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Title: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 20, 2014, 04:02:05 PM
Interested to hear what other people are riding other than Spits or Bones. Did a search and was surprised there wasn't a thread for other wheel manus. There is a great selection of smaller brands... Autobahn, OJ, Broadcast, Paradise, Pusher, SML, PFC, Type S, etc. Definitely interested to hear what people are skating.

Currently on these on these SML Herrington 53 Wides and I love them. They were a little slick for my tastes at first but after a few sessions they're perfect. For anyone that prefers wider wheels they are great:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/SML_herrington_zps8e9c79be.jpg)

Just finished up on OJ Dela 53. Wasn't a big fan of them on first ride, but gave them a revisit and I was pretty psyched:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/DELAwheels1_zps51bc2ab2.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/DELAwheels2_zps8dcd1c42.jpg)

I have these up next, Satori Guru 54:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/satori_guru_zps523a8dcd.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Spitfire4life on October 20, 2014, 05:39:25 PM
Even though I am a Spitfire guy (obviously), I do enjoy trying out other wheels from time to time. I found some Bones SPF 55's for $10 at a sale, so I figured I would try them out. Surprisingly, I had a set of Zero wheels a few years ago, and they were actually somewhat good. Most of the wheels made by board companies are pretty bad, but I liked the Zero wheels more than Bones STF's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2014, 07:03:30 PM
I'm a fan of skater owned and the little guy, but I'll be damned if F4s aren't the shit. I can't skate anything else now, feels like they're all too slow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sleepypancakes on October 20, 2014, 07:34:16 PM
Even though I am a Spitfire guy (obviously), I do enjoy trying out other wheels from time to time. I found some Bones SPF 55's for $10 at a sale, so I figured I would try them out. Surprisingly, I had a set of Zero wheels a few years ago, and they were actually somewhat good. Most of the wheels made by board companies are pretty bad, but I liked the Zero wheels more than Bones STF's.
Zero4Life now?


Anyways, Broadcast are really great wheels if you can get ahold of them, I've had a few sets of 54mms and they have an awesome shape and slide really well without being super terribly hard. Just a great feeling, fast, all around wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on October 20, 2014, 10:03:52 PM
http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/shop/# (http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/shop/#)!/Wheels/c/2470697/offset=0&sort=normal

The Shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on October 20, 2014, 11:47:48 PM
Used to Ride Pusher wheels steady for about a year or so. I have never really liked spits because the flatspotted way too easily, Bones feel too plastic and slick, but I recently got a job with SML and am really stoked to be working with a rad company that has a great feel and quality wheels. I highly suggest giving them a try ( not just because i work for them ).They are just really great wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TehPwnzorer on October 21, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
Last wheels I tried out other than Bones and Spitfires were these Plan B prospec wheels. They look rad, they're rockhard, more plasticy feel than Bones and once again, rockhard. Way harder feel than Bones. Quite good for being wheels made by deckco. Probably my favorite wheels of all time coming from a none wheelco... but the end of the day nothing beats the Spitfire F4.

(http://www.saltypeaks.com/pi/p15419-Wheels_PlanBShecklerProSpec.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Coconut Lotion on October 21, 2014, 03:45:37 AM
I'd ride other wheels if spitfire never made the f4's. Want to try some OJ's for sure though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 4wheels on October 21, 2014, 05:38:34 AM
whats good with canal wheels? i wanna try a set of those or prizefighters next
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lasernaut on October 21, 2014, 06:21:57 AM
I'm skating Type-S right now, and I'm really happy with them. They have a less 'greasy' feel than Bones STF, they keep momentum really well. And they powerslide when you want them to. No flatspots since summer either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Prince Nelson on October 21, 2014, 07:16:35 AM
whats good with canal wheels? i wanna try a set of those or prizefighters next

apparently Canal wheels are 100A and have flat sides, for easy lock-in. I'd try them if I could get them in 54mm.


I have a set of Welcome wheels coming in tomorrow. I haven''t had a set of cored wheels in 8 years, so it should be interesting.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on October 21, 2014, 07:35:51 AM
Used to Ride Pusher wheels steady for about a year or so. I have never really liked spits because the flatspotted way too easily, Bones feel too plastic and slick, but I recently got a job with SML and am really stoked to be working with a rad company that has a great feel and quality wheels. I highly suggest giving them a try ( not just because i work for them ).They are just really great wheels
Hook it up then, I'll take a set of 52's. Haha, J/K.
But seriously, my friends skating those Herrington's right now and they seem like some good wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 21, 2014, 07:58:34 AM
Right now I'm riding formula fours, but I'm keen to try some different brands. I have these OJ Jake Johnson 55s up next. There's a graphic on each side, but I'm kind of digging it.

How wide are those SML wheels, Heritage? I'd like to support SML with either buying those or some Garcias.

I'm also keen to try a set of Prize Fighters and Satori (love what they do with that recycling program).

Anyone tried Paradise wheels?

Thanks Clamy. And those OJ Jake's are sick. When I got the Dela's I had those Jakes in my hand. I went with the Dela bc 55 is a little out of my range, but I love the shape of those. That's a great choice.

The SML are nice and they are definitely slide on command. I don't like wheels to be super slick and unpredictable. They were a little sketchy for me at first but after a few sessions were great. If you are skating a rougher street spot you'll have no problem at all. It's in a smooth park you have to be a little more mindful.

I was wondering about Paradise wheels too. They have some good looking stuff in their lineup.

I posted these pics in the Spits thread, but they'll work here too. A bunch of wheels lined up to see how wide they are against each other:

From L to R: SML Herrington 53, Broadcast Crop Circle 53, Autobahn Torus Shape 53, Autobahn Regular 53, Pusher McDonald 53

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141005_103651_zps1b435df2.jpg)

From L to R: PFC Gore 53.5, Type S 54, OJ 53, Autobahn Sidecut 52, Autobahn ABX 53

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141005_103523_zps962bab06.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lance on October 21, 2014, 08:18:32 AM
Swear by these, same shapes as the old Fast Life Urethane wheels.  8)

(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll245/okcomputer23/black_rainbows_zps9b30cc69.jpg)

sorry the pic is so big
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on October 21, 2014, 09:36:09 AM
Had a set of the Black Rainbows, good shit indeed.
Been hooked on Prize Fighter for a couple years now, dig the F4s but PFCs just feel so damn good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on October 21, 2014, 10:17:05 AM
had a set of Broadcast when they first came out, simply because they had Ethan Fowler on the team.  they were really great wheels.  I ditched 'em after Ethan left the team.

I've had a couple sets of PFCs more recently, and they are also very awesome... would skate them exclusively if I had never tried the F4 conical fulls in 99a. 

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Life Fast Johnny on October 21, 2014, 01:08:55 PM
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Anyone tried Paradise wheels?
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I was wondering about Paradise wheels too. They have some good looking stuff in their lineup.


I rode a couple of sets of Paradise last year in 52mm and 53mm 101A.  They were good wheels that I would describe as something like a slightly harder Spitfire F1 in feeling, but much more durable.  They never chipped on the sides like F1's do, they just shrank and then gradually got tears across the riding surface after a few months.

FWIW, I had a defect in the mold of the bearing seat in a wheel in the second set and their customer service not only shipped me a replacement set super fast, but threw a ton of freebies in the box with them.  If it were not for F4 99's and Autobahns, I would probably ride Paradise all the time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JB on October 21, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
(http://res.cloudinary.com/wwbs/image/upload/w_500,c_fit/v1396563744/41847.jpg)

ive had these on my set up for a long time now (probably because im lazy and dont skate enough), but theyre really good. smooth, pretty fast, slide really nice. maybe a bit too slick for some people, but they dont feel plasticy like bones. i usually skate really shitty ground now, so i like a wheel that slides a bit easier on rough stuff. theyre a small company out of chicago. check them out, id definitely get another set. http://www.reedwheels.com/ (http://www.reedwheels.com/)

ive had the welcome wheels too. theyre alright, but i probably wouldn't get them again. theyre pretty fast. i noticed the speed a lot when i skated transition, they were way faster than the bones i had on my other set up. theyre just too wide for my liking. it wasnt easy for me to get them to slide out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dillanharp on October 21, 2014, 02:12:27 PM
are Portland and Jivaro still around?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Wizard Fight on October 21, 2014, 02:19:03 PM
are Portland and Jivaro still around?

Yes.

http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chillout on October 21, 2014, 04:07:35 PM
(http://res.cloudinary.com/wwbs/image/upload/w_500,c_fit/v1396563744/41847.jpg)

ive had these on my set up for a long time now (probably because im lazy and dont skate enough), but theyre really good. smooth, pretty fast, slide really nice. maybe a bit too slick for some people, but they dont feel plasticy like bones. i usually skate really shitty ground now, so i like a wheel that slides a bit easier on rough stuff. theyre a small company out of chicago. check them out, id definitely get another set. http://www.reedwheels.com/ (http://www.reedwheels.com/)

ive had the welcome wheels too. theyre alright, but i probably wouldn't get them again. theyre pretty fast. i noticed the speed a lot when i skated transition, they were way faster than the bones i had on my other set up. theyre just too wide for my liking. it wasnt easy for me to get them to slide out.

haven't skated anything but reeds in the past couple years. theyre the perfect balance between the og formula spitfires and bones. similar grippy feeling as spitfires but slide like a harder wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on October 23, 2014, 07:32:05 AM
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are Portland and Jivaro still around?
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Yes.

http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com)

www.unheardpdx.com (http://www.unheardpdx.com)

both still around and both still putting out nice shaped wheels. not my cup of tea but good stuff from creative urethane. PI wheels are another smaller wheel co worth checking out. poured by AEND i believe (same manu as autobahn and Type S).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 23, 2014, 10:03:21 AM
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are Portland and Jivaro still around?
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Yes.

http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com)
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www.unheardpdx.com (http://www.unheardpdx.com)

both still around and both still putting out nice shaped wheels. not my cup of tea but good stuff from creative urethane. PI wheels are another smaller wheel co worth checking out. poured by AEND i believe (same manu as autobahn and Type S).

Yep, Pi are poured at Aend, I've had a set of the cored HFL 56.5mm for a while know, park use only. They are exactly that Hard, Fast and Loud; they yellow over time, a bit more grip than SPFs at the cost of a little speed. They don't feel like Type-S.AB at all (I find that type-s/AB are too grippy for me on street.).

I lost my set of Spitfire f4s conical fulls 101a (and the board they were on, bye, bye brand new Indys) and I miss them. Currently riding my 55mm wrecks as the Pis feel too big for street.

Spent too much on indys and f4s to go out and buy a new set so soon - F4s are too good (but I really want to try a set of the STF V5s, love that shape).

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: vegan*shawn on October 23, 2014, 10:15:24 PM
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_50507_AssaultSpeedLabWheels_2.jpg)

Currently riding these on my street set up. I really like that they are wide, they ride smooth and slide good when worn in. They say 101 but they don't feel that hard. This model is 54.5, normally I ride 54 - 56 on street so these are perfect sized. Cool little company they make wheels 53mm - 66mm so something for everyone.

I also like Prize Fighter a lot, Javiro, Welcome wheels as well. Have not been a fan of the new OJ wheels, they feel really sluggish. I have been wanting to try Paradise, should hit up one of the local pros for a set.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Spaced Cadet on October 24, 2014, 12:08:46 AM
I always wanted to try some Teenage Runaway wheels. I thought Bratrud's graphics were sick. I don't know if they were any good though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 24, 2014, 12:17:46 AM
PFC 53.5, i usually ride 54s but decided to put my money where my mouth is!
they live up to the hype
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on October 24, 2014, 01:31:07 AM
I always wanted to try some Teenage Runaway wheels. I thought Bratrud's graphics were sick. I don't know if they were any good though.
they were the worst wheels i have ever had
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 24, 2014, 07:09:49 PM
both still around and both still putting out nice shaped wheels. not my cup of tea but good stuff from creative urethane. PI wheels are another smaller wheel co worth checking out. poured by AEND i believe (same manu as autobahn and Type S).

Are Autobahn still poured at Creative? Someone told me they were having them done somewhere else (or were considering it) due to cost. IMO Autobahn is a seriously underrated wheel and the dudes that run that company are top notch

All that aside, I've wondered how many different places pour skate wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Spaced Cadet on October 24, 2014, 09:01:57 PM
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I always wanted to try some Teenage Runaway wheels. I thought Bratrud's graphics were sick. I don't know if they were any good though.
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they were the worst wheels i have ever had


I kind of had a feeling they might be bad. I guess I dodged a bullet then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deekay on October 27, 2014, 02:01:08 PM
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Right now I'm riding formula fours, but I'm keen to try some different brands. I have these OJ Jake Johnson 55s up next. There's a graphic on each side, but I'm kind of digging it.

How wide are those SML wheels, Heritage? I'd like to support SML with either buying those or some Garcias.

I'm also keen to try a set of Prize Fighters and Satori (love what they do with that recycling program).

Anyone tried Paradise wheels?
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Thanks Clamy. And those OJ Jake's are sick. When I got the Dela's I had those Jakes in my hand. I went with the Dela bc 55 is a little out of my range, but I love the shape of those. That's a great choice.

The SML are nice and they are definitely slide on command. I don't like wheels to be super slick and unpredictable. They were a little sketchy for me at first but after a few sessions were great. If you are skating a rougher street spot you'll have no problem at all. It's in a smooth park you have to be a little more mindful.

I was wondering about Paradise wheels too. They have some good looking stuff in their lineup.

I posted these pics in the Spits thread, but they'll work here too. A bunch of wheels lined up to see how wide they are against each other:

From L to R: SML Herrington 53, Broadcast Crop Circle 53, Autobahn Torus Shape 53, Autobahn Regular 53, Pusher McDonald 53

-pic-

From L to R: PFC Gore 53.5, Type S 54, OJ 53, Autobahn Sidecut 52, Autobahn ABX 53

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141005_103523_zps962bab06.jpg)


How did you like the Type S? Theyre 98A right, do they slide good? I can get a pair at a good price and I might try them out, I got some bones v5 55mm and they feel a little too big for me, thinking about getting the type S in 54mm as theyre thinner and lighter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 27, 2014, 03:54:15 PM
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Right now I'm riding formula fours, but I'm keen to try some different brands. I have these OJ Jake Johnson 55s up next. There's a graphic on each side, but I'm kind of digging it.

How wide are those SML wheels, Heritage? I'd like to support SML with either buying those or some Garcias.

I'm also keen to try a set of Prize Fighters and Satori (love what they do with that recycling program).

Anyone tried Paradise wheels?
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Thanks Clamy. And those OJ Jake's are sick. When I got the Dela's I had those Jakes in my hand. I went with the Dela bc 55 is a little out of my range, but I love the shape of those. That's a great choice.

The SML are nice and they are definitely slide on command. I don't like wheels to be super slick and unpredictable. They were a little sketchy for me at first but after a few sessions were great. If you are skating a rougher street spot you'll have no problem at all. It's in a smooth park you have to be a little more mindful.

I was wondering about Paradise wheels too. They have some good looking stuff in their lineup.

I posted these pics in the Spits thread, but they'll work here too. A bunch of wheels lined up to see how wide they are against each other:

From L to R: SML Herrington 53, Broadcast Crop Circle 53, Autobahn Torus Shape 53, Autobahn Regular 53, Pusher McDonald 53

-pic-

From L to R: PFC Gore 53.5, Type S 54, OJ 53, Autobahn Sidecut 52, Autobahn ABX 53

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141005_103523_zps962bab06.jpg)

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How did you like the Type S? Theyre 98A right, do they slide good? I can get a pair at a good price and I might try them out, I got some bones v5 55mm and they feel a little too big for me, thinking about getting the type S in 54mm as theyre thinner and lighter.

Was riding my 55mm Wrecks after losing my F4 conical fulls, hard to skate them after the F4s so I went back to riding the 55mm/98a Barros wheel (probably around 53/54 now) they slide nice, good grip. Fast (cored wheels always are) too, I'd say they ride harder than 98a, at least they feel like it.

When skating the big local bowl I switch over to my 57mm Pi wheels.

If you are stateside and want to trade, let me know, I really want to try the V5s. I've some Spit F4s (101 and 99a) kicking around I'm not using as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deekay on October 28, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Sweet, thanks! Ah man I would but im in europe, sorry...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: timv on October 28, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
I just got a set of spit F4 Conicals and their shape is nearly identical to the set of STF V5's I have.
Dimensions are really close also.

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I lost my set of Spitfire f4s conical fulls 101a (and the board they were on, bye, bye brand new Indys) and I miss them. Currently riding my 55mm wrecks as the Pis feel too big for street.

Spent too much on indys and f4s to go out and buy a new set so soon - F4s are too good (but I really want to try a set of the STF V5s, love that shape).


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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on October 28, 2014, 12:26:10 PM
given the popularity of Welcome boards, has anybody tried their wheels yet?

also, any opinions on Gold wheels? they have a insane team, a video coming up, yet i never hear anybody talking about them, let alone skate them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2014, 05:44:12 PM
I just got a set of spit F4 Conicals and their shape is nearly identical to the set of STF V5's I have.
Dimensions are really close also.


I lost my set of Spitfire f4s conical fulls 101a (and the board they were on, bye, bye brand new Indys) and I miss them. Currently riding my 55mm wrecks as the Pis feel too big for street.

Spent too much on indys and f4s to go out and buy a new set so soon - F4s are too good (but I really want to try a set of the STF V5s, love that shape).


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Sweet! I'll just pick up a set of 101a Conicals and call it a day!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 28, 2014, 06:34:05 PM
How did you like the Type S? Theyre 98A right, do they slide good? I can get a pair at a good price and I might try them out, I got some bones v5 55mm and they feel a little too big for me, thinking about getting the type S in 54mm as theyre thinner and lighter.

Deekay - I actually really liked the Type S wheels. The set in the picture was what they call the Modified wheel, they are 96A. Really nice shape and super smooth ride. I would definitely recommend the 98 over the 96 if you do a lot of sliding. The 98 are an excellent mix of slide and control. 96 will offer a little more bite. Either way, Type S make an outstanding product. If you have a good deal and price on them - grab them. Highly recommend.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on October 28, 2014, 11:34:45 PM
Riding some SML wide shapes now ( i have never had wide wheels before) they feel really stable, slide great with just a little grip so they are not too slippery and they are D-Gar models so im hyped all around
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deekay on October 29, 2014, 06:10:47 AM
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How did you like the Type S? Theyre 98A right, do they slide good? I can get a pair at a good price and I might try them out, I got some bones v5 55mm and they feel a little too big for me, thinking about getting the type S in 54mm as theyre thinner and lighter.
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Deekay - I actually really liked the Type S wheels. The set in the picture was what they call the Modified wheel, they are 96A. Really nice shape and super smooth ride. I would definitely recommend the 98 over the 96 if you do a lot of sliding. The 98 are an excellent mix of slide and control. 96 will offer a little more bite. Either way, Type S make an outstanding product. If you have a good deal and price on them - grab them. Highly recommend.

Cool, I can get them for about half price of f4's so I'll try a pair out. Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JB on October 29, 2014, 06:40:47 AM
given the popularity of Welcome boards, has anybody tried their wheels yet?

also, any opinions on Gold wheels? they have a insane team, a video coming up, yet i never hear anybody talking about them, let alone skate them.


i have some 56s on a welcome set up. theyre ok, but not really the kind of wheels i prefer. theyre light and fast, but i think theyre too wide for my liking. i have no problem sliding the wheels on my regular set up (reeds), but those welcome wheels are a bitch to slide out. im not much of a tranny skater, but ive skated bowls with the welcome wheels and theyre fast as fuck. way faster than the bones i had at the same time. i could see them being a good choice if you skate a lot of tranny. so theyre good quality i think, just not what works for me with street skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ericw on October 30, 2014, 09:13:10 PM
My friend just started his own wheel company, Survey Wheels. Really good design, fantastic team, and skater owned. Check it out http://www.surveywheels.com/ (http://www.surveywheels.com/)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/r7nd55.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 31, 2014, 04:35:42 AM
Was hoping someone would post about those Survey wheels. They look nice. I saw Meronek (or one of the other Boardr dudes) hyping those.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Prince Nelson on October 31, 2014, 12:25:13 PM
given the popularity of Welcome boards, has anybody tried their wheels yet?

I just started skating a set of the green swirl 54's. They're very lightweight and feel about the same as F4's, except they're a little more grippy. powerslides are no problem. I was worried that they would be super hard and plasticy since they're calling them 104A, but that is not the case at all. I will keep buying them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on November 01, 2014, 07:28:17 AM
This thread is awesome! In Europe there are great wheel brands also! Now i'm corrently riding some Haze wheels (French company http://www.hazewheels.fr/ (http://www.hazewheels.fr/) ) that are 102a... They have a killer team and are pretty good but yesterday i got 2 chunks of them slidding a fucked up ledge... Bummed! :/ Yesterday also i went to the skate shop and got to see some Muckefuck wheels (German i think)... They have loots of different shapes for everybody and all look fucking amazing, gotta try'em next! (http://www.muckefuckskateboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/wheels-titelbild.jpg) http://shop.muckefuckskateboards.com/ (http://shop.muckefuckskateboards.com/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on November 01, 2014, 04:41:36 PM
I just pm'd heritage, but maybe someone else could chime in as well! I found a good deal on autobahn ABX and I'm wondering how they compare the Stf's and f4's? slidey/sticky/fast/whatever?

Edit: curious about the Aero as well if anybody has skated them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 01, 2014, 08:48:25 PM
I just pm'd heritage, but maybe someone else could chime in as well! I found a good deal on autobahn ABX and I'm wondering how they compare the Stf's and f4's? slidey/sticky/fast/whatever?

Edit: curious about the Aero as well if anybody has skated them?

Hey BBK - I am actually a huge fan of Autobahn ABX wheels. For awhile it was the only thing I was riding. I will tell you straight away that they aren't going to slide like the F4 or STF wheels. Not that the ABX are sticky or tacky because they aren't tacky at all, they just offer a little bit more control. The shape of the wheel is thin, but not super thin. I think it's actually the same riding surface as a Spitfire "classic" shape. They are really fast, and again, a perfect all around wheel for parks, skatelite/masonite, or rough city spots. Put it this way, if you buy them in either 53 or 54 and don't like them, I will trade you something else from my stash because I'd skate them at some point, I can assure you. They're a damn nice wheel. EDIT: And I have zero reason to jump on here just to pump up Autobahn.

The Aero wheels I would actually steer you away from. That's one of Autobahn's price point wheels and IMO the urethane isn't as good. I actually think they are way too slippery. Some people like that, I just wasn't into them.

@SKATAN - Nice looking wheels! I'd actually try those Zwijsen or Fleischer wheels if I could get my hands on them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 01, 2014, 10:47:17 PM
This thread is awesome! In Europe there are great wheel brands also! Now i'm corrently riding some Haze wheels (French company http://www.hazewheels.fr/ (http://www.hazewheels.fr/) ) that are 102a... They have a killer team and are pretty good but yesterday i got 2 chunks of them slidding a fucked up ledge... Bummed! :/

THe local here has some Haze wheels- was thinking of trying some out... ive been skating f4's for the last year and really don't see a reason to change.. although i'd give those harrington SML wheels a go
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on November 02, 2014, 01:53:38 AM
Muckefuck is austrian, and they do make damn fine wheels. just send them an email if you are interested, as far as i know they are pretty down to send stuff everywhere.

had the autobahn espinoza 83B wheels, they were alright except i had the same problem as with 83B Bones: they feel too much like plastic wheels to me.

i guess i`ll give welcome wheels a try, i have been thinking about setting up some kind of wider tranny board just to try if its worth it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on November 02, 2014, 08:10:38 AM
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I just pm'd heritage, but maybe someone else could chime in as well! I found a good deal on autobahn ABX and I'm wondering how they compare the Stf's and f4's? slidey/sticky/fast/whatever?

Edit: curious about the Aero as well if anybody has skated them?
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Hey BBK - I am actually a huge fan of Autobahn ABX wheels. For awhile it was the only thing I was riding. I will tell you straight away that they aren't going to slide like the F4 or STF wheels. Not that the ABX are sticky or tacky because they aren't tacky at all, they just offer a little bit more control. The shape of the wheel is thin, but not super thin. I think it's actually the same riding surface as a Spitfire "classic" shape. They are really fast, and again, a perfect all around wheel for parks, skatelite/masonite, or rough city spots. Put it this way, if you buy them in either 53 or 54 and don't like them, I will trade you something else from my stash because I'd skate them at some point, I can assure you. They're a damn nice wheel. EDIT: And I have zero reason to jump on here just to pump up Autobahn.

The Aero wheels I would actually steer you away from. That's one of Autobahn's price point wheels and IMO the urethane isn't as good. I actually think they are way too slippery. Some people like that, I just wasn't into them.

@SKATAN - Nice looking wheels! I'd actually try those Zwijsen or Fleischer wheels if I could get my hands on them.
Thanks for to input, I'm one of those who really like slippery, so I'll probably give both a chance! they only have 50 and 51's and I live in sweden, so trading won't be an option, sorry bro!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drunk guy on November 02, 2014, 08:38:17 AM
Had a set of the Black Rainbows, good shit indeed.
Been hooked on Prize Fighter for a couple years now, dig the F4s but PFCs just feel so damn good.
Was on the black rainbows forever, switched it to prizefighters recently. Im thinking they might be made at the same place, ether way they're both unfuckable with if your into harder urethane in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 02, 2014, 08:42:47 AM
Thanks for to input, I'm one of those who really like slippery, so I'll probably give both a chance! they only have 50 and 51's and I live in sweden, so trading won't be an option, sorry bro!

Sounds good BBK. Definitely interested to hear how they work for you!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Julz on November 02, 2014, 09:01:31 AM
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0421/3117/products/polar-american-dream_compact.jpeg?v=1400163110)

I paid 20$ CDN for a set of these polar wheels, poured at creative. I only skated around 7-8 hrs with them because they're too skinny for my liking but they felt pretty good considering the price.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: wallieD on November 02, 2014, 01:12:01 PM
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I just pm'd heritage, but maybe someone else could chime in as well! I found a good deal on autobahn ABX and I'm wondering how they compare the Stf's and f4's? slidey/sticky/fast/whatever?

Edit: curious about the Aero as well if anybody has skated them?
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Hey BBK - I am actually a huge fan of Autobahn ABX wheels. For awhile it was the only thing I was riding. I will tell you straight away that they aren't going to slide like the F4 or STF wheels. Not that the ABX are sticky or tacky because they aren't tacky at all, they just offer a little bit more control. The shape of the wheel is thin, but not super thin. I think it's actually the same riding surface as a Spitfire "classic" shape. They are really fast, and again, a perfect all around wheel for parks, skatelite/masonite, or rough city spots. Put it this way, if you buy them in either 53 or 54 and don't like them, I will trade you something else from my stash because I'd skate them at some point, I can assure you. They're a damn nice wheel. EDIT: And I have zero reason to jump on here just to pump up Autobahn.

The Aero wheels I would actually steer you away from. That's one of Autobahn's price point wheels and IMO the urethane isn't as good. I actually think they are way too slippery. Some people like that, I just wasn't into them.

@SKATAN - Nice looking wheels! I'd actually try those Zwijsen or Fleischer wheels if I could get my hands on them.
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Thanks for to input, I'm one of those who really like slippery, so I'll probably give both a chance! they only have 50 and 51's and I live in sweden, so trading won't be an option, sorry bro!
i had them a couple years ago, they were good.really light, but they feel like rollerblade wheels..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 05, 2014, 05:10:40 AM
Hell yeah Clamy. That's nice looking wheel haul. Great choices. Be ready to slide on those SML! That wide cut shape is so damn good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dirtyweemidden on November 05, 2014, 06:28:36 AM
Just came off a set of moshdog wheels (theyre a fairly new company from the UK) decent wheels but nothing compares to f4s.. right back on to another set of spittys
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tay on November 06, 2014, 01:39:18 PM
I just pm'd heritage, but maybe someone else could chime in as well! I found a good deal on autobahn ABX and I'm wondering how they compare the Stf's and f4's? slidey/sticky/fast/whatever?

Edit: curious about the Aero as well if anybody has skated them?

I had two sets of the Dual Durometer ABX. Fastest wheel I've ridden, and they never flat spotted even though I weigh a bit. The only draw back (for me anyways) was they're super-duper slippery feeling, and you often end up on your butt without notice. Pictures don't do them justice of how skinny they are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 2thick on November 07, 2014, 01:41:38 PM
Wondering if I should go for Black Rainbows, Type-S, or Prize Fighters... what do you guys think?
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Post by: Randozzi on November 07, 2014, 01:50:39 PM
Prize Fighters.

Or Black Rainbows.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Prince Nelson on November 07, 2014, 07:13:56 PM
Welcome Orbs^^^^^ but PFC's are chill if you only want white wheels

also I flatspotted Black Rainbows in a matter of two weeks last summer. Never again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 07, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
Clamy - which set did you decide to give a ride to first? That's the problem with having all those good wheels to choose from, makes it tougher to decide!

As for PFC's I was actually a little surprised the first time I ever rode them. Watching Leo Valls and Ben Gore skate them (and all those powerslides) I was expecting the wheels to be super slippery, but they give a mix of grip and slide.

Earlier today I picked up a set of Autobahn Torus in their new 83B duro so I am hyped to give them a skate this weekend.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 09, 2014, 03:29:03 PM
Just set up the spitfire conical fulls 52mm 99 - i;ve been riding the spitfire classic shape for ever.. i think i did try some of the flatter bones a few times so its gonna be my first time riding wheels that are wider than the classic shape. skated some flat but will have a full session with em tomorrow.

 so far they feel a bit difference in my skating but nothing too drastic. powerslides are more awesome
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on November 09, 2014, 08:20:09 PM
I've been skating Spitfire Classics for almost 8 years now.  Just bought a set of the F4 Conicals. 

What are the pros to defferent shapes?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 09, 2014, 09:28:20 PM
I've been skating Spitfire Classics for almost 8 years now.  Just bought a set of the F4 Conicals. 

What are the pros to defferent shapes?

you get the conical or conical fulls? the local JUST for F4's after i made a comment on Jim T's instagram- kinda dope they listened and sent a few sets of the F4's in the last two DLX shipments.

But to answer your question - granted like I stated above i skated some flat and curb so the main difference i noticed with the wider riding surface was it felt nicer power sliding.

I'd like to hear yours as well as others feedback from the switch to a classic shaped - i think there already a few on his thread.  Cheers!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Life Fast Johnny on November 10, 2014, 10:20:29 AM
I almost picked these up yesterday at the local shop based on shape alone.  So sick.

(http://images.theboardr.com/productcolorways/1551_1_600.jpg)

But I usually like to run 100A or harder during the winter here.  I still may do it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TehPwnzorer on November 10, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
I've been skating Spitfire Classics for almost 8 years now.  Just bought a set of the F4 Conicals. 

What are the pros to defferent shapes?
Classic shape is classic shape... The conical shape is supposed to give you more of a lock in shape with more grip. Even more with full edition.

I've got classic, conical full and waiting for the regular conicals to arrive. Tbh I don't notice much of a difference. They feel pretty much the same gripping wise. No matter the riding surface, they still slide. Pretty much like Aces still turn no matter how much you tighten them. I've also always liked lock in shapes better. Doesn't effect my skating, just looks more pleasing I guess.

Only noticeable difference is that conical fulls kinda makes the hanger feel less wide than it actually is. That's why I'm waiting for regular conicals atm for my 139s while using the full edt on my 149s (149s too big for me. Those wheels makes em feel like 8.25 trucks)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: wallieD on November 10, 2014, 01:23:10 PM
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I just got a set of spit F4 Conicals and their shape is nearly identical to the set of STF V5's I have.
Dimensions are really close also.

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I lost my set of Spitfire f4s conical fulls 101a (and the board they were on, bye, bye brand new Indys) and I miss them. Currently riding my 55mm wrecks as the Pis feel too big for street.

Spent too much on indys and f4s to go out and buy a new set so soon - F4s are too good (but I really want to try a set of the STF V5s, love that shape).




mini logo just came out with a-cuts in smaller sizes 51 and 53 , it says they're the same shape as v5 and only 20 bucks. i think i might try them next time i need wheels

http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk (http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on November 10, 2014, 05:54:12 PM
I almost picked these up yesterday at the local shop based on shape alone.  So sick.

(http://images.theboardr.com/productcolorways/1551_1_600.jpg)

But I usually like to run 100A or harder during the winter here.  I still may do it.

i usually skate 101 A wheels, im skating the Garcia SML wheels from the same series and they feel harder than any 101 i have skated in the past.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Filip on November 11, 2014, 12:12:37 AM
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I just got a set of spit F4 Conicals and their shape is nearly identical to the set of STF V5's I have.
Dimensions are really close also.

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I lost my set of Spitfire f4s conical fulls 101a (and the board they were on, bye, bye brand new Indys) and I miss them. Currently riding my 55mm wrecks as the Pis feel too big for street.

Spent too much on indys and f4s to go out and buy a new set so soon - F4s are too good (but I really want to try a set of the STF V5s, love that shape).


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mini logo just came out with a-cuts in smaller sizes 51 and 53 , it says they're the same shape as v5 and only 20 bucks. i think i might try them next time i need wheels

http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk (http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk)

Ive seen these Minilogo wheels for mad cheap over here. They have some 101A wheels, are they the same as Bones STFs? Cause that is all I skate, but the Minilogo wheels are 16?, which is like 50% of what the STFs cost over here. I know its all Powell, but do they use the same urethane for all wheels? Or are Minilogos way worse?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the snake on November 11, 2014, 12:27:43 AM
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I just got a set of spit F4 Conicals and their shape is nearly identical to the set of STF V5's I have.
Dimensions are really close also.

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I lost my set of Spitfire f4s conical fulls 101a (and the board they were on, bye, bye brand new Indys) and I miss them. Currently riding my 55mm wrecks as the Pis feel too big for street.

Spent too much on indys and f4s to go out and buy a new set so soon - F4s are too good (but I really want to try a set of the STF V5s, love that shape).


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mini logo just came out with a-cuts in smaller sizes 51 and 53 , it says they're the same shape as v5 and only 20 bucks. i think i might try them next time i need wheels

http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk (http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk)
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Ive seen these Minilogo wheels for mad cheap over here. They have some 101A wheels, are they the same as Bones STFs? Cause that is all I skate, but the Minilogo wheels are 16?, which is like 50% of what the STFs cost over here. I know its all Powell, but do they use the same urethane for all wheels? Or are Minilogos way worse?
minilogos are good but they can flatspot more easily than STF
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Filip on November 11, 2014, 12:34:33 AM
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I just got a set of spit F4 Conicals and their shape is nearly identical to the set of STF V5's I have.
Dimensions are really close also.

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I lost my set of Spitfire f4s conical fulls 101a (and the board they were on, bye, bye brand new Indys) and I miss them. Currently riding my 55mm wrecks as the Pis feel too big for street.

Spent too much on indys and f4s to go out and buy a new set so soon - F4s are too good (but I really want to try a set of the STF V5s, love that shape).


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mini logo just came out with a-cuts in smaller sizes 51 and 53 , it says they're the same shape as v5 and only 20 bucks. i think i might try them next time i need wheels

http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk (http://minilogoskateboards.com/mini-logo-a-cut-wheel-51mm-4pk)
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Ive seen these Minilogo wheels for mad cheap over here. They have some 101A wheels, are they the same as Bones STFs? Cause that is all I skate, but the Minilogo wheels are 16?, which is like 50% of what the STFs cost over here. I know its all Powell, but do they use the same urethane for all wheels? Or are Minilogos way worse?
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minilogos are good but they can flatspot more easily than STF


Thanks man. I can deal with flatspots /especially if the wheels are 16 euros/, but are they the same hardness? Because I love how STFs feel, and I remember other 101A wheels getting softer after some time, or just not being, you know, like STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the snake on November 11, 2014, 11:46:30 AM
it's been years since my last set of minilogos, but i remember them as hard wheels(maybe 100-101a), and they didn't turn yellow so it must be some kind of bones formula....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 23, 2014, 06:58:41 PM
I'm a fan of the Autobahn Torus shape so I gave these new 83B a try. Really nice wheels, smooth and fast, but they feel a little grippier than the 100A version.

Both B rated wheels I've skated (Satori Guru and these) definitely seem to skate a little grippier, which is odd considering they are harder.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141108_194744_zpsde1db20d.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141108_194756_zps87ae2878.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 24, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
I'm a fan of the Autobahn Torus shape so I gave these new 83B a try. Really nice wheels, smooth and fast, but they feel a little grippier than the 100A version.

Both B rated wheels I've skated (Satori Guru and these) definitely seem to skate a little grippier, which is odd considering they are harder.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141108_194744_zpsde1db20d.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141108_194756_zps87ae2878.jpg)

I've skated my fare share of AB wheels and no matter the duro, they are all grippy. Nothing slides like STFs or the king of powerslides, Spit F4s!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on November 24, 2014, 02:28:37 PM
My ABX's seem to slide fine, I'm really feeling them!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 24, 2014, 02:34:25 PM
Nice BBK! Glad you are digging them.

Like I mentioned to you before, the ABX is the wheel that I always find myself going back to. If given the ultimatum to only skate the same wheels, that would be my choice.

I've skated my fare share of AB wheels and no matter the duro, they are all grippy. Nothing slides like STFs or the king of powerslides, Spit F4s!

Have you skated SML wheels? They slide so easily that they actually take some adjusting to. When I first got on them I was sliding out from everything and it was starting to freak me out. After you figure out how to handle them, they are killer. SML wide shape are probably a close second for me to Autobahn wheels. The thing I like best about Autobahn is they are a great mix of slide and a touch of grip for control.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Young Satchel on November 24, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
I'd love to track down a set of Broadcasts in 53/54 but it seems way tougher to do than it should be. Anyone skating them? I've had PFCs for the last two go-rounds and as much as in love these 53.5 gores I'm looking to switch it up a bit next time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 24, 2014, 04:36:48 PM
I'd love to track down a set of Broadcasts in 53/54 but it seems way tougher to do than it should be. Anyone skating them? I've had PFCs for the last two go-rounds and as much as in love these 53.5 gores I'm looking to switch it up a bit next time.

Hey Satch - I have a brand new set of Broadcast Crop Circles 53MM still in the shrink if you are interested.

If you are in the States I would send them your way for $24 shipped. Let me know.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 2thick on November 27, 2014, 08:02:40 PM
Really wanted to try out Gold Wheels and couldn't bring myself to buying 35 dollar pro wheels so I bought their "price points" (actual name) for like 20 something bucks. Interested to see how they are since they have such a stacked team but no one really skates them. I'll keep you guys updated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 42mm on November 28, 2014, 10:21:07 AM
Im on my third set of the 99a Formula 4s and I have no desire to ride any other wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Life Fast Johnny on November 28, 2014, 08:24:41 PM
Im on my third set of the 99a Formula 4s and I have no desire to ride any other wheel.

Truth.  I bought a new complete tonight because I bent an axle on my Thunders and despite all the other options I went with what I know works.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Young Satchel on November 30, 2014, 03:45:18 AM
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I'd love to track down a set of Broadcasts in 53/54 but it seems way tougher to do than it should be. Anyone skating them? I've had PFCs for the last two go-rounds and as much as in love these 53.5 gores I'm looking to switch it up a bit next time.
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Hey Satch - I have a brand new set of Broadcast Crop Circles 53MM still in the shrink if you are interested.

If you are in the States I would send them your way for $24 shipped. Let me know.

Thanks for the offer. I may not be skating much of anything for the next few months from the looks of the weather :-( . I'll let you know if I change my mind. You have too many wheels!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 30, 2014, 02:10:13 PM
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I'd love to track down a set of Broadcasts in 53/54 but it seems way tougher to do than it should be. Anyone skating them? I've had PFCs for the last two go-rounds and as much as in love these 53.5 gores I'm looking to switch it up a bit next time.
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Hey Satch - I have a brand new set of Broadcast Crop Circles 53MM still in the shrink if you are interested.

If you are in the States I would send them your way for $24 shipped. Let me know.
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Thanks for the offer. I may not be skating much of anything for the next few months from the looks of the weather :-( . I'll let you know if I change my mind. You have too many wheels!

No worries Satch! Anytime brother. And you are right, I do have way too many wheels. I've been back to just Autobahn and SML only. Both of those companies make such nice wheels, and super good dudes running both companies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on December 03, 2014, 08:21:03 AM
Oh man, black friday sales got the best of me and now I have even more wheels on the way. I finally pulled the trigger on some PFCs.

I am right there with you Clamy. I went overboard with Autobahn's sale and also grabbed a set of Paradise Wheels - Renaud 53.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Life Fast Johnny on December 13, 2014, 10:29:41 AM
New sml D&D series.  Will have to get a set of these.

(http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/148551820/max_h-300+max_w-300/sml_AHerrington_D_D_53MM_Mockup_Shadow.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on December 16, 2014, 09:08:20 AM
for anyone interested, Prize Fighter has free shipping until x-mass.
http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/shop/ (http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/shop/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Willie on December 16, 2014, 01:16:43 PM
Got a set of these in the mail (55.5mm):
(http://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/11412_65618.jpg)
http://spitfirewheels.com/keepingtheundergroundlit/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/keepingtheundergroundlit/)


I'm a bit bummed that the wheels don't match the specs on the website.


The website says the 55.5s are 32.5 wide - almost identical to the 54 conicals at 32.2mm wide. If they were essentially the same width I figured I'd get the KTULs because the first Millimeter goes rather quickly and I'd rather have a bigger wheel for park duty.


However, the KTUL packaging says "Classic Shape"
Height | width
54   | 33.5
58   | 37

I don't have calipers but eyeballing it with a ruler the KTULs are just under 35mm wide. With the same ruler my OJs (spec'ed at 32 wide) look 32.5. So yeah, I'm bitching about 2mm but with an 8" truck a narrower wheel is noticeable. I really liked the size and conical shape of my OJ "surfers on acid" wheels but they were just a bit too mushy.


I guess the KTULs are a different mold than the regular F4s Classic Shape because those are supposedly 36w at 55mm. I just wish the KTULs were closer to the advertised size. They feel like a bigger, heavier wheel than what I've been riding.

Wish they made the slim conicals one size taller...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on December 16, 2014, 03:46:25 PM
This is where too much OCD can really paralyze a man.

They are good fucking wheels and the contact patch will get wider as the wheel wears down to your preferred 54mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Willie on December 16, 2014, 06:21:42 PM
I know it's silly. I just wish they were not wider than advertised.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 2thick on December 20, 2014, 05:47:40 AM
Anyone have experience with Paradise? Thinking about getting some of Danny Renauds wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on December 20, 2014, 06:11:40 AM
Anyone have experience with Paradise? Thinking about getting some of Danny Renauds wheels.

Yes. They are great wheels. I am riding the Renaud's right now. Listed as 101 but give a really smooth ride and slide when you want.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Chesapeake Bay on December 20, 2014, 06:41:41 AM
My whole life I've skated Spitfire and I thought I'd just keep rolling with those, but I scooped up these Pusher 56mm wheels yesterday & I'm stoked to try them.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/v7f9et.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tracer on December 23, 2014, 05:22:55 PM
On my second set of Wreck 53mm, although I only skate parking garages now they are BY FAR THE BEST WHEELS IVE SKATED. Kind of funny Wreck comes out and they are the most expensive wheels in the shop, noone has ever heard of them so they're never sold out.

Bones mean nothing to me now, they are way too slick, I finally get what you guys are saying. Wrecks are hard as without sliding around like ice

Bow to Chet Thomas
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Young Satchel on December 24, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
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Yes. They are great wheels. I am riding the Renaud's right now. Listed as 101 but give a really smooth ride and slide when you want.

Do you skate a new set of wheels every deck? I can't keep up!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on December 24, 2014, 06:57:09 PM
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Yes. They are great wheels. I am riding the Renaud's right now. Listed as 101 but give a really smooth ride and slide when you want.
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Do you skate a new set of wheels every deck? I can't keep up!

Pretty much. That is my usual pace. I like to set up new wheels every time I set up a new board. Right now the Paradise wheels have my full attention. Perfect mix of grip and slide and a damn nice wheel.

I jumped back on a set on SML the other week and almost broke my neck! Forgot how crazy slick they are. Excellent wheels, just REALLLY slick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on December 31, 2014, 08:29:04 AM
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/image-2_zps50abc764.jpeg (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/image-2_zps50abc764.jpeg)

Finally put these SML 'Succulent' Herrington's on. I won't be able to skate them for a few weeks because of a rolled ankle, but I can tell they'll be slick. Hopefully not as slick as you've described, Heritage.

I asked SML what durometer they are, but they haven't got back to me. Maybe someone can help me (Moe?)? Online they've been labelled 99a and 100a, and the hardness wasn't listed on the packaging. Every other SML wheel seems to be 101a, so I've got no idea.

Clamy - just posted to you in the Set Up thread...those wheels are killer. I'm not quite sure what the duro is either, but they are slicker than any wheel I have in my rotation and they are definitely harder too. You will feel it immediately. You can slide for days with those things. But your first time out rip a few slides so you know how to deal with them.

I find myself keep going back to SML bc I love the way they slide.

EDIT: Judging by that pic, looking at your trucks you put some serious ledge work in.  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 08, 2015, 07:07:07 PM
Good shit Clamy. The Marius wheels look great. The shape is similar to the Dela, just a little more squared.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on January 08, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
he was recently posting some stuff on facebook, think he did a new run of wheels in the past few months.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on January 09, 2015, 08:22:06 AM
Like the Woodshop thread......who makes who? 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sluggers on January 10, 2015, 12:12:12 AM
I got a set of clammy weak soft Spitfires by mail order, seeing if I can solve the problem...I threw that shit right out the window as I was so pissed...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sluggers on January 10, 2015, 12:36:08 AM
Nope, no one cares, fuck that!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on January 10, 2015, 09:11:46 AM
At least drop the dlxsf people an email. they will do you right.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on January 11, 2015, 12:11:54 AM

(http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/148551820/max_h-300+max_w-300/sml_AHerrington_D_D_53MM_Mockup_Shadow.jpg)
Just set up the Herrington D & D series 53mm wide cut today
and heritage to answer your question
the wide cut SML are 100a
and the V cut are 99a

and J...Soy SML wheels are from AEND
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on January 11, 2015, 06:50:57 AM
Found this:

AEND pours:
abec11
neversummer
sector9
3dm/seismic
tunnel
comet
ultra (rollerblade wheels)
alligator/bennett

Labeda pours:
some earthwing wheels
dregs
the new landyachtz
oust wheels
bustin
GFH
o-tangs

Surfone/Skateone
Powell
Bones
Surfone

Creative Urethane
rainskates
some earthwings
gravity
kryptonics
landyachtz
autobahn
lush

Mearthane
Road Rider
OJ
Ricta
Bullet
Crime
madrid

Moska
moska
viking (european wheels)

unknown:
sk8kings
manx/pps
poolking

dunno if it's right...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hufs calve muscles on January 11, 2015, 07:08:25 AM
The last two sets of normal spitfires have been straight doo doo.  Never again.

Bones all day but thats a standard for most of the people I know.

I just wanna buy some OJs for back in the day feels and that hopefully they will make me skate like Jake or Wes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 11, 2015, 07:53:56 AM
Have you guys ever had problems with your bearings seating correctly in wheels?  I had the same issue with my last pair of F4's that I'm now having my a brand new pair of STF's. 

Basically on hard landings it appears that one or both bearings from a wheel will push out from the core 1-2mm causing the wheel to not spin freely.  It seems like axle slip but that's definitely not what's happening as the other wheel isn't effected at all (sometimes they will both tighten up on one truck)

I use spacers and speed rings on all of my wheels.  I don't remember this ever happening until the last couple years now it's almost every session.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: perverted super otaku! on January 11, 2015, 07:58:43 AM
Have you guys ever had problems with your bearings seating correctly in wheels?  I had the same issue with my last pair of F4's that I'm now having my a brand new pair of STF's. 

Basically on hard landings it appears that one or both bearings from a wheel will push out from the core 1-2mm causing the wheel to not spin freely.  It seems like axle slip but that's definitely not what's happening as the other wheel isn't effected at all (sometimes they will both tighten up on one truck)

I use spacers and speed rings on all of my wheels.  I don't remember this ever happening until the last couple years now it's almost every session.

Any ideas?
Spacer might be whats pushing them out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dbvx on January 11, 2015, 08:36:37 AM
Anyone ever ride the oj wheels at 92a. Or keyframes. Looking for something like a cruiser wheel but not too soft
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on January 11, 2015, 09:56:06 AM
Anyone ever ride the oj wheels at 92a. Or keyframes. Looking for something like a cruiser wheel but not too soft

I really like the harder Ricta Clouds. 86a. Really good compromise between a cruiser wheel and regular rock hard skate wheel with a nice shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on January 11, 2015, 09:58:20 AM
Have you guys ever had problems with your bearings seating correctly in wheels?  I had the same issue with my last pair of F4's that I'm now having my a brand new pair of STF's. 

Basically on hard landings it appears that one or both bearings from a wheel will push out from the core 1-2mm causing the wheel to not spin freely.  It seems like axle slip but that's definitely not what's happening as the other wheel isn't effected at all (sometimes they will both tighten up on one truck)

I use spacers and speed rings on all of my wheels.  I don't remember this ever happening until the last couple years now it's almost every session.

Any ideas?

I get this, first session after putting bearings in a wheel. I just assumed it was the bearings settling into position. I usually only have to loosen them once very slightly and they never seem to seize up again. This is with STFs and F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: VCR on January 11, 2015, 10:09:46 AM
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/photo-2_zps033ebf83.jpg)

That shape looks perfect. I think I need to get on some OJ's again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 11, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
Have you guys ever had problems with your bearings seating correctly in wheels?  I had the same issue with my last pair of F4's that I'm now having my a brand new pair of STF's. 

Basically on hard landings it appears that one or both bearings from a wheel will push out from the core 1-2mm causing the wheel to not spin freely.  It seems like axle slip but that's definitely not what's happening as the other wheel isn't effected at all (sometimes they will both tighten up on one truck)

I use spacers and speed rings on all of my wheels.  I don't remember this ever happening until the last couple years now it's almost every session.

Any ideas?
Had this happen with a set of STFs, the V2 shape. I've heard that the bearings popping out happens with that shape a lot actually. I got tired of it happening so I gave them away to a friend. He never complained about it though, must've not noticed it or he just didn't care.
I've never had that happen on a set of F4s yet though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 11, 2015, 06:52:35 PM
Have you guys ever had problems with your bearings seating correctly in wheels?

Any ideas?

I know exactly what you are talking about Steve. I find it more in non-cored wheels. I can always count on Autobahn and SML having the strongest bearing seat and I rarely if ever have a problem.

This has always worked for me - put an additional washer on the inside of the wheel. After you've pushed in the first bearing and you flip the wheel to do the other side, put the bearing down as normal, then the spacer, then lay a washer on top of the spacer. Push it all together.

You can still use the normal washer on the outside of the wheel as normal. If that doesn't make sense, PM me and I'll send you a pic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 11, 2015, 07:22:10 PM
Thanks for the tip man!  I'll give that a shot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Stibbons on January 12, 2015, 12:19:51 PM
Anyone ever ride the oj wheels at 92a. Or keyframes. Looking for something like a cruiser wheel but not too soft

I've got a set of keyframes that I'm pretty into. They are pretty hard to slide, though, and they come sort of pre-coned. Still a good ride. You might want to check out their Ditch Witches (92a).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 12, 2015, 03:35:35 PM
I think I'm going to try out the Austyn 52mm skinny Sml. wheels.

Just have to figure out what to do with 3 sets of nearly new STF and F4's that I have first haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 12, 2015, 06:26:29 PM
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(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/photo-2_zps033ebf83.jpg)
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That shape looks perfect. I think I need to get on some OJ's again.

Yeah, I've been eyeing those and these, love the sidecut shape and they are a few hairs thinner on riding surface:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_42745_OjDelatorreDirts53Wheels_2.jpg)

Thing is my last set of OJs (strubings) felt a little 'dead', still hard, they slid, they weren't slow but compared to Bones/Spits/Ricta they felt a bit sluggish.

Looking at the Ricta NRGs as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ant on January 13, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
What are those OJs?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Stoeipoes on January 14, 2015, 04:28:12 AM
Set up these a few days ago. They ride really good but didn't really test em yet because of the weather.

(http://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productcolorwayimages/7869.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Willie on January 14, 2015, 05:56:38 AM

Thing is my last set of OJs (strubings) felt a little 'dead', still hard, they slid, they weren't slow but compared to Bones/Spits/Ricta they felt a bit sluggish.

That's how I felt about my 99 OJs. I loved the shape, the rebound was just how I like but they always felt a bit sluggish. Like maybe they did not carry speed as well as some other wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 14, 2015, 11:40:36 AM
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Thing is my last set of OJs (strubings) felt a little 'dead', still hard, they slid, they weren't slow but compared to Bones/Spits/Ricta they felt a bit sluggish.
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That's how I felt about my 99 OJs. I loved the shape, the rebound was just how I like but they always felt a bit sluggish. Like maybe they did not carry speed as well as some other wheels.

My Strubings were 101a, I dumped them at a park =D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: filmthis on January 14, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
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Thing is my last set of OJs (strubings) felt a little 'dead', still hard, they slid, they weren't slow but compared to Bones/Spits/Ricta they felt a bit sluggish.
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That's how I felt about my 99 OJs. I loved the shape, the rebound was just how I like but they always felt a bit sluggish. Like maybe they did not carry speed as well as some other wheels.
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My Strubings were 101a, I dumped them at a park =D
with the lego guys @ balboa park? if so, those wheels provided hella stoke for the month or two that i rode them for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on January 17, 2015, 10:47:42 AM
SML wheels are great. Wheels are on par with F4 Spitfire's.

Riding a Youness one now, going to set-up these Suciu ones after.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/30vzrzq.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Spaced Cadet on January 19, 2015, 02:52:34 AM
I got a set of OJ's I'm going to set up next but has anyone tried pig wheels lately. I can't imagine they are that great but you never know.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 19, 2015, 05:52:03 AM
I got a set of OJ's I'm going to set up next but has anyone tried pig wheels lately. I can't imagine they are that great but you never know.
Every set of pigs I've had felt really good. Not the most durable wheel, but they feel damn good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Spaced Cadet on January 19, 2015, 05:13:41 PM
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I got a set of OJ's I'm going to set up next but has anyone tried pig wheels lately. I can't imagine they are that great but you never know.
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Every set of pigs I've had felt really good. Not the most durable wheel, but they feel damn good.

May have to give them a shot next then. Someone told me they liked these speedline wheels below. I have no clue as to what is different about the speedlines from the rest of their wheels though.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ip5sceU6sPI/VAO_UlBoe5I/AAAAAAAAAMg/cxL0xnSRXjQ/s1600/Pigswineflu%2BGB.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ferraveemo on January 21, 2015, 06:18:48 AM
(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/images/thumb/phpThumb.php?src=/product_images/18022.jpg&h=600&w=600&dpi=72&q=80)

I've had these for a month now. Even though i asked someone on the set-up thread about how they are and got a bad reviews like flat spotting real quick. I didn't seem to come across that issue yet but i did however noticed that they're kind of wearing out really quickly. I also notice that when i took them off my trucks to swap the bearings out, one of the wheels seems to have a loose core that the bearing just drops right off from it. idk if that's a defect but hopefully it won't actually bring any issue when it's actually on the trucks altogether.

I really like them though. Really smooth transitioning on the curb for slappy's and wallies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 22, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
Words cannot express how much I love Tired.  Wheels and bearings for $25. 

"The new Tired™ wheel set is now available for sale! Wheels come with bearings for all the Tired™ people out there who hate that whole "Put the bearings in the wheels yourself" process. Bearing guaranteed not too fast! "

http://shop.bigtimedistribution.com/collections/tired/products/tired-wheelset-52mm-and-54mm (http://shop.bigtimedistribution.com/collections/tired/products/tired-wheelset-52mm-and-54mm)

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0039/8272/products/Tired_Wheelset_2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1421191881)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 22, 2015, 10:22:50 PM
^^^
Hah! That's actually pretty neat. I would definitely fuck with those if I found them at a shop down here.
I had some skate mental wheels a few years back (the ones with the corona graphic that came with six wheels instead of four) and I really liked the way they felt. I'm assuming the tired wheels would be the same since they're under the same distro as skate mental.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 2thick on January 23, 2015, 09:11:08 AM
^^^
Hah! That's actually pretty neat. I would definitely fuck with those if I found them at a shop down here.
I had some skate mental wheels a few years back (the ones with the corona graphic that came with six wheels instead of four) and I really liked the way they felt. I'm assuming the tired wheels would be the same since they're under the same distro as skate mental.
I had the some ones. Loved em
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2015, 05:21:24 PM
Picked up a set of the Ricta NRG 53 Sandovals + Indy Black bearings.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qNiFkYOM9W8/VMLvdldnNWI/AAAAAAAAXNQ/XcXmPIxBwr0/s800/IMG_20150123_145609.jpg)

Bearings appear and feel to be of high quality, black casing, red inner (one bearing comes with a shield off so you can see the labyrinth/grit blocking cage; when you take them out there is a shield with little instructions where you just removed the bearing telling you to pop it in.

- Bearings are super quiet and smooth time will tell how they hold up

- Wheels come 'stone ground' like Pi Wheels do, what that means is that the riding surface has no tread (yay) and they are not smooth, they have a coarse texture to them so on first skate they felt already broken in.

- They're hard (duh) but not teeth rattling like chrome cores (my driveway isn't the best for sliding and I'm sick so did't put them through any real terrain yet)

- They're light (like most rictas that aren't the optix which felt more like OJs in weight and ride), yes weight doesn't matter but these really feel light in your hand, my last set of speed rings felt the same way as if they aren't as dense somehow.

- They slide and chirp great - feel like Rictas, they don't feel like STFs or F4s.

- Shape-wise they resemble the Autobahn classic shape, not too thin, not too wide, like a slightly narrower STF V2





Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 24, 2015, 07:59:00 AM
I've been thinking about picking up a set of the Westgate NRG wheels.  They have a super slim profile which I did.  Even thinner than STF V3
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 24, 2015, 08:38:39 AM
Xen - interested to hear how those Ricta work for you. Also be interested to see the shape profile. It's been years since I've skated a set. I know a lot of dudes swear by them, but they were too hard for me. Rattled my teeth out of my head!  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2015, 10:54:22 AM
Xen - interested to hear how those Ricta work for you. Also be interested to see the shape profile. It's been years since I've skated a set. I know a lot of dudes swear by them, but they were too hard for me. Rattled my teeth out of my head!  ;D

52mm 101a f4 classic - 53mm 99a f4 classic - 53mm 101a ricta

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eyJcRsONhn0/VMPoOJxOLdI/AAAAAAAAXQo/CmnUGYD3hPw/s800/IMG_20150124_104139.jpg)

They're definitely a hard wheel @81b that puts them at what, 101a? I loved my chrome cores but had bad luck with my speedrings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 24, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
Wow, those wheels are white as fuck, hah.
Only set of rictas I've ever had lasted me for ages. I think they were just the naturals. I liked them a lot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2015, 12:59:51 PM
Wow, those wheels are white as fuck, hah.
Only set of rictas I've ever had lasted me for ages. I think they were just the naturals. I liked them a lot.

My last set of Rictas stayed bright white forever, even after skating dirtyass ditches.

They've a bad rap for flatspotting with previous pours and they don't market themselves like Spit or Bones; I've always liked the way the feel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 25, 2015, 06:16:58 AM
^^^
Yeah I remember the set I had took forever to turn yellow. They finally started to yellow a few months down the road.
And I never flatspotted mine, but then again I've never been big on powerslides. I do however like to do reverts on a decent number of tricks that I do, especially tricks that involve some type of rotation, and I've flat spotted quite a few sets of wheels doing so in the past, but the rictas were good til the end, so that's kinda saying something about their quality I guess. They eventually just got too small to skate for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: VCR on January 25, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
Words cannot express how much I love Tired.  Wheels and bearings for $25. 

"The new Tired� wheel set is now available for sale! Wheels come with bearings for all the Tired� people out there who hate that whole "Put the bearings in the wheels yourself" process. Bearing guaranteed not too fast! "

http://shop.bigtimedistribution.com/collections/tired/products/tired-wheelset-52mm-and-54mm (http://shop.bigtimedistribution.com/collections/tired/products/tired-wheelset-52mm-and-54mm)

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0039/8272/products/Tired_Wheelset_2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1421191881)

Those bearings look like straight dookie
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 27, 2015, 06:03:02 PM
I've been switching wheels around a lot lately but nothing has been faster or slid better than Autobahn's Ultra Formula.  The cores are rock hard and rough on bad pavement but it's worth it

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20150127_175805_zpsbhmvfpoe.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20150127_175805_zpsbhmvfpoe.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 27, 2015, 06:51:05 PM
Hell yeah Steve! Glad to hear they are working out for you. Autobahn is consistently good across their catalog.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: oldgoodburger on February 10, 2015, 08:35:43 PM
i used to love autobahn but then got sucked into the whole stf and now f4's... i really want spitfire to make a lock-in shape f4. i would consider those autobahn ultras though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mariomister on February 12, 2015, 05:49:21 AM
http://tastewheels.bigcartel.com/product/sunday-combo (http://tastewheels.bigcartel.com/product/sunday-combo)
riding this
Wide shape/conical
perfect
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fur lined sea on April 05, 2015, 05:30:18 AM
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/IMG_4219_zpss5yv6gbh.jpg)

First set of Satoris.

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Thing is my last set of OJs (strubings) felt a little 'dead', still hard, they slid, they weren't slow but compared to Bones/Spits/Ricta they felt a bit sluggish.
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That's how I felt about my 99 OJs. I loved the shape, the rebound was just how I like but they always felt a bit sluggish. Like maybe they did not carry speed as well as some other wheels.
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My Strubings were 101a, I dumped them at a park =D
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with the lego guys @ balboa park? if so, those wheels provided hella stoke for the month or two that i rode them for.

I just gave away my OJs for the same reason.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on April 05, 2015, 08:04:35 AM
Good looks Clamy. Interested to hear how they work out for you. I had the Guru Khalsa in 54 and a little bit wider shape, but same 80B duro. Love the slim profile of those Montoya.

And I was just saying to Xen - I was skating a brand new set of SML Herrington Wides and totally slid out and ate shit. I love SML wheels, but damn if they don't make me nervous at times bc they are so slick. I went back to a set of Autobahn.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on April 05, 2015, 06:52:26 PM
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_22923_Pi_wheel_58.5mm_FLG.jpg)

Been riding these Pi wheels the past couple of months. Might not come small enough for some of you. Holding up really well. Super durable, no flat spots, great shape, cored (if you like that sort of thing). If you're a park shark I'd recommend them but they are not so hot on the streets.

I prefer them to SPFs (much better all-round wheels than Bones) but don't like them as much as Spitfire F4s. I have to kill these PIs off before I'm back on the Spitfires but they are refusing to die quickly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on April 05, 2015, 07:24:04 PM
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_22923_Pi_wheel_58.5mm_FLG.jpg)

Been riding these Pi wheels the past couple of months. Might not come small enough for some of you. Holding up really well. Super durable, no flat spots, great shape, cored (if you like that sort of thing). If you're a park shark I'd recommend them but they are not so hot on the streets.

I prefer them to SPFs (much better all-round wheels than Bones) but don't like them as much as Spitfire F4s. I have to kill these PIs off before I'm back on the Spitfires but they are refusing to die quickly.
I have some 59.5mm I got from his black friday special.  I can't wait to skate those next.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2015, 09:25:04 AM
Pi wheels are awesome! I still run my 56.5s from time to time. A bit slower than STFs but with more grip at speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: franquietits on April 06, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Holy shit!
Satori Nug core technology - "We are proud to announce that some of our wheels come with an extra treat in the cores. All you’ve gotta do is power slide your way to happiness. Currently only available in Colorado, Washington, Alaska and Oregon."
(http://satoriwheels.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/pu.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: louie_bk on April 06, 2015, 02:12:21 PM
Holy shit!
Satori Nug core technology - "We are proud to announce that some of our wheels come with an extra treat in the cores. All you�ve gotta do is power slide your way to happiness. Currently only available in Colorado, Washington, Alaska and Oregon."
(http://satoriwheels.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/pu.jpg)
April Fools
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2015, 05:36:18 PM
Yep 80b would be around 100a.

That said, the AB thane seems softer and grippier to me. I just came off a set and while they were hard and chirped well, they felt slow (52mm) and didn't keep speed all that well; the 83b felt better than the the 99a and dual duros I've skated in the past.

I like to slide, I powerslide all the time at speed since forever so I'm used to handling it so wheels like SML/F4 101s or STFs are right up my alley as want them to slide to the point of breaking loose.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 23, 2015, 05:57:24 AM
Picked up some Ricta wheels with their new NRG formula.  These are the 52mm Westgates.  Super slim / tablet style shape.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20150422_202921_zpspa9odgec.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20150422_202921_zpspa9odgec.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on April 23, 2015, 06:00:35 AM
what's the deal with Wayward Wheels?  Are they ever going to be available anywhere?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 23, 2015, 07:08:53 AM
what's the deal with Wayward Wheels?  Are they ever going to be available anywhere?

they're around kind of, i've seen them online but have yet to see them in a shop
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2015, 10:28:33 AM
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what's the deal with Wayward Wheels?  Are they ever going to be available anywhere?
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they're around kind of, i've seen them online but have yet to see them in a shop

Sheesh, their packaging is very reminiscent of the old AB style.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: posguy on April 23, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
I've thought about trying Autobahn wheels but everytime I get new wheels I end up with Bones. Sooner or later I'll get some I guess.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on April 23, 2015, 02:14:59 PM
Took a break from Autobahn and been really into Paradise Wheels lately. Grabbed 2 more sets today:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20150423_170042_zpss9nfw9wv.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20150423_170100_zpsneovja3e.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 23, 2015, 02:35:44 PM
Took a break from Autobahn and been really into Paradise Wheels lately. Grabbed 2 more sets today:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20150423_170042_zpss9nfw9wv.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20150423_170100_zpsneovja3e.jpg)

Oh shit... I forgot to talk about my Jimmy Lannon ones! Somebody asked me here how they were and i didnt write it back!

(http://www.skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/1_61768.jpg)
Fast review... I cant really say they are groundbreaking. I havent felt that way with any wheel tho, but i can surelly feel when they suck and these dont.
I mostly skate street and they are treating me well, no chunks or flatspots (unlike my past haze wheels)! They are fast, slide good and are grippy enough when i want. Solid wheels for sure, would buy again!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boomhauer on April 23, 2015, 02:59:29 PM
Picked up some Ricta wheels with their new NRG formula.  These are the 52mm Westgates.  Super slim / tablet style shape.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20150422_202921_zpspa9odgec.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20150422_202921_zpspa9odgec.jpg.html)

How're these?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dillanharp on April 23, 2015, 03:06:10 PM
what's the deal with Wayward Wheels?  Are they ever going to be available anywhere?

Atlas had some like a month ago, don't know if they still do.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 23, 2015, 03:51:22 PM
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Picked up some Ricta wheels with their new NRG formula.  These are the 52mm Westgates.  Super slim / tablet style shape.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20150422_202921_zpspa9odgec.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20150422_202921_zpspa9odgec.jpg.html)
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How're these?

I won't have a chance to skate them until tomorrow but Xen has the 53mm Sandoval NRG's and he said they're great
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SHARPSHOOTER on April 23, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
I assumed everyone just rode Bones STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on April 23, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
(http://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-big-head-sticker-p1952-9862_zoom.jpg)
                                                  buying anything else is just stupid
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 23, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
(http://www.eternalsnow.com/media/catalog/category/spitfire-banner.jpg)
                                                                  buying anything else is just stupid

i kinda wanna try some wayward wheels but i kinda been on the f4s the last year and a half and really dont see a need to change them! each set lasts me 2-3 months at least.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on April 24, 2015, 03:25:08 AM
@Skatan - Good looks on the Lannon Paradise. @Steve - Interested to hear how those Ricta skate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ontheswarm on April 26, 2015, 03:27:13 PM
Got a set of gold wheels from a buddy and the first day I landed a trick with a little pivot and instantly got a flat spot. I figured no big deal Ill skate it away. Two days go by and I land sideways and slip out and I got a flat spot so bad I had to take them off. Never getting anything but spitfire again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imgne on April 26, 2015, 08:08:30 PM
Got given a set of Satori wheels back in the day from a mate, they were Shuriken's wheel, super small (49mm?) but fuck me they were amazing for such a small wheel, would love to see them to a conical wheel in like a 53mm, would convert if they exist?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 360 frip on April 27, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
Got a set of gold wheels from a buddy and the first day I landed a trick with a little pivot and instantly got a flat spot. I figured no big deal Ill skate it away. Two days go by and I land sideways and slip out and I got a flat spot so bad I had to take them off. Never getting anything but spitfire again.

Years back I had this problem with a set of Gold (I used to skate them all the time). Something was fishy about them tho. Totally different compound to any other gold I had.1/2 suspected they were knock offs!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 27, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
I spent the weekend skating the Ricta NRG's and I'm pretty damn impressed.  The most noticeable thing is how well they hold speed.  I had the Ricta's on one setup, sml's on the other (both with the same bearings) and the Ricta's were night and day faster. 

They're also really smooth.  Comparable to the 99a F4's.  Xen noted that his were a bit grippy on slides but I didn't have any issues sliding mine.  I accidentally slid out on a bank for the first time in a while.  Mine are the skinnier version though so I'm guessing they would slide easier than a wide wheel

I don't have a single complaint about the wheels so far.  The shape is really nice too.  It's the first tablet style slim wheel that I've found.  They lock into grinds really well thanks to the shape. 

Here is a pic I sent Xen of the wheels next to my sml slims.  Both are 52mm and the Ricta's are actually skinnier but look wider due to the profile

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/20150423_201534_zpshp4v71se.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/20150423_201534_zpshp4v71se.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dillanharp on April 27, 2015, 09:53:56 AM
(http://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-big-head-sticker-p1952-9862_zoom.jpg)
                                                  buying anything else is just stupid
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on April 27, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
I spent the weekend skating the Ricta NRG's and I'm pretty damn impressed.  The most noticeable thing is how well they hold speed.  I had the Ricta's on one setup, sml's on the other (both with the same bearings) and the Ricta's were night and day faster. 

Steve - I really like the profile on those Ricta. How are they on rough streets? Are they hard to the point of rattling your teeth out? I would definitely be down to give them a try at some point. They look good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 27, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
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I spent the weekend skating the Ricta NRG's and I'm pretty damn impressed.  The most noticeable thing is how well they hold speed.  I had the Ricta's on one setup, sml's on the other (both with the same bearings) and the Ricta's were night and day faster. 
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Steve - I really like the profile on those Ricta. How are they on rough streets? Are they hard to the point of rattling your teeth out? I would definitely be down to give them a try at some point. They look good.

Unfortunately I skated parks all weekend.  They are a MUCH smoother ride than the sml's but that's to be expected since the sml's are cored.  They are smoother than STF's as well. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
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I spent the weekend skating the Ricta NRG's and I'm pretty damn impressed.  The most noticeable thing is how well they hold speed.  I had the Ricta's on one setup, sml's on the other (both with the same bearings) and the Ricta's were night and day faster. 
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Steve - I really like the profile on those Ricta. How are they on rough streets? Are they hard to the point of rattling your teeth out? I would definitely be down to give them a try at some point. They look good.

We've chatted about this ;)

They are hard, keep in mind they are 81b, not 83b so not any harder than a regular 101a but also a bit grippier than F4s or STFs; they felt like ABs/smls but that could be due to width as well; last I knew they were poured at mearthane along with the rest of the NHS stuff.

I found them to be extremely smooth and as Ricta (and Steve) claim, very, very fast (I think I brought that up before), so much so that in a park setting everything else felt slow (especially those ABs) I even swapped bearings to make sure that wasn't the speed variable; on regular streets and sidewalks they felt great. They are certainly not as hard as the chrome cores (which I loved).

I can send a set of 53s your way if you are interested, let me know!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on April 27, 2015, 01:09:55 PM
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I spent the weekend skating the Ricta NRG's and I'm pretty damn impressed.  The most noticeable thing is how well they hold speed.  I had the Ricta's on one setup, sml's on the other (both with the same bearings) and the Ricta's were night and day faster. 
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Steve - I really like the profile on those Ricta. How are they on rough streets? Are they hard to the point of rattling your teeth out? I would definitely be down to give them a try at some point. They look good.
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We've chatted about this ;)

They are hard, keep in mind they are 81b, not 83b so not any harder than a regular 101a but also a bit grippier than F4s or STFs; they felt like ABs/smls but that could be due to width as well; last I knew they were poured at mearthane along with the rest of the NHS stuff.

I found them to be extremely smooth and as Ricta (and Steve) claim, very, very fast (I think I brought that up before), so much so that in a park setting everything else felt slow (especially those ABs) I even swapped bearings to make sure that wasn't the speed variable; on regular streets and sidewalks they felt great. They are certainly not as hard as the chrome cores (which I loved).

I can send a set of 53s your way if you are interested, let me know!

Definitely did. I had a brain cramp. I didn't realize they were the same NRG you were skating. Now it makes sense. I would definitely be down to try them, but would trade you something for sure.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TehPwnzorer on April 27, 2015, 03:17:00 PM
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I spent the weekend skating the Ricta NRG's and I'm pretty damn impressed.  The most noticeable thing is how well they hold speed.  I had the Ricta's on one setup, sml's on the other (both with the same bearings) and the Ricta's were night and day faster. 
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Steve - I really like the profile on those Ricta. How are they on rough streets? Are they hard to the point of rattling your teeth out? I would definitely be down to give them a try at some point. They look good.
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We've chatted about this ;)

They are hard, keep in mind they are 81b, not 83b so not any harder than a regular 101a but also a bit grippier than F4s or STFs; they felt like ABs/smls but that could be due to width as well; last I knew they were poured at mearthane along with the rest of the NHS stuff.

I found them to be extremely smooth and as Ricta (and Steve) claim, very, very fast (I think I brought that up before), so much so that in a park setting everything else felt slow (especially those ABs) I even swapped bearings to make sure that wasn't the speed variable; on regular streets and sidewalks they felt great. They are certainly not as hard as the chrome cores (which I loved).

I can send a set of 53s your way if you are interested, let me know!
Faster than Spitfire F4 101a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: TehPwnzorer  link=topic=82118.msg2320619#msg2320619 date=1430173020
Faster than Spitfire F4 101a?

I'd say so, it's especially noticeable in a smooth park setting.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on April 30, 2015, 07:23:53 AM
^^^They look great, I dig Broadcast stuff. By no means am I weight whore, but the Crop Circles (53) were a little heavy for my tastes because of how wide they are. The Shier's Choice (52) were really good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on June 05, 2015, 01:56:46 PM
Reupped on Autobahn Appleyard wheels this afternoon.  ;D

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20150605_164210_zpsas0qd7zk.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: deadhead on June 05, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
I know there was a thread about dying wheels but has anyone ever bleached a coloured wheel to white or whitish?

 Picked up a set of light mint coloured wheels but I prefer just solid white. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on June 16, 2015, 06:39:25 AM
^^^That entire new Broadcast line looks great. I love the variety of shapes they used. The Zach Lyons wheel looks really good for anyone that likes wides.

I would be down to give Broadcast another look, they sponsor some really good dudes, but the 53. Crop Circles scared me off a little bit. I am no weight whore but for a 53m wheel they were noticeably heavier and bulkier than everything else I skate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on June 16, 2015, 07:27:22 AM
I destroyed my Scumco clay wheels I had on my cruiser :-[
Totally my fault though, ripping down some barely paved streets.

These were 57mm 86a with square edges. I replaced them with some 56mm 92a spitfire soft d's. Little harder and rounder, so hopefully they'll last longer

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c56b2Ym18o0/VYAv3jYJzZI/AAAAAAAAGsw/tctDp98BVJw/s912/FullSizeRender.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on June 17, 2015, 06:27:09 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4JFl0HEXUGo/VYFuLuL0C3I/AAAAAAAAGt4/TZ4OtJHv8aI/s640/IMG_1207.JPG)

Picture of the soft d's

I like these so far. More control doing tricks, but still soft enough to roll over the bullshit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tanginacat on June 17, 2015, 09:05:26 PM
Anyone tried the Spits Luan conical? I need opinions fore' i buy thankssss
How slidy it is? compared to 101's spits and ricta nrg (81b)
and the feel of the wheels
how it does on grinds/ledges and stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 17, 2015, 11:51:26 PM
Anyone tried the Spits Luan conical? I need opinions fore' i buy thankssss
How slidy it is? compared to 101's spits and ricta nrg (81b)
and the feel of the wheels
how it does on grinds/ledges and stuff

there 99a duro. i skated the conical wides and personally prefer the classic shape f4s. my friend who always skated classics has em and isn't too into em. we primarily skate street ; ledges and flat.  conicals are supposed to lock in better into ledges/coping from what i've read on here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mariomister on June 18, 2015, 05:21:18 AM
www.tastewheels.com (http://www.tastewheels.com)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fur lined sea on June 22, 2015, 02:14:22 AM
^^^That entire new Broadcast line looks great. I love the variety of shapes they used. The Zach Lyons wheel looks really good for anyone that likes wides.

I would be down to give Broadcast another look, they sponsor some really good dudes, but the 53. Crop Circles scared me off a little bit. I am no weight whore but for a 53m wheel they were noticeably heavier and bulkier than everything else I skate.

Thanks for the heads up, Heritage. If I do pick up a set, I might size down and grab the Coakley 52s.

I sold the Satoris to a friend. They were really good quality, probably a bit too grippy. I would get them again, as they seem like they'd last a long time.

First set of Prize Fighters.

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/IMG_5623_zpsmjroplbt.jpg)

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/IMG_5626_zpsnyyaam9j.jpg)

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/IMG_5627_zpsv9tmwlql.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on June 22, 2015, 06:41:09 AM
Nice, think you'll dig them.
New PFC stuff come out next month?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 2thick on June 26, 2015, 01:10:10 PM
http://m.socialskateboarding.com/p/oj-iii-gall-getoz-56mm-101a?gclid=CjwKEAjw8LOsBRDdub-swPW8riISJAAnmS01Ypq7dgfjvUi49iBLuUFrVNPrqBfPlwT_a_-j1raH4xoCKuTw_wcB (http://m.socialskateboarding.com/p/oj-iii-gall-getoz-56mm-101a?gclid=CjwKEAjw8LOsBRDdub-swPW8riISJAAnmS01Ypq7dgfjvUi49iBLuUFrVNPrqBfPlwT_a_-j1raH4xoCKuTw_wcB)
just got these Fred Gall oj's yesterday, 56mm is a pretty noticeable step up for me but im tired of taking the train to the city and having my feet go numb. Hopefully they treat me well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JB on June 27, 2015, 09:07:43 AM
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/9c5ca54c55e778ab496a316cf0bd153c/tumblr_nqlzl1I6Ej1txs0vvo1_540.jpg)

shout out to spitfire for these great 80hds. this somehow happened when i messed up a kickflip on flat.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 21, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.

(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_50655_RictaProNRGSandoval_1LG.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qLuCo1K2YKg/Va55N9gOvXI/AAAAAAAAbMI/5N5uYg0ObF0/s800-Ic42/IMAG0071.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 21, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Reupped on Autobahn Appleyard wheels this afternoon.  ;D

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20150605_164210_zpsas0qd7zk.jpg)

How do those skate? I've considered dual durowheels but I don't think I've heard much about them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldManSkate on July 23, 2015, 01:24:45 PM
I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.
Man, I might have to try those Rictas next. How are you liking that Blood Wizard?@
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 28, 2015, 09:11:25 AM
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I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.
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Man, I might have to try those Rictas next. How are you liking that Blood Wizard?@

Bloodwizard decks are amazing. They have made all other decks feel boaty and heavy in comparison: they are thinner and lighter than anything I've ridden (even P2s) regardless of size great concave and super crispy; I don't know how they do it or why others haven't. The only downside is they make all their decks short, nothing 32" in length and wheelbases around 14.3ish. My BW is 8.37 (skates like an 8.25), was riding an 8.38 baker (skates like an 8.5) to shake things up and it just felt like a plank/boat (totally skate able just a noticeable/different feeling). I've got an 8.125" on hand I can't ride has it feels like a 7.xxx" so skinny.

Every time I switch it out, I end up going back to it (and it's pretty much done) - guess that is telling me something ;) As of today I am forcing my self to ride fat 8.25" so BW are out as there's is 31.5 long or something, so stubby...

I picked up a set of STF V5s (53 neon Raybourns) as I really like the shape and wanted to try them out. Shape is great and they felt very different than the V5s I have on hand and better than STFs I have ridden before, slide and chirp were great, fast too...but I flatspotted them! Didn't noticed until a few days after when I hit a park, I tried skating it out and doing the flatspot trick, no dice, it's still there. Hopefully Bones hooks me up, for not it's back to the Ricta setup (and maybe .sml depending on the setup).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on July 29, 2015, 06:44:03 AM
Been skating slippery parks lately so I wanted to try out a wider wheel with a bit more grip so I'm giving the conical 99a's a shot.  Buddy at the park had them and they looked rad so I picked up a set

Compared to the super skinny wheels that i normally ride, these look like baked potatoes

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/IMG_20150728_203643_zpsfuckqage.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/IMG_20150728_203643_zpsfuckqage.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/IMG_20150728_203717_zpszjpk1wei.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/IMG_20150728_203717_zpszjpk1wei.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2015, 03:12:36 PM
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I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.
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Man, I might have to try those Rictas next. How are you liking that Blood Wizard?@

I checked out the new drop of BW decks at a local shop....they changed woodshops and lost their thin-ply, light/stiff feel - now they feel just like anything else out of mexico =(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 04, 2015, 04:17:25 PM
I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.


I've been skating the ricta 54 speed rings for a only a few days and I love them. They are faster and smoother than my bones 56mm.

(http://i.imgur.com/zaxJFuzl.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldManSkate on August 05, 2015, 11:04:53 AM
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I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.
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Man, I might have to try those Rictas next. How are you liking that Blood Wizard?@
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I checked out the new drop of BW decks at a local shop....they changed woodshops and lost their thin-ply, light/stiff feel - now they feel just like anything else out of mexico =(
Damn...I guess my deck will be another Real then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lonechicken on August 05, 2015, 11:39:06 AM
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I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.
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Man, I might have to try those Rictas next. How are you liking that Blood Wizard?@
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I checked out the new drop of BW decks at a local shop....they changed woodshops and lost their thin-ply, light/stiff feel - now they feel just like anything else out of mexico =(

What was their old woodshop?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2015, 01:42:57 PM
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I'm still skating my Ricta NRGs, I honestly can't find anything wrong with them.  I have swapped back and forth with spits - 101 radials (too wide) and 99a classics (too slow).

They're super fast, slide great, no flat spots yet, grip as well as any other wheel at speed, great shape too, not too thin, not too wide.
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Man, I might have to try those Rictas next. How are you liking that Blood Wizard?@
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I checked out the new drop of BW decks at a local shop....they changed woodshops and lost their thin-ply, light/stiff feel - now they feel just like anything else out of mexico =(
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What was their old woodshop?

No clue. A Slapal mentioned that they were made by a sister company to dwindle (whatever that means since Dwindle is it's own distro., unless they meant pressed at Dwindle), but I've never seen a Dwindle (or other deck co.) make a deck that looks and feels like this. I only know of Shorty's saying their decks are thinner than the industry standard 7ply stuff. It's very noticeable just by holding them (I don't have calipers so I can't measure) but I'd say they feel/look at least 2 plays thinner while still being 7 plys.

Shortys on top:

(https://scontent-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/q88/p720x720/10174838_750939118274337_1384248065_n.jpg?oh=57978f368b4eadf88fbc5544b1096371&oe=563811F2)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deekay on August 08, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
Sorry to go off topic but since we're on the subject.. Do any other companies make thinner or thinner feeling boards? I like that alot and I'm pretty light so I don't break boards ever. Crailtap kinda has that but they're so fucking flat...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 08, 2015, 11:56:21 AM
Sorry to go off topic but since we're on the subject.. Do any other companies make thinner or thinner feeling boards? I like that alot and I'm pretty light so I don't break boards ever. Crailtap kinda has that but they're so fucking flat...

I had a Black Label Alfaro Pro model some years ago that felt pretty thin and light, yet stiff... I really liked that deck! Dunno the woodshop they use.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 09, 2015, 10:49:53 AM
Sorry to go off topic but since we're on the subject.. Do any other companies make thinner or thinner feeling boards? I like that alot and I'm pretty light so I don't break boards ever. Crailtap kinda has that but they're so fucking flat...

Older Bloodwizards are that way, new Fall drop isn't. The Habitat Raptor series is pretty thin as well but outside P2s I haven't found anything consistent pressed with thinner plys (and I've looked); you could try the almost Double impact? 6 plays of wood and 1 carbon fiber ply. I've never held one as no one carries them. Anyone comment on if they are thinner? BMC had one I think?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 09, 2015, 10:54:58 AM
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Sorry to go off topic but since we're on the subject.. Do any other companies make thinner or thinner feeling boards? I like that alot and I'm pretty light so I don't break boards ever. Crailtap kinda has that but they're so fucking flat...
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Older Bloodwizards are that way, new Fall drop isn't. The Habitat Raptor series is pretty thin as well but outside P2s I haven't found anything consistent pressed with thinner plys (and I've looked); you could try the almost Double impact? 6 plays of wood and 1 carbon fiber ply. I've never held one as no one carries them. Anyone comment on if they are thinner? BMC had one I think?
The new Control mfg boards are light and feel kinda thin(compared to dlx), but super poppy and stiff with no sag
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: posguy on August 10, 2015, 01:29:08 PM
How are Autobahn wheels? I ride Bones STFs right now but have been interested in Autobahn for a bit now party for aesthetic and partly for Apples.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2015, 01:45:02 PM
How are Autobahn wheels? I ride Bones STFs right now but have been interested in Autobahn for a bit now party for aesthetic and partly for Apples.

They're great wheels, a bit grippier than STFs but other than that, top notch!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imgne on August 10, 2015, 07:16:40 PM
Got a shop guy rolling on a set of Wayward wheel at the moment, this dude honestly gives no fuck about what he rides, if I give him something, he'll shred it till its dead, so with that being said we normally just take down some notes/comparisons and I put the rest together in a bit of a rant/review of the product.

What we've come up with goes a little something like this...

Straight out of the wrapping you'll notice one thing, these wheels look like true urethane wheels, no plastic looking all white or over kiln'd type wheels like your popular STF & F4 wheels, Wayward look like what Spitfire F1's should of been!
Print wise, you'll notice the wheels have a small logo & size printed on each wheel, but on the other side of one wheel only, a full scale print with the Pro's initials as well, something a bit different to the regular, but its cool to see something a little different these days. Also a point of individuality to be made, each pro has chosen they're prefered duro & size for their wheels, in this case we're using the Chewy Cannon 101a 52mm wheels.
These days, every company is making claims or using gimmicks to promote their product, as far as we're aware, wayward don't, they market the way you would expect a true skateboard company to, let the pro's put it out there what they ride, let the skateboarders choose what they think will suit them and then let the product speak for itself.
We've got some rather shitty surfaces to roll around on in these parts and so far the wheels are holding up a lot better than we anticipated, no faults, no chips or flatspots as of yet, but the best part about these wheels is that you honestly feel like you're totally in control of the wheels no matter what surface you ride, they grip when you want them to grip and they slide when you want them to slide.
Obviously if you were to compare these wheels to the likes of the STF, NRG & F4 wheels, you'd probably find these may not roll as fast as the likes of them, but you wouldn't go as far its the end of the world, as they do roll rather fast considering and as we said before, you feel in control and comparing them to some of those other formula's, we've had instances where they can be a wild ride on certain surface's, not to say thats not fun sometimes, but you can't deny how good if feels to know you're not going to randomly wash out on a smoother'slippery surface with these wheels.

All in all, Wayward's got something damn good to offer the guy who wants to try something new, they may not be the biggest brand out there or the new big thing when it comes to wheels, but if you're the type of guy who wants a good looking, solid, reliable and reasonably price set of wheels, we highly suggest you give waywards a try.



P.S. I'm well aware that other companies do match their wheels to what the pro rides also, but so far wayward is yet to go into detail about how these wheels are apparently going to make you a better skateboarder etcetera etc... If you're the type of guy who likes hitting the local spots/parks, hits ledges, flatbars, banks and small transition, i think you should give these a go for yourself.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on August 11, 2015, 06:25:25 AM
i've been trying to get my hands on some wayward wheels, but can't find them anywhere in the U.S. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 11, 2015, 09:53:21 AM

Obviously if you were to compare these wheels to the likes of the STF, NRG & F4 wheels, you'd probably find these may not roll as fast as the likes of them

I'm all for trying out new brands but a slow wheel is not what I look for. Speed first, grip/slide second. Main reason I can't skate .sml or OJs, they feel soooooo sloooooow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 11, 2015, 10:37:50 AM
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Obviously if you were to compare these wheels to the likes of the STF, NRG & F4 wheels, you'd probably find these may not roll as fast as the likes of them
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I'm all for trying out new brands but a slow wheel is not what I look for. Speed first, grip/slide second. Main reason I can't skate .sml or OJs, they feel soooooo sloooooow.

My sml's bummed me out for that reason.  I liked everything about them but they were the only wheel that I've ever had that was drastically slower then others.  101 F4's roll faster than the 99's but it's not incredibly noticeable.  NRG's seemed a little faster than STF but the difference is minimal.

My sml's felt like like I was rolling through molasses
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on August 11, 2015, 10:56:58 AM
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Obviously if you were to compare these wheels to the likes of the STF, NRG & F4 wheels, you'd probably find these may not roll as fast as the likes of them
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I'm all for trying out new brands but a slow wheel is not what I look for. Speed first, grip/slide second. Main reason I can't skate .sml or OJs, they feel soooooo sloooooow.
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My sml's bummed me out for that reason.  I liked everything about them but they were the only wheel that I've ever had that was drastically slower then others.  101 F4's roll faster than the 99's but it's not incredibly noticeable.  NRG's seemed a little faster than STF but the difference is minimal.

My sml's felt like like I was rolling through molasses

That's wild to hear Steve. Both pair of SML wides I had seemed pretty fast, but were really slippery. They sketched me out many times I felt like I was sliding out from everything. I fully back those dudes that are running SML and the team is sick, but the wheels are too slick for my tastes.

To the guy that asked about Autobahn, they are my go-to. Always consistent and I like the feel. It all comes down to personal preference always, and there are a lot of great wheels, and shape choices available from smaller companies these days: PFC, AB, Paradise, Satori, Type S, etc. Autobahn always seem to be a great balance between of speed/grip/slide.

I am currently skating a set of Paradise and I like them as much as Autobahn. I'm going to be staying on these for awhile. Really nice wheel that is fast, and will slide smooth parks or super rough spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 11, 2015, 01:56:19 PM
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Obviously if you were to compare these wheels to the likes of the STF, NRG & F4 wheels, you'd probably find these may not roll as fast as the likes of them
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I'm all for trying out new brands but a slow wheel is not what I look for. Speed first, grip/slide second. Main reason I can't skate .sml or OJs, they feel soooooo sloooooow.
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My sml's bummed me out for that reason.  I liked everything about them but they were the only wheel that I've ever had that was drastically slower then others.  101 F4's roll faster than the 99's but it's not incredibly noticeable.  NRG's seemed a little faster than STF but the difference is minimal.

My sml's felt like like I was rolling through molasses
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That's wild to hear Steve. Both pair of SML wides I had seemed pretty fast, but were really slippery. They sketched me out many times I felt like I was sliding out from everything. I fully back those dudes that are running SML and the team is sick, but the wheels are too slick for my tastes.

To the guy that asked about Autobahn, they are my go-to. Always consistent and I like the feel. It all comes down to personal preference always, and there are a lot of great wheels, and shape choices available from smaller companies these days: PFC, AB, Paradise, Satori, Type S, etc. Autobahn always seem to be a great balance between of speed/grip/slide.

I am currently skating a set of Paradise and I like them as much as Autobahn. I'm going to be staying on these for awhile. Really nice wheel that is fast, and will slide smooth parks or super rough spots.

I definitely back sml as a company and the team.  It is possible that maybe I got a set from an off batch or something because I've heard others say they are fine.  I think only Xen and I have noted that they're slow. 

I definitely want to give Paradise a shot if you recommend them.  You and Xen are my wheel gurus haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imgne on August 11, 2015, 05:35:24 PM
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Obviously if you were to compare these wheels to the likes of the STF, NRG & F4 wheels, you'd probably find these may not roll as fast as the likes of them
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I'm all for trying out new brands but a slow wheel is not what I look for. Speed first, grip/slide second. Main reason I can't skate .sml or OJs, they feel soooooo sloooooow.

Fair point, we tested these wheels on two types of surfaces, our local park which has the one of the rougher flat surfaces around here and a prefab park that has slippery wood componants, the wayward 101a roll rather similar to the 99a F4 on the rougher surface park, the STF & NRG formula are faster, but they're definantly not a sluggish wheel, like OJ's and Spitfire Parkburners.
Another point I should make though is our park recently had all the transitions and banks painted, on the banks you could really notice how the waywards had more control and when we rode them on the slippery as fuck Rhino Ramps, they didn't slip out randomly like the STF's, NRG & to a lessor extent, the F4 101's do.. But they will still slide when you want them too as well, rather buttery like a coloured spitfire wheel...?
It comes down to what you're riding, if you're riding shit surfaces, you're going to want the hardest formula's going, as the rebound on those formula's allows you to roll faster without taking too much of the surface in and as much as you can skate those same wheels on the more slick/slippery surfaces, that same rebound factor can cause you to lose control on the occasion as its not taking the surface in as much as a true urethane wheel will..

I only compared the waywards to the new age urethane wheels as they're what are more popular, but in all honesty, I shouldn't, because what wayward has done, is made a one of the best (if not the #1) true urethane wheels on the market and holds it own compared to those new age wheels, but if you look at whats out there for the true urethane market (SML, Gold, Autobahn, Broadcast, Spitfire F1 etc..) you'll find that these wheels are amazing in comparison, especailly for the price (Australian store, our RRP is $60 for a set Wayward, which is also the same price as Spitfire F1's and the waywards are far superior to them, where as the NRG, Bones & F4's wheels are $70 a set)

P.S. - I'm sure the term True Urethane is probably the worst way to describe wheels as they're all urethane, but given the chalkier look of new age wheels, some people may understand what I mean when I say it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shit_for_brains on August 12, 2015, 12:01:19 AM
I know none of this is cool but I'm old, I only skate parks of varying quality, and I love the Bones V3. Where can I go from here?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 12, 2015, 03:02:26 AM
For anyone interested in the paradise wheels, just go for it. I'm skating a set for a while and i cant love them enough. Perfect amount of grip, slide and are fast and durable as fuck. Small company with a great quality product for sure.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: darbuzz on August 12, 2015, 04:04:13 AM
Has anyone tried wayward wheels yet?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 12, 2015, 06:21:47 AM
Just saw that Paradise makes a 101a slim shape wheel.  Might have to pick up a set based on the recommendation from you guys

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/10/2b/b0/102bb088bfe116f34494906df7f80584.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imgne on August 12, 2015, 06:10:31 PM
Has anyone tried wayward wheels yet?

Read my last two posts m8
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on August 12, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4JFl0HEXUGo/VYFuLuL0C3I/AAAAAAAAGt4/TZ4OtJHv8aI/s640/IMG_1207.JPG)

Picture of the soft d's

I like these so far. More control doing tricks, but still soft enough to roll over the bullshit

why don't more companies do WHITE cruiser wheels?  (not that it matters because i will only ride Spitfire from here on out because what's the fucking point of anything else)

i don't want colored wheels, ever.  good luck finding a cruiser wheel that isn't purple, green, orange, or sky blue pink. 



those Soft D's look amazing, and i will have to try and track down a set. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: darbuzz on August 13, 2015, 02:57:10 AM
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Read my last two posts m8
My bad dude,Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 13, 2015, 02:23:25 PM
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4JFl0HEXUGo/VYFuLuL0C3I/AAAAAAAAGt4/TZ4OtJHv8aI/s640/IMG_1207.JPG)

Picture of the soft d's

I like these so far. More control doing tricks, but still soft enough to roll over the bullshit
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why don't more companies do WHITE cruiser wheels?  (not that it matters because i will only ride Spitfire from here on out because what's the fucking point of anything else)

i don't want colored wheels, ever.  good luck finding a cruiser wheel that isn't purple, green, orange, or sky blue pink. 



those Soft D's look amazing, and i will have to try and track down a set. 

Tons of white cruiser wheel options:

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=126&wb=all&wc=w&ws=all&wd=all&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc# (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=126&wb=all&wc=w&ws=all&wd=all&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc#)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dillanharp on August 15, 2015, 08:02:27 PM
I got these, 101s, they're good enough. Slimmer side cut or "conical." Less riding surface than Spit classics and they came in an OJ Crown Royal bag...
(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/images/thumb/phpThumb.php?src=/product_images/27151.jpg&h=600&w=600&dpi=72&q=80)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on November 17, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
got some prize fighter cuts to try out for the indoor months ahead ...
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/pfc_zpsmufccf3x.jpg)


the lurker lou softer ones
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.ecwid.com/images/1115074/311383861.jpg)

we'll see if they end up being any better/worse than the SF F4 99a with dust/wood
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on November 17, 2015, 03:54:48 PM
Those look great for indoor wood/ rough outdoor spots. Good to see some wheel companies toying with duros other than 100a or 78a.

There was talk of a 95a Formula Four at one point...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on November 18, 2015, 12:41:29 AM
really liking the shape on those lurker lous, let us know how they work out art.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on November 18, 2015, 02:39:25 PM
will do

(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Shaun-Of-The-Dead-Cheers.gif)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fergus on November 18, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
got some prize fighter cuts to try out for the indoor months ahead ...
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/pfc_zpsmufccf3x.jpg)
Not exactly an appropriate question for the wheels thread but...
How are you liking the 8.6? Don't you usually skate an 8.25?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on November 20, 2015, 06:24:11 AM
so, skated indoors last night.  the lil place here is one of the dustiest/slippery parks ever.  

that being said, these http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/shop/#!/Lurker-Lou-54mm-95A/p/55250639/category=2470697 (http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/shop/#!/Lurker-Lou-54mm-95A/p/55250639/category=2470697)

sooooo good for indoors!

was ready to slip out so many times, but these had me all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQDXs75Ulo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQDXs75Ulo#)

yes, they are that ^ grippy ^



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jordick on November 23, 2015, 06:46:07 PM
are there any board companies that make good wheels? and are Ab-S wheels good?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 05, 2015, 08:57:11 AM
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c208/Sulyven/FullSizeRender_zpslu66lefv.jpg)

Big fan of Prize Fighters.

was that typo on the wheels intentional?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 05, 2015, 11:18:23 AM
are there any board companies that make good wheels? and are Ab-S wheels good?

I hear polar's wheels are good. Anyone tried em? Reckon they'll be my next purchase if they're decent
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: zippy z on December 05, 2015, 10:29:24 PM
I've been riding a set of Reed wheels for a couple weeks. So far they are really solid, stay hard, no flat spots. Definitely going to get a second set if the local shop still has them. Otherwise I'll go back to mini bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on December 06, 2015, 07:09:38 AM
I ordered these in 52 during Black Friday. Probably won't skate them until after Christmas. I've been wanting them for a long time.
(http://i.imgur.com/WV8gfqK.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: VCR on December 06, 2015, 07:39:49 AM
Anybody check out those Wayward wheels. They look pretty good in any pictures I have seen.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Julz on December 06, 2015, 08:29:04 AM
(http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/images/thumb/phpThumb.php?src=/product_images/27303.jpg&h=600&w=600&dpi=72&q=80)

Anybody else heard about OJ's new formula ? Could be interesting !

Behold, the ‪#‎InsaneAthane‬... Our toughest formula yet. Have you tried these? Tough as nails, fast, and slide great.
Top: 101a EZ Edge
Bottom: 99a EZ Edge


That being said, I still don't see myself not riding the F4 train, so it will be hard for any company to fully convince me to try their product.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dima on December 06, 2015, 11:10:24 AM
STF V2s, The best shape period.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jake From State Farm on December 06, 2015, 04:01:00 PM
I ordered these in 52 during Black Friday. Probably won't skate them until after Christmas. I've been wanting them for a long time.
(http://i.imgur.com/WV8gfqK.jpg)

I skate the 54's of these on my everyday board. I won't buy anything else, ever again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lonechicken on December 07, 2015, 06:59:20 AM
Top: 101a EZ Edge
Bottom: 99a EZ Edge

What does that mean? Top and bottom?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on December 07, 2015, 07:08:05 AM
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Bottom: 99a EZ Edge
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What does that mean? Top and bottom?

are you in the right forum? lol jk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 07, 2015, 07:30:16 AM
(http://www.nhsfunfactory.com/images/thumb/phpThumb.php?src=/product_images/27303.jpg&h=600&w=600&dpi=72&q=80)

Anybody else heard about OJ's new formula ? Could be interesting !

Behold, the ‪#‎InsaneAthane‬... Our toughest formula yet. Have you tried these? Tough as nails, fast, and slide great.
Top: 101a EZ Edge
Bottom: 99a EZ Edge


That being said, I still don't see myself not riding the F4 train, so it will be hard for any company to fully convince me to try their product.

Origionaly I thought them just to be a keyframe style OK - then the update of a 'new' formula came - OJs feel slow to me and have always flatspotted, I wouldn't want to risk it; plus, both shapes are too wide ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Julz on December 07, 2015, 09:20:51 AM
Yeah, I definitely need some legit feedbacks from atleast a handful of people before buying a pair. Still, you can tell this is probably the result of all the other companies constantly pushing the quality of their wheels. I believe that it's a good thing for us, the customers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on December 07, 2015, 09:37:50 AM
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I ordered these in 52 during Black Friday. Probably won't skate them until after Christmas. I've been wanting them for a long time.
(http://i.imgur.com/WV8gfqK.jpg)
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I skate the 54's of these on my everyday board. I won't buy anything else, ever again.
Good to hear, mine should be here today, i want to smell them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xtal on December 07, 2015, 10:18:04 AM
I've tried the Bones STFs and SPFs and they were disappointing. I need a wheel that will allow me to powerslide a long time and have a quick response. The Bones were way too grippy. I don't understand all the reviews I've read where people said they're way too slippery. It's just not true.

Spitfire Formula Four 54mm 101a's in the classic shape have been my go-to for a long time. However, I decided to try something different on cyber Monday and ordered some OJ "Power Riders" 54mm 101a's. Haven't skated them yet but they look and feel like high quality urethane.

I know that the "durometer scale" within the industry is pretty regular but anything lower than "101a" aren't slippery enough for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tracer on December 07, 2015, 05:05:51 PM
Spitfires have gotten better but not all bones are the same. They have skinnys if you need more slippery wheels and 5 shapes of stf.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xtal on December 07, 2015, 05:41:57 PM
Spitfires have gotten better but not all bones are the same. They have skinnys if you need more slippery wheels and 5 shapes of stf.

Yup even the super skinny V3 shape didn't slide as well as I would have liked. Not saying they're bad wheels, just not for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on December 08, 2015, 02:38:56 AM
Started skating a set of Pfc lurker lou 54mm 95a yesterday. They are definitely grippy. Perfect for our dusty indoor masonite park. Felt awesome! Had the best sesh in a long time due to the added control the extra grip provided. Stil slid when I wanted to. Definitely recommend them for dusty indoor parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Such on December 08, 2015, 03:45:33 PM
I've tried the Bones STFs and SPFs and they were disappointing. I need a wheel that will allow me to powerslide a long time and have a quick response. The Bones were way too grippy. I don't understand all the reviews I've read where people said they're way too slippery. It's just not true.

Spitfire Formula Four 54mm 101a's in the classic shape have been my go-to for a long time. However, I decided to try something different on cyber Monday and ordered some OJ "Power Riders" 54mm 101a's. Haven't skated them yet but they look and feel like high quality urethane.

I know that the "durometer scale" within the industry is pretty regular but anything lower than "101a" aren't slippery enough for me.

i start sliding all over the place whenever i skate anything over 99a... i skate really fast though. wish i could find a wheels that was like 96-97a somewhere.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 08, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
Just bought some Autobahn dual duro but I really feel like picking up a pair of those OJ's To see how they compare to Formula Fours!!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xtal on December 08, 2015, 06:56:16 PM
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I've tried the Bones STFs and SPFs and they were disappointing. I need a wheel that will allow me to powerslide a long time and have a quick response. The Bones were way too grippy. I don't understand all the reviews I've read where people said they're way too slippery. It's just not true.

Spitfire Formula Four 54mm 101a's in the classic shape have been my go-to for a long time. However, I decided to try something different on cyber Monday and ordered some OJ "Power Riders" 54mm 101a's. Haven't skated them yet but they look and feel like high quality urethane.

I know that the "durometer scale" within the industry is pretty regular but anything lower than "101a" aren't slippery enough for me.
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i start sliding all over the place whenever i skate anything over 99a... i skate really fast though. wish i could find a wheels that was like 96-97a somewhere.

Hmm...do you skate indoor a lot? When I skate indoor I slide all over the place lol. Outdoor, 101a aren't insanely slippery they're just how it should be. Having a powerslide locked and loaded ready for whenever you choose.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 30, 2016, 07:26:58 AM
How would you guys compare a set of sml. Wheels to the f4's. Been on the 101 f4's for a while now and currently are rocking the Silas wheels. Wanting to give the little guys a shot, I've had two sets of pfcs too so if they are comparable I might grab a set at the shop
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Coconut Lotion on March 30, 2016, 09:44:51 AM
How would you guys compare a set of sml. Wheels to the f4's. Been on the 101 f4's for a while now and currently are rocking the Silas wheels. Wanting to give the little guys a shot, I've had two sets of pfcs too so if they are comparable I might grab a set at the shop

save yourself the hassle and keep skating/buy more f4's
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on March 30, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
How would you guys compare a set of sml. Wheels to the f4's. Been on the 101 f4's for a while now and currently are rocking the Silas wheels. Wanting to give the little guys a shot, I've had two sets of pfcs too so if they are comparable I might grab a set at the shop

I hate to bag on sml because they're a small company but I had a pair of the Austyn slim wheels with the black core and they were the slowest wheels that I've ever skated.  It was the only time that I really noticed one wheel being significantly slower than others.

If your happy with F4's there's no reason to switch
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 30, 2016, 03:26:36 PM
Ended up grabbing the f4's. Went from 53 to 54 just to do something different ,shop had conicals but wasn't feeling adventurous enough
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Toydivision on March 30, 2016, 04:01:17 PM
Anyone skated Wayward wheels? Are they any good?

I'm skating F4's currently, the conicals, I like them and they'll probably last me another 4-5 months.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 30, 2016, 04:13:50 PM
Just bought some Autobahn dual duro but I really feel like picking up a pair of those OJ's To see how they compare to Formula Fours!!!
In case anyone cares, I skated the Autobahn wheels. They have a slim shape but won't slide as well as 99 F4 with the classic shape. They look cool but aren't the wheel for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on March 30, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
I hate to bag on sml because they're a small company but I had a pair of the Austyn slim wheels with the black core and they were the slowest wheels that I've ever skated.  It was the only time that I really noticed one wheel being significantly slower than others.

I have no scientific way of proving this but I swear SML uses different urethane for different cuts of wheels. I had a set of Herrington wide cuts that were some of the fastest and slickest wheels I've ever skated. Too slick for me, felt like I was skating on banana peels. A few months back I tried a set of Knox V-Cuts and had a similar experience to yours Steve. They felt slow, gummy, wouldn't slide and not ANYTHING like the wides I had. I skated them 30 minutes and took them off. Like you said, I hate bagging on them but maybe I got a defective set.

In case anyone cares, I skated the Autobahn wheels. They have a slim shape but won't slide as well as 99 F4 with the classic shape. They look cool but aren't the wheel for me.

Autobahn only for me. Not really a big fan of their 'B' formula but anything else they make is golden for me. A lot of different shapes to choose from too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on March 30, 2016, 09:57:20 PM
Has it been broken down who the manu's are?  There must be the same ones for a bunch yeah? 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WeirdBeach on March 30, 2016, 11:27:02 PM
Has anyone tried Canal? The wide shape looks really good. I'm skating SML Herringtons right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on March 30, 2016, 11:42:16 PM
99 f4 Classics. Since they've been out and I try something different I regret it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on March 31, 2016, 07:25:17 AM
99 f4 Classics. Since they've been out and I try something different I regret it.

I still want to try out a set of Wayward wheels and ive been curious about Canal as well, the shape looks cool...but I always come back to dwarf's quote...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on March 31, 2016, 07:35:59 AM
Spitfire 99 f4 classic's are the business, and I can also get down on some 53mm ricta park crushers. OJ keyframes are beautiful to throw on the cruiser too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: coneklr on March 31, 2016, 07:37:07 AM
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99 f4 Classics. Since they've been out and I try something different I regret it.
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I still want to try out a set of Wayward wheels and ive been curious about Canal as well, the shape looks cool...but I always come back to dwarf's quote...


Yup, I won't mess with wheels again, F4's until I can't skate.  I have loved every set I've had and only replace them because I feel like it not because they needed it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on March 31, 2016, 07:40:52 AM
same. been riding nothing but 99a F4s for a few years now and i kind of want to try something else just for the hell of it. tempted to try some 101 F4s or even straight classics again. but i'm guessing i will  instantly regret moving away from my perfect wheel...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jordick on March 31, 2016, 08:30:46 AM
I've been riding some 56mm radial 99a f4's. Really no need for another wheel. I do love the classics though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Andmoreagain on March 31, 2016, 08:51:46 AM
Was riding 99 F4s for a long time untill I started riding bigger concrete bowls, where i found em too slippery. Recently switched to 97a (I think) Santa Cruz Slime Balls, which were the only 97 i could find.

Took a little getting used to but they grip great and I find they're fine for sliding around as well. I'm happy here
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 31, 2016, 10:16:09 AM
Vision Blurr IIS, OJs were the jam, then came Spit classics and Ricta Naturals, then modern Bones (riding mini cubics as a street skater sucked balls).

I prefer thinner wheels (Bones V2/half the ricta shapes). I tried to love the 99a spits (twice), my kids ride them now. The classic shaped wheel, be it the V5s, OJs, they're like little wheelballs. Rode a few sets of 101s (classic, conical, radial, sstill have'em all), finally settled on the 101a Radial Slims, its the perfect spitfire; thin-ish, hard and fast with a dense feel to them (all F4s feel this way to me).

I'm also in the minority (except for BMC) but the Ricta NRGs are just so damn fast. Faster feeling than the 101 spits, thinner/different variety of shapes (yet providing the Classic and Conical shape). They feel totally different than spits but provide the same effects (grip, slide, speed); they make the 101 spits feel like the 99s.

Can't go wrong with Autobahn either (though like Ricta you have to go through hoops to get flatspot replacements unlike Bones or Spits: send them bak, get new wheels); With ABs, be sure to fill out your warranty or they will ask for pictures, etc. for whatever reason, the factory decides not the buys at AB.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Eric ricks on March 31, 2016, 10:32:50 AM
I gotta go back to 99s, im riding bones 101s right now and it just feels off.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on March 31, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
I was interested in Wayward too if anyone has feedback.

Also, does any one know if Huf is going to be restarting Metropolitan? Feel like I heard that as while back and haven't seen anything since...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on March 31, 2016, 12:14:12 PM


I'm also in the minority (except for BMC) but the Ricta NRGs are just so damn fast. Faster feeling than the 101 spits, thinner/different variety of shapes (yet providing the Classic and Conical shape). They feel totally different than spits but provide the same effects (grip, slide, speed); they make the 101 spits feel like the 99s.


Yeah the park crushers I'm riding right now are the NRG formula.,, Just in 83b instead of 81 and in a wider, side cut shape. They're everything you said. I like them a lot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 31, 2016, 05:49:50 PM
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I'm also in the minority (except for BMC) but the Ricta NRGs are just so damn fast. Faster feeling than the 101 spits, thinner/different variety of shapes (yet providing the Classic and Conical shape). They feel totally different than spits but provide the same effects (grip, slide, speed); they make the 101 spits feel like the 99s.

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Yeah the park crushers I'm riding right now are the NRG formula.,, Just in 83b instead of 81 and in a wider, side cut shape. They're everything you said. I like them a lot.

I still have my 55mm crushers, I flatted them (or thought I had then found a clear clump of some shit stuck on them, slides and whathave you didn't dislodge it, haven't tried them again).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on March 31, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
I still have my 55mm crushers, I flatted them (or thought I had then found a clear clump of some shit stuck on them, slides and whathave you didn't dislodge it, haven't tried them again).

Damn that's weird. I wonder what the hell got on them to be stuck on that hard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 01, 2016, 04:39:12 AM

I'm also in the minority (except for BMC) but the Ricta NRGs are just so damn fast. Faster feeling than the 101 spits, thinner/different variety of shapes (yet providing the Classic and Conical shape). They feel totally different than spits but provide the same effects (grip, slide, speed); they make the 101 spits feel like the 99s.


I'm stoked to be back on NRGs after the last year on F4's.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with F4's but for me NRGs do everything slightly better.  As you mentioned, slightly faster, slightly more grip at speed, slightly more slide when you want it.  I also prefer their shapes over F4's

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/IMG_20160401_043422_zpsky90ifhi.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/IMG_20160401_043422_zpsky90ifhi.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on April 01, 2016, 07:38:18 AM
I have a set of Wayward Lucas 52s...but I'm waiting another month or so to put em on until the weather mellows out and dries out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 01, 2016, 09:56:42 AM
I have a set of Wayward Lucas 52s...but I'm waiting another month or so to put em on until the weather mellows out and dries out.

Nice!  Have you skated any Wayward's yet?  Great team and great looking wheels but I haven't been able to find any reviews on them yet
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on April 01, 2016, 10:56:16 AM
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I have a set of Wayward Lucas 52s...but I'm waiting another month or so to put em on until the weather mellows out and dries out.
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Nice!  Have you skated any Wayward's yet?  Great team and great looking wheels but I haven't been able to find any reviews on them yet

ive never skated em before... took forever to find until my local finally got a set for me. 

arg. SLAPpeerpressure is gonna make me try em out this weekend...I can just feel it.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ALZ on April 01, 2016, 12:36:29 PM
Have aynone tried a set of Jiwaro Wheels? Feedback would be appreciated  :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on April 01, 2016, 01:09:50 PM
Haven't skated a set but I hear nothing but good things about them here in the Pacific Northwest. Home base for them but the few that I've talked to about them give them a thumbs up.

Really digging the new wider Prize Fighters I've been skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on April 02, 2016, 12:08:46 PM
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I'm also in the minority (except for BMC) but the Ricta NRGs are just so damn fast. Faster feeling than the 101 spits, thinner/different variety of shapes (yet providing the Classic and Conical shape). They feel totally different than spits but provide the same effects (grip, slide, speed); they make the 101 spits feel like the 99s.

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I'm stoked to be back on NRGs after the last year on F4's.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with F4's but for me NRGs do everything slightly better.  As you mentioned, slightly faster, slightly more grip at speed, slightly more slide when you want it.  I also prefer their shapes over F4's

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/IMG_20160401_043422_zpsky90ifhi.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/IMG_20160401_043422_zpsky90ifhi.jpg.html)

How do the NRGs skate on shitty ground? I'm coming from 99a f4 classics(originally 56mm, now about 51mm) and while these NRGs sound enticing, the ground at my local spots seriously suck and I don't want to have to deal with a super bumpy ride for a bit of extra speed and slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 03, 2016, 01:30:31 PM
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I'm also in the minority (except for BMC) but the Ricta NRGs are just so damn fast. Faster feeling than the 101 spits, thinner/different variety of shapes (yet providing the Classic and Conical shape). They feel totally different than spits but provide the same effects (grip, slide, speed); they make the 101 spits feel like the 99s.

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I'm stoked to be back on NRGs after the last year on F4's.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with F4's but for me NRGs do everything slightly better.  As you mentioned, slightly faster, slightly more grip at speed, slightly more slide when you want it.  I also prefer their shapes over F4's

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/steveboston/IMG_20160401_043422_zpsky90ifhi.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/steveboston/media/IMG_20160401_043422_zpsky90ifhi.jpg.html)
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How do the NRGs skate on shitty ground? I'm coming from 99a f4 classics(originally 56mm, now about 51mm) and while these NRGs sound enticing, the ground at my local spots seriously suck and I don't want to have to deal with a super bumpy ride for a bit of extra speed and slide.

They're a little more harsh than 99's and a little smoother than 101's.  If you skate really rough areas most of the time, 99a F4's would probably more more suitable but the NRG's would work if you want to mix it up
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on April 04, 2016, 06:46:04 AM
skated some Wayward Puig 52mm wheels this weekend. 

similar shape to the F4 classic shape.  felt a little harder/slicker than the 99a, but not as slippery as the 100a.  I kept expecting them to flatspot or in some other way disappoint, but they skated great.  we'll see how they last...but initial reaction is they are great wheels. 

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/ww2_zpssbvwfl7y.jpg)
next to used 52mm F4 classic

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/ww3_zpskfauu6xt.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: alraunen on April 04, 2016, 10:15:48 AM
Anyone tried the pig heads new conical shape?  I love the original ones but the last set I bought was more narrow than older sets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on April 04, 2016, 11:47:02 AM
I just got a set of 55mm OJ Insaneathane 99a conicals andBronson G3 bearings.  I've only skated them one day but so far I'm impressed with both.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lamfordie on April 04, 2016, 11:58:45 AM
Currently skating a set of Sml Wheels 52 v cut Ag formula. Softer than the og formula and a lil wider which I really like. Slide a lot better and the wider shape is good to get over the rough ground that is Mexico.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jordick on April 04, 2016, 02:53:22 PM
Currently skating a set of Sml Wheels 52 v cut Ag formula. Softer than the og formula and a lil wider which I really like. Slide a lot better and the wider shape is good to get over the rough ground that is Mexico.
what part of mexico? I was in Mexico city during the summer staying with my family, where they lived near the reforma and the ground there was really bad most of the time. Seemed as if the skaters there have to be pretty raw, but it seemed like there was stuff on every street that was good like in philly or New York.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 13, 2016, 03:58:30 PM
Has anyone actually skated these wheels?
(http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/heshdawgzsk8/cabinet/00711241/img60439110.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 13, 2016, 04:52:34 PM
Has anyone actually skated these wheels?
(http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/heshdawgzsk8/cabinet/00711241/img60439110.jpg)

Ha, I did on a cruiser. Don't bother.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jordick on April 13, 2016, 08:01:33 PM
Has anyone actually skated these wheels?
(http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/heshdawgzsk8/cabinet/00711241/img60439110.jpg)
I think those are actually the worst wheels ever
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on July 24, 2016, 06:51:35 AM
Just grabbed a set of Wayward to check out. They call this the wide but it's more of a v-cut shape.

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/WAYWARD1_zps0mlc7vbc.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/WAYWARD2_zpstjqxs8rz.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on July 24, 2016, 07:22:27 AM
Have aynone tried a set of Jiwaro Wheels? Feedback would be appreciated  :)

Hey man, I tried some Jivaro's out, they were alright. I also tried Portland wheels and it was the same result, I think they're both from the same factory. There's really no other wheels worth buying besides Spitfire's F4 or Bones STF's. Everything else out there is pretty much the same feel/performance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on July 24, 2016, 08:33:53 AM
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Have aynone tried a set of Jiwaro Wheels? Feedback would be appreciated  :)
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Hey man, I tried some Jivaro's out, they were alright. I also tried Portland wheels and it was the same result, I think they're both from the same factory. There's really no other wheels worth buying besides Spitfire's F4 or Bones STF's. Everything else out there is pretty much the same feel/performance.
Ricta NRG's are pretty boss too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on July 24, 2016, 10:13:46 AM
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Have aynone tried a set of Jiwaro Wheels? Feedback would be appreciated  :)
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Hey man, I tried some Jivaro's out, they were alright. I also tried Portland wheels and it was the same result, I think they're both from the same factory. There's really no other wheels worth buying besides Spitfire's F4 or Bones STF's. Everything else out there is pretty much the same feel/performance.
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Ricta NRG's are pretty boss too.

Well, it's NHS so I don't see how they'd be much different than OJ because they're most likely made in the same factory. I tried those OJ insane-a-thanes and they sucked.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 24, 2016, 04:32:04 PM
Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 24, 2016, 08:11:25 PM
If you're not riding f4s you're fuckkng up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on July 24, 2016, 08:27:32 PM
Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf

They feel like a mix between STF and F4's.  NRG is my favorite wheel formula.  I just wish they had as many shape options as F4's
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 25, 2016, 01:35:44 AM
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Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
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They feel like a mix between STF and F4's.  NRG is my favorite wheel formula.  I just wish they had as many shape options as F4's

nice, i gotta get a set. thanks steve
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on July 25, 2016, 02:46:54 AM
If you're not riding f4s you're fuckkkkkkkkkkkng up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on July 25, 2016, 06:41:58 AM
Currently skating a set of Sml Wheels 52 v cut Ag formula. Softer than the og formula and a lil wider which I really like. Slide a lot better and the wider shape is good to get over the rough ground that is Mexico.

At some point I am going to give SML another look. The wides definitely felt different to me.

The new Danny Garcia wheels looks great.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BINIMd8hVft/?taken-by=smlwheels (https://www.instagram.com/p/BINIMd8hVft/?taken-by=smlwheels)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on July 25, 2016, 07:08:15 AM
If you're not riding f4s you're fuckkng up.

I thought the same thing until I started skating some Wayward Wheels.  I'm on my second set.  They skate extremely similar to the 99a Spit F4s (hard to flat spot, grippy when you need/slide when you want).  Only problem is they are very hard to find.

F4s are probably the best ever tho.  It's just fun to mix it up sometimes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the snake on July 25, 2016, 07:38:52 AM
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Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
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They feel like a mix between STF and F4's.  NRG is my favorite wheel formula.  I just wish they had as many shape options as F4's
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nice, i gotta get a set. thanks steve
STF are 83b bro
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 25, 2016, 04:56:39 PM
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Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
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They feel like a mix between STF and F4's.  NRG is my favorite wheel formula.  I just wish they had as many shape options as F4's
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nice, i gotta get a set. thanks steve
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STF are 83b bro


thats weird, back then i could of sworn they said 81b, maybe im thinking of SPF even though i got STF's
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on July 25, 2016, 07:23:06 PM
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Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
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They feel like a mix between STF and F4's.  NRG is my favorite wheel formula.  I just wish they had as many shape options as F4's
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nice, i gotta get a set. thanks steve
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STF are 83b bro

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thats weird, back then i could of sworn they said 81b, maybe im thinking of SPF even though i got STF's
SPF's say they're 84b. One whole durometer difference lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on July 25, 2016, 07:37:43 PM
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Have aynone tried a set of Jiwaro Wheels? Feedback would be appreciated  :)
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Hey man, I tried some Jivaro's out, they were alright. I also tried Portland wheels and it was the same result, I think they're both from the same factory. There's really no other wheels worth buying besides Spitfire's F4 or Bones STF's. Everything else out there is pretty much the same feel/performance.
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Ricta NRG's are pretty boss too.
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Well, it's NHS so I don't see how they'd be much different than OJ because they're most likely made in the same factory. I tried those OJ insane-a-thanes and they sucked.
Never skated the OJ's So I really can't say of they're much different or not. But they aren't chalky feeling like I've heard the OJ's described.
Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
I love the NRG 53 park crushers. They're a little harder than the regular NRG wheels. 83b instead of 81b. I feel like they're definitely more grippy than F4's but can't say how they feel compared to STF's. I haven't skated any of those in quite a while.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
Ricta NRG formula is great, feels harder and faster than both F4s and STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on July 26, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
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Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
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They feel like a mix between STF and F4's.  NRG is my favorite wheel formula.  I just wish they had as many shape options as F4's
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nice, i gotta get a set. thanks steve
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STF are 83b bro

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thats weird, back then i could of sworn they said 81b, maybe im thinking of SPF even though i got STF's
they make 81b spfs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on July 26, 2016, 01:27:33 PM
Ricta NRG formula is great, feels harder and faster than both F4s and STFs.

I love how fast they feel! I do like how well F4s slide but I would take the NRG any day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on July 27, 2016, 05:03:16 AM
i used to be a big ricta fan because these wheels are the hardest but it came to a point where i could not stand the immediate flatspotting anymore. last year i got some ricta speed rings to try out and flatspotted them in about 2 minutes. mind, the floor is very smooth and kinda invokes flatspotting (i have flatspotted f4's and stfs in a day there).
i want to ask if this energy thing is any better than the og ricta stuff and if it is i wouldn't mind giving it a try.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lonechicken on July 27, 2016, 06:12:46 AM
i used to be a big ricta fan because these wheels are the hardest but it came to a point where i could not stand the immediate flatspotting anymore. last year i got some ricta speed rings to try out and flatspotted them in about 2 minutes. mind, the floor is very smooth and kinda invokes flatspotting (i have flatspotted f4's and stfs in a day there).
i want to ask if this energy thing is any better than the og ricta stuff and if it is i wouldn't mind giving it a try.

What about how they feel? Anybody use speedrings long enough to give a definitive answer on whether that design leads to a smoother ride than typical wheels on the street?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on July 28, 2016, 02:03:34 AM
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i used to be a big ricta fan because these wheels are the hardest but it came to a point where i could not stand the immediate flatspotting anymore. last year i got some ricta speed rings to try out and flatspotted them in about 2 minutes. mind, the floor is very smooth and kinda invokes flatspotting (i have flatspotted f4's and stfs in a day there).
i want to ask if this energy thing is any better than the og ricta stuff and if it is i wouldn't mind giving it a try.
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What about how they feel? Anybody use speedrings long enough to give a definitive answer on whether that design leads to a smoother ride than typical wheels on the street?


the place i usually skate has extremely smooth, mirror like floor. using those rictas there felt like i was skating clay wheels. very hard and slippery but this is what i like when it comes to skating smooth flat. i tried squeezing the "ring" in between the polyurethane and that felt like it was very solid, more like an inner core. i doubt they will be smoooth for street skating. its been ages since i skated a set of inner cores but these speed rings feel very similar to the cored rictas. rattly as fuck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mr. Kamikazi on July 28, 2016, 01:54:28 PM
I just ordered a pair of SML wheels, size 53mm. I am stoked to try something new, along with supporting three of my favorites; Molinar, Gillette, and Garcia.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 29, 2016, 02:55:28 PM
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i used to be a big ricta fan because these wheels are the hardest but it came to a point where i could not stand the immediate flatspotting anymore. last year i got some ricta speed rings to try out and flatspotted them in about 2 minutes. mind, the floor is very smooth and kinda invokes flatspotting (i have flatspotted f4's and stfs in a day there).
i want to ask if this energy thing is any better than the og ricta stuff and if it is i wouldn't mind giving it a try.
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What about how they feel? Anybody use speedrings long enough to give a definitive answer on whether that design leads to a smoother ride than typical wheels on the street?

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the place i usually skate has extremely smooth, mirror like floor. using those rictas there felt like i was skating clay wheels. very hard and slippery but this is what i like when it comes to skating smooth flat. i tried squeezing the "ring" in between the polyurethane and that felt like it was very solid, more like an inner core. i doubt they will be smoooth for street skating. its been ages since i skated a set of inner cores but these speed rings feel very similar to the cored rictas. rattly as fuck

One of my favorite wheels were the chrome cores. Rattled your fucking teeth out they were so hard. Loud, hard and fast. Never flatted then and re-learned bluntslides on them.

Speedrings...I skated a pair on street, they felt great, less tooth jarring than the chrome cores...that said, that same day I rode them for all of 15min in a smooth park, ran into a chunk of mulch, it pitched me and flatted the shit out of them. Never touched a pair since.

NRG ridden two sets, still have them, love them, fast, loud and hard. The new speedrings are made with the NRG formula (my speed rings were the old formula).

I prefer Ricta NRG over everything really...wish they made a narrow speed ring as I am a fan of cored wheels. Would ride .sml of they weren't so damn grippy.

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Does anyone know if ricta NRG formula has the same grippy feel of bones stf? Cause ricta NRG says they're 81b like bones stf
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They feel like a mix between STF and F4's.  NRG is my favorite wheel formula.  I just wish they had as many shape options as F4's
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nice, i gotta get a set. thanks steve
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STF are 83b bro

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thats weird, back then i could of sworn they said 81b, maybe im thinking of SPF even though i got STF's
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SPF's say they're 84b. One whole durometer difference lol

They make an 81 SPF I got a set and like em...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on July 29, 2016, 08:43:44 PM
I'm riding Welcome Orbs ghost light 54mm 102d, they are def hard and rattly feeling, they dont slide as easy as f4s, but they still slide, i just have to put a little extra into it. I'm not totally sure if they feel fast, i need new bearings. 
The color is sick though, light blue and a pink core.
(https://cdn.daddiesboardshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/a/q/aq24924-1_1.1469850190.jpg?)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Silky Johnson on July 29, 2016, 10:35:21 PM
Those look rad Johnes,
To you guys that skate colored wheels, Do you find they shrink faster than whites wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on July 30, 2016, 01:54:05 AM
Anyone tried the 92A Ricta Clouds yet?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on July 30, 2016, 06:21:23 AM
Those Welcome Orbs look like they belong on a scooter or some rollerblades.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the snake on July 30, 2016, 07:17:42 AM
Those Welcome Orbs look like they belong on a scooter or some rollerblades.
yep, you put the word on it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on July 30, 2016, 07:22:16 PM
Those look rad Johnes,
To you guys that skate colored wheels, Do you find they shrink faster than whites wheels?
I've never noticed that from colored wheels, I've had a few white and a few colored f4s and they seem to wear the same to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on July 30, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Those Welcome Orbs look like they belong on a scooter or some rollerblades.
I've thought about trying out the solid ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Silky Johnson on July 30, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
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Those look rad Johnes,
To you guys that skate colored wheels, Do you find they shrink faster than whites wheels?
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I've never noticed that from colored wheels, I've had a few white and a few colored f4s and they seem to wear the same to me.
Thanks for the response, gonna pull the trigger on some colored F4s next pay.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2016, 09:43:12 PM
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Those look rad Johnes,
To you guys that skate colored wheels, Do you find they shrink faster than whites wheels?
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I've never noticed that from colored wheels, I've had a few white and a few colored f4s and they seem to wear the same to me.

I always found colored bones stfs to feel better than the off white. SPFs feel the same no matter what. Haven't tried colored F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lonechicken on August 01, 2016, 06:20:24 AM
I'm riding Welcome Orbs ghost light 54mm 102d, they are def hard and rattly feeling, they dont slide as easy as f4s, but they still slide, i just have to put a little extra into it. I'm not totally sure if they feel fast, i need new bearings. 
The color is sick though, light blue and a pink core.
(https://cdn.daddiesboardshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/a/q/aq24924-1_1.1469850190.jpg?)


Mmmm. Cotton candy. :P
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: alraunen on August 01, 2016, 06:52:38 AM
I'm riding Welcome Orbs ghost light 54mm 102d, they are def hard and rattly feeling, they dont slide as easy as f4s, but they still slide, i just have to put a little extra into it. I'm not totally sure if they feel fast, i need new bearings. 
The color is sick though, light blue and a pink core.
(https://cdn.daddiesboardshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/a/q/aq24924-1_1.1469850190.jpg?)

I always wanted a set but never seen them in shops
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Andmoreagain on August 01, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
Anyone have suggestions for bigger wheels for a pool/tranny set up? I currently ride 54mm Slime balls and i love em but im gonna need something bigger for the big board. Could just do 60mm slimes i guess...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2016, 01:20:03 PM
Anyone have suggestions for bigger wheels for a pool/tranny set up? I currently ride 54mm Slime balls and i love em but im gonna need something bigger for the big board. Could just do 60mm slimes i guess...

Concrete or wood?

SPFs in cement parks or Spit conicals 54+ 56 is the sweet spot for trucks with no risers and forged plates. Standards you can get away with 58s I'm pretty sure, or if you ride tight.

Also check out the Ricta NRG park crushers. So fast!

Pi wheels as well...big fan.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 01, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
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Those look rad Johnes,
To you guys that skate colored wheels, Do you find they shrink faster than whites wheels?
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I've never noticed that from colored wheels, I've had a few white and a few colored f4s and they seem to wear the same to me.
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I always found colored bones stfs to feel better than the off white. SPFs feel the same no matter what. Haven't tried colored F4s.

A friend once lent me spare Creature green STFs and they felt better than my white STFs by a bit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SodaJerk on August 02, 2016, 01:44:55 AM
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Those look rad Johnes,
To you guys that skate colored wheels, Do you find they shrink faster than whites wheels?
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I've never noticed that from colored wheels, I've had a few white and a few colored f4s and they seem to wear the same to me.
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I always found colored bones stfs to feel better than the off white. SPFs feel the same no matter what. Haven't tried colored F4s.
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A friend once lent me spare Creature green STFs and they felt better than my white STFs by a bit.
When I rode Bones I messed around with coloured ones for a bit and they felt a little grippier and less chalky when they slid. I preferred them until switching to F4's
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Phillip Flathead on August 02, 2016, 07:29:07 PM
Does anyone have any advice for a nice hard wheel for street that is good for power slides and isn't unusable on not so perfect roads?  My stf v3's are getting small after 8 months of hill bombs and powerslides and I'm looking for my next set.  How do spitfire f4 101a and those Ricta nrg 101's compare to stfs in regard to slidablility, grip, speed,  and handling on somewhat rough surfaces?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 02, 2016, 08:00:40 PM
 I would say PFC but on unperfect surfaces they'll rattle your fillings out
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Post by: Phillip Flathead on August 02, 2016, 08:05:19 PM
I would say PFC but on unperfect surfaces they'll rattle your fillings out

how would you describe them relative to stf's?  I mean stfs are my baseline so if it isn't any better that's acceptable, but if it's worse they probably won't be a great fit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2016, 08:39:00 PM
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I would say PFC but on unperfect surfaces they'll rattle your fillings out
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how would you describe them relative to stf's?  I mean stfs are my baseline so if it isn't any better that's acceptable, but if it's worse they probably won't be a great fit.

Spit F4s 101s will do you just fine on shit roads, I find them a tad grippier than STFs.

Rictas will feel harder and faster than both; slide wise I'd put them right in the middle, not as grippy as F4s but not as slippery as stf.

Never skated PFC.

Speed: Ricta>f4>stf (also, skate faster)
Grip: F4>Ricta>stf
Slide: bones/Ricta>F4


Bones break free faster than either and flatspot the least.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 02, 2016, 08:58:08 PM
F4 classic shape is all you need. Any surface, they're fine, 99 or 101, the difference isn't that great. They do everything you need them to.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on August 02, 2016, 09:02:53 PM
Does anyone have any advice for a nice hard wheel for street that is good for power slides and isn't unusable on not so perfect roads?  My stf v3's are getting small after 8 months of hill bombs and powerslides and I'm looking for my next set.  How do spitfire f4 101a and those Ricta nrg 101's compare to stfs in regard to slidablility, grip, speed,  and handling on somewhat rough surfaces?

It's all personal preference, but Autobahn wheels do everything I need them too. I've been skating Autobahn for years. I don't always skate smooth concrete parks either. I typically skate fucked up and harsh spots. I also like skating spot to spot on rough city roads.

There are more choices than Spitfire and Bones. It's all trial and error, finding out what works for you and what you want to support.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lonechicken on August 03, 2016, 06:44:44 AM
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i used to be a big ricta fan because these wheels are the hardest but it came to a point where i could not stand the immediate flatspotting anymore. last year i got some ricta speed rings to try out and flatspotted them in about 2 minutes. mind, the floor is very smooth and kinda invokes flatspotting (i have flatspotted f4's and stfs in a day there).
i want to ask if this energy thing is any better than the og ricta stuff and if it is i wouldn't mind giving it a try.
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What about how they feel? Anybody use speedrings long enough to give a definitive answer on whether that design leads to a smoother ride than typical wheels on the street?

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the place i usually skate has extremely smooth, mirror like floor. using those rictas there felt like i was skating clay wheels. very hard and slippery but this is what i like when it comes to skating smooth flat. i tried squeezing the "ring" in between the polyurethane and that felt like it was very solid, more like an inner core. i doubt they will be smoooth for street skating. its been ages since i skated a set of inner cores but these speed rings feel very similar to the cored rictas. rattly as fuck
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One of my favorite wheels were the chrome cores. Rattled your fucking teeth out they were so hard. Loud, hard and fast. Never flatted then and re-learned bluntslides on them.

Speedrings...I skated a pair on street, they felt great, less tooth jarring than the chrome cores...that said, that same day I rode them for all of 15min in a smooth park, ran into a chunk of mulch, it pitched me and flatted the shit out of them. Never touched a pair since.

NRG ridden two sets, still have them, love them, fast, loud and hard. The new speedrings are made with the NRG formula (my speed rings were the old formula).

I prefer Ricta NRG over everything really...wish they made a narrow speed ring as I am a fan of cored wheels. Would ride .sml of they weren't so damn grippy.


Good to know, thanks. Now to wait for them to release a set of green ones with the NRG formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on August 03, 2016, 09:47:01 AM
Sounds like spitfire 101's are going to be my best choice, I just have to figure out what shape.  If I want a 54 or 56mm wheel, what is the best all around shape?

Can't tell if this is a serious post. You are asking another skateboarder what is the best shape of a wheel in 54 or 56 for you?

Here is an entire thread dedicated to Spitfire Wheels: http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=68020.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=68020.0)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 11:26:47 AM
Spitfire F4 101's classic shape 53mm-54mm. Doesn't get any better. If you go with 56mm you're in riser territory.
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Post by: Phillip Flathead on August 03, 2016, 11:32:59 AM
Spitfire F4 101's classic shape 53mm-54mm. Doesn't get any better. If you go with 56mm you're in riser territory.

Thanks for the input
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 03, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
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Spitfire F4 101's classic shape 53mm-54mm. Doesn't get any better. If you go with 56mm you're in riser territory.
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Thanks for the input

If you are thinking of going past 54mm I'd suggest going for radials or conicals (full, slim, whateverthefuck) over classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 03:22:13 PM
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Spitfire F4 101's classic shape 53mm-54mm. Doesn't get any better. If you go with 56mm you're in riser territory.
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Thanks for the input
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If you are thinking of going past 54mm I'd suggest going for radials or conicals (full, slim, whateverthefuck) over classics.

Definitely, I feel like with bigger wheels ya gotta go with a shape. It would be like buying a 9.5" popsicle deck...why? Go with the shape!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 06, 2016, 11:45:09 AM
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Spitfire F4 101's classic shape 53mm-54mm. Doesn't get any better. If you go with 56mm you're in riser territory.
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Thanks for the input
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If you are thinking of going past 54mm I'd suggest going for radials or conicals (full, slim, whateverthefuck) over classics.
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Definitely, I feel like with bigger wheels ya gotta go with a shape. It would be like buying a 9.5" popsicle deck...why? Go with the shape!

Ask BMC ;P
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Post by: Main on August 06, 2016, 07:38:09 PM
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Spitfire F4 101's classic shape 53mm-54mm. Doesn't get any better. If you go with 56mm you're in riser territory.
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Thanks for the input
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If you are thinking of going past 54mm I'd suggest going for radials or conicals (full, slim, whateverthefuck) over classics.
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Definitely, I feel like with bigger wheels ya gotta go with a shape. It would be like buying a 9.5" popsicle deck...why? Go with the shape!
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Ask BMC ;P

Steve gets a pass cause he's a rad dude.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 08, 2016, 03:05:32 PM
I was there for Steve's 9 phase. It was a fun month.

Anyone know anything about the sml "ag" formula? Can't find any info, even a durometer.

Where you at Cliff?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: max power on August 08, 2016, 07:45:15 PM
I liked the Insane-a-thane I had fine, but got a set of the Ricta Curren Caples NRG's. They are great, they might even be better than the 101 F4's, which have been the yardstick for me for years now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on August 08, 2016, 08:02:34 PM
Do the insane-a-thanes wear down/flat spot fast? I picked up a set of 53mm 99a cause they were on sale and I was ordering some other shit. Haven't tried em out yet though.

Not too picky about wheels. In the last year I've ridden pigs, F4s, Spit classics, mini logo. Live in Taiwan, so I just ride whatever I can get. Just want something hard/fast and won't wear down in a matter of weeks. I like most NHS products though, so I figured I'd try some OJ's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deekay on August 09, 2016, 04:32:17 AM
Spitfire F4 101's classic shape 53mm-54mm. Doesn't get any better. If you go with 56mm you're in riser territory.

I just gotta ventilate on these again.

I ride the 53's and I never would have imagined a wheel could make such a huge positive difference. Super fast, grippy when you need them to be on any surface but slide super easy whenever you want them to on any surface (haven't tried indoors, but "slippery" concrete). I can't imagine anything being as good or better than these.. So to anyone contemplating whether to get them or not, do it and be sold forever.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on August 24, 2016, 12:27:39 PM
I was there for Steve's 9 phase. It was a fun month.

Anyone know anything about the sml "ag" formula? Can't find any info, even a durometer.

Where you at Cliff?

Haha damn I never come in this zone.

the AG formula is basically closer to a Spitfire feel, 99A Duro. He loves that they have a little less rebound and slide a bit easier.

Also of the dudes on the team love them me personally I like our OG formula it's closer to a Bones STF.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 24, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
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I was there for Steve's 9 phase. It was a fun month.

Anyone know anything about the sml "ag" formula? Can't find any info, even a durometer.

Where you at Cliff?
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Haha damn I never come in this zone.

the AG formula is basically closer to a Spitfire feel, 99A Duro. He loves that they have a little less rebound and slide a bit easier.

Also of the dudes on the team love them me personally I like our OG formula it's closer to a Bones STF.

Thanks for the heads up! I ended up getting them anyway, been on them for like 2 weeks, love them, no complaints. They seem faster than 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 25, 2016, 07:41:14 AM
F4 classic shape is all you need. Any surface, they're fine, 99 or 101, the difference isn't that great. They do everything you need them to.
I like my wheels as hard as diamonds. I usually under rotate a lot of my tricks too, so the more a wheels slides for me the better haha.

That is why I have been riding STFs for years.


 As for the shape? V3s every time. Love a skinny wheel but prefer rounder wheels to squareish. V3s are everything I look for in a wheel.

Spitfire's classic shape is WAAAY to wide for my tastes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 25, 2016, 09:11:51 AM
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I like my wheels as hard as diamonds. I usually under rotate a lot of my tricks too, so the more a wheels slides for me the better haha.

That is why I have been riding STFs for years.


 As for the shape? V3s every time. Love a skinny wheel but prefer rounder wheels to squareish. V3s are everything I look for in a wheel.

Spitfire's classic shape is WAAAY to wide for my tastes.

Hard as diamonds? Ricta.

Classic spits are like tennis balls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 25, 2016, 10:55:22 PM
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F4 classic shape is all you need. Any surface, they're fine, 99 or 101, the difference isn't that great. They do everything you need them to.
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I like my wheels as hard as diamonds. I usually under rotate a lot of my tricks too, so the more a wheels slides for me the better haha.

That is why I have been riding STFs for years.


 As for the shape? V3s every time. Love a skinny wheel but prefer rounder wheels to squareish. V3s are everything I look for in a wheel.

Spitfire's classic shape is WAAAY to wide for my tastes.
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Hard as diamonds? Ricta.

Classic spits are like tennis balls.

Really? I haven't had a Ricta since the boltz (my shop had some on sale) so I may be wrong, but I always remember Rictas being 81B and STFs are 83B. Are you saying that Ricta makes wheels harder than 83B!


Also that Spitfire comment made me chuckle. So true!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 29, 2016, 02:29:25 PM
I know some guys here mess with Satori, but the only place i could find them was direct from them, and they're $$$. More than F4s. Price turned me off, otherwise I'd be down to try them again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on August 29, 2016, 02:31:31 PM
I know some guys here mess with Satori, but the only place i could find them was direct from them, and they're $$$. More than F4s. Price turned me off, otherwise I'd be down to try them again.

Agreed brother. Buying direct from Culture Skate puts the price around $40 which is a little excessive for wheels. Truthfully? I know this sucks to say but check Amazon. Depending what size you are looking for you will find them there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 29, 2016, 05:35:10 PM
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Agreed brother. Buying direct from Culture Skate puts the price around $40 which is a little excessive for wheels. Truthfully? I know this sucks to say but check Amazon. Depending what size you are looking for you will find them there.
Some of these prices are ridiculously low (and with Prime)
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=satori+wheels (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=satori+wheels)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on September 01, 2016, 08:01:21 PM
Does anyone have any advice for a nice hard wheel for street that is good for power slides and isn't unusable on not so perfect roads?  My stf v3's are getting small after 8 months of hill bombs and powerslides and I'm looking for my next set.  How do spitfire f4 101a and those Ricta nrg 101's compare to stfs in regard to slidablility, grip, speed,  and handling on somewhat rough surfaces?

Just stick to stf.  I try lots of wheels.  The rebound keeps you going.  Everything else slows down considerably more when you hit the less perfect asphalt or metal grating etc.  Can't speak on the rictas and want to try some.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on September 07, 2016, 08:06:51 AM
I'd be interested in trying out those new AG sml. wheels whenever they come out. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: VCR on September 07, 2016, 08:44:32 AM
Is there a new Ag formula? The second Grocery Bag series they did is the best wheel I have ever had.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 07, 2016, 09:11:28 AM
Yea I have the AG formula "Grocery Bag" v-cuts and I loooooove these things.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on September 07, 2016, 09:19:55 AM
Is there a new Ag formula? The second Grocery Bag series they did is the best wheel I have ever had.

http://www.instagram.com/p/BJ_rxnuBnii/?taken-by=smlwheels (http://www.instagram.com/p/BJ_rxnuBnii/?taken-by=smlwheels)

I like the look of the wider shape on the right
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 07, 2016, 10:06:19 AM
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http://www.instagram.com/p/BJ_rxnuBnii/?taken-by=smlwheels (http://www.instagram.com/p/BJ_rxnuBnii/?taken-by=smlwheels)

I like the look of the wider shape on the right
That's the v-cut, same thing I have just different graphics. They're similar to conical fulls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on September 07, 2016, 10:10:55 AM
thanks for the knowledge
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: VCR on September 07, 2016, 10:31:08 AM
While we are on the topic of SML wheels. I got these a couple weeks ago and I thought they would be the usual SML formula but was I wrong. They are pretty much a cruiser wheel. Be advised!

(http://thumbs4.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/152150889031_/SML-Wheels-Austyn-Gillette-Donta-Wide-Cut-Skateboard.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lmaopercs on September 09, 2016, 11:38:53 PM
How do you guys feel about the Spitfire Chargers? Are they good cruisers? I like that they're regular shaped wheels, haven't ordered them yet.
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Post by: Roisto on September 10, 2016, 12:29:53 AM
How do you guys feel about the Spitfire Chargers? Are they good cruisers? I like that they're regular shaped wheels, haven't ordered them yet.

I've got a set. Only briefly tried them so far and with different bearings than on my current cruiser wheels (OJ Keyframes), so take this with a grain of salt, but I much preferred the OJs. Smoother and faster ride on the OJs. Both equally grippy and bouncy, I'd say.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on September 10, 2016, 01:23:26 AM
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How do you guys feel about the Spitfire Chargers? Are they good cruisers? I like that they're regular shaped wheels, haven't ordered them yet.
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I've got a set. Only briefly tried them so far and with different bearings than on my current cruiser wheels (OJ Keyframes), so take this with a grain of salt, but I much preferred the OJs. Smoother and faster ride on the OJs. Both equally grippy and bouncy, I'd say.
Keyframes are life.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on September 13, 2016, 01:52:51 PM
While we are on the topic of SML wheels. I got these a couple weeks ago and I thought they would be the usual SML formula but was I wrong. They are pretty much a cruiser wheel. Be advised!

(http://thumbs4.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/152150889031_/SML-Wheels-Austyn-Gillette-Donta-Wide-Cut-Skateboard.jpg)

Check your DM's homie, let's get that fixed!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on September 14, 2016, 09:21:15 PM
Hey guys I recently came up on some Keyframes, and I would like to know how well do they slide?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Avon on September 14, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
Hey guys I recently came up on some Keyframes, and I would like to know how well do they slide?

really hard to slide them if at all. Your not gonna be bombing a hill and just busting slides on these, no way. I can't ride any other wheel now though. I bought some formula fours because I missed powersliding a lot but couldn't stand the feel of them after being on keyframes for a year. Hated all the feedback from hard wheels, feet vibrating, loud, etc.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 14, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
here's a set of sml. AG 53mm v cut next to some Spitfire F4 53mm conical full



I saw SML had these coming out, was really curious as to the shape, they're some new forumla for SMLor something if i remember right
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on September 14, 2016, 10:17:58 PM
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Hey guys I recently came up on some Keyframes, and I would like to know how well do they slide?
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really hard to slide them if at all. Your not gonna be bombing a hill and just busting slides on these, no way. I can't ride any other wheel now though. I bought some formula fours because I missed powersliding a lot but couldn't stand the feel of them after being on keyframes for a year. Hated all the feedback from hard wheels, feet vibrating, loud, etc.

If you're looking for a softer, slideable wheel, I've been using Mini Logo 90a (56mm) on my cruiser for a while now. They roll down fucked up streets and sidewalks well enough and still offer some slide. Spitfire Soft D's might be worth checking out too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on September 15, 2016, 07:01:37 AM
you can get keyframes to slide. all wheels will slide with the right technique. eat some more cake and put a bit of weight into it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 16, 2016, 02:46:53 PM
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F4 classic shape is all you need. Any surface, they're fine, 99 or 101, the difference isn't that great. They do everything you need them to.
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I like my wheels as hard as diamonds. I usually under rotate a lot of my tricks too, so the more a wheels slides for me the better haha.

That is why I have been riding STFs for years.


 As for the shape? V3s every time. Love a skinny wheel but prefer rounder wheels to squareish. V3s are everything I look for in a wheel.

Spitfire's classic shape is WAAAY to wide for my tastes.
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Hard as diamonds? Ricta.

Classic spits are like tennis balls.

I have ridden skinny ass STFs for long and I can get these for pretty cheap but they are really wide? While I think that wider wheels look way cooler, what are the advantages for a wider wheel? Do they still slide as good? I don't want to pull the trigger on an impulse.


https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels (https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels)


edit: After a little research I just got them. Only $18.99 though so no harm done. Hell I might even ike them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 21, 2016, 08:35:59 AM
After skating a set of STFs for almost more than a year now, the bearing seats in a couple of the wheels are wearing out, so now the bearings don't stay put and they pop out super easily. If I take a wheel and smack it against my hand sideways the bearing easily will pop out into my hand, that's how bad it is.
I took em off my setup and set up some Pigs I had laying around that I've been saving for a while. Kinda wanted to ride the STFs out a bit longer and save the Pigs for later, but I wasn't expecting this bearing seat issue to happen.

So far I'm digging the Pigs a lot. First set I've had in years. They used to be my favorite wheels back in the day when they were more popular; these days they seem a bit more low key. They feel better than I remember them being too; not sure if they changed up their formula or what, but it almost feels like I'm riding a spit classic formula wheel. I'm diggin it.
(http://brandscycle.com/merchant/278/images/zoom/thecount54mm.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on September 22, 2016, 03:18:06 AM
After skating a set of STFs for almost more than a year now, the bearing seats in a couple of the wheels are wearing out, so now the bearings don't stay put and they pop out super easily. If I take a wheel and smack it against my hand sideways the bearing easily will pop out into my hand, that's how bad it is.
I took em off my setup and set up some Pigs I had laying around that I've been saving for a while. Kinda wanted to ride the STFs out a bit longer and save the Pigs for later, but I wasn't expecting this bearing seat issue to happen.

So far I'm digging the Pigs a lot. First set I've had in years. They used to be my favorite wheels back in the day when they were more popular; these days they seem a bit more low key. They feel better than I remember them being too; not sure if they changed up their formula or what, but it almost feels like I'm riding a spit classic formula wheel. I'm diggin it.
(http://brandscycle.com/merchant/278/images/zoom/thecount54mm.jpg)

the reason i have quit using bones. happened to 3-4 different sets of mine and to the two sets my mate got but only after a few weeks in, not a full year.
someone also claimed i was an industry guy because i said these things haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 22, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
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the reason i have quit using bones. happened to 3-4 different sets of mine and to the two sets my mate got but only after a few weeks in, not a full year.
someone also claimed i was an industry guy because i said these things haha
I've actually had this happen back in 08 on a set of STF V2 53mms right off the bat, like a month in; not super bad like how it is now but still bad enough to be bothersome to me and effect my setup. Had to take em off. Had like 5-6 sets of STFs since then and never really encountered that problem again up until this recent set, but then again i usually only ride my wheels for six months or so before I get new ones, but with this set I wanted to run em until they were dust, so maybe it's a problem that happens with STFs when they start wearing down that's more common than I thought, but I just never noticed because I always end up switching em out or giving em away before it happens.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on September 22, 2016, 11:16:15 AM
I've been skating a set of the Ricta NRG park crushers that are 53mm and I can't find another set of them anywhere. So I've been thinking about getting a set of the regular Ricta NRG's that are 53mm. Does anyone happen to know how big of a difference there is in terms of the hardness between the two? I've also been contemplating Spitfire F4 101a's. I've skated F4 99a and I liked them but they were a little soft for my blood.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 22, 2016, 12:33:16 PM
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F4 classic shape is all you need. Any surface, they're fine, 99 or 101, the difference isn't that great. They do everything you need them to.
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I like my wheels as hard as diamonds. I usually under rotate a lot of my tricks too, so the more a wheels slides for me the better haha.

That is why I have been riding STFs for years.


 As for the shape? V3s every time. Love a skinny wheel but prefer rounder wheels to squareish. V3s are everything I look for in a wheel.

Spitfire's classic shape is WAAAY to wide for my tastes.
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Hard as diamonds? Ricta.

Classic spits are like tennis balls.
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I have ridden skinny ass STFs for long and I can get these for pretty cheap but they are really wide? While I think that wider wheels look way cooler, what are the advantages for a wider wheel? Do they still slide as good? I don't want to pull the trigger on an impulse.


https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels (https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels)


edit: After a little research I just got them. Only $18.99 though so no harm done. Hell I might even ike them.

OK so these Rictas are amazing.  They feel just as hard as my bones ( but feel less plasticky) and the surface area that you actually slide on seems only the tiniest bit wider than my bones even though the overall shape of the wheel is a lot more squared off then the bones. So I haven't really noticed a difference with the slide but I actually really like the conical-esc shape.   Plus these things feel fast as hell.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on September 22, 2016, 02:26:37 PM
No wheels need to exist besides Spitfire Formula 4's. All others are obsolete. If you're contemplating the 101a's go for it and you'll never skate another wheel. Even if you try out an OJ or Pig at 101a it's like skating a crappy set of Bones 99's or Spitfire Classics. No one else makes a formula better than the 4's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on September 22, 2016, 07:27:28 PM
No wheels need to exist besides Spitfire Formula 4's. All others are obsolete. If you're contemplating the 101a's go for it and you'll never skate another wheel. Even if you try out an OJ or Pig at 101a it's like skating a crappy set of Bones 99's or Spitfire Classics. No one else makes a formula better than the 4's.

K, thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 23, 2016, 06:26:28 PM

I have ridden skinny ass STFs for long and I can get these for pretty cheap but they are really wide? While I think that wider wheels look way cooler, what are the advantages for a wider wheel? Do they still slide as good? I don't want to pull the trigger on an impulse.


https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels (https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels)


edit: After a little research I just got them. Only $18.99 though so no harm done. Hell I might even ike them.

OK so these Rictas are amazing.  They feel just as hard as my bones ( but feel less plasticky) and the surface area that you actually slide on seems only the tiniest bit wider than my bones even though the overall shape of the wheel is a lot more squared off then the bones. So I haven't really noticed a difference with the slide but I actually really like the conical-esc shape.   Plus these things feel fast as hell.
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I told you! =D

I've been skating a set of the Ricta NRG park crushers that are 53mm and I can't find another set of them anywhere. So I've been thinking about getting a set of the regular Ricta NRG's that are 53mm. Does anyone happen to know how big of a difference there is in terms of the hardness between the two? I've also been contemplating Spitfire F4 101a's. I've skated F4 99a and I liked them but they were a little soft for my blood.

Crushers/naturals are the only 101

http://rictawheels.com/catalog (http://rictawheels.com/catalog)

The 99a wheels are crazy hard for a 99a, especially when you compare them to spits. Night and Day.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 23, 2016, 10:48:49 PM
I got a set of Ricta speed rings on the cheap, same NRG formula, they're super fast, grippy, and they BARK. I like them but they're so plasticy white, they look straight off of a toys r us complete.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 24, 2016, 04:18:03 AM


I told you! =D

And thank you for that. I can't remember the last time I was this happy with a set of wheels!

PS I thought all Rictas were 81B which is like 102A right? Well even if they are 99A they feel way harder than any other 99 wheel I've ever had.




I got a set of Ricta speed rings... they're so plasticy white, they look straight off of a toys r us complete.
Yeah they look un-naturally white but I kind of love it haha.


Edit: If you are curious about what I/Level 60 are talking about, Here are my NRG's before they were ever ridden.


(http://s16.postimg.org/5vmo11fg5/IMG_0839.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 24, 2016, 10:33:51 AM
They yellow up some, my nrgs look like old bones now, that off white dirty cream color.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on September 26, 2016, 07:44:02 PM
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I have ridden skinny ass STFs for long and I can get these for pretty cheap but they are really wide? While I think that wider wheels look way cooler, what are the advantages for a wider wheel? Do they still slide as good? I don't want to pull the trigger on an impulse.


https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels (https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/item/22221719/ricta/52mm-pro-nrg-louie-lopez-81b-wheels)


edit: After a little research I just got them. Only $18.99 though so no harm done. Hell I might even ike them.
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OK so these Rictas are amazing.  They feel just as hard as my bones ( but feel less plasticky) and the surface area that you actually slide on seems only the tiniest bit wider than my bones even though the overall shape of the wheel is a lot more squared off then the bones. So I haven't really noticed a difference with the slide but I actually really like the conical-esc shape.   Plus these things feel fast as hell.
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I told you! =D

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I've been skating a set of the Ricta NRG park crushers that are 53mm and I can't find another set of them anywhere. So I've been thinking about getting a set of the regular Ricta NRG's that are 53mm. Does anyone happen to know how big of a difference there is in terms of the hardness between the two? I've also been contemplating Spitfire F4 101a's. I've skated F4 99a and I liked them but they were a little soft for my blood.
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Crushers/naturals are the only 101

http://rictawheels.com/catalog (http://rictawheels.com/catalog)

The 99a wheels are crazy hard for a 99a, especially when you compare them to spits. Night and Day.



F4's are probably the softest "101" out there, and 99's feel like what 98a or 97a should be!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on September 27, 2016, 12:09:13 AM

Crushers/naturals are the only 101

http://rictawheels.com/catalog (http://rictawheels.com/catalog)

The 99a wheels are crazy hard for a 99a, especially when you compare them to spits. Night and Day.


Thank you! I don't know why the naturals never caught my eye but the 101's are almost the same wheel I've been looking for it seems.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Phillip Flathead on October 09, 2016, 09:40:01 PM
Picked up a pair of 99a conical full f4's from my local shop today and holy hell they are a thousand times better than stfs
Somehow they have more grip and way less harsh feel than stfs while still being just as fast or faster and having a better slide. I know a million people have said it but they really do feel more like urethane than plastic. No flat spots even with long slides to a dead stop too. Unless these things disintegrate I'm never going back to stfs again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 27, 2016, 03:18:15 AM
Everyone I really need your help, are ricta naturals any good since they're the NRG formula now and which hardness would be closest to a bones stf? Or which one is grippier 99 or 101 and that could be a rookie/kook question but in my opinion and experience formula fours feel more slippery than bones stf

I was riding formula fours for the last maybe year and a half or 2 years and a few months ago stepped back on stf's and idk they felt grippier and more street adapted in grip to slid ability

Formula fours feel like real urethane but at the same time they felt so slippery to me or too grippy(classics&radial are too slippery and conicals too grippy)

But yeah in general, which ricta natural 99 or 101 feels like an stf ? I ask because you guys bought me with that NRG formula actually being fast
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Turtle Boy on October 27, 2016, 07:07:17 AM
I see all you guys talking about 101A or 99 durometers, you guys realize there is nothing as a 101A? It's pure marketing and comparing a 99 from a brand to another 99 from another brand is comparing blackberries and raspberries, they are kinda close but not really.
The wheel game is fucked.
Stiffness, grippyness, weight, abrasion resistance differ from one brand to another even if they are both 99A. I'm almost positive that colored F4 must have slightly different physical properties than natural F4, due to the use of pigments.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on October 27, 2016, 04:21:08 PM
I see all you guys talking about 101A or 99 durometers, you guys realize there is nothing as a 101A? It's pure marketing.....
...The A scale does not go up to 101. But that doesn't mean a wheel isn't harder than 100A. They're just saying 101 because the A scale is what has been the standard and they don't feel like using the B scale.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 27, 2016, 05:41:55 PM
Ricta 99a (everything but naturals which are 101, and the one pro wheel at 98...talk about splitting hairs there) -  grippy and fast. Much faster than spits (any shape, any duro).

F4s feel great, like mentioned in another post, they feel like old school urethane, which is awesome but I find them slower (in parks) than say an STF or Ricta and just wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide. I've tried just about all shapes and duro combos except full conical 99a, which I assume to be akin to skating on apples, slow and mushy. The duros seem much too soft.

OJ insane-a-thane, shitty name/marketing be damned, are my new favorite wheel - just picked up a set of 101a hardlines (park shape, i.e. spit conical/SPF P5 shape/my fav shape). Been skating the ez-edge wheel, which is a traditional 'street' shape, e.g., spit classics, bones V1 - Fast, grippy, slide great and chirp nicely. I like them better than my 99a rictas as they are a lilttle less grippy. They feel great on both rough/smooth street and parks (much like STFs are the same way); they feel right in the middle of ricta and spits to me.

The insane-a-thane is a totally different formula than the slow ass regular OJ thane; night and day difference. I've seen more and more insane a thanes at my park which is usually indy/ace/bones/spit.

SPFs are fast and hard but too slick for me since I tend to go fast and slide out. Same with STFs

Autobahn - too grippy for me, tho the 100a formula is quite nice on a thin wheel

The comment about colored than is on point, any colored wheel I've ever skated has always felt different; in the case of colored STFs, they felt better.

They all flat spot, just figure out what you need: do you slide all your tricks that extra 45? Rerverts? Blunt slides? ledge shit? Get a slidey wheel...just drops and rails? Find a shape that locks in and feels good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on October 27, 2016, 05:42:48 PM
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I see all you guys talking about 101A or 99 durometers, you guys realize there is nothing as a 101A? It's pure marketing.....
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...The A scale does not go up to 101. But that doesn't mean a wheel isn't harder than 100A. They're just saying 101 because the A scale is what has been the standard and they don't feel like using the B scale.

Exactly. Skate some 99a F4's for awhile and then throw on some 101a's and you'll feel a big difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 27, 2016, 06:02:25 PM
OJ insane-a-thane, shitty name/marketing be damned, are my new favorite wheel - just picked up a set of 101a hardlines (park shape, i.e. spit conical/SPF P5 shape/my fav shape). Been skating the ez-edge wheel, which is a traditional 'street' shape, e.g., spit classics, bones V1 - Fast, grippy, slide great and chirp nicely. I like them better than my 99a rictas as they are a lilttle less grippy. They feel great on both rough/smooth street and parks (much like STFs are the same way); they feel right in the middle of ricta and spits to me.

The insane-a-thane is a totally different formula than the slow ass regular OJ thane; night and day difference. I've seen more and more insane a thanes at my park which is usually indy/ace/bones/spit.

Autobahn - too grippy for me, tho the 100a formula is quite nice on a thin wheel

Autobahn Brezinski Union wheel is my current favorite. Nice thin shape and says it's the same 100 duro as they use on their other wheels but it doesn't feel like it to me. Slides are easier and they feel faster.

To the OJ point, couldn't agree more. The Insane-a-thane is all around superior to their original formula. I don't know why they just don't make all their wheels with the Insane formula bc it's not even close. I had some Dela's in original and they felt gummy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 27, 2016, 06:12:01 PM
Ricta 99a (everything but naturals which are 101, and the one pro wheel at 98...talk about splitting hairs there) -� grippy and fast. Much faster than spits (any shape, any duro).

F4s feel great, like mentioned in another post, they feel like old school urethane, which is awesome but I find them slower (in parks) than say an STF or Ricta and just wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide. I've tried just about all shapes and duro combos except full conical 99a, which I assume to be akin to skating on apples, slow and mushy. The duros seem much too soft.

OJ insane-a-thane, shitty name/marketing be damned, are my new favorite wheel - just picked up a set of 101a hardlines (park shape, i.e. spit conical/SPF P5 shape/my fav shape). Been skating the ez-edge wheel, which is a traditional 'street' shape, e.g., spit classics, bones V1 - Fast, grippy, slide great and chirp nicely. I like them better than my 99a rictas as they are a lilttle less grippy. They feel great on both rough/smooth street and parks (much like STFs are the same way); they feel right in the middle of ricta and spits to me.

The insane-a-thane is a totally different formula than the slow ass regular OJ thane; night and day difference. I've seen more and more insane a thanes at my park which is usually indy/ace/bones/spit.

SPFs are fast and hard but too slick for me since I tend to go fast and slide out. Same with STFs

Autobahn - too grippy for me, tho the 100a formula is quite nice on a thin wheel

The comment about colored than is on point, any colored wheel I've ever skated has always felt different; in the case of colored STFs, they felt better.

They all flat spot, just figure out what you need: do you slide all your tricks that extra 45? Rerverts? Blunt slides? ledge shit? Get a slidey wheel...just drops and rails? Find a shape that locks in and feels good.

NOICE! I've got 99 radial slims sitting on ice and now your review of 99 F4s plus the bearing story the other day is getting me worried :o I'm sure they'll be fine!

PFC you want HARD street wheels? these should be your go to. At 37 years of age PFCs tend to rattle my teeth a bit too much but if Leo Valls has trouble flat spotting them then you know you're pretty much set! Shapes feel like classic spitty shapes, nothing too out there. Also won't turn that shitty yellow colour even after a year or two
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 27, 2016, 06:23:45 PM
I've never had bearing seat issues except for a bad pour on some satoris. Not sure what the spitfire bearing seat thing is - even looking at the diagram, I couldn't figure out what the issue was as it looked normal to me?

Spitfire F4s are awesome, just not hard enough for me, even the 101s.

Gummy is for sure the right word for the 'other OJ formula, Heritage...

I picked up a set of OJs,The Classy Smoke Delatorre Wheels, 53mm, Side Cut Profile (bad ass shape) and they were the slowest thing I've ridden, probably good for shitty streets tho, or ditches...SLOWEST urethane ever:

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/oj-wheels-classy-smoke-delatorre-101a-skateboard-wheels-53mm-p24500 (https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/oj-wheels-classy-smoke-delatorre-101a-skateboard-wheels-53mm-p24500)

My guess is, NHS has a ton of poured wheels sitting around and screen them as they need them to use theme up. I'd imagine some duded like the slower thane, Rowely/Jesse ride that shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on October 27, 2016, 09:25:41 PM

 except full conical 99a, which I assume to be akin to skating on apples, slow and mushy. The duros seem much too soft



Funny you should mention that. I'm on some worn down F4 99a 56mm Conical Fulls right now and I can't get over how fast they feel. Skated Burnside the other day and had more speed than I knew what to do with...

Its going to take one hell of a wheel to get me off F4s. Personal fav shapes are Classics and Radials. Love both the 99a and 101as but find the 99a a bit more versatile for my tastes....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jake From State Farm on October 27, 2016, 09:56:04 PM
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 except full conical 99a, which I assume to be akin to skating on apples, slow and mushy. The duros seem much too soft


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Funny you should mention that. I'm on some worn down F4 99a 56mm Conical Fulls right now and I can't get over how fast they feel. Skated Burnside the other day and had more speed than I knew what to do with...

Its going to take one hell of a wheel to get me off F4s. Personal fav shapes are Classics and Radials. Love both the 99a and 101as but find the 99a a bit more versatile for my tastes....

Same. I skate slappy curbs and smooth parks and these things are still going after what I think to be a few years. They're a Lance Mountain wheel from a while ago. Really fast, durable wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2016, 11:52:58 AM
I like my wheels as hard as they make them. I'm going with these next.

https://goo.gl/photos/UMGFGQLQu8RYzBhN6 (https://goo.gl/photos/UMGFGQLQu8RYzBhN6)

For some fucking reason I can't embed images anymore...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on October 28, 2016, 08:05:31 PM
I like my wheels as hard as they make them. I'm going with these next.

https://goo.gl/photos/UMGFGQLQu8RYzBhN6 (https://goo.gl/photos/UMGFGQLQu8RYzBhN6)

For some fucking reason I can't embed images anymore...

Yup, those rictas should suit you just fine!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on October 28, 2016, 08:08:51 PM
Ricta "Rocks" Formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2016, 12:14:46 PM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/gheepup/junk/rocks/alvarocks1.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on October 29, 2016, 12:54:19 PM
Well I'll be a shit covered dick...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on October 29, 2016, 01:20:46 PM
For me it's a process of trying all kinds of wheels then going back to STFs (V5).  They're simply the fastest on asphalt and actual streets and I cruise around a lot.  I did pick up some ricta natural 101's because of this thread and a good memory from 15 years ago regarding some rictas.  The sheer whiteness triggered an ocd so on a whim i threw them in some hot black coffee for like 15 minutes.  5 probably would have sufficed.  They look a bit like new F4s and smell great.  But it'll be a minute as i just set up some new bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on October 29, 2016, 01:43:16 PM
I definitely know what you mean about wheels smelling good. That's actually the most important factor for me. Some shops use air fresheners and it gives the wheels a natural scent of the room. Some other skate shops are old and musty so I take my new wheels home and give them a nice spritz of lavender. Nice calming effect when I pick up my board and it wafts into my nostrils.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on October 29, 2016, 08:42:23 PM
I been digging the insane-a-thanes a lot. They remind me of spit classics--with more of a squeeky/grippy slide to them. They white as fuck too.

Been on em for about two months now. No issues with flat-spotting or bearing seats. Just kind of bummed that one of the wheels got a huge chip like the third time I skated em.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on October 29, 2016, 09:56:17 PM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/gheepup/junk/rocks/alvarocks1.jpg)

We used to change them to fucks.....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 29, 2016, 10:43:43 PM
For me it's a process of trying all kinds of wheels then going back to STFs (V5).  They're simply the fastest on asphalt and actual streets and I cruise around a lot.  I did pick up some ricta natural 101's because of this thread and a good memory from 15 years ago regarding some rictas.  The sheer whiteness triggered an ocd so on a whim i threw them in some hot black coffee for like 15 minutes.  5 probably would have sufficed.  They look a bit like new F4s and smell great.  But it'll be a minute as i just set up some new bones.

oooo i cant wait to hear your feedabck man, cause i also just slapped on some stf v5s and i love bones stf for everything they are but i love spit classics too and wanna see which one suits better for me but have never had the guts to try other wheels like ricta, i got a set of ojś from a friend in a classic shape and 99a  but they werent much but a slower more durable spit classic basically. i love spit classics cause they rebound/bounce/are soft on impact and how grippy they are but stf are just like, street wheels on crack. grippy but slidy but not too slidy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 20matar on October 30, 2016, 01:33:39 PM
What do you guys have to say about Spitfire F1s? Are they really good, just OK, or somewhere in between? Better than Bones STF? I could get a set of them for an acceptable price...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 30, 2016, 02:08:36 PM
What do you guys have to say about Spitfire F1s? Are they really good, just OK, or somewhere in between? Better than Bones STF? I could get a set of them for an acceptable price...

They've got to be pretty old, so idk man.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jordick on October 30, 2016, 02:34:01 PM
What do you guys have to say about Spitfire F1s? Are they really good, just OK, or somewhere in between? Better than Bones STF? I could get a set of them for an acceptable price...
I'd say they're in between good and ok. Really don't like bones, but those would hold up better than the f1's. I'd still go with the f1's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 20matar on October 30, 2016, 03:13:58 PM
Blergh, lost the ones I really wanted... 53mm. There's a 52mm set, but I'm guessing that I should just pass. Not because of a single milimeter, but because I'll try to get family to bring me some of the good stuff from the US next year. I'd rather save up and make a nice purchase. Like a set of Formula Fours!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2016, 09:57:57 PM
What do you guys have to say about Spitfire F1s? Are they really good, just OK, or somewhere in between? Better than Bones STF? I could get a set of them for an acceptable price...

Honestly I think F1s are just classic Thane with a marketing. They feel identical.
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 31, 2016, 01:07:59 AM
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What do you guys have to say about Spitfire F1s? Are they really good, just OK, or somewhere in between? Better than Bones STF? I could get a set of them for an acceptable price...
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Honestly I think F1s are just classic Thane with a marketing. They feel identical.
 

sorry but i would have to disagree, F1 are hard, like hard with rattling when you hit rough streets and theres no absorbing the rebound just taking it.

classics are responsive and grippy and take a moment to slide but that softer street wheel feel is nice, the rough streets are somewhat absorbed but in the end formula fours and stfs just handle it all best
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 02, 2016, 01:34:49 PM
was talking about ricta today and i brought up the fact that B.A rode for them and my friend didnt believe me. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chillclinton87 on November 03, 2016, 09:04:08 AM
was talking about ricta today and i brought up the fact that B.A rode for them and my friend didnt believe me. 

wow i did not remember that  :o

but didn't heath and BA ride for monster trucks too?

this rather be in the "forgotten sponsors" thread
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Upgrayedd on November 10, 2016, 05:58:29 AM
Just got some of the 54mm Schmitty Ojs wheels. I think they're 87a. Nothing fancy, it's a good soft wheel if you're not into the long shape like the OJ hot juice. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on November 10, 2016, 07:13:18 AM
Just went back to my second pair Ricta Speed Rings after messing around with some bones SPF for while.

They are noticeably faster than any other wheel I've ridden. I still have the same indy black bearings and the difference is crazy. They feel harder than other wheels, almost plastic like, but that could be because they are still newish. They have a strong smack sound when you hit the ground, almost like they don't absorb anything. They are super slick, so if your hop in a bowl or park, you're gonna have to remember to compensate in those corners. If you like you slide you're in luck.

I'm riding 53s. they are slightly slimmer than other bones, spit, pig and OJ. Autobahn makes the slimmest I've seen in person recently.

if you want the fastest wheel, Ricta's are great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on November 10, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Anyone know what's up with Ricta changing from 81b to 98-99a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 10, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
Anyone know what's up with Ricta changing from 81b to 98-99a?
Not sure but my guess is marketing
Everyone uses the a system and b isn't as easy to translate because, people see a smaller number and misinterpret them as soft wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GinosGroceries on November 10, 2016, 11:47:14 PM
Are there any tablet shaped wheels out now other than the Bones V2?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Phillip Flathead on November 12, 2016, 08:14:01 AM
Are there any tablet shaped wheels out now other than the Bones V2?
Spitfire makes f4 99 and 101 in a radial slum that is pretty similar
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 12, 2016, 12:40:34 PM
Are there any tablet shaped wheels out now other than the Bones V2?

BMCSteve hooked me up with a set of Ricta Westgate NRG about a year ago and they were great. They are about as close to that V2 tablet shape as you'll find. I might actually look at another set of them at some point. Really nice wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GinosGroceries on November 12, 2016, 03:06:47 PM
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Are there any tablet shaped wheels out now other than the Bones V2?
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BMCSteve hooked me up with a set of Ricta Westgate NRG about a year ago and they were great. They are about as close to that V2 tablet shape as you'll find. I might actually look at another set of them at some point. Really nice wheels.
Thank you!
Just looked up some pics and that's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 21, 2016, 02:25:54 AM
I'm trying to get some new wheels and need help pals

Which wheels feel close to bones stf or are grippy but slidy too

Ricta
Oj insane a thane
Autobahn
Sml

I love my stf's but I wanna try something new but don't wanna risk wasting my hard earned American dollars on a crappy wheel and so far I'm kinda wondering why did I even list the oj cause it seems the reviews on them aren't all good

I'm kinda thinking sml but ricta or maybe auto banh sound promising

Especially the rictas with that NRG formula

But really i want something grippy, main focus on grippy but still has some slidability

I did formula fours for a while, like 6 sets but after stepping back on bones I noticed formula fours no matter the shape or durometer they're kinda slippery, too slippery for my preference

I tried spit classics too and even they are kinda slick
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Rick Sanchez on November 22, 2016, 06:39:22 AM
I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Main on November 22, 2016, 04:57:17 PM
Spit classics and Bones 100's mine as well be the same wheel, same with any basic wheel from any company. Not till you get into better quality ones like STF, SPF, or F4's where you will notice any difference. But like dude said above, F4's have dominated the market for a good reason, because they really are the best. I tried those Insane-a-thanes and they gargled balls. As any OJ wheel does. The wheel is named OJ for fuck sake lol. If you're an all terrain skater, or really any type of skater, F4's are the best.... period. If you only skate parks, SPFs are a solid option too, but they're still Bones and are plasticky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 22, 2016, 08:01:36 PM
Aha okay I guess oj are off the list, I'm deciding ricta maybe

Idk formula fours in my opinion are becoming over rated like indy's

Yeah they're good for hardcore skating because they're kinda hard but feel like real urethane and slide easy butttttt...

It's all truly preference, I like bones stf better after all these formula fours cause I like and need something grippier but with some slide and the stf definitely deliver, I can make a hard turn and  my trucks are medium and I don't have to worry about sliding out

I tried the full conical and they didn't take the rebound rolling over cracks well cause the riding surface edges are straight and sharp rather than rounded like regular street shape so I instantly didn't like them and they gripped too much that my slides needed a little effort for formula fours

Bones have made wheels for years so I feel that grippy yet still somewhat easy to slide stf formula is the deal, when I stepped back on a set I remembered why I rode a set for like a year and a half and loved them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 23, 2016, 12:15:09 AM
OJ Insane a thane. Love them. Wish they were a tad bit thinner but fuck it. Skated both ez edge and hardline and prefer the hardline shape as it's close to bones STF V5/SPF P5 shape.

I find F4s slow in PARKS, 99 or 101, doesn't matter - 99a Rictas are faster than F4s. Yes, F4s feel like 'classic' urethane, i.e. gummy. Not a bad thing, especially on street; regular 101 OJs feel like spit 99s to me (NOT insane a thane formula).



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on November 23, 2016, 11:22:03 PM
SPF is hard and sticky......
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 24, 2016, 10:00:45 AM
Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on November 24, 2016, 08:50:08 PM
I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed

Are the conical full noticeably grippier than the f4 classics? I've been riding a set(99a) on and off and they tend to slip out on tranny or even tight carves on smooth sidewalks. I would like a little squeekier slide too. I've tried OJ Insane-a-thane and some SPFs recently, but I like the f4 better as an all around wheel (shit feels good on rougher spots). 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on November 24, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
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I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed
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Are the conical full noticeably grippier than the f4 classics? I've been riding a set(99a) on and off and they tend to slip out on tranny or even tight carves on smooth sidewalks. I would like a little squeekier slide too. I've tried OJ Insane-a-thane and some SPFs recently, but I like the f4 better as an all around wheel (shit feels good on rougher spots). 

Conical Fulls feel more secure navigating smooth transitional curves, for sure.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 25, 2016, 08:55:59 PM
Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.

aha dang, i guess ill buy a set of autobanh since theyre cheap to try.

really oj insane a thane are legit? how close to stf would they be in grip and slide though?

ive been thinking sml since james craig says most of the formula are like stf except the i think austin gillete formula thats more like a spitfire classic, ive stepped on some sml before and they were alright. felt proper. like a louder grippier stf.

thankyou so much for the reply everyone, especially you heritage
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 26, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
Rob - no problem at all my man. What size do you skate? I can send you a set of 52 to try. I may even have 53 laying around.  Just hit me with a PM if you want a set without laying out any cash.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 26, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
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Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.
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aha dang, i guess ill buy a set of autobanh since theyre cheap to try.

really oj insane a thane are legit? how close to stf would they be in grip and slide though?

ive been thinking sml since james craig says most of the formula are like stf except the i think austin gillete formula thats more like a spitfire classic, ive stepped on some sml before and they were alright. felt proper. like a louder grippier stf.

thankyou so much for the reply everyone, especially you heritage

I wanted to like my .sml wheels as I am partial to cored wheels, they were just too grippy for me (slim shape).

OJ insanes are legit once you get used to them. Fast, hard, loud, grippy AND slidey, they're just a bit chalky at first. I'd say they are a tad grippier than STFs and by proxy not as slidey/slippery.

I've sets of all sorts of shit around, AB/spit/bones/ricta/oj and rotate them in and out weekly depending on park or street and what I feel like trying and where. Everytime I setup STFs I cannot fathom why people skate them other than them being really slippery and slidey for ledge stuff as they feel slow compared to everything else I have.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourfuckingdad on November 26, 2016, 10:24:50 PM
pro / cons of the round wheels vs the straight cut ones?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 27, 2016, 04:10:23 AM
Rob - no problem at all my man. What size do you skate? I can send you a set of 52 to try. I may even have 53 laying around.  Just hit me with a PM if you want a set without laying out any cash.

Ohhhhh definitely, thank you so much my dude. Super grateful :D  ;D

Pm'ing now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 29, 2016, 02:30:50 AM
I sent a pm but idk if you got it yet
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Andmoreagain on November 29, 2016, 07:19:36 AM


Looks like Santa Cruz stopped making the 54mm Slime Balls, which was my fav wheel. Anyone got recommendations for 97a wheels in the 54-57mm range? Preferably bright green cus green wheels are faster....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 29, 2016, 09:41:05 AM


Looks like Santa Cruz stopped making the 54mm Slime Balls, which was my fav wheel. Anyone got recommendations for 97a wheels in the 54-57mm range? Preferably bright green cus green wheels are faster....

How about the new OJ Elite Mini Combos? Saw them on Social Media recently, not sure if the shape is the same and only 95a...not exact but close!

Plenty of the purple and or green 97a creature wheels out there still.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on November 29, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
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I just can't imagine not skating formula fours at this point. Every other wheel I've tried has been way worse in comparison, OJ'S especially. The 99du conical full shape are the grippiest set I've had yet had generous slide when needed
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Are the conical full noticeably grippier than the f4 classics? I've been riding a set(99a) on and off and they tend to slip out on tranny or even tight carves on smooth sidewalks. I would like a little squeekier slide too. I've tried OJ Insane-a-thane and some SPFs recently, but I like the f4 better as an all around wheel (shit feels good on rougher spots). 

Yes, although I don't know if I would say "grippier" - they're just more stable, especially on transition. I was riding fulls for so long that classics feel like stilts on tranny - like, I grip the same, it just takes very little effort to move the wheel out of place.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 29, 2016, 02:27:33 PM
The magic of surface area!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 29, 2016, 08:08:21 PM
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm (http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm)

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Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces.

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Turtle Boy on November 30, 2016, 07:54:26 AM
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm (http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm)

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Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces.
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 :-X
Couldn't the perception of higher "grippyness" or friction in wider wheels comes from the fact that a wider wheel is generally heavier (which increases the initial force?) than a slimmer wheel (lighter -> less force?).
My physics class are like then year behind me, but shouldn't the added weight of the wider wheel have some impact on the friction force?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 30, 2016, 08:29:56 AM
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm (http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm)

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Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces.
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 :-X
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Couldn't the perception of higher "grippyness" or friction in wider wheels comes from the fact that a wider wheel is generally heavier (which increases the initial force?) than a slimmer wheel (lighter -> less force?).
My physics class are like then year behind me, but shouldn't the added weight of the wider wheel have some impact on the friction force?

Well, the weight difference is very small, when you take into account all the weight of the skateboard and the rider on top of it.

Just weighed some 54 mm cruiser wheels, other conical, other classic shape. Weight difference was 10 grams per wheel (71g and 61g). My setup as a whole is around 2400 grams, so the added weight from a conical shaped wheel for me would be around 1.7% and that's only taking into account the weight of the setup, not your weight at all. So for example for myself, with powerslides on flat, the weight difference with the conical wheels would be about 0,043% if i count that i weigh 90 kg with my skate gear on, which in reality is a bit of a low estimate right now sadly.

But even if you have all light gear and weigh much less yourself, the difference is really fucking small. I'd argue it's absolutely negligible. I see the wheel shape (in non sharp edged wheels) physically affecting locking into grinds more than anything else. Mentally though, the effect can be huge and that is like 95% of skating anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 30, 2016, 10:17:33 AM
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Rob - I am partial to Autobahn and I've tried everything. Grip to slide is about 60/40 without feeling slow or gummy. I don't know what shape you prefer but Autobahn has a lot to choose from. I flip back and forth between the 52 slim shape and 52 Torus shape.

OJ Insane a Thane is also a good choice. I bought those Rojo 52 on an impulse an they were great. Was surprised.

Wayward makes great stuff too but they're a little more expensive.

SML has been hit and miss for me.
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aha dang, i guess ill buy a set of autobanh since theyre cheap to try.

really oj insane a thane are legit? how close to stf would they be in grip and slide though?

ive been thinking sml since james craig says most of the formula are like stf except the i think austin gillete formula thats more like a spitfire classic, ive stepped on some sml before and they were alright. felt proper. like a louder grippier stf.

thankyou so much for the reply everyone, especially you heritage
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I wanted to like my .sml wheels as I am partial to cored wheels, they were just too grippy for me (slim shape).

OJ insanes are legit once you get used to them. Fast, hard, loud, grippy AND slidey, they're just a bit chalky at first. I'd say they are a tad grippier than STFs and by proxy not as slidey/slippery.

I've sets of all sorts of shit around, AB/spit/bones/ricta/oj and rotate them in and out weekly depending on park or street and what I feel like trying and where. Everytime I setup STFs I cannot fathom why people skate them other than them being really slippery and slidey for ledge stuff as they feel slow compared to everything else I have.

Went from F4 Classic 52mm 99a to OJ Insane 54mm 101a and the slide is super easy at first and once you wear them down it becomes difficult to slide because they grip a bit. Grip definitely kicks in maybe .5mm down the wheel or something
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on November 30, 2016, 12:28:13 PM
George Powell had a convincing argument about how wider wheels can actually be more slippery. It think he was arguing that they hold their grip a bit longer but once they start sliding its less controlled... too much science for me... I like Classics and Radials.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on November 30, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
I keep it pretty simple, If I wanna slide and be all squirrley, I'll ride classics. If I wanna plow through stuff, I'll ride conical fulls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on December 01, 2016, 03:37:59 AM
I understand this is a discussion about wheel grip but since people are talking about overall influence of a wider wheel i would like to mention rolling friction affecting speed and how  this would vary from wheel to wheel (different widths = different rolling friction = different speed). Also how wheel width could not only affect speed but also the whole inertia of a skateboard, especially when the board is flippin
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 05, 2016, 07:06:03 PM
hey guys im back, soooooo i got hooked up a brand new set of ojś and was really psyched.

here are my initial thoughts on OJ insane a thanes hardline 101:

theyre damp, like urethane-y real skate wheels feeling so kinda like formula fours and kinda not like what you guys think of bones/being plastic but at the same time theyre hard. like they feel soft on the surface but once you roll you can tell theyre sturdy and hard to take the beating of todays skate needs/powerslides/wallrides/terrain but to really kinda break it down, theyre the feeling between a bones stf and formula four. they roll and feel good like a soft urethane street wheel but at the same time you can tell theyre hard.

con though that sadly hold any ojś back harshly, theyre slow. idk what it is but i had a set of ojś original 99a and they were amazing, i love how they gave me such nice street wheel grippiness so i was super confident on not sliding out landing anything and having total control but like i said, SLOW like annoys you after a long cruise slow. bones stf are the fastest i felt so far, in my opinion faster than formula fours cause the bones are made from urethane that suppose to handle streets in the tech way, while formula fours just feel like theyre made to plow through terrain and give you ultimate slide and control like your some hesh skater beating the streets up

i still like the ojś and will keep riding them cause theyre still new and i like how they feel like a ole classic street wheel but with a little oomph in the formula to keep up with this generation of powersliders and all terrain rippers. i also love the shape because theyre like a bones v5 but smoother and more rounded.

i got these

(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=OJJIHWH-WH-1.jpg&nw=435)

i also just got a used but still good set of ricta NRGś so ill most likely be back to tell you guys how those are, i really want and will see if this fastest urethane thing is gimmick or truth ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on December 05, 2016, 07:16:55 PM
bones stf are the fastest i felt so far, in my opinion faster than formula fours cause the bones are made from urethane that suppose to handle streets in the tech way, while formula fours just feel like theyre made to plow through terrain and give you ultimate slide and control like your some hesh skater beating the streets up


i like that description.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 05, 2016, 07:32:38 PM
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bones stf are the fastest i felt so far, in my opinion faster than formula fours cause the bones are made from urethane that suppose to handle streets in the tech way, while formula fours just feel like theyre made to plow through terrain and give you ultimate slide and control like your some hesh skater beating the streets up

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i like that description.

haha thank you sir ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ducky darnsworth on December 05, 2016, 08:24:58 PM
well i just bought some ricta sparx wheels, never tried ricta so this should be interesting
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 06, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
im back again already and all i have to say about RICTA NRG 81b wheels,

theyre not all that really, theyre super hard, like truly really 81b hard. they arent that fast. they roll an okay distance but overall.

theyre hard and dont slide that easy. they screech loud though when you slide.

so ima stick to

1.Bones Stf
2.OJ insane a thane
3.Formula four radials
4.i dont know yet but the search for the next best wheel continues, kinda interested in spitfire soft Dś

kinda wanna see what sml is like but for now ima ride these Ojś cause i like how they feel and roll

not quality like bones stf but close enough that i can handle.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 07, 2016, 04:22:01 AM
Also I just realized something, idk if it was mentioned but anyone know anything about who makes deck brand wheels?

Like who makes the wheels for baker boys/baker and deathwish wheels ? And who makes the wheels for crailtap/girl and chocolate wheels?

Cause I remember I loved how smooth and grippy these old set of girl wheels I had were but they were almost too grippy and the shape was kinda cool but too thin
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Rick Sanchez on December 07, 2016, 04:31:06 AM
anyone got any feedback on wayward wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on December 11, 2016, 08:55:05 AM
I've heard good things about those WW wheels, I wish I didn't have so many sets of F4's to get through  ???

Also, is it just me.. or do smaller wheels feel softer than bigger wheels in the same duro? Like a slim 54mm 99 compared to a big wide 58mm 99
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on December 11, 2016, 09:57:16 AM
anyone got any feedback on wayward wheels?

they are rad.  Im usually skating Spit F4 99a classics... and the two sets of Wayward Wheels 52mm Puig wheels ive skated feel almost exactly the same (slide, hardness).  I really didn't notice a difference at all.  WW are "whiter". 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2016, 08:53:04 PM
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they are rad.  Im usually skating Spit F4 99a classics... and the two sets of Wayward Wheels 52mm Puig wheels ive skated feel almost exactly the same (slide, hardness).  I really didn't notice a difference at all.  WW are "whiter".  

They look 'glassy' to me, somewhat opaque, but really bright, - the shapes are really rad, was looking at some today, I might jet back tomorrow and nab a set of 52 slims, but the funnels look sick too; fulls are pretty big and the round cut are pretty standard.

The Funnels shape is a deeper cut Spit Conical, the round cut is a classic and the thin is essentially the classic thing (did a side by side today).

Going to order a set from Wayward as the shop didn't have the round cut in 101.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on December 28, 2016, 03:23:34 PM
How do sml's compare to f4's?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: VCR on December 28, 2016, 04:38:03 PM
It depends on what formula you get.

The harder one slides like crazy and are perfect for smooth ground or indoor parks.

The softer ones are great for rougher streets and provide more grip.

Softer ones are closer to formula fours but don't hold up as well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 31, 2016, 12:05:00 PM
How do sml's compare to f4's?

I rode a set of the V cuts/slims or whatever, they felt much too grippy to me and slow :\ Some members have stated the same and that the wider wheels ride much different? One set was enough for me to skip them for good.

Just set up a set of 52 wayward slims, they a bit slimmer than 52 f4 classics. Nice shape. Bearings slid in far to easy, which makes me worried they'll feel slow/sluggish, like regular OJs (NOT the Insane-A-Thane).

Raining today/all week so not sure when I'll get to skate them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 06, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
What's up with the shitty cores on the spitfire 80hd chargers making them spin like shit? These things are terrible.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Julz on January 06, 2017, 11:54:39 AM
To sum up this thread; F4 is the superior product. Everything else is subpar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on January 06, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
I had those 99's and they were sick...another friend of mine had them and flat spotted them super fast...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 06, 2017, 11:51:10 PM
To sum up this thread; F4 is the superior product. Everything else is subpar.

kook me, i would have to disagree. ive had 4 sets of F4ś, the first set i did love(they were classics 99 and rode them for a year) so good i got another set and got some radial 99 and they were alright, alot smoother cause the shape and surface area, got over them after a few months and got some conical 101 and didnt really like them besides the crazy slide feel and gave them up, got another set of 99 classics cause maybe thats why i was losing it for formula fours and still wasnt feeling that best wheels in the game feel anymore, switched around with pigs, ojs, spit classics and bones stf. none were as good as my bones, they are everything to my preference. theyre grippier than f4 99ś and even spit classics but they still had this good slide feeling. it was odd cause the regular classics formula felt slicker than i remembered

bones stf all the way, formula fours are too slippery for my taste. i would slide out even on the slightest bad foot placement on a land and it pissed me off, it was like okay i get it they slide but i need some gription
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 07, 2017, 12:03:13 AM
i bought some ricta sparx, and i thought they were a street wheel, but i guess not because for whatever reason the bearing holder part gots squished out, so now i can fully tighten down the wheel on the trucks, and move the wheel around, i not sure if its because their shitty or if it was a defect, but it kinda sucks since i liked the shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 07, 2017, 12:11:51 AM
dang ducky i feels for you, what a waste.

oh yeah i also tried ricta nrgś, they were not as good as they claim. they were hard and just hard. something of like a generic hard wheel feel. thats my opinion/review of ricta. yeah they rolled somewhat fast and long like they claim but they just felt awful.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 07, 2017, 12:17:35 AM
yeah, i was going to try the naturals but now im second guessing it, i'll probably go back to spitfire (even though i hate the color) or try something else, also i have a set of OJ'S insane o thanes, i can't fit my bones swiss six in them for my life, but bronson g3's fit perfectly. NHS is on some stupid shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 07, 2017, 12:26:19 AM
haha i would second guess forsure too if this is the way one set of rictas is, especially if you got the ones that costs more its like how do the cheaper ones feel

dang that sucks man, what a jip. i know what your saying though with nhs, ive had an issue their products before. nhs is kinda odd, they barely have good sales or prices on their own site, you would think the direct manufacturer would have the better deals on their own products but i guess not.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on January 07, 2017, 12:32:14 AM
Prize Fighter Cutlery

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 07, 2017, 01:53:33 AM
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bones stf all the way, formula fours are too slippery for my taste. i would slide out even on the slightest bad foot placement on a land and it pissed me off, it was like okay i get it they slide but i need some gription

I tried to like F4's too, tried different duros and shapes but always ended up back skating my stf's. Spitfire 99's felt too grippy and with 101's i always ended up slipping on smooth concrete,super scary on transition.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Opoin on January 07, 2017, 08:15:37 AM
Prize Fighter Cutlery



This.

Been riding mine for about 3 weeks now and they're some of the best wheels I've had.  They're hard and break out in a slide when you need them to, but grip much better than STFs imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 07, 2017, 03:04:54 PM
To sum up this thread; F4 is the superior product. Everything else is subpar.

I guess you could look at it that way if you like your opinion spoon fed to you without trying things for yourself. I haven't skated Spitfire wheels wheels since 2005 and I'm doing just fine.

Autobahn for the last decade and when I run out of my AB reserves I will skate something else that's not Spitfire.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tracer on January 07, 2017, 04:20:51 PM
Ghetto Child anyone?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on January 07, 2017, 05:08:13 PM
Ghetto Child anyone?

Noooooooope.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 07, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
What's up with the shitty cores on the spitfire 80hd chargers making them spin like shit? These things are terrible.

What's the Slap consensus on the cruiser wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on January 07, 2017, 09:45:16 PM
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What's the Slap consensus on the cruiser wheel?

OJs, Juice or Keyframes, some people swear by clouds here but I love my OJs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on January 08, 2017, 12:51:31 AM
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What's up with the shitty cores on the spitfire 80hd chargers making them spin like shit? These things are terrible.
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What's the Slap consensus on the cruiser wheel?

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OJs, Juice or Keyframes, some people swear by clouds here but I love my OJs

I've got a set of Keyframes and think they're pretty great. Too grippy though, but that's how it goes with cruiser wheels. Got a set of the Spitfire 80 HDs waiting. I did test them briefly last summer but couldn't come to any conclusion wether I liked them or not. Clouds for some reason are not easy to come by in Europe, so I haven't tested those. Would like to test all duros, especially the new 92A.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on January 08, 2017, 01:55:44 AM
Just found out that the urethane company that manufactures Pusher wheels basically copied the formula from accell wheels.
I haven't really liked any wheels since accell went under and I really dug pushers when I got a set years ago and been skating them ever since.
I really suggest them especially if you like PFC or bones Stf
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NJFly318 on January 08, 2017, 07:23:36 AM
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What's the Slap consensus on the cruiser wheel?


Got some Keyframe 87A's they are smooth and fast on rough ground, don't slide though. they are good for cruising, but super slow in the parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Julz on January 08, 2017, 07:58:18 AM
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I guess you could look at it that way if you like your opinion spoon fed to you without trying things for yourself. I haven't skated Spitfire wheels wheels since 2005 and I'm doing just fine.

Autobahn for the last decade and when I run out of my AB reserves I will skate something else that's not Spitfire.

My post was mostly pointing out that the majority of the posters on this thread are stating that they prefer F4s over everything else.

From my perspective, I've skated a bunch of wheels in the last 5 years (oj, bones, autobanh, creative urethane) and F4 are the best IMO. Before that, I was riding mostly STF and hated my sets of F1 and SFW. So, I didn't always have a positive opinion on spitfire's products.

At the end of the day, you'll be fine skating with whatever wheels you have. I just bought a set of shop wheels, because I'm on a budget, and they're good. Nothing to complain. That being said, I'd rather skate a set of F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on January 08, 2017, 11:17:36 AM
I would guess that all of us have made do with shitty wheels at some point. Picking and choosing wheels is a luxury as far as I'm concerned. I might not be rich, but being able to always have my wheels on point is a small victory.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 08, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
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I guess you could look at it that way if you like your opinion spoon fed to you without trying things for yourself. I haven't skated Spitfire wheels wheels since 2005 and I'm doing just fine.

Autobahn for the last decade and when I run out of my AB reserves I will skate something else that's not Spitfire.
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My post was mostly pointing out that the majority of the posters on this thread are stating that they prefer F4s over everything else.

From my perspective, I've skated a bunch of wheels in the last 5 years (oj, bones, autobanh, creative urethane) and F4 are the best IMO. Before that, I was riding mostly STF and hated my sets of F1 and SFW. So, I didn't always have a positive opinion on spitfire's products.

At the end of the day, you'll be fine skating with whatever wheels you have. I just bought a set of shop wheels, because I'm on a budget, and they're good. Nothing to complain. That being said, I'd rather skate a set of F4.

Totally agree Julz. My post was more a generality, not directed at you personally. I've seen people write things off, without giving them a fair shake, and eat up the marketing that they 'need' a particular product. Skateboarding is such a personal experience and not one thing works for everyone. Spitfire make good wheels, but they've also killed the marketing game.

@Moe - Accel! HELL YEAH! There's a name I haven't heard in years. Gnar'd.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on January 08, 2017, 01:05:18 PM
What's the word on ghetto child? I'd buy some for nostalgia's sake.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on January 08, 2017, 08:02:49 PM
I remember Accels being very similar to Darkstars back in the day. Really hard, super white almost plasticky looking, and pretty skinny as far as shapes were.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on January 08, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
Nobody skated those lame ass Mike V wheels, stop frontin.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on January 08, 2017, 08:35:40 PM
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/15801849_1838103709798245_8741534267395276800_n.jpg)
anyone see this crupie multicultural wheel nonsense? i guess people leaving gold and or not on a wheel company found this strange program to ride for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 08, 2017, 08:39:30 PM
I've been skating the regular (non-slim) radial shape for the last couple weeks and I think they're my new favorite wheel.  Everything I love about the slims but with a little more grip. 

They've been great in a slippery park, on the street, carving in bowls and hitting curbs.  I can't find a single thing to complain about
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on January 08, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
Nobody skated those lame ass Mike V wheels, stop frontin.
Stefan Attardo and Stacy Lowry did
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on January 08, 2017, 10:26:38 PM
Just bought the OG Wide version of these https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/grocery-bag-53mm-ag-formula (https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/grocery-bag-53mm-ag-formula)

Will update after i skate them for a bit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 09, 2017, 01:53:44 AM
Been skating 53mm Ricta NRGs for about a month now. Quite good, I suspect the word on the street that they're a bit faster may be true, might just be placebo though. Slide really nice on ledges, better than 101 f4s imo, similar to stfs without being too slippery like stfs or 101 f4s on most street surfaces.

On certain types of ground they grip a little bit too much for powerslides and slide a bit funny, not sure why this is. They're perfect for most surfaces though.

Managed to flatspot it slightly on a noseblunt on a ledge, not a dealbreaker but can definitely feel it a little on skatepark ground, how do you get rid of minor flatspots like this? Hasn't gone away by itself just yet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Opoin on January 09, 2017, 08:32:09 AM
Been skating 53mm Ricta NRGs for about a month now. Quite good, I suspect the word on the street that they're a bit faster may be true, might just be placebo though. Slide really nice on ledges, better than 101 f4s imo, similar to stfs without being too slippery like stfs or 101 f4s on most street surfaces.

On certain types of ground they grip a little bit too much for powerslides and slide a bit funny, not sure why this is. They're perfect for most surfaces though.

Managed to flatspot it slightly on a noseblunt on a ledge, not a dealbreaker but can definitely feel it a little on skatepark ground, how do you get rid of minor flatspots like this? Hasn't gone away by itself just yet.

You have to do subsequent noseblunts of exactly the same length around the entire circumference of the wheel that isn't flatspotted.

Either that or you just ride it out of the wheel if it isn't that big.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on January 09, 2017, 09:36:08 AM
powerslide the fuck out of it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 09, 2017, 11:18:08 AM
Nobody skated those lame ass Mike V wheels, stop frontin.

I think I bought the Cleveland joints after seeing a Svitak part.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 09, 2017, 12:00:44 PM
I would guess that all of us have made do with shitty wheels at some point. Picking and choosing wheels is a luxury as far as I'm concerned. I might not be rich, but being able to always have my wheels on point is a small victory.

You kinda just adapt. I have the 101a Oj Insane formula and came from 99a Classic f4s. At first they slid like crazy and I loved it, then I started realizing they felt slow. They didn't feel as fast and they started requiring a little extra for slides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bluntstofakie on January 09, 2017, 12:41:37 PM
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What's up with the shitty cores on the spitfire 80hd chargers making them spin like shit? These things are terrible.
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What's the Slap consensus on the cruiser wheel?

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OJs, Juice or Keyframes, some people swear by clouds here but I love my OJs
I got some 57mm 78a clouds to replace my worn down keyframes, and I'm not that siked on them. They're really fast on smooth ground, but I rarely encounter smooth ground when I'm just cruising.  I feel like the keyframes were faster on the rough stuff. I'm curious about those powell g slides though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on January 09, 2017, 03:55:11 PM

I got some 57mm 78a clouds to replace my worn down keyframes, and I'm not that siked on them. They're really fast on smooth ground, but I rarely encounter smooth ground when I'm just cruising.  I feel like the keyframes were faster on the rough stuff. I'm curious about those powell g slides though.
I'm seriously contemplating trying the G slides as my next cruiser wheel. I love my key frames but they're getting pretty worn down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rathernotwalk on January 09, 2017, 06:00:16 PM
Anyone try Rain Skates or Alta
Looking for something off the beaten path at this point...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 09, 2017, 09:55:12 PM
Anyone try Rain Skates or Alta
Looking for something off the beaten path at this point...

I've ridden rainskates a while back, great wheels, Creative Urethane (if I recall), shapes are lacking.

If Alta are good enough for Barros, they're good enough for anyone reading this ;)

Really depends on what you are skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on January 09, 2017, 11:16:02 PM
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I think I bought the Cleveland joints after seeing a Svitak part.
I always skated the rotten apples ones maybe a few Bartie models as well
if you flatspotted them they would send you a set for free if you sent the flat ones back
I only ever flatspotted a couple of sets. They were great wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rathernotwalk on January 10, 2017, 03:55:08 PM
Anyone try Rain Skates or Alta
Looking for something off the beaten path at this point...
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Anyone try Rain Skates or Alta
Looking for something off the beaten path at this point...
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I've ridden rainskates a while back, great wheels, Creative Urethane (if I recall), shapes are lacking.

If Alta are good enough for Barros, they're good enough for anyone reading this ;)

Really depends on what you are skating.

I wish the Alta's were a bit bigger but yeah pretty sure Barros could have any wheel he wanted and probably still kill it with wooden ones

I mostly just skate transition but this will be for my smaller setup that I would be more likely to actually take to the streets with
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on January 11, 2017, 03:57:12 PM
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What's up with the shitty cores on the spitfire 80hd chargers making them spin like shit? These things are terrible.
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What's the Slap consensus on the cruiser wheel?

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OJs, Juice or Keyframes, some people swear by clouds here but I love my OJs
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86a clouds.... Fast. durable. Perfect compromise between a spongey cruiser wheel and regular street wheel. Just wish they'd do them in colours...
I got some 57mm 78a clouds to replace my worn down keyframes, and I'm not that siked on them. They're really fast on smooth ground, but I rarely encounter smooth ground when I'm just cruising.  I feel like the keyframes were faster on the rough stuff. I'm curious about those powell g slides though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 11, 2017, 05:22:54 PM
Finally got to roll around on the Waywards today, I was right. Soft feeling 101s, like OJs (regular) and F4s, they slide nice, good chirp but in park they were slow, on regular street (that's rough as fuck on OJ insane, SPF, STF and 99a Rictas) these things felt great; I'd skate them if I was looking for a wheel to handle spotty terrain, even over F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on January 11, 2017, 06:20:08 PM
Finally got to roll around on the Waywards today, I was right. Soft feeling 101s, like OJs (regular) and F4s, they slide nice, good chirp but in park they were slow, on regular street (that's rough as fuck on OJ insane, SPF, STF and 99a Rictas) these things felt great; I'd skate them if I was looking for a wheel to handle spotty terrain, even over F4s.

Awesome 8)

Put wayward on the list.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 12, 2017, 06:54:28 AM
Finally got around to setting up some all black STFs that I've had for a while now that I've just been keeping on standby.
After skating on some badly flatspotted pigs for the longest time, I completely forgot what it feels like to actually go fast with only a few pushes. Feels good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 16, 2017, 01:55:26 AM
Finally got around to setting up some all black STFs that I've had for a while now that I've just been keeping on standby.
After skating on some badly flatspotted pigs for the longest time, I completely forgot what it feels like to actually go fast with only a few pushes. Feels good.

I prefer colored stf's over white ones, i think they are just a little bit faster and slide better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 16, 2017, 02:25:22 AM
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Finally got around to setting up some all black STFs that I've had for a while now that I've just been keeping on standby.
After skating on some badly flatspotted pigs for the longest time, I completely forgot what it feels like to actually go fast with only a few pushes. Feels good.
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I prefer colored stf's over white ones, i think they are just a little bit faster and slide better.

Really?? I keep hearing stuff about colored stf's but I don't wanna believe it cause I'm on some classic white bones stf and they're everything I like, fast, smooth, grippy, slides. But now you guys got me thinking to invest in some colored ones...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 16, 2017, 08:26:34 AM
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Finally got around to setting up some all black STFs that I've had for a while now that I've just been keeping on standby.
After skating on some badly flatspotted pigs for the longest time, I completely forgot what it feels like to actually go fast with only a few pushes. Feels good.
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I prefer colored stf's over white ones, i think they are just a little bit faster and slide better.

I've always preferred colored STFs/SPFs, they just feel better to me (and a few people I know that have skated them).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 16, 2017, 04:17:11 PM
Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 16, 2017, 06:11:26 PM
should i try these autobahns?
http://www.tactics.com/autobahn/evolution-ab-s-skateboard-wheels/white-101a (http://www.tactics.com/autobahn/evolution-ab-s-skateboard-wheels/white-101a)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on January 16, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
should i try these autobahns?
http://www.tactics.com/autobahn/evolution-ab-s-skateboard-wheels/white-101a (http://www.tactics.com/autobahn/evolution-ab-s-skateboard-wheels/white-101a)

Ducky - these are AB price point wheels but truthfully I think they slide a little bit better than some of their premium stuff. That can be good or bad, more sliding out from tricks and a little more unpredictable at times. They are also loud as hell and on the streets they will rattle your teeth out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 16, 2017, 08:04:19 PM
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should i try these autobahns?
http://www.tactics.com/autobahn/evolution-ab-s-skateboard-wheels/white-101a (http://www.tactics.com/autobahn/evolution-ab-s-skateboard-wheels/white-101a)
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Ducky - these are AB price point wheels but truthfully I think they slide a little bit better than some of their premium stuff. That can be good or bad, more sliding out from tricks and a little more unpredictable at times. They are also loud as hell and on the streets they will rattle your teeth out.
Ok that doesn't sound appealing, but still on the subject of autobahn, would the Torus Ultra 83b wheels be any better?
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Autobahn_Torus_Ultra_83b_Wheels/descpage-ABT83WH.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Autobahn_Torus_Ultra_83b_Wheels/descpage-ABT83WH.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on January 16, 2017, 08:25:58 PM
Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)

Ha, I wanted to ask about these too (was just thinking about it this morning). I'm interested in the 101's though. Love the retro shape, but I'm worried that reg OJ formula will suck (only tried the insane-a-thanes, but I like those a lot).

I think 95a is kind of hit or miss on weather or not they'll be fast. Those would be sick for skating a slippery indoor park though.

Did Santa Cruz stop making 97a Slime Balls in smaller sizes? I can only find the 60mm+ ones now. If I could find those in like 54-56, would be perfect.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 16, 2017, 10:23:28 PM
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Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)
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Ha, I wanted to ask about these too (was just thinking about it this morning). I'm interested in the 101's though. Love the retro shape, but I'm worried that reg OJ formula will suck (only tried the insane-a-thanes, but I like those a lot).

I think 95a is kind of hit or miss on weather or not they'll be fast. Those would be sick for skating a slippery indoor park though.

Did Santa Cruz stop making 97a Slime Balls in smaller sizes? I can only find the 60mm+ ones now. If I could find those in like 54-56, would be perfect.

I commented on those in FB when they announced them, NHS responded and they are regular old slo oj thane, not insane a thane.

No more Slimeballs in smaller sizes either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on January 17, 2017, 06:50:42 AM
I grabbed a set of 53mm Spitfire Hypno swirl 99a wheels (blue).  I had been riding 55mm wheels and wanted to try to size down a little.  I skate parks and mini ramps most of the time (41 year old and not that good).  Even though these are 99a, they don't have much grip.  I almost got a concussion at the park yesterday.  I slipped out making a turn to go down a flat ramp and slammed hard at the bottom.  My head bounced off the pavement (luckily the place requires helmets and I have a good one.)   It freaked the old man out who was monitoring the place (YMCA park) It was a gnarly looking slam I'm sure, but I was okay and got right up.  Luckily it just rang my bell.  I kept skating but after a couple more slip outs, I took those wheels off and went back to my old ones.  They felt good rolling, but they're just too slick!  I think these Hypno's are original formula, not formula 4's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shit_for_brains on January 17, 2017, 07:04:37 AM
Who else is riding wayward? I'm on the 52 Bledsoe slims and.... I can't tell the difference from my last set of F4 52mm slims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 17, 2017, 09:11:53 AM
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Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)
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Ha, I wanted to ask about these too (was just thinking about it this morning). I'm interested in the 101's though. Love the retro shape, but I'm worried that reg OJ formula will suck (only tried the insane-a-thanes, but I like those a lot).

I think 95a is kind of hit or miss on weather or not they'll be fast. Those would be sick for skating a slippery indoor park though.

Did Santa Cruz stop making 97a Slime Balls in smaller sizes? I can only find the 60mm+ ones now. If I could find those in like 54-56, would be perfect.
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I commented on those in FB when they announced them; they regular old slo oj than, not insane a thane.

No more Slimeballs in smaller sizes either.

Damn, i was looking for a cruiser that slid so I didn't have to stick my foot out to stop or slow down.
Wasn't totally stoked on the Insane-a-thane formula either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2017, 10:29:00 AM
Who else is riding wayward? I'm on the 52 Bledsoe slims and.... I can't tell the difference from my last set of F4 52mm slims.

I tried that exact set for a few days and they do in fact feel like 99a f4s too me, that is to say, slow in parks but fantastic on rough streets, really great shape and easy slides too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Abyss1 on January 17, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Alright guys ive switched over from street skating to hill bombing.  After 3 weeks of bombing and little power sliding (40 miles total) my spitfire classics are toasted ...They started conning after a week and a half. 

What you hill bombers using to keep from buying wheels every month
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on January 17, 2017, 11:15:30 AM
Alright guys ive switched over from street skating to hill bombing.  After 3 weeks of bombing and little power sliding (40 miles total) my spitfire classics are toasted ...They started conning after a week and a half. 

What you hill bombers using to keep from buying wheels every month

Just get F4's, the old classics don't hold up well. The 101's are faster and wear better, but they're sketchy in some situations.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on January 17, 2017, 11:49:26 AM
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Who else is riding wayward? I'm on the 52 Bledsoe slims and.... I can't tell the difference from my last set of F4 52mm slims.
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I tried that exact set for a few days and they do in fact feel like 99a f4s too me, that is to say, slow in parks but fantastic on rough streets, really great shape and easy slides too.

yep, wayward skate very very very similar to formula 4 ... they a just a tad wider than the standard F4 classic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 18, 2017, 10:00:41 AM
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Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)
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Ha, I wanted to ask about these too (was just thinking about it this morning). I'm interested in the 101's though. Love the retro shape, but I'm worried that reg OJ formula will suck (only tried the insane-a-thanes, but I like those a lot).

I think 95a is kind of hit or miss on weather or not they'll be fast. Those would be sick for skating a slippery indoor park though.

Did Santa Cruz stop making 97a Slime Balls in smaller sizes? I can only find the 60mm+ ones now. If I could find those in like 54-56, would be perfect.
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I commented on those in FB when they announced them; they regular old slo oj than, not insane a thane.

No more Slimeballs in smaller sizes either.
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Damn, i was looking for a cruiser that slid so I didn't have to stick my foot out to stop or slow down.
Wasn't totally stoked on the Insane-a-thane formula either.

If you find a cruiser wheel that slides, let me know - still eyeing those g-slides...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 18, 2017, 10:45:51 AM
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Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)
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Ha, I wanted to ask about these too (was just thinking about it this morning). I'm interested in the 101's though. Love the retro shape, but I'm worried that reg OJ formula will suck (only tried the insane-a-thanes, but I like those a lot).

I think 95a is kind of hit or miss on weather or not they'll be fast. Those would be sick for skating a slippery indoor park though.

Did Santa Cruz stop making 97a Slime Balls in smaller sizes? I can only find the 60mm+ ones now. If I could find those in like 54-56, would be perfect.
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I commented on those in FB when they announced them; they regular old slo oj than, not insane a thane.

No more Slimeballs in smaller sizes either.
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Damn, i was looking for a cruiser that slid so I didn't have to stick my foot out to stop or slow down.
Wasn't totally stoked on the Insane-a-thane formula either.
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If you find a cruiser wheel that slides, let me know - still eyeing those g-slides...

60 or 64mm 87a Powell Bomber 3s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: h00man on January 18, 2017, 01:32:55 PM
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Who else is riding wayward? I'm on the 52 Bledsoe slims and.... I can't tell the difference from my last set of F4 52mm slims.
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I tried that exact set for a few days and they do in fact feel like 99a f4s too me, that is to say, slow in parks but fantastic on rough streets, really great shape and easy slides too.
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yep, wayward skate very very very similar to formula 4 ... they a just a tad wider than the standard F4 classic

Nice to know! Gonna grab a set online soon. Who knows if my locals will be getting WW any time soon....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 18, 2017, 04:32:35 PM
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Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)
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Ha, I wanted to ask about these too (was just thinking about it this morning). I'm interested in the 101's though. Love the retro shape, but I'm worried that reg OJ formula will suck (only tried the insane-a-thanes, but I like those a lot).

I think 95a is kind of hit or miss on weather or not they'll be fast. Those would be sick for skating a slippery indoor park though.

Did Santa Cruz stop making 97a Slime Balls in smaller sizes? I can only find the 60mm+ ones now. If I could find those in like 54-56, would be perfect.
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I commented on those in FB when they announced them; they regular old slo oj than, not insane a thane.

No more Slimeballs in smaller sizes either.
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Damn, i was looking for a cruiser that slid so I didn't have to stick my foot out to stop or slow down.
Wasn't totally stoked on the Insane-a-thane formula either.
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If you find a cruiser wheel that slides, let me know - still eyeing those g-slides...
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60 or 64mm 87a Powell Bomber 3s

Damn man were hubbas actually any good? I remember wanting those Shake Junt swirls but never pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 18, 2017, 10:38:43 PM
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Has anyone tried these?
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=72685)
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Ha, I wanted to ask about these too (was just thinking about it this morning). I'm interested in the 101's though. Love the retro shape, but I'm worried that reg OJ formula will suck (only tried the insane-a-thanes, but I like those a lot).

I think 95a is kind of hit or miss on weather or not they'll be fast. Those would be sick for skating a slippery indoor park though.

Did Santa Cruz stop making 97a Slime Balls in smaller sizes? I can only find the 60mm+ ones now. If I could find those in like 54-56, would be perfect.
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I commented on those in FB when they announced them; they regular old slo oj than, not insane a thane.

No more Slimeballs in smaller sizes either.
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Damn, i was looking for a cruiser that slid so I didn't have to stick my foot out to stop or slow down.
Wasn't totally stoked on the Insane-a-thane formula either.
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If you find a cruiser wheel that slides, let me know - still eyeing those g-slides...
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60 or 64mm 87a Powell Bomber 3s
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Damn man were hubbas actually any good? I remember wanting those Shake Junt swirls but never pulled the trigger.

Might end up picking up the G Slides to try them out.

As for Hubba, I got into skateboarding a little after they ended but they deserve to comeback...or at least make a calendar or anything with their models. You know what, f-it I'd cop the wheels and a tee (that just has their logo as an inside joke). I swear it on our lord and skate-vior Fred Gall.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on January 19, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
I grabbed a set of 53mm Spitfire Hypno swirl 99a wheels (blue).  I had been riding 55mm wheels and wanted to try to size down a little.  I skate parks and mini ramps most of the time (41 year old and not that good).  Even though these are 99a, they don't have much grip.  I almost got a concussion at the park yesterday.  I slipped out making a turn to go down a flat ramp and slammed hard at the bottom.  My head bounced off the pavement (luckily the place requires helmets and I have a good one.)   It freaked the old man out who was monitoring the place (YMCA park) It was a gnarly looking slam I'm sure, but I was okay and got right up.  Luckily it just rang my bell.  I kept skating but after a couple more slip outs, I took those wheels off and went back to my old ones.  They felt good rolling, but they're just too slick!  I think these Hypno's are original formula, not formula 4's.

Hypno's are the branded knock offs that only zumiez seems to sell.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Elderly Gentleman on January 19, 2017, 09:04:47 AM
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I grabbed a set of 53mm Spitfire Hypno swirl 99a wheels (blue).  I had been riding 55mm wheels and wanted to try to size down a little.  I skate parks and mini ramps most of the time (41 year old and not that good).  Even though these are 99a, they don't have much grip.  I almost got a concussion at the park yesterday.  I slipped out making a turn to go down a flat ramp and slammed hard at the bottom.  My head bounced off the pavement (luckily the place requires helmets and I have a good one.)   It freaked the old man out who was monitoring the place (YMCA park) It was a gnarly looking slam I'm sure, but I was okay and got right up.  Luckily it just rang my bell.  I kept skating but after a couple more slip outs, I took those wheels off and went back to my old ones.  They felt good rolling, but they're just too slick!  I think these Hypno's are original formula, not formula 4's.
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Hypno's are the branded knock offs that only zumiez seems to sell.


Yep, that explains it then.  I jokingly put "I'll just use my Zumiez rewards card" as my signature, and I ended up getting a freakin' gift card for the place for Christmas.   I thought I'd give those a try since it wasn't costing me anything.  I liked the feel of the size the wheels were, but they're just too slick for where I skate. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on January 19, 2017, 09:25:25 AM
Smaller wheels can seem like they have less grip sometimes (less surface area) and also wheels need to be broken in. I like to bomb some hills before I hit the park with my wheels. Freshies can feel a little unpredictable...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 19, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Smaller wheels can seem like they have less grip sometimes (less surface area) and also wheels need to be broken in. I like to bomb some hills before I hit the park with my wheels. Freshies can feel a little unpredictable...

There was an article (can't find it) that has Brofessor Schmitt talking about how thinner wheels are just as grippy, if not more, to a point (my guess is at breakaway :P
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on January 19, 2017, 06:50:36 PM
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Smaller wheels can seem like they have less grip sometimes (less surface area) and also wheels need to be broken in. I like to bomb some hills before I hit the park with my wheels. Freshies can feel a little unpredictable...
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There was an article (can't find it) that has Brofessor Schmitt talking about how thinner wheels are just as grippy, if not more, to a point (my guess is at breakaway :P

Yeah, there was something in one of these threads.. People were saying that width and duro # end up evening out where grip is concerned. But then people say that wider wheels stick more on slides.

Now we hear thinner wheels could be more grippy? I've always felt like wider wheels stay stuck to the ground better. I don't know what to think.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on January 19, 2017, 07:14:30 PM
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Smaller wheels can seem like they have less grip sometimes (less surface area) and also wheels need to be broken in. I like to bomb some hills before I hit the park with my wheels. Freshies can feel a little unpredictable...
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There was an article (can't find it) that has Brofessor Schmitt talking about how thinner wheels are just as grippy, if not more, to a point (my guess is at breakaway :P
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Yeah, there was something in one of these threads.. People were saying that width and duro # end up evening out where grip is concerned. But then people say that wider wheels stick more on slides.

Now we hear thinner wheels could be more grippy? I've always felt like wider wheels stay stuck to the ground better. I don't know what to think.

George Powell argues that thinner wheels can be grippier in that once wider wheels slide out its harder to bring them back under control. Or some shit like that... But all this must depend on the urethane formula also...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on January 19, 2017, 07:30:14 PM
Physics: surface area does not affect friction. Might seem counterintuitive at first but that's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Wonderful Whizzplank on January 20, 2017, 10:46:37 AM
Physics: surface area does not affect friction. Might seem counterintuitive at first but that's just the way it is.

Same weight acting on smaller surface area = more pressure, you can probably extrapolate this into deciphering how different widths suit different things, but it's late and I don't wanna think.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Alotoflizards on January 20, 2017, 12:32:58 PM
I've been skating the "Rollriguez" from Pusher wheels. I skate really rough gravel and concrete pretty often and these have held up very well for the few months I've had em. My next wheels are most likely going to be F4's. Been wondering what it's like to skate the conical ones...would they make certain trucks harder maybe? Either way, I adapt to whatever setup I'm skating.. for example my last pair of shoes was too big and I could barely do flip tricks, so I've been skating a lot more tranny
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 22, 2017, 08:14:31 PM
I've been skating ricta speed rings for a while. I've had a few pairs and I really like them.
I'm interested in either some Autobahn's or some welcome orbs.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 22, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
do most of you guys who prefer formula fours skate parks more than street?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deekay on January 23, 2017, 02:06:42 PM
do most of you guys who prefer formula fours skate parks more than street?

I kinda like the 101's best for both. 99's are good for the rougher streets but I just use 101's everywhere now.. I thought they'd be too slippery for indoor parks but they're fine even where it's too slippery to push properly, I don't know how they do it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on January 23, 2017, 02:10:36 PM
do most of you guys who prefer formula fours skate parks more than street?
I use the 99A and skate parks almost exclusively
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 23, 2017, 08:23:28 PM
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do most of you guys who prefer formula fours skate parks more than street?
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I kinda like the 101's best for both. 99's are good for the rougher streets but I just use 101's everywhere now.. I thought they'd be too slippery for indoor parks but they're fine even where it's too slippery to push properly, I don't know how they do it.

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I use the 99A and skate parks almost exclusively

yeah i was wondering cause the thing is i basically skate street exclusively and its all pavement, asphault, sidewalks and such and i just notice bones stf feel much more smoothly than fours, i thought maybe everyone whos really digging fours even after giving stfs a try again only really prefer the fours overall because they do more park skating and very little cruising the rough streets/the fours just feel better in parks

i havent skated a park in months but idk, cant get fours feeling good ever since i noticed how nicely smooth and fast bones stf are on street. and ive tried all the mainstream stuff, almost all formula four shapes in 99a, the conical 101, ricta nrg pro wheels, gold, pig, spitfire classics, oj reg 99a, oj insnae a thane 101, and bones stf. i wanna try those cutlery wheels but hmmm....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on January 23, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
do most of you guys who prefer formula fours skate parks more than street?
I skate as transportation when there isn't two feet of snow on the ground with 101 f4's and then when I actually skate it's mainly park. I preferred Ricta NRG's when skating on rough streets for sure.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 23, 2017, 11:25:14 PM
for street cruising, so far my favorites are Bones ATFs. I've tried G-slides and Clouds but both felt too chalky and heavy to me and did not make for a smooth enough ride on really rough spots. anyone who's familiar with the ATFs - what's another good wheel that rides like them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 24, 2017, 01:48:39 AM
for street cruising, so far my favorites are Bones ATFs. I've tried G-slides and Clouds but both felt too chalky and heavy to me and did not make for a smooth enough ride on really rough spots. anyone who's familiar with the ATFs - what's another good wheel that rides like them?

aha i think nothing beats skateone/bones experience and history in skateboard wheels ingenuity, i tried spitfire 80hds, i have some random kryptonics cruiser wheels i found and nothing ive felt on any cruiser was as good as my stolen and lost bones atf, even when i rode them from 54 to 52/51 they were still fast and rolled far, the quality was always consistent, and i rode them in rain several times. oj III are nice but i felt they get slower and over time just start sucking when they shave down and the urethane gets stale.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on January 25, 2017, 12:12:13 AM
Got some Pusher 54mm conicals 99A and some of the Matt Rodriguez 80B Pusher models.
interested to try the softer formula conical shape, should help with the crusty spots.
Exited to try the Matt Rod's out when those are done.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nigga_please on January 25, 2017, 05:09:45 PM
Just decided to try this new Crupie wheels and i'm fucking impressed. It's been 10 days it's better than the bones STF I had before.
For $28 I got a 52mm Tiago Lemos wheel and I highly recommend.

(http://www.crupie.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/tiago-lemos-crupie-wheels-600x600.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Alotoflizards on January 25, 2017, 05:58:44 PM
Got some Pusher 54mm conicals 99A and some of the Matt Rodriguez 80B Pusher models.
interested to try the softer formula conical shape, should help with the crusty spots.
Exited to try the Matt Rod's out when those are done.

Youre gonna love em they slide like crazy.. I was wondering if anybody has tried out satori wheels recently? I'm expecting a set of these tomorrow
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ducky darnsworth on January 25, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
my stoner cousin larry gave me some satoris a year ago, they gripped pretty well, slide alright, i liked them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Alotoflizards on January 25, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
my stoner cousin larry gave me some satoris a year ago, they gripped pretty well, slide alright, i liked them

Haha thank you
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 25, 2017, 10:54:19 PM
Just decided to try this new Crupie wheels and i'm fucking impressed. It's been 10 days it's better than the bones STF I had before.
For $28 I got a 52mm Tiago Lemos wheel and I highly recommend.

(http://www.crupie.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/tiago-lemos-crupie-wheels-600x600.jpg)



interesting...i am strongly considering giving them my monies...

damn you slap!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on January 26, 2017, 01:09:15 PM
Saw these on the Skatewarehouse site. Apparently Clouds in an ATV style?
(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=RICLBWH-WH-1.jpg&nw=435)
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ricta_Clouds_Black_92a_Wheels/descpage-RICLBWH.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ricta_Clouds_Black_92a_Wheels/descpage-RICLBWH.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on February 10, 2017, 04:40:12 PM
Has anyone ended up liking STFs and F4s?

I ended up getting some 55mm V4's after I heard from three different people that they smooth out rough streets. All I've done is roll and pop around, but they seem really nice! :o They almost feel like a super hard cruiser wheel (if that makes sense), with a slide thats more "squawky" and takes a tiny bit more effort than a 101 F4.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm a bones and spits guy. I'm anxious to give these a proper rundown.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on February 10, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
I just won those Ben raybourn v5s from the bones site giveaway, so we'll see. Hadn't had any for a long time, like 5 years or so, but I remember them rattling my teeth.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on February 10, 2017, 07:54:33 PM
I just won those Ben raybourn v5s from the bones site giveaway, so we'll see. Hadn't had any for a long time, like 5 years or so, but I remember them rattling my teeth.

I have a little patch of sidewalk on the side of my house, and with the same deck and trucks the stf's feel kind of softer than 101's. I think it has to do with the rebound.

I'm gonna sound crazy, but you still feel the ground.. The vibrations are just "higher frequency". The STF's vibrate, and F4's rattle. Just my opinion!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 11, 2017, 12:04:28 AM
Has anyone ended up liking STFs and F4s?

I ended up getting some 55mm V4's after I heard from three different people that they smooth out rough streets. All I've done is roll and pop around, but they seem really nice! :o They almost feel like a super hard cruiser wheel (if that makes sense), with a slide thats more "squawky" and takes a tiny bit more effort than a 101 F4.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm a bones and spits guy. I'm anxious to give these a proper rundown.
Me. IMO those two are only proper wheels out there right now, i prefer F4's on street as they slide so easily, and stf's on tranny as i find f4's a bit unpredictable on concrete sometimes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on February 11, 2017, 08:32:53 AM
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I have a little patch of sidewalk on the side of my house, and with the same deck and trucks the stf's feel kind of softer than 101's. I think it has to do with the rebound.

I'm gonna sound crazy, but you still feel the ground.. The vibrations are just "higher frequency". The STF's vibrate, and F4's rattle. Just my opinion!

See! This is why I prefer bones stf over formula fours, they're like hard cruiser wheels! They push so fast and smooth but still have some slide so you don't get stuck

They feel so good on concrete

That rattle on f4's throws me off so hard and the slip outs cause they're such slidy wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on February 11, 2017, 08:46:59 AM
Has anyone ended up liking STFs and F4s?

I ended up getting some 55mm V4's after I heard from three different people that they smooth out rough streets. All I've done is roll and pop around, but they seem really nice! :o They almost feel like a super hard cruiser wheel (if that makes sense), with a slide thats more "squawky" and takes a tiny bit more effort than a 101 F4.

I never thought I'd say this, but I'm a bones and spits guy. I'm anxious to give these a proper rundown.

Only if the F4s are wide like the like kwalks 54 conical fulls I'm on now.  Otherwise there is little else that is as glidey on city asphalt as stf.  The three sets of F4s I'd gotten before (classic, tablet, conical) were quickly switched back to stf as i'm not really tryin to push that much in my decrepitude.  I guess F4th time's the charm har
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on February 11, 2017, 08:59:02 AM
I don't think I can choose one over the other, they both have their strong points. STFs absorb the ground, while F4s bounce over it!

F4's do seem like they're slower to push around, but at the same time, if I knew I was going to be bombing a lot of hills.. I'd want to be on F4's. Maybe because thats what I'm used to?

I actually still like the feel of rock hard 101s, sometimes you just need to ride rocks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thespacewolf on March 29, 2017, 04:54:28 PM
Just got into softer wheels after riding 99a spits for forever.
Went from Ricta Sparx Shockwaves 86a (too soft) to Ricta Clouds 92a (almost perfect)
The problem I have with the clouds is that they're too bouncy and still a tad bit grippy. Has anyone gotten the Spitfire Soft D's? Would going 92 on those be the exactly the same thing as the clouds or should I just go for the 95 Soft D's?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on March 30, 2017, 08:40:13 AM
Just got into softer wheels after riding 99a spits for forever.
Went from Ricta Sparx Shockwaves 86a (too soft) to Ricta Clouds 92a (almost perfect)
The problem I have with the clouds is that they're too bouncy and still a tad bit grippy. Has anyone gotten the Spitfire Soft D's? Would going 92 on those be the exactly the same thing as the clouds or should I just go for the 95 Soft D's?

Never had the spitfires, but have some 95a pig wheels that are fun. In the 90s it seems like there were more options in 95a. Rowley had a 95a ojs wheel a few years ago and baker had one too. If you get the spitfires, post them up here!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 20matar on March 30, 2017, 10:48:25 AM
Just got into softer wheels after riding 99a spits for forever.
Went from Ricta Sparx Shockwaves 86a (too soft) to Ricta Clouds 92a (almost perfect)
The problem I have with the clouds is that they're too bouncy and still a tad bit grippy. Has anyone gotten the Spitfire Soft D's? Would going 92 on those be the exactly the same thing as the clouds or should I just go for the 95 Soft D's?

Ricta's, Reddit's number one wheels. Fuck Reddit, by the way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 30, 2017, 11:48:57 AM
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Just got into softer wheels after riding 99a spits for forever.
Went from Ricta Sparx Shockwaves 86a (too soft) to Ricta Clouds 92a (almost perfect)
The problem I have with the clouds is that they're too bouncy and still a tad bit grippy. Has anyone gotten the Spitfire Soft D's? Would going 92 on those be the exactly the same thing as the clouds or should I just go for the 95 Soft D's?
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Ricta's, Reddit's number one wheels. Fuck Reddit, by the way.

I was just on Reddit defending ricta a few weeks ago
Speed rings are great IMO
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Post by: Cherb on March 30, 2017, 12:37:08 PM
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Just got into softer wheels after riding 99a spits for forever.
Went from Ricta Sparx Shockwaves 86a (too soft) to Ricta Clouds 92a (almost perfect)
The problem I have with the clouds is that they're too bouncy and still a tad bit grippy. Has anyone gotten the Spitfire Soft D's? Would going 92 on those be the exactly the same thing as the clouds or should I just go for the 95 Soft D's?
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Ricta's, Reddit's number one wheels. Fuck Reddit, by the way.
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I was just on Reddit defending ricta a few weeks ago
Speed rings are great IMO
Rictas are awesome wheels. People just talk shit about them for the sole reason of talking shit. I wish they still made 53mm park crushers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: patrick c. on March 30, 2017, 12:39:27 PM
Just got into softer wheels after riding 99a spits for forever.
Went from Ricta Sparx Shockwaves 86a (too soft) to Ricta Clouds 92a (almost perfect)
The problem I have with the clouds is that they're too bouncy and still a tad bit grippy. Has anyone gotten the Spitfire Soft D's? Would going 92 on those be the exactly the same thing as the clouds or should I just go for the 95 Soft D's?
I've never had the Clouds but I've had a few sets of 92a Soft D's.  Based on what you said I think the 95 Soft D's would work better for you.  The 92a Spits powerslide fine but you need to give tail/bluntslides a little more effort if that makes sense.  I really like them(the 92 Spits) but I can only imagine they'd give you the same problems as the Clouds in regard to excess bounce/grip. 
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Post by: heritage on March 30, 2017, 06:43:23 PM
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Just got into softer wheels after riding 99a spits for forever.
Went from Ricta Sparx Shockwaves 86a (too soft) to Ricta Clouds 92a (almost perfect)
The problem I have with the clouds is that they're too bouncy and still a tad bit grippy. Has anyone gotten the Spitfire Soft D's? Would going 92 on those be the exactly the same thing as the clouds or should I just go for the 95 Soft D's?
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Ricta's, Reddit's number one wheels. Fuck Reddit, by the way.
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I was just on Reddit defending ricta a few weeks ago
Speed rings are great IMO
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Rictas are awesome wheels. People just talk shit about them for the sole reason of talking shit. I wish they still made 53mm park crushers.

BMCSteve hooked me up with a set of Westgate NRG tablet shaped 52, and I love them. No bullshitting. When I run out of my Autobahn stash (which will be in about 12-15 years) I'm skating Ricta wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on March 30, 2017, 07:34:04 PM
If they still made 53mm park crushers I would be skating those instead of radial slim F4s all day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on March 30, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
I skated some ricta NRGs a while back too and they skated fine. Felt just as good as F4s. Has anyone tried the new ghetto child wheels? I hear creative makes them but any comparison to F4s? Since that's mostly all I've skated recently.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on March 31, 2017, 01:51:44 AM
im gonna have to intervene and say everyone has their taste and i cant back rictas, tried a set of NRG sandovals and they were fast no doubt but hard as rocks, and not even slidy hard. just plain hard.

wheels i can back

#1 bones stf(good grip, slide, and fast. theyre like a cruiser street wheel)
#2 mini logo A cut/maybe even the c cut 101a wheels(theyre such a nice classic street wheel feel with such good grip and feel, better than spit classics)
#3 spitfire  F4 either radial or classics
#4 i wanna say girl/chocolate wheels but i gotta get another set again, i think they felt like the mini logo 101a

other wheels ive tried(gold, spit classic, pig, ricta nrg, bones 100, and im forgetting one...) have nothing on these, also the mini logo really arent the same formula as bones 100 with a different name.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on March 31, 2017, 06:12:13 AM
im gonna have to intervene and say everyone has their taste and i cant back rictas, tried a set of NRG sandovals and they were fast no doubt but hard as rocks, and not even slidy hard. just plain hard.

wheels i can back

#1 bones stf(good grip, slide, and fast. theyre like a cruiser street wheel)
#2 mini logo A cut/maybe even the c cut 101a wheels(theyre such a nice classic street wheel feel with such good grip and feel, better than spit classics)
#3 spitfire  F4 either radial or classics
#4 i wanna say girl/chocolate wheels but i gotta get another set again, i think they felt like the mini logo 101a

other wheels ive tried(gold, spit classic, pig, ricta nrg, bones 100, and im forgetting one...) have nothing on these, also the mini logo really arent the same formula as bones 100 with a different name.

Mini logos are grippy but then all of a sudden slip out without warning IMO. Formula Fours are way more predictable and easier to slide but still grippy enough. Perfect. Unless you're on rough terrain. Then you'll need something softer (which is also sadly grippier).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 01, 2017, 12:41:40 AM
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im gonna have to intervene and say everyone has their taste and i cant back rictas, tried a set of NRG sandovals and they were fast no doubt but hard as rocks, and not even slidy hard. just plain hard.

wheels i can back

#1 bones stf(good grip, slide, and fast. theyre like a cruiser street wheel)
#2 mini logo A cut/maybe even the c cut 101a wheels(theyre such a nice classic street wheel feel with such good grip and feel, better than spit classics)
#3 spitfire  F4 either radial or classics
#4 i wanna say girl/chocolate wheels but i gotta get another set again, i think they felt like the mini logo 101a

other wheels ive tried(gold, spit classic, pig, ricta nrg, bones 100, and im forgetting one...) have nothing on these, also the mini logo really arent the same formula as bones 100 with a different name.
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Mini logos are grippy but then all of a sudden slip out without warning IMO. Formula Fours are way more predictable and easier to slide but still grippy enough. Perfect. Unless you're on rough terrain. Then you'll need something softer (which is also sadly grippier).

I barely skate parks and I'm 90% on the streets, spitfire formula four 99 or 101 aren't as forgiving on street and aren't as fast as bones stf. When you skate on formula fours for days and try stf it's such a crazy difference, I rode formula fours for like 2 years and I was dead set on them then wondered why i dropped stf and tried them again and noticed they feel way smoother and faster
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 01, 2017, 02:16:13 AM
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im gonna have to intervene and say everyone has their taste and i cant back rictas, tried a set of NRG sandovals and they were fast no doubt but hard as rocks, and not even slidy hard. just plain hard.

wheels i can back

#1 bones stf(good grip, slide, and fast. theyre like a cruiser street wheel)
#2 mini logo A cut/maybe even the c cut 101a wheels(theyre such a nice classic street wheel feel with such good grip and feel, better than spit classics)
#3 spitfire  F4 either radial or classics
#4 i wanna say girl/chocolate wheels but i gotta get another set again, i think they felt like the mini logo 101a

other wheels ive tried(gold, spit classic, pig, ricta nrg, bones 100, and im forgetting one...) have nothing on these, also the mini logo really arent the same formula as bones 100 with a different name.
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Mini logos are grippy but then all of a sudden slip out without warning IMO. Formula Fours are way more predictable and easier to slide but still grippy enough. Perfect. Unless you're on rough terrain. Then you'll need something softer (which is also sadly grippier).
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I barely skate parks and I'm 90% on the streets, spitfire formula four 99 or 101 aren't as forgiving on street and aren't as fast as bones stf. When you skate on formula fours for days and try stf it's such a crazy difference, I rode formula fours for like 2 years and I was dead set on them then wondered why i dropped stf and tried them again and noticed they feel way smoother and faster

I've never skated Bones wheels. Something about the image just puts me off so I never tried them. Also streets here in Finland are mostly so crusty that you're not gonna have fun skating around with hard wheels. Even 54 mm 86A Keyframes feel too hard at some points. Skating from spot to spot just isn't all that fun on hard wheels sadly and skating at a spot with soft wheels sucks as well. I'm not opposed to trying some Bones wheels but so far I haven't really seen a reason to try them out I guess.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Pigeon on April 01, 2017, 07:12:46 AM
Spitfire F4 Classics in 54mm for the past three years. I only have to get new wheels every 2-3 months instead of monthly. I kind of want to try something new, so does anyone fuck with PFC?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 01, 2017, 07:16:02 AM
in the same boat, need new wheels in the next month or two, tempted to try to something else but i feel like i'll instantly regret it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 01, 2017, 07:55:59 AM
Spitfire F4 Classics in 54mm for the past three years. I only have to get new wheels every 2-3 months instead of monthly. I kind of want to try something new, so does anyone fuck with PFC?
do you like your wheels teeth-rattling hard? if you do you'll dig PFC
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jamersonbass on April 01, 2017, 03:57:15 PM
I've been on an F4 101 Radial Slim kick for the last year.  I've been riding 52's pretty religiously but wanted to try something different that wasn't too drastic, so I've got some F4 99 Conical 53's on the way.  I'm hoping to have a tranny setup (I suck at tranny and really want to get better before age get's the best of me) and a street setup.  I'll set the Conicals up on the bigger board and put my Radial Slims with a ton of life left on the smaller setup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on April 01, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
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im gonna have to intervene and say everyone has their taste and i cant back rictas, tried a set of NRG sandovals and they were fast no doubt but hard as rocks, and not even slidy hard. just plain hard.

wheels i can back

#1 bones stf(good grip, slide, and fast. theyre like a cruiser street wheel)
#2 mini logo A cut/maybe even the c cut 101a wheels(theyre such a nice classic street wheel feel with such good grip and feel, better than spit classics)
#3 spitfire  F4 either radial or classics
#4 i wanna say girl/chocolate wheels but i gotta get another set again, i think they felt like the mini logo 101a

other wheels ive tried(gold, spit classic, pig, ricta nrg, bones 100, and im forgetting one...) have nothing on these, also the mini logo really arent the same formula as bones 100 with a different name.
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Mini logos are grippy but then all of a sudden slip out without warning IMO. Formula Fours are way more predictable and easier to slide but still grippy enough. Perfect. Unless you're on rough terrain. Then you'll need something softer (which is also sadly grippier).
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I barely skate parks and I'm 90% on the streets, spitfire formula four 99 or 101 aren't as forgiving on street and aren't as fast as bones stf. When you skate on formula fours for days and try stf it's such a crazy difference, I rode formula fours for like 2 years and I was dead set on them then wondered why i dropped stf and tried them again and noticed they feel way smoother and faster
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I've never skated Bones wheels. Something about the image just puts me off so I never tried them. Also streets here in Finland are mostly so crusty that you're not gonna have fun skating around with hard wheels. Even 54 mm 86A Keyframes feel too hard at some points. Skating from spot to spot just isn't all that fun on hard wheels sadly and skating at a spot with soft wheels sucks as well. I'm not opposed to trying some Bones wheels but so far I haven't really seen a reason to try them out I guess.

You really should give bones a shot! I was always against them for no reason, but there's plenty of reasons to drop some cash. They smooth out rough streets but still slide nice. Don't judge the wheel by its marketing lol.

I got some 55mm's, and they're the closest thing to a "cruiser street wheel" you'll ever ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on April 01, 2017, 08:07:38 PM
Yeah I always thought Bones were wack too, but I've been riding SPF on tranny for like half a year now and they're pretty perfect. Never slip out, nice screeching slide, and they make F4's seem sluggish. Definitely wanna try some STF's too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 02, 2017, 08:46:21 AM
Maybe I'll give the Bones a shot sometime once my leg has healed up and I've ran out of Formula Fours. I doubt they'll be any good for the crusty streets here though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 02, 2017, 01:06:08 PM
Maybe I'll give the Bones a shot sometime once my leg has healed up and I've ran out of Formula Fours. I doubt they'll be any good for the crusty streets here though.
I prefer bones stf's over f4's,there isn't that much difference between those two but I still like my bones little bit more as they being more grippy. Not sure what you meant by saying that you doubt for bones being any good for our shitty asphalt, they are as good as formula fours? If you want smooth ride here in Finland you have to have soft wheels under 90a duro and both f4's and stf's are hard as rock .... i tried both 99 and 101 f4' and ended up skating bones stf's again....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 02, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
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Maybe I'll give the Bones a shot sometime once my leg has healed up and I've ran out of Formula Fours. I doubt they'll be any good for the crusty streets here though.
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I prefer bones stf's over f4's,there isn't that much difference between those two but I still like my bones little bit more as they being more grippy. Not sure what you meant by saying that you doubt for bones being any good for our shitty asphalt, they are as good as formula fours? If you want smooth ride here in Finland you have to have soft wheels under 90a duro and both f4's and stf's are hard as rock .... i tried both 99 and 101 f4' and ended up skating bones stf's again....

The guys were suggesting that they are better for rough terrain than Formula Fours and I was just stating that I don't think they'd work nicely here at all like you just confirmed. I've got 86A Keyframes on my other set up for a smoother ride and I just set up a cruiser with 78A Ricta Clouds to have an even smoother ride when my leg is good enough for skating again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 02, 2017, 03:39:45 PM
Hey guys, I'm here trying to choose between a set of OJ's Insaneathane and this new Croupie brand. They are priced the same (the OJ's are on sale) so I'm kinda divided. Safest bet would be probably the OJ's but I also would love to give Tiago Lemos, Carlos Ribeiro and friends some money...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 02, 2017, 04:09:40 PM
Hey guys, I'm here trying to choose between a set of OJ's Insaneathane and this new Croupie brand. They are priced the same (the OJ's are on sale) so I'm kinda divided. Safest bet would be probably the OJ's but I also would love to give Tiago Lemos, Carlos Ribeiro and friends some money...

Trust me with this, OJ insane a thane feel like a slower bones stf, so get the croupie. I heard they're pretty legit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 02, 2017, 04:32:42 PM
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Hey guys, I'm here trying to choose between a set of OJ's Insaneathane and this new Croupie brand. They are priced the same (the OJ's are on sale) so I'm kinda divided. Safest bet would be probably the OJ's but I also would love to give Tiago Lemos, Carlos Ribeiro and friends some money...
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Trust me with this, OJ insane a thane feel like a slower bones stf, so get the croupie. I heard they're pretty legit.

Actually after making the post I just said fuck it and went with the Crupie ones! If they are good enough for Tiago, who rides rough brazilian ground, then they're good for me.  :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 02, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
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Hey guys, I'm here trying to choose between a set of OJ's Insaneathane and this new Croupie brand. They are priced the same (the OJ's are on sale) so I'm kinda divided. Safest bet would be probably the OJ's but I also would love to give Tiago Lemos, Carlos Ribeiro and friends some money...
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Trust me with this, OJ insane a thane feel like a slower bones stf, so get the croupie. I heard they're pretty legit.
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Actually after making the post I just said fuck it and went with the Crupie ones! If they are good enough for Tiago, who rides rough brazilian ground, then they're good for me.  :)
Better choice. I went for the 101a 54mm e-z shape. Slippery as hell in the beginning but now they feel slow and are a drag to slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rails on April 02, 2017, 11:28:31 PM
on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 03, 2017, 02:43:28 AM
on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
Bones stf's, sometimes bearings just fall off when you remove wheels from axle.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 03, 2017, 04:16:51 AM
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on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
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Bones stf's, sometimes bearings just fall off when you remove wheels from axle.

Bones stf all the way
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 03, 2017, 06:08:22 AM
does anyone skate oj's as their main street wheel? seems like a really unpopular choice? I guess they make their money of those keyframe wheels and cruisers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rails on April 03, 2017, 07:38:24 AM
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on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
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Bones stf's, sometimes bearings just fall off when you remove wheels from axle.
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Bones stf all the way

this is annoying of me but i also won't do bones since the only bones i can find are 100 and up durometer and i want 99. any wheel brands that are good for bearing maintenance that are 99 ?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rails on April 03, 2017, 08:26:00 AM
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on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
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Bones stf's, sometimes bearings just fall off when you remove wheels from axle.
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Bones stf all the way
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this is annoying of me but i also won't do bones since the only bones i can find are 100 and up durometer and i want 99. any wheel brands that are good for bearing maintenance that are 99 ?

does anyone have experience with the ricta nyjah gold core white 53mm in regards to bearing input and output?
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Post by: Cherb on April 03, 2017, 09:03:10 AM
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on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
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Bones stf's, sometimes bearings just fall off when you remove wheels from axle.
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Bones stf all the way
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this is annoying of me but i also won't do bones since the only bones i can find are 100 and up durometer and i want 99. any wheel brands that are good for bearing maintenance that are 99 ?
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does anyone have experience with the ricta nyjah gold core white 53mm in regards to bearing input and output?
Not with those specific wheels but my rictas were the biggest pain in the ass to get my bearings in and out of.
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Post by: rails on April 03, 2017, 09:44:38 AM
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on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
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Bones stf's, sometimes bearings just fall off when you remove wheels from axle.
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Bones stf all the way
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this is annoying of me but i also won't do bones since the only bones i can find are 100 and up durometer and i want 99. any wheel brands that are good for bearing maintenance that are 99 ?
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does anyone have experience with the ricta nyjah gold core white 53mm in regards to bearing input and output?
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Not with those specific wheels but my rictas were the biggest pain in the ass to get my bearings in and out of.

thanmks for the input. what rictas do u have?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on April 03, 2017, 09:55:13 AM
I had the 53mm Park Crushers. My favorite wheel ever that they don't make anymore. They were 83b instead of 81b.
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Post by: rob on April 03, 2017, 04:30:37 PM
does anyone skate oj's as their main street wheel? seems like a really unpopular choice? I guess they make their money of those keyframe wheels and cruisers

Trust, the insane a thane 101 feel about like a bones stf but they're slow, you gotta push and push and push to get anywhere. They're not bad feeling they're just annoyingly slow.

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on my second set of spitfires and a major problem is that the bearings are hard to remove and put in.

are rictas better?

if not, what brands are good for this purpose?
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Bones stf's, sometimes bearings just fall off when you remove wheels from axle.
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Bones stf all the way
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this is annoying of me but i also won't do bones since the only bones i can find are 100 and up durometer and i want 99. any wheel brands that are good for bearing maintenance that are 99 ?

There was a thing somewhere(I think that ratvision skate videos guy) who said that the durometer of a wheel doesn't do justice, it's the formula. It's true too cause I swear my stf are smoother and softer than my spit classic 99a, the classics are so slick and stiff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on April 03, 2017, 04:53:58 PM
Absolutely, formula means a lot more than durometer. Bones stf's feel softer than 99a F4's too..

OJ's formula is hard and slow. Even their 92a ditch witches feel as hard as F4s. Shits all fucked up. My favourite formula is still 101a F4, it just feels right. I like bones but they're almost too easy to slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HFS40000 on April 03, 2017, 06:34:07 PM
I've been into soft wheels lately, I had some ricta clouds, the 86a ones and they were a little too soft and bouncy, plus they were super wide and just felt really bulky.  I switched up to some Autobahn Torus 54's, they're 90a and feel just right so far.  Thinner and grippy, softer than most wheels without feeling like a longboard. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rails on April 03, 2017, 07:39:20 PM
I've been into soft wheels lately, I had some ricta clouds, the 86a ones and they were a little too soft and bouncy, plus they were super wide and just felt really bulky.  I switched up to some Autobahn Torus 54's, they're 90a and feel just right so far.  Thinner and grippy, softer than most wheels without feeling like a longboard. 

Regarding the Autobahn Torus 54s, are bearings reasonably easy to install and take out? Thank you for the commentary.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HFS40000 on April 03, 2017, 08:29:48 PM
I haven't had any problems taking out the bearings.  Usually harder wheels are tougher for me to pull them out of, but these ones are a little more flexible.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on April 04, 2017, 05:44:13 AM
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I've been into soft wheels lately, I had some ricta clouds, the 86a ones and they were a little too soft and bouncy, plus they were super wide and just felt really bulky.  I switched up to some Autobahn Torus 54's, they're 90a and feel just right so far.  Thinner and grippy, softer than most wheels without feeling like a longboard. 
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Regarding the Autobahn Torus 54s, are bearings reasonably easy to install and take out? Thank you for the commentary.

Dude, the bearings being hard to set up/remove is a good thing! It means that they will fit nice and snug in the wheel and you will not have any issues with the bearing socket slackening. You are probably using a wrong technique. I don't know much about longboard wheels but regarding the regular street skating ones that I have been using all my life, if you have a decent set of wheels it should be impossible to install the bearings using only pressure from your fingertips. You have to set the board sideways, place a bearing on the trucks and use your body weight to slam the wheel down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 04, 2017, 09:50:35 AM
I'm a fan of the OJ insane-a-thane (stupid marketing be damned), hardline shape. I don't find them slow at all compared to STFs in a park setting, quite the opposite; SPF over OJs in park all day tho. They 'regular' OJs are slow and soft in parks but feel just fine on regular street, like wayward and f4s.

STFs still feel weird tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rails on April 04, 2017, 08:48:36 PM
[...] bearing socket slackening. [...]

some bearing socket slack is good for cushioning impact
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on April 04, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Nah man. You want your bearings to be nice and snug in your wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on April 05, 2017, 12:10:24 AM
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some bearing socket slack is good for cushioning impact

yeah, especially if you fill the gaps with felt
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 05, 2017, 10:54:44 AM
I'm thinking g about getting crupie's. Team/overall vibe are sick! Anyone have these?
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Post by: 20matar on April 05, 2017, 03:09:52 PM
I'm thinking g about getting crupie's. Team/overall vibe are sick! Anyone have these?

You could just wait until four people get a set and beg for their fifth wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on April 05, 2017, 03:35:40 PM
Pretty sure someone here just got some, maybe in the recent purchases thread
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Post by: rails on April 05, 2017, 06:51:39 PM
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some bearing socket slack is good for cushioning impact
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yeah, especially if you fill the gaps with felt

haha.. im gonna coin a term here "bearing feel" basically i always rode the cheapest stock wheels until my most recent two sets which were spitfires.. classics and bigheads.. bearings fit a lot tighter into these and the wheels are more noticeable. but in having the wheels more noticeable u lose some bearing feel that comes with the socket slack.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on April 05, 2017, 07:55:40 PM
After being a little unsure for a while, i've realized I love my Orbs Ghost Lights. They just always feel hard and fast, they dont take much effort to slide. I have some in 54mm on my normal set up and 52 on my extra board. They haven't seemed to lose any chunks the way f4s sometimes do, no flat spots yet either.
(http://www.tactics.com/a/8xuo/2/welcome-orbs-ghost-lites-hollow-core-skateboard-wheels-white-mint-102a.jpg)
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Post by: Bumpovertrash on April 06, 2017, 02:55:35 AM
After being a little unsure for a while, i've realized I love my Orbs Ghost Lights. They just always feel hard and fast, they dont take much effort to slide. I have some in 54mm on my normal set up and 52 on my extra board. They haven't seemed to lose any chunks the way f4s sometimes do, no flat spots yet either.
(http://www.tactics.com/a/8xuo/2/welcome-orbs-ghost-lites-hollow-core-skateboard-wheels-white-mint-102a.jpg)
Was thinking about trying these but haven't rode cores wheels ina decade.last ones I had were Darkstar unbreakable bullahit and the core popped out in a week. I was skating parking blocks and 3 stairs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 06, 2017, 03:26:30 AM
Pretty sure someone here just got some, maybe in the recent purchases thread
Why thank you my good man.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 06, 2017, 05:11:21 AM
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After being a little unsure for a while, i've realized I love my Orbs Ghost Lights. They just always feel hard and fast, they dont take much effort to slide. I have some in 54mm on my normal set up and 52 on my extra board. They haven't seemed to lose any chunks the way f4s sometimes do, no flat spots yet either.
(http://www.tactics.com/a/8xuo/2/welcome-orbs-ghost-lites-hollow-core-skateboard-wheels-white-mint-102a.jpg)
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Was thinking about trying these but haven't rode cores wheels ina decade.last ones I had were Darkstar unbreakable bullahit and the core popped out in a week. I was skating parking blocks and 3 stairs

(http://www.hardcorehobbieshq.com/productimages/sk024.png)

I was using this muckefuck ones that look the exact same as the welcome ones (probably made on the same place) and they were the best wheels i've ever had. Fast, light, slide great, durable... Probably kinda slippery on parks but they are a hard wheel anyway. If the welcome are the same I wouldnt be scared to try them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on April 06, 2017, 06:54:38 AM
I copped some old Danny Renaud Paradise wheels for cheap from my local, only skated them on a flat a little yesterday. They felt a little soft for being 101s as compared to the F4s (99&101) I've been on for a while. But otherwise they felt fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on April 07, 2017, 06:18:36 AM
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After being a little unsure for a while, i've realized I love my Orbs Ghost Lights. They just always feel hard and fast, they dont take much effort to slide. I have some in 54mm on my normal set up and 52 on my extra board. They haven't seemed to lose any chunks the way f4s sometimes do, no flat spots yet either.
(http://www.tactics.com/a/8xuo/2/welcome-orbs-ghost-lites-hollow-core-skateboard-wheels-white-mint-102a.jpg)
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Was thinking about trying these but haven't rode cores wheels ina decade.last ones I had were Darkstar unbreakable bullahit and the core popped out in a week. I was skating parking blocks and 3 stairs
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(http://www.hardcorehobbieshq.com/productimages/sk024.png)

I was using this muckefuck ones that look the exact same as the welcome ones (probably made on the same place) and they were the best wheels i've ever had. Fast, light, slide great, durable... Probably kinda slippery on parks but they are a hard wheel anyway. If the welcome are the same I wouldnt be scared to try them.

exactly, i used to ride only cored wheels for a while (when i freaked with bones bearing cages slackening) and was using mainly rictas. Apart from the inedible flatspot i was very happy with the performance. Have seen flip sidecuts and also those shitty element featherlights breaking but my whole experience with core wheels is that if it is a decent set then they are not going to disappoint. These welcome/muckfuck ones look extra light
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on April 07, 2017, 06:45:59 AM
RIP Darkstar Lightknights. My favorite wheel I've ever skated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 09, 2017, 07:35:32 AM
Does darkstar really make good formula wheels ?

I read Chet had darkstar originally as a wheel company and focused on darkstar doing top wheels for a moment then being forced to strictly do boards and starting wreck to continue his wheels thing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on April 09, 2017, 10:55:35 AM
No they don't. But the used to. Boooyy did they used to.
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Post by: Zimmer on April 09, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
Yup, I remember darkstar being a legit wheel choice back in the day. Now I would probably just try wreck instead.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 12, 2017, 07:53:32 AM
Thanks for the feedback I was wondering cause warehouse had a sale on them and I remember my best friend had the same feeling about the light Knights, I wanna try some wreck but from the reviews I've seen everyone who rode bones stf previously still prefer stf over wreck and I hardcore love my stf's

Riding on some 53mm v5 and I love them, starting to have OCD on the shape here and there though and craving some classic v1, not too wide not too thin, classic shape and stf formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 12, 2017, 08:21:58 AM
From what I remember the dark stars had that really hard hard plastic feel and stf's have that slightly softer feel....
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Post by: Cherb on April 12, 2017, 09:06:37 AM
They were definitely hard as fuck.
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Post by: TheBoognish on April 12, 2017, 11:48:29 AM
Does darkstar really make good formula wheels ?

I read Chet had darkstar originally as a wheel company and focused on darkstar doing top wheels for a moment then being forced to strictly do boards and starting wreck to continue his wheels thing

Best wheels in the game in the early 2000's. Don't know about now, I doubt they're as good as they used to.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HFS40000 on April 12, 2017, 12:45:05 PM
Has anyone skated Ghetto Child's (ghetto children?) since they rebooted? I like the shape of them but haven't heard anything about the formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Twig88 on April 12, 2017, 12:53:25 PM
I've been riding some 86a Ricta Clouds for a few weeks now and though they took a little getting used to, I'm really enjoying them. The roll a lot smoother than the 92a Spitfire Soft Ds on rough ground (unsurprisingly) but I don't feel I've sacrificed any rebound to get that magic carpet feel. I'm not hitting a lot of ledges but they do slide if you push in to them on nose/tailslides and they feel good on flip tricks. My frontside flips kinda scrape and these don't kill me which I'm taking as a good sign. They definitely have a soft wheel bounce that takes some getting used to. I'd say they are light years better than a Spitfire 80hd though.

I'm in the UK and spend a lot of my skate time just pushing around town so smooth ride is a priority. I never intended these to be used for more than that, but I take them out instead of my 92a Soft Ds because they have no real downside and they ride better. I'm planning to try both the 92a Clouds and the 95a Soft Ds to get a full spectrum. Just not sure which to get first.

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thespacewolf on April 12, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
I've been riding some 86a Ricta Clouds for a few weeks now and though they took a little getting used to, I'm really enjoying them. The roll a lot smoother than the 92a Spitfire Soft Ds on rough ground (unsurprisingly) but I don't feel I've sacrificed any rebound to get that magic carpet feel. I'm not hitting a lot of ledges but they do slide if you push in to them on nose/tailslides and they feel good on flip tricks. My frontside flips kinda scrape and these don't kill me which I'm taking as a good sign. They definitely have a soft wheel bounce that takes some getting used to. I'd say they are light years better than a Spitfire 80hd though.

I'm in the UK and spend a lot of my skate time just pushing around town so smooth ride is a priority. I never intended these to be used for more than that, but I take them out instead of my 92a Soft Ds because they have no real downside and they ride better. I'm planning to try both the 92a Clouds and the 95a Soft Ds to get a full spectrum. Just not sure which to get first.

I'm currently riding the 95a Soft Ds and they're exactly what I'm looking for. I was in love with F4s, but wanted a softer ride, so I tried the 92a clouds, which we're still a tad bit grippier and bouncier than I wanted, then went to the 95a Soft Ds.

In your case, I'd say you're in a good spot. I would imagine that the 92a Soft Ds aren't as different as the 92a clouds, but they are different brands so who knows. With the 95a you're probably going to feel the rough ground more than you would like. Also I live/skate in southern California and don't skate around rough roads, which would probably explain my love for a somewhat harder wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dr-Feelgood on April 12, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
Has anyone skated Ghetto Child's (ghetto children?) since they rebooted? I like the shape of them but haven't heard anything about the formula.

Havent really heard anything but i plan on getting a whole new set up this summer, was thinking about getting ghetto child wheels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 12, 2017, 06:46:29 PM
Best wheels in the game in the early 2000's.
core tech from Australia tho :o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on April 13, 2017, 12:22:56 PM
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I've been riding some 86a Ricta Clouds for a few weeks now and though they took a little getting used to, I'm really enjoying them. The roll a lot smoother than the 92a Spitfire Soft Ds on rough ground (unsurprisingly) but I don't feel I've sacrificed any rebound to get that magic carpet feel. I'm not hitting a lot of ledges but they do slide if you push in to them on nose/tailslides and they feel good on flip tricks. My frontside flips kinda scrape and these don't kill me which I'm taking as a good sign. They definitely have a soft wheel bounce that takes some getting used to. I'd say they are light years better than a Spitfire 80hd though.

I'm in the UK and spend a lot of my skate time just pushing around town so smooth ride is a priority. I never intended these to be used for more than that, but I take them out instead of my 92a Soft Ds because they have no real downside and they ride better. I'm planning to try both the 92a Clouds and the 95a Soft Ds to get a full spectrum. Just not sure which to get first.
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I'm currently riding the 95a Soft Ds and they're exactly what I'm looking for. I was in love with F4s, but wanted a softer ride, so I tried the 92a clouds, which we're still a tad bit grippier and bouncier than I wanted, then went to the 95a Soft Ds.

In your case, I'd say you're in a good spot. I would imagine that the 92a Soft Ds aren't as different as the 92a clouds, but they are different brands so who knows. With the 95a you're probably going to feel the rough ground more than you would like. Also I live/skate in southern California and don't skate around rough roads, which would probably explain my love for a somewhat harder wheel.

I'm really loving the 78a clouds on my cruiser set up now. They're even reasonably slideable on rougher concrete.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldManSkate on April 13, 2017, 12:30:45 PM
Anybody try Pusher Wheels? Curious on how they ride but my heart is telling me to stick to F4's...they've never let me down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 21, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
how do stf v5s stack up against say formula fours? rocked some 56mm stf v5s for a year and need a new set, dunno whether to grab another set of stfs (probably 54's), try formula fours or maybe give spfs or even speedlab a shot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 21, 2017, 11:57:48 AM
how do stf v5s stack up against say formula fours? rocked some 56mm stf v5s for a year and need a new set, dunno whether to grab another set of stfs (probably 54's), try formula fours or maybe give spfs or even speedlab a shot.

I went from the 99a Classic shape Formula 4s to V5 Bones. The Bones definitely feel more slippery and plasticky. As for an accurate comparison, just picked up 101a Conical Fulls off skatewarehouse
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on April 21, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
101a conical full  ;D
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Post by: thebacker on April 21, 2017, 03:10:10 PM
101a conical full  ;D
101s are perrrrrect. ive been riding the classic 101s 53mm and they slide when i need to and not when i dont
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on April 21, 2017, 03:14:09 PM
101 radial slims are sooo good tho.
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Post by: rob on April 21, 2017, 06:12:15 PM
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how do stf v5s stack up against say formula fours? rocked some 56mm stf v5s for a year and need a new set, dunno whether to grab another set of stfs (probably 54's), try formula fours or maybe give spfs or even speedlab a shot.
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I went from the 99a Classic shape Formula 4s to V5 Bones. The Bones definitely feel more slippery and plasticky. As for an accurate comparison, just picked up 101a Conical Fulls off skatewarehouse

Maybe at a park but I skate street almost everyday and bones stf feel way smoother and faster than formula fours. Formula fours on street are slower and rattle 99 or 101. If you push around streets with each on different setups for like 10 min each you'll notice what I'm saying, I was riding formula fours and swore they were the best wheels for 2 years then I switched around back to stf and best switch I've made, so much faster and smoother and grippier. The formula fours are for easy slides even when your rolling slow cause power slides before were usually only done bombing a hill or slowing down after picking up speed landing a trick but not the way we do it now just sliding around with trendy tricks and trying to slow down with style before you hit a ledge or curb, if you skate street/ harsh actual asphalt and rough cement streets bones stf, if you just skate at the park I think whatever you like is good cause the floors all Nice and smooth
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 24, 2017, 10:23:43 AM
word the stfs are pretty plasticky, when i first got mine i was cruising down my street and chucked the first powerslide on em and ate shit so fucking bad. after looking around i think im gonna get some spfs but im on the line about sizes; i got away with 56mm stfs on thunder 149 team hi's and 1/4 pig risers but i dunno if i should go 56 again or make a jump to some nice looking 60mm schroeder spfs. most likely be on an 8.38 and i mostly skate transition with the occasional street spot thrown in, just wondering what sort of riser setup/bolts i'd need, probably a 1/2 inch riser and the 1 1/2 inch bolts?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on April 24, 2017, 10:17:57 PM
A quarter inch riser should suffice (1 1/4th hardware). I had 149's with 59mm hard wheels and I had them super loose--1/4th was fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 25, 2017, 03:43:37 AM
oh word nice, i didnt know 1 1/4th hardware existed it seems nowhere localish stocks it - was running 1 inch bolts on 1/4 risers and had to periodically tighten em up or the fuckers would come loose, lost a few bolts cus of that. still unsure if 60 would be too big for myself but fuck it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on April 25, 2017, 05:17:19 AM
Yeah I dunno, I skate a lot tranny too and the biggest I can go is 56mm. Any bigger and I can't flip my board well. Also like loose trucks and not a fan of big ass risers (1/8th is ok though)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 25, 2017, 10:53:18 AM
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how do stf v5s stack up against say formula fours? rocked some 56mm stf v5s for a year and need a new set, dunno whether to grab another set of stfs (probably 54's), try formula fours or maybe give spfs or even speedlab a shot.
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I went from the 99a Classic shape Formula 4s to V5 Bones. The Bones definitely feel more slippery and plasticky. As for an accurate comparison, just picked up 101a Conical Fulls off skatewarehouse
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Maybe at a park but I skate street almost everyday and bones stf feel way smoother and faster than formula fours. Formula fours on street are slower and rattle 99 or 101. If you push around streets with each on different setups for like 10 min each you'll notice what I'm saying, I was riding formula fours and swore they were the best wheels for 2 years then I switched around back to stf and best switch I've made, so much faster and smoother and grippier. The formula fours are for easy slides even when your rolling slow cause power slides before were usually only done bombing a hill or slowing down after picking up speed landing a trick but not the way we do it now just sliding around with trendy tricks and trying to slow down with style before you hit a ledge or curb, if you skate street/ harsh actual asphalt and rough cement streets bones stf, if you just skate at the park I think whatever you like is good cause the floors all Nice and smooth

Alright, got the Spitfires. Haven't done much because of school and work but, feel better than the EZ edge OJs. Could be the hype to be back on Spitfire but I felt faster and slides are way easier, I can actually get my front wheels to slide instead of having to pump or revert.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 29, 2017, 11:08:53 AM
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how do stf v5s stack up against say formula fours? rocked some 56mm stf v5s for a year and need a new set, dunno whether to grab another set of stfs (probably 54's), try formula fours or maybe give spfs or even speedlab a shot.
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I went from the 99a Classic shape Formula 4s to V5 Bones. The Bones definitely feel more slippery and plasticky. As for an accurate comparison, just picked up 101a Conical Fulls off skatewarehouse

The V5/P5 (OJ Hardline) is one of my favorite shapes for wheels (barring the Spit AWOL, come on DLX, bring it back).

It's apples to oranges, you couldn't have more of a different feel between wheels.

For me, if I'm skating smooth street, let's say a park setting, good parking lots, whatever, STFs (hell for park street skating only I'd go spfs). Shitty streets and harsh terrain, F4s (or wayward/regular OJs all the way) as they're hard, slide and grip but they are a tad bit forgiving when it comes to rattle as they feel softer to me than STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on May 01, 2017, 08:18:37 PM
word the stfs are pretty plasticky, when i first got mine i was cruising down my street and chucked the first powerslide on em and ate shit so fucking bad. after looking around i think im gonna get some spfs but im on the line about sizes; i got away with 56mm stfs on thunder 149 team hi's and 1/4 pig risers but i dunno if i should go 56 again or make a jump to some nice looking 60mm schroeder spfs. most likely be on an 8.38 and i mostly skate transition with the occasional street spot thrown in, just wondering what sort of riser setup/bolts i'd need, probably a 1/2 inch riser and the 1 1/2 inch bolts?

I bought half inch risers once. I've never found a use for them that 1/4" risers don't meet.

1/2" risers are 12.5mm. So running 1/2" risers for 60mm gives the same ratio as riding 47.5mm wheels with no risers - maybe a bit overkill.

1/4" risers with 60mm means you're running the equivalent of 54mm with no risers.
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Post by: Roisto on May 01, 2017, 08:50:59 PM
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word the stfs are pretty plasticky, when i first got mine i was cruising down my street and chucked the first powerslide on em and ate shit so fucking bad. after looking around i think im gonna get some spfs but im on the line about sizes; i got away with 56mm stfs on thunder 149 team hi's and 1/4 pig risers but i dunno if i should go 56 again or make a jump to some nice looking 60mm schroeder spfs. most likely be on an 8.38 and i mostly skate transition with the occasional street spot thrown in, just wondering what sort of riser setup/bolts i'd need, probably a 1/2 inch riser and the 1 1/2 inch bolts?
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I bought half inch risers once. I've never found a use for them that 1/4" risers don't meet.

1/2" risers are 12.5mm. So running 1/2" risers for 60mm gives the same ratio as riding 47.5mm wheels with no risers - maybe a bit overkill.

1/4" risers with 60mm means you're running the equivalent of 54mm with no risers.

Actually, the difference in 54 mm and 60 mm wheels is 6 mm, but only half of that (3 mm) is between the axle and the board, so a 1/8" (3.175 mm) riser would give you about the same clearance on a 60 mm wheel as a 54 mm wheel with no riser.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on May 01, 2017, 11:27:48 PM
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word the stfs are pretty plasticky, when i first got mine i was cruising down my street and chucked the first powerslide on em and ate shit so fucking bad. after looking around i think im gonna get some spfs but im on the line about sizes; i got away with 56mm stfs on thunder 149 team hi's and 1/4 pig risers but i dunno if i should go 56 again or make a jump to some nice looking 60mm schroeder spfs. most likely be on an 8.38 and i mostly skate transition with the occasional street spot thrown in, just wondering what sort of riser setup/bolts i'd need, probably a 1/2 inch riser and the 1 1/2 inch bolts?
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I bought half inch risers once. I've never found a use for them that 1/4" risers don't meet.

1/2" risers are 12.5mm. So running 1/2" risers for 60mm gives the same ratio as riding 47.5mm wheels with no risers - maybe a bit overkill.

1/4" risers with 60mm means you're running the equivalent of 54mm with no risers.
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Actually, the difference in 54 mm and 60 mm wheels is 6 mm, but only half of that (3 mm) is between the axle and the board, so a 1/8" (3.175 mm) riser would give you about the same clearance on a 60 mm wheel as a 54 mm wheel with no riser.

holy fuck i can't believe i never thought of that

I've been calculating it wrong for like 3 years now.
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Post by: art hellman on May 02, 2017, 07:46:07 AM
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word the stfs are pretty plasticky, when i first got mine i was cruising down my street and chucked the first powerslide on em and ate shit so fucking bad. after looking around i think im gonna get some spfs but im on the line about sizes; i got away with 56mm stfs on thunder 149 team hi's and 1/4 pig risers but i dunno if i should go 56 again or make a jump to some nice looking 60mm schroeder spfs. most likely be on an 8.38 and i mostly skate transition with the occasional street spot thrown in, just wondering what sort of riser setup/bolts i'd need, probably a 1/2 inch riser and the 1 1/2 inch bolts?
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I bought half inch risers once. I've never found a use for them that 1/4" risers don't meet.

1/2" risers are 12.5mm. So running 1/2" risers for 60mm gives the same ratio as riding 47.5mm wheels with no risers - maybe a bit overkill.

1/4" risers with 60mm means you're running the equivalent of 54mm with no risers.
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Actually, the difference in 54 mm and 60 mm wheels is 6 mm, but only half of that (3 mm) is between the axle and the board, so a 1/8" (3.175 mm) riser would give you about the same clearance on a 60 mm wheel as a 54 mm wheel with no riser.
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holy fuck i can't believe i never thought of that

I've been calculating it wrong for like 3 years now.

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 10, 2017, 09:50:38 PM
Quick question about Wayward wheels if anyone knows.

What's closer to a spitfire classic shape, Wayward round shape or slim?
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Post by: art hellman on May 11, 2017, 08:02:58 AM
whatever shape Wayward's standard shape is (I'm guessing the 'round'), it's very close to the classic Spitfire shape... the wayward standard may have a lil bit wider riding-area, but not much.

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Post by: Xen on May 13, 2017, 04:16:23 PM
Quick question about Wayward wheels if anyone knows.

What's closer to a spitfire classic shape, Wayward round shape or slim?

The slim (the round is much wider than the spit classic, think classic full, which they discontinued, so those of you who loved'em, grab some waywards ;) I compared both side by side when buying my waywards and couldn't pull the trigger on the round cuts, had to go with the slims.

Left 52mm spit classic, right 52mm wayward slim.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qCh_HgyFUTqFos2uOG8S422bpJqqvayu0JAMJ3smLZgaWbIxTtQZdvB1o0jaDJDxrzqoatqnP4lbu96ExpF1sLaOZgtN-Efs0r0pQ_LPlPvTfiv6fZ2Abgrhu7EDLCPKNx2p85Y)

Notes:

- Wayward roundcut  slims are a hair slimmer than the F4 classic shape, yet wider than the spit classic slim (which I think are also discontinued?)

- Spits and waywards (and bones) increase in width and riding surface as you increase in height:

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1503/8660/files/ROUNDCUTSLIM_large.png?v=1476555320)

Measurements to compare the round cut and classic (wawards site doesn't have a table for the slim wheel for some reason).

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1503/8660/files/FORMULAWON_TABLE_2_large.png?v=1476556089)
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring17/drop1/14-f4-chart-desktop.jpg)

101 Spits and wayward are damn near identical in feel but i'd give the edge to spits when it comes to slide and wayward in terms of grip, tho it could be that the waywards just feel a tad softer (to me anyway) both great for shitty terrain - wayards will stay whiter it seems. The funnel shape looks pretty bad-ass..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 13, 2017, 07:53:52 PM
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Quick question about Wayward wheels if anyone knows.

What's closer to a spitfire classic shape, Wayward round shape or slim?
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The slim (the round is much wider than the spit classic, think classic full, which they discontinued, so those of you who loved'em, grab some waywards ;) I compared both side by side when buying my waywards and couldn't pull the trigger on the round cuts, had to go with the slims.

Left 52mm spit classic, right 52mm wayward slim.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qCh_HgyFUTqFos2uOG8S422bpJqqvayu0JAMJ3smLZgaWbIxTtQZdvB1o0jaDJDxrzqoatqnP4lbu96ExpF1sLaOZgtN-Efs0r0pQ_LPlPvTfiv6fZ2Abgrhu7EDLCPKNx2p85Y)

Notes:

- Wayward roundcut  slims are a hair slimmer than the F4 classic shape, yet wider than the spit classic slim (which I think are also discontinued?)

- Spits and waywards (and bones) increase in width and riding surface as you increase in height:

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1503/8660/files/ROUNDCUTSLIM_large.png?v=1476555320)

Measurements to compare the round cut and classic (wawards site doesn't have a table for the slim wheel for some reason).

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1503/8660/files/FORMULAWON_TABLE_2_large.png?v=1476556089)
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring17/drop1/14-f4-chart-desktop.jpg)

101 Spits and wayward are damn near identical in feel but i'd give the edge to spits when it comes to slide and wayward in terms of grip, tho it could be that the waywards just feel a tad softer (to me anyway) both great for shitty terrain - wayards will stay whiter it seems. The funnel shape looks pretty bad-ass..

Xen you are the man! looms like I'll be picking up a set of 52 slims then.

Even better too  because the round cuts I can get are 99a and these slims are 101A.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on May 14, 2017, 03:22:30 AM
I'm officially in the market for some new wheels. Thinking about getting these because they're cheap and I'm one broke motherfucker
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Autobahn_Nexus_AB-S_100A_Wheels/descpage-ABNABWH.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Autobahn_Nexus_AB-S_100A_Wheels/descpage-ABNABWH.html)
I've heard good things about autobahn but I'm pretty sure these are just their normal run of the mill formula/pricepoint formula as opposed to their more fancy formula wheels that everyone praises. How are these when it comes to durability and feel? Would it be a good investment or should I go with something else?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 18, 2017, 10:01:16 AM
I'm thinking g about getting crupie's. Team/overall vibe are sick! Anyone have these?

I've been hyped off them too I Got a set of the Carlos ribeiro wheels in 54mm coming in the mail. I'm looking forward to trying them out I'll post in here after I've skated em for a bit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bensquirts on May 18, 2017, 01:04:31 PM
Has anyone tried Muckefuck wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 18, 2017, 03:34:27 PM
Has anyone tried Muckefuck wheels?
Go for it! Really good wheels and sick team. They laaaaast, are fast, slide good, never had a flatspot (I had the Jorge Simoes 52mm cored wheel). Never heard a complain about them and they were kinda popular in my area. My set of wheels was 1 year old and they were like 50mm still, crazy durable. The

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I've been hyped off them too I Got a set of the Carlos ribeiro wheels in 54mm coming in the mail. I'm looking forward to trying them out I'll post in here after I've skated em for a bit
About the Crupies, I have the Carlos Ribeiro 53mm right now on my setup and after about 1 month I cant complain. I havent been skating as much as I want but they feel fast, probably faster than the Muckefucks I had, but they also feel harder, which I like. I've skated in Parks with smooth grounds and they arent super slippery. They slide good when doing tailslides and such, and seem durable too because I can still see a little of the ridges you have on a new wheel.
I feel that for the price they ask they're probably the best wheel out there, price-value wise. A Spit formula four or some Bones cost like 50 euros or more in europe, while those were 30 and they feel really good. The team has some people that I want to support too so that's a bonus.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bensquirts on May 18, 2017, 07:13:05 PM
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Go for it! Really good wheels and sick team. They laaaaast, are fast, slide good, never had a flatspot (I had the Jorge Simoes 52mm cored wheel). Never heard a complain about them and they were kinda popular in my area. My set of wheels was 1 year old and they were like 50mm still, crazy durable. The


Thank you for the heads up SKATAN, I just ordered a set!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shitdick22 on May 18, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
just got some 52mm ricta clouds (the hardest ones). They feel fucking incredible but are a little big for my board. Gonna throw them on a cruiser setup and film with them till they're like 50s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JumpManShorty on May 18, 2017, 11:52:28 PM
Just been out in Tokyo and get the 99s anyone heading out there. Shits crusty as fuck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 01, 2017, 10:47:47 PM
Just rode wayward wheels (101A) for the first time and they feel almost exactly like my 101 formula 4s but crisper if that makes sense.


Defo backing this company!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on June 02, 2017, 12:02:52 AM
Just rode wayward wheels (101A) for the first time and they feel almost exactly like my 101 formula 4s but crisper if that makes sense.


Defo backing this company!
Are they grippy at all or do they feel like out-of-control slide? I'm definitely interested in getting a set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: kook nukem on June 02, 2017, 12:24:31 AM
How do fools rock 101a? Slides around on parks, and feels every bump when it's rough. Can anyone explain, because I've never understood the appeal? 99a only for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 02, 2017, 02:20:46 AM
How do fools rock 101a? Slides around on parks, and feels every bump when it's rough. Can anyone explain, because I've never understood the appeal? 99a only for me.

101As never bother me when I ride as far the teeth rattling.


Also These Waywards feel only the slightest bit more slippery than the formula 4s but also have tons of grip for a wheel that slides this good.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on June 02, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
I'm going back and forth between radial slims and classic slims, both 99. I was doing a lot of power slides to stop myself the last couple days and it feels like the radials are more slippery than the classics, maybe cause the classics are older and more at the sweet spot so to speak? I have no idea. But I definitely wanna stick with slim wheels, hopefully my local will get waywards in eventually.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on June 02, 2017, 10:26:22 AM
Loving these Crupie 54mm 101a wheels. I've been skating the 99a spitfires exclusively for a couple of years now but these Crupies feel just as good so far. They've got somewhat of a radial shape, and despite being a harder wheel they still grip smooth surfaces pretty well and slide like a beast. Only time will tell how long they last or if the "stay white" formula works but so far, they're as legit as anything else out there. Hopefully the brand pops off
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on June 02, 2017, 12:30:38 PM
How do fools rock 101a? Slides around on parks, and feels every bump when it's rough. Can anyone explain, because I've never understood the appeal? 99a only for me.

Two words: Backside Powerslides. Sure, I can do them on 99s but without 101s I'd probably wouldn't have learnt them...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on June 02, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
I'm going back and forth between radial slims and classic slims, both 99. I was doing a lot of power slides to stop myself the last couple days and it feels like the radials are more slippery than the classics, maybe cause the classics are older and more at the sweet spot so to speak? I have no idea. But I definitely wanna stick with slim wheels, hopefully my local will get waywards in eventually.
Bruh, RC been having em.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on June 02, 2017, 02:02:57 PM
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Two words: Backside Powerslides. Sure, I can do them on 99s but without 101s I'd probably wouldn't have learnt them...

I also did my first BS slide on 101s. Also, I don't know how to explain it.. But 101s just feel good to ride. As long as the streets aren't too shitty, you feel like you roll faster, and being so connected to the pavement makes me feel more in control somehow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 02, 2017, 02:12:40 PM
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How do fools rock 101a? Slides around on parks, and feels every bump when it's rough. Can anyone explain, because I've never understood the appeal? 99a only for me.
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Two words: Backside Powerslides. Sure, I can do them on 99s but without 101s I'd probably wouldn't have learnt them...
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I also did my first BS slide on 101s. Also, I don't know how to explain it.. But 101s just feel good to ride. As long as the streets aren't too shitty, you feel like you roll faster, and being so connected to the pavement makes me feel more in control somehow.

I feel like the wider surface of conical fulls helps with shitty ground. I was hauling ass yesterday and I went so fast i got speed wobbles (on flat) and I have never felt as cool as that moment although I probably looked like an idiot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 02, 2017, 03:24:40 PM
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How do fools rock 101a? Slides around on parks, and feels every bump when it's rough. Can anyone explain, because I've never understood the appeal? 99a only for me.
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Two words: Backside Powerslides. Sure, I can do them on 99s but without 101s I'd probably wouldn't have learnt them...
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I also did my first BS slide on 101s. Also, I don't know how to explain it.. But 101s just feel good to ride. As long as the streets aren't too shitty, you feel like you roll faster, and being so connected to the pavement makes me feel more in control somehow.
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I feel like the wider surface of conical fulls helps with shitty ground. I was hauling ass yesterday and I went so fast i got speed wobbles (on flat) and I have never felt as cool as that moment although I probably looked like an idiot
What does hauling ass have to do with wider wheels going over shitty ground.

I mean I do think wider wheels handle rough terrain better but I've also pushed this fast (see video below) down the street with spitfire classics and they were just fine.





2:39 to see the speed i was talking about.

Torey Pudwill's Big Bang (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk68G4GXN-k#)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on June 08, 2017, 09:56:12 AM
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/AB4D72F2-7008-4B86-862A-F64BFD4507B7_zpsfrrnrqmw.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/AB4D72F2-7008-4B86-862A-F64BFD4507B7_zpsfrrnrqmw.jpg.html)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/B147F9D6-ED03-4A60-BBFB-BE04D75567EF_zpsa0blhpfx.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/B147F9D6-ED03-4A60-BBFB-BE04D75567EF_zpsa0blhpfx.jpg.html)
Pulled the trigger on these even tho I wanted the slims. They feel way more stable than my classic slims I was just on. Almost to a point where the turning felt different. But I'll get used to them. Felt super grippy and fast albeit I only skated parking lot pavement for the first sesh. But I'm excited to break them in some more and see how they work out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldManSkate on June 08, 2017, 02:12:21 PM
Anybody try Pusher Wheels before?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 08, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
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How do fools rock 101a? Slides around on parks, and feels every bump when it's rough. Can anyone explain, because I've never understood the appeal? 99a only for me.
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Two words: Backside Powerslides. Sure, I can do them on 99s but without 101s I'd probably wouldn't have learnt them...
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I also did my first BS slide on 101s. Also, I don't know how to explain it.. But 101s just feel good to ride. As long as the streets aren't too shitty, you feel like you roll faster, and being so connected to the pavement makes me feel more in control somehow.
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I feel like the wider surface of conical fulls helps with shitty ground. I was hauling ass yesterday and I went so fast i got speed wobbles (on flat) and I have never felt as cool as that moment although I probably looked like an idiot
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What does hauling ass have to do with wider wheels going over shitty ground.

I mean I do think wider wheels handle rough terrain better but I've also pushed this fast (see video below) down the street with spitfire classics and they were just fine.

2:39 to see the speed i was talking about.


I feel like they both help you go over stuff, the speed helps you get over stuff. Like when you go slow you can fall over a crack and when you have speed you go over them. The wider surface helps compensate uneven ground.

It could honestly be the Spitfire marketing getting to me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on June 09, 2017, 08:06:45 AM
to me, wide wheels can get a lil wacky when you're sliding through lipslides and whatnot, whereas regular wheels you can 'direct' the slide direction/speed a lil more. 

I think of hockey skates vs. figure skates ... hockey skates are meant for control, but theyre not gonna put you on your ass from a dead stop, whereas figure skates allow someone to stop/turn on a dime. 

I'm no scientist though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JumpManShorty on June 12, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
I bought these spittys in Japan and had never seen the 101s with a green logo. It might be all in my head but they seem like a different formula? Catch a bit more on slides and tend to chip and shit. Can someone confirm there legit and rest my head?
(https://ibb.co/bX2Sna)

Edit: Fuck I dunno how to post the image from iPhone sorry guys
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on June 12, 2017, 09:04:09 PM
I bought these spittys in Japan and had never seen the 101s with a green logo. It might be all in my head but they seem like a different formula? Catch a bit more on slides and tend to chip and shit. Can someone confirm there legit and rest my head?
(https://ibb.co/bX2Sna)

Edit: Fuck I dunno how to post the image from iPhone sorry guys

I've seen green logo'd spits before, I'm pretty sure they're real.. Have you ridden the conicals before? Could be why they feel different.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: kook nukem on June 12, 2017, 09:55:28 PM
Been using 56mm Spitfire 80HDs on my cruiser recently. Seriously perfect cruiser wheel. Soft enough for cushioning out the bumps, but not so soft it feels like a longboard. 56mm allows you to roll over some shit but still pop some ollies up curbs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JumpManShorty on June 12, 2017, 10:03:03 PM
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I bought these spittys in Japan and had never seen the 101s with a green logo. It might be all in my head but they seem like a different formula? Catch a bit more on slides and tend to chip and shit. Can someone confirm there legit and rest my head?
(https://ibb.co/bX2Sna)

Edit: Fuck I dunno how to post the image from iPhone sorry guys
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I've seen green logo'd spits before, I'm pretty sure they're real.. Have you ridden the conicals before? Could be why they feel different.

Ok cool. Yeah rode a red pair of conicals last time. My shit bearings probably don't help
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 12, 2017, 10:23:35 PM
Are there any differences in speed between wide/skinny wheels? My spitfire 99 f4s sometimes feel a little bit sluggish, could a different shape make a difference, what other wheels are known to be quite fast?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 12, 2017, 10:39:54 PM
Been using 56mm Spitfire 80HDs on my cruiser recently. Seriously perfect cruiser wheel. Soft enough for cushioning out the bumps, but not so soft it feels like a longboard. 56mm allows you to roll over some shit but still pop some ollies up curbs.

Just watch the cores on them, i've seem plenty of people complaining in the past few months of spitfires soft wheels just falling apart
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on June 13, 2017, 05:24:53 AM
Are there any differences in speed between wide/skinny wheels? My spitfire 99 f4s sometimes feel a little bit sluggish, could a different shape make a difference, what other wheels are known to be quite fast?

Rolling friction

This is commonly considered in engineering, a wider wheel tends to roll slower than a same diameter but thinner wheel would roll. This is why racing bikes have super thin wheels. Since skating is not done on super smooth surfaces only, skateboard wheels need to be a bit wide to compensate for ground imperfections.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on June 14, 2017, 12:51:50 PM
I finally got around t skate some formula 4s (99a 54mm classics)  definitely the best wheel out, slide super well and have such a controlled slide but also grip really good and dont make me slip on parks.

Also, the best cruise/filmer wheels by far are the OJ keyframes, those wheels are light years ahead of other cruiser wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 15, 2017, 03:57:32 AM
I finally got around t skate some formula 4s (99a 54mm classics)  definitely the best wheel out, slide super well and have such a controlled slide but also grip really good and dont make me slip on parks.

Also, the best cruise/filmer wheels by far are the OJ keyframes, those wheels are light years ahead of other cruiser wheels
I know I've said this before but if you like F4 Classics then maybe try Wayward slim cuts. I know it's a new brand and Spits are well known/good but these are good wheels. Made in the states and they feel very similar to formula 4s in both the slideability and the grip which is rare, at least to me. In my experience, wheels either feel a little more slippery than I'd like such as Bones STfs or too sticky like Rita NRGs (Please don't stone me Xen and/or Steve! Waywards and Formula 4s are the only wheels I've skated in recent memory that had a perfect balance. I just like way Waywards slide just a hair more.

The only real differences I can tell is that my Waywards seem easier to make slide at slower speeds but at higher speeds they seem to grip just as well formula 4s and these Waywards have a slightly  crisper slide where as the F4s are barkier.



So far the only thing I can see that would make these Waywards not perfect, other than a premature flatspot, is if the wheels turn to that nasty ass yellow color but if they continue to skate this good, then I couldn't give a shit!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2017, 08:24:32 AM
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I finally got around t skate some formula 4s (99a 54mm classics)  definitely the best wheel out, slide super well and have such a controlled slide but also grip really good and dont make me slip on parks.

Also, the best cruise/filmer wheels by far are the OJ keyframes, those wheels are light years ahead of other cruiser wheels
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I know I've said this before but if you like F4 Classics then maybe try Wayward slim cuts. I know it's a new brand and Spits are well known/good but these are good wheels. Made in the states and they feel very similar to formula 4s in both the slideability and the grip which is rare, at least to me. In my experience, wheels either feel a little more slippery than I'd like such as Bones STfs or too sticky like Rita NRGs (Please don't stone me Xen and/or Steve! Waywards and Formula 4s are the only wheels I've skated in recent memory that had a perfect balance. I just like way Waywards slide just a hair more.

The only real differences I can tell is that my Waywards seem easier to make slide at slower speeds but at higher speeds they seem to grip just as well formula 4s and these Waywards have a slightly  crisper slide where as the F4s are barkier.



So far the only thing I can see that would make these Waywards not perfect, other than a premature flatspot, is if the wheels turn to that nasty ass yellow color but if they continue to skate this good, then I couldn't give a shit!

I'm still riding my wayward slims, and agree they're right up there with F4s and they don't show signs of yellowing (a big deal for some people).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NJFly318 on June 26, 2017, 07:39:05 PM
Anyone have feedback on the Insane-a-thanes?
Heard good things from someone the other day but I haven't riden OJ's since the 90's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on June 26, 2017, 08:34:59 PM
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Been using 56mm Spitfire 80HDs on my cruiser recently. Seriously perfect cruiser wheel. Soft enough for cushioning out the bumps, but not so soft it feels like a longboard. 56mm allows you to roll over some shit but still pop some ollies up curbs.
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Just watch the cores on them, i've seem plenty of people complaining in the past few months of spitfires soft wheels just falling apart
I've seen it in person with a friend's set
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on June 26, 2017, 09:39:33 PM
Anyone have feedback on the Insane-a-thanes?
Heard good things from someone the other day but I haven't riden OJ's since the 90's.

I tried the 99a. To me they felt similar to SPF's. Fast, hard, unforgiving on the streets, good slip-to-grip ratio. Just nowhere near as durable--mine were chipped bad within the first week and they coned way worse than other wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NJFly318 on June 26, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
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Anyone have feedback on the Insane-a-thanes?
Heard good things from someone the other day but I haven't riden OJ's since the 90's.
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I tried the 99a. To me they felt similar to SPF's. Fast, hard, unforgiving on the streets, good slip-to-grip ratio. Just nowhere near as durable--mine were chipped bad within the first week and they coned way worse than other wheels.

Doesn't sound good, I'll stick with F4's, thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheLowerBack on June 27, 2017, 03:40:14 AM
Has anyone skated the Wayward 99 fulls?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 27, 2017, 08:24:31 AM
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Anyone have feedback on the Insane-a-thanes?
Heard good things from someone the other day but I haven't riden OJ's since the 90's.
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I tried the 99a. To me they felt similar to SPF's. Fast, hard, unforgiving on the streets, good slip-to-grip ratio. Just nowhere near as durable--mine were chipped bad within the first week and they coned way worse than other wheels.
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Doesn't sound good, I'll stick with F4's, thanks.

I've only ridden the 101 insane-a-thanes, both the ez edge and hardline shape (the latter being my choice), I like them, especially in a park setting as noted above, they are unforgivingly fucking hard, super fast, slide and grip well. They feel like ricta chrome core urethane (but don't flatspot like they did) and feel totally opposite of the the 'US made OJs' which feel a bit softer, like F4s do compared to STF/SPFs.

I prefer to haul ass in a park setting and only hard wheels feel like the do the job. 53mm OJ hardlines insane-a-thane w/G3 bronsons feel way faster than 54mm spfs w/swiss six,
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JumpManShorty on July 01, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
What do you guys recommend for a winter wheel? Rainy winter not Cali winter
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on July 01, 2017, 08:38:54 PM
What do you guys recommend for a winter wheel? Rainy winter not Cali winter

99a F4s! Ridden them in the rain and cold plenty of times, they handle things just fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 02, 2017, 06:14:56 AM
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99a F4s! Ridden them in the rain and cold plenty of times, they handle things just fine
100% agree, they perform really well in the cold compared to other wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on July 03, 2017, 02:00:23 PM
I've only ridden the 101 insane-a-thanes, both the ez edge and hardline shape (the latter being my choice), I like them, especially in a park setting as noted above, they are unforgivingly fucking hard, super fast, slide and grip well. They feel like ricta chrome core urethane (but don't flatspot like they did) and feel totally opposite of the the 'US made OJs' which feel a bit softer, like F4s do compared to STF/SPFs.

I prefer to haul ass in a park setting and only hard wheels feel like the do the job. 53mm OJ hardlines insane-a-thane w/G3 bronsons feel way faster than 54mm spfs w/swiss six,

I really liked the Insane a Thane feel more than the 'normal' OJ compound, whatever the heck that is called.

To your point about unforgiving hard, just for shits and giggles I bought a set of Autobahn price points (I totally forget what they're called but they're thin shaped) and they felt like the hardest wheel I've ever skated. And slide for days...it felt like I was skating on banana peels wrapped around my wheels.

There are so many more wheel options than just Spitfire. Everyone gets so locked into one way of thinking. If Spitfires work for you, that's rad! But there are so many great choices right now on the market. I get that most of them are coming from the same urethane shop but I still go out of my way to not buy Spitfire wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Eskorbut0 on July 03, 2017, 04:16:43 PM
I wish so dearly that DLX made 60mm+ F4s. Can anybody recommend a bigger wheel that slides as well as an F4 or even close
 to it?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
I wish so dearly that DLX made 60mm+ F4s. Can anybody recommend a bigger wheel that slides as well as an F4 or even close
 to it?

It's not 60mm+ but the 55mm waywards are going to be your best bet.

https://www.waywardwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/pinnacle-wheel-brophy-55 (https://www.waywardwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/pinnacle-wheel-brophy-55)

PEople hate on them, but regular formula OJs aren't half bad; I find them to feel slow, exactly the same feeling I get when skating F4s or Waywards (I like crazy hard wheels).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on July 03, 2017, 04:34:25 PM
I've got some 58mm 99a F4s, that pretty close!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2017, 04:35:41 PM
I've got some 58mm 99a F4s, that pretty close!

That's the ticket:

58 MM 99a F4s Lance Mountain Lifers (https://shop.ccs.com/spitfire-f4-99-lance-mountain-lifers-skateboard-wheels-58mm?gclid=CjwKCAjw1ufKBRBYEiwAPI_r4RrwEJfl8CeoKuxWDDxFGYE3wLWySHDUBoM1rOei01VSs0fXUgEyqhoCnD0QAvD_BwE)

60mm F4 99a Classics  (http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-classic-skateboard-wheels/white-99d)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Eskorbut0 on July 03, 2017, 05:05:21 PM
^ Been on those for a while, hoping it's not as good as it gets but it might be
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 07, 2017, 04:07:09 PM
Hey is it me or do bearing spacers slow you down ? They silent the roll but make your wheels slower.

Went back to try my favorite spit classic 99a this time without bearing spacers and they rolled way smoother and faster.

I think the hype on spacers was only with the race reds
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on July 07, 2017, 05:45:32 PM
Hey is it me or do bearing spacers slow you down ? They silent the roll but make your wheels slower.

Went back to try my favorite spit classic 99a this time without bearing spacers and they rolled way smoother and faster.

I think the hype on spacers was only with the race reds

Spacers are for longboarders who regularly go past 60mph.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 07, 2017, 05:54:18 PM
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Hey is it me or do bearing spacers slow you down ? They silent the roll but make your wheels slower.

Went back to try my favorite spit classic 99a this time without bearing spacers and they rolled way smoother and faster.

I think the hype on spacers was only with the race reds
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Spacers are for longboarders who regularly go past 60mph.

Spacers play a big part in getting optimal performance out of your bearings dont play yourselves by not using them (http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/1/c5f9a02b3df4ea2d43c0f94ac9fded9b.png?t=1453393121)

https://stokedskateboards.com/knowledge-base/why-bearing-spacers-really-matter.html (https://stokedskateboards.com/knowledge-base/why-bearing-spacers-really-matter.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 07, 2017, 07:48:23 PM
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Hey is it me or do bearing spacers slow you down ? They silent the roll but make your wheels slower.

Went back to try my favorite spit classic 99a this time without bearing spacers and they rolled way smoother and faster.

I think the hype on spacers was only with the race reds
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Spacers are for longboarders who regularly go past 60mph.
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Spacers play a big part in getting optimal performance out of your bearings dont play yourselves by not using them (http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/1/c5f9a02b3df4ea2d43c0f94ac9fded9b.png?t=1453393121)

https://stokedskateboards.com/knowledge-base/why-bearing-spacers-really-matter.html (https://stokedskateboards.com/knowledge-base/why-bearing-spacers-really-matter.html)

Every example pic used a longboard wheel,

Point to zimmer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jums on July 07, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
from s and b

"Spacers allow you to avoid torsional load that causes bearings to blow out or seize. They also aid in keeping the bearings true for ultimate performance which also means they will last longer as they are not being subjected to undue stresses."

"Everyone who knows what a spacer does uses them. I always use them. They also help keep your bearings from unseating?if the spacer is the correct dimensions. "

That said I have never had an issue with my bearings since I started using spacers 12 years ago, but prior to... my bearings never lasted one month.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: max power on July 07, 2017, 09:37:48 PM
Spacers are the truth.

Been riding OJ's regular formula 99 and 101. I like them. I like Spitfire F4 too, just felt like a change. OJ's have great shapes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on July 07, 2017, 11:09:38 PM
from s and b

"Spacers allow you to avoid torsional load that causes bearings to blow out or seize. They also aid in keeping the bearings true for ultimate performance which also means they will last longer as they are not being subjected to undue stresses."

"Everyone who knows what a spacer does uses them. I always use them. They also help keep your bearings from unseating?if the spacer is the correct dimensions. "

That said I have never had an issue with my bearings since I started using spacers 12 years ago, but prior to... my bearings never lasted one month.

Truth
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IHOP on July 09, 2017, 12:38:09 AM
Did anybody catch those a-symmetrical wheels Jim Thiebaud had on his insta story the other day?  Half conical Half straight/flat cut, were nicknamed "lock-ins" and said they were coming out to shops soon.  Don't know how I feel about it, anybody ever skated (not just cruised) a-symmetrical wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: silhouette on July 09, 2017, 06:17:10 AM
i've been skating the 54mm version of those for most of the year : https://consumestore.com/product/pillo-wheel-gang-deep-gurners-52mm-and-54mm

i don't know how familiar people on here might be with pillo wheels, they're a really small operation out of (old, not new) jersey, the british islands sandwiched in between the uk and france - luka pinto and glen fox ride for them, so maybe some of you will recognize the logo.

from the perspective of someone usually inclined toward spitfire wheels & bones stf's, i have to say those have been great to me. a lot of the spots and streets i skate are quite rough (old europe type of rough), despite which i usually stick to the hardest wheels i can find because i like doing reverts and lipslides and, instead, resort to larger wheels (54-56mm) in order to make up for the discomfort on the rough ground. those particular pillo's have some extra width which made everything feel a lot smoother in those regards. they slide less than the 101a's i'm generally used to, but perform well still, feeling more like 99a's (especially after some wear).

not many people skate those wheels (apparently the whole jersey scene is like 10 skaters) but seeing as some rad underground dudes rep them, i reckoned some of you might have seen the name float around in videos and the like, so i thought i'd comment on what the product is like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mark Renton on July 09, 2017, 10:22:09 AM
Are Bones 54mm OG 100's V4 Wheels (100A) good for skating a bit of everything (mostly rugged)? I don't know shit about wheels specs and I just don't want to spend 40+ pounds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on July 09, 2017, 03:41:38 PM
any opinions on pig wheels? i found some for cheap, thinking about getting them but i'm not sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 09, 2017, 03:58:40 PM
Did anybody catch those a-symmetrical wheels Jim Thiebaud had on his insta story the other day?  Half conical Half straight/flat cut, were nicknamed "lock-ins" and said they were coming out to shops soon.  Don't know how I feel about it, anybody ever skated (not just cruised) a-symmetrical wheels?

So they're making F4 versions of these?
(https://www.skaterhq.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/5/151371_1_1.jpg)

If they're as wide as conical fulls i'd give them a shot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IHOP on July 09, 2017, 08:35:05 PM
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Did anybody catch those a-symmetrical wheels Jim Thiebaud had on his insta story the other day?  Half conical Half straight/flat cut, were nicknamed "lock-ins" and said they were coming out to shops soon.  Don't know how I feel about it, anybody ever skated (not just cruised) a-symmetrical wheels?
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So they're making F4 versions of these?
(https://www.skaterhq.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/5/151371_1_1.jpg)

If they're as wide as conical fulls i'd give them a shot

Yea looked like that, graphic was sick it was a half swirl with "LOCK-INS" in old english, red and black
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 09, 2017, 10:19:45 PM
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Did anybody catch those a-symmetrical wheels Jim Thiebaud had on his insta story the other day?  Half conical Half straight/flat cut, were nicknamed "lock-ins" and said they were coming out to shops soon.  Don't know how I feel about it, anybody ever skated (not just cruised) a-symmetrical wheels?
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So they're making F4 versions of these?
(https://www.skaterhq.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/5/151371_1_1.jpg)

If they're as wide as conical fulls i'd give them a shot
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Yea looked like that, graphic was sick it was a half swirl with "LOCK-INS" in old english, red and black
Old shape, better graphic on it...sorry for size
(https://classicskateshop1.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/sf-cat-spring12-2-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 10, 2017, 01:52:31 AM
any opinions on pig wheels? i found some for cheap, thinking about getting them but i'm not sure

Pigs are like a harder spit classic I feel. They have that feel like a classic but some some hardness that isn't that good feeling and is only there for durability. Cause you know flat spots and harder wheels are supposed to be faster


Bones 100 are ok but I wouldn't say they're worth it. Oddly I prefer mini logo over bones 100. They aren't the same formula even though they're both pp wheels from skate one. Mini logo feel almost exactly like a spit classic while bones 100 feel like a standard hard wheel with grip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LennyDLXSF on July 10, 2017, 08:33:42 AM
I wish so dearly that DLX made 60mm+ F4s. Can anybody recommend a bigger wheel that slides as well as an F4 or even close
 to it?

We make F499 Classic Shape in 60mm!!

Email me please, [email protected]
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on July 10, 2017, 08:45:36 AM
idk about asymmetrical wheels

I have a tendency to flip them now and again so they don't cone out.

I do kinda like the idea of having two ways to run the same pair of wheels though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on July 10, 2017, 12:37:16 PM
the wheels i have on my cruiser are the bones rough riders i love them but the plastic core is starting to come apart. its been a year so i guess that's understandable but i'd like to find a wheel much like the rough rider but without the fused plastic core. any suggestions?

for my main board i ride bones stf v3 50mm and i love them but i flatspotted them reverting a 180 off a ramp

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 16, 2017, 08:09:49 AM
Would it make sense to do a wheelshop thread?  How many factories are making wheels....how different are the formulas?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on July 16, 2017, 09:36:20 AM
Would it make sense to do a wheelshop thread?  How many factories are making wheels....how different are the formulas?

Would be interesting to see which brands come from the same factories. Crupie claims they can offer a premium wheel at a lower cost than other brands because they obtain everything straight from the source. I wonder if that same factory is doing other brands too and how much of an actual difference there is between the smaller wheel brands. Bones & spitfire obviously have their own formulas and all the marketing for them but do you guys think that there's other wheels out that are more or less the same formulas just with different branding?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zimmer on July 16, 2017, 09:41:55 AM
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Would it make sense to do a wheelshop thread?  How many factories are making wheels....how different are the formulas?
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Would be interesting to see which brands come from the same factories. Crupie claims they can offer a premium wheel at a lower cost than other brands because they obtain everything straight from the source. I wonder if that same factory is doing other brands too and how much of an actual difference there is between the smaller wheel brands. Bones & spitfire obviously have their own formulas and all the marketing for them but do you guys think that there's other wheels out that are more or less the same formulas just with different branding?

There can't be more than four or five big formulas (not counting all the price-point type stuff). Bones, spitfire, ricta, OJ, Powell.. All seem pretty distinct.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 16, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
Don't forget about the worlds greatest urethane from wreck wheels, backed by testing in every category except the sales category.

So far formula fours are taking the market with bones second and OJ on the rise and ricta then maybe croupie or sml or whoever I'm forgetting
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 16, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
I remember being convinced satoris were the best....those Ipaths went straight to my head....like when people on here say prize fighters! Small!  Autobahn!  They don't have their own factory and I bet there are only a few.....who's got the knowledge? 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on July 16, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
J Soy - I'd love to know that myself. With as much into the smaller wheel cos as I am, I don't know how many urethane shops there really are. My guess is not many.

There also seems to be some variation within the same company. I had a set of SML Garcia wides that were like skating on banana peels then I had SML Knox V-Cut that were like skating on soft bubblegum, and both were listed as 99A.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rathernotwalk on July 16, 2017, 06:12:05 PM
Trying out some speedlab 56 mm 97a side cut (ace pelka model)
Pretty grippy but slide surprisingly well. About as forgiving as stf on rough terrain, but without that rock hard plastic feeling.
I'll try and remember to mention how they do on some slick tranny, if my wrist ever fucking heals.
Really disappointed in how quick my spf clears are wearing down, is that just the clear or are the white formula more resistant?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 16, 2017, 06:35:47 PM
I swear this was already in this thread, it's dated but some is still good to go by:

and the updated list:
AEND pours:
abec11
neversummer
newer/some sector9
3dm/seismic
comet
ultra (rollerblade wheels)
bennett
BDS


Labeda pours:
earthwing purethane, and black 76 and 66 superballs
dregs
the new landyachtz hawgs
oust wheels
bustin
GFH
Loaded/Otang
some Lush
new gravity wheels
System Martin wheels (TLS)

Creative Urethane
rainskates
earthwing slide a's
autobahn
lush
sk8kings
manx/pps
poolking
tunnel
conspiracy
Speedlab
PPS
Skaterbuilt
NHS
Cowboy Punk
Better
Deathbox
Foundation
Toy Machine
Chetah
Black Label
Madrid

Bravo Corp
gravity
kryptonics
landyachtz
some sector 9
Xero wheels (italian brand)
(all 8mm race cores)
Pig
Senate
World Industries wheels
Barbie/Spongebob/Dora and other character boards

Mearthane
Road Rider
OJ
Ricta
Bullet
Crime
Madrid

Moska
moska
viking (european wheels)

Electric Urethane (from Australia)
Coretech
Electro
Pointblank

In-House Pours
Spitfire
Powell/Surf One
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Julz on July 16, 2017, 06:57:20 PM
add polar, plan b, element  and 90% of all deck brands to creative
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dr. Octagon on July 16, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
add SML to AEND.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 16, 2017, 09:40:27 PM
Does anyone know how good is Bones with their warranties for stfs? Got a pretty noticeable flatspot that I can't seem to get rid of. Only the third session on these too.

(https://preview.ibb.co/mmVGCv/20138144_1438556876198400_219263978_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: franquietits on July 17, 2017, 12:23:09 AM
^I was able to get a set of atf's replaced for me, after having them for over a year. A chunk came out of the wheel somehow. I sent them in, they sent some new ones back. The whole process took about a month or longer. U just have to inquire about it online & wait for a response (or call customer service?).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 17, 2017, 12:47:32 AM
^I was able to get a set of atf's replaced for me, after having them for over a year. A chunk came out of the wheel somehow. I sent them in, they sent some new ones back. The whole process took about a month or longer. U just have to inquire about it online & wait for a response (or call customer service?).

Good to know, thank you. Sent in an inquiry via their website so hopefully all works out well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 17, 2017, 10:03:40 PM
I remember being convinced satoris were the best....those Ipaths went straight to my head....like when people on here say prize fighters! Small!
haha, I had a good laugh at I-paths going to your head. PFC are decent wheels though. Funny story about them; my wife has a set of them on her board that I used to rock and it seems like they've gotten really sticky with age. I tried to power slide on them the other day and nearly ate shit so hard
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jums on July 18, 2017, 04:44:59 AM
Spitfire....

Please tell me the 101 58mm Conical Full F4 is still in production because I can't find them anywhere on the net or at my local brick and mortar.

Any chance I can buy them direct?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nora9 on July 18, 2017, 06:14:03 AM
i like rictas not sure why
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nora9 on July 18, 2017, 06:14:32 AM
maybbe cuz they are flat and soft like me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 18, 2017, 09:06:41 AM
Does anyone know how good is Bones with their warranties for stfs? Got a pretty noticeable flatspot that I can't seem to get rid of. Only the third session on these too.

(https://preview.ibb.co/mmVGCv/20138144_1438556876198400_219263978_o.jpg)

They are pretty good when it comes to replacements, I got a flat blunt sliding on some V5s when they first rolled out and they replaced them in short order (albeit a smaller size).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on July 18, 2017, 11:33:27 AM
Spitfire....

Please tell me the 101 58mm Conical Full F4 is still in production because I can't find them anywhere on the net or at my local brick and mortar.

Any chance I can buy them direct?

That was never a size that existed as far as I know.

Biggest 101 is 58mm, but the classic shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jums on July 18, 2017, 01:03:31 PM
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Spitfire....

Please tell me the 101 58mm Conical Full F4 is still in production because I can't find them anywhere on the net or at my local brick and mortar.

Any chance I can buy them direct?
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That was never a size that existed as far as I know.

Biggest 101 is 58mm, but the classic shape.

nah

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0270/0309/products/375_large.jpg?v=1455845720)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on July 18, 2017, 03:08:56 PM
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Spitfire....

Please tell me the 101 58mm Conical Full F4 is still in production because I can't find them anywhere on the net or at my local brick and mortar.

Any chance I can buy them direct?
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That was never a size that existed as far as I know.

Biggest 101 is 58mm, but the classic shape.
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nah

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0270/0309/products/375_large.jpg?v=1455845720)

I always figured that was just for the 99s. Have you ever seen a set of 101 conical full 58s in person, or even available anywhere, ever?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on July 18, 2017, 04:59:11 PM
Tactics had them for awhile.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on July 22, 2017, 12:30:25 PM
Any one try the spitfire mike Anderson sfw 2's? Really interested in giving them a go.

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Anderson_SFW_2_Wheels/descpage-SFAS2WH.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Anderson_SFW_2_Wheels/descpage-SFAS2WH.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: VCR on July 22, 2017, 01:13:21 PM
Pretty much a classic Spitfire just a different shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 24, 2017, 07:27:48 AM
I'm looking for a slim colored wheel in 53-54mm (pinkish or tealish)

I like the ricta speed rings and bones SPF.

I like these, but I think I want thinner wheels.
http://bones.com/bones-spf-pro-miller-owl-54x31-p5-skateboard-wheel-84b-4pk-yellow (http://bones.com/bones-spf-pro-miller-owl-54x31-p5-skateboard-wheel-84b-4pk-yellow)

suggestions?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on July 24, 2017, 07:33:18 AM
I'm looking for a slim colored wheel in 53-54mm (pinkish or tealish)

I like the ricta speed rings and bones SPF.

I like these, but I think I want thinner wheels.
http://bones.com/bones-spf-pro-miller-owl-54x31-p5-skateboard-wheel-84b-4pk-yellow (http://bones.com/bones-spf-pro-miller-owl-54x31-p5-skateboard-wheel-84b-4pk-yellow)

suggestions?

http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slims-skateboard-wheels/snake-bites-mint-black-swirl-101d (http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slims-skateboard-wheels/snake-bites-mint-black-swirl-101d)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 24, 2017, 08:21:02 AM
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I'm looking for a slim colored wheel in 53-54mm (pinkish or tealish)

I like the ricta speed rings and bones SPF.

I like these, but I think I want thinner wheels.
http://bones.com/bones-spf-pro-miller-owl-54x31-p5-skateboard-wheel-84b-4pk-yellow (http://bones.com/bones-spf-pro-miller-owl-54x31-p5-skateboard-wheel-84b-4pk-yellow)

suggestions?
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ordered

http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slims-skateboard-wheels/snake-bites-mint-black-swirl-101d (http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slims-skateboard-wheels/snake-bites-mint-black-swirl-101d)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on July 30, 2017, 10:33:44 AM
anyone tried the oj mini elites 95a? I set them up on my cruiser and I think I finally found a good wheel for that. they slide and are a little softer than regular wheels but harder than your typical cruiser type wheel. I figured out I can't deal with soft wheels of any kind - don't like having foot braking as my only option for slowing down and hate the feeling and wheelbite of super soft wheels. these are pretty much perfect for a cruiser if you're the same way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Rick Sanchez on July 30, 2017, 02:38:50 PM
Anyone tried out jk industries wheels? Any good? Last 4/5 sets of wheels have been different incarnations of spit f4's so thinking of trying some other shit that ive never had before
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on July 31, 2017, 12:23:23 AM
anyone tried the oj mini elites 95a? I set them up on my cruiser and I think I finally found a good wheel for that. they slide and are a little softer than regular wheels but harder than your typical cruiser type wheel. I figured out I can't deal with soft wheels of any kind - don't like having foot braking as my only option for slowing down and hate the feeling and wheelbite of super soft wheels. these are pretty much perfect for a cruiser if you're the same way.

You get a chance to try em out at the skatepark? I'm looking for an indoor park wheel that's grippy but not too sluggish.

But yeah, I hate super soft wheels too, wouldn't mind getting some of these just to skate crusty spots. I had some Mini-Logo 90a wheels for this purpose, but they needed too much riser cause when they bit, they gripped hard.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 02, 2017, 09:55:50 PM
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anyone tried the oj mini elites 95a? I set them up on my cruiser and I think I finally found a good wheel for that. they slide and are a little softer than regular wheels but harder than your typical cruiser type wheel. I figured out I can't deal with soft wheels of any kind - don't like having foot braking as my only option for slowing down and hate the feeling and wheelbite of super soft wheels. these are pretty much perfect for a cruiser if you're the same way.
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You get a chance to try em out at the skatepark? I'm looking for an indoor park wheel that's grippy but not too sluggish.

But yeah, I hate super soft wheels too, wouldn't mind getting some of these just to skate crusty spots. I had some Mini-Logo 90a wheels for this purpose, but they needed too much riser cause when they bit, they gripped hard.   

I don't skate parks very often but they are really good so far on regular asphalt and concrete. I saw some reviews online where people liked them for parks and bowls as well as street.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 02, 2017, 10:05:48 PM
Does anybody know how SPFs handle on shitty street terrain and bluntslide tricks on ledges compared to STFs?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on August 02, 2017, 11:45:03 PM
They're pretty much a hard, fast park wheel that grips when you need em to. I ride them on all terrain, but they don't slide as well as STF or F4's. Also stick a bit on tail slides, lipslides, etc. personally I like that they're a little more difficult to slide, cause I like my wheels to squeal a bit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on August 04, 2017, 12:39:26 AM
Was recently gifted some Spitfire 53mm 92s, might set them up to see how much of a difference they make on some of the spots around here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rathernotwalk on August 04, 2017, 07:24:34 PM
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anyone tried the oj mini elites 95a? I set them up on my cruiser and I think I finally found a good wheel for that. they slide and are a little softer than regular wheels but harder than your typical cruiser type wheel. I figured out I can't deal with soft wheels of any kind - don't like having foot braking as my only option for slowing down and hate the feeling and wheelbite of super soft wheels. these are pretty much perfect for a cruiser if you're the same way.
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You get a chance to try em out at the skatepark? I'm looking for an indoor park wheel that's grippy but not too sluggish.

But yeah, I hate super soft wheels too, wouldn't mind getting some of these just to skate crusty spots. I had some Mini-Logo 90a wheels for this purpose, but they needed too much riser cause when they bit, they gripped hard.   

I've got some speedlab 97a on one of my setups right now and on rough stuff it's a little sluggish but for the more slippery parks they feel real similar to f4s with a little more grip
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Buck Russell on August 04, 2017, 10:55:12 PM
sorry if this has been covered (i scanned back a few pages and didn't see anything) but what's up w/ wayward's factory? i heard they're actually really good and made in carolina or something but haven't heard anything confirmed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jamersonbass on August 05, 2017, 08:41:40 AM
sorry if this has been covered (i scanned back a few pages and didn't see anything) but what's up w/ wayward's factory? i heard they're actually really good and made in carolina or something but haven't heard anything confirmed.

I'm curious about this too.  I know a couple people have weighed in, but has anyone on here been skating Wayward's and how do you like them? Been on F4's the last 4 years and Wayward's are the only non-F4 wheel that have piqued my interest.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: perverted super otaku! on August 11, 2017, 08:20:21 AM
They're pretty much a hard, fast park wheel that grips when you need em to. I ride them on all terrain, but they don't slide as well as STF or F4's. Also stick a bit on tail slides, lipslides, etc. personally I like that they're a little more difficult to slide, cause I like my wheels to squeal a bit.
SPF's are sick on street, pretty sure I accomplished my longest hill bomb powerslide ever on a set, shit felt cool as fuck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 12, 2017, 01:17:24 AM
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They're pretty much a hard, fast park wheel that grips when you need em to. I ride them on all terrain, but they don't slide as well as STF or F4's. Also stick a bit on tail slides, lipslides, etc. personally I like that they're a little more difficult to slide, cause I like my wheels to squeal a bit.
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SPF's are sick on street, pretty sure I accomplished my longest hill bomb powerslide ever on a set, shit felt cool as fuck

They're designed for super nice ground aren't they? How are they on shit ground, how would you compare them to stfs/f4s if you've had them? Not sliding well on ledges sounds like a bummer though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: danjtony on August 12, 2017, 02:14:13 AM
I guess I wouldn't even say that they don't slide well. Just relative to those other two wheels, they aren't as smooth. For me, I just have to skate a bit faster for tail slides and shit of that nature. Their "stickiness" is hard to explain. Like, it's not a soft wheel grip or anything, but I feel really confident carving around transition on them. Between that and how fast they are, they're the perfect wheel for me. If I was skating rough shit more exclusively, I'd probably ride f4's or stf.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Pigeon on August 12, 2017, 09:05:52 AM
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They're pretty much a hard, fast park wheel that grips when you need em to. I ride them on all terrain, but they don't slide as well as STF or F4's. Also stick a bit on tail slides, lipslides, etc. personally I like that they're a little more difficult to slide, cause I like my wheels to squeal a bit.
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SPF's are sick on street, pretty sure I accomplished my longest hill bomb powerslide ever on a set, shit felt cool as fuck
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They're designed for super nice ground aren't they? How are they on shit ground, how would you compare them to stfs/f4s if you've had them? Not sliding well on ledges sounds like a bummer though
How easily, and how many can you fit in your anus, though?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 12, 2017, 08:25:03 PM
SPF=hard but sticky....yet still slide. They are made for California skateparks which are smooth and slippery.....

I skate em on street too because somehow the stickiness makes them feel softer.....

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on August 13, 2017, 09:14:02 AM
I don't know how you guys enjoy SPF on street. It didn't feel like skateboarding to me. Teeth Chattering displeasure my end. Amazing in new smooth parks though- agreed. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Clang on August 21, 2017, 06:58:19 AM
Anyone here skate sml wheels? Are they good? How do they compare to F4s? Does anything compare to F4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gumi on August 21, 2017, 03:18:33 PM
Anyone here skate sml wheels? Are they good? How do they compare to F4s? Does anything compare to F4s?

Wayward, from what I have heard
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on August 22, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
Has anyone skated anyone of the Type S 98a wheels? I wanna try something a bit smoother than a 99 but not quite a cruiser wheel.

Would there even be much of a difference in 1 durometer anyway?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Matthew_James on August 23, 2017, 10:51:11 AM
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Anyone here skate sml wheels? Are they good? How do they compare to F4s? Does anything compare to F4s?
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Wayward, from what I have heard

I've never heard anything good about Wayward.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on August 23, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
F4s aren't white to begin with...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on August 23, 2017, 04:31:36 PM
I actually prefer the colour of well used F4s.

Has anyone skated anyone of the Type S 98a wheels? I wanna try something a bit smoother than a 99 but not quite a cruiser wheel.

Would there even be much of a difference in 1 durometer anyway?

I don't think you'd feel much of a difference, If you want something between a street and cruiser wheel I'd recommend OJ's 92a ditch witch. I don't really ride them very often, but I like the feel. Ricta has 92a clouds too but I haven't tried them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on August 23, 2017, 04:49:19 PM
I would suck three dicks of Ricta started making 53mm Park Crushers again.

THREE OF THEM.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on August 23, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
Has anyone skated anyone of the Type S 98a wheels? I wanna try something a bit smoother than a 99 but not quite a cruiser wheel.

Would there even be much of a difference in 1 durometer anyway?

Absolutely have. I loved Type S wheels. Even tho they were all vert dudes, the wheels were great on any terrain. Really well made. If you look at the first page of this thread I had the 96 and they were just a little too grippy for my tastes. Not "soft" at all, just smooth/grippy. The 98s were perfect. Where are you finding Type S wheels? I thought they closed up. Most of those dudes ride for Alta now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 23, 2017, 08:49:11 PM
I would suck three dicks of Ricta started making 53mm Park Crushers again.

THREE OF THEM.

I loved my 55mm crushers until I flatted them at a park, such a fast, hard wheel.

Rictas problem is they rotate out wheels types too fast...speed rings, gone (tho they lasted a while), pro designed are gone in favor of pro natural nrgs and old sparx are gone, for new sparx....crushers became scorpions (wtf) only to vanish....slix are dumb and crome cores seem to only exist because nyjah skates them...

Been eyeing the D.Loy 53 naturals for a minute...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on August 24, 2017, 01:03:23 AM
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Has anyone skated anyone of the Type S 98a wheels? I wanna try something a bit smoother than a 99 but not quite a cruiser wheel.

Would there even be much of a difference in 1 durometer anyway?
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Absolutely have. I loved Type S wheels. Even tho they were all vert dudes, the wheels were great on any terrain. Really well made. If you look at the first page of this thread I had the 96 and they were just a little too grippy for my tastes. Not "soft" at all, just smooth/grippy. The 98s were perfect. Where are you finding Type S wheels? I thought they closed up. Most of those dudes ride for Alta now.

https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/shop/wheels/wheels-by-brand/type-s.html (https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/shop/wheels/wheels-by-brand/type-s.html)

This aussie site has a few sets im pretty interested in the bastien wheel as i know its pretty rare to get wheels that are both small and softer than a 99.

I pretty much just wanna be able to ride on the road (which can be pretty rough out here) or skate tranny without being scared of slipping out

I will probably get them in the coming weeks if i can't come across the oj's mentioned above
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on August 24, 2017, 04:22:10 AM
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I would suck three dicks of Ricta started making 53mm Park Crushers again.

THREE OF THEM.
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I loved my 55mm crushers until I flatted them at a park, such a fast, hard wheel.

Rictas problem is they rotate out wheels types too fast...speed rings, gone (tho they lasted a while), pro designed are gone in favor of pro natural nrgs and old sparx are gone, for new sparx....crushers became scorpions (wtf) only to vanish....slix are dumb and crome cores seem to only exist because nyjah skates them...

Been eyeing the D.Loy 53 naturals for a minute...
They change their wheel selection more than I change my shirt. Those Loy and Black Johnson wheels both look like they're a pretty similiar shape. I'm only concerned if the hardness would match up since they went from calling them 84b to 101a and I'm generally a broke ass bitch. If you're gonna start using the god damn B scale on your wheels don't pussy out and keep using the damn B scale!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Glue Reed on August 25, 2017, 10:38:32 AM
Quick question...

Any of you guys like riding wheels that are a tad softer than the usual 99/101's?

I was thinking the other day how much I used to like spitfire parkburners, which were 97/98 I believe.

Are there any wheels out there that are comparable to that? I know Skull sells 97's which look pretty rad
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 25, 2017, 10:51:51 AM
SML makes a 97 Aaron Herrington wheel I've been tempted to buy multiple times.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 25, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
Quick question...

Any of you guys like riding wheels that are a tad softer than the usual 99/101's?

I was thinking the other day how much I used to like spitfire parkburners, which were 97/98 I believe.

Are there any wheels out there that are comparable to that? I know Skull sells 97's which look pretty rad

Nope, I need wheels as hard as rocks. I just rotated out my waywards to F4s (both claim 101a but they feel much softer), then F4s to bones stf (83b) and then finally bones to my old ass 99a rictas.

The 99a rictas felt much harder than all the above, chirped the loudest. The waywards and f4s felt sticky grippy, rictas grippy and stfs in between. Waiting for a sale to grab some of the 101 rictas.

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I would suck three dicks of Ricta started making 53mm Park Crushers again.

THREE OF THEM.
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I loved my 55mm crushers until I flatted them at a park, such a fast, hard wheel.

Rictas problem is they rotate out wheels types too fast...speed rings, gone (tho they lasted a while), pro designed are gone in favor of pro natural nrgs and old sparx are gone, for new sparx....crushers became scorpions (wtf) only to vanish....slix are dumb and crome cores seem to only exist because nyjah skates them...

Been eyeing the D.Loy 53 naturals for a minute...
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They change their wheel selection more than I change my shirt. Those Loy and Black Johnson wheels both look like they're a pretty similiar shape. I'm only concerned if the hardness would match up since they went from calling them 84b to 101a and I'm generally a broke ass bitch. If you're gonna start using the god damn B scale on your wheels don't pussy out and keep using the damn B scale!

My guess is the b scale is too complicated for some to wrap their heads around, either that or they adjusted the formula and they are a true 101 instead of 103/104 or whatever the fuck b to a translates too; but, naturals have been their mainstay and always been on the 'a' scale. They let their marketing teams have too much control I think :P

I'm going to guess the pro naturals are going to stick around for a while...at least until the <pro natural nrg speed ring crystal duo tones> come out :P

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: doublesteveburger on August 26, 2017, 05:45:35 PM
Debating on getting some SPF's on sale but don't know how they compare to STF's.
Also, anyone ever try Oj's 101a's?


Currently riding some Bones 100's but they're grippy as fuck and I miss power-slides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 27, 2017, 10:02:10 PM
Debating on getting some SPF's on sale but don't know how they compare to STF's.
Also, anyone ever try Oj's 101a's?


Currently riding some Bones 100's but they're grippy as fuck and I miss power-slides.

SPFs are grippier and harder feeling than STFs, different formula; personally SPFs are for park only.

101 OJs (regular formula), feel like F4s but without the easy f4 slide, they're pretty grippy, just got to push into those slides - good for rough streets/all terrain.

101 OJs (insane-a-thane), feel like Ricta chrome cores/Park crushers, hard as nails but a wee bit chalky (I love'em); they fit right in between SPFs and STFs for me, pretty damn hard on rough streets tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 29, 2017, 04:44:29 AM
How are SML?s. Slow, fast, grippy, slick etc..., how do they compare to both formula fours and arcs x and do they have different shapes or just a standards STFs.


I can get a cheap set but want to know what I?d be getting lol




Also if anyone ants to know my Waywards are stillpretty much  fucking perfect and ed to yellow whatsoever. Unless I decide to get these Sml?s I don?t think I?ll ever not buy Waywords.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 30, 2017, 11:24:06 AM
Stick with the waywards!

Sml, the ones I skated, the narrow cut or whatever, we're cored, didn't feel fast at all and we're much to grippy.

I wish Landshark had more success, those wheels were on point.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 04, 2017, 06:54:36 AM
Stick with the waywards!

Sml, the ones I skated, the narrow cut or whatever, we're cored, didn't feel fast at all and we're much to grippy.

I wish Landshark had more success, those wheels were on point.

Well I work nights and took the train to work. I'm
Currently on the bus home and didn't notice anything on my way to the train but on the
Way to the bus I heard thumping and lo and behold, my waywards have a significant flat spot.


Going to try out my old STFs but it looks like I'll be sticking to F4's. Everything else I try gives me a worse experience.

Edit: it's been a long tom since I've had STFs and I remember them being suuuper duper mega hard but they barely feel harder than my Waywards.

Also, I have the v3s (I fucking love skinny wheels and these are about half as wide as spitfire classics) and bombed a hill right by house and their slide brought back  so many memories. Now I remember why I used ride nothing but STFs. And they don't have that plastic-ish feeling I remembered either.

This is weird. The STFs feel like a SLIGHTLY harder wayward (101s) with a bit more slide

I  know that riding then with loose tucks (I ride thunders with the stick white bushings and have never loosened or tightened them ever) with these might be a little slick but I love them. Makes me feel like a kid in a candy store.


Going to ride these for a bit and see if I find any flaws but right off the bat, they feel super good.  


Double edit: forgot the picture of the flat spot.

(https://s26.postimg.org/4nk93t9ax/IMG_1917.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 09, 2017, 11:09:50 PM
Okay, so on rough ass ground or the sidewalks on my way to work with pretty big cracks STFs definitely ?rattle my teeth? quite a bit but there is still something I love about them. Maybe because until about year ago I only rode them for a solid 3-4 years so I?m just used to them I don?t know.


Still think I prefer formula 4 classics but I don?t hate these STFs like I thought I would.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 09, 2017, 11:32:58 PM
Skated the 55mm 99a f4 lock-ins for the first time today. Much wider and hence grippier than my radial slims which were under 50mm. Blunts on ledges are much stickier but feel so much more in control bombing hills and navigating shit terrain. Feels nice to have a powerslide that actually slows you down. Can always wax up a ledge more, can't unwax the ground.

Might just be placebo effect but I did notice my backside 5050s on round rails slipping out into feeble less, so far I'm convinced that they do help a little with locking in. Got a small flatspot already though, should be gone in a few.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DCLOVE on September 10, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
How much of difference is there between a stf v2 and v5? I'm skating the v5s right now and enjoying them but the v2s seem like the same shape but slightly slimmer. Is that the only difference?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2017, 08:28:56 PM
How much of difference is there between a stf v2 and v5? I'm skating the v5s right now and enjoying them but the v2s seem like the same shape but slightly slimmer. Is that the only difference?

They pretty damn different.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 11, 2017, 08:35:29 AM
So I've only ever skated spitfire's classic shape.

Would anyone who's tried both, recommend classics or radial slims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 11, 2017, 09:53:11 AM
So I've only ever skated spitfire's classic shape.

Would anyone who's tried both, recommend classics or radial slims.

I haven't tried the slims, but regular radials are super nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 11, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
So I've only ever skated spitfire's classic shape.

Would anyone who's tried both, recommend classics or radial slims.

I prefer slimmer wheels so I opt'd for the Radial Slims...Classics are so round to me now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Toadfish Rebecchi on September 12, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
Why do Bones Wheels look like they're made of washing powder crammed really tightly into the shape of a wheel? It distresses me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: N.L. on September 12, 2017, 07:50:44 PM
So I've only ever skated spitfire's classic shape.

Would anyone who's tried both, recommend classics or radial slims.

Radial Slims in a 101 were too narrow for my tastes. Still an amazing wheel but I prefer regular radials, which are a perfect combo of shape and width for the stuff I skate. Classics also great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 12, 2017, 08:52:14 PM
plan to pick up some of those 55mm 99A lockins. getting tired of the classic shape on curbs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on September 13, 2017, 01:48:45 AM
First day skating OJ Insanathane 101s and these are substantially faster than any other wheel I have ever had. They are slippery as fuck, which I kinda like but I would be scared to skate an indoor or really smooth new tranny with these. For smooth street skating I would 100% skate these over a formula four 101.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on September 13, 2017, 07:32:00 AM
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So I've only ever skated spitfire's classic shape.

Would anyone who's tried both, recommend classics or radial slims.
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I prefer slimmer wheels so I opt'd for the Radial Slims...Classics are so round to me now.

Classics have a smaller riding surface, so they'll feel faster. I prefer the grip you get from the other shapes personally.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jamersonbass on September 13, 2017, 09:43:53 AM
I went from classic 99's and 101's, to 101 radial slims, and am currently on 99 conicals.  I really like the radial slims, but a spot popped up a year ago and the ground is super crusty.  It's almost like a comparing a road bike to a mountain bike.  I went with the conicals because they roll over the crusty stuff a lot better.  The spot is a super long, higher than average painted curb and 1 or 2 feet away from where you'd normally land, it's like they pored gravel over the blacktop before it cured.  I call it the gauntlet, hahah.  Radial slims would eventually slow you down to a halt if you rolled into it.  Conical's get through it a lot more effectively.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on September 15, 2017, 10:16:43 AM
I'm sure it should been brought up somewhere among this thread but the search never seems to be helpful... has any one tried Satori wheels? I'm a spitfire loyalist but they have this Marl Watson wheel I find interesting...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on September 15, 2017, 12:21:25 PM
I'm sure it should been brought up somewhere among this thread but the search never seems to be helpful... has any one tried Satori wheels? I'm a spitfire loyalist but they have this Marl Watson wheel I find interesting...
I had some satoris a couple of years back, they were a danny fuenzalida pro model and boy were they good wheels, slid super well and the slide was definitely really controlled and they lasted a long time. I would definitely recommend them, in fact I think they are the best wheels behind Formula 4s that Ive tried.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 15, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
I'm sure it should been brought up somewhere among this thread but the search never seems to be helpful... has any one tried Satori wheels? I'm a spitfire loyalist but they have this Marl Watson wheel I find interesting...

god damn it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: perverted super otaku! on September 16, 2017, 05:59:27 AM
Made the switch back to Bones(SPF) a while ago, and don't think I can ever go back to F4's, they seem to last way longer and dont skid out as much when your turning at higher speeds on shitty ground
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheVisitor on September 18, 2017, 06:04:26 PM
So I started skating again earlier this year and I've noticed that people seem to really like these conical shapes that a lot of companies are putting out. How are they better for street skating vs classic shaped wheels? Are they supposed to make riding over rough terrain easier or locking into slappy grinds easier?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mr. Kamikazi on September 18, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
sml wheels AG formula size 53.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 22, 2017, 08:50:45 AM
I don't think I've mentioned this but I'm skating a bones 81 SPF and they skate good....a hair softer so they don't feel as rattley....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on September 22, 2017, 09:09:55 AM
I don't think I've mentioned this but I'm skating a bones 81 SPF and they skate good....a hair softer so they don't feel as rattley....
My buddy was skating regular SPF's and accidentally bought the 81 SPF's when he got new wheels. He couldn't do any of his revert shit for a few days. It was funny how confused he was.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JerrySeinfeld on September 22, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
I just flat spotted my radial slime doing a bs 180 off a curb. Pretty disappointed since it was my first session with the wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 22, 2017, 09:41:30 AM
I just flat spotted my radial slime doing a bs 180 off a curb. Pretty disappointed since it was my first session with the wheels

I can't remember who brought it up a while ago.. But you should usually take some time to break in F4s before you start sliding them around :o

A few people have flatted them, all when brand new! They need to get a bit roughed up before they're flat resistant.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: delaware county on September 22, 2017, 11:33:22 AM
Flatspotted the shit out of some OJ's the other day, granted they were just a basic wheel formula(not insaneathane). Anyone on here fuck with Prizefighter? I think I'm gonna give em a try
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LennyDLXSF on September 22, 2017, 11:38:09 AM
I just flat spotted my radial slime doing a bs 180 off a curb. Pretty disappointed since it was my first session with the wheels

Email me please.

[email protected]
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 25, 2017, 01:09:08 PM
Flatspotted the shit out of some OJ's the other day, granted they were just a basic wheel formula(not insaneathane). Anyone on here fuck with Prizefighter? I think I'm gonna give em a try

had a set a few years ago and its good shit, but this was before F4 so i compare
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on September 25, 2017, 01:20:32 PM
Prize Fighter's are great, slide and have grip. F4s are easier to powerslide but the feel and ride is different, PFC's ride a little harder.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 25, 2017, 01:26:37 PM
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I don't think I've mentioned this but I'm skating a bones 81 SPF and they skate good....a hair softer so they don't feel as rattley....
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My buddy was skating regular SPF's and accidentally bought the 81 SPF's when he got new wheels. He couldn't do any of his revert shit for a few days. It was funny how confused he was.

I got these on my street set up so like asphalt and stuff...the little bit of softness is nice.....I skate the regs SPF on ramps and yeah a bit stickier for sure but I don't worry if the ramp isn't mopped....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on September 25, 2017, 01:49:03 PM
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I had some satoris a couple of years back, they were a danny fuenzalida pro model and boy were they good wheels, slid super well and the slide was definitely really controlled and they lasted a long time. I would definitely recommend them

+1 for Satori, really underrated wheels. Almost impossible to find these days. I'm actually putting a set of Fuenz 52s on my next board. I was riding Satori Guru 82b and I loved those too but decided to size down from 54.

So I started skating again earlier this year and I've noticed that people seem to really like these conical shapes that a lot of companies are putting out. How are they better for street skating vs classic shaped wheels? Are they supposed to make riding over rough terrain easier or locking into slappy grinds easier?

That's a great question and truthfully it all comes down to personal preference. There is science behind contact patch and how it relates to controlling slides, etc., but it really is all about personal preference. I used to skate wide wheels and conical cuts but I love skinny wheels these days. My favorite wheel shape is thin with a tablet cut, Autobahn ABX and those Ricta NRG for instance. To your point, it does seem like wider wheels are all the rage at the moment.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 25, 2017, 05:30:21 PM
Flatspotted the shit out of some OJ's the other day, granted they were just a basic wheel formula(not insaneathane). Anyone on here fuck with Prizefighter? I think I'm gonna give em a try
they'll rattle your teeth out but I guess some people like that. My wife has some (of my old ones) on her board and they look huge width-wise now that I'm skating radial slims :o Also, are they still in business? Haven't seen a release from them in a minute
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on September 25, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
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I don't think I've mentioned this but I'm skating a bones 81 SPF and they skate good....a hair softer so they don't feel as rattley....
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My buddy was skating regular SPF's and accidentally bought the 81 SPF's when he got new wheels. He couldn't do any of his revert shit for a few days. It was funny how confused he was.
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I got these on my street set up so like asphalt and stuff...the little bit of softness is nice.....I skate the regs SPF on ramps and yeah a bit stickier for sure but I don't worry if the ramp isn't mopped....
Yes they are not as glidey on shittier asphalt than stf coz less rebound, but on decent ground a hard fast long great roll that is just a little less harsh or something.  grippy af at first but hey loosen up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 25, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
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I'm sure it should been brought up somewhere among this thread but the search never seems to be helpful... has any one tried Satori wheels? I'm a spitfire loyalist but they have this Marl Watson wheel I find interesting...
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I had some satoris a couple of years back, they were a danny fuenzalida pro model and boy were they good wheels, slid super well and the slide was definitely really controlled and they lasted a long time. I would definitely recommend them
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+1 for Satori, really underrated wheels. Almost impossible to find these days. I'm actually putting a set of Fuenz 52s on my next board. I was riding Satori Guru 82b and I loved those too but decided to size down from 54.

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So I started skating again earlier this year and I've noticed that people seem to really like these conical shapes that a lot of companies are putting out. How are they better for street skating vs classic shaped wheels? Are they supposed to make riding over rough terrain easier or locking into slappy grinds easier?
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That's a great question and truthfully it all comes down to personal preference. There is science behind contact patch and how it relates to controlling slides, etc., but it really is all about personal preference. I used to skate wide wheels and conical cuts but I love skinny wheels these days. My favorite wheel shape is thin with a tablet cut, Autobahn ABX and those Ricta NRG for instance. To your point, it does seem like wider wheels are all the rage at the moment.


I can never tell how I feel about wide wheels, so I keep it to classic or radial. I've never been able to comfortably slide with wide wheels, maybe its just a psychological thing ??? Thin wheels are too slippery for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on September 25, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
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I'm sure it should been brought up somewhere among this thread but the search never seems to be helpful... has any one tried Satori wheels? I'm a spitfire loyalist but they have this Marl Watson wheel I find interesting...
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I had some satoris a couple of years back, they were a danny fuenzalida pro model and boy were they good wheels, slid super well and the slide was definitely really controlled and they lasted a long time. I would definitely recommend them
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+1 for Satori, really underrated wheels. Almost impossible to find these days. I'm actually putting a set of Fuenz 52s on my next board. I was riding Satori Guru 82b and I loved those too but decided to size down from 54.

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So I started skating again earlier this year and I've noticed that people seem to really like these conical shapes that a lot of companies are putting out. How are they better for street skating vs classic shaped wheels? Are they supposed to make riding over rough terrain easier or locking into slappy grinds easier?
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That's a great question and truthfully it all comes down to personal preference. There is science behind contact patch and how it relates to controlling slides, etc., but it really is all about personal preference. I used to skate wide wheels and conical cuts but I love skinny wheels these days. My favorite wheel shape is thin with a tablet cut, Autobahn ABX and those Ricta NRG for instance. To your point, it does seem like wider wheels are all the rage at the moment.
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I can never tell how I feel about wide wheels, so I keep it to classic or radial. I've never been able to comfortably slide with wide wheels, maybe its just a psychological thing ??? Thin wheels are too slippery for me.

Probably, cuz a bigger surface area does not increase the coefficient of friction.
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Post by: Randozzi on September 26, 2017, 01:02:04 AM
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Flatspotted the shit out of some OJ's the other day, granted they were just a basic wheel formula(not insaneathane). Anyone on here fuck with Prizefighter? I think I'm gonna give em a try
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they'll rattle your teeth out but I guess some people like that. My wife has some (of my old ones) on her board and they look huge width-wise now that I'm skating radial slims :o Also, are they still in business? Haven't seen a release from them in a minute
Nope, they are still around just only a couple sizes available right now.

http://www.prizefightercutlery.com (http://www.prizefightercutlery.com)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2017, 08:10:23 PM
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I'm sure it should been brought up somewhere among this thread but the search never seems to be helpful... has any one tried Satori wheels? I'm a spitfire loyalist but they have this Marl Watson wheel I find interesting...
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I had some satoris a couple of years back, they were a danny fuenzalida pro model and boy were they good wheels, slid super well and the slide was definitely really controlled and they lasted a long time. I would definitely recommend them
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+1 for Satori, really underrated wheels. Almost impossible to find these days. I'm actually putting a set of Fuenz 52s on my next board. I was riding Satori Guru 82b and I loved those too but decided to size down from 54.

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So I started skating again earlier this year and I've noticed that people seem to really like these conical shapes that a lot of companies are putting out. How are they better for street skating vs classic shaped wheels? Are they supposed to make riding over rough terrain easier or locking into slappy grinds easier?
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That's a great question and truthfully it all comes down to personal preference. There is science behind contact patch and how it relates to controlling slides, etc., but it really is all about personal preference. I used to skate wide wheels and conical cuts but I love skinny wheels these days. My favorite wheel shape is thin with a tablet cut, Autobahn ABX and those Ricta NRG for instance. To your point, it does seem like wider wheels are all the rage at the moment.

Same here, don't forget Bones V2s (thinking about grabbing a set as all the ricta nrg/naturals are getting wiiiiiide too =(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on October 03, 2017, 08:45:00 PM
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I'm sure it should been brought up somewhere among this thread but the search never seems to be helpful... has any one tried Satori wheels? I'm a spitfire loyalist but they have this Marl Watson wheel I find interesting...
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I had some satoris a couple of years back, they were a danny fuenzalida pro model and boy were they good wheels, slid super well and the slide was definitely really controlled and they lasted a long time. I would definitely recommend them
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+1 for Satori, really underrated wheels. Almost impossible to find these days. I'm actually putting a set of Fuenz 52s on my next board. I was riding Satori Guru 82b and I loved those too but decided to size down from 54.

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So I started skating again earlier this year and I've noticed that people seem to really like these conical shapes that a lot of companies are putting out. How are they better for street skating vs classic shaped wheels? Are they supposed to make riding over rough terrain easier or locking into slappy grinds easier?
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That's a great question and truthfully it all comes down to personal preference. There is science behind contact patch and how it relates to controlling slides, etc., but it really is all about personal preference. I used to skate wide wheels and conical cuts but I love skinny wheels these days. My favorite wheel shape is thin with a tablet cut, Autobahn ABX and those Ricta NRG for instance. To your point, it does seem like wider wheels are all the rage at the moment.
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Same here, don't forget Bones V2s (thinking about grabbing a set as all the ricta nrg/naturals are getting wiiiiiide too =(

Are you talking about riding surface or the width of the wheel? I recently had an unopened set of 54mm stf v5s and an unopened set of 53mm stf v2s and the riding surface of the v2s was actually a little wider than the v5s. Theyre square cut but the contact patch isn't by any means that thin.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on October 04, 2017, 08:47:16 AM
I remember going through some thing on longboard wheels (those nerds write about everything) where it was saying that wider wheels both break into slides easier (but also don't break back out of slides as easy), and while there is equivalent friction between wide wheels and skinny wheels, that wide wheels have less pressure vs. surface area, allowing them to roll over rough ground and bumps without losing as much speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the snake on October 04, 2017, 11:39:03 AM


Are you talking about riding surface or the width of the wheel? I recently had an unopened set of 54mm stf v5s and an unopened set of 53mm stf v2s and the riding surface of the v2s was actually a little wider than the v5s. Theyre square cut but the contact patch isn't by any means that thin.
give us the dimensions please
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Post by: tzhangdox on October 04, 2017, 11:54:18 AM
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Are you talking about riding surface or the width of the wheel? I recently had an unopened set of 54mm stf v5s and an unopened set of 53mm stf v2s and the riding surface of the v2s was actually a little wider than the v5s. Theyre square cut but the contact patch isn't by any means that thin.
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give us the dimensions please

I gave the v2s to a friend, but if you look closely at this picture, https://bones.com/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/BONES_STF_shapes_2017.jpg, you'll notice that though the v5s are wider, the actual contact patch is a little thinner than the v2s, just by a tiny bit though.
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Post by: patrick c. on October 04, 2017, 11:57:24 AM
that wide wheels have less pressure vs. surface area, allowing them to roll over rough ground and bumps without losing as much speed.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pCrjLVSapII/hqdefault.jpg)
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Post by: the snake on October 04, 2017, 12:29:53 PM
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Are you talking about riding surface or the width of the wheel? I recently had an unopened set of 54mm stf v5s and an unopened set of 53mm stf v2s and the riding surface of the v2s was actually a little wider than the v5s. Theyre square cut but the contact patch isn't by any means that thin.
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give us the dimensions please
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I gave the v2s to a friend, but if you look closely at this picture, https://bones.com/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/BONES_STF_shapes_2017.jpg, you'll notice that though the v5s are wider, the actual contact patch is a little thinner than the v2s, just by a tiny bit though.
2mm...yeah that's a thin difference
riding some classic full 101a for 10 months, they're great on all terrains, only 3mm down !
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 05, 2017, 09:28:33 AM
The v5s are wider because of the lip of the wheel, supposedly to help you roll over the coping and lock in for bowls; only difference in the cut and 'function' compared to the V2.

Riding 52mm V5s in a transition focused park atm - most people here ride SPF P5s (very close in shape as the V5s but a tad less round on the lip).

I'm trying to find the SPF P1s in 53mm but they're discontinued and tough to find to have some smaller SPFs as wearing down bigger ones takes forever.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on October 07, 2017, 12:39:11 PM
The v5s are wider because of the lip of the wheel, supposedly to help you roll over the coping and lock in for bowls; only difference in the cut and 'function' compared to the V2.

Riding 52mm V5s in a transition focused park atm - most people here ride SPF P5s (very close in shape as the V5s but a tad less round on the lip).

I'm trying to find the SPF P1s in 53mm but they're discontinued and tough to find to have some smaller SPFs as wearing down bigger ones takes forever.

https://www.skateamerica.com/products/bones-strokes-spf-v1-skateboard-wheels-black-53mm-set-of-4?variant=14786325574
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Post by: Xen on October 07, 2017, 05:32:46 PM
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The v5s are wider because of the lip of the wheel, supposedly to help you roll over the coping and lock in for bowls; only difference in the cut and 'function' compared to the V2.

Riding 52mm V5s in a transition focused park atm - most people here ride SPF P5s (very close in shape as the V5s but a tad less round on the lip).

I'm trying to find the SPF P1s in 53mm but they're discontinued and tough to find to have some smaller SPFs as wearing down bigger ones takes forever.
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https://www.skateamerica.com/products/bones-strokes-spf-v1-skateboard-wheels-black-53mm-set-of-4?variant=14786325574

You the real MVP.

Gave waywards another chance using some swiss six and no spacers so they are not clamped down, feel much better and not as soft in a smooth park setting...got a few digs/small chunks missing on the riding surface from my last street session, really annoying sounding in a smooth park tho :\
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 11, 2017, 09:13:59 AM
Wanted to try a wider wheel so I Got some 54,101 conical fulls. First 2 sessions had me feeling kinda "meh" about em because they felt clunky locking in to grinds compared to my 54mm Crupies but yesterday I had a pretty good session on them so the verdicts still out. I was originally gonna get some 53mm lock-ins and I still kinda feel like maybe I shoulda grabbed those instead now since but we'll see...I love my Crupies tho I'm gonna have to grab some Tiago wheels at some point for sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on October 11, 2017, 03:37:32 PM
Just managed to powerslide of a quite deep crater that appeared after skating some angle iron (my local park meh). It initially evolved into a shallower crater surrounded by flatspot but eventually that went away too and im now left with a slightly smaller but greatly smoother wheel. Super stoked because last time I tried this was ages ago and was a kinda different situation, only had a small flatspot then.
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Post by: ontheswarm on October 11, 2017, 04:07:44 PM
Just got the conical full formula fours. Had the mike anderson wheel before and different variations so I'm curious to see how they are.
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Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 11, 2017, 04:23:29 PM
Just got the conical full formula fours. Had the mike anderson wheel before and different variations so I'm curious to see how they are.

How did you like the mike Anderson sfw? I've been waffling on whether to get them for like 3-4 months.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2017, 04:41:00 PM
Over the past two days of park skating I've put flat spots (and taken out a chunk) on waywards (doing reverts) and my stfs (re-learning F/S bigspins off a bank and I'd slide the full rotation). Fucking pissed. I'm sure they'd ride out if I did more 'real street' but still...

Just can't stand the bdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdb sound on smooth crete back to OJs until I flat those on bigspins or whatever.
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Post by: ontheswarm on October 11, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
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Just got the conical full formula fours. Had the mike anderson wheel before and different variations so I'm curious to see how they are.
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How did you like the mike Anderson sfw? I've been waffling on whether to get them for like 3-4 months.

Been a long time but they were a really good wheel but they don't last as long as formula fours.
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Post by: Paco Supreme on October 11, 2017, 10:14:33 PM
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Just got the conical full formula fours. Had the mike anderson wheel before and different variations so I'm curious to see how they are.
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How did you like the mike Anderson sfw? I've been waffling on whether to get them for like 3-4 months.

Conical full are the F4 mandersons, if you like the formula go with those. Otherwise the SFWs are just boxy shaped classics
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 16, 2017, 03:34:57 AM
been skating some stf v5s for over a year now, well due a new set. really enjoyed the stfs but i'm just wondering if it's worth giving spfs, formula fours, or even something from speedlab a shot.
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Post by: danjtony on October 16, 2017, 08:14:06 AM
If you skate a lot of tranny, the grip to speed ratio of SPFs is unparalleled. Formula fours are sick on crusty spots, but I find them kind of sluggish at the park. Though they slide really well. I never tried Speedlabs, but I kinda wanna get some of their 97a for indoor park season.
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Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 16, 2017, 08:54:44 AM
caved and got some 53mm formula fours on sale for £25 quid, worst comes to worst if i dont like them ill sell them on and try something else. all i rode for years were spitfire classics then changed to stfs and it was a whole new world
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Post by: JusticeAbberdash on October 16, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
caved and got some 53mm formula fours on sale for £25 quid, worst comes to worst if i dont like them ill sell them on and try something else. all i rode for years were spitfire classics then changed to stfs and it was a whole new world

F4s and STFs are almost equal IMO. They just have different feels. STFs are bouncy rubbery feeling, but slippery at the same time. F4s feel like rocks but grip pretty well.
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Post by: Krooked antihero on October 17, 2017, 12:02:46 AM
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caved and got some 53mm formula fours on sale for £25 quid, worst comes to worst if i dont like them ill sell them on and try something else. all i rode for years were spitfire classics then changed to stfs and it was a whole new world
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F4s and STFs are almost equal IMO. They just have different feels. STFs are bouncy rubbery feeling, but slippery at the same time. F4s feel like rocks but grip pretty well.
I feel total opposite, for me stf’s grip more and f4’s are bit unpredictable on slides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on October 26, 2017, 01:37:54 AM
After almost a decade on Bones STF I set up Crupie wheels couple of days ago to try them out and they are holding up great after skating them on some smooth and some really rough ground.  No chips or flatspots yet.
Performance wise in the streets they are comparable to STFs that I rode before, time will tell if they are as durable.
Great value for money as Bones STF/Spitfire F4 cost almost twice as much.
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Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 26, 2017, 06:12:41 AM
After almost a decade on Bones STF I set up Crupie wheels couple of days ago to try them out and they are holding up great after skating them on some smooth and some really rough ground.  No chips or flatspots yet.
Performance wise in the streets they are comparable to STFs that I rode before, time will tell if they are as durable.
Great value for money as Bones STF/Spitfire F4 cost almost twice as much.

Yeah Crupies are damn good wheels, especially since their quality is on par with Bones/Spitfire at a lower cost. Loved the set I skated. I went back to some F4’s for the sake of trying a new wheel shape but I’ve got my eyes on some Tiago Crupies next. Will probably cop when he wins SotY
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2017, 06:13:26 PM
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After almost a decade on Bones STF I set up Crupie wheels couple of days ago to try them out and they are holding up great after skating them on some smooth and some really rough ground.  No chips or flatspots yet.
Performance wise in the streets they are comparable to STFs that I rode before, time will tell if they are as durable.
Great value for money as Bones STF/Spitfire F4 cost almost twice as much.
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Yeah Crupies are damn good wheels, especially since their quality is on par with Bones/Spitfire at a lower cost. Loved the set I skated. I went back to some F4’s for the sake of trying a new wheel shape but I’ve got my eyes on some Tiago Crupies next. Will probably cop when he wins SotY

I'm going to grab a set, the thinner shape seems really nice (plus I'm flatting wheels so an extra would be handy).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on October 26, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
53mm crupies might be a sleeper hit.
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Post by: Vigo the Carpathian on October 26, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
Ordered these 83b Clone wheels today.  If they don't come in a fucking test tube I'm sending them back.
(https://www.tactics.com/a/9ru7/2/alien-workshop-clone-b-cells-skateboard-wheels-white-pink-orange-83b.jpg)
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Post by: Xen on October 26, 2017, 09:51:22 PM
53mm crupies might be a sleeper hit.

I've got some sitting in a cart, once I hear back from them on my questions I'll probably bite. For now, back on F4 radial slims for a bit (kinda saving my ojs from flat spotting as i've been on a run lately and figure i'll flat the f4s first ;)

Ordered these 83b Clone wheels today.  If they don't come in a fucking test tube I'm sending them back.
(https://www.tactics.com/a/9ru7/2/alien-workshop-clone-b-cells-skateboard-wheels-white-pink-orange-83b.jpg)

Board brand wheels, run away, run away!!!

That being said, anyone run board brand wheels with positive results?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on October 27, 2017, 06:13:01 AM
Pig - when they also used to make boards
Darkstar - when they also used to make wheels
Flip - when they used to make both. I liked them but was not too fond of them
Around 2009 I had a set of chocolates that had a soft core and was harder on the outside. Thought they skated pretty weird at first but when I got used to the feel I started liking them.
Anything else I can think off has been utter shite, mainly having to do with misaligned bearing sockets.
If you take a wheel with bearings and hold it between your index finger and thumb (through where the axle would pass) and spin it and then feel some movement, then the wheels are really bad and the company should be giving them away like they do with promotional lighters and keyholders because those wheels probably cost as much.
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Post by: sharkin on October 27, 2017, 07:01:19 AM
i had a set of AW wheels in 2009 that weren't awful

they were the keith haring collab got em for like $9 and rode them a few months with no flatspots
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Post by: Esquivel on October 27, 2017, 07:28:40 AM
^oh shit i forgot a set of aw duane pitre that i had back in the day and that i liked a lot but at the time it didnt matter much because wheels were tiny and after a day or two they were destroyed to tell any difference
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: birdplops on October 27, 2017, 04:43:51 PM
Dear Slap,

I got some new spitfires, but there is this mark on one. The surface is smooth but it looks like a crack- send it back or skate it?

(https://i.imgur.com/2kryF5b.jpg)

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Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on October 27, 2017, 07:55:43 PM
Skate it. I bet its just a minor blemish.
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Post by: saltusnaut on October 28, 2017, 02:46:30 AM
Dear Slap,

I got some new spitfires, but there is this mark on one. The surface is smooth but it looks like a crack- send it back or skate it?

(https://i.imgur.com/2kryF5b.jpg)

Looks like something went wrong in pouring them. I would be worried bombing a hill on that wheel.
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Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 28, 2017, 02:51:24 AM
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caved and got some 53mm formula fours on sale for £25 quid, worst comes to worst if i dont like them ill sell them on and try something else. all i rode for years were spitfire classics then changed to stfs and it was a whole new world
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F4s and STFs are almost equal IMO. They just have different feels. STFs are bouncy rubbery feeling, but slippery at the same time. F4s feel like rocks but grip pretty well.
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I feel total opposite, for me stf’s grip more and f4’s are bit unpredictable on slides.

after a week or so on the f4s im really enjoying it, if anything id say my experience is the reverse of yours with the f4s gripping more and the stfs being far slippier but in reality thats probably down to the fact i had the stfs a year and they shrunk like fuck
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Post by: Szechuan on October 28, 2017, 03:02:28 AM
I've been wanting to get some formula 4's, is there a difference for real from 99a and 101 duromater?
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Post by: gumi on October 28, 2017, 07:50:22 AM
I've been wanting to get some formula 4's, is there a difference for real from 99a and 101 duromater?

99s are noticeably smoother on rough ground, 101s slide just a wee bit more. Both really good
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Post by: j....soy..... on October 28, 2017, 07:53:40 AM
Picks up some SPF fireballs....they look good....kinda Powells response to the wide tread spitfire profiles....put em on my ramp set up....
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Post by: birdplops on October 28, 2017, 02:52:25 PM
Skate it. I bet its just a minor blemish.

Got them replaced- Good lads at Note in Manchester.
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Post by: Szechuan on October 29, 2017, 01:59:59 PM
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99s are noticeably smoother on rough ground, 101s slide just a wee bit more. Both really good
Word I'm in Alabama and most of the ground besides the park and downtown  is pretty rough so I'm def going with the 99a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vigo the Carpathian on October 29, 2017, 05:40:15 PM
Those Clones are pretty nice. Fast.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on October 29, 2017, 06:15:38 PM
I've been wanting to get some formula 4's, is there a difference for real from 99a and 101 duromater?

the 101's are way more slippery. i skate a lot of marble surfaces so the 99 ones are perfect. i tried the 101s after using the 99 classics and they felt too slippery so i had to go back to the 99s
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on October 30, 2017, 08:22:11 AM
Dear Slap,

I got some new spitfires, but there is this mark on one. The surface is smooth but it looks like a crack- send it back or skate it?

(https://i.imgur.com/2kryF5b.jpg)

Email me please!

[email protected]
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Post by: daysbeneathwaves on October 30, 2017, 03:39:47 PM
Those Clones are pretty nice. Fast.

Completely agree! I got the 54mm Chromosome Conical shaped ones and couldn't believe how fast yet seemingly forgiving on cracks and rough pavement they are! They're a little on the grippy side for a 101A but still slide nice and work well on the metal ramps at my park. After getting three defective sets of F4's in a row I decided to go a different route for my park/street wheels and I'm glad I did as I'm really enjoying them! They seem really well made too, no flatspots or chipping/chunking as of yet. They're only $25 on Tactics.

https://www.tactics.com/alien-workshop/clone-chromosome-skateboard-wheels/white-light-blue-101a (https://www.tactics.com/alien-workshop/clone-chromosome-skateboard-wheels/white-light-blue-101a)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: daysbeneathwaves on October 30, 2017, 04:09:21 PM
If you're in the market for an "in-between" wheel that isn't slow as molasses or as bouncy as a superball then I can't recommend these enough! Been skating them for about two years on my "Who knows what I'm gonna be skating?" setup. They're 92A but have a hard plastic core so they actually go go go instead of mushing out around the bearings like Spitfire SoftD's do. 92A is what I used to skate as a street wheel when I was a kid in the 80's so "power-sliding" a 92A wheel is business as usual for me but if you always skate harder wheels you may have to put a bit more "power" into it than you're used to when initiating a slide. You aren't going to be doing a lot of blunt slides with these but Slappies and Board-Slides or similar tricks can be accomplished pretty easily. I skate these on a metal mini-ramp a lot and they work pretty well there too. They also handle cracks and pebbles quite nicely.

If you want a hybrid wheel that you can cruise quickly over most terrains with but not be completely out of luck should you end up at a park or a nice ditch then this wheel is the perfect compromise between hard and soft while staying fast! Tactics usually has them but they seem to be out of stock right now so you can get them on the Sml site. Hope this helps someone!

https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-big-dreams-54mm-92a-1 (https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-big-dreams-54mm-92a-1)

(https://i.imgur.com/Vr5Ux3g.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DCLOVE on November 04, 2017, 08:37:38 PM
Been skating more tranny and was thinking about separate park board . Any recomendations on wheels . I figured this would be more of a dual use cruiser/ tranny setup so something that’s works well for both would be ideal. Thanks pals
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Post by: j....soy..... on November 06, 2017, 09:30:30 AM
81b SPF's or 99a formula 4's no?
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Post by: TheVisitor on November 07, 2017, 11:50:23 AM
Has anyone skated Ghetto Child since they relaunched the brand? Are the wheels any good?
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Post by: JusticeAbberdash on November 07, 2017, 02:31:38 PM
I wonder what would happen if you took STF and F4 urethane and mixed it together? Would you create the ultimate wheel?
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Post by: theloniousmonk on November 07, 2017, 05:07:23 PM
Been skating more tranny and was thinking about separate park board . Any recomendations on wheels . I figured this would be more of a dual use cruiser/ tranny setup so something that’s works well for both would be ideal. Thanks pals
Not sure if you mean outdoor concrete or wood ramps, but I have a set of 58mm bones skatepark formula that I skate at the dreamland park, and it's pretty fun to be able to just cruise around basically as fast as you want. I skate them on indy 159 forged, with no risers on the 8.88 creature shape with a 15" wheelbase.  I probably wouldn't have gotten the wheels, but skatewarehouse had them for like $16 last spring, and I'm pretty hyped on that setup for concrete. I skate 55-56mm stf everywhere else, including masonite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2017, 07:22:27 PM
Been skating more tranny and was thinking about separate park board . Any recomendations on wheels . I figured this would be more of a dual use cruiser/ tranny setup so something that’s works well for both would be ideal. Thanks pals

Are you good at carving? I'm only asking as a park wheel and a cruiser wheel are/can be totally different.

Park wheels are usually hard, would recommend SPFs, the P5 shape. Cruiser wheels or softer wheels, I seen old guys rocking them in bowls all the time (hell Alva still does), I can't do it tho, you have to go BIG on the mms to compensate for the soft thane...they're also really grippy.

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Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 07, 2017, 08:02:15 PM
I wonder what would happen if you took STF and F4 urethane and mixed it together? Would you create the ultimate wheel?

No.
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Post by: j....soy..... on November 07, 2017, 08:33:20 PM
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Been skating more tranny and was thinking about separate park board . Any recomendations on wheels . I figured this would be more of a dual use cruiser/ tranny setup so something that’s works well for both would be ideal. Thanks pals
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Are you good at carving? I'm only asking as a park wheel and a cruiser wheel are/can be totally different.

Park wheels are usually hard, would recommend SPFs, the P5 shape. Cruiser wheels or softer wheels, I seen old guys rocking them in bowls all the time (hell Alva still does), I can't do it tho, you have to go BIG on the mms to compensate for the soft thane...they're also really grippy.

I don't even really like having soft wheels for cruisers because they are hard to slide on....which is why I recommended something just a hair softer to take the edge off.....the bones SPF while still really hard the stickiness just gives you that less plastic feel.....I think the 99 spits are up the same alley....

Get something wide.....the bones make fireballs and spits have conical.....

I get the idea of the board....I usually ride an 8' w. Tablet wheels but a wider 8.5 w. Slightly softer, bigger and wider wheels...to ride on tranny and back alleys makes sense....a good board to have around....
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Post by: Xen on November 08, 2017, 11:23:03 AM
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Been skating more tranny and was thinking about separate park board . Any recomendations on wheels . I figured this would be more of a dual use cruiser/ tranny setup so something that’s works well for both would be ideal. Thanks pals
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Are you good at carving? I'm only asking as a park wheel and a cruiser wheel are/can be totally different.

Park wheels are usually hard, would recommend SPFs, the P5 shape. Cruiser wheels or softer wheels, I seen old guys rocking them in bowls all the time (hell Alva still does), I can't do it tho, you have to go BIG on the mms to compensate for the soft thane...they're also really grippy.
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I don't even really like having soft wheels for cruisers because they are hard to slide on....which is why I recommended something just a hair softer to take the edge off.....the bones SPF while still really hard the stickiness just gives you that less plastic feel.....I think the 99 spits are up the same alley....

Get something wide.....the bones make fireballs and spits have conical.....

I get the idea of the board....I usually ride an 8' w. Tablet wheels but a wider 8.5 w. Slightly softer, bigger and wider wheels...to ride on tranny and back alleys makes sense....a good board to have around....

I've tried so many duros and wheel types to get a cruiser wheel that can slide and still take the bumps out...I've not succeeded (then again I also live in a part of LA with some of the roughest fucking roads and jankiest sidewalks around all littered with fucking hard berries and shit); it's for that reason I use Powells Rough Riders, plenty fast and smooth but not slidey.
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Post by: j....soy..... on November 08, 2017, 02:26:09 PM
Powell sent me more or less the rough riders formula but no hub in a traditional shape and I like em but they are too soft to feel good doing ollies and such....I have them on my zip zinger and love em...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ceruleanalien on November 09, 2017, 08:33:48 AM
I've tried so many duros and wheel types to get a cruiser wheel that can slide and still take the bumps out...I've not succeeded (then again I also live in a part of LA with some of the roughest fucking roads and jankiest sidewalks around all littered with fucking hard berries and shit); it's for that reason I use Powells Rough Riders, plenty fast and smooth but not slidey.

Try the Powell G-Slides 85A wheels. Same exact size as the Rough Riders but they actually slide pretty well. They also handle rough terrain about as good as the Rough Riders.
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Post by: tzhangdox on November 09, 2017, 01:52:20 PM
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I've tried so many duros and wheel types to get a cruiser wheel that can slide and still take the bumps out...I've not succeeded (then again I also live in a part of LA with some of the roughest fucking roads and jankiest sidewalks around all littered with fucking hard berries and shit); it's for that reason I use Powells Rough Riders, plenty fast and smooth but not slidey.
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Try the Powell G-Slides 85A wheels. Same exact size as the Rough Riders but they actually slide pretty well. They also handle rough terrain about as good as the Rough Riders.

Am curious to try the g-slides 85a too. On the powell bomber 3 85a 60mms right now and they slide incredibly well and don't flatspot for a cruiser wheel.
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Post by: 410420247 on November 09, 2017, 04:39:33 PM
G-Slides vs Keyframes?
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Post by: Chippedwood on November 16, 2017, 02:10:38 PM
Interested to hear what other people are riding other than Spits or Bones. Did a search and was surprised there wasn't a thread for other wheel manus. There is a great selection of smaller brands... Autobahn, OJ, Broadcast, Paradise, Pusher, SML, PFC, Type S, etc. Definitely interested to hear what people are skating.

Currently on these on these SML Herrington 53 Wides and I love them. They were a little slick for my tastes at first but after a few sessions they're perfect. For anyone that prefers wider wheels they are great:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/SML_herrington_zps8e9c79be.jpg)

Just finished up on OJ Dela 53. Wasn't a big fan of them on first ride, but gave them a revisit and I was pretty psyched:

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I have these up next, Satori Guru 54:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/satori_guru_zps523a8dcd.jpg)
If you are young you should just start riding spitfire classics now, you want to ride wheels that are going to be around forever. You get spitfire classics whatever size you want and bones bearings and thats what you ride for wheels, you dont fuck with that. then you get indys and get new indy bushings.
then you always have your spitfires and your indys, makes setting up a board much easier. no gimmicks.
Then you get OJs for your cruiser or rough spot board, I like the OJ ditch witch wheel too, sometimes you need something a lil softer and at 92 you can still powerslide.
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Post by: MOE SYZLAK on November 21, 2017, 01:49:27 AM
Been skating the Sml AG formula V-cuts.
Love them so far. A nice balance of grip and slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Willie on November 23, 2017, 08:11:51 AM
Does anyone make a 97a or equivalent anymore? I'm still looking for a good "rough park" wheel.

My 99 F4s are pretty great on almost everything but lose speed and rattle around too much on my local asphalt-flat tranny park.

I have some older DTF Formula wheels on my park cruiser but they are annoyingly bouncy and unresponsive. Trying to find a middle ground.
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Post by: danjtony on November 23, 2017, 10:15:47 AM
^Santa Cruz started making the Slime Balls 97a in smaller sizes again (52-54-56 I think). I like that formula a lot. Takes the edge off of fucked up ground and provides more grip in below freezing temps/indoor spots.
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Post by: vegan*shawn on November 25, 2017, 02:16:00 PM
Does anyone make a 97a or equivalent anymore? I'm still looking for a good "rough park" wheel.

My 99 F4s are pretty great on almost everything but lose speed and rattle around too much on my local asphalt-flat tranny park.

I have some older DTF Formula wheels on my park cruiser but they are annoyingly bouncy and unresponsive. Trying to find a middle ground.

Speed Lab wheels have some, depending on what size you want.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: vegan*shawn on November 25, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
I recently won a set of OJ wheels (the Shrine ones that come with a tape) they are 55mm. I was skating some really old Spitfire Mike Anderson wheels before (like for a year) that started off as 54mm. The Spitfire wheels even a year later are faster then the OJ wheels, every set of OJ wheels I have tried have a sluggish feeling to them, glad I didn't pay for them. Anyone else have this issue?
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Post by: Jared on November 25, 2017, 02:49:45 PM
I recently won a set of OJ wheels (the Shrine ones that come with a tape) they are 55mm. I was skating some really old Spitfire Mike Anderson wheels before (like for a year) that started off as 54mm. The Spitfire wheels even a year later are faster then the OJ wheels, every set of OJ wheels I have tried have a sluggish feeling to them, glad I didn't pay for them. Anyone else have this issue?
Yeah I've had that problem too, it feels like driving with really under inflated tires. Also the 2 pairs I had got flat spots within 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 25, 2017, 07:20:53 PM
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I recently won a set of OJ wheels (the Shrine ones that come with a tape) they are 55mm. I was skating some really old Spitfire Mike Anderson wheels before (like for a year) that started off as 54mm. The Spitfire wheels even a year later are faster then the OJ wheels, every set of OJ wheels I have tried have a sluggish feeling to them, glad I didn't pay for them. Anyone else have this issue?
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Yeah I've had that problem too, it feels like driving with really under inflated tires. Also the 2 pairs I had got flat spots within 30 minutes.

Yup. 'Regular' OJ'thane feels slow as hell at 101 but feels ok on rough terrain (I've also flatted every set I've had skating smooth parks) 'Insane-a-thane' is totally different, after you get used to them, they as fast as SPFs in parks. Super hard and fast (some say they feel chalky...maybe at first).

I've learned my lesson with regular oj than, never again, rather just get spits.

Interestingly enough, many people at my local park are rocking oj insane-a-thane and two that I speak with regularly feel that everything else after riding them feels slow.
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Post by: tzhangdox on November 25, 2017, 09:41:39 PM
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I recently won a set of OJ wheels (the Shrine ones that come with a tape) they are 55mm. I was skating some really old Spitfire Mike Anderson wheels before (like for a year) that started off as 54mm. The Spitfire wheels even a year later are faster then the OJ wheels, every set of OJ wheels I have tried have a sluggish feeling to them, glad I didn't pay for them. Anyone else have this issue?
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Yeah I've had that problem too, it feels like driving with really under inflated tires. Also the 2 pairs I had got flat spots within 30 minutes.
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Yup. 'Regular' OJ'thane feels slow as hell at 101 but feels ok on rough terrain (I've also flatted every set I've had skating smooth parks) 'Insane-a-thane' is totally different, after you get used to them, they as fast as SPFs in parks. Super hard and fast (some say they feel chalky...maybe at first).

I've learned my lesson with regular oj than, never again, rather just get spits.

Interestingly enough, many people at my local park are rocking oj insane-a-thane and two that I speak with regularly feel that everything else after riding them feels slow.

How do you think insane-a-thane handles on street terrain and how do they slide? Compared to 99a formula fours and bone stfs? Curious to try some.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: planman on November 28, 2017, 01:13:36 AM
Just ordered a board with the Mini logo A-cuts 101A, how are they? Everything they make always seems to be pretty solid
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Post by: Xen on November 28, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
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I recently won a set of OJ wheels (the Shrine ones that come with a tape) they are 55mm. I was skating some really old Spitfire Mike Anderson wheels before (like for a year) that started off as 54mm. The Spitfire wheels even a year later are faster then the OJ wheels, every set of OJ wheels I have tried have a sluggish feeling to them, glad I didn't pay for them. Anyone else have this issue?
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Yeah I've had that problem too, it feels like driving with really under inflated tires. Also the 2 pairs I had got flat spots within 30 minutes.
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Yup. 'Regular' OJ'thane feels slow as hell at 101 but feels ok on rough terrain (I've also flatted every set I've had skating smooth parks) 'Insane-a-thane' is totally different, after you get used to them, they as fast as SPFs in parks. Super hard and fast (some say they feel chalky...maybe at first).

I've learned my lesson with regular oj than, never again, rather just get spits.

Interestingly enough, many people at my local park are rocking oj insane-a-thane and two that I speak with regularly feel that everything else after riding them feels slow.
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How do you think insane-a-thane handles on street terrain and how do they slide? Compared to 99a formula fours and bone stfs? Curious to try some.

They slide great, not as slippery as F4s, as for street, they're hard wheels, they'll rattle your teeth. F4s and even STFs are far more forgiving than the OJs.
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Post by: Roisto on November 28, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
Just ordered a board with the Mini logo A-cuts 101A, how are they? Everything they make always seems to be pretty solid

Sticky and unpredictable slide compared to F4s. Other than that I guess they're alright. Just a bunch of wheels really. Nothing special.
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Post by: planman on November 28, 2017, 10:10:24 PM
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Sticky and unpredictable slide compared to F4s. Other than that I guess they're alright. Just a bunch of wheels really. Nothing special.
What about compared to classics? I don't powerslide a ton nor do I slide on ledges aside from boardslides so I think I'll be fine then
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Post by: Jollyoli on November 29, 2017, 05:48:55 AM
Must agree with the OJII chat, was so bummed that they felt like one of your bearings was seized.
Can't see much beyond the f4 but I am skating a set of Alta's which are a great wheel but super hard, not so good on my weathered streets and old park but fully fly on new crete and give a long satisfying screech when asked to. Once they are done it's back to f4 classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on November 29, 2017, 07:37:15 AM
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Just ordered a board with the Mini logo A-cuts 101A, how are they? Everything they make always seems to be pretty solid
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Sticky and unpredictable slide compared to F4s. Other than that I guess they're alright. Just a bunch of wheels really. Nothing special.
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What about compared to classics? I don't powerslide a ton nor do I slide on ledges aside from boardslides so I think I'll be fine then

https://youtu.be/fvZQVGGYQJc (https://youtu.be/fvZQVGGYQJc)

I've heard good things about the Bones 100's but not sure about mini logo....most Powell stuff I've bought has been pretty good...
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Post by: planman on November 29, 2017, 09:17:36 AM
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Just ordered a board with the Mini logo A-cuts 101A, how are they? Everything they make always seems to be pretty solid
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Sticky and unpredictable slide compared to F4s. Other than that I guess they're alright. Just a bunch of wheels really. Nothing special.
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What about compared to classics? I don't powerslide a ton nor do I slide on ledges aside from boardslides so I think I'll be fine then
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https://youtu.be/fvZQVGGYQJc (https://youtu.be/fvZQVGGYQJc)

I've heard good things about the Bones 100's but not sure about mini logo....most Powell stuff I've bought has been pretty good...
Pretty sure mini logo isn't owned by Powell anymore, also not stoked on how soft they seem, they'll be nice because Chicago has pretty shitty ground but I do too many 180s/disasters to not be able to slide. They're coming in today so maybe I'll feel different once I ride them myself.
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Post by: j....soy..... on November 29, 2017, 10:00:59 AM
Nah.....it's all owned by GP....

Possibly different factory though....
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Post by: dr.prestige on November 29, 2017, 12:08:42 PM
Just ordered a board with the Mini logo A-cuts 101A, how are they? Everything they make always seems to be pretty solid

Considering that they're something like 15 bucks for a set, I like them. They're noticeably stickier than Spitfires, but I skate a lot of transition and slippery ass parks so I don't really mind. They're reasonably durable as well, they seem to have kept their shape and size so far. While I'm probably going to go back to Spits or Bones after this it's nice to know there are some under $20 wheels that perform almost as well as some nearly $40 ones. I would get them if you want new wheels but are strapped for cash at the moment, or want a harder wheel that grips more than other brands.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 29, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
stay on f4's or support the little guys and get a pair of sml.s?
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Post by: chodekaka on November 29, 2017, 07:11:59 PM
stay on f4's or support the little guys and get a pair of sml.s?
Do you know baskwith
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 29, 2017, 09:47:42 PM
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Do you know baskwith
can't say I do...
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Post by: j....soy..... on November 29, 2017, 11:16:00 PM
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Considering that they're something like 15 bucks for a set, I like them. They're noticeably stickier than Spitfires, but I skate a lot of transition and slippery ass parks so I don't really mind. They're reasonably durable as well, they seem to have kept their shape and size so far. While I'm probably going to go back to Spits or Bones after this it's nice to know there are some under $20 wheels that perform almost as well as some nearly $40 ones. I would get them if you want new wheels but are strapped for cash at the moment, or want a harder wheel that grips more than other brands.

Not considering graphics..I think mini logo stuff is as good or better than half the stuff out there....

It's just not as good as the other half....
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Post by: chodekaka on November 30, 2017, 07:13:03 AM
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stay on f4's or support the little guys and get a pair of sml.s?
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Do you know baskwith
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can't say I do...
Okay thank you people were asking
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2017, 10:11:18 AM
stay on f4's or support the little guys and get a pair of sml.s?

SMLs are good (I found them grippy and slower than say, STFs or F4s), Waywards are good (they feel exactly like F4s to me, except less slippery on the 101s), the smaller brands are made in the same places as the bigger wheel cos (except Bones and Spit since they are proprietary), Just like Autobahn (RIP) was.
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Post by: gumi on November 30, 2017, 10:31:38 AM
Waywards are fuckin rad wheels, you won't be disappointed
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Post by: Silky Johnson on November 30, 2017, 03:56:51 PM
Been on the F4 train for a few years now but just pulled the trigger on some 101a OJ insanethanes, for $20 bucks. Pretty excited to see how they skate
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 30, 2017, 04:28:23 PM
Okay thank you people were asking
k (I still don't have an idea what you're talking about though)

SMLs are good (I found them grippy and slower than say, STFs or F4s), Waywards are good (they feel exactly like F4s to me, except less slippery on the 101s),
hmmm maybe I shouldn't make the switch then. I'm on a set of radial slims that I've had for a year and they are still going strong
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Post by: chodekaka on November 30, 2017, 05:58:15 PM
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SMLs are good (I found them grippy and slower than say, STFs or F4s), Waywards are good (they feel exactly like F4s to me, except less slippery on the 101s),
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hmmm maybe I shouldn't make the switch then. I'm on a set of radial slims that I've had for a year and they are still going strong
Are you from Australia? Baskwith is a skater from Australia. For some reason I seem to think you are from Australia.  Wondering if you knew him.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 30, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
I'm an Aussie but haven't lived there for over 10 years now...
which state is he from?
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Post by: chodekaka on November 30, 2017, 09:16:31 PM
I'm an Aussie but haven't lived there for over 10 years now...
which state is he from?
I believe it would be Victoria, near Melbourne sort of. I skated a place called noble park and some park in dandenong with him a few times but this was years ago I can’t remember very well. He was on flow for folklore, or maybe it was called fibretech? He posted some vids on YouTube of skating before it was big but then stopped and said he might have brain cancer or something. Then fell off and we lost contact. I’m from Canada so I have no idea if he is still alive or what happened to him. Definitely was a stupid question and a shot in the dark that you would know of him.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 30, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
hahaha no I'm a Sydney boy but there are some VIC boys that post on here (RIP Jedi), maybe post in here?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=96782.0
lots of knowledgeable heads in that thread
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Post by: rob on December 01, 2017, 12:13:12 AM
Mini logo wheels are id say exactly bones 100 they feel super smooth and soft but can slide if you really need to but not as good as f4 or stf, in my opinion definitely better than spit classics and like someone said half of the wheels on the market but in the end if you want more slide and don’t care for speed or smoothness f4 are very slippery and board feel wheels

I prefer stf’s cause they’re smoother and faster and still slide well, not as good as f4 but I don’t slide everywhere I go like the crazy hip kids
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Post by: Sandboxcop on December 02, 2017, 02:26:46 PM
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Okay thank you people were asking
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SMLs are good (I found them grippy and slower than say, STFs or F4s), Waywards are good (they feel exactly like F4s to me, except less slippery on the 101s),
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hmmm maybe I shouldn't make the switch then. I'm on a set of radial slims that I've had for a year and they are still going strong

Just started running the SML AG formula, definitely slower than any higher end spits, more controlled slide for me personally though. On my cruiser I have the V cut replacing Syvanen Oj's and they're way faster than the OJ's. Can't comment on slide yet
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Post by: Xen on December 03, 2017, 02:06:12 PM
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SMLs are good (I found them grippy and slower than say, STFs or F4s), Waywards are good (they feel exactly like F4s to me, except less slippery on the 101s),
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hmmm maybe I shouldn't make the switch then. I'm on a set of radial slims that I've had for a year and they are still going strong
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Just started running the SML AG formula, definitely slower than any higher end spits, more controlled slide for me personally though. On my cruiser I have the V cut replacing Syvanen Oj's and they're way faster than the OJ's. Can't comment on slide yet

Yeah, you are running the regular OJ(III) urethane, slow and squishy; the SMLswould run circles around them...BUT, those regular OJs are great for regular/fucked up terrain.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 03, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Just started running the SML AG formula, definitely slower than any higher end spits, more controlled slide for me personally though. On my cruiser I have the V cut replacing Syvanen Oj's and they're way faster than the OJ's. Can't comment on slide yet
cheers for that. after going for another roll yesterday I'm pretty convinced that I have to stay on F4s forever now, not really a problem per se but I did want to support James after seeing his 9 club ep
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Post by: Silky Johnson on December 03, 2017, 05:25:48 PM
Gave my 101a insaneathanes a go and I'm really stoked on them, kinda slippery at the start especially coming off of skating 99a f4s but I adjusted eventually and got some fun curb tricks.
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Post by: TheVisitor on December 05, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
What is the optimal wheel size/hardness for street skating crusty ass spots. I'm skating some 49mm right now but they aren't cutting it on regular asphalt or anything that isn't smooth skatepark surface. Losing too much speed despite the fact that I'm running Bones Swiss. I was thinking 52/53mm with 99A hardness would be good?

Always wondered what size wheels those GX1000 and LurkNYC dudes rode. Same thing with Palace, I know some of those London spots are crusty as fuck.
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Post by: Jared on December 05, 2017, 09:48:30 PM
What is the optimal wheel size/hardness for street skating crusty ass spots. I'm skating some 49mm right now but they aren't cutting it on regular asphalt or anything that isn't smooth skatepark surface. Losing too much speed despite the fact that I'm running Bones Swiss. I was thinking 52/53mm with 99A hardness would be good?

Always wondered what size wheels those GX1000 and LurkNYC dudes rode. Same thing with Palace, I know some of those London spots are crusty as fuck.
I definitely suggest sizing up, you'll have a lot more fun skating with a bigger wheel(imo). I'd suggest taking it up to a 53/54. If you're skating suuuuper crusty shit I'd suggest 101a but 99a should do just fine.
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Post by: tzhangdox on December 05, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
What is the optimal wheel size/hardness for street skating crusty ass spots. I'm skating some 49mm right now but they aren't cutting it on regular asphalt or anything that isn't smooth skatepark surface. Losing too much speed despite the fact that I'm running Bones Swiss. I was thinking 52/53mm with 99A hardness would be good?

Always wondered what size wheels those GX1000 and LurkNYC dudes rode. Same thing with Palace, I know some of those London spots are crusty as fuck.

I used to skate wheels in the 52mm range and would prefer it best when it was about 50mm due to the lower center of gravity. I definitely prefer the 54-55mm range now. So much nicer on shitty ground and you keep your speed better. As far as hardness goes, I think the hardness of 99a f4s is ideal, 101s are a bit too jarring on rough ground imo. But wheels have different formulas so hardness and how a wheel handles shit ground varies between different wheels even if they have the same durometer so keep that in mind.
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Post by: rob on December 05, 2017, 10:16:24 PM
What is the optimal wheel size/hardness for street skating crusty ass spots. I'm skating some 49mm right now but they aren't cutting it on regular asphalt or anything that isn't smooth skatepark surface. Losing too much speed despite the fact that I'm running Bones Swiss. I was thinking 52/53mm with 99A hardness would be good?

Always wondered what size wheels those GX1000 and LurkNYC dudes rode. Same thing with Palace, I know some of those London spots are crusty as fuck.

It may sound off but definitely some 53/54 bones stf, the formula is great against crusty terrain and getting and holding speed, so far from my experience(2/3 years of at least 4/5 sets of formula fours in all the major shapes) formula fours are just good for sliding and that’s it, speed and rebound definitely goto bones stf.

I skate long distances and I use to think bones were plasticy and hard but skating these distances got me curious and I swapped wheels to wheels(spitfire f4, classics, gold, pig, oj classic and insane a thane, bones and mini logo) and so far bones stf took rough road and held its speed and retained it even better on smooth sidewalk.

Bones has been making wheels since the beginning and they made the perfect street wheel, it’s half smooth like a cruiser wheel but still hard enough to slide like a street wheel
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Post by: tzhangdox on December 05, 2017, 10:36:27 PM
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Always wondered what size wheels those GX1000 and LurkNYC dudes rode. Same thing with Palace, I know some of those London spots are crusty as fuck.
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It may sound off but definitely some 53/54 bones stf, the formula is great against crusty terrain and getting and holding speed, so far from my experience(2/3 years of at least 4/5 sets of formula fours in all the major shapes) formula fours are just good for sliding and that’s it, speed and rebound definitely goto bones stf.

I skate long distances and I use to think bones were plasticy and hard but skating these distances got me curious and I swapped wheels to wheels(spitfire f4, classics, gold, pig, oj classic and insane a thane, bones and mini logo) and so far bones stf took rough road and held its speed and retained it even better on smooth sidewalk.

Bones has been making wheels since the beginning and they made the perfect street wheel, it’s half smooth like a cruiser wheel but still hard enough to slide like a street wheel

I agree with the sentiment that bones stfs are more forgiving on rough terrain, they almost feel soft(perhaps absorbent is a better word to describe it... idk), though they're obviously not as they're 83b. I also actually prefer the slide of stfs over 99 f4s too, the screech is less high pitched and feels more controllable to me. Just not a fan of how plasticky they feel, despite their performance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 05, 2017, 11:06:52 PM
Want to try something other than f4s and stf variants. Had ricta nrgs once and while they were fast wasn't a fan of how they slid, similar story with autobahns.

Thinking about getting either oj insaneathanes, smls, waywards(99 or 101 not sure yet), or crupies. Anyone have any input on those options or have any other suggestions? Ideally something that stays white, holds speed well and slides on ledges good but is also forgiving on shit ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on December 05, 2017, 11:12:30 PM
Been skating Prize Fighter Cutlery 54mm on the rough ground of the Pacific Northwest. They are 101s but don't rattle your bones like some others do. They slide great and grip when you need them to. I put them up there with F4s but I'm a little biased.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on December 06, 2017, 01:28:47 AM
Want to try something other than f4s and stf variants. Had ricta nrgs once and while they were fast wasn't a fan of how they slid, similar story with autobahns.

Thinking about getting either oj insaneathanes, smls, waywards(99 or 101 not sure yet), or crupies. Anyone have any input on those options or have any other suggestions? Ideally something that stays white, holds speed well and slides on ledges good but is also forgiving on shit ground.

I skated only Bones STF for long time. Recently tried Crupies and I was so impressed with them that I bought couple more sets during Black Friday sales.
Great wheels at great price. They are almost two times cheaper and they are on par with STF (haven't tried F4 yet). Slide well, fast and durable.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on December 06, 2017, 04:24:12 PM
I would recommend Wayward 101s to anyone looking to try  something new. I’m on my third set in a row and I really like them. They seem hard and plasticky for the first couple sessions but once they are broken in they grip really well and keep their slide. I’ve been skating the round slims on street and at skateparks and the only time I’ve slipped out was on the first day of one set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 06, 2017, 05:25:23 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys, how would you guys say the wayward 101s and crupies compare to 99 or 101 f4s and stfs in terms of slide and grip?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 06, 2017, 05:47:37 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys, how would you guys say the wayward 101s and crupies compare to 99 or 101 f4s and stfs in terms of slide and grip?

Compared to F4’s I’d say that Crupies feel somewhere between their 99-101duros. They’re listed as 101’s but they’re not as slippery on smooth surfaces as F4 101’s, or as grippy/forgiving as the 99’s. It’s a really good balance tho. Grinds, powerslides, and tricks that revert across the ground feel great and have a nice squeal to them. Their team is sick too I think they just put Yuri Facchini too. Excellent street wheels and they’re usually a couple dollars cheaper than the competitors as well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2017, 05:55:35 PM
How do crupies feel in park? Both F4s and waywards feel slow to me (compared to say, OJ insanes, Spfs and RICTA. I'd love to support another small company.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 06, 2017, 08:31:13 PM
Thanks guys, just pulled the trigger on some 53mm team logo crupies(the 5 pack), wish my local shop had a bigger range so I could check them out in person and cop. They seem like a slim-ish classic shape. Should be interesting transitioning from my 55mm 99a lock ins which are a little wide for my liking.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sandboxcop on December 07, 2017, 04:26:10 PM
Just got in some PFC 53's, can't wait to see how they operate
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on December 08, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
Always wanted to try PFC. got really worried when they didn't have a drop for a year or so. Down to support Ray though especially after his 500 F episode. Let me know what you think please..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SJ on December 08, 2017, 09:22:22 PM
Has anybody tried the 81b SPFs and if so how do they fare?

My go to wheel for smooth concrete bowls are the 84b SPFs 60mm but whenever I go to a really weathered or spraypainted bowl it feels like I'm skating on ice and it's super slippery so I usually end up switching to 99a conical full formula fours in those instances. The 81B SPFs sound like they would work pretty good for rough bowls but has anybody here had any experience with them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 08, 2017, 11:46:34 PM
How are crupie compared to bones stf?

I feel like they would be like an stf just less plastic feeling and more urethane wheel feeling like a spit classic but obviously better
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on December 09, 2017, 01:15:58 AM
How are crupie compared to bones stf?

I feel like they would be like an stf just less plastic feeling and more urethane wheel feeling like a spit classic but obviously better

Spot on.
I was bones stf guy for longest time but crupies are really on par with them costing way less.
Spots I skate are mostly smooth euro plaza stuff or some rough asphalt spots and crupies are great in both cases. Slide well and are durable.
Great quality wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 10, 2017, 09:39:55 AM
Has anybody tried the 81b SPFs and if so how do they fare?

My go to wheel for smooth concrete bowls are the 84b SPFs 60mm but whenever I go to a really weathered or spraypainted bowl it feels like I'm skating on ice and it's super slippery so I usually end up switching to 99a conical full formula fours in those instances. The 81B SPFs sound like they would work pretty good for rough bowls but has anybody here had any experience with them?

Yah....I think these would be sick....I have a set and I use them for skating just around my house/rougher street....

They feel a bit sticky and dampening....they take the edge off a bit of rougher spots...

I was a big fan of the ditchtech and emailed Powell about it....I think they may look at pushing the hardness up on the rough riders to something which is more conventional....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Willie on December 10, 2017, 02:50:12 PM
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Has anybody tried the 81b SPFs and if so how do they fare?

My go to wheel for smooth concrete bowls are the 84b SPFs 60mm but whenever I go to a really weathered or spraypainted bowl it feels like I'm skating on ice and it's super slippery so I usually end up switching to 99a conical full formula fours in those instances. The 81B SPFs sound like they would work pretty good for rough bowls but has anybody here had any experience with them?
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Yah....I think these would be sick....I have a set and I use them for skating just around my house/rougher street....

They feel a bit sticky and dampening....they take the edge off a bit of rougher spots...

I was a big fan of the ditchtech and emailed Powell about it....I think they may look at pushing the hardness up on the rough riders to something which is more conventional....

I had 2 sets of Ditch Techs and the 2nd ones just felt way too soft. They may have been slightly wider as well but either way they felt dull and bouncy. Were they 81b?

Didn't know they had a new durometer of SPFs. I don't like the normal ones on my crusty, painted park surface - it feels like they are going to slip out at any moment.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 10, 2017, 06:30:17 PM
Ditch tech was way softer I'm pretty sure....they were like a 90 something A where the 81's are a 101.

I always found SPF's to be sticky....I skate the regular ones on a slippery ramp and they are great.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 12, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
Ditch tech was way softer I'm pretty sure....they were like a 90 something A where the 81's are a 101.

I always found SPF's to be sticky....I skate the regular ones on a slippery ramp and they are great.
I have had multiple sets of STGs and they are icy. However my friend has SPFs and I agree that thy are pretty damn sticky which is weird because they are even harder than STFs. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 12, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
Yah...that's the phenomenon part.....the stickiness makes them feel softer too which is nuts....

I think another option if everything I've said makes no sense is drop to a 97A in like NHS product or a 99 formula 1....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Thomas on December 13, 2017, 03:58:23 AM
Are Conical F4 similar to Bones STF V5 in term of size ?
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Post by: Xen on December 13, 2017, 06:23:49 AM
Are Conical F4 similar to Bones STF V5 in term of size ?

Conicals are a bit wider at the same height.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 13, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
Gave my 101a insaneathanes a go and I'm really stoked on them, kinda slippery at the start especially coming off of skating 99a f4s but I adjusted eventually and got some fun curb tricks.
I got the classic shaped ones and honestly, they'll be like that for a bit then suck at sliding
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Silky Johnson on December 13, 2017, 02:19:36 PM
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Gave my 101a insaneathanes a go and I'm really stoked on them, kinda slippery at the start especially coming off of skating 99a f4s but I adjusted eventually and got some fun curb tricks.
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I got the classic shaped ones and honestly, they'll be like that for a bit then suck at sliding
Damn well I'll enjoy them for now I guess, but no complaints for a wheel I picked up for $20
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nallid on December 14, 2017, 09:27:41 PM
I bought Crupies. 53 Sarmientos, they were like $22. Am I going to slip out and die tomorrow?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 15, 2017, 03:45:49 PM
Skated my crupies a few times, not too impressed right now to be honest. Maybe it will be better when the tread goes away though. Slide feels nice on the right asphalt, but some concrete sidewalks it almost doesnt slide at all. Definitely a bit unpredictable. Breaking into the slide is also a bit inconsistent. I got the apex logo 5 pack, 53mm and they are ridiculously slim. The riding surface is exactly half the riding surface on my 55mm lock ins which I was skating prior to this, also significantly slimmer than 54mm f4 classics. As a result, you can definitely feel it struggling on shitty ground, loses speed easily. Feels amazing on smooth park ground though. Really hoping the slide becomes better once the tread wears away.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 15, 2017, 05:08:28 PM
Yeah I know what you mean about the tread, they definitely slide better once it’s worn down. I grabbed the Ribeiro & Tiago wheels not only cuz they’re some of favorite pros but because their particular models also have a wider riding surface than the “team” wheels by a couple millimeters or so. They have measurements listed on their site when you go to shop so I’d use that as a guide before buying some
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 15, 2017, 10:02:22 PM
all ive skated are f4's since 2013.. i can't imagine ever wanting to try anything else  :-X
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 16, 2017, 01:55:17 AM
all ive skated are f4's since 2013.. i can't imagine ever wanting to try anything else  :-X

That’s what I thought too when I first got a set from jim himself but sadly 5 sets later I realized how slow and jittery f4’s are compared to bones stf, the stf are faster, retain speed better, and rebound better and definitely way smoother

So glad to hear more about crupie cause I was in such a rut thinking about them and if I should try them and now I know I’m just gonna stick to my bones until they possibly restock on wreck at some point
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2017, 10:41:08 AM
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all ive skated are f4's since 2013.. i can't imagine ever wanting to try anything else  :-X
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That’s what I thought too when I first got a set from jim himself but sadly 5 sets later I realized how slow and jittery f4’s are compared to bones stf, the stf are faster, retain speed better, and rebound better and definitely way smoother

So glad to hear more about crupie cause I was in such a rut thinking about them and if I should try them and now I know I’m just gonna stick to my bones until they possibly restock on wreck at some point

I feel like this is troll bait :)

Wrecks just take too much effort to slide, otherwise decent (I was a fan).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nsskater1993 on December 18, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
Hey Slap!

Thinking about ordering some new wheels for Christmas. Basically I have the option of some spitfire f4 classic shapes (99s or 101) for 45$ CAD Some OJ ez edge insaneathane team rider 101a 54mm for 31$ CAD Or some Bones STF for 31-35$ CAD.

The fact that I've already tried stf's and f4's has me leaning towards the OJ's to try something new. I really like F4's, and find their slide and feel to be really nice. I could also satisfy my want to try something new by trying a different duro of spits (my first set was 99a, could switch it up to 101's) or a different shape of STF's (first set was the V1, have the option to buy some v2's) although I'm sure the difference isn't very big.

I was hoping some of you could help me make a decision, as I'm not sure what to go for. The OJ's and Bones are cheaper, so if I liked them I'd be saving some coin. I am really used to the f4's though, and I don't know if I should stray away from the tried and true. Anybody with experience on OJ's insaneathane able to weigh in on this situation? any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gino's Back 180 Nosegrind on December 18, 2017, 06:04:33 PM
Hey Slap!

Thinking about ordering some new wheels for Christmas. Basically I have the option of some spitfire f4 classic shapes (99s or 101) for 45$ CAD Some OJ ez edge insaneathane team rider 101a 54mm for 31$ CAD Or some Bones STF for 31-35$ CAD.

The fact that I've already tried stf's and f4's has me leaning towards the OJ's to try something new. I really like F4's, and find their slide and feel to be really nice. I could also satisfy my want to try something new by trying a different duro of spits (my first set was 99a, could switch it up to 101's) or a different shape of STF's (first set was the V1, have the option to buy some v2's) although I'm sure the difference isn't very big.

I was hoping some of you could help me make a decision, as I'm not sure what to go for. The OJ's and Bones are cheaper, so if I liked them I'd be saving some coin. I am really used to the f4's though, and I don't know if I should stray away from the tried and true. Anybody with experience on OJ's insaneathane able to weigh in on this situation? any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.

If you have absolutely no complaints with F4's you probably won't find a better wheel. I've had all 3. Bones are too slide-y for me and insaneathanes were chalky and didn't slide enough. F4's are perfect for me. I ride 99a 54mm and try to skate as much street as I can.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 18, 2017, 06:26:15 PM
Don’t get oj, they feel good and smooth like a bones stf but they are slow as balls! Literally so slow it’s sad such a cool wheel brand has such trash wheels.

Seriously if your going for a trick up a bank your not gonna make it unless you push hard

Nah no troll bait, I wanna try wreck with all their comparisons and claims being the worlds best urethane and backed by years of experience with darkstars famous urethane formulas, they look like a more slidy stf but hopefully we’ll see
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2017, 07:49:23 PM
Don’t get oj, they feel good and smooth like a bones stf but they are slow as balls! Literally so slow it’s sad such a cool wheel brand has such trash wheels.

Seriously if your going for a trick up a bank your not gonna make it unless you push hard

Nah no troll bait, I wanna try wreck with all their comparisons and claims being the worlds best urethane and backed by years of experience with darkstars famous urethane formulas, they look like a more slidy stf but hopefully we’ll see

OJ Insane a thane is awesome, way better than regular OJ thane.

Wrecks are NOT a more slidy STF, quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nsskater1993 on December 18, 2017, 08:27:58 PM
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Don’t get oj, they feel good and smooth like a bones stf but they are slow as balls! Literally so slow it’s sad such a cool wheel brand has such trash wheels.

Seriously if your going for a trick up a bank your not gonna make it unless you push hard

Nah no troll bait, I wanna try wreck with all their comparisons and claims being the worlds best urethane and backed by years of experience with darkstars famous urethane formulas, they look like a more slidy stf but hopefully we’ll see
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OJ Insane a thane is awesome, way better than regular OJ thane.

Wrecks are NOT a more slidy STF, quite the opposite.

Haha this is why I had to ask! I noticed a lot of differing opinions around the net, and don't really know enough people with experience on OJ's to ask anyone personally. For every two or three people that say oj's wheels suck I see someone saying that the insaneathane's are pretty good. Any word on how you'd compare them to F4's? I really want to give them a shot, I know they back some rad skaters and have a pretty big history in the industry. Just not sure if that's worth ditching what I know I like. The madness is real..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 18, 2017, 09:49:45 PM
Sorry xen but ima have to disagree with the oj still, I have the insane a thane 99 and I liked them until I noticed how slow they are

Stay safe and get f4 or stf, my preference is stf because they’re just overall good on speed, rebound, and slide.

F4 are like I said really slidy but speed and rebound I did not like

I skate street 99% of the time btw, not really or ever been a park monger
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2017, 10:16:53 PM
Sorry xen but ima have to disagree with the oj still, I have the insane a thane 99 and I liked them until I noticed how slow they are

Stay safe and get f4 or stf, my preference is stf because they’re just overall good on speed, rebound, and slide.

F4 are like I said really slidy but speed and rebound I did not like

I skate street 99% of the time btw, not really or ever been a park monger

I too, have ridden them all.

Enjoy those wrecks, maybe you can set them up on your Industrials?  :o





Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Trashcon on December 18, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Been riding Ricta 51 Speed Rings for a while now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 18, 2017, 11:08:07 PM
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Sorry xen but ima have to disagree with the oj still, I have the insane a thane 99 and I liked them until I noticed how slow they are

Stay safe and get f4 or stf, my preference is stf because they’re just overall good on speed, rebound, and slide.

F4 are like I said really slidy but speed and rebound I did not like

I skate street 99% of the time btw, not really or ever been a park monger
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I too, have ridden them all.

Enjoy those wrecks, maybe you can set them up on your Industrials?  :o

Haha I was thinking to try some since they’re so cheap too but they just look like a Indy stage 10 knock off so meh maybe one day
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on December 19, 2017, 07:25:26 AM
Been riding Ricta 51 Speed Rings for a while now.

What do you think? I had a pair, then bought some bones spf, and liked the speed rings better, then bought another pair, then bought f4's.

I liked the speed rings better both times but gave them away. I can't find them anymore so now I bought some ricta 101a naturals
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 19, 2017, 02:31:37 PM
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Been riding Ricta 51 Speed Rings for a while now.
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What do you think? I had a pair, then bought some bones spf, and liked the speed rings better, then bought another pair, then bought f4's.

I liked the speed rings better both times but gave them away. I can't find them anymore so now I bought some ricta 101a naturals

I loved me some speed rings, had better thane than the chrome cores, but they flatted easy in parks. Been wanting to snag some naturals but they are much too wide for my liking.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on December 22, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Can wheels spoil? Eyeing off some autobahns atm that I am certain have been sitting in a cabinet for at least 5 years
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nopes on December 22, 2017, 04:48:01 PM
shit i hope not because i have 3 sets of 15 year old autobahns still in shrink wrap sitting in my basement.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 22, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
How long is urethane supposed to stay stable and fresh?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on December 22, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
I thought you were suppose to keep them in the freezer so they won’t spoil
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 22, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
Spitfires turn into rocks when they get old. What happens to bones when they're past the expiration date?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deekay on December 23, 2017, 05:44:49 AM
I can only speak for Spits but if you go from a newer set of wheels to a set that's been sititing a while.. You'll think you put clay on there instead of wheels, so goddamn slow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 23, 2017, 06:10:08 AM
updated review on my g slides.  -they are cool.  They aren't too boingee but there's no way to really slide them.  I think longboarders can slide them but I can't.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 23, 2017, 08:25:43 AM
updated review on my g slides.  -they are cool.  They aren't too boingee but there's no way to really slide them.  I think longboarders can slide them but I can't.

Longboarders could slide a 50a wheel..

Skateboarders complain that 101a's are too sticky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Budgie Lasek on December 23, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
Don’t get oj, they feel good and smooth like a bones stf but they are slow as balls! Literally so slow it’s sad such a cool wheel brand has such trash wheels.

Seriously if your going for a trick up a bank your not gonna make it unless you push hard

Nah no troll bait, I wanna try wreck with all their comparisons and claims being the worlds best urethane and backed by years of experience with darkstars famous urethane formulas, they look like a more slidy stf but hopefully we’ll see

Regular OJ's are the standard Creative Urethanes compound that is used for a lot of brands. It's garbage. Slow, flatspots very easily, and yellows fast. When I worked in distribution it seemed like any random company who wanted some wheels got them made there, and they always sucked. Momentum used them for years, maybe they still do.

Spitfire F4s are ok, but I can't get down with brand new wheels looking like they're 3 years old and yellowed to shit... and they aren't quite on the quality level of Bones. I rode a few pairs, still flat spotted them, and was happy to get back on STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 23, 2017, 12:12:57 PM
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Don’t get oj, they feel good and smooth like a bones stf but they are slow as balls! Literally so slow it’s sad such a cool wheel brand has such trash wheels.

Seriously if your going for a trick up a bank your not gonna make it unless you push hard

Nah no troll bait, I wanna try wreck with all their comparisons and claims being the worlds best urethane and backed by years of experience with darkstars famous urethane formulas, they look like a more slidy stf but hopefully we’ll see
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Regular OJ's are the standard Creative Urethanes compound that is used for a lot of brands. It's garbage. Slow, flatspots very easily, and yellows fast. When I worked in distribution it seemed like any random company who wanted some wheels got them made there, and they always sucked. Momentum used them for years, maybe they still do.

Spitfire F4s are ok, but I can't get down with brand new wheels looking like they're 3 years old and yellowed to shit... and they aren't quite on the quality level of Bones. I rode a few pairs, still flat spotted them, and was happy to get back on STFs.

This fits with a lot of peoples thinking. Bones doesn't need to put so much effort into advertising.. They've been working on their urethane for years, spits just barely figured out how to mix things right.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 23, 2017, 12:41:41 PM
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Don’t get oj, they feel good and smooth like a bones stf but they are slow as balls! Literally so slow it’s sad such a cool wheel brand has such trash wheels.

Seriously if your going for a trick up a bank your not gonna make it unless you push hard

Nah no troll bait, I wanna try wreck with all their comparisons and claims being the worlds best urethane and backed by years of experience with darkstars famous urethane formulas, they look like a more slidy stf but hopefully we’ll see
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Regular OJ's are the standard Creative Urethanes compound that is used for a lot of brands. It's garbage. Slow, flatspots very easily, and yellows fast. When I worked in distribution it seemed like any random company who wanted some wheels got them made there, and they always sucked. Momentum used them for years, maybe they still do.

Spitfire F4s are ok, but I can't get down with brand new wheels looking like they're 3 years old and yellowed to shit... and they aren't quite on the quality level of Bones. I rode a few pairs, still flat spotted them, and was happy to get back on STFs.
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This fits with a lot of peoples thinking. Bones doesn't need to put so much effort into advertising.. They've been working on their urethane for years, spits just barely figured out how to mix things right.

That’s what I’m sayin  ;D

And that’s why I wanna try wreck, chet Thomas who made them was doing darkstar wheels before and has 30 years of wheel making experience claims “the worlds best urethane” on these so let’s see if this is true but xen disagrees and he has tried them so idk

I really just love the way bones stf grips and rolls/feels like a soft wheel but still slide easier than the standard 99a even 101a wheels AND how they rebound, they don’t bounce and jitter like crazy on bad ground they’re like cruiser wheels almost and just roll through it as smooth as a street wheel could possibly

That was one of my biggest turn offs to f4 was the lack of speed/free roll(distance after pushing really) and resistance to harsh ground, slides better and feels like a real urethane wheel but not as fast and smooth as bones stf

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Budgie Lasek on December 23, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
I look at it like this - Spitfire is a 'cooler' brand with better art direction, marketing and team etc. Bones is Powell, so less cool points, but way more experience developing wheel compounds and pretty much all emphasis put on quality and innovation. The wheels are better, period. Spitfire could only get close by selling wheels that come already brown, and they don't have nearly the longevity that a pair of Bones does. I'm always amazed at how long I end up riding a set.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 23, 2017, 04:21:03 PM
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updated review on my g slides.  -they are cool.  They aren't too boingee but there's no way to really slide them.  I think longboarders can slide them but I can't.
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Longboarders could slide a 50a wheel..

Skateboarders complain that 101a's are too sticky.
  I'm starting to think hard skinny 62mms would be better for shitty ground than softer 56mms cause I could still slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on December 23, 2017, 04:24:24 PM
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updated review on my g slides.  -they are cool.  They aren't too boingee but there's no way to really slide them.  I think longboarders can slide them but I can't.
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Longboarders could slide a 50a wheel..

Skateboarders complain that 101a's are too sticky.
seriously. I bought some 86a wheels that are supposed to be amazing for slides but i couldn't slide them if my life depended on it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SJ on December 26, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
Has anybody tried Alta wheels? They have some heavy hitters on their team so I was wondering how the wheels perform for transition skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sandboxcop on December 27, 2017, 07:00:44 AM
Always wanted to try PFC. got really worried when they didn't have a drop for a year or so. Down to support Ray though especially after his 500 F episode. Let me know what you think please..

Only skated them for 2 sessions but I like them, I usually dont run 101's but they slid well and were faster than the sml's I had on. Nice and wide too if that's your bag
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 28, 2017, 02:42:29 PM
How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cherb on December 28, 2017, 03:01:26 PM
How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones
I believe people compare wayward to spitfire f4's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 28, 2017, 05:32:01 PM
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How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones
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I believe people compare wayward to spitfire f4's.

Yeah last I read it was mentioned they’re like between 99 and 101 f4 and I can tell they’re good maybe better than f4’s but I’m very fond of my bones and they way they feel and roll.

Really though for me it’s about speed and rebound than slide or much else, cause every wheel I’ve tried compared to bones stf feel so slow, 101 f4, 99 f4, even when I had 54mm radials(not the slim) still slow, oj insane a thane 99 I had high hopes but way slower even slower than f4, gold was basically a harder classic, pig we’re just rocks, spit classic are eh kinda slow, ricta NRG is a gimmick, and bones100/mini logo were ok but still not as fast and good roll time as stf

I kinda miss the feel of a more natural urethane but I can’t stand the lag
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on December 28, 2017, 09:37:03 PM
^ if you couldn’t get any of those wheels to “feel” fast, I’m pretty sure you just need to push harder. I just ordered some Powerflex 52mm Gumballs On tactics with the extra 10% off sale shit. Will keep you guys posted on how they are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 28, 2017, 10:03:56 PM
^ if you couldn’t get any of those wheels to “feel” fast, I’m pretty sure you just need to push harder. I just ordered some Powerflex 52mm Gumballs On tactics with the extra 10% off sale shit. Will keep you guys posted on how they are.

But how much energy should you waste with slow wheels to get a trick Especially up banks or over stuff, like for me it’s how much speed is loss on rough ground that ticks me and how much the wheels jitter as I set up
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 28, 2017, 11:09:27 PM
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^ if you couldn’t get any of those wheels to “feel” fast, I’m pretty sure you just need to push harder. I just ordered some Powerflex 52mm Gumballs On tactics with the extra 10% off sale shit. Will keep you guys posted on how they are.
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But how much energy should you waste with slow wheels to get a trick Especially up banks or over stuff, like for me it’s how much speed is loss on rough ground that ticks me and how much the wheels jitter as I set up

It might just be in my head, but I kind of agree that stfs hold their speed a little better. But how bad is the ground you skate? It really shouldn't be that much of a difference if nobody else has ever bought it up. If you skate really shitty ground then it might help more to get a wider wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 28, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
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^ if you couldn’t get any of those wheels to “feel” fast, I’m pretty sure you just need to push harder. I just ordered some Powerflex 52mm Gumballs On tactics with the extra 10% off sale shit. Will keep you guys posted on how they are.
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But how much energy should you waste with slow wheels to get a trick Especially up banks or over stuff, like for me it’s how much speed is loss on rough ground that ticks me and how much the wheels jitter as I set up
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It might just be in my head, but I kind of agree that stfs hold their speed a little better. But how bad is the ground you skate? It really shouldn't be that much of a difference if nobody else has ever bought it up. If you skate really shitty ground then it might help more to get a wider wheel.

Kinda bad, gets rough here and there half the time street skating spot to spot

They do retain speed, is not in your head cause I don’t drive much and everything is close to me even work is 20-30 min skating so I just skate while on my way to work and when I was getting wheel madness and swapping f4(different shapes and duro) and then even trying ricta nrg and oj insaneathane they did not even compare to how easy the ride was with my stf’s on

I regretted buying so many f4’s after realizing yeah the stf’s did have a moment of plastic feel compared to spits urethane feel but when you get use to it after 20 min of skating you feel how soft and nice stf’s actually are and how fast and long they roll for a street wheel

I tried wide wheels too and it didn’t do almost anything, f4 53mm conical full 101 and regular 54mm radial 99
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 28, 2017, 11:22:07 PM
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^ if you couldn’t get any of those wheels to “feel” fast, I’m pretty sure you just need to push harder. I just ordered some Powerflex 52mm Gumballs On tactics with the extra 10% off sale shit. Will keep you guys posted on how they are.
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But how much energy should you waste with slow wheels to get a trick Especially up banks or over stuff, like for me it’s how much speed is loss on rough ground that ticks me and how much the wheels jitter as I set up
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It might just be in my head, but I kind of agree that stfs hold their speed a little better. But how bad is the ground you skate? It really shouldn't be that much of a difference if nobody else has ever bought it up. If you skate really shitty ground then it might help more to get a wider wheel.
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Kinda bad, gets rough here and there half the time street skating spot to spot

They do retain speed, is not in your head cause I don’t drive much and everything is close to me even work is 20-30 min skating so I just skate while on my way to work and when I was getting wheel madness and swapping f4(different shapes and duro) and then even trying ricta nrg and oj insaneathane they did not even compare to how easy the ride was with my stf’s on

I regretted buying so many f4’s after realizing yeah the stf’s did have a moment of plastic feel compared to spits urethane feel but when you get use to it after 20 min of skating you feel how soft and nice stf’s actually are and how fast and long they roll for a street wheel

What stf shape do you skate? If the ground is really that bad then I feel like conical fulls should be okay, I don't think any stf gets that wide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 29, 2017, 01:03:39 AM
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^ if you couldn’t get any of those wheels to “feel” fast, I’m pretty sure you just need to push harder. I just ordered some Powerflex 52mm Gumballs On tactics with the extra 10% off sale shit. Will keep you guys posted on how they are.
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But how much energy should you waste with slow wheels to get a trick Especially up banks or over stuff, like for me it’s how much speed is loss on rough ground that ticks me and how much the wheels jitter as I set up
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It might just be in my head, but I kind of agree that stfs hold their speed a little better. But how bad is the ground you skate? It really shouldn't be that much of a difference if nobody else has ever bought it up. If you skate really shitty ground then it might help more to get a wider wheel.
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Kinda bad, gets rough here and there half the time street skating spot to spot

They do retain speed, is not in your head cause I don’t drive much and everything is close to me even work is 20-30 min skating so I just skate while on my way to work and when I was getting wheel madness and swapping f4(different shapes and duro) and then even trying ricta nrg and oj insaneathane they did not even compare to how easy the ride was with my stf’s on

I regretted buying so many f4’s after realizing yeah the stf’s did have a moment of plastic feel compared to spits urethane feel but when you get use to it after 20 min of skating you feel how soft and nice stf’s actually are and how fast and long they roll for a street wheel
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What stf shape do you skate? If the ground is really that bad then I feel like conical fulls should be okay, I don't think any stf gets that wide.

Tried them and they were still ass, especially for slides feeling sticky and when it slid it would slip

I mainly go for the middle ground v1 for size and weight. I had the widest v4 shape but they were kinda heavy

But yeah I usually go for the v1 might try v2 again for helping to lock in grinds

Tried v5 and same as f4 conicals, sticky
But the bones were faster
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: franquietits on December 29, 2017, 02:42:04 AM
^

(https://media.tenor.com/images/e3421e282465378a82920a55d5923f54/tenor.gif)

Yo, don't blame the wheels if you can't heelflip an 8 5!

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nallid on December 29, 2017, 10:39:10 AM
Jeezus.... Rob what do you do with all the gear you buy and hate?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 29, 2017, 02:41:41 PM
Jeezus.... Rob what do you do with all the gear you buy and hate?

Haha wait for lifetime or a&e channel to call me and let me get an episode on hoarders skater edition episode

But I plan to sell some here or eBay or where ever of it when I totally clear the madness from my mind cause I love the idea of Indy and it’s hype being all sk8 or die and thrash but they suck, 149 are alright but I can’t do chunky and heavy since I sized back down to 8/8.12
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on December 30, 2017, 05:46:30 PM
Damn this thread has me thinking about trying out some Crupies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 30, 2017, 07:43:39 PM
Damn this thread has me thinking about trying out some Crupies.

unless a super skinny wheel is your thing, make sure you buy the tiago model or whatever model is slightly wider. the team ones are insanely slim. also maybe its the slimness, but im not that hyped on mine, but they arent bad by any means.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on December 31, 2017, 04:45:36 PM
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Damn this thread has me thinking about trying out some Crupies.
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unless a super skinny wheel is your thing, make sure you buy the tiago model or whatever model is slightly wider. the team ones are insanely slim. also maybe its the slimness, but im not that hyped on mine, but they arent bad by any means.

I ended up picking up some Ribeiro 52mm ones that are a little bit wider than their other offerings for $12.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/i2nlzo.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on December 31, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
My first Crupies were those same Riberio wheels in 54mm, they're wider than the team ones. Great choice!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nallid on December 31, 2017, 05:14:01 PM
I ended up liking my Crupies. 53 Sarmiento, skinny, but same riding surface as my classics. They've been the first wheels I've had in a while where I just don't think about them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on December 31, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
I have those same ribeiro ones, but 53mm.
No flatspots, grippy enough, slide enough, fast. No complains whatsoever...
Really good wheels for a really good price (they were 30 euros when a spit or bones can be 50+), plus supporting that heavy brazilian squad.
I back them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on December 31, 2017, 08:18:51 PM
+1 on Crupie wheels. I've been skating the 52mm Cerezini and they're perfect. Love the shape and the 101 is a perfect mix of slide and grip. Little more slide than grip but still a great mix.

http://www.crupie.com/product/danny-cerezini-signature-wheels-aoki-geometric-copy/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 31, 2017, 09:35:51 PM
For all of you with crupies, do any of you have trouble sliding on relatively smooth(not skatepark smooth) concrete sidewalks? Mine slide well on ledges as well as roads and most street spots, but for some reason, on some surfaces similar to this, http://www.jcmillerconcrete.com/wp-content/gallery/stamped/stamped7.jpg they barely slide and when they do its an uncomfortable, soft feeling as opposed to the usual feeling when I slide on it with f4s, stfs, or even my 85a cruiser wheels. That's my biggest and only gripe with the formula. Unfortunately not having as good an experience as everyone else is on these wheels, due to this and the width. Maybe they need more time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 03, 2018, 10:16:36 AM
Has anyone tried crupie and wayward?

And which one did you prefer?

Wayward looks better quality and I’m thinking to try a set but all your guys crupie opinions are getting to me and they’re cheaper
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 03, 2018, 10:24:27 AM
Has anyone tried crupie and wayward?

And which one did you prefer?

Wayward looks better quality and I’m thinking to try a set but all your guys crupie opinions are getting to me and they’re cheaper

I bought a set of waywards, haven't skated them yet so don't know how they are in comparison. Also it might not be a fair test as the waywards are 101a 55mm round cut full(very wide) whereas the crupies are 53mm 101a slim.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on January 03, 2018, 01:59:04 PM
Anyone tried portland wheel co?

My OJ's are getting small and kinda sticky on powerslides
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on January 03, 2018, 04:12:27 PM
Has anyone tried crupie and wayward?

And which one did you prefer?

Wayward looks better quality and I’m thinking to try a set but all your guys crupie opinions are getting to me and they’re cheaper

Kinda wondering about Crupies since after Tactics sells the couple of sets it has left you'll have to go direct, which ends up making them about the same price as everything else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 12, 2018, 06:51:55 PM
What up skate psychos like myself

So I have been trying other wheels lately and got a set of wayward both 101 and 99 and I’m skating the 101 right now

But before that I was trying some wheels from aws, they’re called clone wheels and so far... they’re very legit!

Obviously being a bones stf backer I got the b-cell clone wheels by aws and they are nice, not as impervious as bones stf in all areas but very very close in my opinion

They feel sorta like if an stf mixed with a classic, the grip is good can’t guarantee easy slip out but better than f4. Slide wise they slide very nicely and easy but not slippery, sorta like an stf where it’s a  controlled slide but easier to get into right away. They’re thin like an stf v3 so eh to me cause i prefer a bit wider like a v1. But overall my consensus I suggest to try a set cause they’re actually good wheels, not bad at all and sad to say...

I think the aws wheels feel better than these wayward 101 I’m on right now, the wayward 101 in all honesty just feel like a very premium way better spit classic, it feels like a classic but rolls faster, and takes rough ground better and slide wise just a bit better

Idk maybe I haven’t “broken them in” but so far prettt average wheels, like I said they’re basically if you liked wheels like spit classics but hate flatspots and slowness. Wayward 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 12, 2018, 07:34:23 PM
^Interesting input. I quite like my Wayward 101s so far, nothing about them makes me go holy shit but theyre an all round solid wheel, but then again no wheel really does. The clones sound interesting to try, but it makes no sense to me why they rate some wheels with the B scale and other with the A scale, are they different formulae or just different hardness? Seems stupid to use two different scales.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 12, 2018, 07:37:21 PM
^Interesting input. I quite like my Wayward 101s so far, nothing about them makes me go holy shit but theyre an all round solid wheel, but then again no wheel really does. The clones sound interesting to try, but it makes no sense to me why they rate some wheels with the B scale and other with the A scale, are they different formulae or just different hardness? Seems stupid to use two different scales.

Supposedly formula, cause in the end the hardness rating is almost like Abec rating and it’s really just about the formula and quality of urethane/materials

Like these clones are just like an stf at 83b but you know, different formulas and all and same with f4 compared to other wheels

So yeah the scale is just for different formulas I guess
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 12, 2018, 08:20:07 PM
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^Interesting input. I quite like my Wayward 101s so far, nothing about them makes me go holy shit but theyre an all round solid wheel, but then again no wheel really does. The clones sound interesting to try, but it makes no sense to me why they rate some wheels with the B scale and other with the A scale, are they different formulae or just different hardness? Seems stupid to use two different scales.
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Supposedly formula, cause in the end the hardness rating is almost like Abec rating and it’s really just about the formula and quality of urethane/materials

Like these clones are just like an stf at 83b but you know, different formulas and all and same with f4 compared to other wheels

So yeah the scale is just for different formulas I guess

I see, it would make sense for them to elaborate on the differences between their different products though. Oh well. Definitely interested to try them in the future though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 12, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
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^Interesting input. I quite like my Wayward 101s so far, nothing about them makes me go holy shit but theyre an all round solid wheel, but then again no wheel really does. The clones sound interesting to try, but it makes no sense to me why they rate some wheels with the B scale and other with the A scale, are they different formulae or just different hardness? Seems stupid to use two different scales.
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Supposedly formula, cause in the end the hardness rating is almost like Abec rating and it’s really just about the formula and quality of urethane/materials

Like these clones are just like an stf at 83b but you know, different formulas and all and same with f4 compared to other wheels

So yeah the scale is just for different formulas I guess
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I see, it would make sense for them to elaborate on the differences between their different products though. Oh well. Definitely interested to try them in the future though.

I highly recommend if your looking for a good wheel besides my all timer bones stf, they kinda remind me of the first time trying f4 and feeling a revolutionary skate wheel formula, like you can’t describe all the feelings but it’s good all around

They feel good
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlfredIsShit on January 17, 2018, 11:26:44 AM
Hey guys, I'm looking at getting some new wheels since they're on sale.

My two options are Ricta Sparx 101a 52mm and OJ wheels from concentrate 101a 52mm.
The OJs have a 16.6mm contact patch, while the Rictas a 18.5mm contact patch.
Which one should I get? I only skate street (no skatepark in my town), some spots are slippery (underground concrete parking lots) while others are a bit rougher (asphalt/stone tiles).

Any feedback is nice
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on January 17, 2018, 11:41:37 AM
Hey guys, I'm looking at getting some new wheels since they're on sale.

My two options are Ricta Sparx 101a 52mm and OJ wheels from concentrate 101a 52mm.
The OJs have a 16.6mm contact patch, while the Rictas a 18.5mm contact patch.
Which one should I get? I only skate street (no skatepark in my town), some spots are slippery (underground concrete parking lots) while others are a bit rougher (asphalt/stone tiles).

Any feedback is nice
Spitfire formula four 99
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2018, 01:08:27 PM
Hey guys, I'm looking at getting some new wheels since they're on sale.

My two options are Ricta Sparx 101a 52mm and OJ wheels from concentrate 101a 52mm.
The OJs have a 16.6mm contact patch, while the Rictas a 18.5mm contact patch.
Which one should I get? I only skate street (no skatepark in my town), some spots are slippery (underground concrete parking lots) while others are a bit rougher (asphalt/stone tiles).

Any feedback is nice

Between those two options, the OJs.

Good sale here on wheels: https://shop.ccs.com/skateboards/skateboard-wheels?order=pricelow (https://shop.ccs.com/skateboards/skateboard-wheels?order=pricelow)

I'd snag some waywards if I were you, closet you will get to F4s (if you are skating some slippery stuff).
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 17, 2018, 04:47:26 PM
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Hey guys, I'm looking at getting some new wheels since they're on sale.

My two options are Ricta Sparx 101a 52mm and OJ wheels from concentrate 101a 52mm.
The OJs have a 16.6mm contact patch, while the Rictas a 18.5mm contact patch.
Which one should I get? I only skate street (no skatepark in my town), some spots are slippery (underground concrete parking lots) while others are a bit rougher (asphalt/stone tiles).

Any feedback is nice
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Spitfire formula four 99
↑ he's got a point
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 19, 2018, 12:17:23 PM
Anything but ricta!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 19, 2018, 02:39:56 PM
Anything but ricta!

I agree

Update on the wayward 99a tre najera

They’re smooth as fresh shaved ball sack

They slide like a spitfire classic so you need some power or speed

But best part, they are pretty fast combined with smooth they’re great, just wish they slid easier

The 101 were not that great though, maybe I just have an old formula
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Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 19, 2018, 05:25:27 PM
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Anything but ricta!
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I agree

Update on the wayward 99a tre najera

They’re smooth as fresh shaved ball sack

They slide like a spitfire classic so you need some power or speed

But best part, they are pretty fast combined with smooth they’re great, just wish they slid easier

The 101 were not that great though, maybe I just have an old formula

So bones stf still beats wayward eh? I keep getting tempted to try crupies, and others, but bones and spits just have formulas on lock.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 19, 2018, 05:38:28 PM
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Anything but ricta!
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I agree

Update on the wayward 99a tre najera

They’re smooth as fresh shaved ball sack

They slide like a spitfire classic so you need some power or speed

But best part, they are pretty fast combined with smooth they’re great, just wish they slid easier

The 101 were not that great though, maybe I just have an old formula
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So bones stf still beats wayward eh? I keep getting tempted to try crupies, and others, but bones and spits just have formulas on lock.

Still, id say bones stf, then alien workshop clones 83b(they feel like you take a spit classic and mix with an stf) then formula fours, then wayward/mini logo/bones 100, and maybe oj insane a thane but they were slow as snails so probably spit classics

That’s my experience so far

And yeah never ricta, the most Chinese manufacturing quality wheels ever, hard plastic and jittery
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 19, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
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I agree

Update on the wayward 99a tre najera

They’re smooth as fresh shaved ball sack

They slide like a spitfire classic so you need some power or speed

But best part, they are pretty fast combined with smooth they’re great, just wish they slid easier

The 101 were not that great though, maybe I just have an old formula
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So bones stf still beats wayward eh? I keep getting tempted to try crupies, and others, but bones and spits just have formulas on lock.
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Still, id say bones stf, then alien workshop clones 83b(they feel like you take a spit classic and mix with an stf) then formula fours, then wayward/mini logo/bones 100, and maybe oj insane a thane but they were slow as snails so probably spit classics

That’s my experience so far

And yeah never ricta, the most Chinese manufacturing quality wheels ever, hard plastic and jittery

I actually like how different stf and F4s are, I ride both these days. I'm not even sure a wheel could combine the best of both, it's two totally different feels.

If you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lame_Nigga on January 22, 2018, 08:37:54 AM
I need some quick advice: the city I live has some brutally rough streets so I'm looking for softer wheels. Is there really that much of a difference between 99a and 101? Those seem like the most common measurements. I was gonna drop down to 90a, Also, I was gonna switch from the standard wheel to wider ones, does that effect your tricks or is it all mental?
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Post by: Smartass on January 22, 2018, 08:53:39 AM
So bones stf still beats wayward eh? I keep getting tempted to try crupies, and others, but bones and spits just have formulas on lock.

Currently rocking Crupies on my main set up and 99 F4's on my back-up. I'm liking the Crupies more than the F4's right now. They feel gripper and seem to retain speed better than the F4's, but also still slide a little better. I'm going to give my back up a lot of use this week and see if I still feel the same.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on January 22, 2018, 08:55:26 AM
I need some quick advice: the city I live has some brutally rough streets so I'm looking for softer wheels. Is there really that much of a difference between 99a and 101? Those seem like the most common measurements. I was gonna drop down to 90a, Also, I was gonna switch from the standard wheel to wider ones, does that effect your tricks or is it all mental?

No. On rough streets both are really fucking rough. If you want a smoother ride, get 92A or softer. Softer wheels will be grippy though. 92A you can still slide, but for examples Keyframes, which are 87A are really difficult to slide. Otherwise they're perfect for rough streets though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on January 22, 2018, 09:09:58 AM
I need some quick advice: the city I live has some brutally rough streets so I'm looking for softer wheels. Is there really that much of a difference between 99a and 101? Those seem like the most common measurements. I was gonna drop down to 90a, Also, I was gonna switch from the standard wheel to wider ones, does that effect your tricks or is it all mental?

Depends what tricks you are talking about. I personally wouldn't want to do crooked grinds on anything much less than 99a. I don't think there's a magic bullet wheel for cruising crusty streets and skating spots so I would suggest just getting straight up cruiser wheels like bones rough riders and switching them out with something 99+ when you want to do tricks where your wheels rub.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 22, 2018, 09:57:52 AM
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I need some quick advice: the city I live has some brutally rough streets so I'm looking for softer wheels. Is there really that much of a difference between 99a and 101? Those seem like the most common measurements. I was gonna drop down to 90a, Also, I was gonna switch from the standard wheel to wider ones, does that effect your tricks or is it all mental?
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Depends what tricks you are talking about. I personally wouldn't want to do crooked grinds on anything much less than 99a. I don't think there's a magic bullet wheel for cruising crusty streets and skating spots so I would suggest just getting straight up cruiser wheels like bones rough riders and switching them out with something 99+ when you want to do tricks where your wheels rub.

This. The in-between duros (90-92a) suck, softies or street wheels, gotta make a choice. I skate a lot of janky spots, you get used to it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on January 24, 2018, 02:29:24 PM
I like the Powell G-slides - they power slide a little bit, but still handle gravel on my street smoothly. I use em for my tricky cruiser/curb crusher. For just speed, I still use my Danny Falla red/Stella PFCs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: agmccomb on January 31, 2018, 05:55:54 AM
Anyone know of a wheel slimmer or as slim as the Bones V3? The 50mm ones I skate are 28mm in width. I have had Autobahn slims which were 27mm width. I find the Bones lose their shape and generally wear down too fast for my liking but im currently out of options since it seems like Autobahn must be done.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 31, 2018, 05:59:06 AM
Anything but ricta!


when was the last time you had ricta?
ricta naturals > F4's any day.

just to elaborate. I have 99a 54 F4 slims. I blame my self for buying a wheel online, but they are not really slim, while they may have a narrower riding surface. the overall wheel was wider than my autobahns and rictas. They felt a little mushy to me, and did not slide as well as my rictas. The wheel is slower. My F4's running 6ball swiss, feel slower than my ricta's w/ mini logo bearings. So on christmas I got westgate naturals. They dont have that plastic feel that the cored ricta's are known for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 31, 2018, 06:49:30 AM
Anyone know of a wheel slimmer or as slim as the Bones V3? The 50mm ones I skate are 28mm in width. I have had Autobahn slims which were 27mm width. I find the Bones lose their shape and generally wear down too fast for my liking but im currently out of options since it seems like Autobahn must be done.

Ricta NRG Nyjah's are 52mm and 27.7 wide.  The NRG formula is awesome too

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/nyjah-huston-52mm-pro-design-99a-ricta-skateboard-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: agmccomb on January 31, 2018, 07:23:49 AM
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Anyone know of a wheel slimmer or as slim as the Bones V3? The 50mm ones I skate are 28mm in width. I have had Autobahn slims which were 27mm width. I find the Bones lose their shape and generally wear down too fast for my liking but im currently out of options since it seems like Autobahn must be done.
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Ricta NRG Nyjah's are 52mm and 27.7 wide.  The NRG formula is awesome too

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/nyjah-huston-52mm-pro-design-99a-ricta-skateboard-wheels

I’ll check out the rictas. Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on January 31, 2018, 07:42:49 AM
I was a ricta naturals guy for my first 10 years - they are not faster than f4s of any durometer/size.

edit: I'll fuckin race you!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2018, 10:53:09 AM
I was a ricta naturals guy for my first 10 years - they are not faster than f4s of any durometer/size.

edit: I'll fuckin race you!

When was the last time you rode set? Everyone uses different [marketing] formulas these days...the Ricta NRG, at 99a feel faster than F4s to me; I've ridden spits since they launched the OG classic but the F4s feel soft and sluggish to me compared to OJ insanes and Ricta NRGs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on February 02, 2018, 12:12:06 PM
Are there any wheels out there that are like the bones rough riders but not bouncy? i like to do tricks on my cruiser but the bones wheels i have are bouncy and it makes my tricks feel weird
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2018, 04:58:40 PM
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Anyone know of a wheel slimmer or as slim as the Bones V3? The 50mm ones I skate are 28mm in width. I have had Autobahn slims which were 27mm width. I find the Bones lose their shape and generally wear down too fast for my liking but im currently out of options since it seems like Autobahn must be done.
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Ricta NRG Nyjah's are 52mm and 27.7 wide.  The NRG formula is awesome too

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/nyjah-huston-52mm-pro-design-99a-ricta-skateboard-wheels
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I’ll check out the rictas. Thanks!

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ricta_Tommy_Sandoval_Pro_Naturals_99a_Wheels/descpage-RITSPWH.html

On sale to boot!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 03, 2018, 10:04:43 AM
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I was a ricta naturals guy for my first 10 years - they are not faster than f4s of any durometer/size.

edit: I'll fuckin race you!
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When was the last time you rode set? Everyone uses different [marketing] formulas these days...the Ricta NRG, at 99a feel faster than F4s to me; I've ridden spits since they launched the OG classic but the F4s feel soft and sluggish to me compared to OJ insanes and Ricta NRGs.

I'm gonna stop you right there, Insane-a-thane feels like skating chalk, are slower than f4s and are a major pain in the ass to powerslide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 03, 2018, 10:13:56 AM
Also F4s feel a lot different depending on the combo of size/shape/duro.

My 54 101 classics "feel" softer and somehow faster than my 57 99 conical fulls. Shits complicated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2018, 11:54:20 AM
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I was a ricta naturals guy for my first 10 years - they are not faster than f4s of any durometer/size.

edit: I'll fuckin race you!
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When was the last time you rode set? Everyone uses different [marketing] formulas these days...the Ricta NRG, at 99a feel faster than F4s to me; I've ridden spits since they launched the OG classic but the F4s feel soft and sluggish to me compared to OJ insanes and Ricta NRGs.
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I'm gonna stop you right there, Insane-a-thane feels like skating chalk, are slower than f4s and are a major pain in the ass to powerslide.

Not chalky at all, not even sure what that means...do they crumble or something? Have you actually had wheels made out of chalk? Do they leave chalk lines after you powersli...oh wait you can't  ::)

Like I said, they feel faster to me, especially in a park setting, on par with SPF / F4s feel soft and slow (but nice and grippy) in a park setting but perfectly acceptable on streets, especially shitty streets, great rebound.

Can't powersilde? Go faster?

I prefer hard as rocks wheels, which spits are not compared to SPFs, Rictas or Insanes...

But, FWIW, I'm curently riding F4s radial slims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on February 03, 2018, 01:03:25 PM
Anyone know of a wheel slimmer or as slim as the Bones V3? The 50mm ones I skate are 28mm in width. I have had Autobahn slims which were 27mm width. I find the Bones lose their shape and generally wear down too fast for my liking but im currently out of options since it seems like Autobahn must be done.

Not sure of the exact width but most of Crupie's are really slim.
Amazing value since the retail price is quite cheap and they feel as good or better than the big dogs. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 03, 2018, 01:04:48 PM
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Anyone know of a wheel slimmer or as slim as the Bones V3? The 50mm ones I skate are 28mm in width. I have had Autobahn slims which were 27mm width. I find the Bones lose their shape and generally wear down too fast for my liking but im currently out of options since it seems like Autobahn must be done.
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Not sure of the exact width but most of Crupie's are really slim.
Amazing value since the retail price is quite cheap and they feel as good or better than the big dogs.

This. The team crupies are stupid slim, couldn't deal with it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2018, 05:03:32 PM
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Anyone know of a wheel slimmer or as slim as the Bones V3? The 50mm ones I skate are 28mm in width. I have had Autobahn slims which were 27mm width. I find the Bones lose their shape and generally wear down too fast for my liking but im currently out of options since it seems like Autobahn must be done.
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Not sure of the exact width but most of Crupie's are really slim.
Amazing value since the retail price is quite cheap and they feel as good or better than the big dogs.
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This. The team crupies are stupid slim, couldn't deal with it.

The widest they seem to make is 31mm, most are 28/29mm - I might have to check some out!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on February 03, 2018, 07:22:33 PM
Are there any wheels out there that are like the bones rough riders but not bouncy? i like to do tricks on my cruiser but the bones wheels i have are bouncy and it makes my tricks feel weird

I would give the Powell G-Slides a shot, they aren't super bouncy because they are a little bit harder, but they are a real good cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on February 03, 2018, 11:10:22 PM
Fucked around with a bunch of stuff the last few months. Really liked waywards but they don’t last long enough. Tried Powerflex, they feel a little too plasticky but also felt like they didn’t give the way I wanted on powerslides, but I’m sure they’d last a while. Went back to 99 conicals the other day and even tho the first 180 powerslide I did felt wild. They dialed right back in and slid when I wanted and felt grippy enough on Black parking lot pavement. Taking them out tomorrow again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on February 06, 2018, 12:39:06 PM
Best wheels for shitty surfaces? Would it be a 99 FA or STF? I'm currently riding Insanathane's worn down to about 50mm so I realise sizing up to about a 54 would help a lot as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 06, 2018, 04:12:34 PM
Best wheels for shitty surfaces? Would it be a 99 FA or STF? I'm currently riding Insanathane's worn down to about 50mm so I realise sizing up to about a 54 would help a lot as well.

F4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 06, 2018, 04:14:42 PM
99a F4s are pretty soft feeling for a street wheel. I'd recommend the radials!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NJFly318 on February 06, 2018, 06:02:31 PM
99a F4s are pretty soft feeling for a street wheel. I'd recommend the radials!

I just bought a set yesterday, can't wait to try them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on February 06, 2018, 06:08:32 PM
Best wheels for shitty surfaces? Would it be a 99 FA or STF? I'm currently riding Insanathane's worn down to about 50mm so I realise sizing up to about a 54 would help a lot as well.

Stf are way smoother on rough surfaces and retain speed better too, f4 are still as good but not on rough ground
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 06, 2018, 06:18:05 PM
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Best wheels for shitty surfaces? Would it be a 99 FA or STF? I'm currently riding Insanathane's worn down to about 50mm so I realise sizing up to about a 54 would help a lot as well.
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Stf are way smoother on rough surfaces and retain speed better too, f4 are still as good but not on rough ground

As much as I like the feel of f4s over the plastickyness of stfs, I have to agree with this. Despite being a harder wheel, they almost feel softer than 99 f4s on shit ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 06, 2018, 11:25:39 PM
Want to pick up some Bones Rough Riders for a slappy/cruiser/trick set up but want to know what are the experiences you guys have had with them (Already running key frames on another set-up, but need some slide)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SJ on February 07, 2018, 12:02:16 AM
How do F4 Radial slims in 99 and 101 compare? Which one would be better for street?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 07, 2018, 12:06:50 AM
How do F4 Radial slims in 99 and 101 compare? Which one would be better for street?
I skate Bones stf’s but skated a set of F4’s in both duros and I prefer 101’s over 99’s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on February 07, 2018, 01:15:46 AM
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Best wheels for shitty surfaces? Would it be a 99 FA or STF? I'm currently riding Insanathane's worn down to about 50mm so I realise sizing up to about a 54 would help a lot as well.
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Stf are way smoother on rough surfaces and retain speed better too, f4 are still as good but not on rough ground
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As much as I like the feel of f4s over the plastickyness of stfs, I have to agree with this. Despite being a harder wheel, they almost feel softer than 99 f4s on shit ground.

Haha yeah same, I came back to f4 just cause of the feel

I still like bones and think they make the best wheels but idk spits just have this like board feel thing going on

Bones makes a better cruiser formula, street formula, park formula and pp standard formula(100’s) and you can’t go wrong but yeah spits add board feel how they roll against the streets

It’s weird

Also to the bones rough riders question, definitely bones atf formula beats all other cruiser wheels! My old Chris ray bones atf filmer wheels were faster than any cruiser wheel I’ve ever had or tried and they were classic shaped and shaved down to 51 still going fast and rolled over everything
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Turtle Boy on February 07, 2018, 03:56:38 AM
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Best wheels for shitty surfaces? Would it be a 99 FA or STF? I'm currently riding Insanathane's worn down to about 50mm so I realise sizing up to about a 54 would help a lot as well.
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Stf are way smoother on rough surfaces and retain speed better too, f4 are still as good but not on rough ground
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As much as I like the feel of f4s over the plastickyness of stfs, I have to agree with this. Despite being a harder wheel, they almost feel softer than 99 f4s on shit ground.
That's what I like about the STF formula, they are the most versatile wheel out in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nsskater1993 on February 08, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
the site that I was gonna order those new wheels from updated their stock with some even cheaper options, so I copped some f4 99 54mm and OJ Insaneathane's in 53. Get to try something new and stick with what's worked the best lately. Pretty pumped. Just thought I'd share this with my slap brethren since I asked y'all what to get earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 08, 2018, 06:38:28 PM
the site that I was gonna order those new wheels from updated their stock with some even cheaper options, so I copped some f4 99 54mm and OJ Insaneathane's in 53. Get to try something new and stick with what's worked the best lately. Pretty pumped. Just thought I'd share this with my slap brethren since I asked y'all what to get earlier in the thread.

Would appreciate a comparison, thank u!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on February 09, 2018, 01:08:38 AM
How do F4 Radial slims in 99 and 101 compare? Which one would be better for street?

If you skate in extremely cold environment get the 99's. Otherwise, 101's all day
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sedition on February 12, 2018, 07:26:27 PM
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How do F4 Radial slims in 99 and 101 compare? Which one would be better for street?
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If you skate in extremely cold environment get the 99's. Otherwise, 101's all day

I take the opposite approach. 99s are way better than 101. Better on slightly crusty pavement, and not too slick on ramp or “perfect” surface parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 12, 2018, 08:10:49 PM
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How do F4 Radial slims in 99 and 101 compare? Which one would be better for street?
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If you skate in extremely cold environment get the 99's. Otherwise, 101's all day
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I take the opposite approach. 99s are we better than 101. Better on slightly crusty pavement, and not too slick on ramp or “perfect” surface parks.

^this
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 12, 2018, 08:28:33 PM
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If you skate in extremely cold environment get the 99's. Otherwise, 101's all day
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I take the opposite approach. 99s are we better than 101. Better on slightly crusty pavement, and not too slick on ramp or “perfect” surface parks.
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^this

I stayed on 99s for a while, but I feel like the 101s are slightly faster, even if they're a little rougher.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 12, 2018, 08:53:15 PM
99s all day long!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sedition on February 12, 2018, 09:28:01 PM
Also, didn’t Schmitt once explaining how there is no such thing as durometer rating over 100?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jollyoli on February 13, 2018, 06:29:37 AM
Also, didn’t Schmitt once explaining how there is no such thing as durometer rating over 100?

Yes, he also mentioned it's hard to get people to change units of measurement. People know what 101a is going to be like but no idea what 83b means.

I'm paraphrasing, I don't even own a lab coat.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on February 13, 2018, 07:02:35 AM
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Also, didn’t Schmitt once explaining how there is no such thing as durometer rating over 100?
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I'm paraphrasing, I don't even own a lab coat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnHddsnWcnU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnHddsnWcnU)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 13, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
Also, didn’t Schmitt once explaining how there is no such thing as durometer rating over 100?

The Shore A scale for hardness only goes up to 100.  It is also inaccurate at the ends of the scale.  It really is a poor way to measure skate wheel hardness these days if you want accurate numbers.  That's why one companies 98 may be harder than another companies 100.

The B scale has a more useful durometer range, but it isn't what people are accustomed to.  If all companies went to B scale it would be less confusing, just like if the entire US switched to metric it would be less confusing.  Neither is going to happen.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sododgy on February 13, 2018, 04:13:13 PM
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The Shore A scale for hardness only goes up to 100.  It is also inaccurate at the ends of the scale.  It really is a poor way to measure skate wheel hardness these days if you want accurate numbers.  That's why one companies 98 may be harder than another companies 100.

The B scale has a more useful durometer range, but it isn't what people are accustomed to.  If all companies went to B scale it would be less confusing, just like if the entire US switched to metric it would be less confusing.  Neither is going to happen.

Time to form the Sk8 Summit to bring everyone together and tackle these issues.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Il Dio sotto la pelle on February 13, 2018, 04:40:54 PM
been riding 99a F4s for the longest, any recommendations for a softer, I guess "cruiser" wheel? I'm definitely not straying away from F4s, but I'm looking for something a little softer, but still has enough integrity to go decently fast and not feel "chalky" if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheVisitor on February 16, 2018, 11:08:47 PM
Has anyone got a chance to skate the Spitfire Formula 4 Lock Ins? Are they legit or just a gimmick? I don't know how I feel about just one side being cut straight and the other side being radial. I like to rotate my wheels every so often to insure even wear but it seems like rotating these would negate the 'lock in' feature since the radial side would now be on the inside of the trucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 17, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
Has anyone got a chance to skate the Spitfire Formula 4 Lock Ins? Are they legit or just a gimmick? I don't know how I feel about just one side being cut straight and the other side being radial. I like to rotate my wheels every so often to insure even wear but it seems like rotating these would negate the 'lock in' feature since the radial side would now be on the inside of the trucks.

I have a set of the 55mm 101s and they do what they claim.  I can consistently get a few feet longer on grinds with less effort.  I have only skated them at parks with coping or angle iron, or on ramps.   

Unfortunately,  I got a flat spot 30 minutes in with the while skating a masonite mini ramp. That's a bit of a bummer. It's my first experience with the 101 F4s. 

One thing I do notice is that they have a wider riding surface and so they are a bit slower, but you have to give something to get something. Forget rotating them.  I give the shape the thumbs up.

That said, I would like to see a slightly thinner version of them just because the riding surface is so wide they are heavier than the same size of another cut.  I think a thinner shape -and maybe a classic cut on the non lock-in side - would make them a bit faster and quicker to flip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on March 08, 2018, 09:57:52 AM
I saw in the Nyjah Thrasher some ad where it's someone airing out of a pool with OJ hot juice wheels (the 60mms), and I remember from a Winkowski interview that he packs several packs of those wheels with him on road trips.

I've used them as a cruiser wheel, but I really can't see any benefit to using them on transition - is there something I'm missing? They're like 78a and smush out pretty hard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 08, 2018, 10:14:32 AM
I saw in the Nyjah Thrasher some ad where it's someone airing out of a pool with OJ hot juice wheels (the 60mms), and I remember from a Winkowski interview that he packs several packs of those wheels with him on road trips.

I've used them as a cruiser wheel, but I really can't see any benefit to using them on transition - is there something I'm missing? They're like 78a and smush out pretty hard.

those are the same style of wheel dudes pioneered vert on.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 20, 2018, 01:47:07 PM
Spitfire is still made in the USA right? I just bought some OJs because they said USA MADE on them, but it turns out they're made in China.  It's not a big deal, I just like to buy stuff that doesn't travel half way around the world burning fossil fuels when I can.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nosneb on March 20, 2018, 01:56:45 PM
I believe they are made in SF just like Indy, Thunder, Venture.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 20, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
AB BiB?

Bunch of new AB wheels up...lots of 'widebody' wheels...

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Autobahn_Skateboard_Wheels/catpage-WHAUTOBAHN.html
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on March 20, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
How are autobanh compared to f4?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 20, 2018, 09:29:50 PM
How are autobanh compared to f4?

Tried skating a pair of the dual euro. They refuse to slide only came in a really slim shape and made overall unhappy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on March 21, 2018, 12:14:45 PM
The company is USA made, the wheels however are not made IN the USA
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 21, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
How are autobanh compared to f4?

I've always found them somewhat sticky. The 99s don't want to slide at all; I did enjoy the 101 slim shape tho but the wider 101s weren't as forgiving on slides. They've never felt like anything special to me, average wheels much like .sml and these dogtowns I'm riding, all made in the USA and presumably at the same factory as all three felt eerily similar, especially the .sml and dogtowns.

If you like F4s, chances are you won't like the ABs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 08:40:15 PM
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I've always found them somewhat sticky. The 99s don't want to slide at all; I did enjoy the 101 slim shape tho but the wider 101s weren't as forgiving on slides. They've never felt like anything special to me, average wheels much like .sml and these dogtowns I'm riding, all made in the USA and presumably at the same factory as all three felt eerily similar, especially the .sml and dogtowns.

If you like F4s, chances are you won't like the ABs.

Ohh, Forsure

I can’t remeber if it was mark appleyard talking about them that got me curious but yeah I kinda wanna see if there’s something special out there but eh
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on March 22, 2018, 08:34:59 AM
Spitfire is still made in the USA right? I just bought some OJs because they said USA MADE on them, but it turns out they're made in China.  It's not a big deal, I just like to buy stuff that doesn't travel half way around the world burning fossil fuels when I can.
Companies do not have production in China for quality. I try to never use any skate product that comes China.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on March 25, 2018, 03:09:31 AM
In reaction to the local bowls copping the anti graffiti paint, and becoming way too slick as a result, I changed it up from F4 99’s, which I have been running since they came on to the market, to powerflex. They seem pretty good, just as quick as F4’s, no flat spots so far, and a little bit grippier, which is what I wanted. Prolly not that great for street, with the extra grip being unwanted in that scenario, but good for tranny and park.

Edit: bombed a couple of hills today with these and holy hell you’d wanna pony up before you sesh slide them, they grip like crazy!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on March 31, 2018, 02:07:14 AM
I’ve been wondering but anyone got opinions on the f4 99 vs 101?

I’ve been skating the 99 always besides when I recently went back to bones stf and now back on the spits f4 cause yeah the bones are smoother, faster and roll over stuff better but they lack this feel being so impervious to the streets

So yeah, how are the f4 101 compared to the 99 besides that they slip out easier?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on March 31, 2018, 02:37:43 AM
They're a bit harder and and a bit less grippy. Otherwise they're exactly the same. For slippery indoor parks I prefer the 99, for skating outside the 101. For really rough streets (what 99% of streets are here) I prefer neither as they're way too slow for that, gotta use Keyframes or some other soft wheel to maintain any speed on these rough ass streets.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on March 31, 2018, 08:22:52 AM
In reaction to the local bowls copping the anti graffiti paint, and becoming way too slick as a result, I changed it up from F4 99’s, which I have been running since they came on to the market, to powerflex. They seem pretty good, just as quick as F4’s, no flat spots so far, and a little bit grippier, which is what I wanted. Prolly not that great for street, with the extra grip being unwanted in that scenario, but good for tranny and park.

Edit: bombed a couple of hills today with these and holy hell you’d wanna pony up before you sesh slide them, they grip like crazy!

Those are the Jim Grey ones yah?  My friend flat spotted them bad super fast....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fulfillthedream on March 31, 2018, 10:01:24 AM
I’ve been wondering but anyone got opinions on the f4 99 vs 101?

I’ve been skating the 99 always besides when I recently went back to bones stf and now back on the spits f4 cause yeah the bones are smoother, faster and roll over stuff better but they lack this feel being so impervious to the streets

So yeah, how are the f4 101 compared to the 99 besides that they slip out easier?

101s are too slippery for me, always skated the 99s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on March 31, 2018, 11:06:59 AM
still looking for that magical cruiser wheel that slides. they’re either too springy and grippy or so hard you might as well skate regular wheels instead. any such thing yet?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on March 31, 2018, 12:19:46 PM
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In reaction to the local bowls copping the anti graffiti paint, and becoming way too slick as a result, I changed it up from F4 99’s, which I have been running since they came on to the market, to powerflex. They seem pretty good, just as quick as F4’s, no flat spots so far, and a little bit grippier, which is what I wanted. Prolly not that great for street, with the extra grip being unwanted in that scenario, but good for tranny and park.

Edit: bombed a couple of hills today with these and holy hell you’d wanna pony up before you sesh slide them, they grip like crazy!
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Those are the Jim Grey ones yah?  My friend flat spotted them bad super fast....

Yep those are the ones. I haven’t flat spotted them yet, I’ll see how they go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on March 31, 2018, 04:06:32 PM
still looking for that magical cruiser wheel that slides. they’re either too springy and grippy or so hard you might as well skate regular wheels instead. any such thing yet?

Powell bomber 85a are a big soft cruiser wheel that I have no trouble breaking into a powerslide when bombing hills.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on March 31, 2018, 08:37:20 PM
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still looking for that magical cruiser wheel that slides. they’re either too springy and grippy or so hard you might as well skate regular wheels instead. any such thing yet?
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Have you skated keyframes before? And if so could you give a comparison of the two? I need a new set of cruiser wheels, and have been on keyframes for the past two years. They are awesome, but no slide, so your comments have me thinking about trying out the bombers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 31, 2018, 09:42:52 PM
I road 58 mm key frames on my ‘street masher’ for 2 years also and they are awesome but...like you said. I bought 54 mm sml wheels 92a based on this thread and they are great. Much faster than key frames but still have that bounce. I am not great at sliding but the person who recommended them says they slide. The sml wheels give you more connection to the street and handle rough patches nearly as well as the Keyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on March 31, 2018, 11:12:59 PM
still looking for that magical cruiser wheel that slides. they’re either too springy and grippy or so hard you might as well skate regular wheels instead. any such thing yet?

I've got a set of Powell Mini Cubics that I bought for nostalgia reasons.  They are 95a.  But those things are quiet and roll smooth as hell.  So I think you can go way harder than the typical cruiser wheels and be good.  Powell has a wheel in 97 with a regular shape.  And OJ has 'Mini Combos' in 95 that look good too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 01, 2018, 11:36:13 PM
Hey I just realized, the radial shape is just a worn in broken in shaped classic

Notice when you ride classics for too long and they eventually become more square than oval originally, radials are those worn out squared up classics but now you can have that shape in a real rideable size and feeling new

No wonder I loved the radial, so yeah if you aren’t feeling classics get radials

I recommend, now should I get the f4 101 classic or radial...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on April 02, 2018, 03:00:31 AM
Hey I just realized, the radial shape is just a worn in broken in shaped classic

Notice when you ride classics for too long and they eventually become more square than oval originally, radials are those worn out squared up classics but now you can have that shape in a real rideable size and feeling new

No wonder I loved the radial, so yeah if you aren’t feeling classics get radials

I recommend, now should I get the f4 101 classic or radial...

i'd go with radial, 101s are pretty slippery so a wheel with a wider riding surface would be better imo
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 02, 2018, 04:00:19 AM
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Hey I just realized, the radial shape is just a worn in broken in shaped classic

Notice when you ride classics for too long and they eventually become more square than oval originally, radials are those worn out squared up classics but now you can have that shape in a real rideable size and feeling new

No wonder I loved the radial, so yeah if you aren’t feeling classics get radials

I recommend, now should I get the f4 101 classic or radial...
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i'd go with radial, 101s are pretty slippery so a wheel with a wider riding surface would be better imo

A wider wheel isn't any grippier than a narrower though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the snake on April 02, 2018, 04:18:22 AM
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Hey I just realized, the radial shape is just a worn in broken in shaped classic

Notice when you ride classics for too long and they eventually become more square than oval originally, radials are those worn out squared up classics but now you can have that shape in a real rideable size and feeling new

No wonder I loved the radial, so yeah if you aren’t feeling classics get radials

I recommend, now should I get the f4 101 classic or radial...
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i'd go with radial, 101s are pretty slippery so a wheel with a wider riding surface would be better imo
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A wider wheel isn't any grippier than a narrower though.
more contact gives more grip, so wider wheels are grippier
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 02, 2018, 04:30:09 AM
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Hey I just realized, the radial shape is just a worn in broken in shaped classic

Notice when you ride classics for too long and they eventually become more square than oval originally, radials are those worn out squared up classics but now you can have that shape in a real rideable size and feeling new

No wonder I loved the radial, so yeah if you aren’t feeling classics get radials

I recommend, now should I get the f4 101 classic or radial...
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i'd go with radial, 101s are pretty slippery so a wheel with a wider riding surface would be better imo
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A wider wheel isn't any grippier than a narrower though.
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more contact gives more grip, so wider wheels are grippier

Common misconception, but not true.

Check this for example for a simple explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the snake on April 02, 2018, 04:46:06 AM
 ;)
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 02, 2018, 06:42:29 AM
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still looking for that magical cruiser wheel that slides. they’re either too springy and grippy or so hard you might as well skate regular wheels instead. any such thing yet?
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I've got a set of Powell Mini Cubics that I bought for nostalgia reasons.  They are 95a.  But those things are quiet and roll smooth as hell.  So I think you can go way harder than the typical cruiser wheels and be good.  Powell has a wheel in 97 with a regular shape.  And OJ has 'Mini Combos' in 95 that look good too.

I skated the Powell G Slides, which are 85a, for a few days. They slid okay but were really wide and felt heavy and a bit chalky and were pretty hard despite the stated durometer. And currently I’ve been skating the OJ Mini Elites 95a. They are lighter than the G Slides but still pretty heavy and chalky and a little too hard for a smooth ride. I wish companies would take their regular wheel shapes and sizes and just slightly tweak the formula to be softer but not squishy soft, if that’s somehow possible. The cruiser wheels on the market remind me too much of longboard wheels or are just reissues of old school skate wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 02, 2018, 08:22:22 AM
I have the SPF ditchtechs which were a 94 I think. They are great wheels but they don't make them right now.  I followed up w Powell and they sent me protos for the gslides. Mine are smaller, no core and they work super good on my zip zinger....

My feedback was that I think most guys want the softest they can get without losing that tackiness of your wheels...once it gets squishy it just feels unstable.  I said if they did something like the gslide in a 92 maybe...the idea was that the gslides could be soft but still perform like a harder wheel ie. Slide. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 02, 2018, 10:48:58 AM
I have the SPF ditchtechs which were a 94 I think. They are great wheels but they don't make them right now.  I followed up w Powell and they sent me protos for the gslides. Mine are smaller, no core and they work super good on my zip zinger....

My feedback was that I think most guys want the softest they can get without losing that tackiness of your wheels...once it gets squishy it just feels unstable.  I said if they did something like the gslide in a 92 maybe...the idea was that the gslides could be soft but still perform like a harder wheel ie. Slide.

that sounds good. and if they offered standard shapes and sizes even better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 02, 2018, 12:41:30 PM
I feel like the radials do grip more, they feel a lot smoother so definitely gonna get a set of the radial 101 to try next
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on April 03, 2018, 08:20:39 AM
I have the SPF ditchtechs which were a 94 I think. They are great wheels but they don't make them right now.  I followed up w Powell and they sent me protos for the gslides. Mine are smaller, no core and they work super good on my zip zinger....

My feedback was that I think most guys want the softest they can get without losing that tackiness of your wheels...once it gets squishy it just feels unstable.  I said if they did something like the gslide in a 92 maybe...the idea was that the gslides could be soft but still perform like a harder wheel ie. Slide.

I kind of gave up trying to find that magic soft/slide formula. Somewhere in 92a is the sweet spot, but then I always felt like you're just getting the worst things about softer and harder wheels (stickiness/fast wear and a rough slow ride), without either of the benefits (fast over rough ground/easy sliding and stability at smaller sizes).

There's another big thing. I like wheels around 52-53mm for everything, and you just can't have a formula that soft at those sizes. Doesn't work for anything other than cruising.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 03, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Yah....I ride the 81b SPF on the board I just skate around my streets.....the SPF feels sticky so mentally at least it takes the edge off.  They still slide good.  No way are these great for really rough stuff though, but trying to do tricks on big squishy wheels sucks for me.  I have bombers on my rain board and they are super smooth and slide but too high and too much of a chance of wheelbite to start ollieing. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on April 06, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
 anyone know if there's a difference between ricta naturals 101a and oj insane 101a? Apologize if this has been brought up before.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2018, 01:54:46 PM
anyone know if there's a difference between ricta naturals 101a and oj insane 101a? Apologize if this has been brought up before.

Been curious about this myself!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 06, 2018, 10:49:35 PM
anyone know if there's a difference between ricta naturals 101a and oj insane 101a? Apologize if this has been brought up before.

Idk if this partially helps but the insane a thane feel smooth and soft and can slide better than regular 99a wheels but they’re slow, ricta I’ve never had the naturals but I did have the 81b Sandoval nrg pro wheels and they are fast but hard as rocks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 16, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
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In reaction to the local bowls copping the anti graffiti paint, and becoming way too slick as a result, I changed it up from F4 99’s, which I have been running since they came on to the market, to powerflex. They seem pretty good, just as quick as F4’s, no flat spots so far, and a little bit grippier, which is what I wanted. Prolly not that great for street, with the extra grip being unwanted in that scenario, but good for tranny and park.

Edit: bombed a couple of hills today with these and holy hell you’d wanna pony up before you sesh slide them, they grip like crazy!
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Those are the Jim Grey ones yah?  My friend flat spotted them bad super fast....
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Yep those are the ones. I haven’t flat spotted them yet, I’ll see how they go.

I’ve been punishing them on raw concrete transition for a while now, still no major flat spots. I give them the thumbs up!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheVisitor on April 18, 2018, 10:23:48 PM
What's a good wheel size for crusty parking lots/curb skating? 53-55mm? Coming back from an injury and going to take it slow just skating low impact for a bit. I'm riding 51mm right now with Bones Swiss and I'm losing quite a bit of speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daniel on April 19, 2018, 01:25:22 AM
What's a good wheel size for crusty parking lots/curb skating? 53-55mm? Coming back from an injury and going to take it slow just skating low impact for a bit. I'm riding 51mm right now with Bones Swiss and I'm losing quite a bit of speed.

Had the same problem with the 51 classics.
Just started riding the 99a 54 conical fulls and they are stupid fast with Swiss. Locks in perfectly on any grind!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on April 19, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
54mm Prize Fighter Cutlery http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/#!/Banners-101A/p/55250624/category=2470697

Or 54mm Spitfire F4 classic shape.

Can't go wrong with either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daniel on April 19, 2018, 02:04:34 AM
54mm Prize Fighter Cutlery http://www.prizefightercutlery.com/#!/Banners-101A/p/55250624/category=2470697

Or 54mm Spitfire F4 classic shape.

Can't go wrong with either.

Damn those prize fighters look sick.
How do these compare to the f4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Randozzi on April 19, 2018, 02:49:18 AM
Prize Fighter's feel harder than the 99 F4s but not at slick as the 101 F4s. They grip when you need them to but slide well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
What's a good wheel size for crusty parking lots/curb skating? 53-55mm? Coming back from an injury and going to take it slow just skating low impact for a bit. I'm riding 51mm right now with Bones Swiss and I'm losing quite a bit of speed.

53mm

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mongoloid on April 19, 2018, 10:53:22 AM
Hate Bones wheels, don’t get the hype.

I used to love Autobahn’s back in the day, but cycle between OJ, Spits, Pigs, and Speed Lab (transition) these days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggotspawn on April 20, 2018, 08:52:14 AM
I need some new wheels. Spitfire F4 or Bones STF? Mostly street skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MaitlandPrivado on April 20, 2018, 10:12:51 AM
You can't really go wrong with either in my opinion, I also love Powell Park Formula and Bones SPF in both durometers. I'm a mix of broke mofo and cheapskate so price usually helps make my decisions. Typically when I want/need wheels, I wait for a good sale on anything PPF/F4/STF/SPF in a size & shape that I think I can jive with and buy 1 or 2 sets. If I was looking for wheels today I would jump on the SW daily dose sale and grab a set of 81b P4 shape SPFs in 53 or 54mm for $15.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggotspawn on April 20, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Just got back from the local shop. They didn't have STF's in a size I wanted , so I got some SF F4 Conical Full's in 99a. Can't wait to try them out. I had some A-1 Meats in 95a then some Ricta Clouds in 92a. Both those wheels felt so good for just cruising, and the A-1's were stupid fast. But neither would slide, so they had to go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 20, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
Just got back from the local shop. They didn't have STF's in a size I wanted , so I got some SF F4 Conical Full's in 99a. Can't wait to try them out. I had some A-1 Meats in 95a then some Ricta Clouds in 92a. Both those wheels felt so good for just cruising, and the A-1's were stupid fast. But neither would slide, so they had to go.
You should be good then because F4’ do SLIDE, even too much for my liking so I’ll stick with my STF’s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2018, 03:38:59 PM
I need some new wheels. Spitfire F4 or Bones STF? Mostly street skating.

Park street, city streets, crusty street, or all of the above?

Tech or hesh?

Do you like thin wheels or wide wheels?


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggotspawn on April 21, 2018, 04:01:03 PM
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I need some new wheels. Spitfire F4 or Bones STF? Mostly street skating.
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Park street, city streets, crusty street, or all of the above?

Tech or hesh?

Do you like thin wheels or wide wheels?
City streets mostly. Not too technical. I think I'm set with the F4's I got in the meantime.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 23, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
As anyone here ever tried Fast Skateboarding Wheel Co.? I'm thinking about bumping 1mm and trying those out:
http://fswc.bigcartel.com/product/fswc-classic-54mm

Or I'm also maybe some Waywards, they also look promissing! 

I know I should probably just call it a day and just buy some Formula 4's but I like to just try different stuff.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2018, 05:50:11 PM
As anyone here ever tried Fast Skateboarding Wheel Co.? I'm thinking about bumping 1mm and trying those out:
http://fswc.bigcartel.com/product/fswc-classic-54mm

Or I'm also maybe some Waywards, they also look promising! 

I know I should probably just call it a day and just buy some Formula 4's but I like to just try different stuff.

Waywards feel exactly like F4s to me, can't go wrong with them (and they offer up some thinner shapes).

Crupie gets my dollar next time I grab some wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 23, 2018, 06:44:03 PM
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As anyone here ever tried Fast Skateboarding Wheel Co.? I'm thinking about bumping 1mm and trying those out:
http://fswc.bigcartel.com/product/fswc-classic-54mm

Or I'm also maybe some Waywards, they also look promising! 

I know I should probably just call it a day and just buy some Formula 4's but I like to just try different stuff.
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Waywards feel exactly like F4s to me, can't go wrong with them (and they offer up some thinner shapes).

Crupie gets my dollar next time I grab some wheels.

You should man, I'm ridding a set now and they are really good at a good price. I would get a second set but I'm at a point that trying stuff out is also part of the fun...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on April 24, 2018, 09:29:20 PM
Try Waywards if you haven’t already skatan, I loved them. My only gripe was I felt like they wore down really fast, but I was skating every day last year so I was probably just trippin.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jamersonbass on April 25, 2018, 07:46:25 AM
It seems like earlier on there was some criticism about Waywards that made me decide against trying them.  Do they slide well?  I'm basically an old man and don't skate super fast.  If they slide well I'll definitely try some.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nlvl1608 on April 25, 2018, 04:07:39 PM
I bought a set of Waywards 2 days ago (52mm round cut.) They took me half an hour to push the bearings into the wheels. Then one of the front wheels got flatspotted 20’ into the first sesh. I also ordered a pair of shorts from their main website and I haven’t received them after almost a month. I called and sent email but absolute no communication. I think I’m done with this company.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pinkbananastatus on April 25, 2018, 04:17:11 PM
Have F4s made Spitfire classics obsolete? I want a wheel thats a little softer and easier to ride over all the shitty ground here. I've been skating some of the Lurker Lou 95A Prize fighters for a while and they started off soft enough to flatspot pretty easily, but broke in to be a nice medium. I don't think I really mind minor flatspots, it's kinda hard to tell when you're rolling over rough ground. Would classics or 99A F4s be a better bet?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on April 26, 2018, 02:58:17 PM
I have noticed that nearly every skater i run into seems to be running spitfires, i hardly ever see bones in the wild. why is this?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2018, 03:31:32 PM
Have F4s made Spitfire classics obsolete? I want a wheel thats a little softer and easier to ride over all the shitty ground here. I've been skating some of the Lurker Lou 95A Prize fighters for a while and they started off soft enough to flatspot pretty easily, but broke in to be a nice medium. I don't think I really mind minor flatspots, it's kinda hard to tell when you're rolling over rough ground. Would classics or 99A F4s be a better bet?

Seems like it. Not sure why a re-worked classic is even in the cards (unless there are die-hard pros in the ranks that dislike F4s)...I can't imagine anyone not really like F4s unless they need a different shape or hate wheels that yellow (not like the F1s/classics don't)?

OJs regular 101 formula does justice on rough terrain, doesn't feel like a 101 but slides like it.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on April 26, 2018, 07:52:04 PM
wheel review: 
 I got the 54 keyframes.  kinda wish I went with the 52s.   I gotta use a riser pad with the 54s. My trucks are 184s so wheelbite is a bit more of an issue.  I like soft wheels and hard wheels.  there both fun.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on April 27, 2018, 06:21:14 AM
I noticed the rebirth of Powerflex wheels and it looks like they’ve come back strong. I’ve never tried wheels with cores in them but they seem to be of really high quality and use actual urethane as the core, not plastic. Made in USA, too. Anyone tried them out?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on April 27, 2018, 10:43:28 AM
I noticed the rebirth of Powerflex wheels and it looks like they’ve come back strong. I’ve never tried wheels with cores in them but they seem to be of really high quality and use actual urethane as the core, not plastic. Made in USA, too. Anyone tried them out?

my homie was given a set. He liked them but said they were too grippy. He now rides the Nora OJ's
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on April 27, 2018, 04:51:27 PM
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I noticed the rebirth of Powerflex wheels and it looks like they’ve come back strong. I’ve never tried wheels with cores in them but they seem to be of really high quality and use actual urethane as the core, not plastic. Made in USA, too. Anyone tried them out?
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my homie was given a set. He liked them but said they were too grippy. He now rides the Nora OJ's

Good to know. OJ’s have always been unappealing to me, I guess I’ll stick with F4’s they are the best urethane formula out on the market, I’ve tried them all pretty much.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 30, 2018, 10:45:00 PM
Anyone tried the oj insane a thane 99a?

I have a set of 101a I’m gonna give a second chance now that I have better bearings so maybe they won’t be as slow but from what I recall on feel they were like a softer bones stf like feel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 01, 2018, 05:05:19 AM
Anyone tried the oj insane a thane 99a?

I have a set of 101a I’m gonna give a second chance now that I have better bearings so maybe they won’t be as slow but from what I recall on feel they were like a softer bones stf like feel

Rob,

I almost bought a pair of STF based on your insistence that they are the fastest wheels ever. Then I read you are riding Spitfire and now this? Can’t you just stick to truck madness?

P.S. Can you post a pic of your spare parts bin? Would like to see your inventory.

GS77
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: concerned_parent on May 01, 2018, 05:09:00 AM
who's got the OJ super juices

trying to set up a monster cruiser over here
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NootNoot on May 01, 2018, 06:24:38 AM
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Anyone tried the oj insane a thane 99a?

I have a set of 101a I’m gonna give a second chance now that I have better bearings so maybe they won’t be as slow but from what I recall on feel they were like a softer bones stf like feel
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Rob,

I almost bought a pair of STF based on your insistence that they are the fastest wheels ever. Then I read you are riding Spitfire and now this? Can’t you just stick to truck madness?

P.S. Can you post a pic of your spare parts bin? Would like to see your inventory.

GS77
I’ve been burned so many times reading robs posts including buying a set of stfs because of that exact post you are referencing him going to work and stf are the best so fast and smooth gain speed the best. I lurked these forums for the last year and I’ve witnessed:
Destructo are the best
No mini logo are
No destructo
No Indy’s
No gonna try royal sounds like a great truck
Royals suck destructos the best
Indy’s are the best
Thunders are the best cured my madness just bought 147 didn’t care about the colour and they are truly the best trucks 
No I was wrong Indy’s are so much better pop so nice like nothing else honestly the best truck is Indy
No got Ace and they are awesome
Tried my tensors with bones now I see why zered rips it makes me feel cool to skate his trucks
Tensor just suck honestly back to ace
Ace are okay but weird for flip tricks thunders are for me
Excited to see the new Indy stage 11.5 they will be amazing sounds like the best truck
I would never skate Indy anymore too tippy back to thunder and they are the best ace are okay too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 01, 2018, 12:12:56 PM
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Anyone tried the oj insane a thane 99a?

I have a set of 101a I’m gonna give a second chance now that I have better bearings so maybe they won’t be as slow but from what I recall on feel they were like a softer bones stf like feel
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Rob,

I almost bought a pair of STF based on your insistence that they are the fastest wheels ever. Then I read you are riding Spitfire and now this? Can’t you just stick to truck madness?

P.S. Can you post a pic of your spare parts bin? Would like to see your inventory.

GS77

I used to ride Bones STF all the time til the F4’s first came and skated those for a few years. I bought a set of bones stf v1s a couple months ago off the strength of a rob post and I’m happy i went back to them. I like their more reboundy feel & the fact that they actually handle rough terrain smoother than most other comparable wheels despite being harder. V1’s are like the perfect all around shape too. I still fuck with Crupies as my go-to small brand but I’m defintely in the Bones over spitfire camp now (although obviously spits are still great wheels)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on May 01, 2018, 12:55:09 PM
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Anyone tried the oj insane a thane 99a?

I have a set of 101a I’m gonna give a second chance now that I have better bearings so maybe they won’t be as slow but from what I recall on feel they were like a softer bones stf like feel
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Rob,

I almost bought a pair of STF based on your insistence that they are the fastest wheels ever. Then I read you are riding Spitfire and now this? Can’t you just stick to truck madness?

P.S. Can you post a pic of your spare parts bin? Would like to see your inventory.

GS77

Ahaha yeah I would still ride stf cause they still are the fastest, grippiest but still slide and smoothest buttttt I like how spitfire has this board feel to them

I’ll post a pic on the trucks thread later tonight ahaha

But yeah idk, spitfire help me feel the ground and sadly stf turn the ground into smoothness that takes away from feeling my board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on May 01, 2018, 03:49:32 PM
who's got the OJ super juices

trying to set up a monster cruiser over here

These are legit. Not much to talk about except they are a good, big, soft, grippy, and fast as hell cruiser wheel.

If you want something a little harder that gives you an easier 'slide' (and two sizes) check out the Powell G-slides, and if you want something smaller but still soft try the Bones Rough Riders (also two sizes). All good cruiser wheels depending on what you want. I like the OJ's because they are super comfy and quiet and fast. I do wish they did a smaller size though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 01, 2018, 04:34:20 PM
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Anyone tried the oj insane a thane 99a?

I have a set of 101a I’m gonna give a second chance now that I have better bearings so maybe they won’t be as slow but from what I recall on feel they were like a softer bones stf like feel
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Rob,

I almost bought a pair of STF based on your insistence that they are the fastest wheels ever. Then I read you are riding Spitfire and now this? Can’t you just stick to truck madness?

P.S. Can you post a pic of your spare parts bin? Would like to see your inventory.

GS77
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I’ve been burned so many times reading robs posts including buying a set of stfs because of that exact post you are referencing him going to work and stf are the best so fast and smooth gain speed the best. I lurked these forums for the last year and I’ve witnessed:
Destructo are the best
No mini logo are
No destructo
No Indy’s
No gonna try royal sounds like a great truck
Royals suck destructos the best
Indy’s are the best
Thunders are the best cured my madness just bought 147 didn’t care about the colour and they are truly the best trucks 
No I was wrong Indy’s are so much better pop so nice like nothing else honestly the best truck is Indy
No got Ace and they are awesome
Tried my tensors with bones now I see why zered rips it makes me feel cool to skate his trucks
Tensor just suck honestly back to ace
Ace are okay but weird for flip tricks thunders are for me
Excited to see the new Indy stage 11.5 they will be amazing sounds like the best truck
I would never skate Indy anymore too tippy back to thunder and they are the best ace are okay too.

this is the short version too!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on May 02, 2018, 12:43:02 AM
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Anyone tried the oj insane a thane 99a?

I have a set of 101a I’m gonna give a second chance now that I have better bearings so maybe they won’t be as slow but from what I recall on feel they were like a softer bones stf like feel
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Rob,

I almost bought a pair of STF based on your insistence that they are the fastest wheels ever. Then I read you are riding Spitfire and now this? Can’t you just stick to truck madness?

P.S. Can you post a pic of your spare parts bin? Would like to see your inventory.

GS77
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I’ve been burned so many times reading robs posts including buying a set of stfs because of that exact post you are referencing him going to work and stf are the best so fast and smooth gain speed the best. I lurked these forums for the last year and I’ve witnessed:
Destructo are the best
No mini logo are
No destructo
No Indy’s
No gonna try royal sounds like a great truck
Royals suck destructos the best
Indy’s are the best
Thunders are the best cured my madness just bought 147 didn’t care about the colour and they are truly the best trucks 
No I was wrong Indy’s are so much better pop so nice like nothing else honestly the best truck is Indy
No got Ace and they are awesome
Tried my tensors with bones now I see why zered rips it makes me feel cool to skate his trucks
Tensor just suck honestly back to ace
Ace are okay but weird for flip tricks thunders are for me
Excited to see the new Indy stage 11.5 they will be amazing sounds like the best truck
I would never skate Indy anymore too tippy back to thunder and they are the best ace are okay too.

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this is the short version too!

Ahaha can you blame someone who’s obsessed with skateboarding and wants the best and falls for most gimmicks?

But seriously I still stand by stf being the fastest and smoothest

I tested them against me being back on the formula 4 train and they were faster and did retain speed and roll better and felt smoother but they felt off compared to spits

They lacked feel between the board and ground which I like a lot cause it helps feel for doing tricks better cause I can’t always just foot position and pop out a trick I gotta get the feel on and adjust my feet how I wanna pull the trick out as I roll and feel out the street

also tried the oj insane a thane 101a today again and they’re very ehhhhh

They’re kinda sticky on the slide but do kinda slide, they roll smooth almost like an stf but they are as I claimed before...still slow, you get okay push speed but retaining roll was eh. I would get a few pushes then get that feel like when wind is going against you and you start losing speed and roll

They do feel smooth and can slide but compared to f4 or stf they’re still not up to par

I would say if you want speed and all terrain type street skating wheels stf all the way cause they will push through rough asphalt and all with speed

If you want more board feel as I mentioned like feeling the ground and knowing whether to push harder and or set your feet different different for a trick spits are those wheels

They both slide good, spits easier but just like my top 3 rideable trucks my top 2 rideable wheels would be f4 and stf, I’ve tried gold, pig, girl, wayward, ricta, and others but the top 2 are just reliable and great and won’t let you down

Also last note to this essay, if you can’t decide between f4 99 or 101 I highly recommend 99

Tried the 101 f4 classics and they’re not as fast or as smooth as the 99

The 101 just slip/slide easier
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on May 02, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Too old to still be good at skating but getting ''some love'' from spitfire is always nice...
got a bunch of new wheels to test and I'll try and post here what I think about them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on May 02, 2018, 12:54:41 PM

Tried the 101 f4 classics and they’re not as fast or as smooth as the 99


Don't trust this man. The 101s are faster, the 99s are smoother.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on May 02, 2018, 09:32:36 PM
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Tried the 101 f4 classics and they’re not as fast or as smooth as the 99

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Don't trust this man. The 101s are faster, the 99s are smoother.
Like, at all
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: concerned_parent on May 03, 2018, 05:30:25 AM
who's got the OJ super juices

trying to set up a monster cruiser over here
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NootNoot on May 03, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
Too old to still be good at skating but getting ''some love'' from spitfire is always nice...
got a bunch of new wheels to test and I'll try and post here what I think about them.
That’s so awesome. Can you elaborate on what’s new? Is it a new formula or shape?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggotspawn on May 03, 2018, 01:57:02 PM
Threw the set of A1 Meats back on my cruiser/street board. They're 62mm/95a. They feel softer then 95a, more like 92a. Smooth ride and fast as @#$%. Faster then the Ricta Clouds I had on there. I got them off Fleabay for $15 shipped. I'm going to keep them on there for a bit, until I relearn how to skate.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lv4AAOSwMVdYF8RU/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2018, 07:14:03 PM
I came to enjoy my F4 radial slims eventually (until I took a huge chunk out of them, FU funbox screw) even tho I tend to like harder wheels like OJ/Ricta and SPFs.

Now, I'm on the fence as I want to try either Crupie, some new Rictas, Powerflex Gumballs (no 53s :()
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on May 04, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I came to enjoy my F4 radial slims eventually (until I took a huge chunk out of them, FU funbox screw) even tho I tend to like harder wheels like OJ/Ricta and SPFs.

Now, I'm on the fence as I want to try either Crupie, some new Rictas, Powerflex Gumballs (no 53s :()

I’ve been digging my Crupies. Honestly I still think that F4s are slightly better, but not by much.

If you’re looking to save some cash on a set, google Crupie Zumiez and click on the links to each of the wheels. They’ll say they’re out of stock online, but check and see if your local ones have them in stock. I picked mine up for $13, and have seen some recently for $15. I know it’s not core to buy from Zumiez, but you can’t beat a good set of wheels for $15.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 04, 2018, 10:37:36 PM
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who's got the OJ super juices

trying to set up a monster cruiser over here
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This is what you need...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--eCe4F3x6w
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 05, 2018, 10:24:26 PM
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I noticed the rebirth of Powerflex wheels and it looks like they’ve come back strong. I’ve never tried wheels with cores in them but they seem to be of really high quality and use actual urethane as the core, not plastic. Made in USA, too. Anyone tried them out?
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my homie was given a set. He liked them but said they were too grippy. He now rides the Nora OJ's

I’m on them for big polished concrete bowls. They are a bit on the grippy side but that’s what I was chasing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on May 06, 2018, 01:00:50 AM
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Tried the 101 f4 classics and they’re not as fast or as smooth as the 99

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Don't trust this man. The 101s are faster, the 99s are smoother.
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Like, at all

I skate 5-6 days a week 5 of those day commuting to work with my street setup so at lunch I can skate around before I turn old and I can’t flip my board anymore, anyways

My 2 miles to work and to home from work I test my wheels and I use the same bearings every time

The f4 classic 101 were definitely out the gate and broken in slower and didn’t have a long roll

They felt so laggy compared to my gt f4 classic 99a, the 101 definitely did slide way easier and longer and all that slipping and sliding you guys wanna do but seriously they had no long roll or smoothness compared to 99a which I also got a set of the radial slim in and man they are fast and smooth

You guys who back the 101 being faster are probably testing them at the park, I don’t do parks

They’re played out to keep you off the mean streets

But really I dislike skate parks cause they make skating easier by setting up the obstacles rather than doing it the old way finding spots and/or having a classic parking lot sesh on real asphalt and concrete

that smooth baby oil park floor that makes tre flips easy to do is just not street

Also dealing with all the alpha skaters and kids who wanna snake you and claim territory cause “locals only” and scooter kids
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JumpManShorty on May 06, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
Hey pals, should I buy the f4 lock ins because the graphic is awesome, or the conicals cause that's what I always skate?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on May 06, 2018, 02:14:17 PM
does anyone else think conicals make the board harder to flip and want to lie flat more than the classics? I don’t know if this is mental but I think that sometimes when skating my setup with conicals.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hey pickle on May 07, 2018, 06:42:21 AM
does anyone else think conicals make the board harder to flip and want to lie flat more than the classics? I don’t know if this is mental but I think that sometimes when skating my setup with conicals.

they (conical wheels) 100% make it harder to flip the board
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Post by: Firebert on May 07, 2018, 07:10:02 AM
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Tried the 101 f4 classics and they’re not as fast or as smooth as the 99

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Don't trust this man. The 101s are faster, the 99s are smoother.
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Like, at all
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I skate 5-6 days a week 5 of those day commuting to work...

Well that makes sense, you are comparing two different things according to one metric. If you take street racing tires off road and compare them to off road tires, the off road tires will seem faster. That is why I said 101's are faster and 99s are smoother - smoother wheels seem faster on rough ground because they have rebound to absorb the shock of uneven surfaces. A harder wheel will retain speed on optimal conditions though. It's not that one is better than the other, they are both just better for different purposes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on May 11, 2018, 11:02:14 AM
Always been on Classics. Didn't like Conicals, was thinking of trying Radial Slims since they've got about the same riding surface but are a narrower wheel. Anyone else make the switch and like it or have input?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on May 11, 2018, 01:46:39 PM
Always been on Classics. Didn't like Conicals, was thinking of trying Radial Slims since they've got about the same riding surface but are a narrower wheel. Anyone else make the switch and like it or have input?

I have radial slims. They have a narrower riding surface but the actual wheel isn't slimmer. like if I laid them down flat next to my ricta naturals, they are taller. That being said I dont know how they compare to other spitefire wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on May 11, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on May 12, 2018, 12:05:10 PM
Just wanted to tell everyone that Keyframes are the truth! Fucking awesome cruiser wheels.

Been cruising with my big setup I got after breaking my leg with 60 mm 78A Ricta Clouds lately. Took it apart cuz it has a Jason "Nazi" Jessee graphic on it and I want to paint it but that kinda got delayed and I didn't want to put it back together and skate a deck with that kook's name on it, so I've been cruising on my old cruiser with 54 mm Keyframes on it and god damn. They roll so nicely. Not much difference in the 60 mm Clouds to the 54 mm Keyframes on how they handle rough terrain, but having 54 mm wheels instead of 60 mm and no risers is so much better. Ollieing actually works the same as with my other set ups as I use 54 mm wheels on those too. With the big cruiser it's a fucking chore to ollie. My leg is good enough that I don't need the big wheels anymore (probably never did), so I guess the big cruiser will get less and less use and I'll just go with my Keyframes if I'm going cruising.

Too bad OJ sponsors that fucking Nazi too. Maybe the 86A Ricta Clouds could be similar quality. 🤔 Spitfire 80HD Chargers at least are fucking crap compared to Keyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on May 12, 2018, 10:43:29 PM
Have Spitfire Classics always been made in Mexico? I thought all their wheels were poured in USA.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on May 13, 2018, 01:11:18 AM
Just wanted to tell everyone that Keyframes are the truth! Fucking awesome cruiser wheels.

Been cruising with my big setup I got after breaking my leg with 60 mm 78A Ricta Clouds lately. Took it apart cuz it has a Jason "Nazi" Jessee graphic on it and I want to paint it but that kinda got delayed and I didn't want to put it back together and skate a deck with that kook's name on it, so I've been cruising on my old cruiser with 54 mm Keyframes on it and god damn. They roll so nicely. Not much difference in the 60 mm Clouds to the 54 mm Keyframes on how they handle rough terrain, but having 54 mm wheels instead of 60 mm and no risers is so much better. Ollieing actually works the same as with my other set ups as I use 54 mm wheels on those too. With the big cruiser it's a fucking chore to ollie. My leg is good enough that I don't need the big wheels anymore (probably never did), so I guess the big cruiser will get less and less use and I'll just go with my Keyframes if I'm going cruising.

Too bad OJ sponsors that fucking Nazi too. Maybe the 86A Ricta Clouds could be similar quality. 🤔 Spitfire 80HD Chargers at least are fucking crap compared to Keyframes.
I use Bones ATF 54 mm’s here in Turku and I agree that you don’t really need wheels bigger that 55mm to cruise around if formula is right...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on May 16, 2018, 10:58:23 AM
Some days I just feel like running keyframes on my "normal" street setup and having done with it all for good.... Just gotta try these F4 101s in summer first :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on May 16, 2018, 03:05:15 PM
What’s up with those new ojs?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 16, 2018, 03:26:59 PM
What’s up with those new ojs?

Haven't heard a thing. Wasn't 144p supposed to get samples or something?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on May 17, 2018, 03:45:35 PM
I'm sure this has been talked about, so sorry, but with sml, do you want og or ag? I'm trying out a bunch of stuff now, i've ridden ricta, waywards. I like slick wheels like stf and f4 101
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 17, 2018, 08:44:42 PM
Just wanted to tell everyone that Keyframes are the truth! Fucking awesome cruiser wheels.

Been cruising with my big setup I got after breaking my leg with 60 mm 78A Ricta Clouds lately. Took it apart cuz it has a Jason "Nazi" Jessee graphic on it and I want to paint it but that kinda got delayed and I didn't want to put it back together and skate a deck with that kook's name on it, so I've been cruising on my old cruiser with 54 mm Keyframes on it and god damn. They roll so nicely. Not much difference in the 60 mm Clouds to the 54 mm Keyframes on how they handle rough terrain, but having 54 mm wheels instead of 60 mm and no risers is so much better. Ollieing actually works the same as with my other set ups as I use 54 mm wheels on those too. With the big cruiser it's a fucking chore to ollie. My leg is good enough that I don't need the big wheels anymore (probably never did), so I guess the big cruiser will get less and less use and I'll just go with my Keyframes if I'm going cruising.

Too bad OJ sponsors that fucking Nazi too. Maybe the 86A Ricta Clouds could be similar quality. 🤔 Spitfire 80HD Chargers at least are fucking crap compared to Keyframes.

Art will come and cut you dude!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on May 17, 2018, 08:49:45 PM
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Just wanted to tell everyone that Keyframes are the truth! Fucking awesome cruiser wheels.

Been cruising with my big setup I got after breaking my leg with 60 mm 78A Ricta Clouds lately. Took it apart cuz it has a Jason "Nazi" Jessee graphic on it and I want to paint it but that kinda got delayed and I didn't want to put it back together and skate a deck with that kook's name on it, so I've been cruising on my old cruiser with 54 mm Keyframes on it and god damn. They roll so nicely. Not much difference in the 60 mm Clouds to the 54 mm Keyframes on how they handle rough terrain, but having 54 mm wheels instead of 60 mm and no risers is so much better. Ollieing actually works the same as with my other set ups as I use 54 mm wheels on those too. With the big cruiser it's a fucking chore to ollie. My leg is good enough that I don't need the big wheels anymore (probably never did), so I guess the big cruiser will get less and less use and I'll just go with my Keyframes if I'm going cruising.

Too bad OJ sponsors that fucking Nazi too. Maybe the 86A Ricta Clouds could be similar quality. 🤔 Spitfire 80HD Chargers at least are fucking crap compared to Keyframes.
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Art will come and cut you dude!

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 17, 2018, 09:10:14 PM
I'm sure this has been talked about, so sorry, but with sml, do you want og or ag? I'm trying out a bunch of stuff now, i've ridden ricta, waywards. I like slick wheels like stf and f4 101
I just got some AG (which stands for Austyn Gillette I guess) Josh Pall's. Honestly they feel more like spit classics than a hard stf.

I don't need wheels but Dial Tone has piqued my interest.  If anyone tries them out shoot us a review.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on May 18, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
Been on Spitfire classics and got some conicals- what am I spost to notice? They feel slightly smoother, that's about it.  Some tricks feel harder and crooks aren't as easy to lock into it seems.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on May 20, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
Back on my Crupies again after having multiple bearings seize in bones STF (just did a quick wheel swap instead of pulling em out) and damn I forgot why I loved these so much. The squeal they make on 180 tricks & reverts is just (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/lawd.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 20, 2018, 12:44:34 PM
If you are from europe and want to try something different go with FSWC (Fast Skateboard Wheel Co.)
I bought a set the other day out of curiosity and they feel super good, on pair with any other big brand, crispy white, super fast and slide well. The price is pretty good, 29pounds, with free shipping inside europe (thats basically half of a F4 set). They also have a sick squad (sour boyzz in the house), and a no bullshit image which is a plus. Backing them hard!
(https://i.imgur.com/HolYEUt.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 21, 2018, 01:47:38 PM
I know someone posted about them a while back, but anyone mess with the Sml AG formula wheels recently? Thinking of trying a set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: burn_to_live on May 21, 2018, 02:06:30 PM
Yeah i'm just one of the Spitfire guys, riding Formula Four Classics
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on May 21, 2018, 02:31:03 PM
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What’s up with those new ojs?
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Haven't heard a thing. Wasn't 144p supposed to get samples or something?

My friend is skating these 'elite' formulas and they feel a lot like more of a bones product.  Hard but not plasticky.....

I'm a weirdo and skate longboard bearings (race reds) so my complaint n/a to most but the cores on spits don't feel consistent....on my bones they do...pop right in and it feels even....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 22, 2018, 08:46:47 AM
currently looking at some new wheels, bunch on sale such as 101a jake johnson ojs and 100a welcome orbs, anyone skated either of those? currently got formula fours

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rEVOLVED on May 22, 2018, 08:10:23 PM
Looking for something slightly softer but still fast that I can mob around on. I don't do any slides, ledges or rails. Just need to ride fast, pop some ollies, and play around with flip tricks here and there. Want something that blends comfort with speed. Mini logo 90a is tempting because of the price point. Also open to Ricta clouds, OJ keyframes, and Bones ATF. Any others come to mind, or can anyone help direct me?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on May 22, 2018, 09:32:20 PM
I would say try those 90a mini logos if they are cheap. Might give you a good starting point, if they are too slow or not grippy enough, go softer. If they are too grippy or feel sluggish, go up to 92a or 95a. I know some brands offer that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rEVOLVED on May 23, 2018, 12:48:24 PM
I would say try those 90a mini logos if they are cheap. Might give you a good starting point, if they are too slow or not grippy enough, go softer. If they are too grippy or feel sluggish, go up to 92a or 95a. I know some brands offer that.

That's a great answer, thanks! I'd love to spend as little as possible to get a decent board set up for this summer. I'm thinking 56 or 58, but some people seem to think that's crazy. With the wheels being so soft, I feel like 56 might be enough. I don't mind using risers, but I ride Thunders, which I've heard are low in nature, and I ride looooose trucks and love making sharp turns like on a cruiser/longboard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 23, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
currently looking at some new wheels, bunch on sale such as 101a jake johnson ojs and 100a welcome orbs, anyone skated either of those? currently got formula fours

Stay away from any OJs that are not Insane-a-thanes unless you ride really rough/raw streets, then regular OJs are fine.

Never ridden the Orbs.

Coming from F4s, you'll be hard pressed to match them depending on what you like about them. I recently switched to STFs V1s and am really enjoying them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 23, 2018, 02:22:12 PM
yeah i had stf v5s before the 101a formula fours and if anything i feel like i enjoyed the stfs more. i live in england and in an ex mining area at that so definitely not the best spots around. that being said i do mostly skate park/transition but with summer coming up i really dont want to be cooped up in the same park with scooter kids on their school holidays so itll definitely be more street orientated.

also want to try and hit some of the rougher lesser skated spots up here and film some shit for a video. we straight up have a fucking street half pipe spot nobody likes skating because its brick and im just like are you fucking kidding me this is the sickest shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: curbdrop on May 23, 2018, 02:43:33 PM
currently looking at some new wheels, bunch on sale such as 101a jake johnson ojs and 100a welcome orbs, anyone skated either of those? currently got formula fours

I'm running Orbs Spectre 56's and they are great at the park.

Also agree that the 90A mini logos are great, especially here in crusty ass Florida.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Italianshredder96 on May 25, 2018, 08:11:47 AM
I bought f4s 54mm conical 5 months ago...they're now already 50.5mm and slow af, my oj insanethane hardline to get to 50.5mm literally took 11 months.

I love the conical shape, next i want to try stf v5, will they last me longer and will they be faster? Is the v5 shape similar?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on May 25, 2018, 08:53:39 AM
I bought f4s 54mm conical 5 months ago...they're now already 50.5mm and slow af, my oj insanethane hardline to get to 50.5mm literally took 11 months.

I love the conical shape, next i want to try stf v5, will they last me longer and will they be faster? Is the v5 shape similar?

I'm assuming you had the 99a F4's.  Try the 101a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Basingstoke on May 25, 2018, 12:06:28 PM
Decided to make a change from my usual diet of Spitfires and get a set of Wayward Fairfax Three Stack 52mm 99a Funnel Cuts.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rEVOLVED on May 26, 2018, 06:27:51 AM
Looking to shop some sales this weekend. Probably going to grab some mini logo 90a that I can cruise comfortably on and still ollie around town. I don't mind throwing risers on if need be... I can't decide between 56 and 58
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggotspawn on May 26, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
Went by the local shop looking for some SF 101a F4's. They were out, so I snagged some 55 mm 83b STF's.
I still need to break them in, but they don't feel much harder then the 99a F4 SF's I was riding. They slide about the same.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CrumblingInfrastructure on May 26, 2018, 08:31:50 PM
Anyone got any info on Dial Tone wheels or SML softer wheels like the Coffee Cruisers? I have the 99a SMLs on my small setup and dig them. I have the 99a F4 conical wides on another setup and like them a lot too. My cruiser has the 60mm OJ hot juice wheels. 78a they can ride pretty smooth on crusty ass spots but I think 60mm is a bit too much and I want to see about a different company for my cruiser after I wear them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on May 27, 2018, 08:43:27 AM
Back on my Crupies again after having multiple bearings seize in bones STF (just did a quick wheel swap instead of pulling em out) and damn I forgot why I loved these so much. The squeal they make on 180 tricks & reverts is just (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/lawd.png)

Really liking my Crupies (the wider tiagos) that I've been riding for couple weeks. They feel harder than any wheel I've ridden lately (F4 or STF), but still have a great roll on less than perfect terrain. Great sound when reverting, but also when stomping tricks they are louder than other wheels. They are really durable also, took a while to get rid of the treads.

At first I was bummed because they seem to have stickier sides, they pick up more wax from ledges than most... but after learning to push my crooks a little more they have actually become more consistent and I can pop out better because I am pushing with my front foot so it helps me jump back a bit.

Only problem is that it seems you can only get the wider ones direct.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 27, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
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Back on my Crupies again after having multiple bearings seize in bones STF (just did a quick wheel swap instead of pulling em out) and damn I forgot why I loved these so much. The squeal they make on 180 tricks & reverts is just (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/lawd.png)
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Really liking my Crupies (the wider tiagos) that I've been riding for couple weeks. They feel harder than any wheel I've ridden lately (F4 or STF), but still have a great roll on less than perfect terrain. Great sound when reverting, but also when stomping tricks they are louder than other wheels. They are really durable also, took a while to get rid of the treads.

At first I was bummed because they seem to have stickier sides, they pick up more wax from ledges than most... but after learning to push my crooks a little more they have actually become more consistent and I can pop out better because I am pushing with my front foot so it helps me jump back a bit.

Only problem is that it seems you can only get the wider ones direct.

I was looking at those a while back (went with STFs instead) - how wide are they compared to whatever F4s you were riding?
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Post by: Beeker on May 27, 2018, 10:17:36 AM

I was looking at those a while back (went with STFs instead) - how wide are they compared to whatever F4s you were riding?

They are about the exact same width as the Ishod F4's I was riding which are conical. If you skate 51mm you can still get the Tiago's from Tactics, but otherwise almost all their wheels are thinner.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CrumblingInfrastructure on May 27, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
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Anyone got any info on Dial Tone wheels or SML softer wheels like the Coffee Cruisers? I have the 99a SMLs on my small setup and dig them. I have the 99a F4 conical wides on another setup and like them a lot too. My cruiser has the 60mm OJ hot juice wheels. 78a they can ride pretty smooth on crusty ass spots but I think 60mm is a bit too much and I want to see about a different company for my cruiser after I wear them out.
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My Sml Coffee Cruisers weren’t so great. They’re soft and reasonably fast and quiet but not made very well. They come with this huge extra ring of urethane around them leftover from the mold that actually started to come apart and caused the wheels to chip and chunk. The plastic core also started cracking after a few weeks. On the other hand the Sml 92A wheels in 54mm are the best smaller 92A wheels I’ve ever skated. They’re much faster than Spitfire, Ricta or OJ’s 92A wheels and last quite a long time. They ride like a cruiser but can take more of a beating and don’t slow down on really smooth surfaces. They’re a bit hard to find as they’re really popular but I’m told they’re getting more in about a month. Also, the new Powell 80A Clear Cruisers are fantastic! I have them in 59mm but they’re coming out with 55’s as well if you want smaller.

No idea about Dial Tone yet but the urethane color looks just like Waywards and Sml’s AG Formula which are both poured at the same place so I wonder if they’re similar.

Thanks for the heads up! Might have to try those 92a SML when I need a new set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 01, 2018, 11:58:17 AM
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What’s up with those new ojs?
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Haven't heard a thing. Wasn't 144p supposed to get samples or something?
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My friend is skating these 'elite' formulas and they feel a lot like more of a bones product.  Hard but not plasticky.....

I'm a weirdo and skate longboard bearings (race reds) so my complaint n/a to most but the cores on spits don't feel consistent....on my bones they do...pop right in and it feels even....

Elite Urethane - Available June 4th, 2018.

(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34258573_10156251982458796_5501975740377202688_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeG0f3NsheNy4aGH9WksU3pSZ8Lze5VYrI-Y9frjGxhXF9SLC37eaOLV4VBXtS1YxBEcJF0c4TxJY7FKvdUZqA3CjQyQLTWzdOUhAm7keXmw_A&oh=0b739839bdb969d3289f7825c0ae305b&oe=5B851243)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 01, 2018, 06:44:55 PM
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Anyone got any info on Dial Tone wheels or SML softer wheels like the Coffee Cruisers? I have the 99a SMLs on my small setup and dig them. I have the 99a F4 conical wides on another setup and like them a lot too. My cruiser has the 60mm OJ hot juice wheels. 78a they can ride pretty smooth on crusty ass spots but I think 60mm is a bit too much and I want to see about a different company for my cruiser after I wear them out.
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My Sml Coffee Cruisers weren’t so great. They’re soft and reasonably fast and quiet but not made very well. They come with this huge extra ring of urethane around them leftover from the mold that actually started to come apart and caused the wheels to chip and chunk. The plastic core also started cracking after a few weeks. On the other hand the Sml 92A wheels in 54mm are the best smaller 92A wheels I’ve ever skated. They’re much faster than Spitfire, Ricta or OJ’s 92A wheels and last quite a long time. They ride like a cruiser but can take more of a beating and don’t slow down on really smooth surfaces. They’re a bit hard to find as they’re really popular but I’m told they’re getting more in about a month. Also, the new Powell 80A Clear Cruisers are fantastic! I have them in 59mm but they’re coming out with 55’s as well if you want smaller.

No idea about Dial Tone yet but the urethane color looks just like Waywards and Sml’s AG Formula which are both poured at the same place so I wonder if they’re similar.
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Thanks for the heads up! Might have to try those 92a SML when I need a new set.

SML 92a succulent dream wheels are the truth. They are a great cruser wheel. The shape is close enough to a regular wheel that you will barely know you are not on a 99a. They are more bouncy and gummy than 99a wheels, so tech is out, but they will work for street an park mashing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 01, 2018, 07:24:04 PM
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What’s up with those new ojs?
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Haven't heard a thing. Wasn't 144p supposed to get samples or something?
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My friend is skating these 'elite' formulas and they feel a lot like more of a bones product.  Hard but not plasticky.....

I'm a weirdo and skate longboard bearings (race reds) so my complaint n/a to most but the cores on spits don't feel consistent....on my bones they do...pop right in and it feels even....
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Elite Urethane - Available June 4th, 2018.


Is OJ still canceled on the Forum?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on June 02, 2018, 09:34:47 PM
Anyone skated wreck wheels lately? Would like to hear some thoughts on them. Cheers.
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Post by: Xen on June 03, 2018, 09:08:48 AM
Anyone skated wreck wheels lately? Would like to hear some thoughts on them. Cheers.

No marketing to stay they switched forumlas but they are hard and take a bit of effort to slide. If you ride STFs or F4s I don't think you'd like them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on June 03, 2018, 02:29:00 PM
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Anyone skated wreck wheels lately? Would like to hear some thoughts on them. Cheers.
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No marketing to stay they switched forumlas but they are hard and take a bit of effort to slide. If you ride STFs or F4s I don't think you'd like them.


I'm a bit of a weirdo, I didn't like STF's or F4 99a. The bones gave me more feedback than I like and the F4 didn't give me enough. I'm really enjoying my insanathane 101a atm. I've just been curious about wreck since I first saw them but I've never tried a a set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2018, 02:39:00 PM
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Anyone skated wreck wheels lately? Would like to hear some thoughts on them. Cheers.
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No marketing to stay they switched forumlas but they are hard and take a bit of effort to slide. If you ride STFs or F4s I don't think you'd like them.
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I'm a bit of a weirdo, I didn't like STF's or F4 99a. The bones gave me more feedback than I like and the F4 didn't give me enough. I'm really enjoying my insanathane 101a atm. I've just been curious about wreck since I first saw them but I've never tried a a set.

If you like the OJ Insanes (of which I am a huge fan) you won't like the wrecks ;) Wrecks feel more like regular OJ formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on June 03, 2018, 02:44:03 PM
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Anyone skated wreck wheels lately? Would like to hear some thoughts on them. Cheers.
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No marketing to stay they switched forumlas but they are hard and take a bit of effort to slide. If you ride STFs or F4s I don't think you'd like them.
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I'm a bit of a weirdo, I didn't like STF's or F4 99a. The bones gave me more feedback than I like and the F4 didn't give me enough. I'm really enjoying my insanathane 101a atm. I've just been curious about wreck since I first saw them but I've never tried a a set.
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If you like the OJ Insanes (of which I am a huge fan) you won't like the wrecks ;) Wrecks feel more like regular OJ formula.

Night give them a miss then, thanks for the info.
Have you tried the 99a and 101a insanathane? If so which one did you like more?
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Post by: Cult_Follower on June 03, 2018, 08:08:45 PM
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What’s up with those new ojs?
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Haven't heard a thing. Wasn't 144p supposed to get samples or something?
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My friend is skating these 'elite' formulas and they feel a lot like more of a bones product.  Hard but not plasticky.....

I'm a weirdo and skate longboard bearings (race reds) so my complaint n/a to most but the cores on spits don't feel consistent....on my bones they do...pop right in and it feels even....
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Elite Urethane - Available June 4th, 2018.

(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34258573_10156251982458796_5501975740377202688_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeG0f3NsheNy4aGH9WksU3pSZ8Lze5VYrI-Y9frjGxhXF9SLC37eaOLV4VBXtS1YxBEcJF0c4TxJY7FKvdUZqA3CjQyQLTWzdOUhAm7keXmw_A&oh=0b739839bdb969d3289f7825c0ae305b&oe=5B851243)

Through the shop I work at, our nhs rep was able to flow us a few sets a couple weeks ago. Upon first glance they have a similar off white color to F4’s. The shape is like a conical full, but the riding surface is thinner than what I expected. Almost like the spits radial shape. They are definitely on the hard side, similar feel to bones, but not quite as much. I did get a flatspot after a couple days, but after 20 minutes or so at the local park they evened out and have sense been fine. My boss had a similar experience as well. Overall the wheels so far have provided a smooth ride, that’ll do well in any setting. If you still want to support Oj/nhs after what’s happened with Jason Jesse’s racist remarks, then I would recommend these. For me though these are a bit too hard for my taste and I’ve been a diehard spitfire rider since I was about 8. I will be going back to F4 99’s after a couple months of riding the elites.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2018, 09:24:03 PM
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Anyone skated wreck wheels lately? Would like to hear some thoughts on them. Cheers.
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No marketing to stay they switched forumlas but they are hard and take a bit of effort to slide. If you ride STFs or F4s I don't think you'd like them.
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I'm a bit of a weirdo, I didn't like STF's or F4 99a. The bones gave me more feedback than I like and the F4 didn't give me enough. I'm really enjoying my insanathane 101a atm. I've just been curious about wreck since I first saw them but I've never tried a a set.
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If you like the OJ Insanes (of which I am a huge fan) you won't like the wrecks ;) Wrecks feel more like regular OJ formula.
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Night give them a miss then, thanks for the info.
Have you tried the 99a and 101a insanathane? If so which one did you like more?

Only the 101s (in all three shapes of which I prefer: Hardline (thinnest)>Universal>EZ Edge

Looks like they're up for grabs at NHS and just a 'branch' of the insane-a-thanes, also, clearly off-white as noted above and in the photos:

"New and improved Insane-A-Thane ELITES formula by OJ. New ELITES urethane guarantees even more speed on any surface with the same quality and durability you've come to expect from Insane-A-Thane."

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/oj-wheels/all-wheels

If I flat my STFs, I'll pick some up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on June 04, 2018, 09:25:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxpTr65FmJU
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Post by: Xen on June 05, 2018, 07:14:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxpTr65FmJU

Too bad that video sucks...so the Brand Manager says they're fast and will last, tactics kid says they're grippy and he'd recommend them. Pretty weak 'review' by all accounts there @tactics, what about the rest of the crew's feedback?

Shitty review rant aside, I'm guessing they skate fine ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on June 05, 2018, 07:24:15 AM
Too bad that video sucks...so the Brand Manager says they're fast and will last, tactics kid says they're grippy and he'd recommend them. Pretty weak 'review' by all accounts there @tactics, what about the rest of the crew's feedback?

Shitty review rant aside, I'm guessing they skate fine ;)
No shit, right? A review by a severely interested party - compares them to no other brands, pretty much just says "they're better." I do like the shape, though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 05, 2018, 09:52:26 AM
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Too bad that video sucks...so the Brand Manager says they're fast and will last, tactics kid says they're grippy and he'd recommend them. Pretty weak 'review' by all accounts there @tactics, what about the rest of the crew's feedback?

Shitty review rant aside, I'm guessing they skate fine ;)
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No shit, right? A review by a severely interested party - compares them to no other brands, pretty much just says "they're better." I do like the shape, though.

http://ojwheels.com/elite-urethane

The Universal/Hard-edge (previously hardline) shapes are the thinnest, the EZ-Edge is round, like a classic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: B. Hopper on June 08, 2018, 03:42:17 PM
After nothing but Bones SPF and SF F4s 99 and 101s the last few years, I just set up a set of Reed Wheels 54mm. Killer feel and look great.
Gonna' try some Dummy Wheels soon too...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on June 20, 2018, 01:35:24 PM
opinions on pig wheels? anyone skated them lately?
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Post by: SneakySecrets on June 20, 2018, 03:30:21 PM
opinions on pig wheels? anyone skated them lately?

I’ve thought about the same thing.  I rode pigs whenI first started skating, so I am a little sentimental about them.  Same deal with Lucky hardware.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on June 20, 2018, 09:04:57 PM
Bought lucky hardware recently to give my daughter the mini dice. She was stoked. Just purchased some dial tone conical 99s. Will report back with my opinion after a couple sessions. Anyone else try them out yet?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on June 25, 2018, 08:11:35 AM
my dial tones flat spotted 3 times in 2 weeks but other than that they were okay.
back to f4's
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: brucewillis on June 25, 2018, 09:20:21 AM
i was riding the spitfire fomula fours 99's and switched to the classics because i've never tried them. Not a good decision, great feel but don't last. F4'S are the shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on June 25, 2018, 09:47:26 AM
Fuck Dave. You got me shook, I’m gonna try them out today, I love F4s like everyone but just wanna go back to riding nice crispy white wheels. If these don’t work I’ll probably go back to waywards.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: brucewillis on June 25, 2018, 10:14:13 AM
Fuck Dave. You got me shook, I’m gonna try them out today, I love F4s like everyone but just wanna go back to riding nice crispy white wheels. If these don’t work I’ll probably go back to waywards.
try the mike anderson SFW'S, those are the shit(if you find them)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on June 25, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Fuck Dave. You got me shook, I’m gonna try them out today, I love F4s like everyone but just wanna go back to riding nice crispy white wheels. If these don’t work I’ll probably go back to waywards.
They were really good otherwise. i wish i had more time to skate them because im sure broken in they would skate amazing but the flat spotting was too annoying
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 25, 2018, 10:55:19 AM
Been on STF V1s for a minute (with bones swiss six), previously on OJ Insane-a-thanes or spit F4s radials...and everything just feels slow compared to the OJs (or SPFs) in a park setting...I can't seem to find 53mm thin'ish wheels that are hard as rocks.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on June 25, 2018, 11:14:35 AM
Currently on SML. These feel nothing like the last set of SML I had. A year or so ago I tried the Knox Travel series and they felt like they were made from chewing gum. Slow and sticky as hell. It took me 30 minutes and they were off my board. Very odd because the set I had before that (Garcia wides) were great. Maybe the Knox wheels came from a bad batch. Anyway, these have been great.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1765/28135637597_9cefd07f31_c.jpg)

I got Crupie Petersen 52 up next. I agree with Will's earlier post, I keep going back to Crupie wheels. Xen - I posted this pic for you if you are looking for skinny wheels. It's hard to really get a good idea from this angle but these are THIN as hell. Pizza cutter thin! IMO wheel manus have closed the gap on Spitfire and there are a lot of good choices available.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/900/29131839348_f4ff65ffb7_b.jpg)
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Post by: TwisT on June 25, 2018, 12:24:04 PM


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/900/29131839348_f4ff65ffb7_b.jpg)

YES! I've been looking for then wheels! will look into crupie
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 25, 2018, 12:51:47 PM
Currently on SML. These feel nothing like the last set of SML I had. A year or so ago I tried the Knox Travel series and they felt like they were made from chewing gum. Slow and sticky as hell. It took me 30 minutes and they were off my board. Very odd because the set I had before that (Garcia wides) were great. Maybe the Knox wheels came from a bad batch. Anyway, these have been great.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1765/28135637597_9cefd07f31_c.jpg)

I got Crupie Petersen 52 up next. I agree with Will's earlier post, I keep going back to Crupie wheels. Xen - I posted this pic for you if you are looking for skinny wheels. It's hard to really get a good idea from this angle but these are THIN as hell. Pizza cutter thin! IMO wheel manus have closed the gap on Spitfire and there are a lot of good choices available.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/900/29131839348_f4ff65ffb7_b.jpg)

I rode some .sml wheels a while ago, they had a similar shape to the thin ABs we all liked (did you ever get them btw?) they were slow and mushy and wouldn't slide.

Those crupies are too thin for my taste ;) Looking for the old ricta pro design ricta tablet shap, like an STF V2 (which I should have nabbed instead of the V1s but they were onsale!) but with conical edges.

https://rictawheels.com/ (https://rictawheels.com/) has some narrow wheels in that shape under 30mm wide but always in 99a or 52mm - I'd only get Rictas again if they had 101s in that shape at 53mm ;)

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Post by: TwisT on June 25, 2018, 01:30:39 PM

https://rictawheels.com/ (https://rictawheels.com/) has some narrow wheels in that shape under 30mm wide but always in 99a or 52mm - I'd only get Rictas again if they had 101s in that shape at 53mm ;)

I have the Westgate naturals, 53mm 101a according to tactics they are 29.6mm (https://www.tactics.com/ricta/westgate-pro-naturals-skateboard-wheels/natural-101a) but they were the thinnest 53mm 101 I came across at the time. I got burned on some spitfire slims because they have a slim riding surface, are physically a bigger wheel than my ricta where. Autobahn if can find them on the thinner side.

I'm gonna remember crupie for my next setup
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Post by: Xen on June 25, 2018, 01:39:58 PM
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https://rictawheels.com/ (https://rictawheels.com/) has some narrow wheels in that shape under 30mm wide but always in 99a or 52mm - I'd only get Rictas again if they had 101s in that shape at 53mm ;)
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I have the Westgate naturals, 53mm 101a according to tactics they are 29.6mm (https://www.tactics.com/ricta/westgate-pro-naturals-skateboard-wheels/natural-101a) but they were the thinnest 53mm 101 I came across at the time. I got burned on some spitfire slims because they have a slim riding surface, are physically a bigger wheel than my ricta where. Autobahn if can find them on the thinner side.

I'm gonna remember crupie for my next setup

Those westgates were the 2.0 version, the 1.0 were much thinner; I had ordered a some Loy rictas (the purple ones) but sent them back as they were too wide. How did you like the 101s tho?

Looking for this! I'd grab some STF V2s if I wasn't sold on the STF feel still.

(http://systemsklep.pl/pol_pl_Kola-RICTA-Westgate-Pro-NRG-52mm-7993_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on July 10, 2018, 05:49:20 PM
What are the various SML shapes like compared to Spitfire? I've had Classics and Conicals, currently on 99A conicals, but wanna try something else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 11, 2018, 06:05:17 AM
guy on ebay selling some 54mm 101d f4s skated once for half the price of a normal set. might pull the trigger, whats the consensus on 99d vs 101d?
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Post by: brucewillis on July 11, 2018, 06:39:26 AM
guy on ebay selling some 54mm 101d f4s skated once for half the price of a normal set. might pull the trigger, whats the consensus on 99d vs 101d?
really think you should pull the trigger, both 99's and 101's are great, and half price is fire
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Post by: Jollyoli on July 11, 2018, 07:04:30 AM
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really think you should pull the trigger, both 99's and 101's are great, and half price is fire
^ agree, harder on the streets and fractionally slicker in the park. Make good skreeeetch. You're only gonna find out by trying them, and at half retail you have to roll the dice!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: baustin on July 11, 2018, 07:07:20 AM
guy on ebay selling some 54mm 101d f4s skated once for half the price of a normal set. might pull the trigger, whats the consensus on 99d vs 101d?

99d for more slippery surfaces especially skateparks. Dampens the feel of rough ground but can feel too slow sometimes (to me)

101d for me takes it for street skating. They don't give as easily so it can be a rough ride but they feel fast and slidey when I need them to be, and they still have that classic spitfire feel (not plasticky at all)

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Post by: Not Local on July 11, 2018, 08:17:04 AM
Both great. I prefer the 99s though. The 101s are a little slippery for my preference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Willie on July 15, 2018, 05:42:50 PM
Has anyone here skated "Powell Peralta" wheels? Specifically the 97a's?


They just popped up in a Google ad on my browser. I rode 97 G-Bones back in the day but I wonder how they would feel now?

I'm happy with 99 F4s on my regular setup but I would like something a little softer to cruise on. I currently have older DTFs on my "big" setup but they are super bouncy and sluggish.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 16, 2018, 01:41:42 PM
New Marketing...er wheels from NHS - right off the heels of the Elite Insane-a-thanes
(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/RI_Rapido_Decal_256x256.jpg)

(https://www.tactics.com/a/agg3/2/ricta-rapido-wide-skateboard-wheels-white-101a.webp)

slim, round (classic) and wide shapes (conical)

https://www.tactics.com/ricta

Slim 99a/ :(
(https://www.tactics.com/a/agg1/a/ricta-rapido-slim-skateboard-wheels-profile.webp)

Round 99a/101a
(https://www.tactics.com/a/agfx/a/ricta-rapido-round-skateboard-wheels-profile.webp)

Wide 101a
(https://www.tactics.com/a/agg4/a/ricta-rapido-wide-skateboard-wheels-profile.webp)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheVisitor on July 16, 2018, 06:12:39 PM
Does anyone know which factory is doing the AWS Clone Wheels? Anyone ride them that can give feedback?

Thanks.
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Post by: BMCsteve on July 20, 2018, 04:34:07 AM
digging small-ish fat wheels lately

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/838/43478741232_ca02fb03b0_z.jpg)
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Post by: Xen on July 20, 2018, 10:26:50 AM
digging small-ish fat wheels lately

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/838/43478741232_ca02fb03b0_z.jpg)

been eyeing those, the purple swirly ones, as I have been wanting to setup a wide and low board (8.3/.5 with thunder tis
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on July 20, 2018, 10:49:00 AM
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been eyeing those, the purple swirly ones, as I have been wanting to setup a wide and low board (8.3/.5 with thunder tis

Yup, I've got them on an 8.5 Real Full Shape and Thunder Ti

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1827/29660529308_be1159f0ae_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 24, 2018, 02:13:52 AM
Caved and ordered some OJ insaneathane 101as, 52mm. Will let you know how they perform.

As for swirl wheels, don't do it. I thought they looked cool but after a few weeks I was sick of them (and if you're like me and enjoy having a nice looking setup it's kinda hard to match them).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 28, 2018, 03:27:01 AM
Update; had my first session on the OJ's at what I'd say is definitely one of the slippiest parks around here. Definitely a change from the Formula Four full conicals as theyre way skinnier. OJ's are for sure on the grippier side in comparison to the F4's but not too dissimilar, could still get them to slide with relative ease. Also found they gripped in some places at that park I know the F4's would slide out on. I did note that when I've had certain wheels in the past known for being real slippy out the box ie STF's/F4's I'd be alot more nimble/careful the first session where as these were just chuck em on and hit the same lines straight away. Definitely a welcome change of pace.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 28, 2018, 09:59:57 PM
Elites?

Which shape?

If the made a slim wheel I'd bite, Hardlines we're my favorite shape, universals a close second .
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on July 29, 2018, 03:57:07 AM
"OJ Wheels Concentrates Insaneathane EZ Edge Skateboard Wheels 101a White 52mm"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on July 29, 2018, 05:07:57 PM
Riding the hardline OJ hardline Elites right now and theyre a lot better than all the ones ive had before. Its been a while since Ive had wheels from another brand so i may be out of touch though. Will chime back in about a month from now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 29, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xyDKgLu.jpg?1P)

going from ricta naturals 53mm to crupie 101a 53mm. At the time the ricta's were the slimmest wheels I could find, but crape shaved off quite a bit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 29, 2018, 06:50:58 PM
Glad I never blindly bit on those westgates, fucking wide....not sure why everyone is into wide ass wheels.

Those Crupes look nice, the newer pics [metrics] on their site are hard to gauge width (derp, let's shoot white on white and not adjust contrast....) + they don't respond to emails so I won't buy sight unseen.

Did you ride them yet? Curious how they stand up against the rictas in terms of hardness and slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 29, 2018, 07:45:42 PM
crupies are scarily slim. unless you skate perfect spots/parks only they're not very manageable. would have liked to skate mine more but it just couldnt handle rougher ground due to the slimness
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 30, 2018, 05:14:24 AM
It may be a week out two before I actually set them up. Waiting on a deck to show up and I’m traveling this week.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on July 30, 2018, 11:02:18 AM
Glad I never blindly bit on those westgates, fucking wide....not sure why everyone is into wide ass wheels.

Those Crupes look nice, the newer pics [metrics] on their site are hard to gauge width (derp, let's shoot white on white and not adjust contrast....) + they don't respond to emails so I won't buy sight unseen.

Did you ride them yet? Curious how they stand up against the rictas in terms of hardness and slide.

Not all Rictas are that wide. Just in their 'Naturals' series alone there was a variety of widths. They're not all the same. I bought a set of Hoefler Naturals (52) that are as skinny as those Crupie.

Specifically comparing Ricta NRG to Crupie...the Ricta NRG formula is really the best for slide, hands down. I am as neurotic about my wheels as you guys are about your trucks. I've been on the neverending quest to find my next favorite wheel after Autobahn stopped making the Brezinski slim, and at the moment the Ricta NRG is my favorite. The tablet shape, and the slide is perfect. I hate sounding like a damn advertisement but the slides are effortless. Crupie will give you a little more bite when you want them too, even the skinniest profile they offer. I like Crupie bc they're a great all around wheel. They will slide when you want, grip when you need.

Not to confuse the conversation, but that last set of SML I skated (Suciu slim) really have me messed up because they are killer and NOTHING like the gummy, soft mess that were the SML Knox travel series I had a year or two ago.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on July 30, 2018, 11:11:19 AM
F4 with the classic logo! Shout out humidity! Hope to see y'all again soon.
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_2627f6006b4943dea4686842b6bdb9d1~mv2_d_3024_3024_s_4_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_250,h_250,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_2627f6006b4943dea4686842b6bdb9d1~mv2_d_3024_3024_s_4_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 30, 2018, 12:22:12 PM
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Glad I never blindly bit on those westgates, fucking wide....not sure why everyone is into wide ass wheels.

Those Crupes look nice, the newer pics [metrics] on their site are hard to gauge width (derp, let's shoot white on white and not adjust contrast....) + they don't respond to emails so I won't buy sight unseen.

Did you ride them yet? Curious how they stand up against the rictas in terms of hardness and slide.
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Not all Rictas are that wide. Just in their 'Naturals' series alone there was a variety of widths. They're not all the same. I bought a set of Hoefler Naturals (52) that are as skinny as those Crupie.

Specifically comparing Ricta NRG to Crupie...the Ricta NRG formula is really the best for slide, hands down. I am as neurotic about my wheels as you guys are about your trucks. I've been on the neverending quest to find my next favorite wheel after Autobahn stopped making the Brezinski slim, and at the moment the Ricta NRG is my favorite. The tablet shape, and the slide is perfect. I hate sounding like a damn advertisement but the slides are effortless. Crupie will give you a little more bite when you want them too, even the skinniest profile they offer. I like Crupie bc they're a great all around wheel. They will slide when you want, grip when you need.

brenzinski is on crupie now. Ricta doesn't make a slim bigger than 52mm. I haven't seen any in person and just doing research I haven't found any online from the few sites that list width. I was skating speedring's before and I loved them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on July 30, 2018, 12:36:32 PM
Twist - Yes, Brezinski is on Crupie now. My post says since Autobahn stopped making the Brezinski slim.

Here is a pic of my Ricta Hoefler Naturals. They are indeed a slim profile:

EDIT: Ah ok, I misunderstood what you were saying. You are looking above 52. These are 52.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/43697329982_c1a9e72d7a_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 30, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
Twist - Yes, Brezinski is on Crupie now. My post says since Autobahn stopped making the Brezinski slim.

Here is a pic of my Ricta Hoefler Naturals. They are indeed a slim profile:

EDIT: Ah ok, I misunderstood what you were saying. You are looking above 52. These are 52.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/43697329982_c1a9e72d7a_c.jpg

yup, I skate 53's sorry if I wasn't clear. there's a width jump from 52mm to 53mm that brands do and it drives me nuts. Bones does it as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on July 30, 2018, 01:25:15 PM
Twist - nah that was my bad, I misread your post.

And I know exactly what you're saying. I've been on slim profile wheels for so long that everything else looks like monster truck tires to me. And specifically to your point, I was looking at Bones and didn't understand the sizable jump in width just from 51 to 53.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2018, 06:13:05 PM
Twist - Yes, Brezinski is on Crupie now. My post says since Autobahn stopped making the Brezinski slim.

Here is a pic of my Ricta Hoefler Naturals. They are indeed a slim profile:

EDIT: Ah ok, I misunderstood what you were saying. You are looking above 52. These are 52.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/940/43697329982_c1a9e72d7a_c.jpg)

I was going to bite on these but passed due to them being 99a (I wanted 101a) having ridden the pro nrgs Sandovals (perfect fucking shape/width)...then the whole fucking industry said, FUCKYEAH WIDE WHEELS BITCHES....

I'm going to bite on the new Ricta 'rapidos' (terrible name), probably go wide for 101 as the slims are only 99a (wtf? the only wheel out of the three to not get a 101...do techies only ride 99a or something?)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on July 30, 2018, 10:00:25 PM
Does anyone know which factory is doing the AWS Clone Wheels? Anyone ride them that can give feedback?

Thanks.

I don’t know the factory but I have ridden the 83b more pricy ones and they feel like if you took a spitfire classic and added the capabilities and feel of a bones stf

They slide and stuff more like an stf and kinda feel like an stf but most of the time pushing it’ll feel like a spitfire classic then when you start sliding and rolling on certain terrain the stf feel will kick In

Overall they’re like if you took the wheels of a complete board(those Darkstar competes or whatever) and made them competitive with what’s the top of the market wheels of today, they slide and are very flat spot resistant but still feel kinda generic

Speaking of generic, has anyone here ever tried Darkstar master urethane wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 02, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
Loved the NRG formula.  Definitely trying these next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUT8w0KDM8
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 02, 2018, 03:08:40 PM
i can't decide which wheels to get for cruising. i had the bones rough riders 56mm 80a but i noticed they act like magnets for any metal debris that are on the streets. i was looking at the slime ball wheels 90a but i'm not sure what to get. i like the rough riders a lot but i think i need a harder wheel.

any advice?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on August 02, 2018, 07:23:06 PM
i can't decide which wheels to get for cruising. i had the bones rough riders 56mm 80a but i noticed they act like magnets for any metal debris that are on the streets. i was looking at the slime ball wheels 90a but i'm not sure what to get. i like the rough riders a lot but i think i need a harder wheel.

any advice?

Powell G-Slides are pretty similar to the Rough Riders, just harder.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2018, 09:22:42 PM
Loved the NRG formula.  Definitely trying these next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUT8w0KDM8

I was going to bite but wanted the slims and they only come in 99a and they restrict duro to height on the round shape  - pretty lame.

FWIW, the wides and rounds are just about mm for mm to spitfire conicals and classics width and height ratios, i.e., 52mm rounds are the same width as 52mm classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 03, 2018, 05:50:31 AM
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Loved the NRG formula.  Definitely trying these next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUT8w0KDM8
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I was going to bite but wanted the slims and they only come in 99a and they restrict duro to height on the round shape  - pretty lame.

FWIW, the wides and rounds are just about mm for mm to spitfire conicals and classics width and height ratios, i.e., 52mm rounds are the same width as 52mm classics.

the review says they're pretty slick so I'm guessing a 101 with a slim riding surface might kill you
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 03, 2018, 08:25:19 AM
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Loved the NRG formula.  Definitely trying these next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdUT8w0KDM8
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I was going to bite but wanted the slims and they only come in 99a and they restrict duro to height on the round shape  - pretty lame.

FWIW, the wides and rounds are just about mm for mm to spitfire conicals and classics width and height ratios, i.e., 52mm rounds are the same width as 52mm classics.
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the review says they're pretty slick so I'm guessing a 101 with a slim riding surface might kill you

While it may be true, I don't trust these SW reviews as far as NHS can pay them :) I was set on some 101 slims but  no go; picked up some purple spits instead!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on August 05, 2018, 08:51:41 PM
Just tonight I realized how neurotic I've been getting about my wheels. For the past few weeks I've been regretting giving away my 99a F4's, but I have a second set that are perfectly fine.. they're just green. I haven't been able to get comfortable with them, but its seems way too ridiculous to let wheels go to waste because they're not the right colour.

I'm gonna skate them and get over this.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2018, 09:12:22 PM
Just tonight I realized how neurotic I've been getting about my wheels. For the past few weeks I've been regretting giving away my 99a F4's, but I have a second set that are perfectly fine.. they're just green. I haven't been able to get comfortable with them, but its seems way too ridiculous to let wheels go to waste because they're not the right colour.

I'm gonna skate them and get over this.

I'm skating some purple f4s and they work just like the regular ones ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on August 05, 2018, 09:22:30 PM
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Just tonight I realized how neurotic I've been getting about my wheels. For the past few weeks I've been regretting giving away my 99a F4's, but I have a second set that are perfectly fine.. they're just green. I haven't been able to get comfortable with them, but its seems way too ridiculous to let wheels go to waste because they're not the right colour.

I'm gonna skate them and get over this.
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I'm skating some purple f4s and they work just like the regular ones ;)

There's kids in africa that don't even have wheels!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nsskater1993 on August 06, 2018, 04:14:32 AM
Picked up some red 54 mm bones skatepark formula clears. I've been wanting to try them for a while now that we got a nice park to skate in town. Interested to see the difference in feel between the stfs and spfs in a park setting.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on August 07, 2018, 01:18:16 AM
Picked up some red 54 mm bones skatepark formula clears. I've been wanting to try them for a while now that we got a nice park to skate in town. Interested to see the difference in feel between the stfs and spfs in a park setting.

Clears always look like they'd ride like a cruiser wheel to me. Let us know if they ride like regular SPFs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nsskater1993 on August 08, 2018, 03:27:47 AM
It's funny that you mention that because they almost feel like a cruiser wheel when holding them in my hand. I haven't got a chance to skate them yet but they feel interesting. I also haven't tried regular SPF's so wouldn't really be able to speak on how they'd compare unfortunately. Anybody with experience with SPF's want to give me a quick review so I can see if there's any difference?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on August 08, 2018, 12:59:18 PM
It's funny that you mention that because they almost feel like a cruiser wheel when holding them in my hand. I haven't got a chance to skate them yet but they feel interesting. I also haven't tried regular SPF's so wouldn't really be able to speak on how they'd compare unfortunately. Anybody with experience with SPF's want to give me a quick review so I can see if there's any difference?

I haven't had a pair in years, but i remember they sounded dull on the pavement and they were grippy at the skatepark. I didn’t like them that much.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 08, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
I've ridden both (in parks) and they feel the same. They're hard and grippy but slick IF they break free (like anything would be but these feel like ice at times); surprisingly they didn't feel softer like the Ricta Super Crystals do when compared to regular 'than of the same duro...but even if the clears WERE softer than regular SPS, it would still be hard to tell as they're both HAF.

Isn't most urethane clear to start and has to have pigment added to it?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on August 08, 2018, 03:00:56 PM
I've ridden both (in parks) and they feel the same. They're hard and grippy but slick IF they break free (like anything would be but these feel like ice at times); surprisingly they didn't feel softer like the Ricta Super Crystals do when compared to regular 'than of the same duro...but even if the clears WERE softer than regular SPS, it would still be hard to tell as they're both HAF.

Isn't most urethane clear to start and has to have pigment added to it?

That's what I've heard. Personally, I'm waiting for the return of our lord and saviour jesus christ to come back and set the record straight.. And start a new wheel company that's gonna blow everyone away.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blo0mz on August 08, 2018, 03:01:12 PM
Best wheels for a semi-rough street?

I live in New York just outside the city and my street is not nicely paved... it's not 100% shit but you definitely lose speed pretty quick. I'm running some old-ass 100a Spitfire 51mm F1 Classic Shapes. Anyone think upgrading would make a big difference? Thinking about trying the F4 conical fulls @ 99a 53 or 54mm. Or should I just save my money and deal with it?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on August 08, 2018, 03:10:43 PM
Best wheels for a semi-rough street?

I live in New York just outside the city and my street is not nicely paved... it's not 100% shit but you definitely lose speed pretty quick. I'm running some old-ass 100a Spitfire 51mm F1 Classic Shapes. Anyone think upgrading would make a big difference? Thinking about trying the F4 conical fulls @ 99a 53 or 54mm. Or should I just save my money and deal with it?

I would say just pull the trigger on the F4 99a's, they're great wheels, you won't regret it. Just going to the new formula with a slightly bigger shape should help.

If you really want something for crusty/janky pavement, I'd look for some of those OJ ditch witches, I just took mine out for a spin yesterday. They smooth things out, while still riding and sliding (almost) like a regular street wheel (they're 92a).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on August 12, 2018, 11:13:06 PM
Can anybody recommend wide, Hard, around 99A, round wheels?
Not conicals.
My favorite wheels for a long time were spitfires 58mm F1 park burners. Conical.
Recently I got some 95a or so Cab wheel nice shape. Really round, wide, and they were around 56mm. Only problem is the softness of it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 13, 2018, 02:22:03 AM
Spitfire radials are pretty wide but not the boxy conical sort
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TooManyPros on August 13, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
Can anybody recommend wide, Hard, around 99A, round wheels?
Not conicals.
My favorite wheels for a long time were spitfires 58mm F1 park burners. Conical.
Recently I got some 95a or so Cab wheel nice shape. Really round, wide, and they were around 56mm. Only problem is the softness of it.

Bones P5
OJ EZ-Edge
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on August 14, 2018, 12:11:24 AM
Thanks guys for the replies. I checked out the suggestions but the closest were the radials. I was looking at something that has the same shape but it is no longer available.
http://www.pusherwheels.com/product/jake-rupp-guest-pro-model
I really like the shape. So good. Any other suggestions? I spent hours looking for those wheels and they are gone everywhere.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 14, 2018, 01:44:07 AM
I’ve set up some waywards but I just don’t know... I think formula fours spoiled me too much 😢
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hmmmokay on August 14, 2018, 07:38:50 AM
I’ve set up some waywards but I just don’t know... I think formula fours spoiled me too much 😢

I'm really enjoying my Wayward's right now. I have the 52mm Round Cuts, which is the first non-conical shape (and smallest size) I've skated in years. Like yourself before these I had been skating F4's religiously but so far no flat spots or anything so I'm content. My initial reason for buying was to try something completely different, but not too sure if I'll get another set because I feel like they're gonna turn to dust way quicker than Spitfires.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Not Local on August 14, 2018, 08:13:40 AM
Really been enjoying some 60mm 95a Bullets I had lying around for a long time. No chance of blunt slides or nose slides but everything else works. Not something I'd use permanently but I dig the nostalgic ride and I doubt I'l be able to flat spot them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 14, 2018, 04:53:59 PM
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I’ve set up some waywards but I just don’t know... I think formula fours spoiled me too much 😢
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I'm really enjoying my Wayward's right now. I have the 52mm Round Cuts, which is the first non-conical shape (and smallest size) I've skated in years. Like yourself before these I had been skating F4's religiously but so far no flat spots or anything so I'm content. My initial reason for buying was to try something completely different, but not too sure if I'll get another set because I feel like they're gonna turn to dust way quicker than Spitfires.
do yours slide? I usually ride 99 F4 and these 101 waywards just seem really chalky and non cooperative, I’m hoping it’s just because I have worn through the grooves on them yet?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hmmmokay on August 14, 2018, 05:28:32 PM
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I’ve set up some waywards but I just don’t know... I think formula fours spoiled me too much 😢
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I'm really enjoying my Wayward's right now. I have the 52mm Round Cuts, which is the first non-conical shape (and smallest size) I've skated in years. Like yourself before these I had been skating F4's religiously but so far no flat spots or anything so I'm content. My initial reason for buying was to try something completely different, but not too sure if I'll get another set because I feel like they're gonna turn to dust way quicker than Spitfires.
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do yours slide? I usually ride 99 F4 and these 101 waywards just seem really chalky and non cooperative, I’m hoping it’s just because I have worn through the grooves on them yet?

I was going to comment on the slide in my original post and I couldn't quite find the way to describe it, but chalky sums it up perfectly.  That said, I can get them to slide but it does seem as though it takes some effort whereas the 99 F4s seem as though they can be more controllable, and feel more natural.  To add to that chalky-ness, they feel like they're going to wear away just a quick as a piece of sidewalk chalk so in the end they may not be worth it for the pricepoint.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SouthpawTRK on August 15, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on August 15, 2018, 12:49:55 AM
I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated.
I skate mostly 58mm till they get to 53mm or so, but I recently switched to some SML 54 mm due to wheel bite and its a great compromise, not my favorite size or shape but still pretty good....still searching for the perfect wheel.....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SouthpawTRK on August 15, 2018, 10:41:31 AM
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I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated.
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I skate mostly 58mm till they get to 53mm or so, but I recently switched to some SML 54 mm due to wheel bite and its a great compromise, not my favorite size or shape but still pretty good....still searching for the perfect wheel.....

Thanks for the reply to my post and all of the helpful info!  I think I'm going to try some 54mm's first and see how they work out.  I realize that it's only a couple of mm's smaller than a 56, but we'll see what happens. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
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I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated.
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I skate mostly 58mm till they get to 53mm or so, but I recently switched to some SML 54 mm due to wheel bite and its a great compromise, not my favorite size or shape but still pretty good....still searching for the perfect wheel.....
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Thanks for the reply to my post and all of the helpful info!  I think I'm going to try some 54mm's first and see how they work out.  I realize that it's only a couple of mm's smaller than a 56, but we'll see what happens.

The jump from 54 to 56, while only 2mm seems soooo massive underfoot; I tend to keep it at 54mm max (I don't skate vert or giant bowls).

GT, Barros, etc., ride smaller wheels and they blast.
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Post by: SouthpawTRK on August 15, 2018, 11:17:35 PM
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I've been riding 56mm Spitfire Formula Four Full Conicals (99a), but have been thinking about going a bit smaller.  With the 56mm's I tend to get more wheel bite due to looser trucks and not wanting to ride a riser pad.  I'm debating on either going to a 54mm or 52mm (as well as going from Full Conicals to Classics).  Anyone that has any helpful insight would be greatly appreciated.
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I skate mostly 58mm till they get to 53mm or so, but I recently switched to some SML 54 mm due to wheel bite and its a great compromise, not my favorite size or shape but still pretty good....still searching for the perfect wheel.....
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Thanks for the reply to my post and all of the helpful info!  I think I'm going to try some 54mm's first and see how they work out.  I realize that it's only a couple of mm's smaller than a 56, but we'll see what happens.
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The jump from 54 to 56, while only 2mm seems soooo massive underfoot; I tend to keep it at 54mm max (I don't skate vert or giant bowls).

GT, Barros, etc., ride smaller wheels and they blast.

Thanks Xen for the info as well!  I'm sure that the change from 56mm to 54mm will be a much different feel.  Thanks also for the info about GT and Barros; did not know they skated wheels in that size. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on August 24, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
So, this is maybe a weird question, but I'm gonna ask...

Am I doing it wrong if I get a flat spot and I just say fuck it and go get some new wheels? I'm a grown man with a decent job...it's not like I am 21 and eating tuna straight from the can (which isn't bad and it sustained me). I can afford some more wheels when I want them.

Or am I expected to be core and just push through and hope it smooths out? Because I kinda feel like, "fuck that...I like smooth and fast."

Thanks for everything.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beer and Peanuts on August 24, 2018, 06:14:15 PM
So, this is maybe a weird question, but I'm gonna ask...

Am I doing it wrong if I get a flat spot and I just say fuck it and go get some new wheels? I'm a grown man with a decent job...it's not like I am 21 and eating tuna straight from the can (which isn't bad and it sustained me). I can afford some more wheels when I want them.

Or am I expected to be core and just push through and hope it smooths out? Because I kinda feel like, "fuck that...I like smooth and fast."

Thanks for everything.

Nah, flat spots suck - you’re doing the right thing. I’m in a similar situation. I usually only get to skate on weekends and I’d rather enjoy myself than put up with shitty gear.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Not Local on August 24, 2018, 07:06:55 PM
So, this is maybe a weird question, but I'm gonna ask...

Am I doing it wrong if I get a flat spot and I just say fuck it and go get some new wheels? I'm a grown man with a decent job...it's not like I am 21 and eating tuna straight from the can (which isn't bad and it sustained me). I can afford some more wheels when I want them.

Or am I expected to be core and just push through and hope it smooths out? Because I kinda feel like, "fuck that...I like smooth and fast."

Thanks for everything.

I get great satisfaction working flat spots out. I've got a supply of wheels but I'd rather bomb some hills to avoid all that urethane ending up in a landfill prematurely.

I rarely get them though as I use Spitfire Formula Fours nearly all the time and if I do get one its small and irons out pretty quick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on August 25, 2018, 02:44:35 PM
Currently on some F4 Conical 54s 99d and want a bit of a change. I'm tossing up between two 101d wheels, a 52 slim and a 55 conical. I skate a slippery park and mostly skate the round rail and ledges and some small transition. My local doesn't have any 99d wheels in atm otherwise i'd be skating them. As the park is slippery i'm aiming more towards the 55s but I get wheelbite (really loose trucks) on my 54s so this would be even worse. I thought a 52 with a slim profile might making locking into grinds and slides a bit easier too...

What would you skate??
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on August 25, 2018, 02:53:58 PM
^ 99s. Wheel size has absolutely nothing to do with grip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hangontoyourego on August 25, 2018, 04:52:06 PM
Currently on some F4 Conical 54s 99d and want a bit of a change. I'm tossing up between two 101d wheels, a 52 slim and a 55 conical. I skate a slippery park and mostly skate the round rail and ledges and some small transition. My local doesn't have any 99d wheels in atm otherwise i'd be skating them. As the park is slippery i'm aiming more towards the 55s but I get wheelbite (really loose trucks) on my 54s so this would be even worse. I thought a 52 with a slim profile might making locking into grinds and slides a bit easier too...

What would you skate??

I would try 52 lock ins . I wouldn’t try slims @ a Park .
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on August 27, 2018, 09:53:26 AM
^ 99s. Wheel size has absolutely nothing to do with grip.
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface. The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on August 27, 2018, 10:45:44 AM
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Yes, this is usually the case.

The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.

This on the other hand is not true. Grip is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This is basic physics. Here's a video with a demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 27, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
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The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.
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Yes, this is usually the case.

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The bigger the riding surface, the more grip you get.
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This on the other hand is not true. Grip is not dependent on the size of the surface area. This is basic physics. Here's a video with a demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/517/111/fbd.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hmmmokay on August 28, 2018, 07:25:52 AM
After skating them for about 5 weeks, I can say that my current set of Waywards will be my last. They start out fantastic, and in the set-up thread I praised them with about a week of skating on them. However, they wear down quickly and end up having a very slow, mushy feeling to their roll. In my opinion, Formula Fours/Bones almost always keep a consistent feeling even after a heavy decrease in size, so it's back to one of those two for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on August 28, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Bigger riding surface usually means greater weight.

The greater the weight, the more grip you get.

Fixed: surface area doesn't matter, weight does* thanks ROISTO!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on August 28, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
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The bigger the wheel, the bigger the riding surface.

Bigger riding surface usually means greater weight.

The greater the weight, the more grip you get.
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Fixed: surface area doesn't matter, weight does* thanks ROISTO!

NP. Weight differences between different size wheels on a skateboard set up with a rider on it is completely negligible though. If you wanna slide better, lose some weight or if you want more grips gain a whole bunch of weight, or just buy the 99s instead.  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 29, 2018, 09:55:55 AM
Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crowd seems to go wide and 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on August 29, 2018, 11:13:09 AM
Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
:o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on August 29, 2018, 11:50:10 AM
Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crows seem to go wide, 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)

Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?

(https://i.redd.it/lv70dat46ukz.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on August 29, 2018, 11:57:47 AM
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Not sure why there trend is wider wheels these days...more urethane for the same cost as a thinner wheel for no real added benefit (companies are losing out! :))?  I suppose wider wheels are smoother and possibly faster when dealing with shitty terrain and cracks but that's about...

Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
Round edge design for control, speed, and a responsive slide

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
Thinner, lighter hand cut round edge design for more control, speed and ultra responsive slide.

CONICAL FULL
Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere

CLASSIC SHAPE
The #1 Shape in skateboarding worldwide - proven for speed and control.

It's all hyperbole but by the language, the radial slims would be the best followed by the conical full

Bones:
V3: reduced friction easier slides
V4: For skaters that like a wider wheel

(oddly the V4 and v5 are tagged as having a higher resistance to flat spots than the other wheels).

Rounded roll over [pool] coping better
Straight cuts lock into ledges better
thinner = less weight
wider = heavier
Taller = faster
Smaller = accelerate quickly, slower top seed
Harder = quicker on smooth concrete, but slower on shitty terrain
Softer = higher top speed on shitty terrain
Narrow contact patch = quicker (because there is less friction on the rolling surface, think road bike tires) not DRAG on slides
Wider = more stable at high speeds? Maybe?

Sooooooo

Longboarders = speed, stability and smoothness soft big wheels

Tech = light, speed, small, narrow, hard wheels

The hesh crows seem to go wide, 99a

Bowls/vert = speed so bigger and harder wheels (tho many ogs, live Alva go soft)
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Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?

(https://i.redd.it/lv70dat46ukz.png)

It's gonna be a facet of the video parts soon...

"dude did that big flip back blunt with just regular control!"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 29, 2018, 12:39:29 PM
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Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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:o



Do I need unmatched control, control, or more control?

(https://i.redd.it/lv70dat46ukz.png)
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You'd think unmatched control right? how could just control or more control outweigh unmatched control?

UNMATCHED CONTROL

UNMATCHED
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on August 29, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
I didn't know I was a "hesh crow"..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 30, 2018, 03:53:59 AM
Anyone try Portland wheel co.?

They don't really make a skinny wheel which is a shame but I've been super curious lately.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on September 03, 2018, 01:18:53 PM
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on September 03, 2018, 08:47:10 PM
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 

maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 03, 2018, 09:22:32 PM
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Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
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nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 

maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.
yeah, I can't even tell whether my new waywards suck or if it's because they still have tread on them...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 04, 2018, 05:41:28 AM
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no modern street wheel should have tread.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 04, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
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Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
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nuisance, waste of material, carry over from outdated designs/processes that were more concerned with slalom or some shit.  also puts any wheel that is not an F4 or stf at an even further disadvantage for being considered a viable option because it slows the wheel and has a level of grip that has nothing to do with the life of the wheel in general. 



maybe folks riding slick ramps might think different, but in my opinion no modern street wheel should have tread.
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yeah, I can't even tell whether my new waywards suck or if it's because they still have tread on them...

New Waywards have treads now?

Honestly I always thought treads were due to the manufacturing process (cutting them down or something)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nopes on September 04, 2018, 04:28:39 PM
anyone ride arrow wheels? who makes them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on September 06, 2018, 07:26:16 AM
Is there are reason wheels have treads? Like is it just from the manufacturing process? is it an aesthetic thing? There can't be a performance benefit, because they're gone in the first session.
It makes them seem really smooth and fast, so when you first get the wheel you think, "ahhh this is nice" until you get a flatspot on a powerslide or something similar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 06, 2018, 05:17:39 PM
New Waywards have treads now?
I think they're a fairly old pair. Anyway, I had to ditch them, formula fours have officially got me hooked for life
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on September 08, 2018, 09:10:54 AM
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Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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:o

  Well 'control' could mean 'grip' ( as I think your insinuating) but it also could mean manuverability in which case the more narrow wheel would give you more 'control'.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2018, 08:21:06 PM
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Spitfire's marketing:

RADIAL SHAPE
 control

RADIAL SLIM SHAPE
more control
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:o
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  Well 'control' could mean 'grip' ( as I think your insinuating) but it also could mean manuverability in which case the more narrow wheel would give you more 'control'.

I'm not insinuating anything, that's Spitfire's actual marketing language (taken from their website) so it would be them, not me ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: baustin on September 10, 2018, 12:17:48 PM
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?

It's personal and based on what you skate. I'd skate 51s and a lower truck (ACE/Thunder/Venture) all day if I never touched tranny. One of my favorite setups were ACE los, a real lowpro and 50mm wheels, loved that thing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on September 10, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?

In the last few years I have steadily sized down from wide 54 to skinny/tablet 52 and haven't looked back. Now 54s look like tractor tires to me. In the early 00's I couldn't imagine going below 55. Bones STF V2 recently caught my eye but they only come in 51 or 53, so I am deliberating giving 51 a go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: schralp pal on September 10, 2018, 03:32:05 PM
What wheel shape is best for coping, I usually ride conical fulls, but am starting to wonder if they make it more difficult to come back in fakie from 5-0s...

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2018, 04:28:56 PM
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What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
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In the last few years I have steadily sized down from wide 54 to skinny/tablet 52 and haven't looked back. Now 54s look like tractor tires to me. In the early 00's I couldn't imagine going below 55. Bones STF V2 recently caught my eye but they only come in 51 or 53, so I am deliberating giving 51 a go.

I KNEW IT! :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jollyoli on September 11, 2018, 03:03:26 AM
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?

A couple of mm's is a big thing, I find it more of a switch than deck width.
My area is crusty and my local park is ancient so had to settle with a compromise between retaining speed/flip control/wheel bite. Downsizing for ledge work feels good untill I have to push downhill or hyper-pump just to hit the next lip.
Got to find your own Goldilocks zone.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on September 12, 2018, 12:52:16 AM
What wheel shape is best for coping, I usually ride conical fulls, but am starting to wonder if they make it more difficult to come back in fakie from 5-0s...

My lack of balls is a far greater impediment to my 5-0 fakies than my wheel choice
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 12, 2018, 04:05:25 AM
i cannot for the fucking life of me figure out 5-0 fakies
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on September 12, 2018, 06:45:52 AM
i cannot for the fucking life of me figure out 5-0 fakies
Don't turn your shoulders, weight on your toes coming in, that's my advice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 12, 2018, 10:05:24 AM
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i cannot for the fucking life of me figure out 5-0 fakies
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Don't turn your shoulders, weight on your toes coming in, that's my advice.

It's all in the back foot, watch this dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSg9zqc6WWY
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 14, 2018, 03:09:53 AM
anyone tried speedlab wheels? wanting to jump back up to an 8.75 and chuck some 58s on there, debating wheel choices. nothing but good things with the OJ's ive had for nearly 2 months now just fancy a change and to be back on a wider wheel. also looking at 58mm spf 84bs or just bog standard spitfire classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on September 14, 2018, 12:40:02 PM
anyone tried speedlab wheels? wanting to jump back up to an 8.75 and chuck some 58s on there, debating wheel choices. nothing but good things with the OJ's ive had for nearly 2 months now just fancy a change and to be back on a wider wheel. also looking at 58mm spf 84bs or just bog standard spitfire classics.

Yes I have, they suck. Soft, slow, crazy grippy. And these were supposed to be a 99 duro or something.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mystical Leader on September 17, 2018, 06:27:33 AM
Bought the wayward tx wheel. Round slim cut 50mm 99a..

First day trying my wheels felt okay. My last wheel were spitfire f4 classic shape.. The best wheel there is so I'm not sure if I like these better..

The shape is nice though..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 18, 2018, 12:25:41 AM
What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
I have ridden 52mm only since my first set up but I have been wanting to size down for a while now.

Well I just got some 50mm classics (F4's) and rode them all day with no wheel bite and my noseslides on curbs felt as good as ever.

Plus I ride an 8.5 with 149 Indys and I love the look of a super small wheel on it!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 18, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
Bought the wayward tx wheel. Round slim cut 50mm 99a..

First day trying my wheels felt okay. My last wheel were spitfire f4 classic shape.. The best wheel there is so I'm not sure if I like these better..

The shape is nice though..

The Wayward round slim shape is great, closer to a bones V1 than a classic. Waywards felt slower than F4s to me on smooth concrete.

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What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
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I have ridden 52mm only since my first set up but I have been wanting to size down for a while now.

Well I just got some 50mm classics (F4's) and rode them all day with no wheel bite and my noseslides on curbs felt as good as ever.

Plus I ride an 8.5 with 149 Indys and I love the look of a super small wheel on it!

I'm with you!

Currently attempting to re-build one of my favorties setups: 8.3, low 149s (haven't decided yet, the old setup had the old thudne 149s back when they were super low) and skinny small wheels:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qEvJGvBhuD2ecbrG-125qMrcu6OlW9b99f2j-1XWZjNrmLB-9FXCzx1WSPycUJgmHut63hnOFUHEIK0KGjbKsXVRaWinqJQMYsZfMRWc5AWGcYobcV3jfJpjhF5rawoMUjdvSTD3l5U=w2400)


Got the deck and wheels, just need trucks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Switch_fsflip_noseslide on September 18, 2018, 02:53:17 PM
Got two sets of dialtone wheels. Both skate great. Fast with no flatspots.

54mms conical and 52 grove conical.


Waiting to skate the kader spitfire 58mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on September 18, 2018, 07:40:50 PM
Do those Kaders have 1 different colored wheel or something? Or did I miss his name on them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 18, 2018, 08:15:04 PM
Do those Kaders have 1 different colored wheel or something? Or did I miss his name on them?

It's just a colorway (green ink/font).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fartface on September 19, 2018, 02:16:49 AM
Im thinking about upsizing my wheels from a conical full 54mm 99 to a 56mm classics full 99.
Have any of you guys had any experince with that?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on September 19, 2018, 07:22:24 AM
Im thinking about upsizing my wheels from a conical full 54mm 99 to a 56mm classics full 99.
Have any of you guys had any experince with that?

Depends on what trucks you skate and if you use risers.  on both Ace and Indy 54 to 56 was a big increase in wheelbite with no risers but still somewhat manageable.  If you skate Thunders, forget about it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 19, 2018, 08:23:20 AM
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Im thinking about upsizing my wheels from a conical full 54mm 99 to a 56mm classics full 99.
Have any of you guys had any experince with that?
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Depends on what trucks you skate and if you use risers.  on both Ace and Indy 54 to 56 was a big increase in wheelbite with no risers but still somewhat manageable.  If you skate Thunders, forget about it

At 56 on anything other than Indys with Gravity Cast plates you'll need risers or tight ass trucks.  But hey, Kader does it ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: burn_to_live on September 20, 2018, 06:45:33 AM
Are the standard Spitfire Classics any good? I usually skate the F4s, but they are 25 bucks and have the old spitfire logo i really like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jollyoli on September 20, 2018, 06:52:26 AM
Are the standard Spitfire Classics any good? I usually skate the F4s, but they are 25 bucks and have the old spitfire logo i really like.

Out the box it's all good and the slide is nice and skreetchy but I miss the creamy slide and speed retention of the F4's. Nice to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. You want to live the high life, you have to pay the high rates. F4's are doing the "classic" graphic soon. Check the F4 thread.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: burn_to_live on September 20, 2018, 06:49:50 PM
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Are the standard Spitfire Classics any good? I usually skate the F4s, but they are 25 bucks and have the old spitfire logo i really like.
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Out the box it's all good and the slide is nice and skreetchy but I miss the creamy slide and speed retention of the F4's. Nice to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. You want to live the high life, you have to pay the high rates. F4's are doing the "classic" graphic soon. Check the F4 thread.
Ordered em!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 20, 2018, 11:10:06 PM
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i cannot for the fucking life of me figure out 5-0 fakies
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Don't turn your shoulders, weight on your toes coming in, that's my advice.

Heel..........toe.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on September 21, 2018, 02:27:04 AM
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i cannot for the fucking life of me figure out 5-0 fakies
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Don't turn your shoulders, weight on your toes coming in, that's my advice.
[close]

Heel..........toe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obHfX-nRfRA
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on September 21, 2018, 09:24:54 PM
sml wheels are excellent.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CHONGO on September 21, 2018, 09:44:47 PM
just picked up a pair of oj super juice for the cruiser/filming board. Stoked to try them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 22, 2018, 01:00:31 AM
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Bought the wayward tx wheel. Round slim cut 50mm 99a..

First day trying my wheels felt okay. My last wheel were spitfire f4 classic shape.. The best wheel there is so I'm not sure if I like these better..

The shape is nice though..
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The Wayward round slim shape is great, closer to a bones V1 than a classic. Waywards felt slower than F4s to me on smooth concrete.

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What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
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I have ridden 52mm only since my first set up but I have been wanting to size down for a while now.

Well I just got some 50mm classics (F4's) and rode them all day with no wheel bite and my noseslides on curbs felt as good as ever.

Plus I ride an 8.5 with 149 Indys and I love the look of a super small wheel on it!
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I'm with you!

Currently attempting to re-build one of my favorties setups: 8.3, low 149s (haven't decided yet, the old setup had the old thudne 149s back when they were super low) and skinny small wheels:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qEvJGvBhuD2ecbrG-125qMrcu6OlW9b99f2j-1XWZjNrmLB-9FXCzx1WSPycUJgmHut63hnOFUHEIK0KGjbKsXVRaWinqJQMYsZfMRWc5AWGcYobcV3jfJpjhF5rawoMUjdvSTD3l5U=w2400)


Got the deck and wheels, just need trucks!


WHAAAA...?! Xen using round/non tablet wheels AND not using the blue bones bushings? What kind of madness is this haha.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 25, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
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anyone tried speedlab wheels? wanting to jump back up to an 8.75 and chuck some 58s on there, debating wheel choices. nothing but good things with the OJ's ive had for nearly 2 months now just fancy a change and to be back on a wider wheel. also looking at 58mm spf 84bs or just bog standard spitfire classics.
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Yes I have, they suck. Soft, slow, crazy grippy. And these were supposed to be a 99 duro or something.

I beg to differ on this one, but then again it depends on what you're riding. I skate vert and big bowls, and the Speedlab Bombshells (57mm, 99a) are one of my favorite wheels. You are correct, they are crazy grippy which is really nice for slick indoor ramps. I currently ride 58mm Bones SPF, and the Bombshells are just as fast. They are actually faster on some ramps depending on the surface.

Bottom line, they certainly don't suck. If you think they are slow, you're not skating hard enough. Go watch some videos of Mark Davenport.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 25, 2018, 10:53:34 PM
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Bought the wayward tx wheel. Round slim cut 50mm 99a..

First day trying my wheels felt okay. My last wheel were spitfire f4 classic shape.. The best wheel there is so I'm not sure if I like these better..

The shape is nice though..
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The Wayward round slim shape is great, closer to a bones V1 than a classic. Waywards felt slower than F4s to me on smooth concrete.

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What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
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I have ridden 52mm only since my first set up but I have been wanting to size down for a while now.

Well I just got some 50mm classics (F4's) and rode them all day with no wheel bite and my noseslides on curbs felt as good as ever.

Plus I ride an 8.5 with 149 Indys and I love the look of a super small wheel on it!
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I'm with you!

Currently attempting to re-build one of my favorties setups: 8.3, low 149s (haven't decided yet, the old setup had the old thudne 149s back when they were super low) and skinny small wheels:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qEvJGvBhuD2ecbrG-125qMrcu6OlW9b99f2j-1XWZjNrmLB-9FXCzx1WSPycUJgmHut63hnOFUHEIK0KGjbKsXVRaWinqJQMYsZfMRWc5AWGcYobcV3jfJpjhF5rawoMUjdvSTD3l5U=w2400)


Got the deck and wheels, just need trucks!
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WHAAAA...?! Xen using round/non tablet wheels AND not using the blue bones bushings? What kind of madness is this haha.

It's an older set-up (6yrs ago or so?) I loved the way it rode, had zero complaints or OCD; I'm currently trying to replicate it as best I can. Pretty close with what I just set-up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on September 26, 2018, 05:43:53 AM
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Bought the wayward tx wheel. Round slim cut 50mm 99a..

First day trying my wheels felt okay. My last wheel were spitfire f4 classic shape.. The best wheel there is so I'm not sure if I like these better..

The shape is nice though..
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The Wayward round slim shape is great, closer to a bones V1 than a classic. Waywards felt slower than F4s to me on smooth concrete.

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What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
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I have ridden 52mm only since my first set up but I have been wanting to size down for a while now.

Well I just got some 50mm classics (F4's) and rode them all day with no wheel bite and my noseslides on curbs felt as good as ever.

Plus I ride an 8.5 with 149 Indys and I love the look of a super small wheel on it!
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I'm with you!

Currently attempting to re-build one of my favorties setups: 8.3, low 149s (haven't decided yet, the old setup had the old thudne 149s back when they were super low) and skinny small wheels:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qEvJGvBhuD2ecbrG-125qMrcu6OlW9b99f2j-1XWZjNrmLB-9FXCzx1WSPycUJgmHut63hnOFUHEIK0KGjbKsXVRaWinqJQMYsZfMRWc5AWGcYobcV3jfJpjhF5rawoMUjdvSTD3l5U=w2400)


Got the deck and wheels, just need trucks!
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WHAAAA...?! Xen using round/non tablet wheels AND not using the blue bones bushings? What kind of madness is this haha.
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It's an older set-up (6yrs ago or so?) I loved the way it rode, had zero complaints or OCD; I'm currently trying to replicate it as best I can. Pretty close with what I just set-up.

you could try some Destructo D2 "mids".  They're actually 50.75mm high so right around the old thunder 149 height
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 26, 2018, 09:18:23 AM
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Bought the wayward tx wheel. Round slim cut 50mm 99a..

First day trying my wheels felt okay. My last wheel were spitfire f4 classic shape.. The best wheel there is so I'm not sure if I like these better..

The shape is nice though..
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The Wayward round slim shape is great, closer to a bones V1 than a classic. Waywards felt slower than F4s to me on smooth concrete.

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What are people's thoughts on going down wheel sizes/skating small wheels? I'm thinking about trying out some 50mm after years of 52mm. I know that's not a big jump, but I'm hoping for less wheelbite and less interference on nose/tailslides. Has anyone sized down and liked it/didn't like it?
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I have ridden 52mm only since my first set up but I have been wanting to size down for a while now.

Well I just got some 50mm classics (F4's) and rode them all day with no wheel bite and my noseslides on curbs felt as good as ever.

Plus I ride an 8.5 with 149 Indys and I love the look of a super small wheel on it!
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I'm with you!

Currently attempting to re-build one of my favorties setups: 8.3, low 149s (haven't decided yet, the old setup had the old thudne 149s back when they were super low) and skinny small wheels:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/qEvJGvBhuD2ecbrG-125qMrcu6OlW9b99f2j-1XWZjNrmLB-9FXCzx1WSPycUJgmHut63hnOFUHEIK0KGjbKsXVRaWinqJQMYsZfMRWc5AWGcYobcV3jfJpjhF5rawoMUjdvSTD3l5U=w2400)


Got the deck and wheels, just need trucks!
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WHAAAA...?! Xen using round/non tablet wheels AND not using the blue bones bushings? What kind of madness is this haha.
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It's an older set-up (6yrs ago or so?) I loved the way it rode, had zero complaints or OCD; I'm currently trying to replicate it as best I can. Pretty close with what I just set-up.
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you could try some Destructo D2 "mids".  They're actually 50.75mm high so right around the old thunder 149 height

That's Rob territory, dude. I'll stick to the Thunders, I don't need to go that low, Tis with cast plates are low enough, plus I ride 53s (the only neg on that lurkville was it pitched me like crazy).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pinkbananastatus on September 28, 2018, 09:38:34 AM
After reading that Nick Boserio interview about skating bigger wheels, along with rewatching Matt Reason's old parts, I'm feeling like jumping up to some bigger wheels. The Spitfire Classics I'm skating now were 55mm when I set them up a few months ago, I'm debating between making a 'big' jump to 58's or just sizing up to 56's, but I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna stick with Spitfire classics either way.

Has anybody been able to compare riding bigger wheels to softer wheels? I had a set of 54mm 95A duro Prize Fighters a while back and loved them. I figure its easier to go faster and retain speed with a bigger wheel, does it roll over rough ground the same way a slightly softer wheel would?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 28, 2018, 12:27:50 PM
After reading that Nick Boserio interview about skating bigger wheels, along with rewatching Matt Reason's old parts, I'm feeling like jumping up to some bigger wheels. The Spitfire Classics I'm skating now were 55mm when I set them up a few months ago, I'm debating between making a 'big' jump to 58's or just sizing up to 56's, but I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna stick with Spitfire classics either way.

Has anybody been able to compare riding bigger wheels to softer wheels? I had a set of 54mm 95A duro Prize Fighters a while back and loved them. I figure its easier to go faster and retain speed with a bigger wheel, does it roll over rough ground the same way a slightly softer wheel would?

where can this interview be found?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2018, 02:16:25 PM
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After reading that Nick Boserio interview about skating bigger wheels, along with rewatching Matt Reason's old parts, I'm feeling like jumping up to some bigger wheels. The Spitfire Classics I'm skating now were 55mm when I set them up a few months ago, I'm debating between making a 'big' jump to 58's or just sizing up to 56's, but I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna stick with Spitfire classics either way.

Has anybody been able to compare riding bigger wheels to softer wheels? I had a set of 54mm 95A duro Prize Fighters a while back and loved them. I figure its easier to go faster and retain speed with a bigger wheel, does it roll over rough ground the same way a slightly softer wheel would?
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where can this interview be found?

http://www.villagepsychic.net/blog/the-rules-of-skateboarding-8-nick-boserio
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on September 30, 2018, 06:51:52 AM
Flat Spotted my crupies in about 2 months. I haven't flat spotted wheels in years. I really liked the slim profile but even at 101a, they did feel as good as my ricta westga naturals. I'm gonna try some bones STF
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HangtenNoseblunt on September 30, 2018, 07:24:46 AM
anyone try those ricta rapido? how do they compare to f4s?
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Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on September 30, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
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anyone tried speedlab wheels? wanting to jump back up to an 8.75 and chuck some 58s on there, debating wheel choices. nothing but good things with the OJ's ive had for nearly 2 months now just fancy a change and to be back on a wider wheel. also looking at 58mm spf 84bs or just bog standard spitfire classics.
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Yes I have, they suck. Soft, slow, crazy grippy. And these were supposed to be a 99 duro or something.
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I beg to differ on this one, but then again it depends on what you're riding. I skate vert and big bowls, and the Speedlab Bombshells (57mm, 99a) are one of my favorite wheels. You are correct, they are crazy grippy which is really nice for slick indoor ramps. I currently ride 58mm Bones SPF, and the Bombshells are just as fast. They are actually faster on some ramps depending on the surface.

Bottom line, they certainly don't suck. If you think they are slow, you're not skating hard enough. Go watch some videos of Mark Davenport.

When I first rode them (60mm juggernauts) it was on the skatelite vert ramp at monster, which is 14.5 foot and all that matters is not washing out, so grip was a good thing. So for skatelite you're right, they dont suck. But on concrete they felt boggy as hell. ( My local is a 10ft unsealed kidney bowl). I have been riding Powerflex 58's since, and could not be happier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on September 30, 2018, 02:57:10 PM
Flat Spotted my crupies in about 2 months. I haven't flat spotted wheels in years. I really liked the slim profile but even at 101a, they did feel as good as my ricta westga naturals. I'm gonna try some bones STF

That's a bummer the Crupie didn't work out for you Twist. Let me know how you like STF's. What shape are you looking at? I'd like to give STF (V2 or V3) or Ricta Rapido a go next.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2018, 08:42:07 AM
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Flat Spotted my crupies in about 2 months. I haven't flat spotted wheels in years. I really liked the slim profile but even at 101a, they did feel as good as my ricta westga naturals. I'm gonna try some bones STF
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That's a bummer the Crupie didn't work out for you Twist. Let me know how you like STF's. What shape are you looking at? I'd like to give STF (V2 or V3) or Ricta Rapido a go next.

If they made the slim in a 101 I'd have bitten the poorly named Rapidos. Weird Duro and MM combinations if you want a harder wheel you have to go larger.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 01, 2018, 09:25:57 AM
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Flat Spotted my crupies in about 2 months. I haven't flat spotted wheels in years. I really liked the slim profile but even at 101a, they did feel as good as my ricta westga naturals. I'm gonna try some bones STF
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That's a bummer the Crupie didn't work out for you Twist. Let me know how you like STF's. What shape are you looking at? I'd like to give STF (V2 or V3) or Ricta Rapido a go next.
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If they made the slim in a 101 I'd bitten the poorly named Rapidos. Weird Duro and MM combinations of you want a harder wheel you have to go larger.

I just bought some 54mm slims.  I love that they're actually a tablet shape and not a regular round shape wheel with a slim profile. 

Will report back once I've had a few sessions on them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
Rapidos arrived.  These are 54mm but are slimmer than 52mm classics while still having a wider riding surface

White as Biebel's teeth

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 02, 2018, 06:40:43 PM
That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Post by: shripshrapper on October 02, 2018, 06:45:41 PM
What about those new OJ elite? Is is more of the same OJ chalk?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 03, 2018, 04:21:39 AM
That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?

Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 03, 2018, 07:27:46 AM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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  Back to trusty Spit classics
No matter what wheel I skate, no matter how much I like them, in the end I always say the same thing.

Edit: typos and shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: eight two fives on October 03, 2018, 07:49:58 AM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 03, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.

Yeah that's crazy Steve, I've never heard of that happening or maybe I'm not understanding. Are you using spacers? Maybe it's axle slip? I always prefer Ricta NRG because of how nice the bearings sit in there compared to other wheels. And I do slappies on the daily and they stay put.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 03, 2018, 08:19:14 AM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.

Yeah.  I have crazy OCD with that as well.  Basically after I seat both bearings on a wheel, i then go over it again on both sides using my body weight. 

My gut is telling me its an issue with the bearing spacers pushing the bearings around.  Going to try and take them out and see if it makes a difference
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 03, 2018, 08:20:14 AM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.
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Yeah that's crazy Steve, I've never heard of that happening or maybe I'm not understanding. Are you using spacers? Maybe it's axle slip? I always prefer Ricta NRG because of how nice the bearings sit in there compared to other wheels. And I do slappies on the daily and they stay put.

I am using spacers.  do you use them as well?  yesterday it happened twice on different wheels coming out of boardslides
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 03, 2018, 08:52:21 AM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.
I always just put the board in Primo, and press the wheel into the bearing until I hear it click. I’ve never had a problem.
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Post by: BMCsteve on October 03, 2018, 08:57:04 AM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.
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I always just put the board in Primo, and press the wheel into the bearing until I hear it click. I’ve never had a problem.

Same here.  I'm beginning to think that either I'm a moron (entirely possible) and doing something wrong or this happens to other people and they don't care/notice
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2018, 09:04:02 AM
If you ditch them, I'll take them to try'em, shape is tits. I'm eyeing a set of crupies just to try.

I've not uses spacers, especially in spits for that very reason, I can shift the bearings side to to side a 'nudge' every time I flip them over and push down; I use the bearing press on my skatetool (not a real press).

Not surprisingly, the spacers that come with bones don't cause this with bones wheels they yield a nice tight fit. Did you ditch the race reds you were using for SSix again?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 03, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
If you ditch them, I'll take them to try'em, shape is tits. I'm eyeing a set of crupies just to try.

I've not uses spacers, especially in spits for that very reason, I can shift the bearings side to to side a 'nudge' every time I flip them over and push down; I use the bearing press on my skatetool (not a real press).

Not surprisingly, the spacers that come with bones don't cause this with bones wheels they yield a nice tight fit. Did you ditch the race reds you were using for SSix again?

This is exactly what's going on.  I'll ditch the spacers and see if that makes a difference.  if not, I'll send them your way.  The shape is awesome.  They feel faster than my 99a F4's. 

I did ditch Race Reds for this exact reason.  Started using Bronson Raws which are great as long as they're clean but ultimately SSix are the only bearing that I've ever felt was significantly faster than others so I went back
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: calvinsdream on October 03, 2018, 09:37:55 AM
After reading that Nick Boserio interview about skating bigger wheels, along with rewatching Matt Reason's old parts, I'm feeling like jumping up to some bigger wheels. The Spitfire Classics I'm skating now were 55mm when I set them up a few months ago, I'm debating between making a 'big' jump to 58's or just sizing up to 56's, but I'm pretty sure I'm just gonna stick with Spitfire classics either way.

Has anybody been able to compare riding bigger wheels to softer wheels? I had a set of 54mm 95A duro Prize Fighters a while back and loved them. I figure its easier to go faster and retain speed with a bigger wheel, does it roll over rough ground the same way a slightly softer wheel would?

The big wide 58mm 99d conical fulls pretty much rolled over everything. Definitely a noticeable height difference but I was pretty impressed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 03, 2018, 10:24:26 AM
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If you ditch them, I'll take them to try'em, shape is tits. I'm eyeing a set of crupies just to try.

I've not uses spacers, especially in spits for that very reason, I can shift the bearings side to to side a 'nudge' every time I flip them over and push down; I use the bearing press on my skatetool (not a real press).

Not surprisingly, the spacers that come with bones don't cause this with bones wheels they yield a nice tight fit. Did you ditch the race reds you were using for SSix again?
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This is exactly what's going on.  I'll ditch the spacers and see if that makes a difference.  if not, I'll send them your way.  The shape is awesome.  They feel faster than my 99a F4's. 

I did ditch Race Reds for this exact reason.  Started using Bronson Raws which are great as long as they're clean but ultimately SSix are the only bearing that I've ever felt was significantly faster than others so I went back

So it is the spacers.  THey're about 1-2mm longer than the inner core of the wheel.  if you take them out, you get 2 axle threads showing when you tighten the wheel.

I'm too OCD for this shit.  Xen, paypal me $8 for shipping and I'll send them your way
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2018, 10:28:43 AM
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If you ditch them, I'll take them to try'em, shape is tits. I'm eyeing a set of crupies just to try.

I've not uses spacers, especially in spits for that very reason, I can shift the bearings side to to side a 'nudge' every time I flip them over and push down; I use the bearing press on my skatetool (not a real press).

Not surprisingly, the spacers that come with bones don't cause this with bones wheels they yield a nice tight fit. Did you ditch the race reds you were using for SSix again?
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This is exactly what's going on.  I'll ditch the spacers and see if that makes a difference.  if not, I'll send them your way.  The shape is awesome.  They feel faster than my 99a F4's. 

I did ditch Race Reds for this exact reason.  Started using Bronson Raws which are great as long as they're clean but ultimately SSix are the only bearing that I've ever felt was significantly faster than others so I went back

Nothing I've used can touch Swiss Six, my current set needs a cleaning but they are so fast and loud with shields on I don't want to fuck with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on October 03, 2018, 10:31:35 AM

So it is the spacers.  THey're about 1-2mm longer than the inner core of the wheel.  if you take them out, you get 2 axle threads showing when you tighten the wheel.

I'm too OCD for this shit.  Xen, paypal me $8 for shipping and I'll send them your way

I keep a bag of speed rings in my toolbox and always add enough between the hanger and wheel so the threads are flush. On some combos I think I have 3 on the inside.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2018, 11:06:56 AM
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So it is the spacers.  THey're about 1-2mm longer than the inner core of the wheel.  if you take them out, you get 2 axle threads showing when you tighten the wheel.

I'm too OCD for this shit.  Xen, paypal me $8 for shipping and I'll send them your way
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I keep a bag of speed rings in my toolbox and always add enough between the hanger and wheel so the threads are flush. On some combos I think I have 3 on the inside.

My current aces have either 2 and 3 inside on each hanger and on opposite sides, it's as if both axles are off center (not surprised) to the left.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on October 03, 2018, 12:00:53 PM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.
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Yeah that's crazy Steve, I've never heard of that happening or maybe I'm not understanding. Are you using spacers? Maybe it's axle slip? I always prefer Ricta NRG because of how nice the bearings sit in there compared to other wheels. And I do slappies on the daily and they stay put.
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I am using spacers.  do you use them as well?  yesterday it happened twice on different wheels coming out of boardslides

I do use spacers. I have for the last 20+ years. I am crazy OCD about all that. It drives me batty when I have to keep my wheels a thread or two "loose" just to get free spin. I don't like that extra wheel chatter, which I know probably sounds ridiculous.

Bones Swiss, Modus Ti, Modus Ceramic, and Hard Luck Ceramic all come with spacers and have served me well. It's the price point bearings that never seem to tighten right. Total OCD about that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2018, 12:10:28 PM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.
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Yeah that's crazy Steve, I've never heard of that happening or maybe I'm not understanding. Are you using spacers? Maybe it's axle slip? I always prefer Ricta NRG because of how nice the bearings sit in there compared to other wheels. And I do slappies on the daily and they stay put.
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I am using spacers.  do you use them as well?  yesterday it happened twice on different wheels coming out of boardslides
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I do use spacers. I have for the last 20+ years. I am crazy OCD about all that. It drives me batty when I have to keep my wheels a thread or two "loose" just to get free spin. I don't like that extra wheel chatter, which I know probably sounds ridiculous.

Bones Swiss, Modus Ti, Modus Ceramic, and Hard Luck Ceramic all come with spacers and have served me well. It's the price point bearings that never seem to tighten right. Total OCD about that.

Need that chatter! I can't ride a board that sounds like a wet log, I've always had the slightest bit of play to make sure it never binds ups. I remember way back I could move my wheels on axle about one speed ring width on each side. Pretty hefty amount of play.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 04, 2018, 01:55:09 PM
Old faithful

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1944/45103319161_1336407733_z.jpg)

@xen, PM me your address for the Rictas
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Post by: j....soy..... on October 04, 2018, 02:31:16 PM
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That tablet shape is my favorite. How do the 99s slide Steve?
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Well, I didn't get a chance to skate them more than 15 minutes yesterday.  Basically they suffer from the same issue I had with NRG Ricta's and STF's.  The bearings do not stay seated in the wheels causing them to become misaligned and not letting the wheel spin freely.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves.  Back to trusty Spit classics
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Are you sure you had them seated right from the get go? I use my body weight and trucks to put in bearings but there’s always one that I have to redo. I feel like after nearly 30 years I should just get a bearing press.
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Yeah that's crazy Steve, I've never heard of that happening or maybe I'm not understanding. Are you using spacers? Maybe it's axle slip? I always prefer Ricta NRG because of how nice the bearings sit in there compared to other wheels. And I do slappies on the daily and they stay put.
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I am using spacers.  do you use them as well?  yesterday it happened twice on different wheels coming out of boardslides
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I do use spacers. I have for the last 20+ years. I am crazy OCD about all that. It drives me batty when I have to keep my wheels a thread or two "loose" just to get free spin. I don't like that extra wheel chatter, which I know probably sounds ridiculous.

Bones Swiss, Modus Ti, Modus Ceramic, and Hard Luck Ceramic all come with spacers and have served me well. It's the price point bearings that never seem to tighten right. Total OCD about that.
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Need that chatter! I can't ride a board that sounds like a wet log, I've always had the slightest bit of play to make sure it never binds ups. I remember way back I could move my wheels on axle about one speed ring width on each side. Pretty hefty amount of play.

I'm even dumber with my set up.....race reds cranked tight.  The idea is no play at all.  Certain wheels work better than others....rather something that's cored out, or tablet style like P2's.  I tried to be like everyone else and the conicals just didn't work.  I just like my board feeling really solid, but I get that it feels like a toy store board, you don't screach on slides either....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 04, 2018, 06:56:20 PM
Old faithful

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1944/45103319161_1336407733_z.jpg)

@xen, PM me your address for the Rictas

Way too big for me but otherwise these are the best wheel money can buy.

And the 101s > 99s. I need my shit rock hard haha.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on October 04, 2018, 06:59:02 PM
I still love 101a, but the way powerslides don't slow you down was starting to worry me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: The Woodsman on October 04, 2018, 08:19:33 PM
I posted this is the formula four thread but it doesn’t seem to be getting much attention at the moment so I’ll put it here.

I need new wheels and have been considering trying the lock-ins but am concerned they will mess with grind tricks where your board isn’t straight (smith, feeble, crook) can anyone who’s had a set offer some insight on that?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on October 04, 2018, 08:21:12 PM
I posted this is the formula four thread but it doesn’t seem to be getting much attention at the moment so I’ll put it here.

I need new wheels and have been considering trying the lock-ins but am concerned they will mess with grind tricks where your board isn’t straight (smith, feeble, crook) can anyone who’s had a set offer some insight on that?

The only thing I've heard is that they can hang up on coping more if you're not careful. Doesn't seem to affect much else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bumpovertrash on October 04, 2018, 09:10:18 PM
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I posted this is the formula four thread but it doesn’t seem to be getting much attention at the moment so I’ll put it here.

I need new wheels and have been considering trying the lock-ins but am concerned they will mess with grind tricks where your board isn’t straight (smith, feeble, crook) can anyone who’s had a set offer some insight on that?
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The only thing I've heard is that they can hang up on coping more if you're not careful. Doesn't seem to affect much else.

im riding a set of 53mm lockins and i cant tell much of a difference if one at all . i do smiths and feebles half the time im skating. The wheels are not shaped the same on both sides so if you rotate them they will be backwards. mine have been backwards about a week and again i cant tell a difference. I wont get lockins again i prefer the radial slims
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on October 05, 2018, 08:08:23 AM
I ride 55mm lock-ins. I can't speak for smiths and feebles because I suck, but crooks and stuff on coping haven't been an issue to me.
(I've also done willy grinds that worked out "fine")
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 07, 2018, 03:46:12 PM
anyone else on OJ wheels have bearings that are loose, like actually loose in the wheel? not just one, most if all. at first i thought it was just the way the wheel was sitting with the way OJ have cut out space in the middle but after looking at it i realise basically all my bearings have some play to them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 07, 2018, 05:09:53 PM
anyone else on OJ wheels have bearings that are loose, like actually loose in the wheel? not just one, most if all. at first i thought it was just the way the wheel was sitting with the way OJ have cut out space in the middle but after looking at it i realise basically all my bearings have some play to them.

Which formula are you seeing this with?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: anon on October 07, 2018, 10:10:01 PM
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anyone else on OJ wheels have bearings that are loose, like actually loose in the wheel? not just one, most if all. at first i thought it was just the way the wheel was sitting with the way OJ have cut out space in the middle but after looking at it i realise basically all my bearings have some play to them.
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Which formula are you seeing this with?
i've noticed the same thing with these
(https://www.tactics.com/a/8irs/2/oj-iii-from-concentrate-skateboard-wheels-white-101a.webp)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 08, 2018, 07:20:45 AM
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anyone else on OJ wheels have bearings that are loose, like actually loose in the wheel? not just one, most if all. at first i thought it was just the way the wheel was sitting with the way OJ have cut out space in the middle but after looking at it i realise basically all my bearings have some play to them.
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i've noticed the same thing with these
(https://www.tactics.com/a/8irs/2/oj-iii-from-concentrate-skateboard-wheels-white-101a.webp)

your image didnt embed but going from the url we have the same, oj concentrates insaneathane 101a

(https://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/602x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/A/8/A85E7D11B24FB57AF3F2DD6BE1354ED3.jpg)

always thought it was the way the wheels are cut inside but after blowing a bearing i noticed one of them wouldnt stay in the wheel. after 2 months or so of skating the wheels i've blew two bearings, both year old mini logos so i cant comment whether or not it's because of the wheels or the oldness of the bearings. heres an example of the bearing play, most prominent on the two left side wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjxbFrjyuw
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Post by: Roisto on October 08, 2018, 07:51:24 AM
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anyone else on OJ wheels have bearings that are loose, like actually loose in the wheel? not just one, most if all. at first i thought it was just the way the wheel was sitting with the way OJ have cut out space in the middle but after looking at it i realise basically all my bearings have some play to them.
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i've noticed the same thing with these
(https://www.tactics.com/a/8irs/2/oj-iii-from-concentrate-skateboard-wheels-white-101a.webp)
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your image didnt embed but going from the url we have the same, oj concentrates insaneathane 101a

(https://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/602x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/A/8/A85E7D11B24FB57AF3F2DD6BE1354ED3.jpg)

always thought it was the way the wheels are cut inside but after blowing a bearing i noticed one of them wouldnt stay in the wheel. after 2 months or so of skating the wheels i've blew two bearings, both year old mini logos so i cant comment whether or not it's because of the wheels or the oldness of the bearings. heres an example of the bearing play, most prominent on the two left side wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjxbFrjyuw

That is fucked up! I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how that could even happen.  :o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jollyoli on October 08, 2018, 08:00:06 AM
That is properly insane  :o
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Post by: Xen on October 08, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
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anyone else on OJ wheels have bearings that are loose, like actually loose in the wheel? not just one, most if all. at first i thought it was just the way the wheel was sitting with the way OJ have cut out space in the middle but after looking at it i realise basically all my bearings have some play to them.
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i've noticed the same thing with these
(https://www.tactics.com/a/8irs/2/oj-iii-from-concentrate-skateboard-wheels-white-101a.webp)
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your image didnt embed but going from the url we have the same, oj concentrates insaneathane 101a

(https://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/602x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/A/8/A85E7D11B24FB57AF3F2DD6BE1354ED3.jpg)

always thought it was the way the wheels are cut inside but after blowing a bearing i noticed one of them wouldnt stay in the wheel. after 2 months or so of skating the wheels i've blew two bearings, both year old mini logos so i cant comment whether or not it's because of the wheels or the oldness of the bearings. heres an example of the bearing play, most prominent on the two left side wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjxbFrjyuw

The from concentrate OJsare the og formula, not insane-a-thane.

Hell, I don't even think the 'from concentrate' wheels are even the regular oj thane (they feel soft and slow as hell).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 09, 2018, 01:52:06 AM
https://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/oj-wheels-concentrates-insaneathane-ez-edge-skateboard-wheels-101a-white-52mm.html
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Post by: bbk on October 09, 2018, 02:31:22 AM
https://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/oj-wheels-concentrates-insaneathane-ez-edge-skateboard-wheels-101a-white-52mm.html
well yeah, but:
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/52mm-from-concentrate-ez-edge-101a-oj-skateboard-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 09, 2018, 02:52:03 AM
well shit my bad lol

wouldnt say theyre soft or slow though, obviously not as slippy as f4's but ive enjoyed them thus far minus above issue.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: colt cannon lunchbox on October 15, 2018, 01:42:47 PM
Do you think conical full, regular, or slim wheels are better for locking into round rails? 
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Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 15, 2018, 08:36:16 PM
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Do you think conical full, regular, or slim wheels are better for locking into round rails?
Anything with a tablet shape like spitfire radial/radial slim, bones STF v2 etc... will lock the best on round rails regardless of wheel width.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on October 18, 2018, 06:36:07 AM
that issue on the ojs looks mad!

I'v been on the 58mm lance mountain F4 conicals for a year, now and I love them.
They have shrunken quite a bit but they are fast and lock in safely (well, they are large and square)

best thing is they seem to be fitted much better than stfs, the bearing sacers line up perfect ly within the wheel and i can tighten the nuts to just get rid of the wobble. The stf would (same bearings & spacers) slow down on three of the 4 wheels.

I feel like they just slide the smoothest and keep speed on most terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goathead on October 18, 2018, 12:05:41 PM
How is the Speedlab Wheels durometer? I got some 97A's and was wondering is it equivalent to Spitfire scale? I usually ride 99DU Formula Fours
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daniel on October 20, 2018, 02:16:59 AM
Same bearing play issue with those ojs happened with a set of conical fulls I have. It was about 108 degrees out and the wheels were molten hot after a long sesh so that might have caused it... otherwise could just be a quality control mistake.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on October 20, 2018, 09:14:43 AM
What about those new OJ elite? Is is more of the same OJ chalk?

skating one board with elites and another with the ones i think they call mini combos. The elites definitely roll a LOT better than the combos, but i need to try a different brand to see if I'm just blinded by the juice
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on October 21, 2018, 12:40:11 AM
How is the Speedlab Wheels durometer? I got some 97A's and was wondering is it equivalent to Spitfire scale? I usually ride 99DU Formula Fours

They are WAY softer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on October 29, 2018, 09:45:55 PM
So I've been eyeing these lately
https://www.tactics.com/dial-tone-wheel-co/williams-abstract-2-skateboard-wheels/white-99a

I like supporting the little guys and love Jahmal Williams. They look nice and the shape looks nice and road. Any Idea how they ride?
I think i got spoiled by F4 Spits since those feel freaking great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 29, 2018, 10:26:05 PM
My waywards, after nearly 4 sessions, don't actually feel *that* bad anymore ... but yeah, you get spoiled by F4s
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Post by: Fifty8mm on October 29, 2018, 10:49:58 PM
My waywards, after nearly 4 sessions, don't actually feel *that* bad anymore ... but yeah, you get spoiled by F4s

Yeah I was skating some sml wides and they felt good till I got my Lock ins. They felt whack after. Also I dont really like the look of the shape of Lock Ins but they are definately one of the best wheels if not the best wheels I've ever ridden.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 02, 2018, 08:05:54 PM
I’m on the hunt for a softer wheel to deal with the slippery indoor parks since snow will probably be here soon. I found some 55mm conical shaped pigs in a 97a durometer but am curious if there’s anything else out there in a 95-97a in the 52-54mm range. Couldn’t really find anything besides Ricta “crushers” 98a and they still seem like they’d be too slippery. Any help is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on November 02, 2018, 08:44:33 PM
I’m on the hunt for a softer wheel to deal with the slippery indoor parks since snow will probably be here soon. I found some 55mm conical shaped pigs in a 97a durometer but am curious if there’s anything else out there in a 95-97a in the 52-54mm range. Couldn’t really find anything besides Ricta “crushers” 98a and they still seem like they’d be too slippery. Any help is much appreciated.

Isn't Ritca's hardest cloud a 92a? You could try those..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 03, 2018, 07:26:53 AM
Those seem like they’d work well, I didn’t notice those before. Thanks man! Still open to other good options if anyone has anymore recommendations.
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Post by: switchbs180 on November 03, 2018, 02:25:54 PM
Those seem like they’d work well, I didn’t notice those before. Thanks man! Still open to other good options if anyone has anymore recommendations.

I recently tried my cruiser wheels on a slippery wooden ramp. spitfire hd chargers, those worked really well. they are 80 duro
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Post by: kentrock on November 03, 2018, 04:49:31 PM
I’m on the hunt for a softer wheel to deal with the slippery indoor parks since snow will probably be here soon. I found some 55mm conical shaped pigs in a 97a durometer but am curious if there’s anything else out there in a 95-97a in the 52-54mm range. Couldn’t really find anything besides Ricta “crushers” 98a and they still seem like they’d be too slippery. Any help is much appreciated.

u want something soft for indoor parks like spitfire chargers.  95-97 will still be slippery.  spitfires chargers are really soft but skate like a harder wheel does outside.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: olan.is.rollin on November 05, 2018, 10:54:11 AM
Has anyone tried powerflex wheels? Been eyeing the gumballs for a min now and I wanna know how the feel compared to f4s
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Post by: melkmelkme on November 06, 2018, 09:28:37 AM
Has anyone tried powerflex wheels? Been eyeing the gumballs for a min now and I wanna know how the feel compared to f4s

Yeah, I want to hear about these too.  Looking for something to replace the Autobahn 90a wheels I can't buy anymore.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Crustycurbcrew on November 06, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
Ive been skating the powerflex rockcandy gumball cores for about a month, the slide is nothing like f4s, its a lot grippier but i got used to that. The wheels feel very very hard and fast, the softer core makes it faster/smoother on rough ground (which i skate a lot). The wheels have a sharp lip which chips a little. Overall i like them a lot, but i might go back to f4s for the slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mattdlx on November 06, 2018, 06:40:19 PM
Wheel-related:

how tightened do y'all have your axle nuts? spacer inside, washers outside tight; little bit of play; axle just on so the threads are protected and rattly?

I'm generally in the just-a-tiny-bit-of-play or occasionally spacer-and-tight camp, but I'm also a weird old fart.
How do you run yours, and why?

(we had a brief discussion as to which way would flatspot more/less, but we weren't very scientific)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nosneb on November 06, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
I run mine 1 washers inside and 1 outside no speed ring with bolts flush to axle. Im sure the proper way really is minimal side by side play as long as it doesnt bind. No wonder my inner races are ovalized  ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on November 06, 2018, 08:45:39 PM
I generally use one speedring between nut and wheel and then put as many as necessary between wheel and hanger so the nut is flush and there is a teensy tiny bit of movement.

I do have some Daddies Ceramic bearings with built in spacers coming tomorrow and I believe I can tighten them all the way...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: anon on November 07, 2018, 12:47:57 AM
6 washers inside, none outside, flipped nuts. all the way tight because bearing spacers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2018, 08:18:57 AM
No spacers
One speedring nut side
As many spacers needed inside to get the nut flush with the axle tip (usually 2)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: olan.is.rollin on November 07, 2018, 09:45:08 AM
Ive been skating the powerflex rockcandy gumball cores for about a month, the slide is nothing like f4s, its a lot grippier but i got used to that. The wheels feel very very hard and fast, the softer core makes it faster/smoother on rough ground (which i skate a lot). The wheels have a sharp lip which chips a little. Overall i like them a lot, but i might go back to f4s for the slide.
how do they feel on skatelite/masonite?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: baustin on November 07, 2018, 11:21:51 AM
4 speed rings oriented either two on each side or three inside if I'm wanting to push my wheels out for a deck that's wider than my trucks. Tighten till there's only a tiny, barely noticeable amount of play.

Most importantly, your axle threads never get damaged if you do this.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on November 07, 2018, 11:37:29 AM
I'm a fan of running flush nuts, but I don't think I've ever fit 4 speed rings on an axle..

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on November 07, 2018, 12:57:40 PM
I'm a fan of running flush nuts, but I don't think I've ever fit 4 speed rings on an axle..

I have some vintage Indys (stage 6 and 7) that I need to run 4 on.   Most of the newer stuff it is 2-3
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on November 08, 2018, 12:33:44 AM
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Ive been skating the powerflex rockcandy gumball cores for about a month, the slide is nothing like f4s, its a lot grippier but i got used to that. The wheels feel very very hard and fast, the softer core makes it faster/smoother on rough ground (which i skate a lot). The wheels have a sharp lip which chips a little. Overall i like them a lot, but i might go back to f4s for the slide.
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how do they feel on skatelite/masonite?

I’ve been skating some powerflex for about 6 months now. Not gumballs but they are a good hard, grippy wheel. Outdoor Skatelite they are less prone to wash out than F4’s, indoors varies based on how dusty the park is. No wheel is going to save you from dusty Masonite, better off grabbing the mop haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hey pickle on November 12, 2018, 03:35:00 AM
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skating one board with elites and another with the ones i think they call mini combos. The elites definitely roll a LOT better than the combos, but i need to try a different brand to see if I'm just blinded by the juice

mini combos different to 'normal' elites? what abkht those boserio elite mini combos?
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Post by: somedudefromnj on November 13, 2018, 05:37:14 AM
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mini combos different to 'normal' elites? what abkht those boserio elite mini combos?

these are the ones im talking about. I think they came out long before they started doing the elites.
The elites i do have though are the sample ones that were plain and just say elites  on em, debating getting those boserios though

EDIT: My bad i never posted the link. IDK how to embed so here is the link to the webstore https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/52mm-oj-ii-mini-combos-101a-oj-skateboard-wheels

EDIT EDIT: Just noticed those say elite ones, but i have the old ones same exact graphic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thomas kook on November 20, 2018, 03:50:16 PM
hey guys, i've always just had shop wheels but i've been looking at some spitfire wheels and i was wondering if there's any difference between formula four and regular wheels besides just the branding? is anything spitfire makes automatically with this formula? what does it mean? sorry if this question is asked like a million times but googling it was quite the nightmare
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on November 20, 2018, 05:09:22 PM
hey guys, i've always just had shop wheels but i've been looking at some spitfire wheels and i was wondering if there's any difference between formula four and regular wheels besides just the branding? is anything spitfire makes automatically with this formula? what does it mean? sorry if this question is asked like a million times but googling it was quite the nightmare
The formula four is specifically different than classic both in price and performance. Go with formula fours. If it doesn't say formula four (big heads, classics, pro classics) it's not. There's a few different versions of each formula mkstly to do with the shape. Lock ins for example are formula four. But they say "formula four Lock ins". Formula is a really really weird word im writing it too much

I dunno how it is round you but around here classics are almost the same price as formula four. In my opinion classics perform the same as any shop wheel nowadays so you can probably get a better deal on that or even bones 100s over classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: anon on November 20, 2018, 10:20:07 PM
just got these on sale. what can i expect coming from F4s?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1798/2671/products/Dial-Tone-Wheel-Co-Ben-Gore-Divine-Dance-Conical-Cut-Wheels-53-mm-PACKAGE_1024x1024.jpg?v=1539378579)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 20, 2018, 10:39:21 PM
just got these on sale. what can i expect coming from F4s?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1798/2671/products/Dial-Tone-Wheel-Co-Ben-Gore-Divine-Dance-Conical-Cut-Wheels-53-mm-PACKAGE_1024x1024.jpg?v=1539378579)

not sure, report back though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on November 21, 2018, 01:04:49 AM
I think at this point in time anything coming from F4 is merely a temporary experiment for a bit of variety, a little spice in your life.

The return to F4 is imminent.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on November 21, 2018, 02:14:32 AM
sml AG formula have been very similar to classics to me.

that being said i think F4 conical fulls are the best wheels out there for a mixture of park and sketchy street spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on November 21, 2018, 07:43:19 AM
Wheel-related:

how tightened do y'all have your axle nuts? spacer inside, washers outside tight; little bit of play; axle just on so the threads are protected and rattly?

I'm generally in the just-a-tiny-bit-of-play or occasionally spacer-and-tight camp, but I'm also a weird old fart.
How do you run yours, and why?

(we had a brief discussion as to which way would flatspot more/less, but we weren't very scientific)

I'm on the extreme end....race reds, cranked.  Zero play. The weird differences it makes are: 1) when you slide, no noise, no screech.  2) way less pop. 

More or less the rattling of your board is like a speaker, it amplifies sound.

The reason why I do this is, in theory no play=no axel slip.  Plus once I get it set up right, there's less tinkering w. my board.  When I had a tail skid and rails, the no rattle board was the holy grail. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: coyote2425 on November 23, 2018, 08:10:11 AM
Just wanted to say that 56mm OJ Keyframes have changed my life. Cruiser smooth, street feel, roll forever over almost anything.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on November 23, 2018, 12:19:10 PM
I think at this point in time anything coming from F4 is merely a temporary experiment for a bit of variety, a little spice in your life.

The return to F4 is imminent.

This.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 23, 2018, 07:11:52 PM
Thinking about going back to f4 from stfs, which f4 shape is closest to a v2 bones? Maybe the conical? Looks a but wider though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ziad on November 23, 2018, 07:53:10 PM
I have a set of OJs the bearings got loose in them like the wheel wobbles around the bearings a bit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 23, 2018, 08:06:03 PM
Thinking about going back to f4 from stfs, which f4 shape is closest to a v2 bones? Maybe the conical? Looks a but wider though

Radial slims probably
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CHONGO on November 23, 2018, 11:05:13 PM
anyone ever skated dial tone wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 24, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
So I ended up going with some 55mm 97a Pig wheels for my indoor park. Just set it all up, and now I’m wondering if they’re defective or I’ve just never noticed this with wheels before.

I pressed the brand new bearings in as best I could, then tightened down the nut super far to really push them in (I usually do this with all set-ups), then loosened them just enough to allow free spin and a tiny amount of play between the wheel and nut.

I noticed when these wheels are spinning they look like they spin off center. They’re spinning on fresh never skated Indy’s so the axles aren’t bent or anything. Anyone ever notice this happening with their wheels before?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on November 24, 2018, 11:33:22 AM
So I ended up going with some 55mm 97a Pig wheels for my indoor park. Just set it all up, and now I’m wondering if they’re defective or I’ve just never noticed this with wheels before.

I pressed the brand new bearings in as best I could, then tightened down the nut super far to really push them in (I usually do this with all set-ups), then loosened them just enough to allow free spin and a tiny amount of play between the wheel and nut.

I noticed when these wheels are spinning they look like they spin off center. They’re spinning on fresh never skated Indy’s so the axles aren’t bent or anything. Anyone ever notice this happening with their wheels before?
Yup every spitfire wheel does this to me. Looks like an out of true bike wheel when it spins?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 24, 2018, 11:38:08 AM
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So I ended up going with some 55mm 97a Pig wheels for my indoor park. Just set it all up, and now I’m wondering if they’re defective or I’ve just never noticed this with wheels before.

I pressed the brand new bearings in as best I could, then tightened down the nut super far to really push them in (I usually do this with all set-ups), then loosened them just enough to allow free spin and a tiny amount of play between the wheel and nut.

I noticed when these wheels are spinning they look like they spin off center. They’re spinning on fresh never skated Indy’s so the axles aren’t bent or anything. Anyone ever notice this happening with their wheels before?
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Yup every spitfire wheel does this to me. Looks like an out of true bike wheel when it spins?

That’s exactly it, like a bent bike wheel. I pondered if it was maybe the wheel tread laid unevenly, which made it appear wobbly, but even the outside edge of the conical wheel doesn’t spin straight when focusing on it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 24, 2018, 12:10:13 PM
I think at this point in time anything coming from F4 is merely a temporary experiment for a bit of variety, a little spice in your life.

The return to F4 is imminent.

I respectfully disagree. There are so many good wheels available right now. I haven't skated Spitfires since 2005 probably and I have no intention of skating them anytime soon. I wasn't sure what I was going to skate after Autobahn went on hiatus but there are so many great choices that aren't Spitfire.

I have a set of Spitfire Daan F4 radial slim brand new never skated if anyone wants to buy them. For shape comparison, similar to Ricta NRG or Bones V2. Tablet shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: anon on November 24, 2018, 12:33:34 PM
I haven't skated Spitfires since 2005 probably...
F4s came out in 2013 according to this
http://www.rippedlaces.com/2013/08/spitfire-formula-four-review/
...and I have no intention of skating them anytime soon.
...there are so many great choices that aren't Spitfire.
ignorance is bliss
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on November 24, 2018, 12:48:04 PM
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I haven't skated Spitfires since 2005 probably...
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F4s came out in 2013 according to this
http://www.rippedlaces.com/2013/08/spitfire-formula-four-review/
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...and I have no intention of skating them anytime soon.
...there are so many great choices that aren't Spitfire.
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ignorance is bliss

"I ain't heard of no "Formula Four", I don't go in for that marketing gobbledy gook! I'm just an old fashioned skater who knows what I like!"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 24, 2018, 02:13:03 PM
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I think at this point in time anything coming from F4 is merely a temporary experiment for a bit of variety, a little spice in your life.

The return to F4 is imminent.
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I respectfully disagree. There are so many good wheels available right now. I haven't skated Spitfires since 2005 probably and I have no intention of skating them anytime soon. I wasn't sure what I was going to skate after Autobahn went on hiatus but there are so many great choices that aren't Spitfire.

I have a set of Spitfire Daan F4 radial slim brand new never skated if anyone wants to buy them. For shape comparison, similar to Ricta NRG or Bones V2. Tablet shape.

What size and how much shipped to California?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on November 24, 2018, 04:48:49 PM
Just got SML Herringtons in the AG formula in 53 and they're awesome. Slightly wider than conicals, feel just as fast, seem to slide better when you want em to
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on November 24, 2018, 06:13:39 PM
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I haven't skated Spitfires since 2005 probably...
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F4s came out in 2013 according to this
http://www.rippedlaces.com/2013/08/spitfire-formula-four-review/
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...and I have no intention of skating them anytime soon.
...there are so many great choices that aren't Spitfire.
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ignorance is bliss
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"I ain't heard of no "Formula Four", I don't go in for that marketing gobbledy gook! I'm just an old fashioned skater who knows what I like!"

Maybe you misunderstood my post. I haven't skated Spitfire wheels since 2005. And that's why I made this thread originally. There are other choices and people to support, there's no "ignorance" about it. But you guys can make fun of me all you want. It's odd to me to ridicule someone else for not skating the same gear as you. Fascist much? That's some serious kook shit.


What size and how much shipped to California?

Sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tally810 on November 24, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
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I haven't skated Spitfires since 2005 probably...
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F4s came out in 2013 according to this
http://www.rippedlaces.com/2013/08/spitfire-formula-four-review/
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...and I have no intention of skating them anytime soon.
...there are so many great choices that aren't Spitfire.
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ignorance is bliss
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"I ain't heard of no "Formula Four", I don't go in for that marketing gobbledy gook! I'm just an old fashioned skater who knows what I like!"
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Maybe you misunderstood my post. I haven't skated Spitfire wheels since 2005. And that's why I made this thread originally. There are other choices and people to support, there's no "ignorance" about it. But you guys can make fun of me all you want. It's odd to me to ridicule someone else for not skating the same gear as you. Fascist much? That's some serious kook shit.

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What size and how much shipped to California?
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Sent you a PM.
Don't think they were flaming.  Just saying that you haven't skated formula fours since they just came out a few years ago and they are far superior to classic formula spitfire
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on November 24, 2018, 07:19:44 PM
Just got SML Herringtons in the AG formula in 53 and they're awesome. Slightly wider than conicals, feel just as fast, seem to slide better when you want em to

Wider than conicals? Are they the OG shape? My Smls have all been rather thin like classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: anon on November 24, 2018, 08:33:40 PM
Maybe you misunderstood my post. I haven't skated Spitfire wheels since 2005. And that's why I made this thread originally. There are other choices and people to support, there's no "ignorance" about it. But you guys can make fun of me all you want. It's odd to me to ridicule someone else for not skating the same gear as you. Fascist much? That's some serious kook shit.
you weren't being made fun of for not skating the same wheels as everyone else, just that you made a claim that you can't back up. you said that there are better alternatives to F4s while never having skated them yourself. i guess what i meant by "ignorance is bliss" is that you have the benefit of enjoying a variety wheels while others, it seems, can't because nothing stands up against "the best"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on November 24, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
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Just got SML Herringtons in the AG formula in 53 and they're awesome. Slightly wider than conicals, feel just as fast, seem to slide better when you want em to
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Wider than conicals? Are they the OG shape? My Smls have all been rather thin like classics.

Yup

These ones: https://www.tactics.com/sml/herrington-spritzers-v-cut-skateboard-wheels/white-orange-99a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on November 24, 2018, 10:41:07 PM
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Maybe you misunderstood my post. I haven't skated Spitfire wheels since 2005. And that's why I made this thread originally. There are other choices and people to support, there's no "ignorance" about it. But you guys can make fun of me all you want. It's odd to me to ridicule someone else for not skating the same gear as you. Fascist much? That's some serious kook shit.
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you weren't being made fun of for not skating the same wheels as everyone else, just that you made a claim that you can't back up. you said that there are better alternatives to F4s while never having skated them yourself. i guess what i meant by "ignorance is bliss" is that you have the benefit of enjoying a variety wheels while others, it seems, can't because nothing stands up against "the best"

To be fair, I still ride STF's. I want something inbetween! If I had to stick to one forever it would be F4's, but bones figured something out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Statebird on November 26, 2018, 01:20:06 PM
have had 2 sets of dialtones and I cannot get the bearings out of the wheels for the life of me, had to go buy wd40

i love everything theories does but it is back to f4's
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheVisitor on November 26, 2018, 11:24:03 PM
Anyone skate Ghetto Child since they've returned? Been thinking of trying those 52mm Tom Penny wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on November 27, 2018, 12:02:17 AM
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Just got SML Herringtons in the AG formula in 53 and they're awesome. Slightly wider than conicals, feel just as fast, seem to slide better when you want em to
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Wider than conicals? Are they the OG shape? My Smls have all been rather thin like classics.
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Yup

These ones: https://www.tactics.com/sml/herrington-spritzers-v-cut-skateboard-wheels/white-orange-99a

Awesome, they are the v-cut shape. Will def try them next.

You dig em?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SoapyEyes on November 28, 2018, 10:33:37 AM
Anyone tried orbs wheels? Ive been eying the specters while my f4s get smaller and smaller
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on November 29, 2018, 01:59:30 AM
I put together a bit of a mutt setup using some old shit I had laying around and a deck I kinda hate but might as well use and I put on some STFs and skated those last night.

I only skated STFs for a long time.

I can't wait to get back to some F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tally810 on November 29, 2018, 05:17:06 AM
I actually won some stfs from the top of the slap page and am skating them now.  So far I'm enjoying them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 29, 2018, 05:31:57 AM
@uk guys, deadass those £20 Death wheels are probably on par slideability wise with 101a F4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on November 29, 2018, 08:01:53 AM
I just threw on a fresh pair of Bones 100s v5s I had lying around. This shape is kind of cool and also kind of weird. Anyone else skate the v5 shape regardless of formula. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 29, 2018, 01:36:40 PM
I just threw on a fresh pair of Bones 100s v5s I had lying around. This shape is kind of cool and also kind of weird. Anyone else skate the v5 shape regardless of formula. Thoughts?

It's my favorite Bones shape, works on all terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on November 29, 2018, 02:21:44 PM
Yea im definitely able to ride a bit better over all this shitty ground around here. I have been using v2s for a while, so its quite nice change of pace so far. Bit heavier though obviously so im getting used to that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Not Local on November 29, 2018, 03:44:36 PM
curious about bones doing a softer STF... https://www.instagram.com/p/BqQA_mwlWwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqQA_mwlWwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 29, 2018, 06:43:31 PM
curious about bones doing a softer STF... https://www.instagram.com/p/BqQA_mwlWwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/BqQA_mwlWwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

I hope they come out soon!!

I’ve been going back to basics of my skate career in the middle late 2000’s and riding 99a type soft wheels again cause idk about you guys but the streets are rough and unforgiving and yeah f4 slide perfect but at the same time they slide a littler too much for me, just a little

So I been riding bones 100’s and they feel softer than spit classics cause of the formula and I love them and on another setup I have darkstar master urethane which is a classic ole 99a nothing special but better quality than what we use to ride in a 99a

The grip and control give me a lot more confidence cause I don’t fear that somehow I will slide out

So yeah, I can’t wait for those soft stf 99a

Regular 83b/103a stf are nice too but even they aren’t as smooth and soft as the 100’s sadly for me

I prefer it cause it feels like I’m skating park but I’m in the streets, that’s why softer street wheel for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on November 29, 2018, 06:47:36 PM
I think it's like the rough rider formula but way harder....the idea is to have something that still slides really well but is a bit softer so they work well street skating.  Looking forward to trying them out too....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on November 29, 2018, 07:47:10 PM
The ricta rapido ad on slap says they help you flip your board faster. How is that even a thing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on November 30, 2018, 06:31:20 PM
those softer stf's are something i wanted after riding around the softer spf's in the street for a setup (couple of somewhat injured months).  I used them but they don't have the rebound and sustained roll of the stf and were too grippy but kinda comfy.  The whole time i was thinking now if bones did a softer stf THAT would be a wheel...especially with the cold coming/here.  Hopefully it will won't have any of those antiquated treads that many street wheels pointlessly still have.

At the moment the f4 radial 53 is my goldilocks wheel, not too wide or thin, not too flat or round, not too big or small.  Perfect.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on November 30, 2018, 10:44:09 PM
The softer would work fine in a slippery indoor too I'm the winter....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 01, 2018, 12:22:20 AM
The softer would work fine in a slippery indoor too I'm the winter....

Oooo that sounds like something so crazy

A bones street wheel that works well in the park,

I’m really siked cause as I mentioned before about sliding out for some reason I like curving or leaning around trying to turn on my tight trucks to get the right angle to pop a trick and sometimes that tight truck setup and hard/slidy wheels gets me drifting and slipping out embarrassingly when I’m turning to get my angle

But softer wheels keep me grounded
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on December 01, 2018, 09:44:39 AM
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The softer would work fine in a slippery indoor too I'm the winter....
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Oooo that sounds like something so crazy

A bones street wheel that works well in the park,

I’m really siked cause as I mentioned before about sliding out for some reason I like curving or leaning around trying to turn on my tight trucks to get the right angle to pop a trick and sometimes that tight truck setup and hard/slidy wheels gets me drifting and slipping out embarrassingly when I’m turning to get my angle

But softer wheels keep me grounded
Literally no skate product could ever keep you grounded rob. I don't wanna live in a world where rob isn't noticing things about his setup and is just completely fine with it. Im sorry you just are like psilocybin to skate gear you open up all these perspectives and ideas about interpreting the cold and mechanical that I had never considered before.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 01, 2018, 11:18:47 AM
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The softer would work fine in a slippery indoor too I'm the winter....
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Oooo that sounds like something so crazy

A bones street wheel that works well in the park,

I’m really siked cause as I mentioned before about sliding out for some reason I like curving or leaning around trying to turn on my tight trucks to get the right angle to pop a trick and sometimes that tight truck setup and hard/slidy wheels gets me drifting and slipping out embarrassingly when I’m turning to get my angle

But softer wheels keep me grounded
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Literally no skate product could ever keep you grounded rob. I don't wanna live in a world where rob isn't noticing things about his setup and is just completely fine with it. Im sorry you just are like psilocybin to skate gear you open up all these perspectives and ideas about interpreting the cold and mechanical that I had never considered before.

My gear obsession is an excuse for my short comings in the expectations I have of my skate abilities, if that makes any sense

Or I suck so I wanna make sure it’s my setup and not me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CoMpLeMeNts4U on December 01, 2018, 11:37:39 AM
We all do it and I know exactly. You wanna minimize the variables and only worry about yourself. I just meant you have a very eloquent way of describing a product and what you like and don't like about it. I dunno you have a way of explaining a feeling I may not consider like tight tucks but pre loading your weight off centre for certain tricks and losing grip into a slide. It makes total sense and in a way opened up an insight for me skating a spot that I may try some softer but small wheels like soft eez or clouds because it's a tight left uphill turn quick Ollie up onto a very small Manny pad and I always feel not confident like im on the edge of slipping out cause I am ollieing off centre a bit so im not totally focusing on what im gonna do once im up there. Anyways it's hard to describe but usually on here I read posts and not look at the names cause I lurked for a long time with no account. But every time I would read something that I was interested in fiddling with or hadn't considered it's usually from you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 02, 2018, 11:54:01 PM
We all do it and I know exactly. You wanna minimize the variables and only worry about yourself. I just meant you have a very eloquent way of describing a product and what you like and don't like about it. I dunno you have a way of explaining a feeling I may not consider like tight tucks but pre loading your weight off centre for certain tricks and losing grip into a slide. It makes total sense and in a way opened up an insight for me skating a spot that I may try some softer but small wheels like soft eez or clouds because it's a tight left uphill turn quick Ollie up onto a very small Manny pad and I always feel not confident like im on the edge of slipping out cause I am ollieing off centre a bit so im not totally focusing on what im gonna do once im up there. Anyways it's hard to describe but usually on here I read posts and not look at the names cause I lurked for a long time with no account. But every time I would read something that I was interested in fiddling with or hadn't considered it's usually from you.

Thanks man! Means a lot

I hope I have a positive affect on you with the others too

I don’t mean to be such a kook but certain observations and experimenting of products I’ve accumulated over the years of skating and earning money and filling the curiosities to “the best” created so many assessments and analysis that I had to some how share with someone cause my friends are more of the let’s just skate/shred and skate whatever you like!

I beg to differ, I like Indy’s but idk...even swapping bushings and doing my best to adjust them to my preferences(tighter and lower) they just don’t work when the hype slows down and I’m having some off sessions and go back to what works for me and I like those products that work but ya know, always wanna change it up a bit

Anyways I’m starting to realize again wheels are such a vital part of your setup that I’m going back to sticking to 1 set of wheels or formula, can’t decide though...

I really liked stf cause they filled the gap of slides almost as good as f4 but grips almost as good as a classic 99a but f4 are such a naturally good feeling and sliding wheel, emphasis on natural feeling

But I’ll do my best to stay with the bones 100’s until the bones easy streets come out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 03, 2018, 12:51:55 AM
compliments focused? did he go bankrupt with all the giveaways?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on December 03, 2018, 02:43:36 AM
compliments focused? did he go bankrupt with all the giveaways?

RIP
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on December 03, 2018, 03:25:55 AM
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compliments focused? did he go bankrupt with all the giveaways?
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RIP

To respect his legacy I think is a good place to compliment your sig. I’ve wanted to compliment it for a while now but it never felt right in any other thread. Best sig in ages. Always puts a smile on my face! 😊
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on December 03, 2018, 04:09:57 AM
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compliments focused? did he go bankrupt with all the giveaways?
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RIP
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To respect his legacy I think is a good place to compliment your sig. I’ve wanted to compliment it for a while now but it never felt right in any other thread. Best sig in ages. Always puts a smile on my face! 😊

Awesome haha thanks. Im glad it makes you happy. Its the little things right? Spread that cheer around!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Not Local on December 07, 2018, 10:09:43 AM
Looks like the Bones 99a STFs are available. Limited sizes though 52, 53 54. I won't bother until I see some product descriptions/ reviews and maybe see if 55s are coming....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 14, 2018, 04:44:32 AM
I’ve been on STFs for years and have been riding formula 4 101s for about a year.


Are 99s actually make a difference? I love my slide (I don’t skate at Joslin/Luan/Busenotz speed so I like the extra help) and I’m afraid I’ll miss it if I get 99s and won’t really notice them being any softer. Just that less slidey.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: baustin on December 14, 2018, 10:41:23 AM
I’ve been on STFs for years and have been riding formula 4 101s for about a year.


Are 99s actually make a difference? I love my slide (I don’t skate at Joslin/Luan/Busenotz speed so I like the extra help) and I’m afraid I’ll miss it if I get 99s and won’t really notice them being any softer. Just that less slidey.

Less screechy but they still slide fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on December 14, 2018, 04:39:46 PM
99a actually slows you down when you slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: planman on December 16, 2018, 11:23:28 PM
I know pretty much everyone said that Speedlab's formula is softer than others, but exactly how much softer does their 101a feel compared to to 99a F4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 18, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
Anybody try 52 or 54  v4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on December 18, 2018, 09:12:54 PM
Anybody try 52 or 54  v4s?
STF?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 18, 2018, 11:42:21 PM
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Anybody try 52 or 54  v4s?
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STF?
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Pigeon on December 19, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
Has anyone tried Loophole Wheels yet?
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Post by: shripshrapper on December 19, 2018, 10:16:22 AM
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Anybody try 52 or 54  v4s?
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I've had a set of 55mm V4's for a while now, they're not set up atm, but they're probably my favourite stf shape. Kind of a fatter spit radial.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on December 19, 2018, 10:55:51 AM
Has anyone tried Loophole Wheels yet?

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on December 19, 2018, 01:50:24 PM
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I've had a set of 55mm V4's for a while now, they're not set up atm, but they're probably my favourite stf shape. Kind of a fatter spit radial.
This.
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Post by: SneakySecrets on December 19, 2018, 04:52:23 PM
Just got SML Herringtons in the AG formula in 53 and they're awesome. Slightly wider than conicals, feel just as fast, seem to slide better when you want em to

I’ve been thinking about getting these.  Anyone skate these on some crusty spots?  If so, how do they compare with f4’s?
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Post by: rob on December 19, 2018, 08:45:17 PM
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Anybody try 52 or 54  v4s?
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I had the 52mm cause I wanted a wider wheel and to my opinion they definitely had a wider wheel feel but the same feel too as a standard v1 just wider

So nothing special but just being bigger(feels safer in that you stick better and don’t randomly slide out/drift from a hard turn or land) and maybe faster or longer rolling but not drastically over other stf

The v5 and v2 are the only ones that to me have some big difference in feel

V2 actually help lock you in to grinds surprising not a gimmick

V5 are definitely grippier and sticker than all of them

Oh and v3 just feel or placebo affect you that they’re lighter but I mean they have to be cause they’re thinner
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on December 19, 2018, 08:49:15 PM
Well I've skated them at the same places as my F4, which is some crusty asphalt around SF and Oakland commuting. They honestly don't feel that much different. I was on 99A 54 Classics and Conical Fulls before and since these are slightly smaller they feel a wee bit slower and they don't break into a slide as easily yet. It's not apples to apples, but they were a lot better than I was expecting and in between a Conical and Conical Full in width so it's close to perfect.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 20, 2018, 04:38:20 AM
Thanks for the v4 feed back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 20, 2018, 09:56:09 AM
Anyone tried Loophole wheels?


First I've heard of them; they have that yellow F4 look to them tho.
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Post by: switchbs180 on December 20, 2018, 12:02:26 PM
so harder wheels are better for tailslides?  ;D
sorry if asked before pals.
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Post by: Firebert on December 20, 2018, 12:37:08 PM
so harder wheels are better for tailslides?  ;D
sorry if asked before pals.
especially if you ride thunders
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Post by: os89 on December 20, 2018, 07:48:18 PM
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so harder wheels are better for tailslides?  ;D
sorry if asked before pals.
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especially if you ride thunders

Since Indy's and such usually hit more of the baseplate than the wheels right?
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Post by: tangar on December 20, 2018, 08:06:02 PM
Anyone tried Loophole wheels? They’ve got a solid team.

If I find a set of Dial Tones in 54/55 that are 101 I’ll grab them. Seems like they do a lot of 99s. I’m about to set up my last set of Prize Fighter Cutlery wheels.

I don’t know if I should gnar you or kook you for being so core.
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Post by: SWPhillyFloater on December 21, 2018, 07:11:43 AM
Anyone tried Loophole wheels? They’ve got a solid team.

If I find a set of Dial Tones in 54/55 that are 101 I’ll grab them. Seems like they do a lot of 99s. I’m about to set up my last set of Prize Fighter Cutlery wheels.

Dial Tone makes a 54 wheel that's 101, but you're right they mostly have 99s. They aren't a conical shape if that's what you're looking for. Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 22, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
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I had the 52mm cause I wanted a wider wheel and to my opinion they definitely had a wider wheel feel but the same feel too as a standard v1 just wider

So nothing special but just being bigger(feels safer in that you stick better and don’t randomly slide out/drift from a hard turn or land) and maybe faster or longer rolling but not drastically over other stf

The v5 and v2 are the only ones that to me have some big difference in feel

V2 actually help lock you in to grinds surprising not a gimmick

V5 are definitely grippier and sticker than all of them

Oh and v3 just feel or placebo affect you that they’re lighter but I mean they have to be cause they’re thinner

I'm a big fan of the V2's also because when I skated narrower trucks it was 'more truck'. The con is that the conicals style primos a bit less.

Picked up the 99's v1's and they feel good.  In the park a hair slower but smoother, on the street they feel faster.  Not much difference in the slide....maybe even better but softer, more giving, less screechy.  Still pretty new though.  I think the formula is different, ie. More than just a couple points down. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: franquietits on December 24, 2018, 09:38:14 AM
Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVhU3xeLvgE
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on December 24, 2018, 02:04:24 PM
Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVhU3xeLvgE

hey can i score a fry?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: planman on December 24, 2018, 02:14:18 PM
Okay Loophole officially has my attention. They’re posting some of the work behind making wheels on Instagram. They’re made in the USA and it looks like they’ve got a few different shapes.
The 56mm conicals on their story were calling my name
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Post by: eight two fives on December 24, 2018, 03:10:54 PM
I saw some loophole samples before they were loopholes at the shop, they were essentially brown.
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Post by: GeorgeCostanza on December 24, 2018, 10:29:24 PM
office hours are good, same factory as prize fighter. sylvain tognelli skates for them and apparently mike arnold and maybe max palmer are going to as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: franquietits on December 25, 2018, 06:11:51 AM
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Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVhU3xeLvgE
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hey can i score a fry?

As in fruit loops?  ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SneakySecrets on December 25, 2018, 09:11:05 PM
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so harder wheels are better for tailslides?  ;D
sorry if asked before pals.
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especially if you ride thunders
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Since Indy's and such usually hit more of the baseplate than the wheels right?

That’s the one thing that kind of bugs me about thunders. 
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Post by: shripshrapper on December 25, 2018, 09:52:23 PM
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so harder wheels are better for tailslides?  ;D
sorry if asked before pals.
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especially if you ride thunders
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Since Indy's and such usually hit more of the baseplate than the wheels right?
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That’s the one thing that kind of bugs me about thunders.

What ever happened to those extended thunder plates? Feels like a long time ago that we hear of them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on December 26, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVhU3xeLvgE

Well, I'm convinced those wheels are slippery as fuck. I guess that was the goal. Good job Bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on December 27, 2018, 09:16:21 AM
I like those easy streets for streets. Felt way too slow at the park. They do slide like glass and feel smoother than the standard STF, so good on them!

Formula 4's still the best imo, by a lot.

FWIW: I tested both setups with the same swiss 6, one with 52mm 101 f4s the other with 53mm 99 easy streets and the spitfires blew it out of the water as far as speed
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 27, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
I've skated mine a bunch at the park and don't notice too much of a difference, could just be because they are new....street smoother for sure and they slide well but quiet...a much softer slide.  Almost like some longboard type shit....can't argue it though, they work. 

More than their performance, the main reason I'm backing bones is to spite spitfire people....go bones! 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on December 28, 2018, 12:48:24 AM
To anyone who has skated the new easy streets, do you think they’re too slippery for indoor?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on December 28, 2018, 07:26:38 AM
To anyone who has skated the new easy streets, do you think they’re too slippery for indoor?
No, I think they'd be great for that dusty indoor park actually
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CoMpLeMenTs4Uonlysometime on December 28, 2018, 07:35:00 AM
To anyone who has skated the new easy streets, do you think they’re too slippery for indoor?
200 posts and still a harmonious rep. Perfect balance. You must say everything, while saying nothing. Or maybe sometimes saying nothing says everything? You have life figured out so well Diocletian.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SneakySecrets on December 28, 2018, 07:41:28 AM
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To anyone who has skated the new easy streets, do you think they’re too slippery for indoor?
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200 posts and still a harmonious rep. Perfect balance. You must say everything, while saying nothing. Or maybe sometimes saying nothing says everything? You have life figured out so well Diocletian.

I can’t imagine the pressure he feels living on a razor’s edge like that.  Knowing that he’s one stray comment about durags away from catastrophe.
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Post by: burn_to_live on December 28, 2018, 08:07:50 AM
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To anyone who has skated the new easy streets, do you think they’re too slippery for indoor?
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200 posts and still a harmonious rep. Perfect balance. You must say everything, while saying nothing. Or maybe sometimes saying nothing says everything? You have life figured out so well Diocletian.
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I can’t imagine the pressure he feels living on a razor’s edge like that.  Knowing that he’s one stray comment about durags away from catastrophe.
If Gip ever returns, he will blast that rep to oblivion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 28, 2018, 02:49:59 PM
I skated the easy streets in a slippery indoor and they felt pretty normal....It's a good question though because they are suppose to a softer wheel that still slides, where an SPF is a harder wheel that sticks....they didn't help me but didn't make things worse....

It's me getting more OCD, but lately I put in a tiny bit of coconut oil around where the bearing sits in the wheel, just so it's exactly where it should be.  Often if you just use the press or use your axel, the bearing can be a bit off, if you ever skate a cored wheel, I at least like how they pop in perfectly.  The bit of lubricant makes the bearing to in easier which is prolly better for it too.  It's just bad news because a bit more grease attracts dirt.....

Carry on....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shripshrapper on December 28, 2018, 03:51:17 PM
Did we ever get confirmation on the rumour that EVERYONE is riding Lock-in's backwards? That the bigger logo'd side is really supposed to be on the inside. But then the outer surface is just flat? Doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tally810 on December 28, 2018, 04:10:10 PM
Did we ever get confirmation on the rumour that EVERYONE is riding Lock-in's backwards? That the bigger logo'd side is really supposed to be on the inside. But then the outer surface is just flat? Doesn't make sense.
Not that this is confirmation but I did get a pair of lockins for Christmas from my brother and only after one session today it's pretty obvious that the flat side goes on the inside as it actually was locking in on the flat bar quite well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 28, 2018, 09:13:49 PM
Did we ever get confirmation on the rumour that EVERYONE is riding Lock-in's backwards? That the bigger logo'd side is really supposed to be on the inside. But then the outer surface is just flat? Doesn't make sense.

We got confirmation that the only people riding them backwards are the ones who put big logos in. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Arto Saari on December 29, 2018, 02:22:06 AM
I like those easy streets for streets. Felt way too slow at the park. They do slide like glass and feel smoother than the standard STF, so good on them!

Formula 4's still the best imo, by a lot.

FWIW: I tested both setups with the same swiss 6, one with 52mm 101 f4s the other with 53mm 99 easy streets and the spitfires blew it out of the water as far as speed
Im not sure this is a fair comparison. 101s are going to feel faster on a smooth park surface because they are harder. 99 v4s vs 99 easy streets would be the proper way to compare the two. As an STF rider I'm really eager to try the easy streets. STF are just too hard for midwestern street spots
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on January 02, 2019, 08:21:41 AM
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I like those easy streets for streets. Felt way too slow at the park. They do slide like glass and feel smoother than the standard STF, so good on them!

Formula 4's still the best imo, by a lot.

FWIW: I tested both setups with the same swiss 6, one with 52mm 101 f4s the other with 53mm 99 easy streets and the spitfires blew it out of the water as far as speed
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I'm not sure this is a fair comparison. 101s are going to feel faster on a smooth park surface because they are harder. 99 v4s vs 99 easy streets would be the proper way to compare the two. As an STF rider I'm really eager to try the easy streets. STF are just too hard for midwestern street spots
It is is fair in that each wheel is good for their own purpose - just what I said, Easy Streets are good for asphalt - f4s are good for smooth crete. I went back to the park with fresh f499s to compare to easy streets - f4s still faster, but they feel harder as well. Has to be the urethane. All in all, I'd rather have f4s of any hardness for all around skating. Just my opinion from 20 years exp.

If I was going to be skating asphalt all day, or an indoor park, I might lean towards the bones.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on January 03, 2019, 03:54:10 PM
when i was skating today i noticed that my wheel (spitfire f4) has cracked. it’s kinda weird as it has never happened to me before and i don’t really know what to expect now. i removed the bearings to see what’s up with it in there and it’s cracked all the way through the middle to the inner side of the wheel. what should i do?

(https://i.imgur.com/zbw1ONur.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Festivus on January 03, 2019, 04:08:45 PM
when i was skating today i noticed that my wheel (spitfire f4) has cracked. it’s kinda weird as it has never happened to me before and i don’t really know what to expect now. i removed the bearings to see what’s up with it in there and it’s cracked all the way through the middle to the inner side of the wheel. what should i do?

(https://i.imgur.com/zbw1ONur.jpg)


Shoot an email over to [email protected]
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ultrabra on January 12, 2019, 07:55:50 AM
Hi everybody. Has anyone skated Girl happy cruiser wheels? 85a duro.
For example these vs Keyframes.
Thanks.

https://crailstore.com/products/happy-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on January 12, 2019, 01:20:26 PM
I skated the easy streets in a slippery indoor and they felt pretty normal....It's a good question though because they are suppose to a softer wheel that still slides, where an SPF is a harder wheel that sticks....they didn't help me but didn't make things worse....

It's me getting more OCD, but lately I put in a tiny bit of coconut oil around where the bearing sits in the wheel, just so it's exactly where it should be.  Often if you just use the press or use your axel, the bearing can be a bit off, if you ever skate a cored wheel, I at least like how they pop in perfectly.  The bit of lubricant makes the bearing to in easier which is prolly better for it too.  It's just bad news because a bit more grease attracts dirt.....

Carry on....

I use the same 91% isopropyl alchohol I use to clean the bearings.  It evaporates almost instantly but stays wet long enough to slide them all the way in good and flush.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on January 15, 2019, 11:08:37 AM
so i just set up some 52 mm waywards after fucking with the juice exclusively for years. They are way better than all of my last few oj sets. will check back in after a few weeks of wear
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on January 16, 2019, 02:21:52 AM
If someone sends me a set of easy streets I’ll make a review on the ole YouTube and you’ll all see my wack ass skating and kookiness
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on January 16, 2019, 07:50:19 AM
I ordered these last night.
I’ve never had OJs but daddies had that extra 25% off clearance code haha.
Anyone try the Elites yet?
F4s are my fav wheels generally.
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on January 17, 2019, 05:17:58 AM
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when i was skating today i noticed that my wheel (spitfire f4) has cracked. it’s kinda weird as it has never happened to me before and i don’t really know what to expect now. i removed the bearings to see what’s up with it in there and it’s cracked all the way through the middle to the inner side of the wheel. what should i do?

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yeah he didn't answer. did anyone have a similar problem? i don't really want to buy new wheels now because f4s are kinda expensive and i can't really get myself to skate anything else
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: concerned_parent on January 17, 2019, 07:18:54 AM
complements sent me a set of ty evans ATF wheels and they're 10x better than my keyframes bless up plus they got the chomp on this graphic on them so i'm hella happy

(https://smhttp-ssl-60685.nexcesscdn.net/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/8/5/8531.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on January 17, 2019, 08:19:21 AM
complements sent me a set of ty evans ATF wheels and they're 10x better than my keyframes bless up plus they got the chomp on this graphic on them so i'm hella happy

(https://smhttp-ssl-60685.nexcesscdn.net/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/8/5/8531.jpg)

Can you give some more details on how they differ from Keyframes? I've been interested in trying the ATFs out but I'm happy with my Keyframes and the ATFs aren't very widely available and they usually cost quite a bunch, so I haven't.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LennyDLXSF on January 17, 2019, 08:48:25 AM
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when i was skating today i noticed that my wheel (spitfire f4) has cracked. it’s kinda weird as it has never happened to me before and i don’t really know what to expect now. i removed the bearings to see what’s up with it in there and it’s cracked all the way through the middle to the inner side of the wheel. what should i do?

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yeah he didn't answer. did anyone have a similar problem? i don't really want to buy new wheels now because f4s are kinda expensive and i can't really get myself to skate anything else
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Try sending again!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jackduluoz on January 17, 2019, 12:08:18 PM
Just put 54mm Clouds on my cruiser, they feel fuckin great. $42 CAD on amazon prime so I couldn't not.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 18, 2019, 12:25:54 PM
Just scored some free Easy Street Bones. I'm hooked on F4s but I'll give them a try. The unnatural white color is already a little off putting though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on January 18, 2019, 10:03:45 PM
Urine works great....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on January 19, 2019, 01:09:08 AM
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complements sent me a set of ty evans ATF wheels and they're 10x better than my keyframes bless up plus they got the chomp on this graphic on them so i'm hella happy

(https://smhttp-ssl-60685.nexcesscdn.net/media/catalog/product/cache/c687aa7517cf01e65c009f6943c2b1e9/8/5/8531.jpg)
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Can you give some more details on how they differ from Keyframes? I've been interested in trying the ATFs out but I'm happy with my Keyframes and the ATFs aren't very widely available and they usually cost quite a bunch, so I haven't.
I can give you review as soon as that snow melts and I’m gonna be able to hit our crusty streets, as I’ve been skating atf’s for along time and now I have keyframes to try out. I am also quite sure those wheels serves different purposes, atf’s being more ”longboard wheel”-type that rolls over anything but are slow on super smooth ground and keyframes are more in the middle ground between regular street wheel and 78a’s...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hypnotoad on February 03, 2019, 12:00:55 PM
Smoothest rolling 50/51 mm wheel?  Looking for something to use with my Indy lows (yes I still have Indy lows) that are a little less abrasive than the hard ass rictas I have on there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on February 03, 2019, 03:51:54 PM
Smoothest rolling 50/51 mm wheel?  Looking for something to use with my Indy lows (yes I still have Indy lows) that are a little less abrasive than the hard ass rictas I have on there.
Spitfire F4 99d
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Post by: JB77 on February 03, 2019, 09:02:13 PM
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Spitfire F4 99d
Unless you're looking for a "cruiser" style wheel, this seems like the best answer to me. I was on OJ's for a long time, but I'm a Spitfire convert.  Though, if you can deal with a 52mm option, the Bones Easy Streets are probably worth a try, too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on February 04, 2019, 06:58:18 AM
I think the smallest easy is a 53....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 04, 2019, 08:10:22 AM
Smoothest rolling 50/51 mm wheel?  Looking for something to use with my Indy lows (yes I still have Indy lows) that are a little less abrasive than the hard ass rictas I have on there.

https://www.tactics.com/wayward-wheels/najera-levels-funnel-cut-skateboard-wheels/lilac-99a

Waywards are the closest you can get to F4s without buying F4s. In fact, they feel a tad bit more forgiving as far as rattle goes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on February 07, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
aight so this happened today. just rolling down the street and shit just unexpectedly broke in (almost) half. still no answer from dlx

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on February 07, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
Give 'em a bit of time to respond. They'll sort you out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on February 08, 2019, 03:17:40 AM
Give 'em a bit of time to respond. They'll sort you out.

he did actually respond, but for some reason gmail marked it as spam so i didn’t see it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on February 09, 2019, 09:17:17 PM
Smoothest rolling 50/51 mm wheel?  Looking for something to use with my Indy lows (yes I still have Indy lows) that are a little less abrasive than the hard ass rictas I have on there.

I also have a setup with Indy lows and I love Indy lows and how they feel

I use bones stf on my setup, f4 99 work too but softest I would recommend bones 100’s

Love those for nice fair grip and cushioning on impact with a bit of slide  ability
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TurdyBird on February 10, 2019, 01:22:22 AM
This feels pretty against the grain, considering they are some basic ass wheels, but I just got some sml. Tom Know OG wide wides in the mail today!! 20bucks. I honestly was expecting them to be more of a conical shape considering the OG wide name (I'm also a moron), but they are just some basic ass bishes. Not hatin for 20bucks though.

...if some f4 conicals go on clearance somewhere I'm gonna get on dem.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on February 10, 2019, 05:48:42 AM
Is a slightly softer wheel better for concrete pools and things like that? I wanna get into that action (only ever tried mini ramps and the odd QP in skateparks), and am looking at 97a SC Slimeballs.
Also, is a bigger wheel a good idea for that kind of stuff? I mean, I run 55mm F4s (99a) on my regular setup, that’s already bigger than what many people ride, but I could get a decent deal on some 60mm (but thinking that’s a bit too big even with 1/8 inch risers?) or I could get some slightly more expensive 56mm Slimeballs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 10, 2019, 06:59:00 AM
Is a slightly softer wheel better for concrete pools and things like that? I wanna get into that action (only ever tried mini ramps and the odd QP in skateparks), and am looking at 97a SC Slimeballs.
Also, is a bigger wheel a good idea for that kind of stuff? I mean, I run 55mm F4s (99a) on my regular setup, that’s already bigger than what many people ride, but I could get a decent deal on some 60mm (but thinking that’s a bit too big even with 1/8 inch risers?) or I could get some slightly more expensive 56mm Slimeballs.

I go SPF in bowls. The formula grips well and they are fast as fuck. Super fast wheels mean I am working less hard for the same speed and I get less tired. Less tires equals less stupid bails and injury
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: B0udoir on February 10, 2019, 06:49:50 PM
Personally I don't have a great bowl level and I find that bigger wheels are more difficult, because you have less acceleration to recover lost speed when pumping. Also I feel that I am loosing speed with hard wheels, it's like more energy goes into "micro slides" along corners rather than providing me a full boost.  Overall I find that my flow is better with 53mm 99a F4 classics rather than 56mm SPF, but I understand that experimented bowl riders will prefer big hard wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on February 11, 2019, 07:50:11 AM
bigger wheels  have less acceleration  loosing speed with hard wheels
Ignore this man!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on February 12, 2019, 01:50:51 AM
I skate a ton of bowl, and I just skate spitty classic 54’s. Speed is in your lines, not your wheel size!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on February 12, 2019, 04:20:33 AM
Righto, thanks for the input guys. I was mainly concerned with the softness/grip, as my F4s slide out from time to time. Might try a set of Bones then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nth syd bear on February 16, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
Looking forward to trying these

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt-J790liov/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=u24pm0hi80ok
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TurdyBird on February 17, 2019, 12:39:05 AM
Looking forward to trying these

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt-J790liov/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=u24pm0hi80ok

Noice! I got some Tom Knox sml wheels for 20 bucks the other day. 53mm og wides. They've been fun, but they are a little more slippy than the Bones STF's I was runnin before. That's actually part of the reason they've been fun haha. Enjoy homie!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on February 19, 2019, 05:20:52 AM
The AG's are more grippy than f4's and ride pretty well. I ended up giving them to a friend after a week because formula fours felt better to me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on February 19, 2019, 09:37:32 AM
Just grabbed a set of these from my new local.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0191/1588/products/GB-55_1024x1024.jpg?v=1511760911)

Anyone tried this AG formula? MOE SYZLAK where you at?

I need to get off F4s. I love the lock-ins, radials and conicals in 101 (but will do 99 if need be). I think I'm just going to bounce between Sml, Dial Tone and Loophole. Back to supporting the little guys.

give them a shout out real quick yo.

Wifey just got me some new Elites
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 20, 2019, 06:06:37 AM
(https://www.streetplantbrand.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/pink-1-600x600.jpg)

I’m riding these at the moment. I went up from 54 spitfires because the streets are all fucked up right now (winter) and need a bigger wheel. They are a little harder than what I’m used to and don’t slide as well as the Spitfire f4s, but they don’t seem to stop me from doing any of my ledge tricks, they actually feel a bit better on these (not complicated stuff, just basics). They feel a bit clunkier and heavier than my last wheels, but I’m getting used to that and its not too dramatic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on February 21, 2019, 05:24:18 AM
Orbs Specters 54mm 99d
I put like 4 hours of skating on them yesterday.
A little sticky so far but they are fast and cool shape.
The only think I don’t really like is that they are treaded, omg of my favorite things about F4s is they don’t have treads.
Orbs Ghost lites are smooth with no tread but those are too hard for my liking.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/29p55d0.jpg)

(http://i63.tinypic.com/24qkfq1.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on February 21, 2019, 05:09:08 PM
so i know i was posting saying my waywards were better than my elites, but i just set up thee wheels my wife just got me

(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/OJ_ELITE_NORA_Revenge_55_front_448x448.jpg)
holy shit these are fast and slide well.

the elites i had were samples but these are killing it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on February 21, 2019, 05:34:04 PM
so i know i was posting saying my waywards were better than my elites, but i just set up thee wheels my wife just got me

(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/OJ_ELITE_NORA_Revenge_55_front_448x448.jpg)
holy shit these are fast and slide well.

the elites i had were samples but these are killing it
Did you smell your elites when you opened the package?

Also my orbs felt really good today.
Maybe I’m liking them after all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on February 21, 2019, 06:26:24 PM
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so i know i was posting saying my waywards were better than my elites, but i just set up thee wheels my wife just got me

(https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/OJ_ELITE_NORA_Revenge_55_front_448x448.jpg)
holy shit these are fast and slide well.

the elites i had were samples but these are killing it
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Did you smell your elites when you opened the package?

Also my orbs felt really good today.
Maybe I’m liking them after all.

not gonna lie i did smell em. kinda weird
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Chatbot on February 22, 2019, 07:23:57 AM
Does anyone have recommendations for good cruiser wheels? They will be used on a filmer board so something that is quiet.

Was looking at Ricta Clouds and the OJ Super Juice both at 78a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on February 22, 2019, 08:01:15 AM
Does anyone have recommendations for good cruiser wheels? They will be used on a filmer board so something that is quiet.

Was looking at Ricta Clouds and the OJ Super Juice both at 78a

I've got 60 mm 78A Ricta Clouds on my big cruiser. They roll over pretty much everything. Normal size cruiser has 54 mm 87A OJs Keyframes. I like those better cuz they're more closer to normal wheels and still roll over almost everything quite nicely. I guess they're both fairly quiet. Can't really test now as everything is covered in ice, snow and gravel. Don't get the Spitfire 80HDs. Those just plain suck. Too hard but not hard enough. Useless wheels IMO.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on February 22, 2019, 09:25:00 AM
I dig my old Falla Bro-model 60mm 85A PFC cruiser wheels for big cruiser and  55mm 85A Powell G-slides for a smaller cruiser that can power slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Chatbot on February 22, 2019, 11:53:02 AM
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Does anyone have recommendations for good cruiser wheels? They will be used on a filmer board so something that is quiet.

Was looking at Ricta Clouds and the OJ Super Juice both at 78a
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I've got 60 mm 78A Ricta Clouds on my big cruiser. They roll over pretty much everything. Normal size cruiser has 54 mm 87A OJs Keyframes. I like those better cuz they're more closer to normal wheels and still roll over almost everything quite nicely. I guess they're both fairly quiet. Can't really test now as everything is covered in ice, snow and gravel. Don't get the Spitfire 80HDs. Those just plain suck. Too hard but not hard enough. Useless wheels IMO.

Thanks. I think I'm gonna get the Ricta clouds 60mm. I just need them for my filming cruiser as the wheels currently on there are 10 years old. It's like riding 52mm soft wheels that roll slow as fuck. I skate faster on my regular board than with that current cruiser.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on February 22, 2019, 01:46:15 PM
So I’ve skated the easy streets a few times now. I have the v5 in 53mm. They feel pretty much exactly like f4s to me (ive been on mostly 54 conical 99s lately). They slide fine, grip well (so far only skated them on black top). The only thing that bothers me is the sound. When i powerslide, they don’t bark. They make a sound that’s almost like a lazer. It’s really weird and confusing. I love how white and clean they look but I probably won’t buy them again. If I notice any thing different after more time, I’ll come back and chime in again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on February 22, 2019, 01:47:51 PM
So I’ve skated the easy streets a few times now. I have the v5 in 53mm. They feel pretty much exactly like f4s to me (ive been on mostly 54 conical 99s lately). They slide fine, grip well (so far only skated them on black top). The only thing that bothers me is the sound. When i powerslide, they don’t bark. They make a sound that’s almost like a lazer. It’s really weird and confusing. I love how white and clean they look but I probably won’t buy them again. If I notice any thing different after more time, I’ll come back and chime in again.

please record this
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatoDuck on February 22, 2019, 06:29:51 PM
I’ve been thinking about coping some bones V5s because I love square wheels, maybe one day I’ll get some ojs again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on February 22, 2019, 06:41:31 PM
In my 14 posts describing them, I somehow left out the 'pyuuuuu.....pyuuuu.....pyuuuuu' noise.  Silly me. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on February 22, 2019, 07:38:24 PM
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So I’ve skated the easy streets a few times now. I have the v5 in 53mm. They feel pretty much exactly like f4s to me (ive been on mostly 54 conical 99s lately). They slide fine, grip well (so far only skated them on black top). The only thing that bothers me is the sound. When i powerslide, they don’t bark. They make a sound that’s almost like a lazer. It’s really weird and confusing. I love how white and clean they look but I probably won’t buy them again. If I notice any thing different after more time, I’ll come back and chime in again.
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please record this

actual footage of Tangar powersliding

(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/004/465/787/original/aran-anderson-laserbeam.gif?1483970675)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 22, 2019, 07:57:05 PM
Does anyone have recommendations for good cruiser wheels? They will be used on a filmer board so something that is quiet.

Was looking at Ricta Clouds and the OJ Super Juice both at 78a

I have these on my cruiser (previously had the 60mm ricta clouds on there) and they are perfect (plus they are 2 sets of wheels with bearings in each for $10). I like them a little better than the Rictas because they are a little bigger and faster, and are still quiet but sound a little more like my regular wheels when they slide.

https://pennswood.myshopify.com/collections/cruiser-wheels/products/cruiser-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatoDuck on February 24, 2019, 10:30:51 AM
Can anyone tell me about the bones V5?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on February 24, 2019, 11:18:29 AM
Can anyone tell me about the bones V5?

maybe if you post 20 more times today someone will.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatoDuck on February 24, 2019, 11:32:08 AM
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Can anyone tell me about the bones V5?
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maybe if you post 20 more times today someone will.
Man someone must’ve shit in your cornflakes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: corto on February 24, 2019, 06:29:52 PM
I'd like to skate a square but really narrow wheel. 101a so that it slides as but much as possible.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatoDuck on February 24, 2019, 07:34:49 PM
I'd like to skate a square but really narrow wheel. 101a so that it slides as but much as possible.
Like a radial or a V2
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatoDuck on February 24, 2019, 07:38:48 PM
Can anyone recommend a fat square wheel for me?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on February 24, 2019, 08:40:06 PM
Can anyone recommend a fat square wheel for me?

Mate you wheely need to reign in your obsession!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Italianshredder96 on February 24, 2019, 09:26:57 PM
Can anyone tell me about the bones V5?

I got the easy street 54mm they're so good, they lock in perfectly and slide great and if you as me got really bad bad streets the width and Duro are just about right.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on February 25, 2019, 12:01:03 AM
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Can anyone tell me about the bones V5?
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I got the easy street 54mm they're so good, they lock in perfectly and slide great and if you as me got really bad bad streets the width and Duro are just about right.

I was disappointed with how narrow they are. The contact patch is much narrower than on Spitfire radial slims. Otherwise it’s pretty much the exact same width. For a wheel meant to take on rougher streets more easily making them this narrow is stupid. I haven’t been able to test them out yet but I hope the narrowness doesn’t slow them down too much. 🤔

I think all wheels should be like conical fulls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatoDuck on February 25, 2019, 07:05:08 AM
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Can anyone recommend a fat square wheel for me?
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Mate you wheely need to reign in your obsession!
i like this
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on February 26, 2019, 08:40:47 AM
dlx didn't disappoint! i got some f4s in the mail today, exactly the same shape and size (but white instead of swirls, which i'm really happy about) as the defective ones i got, and i fucking live in poland. i really didn't expect them to do anything but they contacted the distributor and got them to send me new wheels. best customer service i've ever experienced.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 26, 2019, 12:13:45 PM
dlx didn't disappoint! i got some f4s in the mail today, exactly the same shape and size (but white instead of swirls, which i'm really happy about) as the defective ones i got, and i fucking live in poland. i really didn't expect them to do anything but they contacted the distributor and got them to send me new wheels. best customer service i've ever experienced.

DLX never disappoint in terms of customer support (or listening to their customer base).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LennyDLXSF on February 27, 2019, 10:58:40 AM
dlx didn't disappoint! i got some f4s in the mail today, exactly the same shape and size (but white instead of swirls, which i'm really happy about) as the defective ones i got, and i fucking live in poland. i really didn't expect them to do anything but they contacted the distributor and got them to send me new wheels. best customer service i've ever experienced.

Happy to help!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on February 28, 2019, 02:34:43 AM
what’s the biggest size wheel y’all would ride without risers on a 55mm truck?
any experiences with bigger than 54?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on February 28, 2019, 02:49:42 AM
i did 56's and it was pretty brutal without risers. even around 54 i'd be somewhat skeptical depending on how loose you run your trucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on February 28, 2019, 03:21:49 AM
I run 56mm conical fulls on Indy 149s (which i think are 55mm) with medium bones bushings and I run them on the loose side.

I have no problems outside of what I get on my other setups with smaller wheels. I really do not like risers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on February 28, 2019, 04:33:38 AM
what’s the biggest size wheel y’all would ride without risers on a 55mm truck?
any experiences with bigger than 54?

Indy says you can do 56mm on the standard (55mm height truck) and 54mm on the forged trucks (53.5 height).

Both of which I've done and worked.  I'm also susceptible to wheelbite due to my sloppy skating
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on February 28, 2019, 05:32:33 AM
i ran 56mm stf v5s on thunder 149s stock bushings relatively loose and it was wheelbite hell. land a pop shove even slightly off and it'd stick. chucked risers on and it reduced it but was still significant. kept the risers for years after despite dropping to 54s, removed them the other day (im probably at 52s now) and no significant wheelbite.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on February 28, 2019, 07:38:33 AM
There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2019, 10:55:21 AM
There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮

Basically the same as my experience: much harder to get wheelbite with ventures, and aces don’t wheelbite much, for me, with 56 conical fills and no risers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2019, 11:53:56 AM
There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮

Yeah shits borked, even worse on mobile.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2019, 11:55:34 AM
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what’s the biggest size wheel y’all would ride without risers on a 55mm truck?
any experiences with bigger than 54?
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Indy says you can do 56mm on the standard (55mm height truck) and 54mm on the forged trucks (53.5 height).

Both of which I've done and worked.  I'm also susceptible to wheelbite due to my sloppy skating

I wheelbite as well using the 'max' mm size without risers; I just ride too loose and sketchy; I wheelbite 50mm ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on February 28, 2019, 05:21:50 PM
There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮

interesting. you guys think thats more of a geometry thing or a bushing thing?

i also dont like risers, so im wondering how far i could push it while experimenting with shapes and sizes

EDIT: follow up, anyone tried the Acid Chemical Co. Pods?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on February 28, 2019, 09:11:11 PM
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There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮
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interesting. you guys think thats more of a geometry thing or a bushing thing?

i also dont like risers, so im wondering how far i could push it while experimenting with shapes and sizes

I think at least part of it is that they aren't specifying a truck width in that wheel size recommendation.  Wider trucks will wheelbite easier.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on February 28, 2019, 09:55:09 PM
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There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮
[close]

interesting. you guys think thats more of a geometry thing or a bushing thing?

i also dont like risers, so im wondering how far i could push it while experimenting with shapes and sizes

EDIT: follow up, anyone tried the Acid Chemical Co. Pods?

Geometry, 100 percent. Turn your board on it's side and imagine a straight line between the pivot cup and
axle – the angle of that line is a big factor in how sharp trucks can turn. The steeper it is, the more turn you
get before the wheels hit the deck. I think Aces might be the turniest in that regard. There's obviously other
factors: one brand of truck can effectively shrink or extend your wheelbase. Narrower trucks turn sharper,
and therefore get less wheelbite (Indy and Thunder both make trucks that are 8.5, where as Ace 44s are actually
8.35). It would be cool if truck companies used some kind of standardized measure of turning radius on a 54mm
wheel.

Sorry to pollute this wheel discussion with trucks-set-up-thread level nerdiness.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on February 28, 2019, 11:14:54 PM
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There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮
[close]

interesting. you guys think thats more of a geometry thing or a bushing thing?

i also dont like risers, so im wondering how far i could push it while experimenting with shapes and sizes

EDIT: follow up, anyone tried the Acid Chemical Co. Pods?
[close]

Geometry, 100 percent. Turn your board on it's side and imagine a straight line between the pivot cup and
axle – the angle of that line is a big factor in how sharp trucks can turn. The steeper it is, the more turn you
get before the wheels hit the deck. I think Aces might be the turniest in that regard. There's obviously other
factors: one brand of truck can effectively shrink or extend your wheelbase. Narrower trucks turn sharper,
and therefore get less wheelbite (Indy and Thunder both make trucks that are 8.5, where as Ace 44s are actually
8.35). It would be cool if truck companies used some kind of standardized measure of turning radius on a 54mm
wheel.

Sorry to pollute this wheel discussion with trucks-set-up-thread level nerdiness.

Yeah, geometry for sure. I’m running 78A super soft bushings on Venture 5.8s
and still they’re not exactly easy to wheelbite. Sure, with the harder stock bushings
it’s even harder but it’s much more about the geometry.

Note: sorry for the wonky formatting, the reply box is fucked for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on February 28, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
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There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮
[close]

interesting. you guys think thats more of a geometry thing or a bushing thing?

i also dont like risers, so im wondering how far i could push it while experimenting with shapes and sizes

EDIT: follow up, anyone tried the Acid Chemical Co. Pods?
[close]

Geometry, 100 percent. Turn your board on it's side and imagine a straight line between the pivot cup and
axle – the angle of that line is a big factor in how sharp trucks can turn. The steeper it is, the more turn you
get before the wheels hit the deck. I think Aces might be the turniest in that regard. There's obviously other
factors: one brand of truck can effectively shrink or extend your wheelbase. Narrower trucks turn sharper,
and therefore get less wheelbite (Indy and Thunder both make trucks that are 8.5, where as Ace 44s are actually
8.35). It would be cool if truck companies used some kind of standardized measure of turning radius on a 54mm
wheel.

Sorry to pollute this wheel discussion with trucks-set-up-thread level nerdiness.
[close]

Yeah, geometry for sure. I’m running 78A super soft bushings on Venture 5.8s
and still they’re not exactly easy to wheelbite. Sure, with the harder stock bushings
it’s even harder but it’s much more about the geometry.

Note: sorry for the wonky formatting, the reply box is fucked for me.

cool insight guys thanks! geometry def makes more sense than bushings, although i wouldn't know from experience.
im a basic bitch and have pretty much only ridden indys and 53mm wheels, but ive been trying to change that recently and experiment more.

interested in those Acid Chem 55mm 86A Pods for my "late to work/class" setup—hold the risers tho
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 01, 2019, 02:09:55 AM
interesting, was having a hard time fathoming how you fellas could be running 56s on aces and getting less wheelbite than 56s on thunders when aces are considered the looser/carvier truck but i didnt take geometry into account.

man i really need to branch out from thunders.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatoDuck on March 01, 2019, 07:52:30 AM
interesting, was having a hard time fathoming how you fellas could be running 56s on aces and getting less wheelbite than 56s on thunders when aces are considered the looser/carvier truck but i didnt take geometry into account.

man i really need to branch out from thunders.
risers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tedkootz on March 01, 2019, 08:09:12 AM
kinda want to try the alien workshop brand clone wheels, anybody have any feedback about them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 01, 2019, 08:24:40 AM
interesting, was having a hard time fathoming how you fellas could be running 56s on aces and getting less wheelbite than 56s on thunders when aces are considered the looser/carvier truck but i didnt take geometry into account.

man i really need to branch out from thunders.

And ACEs are 52mm tall, not so far off from Thunders yet are significantly more carving feeling due to the geo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: subparcurbslapper on March 01, 2019, 09:08:56 AM
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There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮
[close]

interesting. you guys think thats more of a geometry thing or a bushing thing?

i also dont like risers, so im wondering how far i could push it while experimenting with shapes and sizes

EDIT: follow up, anyone tried the Acid Chemical Co. Pods?
[close]

Geometry, 100 percent. Turn your board on it's side and imagine a straight line between the pivot cup and
axle – the angle of that line is a big factor in how sharp trucks can turn. The steeper it is, the more turn you
get before the wheels hit the deck. I think Aces might be the turniest in that regard. There's obviously other
factors: one brand of truck can effectively shrink or extend your wheelbase. Narrower trucks turn sharper,
and therefore get less wheelbite (Indy and Thunder both make trucks that are 8.5, where as Ace 44s are actually
8.35). It would be cool if truck companies used some kind of standardized measure of turning radius on a 54mm
wheel.

Sorry to pollute this wheel discussion with trucks-set-up-thread level nerdiness.
[close]

Yeah, geometry for sure. I’m running 78A super soft bushings on Venture 5.8s
and still they’re not exactly easy to wheelbite. Sure, with the harder stock bushings
it’s even harder but it’s much more about the geometry.

Note: sorry for the wonky formatting, the reply box is fucked for me.
How do you like the soft bushings in your Ventures? I've been wanting to try the same thing.

Sorry for more truck set up talk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on March 01, 2019, 10:23:07 AM
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There’s more to it than just truck height.
I run 54 mm wheels on pretty much all my setups and with Indys (55 mm high) I get wheelbite sometimes.
On Venture His (also 55 mm high) it’s really hard to get them to wheelbite even though I run mine loose as fuck.
Aces also don’t wheelbite easily at all with 54 mm wheels despite being 52 mm tall.



Fucking slap is bugging. Have to press enter after every row or otherwise the Post-button goes missing. 😮
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interesting. you guys think thats more of a geometry thing or a bushing thing?

i also dont like risers, so im wondering how far i could push it while experimenting with shapes and sizes

EDIT: follow up, anyone tried the Acid Chemical Co. Pods?
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Geometry, 100 percent. Turn your board on it's side and imagine a straight line between the pivot cup and
axle – the angle of that line is a big factor in how sharp trucks can turn. The steeper it is, the more turn you
get before the wheels hit the deck. I think Aces might be the turniest in that regard. There's obviously other
factors: one brand of truck can effectively shrink or extend your wheelbase. Narrower trucks turn sharper,
and therefore get less wheelbite (Indy and Thunder both make trucks that are 8.5, where as Ace 44s are actually
8.35). It would be cool if truck companies used some kind of standardized measure of turning radius on a 54mm
wheel.

Sorry to pollute this wheel discussion with trucks-set-up-thread level nerdiness.
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Yeah, geometry for sure. I’m running 78A super soft bushings on Venture 5.8s
and still they’re not exactly easy to wheelbite. Sure, with the harder stock bushings
it’s even harder but it’s much more about the geometry.

Note: sorry for the wonky formatting, the reply box is fucked for me.
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How do you like the soft bushings in your Ventures? I've been wanting to try the same thing.

Sorry for more truck set up talk

I like it. Very easy turning in the center, which I like. Might be way too wobbly for some people though. The turn isn’t exactly deep though. I have them on my cruiser which doesn’t require much deep turns. I briefly tried slappies with the cruiser last summer and it was so fucking weird as I had to do the approach and turn completely different than on Aces. The Venture pop makes me want to keep them and for my normal cruising use they do the job very well. If you like Ventures, getting softer bushings will just make them more easy to control with tiny movements instead of putting tons of force into it to get them to turn.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SHIREFLIP on March 11, 2019, 06:07:20 AM
The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 11, 2019, 06:43:36 AM
The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?

I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ultrabra on March 11, 2019, 12:40:48 PM
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The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
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I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.



I have 90a ML wheels too. They do have a bit of bounce to them. I´m not sure if they are 90 or a bit under actually. But i think the lack of a core in them might make them bouncier too. And sometimes it feels like they flex a little on harder turns.

I am going to get some Ricta cloud 92´s next to test. They have cores.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: front3 on March 11, 2019, 01:39:15 PM
Tried out a set of spitfire f4 full conicals 52mm 101d. Perfect wheel in my opinion. Super easy to slide with but still feel in control. Rode them around town and they handled the shitty streets very well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 11, 2019, 02:21:30 PM
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The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
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I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.
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I have 90a ML wheels too. They do have a bit of bounce to them. I´m not sure if they are 90 or a bit under actually. But i think the lack of a core in them might make them bouncier too. And sometimes it feels like they flex a little on harder turns.

I am going to get some Ricta cloud 92´s next to test. They have cores.

Yeah it does kind of seem like they are a bit under 90a now that you mention it. I was riding super soft 78a Ricta wheels for a couple years and the ML wheels feel only slightly harder than them. I wish they made a 95a, because the 90a are too soft to slide, but I like the shape and how they feel on the street. I was thinking about getting the Ricta 92a, but am liking the 60mm size rn and I think those only go up to 56. Please post about them if you end up getting them, I’m curious how they feel!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on March 11, 2019, 02:28:05 PM
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The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
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I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.
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I have 90a ML wheels too. They do have a bit of bounce to them. I´m not sure if they are 90 or a bit under actually. But i think the lack of a core in them might make them bouncier too. And sometimes it feels like they flex a little on harder turns.

I am going to get some Ricta cloud 92´s next to test. They have cores.

i said this elsewhere but imo the 92a rictas are very rattly and you dont really get the benefits of a cruiser nor a regular wheel. i have the 90a ML in 53 and they are much smoother. i cant slide either wheel, but that could just be my lack of skillz

i assume the difference in hardness is very noticeable even if they they're close in a-rating because they use different urethane formulas. i'd believe there are more aspects to how a wheel feels than how deep you can press a pointy metal rod into it.

considering letting go of my 54mm 92a clouds if you're interested.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 11, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
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The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
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I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.
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I have 90a ML wheels too. They do have a bit of bounce to them. I´m not sure if they are 90 or a bit under actually. But i think the lack of a core in them might make them bouncier too. And sometimes it feels like they flex a little on harder turns.

I am going to get some Ricta cloud 92´s next to test. They have cores.
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i said this elsewhere but imo the 92a rictas are very rattly and you dont really get the benefits of a cruiser nor a regular wheel. i have the 90a ML in 53 and they are much smoother. i cant slide either wheel, but that could just be my lack of skillz

i assume the difference in hardness is very noticeable even if they they're close in a-rating because they use different urethane formulas. i'd believe there are more aspects to how a wheel feels than how deep you can press a pointy metal rod into it.

considering letting go of my 54mm 92a clouds if you're interested.

Cool, thanks for posting that!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ultrabra on March 12, 2019, 06:54:36 AM
Thank you for your input Sundaynuggets and Weon.
Rictas will be interesting to test. Just hope the weather will allow me to go out and skate :'(

I will compare them at some point. And post about them.
Peace!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 12, 2019, 06:58:26 AM
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The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
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I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.

6 miles each way? how long does that take and whats the conditions like?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 12, 2019, 07:50:01 AM
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The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
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I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.
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6 miles each way? how long does that take and whats the conditions like?

I only do it like once or twice a week (the rest of the week I either drive in with my wife or catch the El) but without stopping to skate spots it usually takes me around 40-50 minutes or so each way. I take my time and go at a fairly casual pace though. Otherwise my legs get too beat up too fast. It typically takes longer because I’ll stop and hit spots on the way :)

It’s in Philly, so depending on which way I go the streets vary wildly from freshly paved and smooth, to horrible and torn to shreds. Right now the streets are generally awful because of the snow, construction everywhere and general disrepair. Its like skating on granola with pebbles everywhere.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 12, 2019, 07:51:36 AM
Thank you for your input Sundaynuggets and Weon.
Rictas will be interesting to test. Just hope the weather will allow me to go out and skate :'(

I will compare them at some point. And post about them.
Peace!

My pleasure! I hear ya, between the rain and the snow its been a pain in the ass trying to get out and skate where I am too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SHIREFLIP on March 12, 2019, 08:29:37 AM
So I can assume 78a wheels will be like skating marshmallows?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 12, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
So I can assume 78a wheels will be like skating marshmallows?

They generally ride very smooth. I tried a bunch of different companies 78a wheels a couple years back and I liked Ricta clouds the best. They were smoother and somehow an easier ride than the other soft wheels I tried.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on March 13, 2019, 05:28:29 PM
Are Acid Chem Co. wheels any good? They’re a bit cheaper than other brands and I’m looking at a set of 56mm 82a Clean Machines for cruiser and crust purposes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 14, 2019, 03:47:11 AM
i cant vouch for acid chem co but in my experience over the last year or two of bouncing around between the higher and lower spectrum of wheel companies, generally most of the cheaper wheels don't stack up well compared to the higher priced ones and most of the time you'll just be left wishing you copped stfs or f4s. skating some fast wheel co wheels rn, 83b yet compared to stf v5s which are also 83b there's no comparison.

i suppose if it's just for a cruiser then you wont have to worry about shit like that and if they're cheap enough then by all means go for it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on March 14, 2019, 03:53:02 AM
How much cheaper? I’ve had 55mm 86a Acid Pods in my newest cruiser for about a week now. They do their job well, they... cruise nicely I guess? I like their width. Been happy over the last week, no complaints so far, but granted it’s early in our relationship, and theyre the softest wheels I ride regularly. They were 35 bucks which seems average to me?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on March 14, 2019, 04:54:13 AM
I live in Norway, a set of F4s will typically cost around 500 NOK which is roughly 60 USD. Spitfire Classics or wheels from Bones or OJ are often a little bit cheaper than that. I can get Acid wheels for 300, that’s 35 dollars.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 16, 2019, 09:11:31 PM
Anyone know the width of Bones V3 Slims in 50mm in 83b? They don't have it posted on their site for some reason. I'm debating those, or the Spitfire F4 Classics in 50mm which are which are 30mm wide. I like small wheels (obviously) and I don't like wide wheels, that's why I am leaning towards Bones, they look smaller in Pictures. Currently skating some Autobahns in 50mm, can't find the specs on them but I think they are 99a, and they are skinny which I like, just wish they were a bit harder.

I have never had a pair of Spitfires I liked, always flat spotted them (even F4's) but that was way back when they first came out. I'm torn, probably going to grab the bones, unless someone here can sway me otherwise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on March 16, 2019, 09:39:05 PM
Just get bones if you don’t like spits dawg. I skated a brand new set of F4 99 conical 52s the other day at red park in SJ. I’ve tried to not powerslide right away on new wheels recently because of slaps craziness. But I quickly forgot they were brand new and they skated great. Felt a little bit extra grippy on some speed checks but I’m sure that will get easier when they fully break in. Got some classic full f4s coming in too so that should be fun.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on March 17, 2019, 12:25:25 AM
Anyone know the width of Bones V3 Slims in 50mm in 83b?

They are 28mm wide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lloyd Braun on March 17, 2019, 01:31:38 PM
Just get bones if you don’t like spits dawg. I skated a brand new set of F4 99 conical 52s the other day at red park in SJ. I’ve tried to not powerslide right away on new wheels recently because of slaps craziness. But I quickly forgot they were brand new and they skated great. Felt a little bit extra grippy on some speed checks but I’m sure that will get easier when they fully break in. Got some classic full f4s coming in too so that should be fun.

Yeah, more I think of it the more I'm leaning towards Bones, I want to like spitfire, dope brand, just never had a good experience with their product.

They are 28mm wide.
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Thanks man!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 18, 2019, 11:18:57 AM
Anyone try these Slimeballs? (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_IfpTQJSToZsogAdKKA1SwmTXDGo3aHInWKQ9lPzkXxyaVRNTtsBV_MGeyqCaInrvomsctlBniWmzT6GdpXmxrZAl9jojRf1DFcyLGYxmeqOiZ-pO7iB-kdMvPGPLp32zKcfMMTU8v9lI4PgV5AOc2rGmqPrBkPCMtNKkCdWTJKXulq1Nw=s600-pd-e365-pc0xffffff)

I’m curious how the 97a slides and how soft they feel. I keep going back and forth between 90a and 99a wheels depending on where and what I’m skating and am looking to see if these (or any other 97a’s) are noticeably different from 99a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on March 18, 2019, 01:50:51 PM
Anyone try these Slimeballs? (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_IfpTQJSToZsogAdKKA1SwmTXDGo3aHInWKQ9lPzkXxyaVRNTtsBV_MGeyqCaInrvomsctlBniWmzT6GdpXmxrZAl9jojRf1DFcyLGYxmeqOiZ-pO7iB-kdMvPGPLp32zKcfMMTU8v9lI4PgV5AOc2rGmqPrBkPCMtNKkCdWTJKXulq1Nw=s600-pd-e365-pc0xffffff)

I’m curious how the 97a slides and how soft they feel. I keep going back and forth between 90a and 99a wheels depending on where and what I’m skating and am looking to see if these (or any other 97a’s) are noticeably different from 99a

didn't feel that much softer than a 99 F4 to me and noticeably harder than 90a ML. granted i didnt spend much time with them bc i got tired of using risers w/ the 60mm ones

is Bones phasing out the V categories for shapes? went on their website and couldn't find specs for each V type.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on March 18, 2019, 02:01:03 PM

is Bones phasing out the V categories for shapes? went on their website and couldn't find specs for each V type.

I think so.  They are renaming them to be more descriptive

V1 = Standard
V2 = Locks
V3 = Slims
V4 = Wide
V5 = Sidecut

And they have a new shape - Fatties
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on March 18, 2019, 02:07:49 PM
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is Bones phasing out the V categories for shapes? went on their website and couldn't find specs for each V type.
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I think so.  They are renaming them to be more descriptive

V1 = Standard
V2 = Locks
V3 = Slims
V4 = Wide
V5 = Sidecut

And they have a new shape - Fatties

sick, thanks duder
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 18, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
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Anyone try these Slimeballs? (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_IfpTQJSToZsogAdKKA1SwmTXDGo3aHInWKQ9lPzkXxyaVRNTtsBV_MGeyqCaInrvomsctlBniWmzT6GdpXmxrZAl9jojRf1DFcyLGYxmeqOiZ-pO7iB-kdMvPGPLp32zKcfMMTU8v9lI4PgV5AOc2rGmqPrBkPCMtNKkCdWTJKXulq1Nw=s600-pd-e365-pc0xffffff)

I’m curious how the 97a slides and how soft they feel. I keep going back and forth between 90a and 99a wheels depending on where and what I’m skating and am looking to see if these (or any other 97a’s) are noticeably different from 99a
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didn't feel that much softer than a 99 F4 to me and noticeably harder than 90a ML. granted i didnt spend much time with them bc i got tired of using risers w/ the 60mm ones

is Bones phasing out the V categories for shapes? went on their website and couldn't find specs for each V type.

Gotcha, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on March 18, 2019, 06:37:21 PM
I haven’t spent that much time on the Slimeballs yet but so far I prefer them to 99a F4s on smooth skatepark concrete. I slip out a lot in hard turns on the F4s, that didn’t happen yet on the Slimeballs. Powerslides feel really nice on the Slimeballs but are almost silent, no aural excitement there.
Once spring comes and I can skate the streets again I’ll still stick to my F4s though. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 18, 2019, 07:27:40 PM
I haven’t spent that much time on the Slimeballs yet but so far I prefer them to 99a F4s on smooth skatepark concrete. I slip out a lot in hard turns on the F4s, that didn’t happen yet on the Slimeballs. Powerslides feel really nice on the Slimeballs but are almost silent, no aural excitement there.
Once spring comes and I can skate the streets again I’ll still stick to my F4s though.


Gotcha, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BasedSenpai on March 18, 2019, 08:05:21 PM
What's up with them OJ elite urethane wheels? Thinking about copping a set. I been on Spitfire classics for years, always wanted to try OJ though since I've always dug their team. Unfortunately in my experience Spitfire doesnt have the best quality control. Each set of wheels I had varied from the last. Some flatspotted easily, some didnt flat spot at all. But I always loved the shape and hardness.
Trying to find a more consistent wheel and OJ seems to be really hyping up this newer formula. However I'm wary of marketing gimmicks, I tried those formula four wheels and hated em.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: landedprimo on March 18, 2019, 11:13:41 PM
Has anyone tried Crupiê wheels? I picked up a two pairs of FP Insoles for my wife and I and got 52mm 101a Ribeiro's free.

Just got them today, so I haven't had a chance to try them out yet.

Thoughts?

(https://www.concrete-visionary.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/WB-Carlos-Ribeiro-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on March 19, 2019, 06:43:18 AM
What's up with them OJ elite urethane wheels? Thinking about copping a set. I been on Spitfire classics for years, always wanted to try OJ though since I've always dug their team. Unfortunately in my experience Spitfire doesnt have the best quality control. Each set of wheels I had varied from the last. Some flatspotted easily, some didnt flat spot at all. But I always loved the shape and hardness.
Trying to find a more consistent wheel and OJ seems to be really hyping up this newer formula. However I'm wary of marketing gimmicks, I tried those formula four wheels and hated em.

I need to know the exact same

Anyone got more recent feedback?

I know there’s a search bar but I want an updated opinion/review

I liked oj’s og 99a formula but they were slow as snail balls

Tried the insane a thane and they sucked

Now what are the elites like?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on March 19, 2019, 06:22:02 PM
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What's up with them OJ elite urethane wheels? Thinking about copping a set. I been on Spitfire classics for years, always wanted to try OJ though since I've always dug their team. Unfortunately in my experience Spitfire doesnt have the best quality control. Each set of wheels I had varied from the last. Some flatspotted easily, some didnt flat spot at all. But I always loved the shape and hardness.
Trying to find a more consistent wheel and OJ seems to be really hyping up this newer formula. However I'm wary of marketing gimmicks, I tried those formula four wheels and hated em.
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I need to know the exact same

Anyone got more recent feedback?

I know there’s a search bar but I want an updated opinion/review

I liked oj’s og 99a formula but they were slow as snail balls

Tried the insane a thane and they sucked

Now what are the elites like?

so right now i have two pairs of elites.

just set up the Nora universals after valentines day, which feel fast (pretty obvious because they were brand new) and they slide great for ledge maneuvers. On another setup I have the hardline samples. The universals feel a lot better on street or whatever which I guess is expected, but now that the hardlines are a bit older they feel a little slower than before, but still roll significantly better than the insane a thanes, and the older wheels they had.

In between those sets I had some 51mm waywards and those feel trash compared to the hardlines. The waywards slid well for tricks, but just rolling reminded me of my old OJ's (but no one is really asking about wayward sooo...).

My apologies if that was all over the place. I know I have too many comparisons in there but I hope that helps. I guess my personal final verdict is that OJ has stepped it up a shit ton with the Elite formula, but I do have to note up until those waywards I have been skating only OJ wheels for about four or five years now so I wouldnt be able to compare them to any other brands.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on March 20, 2019, 10:13:29 PM
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What's up with them OJ elite urethane wheels? Thinking about copping a set. I been on Spitfire classics for years, always wanted to try OJ though since I've always dug their team. Unfortunately in my experience Spitfire doesnt have the best quality control. Each set of wheels I had varied from the last. Some flatspotted easily, some didnt flat spot at all. But I always loved the shape and hardness.
Trying to find a more consistent wheel and OJ seems to be really hyping up this newer formula. However I'm wary of marketing gimmicks, I tried those formula four wheels and hated em.
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I need to know the exact same

Anyone got more recent feedback?

I know there’s a search bar but I want an updated opinion/review

I liked oj’s og 99a formula but they were slow as snail balls

Tried the insane a thane and they sucked

Now what are the elites like?
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so right now i have two pairs of elites.

just set up the Nora universals after valentines day, which feel fast (pretty obvious because they were brand new) and they slide great for ledge maneuvers. On another setup I have the hardline samples. The universals feel a lot better on street or whatever which I guess is expected, but now that the hardlines are a bit older they feel a little slower than before, but still roll significantly better than the insane a thanes, and the older wheels they had.

In between those sets I had some 51mm waywards and those feel trash compared to the hardlines. The waywards slid well for tricks, but just rolling reminded me of my old OJ's (but no one is really asking about wayward sooo...).

My apologies if that was all over the place. I know I have too many comparisons in there but I hope that helps. I guess my personal final verdict is that OJ has stepped it up a shit ton with the Elite formula, but I do have to note up until those waywards I have been skating only OJ wheels for about four or five years now so I wouldnt be able to compare them to any other brands.

Nice, maybe I’ll grab a set of elites to try

I loved the way the og 99a oj felt, they were sticky but could slide if you really wanted to, they were just sooooooooooo slow for some reason

They felt like spit classics but more to my preference, smooth and grippy

I loved them so much I got an oj shirt then discovered how much better f4 and stf were and now I’m like do I even rep the juice anymore or...?

Tried the wayward hype and they weren’t bad, I like how smooth and quality my 52mm fairfax 101a felt but they honestly didn’t feel much better compared to the likes of f4/stf, they just felt like a better spit classic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on March 21, 2019, 05:25:12 AM
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What's up with them OJ elite urethane wheels? Thinking about copping a set. I been on Spitfire classics for years, always wanted to try OJ though since I've always dug their team. Unfortunately in my experience Spitfire doesnt have the best quality control. Each set of wheels I had varied from the last. Some flatspotted easily, some didnt flat spot at all. But I always loved the shape and hardness.
Trying to find a more consistent wheel and OJ seems to be really hyping up this newer formula. However I'm wary of marketing gimmicks, I tried those formula four wheels and hated em.
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I need to know the exact same

Anyone got more recent feedback?

I know there’s a search bar but I want an updated opinion/review

I liked oj’s og 99a formula but they were slow as snail balls

Tried the insane a thane and they sucked

Now what are the elites like?
The elites are fine, hard and smooth. I got a small flat spot on mine the second day.
When I opened the package they fully smelled like cocain.
Slide fine but not as easily as F4s, harder feel than F4s.
If you get them, sniff them as soon as you open the package.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on March 21, 2019, 06:44:54 AM
Has anyone tried Crupiê wheels? I picked up a two pairs of FP Insoles for my wife and I and got 52mm 101a Ribeiro's free.

Just got them today, so I haven't had a chance to try them out yet.

Thoughts?

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They are legit, high quality wheels, mostly in very narrow shapes that I like.
They are durable, stay white, resist flatspots really good and are usually dirt cheap.
I went from STF to Crupie and to tell you the truth I couldn't tell the difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DaSk8D00D on March 21, 2019, 09:45:52 AM
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Has anyone tried Crupiê wheels? I picked up a two pairs of FP Insoles for my wife and I and got 52mm 101a Ribeiro's free.

Just got them today, so I haven't had a chance to try them out yet.

Thoughts?

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They are legit, high quality wheels, mostly in very narrow shapes that I like.
They are durable, stay white, resist flatspots really good and are usually dirt cheap.
I went from STF to Crupie and to tell you the truth I couldn't tell the difference.

I love Crupies and actually picked up my 3rd set recently that I’m gonna use on my next setup. I only skate Bones STF, Spitfire F4s, and Crupies. They usually come in narrower “tech” shapes/widths. Good flatspot resistance, urethane stays white for quite a while which is cool, and the they squeal better than any other wheels when you land/revert. Fuckin love how they sound when you “skkkrrrrt” on 180 tricks. To top it all off they’re usually a cheaper wheel at about $22-25. Their distro concrete-visionary.com is doing buy one get one free for $30 this which is a pretty nice deal too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: landedprimo on March 21, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
Nice! I finally got something for free that wasn't worthless. Thanks to both of you for the report.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 21, 2019, 07:59:22 PM
I had a pair of crupies not too long ago. I loved them until they flat spotted the hell out of one after like a month or so. Hit a rock and dragged it. They were great until then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 22, 2019, 12:01:36 PM
so i bought a set of ricta blake johnson naturals 101a 54mm £30. not sure about the whole one blue wheel thing but i said fuck it and got em since the only other shit they had in this local bike shop were some 51mm tom astas and spitfire lowdowns (also before i get shit its a fuckin legit shop)

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my first impressions of them were that they felt v similar to formula 4s in terms of how easy it is to chuck a slide. didnt have much on hand to compare to, skated my friends board with spitfire classic gt's (99ds) and they def rolled quicker/slide much better, then some 99a formula fours and again they slid better. probably due to the higher durometer and the fact they were brand new so ill see how they are after a few sessions but overall for 30 quid im very pleased.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on March 23, 2019, 02:02:12 AM
so i bought a set of ricta blake johnson naturals 101a 54mm £30. not sure about the whole one blue wheel thing but i said fuck it and got em since the only other shit they had in this local bike shop were some 51mm tom astas and spitfire lowdowns (also before i get shit its a fuckin legit shop)

(https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server5800/c708inhv/products/9047/images/32732/RIC-SKW-0505__80240.1515081393.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

my first impressions of them were that they felt v similar to formula 4s in terms of how easy it is to chuck a slide. didnt have much on hand to compare to, skated my friends board with spitfire classic gt's (99ds) and they def rolled quicker/slide much better, then some 99a formula fours and again they slid better. probably due to the higher durometer and the fact they were brand new so ill see how they are after a few sessions but overall for 30 quid im very pleased.

Please do, ive always wanted to try a good set of Rictas cause my fav skaters use to ride them but I always heard bad things cause China and I got a set of the old nrg Sandoval and they were terrible

Like a China knock off of stf’s, they did roll fast but that’s all they had going for them, they didn’t slide well and just didn’t absorb bad spots ground well and chattered all over
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on March 23, 2019, 08:13:04 AM
Just get the Rapido's. They are like a better feeling STF, all the benefits but less plasticy roll. They would probably take over F4's for my favorite wheel if I wasn't a sucker for the Spitfire tan color.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on March 24, 2019, 02:34:58 AM
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so i bought a set of ricta blake johnson naturals 101a 54mm £30. not sure about the whole one blue wheel thing but i said fuck it and got em since the only other shit they had in this local bike shop were some 51mm tom astas and spitfire lowdowns (also before i get shit its a fuckin legit shop)

my first impressions of them were that they felt v similar to formula 4s in terms of how easy it is to chuck a slide. didnt have much on hand to compare to, skated my friends board with spitfire classic gt's (99ds) and they def rolled quicker/slide much better, then some 99a formula fours and again they slid better. probably due to the higher durometer and the fact they were brand new so ill see how they are after a few sessions but overall for 30 quid im very pleased.
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Please do, ive always wanted to try a good set of Rictas cause my fav skaters use to ride them but I always heard bad things cause China and I got a set of the old nrg Sandoval and they were terrible

Like a China knock off of stf’s, they did roll fast but that’s all they had going for them, they didn’t slide well and just didn’t absorb bad spots ground well and chattered all over

after my second session on them i'd say china stf's wouldn't be too far off it, maybe more of an unrefined f4/stfs as with f4s etc you can slide them but still have control, with these rictas they slide a shit ton and it takes some more to control them but again probably still need wearing in some more. they roll fast but also slide well and go straight over rough as fuck shit. our local spot is somewhat rough floor (well not rough but its not smooth) and they were perfect, skated some smooth tarmac they rolled like a dream then hit this crusty stone wallie spot and they were great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on March 30, 2019, 03:07:57 PM
Had my first session with the Bones Easy Streets today. They are not faster than Spitfire Formula Four 99s nor do they slide better. They are decent wheels but nothing special. No reason to get them over the Spits at all. Might try to sell mine and just buy another set of Spits to replace them 🤔
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on March 30, 2019, 09:08:28 PM
Had my first session with the Bones Easy Streets today. They are not faster than Spitfire Formula Four 99s nor do they slide better. They are decent wheels but nothing special. No reason to get them over the Spits at all. Might try to sell mine and just buy another set of Spits to replace them 🤔

What size and shape? How much would you want for them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on March 31, 2019, 12:24:54 AM
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Had my first session with the Bones Easy Streets today. They are not faster than Spitfire Formula Four 99s nor do they slide better. They are decent wheels but nothing special. No reason to get them over the Spits at all. Might try to sell mine and just buy another set of Spits to replace them 🤔
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What size and shape? How much would you want for them?

54 mm and I dunno what the shape is called but it’s whatever shape the 54 mm ones came in. I live in Finland though so unless you live here too, it probably won’t work out. 🤔
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on March 31, 2019, 12:30:40 AM
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Had my first session with the Bones Easy Streets today. They are not faster than Spitfire Formula Four 99s nor do they slide better. They are decent wheels but nothing special. No reason to get them over the Spits at all. Might try to sell mine and just buy another set of Spits to replace them 🤔
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What size and shape? How much would you want for them?
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54 mm and I dunno what the shape is called but it’s whatever shape the 54 mm ones came in. I live in Finland though so unless you live here too, it probably won’t work out. 🤔

ahh damn nevermind. There's a lot of good feedback on the easy streets thread. I like both stfs and f4 99s, so was quite down to try these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on March 31, 2019, 02:23:27 AM
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Had my first session with the Bones Easy Streets today. They are not faster than Spitfire Formula Four 99s nor do they slide better. They are decent wheels but nothing special. No reason to get them over the Spits at all. Might try to sell mine and just buy another set of Spits to replace them 🤔
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What size and shape? How much would you want for them?
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54 mm and I dunno what the shape is called but it’s whatever shape the 54 mm ones came in. I live in Finland though so unless you live here too, it probably won’t work out. 🤔
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ahh damn nevermind. There's a lot of good feedback on the easy streets thread. I like both stfs and f4 99s, so was quite down to try these.

Yeah, I guess they're good wheels. Maybe my expectations were too high but I did a side by side comparison with 99A Formula Fours and to me the Spits felt better in every way. Maybe I'll give them a few more sessions before going back to Formula Fours full time. 🤔
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Arto Saari on March 31, 2019, 11:40:48 AM
Am I stupid for thinking that anyone who buys any wheels other than bones or spits is insane? Even brands like Ricta or OJ.
A few pages back someone was interested in alien workshop wheels... like what!?
I'm into supporting smaller brands, but Id imagine there's just no way any other brands are as resistant to flat spots over time as bones and spitfire.
I try to ride wheels for about a year a set (I live in the midwest so I don't skate as much from November to April)
Does the ~feel~ of other brands make a difference in your excitement to go skate? Ive been on bones stf for like 10 years..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 31, 2019, 12:33:36 PM
Am I stupid for thinking that anyone who buys any wheels other than bones or spits is insane? Even brands like Ricta or OJ.
A few pages back someone was interested in alien workshop wheels... like what!?
I'm into supporting smaller brands, but Id imagine there's just no way any other brands are as resistant to flat spots over time as bones and spitfire.
I try to ride wheels for about a year a set (I live in the midwest so I don't skate as much from November to April)
Does the ~feel~ of other brands make a difference in your excitement to go skate? Ive been on bones stf for like 10 years..

I used to skate alien wheels all the time (2003 until like 2012-ish) and good lord did they fucking suck. I liked how they looked and my weird brand loyalty just made me buy and buy them even though they were slow and slid horribly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: corto on March 31, 2019, 01:09:06 PM
I'm looking for a really slippery wheel that slides for miles. Anyone have recommendations?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on March 31, 2019, 02:30:44 PM
Am I stupid for thinking that anyone who buys any wheels other than bones or spits is insane? Even brands like Ricta or OJ.
A few pages back someone was interested in alien workshop wheels... like what!?
I'm into supporting smaller brands, but Id imagine there's just no way any other brands are as resistant to flat spots over time as bones and spitfire.
I try to ride wheels for about a year a set (I live in the midwest so I don't skate as much from November to April)
Does the ~feel~ of other brands make a difference in your excitement to go skate? Ive been on bones stf for like 10 years..

In my 12 years of skating I never had a set of Spits or Bones (neither Ricta or OJ). In those years I dont recall having problems with flatspots, while I've seen spits and bones from friends that resembled more to a cube than a wheel... People trust the big dogs more because they've been here for so long and they have the marketing power that smaller brands dont have. That doesnt mean that big brands dont make a good product, they do, but smaller brands need to try 10 times harder to convince us that they also do, so I usually trust that their product is going to deliver.
I also like to try new things out and it does excite me to ride smaller brands...
In the last couple months I've been riding a set of FSCW, a brand from the UK that sponsors a lot of the Sour guys, and I only have nice things to say... Great wheels that are taking ages to wear down! (They also cost 2/3 of a set of F4's).

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on March 31, 2019, 11:03:54 PM
I've been skating some Loophole 54s lately. They feel like F4s, they are fast, slide really good but feel harder than a 99a but not as hard as 101a. They have a similar shape to Spit's classics.
Really digging them even though I prefer a softer wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Arto Saari on April 01, 2019, 10:29:20 AM
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In my 12 years of skating I never had a set of Spits or Bones (neither Ricta or OJ). In those years I dont recall having problems with flatspots, while I've seen spits and bones from friends that resembled more to a cube than a wheel... People trust the big dogs more because they've been here for so long and they have the marketing power that smaller brands dont have. That doesnt mean that big brands dont make a good product, they do, but smaller brands need to try 10 times harder to convince us that they also do, so I usually trust that their product is going to deliver.
I also like to try new things out and it does excite me to ride smaller brands...
In the last couple months I've been riding a set of FSCW, a brand from the UK that sponsors a lot of the Sour guys, and I only have nice things to say... Great wheels that are taking ages to wear down! (They also cost 2/3 of a set of F4's).
I see what you're saying. I guess bones stf have just been so good to me that Ive never felt the need to try anything else. Not only have I never had a flatspot with them, but they also stay smooth throughout their entire lifespan. My only issue was that they're so hard that they feel slow and loud on rough ground (which is very common where I live) but now that they have the easy street formula I feel that might be the perfect wheel for me, so my next set of wheels will be bones again. I also live in the US so the big dog brands have been more accessible and probably more affordable to me than they are for you. I would definitely recommend bones stf to anyone who skates street and likes ledges and grinds
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2019, 04:31:42 AM
Am I stupid for thinking that anyone who buys any wheels other than bones or spits is insane? Even brands like Ricta or OJ.
A few pages back someone was interested in alien workshop wheels... like what!?
I'm into supporting smaller brands, but Id imagine there's just no way any other brands are as resistant to flat spots over time as bones and spitfire.
I try to ride wheels for about a year a set (I live in the midwest so I don't skate as much from November to April)
Does the ~feel~ of other brands make a difference in your excitement to go skate? Ive been on bones stf for like 10 years..

honestly i feel like if you don't try you'll never really know. would i have bought spitfire classics if the bike shop had them in? probably. are the ricta's i got instead (arguably) better than the classics for the same price? in my opinion most definitely and they're probably my new favorite wheel. i would probably steer away from lower end price point wheels ie deck companies own wheels, stuff like oj concentrates (fucking awful), spitfire lowdowns and so forth but it cant hurt to experiment. guy above skating fscw's and he's loving them, personally i think the set i skated were a bit shite in terms of slidability but thats a matter of opinion and if you're happy with what you're skating by all means stick with it. i've skated f4's, stfs, etc and imo these ricta's (in my opinion) are just as good if not better; same slidability, good wheelshape and also somewhat cheaper.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Arto Saari on April 03, 2019, 07:37:40 AM
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honestly i feel like if you don't try you'll never really know. would i have bought spitfire classics if the bike shop had them in? probably. are the ricta's i got instead (arguably) better than the classics for the same price? in my opinion most definitely and they're probably my new favorite wheel. i would probably steer away from lower end price point wheels ie deck companies own wheels, stuff like oj concentrates (fucking awful), spitfire lowdowns and so forth but it cant hurt to experiment. guy above skating fscw's and he's loving them, personally i think the set i skated were a bit shite in terms of slidability but thats a matter of opinion and if you're happy with what you're skating by all means stick with it. i've skated f4's, stfs, etc and imo these ricta's (in my opinion) are just as good if not better; same slidability, good wheelshape and also somewhat cheaper.
Many good points here. I had some hand me down rictas around 2008 which I personally did not enjoy very much. I always liked their team though.. I figured I would check out their website after your kind words and it seems that they have cut Kareem Campbell, Arto Saari, Mark Appleyard, and G-off Rowley from the squad in order to afford paying Nyjah $100,000 a month. That doesnt sit well with me. I think Ill stick to bones for now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: curbslayer on April 03, 2019, 08:39:57 AM
bones and ricta have always been to hard for me. i skate a indoor park from time to time and bones just have no grip on wood. i used to be really in to satori till the formula changed. now tend to stick with ojs and spitfire classics. something about the grip and bark of natural urethane that cant be beat. the f4 are good i like the conicals but they just dont feel as grippy as classics.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 03, 2019, 08:52:32 AM
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honestly i feel like if you don't try you'll never really know. would i have bought spitfire classics if the bike shop had them in? probably. are the ricta's i got instead (arguably) better than the classics for the same price? in my opinion most definitely and they're probably my new favorite wheel. i would probably steer away from lower end price point wheels ie deck companies own wheels, stuff like oj concentrates (fucking awful), spitfire lowdowns and so forth but it cant hurt to experiment. guy above skating fscw's and he's loving them, personally i think the set i skated were a bit shite in terms of slidability but thats a matter of opinion and if you're happy with what you're skating by all means stick with it. i've skated f4's, stfs, etc and imo these ricta's (in my opinion) are just as good if not better; same slidability, good wheelshape and also somewhat cheaper.
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Many good points here. I had some hand me down rictas around 2008 which I personally did not enjoy very much. I always liked their team though.. I figured I would check out their website after your kind words and it seems that they have cut Kareem Campbell, Arto Saari, Mark Appleyard, and G-off Rowley from the squad in order to afford paying Nyjah $100,000 a month. That doesnt sit well with me. I think Ill stick to bones for now.

i too recall rictas around 08 but it was mostly the cored ones that always ended up popping out. did they really cut them solely for that reason? i get the 100k thing was an exaggeration but i highly doubt kareem arto and apples were moving product, rowley maybe but he's on OJ? now plus apples is on bones so it's not like they'll be struggling for product.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: somedudefromnj on April 03, 2019, 11:35:05 AM
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honestly i feel like if you don't try you'll never really know. would i have bought spitfire classics if the bike shop had them in? probably. are the ricta's i got instead (arguably) better than the classics for the same price? in my opinion most definitely and they're probably my new favorite wheel. i would probably steer away from lower end price point wheels ie deck companies own wheels, stuff like oj concentrates (fucking awful), spitfire lowdowns and so forth but it cant hurt to experiment. guy above skating fscw's and he's loving them, personally i think the set i skated were a bit shite in terms of slidability but thats a matter of opinion and if you're happy with what you're skating by all means stick with it. i've skated f4's, stfs, etc and imo these ricta's (in my opinion) are just as good if not better; same slidability, good wheelshape and also somewhat cheaper.
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Many good points here. I had some hand me down rictas around 2008 which I personally did not enjoy very much. I always liked their team though.. I figured I would check out their website after your kind words and it seems that they have cut Kareem Campbell, Arto Saari, Mark Appleyard, and G-off Rowley from the squad in order to afford paying Nyjah $100,000 a month. That doesnt sit well with me. I think Ill stick to bones for now.
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i too recall rictas around 08 but it was mostly the cored ones that always ended up popping out. did they really cut them solely for that reason? i get the 100k thing was an exaggeration but i highly doubt kareem arto and apples were moving product, rowley maybe but he's on OJ? now plus apples is on bones so it's not like they'll be struggling for product.

I had one pair of Rictas in my life (been skating since early 2000's) and never bought another pair because of the core popping out. Tried bones and liked them, but i was always just buying colored wheels for my eyes.

Randomly bought OJ's and they rolled good, but I didnt notice they were the ditch witches so they didnt slide all too well. Thats when it made sense to look into sizes and softness and that led me to checking out their team, so I will admit I buy them to support their team and the wheels arent too bad.

Boserio, Dela, And Davis are some of my favorite pros these days and after seeing eS go down a few years ago i realized how important it was to support what you like.

BUT

If you dont care about all that then fuck it buy some spits. Rictas did roll amazing, but the cores left a bad taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TooManyPros on April 03, 2019, 03:01:04 PM
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honestly i feel like if you don't try you'll never really know. would i have bought spitfire classics if the bike shop had them in? probably. are the ricta's i got instead (arguably) better than the classics for the same price? in my opinion most definitely and they're probably my new favorite wheel. i would probably steer away from lower end price point wheels ie deck companies own wheels, stuff like oj concentrates (fucking awful), spitfire lowdowns and so forth but it cant hurt to experiment. guy above skating fscw's and he's loving them, personally i think the set i skated were a bit shite in terms of slidability but thats a matter of opinion and if you're happy with what you're skating by all means stick with it. i've skated f4's, stfs, etc and imo these ricta's (in my opinion) are just as good if not better; same slidability, good wheelshape and also somewhat cheaper.
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Many good points here. I had some hand me down rictas around 2008 which I personally did not enjoy very much. I always liked their team though.. I figured I would check out their website after your kind words and it seems that they have cut Kareem Campbell, Arto Saari, Mark Appleyard, and G-off Rowley from the squad in order to afford paying Nyjah $100,000 a month. That doesnt sit well with me. I think Ill stick to bones for now.
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i too recall rictas around 08 but it was mostly the cored ones that always ended up popping out. did they really cut them solely for that reason? i get the 100k thing was an exaggeration but i highly doubt kareem arto and apples were moving product, rowley maybe but he's on OJ? now plus apples is on bones so it's not like they'll be struggling for product.

You're sig is awesome, who is that?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: landedprimo on April 03, 2019, 11:12:59 PM
How about some wheels that are faster on asphalt than my current 52mm Bones 100's? The love these wheels, but the push factor is high.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 03, 2019, 11:38:01 PM
How about some wheels that are faster on asphalt than my current 52mm Bones 100's? The love these wheels, but the push factor is high.

Wider, softer, bigger. Pick and choose. Take all three for maximum speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 04, 2019, 12:03:41 AM
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How about some wheels that are faster on asphalt than my current 52mm Bones 100's? The love these wheels, but the push factor is high.
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Wider, softer, bigger. Pick and choose. Take all three for maximum speed.
And/or faster formula, STF/F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 04, 2019, 03:33:47 AM
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honestly i feel like if you don't try you'll never really know. would i have bought spitfire classics if the bike shop had them in? probably. are the ricta's i got instead (arguably) better than the classics for the same price? in my opinion most definitely and they're probably my new favorite wheel. i would probably steer away from lower end price point wheels ie deck companies own wheels, stuff like oj concentrates (fucking awful), spitfire lowdowns and so forth but it cant hurt to experiment. guy above skating fscw's and he's loving them, personally i think the set i skated were a bit shite in terms of slidability but thats a matter of opinion and if you're happy with what you're skating by all means stick with it. i've skated f4's, stfs, etc and imo these ricta's (in my opinion) are just as good if not better; same slidability, good wheelshape and also somewhat cheaper.
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Many good points here. I had some hand me down rictas around 2008 which I personally did not enjoy very much. I always liked their team though.. I figured I would check out their website after your kind words and it seems that they have cut Kareem Campbell, Arto Saari, Mark Appleyard, and G-off Rowley from the squad in order to afford paying Nyjah $100,000 a month. That doesnt sit well with me. I think Ill stick to bones for now.
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i too recall rictas around 08 but it was mostly the cored ones that always ended up popping out. did they really cut them solely for that reason? i get the 100k thing was an exaggeration but i highly doubt kareem arto and apples were moving product, rowley maybe but he's on OJ? now plus apples is on bones so it's not like they'll be struggling for product.
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You're sig is awesome, who is that?

honestly not 100% sure i just gif'd it from some old johnny wilson video
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: curbslayer on April 04, 2019, 09:52:36 AM
i kinda miss the ride of dual durometer wheel of days past. hard on the outside soft in the middle. made for a good ride in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TooManyPros on April 04, 2019, 11:02:20 AM
i kinda miss the ride of dual durometer wheel of days past. hard on the outside soft in the middle. made for a good ride in my opinion.

LOVED skating Autobahns for this very reason. =(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on April 04, 2019, 11:30:27 AM
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LOVED skating Autobahns for this very reason. =(

Powerflex wheels do this.  Soft core.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 05, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
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i kinda miss the ride of dual durometer wheel of days past. hard on the outside soft in the middle. made for a good ride in my opinion.
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LOVED skating Autobahns for this very reason. =(
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Powerflex wheels do this.  Soft core.

True, but the outer duro is still too soft imo
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 05, 2019, 08:15:11 AM
I thought this was an april fools joke at first but Bones is intentionally releasing an off white, F4 colored wheel

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv2OBw4HlLq/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 05, 2019, 09:08:30 AM
Good. Probably just means less effort to try and make them look white. ie.less additives? Urethane ain't white. I actually prefer the look.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 05, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
I thought this was an april fools joke at first but Bones is intentionally releasing an off white, F4 colored wheel

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv2OBw4HlLq/

Getting the vibe they are desperate for market share...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on April 05, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
Been interested in trying these for a while. I'm not even convinced they'd be good. I just want to skate them.
(https://fasttimes-2.ecpcdn.net/media/product/650x/8e4/907/oj-chaser-2-elite-mini-wheels-boserio-pos-203484.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on April 05, 2019, 01:42:56 PM
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i kinda miss the ride of dual durometer wheel of days past. hard on the outside soft in the middle. made for a good ride in my opinion.
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LOVED skating Autobahns for this very reason. =(
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Powerflex wheels do this.  Soft core.
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True, but the outer duro is still too soft imo

?  They make em in 84b

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=86470

I've never tried em though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 06, 2019, 02:05:51 AM
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i kinda miss the ride of dual durometer wheel of days past. hard on the outside soft in the middle. made for a good ride in my opinion.
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LOVED skating Autobahns for this very reason. =(
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Powerflex wheels do this.  Soft core.
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True, but the outer duro is still too soft imo
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?  They make em in 84b

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=86470

I've never tried em though.

Yah but the formula is not conducive to slidez
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on April 07, 2019, 12:15:48 PM
Those off white Bones look way better than their usual white ones. Always hated how plasticky/toy store their wheels looked.

Side note, I’m currently on some Spitfire SFW Anderson 55mm and they feel amazing. I think they may have ruined my ability to appreciate normal round cut wheels now. These look perfect whenever I glance at them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on April 08, 2019, 01:52:44 PM
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring19/2-og-classics-photo-dt.jpg)

(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring19/3-og-classics-dt.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Arto Saari on April 08, 2019, 02:34:24 PM
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring19/2-og-classics-photo-dt.jpg)

(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring19/3-og-classics-dt.jpg)
Pretty hilarious that you cant flip them to hide the graphics. I like that shape though.. how do classics compare to F4s? I don't powerslide, only revert
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Quique on April 08, 2019, 04:04:30 PM
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Pretty hilarious that you cant flip them to hide the graphics. I like that shape though.. how do classics compare to F4s? I don't powerslide, only revert

Skating a set of 99 f4 in one set and classics in another. Comparing to f4s, classic feels a little softer, just a little slower but not that much, surely way grippier. Almost eat shit sliding in tranny when i rode f4 after classics. F4s last forever in comparison.

I prefer classics in shitty streets, everywhere else f4.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 08, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
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Pretty hilarious that you cant flip them to hide the graphics. I like that shape though.. how do classics compare to F4s? I don't powerslide, only revert

In my experience you can take wheel graphics off fairly easily with nothing more than hot soapy water and a little elbow grease.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on April 08, 2019, 08:28:33 PM
Classics are slower, grippier and wear down quicker than F4s but they're good again for sure.I really liked they set I tried recently. A great winter wheel (indoor parks, slippery outdoor shit).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 09, 2019, 03:46:34 AM
Classics are slower, grippier and wear down quicker than F4s but they're good again for sure.I really liked they set I tried recently. A great winter wheel (indoor parks, slippery outdoor shit).

Classics are my go to these days:
Grippy enough to inspire confidence on slippery transition, but still break into a slide without too much effort.
Yes they flat spot fairly easily, but a few power slides is all it takes to round them back out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shuh on April 09, 2019, 05:41:34 AM
Would the wider surface help with making it lasting longer compared to the normal classics i wonder?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Number on April 09, 2019, 08:42:49 AM
Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 09, 2019, 08:52:13 AM
Would the wider surface help with making it lasting longer compared to the normal classics i wonder?

I’ve never skated the classic shape classic formula, just the SFW’s, but they still wear down pretty fast compared to F4’s.

Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks


Hardly an egg of knowledge, but I skate SFW’s purely for how the more defined edge feels a bit more precise locking into grinds on pool coping.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Chanel West Coast on April 09, 2019, 08:59:47 AM
Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks

I may be wrong, Ive always understood the wider riding surface and extra weight to make it faster, but probably not enough to notice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 09, 2019, 11:56:57 AM
Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks

Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Number on April 09, 2019, 01:12:06 PM
Thanks fellas. I appreciate the feedback.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: curbslayer on April 10, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Buudpt1lLcI/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

what you boys think about this?!   yay or nay
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on April 10, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
^^^ I've honestly been wanting to take a skateboard out on some mountain bike trails. I don't care if it's corny. It would be like a snake run, in the woods. The trails are really well-groomed by me too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 10, 2019, 01:44:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaUx733zAw0
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: curbslayer on April 10, 2019, 01:56:32 PM
^^^ I've honestly been wanting to take a skateboard out on some mountain bike trails. I don't care if it's corny. It would be like a snake run, in the woods. The trails are really well-groomed by me too.

dude get em! if you look on the page they come with 1 inch wood risers and long hardware. the trails would be soooooo fun on em!! i wish we had hills in Houston i would already have em myself   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: full of jerks on April 10, 2019, 02:37:07 PM
^^^ I've honestly been wanting to take a skateboard out on some mountain bike trails. I don't care if it's corny. It would be like a snake run, in the woods. The trails are really well-groomed by me too.

Yeah there is a dirt pump track near me.  Those would be fun on it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on April 10, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
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^^^ I've honestly been wanting to take a skateboard out on some mountain bike trails. I don't care if it's corny. It would be like a snake run, in the woods. The trails are really well-groomed by me too.
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Yeah there is a dirt pump track near me.  Those would be fun on it.
On second thought, it's probably a good way to get in a heated argument with some douchy bikers in spandex. Can't be dissin the bike track without serious consequences.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 11, 2019, 07:07:07 AM
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^^^ I've honestly been wanting to take a skateboard out on some mountain bike trails. I don't care if it's corny. It would be like a snake run, in the woods. The trails are really well-groomed by me too.
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Yeah there is a dirt pump track near me.  Those would be fun on it.
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On second thought, it's probably a good way to get in a heated argument with some douchy bikers in spandex. Can't be dissin the bike track without serious consequences.
first we fight scooters, now we fighting bikers?? shit don't make sense..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AsianVegan on April 11, 2019, 07:39:59 AM
How do 103A STF’s feel compared to the 83B’s? Is it harder/faster/slidier? I usually ride 99A Radial F4’s but curious to know how people compare them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on April 11, 2019, 07:54:04 AM
How do 103A STF’s feel compared to the 83B’s? Is it harder/faster/slidier? I usually ride 99A Radial F4’s but curious to know how people compare them.
I'm just guessing, but it's the same wheel. 103a=83b, they use a scale for stfs (99a, 103a) now and b scale for spf (81b, 84b)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 11, 2019, 08:35:51 AM
How do 103A STF’s feel compared to the 83B’s? Is it harder/faster/slidier? I usually ride 99A Radial F4’s but curious to know how people compare them.
83b is 103a so im assuming they feel nearly the same
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on April 11, 2019, 08:50:02 AM
Just got these 80hd conical chargers. I will confirm if "EVERYTHING BURNS" and report my findings.
 
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SFCHWWH-WH-3.jpg&nw=435)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on April 11, 2019, 08:56:59 AM
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I'm just guessing, but it's the same wheel. 103a=83b, they use a scale for stfs (99a, 103a) now and b scale for spf (81b, 84b)

"103a" is the same as 83b.   "103a" is a marketing term and doesn't exist as far as engineering standards.

The A scale of durometer only goes up to 100 - and is only accurate up to around 95.  To measure it, the instrument indents the wheel and depending how far it goes in there is a reading.  If it doesn't go in at all it, it can't be measured by the A scale and you have to go to another scale. 

That's why Bones uses B scale. 

(https://www.durometer.com/wp-content/uploads/durometer-rex-gauge-model-1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 11, 2019, 10:40:34 AM
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How do 103A STF’s feel compared to the 83B’s? Is it harder/faster/slidier? I usually ride 99A Radial F4’s but curious to know how people compare them.
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I'm just guessing, but it's the same wheel. 103a=83b, they use a scale for stfs (99a, 103a) now and b scale for spf (81b, 84b)
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"103a" is the same as 83b.   "103a" is a marketing term and doesn't exist as far as engineering standards.

The A scale of durometer only goes up to 100 - and is only accurate up to around 95.  To measure it, the instrument indents the wheel and depending how far it goes in there is a reading.  If it doesn't go in at all it, it can't be measured by the A scale and you have to go to another scale. 

That's why Bones uses B scale. 

(https://www.durometer.com/wp-content/uploads/durometer-rex-gauge-model-1600.jpg)
Thanks for sharing this knowledge! Also bones uses the B scale only on their SPF series. Their STF series still uses A scale. Like the V3 comes in "104a"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 11, 2019, 12:52:39 PM
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^^^ I've honestly been wanting to take a skateboard out on some mountain bike trails. I don't care if it's corny. It would be like a snake run, in the woods. The trails are really well-groomed by me too.
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Yeah there is a dirt pump track near me.  Those would be fun on it.
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On second thought, it's probably a good way to get in a heated argument with some douchy bikers in spandex. Can't be dissin the bike track without serious consequences.
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first we fight scooters, now we fighting bikers?? shit don't make sense..

First we fought bladers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on April 11, 2019, 01:55:59 PM
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I'm just guessing, but it's the same wheel. 103a=83b, they use a scale for stfs (99a, 103a) now and b scale for spf (81b, 84b)
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"103a" is the same as 83b.   "103a" is a marketing term and doesn't exist as far as engineering standards.

The A scale of durometer only goes up to 100 - and is only accurate up to around 95.  To measure it, the instrument indents the wheel and depending how far it goes in there is a reading.  If it doesn't go in at all it, it can't be measured by the A scale and you have to go to another scale. 

That's why Bones uses B scale. 

(https://www.durometer.com/wp-content/uploads/durometer-rex-gauge-model-1600.jpg)
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Thanks for sharing this knowledge! Also bones uses the B scale only on their SPF series. Their STF series still uses A scale. Like the V3 comes in "104a"
Not still, this is new, stf has been 83b since forever
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on April 12, 2019, 06:56:20 PM
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Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks
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Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.

this has never made sense to me. you'd think if you have two wheels of the same formula and duro, the wider wheel would be grippier bc of higher probability of contact? i guess that assumes wherever you're skating is not a perfectly flat surface. or, on the other hand, would a slimmer wheel distribute/concentrate the same weight on a smaller riding surface which could increase grip? or maybe its not even friction but the torque applied to the edges of the wheel which would be determined by the distance from the axle? idk these are random thoughts (and i almost failed general physics II) it's just hard to imagine width has nothing to do with grip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on April 12, 2019, 11:18:45 PM
Are spitfire pro classics different from reg classics?

Also did they change the classic formula some months ago?

I still have mine from 2 years ago I barely rode and I’m experimenting with them again cause I realized I didn’t like them before cause I had some terrible bearings in them and now I got some reliable balls in them I noticed they are nice and smooth with lots of control but they are damned slow

So are the newer classics of late closer to a formula four without the easy slide?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on April 12, 2019, 11:40:14 PM
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Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks
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Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.
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this has never made sense to me. you'd think if you have two wheels of the same formula and duro, the wider wheel would be grippier bc of higher probability of contact? i guess that assumes wherever you're skating is not a perfectly flat surface. or, on the other hand, would a slimmer wheel distribute/concentrate the same weight on a smaller riding surface which could increase grip? or maybe its not even friction but the torque applied to the edges of the wheel which would be determined by the distance from the axle? idk these are random thoughts (and i almost failed general physics II) it's just hard to imagine width has nothing to do with grip.

Yeah, I know it's kinda counterintuitive for some reason. Took me a while to get too. But the thing is that the weight bearing down to the ground is distributed over a larger area with a wider wheel so per mm^2 in a wider wheel the friction is less but as the wider wheel has more area, the overall grip (friction) will stay the same. If the friction per mm^2 would keep the same, then widening the wheel would make it more grippy but it doesn't due to the force pressing down on the wheel distributing over a larger area.

I think this is a nice explanation:
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

I've also posted this video many times before. It has a decent example of what is going on IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 14, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
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Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks
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Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.
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this has never made sense to me. you'd think if you have two wheels of the same formula and duro, the wider wheel would be grippier bc of higher probability of contact? i guess that assumes wherever you're skating is not a perfectly flat surface. or, on the other hand, would a slimmer wheel distribute/concentrate the same weight on a smaller riding surface which could increase grip? or maybe its not even friction but the torque applied to the edges of the wheel which would be determined by the distance from the axle? idk these are random thoughts (and i almost failed general physics II) it's just hard to imagine width has nothing to do with grip.
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Yeah, I know it's kinda counterintuitive for some reason. Took me a while to get too. But the thing is that the weight bearing down to the ground is distributed over a larger area with a wider wheel so per mm^2 in a wider wheel the friction is less but as the wider wheel has more area, the overall grip (friction) will stay the same. If the friction per mm^2 would keep the same, then widening the wheel would make it more grippy but it doesn't due to the force pressing down on the wheel distributing over a larger area.

I think this is a nice explanation:
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

I've also posted this video many times before. It has a decent example of what is going on IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

Damn, great video! Explains your point well regarding wheel surface and also gives me some food for thought about why my ledge/slide tricks are inconsistent
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 14, 2019, 10:40:35 PM
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How do 103A STF’s feel compared to the 83B’s? Is it harder/faster/slidier? I usually ride 99A Radial F4’s but curious to know how people compare them.
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I'm just guessing, but it's the same wheel. 103a=83b, they use a scale for stfs (99a, 103a) now and b scale for spf (81b, 84b)
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"103a" is the same as 83b.   "103a" is a marketing term and doesn't exist as far as engineering standards.

The A scale of durometer only goes up to 100 - and is only accurate up to around 95.  To measure it, the instrument indents the wheel and depending how far it goes in there is a reading.  If it doesn't go in at all it, it can't be measured by the A scale and you have to go to another scale. 

That's why Bones uses B scale. 

(https://www.durometer.com/wp-content/uploads/durometer-rex-gauge-model-1600.jpg)
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Thanks for sharing this knowledge! Also bones uses the B scale only on their SPF series. Their STF series still uses A scale. Like the V3 comes in "104a"
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Not still, this is new, stf has been 83b since forever

Yeah, I think bones listened to demand  and: 1) went to the a scale 2) came out with a 99 3) came out with wider cuts.....

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SHIREFLIP on April 15, 2019, 07:43:42 AM
Just got these 80hd conical chargers. I will confirm if "EVERYTHING BURNS" and report my findings.
 
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SFCHWWH-WH-3.jpg&nw=435)

Please do!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on April 15, 2019, 03:36:32 PM
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Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks
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Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.
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this has never made sense to me. you'd think if you have two wheels of the same formula and duro, the wider wheel would be grippier bc of higher probability of contact? i guess that assumes wherever you're skating is not a perfectly flat surface. or, on the other hand, would a slimmer wheel distribute/concentrate the same weight on a smaller riding surface which could increase grip? or maybe its not even friction but the torque applied to the edges of the wheel which would be determined by the distance from the axle? idk these are random thoughts (and i almost failed general physics II) it's just hard to imagine width has nothing to do with grip.
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Yeah, I know it's kinda counterintuitive for some reason. Took me a while to get too. But the thing is that the weight bearing down to the ground is distributed over a larger area with a wider wheel so per mm^2 in a wider wheel the friction is less but as the wider wheel has more area, the overall grip (friction) will stay the same. If the friction per mm^2 would keep the same, then widening the wheel would make it more grippy but it doesn't due to the force pressing down on the wheel distributing over a larger area.

I think this is a nice explanation:
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

I've also posted this video many times before. It has a decent example of what is going on IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

this makes sense on a flat surface, but i don't know how it translates to uneven ground where active area of contact changes constantly? i feel like at that point it becomes a probability thing of how much ground the area of the wheel is actively touching vs. how much pressure is being exerted on that active patch of contact? although that would reach a similar conclusion to what you're saying: wider wheels would slip less often (based on area) but more/longer (based pressure per area) than a slimmer wheel?? "overall grippiness" would be the same if those two factors scale linearly? sorry, im definitely overthinking this :o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TooManyPros on April 15, 2019, 03:54:57 PM
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Im sure this has been asked before, if so please direct to correct page number. But can someone crack an egg of knowledge on the difference and purpose of the radial,conical, etc. Been skating some 99a classic Spits. I usually stick to ledges and rails. Was looking to give the Sfw's a try. I like the look of a wider wheel, but wondering other than grip what they excel in. Thanks
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Width of the wheel has nothing to do with grip. A wider wheel will roll over crummy ground better than a narrower one. Wider also wears down slower cuz there's more material to wear down. Wheels shape can help you lock into grinds or get into slappies etc.
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this has never made sense to me. you'd think if you have two wheels of the same formula and duro, the wider wheel would be grippier bc of higher probability of contact? i guess that assumes wherever you're skating is not a perfectly flat surface. or, on the other hand, would a slimmer wheel distribute/concentrate the same weight on a smaller riding surface which could increase grip? or maybe its not even friction but the torque applied to the edges of the wheel which would be determined by the distance from the axle? idk these are random thoughts (and i almost failed general physics II) it's just hard to imagine width has nothing to do with grip.
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Yeah, I know it's kinda counterintuitive for some reason. Took me a while to get too. But the thing is that the weight bearing down to the ground is distributed over a larger area with a wider wheel so per mm^2 in a wider wheel the friction is less but as the wider wheel has more area, the overall grip (friction) will stay the same. If the friction per mm^2 would keep the same, then widening the wheel would make it more grippy but it doesn't due to the force pressing down on the wheel distributing over a larger area.

I think this is a nice explanation:
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

I've also posted this video many times before. It has a decent example of what is going on IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs
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this makes sense on a flat surface, but i don't know how it translates to uneven ground where active area of contact changes constantly? i feel like at that point it becomes a probability thing of how much ground the area of the wheel is actively touching vs. how much pressure is being exerted on that active patch of contact? although that would reach a similar conclusion to what you're saying: wider wheels would slip less often (based on area) but more/longer (based pressure per area) than a slimmer wheel?? "overall grippiness" would be the same if those two factors scale linearly? sorry, im definitely overthinking this :o

I've had this discussion a few times. Based on that logic, a wider wheel would have a greater chance of being grippier, no? ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Larry Dallas on April 15, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
I just bought 60mm spit classics.  I saw Koston had a set on some thunders without risers and it sent me on a downward spiral.
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Post by: FROTHY on April 16, 2019, 05:25:06 PM
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Just got these 80hd conical chargers. I will confirm if "EVERYTHING BURNS" and report my findings.
 
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Please do!

They're fun, but they're really just cruiser wheels. I was hoping for something in the middle. Fun for speeding around rough asphalt though. They'd be perfect for a college campus or city commuter set-up if you don't wan't something too longboardy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 16, 2019, 06:25:39 PM
I just bought 60mm spit classics.  I saw Koston had a set on some thunders without risers and it sent me on a downward spiral.

Damn
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 16, 2019, 08:19:42 PM
I just bought 60mm spit classics.  I saw Koston had a set on some thunders without risers and it sent me on a downward spiral.

I love these wheels. Been riding them for a few months and while it did take a bit to get used to the jump up in size (from 54/56), they feel comfortable now and slide really well now that they are broken in a bit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 17, 2019, 03:11:26 AM
60mm on thunders without wheelbite?  ??? ???
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Post by: Xen on April 17, 2019, 11:42:38 AM
60mm on thunders without wheelbite?  ??? ???

Super tight and with risers maybe? Otherwise:

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Post by: roba on April 17, 2019, 11:53:07 AM
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60mm on thunders without wheelbite?  ??? ???
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Super tight and with risers maybe? Otherwise:

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nah, it's impossible not to get wheelbite on thunders with 60mm wheels, unless you have risers that are 10mm tall or something. even if the trucks are as tight as they get without not being able to turn at all you'll get wheelbite on them from my experience.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 17, 2019, 12:38:16 PM
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60mm on thunders without wheelbite?  ??? ???
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Super tight and with risers maybe? Otherwise:

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nah, it's impossible not to get wheelbite on thunders with 60mm wheels, unless you have risers that are 10mm tall or something. even if the trucks are as tight as they get without not being able to turn at all you'll get wheelbite on them from my experience.

Same, riding 51s(?) on thunders with stock bushings and the bite/pinch is lethal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Larry Dallas on April 17, 2019, 05:33:36 PM
You get wheelbite on all size wheels. Anyway, spitfires are made in Mexico now?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 18, 2019, 02:12:24 AM
in my experience in the last 3/4 years on thunders youll be alright up to around 52mm but after that yeah youll start getting wheelbite. running risers with 54s atm.
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Post by: curbslayer on April 18, 2019, 08:57:56 AM
You get wheelbite on all size wheels. Anyway, spitfires are made in Mexico now?

every pair
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 19, 2019, 07:57:17 PM
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Just got these to see what 92a’s feel like. They don’t powerslide nearly as well as the Spitfire classics (99a) I usually ride, but they handle rough terrain and fucked up gravelly streets slightly better. They don’t handle that terrain nearly as well as the 90a Mini logos I’ve tried (those make everything feel comfortable), but they powerslide a little whereas the ML’s don’t budge an inch.

Ledge trick wise, the 92a’s work fine. They don’t stick like the 90a’s do, and while they do stick slightly more on boardslides and lipslides than the 99a’s, nose/tail slides and crooked grinds are totally fine with these.

Overall, I like them. It would be nice if they made them in a bigger size, like 60mm, as that’s what I’m used to riding at the moment, but I like these fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 19, 2019, 11:04:29 PM
You should try easy streets....
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 20, 2019, 06:03:27 AM
You should try easy streets....

Just checked out the Easy streets thread and they sound like what I’m looking for. Might try some of the 56 fatties next, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 20, 2019, 07:42:56 AM
To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley. 
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 20, 2019, 08:36:00 AM
To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.

Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 20, 2019, 06:12:08 PM
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To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.
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Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks
I skate 52mm 95a wheels.. lil bit more grip but once i use to them still slide fine
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 20, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
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To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.
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Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks
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I skate 52mm 95a wheels.. lil bit more grip but once i use to them still slide fine

Sweet! What brand are they? Also, how are they on rough streets?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 23, 2019, 04:44:36 AM
Anyone skated SML 99d grocery bags? I usually skate Spitfire classic formula, but these are in the local shop in a 56 conical, and my usual wheels are not.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on April 23, 2019, 05:33:52 AM
Anyone skated SML 99d grocery bags? I usually skate Spitfire classic formula, but these are in the local shop in a 56 conical, and my usual wheels are not.
they are very similiar to the classics

you'll enjoy them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 23, 2019, 05:53:39 AM
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To me they fee like a soft wheel that's been built up to slide and provide a bit more performance.  I don't think they are for everyone, but if you like those 90 minilogo wheels these might be up your alley.
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Awesome, thats exactly it, I love the mini logo wheels (and the other soft wheels I have ridden) as far as feel on rough terrain goes, I even like that weird bounce they have (though it would be better if they were slightly less bouncy), but I can’t get over how bad they stick on slides and ledge tricks
yeah soft wheels aren't recommended for slides or ledge tricks cuz (obviously) they're grippier. I agree that basically any soft wheel ive had bounces (I honestly hate it cuz i like to throw down my board when hopping on)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 23, 2019, 06:38:55 AM
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Anyone skated SML 99d grocery bags? I usually skate Spitfire classic formula, but these are in the local shop in a 56 conical, and my usual wheels are not.
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they are very similiar to the classics

you'll enjoy them

Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on April 23, 2019, 05:11:23 PM
I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins? if the blunt edge is for locking in, is the outside cutaway just for looks? reminds me of the debate about whether they were supposed to be graphics in or out, which makes me think those who put em wrong were essentially just riding conicals.

on the other hand, do ppl think the conical “lip/overhang” has an effect on wheel grip or wheelfeel if it’s like, bendy? (like how you can “bend in” the edges of a 78a wheel)

and why are wheels usually symmetrical? I’d assume weight distribution, cus otherwise when do we use the outside of wheels? this is pretty much my stream of consciousness so feel free to address/ignore any or all of it.
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Post by: Firebert on April 24, 2019, 07:06:10 AM
I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?

Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.
and why are wheels usually symmetrical?
So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.
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Post by: arrbee on April 24, 2019, 07:15:04 AM
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I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?
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Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.
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So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.

I usually just trash them and move along with a new set
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SHIREFLIP on April 24, 2019, 07:27:10 AM
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I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?
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Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.
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So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.

I also feel like the conical outside makes some of my flip tricks feel less clunky. I had bones v2s for a while, they were not coned on the outside, and once they wore down a little it made flipping the board feel way jerkier. Not bad, but not great either.

I just got some 101 f4 lockins and it fixed the problem.

(It might all be in my head, though.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mongopushingmallgraber on April 26, 2019, 10:43:16 AM
I love the F4 Classic shape 55mm 99a Wheels so much that if they stopped making them I would stop skateboarding.
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Post by: weon on April 26, 2019, 12:03:19 PM
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I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?
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Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.

makes sense, but why conical cut? why didnt they make lock-ins just a way wider tablet shape?
my understanding is that the conical cut is meant to reduce friction/contact when grinding, so theres no real purpose on putting it on the outside? maybe it was to reduce weight or move the center of mass of the wheel? maybe just a reversible twofer: tablet AND conical all in one. no idea just brainstorming.

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So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.

huh, cool. if im honest im not super aware of/familiar with coning. is it more bc of weight distribution, turning, or bc of wheelbite? that could totally explain my weird looking wheels as a kid... does it happen more often on wider wheels?
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Post by: GasTheHostage on April 26, 2019, 12:12:47 PM
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I was lying on my office couch and pondered: what’s the purpose of the conical outside of lock ins?
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Rolling over coping is easier with a rounded edge.
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makes sense, but why conical cut? why didnt they make lock-ins just a way wider tablet shape?
my understanding is that the conical cut is meant to reduce friction/contact when grinding, so theres no real purpose on putting it on the outside? maybe it was to reduce weight or move the center of mass of the wheel? maybe just a reversible twofer: tablet AND conical all in one. no idea just brainstorming.

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So you can flip them when they start to cone out and use them longer.
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huh, cool. if im honest im not super aware of/familiar with coning. is it more bc of weight distribution, turning, or bc of wheelbite? that could totally explain my weird looking wheels as a kid... does it happen more often on wider wheels?
Coning happens when the material wears off from landings and grinds and whatever. Im assuming it does happen more often to wider wheels (cuz they're wider?)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on April 26, 2019, 05:01:05 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/wTgYhHB2/20190426-163838.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/L6DKD7Yp/20190426-163847.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNpr9VjV/20190426-163923.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RZ0rDRKn/20190426-164309.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 26, 2019, 11:41:53 PM
I've found with conicals I don't primo as often with my crop dusting flip trick game....works better for slappies too....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on April 27, 2019, 12:22:38 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/wTgYhHB2/20190426-163838.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/L6DKD7Yp/20190426-163847.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNpr9VjV/20190426-163923.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RZ0rDRKn/20190426-164309.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?

Wouldn't that make them radials? Look more or less like a set of older Silas F4 Radials I just set up. Not complaining, wish more brands offered that shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on April 27, 2019, 05:11:04 AM
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I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?
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Wouldn't that make them radials? Look more or less like a set of older Silas F4 Radials I just set up. Not complaining, wish more brands offered that shape.
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Similar but there is more "curve" on a Radial (which is my favorite wheel) than on the Loophole shape. Still need to skate this set but my regular shaped Loophole still have lots of life left.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: papo on April 28, 2019, 01:21:15 PM
I just bought 60mm spit classics.  I saw Koston had a set on some thunders without risers and it sent me on a downward spiral.

Hows your experience?
I also have 60s classic on my cruiser and wondered how they would do on my street deck.
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 28, 2019, 06:44:37 PM
I've been skating spitfire conicals fulls 101a and one of my wheels is down to 49mm. Is it time for new wheels?
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Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 28, 2019, 07:23:55 PM
If you no longer enjoy riding them
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Post by: SweetDickWilly666 on April 29, 2019, 01:59:07 AM
I Been riding the 54s with the same graphic but the classic shape and I love them it’s been almost a month and they are holding up super well and are very similar to F4s


(https://i.postimg.cc/wTgYhHB2/20190426-163838.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/L6DKD7Yp/20190426-163847.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNpr9VjV/20190426-163923.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/RZ0rDRKn/20190426-164309.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: papo on April 29, 2019, 05:10:56 AM
Girl wheels - has anyone tried them? Whats the story on these?
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 07:35:27 AM
Decided to rotate them cuz I like how they slide :)
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Post by: roba on April 29, 2019, 07:35:35 AM
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Girl wheels - has anyone tried them? Whats the story on these?
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Wheels that are made by a board company are always a bad idea.

i've heard some good stuff about aws wheels
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 07:36:52 AM
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Wheels that are made by a board company are always a bad idea.
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i've heard some good stuff about aws wheels
The Clone wheels? They used to have AVE and Dill so yeah guess they are ok.
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Post by: roba on April 29, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
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Wheels that are made by a board company are always a bad idea.
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i've heard some good stuff about aws wheels
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The Clone wheels? They used to have AVE and Dill so yeah guess they are ok.

yeah, i believe they're still called clone today. i'd like to try them out some day but alien workshop boards are rare in poland, let alone their wheels
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 29, 2019, 08:12:20 AM
If AWS/Clone wheels now are even half as terrible as they used to be, don't bother. I used to skate them constantly out of brand loyalty and it was probably the worst decision that I ever made, gear-wise. They were slow, slid horribly, and got chunked super fast.
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 08:17:57 AM
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i've heard some good stuff about aws wheels
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The Clone wheels? They used to have AVE and Dill so yeah guess they are ok.
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yeah, i believe they're still called clone today. i'd like to try them out some day but alien workshop boards are rare in poland, let alone their wheels
I love AWS, are habitat and aws still together? But I would like to branch off to a real.
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Post by: rip louis b.k. on April 29, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
I Been riding the 54s with the same graphic but the classic shape and I love them it’s been almost a month and they are holding up super well and are very similar to F4s

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I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?
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Better or worse or just around the same as F4's? I been eyeing some 56mm v-cut loopholes because I wanna get on my Nick Boserio shit
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 08:48:54 AM
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I Been riding the 54s with the same graphic but the classic shape and I love them it’s been almost a month and they are holding up super well and are very similar to F4s

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I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?
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Better or worse or just around the same as F4's? I been eyeing some 56mm v-cut loopholes because I wanna get on my Nick Boserio shit
some local guy at my shop works for them and he describes them as “Formula 5”. I looked at the wheels and they do look like they could be the formula 5 but please someone elaborate more on this!
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Post by: Diocletian on April 29, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
From the information I was told, loophole’s are a “formula 5” and are made by the person who previously worked for spitfire and created the F4’s. I skated their classic shaped ones for the first time recently and I didn’t like them at all. They have no chirp whatsoever on any surface when you powerslide...none. They were even more slippery than 101a F4’s which is completely unnecessary. I chucked them in my junk parts box and went back and bought different wheels.
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 09:51:11 AM
From the information I was told, loophole’s are a “formula 5” and are made by the person who previously worked for spitfire and created the F4’s. I skated their classic shaped ones for the first time recently and I didn’t like them at all. They have no chirp whatsoever on any surface when you powerslide...none. They were even more slippery than 101a F4’s which is completely unnecessary. I chucked them in my junk parts box and went back and bought different wheels.
I like to slide so what you said about slipping doesn’t bother me...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 29, 2019, 10:35:47 AM
F5 hype
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Post by: papo on April 29, 2019, 10:44:51 AM
I just ordered some Slim Radials in 101 - a first for me.

Fuck yo couch
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Post by: Fifty8mm on April 29, 2019, 10:48:54 AM
the weird thing for me once I wore them out a bit, about two days, they skated perfectly, before that I was about to toss em as well. Now I prefer them over my F4s.
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 11:40:58 AM
the weird thing for me once I wore them out a bit, about two days, they skated perfectly, before that I was about to toss em as well. Now I prefer them over my F4s.
I will fuck with loophole next I think...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 04:16:33 PM
Does anyone else have a problem with sliding spitfire conical fulls when the graphic is in? Is it just me???
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Post by: BMCsteve on April 29, 2019, 04:33:11 PM
Does anyone else have a problem with sliding spitfire conical fulls when the graphic is in? Is it just me???

just you
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Post by: palelight on April 29, 2019, 04:46:02 PM
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I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?

Wouldn't that make them radials? Look more or less like a set of older Silas F4 Radials I just set up. Not complaining, wish more brands offered that shape.
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Similar but there is more "curve" on a Radial (which is my favorite wheel) than on the Loophole shape. Still need to skate this set but my regular shaped Loophole still have lots of life left.
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Understood. Let us know how they skate when you set em up. Radials are my favourite as well, but it seems like Spitfire is offering fewer options of the full sized Radials with every drop (but then have like 15 different conicals/conical fulls....).
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 29, 2019, 05:10:34 PM
I switched to my dial tones... Im gonna go back to spitfire now...
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Post by: Bumpovertrash on April 29, 2019, 08:13:47 PM
anybody know where to find some really small wheels 45mm or under?
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Post by: BMCsteve on April 29, 2019, 09:23:23 PM
anybody know where to find some really small wheels 45mm or under?

Hitek.  Can't remember his username but he's on here somewhere.  45mm for a good price
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dr Hfuhruhurr on April 29, 2019, 09:32:01 PM
I’m a Formula 4 fan.

If it’s the classic shape with a narrower contact patch then I go with the 99’s and if it’s a wider contact patch I do the 101’s.

Currently riding 55mm 101 Lock In’s and I absolutely love them.

I wish they made the radials in 55mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: papo on April 29, 2019, 11:49:28 PM
Does anyone else have a problem with sliding spitfire conical fulls when the graphic is in? Is it just me???

I keep my graphic out - fucks given = 0.0%
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 07:45:12 AM
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Does anyone else have a problem with sliding spitfire conical fulls when the graphic is in? Is it just me???
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I keep my graphic out - fucks given = 0.0%
me either, But for some reason when I have the graphic in they don’t slide! I swapped them back and they slide great!
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Post by: TooManyPros on April 30, 2019, 08:09:04 AM
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I keep my graphic out - fucks given = 0.0%

I put them on however I grab them to push the last bearing in.

Who cares? Except pros not riding their sponsors wheels...which is why it started in the first place...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 08:13:38 AM
I’m an ocd freak when it comes to skate stuff.
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Post by: cosmicgypsies on April 30, 2019, 08:14:17 AM
you can usually remove wheel graphics with hot soapy water and elbow grease if you want to run them the other way with no graphics
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Post by: Xen on April 30, 2019, 11:21:35 AM
Does anyone else have a problem with sliding spitfire conical fulls when the graphic is in? Is it just me???

lol wut?
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 11:59:13 AM
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Does anyone else have a problem with sliding spitfire conical fulls when the graphic is in? Is it just me???
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lol wut?
Maybe cuz their coned now...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SweetDickWilly666 on April 30, 2019, 02:15:19 PM
I just know I been riding spitfires since 93 and F4s since they made them and I’m very happy with the Loopholes and I do lots of powerslides and nose and tail slides and the wheels haven’t came close to flat spotting.. so yeah man if your interested I would say definitely pick up a pair and also feels good to support skater owned companies

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I Been riding the 54s with the same graphic but the classic shape and I love them it’s been almost a month and they are holding up super well and are very similar to F4s

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I got these Loopholes 54s about a week or so ago. It's a new shape they're bringing out.
Its like a conical shape but without the side cuts. Round edges but flat in the middle. They have the yellow look with random imperfections in the color, looks even better to me.
The loopholes I've been skating have been great and seem to hold up. They are pretty much F4s and really are enjoying these wheels. Has anybody else been riding them?
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Better or worse or just around the same as F4's? I been eyeing some 56mm v-cut loopholes because I wanna get on my Nick Boserio shit
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some local guy at my shop works for them and he describes them as “Formula 5”. I looked at the wheels and they do look like they could be the formula 5 but please someone elaborate more on this!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SweetDickWilly666 on April 30, 2019, 02:18:22 PM
Yea even the dude at atlas said once they are broken in past that glossy shit they spray on them they are good
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the weird thing for me once I wore them out a bit, about two days, they skated perfectly, before that I was about to toss em as well. Now I prefer them over my F4s.
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 02:21:29 PM
Yea even the dude at atlas said once they are broken in past that glossy shit they spray on them they are good
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the weird thing for me once I wore them out a bit, about two days, they skated perfectly, before that I was about to toss em as well. Now I prefer them over my F4s.
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I will fuck with loophole next I think...
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exactly the dude I’m talking about meet me there sometime...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 30, 2019, 02:23:41 PM
If loophole could make a wheel that isn't the color of piss or diarrhea, I'd give them a shot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 02:24:39 PM
If loophole could make a wheel that isn't the color of piss or diarrhea, I'd give them a shot
what wheels do you usually skate?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on April 30, 2019, 02:36:14 PM
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what wheels do you usually skate?

mostly F4's for years but recently Easy Streets.

I have no complaints about the color of F4's even though they aren't technically "white"  but loop hole either looks like this -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqOgw4olAKx/

or this

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwOKP8FHCX_/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
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If loophole could make a wheel that isn't the color of piss or diarrhea, I'd give them a shot
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mostly F4's for years but recently Easy Streets.

I have no complaints about the color of F4's even though they aren't technically "white"  but loop hole either looks like this -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqOgw4olAKx/

or this

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwOKP8FHCX_/
I don’t know Steve, I like that color...
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Post by: Bumpovertrash on April 30, 2019, 03:25:04 PM
something about the color just looks right
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Post by: tzhangdox on April 30, 2019, 03:36:54 PM
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mostly F4's for years but recently Easy Streets.


Did you skate the 99 or 101 f4s? How did the easy streets differ? Very curious about them.
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Post by: BMCsteve on April 30, 2019, 04:11:49 PM
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If loophole could make a wheel that isn't the color of piss or diarrhea, I'd give them a shot
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mostly F4's for years but recently Easy Streets.

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Did you skate the 99 or 101 f4s? How did the easy streets differ? Very curious about them.

I've skated both but mostly the 99s.  I slipped out a couple times on 101s and it freaked me out.

Easy streets are similar to 99's but they feel a little smoother to me and I like the slide a little better.  you can't go wrong with either though, it's really just preference.  I'll be back on F4's once the tablets drop
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ultrabra on May 01, 2019, 06:47:46 AM
anybody know where to find some really small wheels 45mm or under?

In europe at least Fast Skateboard Wheel Company has made some.

https://fswc.bigcartel.com/
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Post by: Firebert on May 01, 2019, 07:46:01 AM
About a week into skating some tablets I got to try out, my initial thoughts:

I can't see a difference between these and the old tablet shape spitfire released with the original formula 4, but now they come in 99A - previously this wheel was only 101A. The shape is similar to a radial slim,  basically a double-sided lock-in, with a harder edge than a radial slim - they have a smaller width with a larger riding surface.

Lock-ins / Radial Slims
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/radial-slim-spec.jpg)
Tablets vs Classics:
(https://www.bocasantaofertas.com.br/upimg/produtos/3192/rodas-para-skate-spit-fire-formula-four_3192(8823).jpg)

Summary: If you skate ledges, and rails, or are a fan of the Bones V2 shape this is probably the wheel for you. Keep in mind that the hard edge might not be the best for slappies and wallrides, but I had no problem rolling over coping and cracks with this wheel, and as usual f4s, they slide like butter. I can see this wheel permanently replacing the lock-ins over time, but that's just my opinion.

More pics:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw2EwFClLOb/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: arrbee on May 01, 2019, 08:09:46 AM
About a week into skating some tablets I got to try out, my initial thoughts:

I can't see a difference between these and the old tablet shape spitfire released with the original formula 4, but now they come in 99A - previously this wheel was only 101A. The shape is similar to a radial slim,  basically a double-sided lock-in, with a harder edge than a radial slim - they have a smaller width with a larger riding surface.

Lock-ins / Radial Slims
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/radial-slim-spec.jpg)
Tablets vs Classics:
(https://www.bocasantaofertas.com.br/upimg/produtos/3192/rodas-para-skate-spit-fire-formula-four_3192(8823).jpg)

Summary: If you skate ledges, and rails, or are a fan of the Bones V2 shape this is probably the wheel for you. Keep in mind that the hard edge might not be the best for slappies and wallrides, but I had no problem rolling over coping and cracks with this wheel, and as usual f4s, they slide like butter. I can see this wheel permanently replacing the lock-ins over time, but that's just my opinion.

More pics:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw2EwFClLOb/

BUT DO THEY GO FAST??!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SHIREFLIP on May 01, 2019, 08:27:18 AM
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About a week into skating some tablets I got to try out, my initial thoughts:

I can't see a difference between these and the old tablet shape spitfire released with the original formula 4, but now they come in 99A - previously this wheel was only 101A. The shape is similar to a radial slim,  basically a double-sided lock-in, with a harder edge than a radial slim - they have a smaller width with a larger riding surface.

Lock-ins / Radial Slims
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/radial-slim-spec.jpg)
Tablets vs Classics:
(https://www.bocasantaofertas.com.br/upimg/produtos/3192/rodas-para-skate-spit-fire-formula-four_3192(8823).jpg)

Summary: If you skate ledges, and rails, or are a fan of the Bones V2 shape this is probably the wheel for you. Keep in mind that the hard edge might not be the best for slappies and wallrides, but I had no problem rolling over coping and cracks with this wheel, and as usual f4s, they slide like butter. I can see this wheel permanently replacing the lock-ins over time, but that's just my opinion.

More pics:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw2EwFClLOb/
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BUT DO THEY GO FAST??!!

(https://pics.me.me/this-board-is-fast-and-danger-30370657.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ultrabra on May 01, 2019, 11:09:40 AM
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The streets around me are all fucked up and rough. I found some keyframes, but they're 52 mm and I'm not sure they'll do the job.

Anyone got recommendations for a wheel that won't vibrate my feet into numbness if I need to skate a long distance, but won't feel too fucky if I want to ollie stuff and do some flip tricks?
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I have the same problem around me so I went up wheel size from 54mm to 60mm (99a) spitfire classics. They are fine for skating around the city but not great for longer distances. I picked up some cheap Mini logo 58mm (90a) wheels for when I skate to and from work (around 6 miles each way) and want to ollie and do light flip tricks on the way and those actually ended up being perfect.

The size jump took some getting used used to, trick wise, but has been pretty great for speed and getting around. The 90a softness can roll over pretty much anything (unlike the 99a’s) and feels a ton better on my feet for long distance. They do have a weird bounce though, which takes some getting used to.
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I have 90a ML wheels too. They do have a bit of bounce to them. I´m not sure if they are 90 or a bit under actually. But i think the lack of a core in them might make them bouncier too. And sometimes it feels like they flex a little on harder turns.

I am going to get some Ricta cloud 92´s next to test. They have cores.
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i said this elsewhere but imo the 92a rictas are very rattly and you dont really get the benefits of a cruiser nor a regular wheel. i have the 90a ML in 53 and they are much smoother. i cant slide either wheel, but that could just be my lack of skillz

i assume the difference in hardness is very noticeable even if they they're close in a-rating because they use different urethane formulas. i'd believe there are more aspects to how a wheel feels than how deep you can press a pointy metal rod into it.

considering letting go of my 54mm 92a clouds if you're interested.

Thanks for offering wheels, but i live in Finland, so it might cost a bit to get them here.

Been riding the Cloud 92`s a bit now. Rattly: yes a bit, and felt harder than ML 90a`s. As in more harder than the 2 duro difference. A quality wheel still.
Its just that i want more of a cruiser feel. And sound :)
If i only rode rough ditches/spots Rictas could be great. I like that the core in them makes them feel more rigid. Gives me more confidence.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 06, 2019, 12:05:54 PM
I have these on my cruiser set up

https://pennswood.myshopify.com/collections/cruiser-wheels/products/cruiser-wheels

I never realized it until skating them today, but for 85a they actually powerslide ok, which is weird as I haven’t come across anything under 92a that powerslide at all.

They are listed as 65mm, but when I actually put them side by side with the wheels I’m currently riding on my street set up, they are the same (61mm Oj winkowski wheels) though they are significantly wider (maybe 42 or 44mm wide?).  I’m going to try them on my street set up later to see how they handle sliding ledge tricks, and if they feel significantly clunkier on flip tricks than my Oj’s (which are fairly clunky for flip tricks to begin with).

At any rate, they are $10 a set and come with bearings and are cruiser wheels that slide ok. Not bad for experimenting with
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on May 06, 2019, 09:14:02 PM
Man all this wheel talk makes me want those bones easy streets so bad!!

Also, on the real any wheel will slide when you go fast

Was bombing a short street hill that was kinda steep with some spit classics and they slid almost like an f4 99, just a little grippier

For a while I took that idea out of my head cause I noticed how much better f4 and stf were for slides but they are in general use, bombing hills and going fast any wheel will do
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on May 06, 2019, 11:13:23 PM
Is there a real difference between tablets and conicals full? Seems pretty much the same to me
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Post by: tzhangdox on May 06, 2019, 11:32:09 PM
Is there a real difference between tablets and conicals full? Seems pretty much the same to me

Conical fulls are much fatter and taper in and have a sidecut. Tablets are completely flat on the side and are much slimmer but still have a wide contact patch given that it's about the width of a radial slim.
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Post by: anon on May 09, 2019, 10:44:55 PM
would soft wheels wear down quicker than hard wheels?
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Post by: moonordie on May 09, 2019, 11:42:32 PM
would soft wheels wear down quicker than hard wheels?
I would say yes
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 09, 2019, 11:51:33 PM
I went back to F4 99 classics in 54mm after being on some waywards and feel that I may never support indie wheel brands ever again*

*unless physics wheels comes back in business
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Post by: Firebert on May 10, 2019, 11:53:08 AM
Is there a real difference between tablets and conicals full? Seems pretty much the same to me
Conical fulls are wider with a rounder sidecut and maybe 1-2mm less contact patch- here is a pic, however the conical fulls are 53mm (compared to 52mm tabs) so they'll be 1mm wider than a 52mm of the same shape.
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/d234c39ca4e20433f38c4df2b810f762/5D5F797D/t51.2885-15/e35/57487923_353605408612498_4874356004617507870_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com)
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Post by: Shuh on May 10, 2019, 02:46:53 PM
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Conical fulls are wider with a rounder sidecut and maybe 1-2mm less contact patch- here is a pic, however the conical fulls are 53mm (compared to 52mm tabs) so they'll be 1mm wider than a 52mm of the same shape.
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/d234c39ca4e20433f38c4df2b810f762/5D5F797D/t51.2885-15/e35/57487923_353605408612498_4874356004617507870_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com)

Then whats the difference between tablet and a normal connical shape?
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Post by: tangar on May 10, 2019, 03:17:36 PM
Tablets have flat sides like the inside of lock-ins. Conical are cut out to reduce weight.
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Post by: j....soy..... on May 11, 2019, 08:02:36 AM
Man all this wheel talk makes me want those bones easy streets so bad!!

Also, on the real any wheel will slide when you go fast

Was bombing a short street hill that was kinda steep with some spit classics and they slid almost like an f4 99, just a little grippier

For a while I took that idea out of my head cause I noticed how much better f4 and stf were for slides but they are in general use, bombing hills and going fast any wheel will do

What's a bit weird about the easy streets is they kinda don't stop once you initiate your powerslide. 

I'm psyched on the tablets, might have to get a set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: B0udoir on May 11, 2019, 10:17:59 AM
I went back to F4 99 classics in 54mm after being on some waywards and feel that I may never support indie wheel brands ever again*

Same here. Wayward were such a bad experience...
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Post by: rob on May 11, 2019, 11:38:39 PM
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Man all this wheel talk makes me want those bones easy streets so bad!!

Also, on the real any wheel will slide when you go fast

Was bombing a short street hill that was kinda steep with some spit classics and they slid almost like an f4 99, just a little grippier

For a while I took that idea out of my head cause I noticed how much better f4 and stf were for slides but they are in general use, bombing hills and going fast any wheel will do
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What's a bit weird about the easy streets is they kinda don't stop once you initiate your powerslide. 

I'm psyched on the tablets, might have to get a set.

Yeah I’m digging the tablets and new classic formula shape that are also tablets?

I still want those easy streets so bad, I like both spits and bones but bones just last longer to me

They just feel consistent for so long like a deck that holds its shape and stiffness
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 12, 2019, 01:34:35 AM
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Conical fulls are wider with a rounder sidecut and maybe 1-2mm less contact patch- here is a pic, however the conical fulls are 53mm (compared to 52mm tabs) so they'll be 1mm wider than a 52mm of the same shape.
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/d234c39ca4e20433f38c4df2b810f762/5D5F797D/t51.2885-15/e35/57487923_353605408612498_4874356004617507870_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com)
Damn. Indy TI, riptides, only two bolts (and both bottom, not criss crossed) and Krux pins?


I'm super jealous.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on May 12, 2019, 05:24:32 AM
Over at Tactics, all Spitfire F4 classics are listed at non-F4 prices - $26.95.
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Post by: backinaction on May 12, 2019, 08:11:10 AM
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Conical fulls are wider with a rounder sidecut and maybe 1-2mm less contact patch- here is a pic, however the conical fulls are 53mm (compared to 52mm tabs) so they'll be 1mm wider than a 52mm of the same shape.
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Damn. Indy TI, riptides, only two bolts (and both bottom, not criss crossed) and Krux pins?


I'm super jealous.

Those are 6 hole Indy baseplates. You see the old school holes empty. Pretty sure the holes you can’t see have bolts.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on May 12, 2019, 09:02:41 AM
Is there a skinny tablet-ty 55mm? Edit fuck i just checked bones and spitfire and they dont.  The v5 is 32 width in 55mm.  It be cool if they made a 55 by 29 tablet.
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Post by: ballintoohard on May 12, 2019, 11:09:43 AM
What's the closest Bones shape to conicals?
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Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 12, 2019, 12:12:36 PM
What's the closest Bones shape to conicals?
the v5
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Post by: bbk on May 12, 2019, 03:24:14 PM
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the v5
They dropped th v's for spring 2019, they're "sidecuts" now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 12, 2019, 09:20:51 PM
Can anyone speak for the OG classic spitfires?
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Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 12, 2019, 10:39:34 PM
Can anyone speak for the OG classic spitfires?

Thy be good amongst thine streets

As for thy most new OG classeeiks beist widest in the lands within f4 origins
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on May 13, 2019, 12:40:16 AM
How often do you guys replace wheels? I got some 50mm F4's in january. Even tho I dont skate much, they are already went down to 45mm! Guess I gotta buy a new pair, but in 54mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 13, 2019, 01:47:25 AM
Getting a cruiser pretty soon to ride to work. What's the difference between the OJ super juice and hot juice?

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Post by: tzhangdox on May 13, 2019, 01:51:55 AM
Getting a cruiser pretty soon to ride to work. What's the difference between the OJ super juice and hot juice?

Super juice is supposed to be an improved formula. Neither are that great though imo but if you're set on the wide soft OJs then get super juices.
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Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 13, 2019, 03:05:38 AM
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Getting a cruiser pretty soon to ride to work. What's the difference between the OJ super juice and hot juice?
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Super juice is supposed to be an improved formula. Neither are that great though imo but if you're set on the wide soft OJs then get super juices.
Thanks. I'm still probably going for the super juices since I like how wide they are but what you recommend then? I want them to be super soft since I won be sliding with them.

I was thinking if I don't get super juices then maybe the Bones rough riders but they are pretty pricey. I had bones atfs ages ago and they were solid so I don't know.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 13, 2019, 03:41:51 AM
Super juice will last longer than the hot juice and hold up a little better in corners..

I'm enjoying 56 ricta clouds more than the super juices I've had..
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Post by: moonordie on May 13, 2019, 03:49:04 AM
Can anyone speak for the OG classic spitfires?
I'm skating some Pro Berle Classics which are 99. They're nice but sure lasts way less than F4. I got them for like 1 month of skating and they shrinked quite a bit
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Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 13, 2019, 04:06:34 AM
Super juice will last longer than the hot juice and hold up a little better in corners..

I'm enjoying 56 ricta clouds more than the super juices I've had..
I really want to try some clouds but they don't look to wide. How do they compare width wise to something like spitfire conicals?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 13, 2019, 04:23:01 AM
If you are after something wide ish and around 60mm, I would check out the Powell Bombers, they're 60mm, decently wide and 85a. Not quite as soft as the OJs but either one is more than smooth enough for most rough terrain. I guess if your commute to work is next level shit, 78a vs 85a might be a noticeable difference.

The nice thing about them is they don't feel gummy on decent ground, and very surprisingly, they slide really good. I have no problem doing full on powerslides down hills without too much more effort than say on a wider spitfire classic, although it feels and sounds very different and you can't hold it for quite as long. In my opinion, it's always nice to have the option to be able to slide in case you ever need it.

I've tried my friends super juices, powell g-slides and the bombers. The bombers are my favourite by far and are nicer for slides than the g-slides, which have a chalky, muted slide. Recently got some 56mm keyframes because I wanted something with a smaller profile for my zip zinger, but really miss the ability to slide like on the bombers. That being said, if you want the softest possible wheel, I'd just get whatever you can find that's got the lowest durometer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 13, 2019, 04:43:39 AM
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Anyone skated SML 99d grocery bags? I usually skate Spitfire classic formula, but these are in the local shop in a 56 conical, and my usual wheels are not.
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they are very similiar to the classics

you'll enjoy them

Ended up getting the SML’s;
Only skated in the streets so far, but feel very similar to the classics, maybe a touch harder? Feel fast, slides are easy to control.

Thanks for recommending them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SUPREMENECKPROTECTOR on May 13, 2019, 05:24:12 AM
Does anybody know what happened to prizefighter? Did they close down? Never got the chance to try them and iirc they were very well received on here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 13, 2019, 11:02:48 AM
If you are after something wide ish and around 60mm, I would check out the Powell Bombers, they're 60mm, decently wide and 85a. Not quite as soft as the OJs but either one is more than smooth enough for most rough terrain. I guess if your commute to work is next level shit, 78a vs 85a might be a noticeable difference.

The nice thing about them is they don't feel gummy on decent ground, and very surprisingly, they slide really good. I have no problem doing full on powerslides down hills without too much more effort than say on a wider spitfire classic, although it feels and sounds very different and you can't hold it for quite as long. In my opinion, it's always nice to have the option to be able to slide in case you ever need it.

I've tried my friends super juices, powell g-slides and the bombers. The bombers are my favourite by far and are nicer for slides than the g-slides, which have a chalky, muted slide. Recently got some 56mm keyframes because I wanted something with a smaller profile for my zip zinger, but really miss the ability to slide like on the bombers. That being said, if you want the softest possible wheel, I'd just get whatever you can find that's got the lowest durometer.
Thanks for the advice. I'm thinking of 55-56mm though. Don't want to fuck around with wheelbite. Also, I won't really be doing powerslides. That's why I figured to just go with 78A since it'll be a smoother ride. However, I ride 101 formula fours so anything in the low 90s-mid 80s will seem extremely soft. I wish they made the bombers in a 54/56mm instead of like 62 haha. Lots of people rave about them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on May 13, 2019, 05:07:23 PM
Does anybody know what happened to prizefighter? Did they close down? Never got the chance to try them and iirc they were very well received on here.

Yea same I wanna know what’s up with them as well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 13, 2019, 05:20:26 PM
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Super juice will last longer than the hot juice and hold up a little better in corners..

I'm enjoying 56 ricta clouds more than the super juices I've had..
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I really want to try some clouds but they don't look to wide. How do they compare width wise to something like spitfire conicals?

They are wide enough imo. I have them side by side with 56 oj mini cubics and it's pretty much the same. I can't upload pictures or I'd show you
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 14, 2019, 12:54:29 AM
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If you are after something wide ish and around 60mm, I would check out the Powell Bombers, they're 60mm, decently wide and 85a. Not quite as soft as the OJs but either one is more than smooth enough for most rough terrain. I guess if your commute to work is next level shit, 78a vs 85a might be a noticeable difference.

The nice thing about them is they don't feel gummy on decent ground, and very surprisingly, they slide really good. I have no problem doing full on powerslides down hills without too much more effort than say on a wider spitfire classic, although it feels and sounds very different and you can't hold it for quite as long. In my opinion, it's always nice to have the option to be able to slide in case you ever need it.

I've tried my friends super juices, powell g-slides and the bombers. The bombers are my favourite by far and are nicer for slides than the g-slides, which have a chalky, muted slide. Recently got some 56mm keyframes because I wanted something with a smaller profile for my zip zinger, but really miss the ability to slide like on the bombers. That being said, if you want the softest possible wheel, I'd just get whatever you can find that's got the lowest durometer.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm thinking of 55-56mm though. Don't want to fuck around with wheelbite. Also, I won't really be doing powerslides. That's why I figured to just go with 78A since it'll be a smoother ride. However, I ride 101 formula fours so anything in the low 90s-mid 80s will seem extremely soft. I wish they made the bombers in a 54/56mm instead of like 62 haha. Lots of people rave about them.

In that case the super juice sound pretty ideal. Wheelbite isn't really ever an issue with me on cruisers for some reason so I guess I never really noticed. Good thing about 55-56mm is that it's a more similar height to your normal setup
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 14, 2019, 04:19:00 AM
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Does anybody know what happened to prizefighter? Did they close down? Never got the chance to try them and iirc they were very well received on here.
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Yea same I wanna know what’s up with them as well

It's done. Cool brand, Hope it comes back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 16, 2019, 07:02:35 PM
Can anyone tell me what exactly a threaded surface of a wheel do? I heard it makes you slide and or grip. How do you get rid of it?
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Post by: os89 on May 16, 2019, 07:27:11 PM
Can anyone tell me what exactly a threaded surface of a wheel do? I heard it makes you slide and or grip. How do you get rid of it?

They disappear so quickly Im not sure they really do anything. Just a few sessions and they're done.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 16, 2019, 10:01:18 PM
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Can anyone tell me what exactly a threaded surface of a wheel do? I heard it makes you slide and or grip. How do you get rid of it?
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They disappear so quickly Im not sure they really do anything. Just a few sessions and they're done.
thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on May 17, 2019, 01:11:52 AM
Just an update for anyone interested.

The V-Cut SML wheels are really similar to Conical F4's.

Highly recommend these SML's if anyone likes the Conicals.

The OG shape are more like the classic Spitfire shape.

Can't really split them in quality. Will continue to use both.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on May 17, 2019, 10:34:27 AM
My SML seem to be wearing extremely well. Like, zero change in 3 months of riding. I didn't like them as much the first week, but now they're pretty much the same as my conical fulls. They're between conical and conical fulls and I might try the classic-ish shape next.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyscumbag on May 17, 2019, 12:33:21 PM
I've been riding spitfires for years. Typically the conicals, but i just accidentally picked up a pair of classics. Looking forward to eating shit on rails
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: afoct5 on May 17, 2019, 03:45:28 PM
I've been riding spitfires for years. Typically the conicals, but i just accidentally picked up a pair of classics. Looking forward to eating shit on rails

I just switched from Conical Fulls back to Classics and to my surprise I didn't really notice much of a difference at all when locking in to grinds on ramp coping, curbs and flat bars. I have noticed my grinds are smoother and I go a bit further though. I also noticed it's easier to roll back in on a mini with fewer hang-ups. I thought I'd end up slipping out or pushing the locked wheel over the coping more often but that just hasn't been the case. Can't speak for high up rounded hand rails though, those days are long behind me. I've got some Tablets on the way but if I don't love those I think I'm sold on Classics now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 17, 2019, 09:56:27 PM
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I've been riding spitfires for years. Typically the conicals, but i just accidentally picked up a pair of classics. Looking forward to eating shit on rails
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I just switched from Conical Fulls back to Classics and to my surprise I didn't really notice much of a difference at all when locking in to grinds on ramp coping, curbs and flat bars. I have noticed my grinds are smoother and I go a bit further though. I also noticed it's easier to roll back in on a mini with fewer hang-ups. I thought I'd end up slipping out or pushing the locked wheel over the coping more often but that just hasn't been the case. Can't speak for high up rounded hand rails though, those days are long behind me. I've got some Tablets on the way but if I don't love those I think I'm sold on Classics now.

Do you notice a major difference in skating on rougher ground? Or does it feel largely the same. I like how nimble the classics feel, just skeptical of how they'd fare on a rougher spot and locking in (especially on round rails)
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Post by: afoct5 on May 18, 2019, 03:07:07 AM
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I've been riding spitfires for years. Typically the conicals, but i just accidentally picked up a pair of classics. Looking forward to eating shit on rails
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I just switched from Conical Fulls back to Classics and to my surprise I didn't really notice much of a difference at all when locking in to grinds on ramp coping, curbs and flat bars. I have noticed my grinds are smoother and I go a bit further though. I also noticed it's easier to roll back in on a mini with fewer hang-ups. I thought I'd end up slipping out or pushing the locked wheel over the coping more often but that just hasn't been the case. Can't speak for high up rounded hand rails though, those days are long behind me. I've got some Tablets on the way but if I don't love those I think I'm sold on Classics now.
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Do you notice a major difference in skating on rougher ground? Or does it feel largely the same. I like how nimble the classics feel, just skeptical of how they'd fare on a rougher spot and locking in (especially on round rails)

For me with the ground I skate I don’t notice much difference in speed. I live in Okinawa and that rounded wheel shape has saved me when rolling over the grates and sewer covers that are everywhere and which more square shaped wheels can more easily get stuck in. I imagine the Conical Fulls or Radials are a bit better if you mostly skate rougher spots though. I can’t speak to how they are on round rails unfortunately. I’m really looking forward to those Tablets though. A contact patch wider than Classics/Radial Slims without the extra bulk of Conicals/Radials might be a nice compromise. Hope that helps you out somehow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on May 25, 2019, 06:54:33 AM
My Spitfire 50mm F4 101D wheels has gone down to 45mm, within like 2 months.
Swapped back to some very old wheels I have, that are 51-50mm. Huge difference!
Because of that little more leverage, the board doesnt feel like its not "keeping" up. Moves more with me :D

Anyway... To maintain a some what consistent wheel size, it seems like you have to A) Buy a wheel thats bigger then you like, or B) Swap wheels often...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 25, 2019, 09:22:11 AM
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Super juice will last longer than the hot juice and hold up a little better in corners..

I'm enjoying 56 ricta clouds more than the super juices I've had..
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I really want to try some clouds but they don't look to wide. How do they compare width wise to something like spitfire conicals?

The Ricta clouds aren’t too wide until you hit the 60mm ones, those are very wide. Spitfire conicals that I’ve seen seem slightly narrower but very close to the under 60mm Rictas, but the 60mm Rictas are wider than any conicals I’ve seen and are closest to the 59mm gslides or maybe just a hair narrower than the Oj super juices
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 25, 2019, 10:30:00 AM
I’ve been riding some SML 53mm AG formula for a few weeks now, and I love them. Slightly harder, and feel faster on all surfaces than Spitfire classics, with about the same slide characteristics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on May 25, 2019, 02:38:59 PM
So I got a set of loopholes and it really sucks cause I can’t get rid of the wobble two of the wheels have, I’m guessing it’s a quality control thing, bad thing is that even though the wobble like hell they slide like the dickens.... oh well guess imma change up to some F4s



Maybe go to an actual shop and use the bearing pusher...but that’s wack
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 25, 2019, 11:57:55 PM
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I've been riding spitfires for years. Typically the conicals, but i just accidentally picked up a pair of classics. Looking forward to eating shit on rails
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I just switched from Conical Fulls back to Classics and to my surprise I didn't really notice much of a difference at all when locking in to grinds on ramp coping, curbs and flat bars. I have noticed my grinds are smoother and I go a bit further though. I also noticed it's easier to roll back in on a mini with fewer hang-ups. I thought I'd end up slipping out or pushing the locked wheel over the coping more often but that just hasn't been the case. Can't speak for high up rounded hand rails though, those days are long behind me. I've got some Tablets on the way but if I don't love those I think I'm sold on Classics now.
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Do you notice a major difference in skating on rougher ground? Or does it feel largely the same. I like how nimble the classics feel, just skeptical of how they'd fare on a rougher spot and locking in (especially on round rails)
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For me with the ground I skate I don’t notice much difference in speed. I live in Okinawa and that rounded wheel shape has saved me when rolling over the grates and sewer covers that are everywhere and which more square shaped wheels can more easily get stuck in. I imagine the Conical Fulls or Radials are a bit better if you mostly skate rougher spots though. I can’t speak to how they are on round rails unfortunately. I’m really looking forward to those Tablets though. A contact patch wider than Classics/Radial Slims without the extra bulk of Conicals/Radials might be a nice compromise. Hope that helps you out somehow.

Thanks, on the tablets riht now and I definitely know what you mean about getting stuck easily with square shaped wheels. Unless you really desire that wider contact patch immediately, I think radial slims are better than tablets. Basically same shape, slightly smaller contact patch at first but a few mms in and it's the same. They lock in basically just as good and the very slight taper/sidecut looks a bit more natural to me and maybe shave off some weight.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on May 28, 2019, 04:12:17 AM
Probably the best shape ever Is classic fulls.
I think they don't make them anymore right?
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Post by: full of jerks on May 28, 2019, 01:00:41 PM
They put out some Grosso wheels recently that were classic full.
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Post by: sharkin on May 28, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
they recently did some classic fulls in the overlay capsule

I've never skated the classic full shape, but radials look pretty close and they might be my favorite

(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring19/6-overlay-capsule-wheels-dt.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 31, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
Now that it has been a bit, anyone skating bones easy streets and able to speak on their durability?
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 31, 2019, 04:43:00 PM
Now that it has been a bit, anyone skating bones easy streets and able to speak on their durability?

On j...soy...’s recommendation I got some around a month ago and have been riding them on one of my set ups a few times a week since. They are pretty awesome! I powerslide and boardslide ledges a lot and haven't gotten any flat spots or chipping. They are 56mm, 99a “fatties” and feel less loud than other 99a’s I’ve ridden but still slide as well as any I’ve tried.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on May 31, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
SML V-cut wheels are the absolute best wheels I have skated. Followed closely by F4 Conicals.
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Post by: j....soy..... on June 01, 2019, 07:48:47 AM
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Now that it has been a bit, anyone skating bones easy streets and able to speak on their durability?
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On j...soy...’s recommendation I got some around a month ago and have been riding them on one of my set ups a few times a week since. They are pretty awesome! I powerslide and boardslide ledges a lot and haven't gotten any flat spots or chipping. They are 56mm, 99a “fatties” and feel less loud than other 99a’s I’ve ridden but still slide as well as any I’ve tried.

That's nice to heat they are working for you.....mine are holding up fine less a mini flat spot that cleared up in a day...where I really liked them was power sliding on asphalt....super consistent no hang up.  But I did skate a friend of mines spits in a park and they felt so fast and so I'm trying the tablets, just because I'm a sucker....
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 01, 2019, 08:43:32 AM
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Now that it has been a bit, anyone skating bones easy streets and able to speak on their durability?
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On j...soy...’s recommendation I got some around a month ago and have been riding them on one of my set ups a few times a week since. They are pretty awesome! I powerslide and boardslide ledges a lot and haven't gotten any flat spots or chipping. They are 56mm, 99a “fatties” and feel less loud than other 99a’s I’ve ridden but still slide as well as any I’ve tried.
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That's nice to heat they are working for you.....mine are holding up fine less a mini flat spot that cleared up in a day...where I really liked them was power sliding on asphalt....super consistent no hang up.  But I did skate a friend of mines spits in a park and they felt so fast and so I'm trying the tablets, just because I'm a sucker....

For sure, thanks a lot! Yeah, I love how they powerslide and they are great on the ledges I usually skate! Haha, I was thinking about checking out the tablets for my smaller set up, but I really need to stop buying wheels for a bit, I’m getting out of control between the easy streets , some giant OJ’s I got and these g-slides I got for cruising on
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on June 01, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
I was going to try a set of the Spit OG Classics, but a somewhat more wallet friendly deal on some OJ Elite Hardlines have popped up. Are those any good?
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Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on June 01, 2019, 12:36:51 PM
I was going to try a set of the Spit OG Classics, but a somewhat more wallet friendly deal on some OJ Elite Hardlines have popped up. Are those any good?
their ok. I had a set like a year ago and they weren’t to crazy. Once you break them in they slide pretty well. Could cheat fs 180’s with them. Did a 360 on them once that was clean but that’s just me.
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Post by: woodinbrine on June 02, 2019, 07:09:17 AM
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(...) OJ Elite Hardlines (...)
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their ok. I had a set like a year ago and they weren’t to crazy. Once you break them in they slide pretty well. Could cheat fs 180’s with them. Did a 360 on them once that was clean but that’s just me.

Pulled the trigger, so I’ll find out soon if they’re for me. I have very little experience with the different wheel brands, always exciting to try something else though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 43 on June 03, 2019, 02:02:54 PM
Anyone have any experience with the sml. Succulent Big Dreams or something similar? Usually ride 99 Spitfire Formula Fours but was thinking 92 might feel good on the crusty SF streets. Don't want to go full cruiser but want to roll over cracks and rough asphalt.

https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-cruisers-54mm-92a (https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-cruisers-54mm-92a)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on June 04, 2019, 06:25:54 PM
I've come to the conclusion that my 80hd chargers are actually pretty fucking slow.
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 04, 2019, 06:56:27 PM
I've come to the conclusion that my 80hd chargers are actually pretty fucking slow.

I had a couple sets of those a couple years ago and they felt slower than the other soft wheels I rode and I always had problems with the way the bearings would sit in the wheel. It would always feel wobbly, like I had a flat spot, but with no flat spot
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Post by: FROTHY on June 04, 2019, 08:11:43 PM
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I've come to the conclusion that my 80hd chargers are actually pretty fucking slow.
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I had a couple sets of those a couple years ago and they felt slower than the other soft wheels I rode and I always had problems with the way the bearings would sit in the wheel. It would always feel wobbly, like I had a flat spot, but with no flat spot
I only noticed the slowness. I really like how they look like regular wheels, and they are pristine white, but I gotta face the facts that they don't roll well. Going to switch back to my old zip zinger wheels. These are perfect.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/wwbs/image/upload/q_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy,c_pad,b_white,w_1000,h_1000/v1378670383/38137.png)
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Post by: moonordie on June 05, 2019, 01:05:41 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that my 80hd chargers are actually pretty fucking slow.
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I had a couple sets of those a couple years ago and they felt slower than the other soft wheels I rode and I always had problems with the way the bearings would sit in the wheel. It would always feel wobbly, like I had a flat spot, but with no flat spot
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I only noticed the slowness. I really like how they look like regular wheels, and they are pristine white, but I gotta face the facts that they don't roll well. Going to switch back to my old zip zinger wheels. These are perfect.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/wwbs/image/upload/q_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy,c_pad,b_white,w_1000,h_1000/v1378670383/38137.png)
I have Ricta clouds, the 86a, on my second setup as the fell pretty good. The regular look is great too
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 05, 2019, 06:20:40 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that my 80hd chargers are actually pretty fucking slow.
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I had a couple sets of those a couple years ago and they felt slower than the other soft wheels I rode and I always had problems with the way the bearings would sit in the wheel. It would always feel wobbly, like I had a flat spot, but with no flat spot
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I only noticed the slowness. I really like how they look like regular wheels, and they are pristine white, but I gotta face the facts that they don't roll well. Going to switch back to my old zip zinger wheels. These are perfect.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/wwbs/image/upload/q_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy,c_pad,b_white,w_1000,h_1000/v1378670383/38137.png)

Nice! I’ve never tried the zip zingers but I liked Ricta clouds (in smaller sizes) and mini logo 90a for softer wheels that are reasonably sized for street skating
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on June 07, 2019, 08:31:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aqCye0S.jpg?1)

put these on my new cruiser. they're pretty nice feeling, only took one ride around with em but they felt solid ollieing up curbs and landing some kickflips, shuvits, and 180s. I don't think I can slide em just yet, but there's definitely potential once they're worn in.

I was contemplating super juice but im glad i went with a more traditional wheel shape and slightly harder duro. These feel like they stick to the pavement just as much but they don't bounce around as badly when you pop
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Post by: Hefe43 on June 07, 2019, 10:06:52 PM
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I've come to the conclusion that my 80hd chargers are actually pretty fucking slow.
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I had a couple sets of those a couple years ago and they felt slower than the other soft wheels I rode and I always had problems with the way the bearings would sit in the wheel. It would always feel wobbly, like I had a flat spot, but with no flat spot
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I only noticed the slowness. I really like how they look like regular wheels, and they are pristine white, but I gotta face the facts that they don't roll well. Going to switch back to my old zip zinger wheels. These are perfect.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/wwbs/image/upload/q_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy,c_pad,b_white,w_1000,h_1000/v1378670383/38137.png)
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I have Ricta clouds, the 86a, on my second setup as the fell pretty good. The regular look is great too

I had those zingers as well but I thought they felt like spitfire soft wheels. I’m assuming they’re made by deluxe like spitHDs. I liked them for a minute but once I came up on some ATFs on the cheap I haven’t looked back. They feel so much faster than spits/zingers. They may be a little too soft for my liking but personally I think bones makes a better soft wheel.


Sharkin those Pods look sick
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on June 08, 2019, 09:19:51 AM
any more reviews on Loophole? and any idea where to get them (especially online)?
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Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 08, 2019, 01:14:07 PM
I've come to the conclusion that my 80hd chargers are actually pretty fucking slow.
I almost got some and thank god I got OJ Mini Super Juices. Those things are super fast!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: papo on June 08, 2019, 02:14:17 PM
Did anyone get the Spitfire Tablets yet?
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Post by: tzhangdox on June 08, 2019, 03:33:08 PM
Did anyone get the Spitfire Tablets yet?

Yup. They're good, no real complaints but I think I still prefer radial slims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on June 08, 2019, 06:59:58 PM
I have 52 tablets. They feel as fast as a 53 conical or radial, faster than 53 radial slims, faster than 54 classic. Not scientific. Other than that they look weird at first with how much your axles stick out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 08, 2019, 08:32:36 PM
Anyone have any experience with the sml. Succulent Big Dreams or something similar? Usually ride 99 Spitfire Formula Fours but was thinking 92 might feel good on the crusty SF streets. Don't want to go full cruiser but want to roll over cracks and rough asphalt.

https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-cruisers-54mm-92a (https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-cruisers-54mm-92a)

I have the 92a/54mm wheels. They are too soft for where I skate but I am just rolling in asphalt. The shape is the same as radials, so besides being soft the feel is similar to the F4s, but they do not slide easily. A wheel I had that I liked better was Rain Skates 98a. https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=11386

I like the wheel sound and you don’t get that with 92a wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imissThink on June 08, 2019, 08:39:18 PM
I've been switching from Bones And Spitfire the last few years, I like the STF Bones..
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Post by: tzhangdox on June 09, 2019, 12:50:21 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aqCye0S.jpg?1)

put these on my new cruiser. they're pretty nice feeling, only took one ride around with em but they felt solid ollieing up curbs and landing some kickflips, shuvits, and 180s. I don't think I can slide em just yet, but there's definitely potential once they're worn in.

I was contemplating super juice but im glad i went with a more traditional wheel shape and slightly harder duro. These feel like they stick to the pavement just as much but they don't bounce around as badly when you pop

These look very similar to keyframes. If they are able to slide after breaking in that would be super sick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on June 10, 2019, 01:14:42 PM
while we are at softer wheels...

i am riding the powell ssf 55mm on my cruiser and really like them.
they are fast (enough) and slide decently. for regular power slides you need a lot of power but they slide.
a bit too wide imo but not too bad. so far best feeling cruiser wheel i've had
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 27, 2019, 04:26:08 AM
I got a set of Ricta Sparx 55mm with a set of trucks I bought a few weeks ago and Im not really impressed. They're not noticeably shitty like ebay blank wheels or anything but just for a 101a 55mm I feel like they're not very fast. I know they still need to break in but I tried some Bones 100's 52mm with the same bearings and they were noticeably faster, quite a bit so actually. Also when I try to slide the Sparx its got this kinda weird feel to it, they break free from grip like a hard wheel but once you're actually sliding they're kinda "choppy" like 90a hybrid mini-logos are. I expect that will improve with time but for now I've just taken them off and I'm keeping them for a backup set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 27, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
im still shilling ricta naturals as some of the best wheels i've ridden. just as slippy if not arguably more than f4s/stfs (in my opinion but that also comes as a detriment sometimes as theyll slide out when you dont want, once you get used to it and being able to predict them its good), good shape on them and theyre always on sale too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on June 27, 2019, 08:52:52 AM
Did anyone get the Spitfire Tablets yet?
Yeah I posted a review 2 pages back
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on June 27, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
Just picked these up.  44mm x 29mm

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-44mm-103a-fat-bundts-skateboard-wheels

(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/239517929/BoardyCakes_FatBundts_2010.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1200)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on June 27, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
I bought some Bones Easy Streets Dirty Birds and they ended up causing me to almost fold my leg up because that are so grippy. I guess I am used to that F4 slide you get on some tricks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on June 27, 2019, 10:08:24 AM
Just picked these up.  44mm x 29mm

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-44mm-103a-fat-bundts-skateboard-wheels

(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/239517929/BoardyCakes_FatBundts_2010.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1200)
holy shit Steve, those things are fucking tiny.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on June 27, 2019, 10:30:17 AM
Thinking about skating some orbs next, anyone else tried them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on June 27, 2019, 11:28:12 AM
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Just picked these up.  44mm x 29mm

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-44mm-103a-fat-bundts-skateboard-wheels

(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/239517929/BoardyCakes_FatBundts_2010.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1200)
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holy shit Steve, those things are fucking tiny.

yep!  they should be fun....or horrible....or horribly fun
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 27, 2019, 03:13:59 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/GhwZzdXY/20190627-175927.jpg)

Got the last one of these from a smaller shop. They're fairly hard to find and I know they're gimmick-y but I've always been curious about them.

Also the Boardy Cakes wheels are fun as fuck - I have a set of the 42s and the guy who makes them is a good dude. Hilariously, some dipshit on ebay is trying to pass them off as super rare and sell them for $100. Boardy cakes sells them for $25 on ebay.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 27, 2019, 05:24:51 PM
Thinking about skating some orbs next, anyone else tried them?

Hated them. Had a set right when they came out, they were cored. They were unique in that they managed to combine the shitty parts of a hard wheel, but still be incredibly slow. Looking back it was actually amazing. They felt like not real skate company wheels. I like plenty of creative urethane wheels, f4s for sure, the mike Anderson spitfire wheel is dope. The orbs may have been the worst wheel I’ve ever had. So in conclusion: you should get them, because being the worst is an accomplishment
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on June 27, 2019, 06:46:08 PM
That’s the stupidest response ever.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 27, 2019, 08:14:18 PM
That’s the stupidest response ever.

See you agree and employ the ethos
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 28, 2019, 04:04:52 AM
Alright I might be jumping the gun here but after two trips to the store yesterday and my commute to work this morning I feel pretty confident in saying that Little Doodies are the best wheel ever made. These things are just flat out fun. I initially put them on an 8.8 shaped deck but after about two minutes I remembered why I never ride that deck, it has gullwing trucks. It rained a little bit so I moved them over to a 8.25 creature with tensor mag lights that I use as a beater/rain board and ended up turning a quick 5 minute cigarette run into a half hour cruise around the Pitt campus.

These things are the most fun I've had since I started regularly skating again last year. They're 58mm and really soft like a cruiser wheel but they ride unlike any big wheel I've tried before. They're surprisingly really fast and way more stable than I thought they'd be, but still more agile than a normal cruiser wheel. The soft, sticky PU compound they use is amazing for rough streets. I hit some streets that I usually walk even on my normal cruiser wheels and it made them totally bearable, and I was able to just roll over cracks and pebbles without issue. They're really good for getting into slappies although they do grab the curb a lot if you aren't centered on your trucks. I have a broken toe so I didn't do any stairs or anything bigger than a couple curb ollies but they were fine for that, and since it was wet out I was actually able to slide them on fresh blacktop.

All in all I'm super stoked on these wheels and I highly recommend grabbing a set if you see them, especially given how hard they are to find.

TL;DR: Little Doodies are fast and super fun cruiser wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on June 28, 2019, 04:59:05 AM
Alright I might be jumping the gun here but after two trips to the store yesterday and my commute to work this morning I feel pretty confident in saying that Little Doodies are the best wheel ever made. These things are just flat out fun. I initially put them on an 8.8 shaped deck but after about two minutes I remembered why I never ride that deck, it has gullwing trucks. It rained a little bit so I moved them over to a 8.25 creature with tensor mag lights that I use as a beater/rain board and ended up turning a quick 5 minute cigarette run into a half hour cruise around the Pitt campus.

These things are the most fun I've had since I started regularly skating again last year. They're 58mm and really soft like a cruiser wheel but they ride unlike any big wheel I've tried before. They're surprisingly really fast and way more stable than I thought they'd be, but still more agile than a normal cruiser wheel. The soft, sticky PU compound they use is amazing for rough streets. I hit some streets that I usually walk even on my normal cruiser wheels and it made them totally bearable, and I was able to just roll over cracks and pebbles without issue. They're really good for getting into slappies although they do grab the curb a lot if you aren't centered on your trucks. I have a broken toe so I didn't do any stairs or anything bigger than a couple curb ollies but they were fine for that, and since it was wet out I was actually able to slide them on fresh blacktop.

All in all I'm super stoked on these wheels and I highly recommend grabbing a set if you see them, especially given how hard they are to find.

TL;DR: Little Doodies are fast and super fun cruiser wheels.

I have a set and they’re probably the slowest wheel I’ve tried due to the contact patch being so minimal. Other than that can’t say much about them. Hated them so much that they didn’t stay on for long.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 28, 2019, 05:30:10 AM
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Alright I might be jumping the gun here but after two trips to the store yesterday and my commute to work this morning I feel pretty confident in saying that Little Doodies are the best wheel ever made. These things are just flat out fun. I initially put them on an 8.8 shaped deck but after about two minutes I remembered why I never ride that deck, it has gullwing trucks. It rained a little bit so I moved them over to a 8.25 creature with tensor mag lights that I use as a beater/rain board and ended up turning a quick 5 minute cigarette run into a half hour cruise around the Pitt campus.

These things are the most fun I've had since I started regularly skating again last year. They're 58mm and really soft like a cruiser wheel but they ride unlike any big wheel I've tried before. They're surprisingly really fast and way more stable than I thought they'd be, but still more agile than a normal cruiser wheel. The soft, sticky PU compound they use is amazing for rough streets. I hit some streets that I usually walk even on my normal cruiser wheels and it made them totally bearable, and I was able to just roll over cracks and pebbles without issue. They're really good for getting into slappies although they do grab the curb a lot if you aren't centered on your trucks. I have a broken toe so I didn't do any stairs or anything bigger than a couple curb ollies but they were fine for that, and since it was wet out I was actually able to slide them on fresh blacktop.

All in all I'm super stoked on these wheels and I highly recommend grabbing a set if you see them, especially given how hard they are to find.

TL;DR: Little Doodies are fast and super fun cruiser wheels.
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I have a set and they’re probably the slowest wheel I’ve tried due to the contact patch being so minimal. Other than that can’t say much about them. Hated them so much that they didn’t stay on for long.

Are you sure it wasn't your bearings or something else? They're slower than a hard wheel on smooth ground just due to being soft but a small contact patch isn't actually necessarily bad for speed, at least once you get going. Less contact = less friction (this is, amongst other reasons, why racing/road bike tires are very thin and hard), although obviously there's a lot of other factors that go into it. They're definitely faster than my regular cruiser wheels which are about the same durometer and a slightly larger diameter, using the same bearings and setup.

I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to invalidate your experience, but mine has been very different at least thus far, which is admittedly a very short test period.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on June 28, 2019, 08:25:00 AM
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Alright I might be jumping the gun here but after two trips to the store yesterday and my commute to work this morning I feel pretty confident in saying that Little Doodies are the best wheel ever made. These things are just flat out fun. I initially put them on an 8.8 shaped deck but after about two minutes I remembered why I never ride that deck, it has gullwing trucks. It rained a little bit so I moved them over to a 8.25 creature with tensor mag lights that I use as a beater/rain board and ended up turning a quick 5 minute cigarette run into a half hour cruise around the Pitt campus.

These things are the most fun I've had since I started regularly skating again last year. They're 58mm and really soft like a cruiser wheel but they ride unlike any big wheel I've tried before. They're surprisingly really fast and way more stable than I thought they'd be, but still more agile than a normal cruiser wheel. The soft, sticky PU compound they use is amazing for rough streets. I hit some streets that I usually walk even on my normal cruiser wheels and it made them totally bearable, and I was able to just roll over cracks and pebbles without issue. They're really good for getting into slappies although they do grab the curb a lot if you aren't centered on your trucks. I have a broken toe so I didn't do any stairs or anything bigger than a couple curb ollies but they were fine for that, and since it was wet out I was actually able to slide them on fresh blacktop.

All in all I'm super stoked on these wheels and I highly recommend grabbing a set if you see them, especially given how hard they are to find.

TL;DR: Little Doodies are fast and super fun cruiser wheels.
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I have a set and they’re probably the slowest wheel I’ve tried due to the contact patch being so minimal. Other than that can’t say much about them. Hated them so much that they didn’t stay on for long.
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...Less contact = less friction...
This is not true, surface area doesn't increase friction. You can have a lighter wheel with a larger contact patch and it will have less friction than a heavier wheel with a smaller contact patch.

"Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces."

Paul Walorski, B.A. Physics
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on June 28, 2019, 09:01:13 AM
it's never as straight forward as a simple physics textbook or definition

when you're rolling a wheel and quickly redistribute the weight and press it at an angle it so it breaks into a slide, there are more variables at play.

what you describe works for sled runners or if a skateboard wheel was permanently sliding, but the break between roll/slide is heavily affected by width of the contact patch, and that's what people are talking about when they talk wheel "friction".

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on June 28, 2019, 09:10:58 AM
This proof about wider wheels not being grippier comes up every now and then. The thing is that this proof is about more contact with same weight. Wider wheels are obviously also heavier, and therefore also grippier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on June 28, 2019, 09:14:26 AM
This proof about wider wheels not being grippier comes up every now and then. The thing is that this proof is about more contact with same weight. Wider wheels are obviously also heavier, and therefore also grippier.
Not necessarily. The wheels' shape has a lot to do with the weight, and some wheels with a wide contact patch weigh less than wheels with a slim contact patch. Classics have a lot of the bulk of the wheel not on the riding surface, and tablets have a wider riding surface than any spit of the same size despite being the slimmest wheel in the lineup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on June 28, 2019, 09:25:57 AM
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Alright I might be jumping the gun here but after two trips to the store yesterday and my commute to work this morning I feel pretty confident in saying that Little Doodies are the best wheel ever made. These things are just flat out fun. I initially put them on an 8.8 shaped deck but after about two minutes I remembered why I never ride that deck, it has gullwing trucks. It rained a little bit so I moved them over to a 8.25 creature with tensor mag lights that I use as a beater/rain board and ended up turning a quick 5 minute cigarette run into a half hour cruise around the Pitt campus.

These things are the most fun I've had since I started regularly skating again last year. They're 58mm and really soft like a cruiser wheel but they ride unlike any big wheel I've tried before. They're surprisingly really fast and way more stable than I thought they'd be, but still more agile than a normal cruiser wheel. The soft, sticky PU compound they use is amazing for rough streets. I hit some streets that I usually walk even on my normal cruiser wheels and it made them totally bearable, and I was able to just roll over cracks and pebbles without issue. They're really good for getting into slappies although they do grab the curb a lot if you aren't centered on your trucks. I have a broken toe so I didn't do any stairs or anything bigger than a couple curb ollies but they were fine for that, and since it was wet out I was actually able to slide them on fresh blacktop.

All in all I'm super stoked on these wheels and I highly recommend grabbing a set if you see them, especially given how hard they are to find.

TL;DR: Little Doodies are fast and super fun cruiser wheels.
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I have a set and they’re probably the slowest wheel I’ve tried due to the contact patch being so minimal. Other than that can’t say much about them. Hated them so much that they didn’t stay on for long.
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Are you sure it wasn't your bearings or something else? They're slower than a hard wheel on smooth ground just due to being soft but a small contact patch isn't actually necessarily bad for speed, at least once you get going. Less contact = less friction (this is, amongst other reasons, why racing/road bike tires are very thin and hard), although obviously there's a lot of other factors that go into it. They're definitely faster than my regular cruiser wheels which are about the same durometer and a slightly larger diameter, using the same bearings and setup.

I'm not saying you're wrong or trying to invalidate your experience, but mine has been very different at least thus far, which is admittedly a very short test period.

Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't the bearings as I used bearings I've used in many other set ups successfully in them. Streets here are really rough and the smaller contact patch goes into every little dent in the surface. Compared to 60 mm 78A Ricta Clouds the Little Doodies were ridiculously slow. The Rictas are mad wide and thus not as much affected by the roughness of the asphalt. Even 101A F4 Conical Fulls are probably faster here than the Little Doodies.

But if you live in an area where they work for you, that's great as it seems like a fun wheel with such a round shape and softness but still being relatively easy to slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on June 28, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
This proof about wider wheels not being grippier comes up every now and then. The thing is that this proof is about more contact with same weight. Wider wheels are obviously also heavier, and therefore also grippier.

How much do you think a set of Conical Fulls weigh more than a set of Classics? And compare that difference to the weight of the bearings, trucks, hardware, board, grip and the fucking rider standing on the board. You think that difference in wheel weight will have any noticeable difference in friction on the wheels? And if you notice such a difference, do you also find yourself slipping about uncontrollably after ripping a fart mid session due to the weight you just lost from the fart?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 28, 2019, 09:44:03 AM
At any moment somebody is going to create the "how much does your setup weigh" thread.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on June 28, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
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This proof about wider wheels not being grippier comes up every now and then. The thing is that this proof is about more contact with same weight. Wider wheels are obviously also heavier, and therefore also grippier.
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How much do you think a set of Conical Fulls weigh more than a set of Classics? And compare that difference to the weight of the bearings, trucks, hardware, board, grip and the fucking rider standing on the board. You think that difference in wheel weight will have any noticeable difference in friction on the wheels? And if you notice such a difference, do you also find yourself slipping about uncontrollably after ripping a fart mid session due to the weight you just lost from the fart?
Dude, chill. It was just a thought, and I didn't mean just contact patch, I meant wider as in just that, wider. Scientifically, wider wheels will be more grippy than skinnier wheels because more mass=more weight.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on June 28, 2019, 11:42:46 AM
Dude, chill. It was just a thought, and I didn't mean just contact patch, I meant wider as in just that, wider. Scientifically, wider wheels will be more grippy than skinnier wheels because more mass=more weight.

Sure.   My fat ass plus my complete has a mass of around 84820 grams.  Wider wheels may add 20 grams making it 84840 grams.    That's a .023574% increase in grip.  Fucking huge. 

I decided I would rather keep $.83 in my pocket to get the same amount of extra grip.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on June 28, 2019, 11:44:50 AM
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This proof about wider wheels not being grippier comes up every now and then. The thing is that this proof is about more contact with same weight. Wider wheels are obviously also heavier, and therefore also grippier.
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How much do you think a set of Conical Fulls weigh more than a set of Classics? And compare that difference to the weight of the bearings, trucks, hardware, board, grip and the fucking rider standing on the board. You think that difference in wheel weight will have any noticeable difference in friction on the wheels? And if you notice such a difference, do you also find yourself slipping about uncontrollably after ripping a fart mid session due to the weight you just lost from the fart?
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Dude, chill. It was just a thought, and I didn't mean just contact patch, I meant wider as in just that, wider. Scientifically, wider wheels will be more grippy than skinnier wheels because more mass=more weight.

Sorry. Got a bit overly worked up there. I get annoyed by the lack of actual facts relating to skateboarding gear and the insane amount of completely pseudo-scientific things ppl go on about.

I do realise that skateboarding is 95% mental and thus things that have no real effect in physical reality can have a massive impact in the reality of skateboarding of the person who has a certain view on whatever aspect of it it is that they feel strongly about.

I guess I'm a bit overly scientific/tech oriented in general and sometimes get annoyed when ppl are different than me. I do realise that I wasn't being constructive at all and I apologise for that. I really do have to work on that.

The facts still stand though. Surface area/contact patch width is not related to friction whatsoever. And adding <0.1% more weight isn't going to make any noticeable difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on June 28, 2019, 11:58:10 AM
the doodies are basically g&s rollerballs from late 70s/early 80s
the marketing at the time was total bullshit lol

(https://i.imgur.com/jBG6sMc.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 28, 2019, 03:17:23 PM
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This proof about wider wheels not being grippier comes up every now and then. The thing is that this proof is about more contact with same weight. Wider wheels are obviously also heavier, and therefore also grippier.
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How much do you think a set of Conical Fulls weigh more than a set of Classics? And compare that difference to the weight of the bearings, trucks, hardware, board, grip and the fucking rider standing on the board. You think that difference in wheel weight will have any noticeable difference in friction on the wheels? And if you notice such a difference, do you also find yourself slipping about uncontrollably after ripping a fart mid session due to the weight you just lost from the fart?
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Dude, chill. It was just a thought, and I didn't mean just contact patch, I meant wider as in just that, wider. Scientifically, wider wheels will be more grippy than skinnier wheels because more mass=more weight.
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Sorry. Got a bit overly worked up there. I get annoyed by the lack of actual facts relating to skateboarding gear and the insane amount of completely pseudo-scientific things ppl go on about.

I do realise that skateboarding is 95% mental and thus things that have no real effect in physical reality can have a massive impact in the reality of skateboarding of the person who has a certain view on whatever aspect of it it is that they feel strongly about.

I guess I'm a bit overly scientific/tech oriented in general and sometimes get annoyed when ppl are different than me. I do realise that I wasn't being constructive at all and I apologise for that. I really do have to work on that.

The facts still stand though. Surface area/contact patch width is not related to friction whatsoever. And adding <0.1% more weight isn't going to make any noticeable difference.

Ok, friction isn't the appropriate word if you want to be pedantic - how about rolling resistance (of which friction is one of numerous variables including, but not necessarily limited to, wheel diameter, speed, load, surface, micro-surface interactions, environmental variables and all that entails... and so on and so forth). Is that more to your liking?

And I'm actually working on improving my 180s by farting at the exact right moment to help me overcome that last little bit of friction that's been stopping me.

And the doodies are more or less exactly a copy of the G&S rollerballs - the marketing may have been largely bullshit but the last bullet point in the ad there is the most salient and - so far in my experience, accurate, one.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lamfordie on June 28, 2019, 09:58:46 PM
Anyone knows where I can get a set of those spitfire afterburners green and purple swirl wheels in 52 or 54?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Reese on June 29, 2019, 04:04:48 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5282/5208073328_43338b0bca_z.jpg)

I saw some in there ^
Looks pretty safe

Anyone knows where I can get a set of those spitfire afterburners green and purple swirl wheels in 52 or 54?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 30, 2019, 02:52:15 AM
last page i was shilling rictas hard, same day this happened lmao

(https://i.imgur.com/w6yxviFl.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 30, 2019, 02:23:47 PM
Anyone knows where I can get a set of those spitfire afterburners green and purple swirl wheels in 52 or 54?

Which ones? Warehouse skateboards (https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/spitfire-wheels-formula-four-classic-toxic-apocalypse-purple-green-skateboard-wheels-54mm-99a-set-of-4?source=googleshopping&locale=en-US&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu-HoBRD5ARIsAPIPendTbbcy1IV3F3y5-GdwO2h4Ob9jsneoTO_0wVynTvIhJOo373z9xAsaAtAGEALw_wcB) has the Toxic Apocalypse Green/Purple swirl in 54 but the older ones with just the spitfire head are really hard to find.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SHIREFLIP on June 30, 2019, 02:58:31 PM
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Alright I might be jumping the gun here but after two trips to the store yesterday and my commute to work this morning I feel pretty confident in saying that Little Doodies are the best wheel ever made. These things are just flat out fun. I initially put them on an 8.8 shaped deck but after about two minutes I remembered why I never ride that deck, it has gullwing trucks. It rained a little bit so I moved them over to a 8.25 creature with tensor mag lights that I use as a beater/rain board and ended up turning a quick 5 minute cigarette run into a half hour cruise around the Pitt campus.

These things are the most fun I've had since I started regularly skating again last year. They're 58mm and really soft like a cruiser wheel but they ride unlike any big wheel I've tried before. They're surprisingly really fast and way more stable than I thought they'd be, but still more agile than a normal cruiser wheel. The soft, sticky PU compound they use is amazing for rough streets. I hit some streets that I usually walk even on my normal cruiser wheels and it made them totally bearable, and I was able to just roll over cracks and pebbles without issue. They're really good for getting into slappies although they do grab the curb a lot if you aren't centered on your trucks. I have a broken toe so I didn't do any stairs or anything bigger than a couple curb ollies but they were fine for that, and since it was wet out I was actually able to slide them on fresh blacktop.

All in all I'm super stoked on these wheels and I highly recommend grabbing a set if you see them, especially given how hard they are to find.

TL;DR: Little Doodies are fast and super fun cruiser wheels.
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I have a set and they’re probably the slowest wheel I’ve tried due to the contact patch being so minimal. Other than that can’t say much about them. Hated them so much that they didn’t stay on for long.
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...Less contact = less friction...
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This is not true, surface area doesn't increase friction. You can have a lighter wheel with a larger contact patch and it will have less friction than a heavier wheel with a smaller contact patch.

"Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces."

Paul Walorski, B.A. Physics

Wot?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 01, 2019, 06:45:12 PM
Does anybody riding bones STF have a problem with bearings slow creeping out of the seating?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on July 01, 2019, 08:31:58 PM
I did a few minutes of cruising around on these things (still can't ollie or do anything else while injured) and they're surprisingly fine.  I really didn't notice a big difference in speed between these and my usual 52mm.  They are hard as hell though

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 02, 2019, 05:24:57 AM
Does anybody riding bones STF have a problem with bearings slow creeping out of the seating?

I haven’t seen that on the Easy streets at all but I haven't tried the harder STF formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on July 02, 2019, 07:56:16 AM
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Does anybody riding bones STF have a problem with bearings slow creeping out of the seating?
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I haven’t seen that on the Easy streets at all but I haven't tried the harder STF formula

Happened to me constantly with the STF V3 shape.  Haven't had it happen at all with the Easy Street V2 and V5 shapes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 02, 2019, 11:02:08 AM
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I haven’t seen that on the Easy streets at all but I haven't tried the harder STF formula
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Happened to me constantly with the STF V3 shape.  Haven't had it happen at all with the Easy Street V2 and V5 shapes

That's the exact mold I'm riding right now. I'd switch to something different but the v3's are my favorite shape wheel. sigh..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 02, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
I did a few minutes of cruising around on these things (still can't ollie or do anything else while injured) and they're surprisingly fine.  I really didn't notice a big difference in speed between these and my usual 52mm.  They are hard as hell though

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Looks fun as fuck. Are they wider?
Lots of folks were I am, run conical fulls, and then just never ever change they wheels. Eventually the wheel is a super wide, small diameter wheel.
I dunno how the wide wheels effect performance, turning radius, etc. interested if someone chimes in. Small wheels would be ideal, for everything except the horrible streets where I live
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on July 02, 2019, 11:08:53 AM
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I did a few minutes of cruising around on these things (still can't ollie or do anything else while injured) and they're surprisingly fine.  I really didn't notice a big difference in speed between these and my usual 52mm.  They are hard as hell though

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Looks fun as fuck. Are they wider?
Lots of folks were I am, run conical fulls, and then just never ever change they wheels. Eventually the wheel is a super wide, small diameter wheel.
I dunno how the wide wheels effect performance, turning radius, etc. interested if someone chimes in. Small wheels would be ideal, for everything except the horrible streets where I live

They're wider than most wheels that size and similar to a normal wheel  - 29mm wide with a 17mm riding surface.

The first real board  I had around 1992-93 had Powell Jelly Balls and the dimensions/shape remind me of those

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 02, 2019, 11:25:07 AM
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I did a few minutes of cruising around on these things (still can't ollie or do anything else while injured) and they're surprisingly fine.  I really didn't notice a big difference in speed between these and my usual 52mm.  They are hard as hell though

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Looks fun as fuck. Are they wider?
Lots of folks were I am, run conical fulls, and then just never ever change they wheels. Eventually the wheel is a super wide, small diameter wheel.
I dunno how the wide wheels effect performance, turning radius, etc. interested if someone chimes in. Small wheels would be ideal, for everything except the horrible streets where I live
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They're wider than most wheels that size and similar to a normal wheel  - 29mm wide with a 17mm riding surface.

The first real board  I had around 1992-93 had Powell Jelly Balls and the dimensions/shape remind me of those

Thanks!
Appreciate the specs.
Was thinking of grabbing some of those 45s from hi tek. Or just getting the 101 conical fills and start doing as many slides as possible.
Not sure how bad your injury is, but it’s oretty amazing how much stuff you can try without popping: I’ve definitely mangled myself trying to learn switch powerslides, and a bucket list trick would be that frontside no pop shuv that jb does.
Hope you heal well, and quickly
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on July 03, 2019, 07:08:21 AM
Anyone see pig prime or whatever it’s 103a and maybe their version of an F4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 03, 2019, 08:01:48 AM
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Does anybody riding bones STF have a problem with bearings slow creeping out of the seating?
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I haven’t seen that on the Easy streets at all but I haven't tried the harder STF formula
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Happened to me constantly with the STF V3 shape.  Haven't had it happen at all with the Easy Street V2 and V5 shapes
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That's the exact mold I'm riding right now. I'd switch to something different but the v3's are my favorite shape wheel. sigh..

My problem is spits never fitting properly in the seat....the hole is so much smaller and tighter.....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 03, 2019, 06:36:09 PM
Does anybody riding bones STF have a problem with bearings slow creeping out of the seating?

I used to ride 95a wheels and never had this problem. Once I switched to SPF’s I noticed this. I tried getting new wheels, bearings, and even new trucks and nothing helped. It’s even worse when it’s hot out. My guess is that the heat causes the wheels to expand and push the bearings out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohnowisee on July 04, 2019, 06:46:20 AM
I'm just finishing my Bones V3 103a 52mm Cody Lockwood wheels and I was pretty impressed by them.  I normally skate 101a OJs now a days( and I'm also not a dragon type of person), but I figured I'd give these a shot. They slide well, had no problem with speed and have lasted me a while.  I mainly skate on concrete and only rode them at a non concrete park once and it felt weird.  I kept feeling like I was going to slide out, but they stuck pretty well. Overall, I'd probably get them again in a 54
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: usedtostillskate on July 04, 2019, 08:44:44 PM
If anyone is interested in knowing about ricta rapidos, I gave them a chance for about 5 sessions before giving up. They're fast and remind me somewhat of landsharks with their speed. They're way softer feeling though. I had to switch back to my bones stf though since it took way too much work to get them to slide. I didn't have any problems with the bones anyways just wanted to give rictas a try. Overall they weren't too bad but if you like sliding don't bother.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on July 05, 2019, 06:22:45 PM
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Does anybody riding bones STF have a problem with bearings slow creeping out of the seating?
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I haven’t seen that on the Easy streets at all but I haven't tried the harder STF formula
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Happened to me constantly with the STF V3 shape.  Haven't had it happen at all with the Easy Street V2 and V5 shapes
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That's the exact mold I'm riding right now. I'd switch to something different but the v3's are my favorite shape wheel. sigh..

Just an update.

I found that cleaning the bearing seats of bones stfs with 91% isopropyl alcohol makes the area sticky thus retaining the bearing in fairly well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 05, 2019, 06:31:29 PM
If anyone is interested in knowing about ricta rapidos, I gave them a chance for about 5 sessions before giving up. They're fast and remind me somewhat of landsharks with their speed. They're way softer feeling though. I had to switch back to my bones stf though since it took way too much work to get them to slide. I didn't have any problems with the bones anyways just wanted to give rictas a try. Overall they weren't too bad but if you like sliding don't bother.

Ricta Rapido, felt slow and soft to me. No way they were at the level of landsharks (man those cored 101s were the shit); also that whole rapido line had the worst shapes and size combos out, plus the slim was nowhere near slim except compared to the rest of the line.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: usedtostillskate on July 07, 2019, 04:52:40 AM
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If anyone is interested in knowing about ricta rapidos, I gave them a chance for about 5 sessions before giving up. They're fast and remind me somewhat of landsharks with their speed. They're way softer feeling though. I had to switch back to my bones stf though since it took way too much work to get them to slide. I didn't have any problems with the bones anyways just wanted to give rictas a try. Overall they weren't too bad but if you like sliding don't bother.
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Ricta Rapido, felt slow and soft to me. No way they were at the level of landsharks (man those cored 101s were the shit); also that whole rapido line had the worst shapes and size combos out, plus the slime was nowhere near slim except compared to the rest of the line.
I actually liked the shape of the slim a lot. It just took a ton of work to get them to slide. I also forgot to mention that I had little chunks coming out of the sides after the first session on them. It didn't affect their performance but made them seem cheap.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 07, 2019, 11:14:55 AM
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If anyone is interested in knowing about ricta rapidos, I gave them a chance for about 5 sessions before giving up. They're fast and remind me somewhat of landsharks with their speed. They're way softer feeling though. I had to switch back to my bones stf though since it took way too much work to get them to slide. I didn't have any problems with the bones anyways just wanted to give rictas a try. Overall they weren't too bad but if you like sliding don't bother.
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Ricta Rapido, felt slow and soft to me. No way they were at the level of landsharks (man those cored 101s were the shit); also that whole rapido line had the worst shapes and size combos out, plus the slime was nowhere near slim except compared to the rest of the line.
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I actually liked the shape of the slim a lot. It just took a ton of work to get them to slide. I also forgot to mention that I had little chunks coming out of the sides after the first session on them. It didn't affect their performance but made them seem cheap.

I was a nice shape, it just wasn't slim compared to say, Bones V3s, those slim spit classics but slim only when compared to the rest of the rapido line. I usually like Rictas but that run didn't offer up what I wanted. Given how they change the line every 6months, cored, slix, coredslixclearsupertractiongripslidewheels, I'm sure they'll keep trying...Naturals, crystals and Chrome Cores were they best they've ever done.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on July 08, 2019, 08:32:58 AM
Just switched back to my old worn F4's, that are now 45mm. Its terrible, its like the board doesnt get enough leverage to keep up, so I have to move my feet slower.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on July 08, 2019, 08:46:11 AM
update on the  ACID Chem Pods

they're awesome, they roll over everything, they don't bounce around a ton when you pop and they're starting to slide a little bit

i'm gonna buy some of the Skaterade ones for my other cruiser which look like more of a classic/radial shape
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nosneb on July 08, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
I really want to try those Fat Bundts wheels. Currently riding the Hitek 45mm wheels they are sick but only thing I dont like about tiny skinny wheels is that you feel like you are on tracks sometimes.
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Post by: BMCsteve on July 08, 2019, 07:29:39 PM
I really want to try those Fat Bundts wheels. Currently riding the Hitek 45mm wheels they are sick but only thing I dont like about tiny skinny wheels is that you feel like you are on tracks sometimes.

you might like these.  the riding surface is a little bigger than 54mm Spit classic shape.  can't wait until I can really skate them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: brownjenkin on July 08, 2019, 08:46:57 PM
Recently bought a set of 99du 52 mm Spitfire F4 Radial Slims. I've pretty much only skated 99du 52-54 mm Classics for as long as I can remember. Gonna wear these old wheels down for another few weeks before setting up the new ones.

I wanted to try something different and was drawn to the thinner shape and relatively wider riding surface.

Anybody care to share their experiences when making this switch?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 08, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Recently bought a set of 99du 52 mm Spitfire F4 Radial Slims. I've pretty much only skated 99du 52-54 mm Classics for as long as I can remember. Gonna wear these old wheels down for another few weeks before setting up the new ones.

I wanted to try something different and was drawn to the thinner shape and relatively wider riding surface.

Anybody care to share their experiences when making this switch?
I really want to skate the radials
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 08, 2019, 11:50:42 PM
Recently bought a set of 99du 52 mm Spitfire F4 Radial Slims. I've pretty much only skated 99du 52-54 mm Classics for as long as I can remember. Gonna wear these old wheels down for another few weeks before setting up the new ones.

I wanted to try something different and was drawn to the thinner shape and relatively wider riding surface.

Anybody care to share their experiences when making this switch?

I've always rode classics but a year or two ago I decided to make a second setup for shitty spots as to not destroy boards so quick. I wanted something that was similar to a classic with a bit more riding surface and many people here said the radials felt like pre-worn down classics. After having ridden them for a while, I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 10, 2019, 01:28:26 PM
Looks like bones is doing natural colours for those who don't like it too white,...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 10, 2019, 05:29:31 PM
Looks like bones is doing natural colours for those who don't like it too white,...

Looks like they ditched the 'dirty birds' monicker for 'naturals' this drop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 13, 2019, 08:44:19 PM
Anyone try the new Spitfire Hard chargers 80a? They now have a plastic core and I think they are using a new formula and I was curious how they hold up.

I just got some Bones rough riders to hit some of the crustier spots around me and big chunks came out of them on the first day (though otherwise they were fantastic), so I figured I would see if the new Spitfires are any better than the old hard chargers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on July 14, 2019, 12:53:23 AM
Anyone try the new Spitfire Hard chargers 80a? They now have a plastic core and I think they are using a new formula and I was curious how they hold up.

I just got some Bones rough riders to hit some of the crustier spots around me and big chunks came out of them on the first day (though otherwise they were fantastic), so I figured I would see if the new Spitfires are any better than the old hard chargers

The 80HD Chargers? Or have they come up with some other similarly named wheel? The 80HDs are the slowest wheels I've ever skated. Slow on crusty stuff, slow on smooth stuff. Useless. Get OJ Keyframes instead if you want smooth wheels. Those are amazing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 14, 2019, 02:31:44 AM
Anyone try the new Spitfire Hard chargers 80a? They now have a plastic core and I think they are using a new formula and I was curious how they hold up.

I just got some Bones rough riders to hit some of the crustier spots around me and big chunks came out of them on the first day (though otherwise they were fantastic), so I figured I would see if the new Spitfires are any better than the old hard chargers

They've been cored for a while now. I bought a set in 2017 that were cored. And as Roisto said, slow as fuck. I'd also add they feel about as hard as 92a when actually riding, not a good thing for a cruiser wheel. Slow, gummy, and not forgiving on cracks, stones, etc. For pure cruising Rough Riders slay (bummer about yours chunking out). I'll second the Oj Keyframes, smooth ride plus you can still ollie without it feeling like a Buick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on July 14, 2019, 03:51:55 AM
has anyone skated these? could build a cruiser with a set of softer wheels, but i don't want to go too fluffy.

(https://media.titus.de/media/image/e1/a9/cf/oj-wheels-rollen-ninety-twos-92a-orange-vorderansicht-0134285_600x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 14, 2019, 06:39:58 AM
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Anyone try the new Spitfire Hard chargers 80a? They now have a plastic core and I think they are using a new formula and I was curious how they hold up.

I just got some Bones rough riders to hit some of the crustier spots around me and big chunks came out of them on the first day (though otherwise they were fantastic), so I figured I would see if the new Spitfires are any better than the old hard chargers
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They've been cored for a while now. I bought a set in 2017 that were cored. And as Roisto said, slow as fuck. I'd also add they feel about as hard as 92a when actually riding, not a good thing for a cruiser wheel. Slow, gummy, and not forgiving on cracks, stones, etc. For pure cruising Rough Riders slay (bummer about yours chunking out). I'll second the Oj Keyframes, smooth ride plus you can still ollie without it feeling like a Buick.

Gotcha, I had three sets of the Hard chargers in 2017/8 which didn’t have cores but maybe I got old ones or something. Sucks that the cored ones aren’t any better!

Yeah, the Rough riders are fantastic aside from the chunking. I rode some G-slides for a while that were awesome and didn’t chunk at all, but couldn’t handle some of the rougher spots the same way the Rough riders do.

Cool, I’ll check out some key frames. I was thinking about trying the Super juice minis too, as they are 78a (iirc) and are supposed to be chip/flake resistant, or at least more so than other wheels of the same duro
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 14, 2019, 06:41:40 AM
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Anyone try the new Spitfire Hard chargers 80a? They now have a plastic core and I think they are using a new formula and I was curious how they hold up.

I just got some Bones rough riders to hit some of the crustier spots around me and big chunks came out of them on the first day (though otherwise they were fantastic), so I figured I would see if the new Spitfires are any better than the old hard chargers
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The 80HD Chargers? Or have they come up with some other similarly named wheel? The 80HDs are the slowest wheels I've ever skated. Slow on crusty stuff, slow on smooth stuff. Useless. Get OJ Keyframes instead if you want smooth wheels. Those are amazing.

Yeah, I think those are the same. Bummer they suck so bad, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 14, 2019, 08:02:40 AM
Should I rotate my wheels? One is like 48mm while the rest are like 50 or 49mm and I want them all the look equal, any advice?
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Post by: SHIREFLIP on July 14, 2019, 08:25:15 AM
Should I rotate my wheels? One is like 48mm while the rest are like 50 or 49mm and I want them all the look equal, any advice?

Yeah, front left to back right, front right back left, etc. I believe it helps, but it may not. If one of your wheels is significantly different from the others, get a new set, though.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on July 14, 2019, 08:45:33 AM
has anyone skated these? could build a cruiser with a set of softer wheels, but i don't want to go too fluffy.

(https://media.titus.de/media/image/e1/a9/cf/oj-wheels-rollen-ninety-twos-92a-orange-vorderansicht-0134285_600x600.jpg)

I had a set of the 92a ditch witches in 56mm. IMO they're not worth it...very slow, poor slide, and my 99 F4s honestly perform better on the same shitty spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 14, 2019, 10:37:39 AM
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Should I rotate my wheels? One is like 48mm while the rest are like 50 or 49mm and I want them all the look equal, any advice?
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Yeah, front left to back right, front right back left, etc. I believe it helps, but it may not. If one of your wheels is significantly different from the others, get a new set, though.
they feel really slow because of how small they’ve gotten might skate some 56’s next
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Post by: Frank on July 14, 2019, 10:41:26 AM
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has anyone skated these? could build a cruiser with a set of softer wheels, but i don't want to go too fluffy.

(https://media.titus.de/media/image/e1/a9/cf/oj-wheels-rollen-ninety-twos-92a-orange-vorderansicht-0134285_600x600.jpg)
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I had a set of the 92a ditch witches in 56mm. IMO they're not worth it...very slow, poor slide, and my 99 F4s honestly perform better on the same shitty spots.

thanks for your honest opinion
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on July 14, 2019, 12:07:46 PM
Yeah I find those low 90s durometers are too much compromise and don’t really work for anything.

Go at least mid 80s if you want a nice cruiser or softie
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 14, 2019, 01:46:02 PM
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Anyone try the new Spitfire Hard chargers 80a? They now have a plastic core and I think they are using a new formula and I was curious how they hold up.

I just got some Bones rough riders to hit some of the crustier spots around me and big chunks came out of them on the first day (though otherwise they were fantastic), so I figured I would see if the new Spitfires are any better than the old hard chargers
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They've been cored for a while now. I bought a set in 2017 that were cored. And as Roisto said, slow as fuck. I'd also add they feel about as hard as 92a when actually riding, not a good thing for a cruiser wheel. Slow, gummy, and not forgiving on cracks, stones, etc. For pure cruising Rough Riders slay (bummer about yours chunking out). I'll second the Oj Keyframes, smooth ride plus you can still ollie without it feeling like a Buick.
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Gotcha, I had three sets of the Hard chargers in 2017/8 which didn’t have cores but maybe I got old ones or something. Sucks that the cored ones aren’t any better!

Yeah, the Rough riders are fantastic aside from the chunking. I rode some G-slides for a while that were awesome and didn’t chunk at all, but couldn’t handle some of the rougher spots the same way the Rough riders do.

Cool, I’ll check out some key frames. I was thinking about trying the Super juice minis too, as they are 78a (iirc) and are supposed to be chip/flake resistant, or at least more so than other wheels of the same duro

Curious, how'd the Rough Riders chunk out? Bones is usually good with returns, might be able to snag a replacement set if they're new-ish. Could have been a fluke.

A buddy had the Super Juice Mini's, they felt pretty similar to the Rough Riders when you're on the board, I prefer the shape of the RR's but that's just taste.

Keyframe's are definitely not as smooth as the 78/80d wheels, but they're smooth enough, plus with the standard conical shape and smaller sizes you can pretty much mimic the feel of a normal setup without your pop going to shit. I find myself grabbing my normal size 8.5 with 54mm keyframes for cruising over my big board with the Rough Riders 9 times out of 10, cuts out the weird adjustment period, for me anyway. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 14, 2019, 02:01:27 PM
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Anyone try the new Spitfire Hard chargers 80a? They now have a plastic core and I think they are using a new formula and I was curious how they hold up.

I just got some Bones rough riders to hit some of the crustier spots around me and big chunks came out of them on the first day (though otherwise they were fantastic), so I figured I would see if the new Spitfires are any better than the old hard chargers
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They've been cored for a while now. I bought a set in 2017 that were cored. And as Roisto said, slow as fuck. I'd also add they feel about as hard as 92a when actually riding, not a good thing for a cruiser wheel. Slow, gummy, and not forgiving on cracks, stones, etc. For pure cruising Rough Riders slay (bummer about yours chunking out). I'll second the Oj Keyframes, smooth ride plus you can still ollie without it feeling like a Buick.
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Gotcha, I had three sets of the Hard chargers in 2017/8 which didn’t have cores but maybe I got old ones or something. Sucks that the cored ones aren’t any better!

Yeah, the Rough riders are fantastic aside from the chunking. I rode some G-slides for a while that were awesome and didn’t chunk at all, but couldn’t handle some of the rougher spots the same way the Rough riders do.

Cool, I’ll check out some key frames. I was thinking about trying the Super juice minis too, as they are 78a (iirc) and are supposed to be chip/flake resistant, or at least more so than other wheels of the same duro
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Curious, how'd the Rough Riders chunk out? Bones is usually good with returns, might be able to snag a replacement set if they're new-ish. Could have been a fluke.

A buddy had the Super Juice Mini's, they felt pretty similar to the Rough Riders when you're on the board, I prefer the shape of the RR's but that's just taste.

Keyframe's are definitely not as smooth as the 78/80d wheels, but they're smooth enough, plus they with the standard conical shape and smaller sizes you can pretty much mimic the feel of a normal setup without your pop going to shit. I find myself grabbing my normal size 8.5 with 54mm keyframes for cruising over my big board with the Rough Riders 9 times out of 10, cuts out the weird adjustment period, for me anyway.

Well, basically half inch thick and about one inch long chunks have come out of the edges of three of the wheels so far and I’ve only had them for three days. I’ve just been riding on rough blacktop and concrete but not trying to slide them or anything. Doing mostly ollies, grinds and boardslides, so nothing that would normally chunk wheels like that. I’ve seen a bunch of complaints online about people having similar problems with RR’s.

I ordered from amazon (old gift card) so I’ll just send them back for a refund but I’m thinking I’ll probably try those Super juice minis next as they are supposed to be resistant to flaking like that. I would just get another set of G-slides, which don’t flake at all, but the 80a/78a wheels feel a lot better on some of the places I’m trying to skate.

The only thing I’m hesitant about is the Super juice minis being significantly wider than the Rough riders. I like the RR shape also and am not sure I’ll like the width of the SJ mini
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 14, 2019, 02:50:37 PM

Well, basically half inch thick and about one inch long chunks have come out of the edges of three of the wheels so far and I’ve only had them for three days. I’ve just been riding on rough blacktop and concrete but not trying to slide them or anything. Doing mostly ollies, grinds and boardslides, so nothing that would normally chunk wheels like that. I’ve seen a bunch of complaints online about people having similar problems with RR’s.

I ordered from amazon (old gift card) so I’ll just send them back for a refund but I’m thinking I’ll probably try those Super juice minis next as they are supposed to be resistant to flaking like that. I would just get another set of G-slides, which don’t flake at all, but the 80a/78a wheels feel a lot better on some of the places I’m trying to skate.

The only thing I’m hesitant about is the Super juice minis being significantly wider than the Rough riders. I like the RR shape also and am not sure I’ll like the width of the SJ mini

Bummer. I remember seeing some complaints a few years back but haven't really followed up. Guess I'm lucky mine have held tough for the last year and a half.

I don't remember the mini juices being any wider (I have the 59mm Rough Riders). Tactics lists the mini juices as 43mm wide and the RR's as 44mm (the 56mm RR's as 39mm).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 14, 2019, 04:14:48 PM
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Well, basically half inch thick and about one inch long chunks have come out of the edges of three of the wheels so far and I’ve only had them for three days. I’ve just been riding on rough blacktop and concrete but not trying to slide them or anything. Doing mostly ollies, grinds and boardslides, so nothing that would normally chunk wheels like that. I’ve seen a bunch of complaints online about people having similar problems with RR’s.

I ordered from amazon (old gift card) so I’ll just send them back for a refund but I’m thinking I’ll probably try those Super juice minis next as they are supposed to be resistant to flaking like that. I would just get another set of G-slides, which don’t flake at all, but the 80a/78a wheels feel a lot better on some of the places I’m trying to skate.

The only thing I’m hesitant about is the Super juice minis being significantly wider than the Rough riders. I like the RR shape also and am not sure I’ll like the width of the SJ mini
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Bummer. I remember seeing some complaints a few years back but haven't really followed up. Guess I'm lucky mine have held tough for the last year and a half.

I don't remember the mini juices being any wider (I have the 59mm Rough Riders). Tactics lists the mini juices as 43mm wide and the RR's as 44mm (the 56mm RR's as 39mm).

Interesting! Do you ride your RR’s on rough streets a lot?

Yeah, I’m riding the 56mm RR’s and would try the 55mm Mini Super juices, so I don’t know if I would like the jump from 39-43 wide, but I might just be over thinking it lol
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Post by: backinaction on July 14, 2019, 06:10:45 PM
Looks like Mini Logo is coming out with some 95s. Pic on their facebook shows a 56mm A-Cut 95a
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Post by: palelight on July 14, 2019, 06:21:00 PM

Interesting! Do you ride your RR’s on rough streets a lot?

Yeah, I’m riding the 56mm RR’s and would try the 55mm Mini Super juices, so I don’t know if I would like the jump from 39-44 wide, but I might just be over thinking it lol

I do. I'm in Canada so the roads are quite shit from snow and plows and whatever else. That said, the setup I have the RR's on is pretty strictly a cruiser - ollies and an occasional slappy so the wheels don't see much other than forward momentum.

Worth a shot. Finding the perfect cruiser wheel is, I think, the biggest pain in the ass, so it's worth casting a big net and trying out what you can.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 14, 2019, 06:55:06 PM
Looks like Mini Logo is coming out with some 95s. Pic on their facebook shows a 56mm A-Cut 95a

Nice, I like their 90a wheel but hate their 101a’s. Would be cool to see if the 95a is any good
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 14, 2019, 07:06:14 PM
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Interesting! Do you ride your RR’s on rough streets a lot?

Yeah, I’m riding the 56mm RR’s and would try the 55mm Mini Super juices, so I don’t know if I would like the jump from 39-44 wide, but I might just be over thinking it lol
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I do. I'm in Canada so the roads are quite shit from snow and plows and whatever else. That said, the setup I have the RR's on is pretty strictly a cruiser - ollies and an occasional slappy so the wheels don't see much other than forward momentum.

Worth a shot. Finding the perfect cruiser wheel is, I think, the biggest pain in the ass, so it's worth casting a big net and trying out what you can.

Gotcha, thats awesome yours held up for so long!

Haha, for real. I’ve been trying different ones for years and there’s always something I don’t quite like. The closest to perfect has been the G-slides and RR’s so far, chipping aside. Ricta clouds were actually pretty solid too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 14, 2019, 08:22:37 PM

Gotcha, thats awesome yours held up for so long!

Haha, for real. I’ve been trying different ones for years and there’s always something I don’t quite like. The closest to perfect has been the G-slides and RR’s so far, chipping aside. Ricta clouds were actually pretty solid too

G-Slide formula in a normal wheel shape/width would be the ultimate crusty spot wheel. Hopefully one day they make something like that. They started making the RR's in a normal shape in smaller sizes called Mini-DV's, haven't seen them in the wild though,
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-atf-mini-dv-s-skateboard-wheels-54mm-80a-4pk

If you liked Clouds, the Keyframes are basically the same thing with a better cruiser shape, both being NHS and all that. I dug the 86a clouds as well, but the classic donut shape was weird for a cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 14, 2019, 08:36:09 PM
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Gotcha, thats awesome yours held up for so long!

Haha, for real. I’ve been trying different ones for years and there’s always something I don’t quite like. The closest to perfect has been the G-slides and RR’s so far, chipping aside. Ricta clouds were actually pretty solid too
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G-Slide formula in a normal wheel shape/width would be the ultimate crusty spot wheel. Hopefully one day they make something like that. They started making the RR's in a normal shape in smaller sizes called Mini-DV's, haven't seen them in the wild though,
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-atf-mini-dv-s-skateboard-wheels-54mm-80a-4pk

If you liked Clouds, the Keyframes are basically the same thing with a better cruiser shape, both being NHS and all that. I dug the 86a clouds as well, but the classic donut shape was weird for a cruiser wheel.

Definitely, that would be awesome. Like some of the Spitfire shapes with G-Slide formula.

The mini dv’s look interesting for sure, I was thinking about trying some of those for when I go back to riding smaller set ups.

Agreed about the donut shape. I’ve had 4 sets of the 78a and one of the 86a in the Rictas and the shape is why I’m laying off those for a bit. The 60mm ones have a more square shape, like the RR/Gslides, which I like better for a cruiser wheel for sure. The formula always felt awesome though and while they do get minor chips, they are actually really durable for 78a wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on July 14, 2019, 08:38:00 PM
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has anyone skated these? could build a cruiser with a set of softer wheels, but i don't want to go too fluffy.

(https://media.titus.de/media/image/e1/a9/cf/oj-wheels-rollen-ninety-twos-92a-orange-vorderansicht-0134285_600x600.jpg)
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I had a set of the 92a ditch witches in 56mm. IMO they're not worth it...very slow, poor slide, and my 99 F4s honestly perform better on the same shitty spots.
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thanks for your honest opinion
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-spf-eighty-ones-54x31-p5-skateboard-wheels-81b-4pk despite these saying they are equivalent to 101 a they have a bit softer feel and ride than f4's or any other bones. quiet on masonite and grippy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 14, 2019, 11:11:55 PM
Yeah the 81 b parks are good wheels....the fact they are a bit gummier makes them feel more forgiving.  I'd consider the easy streets too but neither of these wheels will ever give you that feel like an ATF or clouds give you when you ride rough asphalt. 

I really liked the ditchtech wheels and they discontinued them some time ago.  I wrote a letter and GP sent me a proto of what would come to be the easy street.  Mine are much softer though like a 90.  Performs well though....put em on my zip zinger. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 2thick on July 15, 2019, 10:42:01 PM
maybe a dumb question but are f4 tablets meant to be skated with the graphics on the outside of the wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on July 16, 2019, 12:08:41 AM
maybe a dumb question but are f4 tablets meant to be skated with the graphics on the outside of the wheels?

Pretty sure they are symmetrical so it doesn't matter either way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 16, 2019, 09:19:02 AM
I see kids skating the lock-in’s graphic in, kinda contradicting the whole point of a lock in
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on July 16, 2019, 09:22:43 AM
I see kids skating the lock-in’s graphic in, kinda contradicting the whole point of a lock in

Everyone around me does this, I even know a few people with one graphic out. I don't know how it doesn't bother then, it would shit me to tears.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yewwman on July 16, 2019, 01:29:43 PM
Had a quick mini sesh with 56mm OJ mini combos. Felt really good, bit more grippier than same size 101 conical fulls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: troy on July 16, 2019, 01:59:30 PM
has anyone ever tried wheels from here https://www.nfgmfg.com/
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Post by: Xen on July 16, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
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I see kids skating the lock-in’s graphic in, kinda contradicting the whole point of a lock in
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Everyone around me does this, I even know a few people with one graphic out. I don't know how it doesn't bother then, it would shit me to tears.

Fucking histerical...dude graphics in or you're lame! But...but these are lockins...DUDE GRAPHICS IN...😂
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: plasticsurgerydisasters on July 16, 2019, 09:59:54 PM
anyone know where I can get a set of the spitfire kader 58mm radials (not zumiez)?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on July 17, 2019, 04:18:37 AM
I think I remember that when lock ins came out as f1 street burners, people said that they were supposed to be graphics in, the conical side of the wheel was for locking in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: arrbee on July 17, 2019, 05:03:35 AM
has anyone ever tried wheels from here https://www.nfgmfg.com/

Kinda pricey my local usually has F4's for less than $35. These are $40 and $42 before adding shipping. So probably looking close to $50 for a set. Could be worth it, could be shit, I'll never take that risk to find out when F4's treat me just fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on July 17, 2019, 09:45:13 AM
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has anyone ever tried wheels from here https://www.nfgmfg.com/
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Kinda pricey my local usually has F4's for less than $35. These are $40 and $42 before adding shipping. So probably looking close to $50 for a set. Could be worth it, could be shit, I'll never take that risk to find out when F4's treat me just fine.
the guy behind that is the same guy who came up with the f4. It’s the same company as loophole.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 17, 2019, 11:31:48 AM
I sold my 101a crupies and when back to bones STF.

do any smaller brands have a similar wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on July 19, 2019, 07:35:41 AM
I'm rolling on acid!
I have the pods on my big cruiser and just put these on my small cruiser replacing some hot juice.
56mm 86a duro and real nice shape.. super thin ride compared and way faster, but still have deep carve control with the mid range duro

(http://i.imgur.com/biyhvNi.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/vy3ZPWR.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Arto Saari on July 19, 2019, 07:44:11 AM
I'm rolling on acid!
I have the pods on my big cruiser and just put these on my small cruiser replacing some hot juice.
56mm 86a duro and real nice shape.. super thin ride compared and way faster, but still have deep carve control with the mid range duro

(http://i.imgur.com/biyhvNi.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/vy3ZPWR.jpg?1)
These look like Toys 'r Us wheels. I want them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on July 19, 2019, 04:32:00 PM
I really like everything I've been seeing from Acid, gonna have to get a set of those Pods or Skaterades I think. 56mm 86A sounds like it would be the perfect thing for a couple rough spots near me that I've been eyeing, and to read that the Pods break in to be slideable is also nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on July 19, 2019, 08:57:23 PM
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Gotcha, thats awesome yours held up for so long!

Haha, for real. I’ve been trying different ones for years and there’s always something I don’t quite like. The closest to perfect has been the G-slides and RR’s so far, chipping aside. Ricta clouds were actually pretty solid too
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G-Slide formula in a normal wheel shape/width would be the ultimate crusty spot wheel. Hopefully one day they make something like that. They started making the RR's in a normal shape in smaller sizes called Mini-DV's, haven't seen them in the wild though,
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-atf-mini-dv-s-skateboard-wheels-54mm-80a-4pk

If you liked Clouds, the Keyframes are basically the same thing with a better cruiser shape, both being NHS and all that. I dug the 86a clouds as well, but the classic donut shape was weird for a cruiser wheel.
 
   The thing about the g slide tho is the oversized core.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 20, 2019, 06:51:47 AM
Anyone ever try Landshark sidecuts? I got 2 of them in a lot of random shit I bought on ebay and the shape looks nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on July 20, 2019, 08:11:34 AM
Anyone ever try Landshark sidecuts? I got 2 of them in a lot of random shit I bought on ebay and the shape looks nice.

I've tested them skating mostly rough/kinda rough streets. For that purpose they are to hard (teeth rattling) and has a weird slide. Hard to break loose into a slide but icy when they do, then they kind of grab at the end of the slide.
Planing on testing them out in a brand new concrete park next week. Hopefully they will perform better in that environment
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 20, 2019, 08:16:37 AM
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Well, basically half inch thick and about one inch long chunks have come out of the edges of three of the wheels so far and I’ve only had them for three days. I’ve just been riding on rough blacktop and concrete but not trying to slide them or anything. Doing mostly ollies, grinds and boardslides, so nothing that would normally chunk wheels like that. I’ve seen a bunch of complaints online about people having similar problems with RR’s.

I ordered from amazon (old gift card) so I’ll just send them back for a refund but I’m thinking I’ll probably try those Super juice minis next as they are supposed to be resistant to flaking like that. I would just get another set of G-slides, which don’t flake at all, but the 80a/78a wheels feel a lot better on some of the places I’m trying to skate.

The only thing I’m hesitant about is the Super juice minis being significantly wider than the Rough riders. I like the RR shape also and am not sure I’ll like the width of the SJ mini
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Bummer. I remember seeing some complaints a few years back but haven't really followed up. Guess I'm lucky mine have held tough for the last year and a half.

I don't remember the mini juices being any wider (I have the 59mm Rough Riders). Tactics lists the mini juices as 43mm wide and the RR's as 44mm (the 56mm RR's as 39mm).

So I ended up sending the RR’s back and getting some Super juice minis. So far they are perfect! I have used them on the same spots that destroyed my Rough riders and they are pretty much unscathed. No chipping, dents, etc...and they ride over pretty much everything. The only real differences I’ve noticed is that the 55mm Super juices are slightly wider, slightly bouncier and slightly grippier than the 56mm Rough riders.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 20, 2019, 05:58:44 PM

So I ended up sending the RR’s back and getting some Super juice minis. So far they are perfect! I have used them on the same spots that destroyed my Rough riders and they are pretty much unscathed. No chipping, dents, etc...and they ride over pretty much everything. The only real differences I’ve noticed is that the 55mm Super juices are slightly wider, slightly bouncier and slightly grippier than the 56mm Rough riders.

Good to hear. I'll keep them in mind when my RR's bite the dust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 24, 2019, 03:27:11 PM
Sorry to bump but I would like to know what you guys think, so I live in a area with sorta rough ground, I want to get bigger wheels so I can roll a little better, what size, shape and duro should I get? I’ll be riding spitfires I need some advice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on July 24, 2019, 06:24:49 PM
Sorry to bump but I would like to know what you guys think, so I live in a area with sorta rough ground, I want to get bigger wheels so I can roll a little better, what size, shape and duro should I get? I’ll be riding spitfires I need some advice.

there’s 66 pages of wheel talk right here for you to browse. look at the cruiser thread as well. that’s the best advice I can give you, cus in the end, it’s a matter of personal opinion on the wheelfeel. I like my 55/86 acid pods and my 53/90 mini logos—wouldn’t go harder than those. Heard great things about key frames too, but haven’t tried them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 24, 2019, 06:46:24 PM
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Sorry to bump but I would like to know what you guys think, so I live in a area with sorta rough ground, I want to get bigger wheels so I can roll a little better, what size, shape and duro should I get? I’ll be riding spitfires I need some advice.
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there’s 66 pages of wheel talk right here for you to browse. look at the cruiser thread as well. that’s the best advice I can give you, cus in the end, it’s a matter of personal opinion on the wheelfeel. I like my 55/86 acid pods and my 53/90 mini logos—wouldn’t go harder than those. Heard great things about key frames too, but haven’t tried them.
im thinking about getting 99’s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 24, 2019, 11:52:20 PM
Sorry to bump but I would like to know what you guys think, so I live in a area with sorta rough ground, I want to get bigger wheels so I can roll a little better, what size, shape and duro should I get? I’ll be riding spitfires I need some advice.

It's all personal taste. If you want 99d's then the only things that are going to contribute to a smoother ride are a bigger diameter and a wider contact patch. 54mm+ and conical/conical full/radial/lock in style shapes would be a good place to start. Gotta experiment. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on July 25, 2019, 06:49:39 AM
58 conical full f4s have treated me well on rough ground
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on July 25, 2019, 06:50:24 AM
I did a few minutes of cruising around on these things (still can't ollie or do anything else while injured) and they're surprisingly fine.  I really didn't notice a big difference in speed between these and my usual 52mm.  They are hard as hell though

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48176323067_3f78997bef_z.jpg)
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48176322717_0f8d0bf83b_z.jpg)

Ive been looking at a set of these, looks like im pullin the trigger
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 25, 2019, 07:02:06 AM
58 conical full f4s have treated me well on rough ground
I used to skate those but I went al the way down to 53. I was thinking 55 so I wouldn’t  have to go to big
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 25, 2019, 07:41:33 AM
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I used to skate those but I went al the way down to 53. I was thinking 55 so I wouldn’t  have to go to big

Ricta clouds are great soft wheels for the smaller sizes since the shape isn’t as different from normal street wheels as some of the other cruiser wheels. The 78a ones are very smooth and handle rough ground well. The 86a ones are still fairly smooth but also lock up on some ledge tricks a bit less. I haven’t tried the 92a wheels but pretty much every wheel I have tried between 92a-97a doesn’t really smooth out rough ground significantly more than 99a wheels, but you lose the sliding ability of 99a wheels.

The mini logo 90a wheels are also good, but feel softer than 90a and have a lot of bounce, which some folks don’t like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 25, 2019, 07:58:19 AM
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58 conical full f4s have treated me well on rough ground
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I used to skate those but I went al the way down to 53. I was thinking 55 so I wouldn’t  have to go to big
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Ricta clouds are great soft wheels for the smaller sizes since the shape isn’t as different from normal street wheels as some of the other cruiser wheels. The 78a ones are very smooth and handle rough ground well. The 86a ones are still fairly smooth but also lock up on some ledge tricks a bit less. I haven’t tried the 92a wheels but pretty much every wheel I have tried between 92a-97a doesn’t really smooth out rough ground significantly more than 99a wheels, but you lose the sliding ability of 99a wheels.

The mini logo 90a wheels are also good, but feel softer than 90a and have a lot of bounce, which some folks don’t like.
ok maybe I was a bit dramatic, the streets aren’t to rough. So maybe 101 or 99 would be find
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Chaos Acoustic on July 25, 2019, 08:19:09 AM
54 mm OG classic sounds like your wheel. The original formula is a little smoother/ bouncier than the F4. Wider contact patch on that wheel should smooth things out a bit. If you can find a set of the Mike Anderson Spitfires then you’re really in business.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on July 25, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
get some 99s

all the pros ride 99s, can't go wrong
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 25, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
I was thinking of getting some f4 99 54 classics
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 25, 2019, 10:27:43 AM
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I used to skate those but I went al the way down to 53. I was thinking 55 so I wouldn’t  have to go to big
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Ricta clouds are great soft wheels for the smaller sizes since the shape isn’t as different from normal street wheels as some of the other cruiser wheels. The 78a ones are very smooth and handle rough ground well. The 86a ones are still fairly smooth but also lock up on some ledge tricks a bit less. I haven’t tried the 92a wheels but pretty much every wheel I have tried between 92a-97a doesn’t really smooth out rough ground significantly more than 99a wheels, but you lose the sliding ability of 99a wheels.

The mini logo 90a wheels are also good, but feel softer than 90a and have a lot of bounce, which some folks don’t like.
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ok maybe I was a bit dramatic, the streets aren’t to rough. So maybe 101 or 99 would be find

I gotcha, so I would go with either Bones easy streets or Spitfire formula 4 in 99a. The easy streets are slightly more smooth feeling on rough streets, though its not a huge difference. They slide slightly quieter too.

A wider contact patch will make it feel smoother too. I’ve used the Easy street fatties as well as the Formula 4 conical wides and they both feel good on semi rough streets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on July 25, 2019, 06:30:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/94nxI27.jpg)

Anyone have any experience with these? My shop just got them in and i’m extremely curious. Been wanting to try a slightly softer wheel, plus they’re double the width of my 54mm Conical Fulls... they look insanely fun. I want them for my 9” setup
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on July 25, 2019, 06:36:57 PM
Anyone have any experience with these? My shop just got them in and i’m extremely curious. Been wanting to try a slightly softer wheel, plus they’re double the width of my 54mm Conical Fulls... they look insanely fun. I want them for my 9” setup

Not firsthand, but the shape (and duro) look exactly like Slimeballs, which is what he usually rides since he's stepped up to giant wheels. I had the slimeball minis for a second, not much difference between 97a and 99a durometer. They're definitely not a soft wheel.
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Post by: weon on July 25, 2019, 08:03:14 PM
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Anyone have any experience with these? My shop just got them in and i’m extremely curious. Been wanting to try a slightly softer wheel, plus they’re double the width of my 54mm Conical Fulls... they look insanely fun. I want them for my 9” setup
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Not firsthand, but the shape (and duro) look exactly like Slimeballs, which is what he usually rides since he's stepped up to giant wheels. I had the slimeball minis for a second, not much difference between 97a and 99a durometer. They're definitely not a soft wheel.

I second this. Had the 60/97 vomits and they did not feel significantly softer than a 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on July 26, 2019, 08:23:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/94nxI27.jpg)

Anyone have any experience with these? My shop just got them in and i’m extremely curious. Been wanting to try a slightly softer wheel, plus they’re double the width of my 54mm Conical Fulls... they look insanely fun. I want them for my 9” setup

These the funniest reference to the videos of him feeding his dogs ive seen yet lmao.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 26, 2019, 09:24:15 AM

ok maybe I was a bit dramatic, the streets aren’t to rough. So maybe 101 or 99 would be find


101's are always going to be a relatively harsh ride on even slightly rough ground. The F4 99a is definitely the best all-purpose wheel I've found but even they can get tiring if you're skating long distances. If you're driving or only skating a little ways to get to the spot then they're definitely the best way to go, but if you have your heart set on Spitfires then consider the 80HD chargers for transportation and rougher spots. Mini-logo makes a 90a hybrid that's a good balance of speed and comfort, but they feel softer than 90a and don't really slide until they're really broken in.

Size-wise I think 55-57mm is kind of a sweet spot for rougher terrain, you don't have to worry about hanging up on a crack or rock as much but it's still nimble enough to not be a huge burden for more technical skating. F4 99a 55mm is pretty much the most versatile wheel I've ever had.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PandaCult_901 on July 26, 2019, 01:35:01 PM
Has anyone skated Rictas recently? Maybe I'm feeling the nostalgia bug, but I really want to ride a pair of cores again. Problem is the only pair they make are Nyjah's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 26, 2019, 06:22:57 PM
Has anyone skated Rictas recently? Maybe I'm feeling the nostalgia bug, but I really want to ride a pair of cores again. Problem is the only pair they make are Nyjah's.

I've got a pair of the 55mm Sparx 101a that came free with a set of trucks. They're better than $5 amazon wheels but I'm not really a fan. Some folks really like them though, so to each their own.

I think the Clouds have a small core if you're ok with a softer wheel or you can get  these ones on ebay  (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Skateboard-Wheels-Ricta-Core-Skateboard-Wheels-54-MM-All-Stars-Used/153566708490?hash=item23c14a030a:g:H3gAAOSwYlNdK5eM)

https://www.strange-house.net/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_153 Has some too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SkinSideDown on July 26, 2019, 06:47:08 PM
Why even bother with any other wheels. Spitfire F4 and let it burn. Besides a crusier wheel you shouldn't fuck with anythang else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on July 26, 2019, 11:28:51 PM
Why even bother with any other wheels. Spitfire F4 and let it burn. Besides a crusier wheel you shouldn't fuck with anythang else.

Have to chime in here because SML v-cuts are just as good. Not as readily available, but here in AUS they are through hyperion/passport dist. and those guys are fantastic to deal with.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pauline_handsome on July 26, 2019, 11:33:03 PM
Has anyone skated Rictas recently? Maybe I'm feeling the nostalgia bug, but I really want to ride a pair of cores again. Problem is the only pair they make are Nyjah's.

I tried them as someone gave them to me. They suck and got super chunky (literally chunks fell off). I'm a 5'5 female politician so i do not risk my body by doing daredevil-ish stunts on wooden toys but by golly they are terrible.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: A.A on July 27, 2019, 03:07:12 AM
Why even bother with any other wheels. Spitfire F4 and let it burn. Besides a crusier wheel you shouldn't fuck with anythang else.

1-8 for lyfe bro. Fuck the system. Indys or nuthing too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 27, 2019, 10:27:29 AM
Has anyone skated Rictas recently? Maybe I'm feeling the nostalgia bug, but I really want to ride a pair of cores again. Problem is the only pair they make are Nyjah's.

Only the 'Rapido' line (meh).

I'm a huge fan of the Chrome cores but yeah, they only make the gold Nyjah ones or, they are just ancient stock because no one buys his shit?
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Post by: Reese on July 27, 2019, 07:41:53 PM
Scratch the logos/letters

Cores were nice, supercrystals to
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 27, 2019, 08:28:06 PM
Ricta speed rings are great! I imagine they’re the same as the chrome cores... just not chrome. Hard and fast. Ricta naturals weren’t bad either.
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Post by: Xen on July 27, 2019, 08:47:49 PM
Ricta speed rings are great! I imagine they’re the same as the chrome cores... just not chrome. Hard and fast. Ricta naturals weren’t bad either.

The Speed Rings were great, but hit or miss with flat spots.

Crystals were really good, a bit on the softer/slower side but held up really well.

The Chrome Cores were HARD, the cores were hard ass plastic, and they were pretty chalky. The speed rings were much more forgiving (and seemingly last longer on the NRG shit...unless placebo).

Been tempted to try some gumballs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: a on July 28, 2019, 10:52:28 AM
Should I replace my wheels? I've been riding some spitfire f4 for around three years now and they have worn down to about 43mm from 52mm, should I buy a new set or keep riding them until they are cored?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on July 28, 2019, 12:22:45 PM
Should I replace my wheels? I've been riding some spitfire f4 for around three years now and they have worn down to about 43mm from 52mm, should I buy a new set or keep riding them until they are cored?
new set
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on July 29, 2019, 07:45:10 AM
Should I replace my wheels? I've been riding some spitfire f4 for around three years now and they have worn down to about 43mm from 52mm, should I buy a new set or keep riding them until they are cored?

Email a photo of these please!

[email protected]

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Post by: A.A on July 29, 2019, 09:46:09 AM
Yes!! Post em up here toooooo
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Post by: Etchasketch on July 29, 2019, 07:45:48 PM
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Well, basically half inch thick and about one inch long chunks have come out of the edges of three of the wheels so far and I’ve only had them for three days. I’ve just been riding on rough blacktop and concrete but not trying to slide them or anything. Doing mostly ollies, grinds and boardslides, so nothing that would normally chunk wheels like that. I’ve seen a bunch of complaints online about people having similar problems with RR’s.

I ordered from amazon (old gift card) so I’ll just send them back for a refund but I’m thinking I’ll probably try those Super juice minis next as they are supposed to be resistant to flaking like that. I would just get another set of G-slides, which don’t flake at all, but the 80a/78a wheels feel a lot better on some of the places I’m trying to skate.

The only thing I’m hesitant about is the Super juice minis being significantly wider than the Rough riders. I like the RR shape also and am not sure I’ll like the width of the SJ mini
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Bummer. I remember seeing some complaints a few years back but haven't really followed up. Guess I'm lucky mine have held tough for the last year and a half.

I don't remember the mini juices being any wider (I have the 59mm Rough Riders). Tactics lists the mini juices as 43mm wide and the RR's as 44mm (the 56mm RR's as 39mm).
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So I ended up sending the RR’s back and getting some Super juice minis. So far they are perfect! I have used them on the same spots that destroyed my Rough riders and they are pretty much unscathed. No chipping, dents, etc...and they ride over pretty much everything. The only real differences I’ve noticed is that the 55mm Super juices are slightly wider, slightly bouncier and slightly grippier than the 56mm Rough riders.

How are they holding up so far? I'm starting to think this new formula is bullshit.

(But yeah they still ride really nice)
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 30, 2019, 04:17:29 AM
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Well, basically half inch thick and about one inch long chunks have come out of the edges of three of the wheels so far and I’ve only had them for three days. I’ve just been riding on rough blacktop and concrete but not trying to slide them or anything. Doing mostly ollies, grinds and boardslides, so nothing that would normally chunk wheels like that. I’ve seen a bunch of complaints online about people having similar problems with RR’s.

I ordered from amazon (old gift card) so I’ll just send them back for a refund but I’m thinking I’ll probably try those Super juice minis next as they are supposed to be resistant to flaking like that. I would just get another set of G-slides, which don’t flake at all, but the 80a/78a wheels feel a lot better on some of the places I’m trying to skate.

The only thing I’m hesitant about is the Super juice minis being significantly wider than the Rough riders. I like the RR shape also and am not sure I’ll like the width of the SJ mini
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Bummer. I remember seeing some complaints a few years back but haven't really followed up. Guess I'm lucky mine have held tough for the last year and a half.

I don't remember the mini juices being any wider (I have the 59mm Rough Riders). Tactics lists the mini juices as 43mm wide and the RR's as 44mm (the 56mm RR's as 39mm).
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So I ended up sending the RR’s back and getting some Super juice minis. So far they are perfect! I have used them on the same spots that destroyed my Rough riders and they are pretty much unscathed. No chipping, dents, etc...and they ride over pretty much everything. The only real differences I’ve noticed is that the 55mm Super juices are slightly wider, slightly bouncier and slightly grippier than the 56mm Rough riders.
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How are they holding up so far? I'm starting to think this new formula is bullshit.

(But yeah they still ride really nice)

So far they are in great condition. They are holding up to rough terrain, jagged concrete, patches of gravel, etc...really well. I got a pebble stuck in one wheel, but I pried it out and while it did make a small crack in the wheel, it’s a shallow one and doesn’t look like its going to flake. There are a few other smaller cracks in the other wheels, but they are barely noticeable and they don’t effect the ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on July 30, 2019, 05:07:40 AM
Should I replace my wheels? I've been riding some spitfire f4 for around three years now and they have worn down to about 43mm from 52mm, should I buy a new set or keep riding them until they are cored?

lmao i change my f4s every year (i always get 99a 54mm conical fulls) and i have a set that's ~40mm, i don't understand how you guys make them last so long
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: a on July 30, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
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Should I replace my wheels? I've been riding some spitfire f4 for around three years now and they have worn down to about 43mm from 52mm, should I buy a new set or keep riding them until they are cored?
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lmao i change my f4s every year (i always get 99a 54mm conical fulls) and i have a set that's ~40mm, i don't understand how you guys make them last so long
haha how xD, I'm guessing you do loads of power slides
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on July 31, 2019, 09:31:40 AM
to the ones that rode/are riding tablets

how are they?

i am tempted but they seem like they might be super hard to slappy and wear down to completely square edges in no time.
should i rather go with radial slim?
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Post by: Firebert on July 31, 2019, 09:41:38 AM
to the ones that rode/are riding tablets

how are they?

i am tempted but they seem like they might be super hard to slappy and wear down to completely square edges in no time.
should i rather go with radial slim?

I like them for rails and ledges. If you slappy more than grind rails, I'd go with classics or radial slims.
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Post by: Esmith5488 on July 31, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
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to the ones that rode/are riding tablets

how are they?

i am tempted but they seem like they might be super hard to slappy and wear down to completely square edges in no time.
should i rather go with radial slim?
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I like them for rails and ledges. If you slappy more than grind rails, I'd go with classics or radial slims.

Got a pair of tablets coming from 35th ave tomorrow, and I’m coming from a pair of radial slims. Interested to see
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Post by: tzhangdox on July 31, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
to the ones that rode/are riding tablets

how are they?

i am tempted but they seem like they might be super hard to slappy and wear down to completely square edges in no time.
should i rather go with radial slim?

Been skating a set of tablets for a while now, came from the exact same duro/size in radial slims. I would say that the only real advantage that tablets have is that they have a wider contact patch from the start, which is nice if you skate a lot of rougher spots. Once worn down a little bit, I believe they have the same contact patch.

Radial slims already lock in really good, so the extra lock in ability wasn't noticeable at all for me, though if you really struggle on round rails or something it may help a bit. Radial slims also feel a little bit lighter and more nimble to me compared to tablets, but a bit part of that impression be because I went from radial slims worn down to ~50mm up to 54mm tablets. Nonetheless, it seems like tablets are a tiny bit clunkier.

TLDR: They are very similar with some very subtle differences, tablets are better for rougher spots from the start due to wider contact patch, and probably lock in a little better (though you may get more drag on ledges because the edge of the wheel is completely flat). Radial slims feel a little more nimble and light, and are probably a bit easier to slappy on due to the slightly rounded edge. I also think that they look a bit better than the tablets which are a bit unnaturally flat on the side.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatefresh on August 01, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
Anyone else try the boardy cakes 44mm wheels? I'm so tempted to try them with my 5.25 venture lows and pretend it's 1994.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: stets on August 01, 2019, 11:11:28 PM
Anyone else try the boardy cakes 44mm wheels? I'm so tempted to try them with my 5.25 venture lows and pretend it's 1994.

I just bought a set! I'm gonna put them on a Kelch Flyer slick reissue and some 8.5 inch Stage 7 Independents I found on craigslist. Basically going to pretend it's 1992.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: velvethammer on August 02, 2019, 06:57:17 AM
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Well, basically half inch thick and about one inch long chunks have come out of the edges of three of the wheels so far and I’ve only had them for three days. I’ve just been riding on rough blacktop and concrete but not trying to slide them or anything. Doing mostly ollies, grinds and boardslides, so nothing that would normally chunk wheels like that. I’ve seen a bunch of complaints online about people having similar problems with RR’s.

I ordered from amazon (old gift card) so I’ll just send them back for a refund but I’m thinking I’ll probably try those Super juice minis next as they are supposed to be resistant to flaking like that. I would just get another set of G-slides, which don’t flake at all, but the 80a/78a wheels feel a lot better on some of the places I’m trying to skate.

The only thing I’m hesitant about is the Super juice minis being significantly wider than the Rough riders. I like the RR shape also and am not sure I’ll like the width of the SJ mini
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Bummer. I remember seeing some complaints a few years back but haven't really followed up. Guess I'm lucky mine have held tough for the last year and a half.

I don't remember the mini juices being any wider (I have the 59mm Rough Riders). Tactics lists the mini juices as 43mm wide and the RR's as 44mm (the 56mm RR's as 39mm).
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So I ended up sending the RR’s back and getting some Super juice minis. So far they are perfect! I have used them on the same spots that destroyed my Rough riders and they are pretty much unscathed. No chipping, dents, etc...and they ride over pretty much everything. The only real differences I’ve noticed is that the 55mm Super juices are slightly wider, slightly bouncier and slightly grippier than the 56mm Rough riders.
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How are they holding up so far? I'm starting to think this new formula is bullshit.

(But yeah they still ride really nice)
I have a set of the Super Juice 60mm. After about an hour of riding around and doing some slappys huge chucks were missing from the inner lip (i was running them with the logo out). I turned all the wheels around with the logo on the inside and the are doing a little better now, but if you ride them like the cruising video you will tear them to shit in no time. I would love to see the wheels after they shot those vids. Doing grinds and general dorking around are what gives me my skate boner, so back to hard wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: oldbummer on August 02, 2019, 10:33:51 AM
I have a set of Powell Mini Cubics that are 95A.  They are basically as smooth and quiet as any cruiser wheels I have (Bones ATF, Mini Juice, Spitfire) plus they grip better.  I have a steep driveway and just carving around on that is enough that the other wheels are on the verge of slipping out and the surface is tearing but the 95s are secure.

So I don't think you need to go way to to cruiser wheel softness to get what you want.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 02, 2019, 12:02:59 PM
I have a set of Powell Mini Cubics that are 95A.  They are basically as smooth and quiet as any cruiser wheels I have (Bones ATF, Mini Juice, Spitfire) plus they grip better.  I have a steep driveway and just carving around on that is enough that the other wheels are on the verge of slipping out and the surface is tearing but the 95s are secure.

So I don't think you need to go way to to cruiser wheel softness to get what you want.

For sure, I think for most normal surfaces I haven't really felt a huge difference from 90 or sometimes 95a to 78a, but I’ve definitely noticed a difference on super crusty busted up streets and other surfaces. 78a performs a lot better on those imo, but the downside is it is hard to find a 78a wheel that can survive those same surfaces without chipping apart.

What size deck are you riding those mini cubics on? I was thinking about trying those or the 90a Rat bones, but they look super wide (moreso than the 55mm super juices, which is as wide as I am comfortable on right now)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: oldbummer on August 02, 2019, 09:08:48 PM
well they are just sitting in a drawer right now.  don't have a cruiser set up at the momment.  the cubics are pretty heavy because they are so huge and you need a lot of riser. 

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 03, 2019, 02:33:07 AM
Should I replace my wheels? I've been riding some spitfire f4 for around three years now and they have worn down to about 43mm from 52mm, should I buy a new set or keep riding them until they are cored?

one set, three years, 9mm drop? did you skate once a week?
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Post by: chappers on August 03, 2019, 03:18:08 AM
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one set, three years, 9mm drop? did you skate once a week?

im lucky if i get to skate once a week
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 04, 2019, 03:47:41 AM
Been skating OJ/Creature bloodsuckers for the past few days. 56mm/97a and I'm really starting to like them. They remind me of F4s in terms of comfort and speed, but definitely don't slide as well. That could improve as they break in but the slide sound is kind of lower pitch which makes me think theyre never going to be outstanding for power slides like spits, but then again very few wheels are.

Overall these are really great wheels though. For old dudes like me who want a street wheel that won't rattle your dentures out but still be fast and hard they're great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 05, 2019, 04:00:28 PM
I must say, OJ videos do a great job of making me want to skate their wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5JXQWo1Oc
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on August 05, 2019, 05:14:12 PM
I must say, OJ videos do a great job of making me want to skate their wheels

They do, and then I try doing a front shuv or 180 on my deck with keyframes and almost die.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on August 05, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
I must say, OJ videos do a great job of making me want to skate their wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5JXQWo1Oc

The OJ Cruisin' videos are some of my favorites. I'm pretty partial to the Boserio one and the Kevin Braun one is pretty sick too. I love those super juice wheels for legit cruising, but it's amazing what people can do on them.

I also gotta say, people talk a lot of shit on the insane-a-thanes, but I am really enjoying the set I'm on right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bony bawk on August 05, 2019, 09:53:38 PM
have had my f4s since 2013 went from 52mm to 39mm
might be time for a change soon
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on August 06, 2019, 01:10:13 AM
have had my f4s since 2013 went from 52mm to 39mm
might be time for a change soon

Respect. Were they classics?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on August 16, 2019, 11:18:35 AM
have had my f4s since 2013 went from 52mm to 39mm
might be time for a change soon


This is fucking great haha
(https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82118.0;attach=18128;image)

Also I just got some keyframes for my cruiser. Stoked to check them out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 16, 2019, 06:11:47 PM
Can anyone fully speak for oj elites? Skated a set for a bit. Can’t really remember much about them other than they felt slippery and grippy at the same time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on August 17, 2019, 12:25:41 AM
Can anyone fully speak for oj elites? Skated a set for a bit. Can’t really remember much about them other than they felt slippery and grippy at the same time

I too would also like to know if I’m missing out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 17, 2019, 06:08:10 AM
Just here to say I like my Dial Tones. Skating the round cut at the moment, but I'm keen to try some regular ones along with the conicals. Whoever said they're in between PFCs and F4s nailed it.
I had some, the only thing I hated was the treads. I had a hard time sliding with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 19, 2019, 06:50:34 AM
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Just here to say I like my Dial Tones. Skating the round cut at the moment, but I'm keen to try some regular ones along with the conicals. Whoever said they're in between PFCs and F4s nailed it.
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I had some, the only thing I hated was the treads. I had a hard time sliding with them.
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Which shape and were they 99 or 101? I just ordered some 99 conicals, 99 round and 101 standard cuts. I don't know if I prefer 99 or 101 anymore and even though I like a more straight/square I feel like trying all their shapes. The Jahmal wheels I'm skating right now slide okay for 99s.
99, I tried my hardest to slide them but they just stuck. I eventually slipped out and chewed my hand up. I gave them away to a kid. They were the Ben gore conicals. Wanted something for slate parks and they didn’t feel very good any where.
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Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 21, 2019, 04:14:10 AM
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Just here to say I like my Dial Tones. Skating the round cut at the moment, but I'm keen to try some regular ones along with the conicals. Whoever said they're in between PFCs and F4s nailed it.
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I had some, the only thing I hated was the treads. I had a hard time sliding with them.
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Which shape and were they 99 or 101? I just ordered some 99 conicals, 99 round and 101 standard cuts. I don't know if I prefer 99 or 101 anymore and even though I like a more straight/square I feel like trying all their shapes. The Jahmal wheels I'm skating right now slide okay for 99s.
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99, I tried my hardest to slide them but they just stuck. I eventually slipped out and chewed my hand up. I gave them away to a kid. They were the Ben gore conicals. Wanted something for slate parks and they didn’t feel very good any where.
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Damn, they're the exact ones I bought (was considering the 101 conicals). They didn't even feel good on rough ground?
I don’t really remember how they felt on rough ground. They rolled over anything and rolled fine they just didn’t slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Giza Butler on August 21, 2019, 08:32:48 AM
Today I lost a fair big chunk of my OJ Super Juice.



Has this ever happened to someone?
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 21, 2019, 09:30:29 AM
Today I lost a fair big chunk of my OJ Super Juice.



Has this ever happened to someone?

That happened to my Bones Rough riders on the first day. After about three days three out of four wheels had huge chunks missing from riding on super rough ground.

The Oj Super juices I got after that have not chunked at all on me, but after a month or two of regular use on super rough ground I’ve got a crack that might lead to a chunk in the next few months, though it’s still holding together pretty tight.

I rode some of the smaller Ricta clouds for a few years which never chunked at all, but I wasn’t riding ground nearly as rough on those so I can’t really compare those.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on August 21, 2019, 09:54:39 AM
I'm having a hell of a time deciding between keyframes and mini super juice.

I just keep bouncing back and forth - thoughts?
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 21, 2019, 10:21:37 AM
I'm having a hell of a time deciding between keyframes and mini super juice.

I just keep bouncing back and forth - thoughts?

I love the mini super juice because they are wider and softer than other wheels like the keyframes and have held up relatively well for me (aside from the one crack, but at this point I think pretty much any super soft wheel is going to crack a little when they are that wide).

MSJ are super fast, roll over anything you could reasonably expect to roll over and aren’t suuuper bouncy like some of the non cored soft wheels I’ve tried.

I did have one set of keyframes I rode for like a week a couple years ago, but Zi honestly don’t remember much about them aside from them feeling harder than I would have expected.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 21, 2019, 10:30:09 AM
I have keyframes on my other cruiser and bones atf’s on other, I found myself more often on those atf’s than keyframes...I live in Finland though and flatground is rough as fuck here, when I was in Spain last march those keyframes felt like my softer wheels b/c that flatground is so nice there so...depends where you live and what type of terrain you’d be cruisin’ thru.
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Post by: Seadramon on August 21, 2019, 11:00:43 AM
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I'm having a hell of a time deciding between keyframes and mini super juice.

I just keep bouncing back and forth - thoughts?
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I love the mini super juice because they are wider and softer than other wheels like the keyframes and have held up relatively well for me (aside from the one crack, but at this point I think pretty much any super soft wheel is going to crack a little when they are that wide).

MSJ are super fast, roll over anything you could reasonably expect to roll over and aren’t suuuper bouncy like some of the non cored soft wheels I’ve tried.

I did have one set of keyframes I rode for like a week a couple years ago, but Zi honestly don’t remember much about them aside from them feeling harder than I would have expected.

This is very helpful, thanks!
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Post by: Seadramon on August 21, 2019, 11:02:24 AM
I have keyframes on my other cruiser and bones atf’s on other, I found myself more often on those atf’s than keyframes...I live in Finland though and flatground is rough as fuck here, when I was in Spain last march those keyframes felt like my softer wheels b/c that flatground is so nice there so...depends where you live and what type of terrain you’d be cruisin’ thru.

Very good food for thought. I'm in Canada and there are plenty of shitty roads and shortcuts I like to ride on.
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 21, 2019, 11:08:30 AM
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I'm having a hell of a time deciding between keyframes and mini super juice.

I just keep bouncing back and forth - thoughts?
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I love the mini super juice because they are wider and softer than other wheels like the keyframes and have held up relatively well for me (aside from the one crack, but at this point I think pretty much any super soft wheel is going to crack a little when they are that wide).

MSJ are super fast, roll over anything you could reasonably expect to roll over and aren’t suuuper bouncy like some of the non cored soft wheels I’ve tried.

I did have one set of keyframes I rode for like a week a couple years ago, but Zi honestly don’t remember much about them aside from them feeling harder than I would have expected.
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This is very helpful, thanks!

My pleasure!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yewwman on August 21, 2019, 11:15:28 AM
Can anyone fully speak for oj elites? Skated a set for a bit. Can’t really remember much about them other than they felt slippery and grippy at the same time
Found some 56 mm 101a elite mini combos for a discount prize about a month ago.
-more grip than same size/duro conical fulls, really nice on new concrete parks, on ledges and street skating in general i prefer F4
-they cone out and wear down faster than F4, no flatspots for me yet though
-elites feel fast, idk is it really faster than f4 or does the narrower contact patch make it feel like that but i felt like flying through the park.
They feel like between Stf and f4 so i still prefer spitfires but ive been enjoying them. Plus the videos they put on youtube are the best lol
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Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 21, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
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Can anyone fully speak for oj elites? Skated a set for a bit. Can’t really remember much about them other than they felt slippery and grippy at the same time
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Found some 56 mm 101a elite mini combos for a discount prize about a month ago.
-more grip than same size/duro conical fulls, really nice on new concrete parks, on ledges and street skating in general i prefer F4
-they cone out and wear down faster than F4, no flatspots for me yet though
-elites feel fast, idk is it really faster than f4 or does the narrower contact patch make it feel like that but i felt like flying through the park.
They feel like between Stf and f4 so i still prefer spitfires but ive been enjoying them. Plus the videos they put on youtube are the best lol
eh decided to just get a new set of conicals
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Post by: Coolhats on August 21, 2019, 04:46:43 PM
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Just here to say I like my Dial Tones. Skating the round cut at the moment, but I'm keen to try some regular ones along with the conicals. Whoever said they're in between PFCs and F4s nailed it.
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I had some, the only thing I hated was the treads. I had a hard time sliding with them.
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Which shape and were they 99 or 101? I just ordered some 99 conicals, 99 round and 101 standard cuts. I don't know if I prefer 99 or 101 anymore and even though I like a more straight/square I feel like trying all their shapes. The Jahmal wheels I'm skating right now slide okay for 99s.
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99, I tried my hardest to slide them but they just stuck. I eventually slipped out and chewed my hand up. I gave them away to a kid. They were the Ben gore conicals. Wanted something for slate parks and they didn’t feel very good any where.
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Damn, they're the exact ones I bought (was considering the 101 conicals). They didn't even feel good on rough ground?
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I don’t really remember how they felt on rough ground. They rolled over anything and rolled fine they just didn’t slide.

The set I had was pretty rough the first day. Stuck on some power slides and stuff but after the first session or two they broke in fine. I was nervous at first but ended up really liking them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 21, 2019, 06:31:39 PM
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Just here to say I like my Dial Tones. Skating the round cut at the moment, but I'm keen to try some regular ones along with the conicals. Whoever said they're in between PFCs and F4s nailed it.
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I had some, the only thing I hated was the treads. I had a hard time sliding with them.
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Which shape and were they 99 or 101? I just ordered some 99 conicals, 99 round and 101 standard cuts. I don't know if I prefer 99 or 101 anymore and even though I like a more straight/square I feel like trying all their shapes. The Jahmal wheels I'm skating right now slide okay for 99s.
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99, I tried my hardest to slide them but they just stuck. I eventually slipped out and chewed my hand up. I gave them away to a kid. They were the Ben gore conicals. Wanted something for slate parks and they didn’t feel very good any where.
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Damn, they're the exact ones I bought (was considering the 101 conicals). They didn't even feel good on rough ground?
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I don’t really remember how they felt on rough ground. They rolled over anything and rolled fine they just didn’t slide.
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The set I had was pretty rough the first day. Stuck on some power slides and stuff but after the first session or two they broke in fine. I was nervous at first but ended up really liking them.
damn I kinda regret it. I’ve always just skated spitfires because I’m from Santa Cruz and moved to SF when I was young and switched off between. So that whole area is what I call “Spitfire Country”. I’ll have to get some.
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Post by: Sativa Lung on August 24, 2019, 04:06:04 AM
I just got a pair of Orbs specter 56mm 99a. I've only skated them for about an hour so far so this is just first impressions really.

The Orbs have a nice wide contact patch but a more rounded, traditional shape which I like. The urethane seems to be really high quality and while I prefer flat surfaced wheels I haven't run into any issues with hanging up on powerslides like grooved wheels sometimes do when they aren't broken in. They feel really nice on rough stuff but aren't overly soft or bouncy. Speed is good, a little slow on the first few pushes but once you get going they hold it well and honestly the acceleration thing could be because I just cleaned and lubed my Swiss last night. I haven't really had a proper session or taken them to the park yet but just messing around with flat ground and a few banks on the way to work I had no issues and the size and shape makes me think they'd be really good in a bowl.

Overall I'm stoked on these things. Coming from almost exclusively skating spitfire (54mm F4 conical full and 55mm classic) for the last month I was expecting a let down but these have really impressed me. I think I'm going to get some more orbs in the future.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ThugWaffle on August 24, 2019, 09:29:09 AM
are sml wheels any good or should i stick to f4's?
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Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 24, 2019, 10:37:32 AM
are sml wheels any good or should i stick to f4's?
been thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nooky on August 24, 2019, 10:44:06 AM
I love skating my 97A 61MM OJs. They're the team rider version or whatever. They're slick enough to slide and I can push down the street with the quickness without feeling like my nuts are going to fall off. They don't bounce like a soft wheel either. They've worn down to 58mm-ish at this point and steam-roll over everything. I don't skate ledges though, so you might have an issue there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 24, 2019, 11:10:59 AM
I love skating my 97A 61MM OJs. They're the team rider version or whatever. They're slick enough to slide and I can push down the street with the quickness without feeling like my nuts are going to fall off. They don't bounce like a soft wheel either. They've worn down to 58mm-ish at this point and steam-roll over everything. I don't skate ledges though, so you might have an issue there.

Nice, I have some of the 61mm Winkowski 97a wheels that I throw on my bigger set ups sometimes. For the limited ledge trucks I can do (grinds, crookeds, nose/tail slides) they work fine. I imagine for more technical ledge folks they might be a bit hard to maneuver around.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 24, 2019, 12:46:27 PM
OJ's 97a formula is a little weird to me. I don't know exactly how to describe it, but the bloodsuckers I got felt kind of hard and like plastic at first but then as I skated them more they became more rubbery but not necessarily softer if that makes any sense. I don't know if there's like a coating that wears off or what, I just remember when I took them out of the package I thought they felt like cheap wheels but after I skated them for a few days I really started to like them. I was riding them in an area with a lot of overhanging trees and even at 56mm I was just mashing over sticks and acorns and shit and it felt really cool 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: anon on August 24, 2019, 01:08:08 PM
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been thinking the same thing.
I had two sets of 99a SML wheels -- one V-Cut, another OG Wide. They felt too hard and slow, and didn't slide as well as F4s.
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 24, 2019, 04:39:44 PM
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I had two sets of 99a SML wheels -- one V-Cut, another OG Wide. They felt too hard and slow, and didn't slide as well as F4s.

Don't they have a higher end formula that competes with F4?
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Post by: anon on August 24, 2019, 08:21:08 PM
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Don't they have a higher end formula that competes with F4?
All I'm aware of is the "AG" formula.
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 24, 2019, 08:30:03 PM
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Don't they have a higher end formula that competes with F4?
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All I'm aware of is the "AG" formula.
I think that's the one. I'm not sure who pushed them on here but, they said that they weren't so bad
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Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 24, 2019, 09:09:10 PM
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Don't they have a higher end formula that competes with F4?
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All I'm aware of is the "AG" formula.
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I think that's the one. I'm not sure who pushed them on here but, they said that they weren't so bad
I heard the AGs were just a price point wheel
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Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 25, 2019, 07:15:31 AM
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I had two sets of 99a SML wheels -- one V-Cut, another OG Wide. They felt too hard and slow, and didn't slide as well as F4s.
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Don't they have a higher end formula that competes with F4?
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All I'm aware of is the "AG" formula.
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I think that's the one. I'm not sure who pushed them on here but, they said that they weren't so bad
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I heard the AGs were just a price point wheel
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They have two different formulas and the AG is definitely the one I prefer out of the two. They use both for all sorts of wheels (team and pro) so I doubt they're price point.

Sml could do with the support. Cliff says he makes no money from it. It's all my local shop has been stocking, so I will start skating them. I like the minimal graphic series they do.
one day I’ll give them a shot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on August 25, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
I have the Aaron Herrington wide 53's. They're basically a conical full. Honestly I don't notice a huge difference when broken in. I would try any of the shapes again.
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Post by: cliff on August 27, 2019, 01:06:01 PM
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I had two sets of 99a SML wheels -- one V-Cut, another OG Wide. They felt too hard and slow, and didn't slide as well as F4s.
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Don't they have a higher end formula that competes with F4?
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All I'm aware of is the "AG" formula.
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I think that's the one. I'm not sure who pushed them on here but, they said that they weren't so bad
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I heard the AGs were just a price point wheel
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They have two different formulas and the AG is definitely the one I prefer out of the two. They use both for all sorts of wheels (team and pro) so I doubt they're price point.

Sml could do with the support. Cliff says he makes no money from it. It's all my local shop has been stocking, so I will start skating them. I like the minimal graphic series they do.

Thanks for the love!

We have 2 formulas the AG and the OG

AG - are more like spitfire classic. Less rebound so they do slide a bit easier. They can also flat spot easier than the OG's but we rarely get complaints about that. They're not price points. We get them from Creative who has been doing wheels forever.

OG's - These are a little more high end. Closer to a Bones STF or Spit F4's. They have a higher rebound so people think it's harder to power slide. I love these wheels! They slide just fine and are super hard to flat spot. We get them made at Aend. Who made the Darkstar wheels before they became a board brand. Super high quality.

Any feed back is welcome! Hopefully if you pick some up you will like them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nectar on August 28, 2019, 12:51:36 AM
yellow fat freeze had such a bad ass ride home i threw my keanus on.... just orderd sum shop brand 64 x40z @ 86a
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Post by: BMCsteve on August 28, 2019, 09:10:18 AM
yellow fat freeze had such a bad ass ride home i threw my keanus on.... just orderd sum shop brand 64 x40z @ 86a

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 28, 2019, 09:34:32 AM
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yellow fat freeze had such a bad ass ride home i threw my keanus on.... just orderd sum shop brand 64 x40z @ 86a
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on August 28, 2019, 03:46:55 PM
W2c 64mm keanus 😍
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 29, 2019, 04:40:25 PM
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has anyone skated these? could build a cruiser with a set of softer wheels, but i don't want to go too fluffy.

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I had a set of the 92a ditch witches in 56mm. IMO they're not worth it...very slow, poor slide, and my 99 F4s honestly perform better on the same shitty spots.

Posted this a while ago and want to walk it back.

Gave these another try because the 60mm I bought felt a little too tall and they're the only thing I have that isn't worn to sub-50. They don't slide very well but they do slide, they weren't slow, and they felt really nice on the shitty pavement I usually skate. I'm kind of into them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on August 31, 2019, 09:15:59 PM
Just got done radials slim 101 53mm
Was a lucky find since I wanted to support a friend who works at the shop at it was just the exact wheel I wanted to try
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 01, 2019, 11:57:40 AM
Opinions about Bones STF’s vs Easy streets? Anyone one tried both?
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Post by: FROTHY on September 04, 2019, 08:05:38 AM
80hd Chargers are bogus. Barely rode these. Anybody got a Spitfire contact for me?
(https://i.ibb.co/vhnvdrm/IMG-20190903-174537.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on September 04, 2019, 09:09:39 AM
Opinions about Bones STF’s vs Easy streets? Anyone one tried both?

STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets

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Post by: os89 on September 04, 2019, 01:13:06 PM
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STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets

This is a pretty spot on ranking, and STFs for sure feel the weirdest and hardest of the bunch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yapple dapple on September 04, 2019, 06:39:46 PM
80hd Chargers are bogus. Barely rode these. Anybody got a Spitfire contact for me?
(https://i.ibb.co/vhnvdrm/IMG-20190903-174537.jpg)
Send Reed an email with a pic. [email protected]
DLX has the best customer service.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on September 05, 2019, 09:43:37 AM
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STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets
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This is a pretty spot on ranking, and STFs for sure feel the weirdest and hardest of the bunch.

To me stf start feeling better after a good bit of break in and even though they feel super hard and slide well, i have the least surprise wipeouts.

my f4s seemed to get harder to slide purposefully and easier when i want them to stick, like fast downhill turns.

somehow stf feel more consistent at different speeds than f4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on September 05, 2019, 06:25:25 PM
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80hd Chargers are bogus. Barely rode these. Anybody got a Spitfire contact for me?
(https://i.ibb.co/vhnvdrm/IMG-20190903-174537.jpg)
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Send Reed an email with a pic. [email protected]
DLX has the best customer service.
Thanks so much sweetie
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on September 05, 2019, 06:37:47 PM
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STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets
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This is a pretty spot on ranking, and STFs for sure feel the weirdest and hardest of the bunch.
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To me stf start feeling better after a good bit of break in and even though they feel super hard and slide well, i have the least surprise wipeouts.

my f4s seemed to get harder to slide purposefully and easier when i want them to stick, like fast downhill turns.

somehow stf feel more consistent at different speeds than f4s

I have Bones stf easy streets 52mm and they do exactly what I want them to do and I’ve never had problems with them. They seem to ride faster like they are a bigger wheel on rough street. I like spitfire classics but after giving these a shot I’m pleasantly surprised. Also slightly into the idea of my bearings and wheels being made by same company.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on September 05, 2019, 06:47:19 PM
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has anyone skated these? could build a cruiser with a set of softer wheels, but i don't want to go too fluffy.

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I had a set of the 92a ditch witches in 56mm. IMO they're not worth it...very slow, poor slide, and my 99 F4s honestly perform better on the same shitty spots.
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Posted this a while ago and want to walk it back.

Gave these another try because the 60mm I bought felt a little too tall and they're the only thing I have that isn't worn to sub-50. They don't slide very well but they do slide, they weren't slow, and they felt really nice on the shitty pavement I usually skate. I'm kind of into them.

I’m into the ditch witch, I keep them on a set up and rode them as my main wheels for over a year, but I have found them to be slow and too sticky sometimes. Feel great really broken in, I feel like I can get higher up on walls when doing wallrides. I like Keyframes those will pull up a wall too and are durable enough for regular street skating
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nectar on September 05, 2019, 09:46:06 PM
65mm x 36mm 83A clears @ green ... picked em up n belize... foolz wanted me 2 stick around n wax g string bikinis w traditional 2 piece bikini tan lines but of course i called bs on dat 1...
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Post by: Reese on September 05, 2019, 10:02:06 PM
We need the bear to decipher this text, it could be important
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Post by: Diocletian on September 06, 2019, 02:14:43 AM
Tried Speedlab’s for the first time recently and they’re really good. Super fast, loud chirp on the powerslide, and it’s a very controllable slide like F4’s. Bad part was I got tossed on a weird mess up when I went to slappy. Bearing seized, but I just kept skating. Got home to swap it with a backup and no bearing would go in this wheel no matter how hard I tried. Tested all the other wheels and they popped out and in perfectly.

So, not sure what the hell happened but someone from Speedlab is sending me just one wheel, which I found kinda odd, but at least they fulfill their warranty policy. 
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Post by: LordManHammer on September 06, 2019, 07:55:29 AM
80hd Chargers are bogus. Barely rode these. Anybody got a Spitfire contact for me?
(https://i.ibb.co/vhnvdrm/IMG-20190903-174537.jpg)
How the fuck did that happen? that is seriously fucked beyond belief.
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Post by: FROTHY on September 06, 2019, 10:13:12 AM
I'm guessing a slappie caused it. That's the back wheel on my toe side.
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Post by: nectar on September 06, 2019, 10:31:16 PM
62 x 25 ? @ 83a purrrply orang skiff slashiez buchachazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: JB77 on September 10, 2019, 09:48:24 AM
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has anyone skated these? could build a cruiser with a set of softer wheels, but i don't want to go too fluffy.

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I had a set of the 92a ditch witches in 56mm. IMO they're not worth it...very slow, poor slide, and my 99 F4s honestly perform better on the same shitty spots.
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Posted this a while ago and want to walk it back.

Gave these another try because the 60mm I bought felt a little too tall and they're the only thing I have that isn't worn to sub-50. They don't slide very well but they do slide, they weren't slow, and they felt really nice on the shitty pavement I usually skate. I'm kind of into them.
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I’m into the ditch witch, I keep them on a set up and rode them as my main wheels for over a year, but I have found them to be slow and too sticky sometimes. Feel great really broken in, I feel like I can get higher up on walls when doing wallrides. I like Keyframes those will pull up a wall too and are durable enough for regular street skating

Just to throw my two cents in... I had a set of these a few years ago and didn't like them.  They felt harder than 92a, to me.  But, more than that, I just thought they had a cheap, plastic-y feel to them.  Your mileage may vary, but I didn't care for them. 
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Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 10, 2019, 10:56:30 AM
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How the fuck did that happen? that is seriously fucked beyond belief.

i took a chunk out of some rictas doing a full cab down a fucking 3 stair

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on September 10, 2019, 10:46:26 PM
DLX offered me another pair of 80HD Chargers or some F4s and I basically said any f4 you have!

They were really cool. I hope people don’t take advantage of the customer service. They probably only step in when there is a real issue anyway.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 11, 2019, 02:52:22 AM
shame the same can't be said for NHS, tried to contact them about a bearing seating/play issue I had with a set of OJ's that was pretty fucked and got no response  ;D
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Post by: Arto Saari on September 11, 2019, 11:01:20 AM
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STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets
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This is a pretty spot on ranking, and STFs for sure feel the weirdest and hardest of the bunch.
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To me stf start feeling better after a good bit of break in and even though they feel super hard and slide well, i have the least surprise wipeouts.

my f4s seemed to get harder to slide purposefully and easier when i want them to stick, like fast downhill turns.

somehow stf feel more consistent at different speeds than f4s
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I have Bones stf easy streets 52mm and they do exactly what I want them to do and I’ve never had problems with them. They seem to ride faster like they are a bigger wheel on rough street. I like spitfire classics but after giving these a shot I’m pleasantly surprised. Also slightly into the idea of my bearings and wheels being made by same company.
Been riding STF for about 10 years, Picked up a pair of Easy's recently and I'm very pleased with them. Exactly what I want from a skate wheel. Fast and forgiving with a well balanced slip to grip ratio. I definitely felt a difference from the STFs immediately. Rough surfaces actually feel smoother. I cant remember who, but some were saying that they dont 'bark' when you power slide, but they definitely do. They sound and skate just like STFs, but better. One of the best wheels on the market imo. Probably the only wheel I will ride as long as they exist.. but I'm definately biased, I've never tried f4s or anything else since I've gotten more serious about my setup.
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Post by: Xen on September 12, 2019, 09:05:31 AM
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STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets
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This is a pretty spot on ranking, and STFs for sure feel the weirdest and hardest of the bunch.
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To me stf start feeling better after a good bit of break in and even though they feel super hard and slide well, i have the least surprise wipeouts.

my f4s seemed to get harder to slide purposefully and easier when i want them to stick, like fast downhill turns.

somehow stf feel more consistent at different speeds than f4s
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I have Bones stf easy streets 52mm and they do exactly what I want them to do and I’ve never had problems with them. They seem to ride faster like they are a bigger wheel on rough street. I like spitfire classics but after giving these a shot I’m pleasantly surprised. Also slightly into the idea of my bearings and wheels being made by same company.
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Been riding STF for about 10 years, Picked up a pair of Easy's recently and I'm very pleased with them. Exactly what I want from a skate wheel. Fast and forgiving with a well balanced slip to grip ratio. I definitely felt a difference from the STFs immediately. Rough surfaces actually feel smoother. I cant remember who, but some were saying that they dont 'bark' when you power slide, but they definitely do. They sound and skate just like STFs, but better. One of the best wheels on the market imo. Probably the only wheel I will ride as long as they exist.. but I'm definately biased, I've never tried f4s or anything else since I've gotten more serious about my setup.
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STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets
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This is a pretty spot on ranking, and STFs for sure feel the weirdest and hardest of the bunch.
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To me stf start feeling better after a good bit of break in and even though they feel super hard and slide well, i have the least surprise wipeouts.

my f4s seemed to get harder to slide purposefully and easier when i want them to stick, like fast downhill turns.

somehow stf feel more consistent at different speeds than f4s
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I have Bones stf easy streets 52mm and they do exactly what I want them to do and I’ve never had problems with them. They seem to ride faster like they are a bigger wheel on rough street. I like spitfire classics but after giving these a shot I’m pleasantly surprised. Also slightly into the idea of my bearings and wheels being made by same company.
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Been riding STF for about 10 years, Picked up a pair of Easy's recently and I'm very pleased with them. Exactly what I want from a skate wheel. Fast and forgiving with a well balanced slip to grip ratio. I definitely felt a difference from the STFs immediately. Rough surfaces actually feel smoother. I cant remember who, but some were saying that they dont 'bark' when you power slide, but they definitely do. They sound and skate just like STFs, but better. One of the best wheels on the market imo. Probably the only wheel I will ride as long as they exist.. but I'm definately biased, I've never tried f4s or anything else since I've gotten more serious about my setup.
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on September 12, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
STF was the only wheel people skated before f4 came out, they're obviously still a great wheel. I have a set of easy streets waiting to be set up, I'm curious about new stuff. But then I also have multiple sets of f4, a set of crupies, ricta slix, ricta speed bands, regular stf, oj insaneathane 101, wayward 101, gold black gold 102a, sml 101, orbs and currently skating dial tone 101.
I might be a bit too curious about new stuff.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Alotoflizards on September 13, 2019, 09:36:40 AM
Does anybody here know where I can just buy straight up blank natural wheels that are the same quality as brand name? Please let me know..
Thank you
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on September 13, 2019, 07:37:03 PM
Does anybody here know where I can just buy straight up blank natural wheels that are the same quality as brand name? Please let me know..
Thank you

bones blanks too much?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1619/8105/products/Bones-STF-Blanks-53mm-V1-Wheels-1_530x.jpg?v=1531103114)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 14, 2019, 02:52:37 AM
Does anybody here know where I can just buy straight up blank natural wheels that are the same quality as brand name? Please let me know..
Thank you

if you're looking for cheap blanks that skate the same as branded wheels you're probably shit out of luck

if you dont care about the pricing you can get the bones blanks below or literally get any wheel you want, stick it in the sink with some hot soapy water and scrub the graphic off no problem
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: padded_shorts on September 14, 2019, 08:10:39 AM
Anyone tried out the Pig Prime wheels? Are they any better than regular Pigs or is it just a rebranding thing?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on September 14, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
Autobahn is making a come back 🙃

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 14, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
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Opinions about Bones STF’s vs Easy streets? Anyone one tried both?
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STF's always felt too hard and slippery for me.  Easy Streets are just right.  Pretty similar to 99a F4's but a little more grip and a little less slide.

Below would be my ranking in order from hard/slippery to softer/grippier -

STF
101a F4
99a F4
Easy Streets
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This is a pretty spot on ranking, and STFs for sure feel the weirdest and hardest of the bunch.
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To me stf start feeling better after a good bit of break in and even though they feel super hard and slide well, i have the least surprise wipeouts.

my f4s seemed to get harder to slide purposefully and easier when i want them to stick, like fast downhill turns.

somehow stf feel more consistent at different speeds than f4s
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I have Bones stf easy streets 52mm and they do exactly what I want them to do and I’ve never had problems with them. They seem to ride faster like they are a bigger wheel on rough street. I like spitfire classics but after giving these a shot I’m pleasantly surprised. Also slightly into the idea of my bearings and wheels being made by same company.
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Been riding STF for about 10 years, Picked up a pair of Easy's recently and I'm very pleased with them. Exactly what I want from a skate wheel. Fast and forgiving with a well balanced slip to grip ratio. I definitely felt a difference from the STFs immediately. Rough surfaces actually feel smoother. I cant remember who, but some were saying that they dont 'bark' when you power slide, but they definitely do. They sound and skate just like STFs, but better. One of the best wheels on the market imo. Probably the only wheel I will ride as long as they exist.. but I'm definately biased, I've never tried f4s or anything else since I've gotten more serious about my setup.

Shit, forgot to check the replies to my question.
I actually got the set of easy streets because I was curious (and they were on sale). I never had a set of bones, they always felt a bit too plasticky when trying friends setups. But now I’m hyped to try those out! Let’s see how they go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 14, 2019, 06:07:15 PM
Autobahn is making a come back 🙃

I'm excited!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 14, 2019, 11:27:01 PM
Does anybody here know where I can just buy straight up blank natural wheels that are the same quality as brand name? Please let me know..
Thank you

These guys maybe. They do Loophole too.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/contact-skateboard-manufacturer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 15, 2019, 07:10:16 AM
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Does anybody here know where I can just buy straight up blank natural wheels that are the same quality as brand name? Please let me know..
Thank you
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if you're looking for cheap blanks that skate the same as branded wheels you're probably shit out of luck

if you dont care about the pricing you can get the bones blanks below or literally get any wheel you want, stick it in the sink with some hot soapy water and scrub the graphic off no problem

100's are a good option too....classic urethane, cheaper price.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: birdplops on September 15, 2019, 01:32:29 PM
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are sml wheels any good or should i stick to f4's?
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been thinking the same thing.
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I had two sets of 99a SML wheels -- one V-Cut, another OG Wide. They felt too hard and slow, and didn't slide as well as F4s.
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Don't they have a higher end formula that competes with F4?
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All I'm aware of is the "AG" formula.
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I think that's the one. I'm not sure who pushed them on here but, they said that they weren't so bad
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I heard the AGs were just a price point wheel
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They have two different formulas and the AG is definitely the one I prefer out of the two. They use both for all sorts of wheels (team and pro) so I doubt they're price point.

Sml could do with the support. Cliff says he makes no money from it. It's all my local shop has been stocking, so I will start skating them. I like the minimal graphic series they do.
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Thanks for the love!

We have 2 formulas the AG and the OG

AG - are more like spitfire classic. Less rebound so they do slide a bit easier. They can also flat spot easier than the OG's but we rarely get complaints about that. They're not price points. We get them from Creative who has been doing wheels forever.

OG's - These are a little more high end. Closer to a Bones STF or Spit F4's. They have a higher rebound so people think it's harder to power slide. I love these wheels! They slide just fine and are super hard to flat spot. We get them made at Aend. Who made the Darkstar wheels before they became a board brand. Super high quality.

Any feed back is welcome! Hopefully if you pick some up you will like them.

This is super good to know. Just started on some AG V-cuts and I prefer them over Spitfire classics. I would say they're grippier but look like they'll maybe have a tough time staying in one piece on the mean streets of Edinburgh.

I'll buy them again for my next set if I can get >55mm and am keen to try the OGs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on September 16, 2019, 07:22:04 PM
Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on September 16, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.

In my opinion, spitfire has 2 things going for them: F4s are perfect, and the classic formula is good if you know what you’re dealing with.

Do you like your chargers? I was not a fan. Funny how DLX Zip Zinger wheels are great but Spitfire doesn’t seem to want to sell a good cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on September 16, 2019, 07:31:07 PM
Has anyone else had the graphics literally fall off a set of Bones STFs?  I have some STF V1 101s and the graphics are almost completely off already and I haven't even been locking into grinds with them yet.  Graphics are facing in and I did a few 50/50s on a flat round rail and several 5-0s on a ledge (most of the graphics were flaking before the ledge though).  No smiths/feebles with these and the graphics are facing in.  My trucks are brand new as well and I can tell that I've only grinding into the center of them.

I don't really mind because I prefer STF Blanks but my local shop only had 52's in Bufoni's pro model.  I just thought this was really weird and it worries me a bit quality insurance wise.  I can literally scrape majority the remainder off with just my fingernail.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on September 16, 2019, 07:42:16 PM
Has anyone else had the graphics literally fall off a set of Bones STFs?  I have some STF V1 101s and the graphics are almost completely off already and I haven't even been locking into grinds with them yet.  Graphics are facing in and I did a few 50/50s on a flat round rail and several 5-0s on a ledge (most of the graphics were flaking before the ledge though).  No smiths/feebles with these and the graphics are facing in.  My trucks are brand new as well and I can tell that I've only grinding into the center of them.

I don't really mind because I prefer STF Blanks but my local shop only had 52's in Bufoni's pro model.  I just thought this was really weird and it worries me a bit quality insurance wise.  I can literally scrape majority the remainder off with just my fingernail.

You came to the right place for wheel advice.....After you tell us how to 50/50 a flat round rail.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tangar on September 16, 2019, 08:47:47 PM
Has anyone else had the graphics literally fall off a set of Bones STFs?  I have some STF V1 101s and the graphics are almost completely off already and I haven't even been locking into grinds with them yet.  Graphics are facing in and I did a few 50/50s on a flat round rail and several 5-0s on a ledge (most of the graphics were flaking before the ledge though).  No smiths/feebles with these and the graphics are facing in.  My trucks are brand new as well and I can tell that I've only grinding into the center of them.

I don't really mind because I prefer STF Blanks but my local shop only had 52's in Bufoni's pro model.  I just thought this was really weird and it worries me a bit quality insurance wise.  I can literally scrape majority the remainder off with just my fingernail.
hold that -1 kook
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on September 16, 2019, 11:20:02 PM
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Has anyone else had the graphics literally fall off a set of Bones STFs?  I have some STF V1 101s and the graphics are almost completely off already and I haven't even been locking into grinds with them yet.  Graphics are facing in and I did a few 50/50s on a flat round rail and several 5-0s on a ledge (most of the graphics were flaking before the ledge though).  No smiths/feebles with these and the graphics are facing in.  My trucks are brand new as well and I can tell that I've only grinding into the center of them.

I don't really mind because I prefer STF Blanks but my local shop only had 52's in Bufoni's pro model.  I just thought this was really weird and it worries me a bit quality insurance wise.  I can literally scrape majority the remainder off with just my fingernail.
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You came to the right place for wheel advice.....After you tell us how to 50/50 a flat round rail.

I meant a straight round rail.  Like one without any down/up sections.  I'm a much better skier so I spend more time on the mountain and websites like Newschoolers.  Us skiers and snowboarders refer to them as flat rails and everything else as down flat downs, donkey dicks, rainbow rails, etc. I'm used to that terminology more than skater technology since I was one of three skaters in my small ass town.

Sorry.

Edit: Does this janky ass website not allow me to quote multiple people per reply?  Figured it would have been updated in the last decade... Anyways Mr. Tangar, what is the right terminology for a rail that has no kinks?  I just started skating again after a decade, I guess I'm a kook... lmfao.. Sweet dude, sorry I kicked heroin and being happy with my new health I decided to pick up a board again because of how much I missed it.  I love skating and I wouldn't consider myself a kook but a you being a crusty 33 years old with a lot of comments on a website consisting of a majority of washed up angry old men making you a  "le core skate" means you're obviously better than me.  I'm sorry for upsetting you buddy.  Anyways, shouldn't you be focusing on your family and pension?  Wait, you don't have a family and are trolling forums over the ripe old age of 30!?!?  Sorry for getting mad... you're obviously way more hesh-core-skater-bro than my kook ass...  BuT cAn yOu NiGhTmArE fLiP a ReVivE bOaRd oLd MaN!?!?!?!?!?!?!  Kiss my Johnny Giger tattoo's ass old man, you sound like a fat-ass neckbeard bragging about his Reddit Karma.  LELELELE -1 YA NERD, LOOK AT ME 2000 COMMENT KARMA! 'Tips Fedora' Top Fucking Kek.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on September 17, 2019, 12:49:04 AM
Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.

Did you ever ride the Soft D's? I tried them out on the hunt for a crust wheel, as you mentioned, and thought they were lacking. They were hard enough to still feel the shittiness of the ground but still soft enough to stop slides and reverts. So mostly they did nothing too well. I'd love if there were wheels that smoothed out the shit ground while still letting you have slides but I haven't found it yet. Ended up settling with 87a Keyframes for that setup and avoiding shuvs and 180's. It really seems like that low to mid 90's is a wasteland. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on September 17, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
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Has anyone else had the graphics literally fall off a set of Bones STFs?  I have some STF V1 101s and the graphics are almost completely off already and I haven't even been locking into grinds with them yet.  Graphics are facing in and I did a few 50/50s on a flat round rail and several 5-0s on a ledge (most of the graphics were flaking before the ledge though).  No smiths/feebles with these and the graphics are facing in.  My trucks are brand new as well and I can tell that I've only grinding into the center of them.

I don't really mind because I prefer STF Blanks but my local shop only had 52's in Bufoni's pro model.  I just thought this was really weird and it worries me a bit quality insurance wise.  I can literally scrape majority the remainder off with just my fingernail.
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You came to the right place for wheel advice.....After you tell us how to 50/50 a flat round rail.
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I meant a straight round rail.  Like one without any down/up sections.  I'm a much better skier so I spend more time on the mountain and websites like Newschoolers.  Us skiers and snowboarders refer to them as flat rails and everything else as down flat downs, donkey dicks, rainbow rails, etc. I'm used to that terminology more than skater technology since I was one of three skaters in my small ass town.

Sorry.

Edit: Does this janky ass website not allow me to quote multiple people per reply?  Figured it would have been updated in the last decade... Anyways Mr. Tangar, what is the right terminology for a rail that has no kinks?  I just started skating again after a decade, I guess I'm a kook... lmfao.. Sweet dude, sorry I kicked heroin and being happy with my new health I decided to pick up a board again because of how much I missed it.  I love skating and I wouldn't consider myself a kook but a you being a crusty 33 years old with a lot of comments on a website consisting of a majority of washed up angry old men making you a  "le core skate" means you're obviously better than me.  I'm sorry for upsetting you buddy.  Anyways, shouldn't you be focusing on your family and pension?  Wait, you don't have a family and are trolling forums over the ripe old age of 30!?!?  Sorry for getting mad... you're obviously way more hesh-core-skater-bro than my kook ass...  BuT cAn yOu NiGhTmArE fLiP a ReVivE bOaRd oLd MaN!?!?!?!?!?!?!  Kiss my Johnny Giger tattoo's ass old man, you sound like a fat-ass neckbeard bragging about his Reddit Karma.  LELELELE -1 YA NERD, LOOK AT ME 2000 COMMENT KARMA! 'Tips Fedora' Top Fucking Kek.

Woa dude, you gotta be able to take a jab.

- There are a lot of former drug addicts on here. I've had some close friends die from heroin, so trust me you have a home here.

- I wouldn't worry about the wheel graphics. Wheel companies have never really focused on making long-lasting graphics. If you notice any deformities or flatspots, then I'd suspect some phoniness because STFs are hard as a rock. If the wheel does start falling apart or acting funny (besides the graphics), you can probably find a way to get a free replacement.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on September 17, 2019, 09:54:46 AM
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Has anyone else had the graphics literally fall off a set of Bones STFs?  I have some STF V1 101s and the graphics are almost completely off already and I haven't even been locking into grinds with them yet.  Graphics are facing in and I did a few 50/50s on a flat round rail and several 5-0s on a ledge (most of the graphics were flaking before the ledge though).  No smiths/feebles with these and the graphics are facing in.  My trucks are brand new as well and I can tell that I've only grinding into the center of them.

I don't really mind because I prefer STF Blanks but my local shop only had 52's in Bufoni's pro model.  I just thought this was really weird and it worries me a bit quality insurance wise.  I can literally scrape majority the remainder off with just my fingernail.
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You came to the right place for wheel advice.....After you tell us how to 50/50 a flat round rail.
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I meant a straight round rail.  Like one without any down/up sections.  I'm a much better skier so I spend more time on the mountain and websites like Newschoolers.  Us skiers and snowboarders refer to them as flat rails and everything else as down flat downs, donkey dicks, rainbow rails, etc. I'm used to that terminology more than skater technology since I was one of three skaters in my small ass town.

Sorry.

Edit: Does this janky ass website not allow me to quote multiple people per reply?  Figured it would have been updated in the last decade... Anyways Mr. Tangar, what is the right terminology for a rail that has no kinks?  I just started skating again after a decade, I guess I'm a kook... lmfao.. Sweet dude, sorry I kicked heroin and being happy with my new health I decided to pick up a board again because of how much I missed it.  I love skating and I wouldn't consider myself a kook but a you being a crusty 33 years old with a lot of comments on a website consisting of a majority of washed up angry old men making you a  "le core skate" means you're obviously better than me.  I'm sorry for upsetting you buddy.  Anyways, shouldn't you be focusing on your family and pension?  Wait, you don't have a family and are trolling forums over the ripe old age of 30!?!?  Sorry for getting mad... you're obviously way more hesh-core-skater-bro than my kook ass...  BuT cAn yOu NiGhTmArE fLiP a ReVivE bOaRd oLd MaN!?!?!?!?!?!?!  Kiss my Johnny Giger tattoo's ass old man, you sound like a fat-ass neckbeard bragging about his Reddit Karma.  LELELELE -1 YA NERD, LOOK AT ME 2000 COMMENT KARMA! 'Tips Fedora' Top Fucking Kek.

If you can't take a simple jab without writing a paragraph long diatribe, you're not gonna last long around here
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on September 17, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
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Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.
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Did you ever ride the Soft D's? I tried them out on the hunt for a crust wheel, as you mentioned, and thought they were lacking. They were hard enough to still feel the shittiness of the ground but still soft enough to stop slides and reverts. So mostly they did nothing too well. I'd love if there were wheels that smoothed out the shit ground while still letting you have slides but I haven't found it yet. Ended up settling with 87a Keyframes for that setup and avoiding shuvs and 180's. It really seems like that low to mid 90's is a wasteland.

Agreed. Mid/Low 90s durometers are a complete compromise and don't offer any good performance.

Soft D's are comically shitty wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on September 17, 2019, 09:59:20 AM
Woos, maybe you're not ready to be off heroin bud
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on September 17, 2019, 10:52:22 AM
Agreed. Mid/Low 90s durometers are a complete compromise and don't offer any good performance.


They posted that there are new 95s coming out at some point.  Maybe those will be usable.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on September 17, 2019, 11:34:56 AM
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Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.
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Did you ever ride the Soft D's? I tried them out on the hunt for a crust wheel, as you mentioned, and thought they were lacking. They were hard enough to still feel the shittiness of the ground but still soft enough to stop slides and reverts. So mostly they did nothing too well. I'd love if there were wheels that smoothed out the shit ground while still letting you have slides but I haven't found it yet. Ended up settling with 87a Keyframes for that setup and avoiding shuvs and 180's. It really seems like that low to mid 90's is a wasteland.
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Agreed. Mid/Low 90s durometers are a complete compromise and don't offer any good performance.

Soft D's are comically shitty wheels.

Worst of both worlds! Great deal!  :D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on September 17, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
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Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.
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In my opinion, spitfire has 2 things going for them: F4s are perfect, and the classic formula is good if you know what you’re dealing with.

Do you like your chargers? I was not a fan. Funny how DLX Zip Zinger wheels are great but Spitfire doesn’t seem to want to sell a good cruiser wheel.

Agree on the F4s as perfect! Overall I like the chargers for cruising, but too bouncy + grippy for throwing in tricks in various street scenarios, certainly not for the park. A Spitfire 90d radial/classic shape that can serve lots of purposes on a single set up I would buy all day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on September 17, 2019, 02:00:47 PM
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Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.
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Did you ever ride the Soft D's? I tried them out on the hunt for a crust wheel, as you mentioned, and thought they were lacking. They were hard enough to still feel the shittiness of the ground but still soft enough to stop slides and reverts. So mostly they did nothing too well. I'd love if there were wheels that smoothed out the shit ground while still letting you have slides but I haven't found it yet. Ended up settling with 87a Keyframes for that setup and avoiding shuvs and 180's. It really seems like that low to mid 90's is a wasteland.
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Agreed. Mid/Low 90s durometers are a complete compromise and don't offer any good performance.

Soft D's are comically shitty wheels.
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Worst of both worlds! Great deal!  :D

yep, gave the soft Ds a shot, nothing gained in smoothness on rough ground.... may as well stick with F4 99d
thinking of giving keyframes a try, i'll have to peel off my spitfire stickers....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 17, 2019, 02:54:59 PM

yep, gave the soft Ds a shot, nothing gained in smoothness on rough ground.... may as well stick with F4 99d
thinking of giving keyframes a try, i'll have to peel off my spitfire stickers....

Got a set of 53mm F4 Classic 99a last week and put them on.  Been riding the 101a conicals (same size) and I wasn't sure what I would think of that shape, since it's a little narrow.  It's weird, they feel so thin on the ground but I still feel that "stuck" feeling when turning at higher speeds like with the conicals.  The slide is so gratifying, with that grippy smoothness.  Also, the difference on asphalt between the 101a and 99a is night and day, with basically no difference on smooth ground.  F4 99a every time from here on out, unless someone can improve on them somehow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on September 17, 2019, 03:26:03 PM
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Wish spitfire would come out with something in a 90du. Their Chargers are 80 and then duro options jump to 99/101. That's a big spread, and seems like an opportunity to tap the crusty street/also park riding multi purpose wheel. They made the 'Soft Ds' awhile back.

I'm loyal to spitfire in all shapes, and ride chargers on a 'front of the house' set up. I've played with mini logo 90du, which oddly feel like the same bounce/grip as the chargers. A spitfire classic or radial in 90du would be sweet.
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Did you ever ride the Soft D's? I tried them out on the hunt for a crust wheel, as you mentioned, and thought they were lacking. They were hard enough to still feel the shittiness of the ground but still soft enough to stop slides and reverts. So mostly they did nothing too well. I'd love if there were wheels that smoothed out the shit ground while still letting you have slides but I haven't found it yet. Ended up settling with 87a Keyframes for that setup and avoiding shuvs and 180's. It really seems like that low to mid 90's is a wasteland.
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Agreed. Mid/Low 90s durometers are a complete compromise and don't offer any good performance.

Soft D's are comically shitty wheels.
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Worst of both worlds! Great deal!  :D
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yep, gave the soft Ds a shot, nothing gained in smoothness on rough ground.... may as well stick with F4 99d
thinking of giving keyframes a try, i'll have to peel off my spitfire stickers....

Keyframes are awesome soft wheels. Definitely worth a try instead of any Spitfire softer wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on September 17, 2019, 04:10:15 PM
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yep, gave the soft Ds a shot, nothing gained in smoothness on rough ground.... may as well stick with F4 99d
thinking of giving keyframes a try, i'll have to peel off my spitfire stickers....
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Keyframes are awesome soft wheels. Definitely worth a try instead of any Spitfire softer wheels.

Can definitely say Keyframes 100% over Chargers. Perfect for a setup that's cruiser-y while still being able to actually skate when needed.

Anyone try the Dialtone Oyola's? They were 92's and I was considering them but they sold out before I pulled the trigger.
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Post by: hillbilly shifty on September 18, 2019, 06:16:39 AM
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yep, gave the soft Ds a shot, nothing gained in smoothness on rough ground.... may as well stick with F4 99d
thinking of giving keyframes a try, i'll have to peel off my spitfire stickers....
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Keyframes are awesome soft wheels. Definitely worth a try instead of any Spitfire softer wheels.
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Can definitely say Keyframes 100% over Chargers. Perfect for a setup that's cruiser-y while still being able to actually skate when needed.

Anyone try the Dialtone Oyola's? They were 92's and I was considering them but they sold out before I pulled the trigger.

Thanks Roisto + Palelight. A set of keyframes are on the way!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Alotoflizards on September 19, 2019, 08:59:26 PM
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Does anybody here know where I can just buy straight up blank natural wheels that are the same quality as brand name? Please let me know..
Thank you
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These guys maybe. They do Loophole too.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/contact-skateboard-manufacturer

You tried those loophole out yet? Someone said they sucked..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 19, 2019, 10:46:23 PM
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yep, gave the soft Ds a shot, nothing gained in smoothness on rough ground.... may as well stick with F4 99d
thinking of giving keyframes a try, i'll have to peel off my spitfire stickers....
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Keyframes are awesome soft wheels. Definitely worth a try instead of any Spitfire softer wheels.
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Can definitely say Keyframes 100% over Chargers. Perfect for a setup that's cruiser-y while still being able to actually skate when needed.

Anyone try the Dialtone Oyola's? They were 92's and I was considering them but they sold out before I pulled the trigger.
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Thanks Roisto + Palelight. A set of keyframes are on the way!

SML mandersons come in a 92...maybe same Manu?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: oldbummer on September 21, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2o4OscHVgF/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2j0BkgHa-t/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on September 21, 2019, 06:06:10 PM
How wants a set indeed?
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 21, 2019, 07:24:25 PM
How wants a set indeed?
I'd be interested to test a pair
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Post by: j....soy..... on September 22, 2019, 07:42:52 AM
I'll maybe try a set too.....bones is acting more like spits.....
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 22, 2019, 01:31:17 PM
I'll maybe try a set too.....bones is acting more like spits.....
The competition is starting to heat up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LordManHammer on September 24, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Wheels-53-3mm-Redhead-2005/123907287880?hash=item1cd9732b48:g:QgIAAOSwaNtdfdGA
I saw this on Ebay and am contemplating rocking these, I know this might be a dumb question anyway I could skate these as a cruiser and preserve the image?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 24, 2019, 08:58:55 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Wheels-53-3mm-Redhead-2005/123907287880?hash=item1cd9732b48:g:QgIAAOSwaNtdfdGA
I saw this on Ebay and am contemplating rocking these, I know this might be a dumb question anyway I could skate these as a cruiser and preserve the image?

Mid 2000s wasn't the best time for Spitfires. Don't ride 'em. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2019, 10:26:39 AM
I highly recommend slime balls to anyone looking for a softer wheel but not too “cruiser-y” soft.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 24, 2019, 11:04:44 AM
What are people's thoughts on getting some 56mm fattie easy streets for a zip zinger? I currently have 56mm keyframes on it which I really like, but my new commute to work involves a hillbomb and not being able to powerslide is a bit annoying. However I don't want to have my wheels just feel like hard formula fours or whatever because I still have to push a bunch on not so perfect ground.

People say easy streets feel really soft and quiet, yet are still like a street wheel. Between keyframes and formula fours, where on the spectrum would easy streets lie?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 24, 2019, 11:25:15 AM
They’re like formula 4s: they’re a hard and loud street wheel. That being said though, I just got a set and skated a pretty rough school yard last weekend and they didn’t rattle my teeth.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on September 24, 2019, 11:30:46 AM
What are people's thoughts on getting some 56mm fattie easy streets for a zip zinger? I currently have 56mm keyframes on it which I really like, but my new commute to work involves a hillbomb and not being able to powerslide is a bit annoying. However I don't want to have my wheels just feel like hard formula fours or whatever because I still have to push a bunch on not so perfect ground.

People say easy streets feel really soft and quiet, yet are still like a street wheel. Between keyframes and formula fours, where on the spectrum would easy streets lie?

Harder than 99A Formula Fours IMO. Nowhere near close to Keyframes. I hated mine and sold them to a friend after a few days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 24, 2019, 11:48:16 AM
Damn, thanks for the feedback guys.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dog the Bounty Hunter on September 24, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Try Powell G slides and let me know how they are, thanks 😂
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LordManHammer on September 24, 2019, 12:13:36 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Wheels-53-3mm-Redhead-2005/123907287880?hash=item1cd9732b48:g:QgIAAOSwaNtdfdGA
I saw this on Ebay and am contemplating rocking these, I know this might be a dumb question anyway I could skate these as a cruiser and preserve the image?
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Mid 2000s wasn't the best time for Spitfires. Don't ride 'em.
What do you mean the mid 2000's wasn't the best for Spitfire shit wheels or what?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on September 24, 2019, 12:22:58 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Wheels-53-3mm-Redhead-2005/123907287880?hash=item1cd9732b48:g:QgIAAOSwaNtdfdGA
I saw this on Ebay and am contemplating rocking these, I know this might be a dumb question anyway I could skate these as a cruiser and preserve the image?
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Mid 2000s wasn't the best time for Spitfires. Don't ride 'em.
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What do you mean the mid 2000's wasn't the best for Spitfire shit wheels or what?
Classics are/were good, but they don't last/flatspot easily and the gimmicks like Firelites, Hardlines, Streetburners, and to a lesser extent F1s were even worse than classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 24, 2019, 01:05:18 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Wheels-53-3mm-Redhead-2005/123907287880?hash=item1cd9732b48:g:QgIAAOSwaNtdfdGA
I saw this on Ebay and am contemplating rocking these, I know this might be a dumb question anyway I could skate these as a cruiser and preserve the image?
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Mid 2000s wasn't the best time for Spitfires. Don't ride 'em.
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What do you mean the mid 2000's wasn't the best for Spitfire shit wheels or what?

90s Spitifires were great and F4s are amazing but Spitifre had some rough times in between with QC.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 24, 2019, 01:08:30 PM
Try Powell G slides and let me know how they are, thanks 😂

I've had them, not a fan. Bit wide for a 56mm in my opinion. They do slide but its a very chalky, unsatisfying slide and not very easy to control.

I've said it a bunch over the past few years on this forum but I think Powell Bombers (60mm 85a) are the best soft wheel that slides. Breaks into the slide without too much effort, has a lower pitched bark than a street wheel but not chalky and the slide is quite easy to control. Just a bit too big for a zip zinger though. If they made one in the shape and size of keyframes it would be perfect.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 24, 2019, 08:07:41 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Wheels-53-3mm-Redhead-2005/123907287880?hash=item1cd9732b48:g:QgIAAOSwaNtdfdGA
I saw this on Ebay and am contemplating rocking these, I know this might be a dumb question anyway I could skate these as a cruiser and preserve the image?
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Mid 2000s wasn't the best time for Spitfires. Don't ride 'em.
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What do you mean the mid 2000's wasn't the best for Spitfire shit wheels or what?
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Classics are/were good, but they don't last/flatspot easily and the gimmicks like Firelites, Hardlines, Streetburners, and to a lesser extent F1s were even worse than classics.

Classics have improved a fair bit recently though... I just remember the mid-2000s being a low point for Spitfire...
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Post by: 50mm on September 24, 2019, 08:10:07 PM
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Wheels-53-3mm-Redhead-2005/123907287880?hash=item1cd9732b48:g:QgIAAOSwaNtdfdGA
I saw this on Ebay and am contemplating rocking these, I know this might be a dumb question anyway I could skate these as a cruiser and preserve the image?
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Mid 2000s wasn't the best time for Spitfires. Don't ride 'em.
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What do you mean the mid 2000's wasn't the best for Spitfire shit wheels or what?
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Classics are/were good, but they don't last/flatspot easily and the gimmicks like Firelites, Hardlines, Streetburners, and to a lesser extent F1s were even worse than classics.
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Classics have improved a fair bit recently though... I just remember the mid-2000s being a low point for Spitfire...
For sure. Bones blew up big time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 24, 2019, 11:34:10 PM
It's sad to say that it was darkstar that got me giving a shit about how wheels performed.....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on September 25, 2019, 07:30:25 AM
Try Powell G slides and let me know how they are, thanks 😂

much wider than they should be and even though they are much easier to slide than most cruiser wheels they still tend to bite and pitch you much easier than hard wheels which would rather wash out on higher speed slides.

so for me, even though they are slideable the faster i go, the more i shit my pants bringing the board sideways.

i like them and will keep them on a big setup (usually 15"+wb) but sliding smaller boards on them seems impossible to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 25, 2019, 09:33:50 AM
Try Powell G slides and let me know how they are, thanks 😂

I have a couple pairs of Gslides and they aren’t bad for a soft wheel. They do slide for the first couple days but after that they stick just like any other soft wheel. I don't know if its like a coating that wears off or what. Still a solid softer wheel though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on September 25, 2019, 09:58:26 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2o4OscHVgF/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2j0BkgHa-t/

i don't know if i am seeing correctly but does the inside edge look square (like sharp angle square)
i hope they are not like 80s rollerskates wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on September 25, 2019, 10:41:27 AM

i don't know if i am seeing correctly but does the inside edge look square (like sharp angle square)
i hope they are not like 80s rollerskates wheels

In that photo they are, but that's because they come out of the mold that way.  They then machine down the second side on the lathe - which is the other photo.

Full production process can be seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01rIJE4G-fk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on September 25, 2019, 05:15:23 PM
A few weeks ago I complained to spitfire about my 80HD chargers. A chunk came out of a nearly new pair. They were really cool about replacing them, but they asked me if I’d rather have a set of F4s, and I pretty much said YES, any size, color, or shape.

They sent me 80HD chargers. It’s a real white person problem, I know, but I’m not even going to use them. I might just give them to a kid.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: animalflesh on September 29, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
This won’t apply to the majority of you I’m sure


These wheels are sick

Slide really well roll onto coping and curbs amazingly and are thin enough to skate street with

(https://i.imgur.com/hgMaK5Q.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 29, 2019, 09:52:15 PM
This won’t apply to the majority of you I’m sure


These wheels are sick

Slide really well roll onto coping and curbs amazingly and are thin enough to skate street with

(https://i.imgur.com/hgMaK5Q.jpg)

Nice! I’ve been wondering about these, they look nice. Funny thing is that I’ve been seeing Hosoi  riding Alta wheels lately
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Pissedoff30y/oskatedad on September 29, 2019, 10:20:13 PM
What was the name of that trendy wheel company that came out a couple of years ago... i remember they ripped the Dior logo or some big fahsipn house designer. I remember john shanahan reppin em for a bit but the name keeps slipping my memory
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 29, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
What was the name of that trendy wheel company that came out a couple of years ago... i remember they ripped the Dior logo or some big fahsipn house designer. I remember john shanahan reppin em for a bit but the name keeps slipping my memory

Canal?

(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/canal-new-york-designer-urethane-no-55-skateboard-wheels-55mm-p30649-75695_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on September 30, 2019, 12:06:02 AM
Anyone know the differences between OJ Superjuice vs Hot Juice? Both in 60mm. I have Hot Juices on my Winkowski and wanting to get some Supers since I kind of like skating this board with bigger softer wheels. Is there a point spending more money or are they too similar?

Edit: impulse bought them anyways. pls explain anyways.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on September 30, 2019, 01:27:06 AM
Someone posted somewhere here a while ago about some small brand by the dude who developed Formula Fours. I can’t find it for the life of me. Can anyone remember what the brand was and/or who the dude is?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on September 30, 2019, 01:30:49 AM
Someone posted somewhere here a while ago about some small brand by the dude who developed Formula Fours. I can’t find it for the life of me. Can anyone remember what the brand was and/or who the dude is?
loophole wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on September 30, 2019, 01:49:38 AM
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Someone posted somewhere here a while ago about some small brand by the dude who developed Formula Fours. I can’t find it for the life of me. Can anyone remember what the brand was and/or who the dude is?
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loophole wheels

Thanks man! 👍

Have you tried them? Anyone else?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on September 30, 2019, 07:03:44 AM
Anyone know the differences between OJ Superjuice vs Hot Juice? Both in 60mm. I have Hot Juices on my Winkowski and wanting to get some Supers since I kind of like skating this board with bigger softer wheels. Is there a point spending more money or are they too similar?

Edit: impulse bought them anyways. pls explain anyways.

The are the same thing Super Juice is just designed better (curved edges) as not to chunk out as easily. If you have Hot Juice and they are fine, then you are good. If you have to choose between the two get Super.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 30, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
I’m trying tell myself not to but I’m thinking about getting some bones easy streets or stfs.
I have some f4 radials(Not the radial slims) but they don’t slide as well as the f4 conicals (not the fulls.) I had. Even powerslides seem harder to control. Like they automatically turn me back parallel.  Maybe it’s in my head.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on September 30, 2019, 08:52:49 AM
I’m trying tell myself not to but I’m thinking about getting some bones easy streets or stfs.
I have some f4 radials(Not the radial slims) but they don’t slide as well as the f4 conicals (not the fulls.) I had. Even powerslides seem harder to control. Like they automatically turn me back parallel.  Maybe it’s in my head.

i have exactly the same problem at the moment.

i have two sets of f4s, radial and conical full (super ridden down) they are the same size now but the conicals are super square and have twice the contact patch of the newer radials but slide way better.

i got the radials to have more slidable wheels and got fucked...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 30, 2019, 09:04:29 AM
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I’m trying tell myself not to but I’m thinking about getting some bones easy streets or stfs.
I have some f4 radials(Not the radial slims) but they don’t slide as well as the f4 conicals (not the fulls.) I had. Even powerslides seem harder to control. Like they automatically turn me back parallel.  Maybe it’s in my head.
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i have exactly the same problem at the moment.

i have two sets of f4s, radial and conical full (super ridden down) they are the same size now but the conicals are super square and have twice the contact patch of the newer radials but slide way better.

i got the radials to have more slidable wheels and got fucked...

Haha exact same!  I got the radials as 52mm even when my worn conicals started as 54s. My buddy got some easy streets Saturday and I may see how they feel on his board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 30, 2019, 12:57:25 PM
Easy Streets are much more grippy compared to F4s, so more effort is required to powerslide. IMO I find that it makes powerslides a lot more easier since I don't worry about putting too much power and oversliding and eating shit. When I powerslide F4s, I tend to under estimate how much I need to slide because of how slidey they are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: animalflesh on September 30, 2019, 01:09:12 PM
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This won’t apply to the majority of you I’m sure


These wheels are sick

Slide really well roll onto coping and curbs amazingly and are thin enough to skate street with

(https://i.imgur.com/hgMaK5Q.jpg)
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Nice! I’ve been wondering about these, they look nice. Funny thing is that I’ve been seeing Hosoi  riding Alta wheels lately

He’s always on some half business venture kick with somebody else but I will say that his rocket reissues and these wheels are really solid in their own different ways and also pretty much everything he makes under hosoi is of good quality
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on September 30, 2019, 10:32:16 PM
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Someone posted somewhere here a while ago about some small brand by the dude who developed Formula Fours. I can’t find it for the life of me. Can anyone remember what the brand was and/or who the dude is?
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loophole wheels
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Thanks man! 👍

Have you tried them? Anyone else?

ive wanted to but literally just got new wheels, maybe next time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on October 01, 2019, 03:01:02 AM
Did you guys see that Easy Streets now come in a raw colorway and they now offer them in all shapes? I’m pretty stoked. 99A V4s would be a badass bowl wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on October 01, 2019, 03:55:14 AM
I just got a couple pairs of Niki Red wheels and they seem to be pretty good quality. I got the Brooklyn Baptizer which is 54mm 96a with a really nice conical shape. It's a little wider than spitfire conical full but is treaded. Going to skate these first as they're better suited for the rough pavement I usually skate. The other set is a 54mm 101a wolf graphic (inspired by some college mascot I think) with a really similar shape to one of the wider bones shapes.. I think v4 but I'll have to check.

Out of the box these seem to be decent quality, the urethane doesn't feel cheap and plastic like a lot of cheap wheels do and the graphics are good quality prints. They have a lot of size/duro combos but seem to gravitate towards bigger sizes and conical molds. If they end up sucking I'll come back and let you all know but so far so good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on October 01, 2019, 04:59:30 AM
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Someone posted somewhere here a while ago about some small brand by the dude who developed Formula Fours. I can’t find it for the life of me. Can anyone remember what the brand was and/or who the dude is?
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loophole wheels
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Thanks man! 👍

Have you tried them? Anyone else?
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ive wanted to but literally just got new wheels, maybe next time

I really want to try them out too but would like knowing how they compare to F4s. Fucking international shipping and taxes would make these cost me 15€ more than F4s and I don’t think I can justify that seeing as F4s aren’t exactly cheap either. 🤔
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on October 01, 2019, 07:59:33 AM
Tried out my 44mm boardy cakes for the first time. I pretty much got out of my car, threw my board down, and rolled in a semi-circle back to my car. Session over.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/YnmEsq9ICSYQ8/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on October 01, 2019, 08:18:51 AM
i don't understand why people would ride these wheels, to be honest. it is crippling.
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Post by: bbk on October 01, 2019, 08:30:26 AM
i don't understand why people would ride these wheels, to be honest. it is crippling.
This. Anything below 50 mm is just dumb and pointless.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 01, 2019, 09:40:40 AM
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i don't understand why people would ride these wheels, to be honest. it is crippling.
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This. Anything below 50 mm is just dumb and pointless.

Small wheels are used for slappy setups since it's easier to get the truck onto the curb/block.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on October 01, 2019, 09:45:13 AM
i don't see that point i slappy on 58s better than on any smaller wheel.

small wheels only lift onto angled parking blocks, straight curbs are much harder for me on small wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on October 01, 2019, 10:17:07 AM
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i don't understand why people would ride these wheels, to be honest. it is crippling.
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This. Anything below 50 mm is just dumb and pointless.
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Small wheels are used for slappy setups since it's easier to get the truck onto the curb/block.
Is it really worth it to have a setup only for slappies, since it's wortless for everything else?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 01, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
If you can afford it and follow this starterpack, might as well.

(https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/35-plus-years-old-skaters-starter-pack-pain-meme.jpg)

http://instagram.com/p/B2M3W1XjfED/ (http://instagram.com/p/B2M3W1XjfED/)

http://instagram.com/p/B1kKnmaFUyh/ (http://instagram.com/p/B1kKnmaFUyh/)

Spencer uses 50mm wheels, Chris uses 42mm wheels.

Tbh it's really just personal preference. Personally I can slappy with 53mm and 56mm wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on October 01, 2019, 11:28:39 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByyQlieHtpH/

if anyone is looking for a smaller brand with Bones hardness and a lock-in shape.
I wanted to get a pair, but I have a thing for skinny wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: What a find on October 01, 2019, 11:49:16 AM
Slappy specific setups

No, please no

You're missing the whole point of riding curbs if you're in the "easier to get on them" mentality
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 01, 2019, 08:11:06 PM
Anyone got opinions on ricta sparx?

I just got a set and they’re decent but nothing crazy special

They feel like very regular decent wheels

They’ll last and won’t flat spot that easily I can feel but they definitely don’t have anything special feeling

Currently I’m loving pig primes cause they feel like classics but better

Formula fours are cool and I really want some easy streets but hmmmmmmm.....

I’m over the formula fours, they slide and work good but they kinda feel to slick to me over time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on October 02, 2019, 03:44:56 AM
Anyone got opinions on ricta sparx?

I just got a set and they’re decent but nothing crazy special

They feel like very regular decent wheels
Isn't sparx their pricepoint wheel, so this is exactly what you would expect?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ziad on October 02, 2019, 06:20:38 AM
does anyone ride 56mm for street skating? i ordered 56mm bones STF v5 shape I think it'll be faster and smoother, better lock on grinds having a bigger wheel but im worried that'll be heavy, and wheelbites like crazy anyone try out 56mm for street skating?
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Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 02, 2019, 07:58:28 AM
i have done and depending on the truck you'll definitely need risers. had stf v5 56ers also a few years ago, once i put pads on it was alright.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 02, 2019, 09:02:39 AM
How noticeable is the increase in wheel height from 52 to 55? Been rocking 50-52 with Venture lows for close to a decade, went up to a Indy 149 and 52mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: velvethammer on October 02, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
does anyone ride 56mm for street skating? i ordered 56mm bones STF v5 shape I think it'll be faster and smoother, better lock on grinds having a bigger wheel but im worried that'll be heavy, and wheelbites like crazy anyone try out 56mm for street skating?
I have been using 56mm with a 1/8 risers. They are good for just about everything. I do get some nasty wheel bite coming out of slappys where there is no run out and a turn is needed after popping off the curb. My next set will be 54mm with the same risers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 02, 2019, 04:50:53 PM
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I just got a set and they’re decent but nothing crazy special

They feel like very regular decent wheels
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Isn't sparx their pricepoint wheel, so this is exactly what you would expect?

Something like a spit classic but with some ricta magic that everyone use to boast about

Back in the 7.5/7.8 days it was spit classics, bones 100’s or stf if you could afford it, and ricta naturals/cores and I tried classics and all the bones but never rictas and anyone who had rictas rode them to the core
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 03, 2019, 03:13:58 AM
I vaguely recall Ricta Cores around when I started skating (tail end of 08 I think) and everyone who had them had issues with the core popping out - a friend of mine randomly stumbled across some "all star chrome cores" with gold cores and purple urethane in a junk shop in the middle of nowhere. Infact my first set of "proper" wheels were Ricta Supercrystals in a colour I can only describe as 10 beers deep dehydrated piss.

I haven't skated the Sparx, but given their description and price point at £25 I'd assume they're just a generic price point wheel up there with Bones 100's etc. That being said what's the prices of Ricta Naturals over there? They're often on sale here for equivalent or cheaper than the Sparx (£20) and in my opinion I'd say they're definitely comparable to F4's, STF's etc in terms of the slide. They definitely do cone out and shrink a little quicker, but overall they're a nice wheel and I'd have no qualms skating them again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on October 03, 2019, 05:01:36 AM
Naturals used to be pricepoint too, but the last year or two they started doing nrg naturals, those are good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ziad on October 03, 2019, 06:33:12 AM
i have done and depending on the truck you'll definitely need risers. had stf v5 56ers also a few years ago, once i put pads on it was alright.
thanks! do you remember what size? like bigger than the normal 1/8" pads?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ziad on October 03, 2019, 06:35:28 AM
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does anyone ride 56mm for street skating? i ordered 56mm bones STF v5 shape I think it'll be faster and smoother, better lock on grinds having a bigger wheel but im worried that'll be heavy, and wheelbites like crazy anyone try out 56mm for street skating?
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I have been using 56mm with a 1/8 risers. They are good for just about everything. I do get some nasty wheel bite coming out of slappys where there is no run out and a turn is needed after popping off the curb. My next set will be 54mm with the same risers.
Think I should get 1/4" pads then? I had to choose between 55mm and 56mm but I thought I'd go 56mm since wheels get smaller over time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 03, 2019, 06:43:14 AM
I'm struggling finding a wheel I like other than the 99 F4s classic fulls Im on but not sluggish. I'm in Baltimore and the chatter is getting to be a bit much. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on October 03, 2019, 07:33:11 AM
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does anyone ride 56mm for street skating? i ordered 56mm bones STF v5 shape I think it'll be faster and smoother, better lock on grinds having a bigger wheel but im worried that'll be heavy, and wheelbites like crazy anyone try out 56mm for street skating?
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I have been using 56mm with a 1/8 risers. They are good for just about everything. I do get some nasty wheel bite coming out of slappys where there is no run out and a turn is needed after popping off the curb. My next set will be 54mm with the same risers.
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Think I should get 1/4" pads then? I had to choose between 55mm and 56mm but I thought I'd go 56mm since wheels get smaller over time

You get the same clearance with 1/8” risers and 56 mm wheels as you do with 50 mm wheels with no risers. For 1/4” risers it’s the same clearance as with 44 mm wheels with no risers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on October 03, 2019, 07:53:12 AM
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i don't understand why people would ride these wheels, to be honest. it is crippling.
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This. Anything below 50 mm is just dumb and pointless.
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Small wheels are used for slappy setups since it's easier to get the truck onto the curb/block.

I mainly got the 44mm wheels for their novelty, not to seriously skate. Kind of like a skate souvenir. Only $25 anyway. Usually i ride 56mm so i had very low expectations.

Also, theres no way a tiny wheel is better for slappies, at least the standard 5050 slappy. And huge wheels take the fun out of it. I like a 56-58mm wheel on a solid, standard curb. Having to go fast and put your weight into it makes it feel much better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LordManHammer on October 03, 2019, 08:28:07 AM
I find 55-54mm don't require riser pads anything higher definitely needs a riser.  I've been riding a Spitfire Classics 55mm on some 149's Indy's and they're just snug of giving me wheelbite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on October 03, 2019, 01:37:37 PM
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i have done and depending on the truck you'll definitely need risers. had stf v5 56ers also a few years ago, once i put pads on it was alright.
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thanks! do you remember what size? like bigger than the normal 1/8" pads?

1/8th i believe.

@darthdingus it depends on the truck really, you have a bit more leeway on indys. I have a friend somehow running 57s on indys and while the wheelbite hits occasionally i somehow get more with 54s and risers on 149 thunders :o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 03, 2019, 02:52:24 PM
Naturals used to be pricepoint too, but the last year or two they started doing nrg naturals, those are good.

Yeah I saw those and were very interested cause I remember the naturals were the basic competitor to spit classics

Spit classics are good to me so how were the ricta naturals is the question, did the sparx 99a take place of the naturals? Cause I recall that sparx were usually just a harder than ricta natural wheel at 101a instead of 99a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on October 03, 2019, 05:48:25 PM
yeah, that seems right! It's weird they took their pricepoint name and made in premium.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on October 05, 2019, 12:29:41 AM
Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on October 05, 2019, 01:03:13 AM
Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.

That's sick that your brother is taking up skating. I always wish I had a close family member to just cruise around with.

As you said the ground is really rough where you're currently at. Anything soft should do the trick but I don't have much experience with anything under 99a. Ricta Clouds are probably worth a look.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on October 05, 2019, 04:08:37 AM
What about the spitfire 80hd chargers. They cruise and pick up speed though haha. Gotta be careful on hills
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on October 05, 2019, 04:17:19 AM
Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.

I think the Ricta clouds in 78a might be the best fit. They are comparably smooth to the Mini super juices (just slightly less smooth and fast because they are not as wide) but handle rough streets well and the shape is closer to the harder wheels you mentioned. If he starts with 78a, he can always gradually go harder to the Ricta 86a and 92a as going straight from 78a to 99/103a is a big jump and can be a lot to get used to.

That’s awesome you guys get to skate together, btw!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on October 05, 2019, 06:24:45 AM
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does anyone ride 56mm for street skating? i ordered 56mm bones STF v5 shape I think it'll be faster and smoother, better lock on grinds having a bigger wheel but im worried that'll be heavy, and wheelbites like crazy anyone try out 56mm for street skating?
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I have been using 56mm with a 1/8 risers. They are good for just about everything. I do get some nasty wheel bite coming out of slappys where there is no run out and a turn is needed after popping off the curb. My next set will be 54mm with the same risers.
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Think I should get 1/4" pads then? I had to choose between 55mm and 56mm but I thought I'd go 56mm since wheels get smaller over time
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You get the same clearance with 1/8” risers and 56 mm wheels as you do with 50 mm wheels with no risers. For 1/4” risers it’s the same clearance as with 44 mm wheels with no risers.
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on October 05, 2019, 08:10:29 AM
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does anyone ride 56mm for street skating? i ordered 56mm bones STF v5 shape I think it'll be faster and smoother, better lock on grinds having a bigger wheel but im worried that'll be heavy, and wheelbites like crazy anyone try out 56mm for street skating?
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I have been using 56mm with a 1/8 risers. They are good for just about everything. I do get some nasty wheel bite coming out of slappys where there is no run out and a turn is needed after popping off the curb. My next set will be 54mm with the same risers.
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Think I should get 1/4" pads then? I had to choose between 55mm and 56mm but I thought I'd go 56mm since wheels get smaller over time
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You get the same clearance with 1/8” risers and 56 mm wheels as you do with 50 mm wheels with no risers. For 1/4” risers it’s the same clearance as with 44 mm wheels with no risers.
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How?

1/8" ≈ 3 mm
1/4" ≈ 6 mm

Half of the wheel diameter is between the axle and the board. So if you put on a 3 mm riser, you can get the same clearance with a wheel 6 mm bigger.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 05, 2019, 08:20:17 AM
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does anyone ride 56mm for street skating? i ordered 56mm bones STF v5 shape I think it'll be faster and smoother, better lock on grinds having a bigger wheel but im worried that'll be heavy, and wheelbites like crazy anyone try out 56mm for street skating?
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I have been using 56mm with a 1/8 risers. They are good for just about everything. I do get some nasty wheel bite coming out of slappys where there is no run out and a turn is needed after popping off the curb. My next set will be 54mm with the same risers.
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Think I should get 1/4" pads then? I had to choose between 55mm and 56mm but I thought I'd go 56mm since wheels get smaller over time
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You get the same clearance with 1/8” risers and 56 mm wheels as you do with 50 mm wheels with no risers. For 1/4” risers it’s the same clearance as with 44 mm wheels with no risers.
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  Seems off
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How?

1/8" ≈ 3 mm
1/4" ≈ 6 mm

Half of the wheel diameter is between the axle and the board. So if you put on a 3 mm riser, you can get the same clearance with a wheel 6 mm bigger.

I was skeptical but tried this after you had posted it previously and it works for me. It's pretty sick. Thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gaunting on October 05, 2019, 12:11:55 PM
anyone ever tried wayward? I’m thinking about pullin the trigger, but I’ve ridden nothing but spitfire for the past 15 years. worth it?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 05, 2019, 01:03:04 PM
anyone ever tried wayward? I’m thinking about pullin the trigger, but I’ve ridden nothing but spitfire for the past 15 years. worth it?

Waywards are great all terrain wheels, they felt a little slow in smooth parks for me, on transition anyway. Seemed fine for everything else. Have a spit f4 like feel to them, maybe a bit softer/grippier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on October 05, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.

He’s gonna need a bigger 14.75” wheelbase

Go with a 8.75” deck (bbs)
159 Indy standards with aftermarket harder blue bushings or black bushings
54-56mm 87a clouds or oj keyframes, shouldn’t need risers.
And splurge for bones Swiss

He’ll be happy and you’ll want to ride his board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on October 05, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
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Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.
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He’s gonna need a bigger 14.75” wheelbase

Go with a 8.75” deck (bbs)
159 Indy standards with aftermarket harder blue bushings or black bushings
54-56mm 87a clouds or oj keyframes, shouldn’t need risers.
And splurge for bones Swiss

He’ll be happy and you’ll want to ride his board
seeing a bit of a pattern. I’m 6’4” and looking foot a longer wheelbase for sure.. 14.75” seem right?

Also riding the spitfire 80hd 56mm.. big diff to those 87a clouds? Wanna downsize to 54mm too I think.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on October 05, 2019, 06:12:58 PM
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Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.
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He’s gonna need a bigger 14.75” wheelbase

Go with a 8.75” deck (bbs)
159 Indy standards with aftermarket harder blue bushings or black bushings
54-56mm 87a clouds or oj keyframes, shouldn’t need risers.
And splurge for bones Swiss

He’ll be happy and you’ll want to ride his board
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seeing a bit of a pattern. I’m 6’4” and looking foot a longer wheelbase for sure.. 14.75” seem right?

Also riding the spitfire 80hd 56mm.. big diff to those 87a clouds? Wanna downsize to 54mm too I think.

The 80hd spits suck ass. Keyframes or Clouds are 100 times smoother and better. All slide equally as bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on October 06, 2019, 03:40:23 PM
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Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.
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He’s gonna need a bigger 14.75” wheelbase

Go with a 8.75” deck (bbs)
159 Indy standards with aftermarket harder blue bushings or black bushings
54-56mm 87a clouds or oj keyframes, shouldn’t need risers.
And splurge for bones Swiss

He’ll be happy and you’ll want to ride his board

I don’t need your help with anything you said other than the wheels dude. I’m not convincing someone who’s not even sure they want to continue skating to buy $60 bearings. Reds or Mini-Logos are plenty.  Stock bushings are fine for someone just learning to ride a board and if I went aftermarket I’d go Bones Hardcore. Also a 14.75 WB on a 32” deck would be regular.  A Real Full deck is like 8.5, 32.1, 14.35.  Seeing him on my 14.25 31.5 made it clear that it would be a decent length for him.

Just stop talking.  I skate dude I just don’t have experience with the wheels I’m asking about.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on October 06, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
Lol  :o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CBP on October 06, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
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Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.
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He’s gonna need a bigger 14.75” wheelbase

Go with a 8.75” deck (bbs)
159 Indy standards with aftermarket harder blue bushings or black bushings
54-56mm 87a clouds or oj keyframes, shouldn’t need risers.
And splurge for bones Swiss

He’ll be happy and you’ll want to ride his board
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I don’t need your help with anything you said other than the wheels dude. I’m not convincing someone who’s not even sure they want to continue skating to buy $60 bearings. Reds or Mini-Logos are plenty.  Stock bushings are fine for someone just learning to ride a board and if I went aftermarket I’d go Bones Hardcore. Also a 14.75 WB on a 32” deck would be regular.  A Real Full deck is like 8.5, 32.1, 14.35.  Seeing him on my 14.25 31.5 made it clear that it would be a decent length for him.

Just stop talking.  I skate dude I just don’t have experience with the wheels I’m asking about.

Why would you hit post after typing that up?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DR EVIL on October 06, 2019, 08:07:15 PM
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i don't know if i am seeing correctly but does the inside edge look square (like sharp angle square)
i hope they are not like 80s rollerskates wheels
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In that photo they are, but that's because they come out of the mold that way.  They then machine down the second side on the lathe - which is the other photo.

Full production process can be seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01rIJE4G-fk

love this shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 06, 2019, 08:35:12 PM
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Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.
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He’s gonna need a bigger 14.75” wheelbase

Go with a 8.75” deck (bbs)
159 Indy standards with aftermarket harder blue bushings or black bushings
54-56mm 87a clouds or oj keyframes, shouldn’t need risers.
And splurge for bones Swiss

He’ll be happy and you’ll want to ride his board
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I don’t need your help with anything you said other than the wheels dude. I’m not convincing someone who’s not even sure they want to continue skating to buy $60 bearings. Reds or Mini-Logos are plenty.  Stock bushings are fine for someone just learning to ride a board and if I went aftermarket I’d go Bones Hardcore. Also a 14.75 WB on a 32” deck would be regular.  A Real Full deck is like 8.5, 32.1, 14.35.  Seeing him on my 14.25 31.5 made it clear that it would be a decent length for him.

Just stop talking.  I skate dude I just don’t have experience with the wheels I’m asking about.

So what part of his post screamed aggressive to you.

He recommend those parts because you said your brother is a much bigger and heavier dude, and those parts will accommodate him and make the board feel a whole lot better.

Also AH Grant Taylor decks are 8.5" x 32.5" with a 14.75" WB.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on October 20, 2019, 02:22:00 AM
Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.
Did you think about Powell G-Slides? They are fast,slide and handle rough roads quite well. I rode/slid them for approx. 2 months and they are still in good condition(only lost 3mm). I still like my Oj super juice but now I only use them for extra grip when going fast and need to slow down fast when sliding.(or for the extra smoothness when cruising, super juice are pretty fast on rough roads)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on October 20, 2019, 07:34:21 AM
Id consider getting some minilogo 90 a wheels just because they are cheap.  I think soon enough he'll get his legs and you can put him on some 99's in a few months. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on October 20, 2019, 10:45:07 AM
Riding some ehh 56mm spitfire chargers 80hd..

Picked up F4 54mm conicals.. not sure I wanna throw em on.

I like cruisable wheels up and down my neighborhood tho. Wondering if jumping to 58mm or 60mm would be better.. or clouds or those oj’s instead.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mesteezo on October 20, 2019, 11:26:19 AM
Just put some 56mm Ricta clouds 78A on my cruiser, shit feels so good and I hardly have to push and I can still ollie and powerslides take a little more effort. I think this might be my favorite cruiser wheel now, pushing the G-slides over to 2nd.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on October 20, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
Riding some ehh 56mm spitfire chargers 80hd..

Picked up F4 54mm conicals.. not sure I wanna throw em on.

I like cruisable wheels up and down my neighborhood tho. Wondering if jumping to 58mm or 60mm would be better.. or clouds or those oj’s instead.

Size makes much less of a difference for cruzability than duro. Some 54-56 softer wheels will me way smoother than 60mm hard wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on October 20, 2019, 07:42:53 PM
I am thinking about getting some 53mm OJ Hardline Al Davis wheels. Anyone rode these? I have Spitfire AA's right now. The OJ's any good?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 20, 2019, 08:39:11 PM
I am thinking about getting some 53mm OJ Hardline Al Davis wheels. Anyone rode these? I have Spitfire AA's right now. The OJ's any good?

I rode OJs just before the formula 4s I am now on and I can tell you that...

99a for OJs feel hard and dull.
They have very little rebound and are slow.
You feel the OJs vibrate your feet more on rough roads.
They have a nice slide but not as nice as F4.

The quality of the urethane on the F4 is just so much better.

If you are looking at the elites then I have no history with those.

Maybe send OJ an email and ask them how they compare the elites to F4.

Ron Whaley used to be the product manager so it was cool getting emails from him. He seems pretty honest as well—as honest as you would expect from a company guy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 20, 2019, 10:51:02 PM
Does everyone still agree the f4 lock ins are the best shape f4’s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on October 21, 2019, 05:32:38 AM
I am thinking about getting some 53mm OJ Hardline Al Davis wheels. Anyone rode these? I have Spitfire AA's right now. The OJ's any good?

the elites are decent wheels but anything else oj makes i find abyssmal.

if you like formula fours id say stick with that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on October 21, 2019, 06:03:15 AM
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I am thinking about getting some 53mm OJ Hardline Al Davis wheels. Anyone rode these? I have Spitfire AA's right now. The OJ's any good?
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the elites are decent wheels but anything else oj makes i find abyssmal.

if you like formula fours id say stick with that

Thanks for the input. Ima stick with the Conical Full.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thebacker on October 21, 2019, 06:11:51 AM
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I am thinking about getting some 53mm OJ Hardline Al Davis wheels. Anyone rode these? I have Spitfire AA's right now. The OJ's any good?
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the elites are decent wheels but anything else oj makes i find abyssmal.

if you like formula fours id say stick with that
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Thanks for the input. Ima stick with the Conical Full.
shalom
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 21, 2019, 06:22:23 PM
Does everyone still agree the f4 lock ins are the best shape f4’s?

You can't rotate them and expect the same performance because of the asymmetrical shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 21, 2019, 06:34:34 PM
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Does everyone still agree the f4 lock ins are the best shape f4’s?
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You can't rotate them and expect the same performance because of the asymmetrical shape.

That’s what I was thinking

Since you can’t rotate them are they actually as good as everyone claims
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 21, 2019, 07:57:38 PM
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Does everyone still agree the f4 lock ins are the best shape f4’s?
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You can't rotate them and expect the same performance because of the asymmetrical shape.
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That’s what I was thinking

Since you can’t rotate them are they actually as good as everyone claims

How do you rotate your wheels? I do it like car tires and keep the inside and outside consistent. If you turn the outside inside and vice versa wouldn’t the wheels be double coned?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on October 21, 2019, 10:42:02 PM
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Does everyone still agree the f4 lock ins are the best shape f4’s?
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You can't rotate them and expect the same performance because of the asymmetrical shape.
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That’s what I was thinking

Since you can’t rotate them are they actually as good as everyone claims
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How do you rotate your wheels? I do it like car tires and keep the inside and outside consistent. If you turn the outside inside and vice versa wouldn’t the wheels be double coned?

No. They just wear out more evenly. If I rotate my wheels, they never cone out. If I don't, they do.

I wouldn't get lock ins personally due to that. Never tried them though. Conical Fulls are treating me well and I see no reason to change.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on October 22, 2019, 09:36:34 AM
Does everyone still agree the f4 lock ins are the best shape f4’s?

While I haven't used them on my personal setups, as other have stated because of the asymmetrical shape, not the best shaped F4's. They're still really good from trying them on homies' set-ups.

Best shaped probably will have to go to either Conicals or Radials.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on October 22, 2019, 09:49:04 AM
The wackest. I’ve never had crooked grinds as a go to. And for the longest I could only do these really limp ones to fakie. It’s now a goal to get it solid before I can’t. People that can do them, can do them on any set up, but I was trying to give myself the easiest path: wider board, wider/looser trucks. So of course I’ve glanced at the lock ins and other f4 shapes. The 52 f4 classics work fine, and are maybe a little easier to slide compared to the fuller shapes?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on October 23, 2019, 09:40:19 AM
Nothing beats classic round shaped wheels, for me. I notice no significant difference in locking into grinds on coping or curbs between those and conicals.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on October 23, 2019, 02:07:41 PM
Nothing beats classic round shaped wheels, for me. I notice no significant difference in locking into grinds on coping or curbs between those and conicals.

Thanks for reply to my ridiculousness!
Fulls feel great smashing around, but I already have a hard time sliding (nose/tail).
Classics make my board feel a little more crispy/frisky.
Plus I really should not buy more things. It’s kjnda lame at this point.
Ty
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewbearz on October 23, 2019, 04:55:21 PM
Anyone riding crupie wheels?

I got a two sets super cheap($12 each) and so far I'm liking them.

I'm just now getting back into skating after a long long long break but they seem pretty good. I don't have much of a frame of reference though. They're my first wheels other than some ccs wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on October 23, 2019, 06:30:15 PM
Anyone riding crupie wheels?

I got a two sets super cheap($12 each) and so far I'm liking them.

I'm just now getting back into skating after a long long long break but they seem pretty good. I don't have much of a frame of reference though. They're my first wheels other than some ccs wheels.

I haven't ride them in a while but when I did I liked them. I was able to get them similar to the price you were able to, and for that price they were very very good.

Admittedly, now that I'm back on F4s again, it's going to be hard to switch back to anything else again. My other setup has Bones STF's and the F4's feel so much better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewbearz on October 23, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
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Anyone riding crupie wheels?

I got a two sets super cheap($12 each) and so far I'm liking them.

I'm just now getting back into skating after a long long long break but they seem pretty good. I don't have much of a frame of reference though. They're my first wheels other than some ccs wheels.
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I haven't ride them in a while but when I did I liked them. I was able to get them similar to the price you were able to, and for that price they were very very good.

Admittedly, now that I'm back on F4s again, it's going to be hard to switch back to anything else again. My other setup has Bones STF's and the F4's feel so much better.

I think I'm going to end up switching to F4's or at least away to another wheel because I'm really intrigued by the tablet shape, or at least a wider shape than the crupie wheels. Those seem to bode well with shittier terrain and I'm on the east coast so pretty much all we have out here is rough terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 24, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
I went back to 52mm STF V3s recently (from easy streets/F4s), enjoying them, don't really notice the slim aspect at all, even on transition.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on October 24, 2019, 08:00:07 PM
Hey guys I need some help.

After close to two decades of trying to convince my little brother to pick up a skateboard he finally wants to give it a try.

My brother is a bigger guy, 6’1” with and built like a linebacker, and his main goals are to be able to cruise the streets comfortably and to be able to ollie up and down shit.  We already decided to go with a 8.5” deck since he wears a size 13 and Found my 8-8.25s too small for him.  Probably going for a 32 length and a 14.25-14.5 WB with some Indy’s.

Now I just need to help him decide on what wheels to get. We live in Wisconsin and our roads are complete shit. I also doubt he will be going to skateparks anytime soon.

What do you guys think he should go with? I’ve always rocked 52mm 99-103A STFs and F4s so I have no personal experience with what he’s looking for.  From the little research I’ve done I’m leaning towards Ricta Clouds or some OJ Mini Super Juices.  I was thinking 54-56mm so he can cruise comfortably yet be able to learn tricks and, if he ever chooses to, easily switch to some harder and smaller wheels when he gets better.  I think the OJs would be an easier wheel for him to cruise with but the shape is my main concern.

My current top pick are 54mm Ricta Clouds but even then idk if 78A or 86A would be better.  I love STFs and F4s but I really think 99A would be too much for him to handle.  I’m open to all suggestions.

Thanks for anyone that helps, this is a big deal for me to be able to skate with my brother finally.

99a is too much for him to handle? Must be a pussy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on October 24, 2019, 10:04:39 PM
I went back to 52mm STF V3s recently (from easy streets/F4s), enjoying them, don't really notice the slim aspect at all, even on transition.

Best wheel shape ever.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 25, 2019, 10:52:55 AM
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I went back to 52mm STF V3s recently (from V1 easy streets/F4 classics), enjoying them, don't really notice the slim aspect at all, even on transition.
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Best wheel shape ever.

I wish more companies made this shape; I was bummed when the thin spit classics came and went (and never in 101); Crupie has slims, SML (tho I don't think they make slim V cuts anymore), Wayward went fat so no more round slim, Autobahn is still in limbo it seems, Satori (underrated and underrepresented) still make a super slim wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: concerned_parent on October 31, 2019, 05:42:46 AM
super juice 60mm and mini super juice 55mm

someone sell me on buying these or another good cruiser wheel. currently riding 62mm bones ATF cruiser wheels and they feel a little too mushy sometimes. i've done keyframes before and haven't been a colossal fan.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: concerned_parent on October 31, 2019, 05:43:48 AM
super juice 60mm and mini super juice 55mm

someone sell me on buying these or another good cruiser wheel that i could actually ollie up a curb with and not be overly concerned about something going wrong. currently riding 62mm bones ATF cruiser wheels and they feel a little too mushy sometimes. i've done keyframes before and haven't been a colossal fan.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on October 31, 2019, 06:32:16 AM
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super juice 60mm and mini super juice 55mm

someone sell me on buying these or another good cruiser wheel that i could actually ollie up a curb with and not be overly concerned about something going wrong. currently riding 62mm bones ATF cruiser wheels and they feel a little too mushy sometimes. i've done keyframes before and haven't been a colossal fan.
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the ojs are all a little too soft, wide and square for me. i like the 54mm 87a key frames, feel a little like a beginner's wheel but very easy to manage and decent at keeping speed. also they are much lighter than most other smooth wheels.

still my favorite are 55mm powell ssf, maybe because i have ridden mine for such a long time now (and they are 53-ish) but they just feel best of all cruiser wheels i've tried, even though they are pretty wide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on October 31, 2019, 07:16:49 AM
super juice 60mm and mini super juice 55mm

someone sell me on buying these or another good cruiser wheel. currently riding 62mm bones ATF cruiser wheels and they feel a little too mushy sometimes. i've done keyframes before and haven't been a colossal fan.

I have mini super juices. So the thing I like about these, vs the Other 78/80a soft wheels I’ve used are that they can roll over pretty much anything without chipping or flaking. I think the width allows them to roll over everything while still maintaining speed and they are soft enough where you don’t really feel like you are rolling over anything too rough. The minis are small enough to still do basic flip and ledge tricks. So I can ride rough spots and still do all my (limited) tricks on whatever I’m skating.

The problem I’ve had with other similar sized wheels in 78a is either they get torn apart super quick on rough surfaces (Bones rough riders), or they are too narrow to maintain good speed on these surfaces (smaller Rictas, except the 60mm), or they are simply slow rolling wheels for some reason (Spitfires chargers) or they are too bouncy and hard to ride (90a mini logos but they feel much much softer than that).

So I alternate between the Oj mini super juice and 54/56 mm Ricta clouds in 78a because those are the smoothest, most durable and comfortable soft wheels I’ve come across. The Rictas feel closer to normal street wheels as far as width goes, so I use those more for cruising around the city and hitting spots as I go. The Super juice I ise if I know I’m going to hit some really really crusty spots.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on October 31, 2019, 08:30:27 AM
Was just sold on keyframes in the gear you’re contemplating buying thread. What didn’t you like?
I don’t love the shape of the mini juice wheels.. wanting something a little more classic shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 05, 2019, 07:37:25 AM
Hello fellow kids. Hoping someone could give me the lowdown on difference in wheel shapes from both Spitfire and Bones.

I current have 2 sets of Spitfires (52mm F1 Streetburners and 52mm Lock-Ins), was planning on trying some Bones V2 or V3 for a thinner wheel. I've been practicing BS Tailslides relentlessly over the past few weeks and notice my wheels / baseplate (Thunder Titanium 148mm, read that the the design causes more wheel sliding than baseplate) are sticking. I have the Lock-Ins fixed up to my board at the moment.

My questions would be:
1) Would going for a slimmer (and possibly smaller wheel, 51mm) make a significant difference in slide feel?
2) I'm getting a fair bit of wheel bite when skating flatland, would going to a 51mm help?
3) Should I consider flipping my Lock-Ins inside out? (logo side in)
4) If I went to Bones or Mini-Logos what shape would be good mostly park skating?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: This is my first foray into gear madness. when I started skateboarding in the early 2000s I only bought the cheapest blank wheels (or Mini Logos), swapped trucks without consideration for wheelbase or height, and decks were either big, small, mellow or flat. For the first time in 15 years I'm only just experiencing how little changes to my setup can change the feel of the board in small to drastic ways. I tried my Thunders with and without risers today and could instantly feel the difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 05, 2019, 08:03:02 AM
Hello fellow kids. Hoping someone could give me the lowdown on difference in wheel shapes from both Spitfire and Bones.

I current have 2 sets of Spitfires (52mm F1 Streetburners and 52mm Lock-Ins), was planning on trying some Bones V2 or V3 for a thinner wheel. I've been practicing BS Tailslides relentlessly over the past few weeks and notice my wheels / baseplate (Thunder Titanium 148mm, read that the the design causes more wheel sliding than baseplate) are sticking. I have the Lock-Ins fixed up to my board at the moment.

My questions would be:
1) Would going for a slimmer (and possibly smaller wheel, 51mm) make a significant difference in slide feel?
2) I'm getting a fair bit of wheel bite when skating flatland, would going to a 51mm help?
3) Should I consider flipping my Lock-Ins inside out? (logo side in)
4) If I went to Bones or Mini-Logos what shape would be good mostly park skating?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: This is my first foray into gear madness. when I started skateboarding in the early 2000s I only bought the cheapest blank wheels (or Mini Logos), swapped trucks without consideration for wheelbase or height, and decks were either big, small, mellow or flat. For the first time in 15 years I'm only just experiencing how little changes to my setup can change the feel of the board in small to drastic ways. I tried my Thunders with and without risers today and could instantly feel the difference.

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. Dunno
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 05, 2019, 08:12:30 AM
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Hello fellow kids. Hoping someone could give me the lowdown on difference in wheel shapes from both Spitfire and Bones.

I current have 2 sets of Spitfires (52mm F1 Streetburners and 52mm Lock-Ins), was planning on trying some Bones V2 or V3 for a thinner wheel. I've been practicing BS Tailslides relentlessly over the past few weeks and notice my wheels / baseplate (Thunder Titanium 148mm, read that the the design causes more wheel sliding than baseplate) are sticking. I have the Lock-Ins fixed up to my board at the moment.

My questions would be:
1) Would going for a slimmer (and possibly smaller wheel, 51mm) make a significant difference in slide feel?
2) I'm getting a fair bit of wheel bite when skating flatland, would going to a 51mm help?
3) Should I consider flipping my Lock-Ins inside out? (logo side in)
4) If I went to Bones or Mini-Logos what shape would be good mostly park skating?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: This is my first foray into gear madness. when I started skateboarding in the early 2000s I only bought the cheapest blank wheels (or Mini Logos), swapped trucks without consideration for wheelbase or height, and decks were either big, small, mellow or flat. For the first time in 15 years I'm only just experiencing how little changes to my setup can change the feel of the board in small to drastic ways. I tried my Thunders with and without risers today and could instantly feel the difference.
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1. No
2. No
3. No
4. Dunno

Thanks for the direct reply
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 05, 2019, 02:23:26 PM
Hello fellow kids. Hoping someone could give me the lowdown on difference in wheel shapes from both Spitfire and Bones.

I current have 2 sets of Spitfires (52mm F1 Streetburners and 52mm Lock-Ins), was planning on trying some Bones V2 or V3 for a thinner wheel. I've been practicing BS Tailslides relentlessly over the past few weeks and notice my wheels / baseplate (Thunder Titanium 148mm, read that the the design causes more wheel sliding than baseplate) are sticking. I have the Lock-Ins fixed up to my board at the moment.

My questions would be:
1) Would going for a slimmer (and possibly smaller wheel, 51mm) make a significant difference in slide feel?
2) I'm getting a fair bit of wheel bite when skating flatland, would going to a 51mm help?
3) Should I consider flipping my Lock-Ins inside out? (logo side in)
4) If I went to Bones or Mini-Logos what shape would be good mostly park skating?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: This is my first foray into gear madness. when I started skateboarding in the early 2000s I only bought the cheapest blank wheels (or Mini Logos), swapped trucks without consideration for wheelbase or height, and decks were either big, small, mellow or flat. For the first time in 15 years I'm only just experiencing how little changes to my setup can change the feel of the board in small to drastic ways. I tried my Thunders with and without risers today and could instantly feel the difference.

1. Sizing down on wheels could help with the nose/tail slide issue. Waxing the edge of the ledge would be ideal with thunders. 
2. Sizing down would help with wheel bite.
3. i've never skated spitfires so can't help you
4. I think the shape would depend on what you prefer and what you skate at the park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
1) Resistance feel? Maybe (incoming surface area physics profs.)
2) Yes, depending on how loose your trucks are.
3) Should I consider flipping tossing my Lock-Ins inside out? (logo side in) and getting classics? Yes.
4) 53/54mm Bones V5 or Mini-Logos A-Cut (bigger if you skate tranny or go fast)

Person opinion/preference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 06, 2019, 12:21:26 AM
1) Resistance feel? Maybe (incoming surface area physics profs.)
2) Yes, depending on how loose your trucks are.
3) Should I consider flipping tossing my Lock-Ins inside out? (logo side in) and getting classics? Yes.
4) 53/54mm Bones V5 or Mini-Logos A-Cut (bigger if you skate tranny or go fast)

Person opinion/preference.

1) I'll try being less of a baby during my next session by going faster and waxing the edge of the ledge
2) Been loosening my trucks more in the recent past, not super wobbly but I'm getting a lot of carve
3) I've been studying the diagrams on the Spitfire page and can't visualize the difference, they look incredibly similar off the CAD drawing
4) I was thinking 50mm V3 or V5, my setup is feeling a little too light and poppy at the moment
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gnarfunkell on November 06, 2019, 07:53:43 AM
I'm on my first pair of Bones Easy Streets, which I've skated for over a month now and already had to rotate. I feel like I don't normally have to rotate wheels this soon, and I've been skating the regular STFs for years now.
Anyone have the same issue?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 06, 2019, 08:48:54 AM
Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 06, 2019, 09:07:18 AM
Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers

Been wanting this too. Would like to try a 92a or 87a but the only thing mildly appealing are some smls. Any one have a good wheel they can recommend in that duro? Currently on f4 99 classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on November 06, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
87a keyframes feel good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 06, 2019, 09:35:06 AM
87a keyframes feel good.

Yes!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 06, 2019, 09:37:47 AM
What’s the deal with bones 100s are they the same as a spitfire classic basically? The 100s are only $25 even at locals and I’ve never tried them but if they don’t flat spot super fast I’ll pick them up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 06, 2019, 10:09:56 AM
87a keyframes feel good.
thats what I’m going for next
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 06, 2019, 12:27:40 PM
Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers

Good question, I just tried a set of chargers after swearing off of them a couple years ago (tried three pairs and hated them. Slow and wobbly) . The new ones lasted two/three sessions before the inner core separated from the urethane and sank into the wheel.

Contacted Spitfire and their customer service is fantastic. They are sending me some F4’s to replace them this week
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 06, 2019, 01:08:26 PM
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Been wanting this too. Would like to try a 92a or 87a but the only thing mildly appealing are some smls. Any one have a good wheel they can recommend in that duro? Currently on f4 99 classics.

The SML 92A 54mm really are the best thing I've ever tried in that low 90's range. Spitfire Soft D's 92A (now discontinued) were terrible and Oj's 92A's are horribly slow. If you want a little harder than that the Powell 97A 54mm Ripper wheels are pretty nice, unlike the Slimeballs 97A which didn't handle rough streets any differently than a 99A in my experience with them.

As for the mid to low 80's, I'm currently riding the Bones ATF Rough Riders and the Soft-Slides 86A, although both are a bit too large (56mm) and wide to be something I'll stick with. The regular V1 shaped Bones ATF's are nice too if you want something with a thinner shape, I wish they offered them in a conical shape that wasn't as wide as Rough Riders or Soft-Slides. Keyframes are nice and fast but manufactured so poorly they often cone, chip and chunk then fall apart on me almost as fast as Spitfire 80HD's do. I hated reversing Keyframes since the bearing core isn't truly center-set and the inside of the wheel doesn't have smoothed conical edges, it's all sharp and often has air bubbles so any contact against curbs etc and they fall apart fast for me! I had a really good experience with Acid Chemical Co Pods 55mm 86A. As fast as Keyframes but made in the USA and lasted much longer! I'm trying to stick with all 54mm's though (wheel OCD) so I'm still on the search for my perfect mid and low 80's wheel.

Ricta just re-designed their Cloud series adding a chrome-core and making the shape a bit more of the traditional conical one. I ordered three 54mm sets, one in 92A, 86A and 78A so my whole soft wheel outlook may be changing really soon depending on how those perform. 

...and after all that you really can't go wrong with the Sml 92A. Easily the best all-around wheel I've ever skated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 06, 2019, 01:39:05 PM
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Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers
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Been wanting this too. Would like to try a 92a or 87a but the only thing mildly appealing are some smls. Any one have a good wheel they can recommend in that duro? Currently on f4 99 classics.
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The SML 92A 54mm really are the best thing I've ever tried in that low 90's range. Spitfire Soft D's 92A (now discontinued) were terrible and Oj's 92A's are horribly slow. If you want a little harder than that the Powell 97A 54mm Ripper wheels are pretty nice, unlike the Slimeballs 97A which didn't handle rough streets any differently than a 99A in my experience with them.

As for the mid to low 80's, I'm currently riding the Bones ATF Rough Riders and the Soft-Slides 86A, although both are a bit too large (56mm) and wide to be something I'll stick with. The regular V1 shaped Bones ATF's are nice too if you want something with a thinner shape, I wish they offered them in a conical shape that wasn't as wide as Rough Riders or Soft-Slides. Keyframes are nice and fast but manufactured so poorly they often cone, chip and chunk then fall apart on me almost as fast as Spitfire 80HD's do. I hated reversing Keyframes since the bearing core isn't truly center-set and the inside of the wheel doesn't have smoothed conical edges, it's all sharp and often has air bubbles so any contact against curbs etc and they fall apart fast for me! I had a really good experience with Acid Chemical Co Pods 55mm 86A. As fast as Keyframes but made in the USA and lasted much longer! I'm trying to stick with all 54mm's though (wheel OCD) so I'm still on the search for my perfect mid and low 80's wheel.

Ricta just re-designed their Cloud series adding a chrome-core and making the shape a bit more of the traditional conical one. I ordered three 54mm sets, one in 92A, 86A and 78A so my whole soft wheel outlook may be changing really soon depending on how those perform. 

...and after all that you really can't go wrong with the Sml 92A. Easily the best all-around wheel I've ever skated.

Interesting! Are the Ricta chrome cores a different shape than their normal Ricta clouds? I have the normal Clouds in 54mm and they are probably the best all purpose soft (78a) wheels I’ve tried (Oj super juice minis are also great, just wider so faster than Rictas but harder to do flip and ledge trucks with)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 06, 2019, 02:04:32 PM
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Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers
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Been wanting this too. Would like to try a 92a or 87a but the only thing mildly appealing are some smls. Any one have a good wheel they can recommend in that duro? Currently on f4 99 classics.
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The SML 92A 54mm really are the best thing I've ever tried in that low 90's range. Spitfire Soft D's 92A (now discontinued) were terrible and Oj's 92A's are horribly slow. If you want a little harder than that the Powell 97A 54mm Ripper wheels are pretty nice, unlike the Slimeballs 97A which didn't handle rough streets any differently than a 99A in my experience with them.

As for the mid to low 80's, I'm currently riding the Bones ATF Rough Riders and the Soft-Slides 86A, although both are a bit too large (56mm) and wide to be something I'll stick with. The regular V1 shaped Bones ATF's are nice too if you want something with a thinner shape, I wish they offered them in a conical shape that wasn't as wide as Rough Riders or Soft-Slides. Keyframes are nice and fast but manufactured so poorly they often cone, chip and chunk then fall apart on me almost as fast as Spitfire 80HD's do. I hated reversing Keyframes since the bearing core isn't truly center-set and the inside of the wheel doesn't have smoothed conical edges, it's all sharp and often has air bubbles so any contact against curbs etc and they fall apart fast for me! I had a really good experience with Acid Chemical Co Pods 55mm 86A. As fast as Keyframes but made in the USA and lasted much longer! I'm trying to stick with all 54mm's though (wheel OCD) so I'm still on the search for my perfect mid and low 80's wheel.

Ricta just re-designed their Cloud series adding a chrome-core and making the shape a bit more of the traditional conical one. I ordered three 54mm sets, one in 92A, 86A and 78A so my whole soft wheel outlook may be changing really soon depending on how those perform. 

...and after all that you really can't go wrong with the Sml 92A. Easily the best all-around wheel I've ever skated.

+1

I'm sold on the smls. I'll let you know what I think when they come in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 06, 2019, 02:56:19 PM
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Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers
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Been wanting this too. Would like to try a 92a or 87a but the only thing mildly appealing are some smls. Any one have a good wheel they can recommend in that duro? Currently on f4 99 classics.
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 The SML 92A 54mm really are the best thing I've ever tried in that low 90's range. Spitfire Soft D's 92A (now discontinued) were terrible and Oj's 92A's are horribly slow. If you want a little harder than that the Powell 97A 54mm Ripper wheels are pretty nice, unlike the Slimeballs 97A which didn't handle rough streets any differently than a 99A in my experience with them.

As for the mid to low 80's, I'm currently riding the Bones ATF Rough Riders and the Soft-Slides 86A, although both are a bit too large (56mm) and wide to be something I'll stick with. The regular V1 shaped Bones ATF's are nice too if you want something with a thinner shape, I wish they offered them in a conical shape that wasn't as wide as Rough Riders or Soft-Slides. Keyframes are nice and fast but manufactured so poorly they often cone, chip and chunk then fall apart on me almost as fast as Spitfire 80HD's do. I hated reversing Keyframes since the bearing core isn't truly center-set and the inside of the wheel doesn't have smoothed conical edges, it's all sharp and often has air bubbles so any contact against curbs etc and they fall apart fast for me! I had a really good experience with Acid Chemical Co Pods 55mm 86A. As fast as Keyframes but made in the USA and lasted much longer! I'm trying to stick with all 54mm's though (wheel OCD) so I'm still on the search for my perfect mid and low 80's wheel.

Ricta just re-designed their Cloud series adding a chrome-core and making the shape a bit more of the traditional conical one. I ordered three 54mm sets, one in 92A, 86A and 78A so my whole soft wheel outlook may be changing really soon depending on how those perform. 

...and after all that you really can't go wrong with the Sml 92A. Easily the best all-around wheel I've ever skated.
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Interesting! Are the Ricta chrome cores a different shape than their normal Ricta clouds? I have the normal Clouds in 54mm and they are probably the best all purpose soft (78a) wheels I’ve tried (Oj super juice minis are also great, just wider so faster than Rictas but harder to do flip and ledge trucks with)

From the online photos I've seen of the different angles they look a little bit different. More conical, comparable to the Rapido Wides and slightly less rounded. They look to be shaped and machined exactly the same on both sides too, the previous versions have slight differences. Hopefully the 86A versions have a truly center-set core now as well. The photos on the Skatewarehouse site https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ricta_Skateboard_Wheels/catpage-WHRICTA.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ricta_Skateboard_Wheels/catpage-WHRICTA.html) show the different angles pretty well. I'll post photos of them when they get here. I'm in Okinawa though so they're gonna take a week or four to get here.

I have some Mini-Juices too. Great for going over the sewer grates here but just a bit too wide for my liking and once again, the bearings aren't center-set for some reason.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 06, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
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Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers
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Been wanting this too. Would like to try a 92a or 87a but the only thing mildly appealing are some smls. Any one have a good wheel they can recommend in that duro? Currently on f4 99 classics.
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The SML 92A 54mm really are the best thing I've ever tried in that low 90's range. Spitfire Soft D's 92A (now discontinued) were terrible and Oj's 92A's are horribly slow. If you want a little harder than that the Powell 97A 54mm Ripper wheels are pretty nice, unlike the Slimeballs 97A which didn't handle rough streets any differently than a 99A in my experience with them.

As for the mid to low 80's, I'm currently riding the Bones ATF Rough Riders and the Soft-Slides 86A, although both are a bit too large (56mm) and wide to be something I'll stick with. The regular V1 shaped Bones ATF's are nice too if you want something with a thinner shape, I wish they offered them in a conical shape that wasn't as wide as Rough Riders or Soft-Slides. Keyframes are nice and fast but manufactured so poorly they often cone, chip and chunk then fall apart on me almost as fast as Spitfire 80HD's do. I hated reversing Keyframes since the bearing core isn't truly center-set and the inside of the wheel doesn't have smoothed conical edges, it's all sharp and often has air bubbles so any contact against curbs etc and they fall apart fast for me! I had a really good experience with Acid Chemical Co Pods 55mm 86A. As fast as Keyframes but made in the USA and lasted much longer! I'm trying to stick with all 54mm's though (wheel OCD) so I'm still on the search for my perfect mid and low 80's wheel.

Ricta just re-designed their Cloud series adding a chrome-core and making the shape a bit more of the traditional conical one. I ordered three 54mm sets, one in 92A, 86A and 78A so my whole soft wheel outlook may be changing really soon depending on how those perform. 

...and after all that you really can't go wrong with the Sml 92A. Easily the best all-around wheel I've ever skated.
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+1

I'm sold on the smls. I'll let you know what I think when they come in.

If someone said I could only skate one wheel for the rest of my skating days, those Sml 92A's would be my current pick. Jack of all trades, master of none but they're actually fast (unlike most 92A wheels) and I can actually skate pretty much any terrain well on them. Hope they work out for you!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on November 06, 2019, 06:05:16 PM
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If someone said I could only skate one wheel for the rest of my skating days, those[b
Sml 92A's[/b] would be my current pick. Jack of all trades, master of none but they're actually fast (unlike most 92A wheels) and I can actually skate pretty much any terrain well on them. Hope they work out for you!

I've been happy with my keyframes as all arounders, but I've been seriously considering these. Is there any slide to them? Not so much for powersliding but avoiding getting pitched on wheelbites. I get lulled into a false sense of security with the keyframes and end up getting thrown from a too-hard carve or a sloppy landing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 06, 2019, 06:15:51 PM
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Sml 92A's[/b] would be my current pick. Jack of all trades, master of none but they're actually fast (unlike most 92A wheels) and I can actually skate pretty much any terrain well on them. Hope they work out for you!
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I've been happy with my keyframes as all arounders, but I've been seriously considering these. Is there any slide to them? Not so much for powersliding but avoiding getting pitched on wheelbites. I get lulled into a false sense of security with the keyframes and end up getting thrown from a too-hard carve or a sloppy landing.
just watched this after reading through the replies earlier. Solid discussion and I’m considering keyframes or these now. I rarely get to ride on smooth/skatepark stuff so I do want the comfort.

https://youtu.be/29co2ZAfJ7A
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 06, 2019, 06:22:57 PM
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If someone said I could only skate one wheel for the rest of my skating days, those[b
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Sml 92A's[/b] would be my current pick. Jack of all trades, master of none but they're actually fast (unlike most 92A wheels) and I can actually skate pretty much any terrain well on them. Hope they work out for you!
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I've been happy with my keyframes as all arounders, but I've been seriously considering these. Is there any slide to them? Not so much for powersliding but avoiding getting pitched on wheelbites. I get lulled into a false sense of security with the keyframes and end up getting thrown from a too-hard carve or a sloppy landing.

They'll slide a little, not much though. All depends on the surface you're skating. You can still easily get wheelbite depending on your truck/riser situation but it's a bit easier to handle with these and you're less likely to get tossed like you would with a wheel in mid-80's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 06, 2019, 06:25:13 PM
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Sml 92A's[/b] would be my current pick. Jack of all trades, master of none but they're actually fast (unlike most 92A wheels) and I can actually skate pretty much any terrain well on them. Hope they work out for you!
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I've been happy with my keyframes as all arounders, but I've been seriously considering these. Is there any slide to them? Not so much for powersliding but avoiding getting pitched on wheelbites. I get lulled into a false sense of security with the keyframes and end up getting thrown from a too-hard carve or a sloppy landing.
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just watched this after reading through the replies earlier. Solid discussion and I’m considering keyframes or these now. I rarely get to ride on smooth/skatepark stuff so I do want the comfort.

https://youtu.be/29co2ZAfJ7A

Ha! I'm actually the one who sent those to Ben to try out and review. They work great here in Okinawa on the crappy roads. I have a lot of fun on them for sure!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 06, 2019, 06:42:57 PM
Oh that’s awesome @ohthembones
Thnx for the insight, didn’t know keyframes weren’t centered set. Riding spit chargers now, wanna try something diff. SML 92a, keyframes 87a, or clouds 87a I guess I’m deciding between.

“Slide *enough* for a bs tail”
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzlS54SBFCj/?igshid=19o1bdcr2twr6

(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SLASWH-540-3.jpg&nw=500)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 06, 2019, 08:18:16 PM
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Why doesn’t spitfire make a decent wheel <99a? Haven’t heard one positive review of the chargers
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Been wanting this too. Would like to try a 92a or 87a but the only thing mildly appealing are some smls. Any one have a good wheel they can recommend in that duro? Currently on f4 99 classics.
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 The SML 92A 54mm really are the best thing I've ever tried in that low 90's range. Spitfire Soft D's 92A (now discontinued) were terrible and Oj's 92A's are horribly slow. If you want a little harder than that the Powell 97A 54mm Ripper wheels are pretty nice, unlike the Slimeballs 97A which didn't handle rough streets any differently than a 99A in my experience with them.

As for the mid to low 80's, I'm currently riding the Bones ATF Rough Riders and the Soft-Slides 86A, although both are a bit too large (56mm) and wide to be something I'll stick with. The regular V1 shaped Bones ATF's are nice too if you want something with a thinner shape, I wish they offered them in a conical shape that wasn't as wide as Rough Riders or Soft-Slides. Keyframes are nice and fast but manufactured so poorly they often cone, chip and chunk then fall apart on me almost as fast as Spitfire 80HD's do. I hated reversing Keyframes since the bearing core isn't truly center-set and the inside of the wheel doesn't have smoothed conical edges, it's all sharp and often has air bubbles so any contact against curbs etc and they fall apart fast for me! I had a really good experience with Acid Chemical Co Pods 55mm 86A. As fast as Keyframes but made in the USA and lasted much longer! I'm trying to stick with all 54mm's though (wheel OCD) so I'm still on the search for my perfect mid and low 80's wheel.

Ricta just re-designed their Cloud series adding a chrome-core and making the shape a bit more of the traditional conical one. I ordered three 54mm sets, one in 92A, 86A and 78A so my whole soft wheel outlook may be changing really soon depending on how those perform. 

...and after all that you really can't go wrong with the Sml 92A. Easily the best all-around wheel I've ever skated.
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Interesting! Are the Ricta chrome cores a different shape than their normal Ricta clouds? I have the normal Clouds in 54mm and they are probably the best all purpose soft (78a) wheels I’ve tried (Oj super juice minis are also great, just wider so faster than Rictas but harder to do flip and ledge trucks with)
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From the online photos I've seen of the different angles they look a little bit different. More conical, comparable to the Rapido Wides and slightly less rounded. They look to be shaped and machined exactly the same on both sides too, the previous versions have slight differences. Hopefully the 86A versions have a truly center-set core now as well. The photos on the Skatewarehouse site https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ricta_Skateboard_Wheels/catpage-WHRICTA.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ricta_Skateboard_Wheels/catpage-WHRICTA.html) show the different angles pretty well. I'll post photos of them when they get here. I'm in Okinawa though so they're gonna take a week or four to get here.

I have some Mini-Juices too. Great for going over the sewer grates here but just a bit too wide for my liking and once again, the bearings aren't center-set for some reason.

Gotcha, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 08, 2019, 07:53:01 AM
Oh that’s awesome @ohthembones
Thnx for the insight, didn’t know keyframes weren’t centered set. Riding spit chargers now, wanna try something diff. SML 92a, keyframes 87a, or clouds 87a I guess I’m deciding between.

“Slide *enough* for a bs tail”
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzlS54SBFCj/?igshid=19o1bdcr2twr6

(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SLASWH-540-3.jpg&nw=500)

I just ordered these. Was torn but a lot of people mentioned the OJs are a little sluggish and tougher to slide. Excited to try something else besides spits. I do have the Mike Anderson sfw on deck too although it's not exactly what I'm looking for duro wise. Still hoping for a f4 version in case this experiment goes horribly wrong.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 10, 2019, 05:17:55 PM
Found a pair of Autobahn Dual Duro wheels in 51mm, been looking for a slight smaller, slimmer wheel.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/autobahn-joey-brezinski-pro-dual-duro-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p8070

Worth coping a pair for $10? They are lightly used.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on November 10, 2019, 05:33:41 PM
What are the fastest wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on November 11, 2019, 08:19:22 AM
What are the fastest wheels?
Probably Bones SPF 60mm v5
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on November 11, 2019, 10:26:12 AM
Found a pair of Autobahn Dual Duro wheels in 51mm, been looking for a slight smaller, slimmer wheel.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/autobahn-joey-brezinski-pro-dual-duro-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p8070

Worth coping a pair for $10? They are lightly used.

I mean if it's that exact pair I'd probably say no even at $10. The urethane has probably aged up pretty badly, since Joey hasn't been on Autobahn for a while.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 11, 2019, 04:58:58 PM
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Found a pair of Autobahn Dual Duro wheels in 51mm, been looking for a slight smaller, slimmer wheel.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/autobahn-joey-brezinski-pro-dual-duro-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p8070

Worth coping a pair for $10? They are lightly used.
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I mean if it's that exact pair I'd probably say no even at $10. The urethane has probably aged up pretty badly, since Joey Autobahn hasn't been on Autobahn for a while.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 11, 2019, 05:27:58 PM
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Found a pair of Autobahn Dual Duro wheels in 51mm, been looking for a slight smaller, slimmer wheel.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/autobahn-joey-brezinski-pro-dual-duro-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p8070

Worth coping a pair for $10? They are lightly used.
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I mean if it's that exact pair I'd probably say no even at $10. The urethane has probably aged up pretty badly, since Joey hasn't been on Autobahn for a while.

Thanks fam, I guess I will save my money for a pair of Spitfire classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on November 11, 2019, 06:59:10 PM
What are the fastest wheels?

https://sk8supply.com/products/platipus-off-road-skateboard-wheels-kit

Other than that it will depend on the ground you’ll skate
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on November 11, 2019, 08:05:53 PM
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Probably Bones SPF 60mm v5

How much slower would 58mm be?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nth syd bear on November 12, 2019, 02:01:33 AM
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What are the fastest wheels?
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Probably Bones SPF 60mm v5
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How much slower would 58mm be?
exactly 0.2 mph slower
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: animalflesh on November 12, 2019, 06:24:16 AM
Lmao ^
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
My assortment of the new Ricta Clouds came in a couple days ago and I've been riding all three of them around on different setups. First impression is that all three are great and with small improvements over the older ones. They all have the same more traditional conical shape (similar contact patch to Spitfire Conical Fulls) with a ground finish (no more treads or excess urethane rings around the wheels. The cores are a definite step up as well!

(https://i.imgur.com/7rtidxB.jpg)

78A - Feels like the same fast and floaty (and somewhat bouncy) ride the originals have, no difference here other than the improved core and shape. I got these in 54 and 56mm and noticed the contact patch was exactly the same.

86A - Still very fast and no more treads. Bearing core is now center-set on these as well so they're truly reversible. They also come in 54mm now.

92A - These feel faster than the previous version which I skated a few times then ditched. I'd call them a hard 92A because the core makes them a bit noisier and they feel closer to 95A to me. The core makes them faster though and I was able to get them to slide (speed check) a bit easier than the Sml 92A's I also skate. When rolling out of my driveway onto the road these picked up speed quick with little pushing, I really liked them a lot!

Speaking of the Sml 92A's, which I call a soft 92A as they feel more like 88-90A to me. I would place them right in the middle of the 86A and 92A Rictas. Not as hard as the Ricta 92A nor quite as fast (depending on the surface) but quieter and a little more grippy like the 86A Rictas. If you can't decide between the two and only want one wheel then the Sml wheels are a perfect choice.

I'll post again if I have any manufacturing or wear issues with the Rictas. The sewer and irrigation grates where I live in Okinawa can shred a poorly made cored wheel with one unlucky rollover (ahem Spitfire 80HD Chargers) but I intentionally went over a lot of rough ones yesterday and there was no chunking or visible damage.

Let me know if there's any questions and I'll try to get the answers. :) Now I'm off to have more fun on these wheels!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
My assortment of the new Ricta Clouds came in a couple days ago and I've been riding all three of them around on different setups. First impression is that all three are great and with small improvements over the older ones. They all have the same more traditional conical shape (similar contact patch to Spitfire Conical Fulls) with a ground finish (no more treads or excess urethane rings around the wheels. The cores are a definite step up as well!

(https://i.imgur.com/7rtidxB.jpg)

78A - Feels like the same fast and floaty (and somewhat bouncy) ride the originals have, no difference here other than the improved core and shape. I got these in 54 and 56mm and noticed the contact patch was exactly the same.

86A - Still very fast and no more treads. Bearing core is now center-set on these as well so they're truly reversible. They also come in 54mm now.

92A - These feel faster than the previous version which I skated a few times then ditched. I'd call them a hard 92A because the core makes them a bit noisier and they feel closer to 95A to me. The core makes them faster though and I was able to get them to slide (speed check) a bit easier than the Sml 92A's I also skate. When rolling out of my driveway onto the road these picked up speed quick with little pushing, I really liked them a lot!

Speaking of the Sml 92A's, which I call a soft 92A as they feel more like 88-90A to me. I would place them right in the middle of the 86A and 92A Rictas. Not as hard as the Ricta 92A nor quite as fast (depending on the surface) but quieter and a little more grippy like the 86A Rictas. If you can't decide between the two and only want one wheel then the Sml wheels are a perfect choice.

I'll post again if I have any manufacturing or wear issues with the Rictas. The sewer and irrigation grates where I live in Okinawa can shred a poorly made cored wheel with one unlucky rollover (ahem Spitfire 80HD Chargers) but I intentionally went over a lot of rough ones yesterday and there was no chunking or visible damage.

Let me know if there's any questions and I'll try to get the answers. :) Now I'm off to have more fun on these wheels!

I've always been a fan of Rictas, I'm not riding the new cored clouds but riding the 53mm 99a crome cores and they're great. more like a 100? they just feel a tad bit harder than most 99s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 05:43:43 PM
I've always been a fan of Rictas, I'm not riding the new cored clouds but riding the 53mm 99a crome cores and they're great. more like a 100? they just feel a tad bit harder than most 99s.

I imagine that core on a hard wheel does make them feel a bit harder. The roads here are rough but slick and I’ve been enjoying the Bones Easy Streets over my usual Formula Fours lately but I am curious about the Ricta Rapido 99A Slims. I never thought I’d ever venture away from F4’s but they’re just a bit too slippery and chattery on the streets around my new home.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 14, 2019, 06:07:05 PM
My assortment of the new Ricta Clouds came in a couple days ago and I've been riding all three of them around on different setups. First impression is that all three are great and with small improvements over the older ones. They all have the same more traditional conical shape (similar contact patch to Spitfire Conical Fulls) with a ground finish (no more treads or excess urethane rings around the wheels. The cores are a definite step up as well!

(https://i.imgur.com/7rtidxB.jpg)

78A - Feels like the same fast and floaty (and somewhat bouncy) ride the originals have, no difference here other than the improved core and shape. I got these in 54 and 56mm and noticed the contact patch was exactly the same.

86A - Still very fast and no more treads. Bearing core is now center-set on these as well so they're truly reversible. They also come in 54mm now.

92A - These feel faster than the previous version which I skated a few times then ditched. I'd call them a hard 92A because the core makes them a bit noisier and they feel closer to 95A to me. The core makes them faster though and I was able to get them to slide (speed check) a bit easier than the Sml 92A's I also skate. When rolling out of my driveway onto the road these picked up speed quick with little pushing, I really liked them a lot!

Speaking of the Sml 92A's, which I call a soft 92A as they feel more like 88-90A to me. I would place them right in the middle of the 86A and 92A Rictas. Not as hard as the Ricta 92A nor quite as fast (depending on the surface) but quieter and a little more grippy like the 86A Rictas. If you can't decide between the two and only want one wheel then the Sml wheels are a perfect choice.

I'll post again if I have any manufacturing or wear issues with the Rictas. The sewer and irrigation grates where I live in Okinawa can shred a poorly made cored wheel with one unlucky rollover (ahem Spitfire 80HD Chargers) but I intentionally went over a lot of rough ones yesterday and there was no chunking or visible damage.

Let me know if there's any questions and I'll try to get the answers. :) Now I'm off to have more fun on these wheels!

awesome write up thanks for the comparison. And tying in the SML as well. Any experience with OJ keyframe 87a and how they fit in?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 14, 2019, 06:24:05 PM
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My assortment of the new Ricta Clouds came in a couple days ago and I've been riding all three of them around on different setups. First impression is that all three are great and with small improvements over the older ones. They all have the same more traditional conical shape (similar contact patch to Spitfire Conical Fulls) with a ground finish (no more treads or excess urethane rings around the wheels. The cores are a definite step up as well!

(https://i.imgur.com/7rtidxB.jpg)

78A - Feels like the same fast and floaty (and somewhat bouncy) ride the originals have, no difference here other than the improved core and shape. I got these in 54 and 56mm and noticed the contact patch was exactly the same.

86A - Still very fast and no more treads. Bearing core is now center-set on these as well so they're truly reversible. They also come in 54mm now.

92A - These feel faster than the previous version which I skated a few times then ditched. I'd call them a hard 92A because the core makes them a bit noisier and they feel closer to 95A to me. The core makes them faster though and I was able to get them to slide (speed check) a bit easier than the Sml 92A's I also skate. When rolling out of my driveway onto the road these picked up speed quick with little pushing, I really liked them a lot!

Speaking of the Sml 92A's, which I call a soft 92A as they feel more like 88-90A to me. I would place them right in the middle of the 86A and 92A Rictas. Not as hard as the Ricta 92A nor quite as fast (depending on the surface) but quieter and a little more grippy like the 86A Rictas. If you can't decide between the two and only want one wheel then the Sml wheels are a perfect choice.

I'll post again if I have any manufacturing or wear issues with the Rictas. The sewer and irrigation grates where I live in Okinawa can shred a poorly made cored wheel with one unlucky rollover (ahem Spitfire 80HD Chargers) but I intentionally went over a lot of rough ones yesterday and there was no chunking or visible damage.

Let me know if there's any questions and I'll try to get the answers. :) Now I'm off to have more fun on these wheels!

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awesome write up thanks for the comparison. And tying in the SML as well. Any experience with OJ keyframe 87a and how they fit in?

Sure thing! Keyframes feel about the same as 86A Rictas speed-wise on smoother surfaces but just a tad harder and slower on rough surfaces. Regarding build quality I think the Rictas are much better. Keyframe cores are slightly off-center, made of cheaper plastic and the shape of the wheel isn't the same on both sides. On one side you get the rounded conical edge and the other side has a sharp conical edge that often has air bubbles in it and I've shredded/chunked with mild curb contact. I've pretty much sworn off Keyframes and Spitfire 80HD Charges because of their build quality. Also, the ground finish of the Rictas makes them a bit easier to get into a slide than Keyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 14, 2019, 06:32:34 PM
Happy to see Ricta getting some love on this thread. I've been looking at Bones STF 51mm V1s to replace my old Spitfire Formula 1 Streetburners, they feel very slick on Skatelite
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 15, 2019, 08:56:45 AM
Are Pig wheels any good? Saw some sellers on AliExpress selling them pretty cheap:

SG$ 29.02  33%OFF | USA Brand 4PCS Skateboard Wheels 51/52/53/54/55/56mm Skate Wheel Hot Sale 101A PU Wheels for Skateboarding Truck Accessories
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/ExnQOlLw
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 15, 2019, 02:48:49 PM
Speaking of cheap.. can score some steals at Vans stores usually, at least around me. Had some F4 for $15-20 (black, smaller sizes, etc) and also some classics for $10 or more. Last set type deal if you catch it right.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 15, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
Speaking of cheap.. can score some steals at Vans stores usually, at least around me. Had some F4 for $15-20 (black, smaller sizes, etc) and also some classics for $10 or more. Last set type deal if you catch it right.
Death to black wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 15, 2019, 08:04:24 PM
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Speaking of cheap.. can score some steals at Vans stores usually, at least around me. Had some F4 for $15-20 (black, smaller sizes, etc) and also some classics for $10 or more. Last set type deal if you catch it right.
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Death to black wheels
Yeah won’t do black wheels. In the glass case they looked “normal” F4 white too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 16, 2019, 12:18:12 AM
Do wheels go bad?

Like if you don’t skate them or let them get can they actually dry out and just not skate well anymore?

I’m wondering cause I’ve had this old set of 1 year old f4 and they’re a little more yellow than fresh and I can’t tell if they’ve stiffen up or are still fine

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: anon on November 16, 2019, 02:57:48 PM
Do wheels go bad?

Like if you don’t skate them or let them get can they actually dry out and just not skate well anymore?

I’m wondering cause I’ve had this old set of 1 year old f4 and they’re a little more yellow than fresh and I can’t tell if they’ve stiffen up or are still fine
sometimes i want to stock up on wheels when there's a sale but i'm afraid they'll go bad. i wonder if bushings and pivot cups go bad
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on November 16, 2019, 03:50:37 PM
Do wheels go bad?

Like if you don’t skate them or let them get can they actually dry out and just not skate well anymore?

I’m wondering cause I’ve had this old set of 1 year old f4 and they’re a little more yellow than fresh and I can’t tell if they’ve stiffen up or are still fine

Sure, urethane can degrade but it's sort of relative when it comes to skate gear. UV light is the most destructive thing (which is why if you see rubber tires or urethane car parts left in the elements they're more or less fucked), and then as urethane is mildly porous you have to worry about moisture (which is why you can rit dye wheels etc.). But as long as you keep them somewhere in a relatively stable temp, out of direct light, and dry (i.e a box in a closet), there's no reason things like wheels and bushings can't last for a very long time. Which is why you have people who exclusively sell NOS Powell wheels and Bennett/Variflex bushings and whatever else.

Will they be as crispy as something poured last week? No, but then again, those F4's you just bought might have been poured 3 years ago at this point. Keeping wheels and truck parts fresh is a hell of a lot easier than keeping a yet-to-be skated deck lying around unwarped.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on November 17, 2019, 12:22:13 AM
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Do wheels go bad?

Like if you don’t skate them or let them get can they actually dry out and just not skate well anymore?

I’m wondering cause I’ve had this old set of 1 year old f4 and they’re a little more yellow than fresh and I can’t tell if they’ve stiffen up or are still fine
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Sure, urethane can degrade but it's sort of relative when it comes to skate gear. UV light is the most destructive thing (which is why if you see rubber tires or urethane car parts left in the elements they're more or less fucked), and then as urethane is mildly porous you have to worry about moisture (which is why you can rit dye wheels etc.). But as long as you keep them somewhere in a relatively stable temp, out of direct light, and dry (i.e a box in a closet), there's no reason things like wheels and bushings can't last for a very long time. Which is why you have people who exclusively sell NOS Powell wheels and Bennett/Variflex bushings and whatever else.

Will they be as crispy as something poured last week? No, but then again, those F4's you just bought might have been poured 3 years ago at this point. Keeping wheels and truck parts fresh is a hell of a lot easier than keeping a yet-to-be skated deck lying around unwarped.

Thanks this is the exact kind of answer I was looking for because I’m wondering if I would be feeling the same feels for my wheels even though they look crusted over

Like I know when spit classics and those kind of wheels yellow out they kinda harden up too

Yeah it sucks preserving decks only to find out they got a little warped
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on November 17, 2019, 03:09:04 PM
What are you guys riding on Skatelite?  I’m in love with 52-53mm 99a Radial Slims for pretty much everything other than Skatelite transition.  It’s not horrible but it’s still way too slick in the half pipe and bowl at my local.

I’ve heard Easy Streets are a lot more sticky than F4s but 99a is still quite hard so I’m a bit skeptical.  I also am considering Ricta Clouds in 92a but I’m worried that those will be too soft for things like nose slides.  I guess it’s hard to get the best of both worlds so I might just need to bring two different setups if I plan on skating transition that day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on November 17, 2019, 07:52:19 PM
Keep your wheels in the fridge or freezer in a paper bag
Stay fresh and white
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on November 17, 2019, 09:02:13 PM
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My assortment of the new Ricta Clouds came in a couple days ago and I've been riding all three of them around on different setups. First impression is that all three are great and with small improvements over the older ones. They all have the same more traditional conical shape (similar contact patch to Spitfire Conical Fulls) with a ground finish (no more treads or excess urethane rings around the wheels. The cores are a definite step up as well!

(https://i.imgur.com/7rtidxB.jpg)

78A - Feels like the same fast and floaty (and somewhat bouncy) ride the originals have, no difference here other than the improved core and shape. I got these in 54 and 56mm and noticed the contact patch was exactly the same.

86A - Still very fast and no more treads. Bearing core is now center-set on these as well so they're truly reversible. They also come in 54mm now.

92A - These feel faster than the previous version which I skated a few times then ditched. I'd call them a hard 92A because the core makes them a bit noisier and they feel closer to 95A to me. The core makes them faster though and I was able to get them to slide (speed check) a bit easier than the Sml 92A's I also skate. When rolling out of my driveway onto the road these picked up speed quick with little pushing, I really liked them a lot!

Speaking of the Sml 92A's, which I call a soft 92A as they feel more like 88-90A to me. I would place them right in the middle of the 86A and 92A Rictas. Not as hard as the Ricta 92A nor quite as fast (depending on the surface) but quieter and a little more grippy like the 86A Rictas. If you can't decide between the two and only want one wheel then the Sml wheels are a perfect choice.

I'll post again if I have any manufacturing or wear issues with the Rictas. The sewer and irrigation grates where I live in Okinawa can shred a poorly made cored wheel with one unlucky rollover (ahem Spitfire 80HD Chargers) but I intentionally went over a lot of rough ones yesterday and there was no chunking or visible damage.

Let me know if there's any questions and I'll try to get the answers. :) Now I'm off to have more fun on these wheels!

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awesome write up thanks for the comparison. And tying in the SML as well. Any experience with OJ keyframe 87a and how they fit in?
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Sure thing! Keyframes feel about the same as 86A Rictas speed-wise on smoother surfaces but just a tad harder and slower on rough surfaces. Regarding build quality I think the Rictas are much better. Keyframe cores are slightly off-center, made of cheaper plastic and the shape of the wheel isn't the same on both sides. On one side you get the rounded conical edge and the other side has a sharp conical edge that often has air bubbles in it and I've shredded/chunked with mild curb contact. I've pretty much sworn off Keyframes and Spitfire 80HD Charges because of their build quality. Also, the ground finish of the Rictas makes them a bit easier to get into a slide than Keyframes.

By the look of those Rictas, keyframes sound amazing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 17, 2019, 09:37:47 PM
What are you guys riding on Skatelite?  I’m in love with 52-53mm 99a Radial Slims for pretty much everything other than Skatelite transition.  It’s not horrible but it’s still way too slick in the half pipe and bowl at my local.

I’ve heard Easy Streets are a lot more sticky than F4s but 99a is still quite hard so I’m a bit skeptical.  I also am considering Ricta Clouds in 92a but I’m worried that those will be too soft for things like nose slides.  I guess it’s hard to get the best of both worlds so I might just need to bring two different setups if I plan on skating transition that day.

Easy streets were slippery as fuck on a plywood mini. Completely unpredictable wheel compared to F4s IMO. Maybe the 97A Slime Balls could be good for slippery indoor skating? I've only tested them on my mate's setup for a few tricks on a slippery shop floor though and I was focusing on the deck so I've got no real view on how they perform.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on November 17, 2019, 09:57:56 PM
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What are you guys riding on Skatelite?  I’m in love with 52-53mm 99a Radial Slims for pretty much everything other than Skatelite transition.  It’s not horrible but it’s still way too slick in the half pipe and bowl at my local.

I’ve heard Easy Streets are a lot more sticky than F4s but 99a is still quite hard so I’m a bit skeptical.  I also am considering Ricta Clouds in 92a but I’m worried that those will be too soft for things like nose slides.  I guess it’s hard to get the best of both worlds so I might just need to bring two different setups if I plan on skating transition that day.
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Easy streets were slippery as fuck on a plywood mini. Completely unpredictable wheel compared to F4s IMO. Maybe the 97A Slime Balls could be good for slippery indoor skating? I've only tested them on my mate's setup for a few tricks on a slippery shop floor though and I was focusing on the deck so I've got no real view on how they perform.

Damn I was going off Ben Degros saying the Easy Streets were stickier than 99a F4s and he could skate them on Skatelite. He said they weren’t ideal though and dude is a much better skater than I’ll ever be so I was skeptical.

Good call on the Slime Balls. My local indoor carries a decent amount of wheels but it seems like that’s what they sell and carry the most of. I was thinking it was due to groms buying up colored wheels but them being good on Skatelite makes sense.  I’m gonna borrow one of those kid’s boards and see how I like them and report back to this thread.

I’d just stick with 99a F4s but I’ve been itching to learn transition since I’m only getting older.  I also saw a gnarly slam yesterday.  Dude dropped in and pushed hard to clear a ten foot euro for a gap contest and slipped out right before a down ramp. Went straight to flat (concrete) and the platform is 5 feet tall.  Worst part is he was max speed and wasn’t expecting it and landed full force in his shoulder.

I fucking hate Skatelite.  Fucking Wisconsin winters man...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on November 18, 2019, 12:17:43 AM
Hi, I need your advice:
I need some wheels to practice street and can't decide between Bones stf and Spitfire Formula 4. Which one has the faster rollspeed? Which durometer is better for normal /rough asphalt? 103a 101a or 99a?

Other suggestions?

I'm a bit clueless since I didn't ride hard wheels for quite a long time.
Thanks

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on November 18, 2019, 04:31:03 AM
I was slipping out a lot on F4s at the local indoor park, but have been having decent luck with Slime Balls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 18, 2019, 05:35:17 AM
Hi, I need your advice:
I need some wheels to practice street and can't decide between Bones stf and Spitfire Formula 4. Which one has the faster rollspeed? Which durometer is better for normal /rough asphalt? 103a 101a or 99a?

Other suggestions?

I'm a bit clueless since I didn't ride hard wheels for quite a long time.
Thanks

Where will you be doing most of your skating? If you're just starting out and learning to roll around, I would save the money and go with a set of blank wheels. Yes, you'll outgrow them but I really don't see a point in spending twice the amount on a pair of Spitfires when you're just learning to roll around and maybe pop some ollies.

Mini Logo wheels are a good choice for a starting setup, can't go wrong with that price.

Again, if you're starting out, Spitfires / Bones / 99a / 101a won't have a great impact on your speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 18, 2019, 05:45:19 AM
My assortment of the new Ricta Clouds came in a couple days ago and I've been riding all three of them around on different setups. First impression is that all three are great and with small improvements over the older ones. They all have the same more traditional conical shape (similar contact patch to Spitfire Conical Fulls) with a ground finish (no more treads or excess urethane rings around the wheels. The cores are a definite step up as well!

(https://i.imgur.com/7rtidxB.jpg)

Let me know if there's any questions and I'll try to get the answers. :) Now I'm off to have more fun on these wheels!

Even tho the new clouds are an upgrade in what seems every way, I can’t get over the shiny core appearance. They look like fake/toy wheels. How are they worn in a bit?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on November 18, 2019, 06:37:18 AM
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Hi, I need your advice:
I need some wheels to practice street and can't decide between Bones stf and Spitfire Formula 4. Which one has the faster rollspeed? Which durometer is better for normal /rough asphalt? 103a 101a or 99a?

Other suggestions?

I'm a bit clueless since I didn't ride hard wheels for quite a long time.
Thanks
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Where will you be doing most of your skating? If you're just starting out and learning to roll around, I would save the money and go with a set of blank wheels. Yes, you'll outgrow them but I really don't see a point in spending twice the amount on a pair of Spitfires when you're just learning to roll around and maybe pop some ollies.

Mini Logo wheels are a good choice for a starting setup, can't go wrong with that price.

Again, if you're starting out, Spitfires / Bones / 99a / 101a won't have a great impact on your speed.

I do small hillbombs, sliding, Ollie's, trying fliptricks(not very successful).Learning to roll around is not what I intended. I wanted harder wheels for more tolerance
for landing tricks but I still want to be able to reach decent speed/distance while pushing.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 18, 2019, 06:53:31 AM
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Hi, I need your advice:
I need some wheels to practice street and can't decide between Bones stf and Spitfire Formula 4. Which one has the faster rollspeed? Which durometer is better for normal /rough asphalt? 103a 101a or 99a?

Other suggestions?

I'm a bit clueless since I didn't ride hard wheels for quite a long time.
Thanks
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Where will you be doing most of your skating? If you're just starting out and learning to roll around, I would save the money and go with a set of blank wheels. Yes, you'll outgrow them but I really don't see a point in spending twice the amount on a pair of Spitfires when you're just learning to roll around and maybe pop some ollies.

Mini Logo wheels are a good choice for a starting setup, can't go wrong with that price.

Again, if you're starting out, Spitfires / Bones / 99a / 101a won't have a great impact on your speed.
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I do small hillbombs, sliding, Ollie's, trying fliptricks(not very successful).Learning to roll around is not what I intended. I wanted harder wheels for more tolerance
for landing tricks but I still want to be able to reach decent speed/distance while pushing.

Mini Logos if you're on a budget and Bones if you got the money.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 18, 2019, 01:57:35 PM
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My assortment of the new Ricta Clouds came in a couple days ago and I've been riding all three of them around on different setups. First impression is that all three are great and with small improvements over the older ones. They all have the same more traditional conical shape (similar contact patch to Spitfire Conical Fulls) with a ground finish (no more treads or excess urethane rings around the wheels. The cores are a definite step up as well!

(https://i.imgur.com/7rtidxB.jpg)

Let me know if there's any questions and I'll try to get the answers. :) Now I'm off to have more fun on these wheels!

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Even tho the new clouds are an upgrade in what seems every way, I can’t get over the shiny core appearance. They look like fake/toy wheels. How are they worn in a bit?

Yeah, I don't love the shiny core look either but they seem to be holding up okay. There's a few spots where the color is gone but it's shiny silver underneath so I don't really notice. It's not like there's some weird color underneath that really sticks out or something. I'm really happy with how they perform though so I can deal with one aesthetic aspect that I don't love.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on November 18, 2019, 04:54:20 PM
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awesome write up thanks for the comparison. And tying in the SML as well. Any experience with OJ keyframe 87a and how they fit in?
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Sure thing! Keyframes feel about the same as 86A Rictas speed-wise on smoother surfaces but just a tad harder and slower on rough surfaces. Regarding build quality I think the Rictas are much better. Keyframe cores are slightly off-center, made of cheaper plastic and the shape of the wheel isn't the same on both sides. On one side you get the rounded conical edge and the other side has a sharp conical edge that often has air bubbles in it and I've shredded/chunked with mild curb contact. I've pretty much sworn off Keyframes and Spitfire 80HD Charges because of their build quality. Also, the ground finish of the Rictas makes them a bit easier to get into a slide than Keyframes.

I'm wondering about this. I had a set of Ricta 86's and Keyframes at the same time. Ended up selling the Rictas. Although the center set was a plus, I found the classic/donut shape of the Rictas to be inferior as a rough spot/cruiser wheel. The conical shape of the Keyframe worked much better for me. Mind you I didn't keep the Rictas long enough to put serious wear on them, I found the overall construction to be very equal between the two. They are poured in the same factory by the same company after all. I'd 100% put Keyframes above 80HD Chargers in every way, which indeed are total crap. I've had my Keyframes for about 8 months now, and that setup takes regular slappy abuse, no signs of chunking out or abnormal wear and tear. Maybe you got a dud set?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 18, 2019, 05:03:42 PM
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awesome write up thanks for the comparison. And tying in the SML as well. Any experience with OJ keyframe 87a and how they fit in?
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Sure thing! Keyframes feel about the same as 86A Rictas speed-wise on smoother surfaces but just a tad harder and slower on rough surfaces. Regarding build quality I think the Rictas are much better. Keyframe cores are slightly off-center, made of cheaper plastic and the shape of the wheel isn't the same on both sides. On one side you get the rounded conical edge and the other side has a sharp conical edge that often has air bubbles in it and I've shredded/chunked with mild curb contact. I've pretty much sworn off Keyframes and Spitfire 80HD Charges because of their build quality. Also, the ground finish of the Rictas makes them a bit easier to get into a slide than Keyframes.
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I'm wondering about this. I had a set of Ricta 86's and Keyframes at the same time. Ended up selling the Rictas. Although the center set was a plus, I found the classic/donut shape of the Rictas to be inferior as a rough spot/cruiser wheel. The conical shape of the Keyframe worked much better for me. Mind you I didn't keep the Rictas long enough to put serious wear on them, I found the overall construction to be very equal between the two. They are poured in the same factory by the same company after all. I'd 100% put Keyframes above 80HD Chargers in every way, which indeed are total crap. I've had my Keyframes for about 8 months now, and that setup takes regular slappy abuse, no signs of chunking out or abnormal wear and tear. Maybe you got a dud set?

I was wondering recently why dual durometer wheels fell out of favor, is it just a gimmick to sell us more wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 18, 2019, 06:59:30 PM
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awesome write up thanks for the comparison. And tying in the SML as well. Any experience with OJ keyframe 87a and how they fit in?
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Sure thing! Keyframes feel about the same as 86A Rictas speed-wise on smoother surfaces but just a tad harder and slower on rough surfaces. Regarding build quality I think the Rictas are much better. Keyframe cores are slightly off-center, made of cheaper plastic and the shape of the wheel isn't the same on both sides. On one side you get the rounded conical edge and the other side has a sharp conical edge that often has air bubbles in it and I've shredded/chunked with mild curb contact. I've pretty much sworn off Keyframes and Spitfire 80HD Charges because of their build quality. Also, the ground finish of the Rictas makes them a bit easier to get into a slide than Keyframes.
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I'm wondering about this. I had a set of Ricta 86's and Keyframes at the same time. Ended up selling the Rictas. Although the center set was a plus, I found the classic/donut shape of the Rictas to be inferior as a rough spot/cruiser wheel. The conical shape of the Keyframe worked much better for me. Mind you I didn't keep the Rictas long enough to put serious wear on them, I found the overall construction to be very equal between the two. They are poured in the same factory by the same company after all. I'd 100% put Keyframes above 80HD Chargers in every way, which indeed are total crap. I've had my Keyframes for about 8 months now, and that setup takes regular slappy abuse, no signs of chunking out or abnormal wear and tear. Maybe you got a dud set?
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I was wondering recently why dual durometer wheels fell out of favor, is it just a gimmick to sell us more wheels?

No clue other than Autobahn going bust, but with them back in action maybe we'll see some from them. Spitfire tried it ages ago on F1s but had shit quality control with cores popping out all the time (ricta did as welll waaaaaaaaaaay back when naturals were popular); Ricta, and now Powerflex are all that's left for hard, cored, wheels.

Cored wheels offer a (hopefully) perfect bearing seat (no wobble...you know who you are 'big wheel co.'), supposedly roll faster, absorb more shock than a regular pour, hard wheel (with a hard out/softer inner core giving you a cushier ride but still giving that hard wheel slide and control). I've also never seen any write-ups or science to back any of that shit up. However, a proper bearing seat does seem the most logical across all duros,  and you can easily make the case for big ass soft wheels having a core to net the most secure seat for the bearing (instead of the soft squishy wheel bearing seat that might deform under load/stress). They're also a bit lighter.

I've skated Ricta's chrome cores many times (and like them) when they were the chalky, teeth chattering kind, and speed rings with shitty urethane until they switched to NRG which were fantastic wheels and super fucking light, but then they vanished and it's just been pro nyjah chrome core wheel for sale forEVER until the recent drop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on November 18, 2019, 07:14:04 PM
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awesome write up thanks for the comparison. And tying in the SML as well. Any experience with OJ keyframe 87a and how they fit in?
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Sure thing! Keyframes feel about the same as 86A Rictas speed-wise on smoother surfaces but just a tad harder and slower on rough surfaces. Regarding build quality I think the Rictas are much better. Keyframe cores are slightly off-center, made of cheaper plastic and the shape of the wheel isn't the same on both sides. On one side you get the rounded conical edge and the other side has a sharp conical edge that often has air bubbles in it and I've shredded/chunked with mild curb contact. I've pretty much sworn off Keyframes and Spitfire 80HD Charges because of their build quality. Also, the ground finish of the Rictas makes them a bit easier to get into a slide than Keyframes.
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I'm wondering about this. I had a set of Ricta 86's and Keyframes at the same time. Ended up selling the Rictas. Although the center set was a plus, I found the classic/donut shape of the Rictas to be inferior as a rough spot/cruiser wheel. The conical shape of the Keyframe worked much better for me. Mind you I didn't keep the Rictas long enough to put serious wear on them, I found the overall construction to be very equal between the two. They are poured in the same factory by the same company after all. I'd 100% put Keyframes above 80HD Chargers in every way, which indeed are total crap. I've had my Keyframes for about 8 months now, and that setup takes regular slappy abuse, no signs of chunking out or abnormal wear and tear. Maybe you got a dud set?
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I was wondering recently why dual durometer wheels fell out of favor, is it just a gimmick to sell us more wheels?
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No clue other than Autobahn going bust, but with them back in action maybe we'll see some from them. Spitfire tried it ages ago on F1s but had shit quality control with cores popping out all the time (ricta did as welll waaaaaaaaaaay back when naturals were popular); Ricta, and now Powerflex are all that's left for hard, cored, wheels.

Cored wheels offer a (hopefully) perfect bearing seat (no wobble...you know who you are 'big wheel co.'), supposedly roll faster, absorb more shock than a regular pour, hard wheel (with a hard out/softer inner core giving you a cushier ride but still giving that hard wheel slide and control). I've also never seen any write-ups or science to back any of that shit up. However, a proper bearing seat does seem the most logical across all duros,  and you can easily make the case for big ass soft wheels having a core to net the most secure seat for the bearing (instead of the soft squishy wheel bearing seat that might deform under load/stress). They're also a bit lighter.

I've skated Ricta's chrome cores many times (and like them) when they were the chalky, teeth chattering kind, and speed rings with shitty urethane until they switched to NRG which were fantastic wheels and super fucking light, but then they vanished and it's just been pro nyjah chrome core wheel for sale forEVER until the recent drop.

I feel like bearings with built in spacers make a bigger difference than cores.  Cores add another part to fail since they need to be perfectly flush with the urethane.  I'd assume that if it isn't flush and properly adhered it is going to cause more failures.  I've always been skeptical about inner cores because of that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 18, 2019, 07:22:38 PM
Good insight on both ends, only have experience with 80hd chargers in the urethane range so looking to try oj keyframe or ricta chrome cloud real soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on November 18, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
Good insight on both ends, only have experience with 80hd chargers in the urethane range so looking to try oj keyframe or ricta chrome cloud real soon.

Looking forward to hearing what you think.  I've always rocked 99-103a wheels but I've been wanting to get into filming skating since I'm not the best skater and since I also have a ton of experience when it comes to filming skiing.  I'm really torn between those three wheels along with Bones ATFs for when I set up a filming board.  I'm mainly considering Keyframes and the softer 2/3 Clouds.  It would even sweeter if the wheels make good cruiser wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 18, 2019, 09:10:42 PM
How do you get bearings out of the chrome cores? If it's a proper tight fit wouldn't it make it next to impossible to twist the bearing out like on normal urethane wheels? A bearing puller might work but probably not if you use spacers or bearings with built in spacers. 🤔 Basically I'm not really sure what the advantage of the chrome cores really is.  ???
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 19, 2019, 08:48:54 PM
Anyone ride Crupie wheels before? Tempted to try a pair of their slim wheels, Joey Brezinski's model is 27mm other models are around 28mm wide. Looking for some skinny ass wheels for smoother slides
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on November 19, 2019, 09:44:03 PM
Anyone ride Crupie wheels before? Tempted to try a pair of their slim wheels, Joey Brezinski's model is 27mm other models are around 28mm wide. Looking for some skinny ass wheels for smoother slides

If you're look for a thin wheel then they're great. I personally liked Crupies when I was using them, but I wouldn't buy a set for full price. Keep looking around and they'll pop for super cheap. They also tend to bark a bit more than F4s and the like but personally didn't bug me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 19, 2019, 10:19:16 PM
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Anyone ride Crupie wheels before? Tempted to try a pair of their slim wheels, Joey Brezinski's model is 27mm other models are around 28mm wide. Looking for some skinny ass wheels for smoother slides
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If you're look for a thin wheel then they're great. I personally liked Crupies when I was using them, but I wouldn't buy a set for full price. Keep looking around and they'll pop for super cheap. They also tend to bark a bit more than F4s and the like but personally didn't bug me.

They are going for $14 USD, free shipping at $75 within USA, $8 flat shipping globally. Very affordable, thinking about bringing a few sets in to sell them to cover the costs of my own purchase.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on November 19, 2019, 10:44:53 PM
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Anyone ride Crupie wheels before? Tempted to try a pair of their slim wheels, Joey Brezinski's model is 27mm other models are around 28mm wide. Looking for some skinny ass wheels for smoother slides
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If you're look for a thin wheel then they're great. I personally liked Crupies when I was using them, but I wouldn't buy a set for full price. Keep looking around and they'll pop for super cheap. They also tend to bark a bit more than F4s and the like but personally didn't bug me.
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They are going for $14 USD, free shipping at $75 within USA, $8 flat shipping globally. Very affordable, thinking about bringing a few sets in to sell them to cover the costs of my own purchase.

no 50mms though :[
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 19, 2019, 11:17:18 PM
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If you're look for a thin wheel then they're great. I personally liked Crupies when I was using them, but I wouldn't buy a set for full price. Keep looking around and they'll pop for super cheap. They also tend to bark a bit more than F4s and the like but personally didn't bug me.
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They are going for $14 USD, free shipping at $75 within USA, $8 flat shipping globally. Very affordable, thinking about bringing a few sets in to sell them to cover the costs of my own purchase.
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no 50mms though :[

50mm wheels are really hard to find, smallest most brands do is 51mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on November 20, 2019, 06:53:54 AM
Anyone ride Crupie wheels before? Tempted to try a pair of their slim wheels, Joey Brezinski's model is 27mm other models are around 28mm wide. Looking for some skinny ass wheels for smoother slides

I would go with these
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-pro-stf-skateboard-wheels-rogers-spirit-wolf-52mm-v3-slims-103a-4pk
https://youtu.be/lvvtkQrSokg

I jumped on the crupie bandwagon really quick because I like a slim wheel and crupie graphics a little more than bones. The first pair of Crupie I had flat-spotted really early on. I bought 2 more sets from the concrete visionary site when they were on sale late time. They sent me the wrong wheels. I wanted a 27mm and a 29mm and I got 2 sets of 29mm. The customer service offered me a website code instead of a refund and return which I never got. The second set I skated just felt soft. They were 101a but I just prefer an 83b. 101s don't slide enough for me. The third set I sold to someone.
https://imgur.com/l36irnJ
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: alright on November 20, 2019, 07:05:30 AM
Anyone ride Crupie wheels before? Tempted to try a pair of their slim wheels, Joey Brezinski's model is 27mm other models are around 28mm wide. Looking for some skinny ass wheels for smoother slides

I'm riding some right now and I have another set I'm about to throw on a new setup. The set I have on now are 53mm. They're okay....

Like someone else on this thread, I got them fron concrete visionary. I think for $12 a set which was for sure worth it. I would not buy a set full price but if you catch them on sale, by all keans go for it. The set I havent used yet are 52mm. The carlos iqui metric. I like how they look and they should work out alright.

I do plan on swapping the 53mm I have with sone wider f4's or maybe bones. I need a wheel that can handle a more rough and tumble surface.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on November 20, 2019, 07:11:42 AM
Anyone ride Crupie wheels before? Tempted to try a pair of their slim wheels, Joey Brezinski's model is 27mm other models are around 28mm wide. Looking for some skinny ass wheels for smoother slides
;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 20, 2019, 03:17:25 PM
I've been rocking STF V3s off and on, great wheel. Slim and slidey.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 20, 2019, 06:00:59 PM
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I would go with these
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-pro-stf-skateboard-wheels-rogers-spirit-wolf-52mm-v3-slims-103a-4pk
https://youtu.be/lvvtkQrSokg

I jumped on the crupie bandwagon really quick because I like a slim wheel and crupie graphics a little more than bones. The first pair of Crupie I had flat-spotted really early on. I bought 2 more sets from the concrete visionary site when they were on sale late time. They sent me the wrong wheels. I wanted a 27mm and a 29mm and I got 2 sets of 29mm. The customer service offered me a website code instead of a refund and return which I never got. The second set I skated just felt soft. They were 101a but I just prefer an 83b. 101s don't slide enough for me. The third set I sold to someone.
https://imgur.com/l36irnJ

Their product QC, customer support and website seem to be a step behind. At $15 for wheels you can't expect too much for their product; which is a shame. They got a great team (Sarmiento, Brezinsk, Cerenzini, assorted Primitive dudes) and graphics. But their website is tough to navigate and doesn't accurately state what products are in stock or not.

I would try some Bones V3s but the shops in my area only have V1 or V4s.

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;D

PHRASING!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 22, 2019, 01:06:29 PM
Anyone here have experience with bones 100’s vs spitfire regular non-F4 classic formulas at indoor parks and know which one is grippier?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 22, 2019, 04:27:45 PM
Anyone here have experience with bones 100’s vs spitfire regular non-F4 classic formulas at indoor parks and know which one is grippier?
For what I remember Spitfire 99d were grippier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on November 22, 2019, 05:32:18 PM
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For what I remember Spitfire 99d were grippier.

See I remember the Bones being grippier. Spitfire Classics and Bigheads are soft/bouncy feeling but they feel pretty slippery to me. Like in an uncontrolled way.

I’m in the market for indoor wheels too and I think I’ll be trying some Slime Balls.  My F4 99as are great on boxes and all but Skatelite transition is scary on them.  I was considering 92a Clouds but I think that would be too soft.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on November 23, 2019, 05:51:42 AM
Having a really good time skating curbs and ledges on the 42mm Boardy Cakes. My usual wheel size is 55mm, so they're a pretty different ride for sure. They're not gonna become my new regular wheels, but I'll definitely keep them around to mix it up a little from time to time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on November 24, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
Having a really good time skating curbs and ledges on the 42mm Boardy Cakes. My usual wheel size is 55mm, so they're a pretty different ride for sure. They're not gonna become my new regular wheels, but I'll definitely keep them around to mix it up a little from time to time.

over 10mm difference goddamn. how much has your pop changed if any at all?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on November 25, 2019, 09:46:31 AM
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Having a really good time skating curbs and ledges on the 42mm Boardy Cakes. My usual wheel size is 55mm, so they're a pretty different ride for sure. They're not gonna become my new regular wheels, but I'll definitely keep them around to mix it up a little from time to time.
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over 10mm difference goddamn. how much has your pop changed if any at all?

I actually got noticably higher kickflips on these things. I’m a pretty lousy skater to be honest, and I can’t do anything switch, but I tried some nollies and feel like this setup might be really helpful for me to practice getting my left leg up to speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: spacial_profiling on November 25, 2019, 12:11:05 PM
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Anyone here have experience with bones 100’s vs spitfire regular non-F4 classic formulas at indoor parks and know which one is grippier?
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For what I remember Spitfire 99d were grippier.
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See I remember the Bones being grippier. Spitfire Classics and Bigheads are soft/bouncy feeling but they feel pretty slippery to me. Like in an uncontrolled way.

I’m in the market for indoor wheels too and I think I’ll be trying some Slime Balls.  My F4 99as are great on boxes and all but Skatelite transition is scary on them.  I was considering 92a Clouds but I think that would be too soft.

I have both set up on different boards that I have used at a really slippery indoor park a few times and can say from my experience the 99 spits feel less slippery. But they’ve been well broken in in the streets where the 100 bones I’ve only skated a handful of times in the streets and again in my experience bones take a little longer to break in so could be that. The 100 bones do feel mushier and bouncier though on top of sliding more (which I wasn’t expecting).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 25, 2019, 03:32:39 PM
I can't find the post but someone asked me how the Ricta Rapido Slims compared in width to Spitfire Radial Slims. Here they are with some Bones V1 Easy Streets Naturals (my current favorites) then the Ricta's and the Spitfire's on the bottom (borrowed the Radial Slims since anything other than black Classic F4 Spitfire's have gone extinct on this island). All are 54mm. All have an almost identical starting contact patch.

I haven't ridden the Rictas yet but plan to later this week.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ni7M6Ks.jpg)

Regarding the Bones Easy Streets the difference between the naturals and the white w/treads version is like night and day. The naturals, which are smooth feel broken-in almost right away and the slide doesn't really change. Not having that initial and misleading too grippy feeling from the treads has made me like these wheels even more.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 25, 2019, 07:05:28 PM
Okay, so I skated them today...for 15 minutes. Fast, not chattery, super grippy and apparently not so durable. After literally fifteen minutes of skating on the roads outside my house, about a dozen moderate speed 180 power slides and the wheels already have flat spots and numerous large chunks just gone from the wheel (the photo isn't even the worst of them). The roads here are rough but they aren't that rough. I was shocked when I looked down at them. I haven't flat spotted a Bones or Spitfire wheel the entire time I've been skating these streets. So yeah, utterly disappointing and straight back to Bones until some Spitfires make their way here. Perhaps good for indoors or slippery surfaces but other than that, I'm gonna take a hard pass on the Ricta Rapido formula. The 92A Chrome Clouds slide easier and hold up way better than these did on the streets here.

(https://i.imgur.com/hGrv3cH.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 25, 2019, 08:43:41 PM
Okay, so I skated them today...for 15 minutes. Fast, not chattery, super grippy and apparently not so durable. After literally fifteen minutes of skating on the roads outside my house, about a dozen moderate speed 180 power slides and the wheels already have flat spots and numerous large chunks just gone from the wheel (the photo isn't even the worst of them). The roads here are rough but they aren't that rough. I was shocked when I looked down at them. I haven't flat spotted a Bones or Spitfire wheel the entire time I've been skating these streets. So yeah, utterly disappointing and straight back to Bones until some Spitfires make their way here. Perhaps good for indoors or slippery surfaces but other than that, I'm gonna take a hard pass on the Ricta Rapido formula. The 92A Chrome Clouds slide easier and hold up way better than these did on the streets here.

(https://i.imgur.com/hGrv3cH.jpg)

Wow, my 99a rapido chrome cores have held up much better than those...I'd put that photo up on insta and get them to cover you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: alright on November 25, 2019, 08:57:51 PM
Okay, so I skated them today...for 15 minutes. Fast, not chattery, super grippy and apparently not so durable. After literally fifteen minutes of skating on the roads outside my house, about a dozen moderate speed 180 power slides and the wheels already have flat spots and numerous large chunks just gone from the wheel (the photo isn't even the worst of them). The roads here are rough but they aren't that rough. I was shocked when I looked down at them. I haven't flat spotted a Bones or Spitfire wheel the entire time I've been skating these streets. So yeah, utterly disappointing and straight back to Bones until some Spitfires make their way here. Perhaps good for indoors or slippery surfaces but other than that, I'm gonna take a hard pass on the Ricta Rapido formula. The 92A Chrome Clouds slide easier and hold up way better than these did on the streets here.

(https://i.imgur.com/hGrv3cH.jpg)



Wow, thats straight up gross. Someone mentioned calling them out on instagram to get them to cover you. Only way I could do that is if I was getting a refund.

That picture made sure I never skate rictas.

Lol, fuck them. Never knew they were such shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ohthembones on November 25, 2019, 09:28:15 PM
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Okay, so I skated them today...for 15 minutes. Fast, not chattery, super grippy and apparently not so durable. After literally fifteen minutes of skating on the roads outside my house, about a dozen moderate speed 180 power slides and the wheels already have flat spots and numerous large chunks just gone from the wheel (the photo isn't even the worst of them). The roads here are rough but they aren't that rough. I was shocked when I looked down at them. I haven't flat spotted a Bones or Spitfire wheel the entire time I've been skating these streets. So yeah, utterly disappointing and straight back to Bones until some Spitfires make their way here. Perhaps good for indoors or slippery surfaces but other than that, I'm gonna take a hard pass on the Ricta Rapido formula. The 92A Chrome Clouds slide easier and hold up way better than these did on the streets here.

(https://i.imgur.com/hGrv3cH.jpg)
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Wow, thats straight up gross. Someone mentioned calling them out on instagram to get them to cover you. Only way I could do that is if I was getting a refund.

That picture made sure I never skate rictas.

Lol, fuck them. Never knew they were such shit.

I really like their Cloud series and the Chrome Core Clouds in all three durometers are doing really well! I'm glad Xen's Chrome Cores are holding up! These Rapidos though, never again. Yeah, I'm sending NHS customer service an email with a photo of them. I have never seen a wheel go to shit this fast. Hopefully they'll send me some more Clouds or some OJ Elite's to try out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 26, 2019, 07:02:01 AM
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Okay, so I skated them today...for 15 minutes. Fast, not chattery, super grippy and apparently not so durable. After literally fifteen minutes of skating on the roads outside my house, about a dozen moderate speed 180 power slides and the wheels already have flat spots and numerous large chunks just gone from the wheel (the photo isn't even the worst of them). The roads here are rough but they aren't that rough. I was shocked when I looked down at them. I haven't flat spotted a Bones or Spitfire wheel the entire time I've been skating these streets. So yeah, utterly disappointing and straight back to Bones until some Spitfires make their way here. Perhaps good for indoors or slippery surfaces but other than that, I'm gonna take a hard pass on the Ricta Rapido formula. The 92A Chrome Clouds slide easier and hold up way better than these did on the streets here.

(https://i.imgur.com/hGrv3cH.jpg)
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Wow, thats straight up gross. Someone mentioned calling them out on instagram to get them to cover you. Only way I could do that is if I was getting a refund.

That picture made sure I never skate rictas.

Lol, fuck them. Never knew they were such shit.
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I really like their Cloud series and the Chrome Core Clouds in all three durometers are doing really well! I'm glad Xen's Chrome Cores are holding up! These Rapidos though, never again. Yeah, I'm sending NHS customer service an email with a photo of them. I have never seen a wheel go to shit this fast. Hopefully they'll send me some more Clouds or some OJ Elite's to try out.

I doubt they’ll even reply. They couldn’t be bothered to reply about my Bronsons going to shit despite contacting them in multiple ways.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: B0udoir on November 26, 2019, 02:26:00 PM

That picture made sure I never skate rictas.

The last time I heard a guy at my local skatepark making a loud flat-spotted wheel sound, he was on Ricta rapido. That was enough for me to make an opinion on this brand.
Btw, I could have make the same picture with Wayward wheels. For the price of F4s, it was a pain  ::)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 26, 2019, 04:38:03 PM
I'm way too deep into Spitfire country, only brand of wheels that I would like to try are sml or acid
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on November 27, 2019, 06:08:28 AM
acid

Yeah has anyone on here tried the 99 or 101 duro wheels from Acid? I've seen positive posts about their Pods (got a set of those in my drawer, but didn't find the time to put them to the test before outdoor season ended) and I think I saw someone mention liking the Jelly Shots too, but I'm curious about how their harder wheels compare to the more common brands. Interested in the Sugar Cubes, but I guess I'm gonna have to wear down some of the wheels I already have before I can justify getting another set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paperclip20 on November 27, 2019, 10:41:34 AM
I'm way too deep into Spitfire country, only brand of wheels that I would like to try are sml or acid

I usually only skate spitfire aswell, but I did try out a set of SML wheels and thought they were quite good but they felt just a little harder while also being 99a and they seemed to wear a little quicker. However they were also 30 USD compared to 40 USD for formula fours so I would recommend them personally. They also had a very loud powerslide which I liked
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: alright on November 27, 2019, 03:49:16 PM
I'm debating going for bones or spitfire F4's to replace my crupie wheels. I have this sincere feeling that the wheels I'm riding are shit. I haven't seriously skated since this year, for 5+ years now so I'm pretty out of the loop. (also, if anyone has a pair of 53mm or lower wheels they want to get rid of, shameless  begging over here, I'm dirt poor from unexpected expenses at the moment and would love a hook up). I'm thinking size 51mm F4 tablets when I can afford them. I skate almost all street, on the east coast, on rough ass shitty terrain. What do you think is the best duro for that? Also, is there a better shape for trash ass east coast streets than the tablets? Would love to hear some opinions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 27, 2019, 03:51:06 PM
F4 99 Conicals 54mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Skart on November 27, 2019, 04:09:18 PM
F4 rehabilitation slims man
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on November 27, 2019, 09:04:55 PM
F4 99 Conical Fulls 54mm

Widest contact patch for rougher streets. Bigger diameter also helps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 28, 2019, 03:48:29 AM
I just got a set of Jivaro 53mm wheelbiters

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0162/8292/products/wheel_biters4_480x480.JPG)

53mm 101a conicals. Pretty much identical to spitfire conical full mold. I think I read that they use Creative urethane. I took them out yesterday running errands around town and was really impressed with them. Really fast and smooth feeling even on the rough Pittsburgh streets, in fact I had to drag my foot on the last little hill on the way home and I hardly ever do that. Didn't get to really properly test the slide out because it was wet and I was carrying two bags of groceries but I'm going to mess around with them a bit today.

I'm cautiously optimistic that these might end up being one of the best non-f4 wheels I've tried. If anyone wants a set coda has them on sale for 25.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dakara on December 02, 2019, 07:46:18 PM
Anyone else have trouble sliding 99d’s formula fours, as in can’t get them to slide whatsoever? I’m on 54mm tablets and this is my first expierance with ff. Never been a great powerslider but I could get my previous sets of  rictas and normal spitfires to slide with enough speed. I can’t get these to budge or break grip even when I’m bombing a hill with smooth surface. I know 99s are softer than most street wheels but p much everyone I’ve talked to said they slide fine previous to buying them. Probably just a matter of my skating ability, but was wondering if anyone else has this problem. I skate all terrain and use my board as transportation in Tokyo so I don’t want to go up to 101s or switch to a thinner contact patch wheel but I also like to slide. Absolutely love these wheels besides this issue, couldn’t believe how much faster they were than normal urethane.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 02, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
You broken them in yet? They tend to get better once they are probably broken in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 02, 2019, 08:16:29 PM
Anyone else have trouble sliding 99d’s formula fours, as in can’t get them to slide whatsoever? I’m on 54mm tablets and this is my first expierance with ff. Never been a great powerslider but I could get my previous sets of  rictas and normal spitfires to slide with enough speed. I can’t get these to budge or break grip even when I’m bombing a hill with smooth surface. I know 99s are softer than most street wheels but p much everyone I’ve talked to said they slide fine previous to buying them. Probably just a matter of my skating ability, but was wondering if anyone else has this problem. I skate all terrain and use my board as transportation in Tokyo so I don’t want to go up to 101s or switch to a thinner contact patch wheel but I also like to slide. Absolutely love these wheels besides this issue, couldn’t believe how much faster they were than normal urethane.

Honestly, I‘ve experienced the opposite! Every pair I have slides super well. I ride the 52mm F4 conical fulls in 99 and have a set of 53mm lock ins in 99 as well and they slide better than the Spitfire Og classic 99’s and the Bones easy street 99’s.

Possible you just got a bad set?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on December 03, 2019, 09:03:40 AM
could also be floor/terrain, i had some f4 99ds a few years back and a couple of spots up here had floor where you'd have some leeway and be able to chuck a couple small slides/revert tricks but not really a prolonged slide, but on smoother floors/good parks/etc theyd slide for a while
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on December 03, 2019, 10:40:23 AM
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I'm way too deep into Spitfire country, only brand of wheels that I would like to try are sml or acid
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I usually only skate spitfire aswell, but I did try out a set of SML wheels and thought they were quite good but they felt just a little harder while also being 99a and they seemed to wear a little quicker. However they were also 30 USD compared to 40 USD for formula fours so I would recommend them personally. They also had a very loud powerslide which I liked

Thanks for the feedback and support!

The wheels you got we're probably the OG formula who we get from Aend. They have a high rebound than most wheels which makes them feel harder and at first takes a little more effort on the power slide hence the loud sound when you do. It also means it's harder to flat spot them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on December 05, 2019, 12:33:16 AM
I just got a set of Jivaro 53mm wheelbiters

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0162/8292/products/wheel_biters4_480x480.JPG)

53mm 101a conicals. Pretty much identical to spitfire conical full mold. I think I read that they use Creative urethane. I took them out yesterday running errands around town and was really impressed with them. Really fast and smooth feeling even on the rough Pittsburgh streets, in fact I had to drag my foot on the last little hill on the way home and I hardly ever do that. Didn't get to really properly test the slide out because it was wet and I was carrying two bags of groceries but I'm going to mess around with them a bit today.

I'm cautiously optimistic that these might end up being one of the best non-f4 wheels I've tried. If anyone wants a set coda has them on sale for 25.


What got you to buy these? They look legit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paperclip20 on December 05, 2019, 04:57:59 AM
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I'm way too deep into Spitfire country, only brand of wheels that I would like to try are sml or acid
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I usually only skate spitfire aswell, but I did try out a set of SML wheels and thought they were quite good but they felt just a little harder while also being 99a and they seemed to wear a little quicker. However they were also 30 USD compared to 40 USD for formula fours so I would recommend them personally. They also had a very loud powerslide which I liked
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Thanks for the feedback and support!

The wheels you got we're probably the OG formula who we get from Aend. They have a high rebound than most wheels which makes them feel harder and at first takes a little more effort on the power slide hence the loud sound when you do. It also means it's harder to flat spot them.

For sure! Out of all the wheels I've tried they're easily my 2nd favorite and I plan on skating them again because the shape is fantastic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on December 05, 2019, 05:36:23 AM
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I just got a set of Jivaro 53mm wheelbiters

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0162/8292/products/wheel_biters4_480x480.JPG)

53mm 101a conicals.
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What got you to buy these? They look legit

Rad graphic and sexiest shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on December 05, 2019, 02:16:21 PM
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I'm way too deep into Spitfire country, only brand of wheels that I would like to try are sml or acid
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SML. AG formula and Dial Tones.

Prize Fighter Cutlery were great wheels, but I think they're done.
ive emailed sml sooo many times about trying to get them in my shop, never a response.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on December 05, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
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I just got a set of Jivaro 53mm wheelbiters

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0162/8292/products/wheel_biters4_480x480.JPG)

53mm 101a conicals. Pretty much identical to spitfire conical full mold. I think I read that they use Creative urethane. I took them out yesterday running errands around town and was really impressed with them. Really fast and smooth feeling even on the rough Pittsburgh streets, in fact I had to drag my foot on the last little hill on the way home and I hardly ever do that. Didn't get to really properly test the slide out because it was wet and I was carrying two bags of groceries but I'm going to mess around with them a bit today.

I'm cautiously optimistic that these might end up being one of the best non-f4 wheels I've tried. If anyone wants a set coda has them on sale for 25.
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What got you to buy these? They look legit
https://www.unheardpdx.com/jivaro-wheel-biters-53mm/ (https://www.unheardpdx.com/jivaro-wheel-biters-53mm/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on December 05, 2019, 05:56:34 PM
Has anyone ever skated Kontrol wheels? Just copped some shop wheels made by them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on December 05, 2019, 06:58:11 PM
Has anyone ever skated Kontrol wheels? Just copped some shop wheels made by them.

I skated some years ago, I remember liking them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on December 06, 2019, 09:49:40 AM
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I'm way too deep into Spitfire country, only brand of wheels that I would like to try are sml or acid
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SML. AG formula and Dial Tones.

Prize Fighter Cutlery were great wheels, but I think they're done.
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ive emailed sml sooo many times about trying to get them in my shop, never a response.

Where is you shop located? Let's get you sorted out!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on December 06, 2019, 10:18:13 AM
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I'm way too deep into Spitfire country, only brand of wheels that I would like to try are sml or acid
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SML. AG formula and Dial Tones.

Prize Fighter Cutlery were great wheels, but I think they're done.
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ive emailed sml sooo many times about trying to get them in my shop, never a response.
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Where is you shop located? Let's get you sorted out!
Calgary, Canada. Let me know whats up James. Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 06, 2019, 04:04:48 PM
who has experience with boardy cakes wheels? want to fuck around and try some. never rode a wheel below 49mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on December 07, 2019, 06:47:45 PM
who has experience with boardy cakes wheels? want to fuck around and try some. never rode a wheel below 49mm

I've got a set of the Fat Bundts. Mad fun for flat ground/curb stuff, super stable feeling. Obviously your pop is going to be a bit weaker, and you're going to go way slower, but for low impact stuff I find them a lot of fun. Don't think they'd be my main wheels but I like having them around.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on December 07, 2019, 11:08:28 PM
Beautiful white F4s back in stock. Neckface collabs as well and they look fucking sick.

The beloved 99a Conical Fulls in 53 and 55mm is one of them.  Not sure why they wouldn’t include the most popular Conical Full size (54mm) but oh well.

You guys are lucky I’m sharing this info... I could have been a dick and bought up all the 53mm Conical Fulls but it’s the holidays and I can’t justify spending more money on myself.  I should probably buy a set before they’re gone though.  Wish they did some Neckface 99a Radial Slims. :/

99a Conical Full Neckface x Rowan (53 & 55mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Rowan_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NRWH.html

99a F4 Classic Neckface x Spanky (52 & 54mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Spanky_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NSWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (58mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Kader_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NKWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (54 & 58mm)
https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-kader-neckface-radial-wheels-white-pid-53792

Those are the cheapest I found them ($34.99).  Enjoy.


Btw free shipping $50+ at Skatewarehouse so maybe buy two pairs when you jump on these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on December 09, 2019, 09:19:32 AM
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who has experience with boardy cakes wheels? want to fuck around and try some. never rode a wheel below 49mm
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I've got a set of the Fat Bundts. Mad fun for flat ground/curb stuff, super stable feeling. Obviously your pop is going to be a bit weaker, and you're going to go way slower, but for low impact stuff I find them a lot of fun. Don't think they'd be my main wheels but I like having them around.

I love my 42mm ones, and my flip tricks actually get higher off the ground while ollies feel unchanged. I set them up with Thunders and a Polar football that has a short tail, maybe that evens out the pop variables, I haven't really thought too much about this.

And yeah same goes for me, they won't be my main wheels, but I'll rock them on smooth skatepark concrete from time to time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 13, 2019, 12:52:53 AM
So I’m gunna set up a EE3-era inspired board and kinda don’t want to put F4s on it, should I get get some sml v-cuts or some loopholes (or maybe even dial tones?). Are loopholes all super rock hard? I’m looking at the 56mm ones but they are listed as 103??? I’d prefer 99a in general. I had some waywards in 101 a while back though and they didn’t seem too tooth rattling (unlike something like prize fighter). Anyway, looking for something “indie” that’s 54 - 56 with a wider cut to give it that chunky wheel look
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on December 13, 2019, 01:26:11 AM
So I’m gunna set up a EE3-era inspired board and kinda don’t want to put F4s on it, should I get get some sml v-cuts or some loopholes (or maybe even dial tones?). Are loopholes all super rock hard? I’m looking at the 56mm ones but they are listed as 103??? I’d prefer 99a in general. I had some waywards in 101 a while back though and they didn’t seem too tooth rattling (unlike something like prize fighter). Anyway, looking for something “indie” that’s 54 - 56 with a wider cut to give it that chunky wheel look
What level of EE3?
Ricky, Barley, Forbes normcore or full on Matt Reason fattie fatts?
http://chromeballincident.blogspot.com/search/label/matt%20reason
63's!!!!! I was remembering 60-61mm and squarish

Crustbuster setup? Seen what the guy in Okinawa is rockin?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 13, 2019, 02:44:58 AM
I actually had those 63mm physics wheels believe it or not, they were pretty ridiculous though (although physics was a great company). I’m thinking Jerry Fisher/ Half Cab era Fred Gall; not quite on Matt’s level but somewhere in between. Probably 56mm fat wheels on a 8.25 board, nothing huge by today’s standards but they just looked so raw at the time 8)

Who in Okinawa are we taking about?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 13, 2019, 06:17:51 AM
So I’m gunna set up a EE3-era inspired board and kinda don’t want to put F4s on it, should I get get some sml v-cuts or some loopholes (or maybe even dial tones?). Are loopholes all super rock hard? I’m looking at the 56mm ones but they are listed as 103??? I’d prefer 99a in general. I had some waywards in 101 a while back though and they didn’t seem too tooth rattling (unlike something like prize fighter). Anyway, looking for something “indie” that’s 54 - 56 with a wider cut to give it that chunky wheel look

Not an indie brand like you were asking for, but I got some 60mm 99a Spitfire OG classics a while back that fit what you are talking about. They have them in 54 and 56 too iirc. Square, chunky, still perform nicely
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on December 13, 2019, 06:20:11 AM
what is EE3?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 13, 2019, 07:10:09 AM
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So I’m gunna set up a EE3-era inspired board and kinda don’t want to put F4s on it, should I get get some sml v-cuts or some loopholes (or maybe even dial tones?). Are loopholes all super rock hard? I’m looking at the 56mm ones but they are listed as 103??? I’d prefer 99a in general. I had some waywards in 101 a while back though and they didn’t seem too tooth rattling (unlike something like prize fighter). Anyway, looking for something “indie” that’s 54 - 56 with a wider cut to give it that chunky wheel look
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Not an indie brand like you were asking for, but I got some 60mm 99a Spitfire OG classics a while back that fit what you are talking about. They have them in 54 and 56 too iirc. Square, chunky, still perform nicely
yeah, I'm honestly contemplating some standard conical F4s too, but OG classics in 56 would probably be more era specific.
loophole are 103 hardness which seems ridics, found some dial tone conicals too but can't find them over 53mm. Wayward v-cuts are  my other option. I've skate wayward before so I know what to expect of them. I mean they're not F4s but they're not the worst wheels you could skate... will put OG classic on my short list too!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 13, 2019, 07:10:36 AM
what is EE3?
erectile explosion x3
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on December 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
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what is EE3?
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erectile explosion x3
Damn man... The fact that it was 3 times...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 13, 2019, 07:52:20 AM
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So I’m gunna set up a EE3-era inspired board and kinda don’t want to put F4s on it, should I get get some sml v-cuts or some loopholes (or maybe even dial tones?). Are loopholes all super rock hard? I’m looking at the 56mm ones but they are listed as 103??? I’d prefer 99a in general. I had some waywards in 101 a while back though and they didn’t seem too tooth rattling (unlike something like prize fighter). Anyway, looking for something “indie” that’s 54 - 56 with a wider cut to give it that chunky wheel look
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Not an indie brand like you were asking for, but I got some 60mm 99a Spitfire OG classics a while back that fit what you are talking about. They have them in 54 and 56 too iirc. Square, chunky, still perform nicely
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yeah, I'm honestly contemplating some standard conical F4s too, but OG classics in 56 would probably be more era specific.
loophole are 103 hardness which seems ridics, found some dial tone conicals too but can't find them over 53mm. Wayward v-cuts are  my other option. I've skate wayward before so I know what to expect of them. I mean they're not F4s but they're not the worst wheels you could skate... will put OG classic on my short list too!

I had the same problem with the Loophole samples I got. Too hard for me to ride. If they made a 99a I would be all over those. Same issue with the Dialtones for me too (the sizing, not the hardness). I ride some of their 53’s on my smaller set up, but I just like F4’s so much better so I have a hard time sticking with those and for my bigger set up I ride 55-61 so no luck there. I haven’t tried Wayward’s, but if they make wide shapes I might give them a shot!

It’s hard to ride anything besides F4’s in their standard shapes and the classic OG’s formula/shape combo seems like it’s still as good if not better for me than most of the formulas from Indie companies I’ve tried. Plus, like you said, they do seem like what I remember people riding back then. They look and feel the part well iirc
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 14, 2019, 01:40:27 AM
↑ I ended up pulling the trigger on some 56 conical loopholes, the shop I bought them from described them as around the same hardness as 99 F4s so we’ll see ... I just got my winter bonus so if I hate them I can just pick up some F4s instead.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on December 14, 2019, 02:22:21 AM
↑ I ended up pulling the trigger on some 56 conical loopholes, the shop I bought them from described them as around the same hardness as 99 F4s so we’ll see ... I just got my winter bonus so if I hate them I can just pick up some F4s instead.

I'm very interested in hearing how those are. If you can post an in depth review of them comparing them to F4s I'd really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 14, 2019, 02:34:33 AM
Will do, got some time off over the break so I’ll try and get some hours clocked in on them 🤞
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HyenaChaser on December 14, 2019, 09:29:10 AM
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↑ I ended up pulling the trigger on some 56 conical loopholes, the shop I bought them from described them as around the same hardness as 99 F4s so we’ll see ... I just got my winter bonus so if I hate them I can just pick up some F4s instead.
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I'm very interested in hearing how those are. If you can post an in depth review of them comparing them to F4s I'd really appreciate it.

I'm interested in hearing about any wheel with a formula that compares to F4, if only to have more options when looking for new wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on December 14, 2019, 11:56:14 PM
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So I’m gunna set up a EE3-era inspired board and kinda don’t want to put F4s on it, should I get get some sml v-cuts or some loopholes (or maybe even dial tones?). Are loopholes all super rock hard? I’m looking at the 56mm ones but they are listed as 103??? I’d prefer 99a in general. I had some waywards in 101 a while back though and they didn’t seem too tooth rattling (unlike something like prize fighter). Anyway, looking for something “indie” that’s 54 - 56 with a wider cut to give it that chunky wheel look
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Not an indie brand like you were asking for, but I got some 60mm 99a Spitfire OG classics a while back that fit what you are talking about. They have them in 54 and 56 too iirc. Square, chunky, still perform nicely
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yeah, I'm honestly contemplating some standard conical F4s too, but OG classics in 56 would probably be more era specific.
loophole are 103 hardness which seems ridics, found some dial tone conicals too but can't find them over 53mm. Wayward v-cuts are  my other option. I've skate wayward before so I know what to expect of them. I mean they're not F4s but they're not the worst wheels you could skate... will put OG classic on my short list too!
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I had the same problem with the Loophole samples I got. Too hard for me to ride. If they made a 99a I would be all over those. Same issue with the Dialtones for me too. I ride some of their 53’s on my smaller set up, but I just like F4’s so much better so I have a hard time sticking with those and for my bigger set up I ride 55-61 so no luck there. I haven’t tried Wayward’s, but if they make wide shapes I might give them a shot!

It’s hard to ride anything besides F4’s in their standard shapes and the classic OG’s formula/shape combo seems like it’s still as good if not better for me than most of the formulas from Indie companies I’ve tried. Plus, like you said, they do seem like what I remember people riding back then. They look and feel the part well iirc

I’d recommend 58mm Spitfire classics on a 8” deck, Indy or thunder with risers.
I had some 62mm First division wheels.
Spitfire still makes 63mm, would go nice on a 7.75” and some destructo’s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CBP on December 15, 2019, 12:45:57 AM
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So I’m gunna set up a EE3-era inspired board and kinda don’t want to put F4s on it, should I get get some sml v-cuts or some loopholes (or maybe even dial tones?). Are loopholes all super rock hard? I’m looking at the 56mm ones but they are listed as 103??? I’d prefer 99a in general. I had some waywards in 101 a while back though and they didn’t seem too tooth rattling (unlike something like prize fighter). Anyway, looking for something “indie” that’s 54 - 56 with a wider cut to give it that chunky wheel look
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Not an indie brand like you were asking for, but I got some 60mm 99a Spitfire OG classics a while back that fit what you are talking about. They have them in 54 and 56 too iirc. Square, chunky, still perform nicely
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yeah, I'm honestly contemplating some standard conical F4s too, but OG classics in 56 would probably be more era specific.
loophole are 103 hardness which seems ridics, found some dial tone conicals too but can't find them over 53mm. Wayward v-cuts are  my other option. I've skate wayward before so I know what to expect of them. I mean they're not F4s but they're not the worst wheels you could skate... will put OG classic on my short list too!
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I had the same problem with the Loophole samples I got. Too hard for me to ride. If they made a 99a I would be all over those. Same issue with the Dialtones for me too. I ride some of their 53’s on my smaller set up, but I just like F4’s so much better so I have a hard time sticking with those and for my bigger set up I ride 55-61 so no luck there. I haven’t tried Wayward’s, but if they make wide shapes I might give them a shot!

It’s hard to ride anything besides F4’s in their standard shapes and the classic OG’s formula/shape combo seems like it’s still as good if not better for me than most of the formulas from Indie companies I’ve tried. Plus, like you said, they do seem like what I remember people riding back then. They look and feel the part well iirc
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I’d recommend 58mm Spitfire classics on a 8” deck, Indy or thunder with risers.
I had some 62mm First division wheels.
Spitfire still makes 63mm, would go nice on a 7.75” and some destructo’s

I'd personally go with 72 mm wheels on that first setup but to each his own.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 17, 2019, 01:19:42 PM
Walked around 4km both ways to find a skateshop in Australia

(https://i.imgur.com/t5q3t5yl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/X7XfVRJl.jpg)

Arrow 52mm 83a wheels, Australian brand for $25, Spitfires were going for around twice the price.
19mm wide with a "Straight Shot Cut", which should resemble a Spitfire Radial / Radial Slim but just 1mm wider , which I was looking to try. Don't have a tape measure handy, can't wait to try them this weekend.

I've been staring at the Spitfire wheel shape page all day and can't tell if they more closely resemble a conical or radial (or slim). Anyone help me out?

https://www.basementskate.com.au/arrow-shiva-52mm-83b-skateboard-wheels/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2019, 01:45:36 PM
Looks like Radial (or V4) to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 17, 2019, 03:01:26 PM
Looks like Radial (or V4) to me.

Thanks man! I was contemplating heading back to return them if I couldn't confirm they were radials.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Woos on December 17, 2019, 09:11:22 PM
Walked around 4km both ways to find a skateshop in Australia

(https://i.imgur.com/t5q3t5yl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/X7XfVRJl.jpg)

Arrow 52mm 83a wheels, Australian brand for $25, Spitfires were going for around twice the price.
19mm wide with a "Straight Shot Cut", which should resemble a Spitfire Radial / Radial Slim but just 1mm wider , which I was looking to try. Don't have a tape measure handy, can't wait to try them this weekend.

I've been staring at the Spitfire wheel shape page all day and can't tell if they more closely resemble a conical or radial (or slim). Anyone help me out?

https://www.basementskate.com.au/arrow-shiva-52mm-83b-skateboard-wheels/

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


Dimensions remind me of Radials but the cut looks like a Conical/Conical Full. Either would feel similar enough and both are fantastic wheels.

They definitely don’t look like Radials. I don’t have any Radials on me at the moment but they look like these (52mm Radial Slims) but larger and with a more rounded area.

(https://i.imgur.com/Z5OuLV4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NICnNZ8.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 18, 2019, 04:58:34 AM
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Walked around 4km both ways to find a skateshop in Australia

(https://i.imgur.com/t5q3t5yl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/X7XfVRJl.jpg)

Arrow 52mm 83a wheels, Australian brand for $25, Spitfires were going for around twice the price.
19mm wide with a "Straight Shot Cut", which should resemble a Spitfire Radial / Radial Slim but just 1mm wider , which I was looking to try. Don't have a tape measure handy, can't wait to try them this weekend.

I've been staring at the Spitfire wheel shape page all day and can't tell if they more closely resemble a conical or radial (or slim). Anyone help me out?

https://www.basementskate.com.au/arrow-shiva-52mm-83b-skateboard-wheels/
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https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


Dimensions remind me of Radials but the cut looks like a Conical/Conical Full. Either would feel similar enough and both are fantastic wheels.

They definitely don’t look like Radials. I don’t have any Radials on me at the moment but they look like these (52mm Radial Slims) but larger and with a more rounded area.

(https://i.imgur.com/Z5OuLV4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NICnNZ8.jpg)

Thanks for the pic, from the website:
"The Straight Shot Cut has a flatter side profile and a wider riding surface. This shape gives more control on smooth areas and the best flatspot resistance straight out of the pack."

I doubt they would be a conical since they have a separate wheel lineup for their conical stuff:
https://www.basementskate.com.au/arrow-curry-burnout-58mm-103a-skateboard-wheels/
"The Conical shape shaves some of the side of the wheel to allow for the fast grinds and helps minimise hook up potential. "
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 20, 2019, 09:03:22 AM
been enjoying smoothly monster trucking everything in my path. definitely prefer the shape of these over the regular shaped soft wheels
(https://i.imgur.com/iyB9hYBm.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 20, 2019, 11:29:58 AM
been enjoying smoothly monster trucking everything in my path. definitely prefer the shape of these over the regular shaped soft wheels
(https://i.imgur.com/iyB9hYBm.jpg)

I love these wheels. 99a F4 for sensible spots,  Ricta clouds 78a for medium crust, Super juice for spots that are vaguely shaped like a spot, but are so crusty you can barely even walk on them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on December 20, 2019, 02:31:02 PM
I actually had those 63mm physics wheels believe it or not, they were pretty ridiculous though (although physics was a great company). I’m thinking Jerry Fisher/ Half Cab era Fred Gall; not quite on Matt’s level but somewhere in between. Probably 56mm fat wheels on a 8.25 board, nothing huge by today’s standards but they just looked so raw at the time 8)

Who in Okinawa are we taking about?

A few months ago I gave away a set of 58 or 60mm Physics and I've been regretting it ever since. I do have some vintage danny way plan b's that are probably 58ish? set up on a Kanfoush yinzer shape 8.55 deck (the black lance mountain graphic one) with Indy steve olson 149s. Super fun setup, those big old hard wheels just feel so at home on East Coast terrain when you're smashing down the street crushing rock salt and rodent bones and making a horrible racket. Fuck I might have to pull that thing out tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on December 21, 2019, 04:48:54 PM
I’ve been riding some 97a wheels at my local indoor bowl and it’s been going well but I’m still having moments of almost eating it when they start to collect dust after about 4-5 runs, then I gotta wipe em off good.

I’ve never ridden a “cruiser” wheel in my life, those OJ Superjuice ones seem to have good reviews. Has anyone ridden these at an indoor? Also, with the softer “cruiser” type 78a durometer, do they start to chip away if you hit up crusty spots, do slappies, etc? Thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 21, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
I’ve been riding some 97a wheels at my local indoor bowl and it’s been going well but I’m still having moments of almost eating it when they start to collect dust after about 4-5 runs, then I gotta wipe em off good.

I’ve never ridden a “cruiser” wheel in my life, those OJ Superjuice ones seem to have good reviews. Has anyone ridden these at an indoor? Also, with the softer “cruiser” type 78a durometer, do they start to chip away if you hit up crusty spots, do slappies, etc? Thanks.

I haven’t tried them indoors but the Super juice minis haven’t chipped on me at all and I ride some super crusty spots regularly. The Bones rough riders I had chipped to death within two days and the Ricta clouds pock mark quickly but haven’t fully chipped on me either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 21, 2019, 05:04:22 PM
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Walked around 4km both ways to find a skateshop in Australia

(https://i.imgur.com/t5q3t5yl.jpg)
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Arrow 52mm 83a wheels, Australian brand for $25, Spitfires were going for around twice the price.
19mm wide with a "Straight Shot Cut", which should resemble a Spitfire Radial / Radial Slim but just 1mm wider , which I was looking to try. Don't have a tape measure handy, can't wait to try them this weekend.

I've been staring at the Spitfire wheel shape page all day and can't tell if they more closely resemble a conical or radial (or slim). Anyone help me out?

https://www.basementskate.com.au/arrow-shiva-52mm-83b-skateboard-wheels/
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https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


Dimensions remind me of Radials but the cut looks like a Conical/Conical Full. Either would feel similar enough and both are fantastic wheels.

They definitely don’t look like Radials. I don’t have any Radials on me at the moment but they look like these (52mm Radial Slims) but larger and with a more rounded area.

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Thanks for the pic, from the website:
"The Straight Shot Cut has a flatter side profile and a wider riding surface. This shape gives more control on smooth areas and the best flatspot resistance straight out of the pack."

I doubt they would be a conical since they have a separate wheel lineup for their conical stuff:
https://www.basementskate.com.au/arrow-curry-burnout-58mm-103a-skateboard-wheels/
"The Conical shape shaves some of the side of the wheel to allow for the fast grinds and helps minimise hook up potential. "

Looks like they were Conicals, it said so on the back packaging but was covered by the price sticker. Slightly bummed but they are an amazing wheel. Way harder than I'm used to (83b) but they slide so well on ledges. Never landed Nollie Lipslides on boxes before and could slide them today with ease.

Edit: Didn't notice wheel hardness in the past but now I can definitely feel the bumps and cracks a lot more. Now I'm keen to try one F4 99a Radial Slims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on December 22, 2019, 12:39:57 PM
I bought a pair of the samples that loophole has, I liked them a lot, slid great, everything, only problem was one of the wheels bearing seats were messed up and the bearing wouldn’t  set proper, had a horrible wheel wobble, I hope their quality control has improved, those wheels were sick
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 22, 2019, 02:49:06 PM
I bought a pair of the samples that loophole has, I liked them a lot, slid great, everything, only problem was one of the wheels bearing seats were messed up and the bearing wouldn’t  set proper, had a horrible wheel wobble, I hope their quality control has improved, those wheels were sick

Were they harder wheels or did they feel like 99a F4’s? (Or something similar for reference)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on December 23, 2019, 06:55:21 AM
Saw a guy at the park with some OJ Plain Janes sliding around with ease and now I’ve gotta get some. They seemed to skate great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on December 23, 2019, 09:40:01 AM
Dial Tones are pretty damn good. Love the way they slide and roll. Will be getting another set after these 55s are done.

(http://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/604229/files/14819804/dial-tone-wheel-co-dial-tone-maalouf-cat-call-roun.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: slappy50 on December 23, 2019, 07:24:29 PM
anyone know what OJ wheels they are, they look like a nice shape. Thanks, and shalom

the bigger pic is on the oj website right at the top
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on December 24, 2019, 01:18:27 PM
61mm team rider 97a. i have a set and they are good for crustier parks if you like big square wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 24, 2019, 01:47:19 PM
Does anyone know if the OJ 97 formula is the same as the Slimeball 97 formula?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on December 25, 2019, 10:13:49 AM
pretty sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on December 25, 2019, 03:18:45 PM
Does anyone know if the OJ 97 formula is the same as the Slimeball 97 formula?
I've wondered about this for a while.. You can't rebottle a motor oil and label it as a different product (different brand motor oil). I'm pretty sure that's covered by the Magnusson Moss Act.
I.e., Shell/SOPUS owns Shell, Pennzoil, and Quaker State. They can't put the same formula oil in Quaker State and Pennzoil bottles. They have to change something: basestock, additive package, etc.
Following the same thinking you shouldn't be able to label 1 wheel formula as 2 different formulas but things probably aren't as strict in the skate world.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on December 27, 2019, 09:48:22 PM
Anyone had any success skating street with 60mm's? Running them on a setup now while I'm injured just to get around, they feel real nice, F4 Classics. I imagine it would make tricks like smiths and krooks harder yeah?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 27, 2019, 10:42:58 PM
Anyone had any success skating street with 60mm's? Running them on a setup now while I'm injured just to get around, they feel real nice, F4 Classics. I imagine it would make tricks like smiths and krooks harder yeah?

Might be easier to pinch a crook since theres less space between your board and your wheel? Idk. Smiths on ledges do feel a bit weird to me with really big wheels since your truck isn't as flat on the top of the ledge as it would be with slightly smaller wheels. I'm sure it won't be too bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 28, 2019, 04:18:23 AM
Anyone had any success skating street with 60mm's? Running them on a setup now while I'm injured just to get around, they feel real nice, F4 Classics. I imagine it would make tricks like smiths and krooks harder yeah?

I ride 60mm Spitfire Og classics and 58mm conical fulls on some of my set ups. I haven’t noticed really any negative difference in skating street when I keep my trucks medium tightness. I’m riding them loose now so for wheelbites sake I’m riding 53/54’s at the moment.

I thought crooked grinds would be a problem but they are fine with them. I’m still relearning smiths so I couldn’t really say with those. Flip tricks require a bit more effort, but I don’t have a huge selection I can do anyway (kick/heel flip and 360 Kickflip) and that is also likely because of the size of the entire set up being bigger.

I like the monster truck feeling of riding big wheels like that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: professor pound cake on December 29, 2019, 12:49:39 PM
hey guys

im looking for a slimmer than average 50mm 99a wheel.

any recommendations?

thanks pal

shafom
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 29, 2019, 01:48:02 PM
hey guys

im looking for a slimmer than average 50mm 99a wheel.

any recommendations?

thanks pal

shafom

Isn’t crupie pretty slim?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 29, 2019, 06:27:05 PM
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/

The slims are pretty skinny already.

http://autobahnwheelco.com/autobahntech/

If you can find them Autobahn gets down down 0.5mm skinner but I think we're splitting hairs at this point.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: professor pound cake on December 29, 2019, 08:47:09 PM
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/

The slims are pretty skinny already.

http://autobahnwheelco.com/autobahntech/

If you can find them Autobahn gets down down 0.5mm skinner but I think we're splitting hairs at this point.


thank you, those bones look sweet

is autobahn still in business? if not then thats a bummer



sharom
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: professor pound cake on December 29, 2019, 08:48:41 PM
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hey guys

im looking for a slimmer than average 50mm 99a wheel.

any recommendations?

thanks pal

shafom
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Isn’t crupie pretty slim?


ill check crupie out, thank you! never heard of them till i was reading through this thread


shacom
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on December 29, 2019, 09:29:27 PM
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https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/

The slims are pretty skinny already.

http://autobahnwheelco.com/autobahntech/

If you can find them Autobahn gets down down 0.5mm skinner but I think we're splitting hairs at this point.
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thank you, those bones look sweet

is autobahn still in business? if not then thats a bummer



sharom
I've wondered the same thing. I think it's dead as far as a team is concerned. But it seems like AEND is still selling old wheels. I think they also own the trademark. I thought it was Jason Rogers' company. Maybe he lost it to them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AssFlea on December 30, 2019, 07:23:28 AM
Anyone riding dial tones?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 30, 2019, 10:26:04 AM
Bones is really pumping out those 99's, I'll prolly skate the again....V2's in a bunch of sizes...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on December 30, 2019, 12:00:47 PM
Anyone riding dial tones?
Yes. I ride 52 mm 101 conicals, they're pretty f4 conical full-ish in size. I flatspotted one wheel first or second session, I landed in a full pressure revert, would probably flatspot brand new f4 and stfs as well. Managed to ride it out in a couple of days and since then they've been awesome, I really like them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 30, 2019, 04:50:48 PM
Help me decide fellas:

Spitfire Radial Slims in 51mm 99a
Spitfire Radial Slims in 54mm 101a
Bone V1 52mm 83b

Always wanted to try a pair of Radial Slims and heard the V1 is pretty close to the shape. I'm riding a conical shape now in 83b, the wide riding patch is great but I'm feeling every crack and bump in the road. I'm torn between going up or down in terms of wheel size, I'm riding 52mm right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 30, 2019, 05:03:08 PM
Help me decide fellas:

Spitfire Radial Slims in 51mm 99a
Spitfire Radial Slims in 54mm 101a
Bone V1 52mm 83b

Always wanted to try a pair of Radial Slims and heard the V1 is pretty close to the shape. I'm riding a conical shape now in 83b, the wide riding patch is great but I'm feeling every crack and bump in the road. I'm torn between going up or down in terms of wheel size, I'm riding 52mm right now.

wasnt a choice but id say radial slim 54 99a. im riding 52 99a and i would size up cause i love to slide on them. popular complaint of this shape is that the 101a is too brutal on anything but smooth ground so id assume the same would be said about 83b bones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on December 30, 2019, 05:14:19 PM
Help me decide fellas:

Spitfire Radial Slims in 51mm 99a
Spitfire Radial Slims in 54mm 101a
Bone V1 52mm 83b

Done
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 30, 2019, 05:40:18 PM
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Help me decide fellas:

Spitfire Radial Slims in 51mm 99a
Spitfire Radial Slims in 54mm 101a
Bone V1 52mm 83b

Always wanted to try a pair of Radial Slims and heard the V1 is pretty close to the shape. I'm riding a conical shape now in 83b, the wide riding patch is great but I'm feeling every crack and bump in the road. I'm torn between going up or down in terms of wheel size, I'm riding 52mm right now.
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wasnt a choice but id say radial slim 54 99a. im riding 52 99a and i would size up cause i love to slide on them. popular complaint of this shape is that the 101a is too brutal on anything but smooth ground so id assume the same would be said about 83b bones

54mm in 99a are in stock, I'll go for them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on December 30, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
I'm browsing the 55-ish mm v-cut marketplace...
Curious about Portland wheels. These look pretty tits, but 104a? I bet they suck. Anybody skate them?

(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=PWTEPWH-MU5-3.jpg&nw=200)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on December 30, 2019, 07:21:34 PM
no such thing as 104a...

(http://pa1.narvii.com/5922/85ae7764c68ba4cb6a8d6def70c9fa1d8c143e43_hq.gif)

PWC use Creative Urethane. Some people really like it and I wish I could support it and other smaller wheel companies but every time I try, I quickly remember its just slower and less durable compared to the big 2. Not much can compare to Bones SPF/STF or Spitfire F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AssFlea on December 30, 2019, 07:35:54 PM
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Anyone riding dial tones?
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Yes. I ride 52 mm 101 conicals, they're pretty f4 conical full-ish in size. I flatspotted one wheel first or second session, I landed in a full pressure revert, would probably flatspot brand new f4 and stfs as well. Managed to ride it out in a couple of days and since then they've been awesome, I really like them.

thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on December 30, 2019, 07:48:19 PM
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Help me decide fellas:

Spitfire Radial Slims in 51mm 99a
Spitfire Radial Slims in 54mm 101a
Bone V1 52mm 83b

Always wanted to try a pair of Radial Slims and heard the V1 is pretty close to the shape. I'm riding a conical shape now in 83b, the wide riding patch is great but I'm feeling every crack and bump in the road. I'm torn between going up or down in terms of wheel size, I'm riding 52mm right now.
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wasnt a choice but id say radial slim 54 99a. im riding 52 99a and i would size up cause i love to slide on them. popular complaint of this shape is that the 101a is too brutal on anything but smooth ground so id assume the same would be said about 83b bones
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54mm in 99a are in stock, I'll go for them.

My favourite wheel for sure.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on December 30, 2019, 07:50:13 PM
no such thing as 104a...

(http://pa1.narvii.com/5922/85ae7764c68ba4cb6a8d6def70c9fa1d8c143e43_hq.gif)

PWC use Creative Urethane. Some people really like it and I wish I could support it and other smaller wheel companies but every time I try, I quickly remember its just slower and less durable compared to the big 2. Not much can compare to Bones SPF/STF or Spitfire F4s.
Does anyone have more info on who makes what wheels? There's 3-4 US companies making wheels for other brands? Then some smaller companies selling cheaper stuff? Several factories in China?


Creative - 1st urethane wheel, right?

Mearthane - Speed Wheels in the 80's?

AEND - Darkstar (still?), Wreck, Autobahn
They do good cored wheels? Bunch of companies used them, I remember seeing an Element cored wheel in an AEND vid

Labeda - Mostly longerboard, blader, rollerskate stuff? Specialize in cored wheels too?


Skateone - Powell, Bones

Pointech - Spitfire
Did they do Hubba back in the day?
What about an Alva brand called Charger wheels?
Mid-90's brand with a bunch of Plan B riders? Dway, Colin, Duffy. Wheels were really icey, slid too well


Small guys..
Control - did Satori Movement?

Point Distribution - look like blank shop wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on December 30, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
no such thing as 104a...

(http://pa1.narvii.com/5922/85ae7764c68ba4cb6a8d6def70c9fa1d8c143e43_hq.gif)

PWC use Creative Urethane. Some people really like it and I wish I could support it and other smaller wheel companies but every time I try, I quickly remember its just slower and less durable compared to the big 2. Not much can compare to Bones SPF/STF or Spitfire F4s.

Thanks. Slower and less durable... I'll pass.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on December 30, 2019, 11:56:29 PM
Anyone tried the new wide v6 bones?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jollyoli on December 31, 2019, 01:48:03 AM
I really wish we could all just get over it and move onto the d scale.
A little comparison branding at the start 99a=50d and then you'd have a more accurate true measure.
Everybody hates change but buying a new wheel brand is a crap shoot as is, never mind trying to figure out if 86b is going suit better than 101a.
They are the second most replaced part of your set up. Companies all agreed to move to the new truck hole pattern, why not durometer scale?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Roisto on December 31, 2019, 02:33:26 AM
I really wish we could all just get over it and move onto the d scale.
A little comparison branding at the start 99a=50d and then you'd have a more accurate true measure.
Everybody hates change but buying a new wheel brand is a crap shoot as is, never mind trying to figure out if 86b is going suit better than 101a.
They are the second most replaced part of your set up. Companies all agreed to move to the new truck hole pattern, why not durometer scale?

I have a scale D durometer and it doesn’t show any difference between 101A and 99A Formula Fours. Unfortunately I feel like something better should be developed for assessing skateboard wheel hardness, grip etc.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AddisonBoards on January 01, 2020, 01:50:26 PM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hangontoyourego on January 01, 2020, 02:00:14 PM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
Softer wheels and clean the bowl . I used to skate and indoor park and after a few runs you’d have to slide your wheels also if the wheels I get the crud off because the lazy humans working there wouldn’t clean the park . When I asked the person to clean the park she was all gross ! Yeah no shit we don’t want to skate this . Somewhere in flemington nj
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on January 01, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.

I have some 95a speedlab’s exclusively for dusty indoor tranny. They’re dogshit on anything else, but for indoor skatlelite they’re just the ticket.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 01, 2020, 02:03:01 PM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.

currently running some 54mm Heroin 101a's, skated a couple varying indoor ramps and haven't had any sudden slip outs or anything like that. Somewhat grippy but still slide if needed. Maybe drop to 99a or even 97 if you're worried.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on January 01, 2020, 03:23:21 PM
I have some 56mm 101 F4 Classics that’s I’ve barely skated and I’ll probably never get to them. I’ve settled on a much smaller wheel as best for me. Anyone got some 50-53mm wheels laying around and wanna trade?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 01, 2020, 08:21:05 PM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.

Bones SPF 81b - perfect balance of fast as hell and grippy
Santa Cruz Slimeballs 97a - nice wide contact patch on the 60mm's. If 60mm is too big they make minis too
Speedlab Bombshells 99a - 57mm fast, grips like slimeballs, great all-around wheel
Speedlab Nomads 97a - 56mm fast and grippy

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ultrabra on January 02, 2020, 01:01:23 AM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.

I had a set of mini logo C-cut 101's a while ago. They felt much softer than that.
I would go with 97 and under.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyz on January 02, 2020, 01:48:06 AM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.

my slime ball 97a's are good for dusty concrete, so are my OJ Dressen 101's...but funnily enough my new OJ Nora 101's slide out a lot!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on January 02, 2020, 11:46:56 AM
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I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
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Softer wheels and clean the bowl . I used to skate and indoor park and after a few runs you’d have to slide your wheels also if the wheels I get the crud off because the lazy humans working there wouldn’t clean the park . When I asked the person to clean the park she was all gross ! Yeah no shit we don’t want to skate this . Somewhere in flemington nj

Shields! I never even went there because of how slippery everyone said it was.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 02, 2020, 12:15:02 PM
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I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
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my slime ball 97a's are good for dusty concrete, so are my OJ Dressen 101's...but funnily enough my new OJ Nora 101's slide out a lot!

Are they elites? I have yet to try them. Was eyeballing a set in my local, 54mm 99a hardline elites, wide and white AF. They looks really tempting.

Crazily enough, I had a dream last night where this chic was telling my that my 52mm wheels weren't big enough for my ollies...lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyz on January 02, 2020, 12:45:04 PM
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I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
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my slime ball 97a's are good for dusty concrete, so are my OJ Dressen 101's...but funnily enough my new OJ Nora 101's slide out a lot!
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Are they elites? I have yet to try them. Was eyeballing a set in my local, 54mm 99a hardline elites, wide and white AF. They looks really tempting.

Crazily enough, I had a dream last night where this chic was telling my that my 52mm wheels weren't big enough for my ollies...lol

Yeah all elites. The Dressen is mini combo and Nora is hardline...both wide, but maybe different shape makes a difference
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 02, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
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I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
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my slime ball 97a's are good for dusty concrete, so are my OJ Dressen 101's...but funnily enough my new OJ Nora 101's slide out a lot!
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Are they elites? I have yet to try them. Was eyeballing a set in my local, 54mm 99a hardline elites, wide and white AF. They looks really tempting.

Crazily enough, I had a dream last night where this chic was telling my that my 52mm wheels weren't big enough for my ollies...lol
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Yeah all elites. The Dressen is mini combo and Nora is hardline...both wide, but maybe different shape makes a difference

I really want those 54 hardline elites, they just look cool/super skateable.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imafugyashizup on January 03, 2020, 08:45:36 PM
Does anyone know what the difference between the slarve vomit minis and the regular vomit minis? Is there a difference? Been eying some slimeballs for a minute.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 03, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.

The answer is 97a. Classic formula spitfires and bones 100’s will still slide out on you. In 97a, I’ve ridden Slimeballs and Speedlabs. Both were high quality and did great outdoors as well. Powerslides were still easy and controllable. Not soft enough to need any plastic cores, either. You could probably go as low as 92a-95a but that’s when it becomes less of a versatile wheel with a bit too much grip once you wanna do everything outside. Just speaking in terms of a wheel that you can still keep using after the winter to get your money’s worth. That’s where the 97a is the sweet spot for all terrain, IMO.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 05, 2020, 07:06:31 PM
Bones is really pumping out those 99's, I'll prolly skate the again....V2's in a bunch of sizes...

I put on my 52 99 V1s today (parking lot session surface is all over the place; smooth, patchy rough,etc.) as previously I skated either STFs/101 F4s or 99a Ricta rapidos; in the same lot the 99a easys didn't feel all that different from the 101 F4s (sort of deadend the board sound and feel with both), slightly grippier and less hard feeling than the STFs and as smooth as the rictas (but they don't slide at all well in this parking lot.

Thinking about getting some 54mm V5s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on January 05, 2020, 07:12:38 PM
Did ride 55mm v5 for a while and they are decent. Slide as well as 99 f4 but a little less consistent. I always feel that spits slide almost the same on all (reasonable) street surfaces, bones would just randomly stick or slide out, at times...

They just sound dead
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on January 07, 2020, 05:26:00 AM
So I flat spotted my spitfire f4's yesterday, it's actually pretty big does anyone know how to get rid of the flat spot? It's noticeable,
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: radcunt on January 07, 2020, 05:34:03 AM
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I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
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my slime ball 97a's are good for dusty concrete, so are my OJ Dressen 101's...but funnily enough my new OJ Nora 101's slide out a lot!

How are the Slime Ball 97a?  I wanna get some minis to have a wheel that can take some rough surfaces while still being a good skate wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on January 07, 2020, 06:03:01 AM
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I'm sure this is somewhere in the thread, but it's 81 pages so I'm asking. What is a good wheel for dusty indoor bowls? I'm currently riding mini logo 55mm 101a and can't stop sliding out.
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my slime ball 97a's are good for dusty concrete, so are my OJ Dressen 101's...but funnily enough my new OJ Nora 101's slide out a lot!
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How are the Slime Ball 97a?  I wanna get some minis to have a wheel that can take some rough surfaces while still being a good skate wheel.
if you want to resemble a normal shaped street/skate wheel, then oj keyframe.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 07, 2020, 06:27:55 AM
So I flat spotted my spitfire f4's yesterday, it's actually pretty big does anyone know how to get rid of the flat spot? It's noticeable,

ride em out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on January 07, 2020, 07:33:55 AM
So ACID wheels. I love them, but they seem rarely discussed on here.

You guys need to try some ACID. I don't have any of the 99a or up duros, I'm an F4 loyalist there, but for those mid 80s ranges, the skaterades and pods are some of the best wheels I've ever skated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 07, 2020, 11:31:00 AM
I would love to but here is impossible to find them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 07, 2020, 12:16:34 PM


How are the Slime Ball 97a?  I wanna get some minis to have a wheel that can take some rough surfaces while still being a good skate wheel.

Coming soon is a Mini Logo 95a formula that will be their A cut shape will be available in 52, 54 and 56.  I've been looking for something similar and MiniLogo wheels are generally around $20.  I'll pick some up when they come in.

Later this spring, Bones is going to have a new 95a as well.  A couple folks on the SkateOne boards used the prototypes and gave them rave reviews.  My guess is that they are a different formula than the MiniLogo ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 07, 2020, 03:20:55 PM
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How are the Slime Ball 97a?  I wanna get some minis to have a wheel that can take some rough surfaces while still being a good skate wheel.
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Coming soon is a Mini Logo 95a formula that will be their A cut shape will be available in 52, 54 and 56.  I've been looking for something similar and MiniLogo wheels are generally around $20.  I'll pick some up when they come in.

Later this spring, Bones is going to have a new 95a as well.  A couple folks on the SkateOne boards used the prototypes and gave them rave reviews.  My guess is that they are a different formula than the MiniLogo ones.

I'd be down for some 95a wheels - I had a set of 95a OJs a few years go - was hoping for a cushier ride and some slide....didn't slide.
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Post by: Freger on January 07, 2020, 03:29:49 PM
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How are the Slime Ball 97a?  I wanna get some minis to have a wheel that can take some rough surfaces while still being a good skate wheel.
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Coming soon is a Mini Logo 95a formula that will be their A cut shape will be available in 52, 54 and 56.  I've been looking for something similar and MiniLogo wheels are generally around $20.  I'll pick some up when they come in.

Later this spring, Bones is going to have a new 95a as well.  A couple folks on the SkateOne boards used the prototypes and gave them rave reviews.  My guess is that they are a different formula than the MiniLogo ones.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7B9D-ljOjl/?igshid=o81bpzz22okl
I wonder if they will slide well, I'm definitely getting them for my cruiser/transition board. Also can you find a link to that skate one thread? Can't find it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 07, 2020, 04:02:33 PM
I wonder if they will slide well, I'm definitely getting them for my cruiser/transition board. Also can you find a link to that skate one thread? Can't find it

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 07, 2020, 05:02:23 PM
So I flat spotted my spitfire f4's yesterday, it's actually pretty big does anyone know how to get rid of the flat spot? It's noticeable,
Put em on your back truck and power slide the fuck outta them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 07, 2020, 05:45:53 PM
Does anyone know what the difference between the slarve vomit minis and the regular vomit minis? Is there a difference? Been eying some slimeballs for a minute.
I've wondered that too. I think it's just the graphics and the name. Iirc, the heights, widths, and riding surfaces are the same.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on January 07, 2020, 06:03:20 PM
So I flat spotted my spitfire f4's yesterday, it's actually pretty big does anyone know how to get rid of the flat spot? It's noticeable,
Contact Deluxe and their customer service should sort you out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: radcunt on January 08, 2020, 03:37:41 AM
When I was a kid, I rode Slime Balls and OJs and I swear to heck you could slide the shit out of them but they were soft. Like 87a?  Do those kind of wheels still exist?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on January 08, 2020, 05:57:31 AM
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So I flat spotted my spitfire f4's yesterday, it's actually pretty big does anyone know how to get rid of the flat spot? It's noticeable,
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Put em on your back truck and power slide the fuck outta them
it's my back toe wheel which is the one I usually slide, I got it by doing a very nice fs 180 and it squeaked like hell. I rolled around and felt it.
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So I flat spotted my spitfire f4's yesterday, it's actually pretty big does anyone know how to get rid of the flat spot? It's noticeable,
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Contact Deluxe and their customer service should sort you out.
Do they replace them? I don't know if I fully want to get rid of them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on January 08, 2020, 12:51:33 PM
take a good pic and send it to [email protected]

if it's serious, they'll probably hook it up with a new set
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on January 08, 2020, 01:37:47 PM
take a good pic and send it to [email protected]

if it's serious, they'll probably hook it up with a new set
Reed no longer works for Deluxe, sadly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on January 09, 2020, 05:36:20 AM
I think I'll just slide it out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 09, 2020, 06:44:54 AM
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take a good pic and send it to [email protected]

if it's serious, they'll probably hook it up with a new set
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Reed no longer works for Deluxe, sadly.

Damn what happened? He was always a really nice guy and did a great job at representing them with the outstanding warranty dept.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on January 12, 2020, 07:44:15 PM
Does anyone have any experience with the OJ Boserio 97a 60mms? Not sure if theyre just gimicky or actually functional. They look fun for everything except maybe ledges because theyre so wide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on January 13, 2020, 12:57:25 AM
Does anyone have any experience with the OJ Boserio 97a 60mms? Not sure if theyre just gimicky or actually functional. They look fun for everything except maybe ledges because theyre so wide.

Not the Boserio's, but I did have a chance to screw around on a setup with some Slimeballs which are the same duro/formula. They cut a little bit of roughness out of shitty ground, but still slide pretty easily. The ones I tried were the more classic/conical shape though, not the super wide 60's. Wish OJ would make some plain white 97a's in the 54mm range. All they have are those hideous Creature collab things.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Water is Nice on January 13, 2020, 06:33:33 AM
Someone here ordered bunty cakes to Europe? Saw that it was possible now and I'm kinda tempted, but steep shipping at 12 dollars, the wheels are still cheap tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 15, 2020, 04:06:19 AM
I recently decided to give bones another shot and I was pretty surprised by how much I like them. I picked up a set of STF 99s in the v4 wide shape and while I'd still say F4s are better overall the gap is smaller than I thought it would be. They're kind of soft feeling so they're really comfortable on rough east coast asphalt, and I assumed they wouldn't slide because of that but they do and do so well (albeit not as well as F4). They're also quite fast, very close with spits and maybe even better on some terrain. Its probably the honeymoon period but I think I might prefer them on crustier terrain. I like the v4 shape but I wish they had just a regular conical available.

Does anyone know if there's a difference between the "STF ninety-nine" and "easy street" 99a formulas?



Someone here ordered bunty cakes to Europe? Saw that it was possible now and I'm kinda tempted, but steep shipping at 12 dollars, the wheels are still cheap tho.

I'm not EU but I would trust boardy to make sure that you get your wheels. That shipping is totally reasonable to me,  buying a set of wheels in my local shop is $36 so that's about the same. I definitely recommend that you do it.. They aren't going to replace your spitfires, but they're so much fun to mess around and do flat ground tricks on.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on January 15, 2020, 04:58:25 AM

Does anyone know if there's a difference between the "STF ninety-nine" and "easy street" 99a

Im also curious about this. I want to give bones a shot. I had some along time ago and weirdly liked them a lot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 15, 2020, 06:31:40 AM
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Does anyone know if there's a difference between the "STF ninety-nine" and "easy street" 99a
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Im also curious about this. I want to give bones a shot. I had some along time ago and weirdly liked them a lot

the easy streets have "STF 99" printed on them.
I always assumed that "Easy Streets" were just a rebranding of the 99a differentiate them from the 83b wheels they're more known for. Like Spitfire F4's are more associated with the 99a and not the 101a. Bones definitely went with that natural color for the 99a's compete with spitfire. The whole point of Bones is that they were "BONE" white.

If they actually changed the formula I have not idea.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on January 15, 2020, 06:35:04 AM
Bones are toy garbage.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 15, 2020, 07:45:06 AM
Thinking of trying either a set of Bones V1 or V3, looking to try a thinner wheel after trying having fun with Concials For sliding on ledges. I got some V5 on 55mm, think they may be too big, so either a 52 or 53mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 15, 2020, 09:34:37 AM
Thinking of trying either a set of Bones V1 or V3, looking to try a thinner wheel after trying having fun with Concials For sliding on ledges. I got some V5 on 55mm, think they may be too big, so either a 52 or 53mm

I just made the move from the v3 52mm(29mm wide) to the v3 54mm(30mm wide). I haven't skated the 54s yet because of weather. But I loved my time on the 52s. I think that the slim hard wheel takes to damage a little worse than say the v5's which I rode prior to the v3 move. I had some chips in the wheel, that did not affect performance. I tried 2  pairs of crupie, but they flat spotted before the graphic wore off. Spite fire slims are not slim just have a narrower contact patch. I think autobahn were slim but good luck finding them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Water is Nice on January 15, 2020, 11:01:05 AM
Someone here ordered bunty cakes to Europe? Saw that it was possible now and I'm kinda tempted, but steep shipping at 12 dollars, the wheels are still cheap tho.

I'm not EU but I would trust boardy to make sure that you get your wheels. That shipping is totally reasonable to me,  buying a set of wheels in my local shop is $36 so that's about the same. I definitely recommend that you do it.. They aren't going to replace your spitfires, but they're so much fun to mess around and do flat ground tricks on.
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The idea I had was to set up some ventures, skinny board and 42 mm to flip around but imma w8 a while, the small wheels look so cool when they show the whole hanger and nuts that's what I like with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 15, 2020, 03:12:58 PM
Any recommendations on a slim and small 50-51mm wheel? Was checking out the obvious Bones V3s and SF4 radial slims, but didn't know if they're are any other better options like dial tones or anything like that?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2020, 06:23:29 PM
Thinking of trying either a set of Bones V1 or V3, looking to try a thinner wheel after trying having fun with Concials For sliding on ledges. I got some V5 on 55mm, think they may be too big, so either a 52 or 53mm

I've been back on bones since the Easy Streets dropped. V1 shape mostly (I'll swap out my STF V1s 53s I use at the park to the 52 easys when I hit the shit streets out here, makes a world of difference). I've an old run down set of V5s (my favorite shape) and want to grab some in 54 but can't find them, 55 is just too burly (I know one fucking MM). Also have a rundown set of 52 V3s (my other fav shape).

What I'm planning on doing is grabbing some 54MM V3s I think, contact patch is wider than the same size V1/2 but width is still a 'trimmer' shape all around (much like the spit tabs).

Was riding a set of F4101 Radial Slims one day, slid better than the easy streets (and on par with regs STF) but they completely deadend the feel and sound of my board which I hate.

Ultimatley ALL my wheels are hovering around 52/51 and I want to up the game to 54s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on January 15, 2020, 06:57:30 PM
I've rediscovered the simple joys of slappy noseslides and my f4s looked like they were not happy so I bought a few sets of graphic blem bones stf v2 53mm for about $18 a set. I bought them out so don't bother to look unless they put up some new ones.

https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-specials/wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 15, 2020, 07:19:01 PM
I've rediscovered the simple joys of slappy noseslides and my f4s looked like they were not happy so I bought a few sets of graphic blem bones stf v2 53mm for about $18 a set. I bought them out so don't bother to look unless they put up some new ones.

https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-specials/wheels

so 5 sets for $18 but you have no idea whats in the box?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on January 15, 2020, 07:21:05 PM
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Thinking of trying either a set of Bones V1 or V3, looking to try a thinner wheel after trying having fun with Concials For sliding on ledges. I got some V5 on 55mm, think they may be too big, so either a 52 or 53mm
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I've been back on bones since the Easy Streets dropped. V1 shape mostly (I'll swap out my STF V1s 53s I use at the park to the 52 easys when I hit the shit streets out here, makes a world of difference). I've an old run down set of V5s (my favorite shape) and want to grab some in 54 but can't find them, 55 is just too burly. Also have a rundown set of 52 V3s (my othe rfav shape).

What I'm planning on doing is grabbing some 54MM V3s I think, contact patch is wider than the same size V1/2 but width is still a 'trimmer' shape all around (much like the spit tabs).

Was riding a set of F4101 Radial Slims one day, slid better than the easy streets (and on par with regs STF) but they completely deadend the feel and sound of my board which I hate.

Ultimatley ALL my wheels are hovering around 52/51 and I want to up the game to 54s.

54s seem perfect due to the added pop and wear down time. im definitely sizing up from 52s on my next set. they wear down to sub 50 too quickly for my wallet's liking
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 15, 2020, 07:35:43 PM
I've rediscovered the simple joys of slappy noseslides and my f4s looked like they were not happy so I bought a few sets of graphic blem bones stf v2 53mm for about $18 a set. I bought them out so don't bother to look unless they put up some new ones.

https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-specials/wheels

Man, I love that its OK to not ollie into stuff again...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2020, 08:11:10 PM
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Thinking of trying either a set of Bones V1 or V3, looking to try a thinner wheel after trying having fun with Concials For sliding on ledges. I got some V5 on 55mm, think they may be too big, so either a 52 or 53mm
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I've been back on bones since the Easy Streets dropped. V1 shape mostly (I'll swap out my STF V1s 53s I use at the park to the 52 easys when I hit the shit streets out here, makes a world of difference). I've an old run down set of V5s (my favorite shape) and want to grab some in 54 but can't find them, 55 is just too burly. Also have a rundown set of 52 V3s (my othe rfav shape).

What I'm planning on doing is grabbing some 54MM V3s I think, contact patch is wider than the same size V1/2 but width is still a 'trimmer' shape all around (much like the spit tabs).

Was riding a set of F4101 Radial Slims one day, slid better than the easy streets (and on par with regs STF) but they completely deadend the feel and sound of my board which I hate.

Ultimately ALL my wheels are hovering around 52/51 and I want to up the game to 54s.
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54s seem perfect due to the added pop and wear down time. im definitely sizing up from 52s on my next set. they wear down to sub 50 too quickly for my wallet's liking

I'm on taller trucks (tensorATG) with a shorter tail so bigger wheels is the way to go for me popwise. I really wanted to go for some conical fulls (been slappy sessioning more recently with those tensor mags :P) but can't find anything local but 52s...I'd go for 54mm V5 easys if I could find them (I know my local has the v3 54s tho)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on January 15, 2020, 09:44:01 PM
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I've rediscovered the simple joys of slappy noseslides and my f4s looked like they were not happy so I bought a few sets of graphic blem bones stf v2 53mm for about $18 a set. I bought them out so don't bother to look unless they put up some new ones.

https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-specials/wheels
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so 5 sets for $18 but you have no idea whats in the box?
No, they had graphic blemished wheels on sale for $25 each set. I had some points that I got from a previous purchase which knocked the price down further. I bought 4 sets for free shipping.

That current offer is for longboard wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 15, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
Anyone looking for an excellent indoor wheel should try these. I’ve been skating them for a couple weeks and they don’t slip at all. Powerslide perfectly fine on streets and concrete. The wheel graphic color is incorrect on their photo. Mine came red/black.

http://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-ripper-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-4pk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 15, 2020, 10:54:13 PM
Anyone looking for an excellent indoor wheel should try these. I’ve been skating them for a couple weeks and they don’t slip at all. Powerslide perfectly fine on streets and concrete. The wheel graphic color is incorrect on their photo. Mine came red/black.

http://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-ripper-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-4pk
I've been eyeballing these for a cruiser-ish setup. The graphic and Powell stigma put me off a lil.
What's the width like? Similar to conical full or Bones wide-cut? Wider?
What do they sound like when they slide? Screechy? Goose call? Quiet?


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Does anyone have any experience with the OJ Boserio 97a 60mms? Not sure if theyre just gimicky or actually functional. They look fun for everything except maybe ledges because theyre so wide.
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Not the Boserio's, but I did have a chance to screw around on a setup with some Slimeballs which are the same duro/formula. They cut a little bit of roughness out of shitty ground, but still slide pretty easily. The ones I tried were the more classic/conical shape though, not the super wide 60's. Wish OJ would make some plain white 97a's in the 54mm range. All they have are those hideous Creature collab things.
Same question. What do they sound like?
And are all the 97a's the og formula?

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/search?Search=97a
Teamriders for $25
I always like the teamrider shape but too big for me now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 16, 2020, 06:28:50 AM
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Thinking of trying either a set of Bones V1 or V3, looking to try a thinner wheel after trying having fun with Concials For sliding on ledges. I got some V5 on 55mm, think they may be too big, so either a 52 or 53mm
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I've been back on bones since the Easy Streets dropped. V1 shape mostly (I'll swap out my STF V1s 53s I use at the park to the 52 easys when I hit the shit streets out here, makes a world of difference). I've an old run down set of V5s (my favorite shape) and want to grab some in 54 but can't find them, 55 is just too burly. Also have a rundown set of 52 V3s (my othe rfav shape).

What I'm planning on doing is grabbing some 54MM V3s I think, contact patch is wider than the same size V1/2 but width is still a 'trimmer' shape all around (much like the spit tabs).

Was riding a set of F4101 Radial Slims one day, slid better than the easy streets (and on par with regs STF) but they completely deadend the feel and sound of my board which I hate.

Ultimately ALL my wheels are hovering around 52/51 and I want to up the game to 54s.
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54s seem perfect due to the added pop and wear down time. im definitely sizing up from 52s on my next set. they wear down to sub 50 too quickly for my wallet's liking
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I'm on taller trucks (tensorATG) with a shorter tail so bigger wheels is the way to go for me popwise. I really wanted to go for some conical fulls (been slappy sessioning more recently with those tensor mags :P) but can't find anything local but 52s...I'd go for 54mm V5 easys if I could find them (I know my local has the v3 54s tho)

Got a pair of V1 in 52mm, been looking for a softer wheel but they were going at $18 so I thought why not. I'll set it up this weekend.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: spacial_profiling on January 16, 2020, 07:16:07 AM
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Does anyone know if there's a difference between the "STF ninety-nine" and "easy street" 99a
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Im also curious about this. I want to give bones a shot. I had some along time ago and weirdly liked them a lot

Ben Degros does a 99 Easy Streets review and speaks to all of this. Worth a watch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: spacial_profiling on January 16, 2020, 07:17:06 AM
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Does anyone know if there's a difference between the "STF ninety-nine" and "easy street" 99a
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Im also curious about this. I want to give bones a shot. I had some along time ago and weirdly liked them a lot
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the easy streets have "STF 99" printed on them.
I always assumed that "Easy Streets" were just a rebranding of the 99a differentiate them from the 83b wheels they're more known for. Like Spitfire F4's are more associated with the 99a and not the 101a. Bones definitely went with that natural color for the 99a's compete with spitfire. The whole point of Bones is that they were "BONE" white.

If they actually changed the formula I have not idea.

I’m pretty sure they’re named Bones after Ray “Bones” Rodriquez. If they applied that other thinking thereafter it was probably a gimmick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 16, 2020, 07:52:24 AM
'easy streets' and 'dirty birds' were phased out (because they suck name-wise and cause brand/product confusion).

Both the white and dirty birds easy streets are now the 99a stfs, as they should have been from the start.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 16, 2020, 08:20:49 AM
Anyone looking for an excellent indoor wheel should try these. I’ve been skating them for a couple weeks and they don’t slip at all. Powerslide perfectly fine on streets and concrete. The wheel graphic color is incorrect on their photo. Mine came red/black.

http://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-ripper-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-4pk

I had these as well, work great outside on crusty surfaces, I really wanted to like them but they were a little too big for my liking. Wish they would make a 52 or 51 version 97a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diamonds and Wood on January 16, 2020, 08:30:33 AM
Anyone fuck with those Pig Prime Naturals? And where are they made?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 16, 2020, 04:23:22 PM
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Does anyone know if there's a difference between the "STF ninety-nine" and "easy street" 99a
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Im also curious about this. I want to give bones a shot. I had some along time ago and weirdly liked them a lot
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the easy streets have "STF 99" printed on them.
I always assumed that "Easy Streets" were just a rebranding of the 99a differentiate them from the 83b wheels they're more known for. Like Spitfire F4's are more associated with the 99a and not the 101a. Bones definitely went with that natural color for the 99a's compete with spitfire. The whole point of Bones is that they were "BONE" white.

If they actually changed the formula I have not idea.
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I’m pretty sure they’re named Bones after Ray “Bones” Rodriquez. If they applied that other thinking thereafter it was probably a gimmick.
I forget about Ray Bones..
Was gonna say watch Animal Chin or the older vids and look for white wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on January 16, 2020, 05:50:23 PM
Anyone fuck with those Pig Prime Naturals? And where are they made?

Pigs are just Bones Wheels rejects. Not all wheels turn out perfectly so Pig buys Bones rejects then they trim a bit of the urethane off to make them consistent. Then a pig swallows them in even sets of 4. 53mm one day, 58mm another day not to stretch out the pigs rectum. After that they are rinsed and sold at a loss. Pig Wheels operates at a deficit of 30k a year to supply the buyer with the best possible wheels. The spirit of the Pig lies within the wheel forever and gives you that pop and slide that is so desired by the skate industry right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lysdexia on January 16, 2020, 09:36:06 PM
i had always wondered about the setup at Pig, thanks for the enlightenment
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on January 16, 2020, 11:04:20 PM
i had always wondered about the setup at Pig, thanks for the enlightenment

Don't get me started on Pig Wood
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 17, 2020, 06:03:41 AM
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i had always wondered about the setup at Pig, thanks for the enlightenment
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Don't get me started on Pig Wood

old Bacon decks trimmed down?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 17, 2020, 08:31:07 PM
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Anyone looking for an excellent indoor wheel should try these. I’ve been skating them for a couple weeks and they don’t slip at all. Powerslide perfectly fine on streets and concrete. The wheel graphic color is incorrect on their photo. Mine came red/black.

http://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-ripper-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-4pk
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I've been eyeballing these for a cruiser-ish setup. The graphic and Powell stigma put me off a lil.
What's the width like? Similar to conical full or Bones wide-cut? Wider?
What do they sound like when they slide? Screechy? Goose call? Quiet?


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Does anyone have any experience with the OJ Boserio 97a 60mms? Not sure if theyre just gimicky or actually functional. They look fun for everything except maybe ledges because theyre so wide.
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Not the Boserio's, but I did have a chance to screw around on a setup with some Slimeballs which are the same duro/formula. They cut a little bit of roughness out of shitty ground, but still slide pretty easily. The ones I tried were the more classic/conical shape though, not the super wide 60's. Wish OJ would make some plain white 97a's in the 54mm range. All they have are those hideous Creature collab things.
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Same question. What do they sound like?
And are all the 97a's the og formula?

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/search?Search=97a
Teamriders for $25
I always like the teamrider shape but too big for me now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 18, 2020, 06:27:03 AM
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Anyone looking for an excellent indoor wheel should try these. I’ve been skating them for a couple weeks and they don’t slip at all. Powerslide perfectly fine on streets and concrete. The wheel graphic color is incorrect on their photo. Mine came red/black.

http://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-ripper-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-4pk
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I've been eyeballing these for a cruiser-ish setup. The graphic and Powell stigma put me off a lil.
What's the width like? Similar to conical full or Bones wide-cut? Wider?
What do they sound like when they slide? Screechy? Goose call? Quiet?

I’ve only been able to skate indoor mostly because it’s been too cold and/or snow. I did skate them outside one session and remember them chirping enough to be satisfied. They’re a conical cut but more of a skinny looking wheel, like a V2 bones shape but more conical-y.

I had these as well, work great outside on crusty surfaces, I really wanted to like them but they were a little too big for my liking. Wish they would make a 52 or 51 version 97a.

I’ve been skating 56-58mm for awhile so these actually look tiny to me now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 19, 2020, 08:21:09 PM
Ok. Thanks. I'm hoping for a chirpy 97a, at least that direction sound-wise. They're almost the only game in town for white 97a wheels too.

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/nomads-56mm-97a
https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/bill-danforth-pro-model-58mm-97a
These look wide and they're white. Is it ok/pc to support the nomad? I haven't been keeping up
Also have black 55mm/96a and grey 60mm/98a

http://rainskateswheels.com
Idk if I could handle the colors. Definitely not the wired cuts/shapes

Old fart tangent..
Do wheels sound different now? I haven't ridden softer than 99a in decades.
edit: sorry for putting mike v on you guys but at least it's og stuff. skip to 2:40 for skating
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4M5rPSf0ZY
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 19, 2020, 11:15:20 PM
Ok. Thanks. I'm hoping for a chirpy 97a, at least that direction sound-wise. They're almost the only game in town for white 97a wheels too.

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/nomads-56mm-97a
https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/bill-danforth-pro-model-58mm-97a
These look wide and they're white. Is it ok/pc to support the nomad? I haven't been keeping up
Also have black 55mm/96a and grey 60mm/98a

http://rainskateswheels.com
Idk if I could handle the colors. Definitely not the wired cuts/shapes

Old fart tangent..
Do wheels sound different now? I haven't ridden softer than 99a in decades.
edit: sorry for putting mike v on you guys but at least it's og stuff. skip to 2:40 for skating
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4M5rPSf0ZY

Mic tech and old petroleum-based wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 19, 2020, 11:25:22 PM
Really? I'd guessed that there was a big chemical change at some point but didn't know for sure.
When was the change away from petroleum based? Around the time F1's came out?
And what did they change to?
Did it have anything to do with the Kyoto Protocol? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dakara on January 23, 2020, 06:10:42 AM
Looking for some advice on softer street wheels. My girlfriend wants to start skating so I’m planning out her setup. She said she wants to buy me a setup for valentines so I’m gonna hand me down my Indy 129’s and let her choose an 8 inch or whatever she likes. The only part of the setup I haven’t figured out is the wheels. I don’t think she’s going to do much besides maybe learn to Ollie so this board will be mostly for skating around Tokyo, parks and skate parks with me while I skate. I figure a softer street wheel that’s on the larger side will be ideal. Problem is I have basically no knowledge on those, I basically stopped thinking about wheels since I started using formula fours.

I don’t think I wanna go with a straight up cruiser wheel, but want something in 54-55 that is soft enough to roll over bumps and deeply grouted tile without too much popping effort or bone rattling harshness, while still feeling somewhat like a “normal” street wheel.

Any advice would be appreciated since I have no idea were to start with these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on January 23, 2020, 06:19:05 AM
Looking for some advice on softer street wheels. My girlfriend wants to start skating so I’m planning out her setup. She said she wants to buy me a setup for valentines so I’m gonna hand me down my Indy 129’s and let her choose an 8 inch or whatever she likes. The only part of the setup I haven’t figured out is the wheels. I don’t think she’s going to do much besides maybe learn to Ollie so this board will be mostly for skating around Tokyo, parks and skate parks with me while I skate. I figure a softer street wheel that’s on the larger side will be ideal. Problem is I have basically no knowledge on those, I basically stopped thinking about wheels since I started using formula fours.

I don’t think I wanna go with a straight up cruiser wheel, but want something in 54-55 that is soft enough to roll over bumps and deeply grouted tile without too much popping effort or bone rattling harshness, while still feeling somewhat like a “normal” street wheel.

Any advice would be appreciated since I have no idea were to start with these.
ricta clouds - there's a few different formulas depending how soft you want to go and have gotten positive reviews on here. OJ Keyframe 87a are nice i just set those up. Kind of sound perfect for what you are looking for. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 23, 2020, 07:01:46 AM
okay so I promised this one a while back but shit has been busy since being back at work after the break.
disclaimer: I usually ride nothing but spitfire F4 99 classic and radial slims in size 54mm - I'm old and stuck in my ways and don't want to change but, as I mentioned a few pages back, I wanted to set up a EE3 era inspired board that had some big chunky wheels that were reminiscent of what those guys were riding back then, I was thinking I wanted something like physics wheels and ended up getting these 56mm conical loopholes:
(https://i.imgur.com/lDitH7V.jpg?1)
said set-up looks/ looked like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/CAOEXZt.jpg?1)


initial impressions: as you've probably seen from pics, these wheels are NOT white and look quite old from the get-go. I usually skate F4s so this isn't a problem per se but they are more yellow than brand new F4s. I also noticed little air bubbles/ imperfections in the finishing which kinda reminded me of 90s wheels too!

first skate: I set them up ready to break them in over xmas/ new year because I knew I had enough time off to get a good 7 - 10 session in. The first roll I had on them was in front of my house on the rough road with my son. Hard to judge from this session but they felt nice and fast (probably because I ride 54mm usually) and it was good to see they had no tread on them, just like my beloved F4s. also, the get DIRTY! maybe it's the bigger riding surface but they seemed so fucking grimy after each of my skates...

Second session: Off to my local DIY. The ground there is concrete but still smooth enough to get good power slides on. I do quite a lot of frontside power slides and little switch front 360 ones and straight off the bat I could tell they are down to slide and were quire responsive/ similar to F4s. These ones are listed as 101s (or 84b or some shit) and I could tell they were a tad more slippery than regular F4 99s especially when skating another local spot that has granite tiles on the ground.

third and forth sessions: not gunna lie, I had a lot of fun on this setup and it was the exact look/ feel I was looking for. I did skate a lot over the break and while I'm hardly progressing these days I felt that there wasn't something right about all the skates I had, I was still landing stuff but some tricks were a pain and I was having particular problems with long board slide/ lip slide type tricks on the local ledge. Of course I blame the wheels because I never had this problem with my F4s. The other issue was pop, I was ghosting a lot on tricks I don't usually ghost on. sure, it's a new set-up and it's only 2mm difference but it was getting me down, my board felt heavier too (probably 99% mental). how can 2mm fuck me up this much???

few more sessions in front of my house in the cold: what the fuck is wrong with my pop? I'm skating nearly every day and I'm missing simple shit, even just straight nollies are dribbling along the ground. I get fed up with this shit, run in the house and grab and old pair of F4 classic 54mm (probably 52mm at this point) and start changing them over. In my head I don't want to do it, but the kick on this deck is quite short and I NEED to check if it's the wheels or if I just suck at skating. I think the spitties are going to be a lot slower but was surprised to find that there was hardly any difference. I chalk this up to 99 vs 101 issue; the loopholes were harder and thus not as good when riding on rough surfaces. After 5 or so minutes I get my old (man) pop back, my board instantly feels lighter and even though I don't have the "look" I was going for my set-up just feels right.

next session at my local: had a much better session than the last 3 or 4. Lipslide/ long board slide tricks on the ledge still don't work but it was a wax issue, not a wheel issue.

closing thoughts: they aren't terrible wheels, far from it. The color is going to turn a lot of people off, but function wise I liked them a lot, and their slide felt natural and intuitive. The site I bought them off said they were a tad softer than F4 99s. I don't agree with that but I don't think they are on the harder side of 101s either (ala prize fighter cutlery which absolutely rattled my teeth). So yeah, slide better than 99 F4s but I never skate F4 101s so can't compare. I'm thinking of giving them another shot; either on a board with a bigger tail, or back on the northern co. until I can dial the pop in. In hindsight I probably should have just gotten 54mm because a) I never skate bigger than that anyway and b) I don't usually skate conical wheels.

If I end up not doing anything with them, I'm happy to unload them to a fellow pal if they want pay shipping from Japan. Will let you all know... hope this review is somewhat helpful for someone out there!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 23, 2020, 07:48:33 AM
Mini Logo has some 54mm 95a wheels they just put up on their site.  Haven’t seen them in any shops yet, but they may be the ticket.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 23, 2020, 07:57:54 AM
Ok. Thanks. I'm hoping for a chirpy 97a, at least that direction sound-wise. They're almost the only game in town for white 97a wheels too.

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/nomads-56mm-97a
https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/bill-danforth-pro-model-58mm-97a
These look wide and they're white. Is it ok/pc to support the nomad? I haven't been keeping up
Also have black 55mm/96a and grey 60mm/98a

http://rainskateswheels.com
Idk if I could handle the colors. Definitely not the wired cuts/shapes

Old fart tangent..
Do wheels sound different now? I haven't ridden softer than 99a in decades.
edit: sorry for putting mike v on you guys but at least it's og stuff. skip to 2:40 for skating
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4M5rPSf0ZY

God damn I forgot about this part and how good it is, jo music just pure skating. Really hate his personality but I always loved his skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
Im cleaning up a homies board. He doesn't really skate much.

He paid me in buttered tablets haha. Im so stoked ill post when i get home.

Hey who made the wheel that says this wheel is waterproof
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 23, 2020, 09:26:06 PM
Mini Logo has some 54mm 95a wheels they just put up on their site.  Haven’t seen them in any shops yet, but they may be the ticket.
Yep. I'd forgotten about these. Sounds like a good inbetweener duro for a beginner. Should still slide a lil so they don't get stuck kickturning a flat bank. Idk why that looks so irksome to me. Powerslides are tricks too, right? And they should take the bite out of most cracks/seams. I've seen looking at these and 97a for a cruiser/curbstomper.
What's the ground like in Japan? In the vids I've seen most of it looks really smooth. Might not need a true cruiser wheel.
sml also does 92a and minilogo has 90a


Other thing I'd think about is total height, risers, etc. Beginners seem like they bob a lot when pushing on a taller setup. I wonder if they would feel more stable on something a lil lower, no risers, 54-55mm or smaller. I'm not thinking actual low trucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 10:02:00 PM
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Mini Logo has some 54mm 95a wheels they just put up on their site.  Haven’t seen them in any shops yet, but they may be the ticket.
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Other thing I'd think about is total height, risers, etc. Beginners seem like they bob a lot when pushing on a taller setup. I wonder if they would feel more stable on something a lil lower, no risers, 54-55mm or smaller.

i agree
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 23, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Might not need a true cruiser wheel.
sml also does 92a and minilogo has 90a


Other thing I'd think about is total height, risers, etc. Beginners seem like they bob a lot when pushing on a taller setup. I wonder if they would feel more stable on something a lil lower, no risers, 54-55mm or smaller. I'm not thinking actual low trucks.

I put the 90a Mini Logos on my kids boards. They are great for kids that weigh 50 lbs, or on super crud surfaces.  I skated them briefly at the park and they were really soft under my 180 lbs.  Not much slide.  They seem to lean more towards cruiser than not.

The 95a wheels are also coming in 52s.  They are A-cut, which is their wider shape and that should help with smoothing things out without being too soft.

Powell also has a 97a 54mm.

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/powell-peralta-ripper-white-black-red-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-set-of-4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dakara on January 23, 2020, 10:06:04 PM
Thanks for the reply’s guys. Those mini logos sound perfect especially for the price but I don’t see much Powell stuff here besides bones wheels, actually idk if I’ve ever seen mini logo stuff at the shop. I’m sure I can get it online somewhere but I’ll do some research. The ground here is extremely varied, for the most part major roads and sidewalks are relatively smooth,  but off-streets go from really smooth to barely skate able with my ff 54mm 99 tablets every 25meters. There is also a ton of deeply grouted tile in plaza and parks as well as many sidewalks which makes regular street wheels pretty rough, as well as blind people textured blocks all over. All in all its hard to get away with a hard smaller street wheel if you wanna skate around town, imo  a good all terrain wheel is needed to skate around Tokyo even for seasoned skaters. In terms of availability I regularly see OJ stuff so those key frames might be the ticket as well, never seen ricta here either. I am not terribly concerned about slide ability, but just from personal expierance cruiser wheels feel like shit for pop and are too sticky feeling for tricks so I am hesitant to go that route


 Again thanks for the replys!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 23, 2020, 10:20:52 PM
Thanks for the reply’s guys. Those mini logos sound perfect especially for the price but I don’t see much Powell stuff here besides bones wheels, actually idk if I’ve ever seen mini logo stuff at the shop. I’m sure I can get it online somewhere but I’ll do some research. The ground here is extremely varied, for the most part major roads and sidewalks are relatively smooth,  but off-streets go from really smooth to barely skate able with my ff 54mm 99 tablets every 25meters. There is also a ton of deeply grouted tile in plaza and parks as well as many sidewalks which makes regular street wheels pretty rough, as well as blind people textured blocks all over. All in all its hard to get away with a hard smaller street wheel if you wanna skate around town, imo  a good all terrain wheel is needed to skate around Tokyo even for seasoned skaters. In terms of availability I regularly see OJ stuff so those key frames might be the ticket as well, never seen ricta here either. I am not terribly concerned about slide ability, but just from personal expierance cruiser wheels feel like shit for pop and are too sticky feeling for tricks so I am hesitant to go that route


 Again thanks for the replys!
Just in case you didn't notice there's some 97a talk just above your initial post. Oj, slime balls, speedlab, rain skates. Powell.. and that's about it?
Anyone got more 97a options? 53-56mm range would be nice for me..

edit: you guys in Japan should link up. I've counted 3-4 of you guys so far
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 23, 2020, 10:34:30 PM
Just in case you didn't notice there's some 97a talk just above your initial post. Oj, slime balls, speedlab, rain skates. Powell.. and that's about it?
Anyone got more 97a options? 53-56mm range would be nice for me..


Pig - but they seem to be out most places. http://pigwheels.com/multi-pig-head-conical-natural-55mm-97a.html#.XiqO4C3MzOQ

Some cheap blank ones on TGM Skateboards
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 10:59:28 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3n1ruv.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/3n1ruv)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

the first time i quit was over being unable to buy wheels over 48mm. Sometimes that was hard to find. When i came back full time. I wentbto Something Else Skate shop and i got a Natural board with tfours i think. Thunder might have dropped a newer model in 94 and Zimbabwe wheels because tgey was basic and bright white.

Later i rode big east wheels because they reminded me of the Zimbabwe Skateboard Wheel.

I was very happy to have almost proper sized wheels.

Anyway i told my friend id clean and rebuild his bearings. Grind the rust off his trucks and he gave me these 44mm buttered tablets because hes also disabled and poor and is one of my favorite people.

Thank you Tony "Spaz" Spaziani. I know you wont see this but maybe you'll search your name someday and see this.

You are a great friend Spaz.

I luv you holmes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 11:11:08 PM
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heres the wheel with the messd up bearings I cleaned.

This is the 4th or so times I've seen this kind of set up

No shields but inside out so the plastic cages are facing out. The axle nuts where tightened only till the nylon hit so they had major play from side to side.

Who makes this wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 23, 2020, 11:17:15 PM
Oops...

(https://i.imgflip.com/3n1tea.jpg) (https://imgflip.com/i/3n1tea)via Imgflip Meme Generator (https://imgflip.com/memegenerator)

it reads "this wheel is waterproof"

I searched but i got boosted board wheel information
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 24, 2020, 12:08:19 AM
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Just in case you didn't notice there's some 97a talk just above your initial post. Oj, slime balls, speedlab, rain skates. Powell.. and that's about it?
Anyone got more 97a options? 53-56mm range would be nice for me..

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Pig - but they seem to be out most places. http://pigwheels.com/multi-pig-head-conical-natural-55mm-97a.html#.XiqO4C3MzOQ

Some cheap blank ones on TGM Skateboards
Thanks. Pig hasn't been on my radar for a while. These fit the size and cut/shape I'm looking for. I'm putting them 2nd on my list just cuz I wanna try white Slime Ball mini's. Curious about the og formula. Now I just gotta convince myself that I won't eat shit and die for ride a wheel other than Spitties.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 25, 2020, 05:29:27 PM
Speaking of Pig, anybody tried those C-lines? I would love to have some again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 26, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?
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Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 01:44:52 PM
Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?

Yup. Got some bearing lube (I think it was gun oil which is crazy slippery and hard to remove) in the pocket and it slipped like crazy. Thought the axle was slipping for a few hours before I figured it out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 26, 2020, 02:23:06 PM
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Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?
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Yup. Got some bearing lube (I think it was gun oil which is crazy slippery and hard to remove) in the pocket and it slipped like crazy. Thought the axle was slipping for a few hours before I figured it out.

Glad I’m not the only one. I was like how could I be getting axle slip, these trucks are new and haven’t even bashed against the axles hardly, since I’ve just been skating indoor bowl and mini ramp. Initially I started by tapping the axle and that’s what made me go uh-oh. But when it did it again, I noticed it was the inner bearing sitting slightly outside the wheel, and then I’d push it back in like I was installing new bearings, and it would sit inside the wheel a little more, so that’s why I think...or hope...it really is just the wheel being the source of the issue.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 02:37:43 PM
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Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?
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Yup. Got some bearing lube (I think it was gun oil which is crazy slippery and hard to remove) in the pocket and it slipped like crazy. Thought the axle was slipping for a few hours before I figured it out.
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Glad I’m not the only one. I was like how could I be getting axle slip, these trucks are new and haven’t even bashed against the axles hardly, since I’ve just been skating indoor bowl and mini ramp. Initially I started by tapping the axle and that’s what made me go uh-oh. But when it did it again, I noticed it was the inner bearing sitting slightly outside the wheel, and then I’d push it back in like I was installing new bearings, and it would sit inside the wheel a little more, so that’s why I think...or hope...it really is just the wheel being the source of the issue.

Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to rectify. Had to soak the bearing in ethanol and let the wheel dry out for a couple days, but after that everything was kosher (they were F4's so I was fairly confident it wasn't a bum wheel). Hope you get it sorted. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 26, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
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Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?
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Yup. Got some bearing lube (I think it was gun oil which is crazy slippery and hard to remove) in the pocket and it slipped like crazy. Thought the axle was slipping for a few hours before I figured it out.
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Glad I’m not the only one. I was like how could I be getting axle slip, these trucks are new and haven’t even bashed against the axles hardly, since I’ve just been skating indoor bowl and mini ramp. Initially I started by tapping the axle and that’s what made me go uh-oh. But when it did it again, I noticed it was the inner bearing sitting slightly outside the wheel, and then I’d push it back in like I was installing new bearings, and it would sit inside the wheel a little more, so that’s why I think...or hope...it really is just the wheel being the source of the issue.
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Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to rectify. Had to soak the bearing in ethanol and let the wheel dry out for a couple days, but after that everything was kosher (they were F4's so I was fairly confident it wasn't a bum wheel). Hope you get it sorted.

Thanks dude, yeah that’s odd how it happened with F4’s for you, those are usually free from quality control issues. Sometimes chunks come out but that’s the worst I’ve read. I wonder if all the park dust is the culprit for the slippery wheel/bearing?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 26, 2020, 09:17:03 PM
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Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?
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Yup. Got some bearing lube (I think it was gun oil which is crazy slippery and hard to remove) in the pocket and it slipped like crazy. Thought the axle was slipping for a few hours before I figured it out.
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Glad I’m not the only one. I was like how could I be getting axle slip, these trucks are new and haven’t even bashed against the axles hardly, since I’ve just been skating indoor bowl and mini ramp. Initially I started by tapping the axle and that’s what made me go uh-oh. But when it did it again, I noticed it was the inner bearing sitting slightly outside the wheel, and then I’d push it back in like I was installing new bearings, and it would sit inside the wheel a little more, so that’s why I think...or hope...it really is just the wheel being the source of the issue.
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Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to rectify. Had to soak the bearing in ethanol and let the wheel dry out for a couple days, but after that everything was kosher (they were F4's so I was fairly confident it wasn't a bum wheel). Hope you get it sorted.
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Thanks dude, yeah that’s odd how it happened with F4’s for you, those are usually free from quality control issues. Sometimes chunks come out but that’s the worst I’ve read. I wonder if all the park dust is the culprit for the slippery wheel/bearing?
Is this a new/newish wheel? Could be a loose core/seat.
If it's older it could have gotten out of round.
Could be the bearing wasn't fully seated?
Do you guys use bearing spacers? The only time it's happened to me was cuz the spacer didn't let one of the bearings bottom out on the wheel. Or I was a wimpy and could push the dry bearings all the way in.
Tried using Bones Swiss spacers with 54mm classics (33.5mm wide), installed with a bearing press. One bearing on each wheel looked like it was sticking out a lil but I ran em anyways. First sesh knocked a wheel crooked missing a 50-50 on a curb. Straightened the wheel and just ditched the spacers when I got home.

I doubt it's caused by the gun oil but it being super slick might have let the bearing slip out more easily.
Acetone (nail polish remover) might be a stronger solvent, cheap, easy to find, not too smelly.
I hope it doesn't put you off using gun oil. I'd love to hear more feedback on using.
What brand oil?
Synthetic?
Moly? Dry lube?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 50mm on January 26, 2020, 10:02:02 PM
That's weird, I use Remington gun oil on my bearings and have yet to have that happen.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on January 26, 2020, 11:05:47 PM
Can't remember the brand. Just stuff from the hardware store, usually use that or sewing machine oil. It was a one time thing. The outside bearing surface (the part that seats in the wheel) got slathered in it. After I cleaned it out, and cleaned up the bearing, it's never been an issue (this was like 6+ months ago).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 27, 2020, 04:55:23 AM
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Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?
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Yup. Got some bearing lube (I think it was gun oil which is crazy slippery and hard to remove) in the pocket and it slipped like crazy. Thought the axle was slipping for a few hours before I figured it out.
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Glad I’m not the only one. I was like how could I be getting axle slip, these trucks are new and haven’t even bashed against the axles hardly, since I’ve just been skating indoor bowl and mini ramp. Initially I started by tapping the axle and that’s what made me go uh-oh. But when it did it again, I noticed it was the inner bearing sitting slightly outside the wheel, and then I’d push it back in like I was installing new bearings, and it would sit inside the wheel a little more, so that’s why I think...or hope...it really is just the wheel being the source of the issue.
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Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to rectify. Had to soak the bearing in ethanol and let the wheel dry out for a couple days, but after that everything was kosher (they were F4's so I was fairly confident it wasn't a bum wheel). Hope you get it sorted.
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Thanks dude, yeah that’s odd how it happened with F4’s for you, those are usually free from quality control issues. Sometimes chunks come out but that’s the worst I’ve read. I wonder if all the park dust is the culprit for the slippery wheel/bearing?
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Is this a new/newish wheel? Could be a loose core/seat.
If it's older it could have gotten out of round.
Could be the bearing wasn't fully seated?
Do you guys use bearing spacers? The only time it's happened to me was cuz the spacer didn't let one of the bearings bottom out on the wheel. Or I was a wimpy and could push the dry bearings all the way in.
Tried using Bones Swiss spacers with 54mm classics (33.5mm wide), installed with a bearing press. One bearing on each wheel looked like it was sticking out a lil but I ran em anyways. First sesh knocked a wheel crooked missing a 50-50 on a curb. Straightened the wheel and just ditched the spacers when I got home.

I doubt it's caused by the gun oil but it being super slick might have let the bearing slip out more easily.
Acetone (nail polish remover) might be a stronger solvent, cheap, easy to find, not too smelly.
I hope it doesn't put you off using gun oil. I'd love to hear more feedback on using.
What brand oil?
Synthetic?
Moly? Dry lube?

It’s a new wheel. Those Bones “rippers” 97a that I’ve been skating for about a month now indoors. I took my wheels off last night and took all the bearings out. My axles were super greasy for some reason. I never clean or add speed cream to my bearings so not sure how that happened. I wiped the axles off good and then the inner and outer rings of the bearings and inside my wheels. Then put it all back together and tightened the axle nut really far to snug the bearings inside the wheel and then loosened them till there was enough room for them to spin properly. We’ll see if that helps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on January 27, 2020, 07:29:48 PM
Does the Ricta Rapido use the same urethane as Oj's Elite?
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Post by: satan on January 27, 2020, 07:36:50 PM
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Anyone ever have your bearing keep slipping out of your wheel, being mistaken for axle slip?
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Yup. Got some bearing lube (I think it was gun oil which is crazy slippery and hard to remove) in the pocket and it slipped like crazy. Thought the axle was slipping for a few hours before I figured it out.
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Glad I’m not the only one. I was like how could I be getting axle slip, these trucks are new and haven’t even bashed against the axles hardly, since I’ve just been skating indoor bowl and mini ramp. Initially I started by tapping the axle and that’s what made me go uh-oh. But when it did it again, I noticed it was the inner bearing sitting slightly outside the wheel, and then I’d push it back in like I was installing new bearings, and it would sit inside the wheel a little more, so that’s why I think...or hope...it really is just the wheel being the source of the issue.
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Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to rectify. Had to soak the bearing in ethanol and let the wheel dry out for a couple days, but after that everything was kosher (they were F4's so I was fairly confident it wasn't a bum wheel). Hope you get it sorted.
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Thanks dude, yeah that’s odd how it happened with F4’s for you, those are usually free from quality control issues. Sometimes chunks come out but that’s the worst I’ve read. I wonder if all the park dust is the culprit for the slippery wheel/bearing?
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Is this a new/newish wheel? Could be a loose core/seat.
If it's older it could have gotten out of round.
Could be the bearing wasn't fully seated?
Do you guys use bearing spacers? The only time it's happened to me was cuz the spacer didn't let one of the bearings bottom out on the wheel. Or I was a wimpy and could push the dry bearings all the way in.
Tried using Bones Swiss spacers with 54mm classics (33.5mm wide), installed with a bearing press. One bearing on each wheel looked like it was sticking out a lil but I ran em anyways. First sesh knocked a wheel crooked missing a 50-50 on a curb. Straightened the wheel and just ditched the spacers when I got home.

I doubt it's caused by the gun oil but it being super slick might have let the bearing slip out more easily.
Acetone (nail polish remover) might be a stronger solvent, cheap, easy to find, not too smelly.
I hope it doesn't put you off using gun oil. I'd love to hear more feedback on using.
What brand oil?
Synthetic?
Moly? Dry lube?
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It’s a new wheel. Those Bones “rippers” 97a that I’ve been skating for about a month now indoors. I took my wheels off last night and took all the bearings out. My axles were super greasy for some reason. I never clean or add speed cream to my bearings so not sure how that happened. I wiped the axles off good and then the inner and outer rings of the bearings and inside my wheels. Then put it all back together and tightened the axle nut really far to snug the bearings inside the wheel and then loosened them till there was enough room for them to spin properly. We’ll see if that helps.
Ya, weird. Hopefully it didn't fully seat the first do round. If they fall out again I'd really wonder about the roundness of the core.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on January 27, 2020, 09:01:37 PM
found these in my box of oldies....
calipers measure them at 38mm
anyone remember Union Wheel Co?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on January 27, 2020, 09:46:06 PM
found these in my box of oldies....
calipers measure them at 38mm
anyone remember Union Wheel Co?
Yep. Markovich's part was the first time I heard Tool.
Were they originally called Sketers Union? And they were like Speed Wheels 2.0 thru NHS?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 28, 2020, 01:38:25 AM
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calipers measure them at 38mm
anyone remember Union Wheel Co?
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Yep. Markovich's part was the first time I heard Tool.
Were they originally called Sketers Union? And they were like Speed Wheels 2.0 thru NHS?
Todd Congelliere‘s part!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on January 28, 2020, 12:04:42 PM
Anyone a fan of blank wheels, scrapping the graphics off of a set?
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Post by: moonordie on January 28, 2020, 12:48:40 PM
Anyone a fan of blank wheels, scrapping the graphics off of a set?
Nobody got time for that shit
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Post by: munchbox on January 28, 2020, 04:27:15 PM
Anyone a fan of blank wheels, scrapping the graphics off of a set?

graphics in should do the trick with a lifetime to spare
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 28, 2020, 04:46:15 PM
Anyone a fan of blank wheels, scrapping the graphics off of a set?

I did it over the summer to some speedlabs that had a weird graphic in the conical part that wouldn’t get touched. Used some griptape and a mr clean magic eraser lol.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on January 29, 2020, 06:04:26 AM
How are speed lab wheels? how are pigs?
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Post by: satan on January 29, 2020, 06:23:47 AM
http://parkingblockdiaries.blogspot.com/2016/04/keepin-things-rolling-with-speedlab.html
Not a ton of info but semi interesting

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Another interesting TGM find

These $13 wheels -

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboard-wheels-set-58mm-x-34mm-99a-yellow-black/

Look an awful lot like the Speedlab "Exposure" which retail for $33.

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/exposure-58mm-99a

TGM has a couple other ones that look to be from the same manufacturer for that price, so if you want big crazy color swirl wheels this might be a good deal for you.

Edit: It looks like you can get them from TGM's ebay with a set of bearings for a dollar more.

https://ebay.us/JGLyzO
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Same mold holds on the center set for sure.
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Are Creative and Mearathane still big wheel manufacturers? Could both be made by one of them.
There's also AEND and Labeda but I thought Speedlab used one of the og companies.
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Mearthane owns creative.

They're still around and making good wheels. Jivaro and Portland wheel Co are creative and I think, speedlab might be too. As I understand it they're pretty much the bbs or PS Stix of the wheel world. I've got some Jivaro 53mm conicals that are really good (like almost F4 good) and theyve got some other shapes I'm interested in.

I remember seeing a thread on another forum that was the same concept as the woodshop directory but with wheels, I'll see if I can find it when I get home from work.

Edit: Found it

http://www.skaterscafe.com/showthread.php?116166-Who-Pours-What-Wheel

It's a little old and could be outdated so take it with a grain of salt but from that it looks like speedlab is creative/mpc, so I'd assume those other wheels on TGM are creative as well. Also after seeing NHS there I'm wondering if the swirl ones were meant to be slimeballs, they look like the right size/duro and kind of colors that they seem to use. Either way, this all points to TGM selling $13 creative wheels which is a pretty damn good deal.

https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/aend-industries-inc-2529186/ Autobahn

https://www.creativewheelsusa.com/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Nasworthy made 1st urethane wheel (Cadillac)
https://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/the-qualities-of-urethane/ 80's Speed Wheels

https://www.mearthane.com/applications/fitness-recreation/

https://labeda.com just longboarder stuff?

https://www.manta.com/c/mm48nqc/pointech

http://www.calstreets.com/vintage_skateboard_collector_news/the-skate-wheel-according-to-george-powell/
interesting but no modern info. Powell didn't always make their own wheels, they bought their wheel manufacturer in the late-80's?

https://plantech.com/directory-of-polyurethane-additives-for-cast-urethane-parts/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on January 29, 2020, 10:44:53 AM
you are too good to us satan
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Post by: munchbox on January 29, 2020, 10:53:02 AM
you are too good to us satan
that sig ;D cant let that shit die
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on January 29, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
c'mon  guys, be nice, he likes it that way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 144p on January 29, 2020, 12:10:30 PM
Anyone looking for something similar to the feel of f4's with a good screech and good grip to slip ratio should check out these Acid REM formula. Just set some up, super impressed with the feel, bark and slide. John Falahee still pours and cuts all his wheels by hand in his factory. Love this sidecut shape, in between the conical and conical full.
They are A little spendy but cool to support someone still making stuff inhouse by hand, and john is a great human, funny guy and so much history.
https://sopdistribution.com/collections/wheels/products/wheel-acid-rem-serpent?variant=31398677020729
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 29, 2020, 12:36:04 PM
Rad. Appreciate the recommendation. I believe Cal Skate is about to start stocking these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 29, 2020, 02:27:33 PM
How are speed lab wheels? how are pigs?

Never skated pigs but speedlabs are top quality, I’ve had a couple sets now in different durometers and they were great. Highly recommend.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FakieDisaster on January 29, 2020, 07:59:55 PM
does anyone uses bearing spacers with bones wheels? i had to exclude those with my STF 51mm wheels, or else my bearings won't go fully in.
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Post by: darkelfdruid on January 29, 2020, 08:19:34 PM
Does the Ricta Rapido use the same urethane as Oj's Elite?
naw brahj
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: darkelfdruid on January 29, 2020, 08:24:37 PM
does anyone uses bearing spacers with bones wheels? i had to exclude those with my STF 51mm wheels, or else my bearings won't go fully in.
I assume spacers are a mystery to most of us because of this
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on January 30, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
What's going to be the main advantage of a wider wheel? Are there any situations where they perform noticeably  worse than a skinnier wheel? Probably dumb questions..
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Post by: Firebert on January 30, 2020, 09:41:35 AM
What's going to be the main advantage of a wider wheel? Are there any situations where they perform noticeably worse than a skinnier wheel? Probably dumb questions..
Weight distributed over a larger surface area may help you roll over some cracks/bumps. I wouldn't say that there are many situations where it would be noticeable worse.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 30, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
What's going to be the main advantage of a wider wheel? Are there any situations where they perform noticeably  worse than a skinnier wheel? Probably dumb questions..

For me, going from skinny to wide wheels sometimes throws off my flip tricks ever so slightly just due to the fact that they feel a bit clunkier but its a pretty minor difference, unnoticeable for most. You may also notice the reduced grind space if you're already on skinny ish trucks too. But the better handling on rough ground is probably worth it if you're thinking about getting wider wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on January 31, 2020, 08:01:52 AM
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Someone here ordered bunty cakes to Europe? Saw that it was possible now and I'm kinda tempted, but steep shipping at 12 dollars, the wheels are still cheap tho.
12 bucks for USA to Europe shipping is not that bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: spacial_profiling on January 31, 2020, 08:42:35 AM
What's going to be the main advantage of a wider wheel? Are there any situations where they perform noticeably  worse than a skinnier wheel? Probably dumb questions..

Don't like skinny wheels. I like wide cause terrain and because they feel more stable. Better for manuals, wallies... and I use two washers on the inside to get back that grind clearance. IMO riding only wide has more advantages than riding only skinny. Skinny ain't gunna work for a lot of situations as well as wide, and if you have a wider wheel where you may want a skinny it'll work better than the aforementioned inverse. Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 31, 2020, 09:49:18 PM
No advantage to wide wheels imo...a bit smoother on rough terrain (ymmv) but a 99a slim wheel can suffice.
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Post by: layzieyez on January 31, 2020, 10:07:36 PM
Just don't skate some gold wheels riding the fullpipe at Upland like I did and you'll be okay. I totally slipped out going into the bowl at the end, but luckily didn't get wrecked.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 01, 2020, 01:46:19 AM
I'm hoping this doesn't devolve into an argument about simplistic friction models..
Wider is gripper and won't breaking into a slide as easily. Should take a lil more effort to keep them sliding. Won't wear as quickly. And shouldn't heat up and get greasy as soon if you do lotsa powerslides, big hills. Next time you see a dude bombing a hill in SF check out how wide his wheels look, probably not on Classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HyenaChaser on February 01, 2020, 07:49:09 AM
Having skated most of my life on generally rough surfaces, I'd say wide wheels help.

Maybe it's placebo but that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 01, 2020, 08:02:58 AM
Ya. Better for rough ground. Idr exactly why. Seems like more cross-sectional area would give a slightly softer ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 01, 2020, 10:19:37 AM
If someone is looking for a white Slime Ball this might be a similar formula?

https://dogtownskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/dogtown-k-9-wheels-white-60mm-97a-set-of-4?variant=13189401968706
60 x 42 x 26
2mm narrower riding surface than slimeballs

Comments ask about them being rebranded slimeballs. Reply says different shape but nothing about the formula
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7lvKgAgmF9/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on February 02, 2020, 03:05:36 AM
anyone who has the oj mini or super juice get them to slide?
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 02, 2020, 07:05:19 AM
anyone who has the oj mini or super juice get them to slide?

I’ve had no luck at all getting them, or any wheel under 85a to slide, at least street skating. They do roll over damn near anything and don’t seem to chip like some of the other soft wheels do, however.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on February 02, 2020, 07:28:33 AM
The 87a keyframes can slide. I’m not a power slide master but seems fine
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Post by: munchbox on February 02, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
The 87a keyframes can slide. I’m not a power slide master but seems fine
any signs of chipping or flatspots? i like the mini super juice but i cant slide to stop with em
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Post by: jay_nev on February 02, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
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The 87a keyframes can slide. I’m not a power slide master but seems fine
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any signs of chipping or flatspots? i like the mini super juice but i cant slide to stop with em
nah only been a month or so but they seem fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2020, 12:24:01 PM
No advantage to wide wheels imo...a bit smoother on rough terrain (ymmv) but a 99a slim wheel can suffice.

So of course (but this is a unique situation) we went to a spot and wouldn't you know....? There is a gap in the ground THE EXACT FUCKING SIZE as my V3s..got stuck in it all the time, wedged; had to pull it out.

Now granted, my buddy also got stuck in it with wide wheels (conical fulls) but significantly less often, easily 50% less and was able to roll out sketch.

Point for wide wheels given ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 02, 2020, 02:59:21 PM
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The 87a keyframes can slide. I’m not a power slide master but seems fine
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any signs of chipping or flatspots? i like the mini super juice but i cant slide to stop with em

I have the keyframes and cant slide for shit on them, I guess like tiny reverts etc but actually coming to a stop or significantly slowing down when bombing hills is not possible.
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Post by: munchbox on February 02, 2020, 03:03:30 PM
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any signs of chipping or flatspots? i like the mini super juice but i cant slide to stop with em
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I have the keyframes and cant slide for shit on them, I guess like tiny reverts etc but actually coming to a stop or significantly slowing down when bombing hills is not possible.
seems like i just cant expect it from soft wheels
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Post by: tzhangdox on February 02, 2020, 03:19:47 PM
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any signs of chipping or flatspots? i like the mini super juice but i cant slide to stop with em
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I have the keyframes and cant slide for shit on them, I guess like tiny reverts etc but actually coming to a stop or significantly slowing down when bombing hills is not possible.
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seems like i just cant expect it from soft wheels

Powell Peralta Bomber 3s slide. 85a 60mm. I was able to bomb hills and hold reasonably long powerslides to slow myself down, sometimes was even able to tail/noseslide a ledge as long as the side wasn't completely dry. They are a bit too big and clunky to have as a primary non cruiser wheel tho imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on February 02, 2020, 10:51:37 PM
anyone who has the oj mini or super juice get them to slide?

oj super juice do slide, but you have to go through that gloss layer and break them in. After that they still have plenty of grip\almost too much when going slow, but sliding is doable.Slide gloves recommended.
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Post by: satan on February 03, 2020, 08:34:46 AM
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oj super juice do slide, but you have to go through that gloss layer and break them in. After that they still have plenty of grip\almost too much when going slow, but sliding is doable.Slide gloves recommended.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3MqGcx5mecc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qQckWQlZmzA
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Post by: munchbox on February 03, 2020, 09:29:27 AM
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oj super juice do slide, but you have to go through that gloss layer and break them in. After that they still have plenty of grip\almost too much when going slow, but sliding is doable. Slide gloves recommended.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qQckWQlZmzA
that exactly what i pictured. of course they can slide but in those conditions its a troll answer.

if i need to be leaning to the point where im touching the ground and need slide gloves, i might as well get a fucking helmet and longboard too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 03, 2020, 10:18:57 AM
anyone who has the oj mini or super juice get them to slide?

Have you looked at the Powell G-Slides? 56mm and 85a.  They use their "SSF" formula, which is the "Soft Slide Formula".   Not a ton of reviews on them, but the longboard guys seemed to think they were super slidey and there was a learning curve because of that.

A review on Tactics:

"Very happy with these. They slid great for a cruiser wheal. Not as much as a 103a bones, but maybe as much as a 97a slimball"

Although someone else said:
"These are great semi soft cruiser wheels and they do, as advertised, slide but only for a couple of weeks before they get grippy and unslideable like normal cruiser wheels. "
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 03, 2020, 10:26:32 AM
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Have you looked at the Powell G-Slides? 56mm and 85a.  They use their "SSF" formula, which is the "Soft Slide Formula".   Not a ton of reviews on them, but the longboard guys seemed to think they were super slidey and there was a learning curve because of that.

A review on Tactics:

"Very happy with these. They slid great for a cruiser wheal. Not as much as a 103a bones, but maybe as much as a 97a slimball"

Although someone else said:
"These are great semi soft cruiser wheels and they do, as advertised, slide but only for a couple of weeks before they get grippy and unslideable like normal cruiser wheels. "

I’ve had two sets of gslides (55 and 59mm) and they are pretty interesting because they do slide decent enough for street skating for the first week or two, but I found that they stick like most softer wheels after that. I’m not sure why that is though

They are solid cruiser wheels otherwise though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 03, 2020, 10:46:56 AM
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Have you looked at the Powell G-Slides? 56mm and 85a.  They use their "SSF" formula, which is the "Soft Slide Formula".   Not a ton of reviews on them, but the longboard guys seemed to think they were super slidey and there was a learning curve because of that.

A review on Tactics:

"Very happy with these. They slid great for a cruiser wheal. Not as much as a 103a bones, but maybe as much as a 97a slimball"

Although someone else said:
"These are great semi soft cruiser wheels and they do, as advertised, slide but only for a couple of weeks before they get grippy and unslideable like normal cruiser wheels. "
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I’ve had two sets of gslides (55 and 59mm) and they are pretty interesting because they do slide decent enough for street skating for the first week or two, but I found that they stick like most softer wheels after that. I’m not sure why that is though

They are solid cruiser wheels otherwise though

I've had gslides and powell bomber 3s 60mm 85a, the latter definitely slide better for street purposes even though gslides were marketed as a cruiser wheel that slides. Wish they would make it in the shape of a keyframe though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 03, 2020, 10:50:25 AM
I've had gslides and powell bomber 3s 60mm 85a, the latter definitely slide better for street purposes even though gslides were marketed as a cruiser wheel that slides. Wish they would make it in the shape of a keyframe though.

They do have a new replacement for the Ditch Tech Formula (95a) coming out "this spring" - so probably summer - that sounds pretty good.  Keep it on the radar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Charlie Hustle on February 03, 2020, 10:54:34 AM
Are the "G Slides" and the "SS" Soft Slides the same?
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Post by: sadnocomply on February 03, 2020, 05:52:25 PM
while I love wide wheels like conicals for most scenarios, I think there is just something great about a classic cut shape in a 56-54mm brand new. when it gets worn down to a 53-51mm it gets so damn nice and buttery for my style of skating. Getting a nice sketchy but controlled slide on some spits bending a corner approaching a box or set just speaks to me. It’s like my wheels are hyping me up to go buck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on February 04, 2020, 12:43:45 AM
A bit of advice...

I need a wheel for super crusty ground.

The ground at the local public park (not a skatepark) has ground that is basically gravel and another section has these big crusty redbrick banks.

I tried to skate them both on formula 4s; 56mm 99a conical fulls were best but I still need a little extra help pushing through the crust. Also, the spits are a little slippery I think mostly because the ground is so uneven that only 75-80% of the wheel surface is actually in contact with the ground at any given moment.

Keyframes?

I'd like to be able to skate other spots the same day so I don't want to go full-on cruiser wheels.

I'll still keep f4s on most of my boards because I'm not going to only skate those crusty spots all the time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on February 04, 2020, 12:47:07 AM
A bit of advice...

I need a wheel for super crusty ground.

The ground at the local public park (not a skatepark) has ground that is basically gravel and another section has these big crusty redbrick banks.

I tried to skate them both on formula 4s; 56mm 99a conical fulls were best but I still need a little extra help pushing through the crust. Also, the spits are a little slippery I think mostly because the ground is so uneven that only 75-80% of the wheel surface is actually in contact with the ground at any given moment.

Keyframes?

I'd like to be able to skate other spots the same day so I don't want to go full-on cruiser wheels.

I'll still keep f4s on most of my boards because I'm not going to only skate those crusty spots all the time.

Minilogo 90a. They come in street sizes, my brother's rocking a 53mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Stigmata on February 04, 2020, 05:15:31 AM
Id like to try out a set of those Ricta 78a Clouds, just not sure if theyre gonna be too soft? Anyone got some input on em?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 04, 2020, 05:27:45 AM
Id like to try out a set of those Ricta 78a Clouds, just not sure if theyre gonna be too soft? Anyone got some input on em?

Clouds are awesome. I’ve had five or six sets now and they have never chipped, are fast and soft enough to deal with moderately crusty streets easily. If the streets are suuuper messed up, Oj super juice minis are better, but the Clouds have better shape (the under 60mm ones anyway) for street skating if you are trying to do flip tricks and basic ledge stuff and also want to cruise, or skate crusty ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on February 04, 2020, 05:35:43 AM
Prefer Keyframes over Clouds at smaller size (52mm). Partly don’t like the skinnier shape of the Clouds, partly they just didn’t feel that much distinct from each other.


If you’re gonna go real soft go big... more about momentum than accelerating speed at lowest durometers :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 04, 2020, 07:49:56 AM
The F4 shortage arrived to my country.
Is impossible to find conicals :(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 04, 2020, 12:04:06 PM
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/53mm-vomit-mini-white-97a-slime-balls-skateboard-wheels
White mini Slime Balls finally made it to US shores
53mm, 97a
34.8mm width, 20.2mm riding surface
Tiny bit wider than conical full with slightly narrower tread

Anyone pay attention to the core shapes on NHS's wheels?
Does the + or x shape mean they're poured by a different company?
I'm curious about the OG formula. And the mini have a different shaped core than the larger wheels, Teamriders, etc.


For a wheel that slides I'd be looking in the 90's. I doubt those 90a minilogo's slide super well but might be worth a try.
Ppl seemed to think the sml 92a's slid ok but weren't that fast, iirc.. Makes sense cuz good rebound means more grip.
Minilogo has a new 95a formula. Initial feedback seemed good?
Ricta Clouds? New ones slide ok?
By my count there's 4 white 97a's in the mid-50mm range. And I'm guessing 3-4 different formulas (2 might be the same formula).
Powell/ML has 90a and 95a.
A couple 92a wheels and that's it?

Size will help too with uneven ground like bricks since you can run into taller stuff without getting hung up. And helps smooth out seams/gaps. Wider is smoother too. But tall and skinny is the faster shape for smooth ground.

Shape factors in also, more so the shape of the edge/lip. A square edge will grip more. A rounded or chamfered edge will more easily break into a slide.
The Super Juice shape should be grippier, especially if it wears down a lil and the edge gets squarer.
Keyframes should slide more easily cuz of the rounder edge and narrower riding surface. I'm assuming they're the same formula.

https://lushlongboards.com/workshops/longboard-wheel-guide/ edges and lips, urethane rebound

https://www.otherplanetskate.com/pages/technology-wheels tear strength vs grip is interesting
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on February 04, 2020, 09:54:09 PM
my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on February 05, 2020, 12:24:00 AM
my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.
after F4s id say they look fake, all their natural colored wheels set something off in my head. be sure to add a pic after they get some wear
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 05, 2020, 09:58:00 AM
my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.

95a.. that sounds tempting. please check back in later and tell us how they perform with noseslides and stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on February 05, 2020, 07:01:15 PM
I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 05, 2020, 07:48:35 PM
I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion after trying everything between 75-99a. Everything between 80-97 just couldn’t do any of the good things wheels can do as well as 75’s or 99’s. Now I usually just skate with either F4’s and carry some Ricta clouds in my bag to switch off to if I want to cruise longer distance (or hit crusty spots), or vice/versa if I’m cruising around and plan on stopping to skate some ledges or a spot where harder wheels would be useful
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 05, 2020, 09:12:50 PM
I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....

100% agree.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 06, 2020, 04:54:08 AM
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I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....
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Yeah, I came to the same conclusion after trying everything between 75-99a. Everything between 80-97 just couldn’t do any of the good things wheels can do as well as 75’s or 99’s. Now I usually just skate with either F4’s and carry some Ricta clouds in my bag to switch off to if I want to cruise longer distance (or hit crusty spots), or vice/versa if I’m cruising around and plan on stopping to skate some ledges or a spot where harder wheels would be useful
Funny. I'm probably thinking of the 80's when I think sliding on softer wheels. Since then wheel rebound and wear resistance has improved. Iirc both those things make a formula grippier. But I think a 92-97a could still slide ok.
I drive to spots so no bag.. If it's super crusty I'm onto the next spot, this is socal.. I'm also not gonna deal with losing a dozen speedrings. So I'm thinking +9" fattie with 97a's. No boingo boingo bouncy wheels for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 06, 2020, 11:42:06 AM
what is with these plastic things you put over your wheels for cruising? I think I've seen them on Kenny Anderson's insta. Those things would be nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ItsNoUse on February 06, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
what is with these plastic things you put over your wheels for cruising? I think I've seen them on Kenny Anderson's insta. Those things would be nice.

They're just a prototype I believe for Kenny and Co's product. I'm pretty interested in them as well. I don't think they're for sale yet though, but they were talking about them on the Nine Club as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 06, 2020, 02:28:01 PM
what is with these plastic things you put over your wheels for cruising? I think I've seen them on Kenny Anderson's insta. Those things would be nice.

In the era I skated, 95-99 all seemed to work fine regarding sliding and reverts and 95 was the most common. I tried the 92 Clouds and they feel much softer than 92. Very grippy but super smooth. Good for transition but not tech. I ended up just grabbing the new mini slimeballs and they come in 97a and I prefer them to my 50mm ricta 101 wheels I was using. The rictas are not forgiving of rough terrain at all to the point where youre better off not skating if youre on a rough street. To me the mini slimeballs are kinda perfect.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 06, 2020, 08:15:00 PM
Just got a set of these NFGMFG square shapes yesterday and first session in I really like them. They feel like 99a F4’s so far that slide more freely right off the bat, no break in time needed. The shape seems similar to the lock-ins shape Spitfire uses.

I don’t know much about them (or wheel manufacturers in general) but I think Loophole wheels uses their urethane, but a harder formula or they both use the same manufacturer. I also think I remember reading their urethane is made by the guy who created the F4 formula, which seems feasible based on how these wheels feel, but I don’t know for sure.

I’ll update when I get some more time in on these, but so far they are pretty awesome

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/square-shape-nfg-cream-color-original

Edit: I’m full of shit. They feel pretty much the same as the Loophole wheels I got, which feel very similar to F4 101’s after comparing them all back to back. They are both awesome wheels, just a bit harder than I thought which it turns out that I like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 06, 2020, 10:16:48 PM
Just got a set of these NFGMFG square shapes yesterday and first session in I really like them. They feel like 99a F4’s so far that slide more freely right off the bat, no break in time needed. The shape seems similar to the lock-ins shape Spitfire uses.

I don’t know much about them (or wheel manufacturers in general) but I think Loophole wheels uses their urethane, but a harder formula or they both use the same manufacturer. I also think I remember reading their urethane is made by the guy who created the F4 formula, which seems feasible based on how these wheels feel, but I don’t know for sure.

I’ll update when I get some more time in on these, but so far they are pretty awesome

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/square-shape-nfg-cream-color-original
I reviewed my loopholes a few pages back, wish I got them in my regular size otherwise they felt super solid
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 07, 2020, 05:47:57 AM
I'm gonna try loopholes next.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 07, 2020, 06:42:52 AM
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Just got a set of these NFGMFG square shapes yesterday and first session in I really like them. They feel like 99a F4’s so far that slide more freely right off the bat, no break in time needed. The shape seems similar to the lock-ins shape Spitfire uses.

I don’t know much about them (or wheel manufacturers in general) but I think Loophole wheels uses their urethane, but a harder formula or they both use the same manufacturer. I also think I remember reading their urethane is made by the guy who created the F4 formula, which seems feasible based on how these wheels feel, but I don’t know for sure.

I’ll update when I get some more time in on these, but so far they are pretty awesome

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/square-shape-nfg-cream-color-original
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I reviewed my loopholes a few pages back, wish I got them in my regular size otherwise they felt super solid

Nice, I’ll check it out! These felt a little softer than the Loopholes I got, like closer to a 99a duro whereas they Loopholes felt harder than that to me. Hard to say because they use a different duro scale and I don’t know much about that stuff

Edit: feel the same as the Loopholes I have, it turns out that somehow I like harder wheels now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 07, 2020, 09:11:46 AM
I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....

Disagree. Slime balls, speedlabs, and my Powell rippers have all been 97a and it’s the first time I’ve been able to skate my slippery indoor without almost dying from the slightest wrong move. I skated 2/3 of said wheels outdoors plenty of times as well and they powerslid perfectly fine with a nice loud screech.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 07, 2020, 10:27:16 AM
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I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....
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Disagree. Slime balls, speedlabs, and my Powell rippers have all been 97a and it’s the first time I’ve been able to skate my slippery indoor without almost dying from the slightest wrong move. I skated 2/3 of said wheels outdoors plenty of times as well and they powerslid perfectly fine with a nice loud screech.
Have you tried all those 97a's?
What's your take on them?
Slide/bark? Speed? Hardness compared to other 97a's? Loudest, fastest, easiest slide, etc.
Compared to Spitfire Classic or F4 thane? Or Bones STF 99a? For reference..

Which Slime Balls? Mini's or regular biggies?
The cores on the mini's are different so I'm wondering if the manufacturer and formula is the same. I know Creative and Mearthane are linked now..
And recently they started advertising the OG formula but that seems to only be for bigger wheels like the Winkowski's?

Tried Pig's 97a?
Just going by the look of the urethane it could be the same formula as Speedlab. Both look a lil opaque, definitely don't look like the new white mini's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 07, 2020, 11:27:55 AM
Im using the mini slimeballs. Just as fast as my f4s but smoother to ride on slightly rougher terrain. Far harder than the cloud 92a and slide seems pretty much the same as my f4 99s.

Also Creature makes 97a and element makes 95a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 07, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
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I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....
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Disagree. Slime balls, speedlabs, and my Powell rippers have all been 97a and it’s the first time I’ve been able to skate my slippery indoor without almost dying from the slightest wrong move. I skated 2/3 of said wheels outdoors plenty of times as well and they powerslid perfectly fine with a nice loud screech.
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Have you tried all those 97a's?
What's your take on them?
Slide/bark? Speed? Hardness compared to other 97a's? Loudest, fastest, easiest slide, etc.
Compared to Spitfire Classic or F4 thane? Or Bones STF 99a? For reference..

Which Slime Balls? Mini's or regular biggies?
The cores on the mini's are different so I'm wondering if the manufacturer and formula is the same. I know Creative and Mearthane are linked now..
And recently they started advertising the OG formula but that seems to only be for bigger wheels like the Winkowski's?

Tried Pig's 97a?
Just going by the look of the urethane it could be the same formula as Speedlab. Both look a lil opaque, definitely don't look like the new white mini's.

I tried the three sets of wheels I mentioned, each set just being one from each of the companies. Never tried Pigs. The slimeballs were 56mm. They don’t have plastic cores, 97a wheels aren’t soft enough where they need cores. Compared to F4, Spitfire classics, and STFs they’re obviously a little bit softer and require a tad more effort to powerslide but it’s not anything crazy. Just as good of a controllable slide with a nice loud screech as far as I can tell. I think 95a and below is where things will really start to be a noticeable difference in performance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 07, 2020, 12:30:30 PM
I rocked local company’s 97a’s on slippery indoors for a while when spitfire was in F1’s and shit. They were alright there but I didn’t like them outdoors, they slid just fine but I like my street wheels to be loud and hard as fuck😄
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 07, 2020, 02:13:42 PM
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I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....
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Disagree. Slime balls, speedlabs, and my Powell rippers have all been 97a and it’s the first time I’ve been able to skate my slippery indoor without almost dying from the slightest wrong move. I skated 2/3 of said wheels outdoors plenty of times as well and they powerslid perfectly fine with a nice loud screech.
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Have you tried all those 97a's?
What's your take on them?
Slide/bark? Speed? Hardness compared to other 97a's? Loudest, fastest, easiest slide, etc.
Compared to Spitfire Classic or F4 thane? Or Bones STF 99a? For reference..

Which Slime Balls? Mini's or regular biggies?
The cores on the mini's are different so I'm wondering if the manufacturer and formula is the same. I know Creative and Mearthane are linked now..
And recently they started advertising the OG formula but that seems to only be for bigger wheels like the Winkowski's?

Tried Pig's 97a?
Just going by the look of the urethane it could be the same formula as Speedlab. Both look a lil opaque, definitely don't look like the new white mini's.
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I tried the three sets of wheels I mentioned, each set just being one from each of the companies. Never tried Pigs. The slimeballs were 56mm. They don’t have plastic cores, 97a wheels aren’t soft enough where they need cores. Compared to F4, Spitfire classics, and STFs they’re obviously a little bit softer and require a tad more effort to powerslide but it’s not anything crazy. Just as good of a controllable slide with a nice loud screech as far as I can tell. I think 95a and below is where things will really start to be a noticeable difference in performance.
Which had the best slide outta the 3 you tried?

Maybe I'm using the wrong word? I don't mean cored wheels. I'm talking about the part of the wheel where a spacer would go.
The Mini's have an x or + shape there. And that reminds me of Ricta.
Regular Slime Balls and Team Riders and some Winkowski's are round there.

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/53mm-vomit-mini-white-97a-slime-balls-skateboard-wheels

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/61mm-winkowski-killer-whale-winter-original-97a-oj-skateboard-wheels


Round
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/60mm-vomits-neon-purple-97a-slime-balls-skateboard-wheels

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/61mm-winkowski-perro-original-97a-oj-skateboard-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 07, 2020, 03:42:15 PM
It looks like the shape of the center becomes round for almost NHS wheels when over 60mm or soft wheels. The reissues look to be the exception
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 07, 2020, 05:00:46 PM
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I think ultimately you either need a hard 99/100a street/ park wheel or a legit cruiser 75/87a....

Anything in-between is kind of a no-mans land and kind of OK at somethings but never good at everything... unless you are wanting an 80s replica type set up.

I think it is best to just rotate between a proper cruiser or a legit hard wheel. Trying to find a one duro suits all will end in tears....
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Disagree. Slime balls, speedlabs, and my Powell rippers have all been 97a and it’s the first time I’ve been able to skate my slippery indoor without almost dying from the slightest wrong move. I skated 2/3 of said wheels outdoors plenty of times as well and they powerslid perfectly fine with a nice loud screech.
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Have you tried all those 97a's?
What's your take on them?
Slide/bark? Speed? Hardness compared to other 97a's? Loudest, fastest, easiest slide, etc.
Compared to Spitfire Classic or F4 thane? Or Bones STF 99a? For reference..

Which Slime Balls? Mini's or regular biggies?
The cores on the mini's are different so I'm wondering if the manufacturer and formula is the same. I know Creative and Mearthane are linked now..
And recently they started advertising the OG formula but that seems to only be for bigger wheels like the Winkowski's?

Tried Pig's 97a?
Just going by the look of the urethane it could be the same formula as Speedlab. Both look a lil opaque, definitely don't look like the new white mini's.
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I tried the three sets of wheels I mentioned, each set just being one from each of the companies. Never tried Pigs. The slimeballs were 56mm. They don’t have plastic cores, 97a wheels aren’t soft enough where they need cores. Compared to F4, Spitfire classics, and STFs they’re obviously a little bit softer and require a tad more effort to powerslide but it’s not anything crazy. Just as good of a controllable slide with a nice loud screech as far as I can tell. I think 95a and below is where things will really start to be a noticeable difference in performance.
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Which had the best slide outta the 3 you tried?

Maybe I'm using the wrong word? I don't mean cored wheels. I'm talking about the part of the wheel where a spacer would go.
The Mini's have an x or + shape there. And that reminds me of Ricta.
Regular Slime Balls and Team Riders and some Winkowski's are round there.

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/53mm-vomit-mini-white-97a-slime-balls-skateboard-wheels

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/61mm-winkowski-killer-whale-winter-original-97a-oj-skateboard-wheels


Round
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/60mm-vomits-neon-purple-97a-slime-balls-skateboard-wheels

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/61mm-winkowski-perro-original-97a-oj-skateboard-wheels

Idk they’re all equally as good I would say. Good urethane sources. Just about picking the shapes you like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on February 10, 2020, 10:42:25 AM
has anybody used powerflex wheels? i want some rock candys, an spf with a core sounds great to me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on February 10, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
A bit of advice...

I need a wheel for super crusty ground.

The ground at the local public park (not a skatepark) has ground that is basically gravel and another section has these big crusty redbrick banks.

I tried to skate them both on formula 4s; 56mm 99a conical fulls were best but I still need a little extra help pushing through the crust. Also, the spits are a little slippery I think mostly because the ground is so uneven that only 75-80% of the wheel surface is actually in contact with the ground at any given moment.

Keyframes?

I'd like to be able to skate other spots the same day so I don't want to go full-on cruiser wheels.

I'll still keep f4s on most of my boards because I'm not going to only skate those crusty spots all the time.

Pennswood sells "winter tires" that sound exactly like what you're looking for. I just got sent some by someone on here. Pumped to try them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 10, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
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A bit of advice...

I need a wheel for super crusty ground.

The ground at the local public park (not a skatepark) has ground that is basically gravel and another section has these big crusty redbrick banks.

I tried to skate them both on formula 4s; 56mm 99a conical fulls were best but I still need a little extra help pushing through the crust. Also, the spits are a little slippery I think mostly because the ground is so uneven that only 75-80% of the wheel surface is actually in contact with the ground at any given moment.

Keyframes?

I'd like to be able to skate other spots the same day so I don't want to go full-on cruiser wheels.

I'll still keep f4s on most of my boards because I'm not going to only skate those crusty spots all the time.
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Pennswood sells "winter tires" that sound exactly like what you're looking for. I just got sent some by someone on here. Pumped to try them out.

I have a couple sets of the big cruiser wheels Pennswood sells and makes the winter tires out of. They are actually great cruiser wheels and still power slide reasonably well even after being broken in
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ItsNoUse on February 10, 2020, 04:57:04 PM
Anyone try the Prime Urethane from Pig? I'm interested.

I wish they'd make a A-Cut or Conical in them, I'd defs pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on February 10, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
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my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.
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95a.. that sounds tempting. please check back in later and tell us how they perform with noseslides and stuff

took these out a few times over the weekend. these are great on streets around the neighborhood. the roads + sidewalks are not too rough, but def not skatepark smooth. these 95s had enough softness to get around with ease but still slide, pop, flip, and feel and perform close to a 99a.

took them to the park and they were more grippy than 99s of course, but not too bad overall. had to make sure not to over rotate ollies and such on the quarterpipes + hips or i would stick. noseslides not a problem, i'm on indys, so may be a diff story on thunders.

they have treads as new, but think after they break in a bit more will get better slides, and they could make a great ATV wheel. will post pics after some more sessions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on February 10, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
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my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.
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95a.. that sounds tempting. please check back in later and tell us how they perform with noseslides and stuff
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took these out a few times over the weekend. these are great on streets around the neighborhood. the roads + sidewalks are not too rough, but def not skatepark smooth. these 95s had enough softness to get around with ease but still slide, pop, flip, and feel and perform close to a 99a.

took them to the park and they were more grippy than 99s of course, but not too bad overall. had to make sure not to over rotate ollies and such on the quarterpipes + hips or i would stick. noseslides not a problem, i'm on indys, so may be a diff story on thunders.

they have treads as new, but think after they break in a bit more will get better slides, and they could make a great ATV wheel. will post pics after some more sessions.

sounds good, how's the white color? is it fake-plastic-y looking and is that going away with wear? interested in the 87 keyframe 92 cloud 95 mini logo differences
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 10, 2020, 06:34:46 PM
anyone who has the oj mini or super juice get them to slide?

all wheels slide but there's an issue that happens a lot to me with soft old sticky wheels.
Speed checks sometimes grip and rip you back to regs without subtracting any speed. So you got to do a bs one right afterwards then maybe a third if you're really cooking but that's like 30mph plus.

In emergencies that's no good. I will shred my hands rather than take out an old lady or If it's a car you gotta try and make it over the car with your body

Never lay down and go under ever.

 Big soft wheels loose trucks and big hills are addictive. I've torn quiet a few cores out of wheels. I saved them as trophies kinda.

If I wanted a softer wheel I'm going OJ street razors.
My homie got a set last year 97a. Nice wheel.

I think they are 55. I wish big balls were still around or bullet 66s pre war paint.

I don't like the oj ricta cut out in the wheels though. Makes rotating a pain because of if a spacer slips too much.

I'm on 55mm 101a classics.
101a takes care of all my needs.

Also if they still exists "super balls" it was local to Massachusetts I think.
Bright white core wheel. They slide for years then the core rips out around 50 to 48mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Juanjo789 on February 12, 2020, 09:10:09 AM
What Bones shape would be the equivalent to a F4 Classic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 12, 2020, 09:13:24 AM
What Bones shape would be the equivalent to a F4 Classic

V3 has a similar contact patch, but is narrower overall and has a different cut.   V1 has similar sidecut radius, but a smaller contact patch.   

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on February 12, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
What Bones shape would be the equivalent to a F4 Classic

V1
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 12, 2020, 11:55:10 AM
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What Bones shape would be the equivalent to a F4 Classic
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V3 has a similar contact patch, but is narrower overall and has a different cut.   V1 has similar sidecut radius, but a smaller contact patch.

Spot on!

That said, V1 is closest in contact patch and shape. You could also go with the V5.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 12, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
V1 starts off with a slightly wider contact patch and is less aggressively tapered I think.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 13, 2020, 06:46:05 AM
Bones V4 are my favorite offering from them. They’re like the spitfire classic full that I think are still discontinued? I like a nice fat n wide round wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on February 13, 2020, 08:39:53 AM
u mean these? they are called OG classic, i want a pair for nostalgia’s sake
(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Spitfire-OG-Classics-55mm-99a.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 13, 2020, 11:46:12 AM
No those are a conical shape. They made a F4 classic full which was a wider version of the classic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ItsNoUse on February 13, 2020, 11:48:31 AM
No those are a conical shape. They made a F4 classic full which was a wider version of the classic.

Yes but they are called 'OG Classics'
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 13, 2020, 11:56:37 AM
Ok lol. They’re not the wheel I’m referring to that’s equivalent to the V4 shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 13, 2020, 12:07:01 PM
Ok lol. They’re not the wheel I’m referring to that’s equivalent to the V4 shape.

Am I crazy or did Grosso have a classic full wheel pretty recently?

Also, somewhat related, are bigheads just a wider classic?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 13, 2020, 12:20:24 PM
Bigheads are the same wheel just a different graphic. Grosso ones were a classic full but limited to that set specifically. Other than that, they’re not in production.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 13, 2020, 12:32:20 PM
Bigheads are the same wheel just a different graphic. Grosso ones were a classic full but limited to that set specifically. Other than that, they’re not in production.

Very good to know.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weedgod94 on February 13, 2020, 12:54:18 PM
Bones V4 are my favorite offering from them. They’re like the spitfire classic full that I think are still discontinued? I like a nice fat n wide round wheel.
there's like one or two classic fulls in every catalog
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FS-OverKOOK on February 13, 2020, 01:06:00 PM
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Ok lol. They’re not the wheel I’m referring to that’s equivalent to the V4 shape.
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Am I crazy or did Grosso have a classic full wheel pretty recently?

Also, somewhat related, are bigheads just a wider classic?
These are the f4 classic full that was discontinued
(http://i.imgur.com/GVlMbrB.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/GVlMbrB)
but they did bring them back with the grosso pro model and now LM has a pool series with them.
(http://i.imgur.com/62C8Lmy.png?1) (https://imgur.com/62C8Lmy)
I'm almost certain the big head is the classic formula and not f4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on February 13, 2020, 02:02:58 PM
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Ok lol. They’re not the wheel I’m referring to that’s equivalent to the V4 shape.
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Am I crazy or did Grosso have a classic full wheel pretty recently?

Also, somewhat related, are bigheads just a wider classic?
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These are the f4 classic full that was discontinued
(http://i.imgur.com/GVlMbrB.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/GVlMbrB)
but they did bring them back with the grosso pro model and now LM has a pool series with them.
(http://i.imgur.com/62C8Lmy.png?1) (https://imgur.com/62C8Lmy)
I'm almost certain the big head is the classic formula and not f4.

Nice, never seen a set of f4 classic fulls before.

Yeah, bigheads are regular formula I just never knew about the shape and always assumed they were wider than classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on February 16, 2020, 06:09:46 PM
who makes a soft wheel that isnt super bouncy? would happily sacrifice the slide for that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 17, 2020, 07:54:45 AM
Bones ninety nines STF’s work fine for indoor, just a heads up for anyone that doesn’t wanna try anything below 99a. Spitfire F4 99a’s might be just a liiiitle too slippery from what I remember.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on February 17, 2020, 08:51:34 AM
who makes a soft wheel that isnt super bouncy? would happily sacrifice the slide for that

i think rough riders feel way better than juices
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: devourthehours on February 17, 2020, 03:06:26 PM
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A bit of advice...

I need a wheel for super crusty ground.

The ground at the local public park (not a skatepark) has ground that is basically gravel and another section has these big crusty redbrick banks.

I tried to skate them both on formula 4s; 56mm 99a conical fulls were best but I still need a little extra help pushing through the crust. Also, the spits are a little slippery I think mostly because the ground is so uneven that only 75-80% of the wheel surface is actually in contact with the ground at any given moment.

Keyframes?

I'd like to be able to skate other spots the same day so I don't want to go full-on cruiser wheels.

I'll still keep f4s on most of my boards because I'm not going to only skate those crusty spots all the time.
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Pennswood sells "winter tires" that sound exactly like what you're looking for. I just got sent some by someone on here. Pumped to try them out.

I just picked some up. Thanks for the recommendation.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ItsNoUse on February 17, 2020, 03:37:43 PM
Anyone skate Orbs? Curious on those. Specters to be exact.

I've heard they feel a lot softer than typical 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FakieDisaster on February 17, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
is Ricta Clouds 78A too soft for crusty grounds? or Bones Rough Riders does a better job?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 17, 2020, 05:16:14 PM
Been thinking about trying some skinny wheels like a Bones V3. Currently riding the V1, liking them but I don't mind a switch up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 17, 2020, 05:24:51 PM
is Ricta Clouds 78A too soft for crusty grounds? or Bones Rough Riders does a better job?

The clouds work fine for me for medium crusty ground. Rough riders feel better on super crusty ground but chip like crazy, so I use Oj super juice mini for super crusty ground
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 17, 2020, 06:35:04 PM
I keep a set of 92A clouds in my car for crappy terrain. Theyre "ok" and def feel softer than 92. Otherwise, I find the 97a 53mm mini slimeballs are a good compromise if you tend to mostly skate like rough street and park that isnt smooth. Otherwise, 99 f4 or 99 stf

Element 95a all terrain seemed ok but I just tried them for a little bit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 18, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
Been thinking about trying some skinny wheels like a Bones V3. Currently riding the V1, liking them but I don't mind a switch up.

Bones v3’s lighten up the load, too. Skinniest wheels I’ve ever had when I rode them many years ago. Super fast, too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 18, 2020, 05:27:52 PM
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Been thinking about trying some skinny wheels like a Bones V3. Currently riding the V1, liking them but I don't mind a switch up.
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Bones v3’s lighten up the load, too. Skinniest wheels I’ve ever had when I rode them many years ago. Super fast, too.

How do they compare to Radial Slims? Got some Radial Slims in 54mm, thinking if I should be financially responsible and just use those instead of spending more money on wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 18, 2020, 06:03:28 PM
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Been thinking about trying some skinny wheels like a Bones V3. Currently riding the V1, liking them but I don't mind a switch up.
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Bones v3’s lighten up the load, too. Skinniest wheels I’ve ever had when I rode them many years ago. Super fast, too.
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How do they compare to Radial Slims? Got some Radial Slims in 54mm, thinking if I should be financially responsible and just use those instead of spending more money on wheels.

I got you. They're thinner for sure (I only ride Radial Slims if I touch spits these days); side by side the spits are wider for sure, contact patch isn't that far off either, it's the cut of the wheel that is the major difference (and cause for overall wheel width).

V1 vs V3, they're super close in cut, V3s just come narrower in width and contact patch.

As for lightening the load, indeed they do. @52mm a V3 is 2g lighter than a 52mm spit....so you save yourself 8 grams....if you can even tell the difference...(and yes I fucking weighed them, have scale, will weigh).

54mm V3 [top] VS. 52mm Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0X8ok2ttgKj4pCsBXUgx3iY-lmjJF4dPSj98Ay8hqAwF3XzjXt6PixZLprjb0N52XGQYoF7SSuWK0cYnyutOcsQ31GlaMCbJcxN8NwMRpVL6owloqXD7htRfHyZG-QxILrRSdk_aLQI)

52mm V3 [top] VS. Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sqB6xcrejzFtOANB_q0tsIMQg3jRgJpH7L-l8-NuU6T5wKxoBEDO-fjiRmv870hcLTsBGNfbBb6DYeZE6sysKqwtuu0LiP05F1QL6_vWUCPR_eXtHhaGOWvOl0eh4Cw6r1RZbs4LN3g)


Hate on bones all you want (remember when they were THE shit, right?), they're still excellent wheels, fast, slidy and only seem to flatspot in sandpapery crete (you know the type) happened to me once; I also prefer how hard they feel.

If spit made a thinner wheel (in a 101, not that lame ass attempt with the reynolds classic slims only coming in 99a) I'd give it ago. I just don't have the need for wide wheels and I like the extra grind room.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 18, 2020, 06:22:15 PM
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Been thinking about trying some skinny wheels like a Bones V3. Currently riding the V1, liking them but I don't mind a switch up.
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Bones v3’s lighten up the load, too. Skinniest wheels I’ve ever had when I rode them many years ago. Super fast, too.
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How do they compare to Radial Slims? Got some Radial Slims in 54mm, thinking if I should be financially responsible and just use those instead of spending more money on wheels.
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They're thinner for sure (I only ride Radial Slims if I touch spits these days); side by side the spits are wider for sure, contact patch isn't that far off either, it's the cut of the wheel that is the major difference (and cause for overall wheel width).

Hate on bones all you want, they're excellent wheels, fast, slidy and only seem to flatspot in sandpapery crete (you know the type) happened to me once; if spit made a thinner wheel (in a 101, not that lame ass attempt with the reynolds classic slims only coming in 99a) I'd give it ago. I just don't have the need for wide wheels and I like the extra grind room./

V1 vs V3, they're super close in cut, V3s just come narrower in width and contact patch.

As for lightening the load, indeed they do. @52mm a V3 is 2g lighter than a 52mm spit....so you save yourself 8 grams....if you can even tell the difference...(and yes I fucking weighed them, have scale, will weigh).

54mm V3 [top] VS. 52mm Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0X8ok2ttgKj4pCsBXUgx3iY-lmjJF4dPSj98Ay8hqAwF3XzjXt6PixZLprjb0N52XGQYoF7SSuWK0cYnyutOcsQ31GlaMCbJcxN8NwMRpVL6owloqXD7htRfHyZG-QxILrRSdk_aLQI)

52mm V3 [top] VS. Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sqB6xcrejzFtOANB_q0tsIMQg3jRgJpH7L-l8-NuU6T5wKxoBEDO-fjiRmv870hcLTsBGNfbBb6DYeZE6sysKqwtuu0LiP05F1QL6_vWUCPR_eXtHhaGOWvOl0eh4Cw6r1RZbs4LN3g)

Fucking A man, thanks for the pics! I'll be a financially responsible adult and not spend the $35 on wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 18, 2020, 06:33:31 PM
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Been thinking about trying some skinny wheels like a Bones V3. Currently riding the V1, liking them but I don't mind a switch up.
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Bones v3’s lighten up the load, too. Skinniest wheels I’ve ever had when I rode them many years ago. Super fast, too.
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How do they compare to Radial Slims? Got some Radial Slims in 54mm, thinking if I should be financially responsible and just use those instead of spending more money on wheels.
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They're thinner for sure (I only ride Radial Slims if I touch spits these days); side by side the spits are wider for sure, contact patch isn't that far off either, it's the cut of the wheel that is the major difference (and cause for overall wheel width).

Hate on bones all you want, they're excellent wheels, fast, slidy and only seem to flatspot in sandpapery crete (you know the type) happened to me once; if spit made a thinner wheel (in a 101, not that lame ass attempt with the reynolds classic slims only coming in 99a) I'd give it ago. I just don't have the need for wide wheels and I like the extra grind room./

V1 vs V3, they're super close in cut, V3s just come narrower in width and contact patch.

As for lightening the load, indeed they do. @52mm a V3 is 2g lighter than a 52mm spit....so you save yourself 8 grams....if you can even tell the difference...(and yes I fucking weighed them, have scale, will weigh).

54mm V3 [top] VS. 52mm Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0X8ok2ttgKj4pCsBXUgx3iY-lmjJF4dPSj98Ay8hqAwF3XzjXt6PixZLprjb0N52XGQYoF7SSuWK0cYnyutOcsQ31GlaMCbJcxN8NwMRpVL6owloqXD7htRfHyZG-QxILrRSdk_aLQI)

52mm V3 [top] VS. Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sqB6xcrejzFtOANB_q0tsIMQg3jRgJpH7L-l8-NuU6T5wKxoBEDO-fjiRmv870hcLTsBGNfbBb6DYeZE6sysKqwtuu0LiP05F1QL6_vWUCPR_eXtHhaGOWvOl0eh4Cw6r1RZbs4LN3g)
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Fucking A man, thanks for the pics! I'll be a financially responsible adult and not spend the $35 on wheels.

What? I can't hear you over all these wheels!!!!

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bUPrP4iIoaUCi0x0FohoiSLPb-Nc0maGMD5MGvfILeLTu4B8izLdUzFuCfzpNKw1eNBzUBoKSAyvugluEb7SGym2i6bpbMuRagNTKjDRBOQK-rc9fm8DunmIUdnNU7JJw_sd6STB-Lw)

Not including my cruiser wheels (and granted those easy streets and dogtowns in the box are both going on the kids' boards since 99@).

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 18, 2020, 06:39:21 PM
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How are the Easy Streets? I've only ever ridden 101 - 103a wheels, nothing softer. The Radial Slims I have are in 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 18, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
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How are the Easy Streets? I've only ever ridden 101 - 103a wheels, nothing softer. The Radial Slims I have are in 99a.

Prefer 99a ezs over 99a spits without question, they feel more forgiving but work almost exactly like regular STFs, especially on shit terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 50mm on February 18, 2020, 07:03:18 PM
I just cant handle small wheels no mo'. Had to take off my 51mm tablets and throw on my old ass 54mm conical fulls. Fucking can't stand pushing so much with so little speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 18, 2020, 08:04:15 PM
I just cant handle small wheels no mo'. Had to take off my 51mm tablets and throw on my old ass 54mm conical fulls. Fucking can't stand pushing so much with so little speed.

You talk a lot about 54mm wheels for someone with that user name of yours.

For real though, the 1 time I skated a 54mm in 99a I felt like I was riding on clouds. Didn't have to tic-tac over every drain cover and crack.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 18, 2020, 08:24:13 PM
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Been thinking about trying some skinny wheels like a Bones V3. Currently riding the V1, liking them but I don't mind a switch up.
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Bones v3’s lighten up the load, too. Skinniest wheels I’ve ever had when I rode them many years ago. Super fast, too.
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How do they compare to Radial Slims? Got some Radial Slims in 54mm, thinking if I should be financially responsible and just use those instead of spending more money on wheels.
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I got you. They're thinner for sure (I only ride Radial Slims if I touch spits these days); side by side the spits are wider for sure, contact patch isn't that far off either, it's the cut of the wheel that is the major difference (and cause for overall wheel width).

V1 vs V3, they're super close in cut, V3s just come narrower in width and contact patch.

As for lightening the load, indeed they do. @52mm a V3 is 2g lighter than a 52mm spit....so you save yourself 8 grams....if you can even tell the difference...(and yes I fucking weighed them, have scale, will weigh).

54mm V3 [top] VS. 52mm Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0X8ok2ttgKj4pCsBXUgx3iY-lmjJF4dPSj98Ay8hqAwF3XzjXt6PixZLprjb0N52XGQYoF7SSuWK0cYnyutOcsQ31GlaMCbJcxN8NwMRpVL6owloqXD7htRfHyZG-QxILrRSdk_aLQI)

52mm V3 [top] VS. Radial Slim
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sqB6xcrejzFtOANB_q0tsIMQg3jRgJpH7L-l8-NuU6T5wKxoBEDO-fjiRmv870hcLTsBGNfbBb6DYeZE6sysKqwtuu0LiP05F1QL6_vWUCPR_eXtHhaGOWvOl0eh4Cw6r1RZbs4LN3g)


Hate on bones all you want (remember when they were THE shit, right?), they're still excellent wheels, fast, slidy and only seem to flatspot in sandpapery crete (you know the type) happened to me once; I also prefer how hard they feel.

If spit made a thinner wheel (in a 101, not that lame ass attempt with the reynolds classic slims only coming in 99a) I'd give it ago. I just don't have the need for wide wheels and I like the extra grind room.

Imagine a big chip on a extra skinny f4 though. I've gotten some huge frickin chips on my 99a conical fulls both sets over 54 mm and that was like first week.
I rode it out but that would be really bad news on a wheel thinner than a radial slim.

Maybe f4 can't be skinny and sharp?

No chips on any of my other sets but they was radial and classic. The metal ledges at the park don't like sharp edge f4


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on February 18, 2020, 09:15:36 PM
I just wanted to give my 2 cents on the Bones easy street wheels after going through a set.

The wheels feel a little bit softer than formula 4 99a, closer to a set of 97a slime balls my buddy let me try out, however they still feel more chattery and plasticy then f4. Easy streets are significantly slower than an stf or forumla four and this is the biggest problem I had with them; but they're very grippy so I prefer them on transition over a f4.

The set I had powerslide on asphalt fine but are a huge pain in the ass to slide on white top or smooth skatepark ground, I never flatspotted them but I never tried to either.

If f4s are too slippery for you I'd check them out, good middle of the road between a regular stf and a f4 99. If you mostly skate bowls/pools these are solid.  :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 18, 2020, 10:54:33 PM
I just wanted to give my 2 cents on the Bones easy street wheels after going through a set.

The wheels feel a little bit softer than formula 4 99a, closer to a set of 97a slime balls my buddy let me try out, however they still feel more chattery and plasticy then f4. Easy streets are significantly slower than an stf or forumla four and this is the biggest problem I had with them; but they're very grippy so I prefer them on transition over a f4.

The set I had powerslide on asphalt fine but are a huge pain in the ass to slide on white top or smooth skatepark ground, I never flatspotted them but I never tried to either.

If f4s are too slippery for you I'd check them out, good middle of the road between a regular stf and a f4 99. If you mostly skate bowls/pools these are solid.  :)

Thanks for the word, I'll try out the Radial Slims before i go deep into wheel madness.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 18, 2020, 11:00:23 PM
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How are the Easy Streets? I've only ever ridden 101 - 103a wheels, nothing softer. The Radial Slims I have are in 99a.

They're really weird, but not in a bad way. They have a lot of grip on the ground, but they slide really well (although they need more effort to powerslide). Problem is because of this extra grip, they'll stick to ledges and the like easier.

I don't think you'll like them if you love harder wheels/formulas. (STF 83b, F4 99a, etc).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 18, 2020, 11:25:17 PM
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How are the Easy Streets? I've only ever ridden 101 - 103a wheels, nothing softer. The Radial Slims I have are in 99a.
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They're really weird, but not in a bad way. They have a lot of grip on the ground, but they slide really well (although they need more effort to powerslide). Problem is because of this extra grip, they'll stick to ledges and the like easier.

I don't think you'll like them if you love harder wheels/formulas. (STF 83b, F4 99a, etc).

Don't love harder formula, but always open to try new shit. This usually happens when I have too much time in front of Slap and not enough time on my board.

Realistically my "skate commute" is pretty short, a couple of minutes on some crusty asphalt before I get onto a bus headed to the park. Still, new gear is always fun.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 19, 2020, 10:40:49 AM
I've always ridden the hardest wheel possible, no matter what (I like to powerslide on hills). Hard wheels slide better for hills, ledge tricks and especially bluntsides.

I ended up switching back to harder wheels regardless of ground, I'll just make it work. Pros outweigh the cons.

Went back to bones from my last set of F4 radial slims, as they made the board feel dead and one wheel, once again, had an uneven bearing seat and it just doesn't spin right....never had the issue with any bones wheels (and a very rarely with spits but it does happen).

What's crazy is I used to hate the way bones stfs felt, now I don't really give a shit/like them over spits.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 19, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
I've always ridden the hardest wheel possible, no matter what (I like to powerslide on hills). Hard wheels slide better for hills, ledge tricks and especially bluntsides.

I ended up switching back to harder wheels regardless of ground, I'll just make it work. Pros outweigh the cons.

Went back to bones from my last set of F4 radial slims, as they made the board feel dead and one wheel, once again, had an uneven bearing seat and it just doesn't spin right....never had the issue with any bones wheels (and a very rarely with spits but it does happen).

What's crazy is I used to hate the way bones stfs felt, now I don't really give a shit/like them over spits.

Do the STFs slide better than F4’s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 50mm on February 19, 2020, 12:10:57 PM
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I just cant handle small wheels no mo'. Had to take off my 51mm tablets and throw on my old ass 54mm conical fulls. Fucking can't stand pushing so much with so little speed.
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You talk a lot about 54mm wheels for someone with that user name of yours.

For real though, the 1 time I skated a 54mm in 99a I felt like I was riding on clouds. Didn't have to tic-tac over every drain cover and crack.
At the time I was living near a newly built but vacated industrial plaza. Ton's of smooth concrete and having smaller wheels was really fun. I like they way they skate, especially for grinds and stuff but now I'm skating rougher street and don't have an area like that anymore. It's just too much work now that I'm skating a different terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on February 19, 2020, 12:25:40 PM
I'm back on STF after being F4 only since they came out. It's a welcome change especially for my needs. 53mm V2 is my new favorite. I'll keep my F4 going for whenever I roll out to skate bowls again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: passtheish on February 19, 2020, 12:46:37 PM
Recently moved to the bay area, Berkeley to be specific , any recommendations on a wheel for street skating out here, the ground here is really rough
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on February 19, 2020, 01:13:16 PM
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I've always ridden the hardest wheel possible, no matter what (I like to powerslide on hills). Hard wheels slide better for hills, ledge tricks and especially bluntsides.

I ended up switching back to harder wheels regardless of ground, I'll just make it work. Pros outweigh the cons.

Went back to bones from my last set of F4 radial slims, as they made the board feel dead and one wheel, once again, had an uneven bearing seat and it just doesn't spin right....never had the issue with any bones wheels (and a very rarely with spits but it does happen).

What's crazy is I used to hate the way bones stfs felt, now I don't really give a shit/like them over spits.
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Do the STFs slide better than F4’s?

Not better, just different. More quiet and plastic feeling, more controllable slide. IMO they are par with F4’s, I just love my Spitfire bark more.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 19, 2020, 01:26:36 PM
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I've always ridden the hardest wheel possible, no matter what (I like to powerslide on hills). Hard wheels slide better for hills, ledge tricks and especially bluntsides.

I ended up switching back to harder wheels regardless of ground, I'll just make it work. Pros outweigh the cons.

Went back to bones from my last set of F4 radial slims, as they made the board feel dead and one wheel, once again, had an uneven bearing seat and it just doesn't spin right....never had the issue with any bones wheels (and a very rarely with spits but it does happen).

What's crazy is I used to hate the way bones stfs felt, now I don't really give a shit/like them over spits.
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Do the STFs slide better than F4’s?

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Not better, just different. More quiet and plastic feeling, more controllable slide. IMO they are par with F4’s, I just love my Spitfire bark more.

I gotcha, thanks! I got some NFGMFG (same urethane as Loophole) recently which are harder than what I usually ride (99a) and I’m finding that I really like them, so got me curious about how other harder wheels, like non Easy street STF feel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MxsDx on February 20, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Anyone looking for something similar to the feel of f4's with a good screech and good grip to slip ratio should check out these Acid REM formula. Just set some up, super impressed with the feel, bark and slide. John Falahee still pours and cuts all his wheels by hand in his factory. Love this sidecut shape, in between the conical and conical full.
They are A little spendy but cool to support someone still making stuff inhouse by hand, and john is a great human, funny guy and so much history.
https://sopdistribution.com/collections/wheels/products/wheel-acid-rem-serpent?variant=31398677020729

Picked up a 55mm set based on your recommendation. They look great, but haven't put them on the setup yet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 21, 2020, 10:05:36 AM
* furiously masturbates over pieces of urethane *

How are the Easy Streets? I've only ever ridden 101 - 103a wheels, nothing softer. The Radial Slims I have are in 99a.

One board has f4 99s classic 51 mm and one has easy streets v1 53mm 99a. The easy streets seem a little softer but they both slide excellent. Probably because f4s are 51mm and easy streets are 53mm. Both are solid wheels and either or are a good choice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 21, 2020, 08:55:21 PM
Thoughts on Powell Peralta Rat Bones 90a?

Currently have PP G-Slides 85a on my cruiser and while I love them, they're hard to do full powerslides with. I can do those little speed check slides, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on February 23, 2020, 01:31:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZdqfxVy.jpg)

I want to try and wallride this ridiculous wall (but might not since the building may be demolished soon).

My question is - for those of you who've skated Ricta Clouds, what softness would be best for this crust? 86a or 78a? Or just in general for any wheel; I'm only inquiring about Clouds because Roger Bagley was praising them on the Nine Club. I still want to use the wheels to skate transition and do simple tricks as well.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on February 23, 2020, 01:50:10 PM
(http://imgur.com/FcqxPBP.jpg)

My local indoor park is beyond slippery. So hopefully these will help me stay off the floor.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 23, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZdqfxVy.jpg)

I want to try and wallride this ridiculous wall (but might not since the building may be demolished soon).

My question is - for those of you who've skated Ricta Clouds, what softness would be best for this crust? 86a or 78a? Or just in general for any wheel; I'm only inquiring about Clouds because Roger Bagley was praising them on the Nine Club. I still want to use the wheels to skate transition and do simple tricks as well.

Get the 78a! IMO, the 86a don’t really make any sense because they don’t handle crust as smoothly as the 78 and don’t have any of the benefits of a harder wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on February 23, 2020, 02:31:37 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZdqfxVy.jpg)

I want to try and wallride this ridiculous wall (but might not since the building may be demolished soon).

My question is - for those of you who've skated Ricta Clouds, what softness would be best for this crust? 86a or 78a? Or just in general for any wheel; I'm only inquiring about Clouds because Roger Bagley was praising them on the Nine Club. I still want to use the wheels to skate transition and do simple tricks as well.
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Get the 78a! IMO, the 86a don’t really make any sense because they don’t handle crust as smoothly as the 78 and don’t have any of the benefits of a harder wheel

Thank you sir, have a gnar
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 23, 2020, 02:33:22 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZdqfxVy.jpg)

I want to try and wallride this ridiculous wall (but might not since the building may be demolished soon).

My question is - for those of you who've skated Ricta Clouds, what softness would be best for this crust? 86a or 78a? Or just in general for any wheel; I'm only inquiring about Clouds because Roger Bagley was praising them on the Nine Club. I still want to use the wheels to skate transition and do simple tricks as well.
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Get the 78a! IMO, the 86a don’t really make any sense because they don’t handle crust as smoothly as the 78 and don’t have any of the benefits of a harder wheel
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Thank you sir, have a gnar

My pleasure, thank you!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 23, 2020, 06:04:23 PM
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I want to try and wallride this ridiculous wall (but might not since the building may be demolished soon).

My question is - for those of you who've skated Ricta Clouds, what softness would be best for this crust? 86a or 78a? Or just in general for any wheel; I'm only inquiring about Clouds because Roger Bagley was praising them on the Nine Club. I still want to use the wheels to skate transition and do simple tricks as well.
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Get the 78a! IMO, the 86a don’t really make any sense because they don’t handle crust as smoothly as the 78 and don’t have any of the benefits of a harder wheel
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Thank you sir, have a gnar

You got me thinking, there is a building next to my apartment due to be demolished soon. I'll go check out the car park to see if I can setup a skate spot there. Travelling to the park and dealing with crowds can be annoying.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on February 23, 2020, 06:45:05 PM
Has anyone skated the spitfire Radials? How do they compare with the Conical Fulls? I want to skate those, Or just get 58mm Classic F4's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on February 23, 2020, 07:56:25 PM
Has anyone skated the spitfire Radials? How do they compare with the Conical Fulls? I want to skate those, Or just get 58mm Classic F4's.
I probably look at this weirdly but this is my take on the differences

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
Once you knock the edge of new conicals there won't be a huge difference
Comparing size, width and riding surface..
Conical fulls are similar to radials
And conical are like radial slims

To me the cuts say this..
Conical - Vans, Dickies, trucker hat, wallet chain, hillbombs, PBR, diy spots, parks for the bowls, etc..
Radials - doper fit that might include multi-colored plastic pants, polo shirt and/or bb/futbol jersey
probably gonna revert powerslide outta something, prefers ledges/plazas, could possibly be a eurocunt..
I feel weird saying it but I'm leaning more towards picking eurocunt myself. But I have no plastic pants and Classics are my go to..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 23, 2020, 09:35:08 PM
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Has anyone skated the spitfire Radials? How do they compare with the Conical Fulls? I want to skate those, Or just get 58mm Classic F4's.
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I probably look at this weirdly but this is my take on the differences

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
Once you knock the edge of new conicals there won't be a huge difference
Comparing size, width and riding surface..
Conical fulls are similar to radials
And conical are like radial slims

To me the cuts say this..
Conical - Vans, Dickies, trucker hat, wallet chain, hillbombs, PBR, diy spots, parks for the bowls, etc..
Radials - doper fit that might include multi-colored plastic pants, polo shirt and/or bb/futbol jersey

probably gonna revert powerslide outta something, prefers ledges/plazas, could possibly be a eurocunt..
I feel weird saying it but I'm leaning more towards picking eurocunt myself. But I have no plastic pants and Classics are my go to..

Now do Classics, Lock-Ins and Tablets!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on February 24, 2020, 02:39:11 AM
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Has anyone skated the spitfire Radials? How do they compare with the Conical Fulls? I want to skate those, Or just get 58mm Classic F4's.
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I probably look at this weirdly but this is my take on the differences

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
Once you knock the edge of new conicals there won't be a huge difference
Comparing size, width and riding surface..
Conical fulls are similar to radials
And conical are like radial slims

To me the cuts say this..
Conical - Vans, Dickies, trucker hat, wallet chain, hillbombs, PBR, diy spots, parks for the bowls, etc..
Radials - doper fit that might include multi-colored plastic pants, polo shirt and/or bb/futbol jersey
probably gonna revert powerslide outta something, prefers ledges/plazas, could possibly be a eurocunt..
I feel weird saying it but I'm leaning more towards picking eurocunt myself. But I have no plastic pants and Classics are my go to..
I would probably get plastic pants asap...or ditch the Classics. I'm worried for you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 24, 2020, 05:21:45 AM
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Has anyone skated the spitfire Radials? How do they compare with the Conical Fulls? I want to skate those, Or just get 58mm Classic F4's.
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I probably look at this weirdly but this is my take on the differences

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
Once you knock the edge of new conicals there won't be a huge difference
Comparing size, width and riding surface..
Conical fulls are similar to radials
And conical are like radial slims

To me the cuts say this..
Conical - Vans, Dickies, trucker hat, wallet chain, hillbombs, PBR, diy spots, parks for the bowls, etc..
Radials - doper fit that might include multi-colored plastic pants, polo shirt and/or bb/futbol jersey
probably gonna revert powerslide outta something, prefers ledges/plazas, could possibly be a eurocunt..
I feel weird saying it but I'm leaning more towards picking eurocunt myself. But I have no plastic pants and Classics are my go to..
Ok haha. Sorry I am replying from my work account. I wanted to try radials for the more rounded edges.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on February 24, 2020, 05:43:34 AM
I’m on radials now. I enjoy them. My only gripe (which has nothing to do with the shape) is that they are 101a and they are so hard to powerslide. I can speed check but I can’t really slide. Which is fine but just weird. And I’ve had them for about 6months to a almost a year now I think and they haven’t turned that natural color. They are still off white which I don’t understand. But Saturday I was skating a spot where I need to slow down at the bottom of this small hill and idk it’s never been a problem they don’t slide til last Saturday. Slide great on ledges. Idk what the deal is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 24, 2020, 05:55:03 AM
I’m on radials now. I enjoy them. My only gripe (which has nothing to do with the shape) is that they are 101a and they are so hard to powerslide. I can speed check but I can’t really slide. Which is fine but just weird. And I’ve had them for about 6months to a almost a year now I think and they haven’t turned that natural color. They are still off white which I don’t understand. But Saturday I was skating a spot where I need to slow down at the bottom of this small hill and idk it’s never been a problem they don’t slide til last Saturday. Slide great on ledges. Idk what the deal is.
Strange...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on February 24, 2020, 06:02:45 AM
Compared to my old spitfires these look white.  I’ll take a photo later to post.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on February 24, 2020, 07:38:26 AM
I just bought some 53mm slime ball vomit miinis. The white ones. There was a seller on Amazon selling them from 23 dollars prime shipping, so I figured that's cheap and grabbed them. I guess I was right because as soon as the order shipped the seller bumped the price up to 33.

The shape looks cool. Never rode these before, though, will I hate them compared to 99a f4's? Will riding them with the graphic in make a difference due to the shape? For the price I can't imagine I went wrong.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on February 24, 2020, 07:44:24 AM
I just bought some 53mm slime ball vomit miinis. The white ones. There was a seller on Amazon selling them from 23 dollars prime shipping, so I figured that's cheap and grabbed them. I guess I was right because as soon as the order shipped the seller bumped the price up to 33.

The shape looks cool. Never rode these before, though, will I hate them compared to 99a f4's? Will riding them with the graphic in make a difference due to the shape? For the price I can't imagine I went wrong.
"The 97a Slimeball formula blend is poured in a reversible dead center bearing and no flex edge radius lip design, resulting in the fastest on command slide-able, slip to grip ratio wheel available. No chipping, no coning, no bearing seat stretch, no softening and no speed loss."
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 24, 2020, 10:55:14 AM
Slime balls rule, I loved mine.

So I got some tiny classic formula spitfires after not having some for quite awhile. Tried them at my indoor and fuck the treads are the worst idea ever. They were like skating on an ice rink I ate shit really bad 2-3 times. Had to go outside and do a bunch of powerslides on old rough asphalt for a long time until they started to wear down. It’s been better but I have no idea why they put treads on there, it doesn’t offer anything.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seventyfrigginseven on February 24, 2020, 04:55:43 PM
Slime balls rule, I loved mine.

So I got some tiny classic formula spitfires after not having some for quite awhile. Tried them at my indoor and fuck the treads are the worst idea ever. They were like skating on an ice rink I ate shit really bad 2-3 times. Had to go outside and do a bunch of powerslides on old rough asphalt for a long time until they started to wear down. It’s been better but I have no idea why they put treads on there, it doesn’t offer anything.
I cant wait to try mine at my indoor park. I put them on last night and I have never been so excited about a set up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MusclesMarinara on February 24, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
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Slime balls rule, I loved mine.

So I got some tiny classic formula spitfires after not having some for quite awhile. Tried them at my indoor and fuck the treads are the worst idea ever. They were like skating on an ice rink I ate shit really bad 2-3 times. Had to go outside and do a bunch of powerslides on old rough asphalt for a long time until they started to wear down. It’s been better but I have no idea why they put treads on there, it doesn’t offer anything.
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I cant wait to try mine at my indoor park. I put them on last night and I have never been so excited about a set up.

I would def recommend skating the parking lot before. Made the mistake of it on a fresh pair of 52mm classics. Other than that they are some nice wheels, have f4 classics on right now cause that's all my shop had but the classic formulas are just as good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 25, 2020, 07:06:10 AM
Is impossible to find F4 Conicals in here hence I'm tempted about getting some Bones. Easy streets have that "plasticy" STF feeling? Also what would be more conical feeling; v4 or v5?
Thanks pals.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on February 25, 2020, 07:17:51 AM
haven't tried the easy streets yet, but obviously v5, since they're conical.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 25, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
Is impossible to find F4 Conicals in here hence I'm tempted about getting some Bones. Easy streets have that "plasticy" STF feeling? Also what would be more conical feeling; v4 or v5?
Thanks pals.

The 99 STFs/Easy Streets feel very different (to me) and I ride STFs almost exclusively now; Get the V5, sick shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on February 25, 2020, 09:57:49 AM
Stf v5 I got 55mm and really like them. Less chalky than 99a f4 but very smooth slide and fairly smooth on rougher ground.
The easy streets I have not skated much but whenever I tried some they felt stickier and less controllable when going sideways
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 25, 2020, 10:24:56 AM
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Is impossible to find F4 Conicals in here hence I'm tempted about getting some Bones. Easy streets have that "plasticy" STF feeling? Also what would be more conical feeling; v4 or v5?
Thanks pals.
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The 99 STFs/Easy Streets feel very different (to me) and I ride STFs almost exclusively now; Get the V5, sick shape.

I was constantly sticking on tail slides with the easy streets and didnt know why, this morning i went there with the f4 99s and didnt have any issue. So yeah, not a huge fan of the easy steets. theyre fine but f4s slide better with ledges n curbs in my experience. Great on transition and no issues w reverts. Just soft and plasticy feeling. First stf wheel I tried. Ill gladly trade with someone who wants to try these. I pulled them and put my 50mm Ricta Lightning Boltz on my secondary setup. Not sure why Ricta gets so much hate on here. Those are really solid wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on February 25, 2020, 10:44:15 AM
So OJ Keyframes revised their design? New core? Or just colored with new graphics?



(https://cdn.daddiesboardshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/235x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/9/193172128150-1.1580557130.jpg)




previous:
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 25, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
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Is impossible to find F4 Conicals in here hence I'm tempted about getting some Bones. Easy streets have that "plasticy" STF feeling? Also what would be more conical feeling; v4 or v5?
Thanks pals.
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The 99 STFs/Easy Streets feel very different (to me) and I ride STFs almost exclusively now; Get the V5, sick shape.
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I was constantly sticking on tail slides with the easy streets and didnt know why, this morning i went there with the f4 99s and didnt have any issue. So yeah, not a huge fan of the easy steets. theyre fine but f4s slide better with ledges n curbs in my experience. Great on transition and no issues w reverts. Just soft and plasticy feeling. First stf wheel I tried. Ill gladly trade with someone who wants to try these. I pulled them and put my 50mm Ricta Lightning Boltz on my secondary setup. Not sure why Ricta gets so much hate on here. Those are really solid wheels
Can't stand that, I was able to find some conical full (I was looking for just conicals) but in black... At least on the bright side they're cheap for a F4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 25, 2020, 12:08:09 PM
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Is impossible to find F4 Conicals in here hence I'm tempted about getting some Bones. Easy streets have that "plasticy" STF feeling? Also what would be more conical feeling; v4 or v5?
Thanks pals.
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The 99 STFs/Easy Streets feel very different (to me) and I ride STFs almost exclusively now; Get the V5, sick shape.
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I was constantly sticking on tail slides with the easy streets and didnt know why, this morning i went there with the f4 99s and didnt have any issue. So yeah, not a huge fan of the easy steets. theyre fine but f4s slide better with ledges n curbs in my experience. Great on transition and no issues w reverts. Just soft and plasticy feeling. First stf wheel I tried. Ill gladly trade with someone who wants to try these. I pulled them and put my 50mm Ricta Lightning Boltz on my secondary setup. Not sure why Ricta gets so much hate on here. Those are really solid wheels
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Can't stand that, I was able to find some conical full (I was looking for just conicals) but in black... At least on the bright side they're cheap for a F4

Yeah I almost grabbed the black ones too because there were no f4 52mms conical full 99s in stock. Ended up getting 51mm classic shape and those are good and have no issues but I prefer a larger contact patch usually. I havent had any colored wheels in a long time but I think its fine and just ride what you like. The f4s feel harder than the easy streets but are not any worse on rough pavement than the easy streets regarding the vibrations. Im just sticking with f4 99s or the mini slimeballs 97a from here on. For bad pavement, I keep a set of Ricta Clouds 92 in my bag. Im done with my wheel search. F4 ftw
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ILikeToMilkDucks on February 25, 2020, 03:40:19 PM
So OJ Keyframes revised their design? New core? Or just colored with new graphics?



(https://cdn.daddiesboardshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/235x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/9/193172128150-1.1580557130.jpg)




previous:
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=OJPJKWH-WH-1.jpg&nw=435)

Core looks the same as my old ones. I think they just spruced them up. If anyone knows better feel free to correct me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on February 26, 2020, 12:47:18 PM
I came across NFG MFG wheels a few weeks back on IG and thought they looked interesting. I live in one of the oldest neighborhoods in Houston which means I’m surrounded by miles of terribly rough, pitted concrete so I mainly stick to softer wheels but I’ve been wanting to try something harder and heard newer hard formulas are way better on rough streets than the old hard wheels I used to ride a decade or two ago so I ordered a set of the square shape 54mm from them.

Overall, I’m really happy with them and I don’t mind the feel on shitty concrete. They grip well enough on hard turns at speed, roll fairly fast, and are way more forgiving when sliding the board around after landing a little crooked than soft wheels are.

I know these guys are a small operation and have read a couple posts here where other people mentioned some weird blemishes, maybe, on the surface of the wheels from the hand-pouring process. Honestly, I was a little bugged out when I opened the set cause they definitely have a very different look than stuff I’ve bought from major wheel manufacturers. There’s weird bubbles on the sidewalls and some speckling that reminds me of melted vanilla ice cream or something. I have no experience with hand poured wheels or these newer formulas so I wasn’t sure what to make of it but the aesthetic issues don’t seem to have any effect on the ride; I guess time will tell if they have an effect as the wheels age.

Also, a note about the graphics: Right out of the shrink wrap some of the lettering (see pics) was just loosely adhered to the wheel and I found it would come off with just a little rubbing with my thumb. I dig the look of a blank wheel so it didn’t bother me at all, just thought it was strange they’d not want the branding to last more than a day, especially as a newer company. I later saw some posts saying that these guys also make wheels for Loophole and flashed back to a guy at a local shop telling me about his issues with the same phenomenon. He was saying that he loved them but recommended just taking the graphic off ASAP cause he had issues with the paint flaking into his shieldless bearings.

I figure I’ll ride these for a while and try out some other companies’ modern hard formulas to compare eventually.

(https://i.imgur.com/uDMxXMU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rfP02o2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QTesnUT.jpg)
After one session

(https://i.imgur.com/pHWg6j1.jpg)
After three or four sessions and rubbing the rest of the graphic off with my fingertips
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BL0B on February 26, 2020, 12:53:32 PM
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fuck no! not even for free.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on February 26, 2020, 01:02:48 PM
those look like they were made in someones garage
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on February 26, 2020, 01:03:51 PM
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fuck no! not even for free.

Ha! Damn, really? Again, I’ve never seen wheels like this but I figured, given that some human had to see them when they were shrink wrapping the package, that it’s not a defect so much as just a byproduct of their process. Do you think it would result in some issue with the wheel as they wear down or is it more just an aesthetic thing that puts you off? Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 26, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
I came across NFG MFG wheels a few weeks back on IG and thought they looked interesting. I live in one of the oldest neighborhoods in Houston which means I’m surrounded by miles of terribly rough, pitted concrete so I mainly stick to softer wheels but I’ve been wanting to try something harder and heard newer hard formulas are way better on rough streets than the old hard wheels I used to ride a decade or two ago so I ordered a set of the square shape 54mm from them.

Overall, I’m really happy with them and I don’t mind the feel on shitty concrete. They grip well enough on hard turns at speed, roll fairly fast, and are way more forgiving when sliding the board around after landing a little crooked than soft wheels are.

I know these guys are a small operation and have read a couple posts here where other people mentioned some weird blemishes, maybe, on the surface of the wheels from the hand-pouring process. Honestly, I was a little bugged out when I opened the set cause they definitely have a very different look than stuff I’ve bought from major wheel manufacturers. There’s weird bubbles on the sidewalls and some speckling that reminds me of melted vanilla ice cream or something. I have no experience with hand poured wheels or these newer formulas so I wasn’t sure what to make of it but the aesthetic issues don’t seem to have any effect on the ride; I guess time will tell if they have an effect as the wheels age.

Also, a note about the graphics: Right out of the shrink wrap some of the lettering (see pics) was just loosely adhered to the wheel and I found it would come off with just a little rubbing with my thumb. I dig the look of a blank wheel so it didn’t bother me at all, just thought it was strange they’d not want the branding to last more than a day, especially as a newer company. I later saw some posts saying that these guys also make wheels for Loophole and flashed back to a guy at a local shop telling me about his issues with the same phenomenon. He was saying that he loved them but recommended just taking the graphic off ASAP cause he had issues with the paint flaking into his shieldless bearings.

I figure I’ll ride these for a while and try out some other companies’ modern hard formulas to compare eventually.

(https://i.imgur.com/uDMxXMU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rfP02o2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QTesnUT.jpg)
After one session

(https://i.imgur.com/pHWg6j1.jpg)
After three or four sessions and rubbing the rest of the graphic off with my fingertips

I’ve got a set of these and also a set of Loopholes which are exactly the same wheel. Lettering peeled off quick but the quality of both sets of wheels is great for me. Feels decent on medium/low crusty streets, slides and grips well. Feels/sounds like a slightly muted F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: baustin on February 26, 2020, 01:06:30 PM
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fuck no! not even for free.
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Ha! Damn, really? Again, I’ve never seen wheels like this but I figured, given that some human had to see them when they were shrink wrapping the package, that it’s not a defect so much as just a byproduct of their process. Do you think it would result in some issue with the wheel as they wear down or is it more just an aesthetic thing that puts you off? Thanks!

Looks like they need to go back to the drawing board because no one in their right mind would pay money for wheels that look like that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BL0B on February 26, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
i wanna see a clip of these wheels spinning all fucking wonky, they don't look concentric.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on February 26, 2020, 01:25:23 PM
i wanna see a clip of these wheels spinning all fucking wonky, they don't look concentric.

That might be distortion from the wide lens you’re seeing? Anyway, here’s a video, they all seemed to spin the same.

Edit: To clarify, the wheels’ shape are fine, the bearings seated as well as or better than most wheels I have from major manufacturers and they roll smoothly on the ground.
(https://i.imgur.com/gLBVI6k.mp4)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on February 26, 2020, 02:10:25 PM
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I just bought some 53mm slime ball vomit miinis. The white ones. There was a seller on Amazon selling them from 23 dollars prime shipping, so I figured that's cheap and grabbed them. I guess I was right because as soon as the order shipped the seller bumped the price up to 33.

The shape looks cool. Never rode these before, though, will I hate them compared to 99a f4's? Will riding them with the graphic in make a difference due to the shape? For the price I can't imagine I went wrong.
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"The 97a Slimeball formula blend is poured in a reversible dead center bearing and no flex edge radius lip design, resulting in the fastest on command slide-able, slip to grip ratio wheel available. No chipping, no coning, no bearing seat stretch, no softening and no speed loss."

This has been bothering me for a while but are Slime Balls and Keyframes not the same wheel mould/core now pretty much? are Keyframes just a hipster Slime Ball? ;-)

I fucking love my Keyframes (52mm/87a) so no problem here...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on February 26, 2020, 02:18:53 PM
actually, ignore me... the back of the wheel is clearly not so cut away on the Slimers, view from the contact patch side is very similar tho'
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on February 26, 2020, 02:31:12 PM
Those garage produced DIY wheels look sick. I'd market it as Meth Lab Wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 26, 2020, 04:23:42 PM
The bubbles are pretty common if you've ever tried hand-pouring urethane or epoxy. It's pretty hard to avoid introducing air/moisture in the mixing/pouring process without a perfectly controlled environment and machinery, but it shouldn't really affect the quality of the wheel. The quality (and amount) of the ingredients is what's most important, so if they're doing small batch hand pours of high quality urethane then the wheels are still going to be good with or without the bubbles.

I used to mess around with a girl who's dad was really into roller skating (he did speed skating trials and shit) and the wheels they used always had bubbles because they used some special urethane that poured really slowly and he wouldn't buy wheels that were perfectly smooth because it was a sign they were using fillers or lower quality urethane. Wheels from the big manufacturers undergo a smoothing and bleaching process to make them look pretty but it doesn't make them skate any better. It's kind of the same thing as any other homebrew process... just because the final presentation isn't as polished doesn't mean the product is inferior quality. I'll take a small batch IPA in a mason jar from someone who knows what they're doing over a budweiser any day.

I haven't tried NFG's wheels so they could be dogshit for all I know, but I wouldn't be scared off by the imperfect casting. If anything its nice to know they're actually hand pouring them and its not just marketing bullshit. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CaptainCheeks on February 26, 2020, 04:28:09 PM
Anybody tried jivaro wheels I usually skate 99a but  I just want to know if they are slippery at 101A
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on February 26, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
The bubbles are pretty common if you've ever tried hand-pouring urethane or epoxy. It's pretty hard to avoid introducing air/moisture in the mixing/pouring process without a perfectly controlled environment and machinery, but it shouldn't really affect the quality of the wheel. The quality (and amount) of the ingredients is what's most important, so if they're doing small batch hand pours of high quality urethane then the wheels are still going to be good with or without the bubbles.

I used to mess around with a girl who's dad was really into roller skating (he did speed skating trials and shit) and the wheels they used always had bubbles because they used some special urethane that poured really slowly and he wouldn't buy wheels that were perfectly smooth because it was a sign they were using fillers or lower quality urethane. Wheels from the big manufacturers undergo a smoothing and bleaching process to make them look pretty but it doesn't make them skate any better. It's kind of the same thing as any other homebrew process... just because the final presentation isn't as polished doesn't mean the product is inferior quality. I'll take a small batch IPA in a mason jar from someone who knows what they're doing over a budweiser any day.

I haven't tried NFG's wheels so they could be dogshit for all I know, but I wouldn't be scared off by the imperfect casting. If anything its nice to know they're actually hand pouring them and its not just marketing bullshit.

Thanks for that input. When I first opened them I was struck by the look enough to bother taking pics before putting them on the board but couldn’t really think of a reason not to give them a shot. I finally rode them for a couple hours on the first smooth concrete this afternoon and they honestly rode perfectly. I didn’t know how much I was missing the feel of a new hard wheel on smooth concrete.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on February 26, 2020, 04:43:41 PM
I’ve been eyeing some Loophole. Seeing those pics just make me want to give them a shot even more.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on February 26, 2020, 05:15:36 PM
I’ve been eyeing some Loophole. Seeing those pics just make me want to give them a shot even more.

If you do and/or anyone else who has ridden Loophole or NFG could offer their thoughts on how they compare to other similar wheels you’ve ridden, I’d appreciate it. Lurking on slap has intensified my gear acquisition hunger over the last few months and I figure I might as well start planning out my next two or fifteen sets of wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on February 26, 2020, 05:56:55 PM
I really wanna try loophole also. I’m always skating 101a but I’ve been debating on trying 99a or anything aside from spitfire F4. I just wanna try a new wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tony volume on February 26, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
Recently moved to the bay area, Berkeley to be specific , any recommendations on a wheel for street skating out here, the ground here is really rough
OJ Keyframes. Pick a size! They work really good on those rough streets. I’m from Orinda, but currently in process of moving to Honolulu, HI
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on February 26, 2020, 09:15:51 PM
does bigger contact patch = less slide? trying to find out if i want 53, 54, or 56 conical full 101 spits next
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sadnocomply on February 26, 2020, 09:40:47 PM
does bigger contact patch = less slide? trying to find out if i want 53, 54, or 56 conical full 101 spits next
Yes, but the bigger the patch the more “controllable the slide” less contact would be easier to get into slide. I’m sure it’s all subjective. I have way better slide on 54 conical than I do 53 conical full and it’s like a 1.5 mm difference in contact patch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on February 26, 2020, 10:10:29 PM
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Yes, but the bigger the patch the more “controllable the slide” less contact would be easier to get into slide. I’m sure it’s all subjective. I have way better slide on 54 conical than I do 53 conical full and it’s like a 1.5 mm difference in contact patch.
are you riding 99 or 101a? in my mind im thinking that 101a will be less grippy anyways so the wider contact patch would help control it, but thats just an assumption
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 26, 2020, 10:24:01 PM
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Yes, but the bigger the patch the more “controllable the slide” less contact would be easier to get into slide. I’m sure it’s all subjective. I have way better slide on 54 conical than I do 53 conical full and it’s like a 1.5 mm difference in contact patch.
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are you riding 99 or 101a? in my mind im thinking that 101a will be less grippy anyways so the wider contact patch would help control it, but thats just an assumption

Ah shit I hope this doesn't re-ignite that contact patch / friction debate again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sadnocomply on February 26, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
99s sorry forgot to mention that, I think 101s and my knees/feet don’t mix too well and I like to go fast and huck a fair amount. 99s are my jam in every shape. I’m hooked on conicals tho, best shape ever full or non. Broken in 54mm classics (more like 52) if I’m feelin tech
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sadnocomply on February 26, 2020, 10:33:35 PM
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Yes, but the bigger the patch the more “controllable the slide” less contact would be easier to get into slide. I’m sure it’s all subjective. I have way better slide on 54 conical than I do 53 conical full and it’s like a 1.5 mm difference in contact patch.
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are you riding 99 or 101a? in my mind im thinking that 101a will be less grippy anyways so the wider contact patch would help control it, but thats just an assumption
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Ah shit I hope this doesn't re-ignite that contact patch / friction debate again.
Haha I hope it does. Love nerding out about wheels and trucks. Decks are meh I know what I like in that department.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 27, 2020, 03:13:31 AM
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Yes, but the bigger the patch the more “controllable the slide” less contact would be easier to get into slide. I’m sure it’s all subjective. I have way better slide on 54 conical than I do 53 conical full and it’s like a 1.5 mm difference in contact patch.
This. Is harder to get into the slide but once you get there the feeling is better.
Everytime I had 101 I hated them and myself for betraying 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on February 27, 2020, 03:55:13 AM
Anybody tried jivaro wheels I usually skate 99a but  I just want to know if they are slippery at 101A

I've got a pair of 53mm 101a Jivaro conicals. They're good wheels, I don't know what you consider "slippery" but I had no issues with them and they're probably the 101 I skate most often. I skate almost exclusively on shitty asphalt though, so I don't know how they'd fare in on indoor park style surface but I would think they'd be fine after wearing the grooves down a bit. If you've ever skated spitfire OG classic 99 they feel similar but a little harder to me.

They use mpc/creative urethane so if you don't care about looks TGM has some 54mm 99a conicals made by the same place for $12 with free shipping. I have a set of those and the 97a black and white ones (orbs blanks, probably seconds or overrun) and both are very good albeit a bit goofy looking.

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboard-wheels-set-54mm-x-33mm-99a-pink-white-swirl/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 27, 2020, 05:22:44 AM
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I’ve been eyeing some Loophole. Seeing those pics just make me want to give them a shot even more.
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If you do and/or anyone else who has ridden Loophole or NFG could offer their thoughts on how they compare to other similar wheels you’ve ridden, I’d appreciate it. Lurking on slap has intensified my gear acquisition hunger over the last few months and I figure I might as well start planning out my next two or fifteen sets of wheels.
yo I did a review a few pages back, search back through my post history should be pretty easy to find

edit: did the homework for ya ;)

okay so I promised this one a while back but shit has been busy since being back at work after the break.
disclaimer: I usually ride nothing but spitfire F4 99 classic and radial slims in size 54mm - I'm old and stuck in my ways and don't want to change but, as I mentioned a few pages back, I wanted to set up a EE3 era inspired board that had some big chunky wheels that were reminiscent of what those guys were riding back then, I was thinking I wanted something like physics wheels and ended up getting these 56mm conical loopholes:
(https://i.imgur.com/lDitH7V.jpg?1)
said set-up looks/ looked like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/CAOEXZt.jpg?1)


initial impressions: as you've probably seen from pics, these wheels are NOT white and look quite old from the get-go. I usually skate F4s so this isn't a problem per se but they are more yellow than brand new F4s. I also noticed little air bubbles/ imperfections in the finishing which kinda reminded me of 90s wheels too!

first skate: I set them up ready to break them in over xmas/ new year because I knew I had enough time off to get a good 7 - 10 session in. The first roll I had on them was in front of my house on the rough road with my son. Hard to judge from this session but they felt nice and fast (probably because I ride 54mm usually) and it was good to see they had no tread on them, just like my beloved F4s. also, the get DIRTY! maybe it's the bigger riding surface but they seemed so fucking grimy after each of my skates...

Second session: Off to my local DIY. The ground there is concrete but still smooth enough to get good power slides on. I do quite a lot of frontside power slides and little switch front 360 ones and straight off the bat I could tell they are down to slide and were quire responsive/ similar to F4s. These ones are listed as 101s (or 84b or some shit) and I could tell they were a tad more slippery than regular F4 99s especially when skating another local spot that has granite tiles on the ground.

third and forth sessions: not gunna lie, I had a lot of fun on this setup and it was the exact look/ feel I was looking for. I did skate a lot over the break and while I'm hardly progressing these days I felt that there wasn't something right about all the skates I had, I was still landing stuff but some tricks were a pain and I was having particular problems with long board slide/ lip slide type tricks on the local ledge. Of course I blame the wheels because I never had this problem with my F4s. The other issue was pop, I was ghosting a lot on tricks I don't usually ghost on. sure, it's a new set-up and it's only 2mm difference but it was getting me down, my board felt heavier too (probably 99% mental). how can 2mm fuck me up this much???

few more sessions in front of my house in the cold: what the fuck is wrong with my pop? I'm skating nearly every day and I'm missing simple shit, even just straight nollies are dribbling along the ground. I get fed up with this shit, run in the house and grab and old pair of F4 classic 54mm (probably 52mm at this point) and start changing them over. In my head I don't want to do it, but the kick on this deck is quite short and I NEED to check if it's the wheels or if I just suck at skating. I think the spitties are going to be a lot slower but was surprised to find that there was hardly any difference. I chalk this up to 99 vs 101 issue; the loopholes were harder and thus not as good when riding on rough surfaces. After 5 or so minutes I get my old (man) pop back, my board instantly feels lighter and even though I don't have the "look" I was going for my set-up just feels right.

next session at my local: had a much better session than the last 3 or 4. Lipslide/ long board slide tricks on the ledge still don't work but it was a wax issue, not a wheel issue.

closing thoughts: they aren't terrible wheels, far from it. The color is going to turn a lot of people off, but function wise I liked them a lot, and their slide felt natural and intuitive. The site I bought them off said they were a tad softer than F4 99s. I don't agree with that but I don't think they are on the harder side of 101s either (ala prize fighter cutlery which absolutely rattled my teeth). So yeah, slide better than 99 F4s but I never skate F4 101s so can't compare. I'm thinking of giving them another shot; either on a board with a bigger tail, or back on the northern co. until I can dial the pop in. In hindsight I probably should have just gotten 54mm because a) I never skate bigger than that anyway and b) I don't usually skate conical wheels.

If I end up not doing anything with them, I'm happy to unload them to a fellow pal if they want pay shipping from Japan. Will let you all know... hope this review is somewhat helpful for someone out there!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 27, 2020, 05:29:45 AM
I can see why some of you don't like colored urethane. My black Spitfires F4's are all crunchy and chipped, and flat spotted, I don't know if this is normal for colored urethane but I've never had this happen before with Spitfires. I've only been skating these wheels for about a week.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: spacial_profiling on February 27, 2020, 05:56:02 AM
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Yes, but the bigger the patch the more “controllable the slide” less contact would be easier to get into slide. I’m sure it’s all subjective. I have way better slide on 54 conical than I do 53 conical full and it’s like a 1.5 mm difference in contact patch.
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are you riding 99 or 101a? in my mind im thinking that 101a will be less grippy anyways so the wider contact patch would help control it, but thats just an assumption
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Ah shit I hope this doesn't re-ignite that contact patch / friction debate again.

I slide better on wider patch personally.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 27, 2020, 11:44:10 AM
I can see why some of you don't like colored urethane. My black Spitfires F4's are all crunchy and chipped, and flat spotted, I don't know if this is normal for colored urethane but I've never had this happen before with Spitfires. I've only been skating these wheels for about a week.

Oddly the older STFs that came in colors felt WAAAAY better than the stock vanilla color of old. They always felt better to me, especially the yellow.
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Post by: ClownOfTheDay on February 27, 2020, 12:02:00 PM
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I can see why some of you don't like colored urethane. My black Spitfires F4's are all crunchy and chipped, and flat spotted, I don't know if this is normal for colored urethane but I've never had this happen before with Spitfires. I've only been skating these wheels for about a week.
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Oddly the older STFs that came in colors felt WAAAAY better than the stock vanilla color of old. They always felt better to me, especially the yellow.
I wonder if it's the dye that changes the urethane. These spitfires feel so different. I want to try bones but I am such a DLX loyalist.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 27, 2020, 12:13:04 PM
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I can see why some of you don't like colored urethane. My black Spitfires F4's are all crunchy and chipped, and flat spotted, I don't know if this is normal for colored urethane but I've never had this happen before with Spitfires. I've only been skating these wheels for about a week.
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Oddly the older STFs that came in colors felt WAAAAY better than the stock vanilla color of old. They always felt better to me, especially the yellow.
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I wonder if it's the dye that changes the urethane. These spitfires feel so different. I want to try bones but I am such a DLX loyalist.

Not sure I mean, they have to add color to get it the color we skate or it would be filthy brown(?).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 28, 2020, 11:11:37 AM
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Not sure I mean, they have to add color to get it the color we skate or it would be filthy brown(?).

100%

The bright white the bones wheels come in is a color too.

I found these 20 year old Accel wheels. Was Mike V's wheels co that went under. Surprisingly great shape and slide. I def prefer to the easy streets I was using.  Conical shape and natural. Pretty cool find with some 25 yr old venture v lights low
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on February 28, 2020, 07:39:45 PM
So where I live the ground is really rough and 53's aren't cutting it. Should I skate a 54 - 60mm wheel just so my wheels don't get stuck in the cracks? I don't like the feeling of softer wheels (anything under 99) Would any of you recommend skating street with big wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on February 28, 2020, 07:59:28 PM
So where I live the ground is really rough and 53's aren't cutting it. Should I skate a 54 - 60mm wheel just so my wheels don't get stuck in the cracks? I don't like the feeling of softer wheels (anything under 99) Would any of you recommend skating street with big wheels?

I max out at 54mm maybe 55 for street personally but Ive seen some do 56mm. Have you tried the mini slimeballs? 97a but feels very much like 99 and has a wide contact patch which would be good smooth things out a bit.
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Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 28, 2020, 08:07:14 PM
So where I live the ground is really rough and 53's aren't cutting it. Should I skate a 54 - 60mm wheel just so my wheels don't get stuck in the cracks? I don't like the feeling of softer wheels (anything under 99) Would any of you recommend skating street with big wheels?

That's comes to personal preference. One if my friends skates 60mm wheels on a 8" deck. It works for him, but it's something I personally wouldn't recommend.

I'd say give Bones STF Easy Streets 54-56mm a try. They handle rough streets pretty well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on February 28, 2020, 08:16:00 PM
Just got a set of F4 Lock ins in the mail and one wheel has a bubble. Very similar to those garage wheels.

Should I make a fuss?  :-\
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 50mm on February 28, 2020, 08:21:35 PM
Just got a set of F4 Lock ins in the mail and one wheel has a bubble. Very similar to those garage wheels.

Should I make a fuss?  :-\
post a pic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on February 29, 2020, 05:59:45 AM
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I max out at 54mm maybe 55 for street personally but Ive seen some do 56mm. Have you tried the mini slimeballs? 97a but feels very much like 99 and has a wide contact patch which would be good smooth things out a bit.
I have my eye on some OJ hosoi rockets.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 29, 2020, 06:30:17 AM
So where I live the ground is really rough and 53's aren't cutting it. Should I skate a 54 - 60mm wheel just so my wheels don't get stuck in the cracks? I don't like the feeling of softer wheels (anything under 99) Would any of you recommend skating street with big wheels?

I go back and forth between 52mm and 61mm wheels (usually 99a) on street and I’ve found that for sure, the bigger wheels handle cracks and medium crusty ground better than the smaller wheels. They go faster and you sit a little higher, which makes things pop a little different.

Weight wise, for what I can do (uncomplicated ledge tricks, basic flip tricks, some wall ride variations and mostly ollieing over shit) the wheels size makes little difference. When it does seem to make a difference, a day or two later (or after watching some Matt reason footage) it doesn’t seem to make a difference at all, which makes me think it’s mostly mental.

Wheel shape seems to have more of an influence on what I can do and how skating feels. Conical full style wheels in any size seem to be my most comfortable shape. For bigger wheels, 58mm F4 conical fulls and 60mm Spitfire Og classics have been my favorites and hold up to street skating well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 29, 2020, 09:53:27 AM
I have my eyes on some Pig wheels, C-Line 54mm. Pig will always have a soft and warm place in my heart since they were my first real skateboard wheels.
(https://i.imgur.com/VRAOgytl.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on February 29, 2020, 11:21:49 AM
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So where I live the ground is really rough and 53's aren't cutting it. Should I skate a 54 - 60mm wheel just so my wheels don't get stuck in the cracks? I don't like the feeling of softer wheels (anything under 99) Would any of you recommend skating street with big wheels?
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I go back and forth between 52mm and 61mm wheels (usually 99a) on street and I’ve found that for sure, the bigger wheels handle cracks and medium crusty ground better than the smaller wheels. They go faster and you sit a little higher, which makes things pop a little different.

Weight wise, for what I can do (uncomplicated ledge tricks, basic flip tricks, some wall ride variations and mostly ollieing over shit) the wheels size makes little difference. When it does seem to make a difference, a day or two later (or after watching some Matt reason footage) it doesn’t seem to make a difference at all, which makes me think it’s mostly mental.

Wheel shape seems to have more of an influence on what I can do and how skating feels. Conical full style wheels in any size seem to be my most comfortable shape. For bigger wheels, 58mm F4 conical fulls and 60mm Spitfire Og classics have been my favorites and hold up to street skating well.
Ok I'll take your word on 58's - 60's. Gonna stick with spitfire unless I do an 80's hosoi board.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on February 29, 2020, 12:05:57 PM
I’ve been feeling like my F4 54mm conicals 99a with a 20.2 riding surface are slow on rougher pavement streets. Will 58-60mm make that big of a difference? Or conical full versus conical? Ie going up to, say, 25 riding surface on the 56mm conical full?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ItsNoUse on February 29, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
I have my eyes on some Pig wheels, C-Line 54mm. Pig will always have a soft and warm place in my heart since they were my first real skateboard wheels.
(https://i.imgur.com/VRAOgytl.jpg)
I really wanna hear about their new formula, "Pig prime" - It looks good but I haven't seen anyone say anything about them yet. If they made the prime urethane in a conical or c-line, I'd hop on them. I like their team.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 29, 2020, 10:49:54 PM
Anyone skate OJ Elites? If so how are they compared to STF or F4?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on March 01, 2020, 12:28:19 PM
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my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.
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95a.. that sounds tempting. please check back in later and tell us how they perform with noseslides and stuff
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took these out a few times over the weekend. these are great on streets around the neighborhood. the roads + sidewalks are not too rough, but def not skatepark smooth. these 95s had enough softness to get around with ease but still slide, pop, flip, and feel and perform close to a 99a.

took them to the park and they were more grippy than 99s of course, but not too bad overall. had to make sure not to over rotate ollies and such on the quarterpipes + hips or i would stick. noseslides not a problem, i'm on indys, so may be a diff story on thunders.

they have treads as new, but think after they break in a bit more will get better slides, and they could make a great ATV wheel. will post pics after some more sessions.

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sounds good, how's the white color? is it fake-plastic-y looking and is that going away with wear? interested in the 87 keyframe 92 cloud 95 mini logo differences

been pretty cold in the nyc area lately, but got a few rolls in. starting to break these in, feeling great around the neighborhood. still pretty white, but not fake plasticy looking or feeling. they're on an antihero 8.06 w/ indy stage VII, going to take off the 1/8" rubber riser since i had 54mm wheels on this prior.

as far as a true atv wheel, as others have said, not sure it exists. based on my initial feedback above from running these 95a at the park, will def stick with F4 99a classics for smooth parks. i guess this just means i have to run 2 set ups.... park board + street board. both set ups will have same deck width/length/WB specs, both w/ indys + bones bushings + bearings, only diff will be wheel duro. going to swap out the minilogo 95a to the ricta cloud 92a to see if i like those better for neighborhood streets + crusty spots.

today is beautiful, so heading out to roll....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on March 02, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
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my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.
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95a.. that sounds tempting. please check back in later and tell us how they perform with noseslides and stuff
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took these out a few times over the weekend. these are great on streets around the neighborhood. the roads + sidewalks are not too rough, but def not skatepark smooth. these 95s had enough softness to get around with ease but still slide, pop, flip, and feel and perform close to a 99a.

took them to the park and they were more grippy than 99s of course, but not too bad overall. had to make sure not to over rotate ollies and such on the quarterpipes + hips or i would stick. noseslides not a problem, i'm on indys, so may be a diff story on thunders.

they have treads as new, but think after they break in a bit more will get better slides, and they could make a great ATV wheel. will post pics after some more sessions.

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sounds good, how's the white color? is it fake-plastic-y looking and is that going away with wear? interested in the 87 keyframe 92 cloud 95 mini logo differences
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been pretty cold in the nyc area lately, but got a few rolls in. starting to break these in, feeling great around the neighborhood. still pretty white, but not fake plasticy looking or feeling. they're on an antihero 8.06 w/ indy stage VII, going to take off the 1/8" rubber riser since i had 54mm wheels on this prior.

as far as a true atv wheel, as others have said, not sure it exists. based on my initial feedback above from running these 95a at the park, will def stick with F4 99a classics for smooth parks. i guess this just means i have to run 2 set ups.... park board + street board. both set ups will have same deck width/length/WB specs, both w/ indys + bones bushings + bearings, only diff will be wheel duro. going to swap out the minilogo 95a to the ricta cloud 92a to see if i like those better for neighborhood streets + crusty spots.

today is beautiful, so heading out to roll....

I know what you mean. Im using the 92 a clouds and I keep them in my glovebox with some bearings for when pavement is rough. Its the only way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 02, 2020, 01:42:47 PM
Apparently the shortage of F4 in my country is due because there is no longer a distributor in here for Spitfire. I'm interested in stepping in of course, trying to reach Spitfire like a man but no luck so far.
Anybody has some contact email?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on March 03, 2020, 07:43:18 AM
Apparently the shortage of F4 in my country is due because there is no longer a distributor in here for Spitfire. I'm interested in stepping in of course, trying to reach Spitfire like a man but no luck so far.
Anybody has some contact email?

Cant you order off ebay and get international shipping?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on March 03, 2020, 07:51:05 AM
Apparently the shortage of F4 in my country is due because there is no longer a distributor in here for Spitfire. I'm interested in stepping in of course, trying to reach Spitfire like a man but no luck so far.
Anybody has some contact email?

Where do you live?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 03, 2020, 09:25:00 AM
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Apparently the shortage of F4 in my country is due because there is no longer a distributor in here for Spitfire. I'm interested in stepping in of course, trying to reach Spitfire like a man but no luck so far.
Anybody has some contact email?
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Where do you live?
Chile
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Whitedude on March 03, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
Finally gonna retire my lock-ins anybody got any suggestions?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on March 03, 2020, 09:51:45 AM
Finally gonna retire my lock-ins anybody got any suggestions?
Radials.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 03, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
Tablets? Reversible lock ins?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MxsDx on March 03, 2020, 11:40:09 AM
Anyone skate OJ Elites? If so how are they compared to STF or F4?

I've skated OJ Elite 55mm, 101 duro (https://www.tactics.com/oj/winkowski-trash-panda-elite-universals-skateboard-wheels/blue-101a), Spitfire F4 Conical full 54mm, 101 duro (https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels/white-101d), Bones Easy Streets 54mm, 99 duro, v5 sidecut, and Bones STF 55mm, 103 duro, v5 sidecut.

I enjoyed the OJ's and really liked the shape. At 101 duro, however, they felt somewhat chalky, chirped a lot on concrete transition, and rattled my feet on rough surfaces. Good slide and good speed overall though.  By comparison, the spitfire F4 101 duro felt much softer/engaging and more comfortable on all surfaces.  The easy streets 99 duro  felt super plush and forgiving rolling around on the street, but are a bit grabby and require more push to break loose and slide (powerslides and ledge tricks). I am currently running the Bones STF 55mm, 103 duro v5 sidecut. This is my favorite wheel shape so far. The wheel is very fast on concrete transition, but has good controllable slide-ability.

These are just my observations.  I am sure something in this thread will eventually make me question everything and jump down another rabbit hole in search of the next best thing...which reminds me, I've got a set of 99 duro f4 classics waiting in the wings to try next...the madness never ends. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: whatsreallygood on March 03, 2020, 01:30:01 PM
I've only ever rode bones 101 STFs, I'm tempted to get some tablet 101 F4s at some point but the OJs sound neat too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 03, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
Finally gonna retire my lock-ins anybody got any suggestions?
Conicals
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 03, 2020, 02:08:44 PM
Anyone ever ride Speedlab wheels? They came out with a Jason Adams wheel that I like, but I don't know how the wheels perform.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on March 03, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
Anyone ever ride Speedlab wheels? They came out with a Jason Adams wheel that I like, but I don't know how the wheels perform.

I have a set of their 58mm 97a Danforths that I like. They’re pretty wide, rounded conical shape. It felt like they took forever to break in but they handle a little crust and still roll reasonably fast. I don’t ride much smooth concrete so my experience is more on streets but even on rough concrete, they’ll break loose for a speed check or something if you push hard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 03, 2020, 05:36:04 PM
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Anyone skate OJ Elites? If so how are they compared to STF or F4?
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I've skated OJ Elite 55mm, 101 duro (https://www.tactics.com/oj/winkowski-trash-panda-elite-universals-skateboard-wheels/blue-101a), Spitfire F4 Conical full 54mm, 101 duro (https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels/white-101d), Bones Easy Streets 54mm, 99 duro, v5 sidecut, and Bones STF 55mm, 103 duro, v5 sidecut.

I enjoyed the OJ's and really liked the shape. At 101 duro, however, they felt somewhat chalky, chirped a lot on concrete transition, and rattled my feet on rough surfaces. Good slide and good speed overall though.  By comparison, the spitfire F4 101 duro felt much softer/engaging and more comfortable on all surfaces.  The easy streets 99 duro  felt super plush and forgiving rolling around on the street, but are a bit grabby and require more push to break loose and slide (powerslides and ledge tricks). I am currently running the Bones STF 55mm, 103 duro v5 sidecut. This is my favorite wheel shape so far. The wheel is very fast on concrete transition, but has good controllable slide-ability.

These are just my observations.  I am sure something in this thread will eventually make me question everything and jump down another rabbit hole in search of the next best thing...which reminds me, I've got a set of 99 duro f4 classics waiting in the wings to try next...the madness never ends.

Get the pig high tech wheel lol. I want to Herat reviews about them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 03, 2020, 08:00:25 PM
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Anyone skate OJ Elites? If so how are they compared to STF or F4?
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I've skated OJ Elite 55mm, 101 duro (https://www.tactics.com/oj/winkowski-trash-panda-elite-universals-skateboard-wheels/blue-101a), Spitfire F4 Conical full 54mm, 101 duro (https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels/white-101d), Bones Easy Streets 54mm, 99 duro, v5 sidecut, and Bones STF 55mm, 103 duro, v5 sidecut.

I enjoyed the OJ's and really liked the shape. At 101 duro, however, they felt somewhat chalky, chirped a lot on concrete transition, and rattled my feet on rough surfaces. Good slide and good speed overall though.  By comparison, the spitfire F4 101 duro felt much softer/engaging and more comfortable on all surfaces.  The easy streets 99 duro  felt super plush and forgiving rolling around on the street, but are a bit grabby and require more push to break loose and slide (powerslides and ledge tricks). I am currently running the Bones STF 55mm, 103 duro v5 sidecut. This is my favorite wheel shape so far. The wheel is very fast on concrete transition, but has good controllable slide-ability.

These are just my observations.  I am sure something in this thread will eventually make me question everything and jump down another rabbit hole in search of the next best thing...which reminds me, I've got a set of 99 duro f4 classics waiting in the wings to try next...the madness never ends.

Sounds great, I don't mind the chalky feeling

V5s are one of the best shapes out did you skate your OJs in the Hardline shape?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 04, 2020, 06:46:20 AM
Anyone have experience riding a skinny wheel? Like a Bones V3? How does it compare with a V1?
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Post by: Xen on March 04, 2020, 06:49:40 AM
Anyone have experience riding a skinny wheel? Like a Bones V3? How does it compare with a V1?

I've a post in this thread that directly compares V1/V3/Radial Slims, go back a few pages.

Damn near the same contact patch width on similar mm wheels (v1/v3) the major difference is the cut; V1s are wider than V3s and the V1 is a rounder cut. Prefer V3>v5>V1
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Post by: rocklobster on March 04, 2020, 07:08:21 AM
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Anyone have experience riding a skinny wheel? Like a Bones V3? How does it compare with a V1?
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I've a post in this thread that directly compares V1/V3/Radial Slims, go back a few pages.

Damn near the same contact patch width on similar mm wheels (v1/v3) the major difference is the cut; V1s are wider than V3s and the V1 is a rounder cut. Prefer V3>v5>V1

My bad man, I forgot you posted that entire box of wheels.

You mentioned in another thread you were looking to sell some Ventures, are you still looking to sell them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on March 04, 2020, 08:58:40 AM
Anyone ever ride Speedlab wheels? They came out with a Jason Adams wheel that I like, but I don't know how the wheels perform.

They use Creative Urethane for a lot of their wheels so if you've ever skated a wheel from like Jivaro, Portland Wheel Company, Orbs, older Autobahn etc... then that should give you an idea. CU wheels are really good, not quite as good as F4 but they're not too far behind. If you want to try the same size/duro from them then you can get them for $12

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboard-wheels-set-54mm-x-33mm-99a-pink-white-swirl/

Here's a similar one but 97a

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboard-wheels-set-54mm-x-34mm-97a-black-white-swirl/

They did have the black/yellow that Speedlab sells as their exposure model but it looks like its sold out. They also have some more traditional size/shape CU blanks, look for the ones that say "USA made".

I have both of the swirls I linked and they're quite good. The 97a black and white look really cool when they're spinning and are a nice winter ride when there's a lot of salt on the streets. I haven't skated the 99a as much but they're basically the same thing except a little harder. Definitely high quality urethane and a really nice conical shape very similar to a SF conical full. They don't slide as well as an F4 (or a 99a STF for that matter) but the slide is still pretty good. Definitely recommend them if you're not a wheel color purist, they're pretty much unbeatable in terms of bang for your buck. 

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MxsDx on March 04, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
Sounds great, I don't mind the chalky feeling

V5s are one of the best shapes out did you skate your OJs in the Hardline shape?
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Yeah man. The hard line shape is great. You can see my shape preferences based on the hardline and v5 side cut. Given that, I am curious to see how I feel about the 55mm spitfire f4 classics shape. No hurry to jump off the v5's anytime soon though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
Sounds great, I don't mind the chalky feeling

V5s are one of the best shapes out did you skate your OJs in the Hardline shape?

Yeah man. The hard line shape is great. You can see my shape preferences based on the hardline and v5 side cut. Given that, I am curious to see how I feel about the 55mm spitfire f4 classics shape. No hurry to jump off the v5's anytime soon though.
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Love that shape, if you were trying spits and wanted that shape, Conicals would have been your best bet. The OJs look Wide AF tho...usually I'm not a fan of wide wheels; 52mm Bones V5s/Spit Radial Slims is as wide as choose to go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on March 04, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VXydCBH-F/?igshid=10y2kscp4jpdt

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VVsQwpV4f/?igshid=gas7bhbrsz0l
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 04, 2020, 07:10:32 PM
Dual Duro Torus you say?

(Note to AB...take shots without bubble pits in view....)

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9SorSPFrRS/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JB77 on March 04, 2020, 08:57:26 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VXydCBH-F/?igshid=10y2kscp4jpdt

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VVsQwpV4f/?igshid=gas7bhbrsz0l

Whoa! Mind blowing. Interested in trying these out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 05, 2020, 07:10:46 AM
Need help identifying this wheel brand:

(https://i.imgur.com/QY0CJFZl.jpg?1)

All I know so far is that it is European, 52mm, 99a and probably a slim wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on March 05, 2020, 08:48:13 AM
Dual Duro Torus you say?

(Note to AB...take shots without bubble pits in view....)

What's worse is that the wheels are 83B not 83A. Imagine buying these and thinking they were cruiser wheels that slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 05, 2020, 09:34:29 AM
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Dual Duro Torus you say?

(Note to AB...take shots without bubble pits in view....)

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What's worse is that the wheels are 83B not 83A. Imagine buying these and thinking they were cruiser wheels that slide.
lol I had to do a triple take on that detail.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 05, 2020, 11:45:17 AM
Need help identifying this wheel brand:

(https://i.imgur.com/QY0CJFZl.jpg?1)

All I know so far is that it is European, 52mm, 99a and probably a slim wheel.

These remind me of square wheels. But that company doesn't exist anymore. William Phan skated for them.

https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g (https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g) also any reason to post this.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 05, 2020, 06:09:34 PM
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Need help identifying this wheel brand:

(https://i.imgur.com/QY0CJFZl.jpg?1)

All I know so far is that it is European, 52mm, 99a and probably a slim wheel.
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These remind me of square wheels. But that company doesn't exist anymore. William Phan skated for them.

https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g (https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g) also any reason to post this.

That's probably it, I knew the logo looked vaguely familiar, likes it was around the Lordz (Flo Marfang, Alex Carolino, William Phan) era. Would make sense since most of the setup looks Euro.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on March 05, 2020, 06:13:04 PM
I wish I knew where my copy of that video was. It's not an original copy but a DVD dub that came with a unicron order if I'm not mistaken. I miss you unicron.net.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 05, 2020, 07:22:12 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9XkjUylopK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Post by: munchbox on March 05, 2020, 07:25:17 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9XkjUylopK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
kinda embarrassed to say this but the wheel graphic might get me to try these
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 05, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
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kinda embarrassed to say this but the wheel graphic might get me to try these

Always been an AB fan, especially the dual duros. The ABS (back in the day) was real grippy.  I'm after the Torus Dual Duro tho.  Not for sale anywhere yet tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: therealstreetpirate on March 05, 2020, 10:30:40 PM
Why do old spitfires feel so damn good?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on March 05, 2020, 11:33:37 PM
https://fullcircledistribution.com/collections/wheels?page=3
Madrid is Autobahn's new distro?


Miles wheel covers look like a prank waiting to happen. Try powersliding my new wheels. Bomb this hill..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 05, 2020, 11:38:31 PM
https://fullcircledistribution.com/collections/wheels?page=3
Madrid is Autobahn's new distro?


Miles wheel covers look like a prank waiting to happen. Try powersliding my new wheels. Bomb this hill..

Those Dual Ultra wheels look skinny and sexy. Local shop sells them but I struggle bringing myself to buy wheels at $55.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 05, 2020, 11:47:05 PM
https://fullcircledistribution.com/collections/wheels?page=3
Madrid is Autobahn's new distro?


Miles wheel covers look like a prank waiting to happen. Try powersliding my new wheels. Bomb this hill..

All those wheels are old stock.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 06, 2020, 09:41:37 AM
Why do old spitfires feel so damn good?
What is old for you?
Remember the F1 were crap
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 06, 2020, 10:53:50 AM
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Need help identifying this wheel brand:

(https://i.imgur.com/QY0CJFZl.jpg?1)

All I know so far is that it is European, 52mm, 99a and probably a slim wheel.
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These remind me of square wheels. But that company doesn't exist anymore. William Phan skated for them.

https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g (https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g) also any reason to post this.
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That's probably it, I knew the logo looked vaguely familiar, likes it was around the Lordz (Flo Marfang, Alex Carolino, William Phan) era. Would make sense since most of the setup looks Euro.

There was another company that used that "# logo" but I can't remember. When I find time I will dig through old magazines. You have a picture from that complete set-up?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 06, 2020, 11:11:51 AM
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Need help identifying this wheel brand:

(https://i.imgur.com/QY0CJFZl.jpg?1)

All I know so far is that it is European, 52mm, 99a and probably a slim wheel.
[close]

These remind me of square wheels. But that company doesn't exist anymore. William Phan skated for them.

https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g (https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g) also any reason to post this.
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That's probably it, I knew the logo looked vaguely familiar, likes it was around the Lordz (Flo Marfang, Alex Carolino, William Phan) era. Would make sense since most of the setup looks Euro.
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There was another company that used that "# logo" but I can't remember. When I find time I will dig through old magazines. You have a picture from that complete set-up?
Can only thing about Alphanumeric
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 06, 2020, 06:02:14 PM
Riding 54mm conicals F4 99a wearing vulcs on my city streets my knees wanted to die today in 40° weather. I dunno, need to visit more smooth parks or something and keep it on that board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 07, 2020, 04:46:46 AM
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Need help identifying this wheel brand:

(https://i.imgur.com/QY0CJFZl.jpg?1)

All I know so far is that it is European, 52mm, 99a and probably a slim wheel.
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These remind me of square wheels. But that company doesn't exist anymore. William Phan skated for them.

https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g (https://youtu.be/ABCXnQNE_0g) also any reason to post this.
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That's probably it, I knew the logo looked vaguely familiar, likes it was around the Lordz (Flo Marfang, Alex Carolino, William Phan) era. Would make sense since most of the setup looks Euro.
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There was another company that used that "# logo" but I can't remember. When I find time I will dig through old magazines. You have a picture from that complete set-up?
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Can only thing about Alphanumeric

And they didn't do hardgoods either. Well, the wheels are 52mm, 99a and skinny, keen to see how they roll tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on March 08, 2020, 06:05:30 AM
I bought some OJ’s for the first time ever, 58mm Elites Mini Combos. They say 101a, but feel less slippery than a Spitfire or Bones. They’re hard but require a bit more effort to slide. Maybe because they’re super wide? Still a nice loud chirp. I like the shape, too. One side is conical and the other side is slightly more rounded for slappies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ItsNoUse on March 09, 2020, 07:51:23 PM
I bought some OJ’s for the first time ever, 58mm Elites Mini Combos. They say 101a, but feel less slippery than a Spitfire or Bones. They’re hard but require a bit more effort to slide. Maybe because they’re super wide? Still a nice loud chirp. I like the shape, too. One side is conical and the other side is slightly more rounded for slappies.


Could you run them with the graphic faced in? I realize it might not be beneficial but was always curious.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on March 09, 2020, 11:08:56 PM
seconded. are conical wheels meant to be rode graphics out? are there even pros/cons for that?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 10, 2020, 07:30:04 AM
seconded. are conical wheels meant to be rode graphics out? are there even pros/cons for that?
Conicals are symmetrical, unlike lock ins, so I don't think that there is any cons about where the graphic is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on March 10, 2020, 08:55:11 AM
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I bought some OJ’s for the first time ever, 58mm Elites Mini Combos. They say 101a, but feel less slippery than a Spitfire or Bones. They’re hard but require a bit more effort to slide. Maybe because they’re super wide? Still a nice loud chirp. I like the shape, too. One side is conical and the other side is slightly more rounded for slappies.
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Could you run them with the graphic faced in? I realize it might not be beneficial but was always curious.

The main graphic side is the conical side. The side that is mostly blank with just the Elites logo on it is the slightly rounded side. I suppose you could do whatever you’d like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on March 10, 2020, 09:04:30 AM
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kinda embarrassed to say this but the wheel graphic might get me to try these
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Always been an AB fan, especially the dual duros. The ABS (back in the day) was real grippy.  I'm after the Torus Dual Duro tho.  Not for sale anywhere yet tho.

I remember running Dual Duros back in the day and really enjoying them. I'll probably pick up another set once they become more readily available.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on March 11, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
Reminds me of of the wheels darkstar was doing for a while. I liked them.
(https://i.ibb.co/2WVDgTz/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on March 11, 2020, 09:18:14 AM
There an instagram account where this dude makes his own skate wheels. I saw something interesting, He was measuring duros on a bunch of wheels and he did a 60mm classic Full which came out to be 97d. I don't know much about the scales but it makes me wonder what duro spitfires really are. His name is @skatewheel_maker
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on March 11, 2020, 09:30:54 AM
There an instagram account where this dude makes his own skate wheels. I saw something interesting, He was measuring duros on a bunch of wheels and he did a 60mm classic Full which came out to be 97d. I don't know much about the scales but it makes me wonder what duro spitfires really are. His name is @skatewheel_maker
I think he uses the A range
And I thought F4's felt a lil soft. Finally got to try some

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SbOuJFLcu/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on March 11, 2020, 10:30:43 AM
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There an instagram account where this dude makes his own skate wheels. I saw something interesting, He was measuring duros on a bunch of wheels and he did a 60mm classic Full which came out to be 97d. I don't know much about the scales but it makes me wonder what duro spitfires really are. His name is @skatewheel_maker
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I think he uses the A range
And I thought F4's felt a lil soft. Finally got to try some

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8SbOuJFLcu/
well on their website they just say Duro which is D scale? So does that mean 99's are really 97?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on March 11, 2020, 10:43:20 AM
well on their website they just say Duro which is D scale? So does that mean 99's are really 97?

The A scale only goes up to 100.  Testing it is inaccurate over about 95a.  Skate wheels really shouldn't be measured in the A scale because of this - but that's what we are accustomed to.  101a, 103a, 104a...  all marketing terms because they are not measurable on the A scale.   

The tester indents the wheel, and the measurement dependins how far it goes in. At 100, it doesn't go in.   Above 95, it goes in such a small amount that it isn't really accurate.

This guy tested it and it came to 97A, but...  that may or may not be accurate, and doesn't really correlate to other wheels that may be marketed as 97A.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on March 11, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
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well on their website they just say Duro which is D scale? So does that mean 99's are really 97?
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The A scale only goes up to 100.  Testing it is inaccurate over about 95a.  Skate wheels really shouldn't be measured in the A scale because of this - but that's what we are accustomed to.  101a, 103a, 104a...  all marketing terms because they are not measurable on the A scale.   

The tester indents the wheel, and the measurement dependins how far it goes in. At 100, it doesn't go in.   Above 95, it goes in such a small amount that it isn't really accurate.

This guy tested it and it came to 97A, but...  that may or may not be accurate, and doesn't really correlate to other wheels that may be marketed as 97A.
Ok, well im confused, so basically we could never tell what they actually are but due to marketing hype they are harder than other wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 11, 2020, 11:10:41 AM
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well on their website they just say Duro which is D scale? So does that mean 99's are really 97?
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The A scale only goes up to 100.  Testing it is inaccurate over about 95a.  Skate wheels really shouldn't be measured in the A scale because of this - but that's what we are accustomed to.  101a, 103a, 104a...  all marketing terms because they are not measurable on the A scale.   

The tester indents the wheel, and the measurement dependins how far it goes in. At 100, it doesn't go in.   Above 95, it goes in such a small amount that it isn't really accurate.

This guy tested it and it came to 97A, but...  that may or may not be accurate, and doesn't really correlate to other wheels that may be marketed as 97A.
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Ok, well im confused, so basically we could never tell what they actually are but due to marketing hype they are harder than other wheels?

Unless you get a set from a brand that uses the B scale (Bones, etc), then yes. A scale is used for marketing because it's what everyone knows.

Durometer doesn't matter too much when it comes to hard wheels imo, it's about the formula. It's why Spitfire Classics 99a ride differently than Spitfire F4 99a, and Spitfire F4 99a ride differently than Bones STF 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on March 11, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
That durometer tester should still be accurate at the ends of its scale, to 99a. 101+ would all read as 100a
It's not gonna be like a cheap bathroom scale and read all wonky at the ends of its range.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shore_durometer
C scale seems like it'd be better for comparing to A
97d seems like it'd be insanely hard. 180-190a?

https://skateboarding.transworld.net/news/comparative-durometers/

https://www.elbex-us.com/sites/default/files/Durometer_0.pdf
https://www.mechanicalrubber.com/elastomericsolutions/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Durometer-Conversion-Table.pdf
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on March 11, 2020, 11:26:51 AM
That durometer tester should still be accurate at the ends of its scale, to 99a. 101+ would all read as 100a
It's not gonna be like a cheap bathroom scale and read all wonky at the ends of its range.


"Hardnesses above 95 on the A scale should not be specified because the upper accuracy limit of the instrument is being approached. Accuracy at the lower end of the D scale is also limiting and values below 25D are questionable."

https://moldeddimensions.com/durometer-hardness.php
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on March 11, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
My father has a durometer and these wheels I got super cheap from TGM that were supposed to be 99a were either 93 or 94 when I checked them. They felt super soft. My f4 99s came up as 98

these are the cheap wheels wayyy off in hardness

(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/06cbc88c-f00f-4148-ae09-5ff34bcfa5bb_1.0952f0ff9df5a34c4fb35c90e0dfc9aa.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=ffffff)

trash. And I figured it was really all similar and just as good as typical wheels with their logo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on March 12, 2020, 05:47:44 AM
Ok so 99 spitfires are actually 97
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on March 12, 2020, 08:51:35 AM
These popped up on my local Craigslist for $10.   I have never seen Slimeball 95a.   Are these fake?  Did they come on a budget board?  Anyone seen something like this?

(https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_i1ay5uxn9cw_1200x900.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 12, 2020, 09:09:25 AM
These popped up on my local Craigslist for $10.   I have never seen Slimeball 95a.   Are these fake?  Did they come on a budget board?  Anyone seen something like this?

(https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_i1ay5uxn9cw_1200x900.jpg)

Most likely came from a Santa Cruz prebuilt
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on March 12, 2020, 09:51:22 AM

Most likely came from a Santa Cruz prebuilt

 
Looks like a $79 zumiez complete.


(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/pdp_hero/Santa-Cruz-Rippling-7.8%22-Skateboard-Complete-_319943-back-US.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: satan on March 12, 2020, 07:57:00 PM
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That durometer tester should still be accurate at the ends of its scale, to 99a. 101+ would all read as 100a
It's not gonna be like a cheap bathroom scale and read all wonky at the ends of its range.

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"Hardnesses above 95 on the A scale should not be specified because the upper accuracy limit of the instrument is being approached. Accuracy at the lower end of the D scale is also limiting and values below 25D are questionable."

https://moldeddimensions.com/durometer-hardness.php
This was too long winded to get to before last night's skate, rain was coming..
Tbh, I think we're gonna need a materials or chem engr or something to solve this. If only Big Cat would appear..
I know what you're saying and maybe it's back to using a spring for measuring?
Idk. Maybe something to do with bending/denting the urethane vs piercing it like the B scale does?
Seems like just the skin on new vs old wheels might affect things. Even leftover mold release with piercing.
And realistically, if they can't test that duro, then they'd have trouble labeling it for sale. I'm not talking about skate wheels, I mean industrial stuff.

If you're just saying it'd be better to test 99a wheels on a different scale then I agree with you.
I'd prefer C scale cuz it doesn't pierce. But since the load is crazy high it might not work for 70-80a stuff?
A third tier of middle load scales would be nice.
Piercing the material seems like it could be affected by how easily that material tears.


https://www.ptc1.com/Durometer-A-408
Check out specs and look at the force curve graph
To me that says if there's difficulty measuring the extreme ends of the range it's not because of the accuracy of the tester.
I'm thinking issues with the material or even that the math used makes the ends of the range less accurate.

https://www.ptc1.com/DurometerHardnessChart
But here they say to use B scale testers for above 90a, below 20d

https://www.ptc1.com/Durometer-Test-Stands
They can be used handheld.. just pointing out a possible source of error in that insta pic


https://urethaneusa.com/resources/what-is-durometer/
95a industrial urethane


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I got a chance to try F4's and OJ elites?
Old, worn, super-wide conical full F4's felt a lil softer than my classic classics.. Slide was WAY better! Almost shot out on the first one, 2nd one I pushed harder and it got away from me. Was even able to eek out a slow speed bs powerslide. Setup was also super surf so that might have added to it..
Slippery but quiet compared to classic formula. I think it'd take me a few days to get used to them.

Only got to check out the OJ's for a sec. I think they were 101a hardline elite whatever.
Hard, harder than classics but not crazy jarring old F1 101a. Seemed pretty fast.
Slid nice.. Lil bit of a bark, more controlled than F4's above. Broke into a slide more easily than classics.

Classics..
Wow. Grippy compared to more modern formulas. I'm liking them again since the weather warmed up.
Below 50*f they start getting too grippy, 40*f they bark like a goose. But I'm over skating in weather that cold.

How do you guys with multiple setups deal with riding F4's and Classic formulas? Seems like it'd be tough to go back and forth.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on March 13, 2020, 06:05:36 AM
What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on March 13, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
Radial slims or classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on March 13, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels

I'm towards the end of my v2s and got the f4 tablets for my next wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 13, 2020, 11:53:20 AM


How do you guys with multiple setups deal with riding F4's and Classic formulas? Seems like it'd be tough to go back and forth.

Classic for indoor and slippery winter spots. F4s any time else. Takes a session or two to adjust. Really like the classics, they are just a little slower and wear faster than F4s otherwise I'd be on them full time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on March 13, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
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What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
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Radial slims or classics.


I usually run classics. They do the job fine, just looking to switch it up. Have yet to try radial slims but they do look like close to what I'm thinking about.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on March 14, 2020, 10:27:01 AM
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Just got a set of F4 Lock ins in the mail and one wheel has a bubble. Very similar to those garage wheels.

Should I make a fuss?  :-\
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(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/89841438_227888658255139_3392757059823861760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=x0ySbGh0Xn8AX8g43bN&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=aa32ae6dedabce448a49b69166f741a5&oe=5E9483DB)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sadnocomply on March 14, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
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Just got a set of F4 Lock ins in the mail and one wheel has a bubble. Very similar to those garage wheels.

Should I make a fuss?  :-\
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(https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/89841438_227888658255139_3392757059823861760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=b96e70&_nc_ohc=x0ySbGh0Xn8AX8g43bN&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=aa32ae6dedabce448a49b69166f741a5&oe=5E9483DB)
skate it for a week and don’t look back. That’s nothing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IanBZHD on March 14, 2020, 11:42:06 AM
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That durometer tester should still be accurate at the ends of its scale, to 99a. 101+ would all read as 100a
It's not gonna be like a cheap bathroom scale and read all wonky at the ends of its range.

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"Hardnesses above 95 on the A scale should not be specified because the upper accuracy limit of the instrument is being approached. Accuracy at the lower end of the D scale is also limiting and values below 25D are questionable."

https://moldeddimensions.com/durometer-hardness.php
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This was too long winded to get to before last night's skate, rain was coming..
Tbh, I think we're gonna need a materials or chem engr or something to solve this. If only Big Cat would appear..
I know what you're saying and maybe it's back to using a spring for measuring?
Idk. Maybe something to do with bending/denting the urethane vs piercing it like the B scale does?
Seems like just the skin on new vs old wheels might affect things. Even leftover mold release with piercing.
And realistically, if they can't test that duro, then they'd have trouble labeling it for sale. I'm not talking about skate wheels, I mean industrial stuff.

If you're just saying it'd be better to test 99a wheels on a different scale then I agree with you.
I'd prefer C scale cuz it doesn't pierce. But since the load is crazy high it might not work for 70-80a stuff?
A third tier of middle load scales would be nice.
Piercing the material seems like it could be affected by how easily that material tears.


https://www.ptc1.com/Durometer-A-408
Check out specs and look at the force curve graph
To me that says if there's difficulty measuring the extreme ends of the range it's not because of the accuracy of the tester.
I'm thinking issues with the material or even that the math used makes the ends of the range less accurate.

https://www.ptc1.com/DurometerHardnessChart
But here they say to use B scale testers for above 90a, below 20d

https://www.ptc1.com/Durometer-Test-Stands
They can be used handheld.. just pointing out a possible source of error in that insta pic


https://urethaneusa.com/resources/what-is-durometer/
95a industrial urethane


**edit
I got a chance to try F4's and OJ elites?
Old, worn, super-wide conical full F4's felt a lil softer than my classic classics.. Slide was WAY better! Almost shot out on the first one, 2nd one I pushed harder and it got away from me. Was even able to eek out a slow speed bs powerslide. Setup was also super surf so that might have added to it..
Slippery but quiet compared to classic formula. I think it'd take me a few days to get used to them.

Only got to check out the OJ's for a sec. I think they were 101a hardline elite whatever.
Hard, harder than classics but not crazy jarring old F1 101a. Seemed pretty fast.
Slid nice.. Lil bit of a bark, more controlled than F4's above. Broke into a slide more easily than classics.

Classics..
Wow. Grippy compared to more modern formulas. I'm liking them again since the weather warmed up.
Below 50*f they start getting too grippy, 40*f they bark like a goose. But I'm over skating in weather that cold.

How do you guys with multiple setups deal with riding F4's and Classic formulas? Seems like it'd be tough to go back and forth.
I did some hardness testing in engineering school. Without really reading back into it, I couldn't give a great explaination to why some companies list their wheels at different durometers. I'm sure it just has to do with whoever their actual wheel supplier is or if their pouring their own, and even then the compounds could just just be mixed to cure at a certain durometer.
For the scales, there are just different scales created to test different materials. A Rockwell hardness test is the usual one everybody mentions. This leaves a divit in the material and measures how far the instrument penetrates into it.

If your interested in the mathematics behind it, and how other scales compare to eachother check this:
https://web.calce.umd.edu/TSFA/Hardness_ad_.htm

(https://www.smooth-on.com/pw/site/assets/files/30090/durometerchart.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Joe Davola on March 14, 2020, 11:57:54 AM
I’m done denying myself the joy of having colored wheels. God I love them. Not even drunk right now.
Shit. I might just have to get a set with four different colors.
Spitfire swirls are looking good right now, too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on March 14, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
I’m done denying myself the joy of having colored wheels. God I love them. Not even drunk right now.
Shit. I might just have to get a set with four different colors.
Spitfire swirls are looking good right now, too.

Welcome to the dark side. Might I interest you in a set of glow in the dark F4 swirls? Wait..perhaps you're not ready for that yet. Let's start small, ease you into it nice and gently.

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboards-longboard/skateboards/wheels/?search_query=&page=1&limit=60&sort=newest&brand=252&category=35&is_category_page=1

Those $12-17 ones are from Creative urethanes. The black and white conicals seem to be mispours of these orbs wheels (https://www.tactics.com/orbs/apparitions-skateboard-wheels/black-white-split-99a). The pink and blue are mispoured slimeballs I believe. Not sure about the pink 56mm but maybe speedlab? No clue on the pink/white ones 54's but I have a set and really like them. The black/white orbs ones look really cool when they're spinning too. 

I appreciate a nice clean black grip/bright white wheel graphics in setup as much as anyone that skated in the late 90s but I'm not really picky about it anymore. I care about the color of the wheel a lot less than I care about the price and quality of the urethane nowadays. I don't really agree with the idea that everyone should ride the same setups with the same components and anyone who does differently is a kook. This shit is supposed to be about individual creativity and freedom, so go on and express yo self homie.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: secondhandstoke on March 14, 2020, 01:10:35 PM
I’m done denying myself the joy of having colored wheels. God I love them. Not even drunk right now.
Shit. I might just have to get a set with four different colors.
Spitfire swirls are looking good right now, too.


samesies!!!  spitfire swirls are dope!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on March 15, 2020, 01:02:44 PM
Worst flatspot of my life on spitfire swirls, but that was like 2001. It looked like a belt sander was taken to it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on March 15, 2020, 01:19:49 PM
will i feel a big difference going from acid chem 56/86 to 55/78 super juice? been watching a lot of OJ's Cruisin' videos...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 15, 2020, 01:38:04 PM
will i feel a big difference going from acid chem 56/86 to 55/78 super juice? been watching a lot of OJ's Cruisin' videos...

Yeah, will feel different because of the shape and duro. Mini juice will feel smoother and roll over crustier stuff but less versatile for tricks. Pretty easy to adjust to though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lysdexia on March 15, 2020, 04:48:33 PM
What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels

f4 radial slims all day
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 15, 2020, 05:38:03 PM
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I’m done denying myself the joy of having colored wheels. God I love them. Not even drunk right now.
Shit. I might just have to get a set with four different colors.
Spitfire swirls are looking good right now, too.
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Welcome to the dark side. Might I interest you in a set of glow in the dark F4 swirls? Wait..perhaps you're not ready for that yet. Let's start small, ease you into it nice and gently.

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboards-longboard/skateboards/wheels/?search_query=&page=1&limit=60&sort=newest&brand=252&category=35&is_category_page=1

Those $12-17 ones are from Creative urethanes. The black and white conicals seem to be mispours of these orbs wheels (https://www.tactics.com/orbs/apparitions-skateboard-wheels/black-white-split-99a). The pink and blue are mispoured slimeballs I believe. Not sure about the pink 56mm but maybe speedlab? No clue on the pink/white ones 54's but I have a set and really like them. The black/white orbs ones look really cool when they're spinning too. 

I appreciate a nice clean black grip/bright white wheel graphics in setup as much as anyone that skated in the late 90s but I'm not really picky about it anymore. I care about the color of the wheel a lot less than I care about the price and quality of the urethane nowadays. I don't really agree with the idea that everyone should ride the same setups with the same components and anyone who does differently is a kook. This shit is supposed to be about individual creativity and freedom, so go on and express yo self homie.   
so those black white swirl aren’t conical full shaped as tgm says? The orbs on tactics say 16mm riding surface. Or your theory is theyre  just a mispour in the wrong shape? Tgm also says 97a whereas orbs 99a in tactics. Just curious
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on March 15, 2020, 05:40:59 PM
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Just got a set of F4 Lock ins in the mail and one wheel has a bubble. Very similar to those garage wheels.

Should I make a fuss?  :-\
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skate it for a week and don’t look back. That’s nothing

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: legion on March 16, 2020, 02:03:41 AM
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That durometer tester should still be accurate at the ends of its scale, to 99a. 101+ would all read as 100a
It's not gonna be like a cheap bathroom scale and read all wonky at the ends of its range.

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"Hardnesses above 95 on the A scale should not be specified because the upper accuracy limit of the instrument is being approached. Accuracy at the lower end of the D scale is also limiting and values below 25D are questionable."

https://moldeddimensions.com/durometer-hardness.php
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This was too long winded to get to before last night's skate, rain was coming..
Tbh, I think we're gonna need a materials or chem engr or something to solve this. If only Big Cat would appear..
I know what you're saying and maybe it's back to using a spring for measuring?
Idk. Maybe something to do with bending/denting the urethane vs piercing it like the B scale does?
Seems like just the skin on new vs old wheels might affect things. Even leftover mold release with piercing.
And realistically, if they can't test that duro, then they'd have trouble labeling it for sale. I'm not talking about skate wheels, I mean industrial stuff.

If you're just saying it'd be better to test 99a wheels on a different scale then I agree with you.
I'd prefer C scale cuz it doesn't pierce. But since the load is crazy high it might not work for 70-80a stuff?
A third tier of middle load scales would be nice.
Piercing the material seems like it could be affected by how easily that material tears.


https://www.ptc1.com/Durometer-A-408
Check out specs and look at the force curve graph
To me that says if there's difficulty measuring the extreme ends of the range it's not because of the accuracy of the tester.
I'm thinking issues with the material or even that the math used makes the ends of the range less accurate.

https://www.ptc1.com/DurometerHardnessChart
But here they say to use B scale testers for above 90a, below 20d

https://www.ptc1.com/Durometer-Test-Stands
They can be used handheld.. just pointing out a possible source of error in that insta pic


https://urethaneusa.com/resources/what-is-durometer/
95a industrial urethane


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I got a chance to try F4's and OJ elites?
Old, worn, super-wide conical full F4's felt a lil softer than my classic classics.. Slide was WAY better! Almost shot out on the first one, 2nd one I pushed harder and it got away from me. Was even able to eek out a slow speed bs powerslide. Setup was also super surf so that might have added to it..
Slippery but quiet compared to classic formula. I think it'd take me a few days to get used to them.

Only got to check out the OJ's for a sec. I think they were 101a hardline elite whatever.
Hard, harder than classics but not crazy jarring old F1 101a. Seemed pretty fast.
Slid nice.. Lil bit of a bark, more controlled than F4's above. Broke into a slide more easily than classics.

Classics..
Wow. Grippy compared to more modern formulas. I'm liking them again since the weather warmed up.
Below 50*f they start getting too grippy, 40*f they bark like a goose. But I'm over skating in weather that cold.

How do you guys with multiple setups deal with riding F4's and Classic formulas? Seems like it'd be tough to go back and forth.
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I did some hardness testing in engineering school. Without really reading back into it, I couldn't give a great explaination to why some companies list their wheels at different durometers. I'm sure it just has to do with whoever their actual wheel supplier is or if their pouring their own, and even then the compounds could just just be mixed to cure at a certain durometer.
For the scales, there are just different scales created to test different materials. A Rockwell hardness test is the usual one everybody mentions. This leaves a divit in the material and measures how far the instrument penetrates into it.

If your interested in the mathematics behind it, and how other scales compare to eachother check this:
https://web.calce.umd.edu/TSFA/Hardness_ad_.htm

(https://www.smooth-on.com/pw/site/assets/files/30090/durometerchart.png)
Ooh! Does slap have a resident ME? Please say yes.. I'm a burnout so it'd be great to have your help with some of this geeky stuff. And maybe we can lure THE Big Cat over here!

The different durometer thing is cuz wheels went past 99-100a hardness. 101a, 103a, 104a, etc doesn't/shouldn't exist.
The A scale was great for 70's wheels, 70-85a duro? I can't remember the first 99a wheel I saw (maybe Gizmo's?) but I think 97a might have been the hardest duro for most of the 80's.
101a reads like 100a on the tester, no indentation of the wheel, so they moved to the next scale, B.
My gripe is B uses a point vs blunt indenter. Seems like you could be tearing the material but idk..
D scale seems to only be used for plastic cores? Did Darkstar (or other AEND companies) ever use this scale? Idr
I never really see the C scale used for anything. Maybe for composites?

I'm used to seeing Rockwell and Brinell hardness testing for metal but don't recall seeing it used for urethane. Thanks for that link, was interesting, but I didn't see math for durometers. I imagine it's just linear, and inverse? 0 indentation = 100a, full indentation = 0a. But how do you do that when you can only really measure 1a and 99a? I feel like I'm having a stoner moment..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on March 16, 2020, 04:29:46 AM
Boardy Cakes goes from small to tiny with their latest wheels - 39mm but with a wider riding surface than the 42mms, I know I want a set :)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9xFZQelDjs/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 16, 2020, 06:49:45 AM
I've got PTSD from having to ride wheels that small. Glad the option is there for those of you who want it but never again for me...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 16, 2020, 07:27:03 AM
What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels

I wouldn't call radial slim "slim" IMO. they have a slimmer contact patch, but the overall wheel profile is avg.
I've found that crupie makes the slimmest wheels on the market (28mm). but I flatspotted the fuck out of the 101a's.
You can get them for cheap, from concrete visionary (their distro) but they've sent me the wrong shit before, and have decided to stop adding widths to their product descriptions

I got both the bones STF v3 slims 52mm(29mm) and 54mm(30). I think they feel slimmer the v2s, but looking at the stats, they are the same. It makes me wonder why these are advertised as slim.

tactics are usually put widths in the descriptions for research
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 16, 2020, 08:27:39 AM
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What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
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I wouldn't call radial slim "slim" IMO. they have a slimmer contact patch, but the overall wheel profile is avg.
I've found that crupie makes the slimmest wheels on the market (28mm). but I flatspotted the fuck out of the 101a's.
You can get them for cheap, from concrete visionary (their distro) but they've sent me the wrong shit before, and have decided to stop adding widths to their product descriptions

I got both the bones STF v3 slims 52mm(29mm) and 54mm(30). I think they feel slimmer the v2s, but looking at the stats, they are the same. It makes me wonder why these are advertised as slim.

tactics are usually put widths in the descriptions for research

Bones V3 - 52 x 29 x 15 - 197g
Bones V2 - 52 x 29 x 18 - 209g
Bones V5 - 52 x 30 x 14.5 - 213g
Bones V1 - 52 x 31 x 17.5, 218g
Bones V4 - 52 x 32 x 17, 240

Didn't realize the V3 and V5 were pretty comparable in width and even had a smaller contact patch. I guess the additional 16g of weigh makes the wheel feel thicker than it actually is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 18, 2020, 07:06:09 AM
Back to classics, tablets were ok but the look bothers me
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2020, 07:25:32 AM
took the swirl graphic off?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on March 18, 2020, 07:50:25 AM
took the swirl graphic off?
Bottom pic is the blank side of the tablets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2020, 08:05:37 AM
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took the swirl graphic off?
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Bottom pic is the blank side of the tablets
👍👍 makes sense now.. shape differences
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 18, 2020, 08:21:07 AM
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took the swirl graphic off?
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Bottom pic is the blank side of the tablets
Exactly, so you can tell how hideous they are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on March 18, 2020, 08:28:50 AM
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What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
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I wouldn't call radial slim "slim" IMO. they have a slimmer contact patch, but the overall wheel profile is avg.
I've found that crupie makes the slimmest wheels on the market (28mm). but I flatspotted the fuck out of the 101a's.
You can get them for cheap, from concrete visionary (their distro) but they've sent me the wrong shit before, and have decided to stop adding widths to their product descriptions

I got both the bones STF v3 slims 52mm(29mm) and 54mm(30). I think they feel slimmer the v2s, but looking at the stats, they are the same. It makes me wonder why these are advertised as slim.

tactics are usually put widths in the descriptions for research
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Bones V3 - 52 x 29 x 15 - 197g
Bones V2 - 52 x 29 x 18 - 209g
Bones V5 - 52 x 30 x 14.5 - 213g
Bones V1 - 52 x 31 x 17.5, 218g
Bones V4 - 52 x 32 x 17, 240

Didn't realize the V3 and V5 were pretty comparable in width and even had a smaller contact patch. I guess the additional 16g of weigh makes the wheel feel thicker than it actually is.

Damn gnars to you guys. I guess it is a toss up when you do consider the shape/extra material. Now that I look closer at the v3s, they look interesting. Kind of a bit slimmer spit classic shape? Also I saw some of those crupies on sale for like $15 so i am tempted there haha. Hmm. Wish I could just see them all in person. Thanks guys, definitely more to think about.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: legion on March 18, 2020, 08:36:50 AM
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What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
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I wouldn't call radial slim "slim" IMO. they have a slimmer contact patch, but the overall wheel profile is avg.
I've found that crupie makes the slimmest wheels on the market (28mm). but I flatspotted the fuck out of the 101a's.
You can get them for cheap, from concrete visionary (their distro) but they've sent me the wrong shit before, and have decided to stop adding widths to their product descriptions

I got both the bones STF v3 slims 52mm(29mm) and 54mm(30). I think they feel slimmer the v2s, but looking at the stats, they are the same. It makes me wonder why these are advertised as slim.

tactics are usually put widths in the descriptions for research
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Bones V3 - 52 x 29 x 15 - 197g
Bones V2 - 52 x 29 x 18 - 209g
Bones V5 - 52 x 30 x 14.5 - 213g
Bones V1 - 52 x 31 x 17.5, 218g
Bones V4 - 52 x 32 x 17, 240

Didn't realize the V3 and V5 were pretty comparable in width and even had a smaller contact patch. I guess the additional 16g of weigh makes the wheel feel thicker than it actually is.
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Damn gnars to you guys. I guess it is a toss up when you do consider the shape/extra material. Now that I look closer at the v3s, they look interesting. Kind of a bit slimmer spit classic shape? Also I saw some of those crupies on sale for like $15 so i am tempted there haha. Hmm. Wish I could just see them all in person. Thanks guys, definitely more to think about.
Those Bones' weights are for a set of wheels?
When I'm dorking out on trucks weights I usually use 1/2 the listed weight to compare larger wheel sizes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 18, 2020, 09:46:47 AM
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What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
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I wouldn't call radial slim "slim" IMO. they have a slimmer contact patch, but the overall wheel profile is avg.
I've found that crupie makes the slimmest wheels on the market (28mm). but I flatspotted the fuck out of the 101a's.
You can get them for cheap, from concrete visionary (their distro) but they've sent me the wrong shit before, and have decided to stop adding widths to their product descriptions

I got both the bones STF v3 slims 52mm(29mm) and 54mm(30). I think they feel slimmer the v2s, but looking at the stats, they are the same. It makes me wonder why these are advertised as slim.

tactics are usually put widths in the descriptions for research
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Bones V3 - 52 x 29 x 15 - 197g
Bones V2 - 52 x 29 x 18 - 209g
Bones V5 - 52 x 30 x 14.5 - 213g
Bones V1 - 52 x 31 x 17.5, 218g
Bones V4 - 52 x 32 x 17, 240

Didn't realize the V3 and V5 were pretty comparable in width and even had a smaller contact patch. I guess the additional 16g of weigh makes the wheel feel thicker than it actually is.
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Damn gnars to you guys. I guess it is a toss up when you do consider the shape/extra material. Now that I look closer at the v3s, they look interesting. Kind of a bit slimmer spit classic shape? Also I saw some of those crupies on sale for like $15 so i am tempted there haha. Hmm. Wish I could just see them all in person. Thanks guys, definitely more to think about.
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Those Bones' weights are for a set of wheels?
When I'm dorking out on trucks weights I usually use 1/2 the listed weight to compare larger wheel sizes.

Yeah 4 wheels.

I'm hesitant about Crupie wheels, most of the reviews on here say they flatspot easily. The Autobahn slim wheels are super skinny too, provided you can even find them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 18, 2020, 10:59:44 AM
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What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
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I wouldn't call radial slim "slim" IMO. they have a slimmer contact patch, but the overall wheel profile is avg.
I've found that crupie makes the slimmest wheels on the market (28mm). but I flatspotted the fuck out of the 101a's.
You can get them for cheap, from concrete visionary (their distro) but they've sent me the wrong shit before, and have decided to stop adding widths to their product descriptions

I got both the bones STF v3 slims 52mm(29mm) and 54mm(30). I think they feel slimmer the v2s, but looking at the stats, they are the same. It makes me wonder why these are advertised as slim.

tactics are usually put widths in the descriptions for research
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Bones V3 - 52 x 29 x 15 - 197g
Bones V2 - 52 x 29 x 18 - 209g
Bones V5 - 52 x 30 x 14.5 - 213g
Bones V1 - 52 x 31 x 17.5, 218g
Bones V4 - 52 x 32 x 17, 240

Didn't realize the V3 and V5 were pretty comparable in width and even had a smaller contact patch. I guess the additional 16g of weigh makes the wheel feel thicker than it actually is.
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Damn gnars to you guys. I guess it is a toss up when you do consider the shape/extra material. Now that I look closer at the v3s, they look interesting. Kind of a bit slimmer spit classic shape? Also I saw some of those crupies on sale for like $15 so i am tempted there haha. Hmm. Wish I could just see them all in person. Thanks guys, definitely more to think about.
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Those Bones' weights are for a set of wheels?
When I'm dorking out on trucks weights I usually use 1/2 the listed weight to compare larger wheel sizes.
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Yeah 4 wheels.

I'm hesitant about Crupie wheels, most of the reviews on here say they flatspot easily. The Autobahn slim wheels are super skinny too, provided you can even find them.

It's way back in the thread now but I did talk about them. I got them for $12 so to me, that's worth it. No fucking way would I pay full price for these wheels though. While not awful, they just aren't anything to write home about. I'm just waiting for the flat spots to happen so I can retire them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smartass on March 18, 2020, 01:44:54 PM
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What are the best slim wheels or just the slimmest overall decent wheel? I have had stf v2s before and they were pretty skinny which I liked, but I prefer f4s. Maybe even sml or dialtone? Just any ideas for slimmer wheels
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I wouldn't call radial slim "slim" IMO. they have a slimmer contact patch, but the overall wheel profile is avg.
I've found that crupie makes the slimmest wheels on the market (28mm). but I flatspotted the fuck out of the 101a's.
You can get them for cheap, from concrete visionary (their distro) but they've sent me the wrong shit before, and have decided to stop adding widths to their product descriptions

I got both the bones STF v3 slims 52mm(29mm) and 54mm(30). I think they feel slimmer the v2s, but looking at the stats, they are the same. It makes me wonder why these are advertised as slim.

tactics are usually put widths in the descriptions for research
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Bones V3 - 52 x 29 x 15 - 197g
Bones V2 - 52 x 29 x 18 - 209g
Bones V5 - 52 x 30 x 14.5 - 213g
Bones V1 - 52 x 31 x 17.5, 218g
Bones V4 - 52 x 32 x 17, 240

Didn't realize the V3 and V5 were pretty comparable in width and even had a smaller contact patch. I guess the additional 16g of weigh makes the wheel feel thicker than it actually is.
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Damn gnars to you guys. I guess it is a toss up when you do consider the shape/extra material. Now that I look closer at the v3s, they look interesting. Kind of a bit slimmer spit classic shape? Also I saw some of those crupies on sale for like $15 so i am tempted there haha. Hmm. Wish I could just see them all in person. Thanks guys, definitely more to think about.
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Those Bones' weights are for a set of wheels?
When I'm dorking out on trucks weights I usually use 1/2 the listed weight to compare larger wheel sizes.
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Yeah 4 wheels.

I'm hesitant about Crupie wheels, most of the reviews on here say they flatspot easily. The Autobahn slim wheels are super skinny too, provided you can even find them.
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It's way back in the thread now but I did talk about them. I got them for $12 so to me, that's worth it. No fucking way would I pay full price for these wheels though. While not awful, they just aren't anything to write home about. I'm just waiting for the flat spots to happen so I can retire them.


Basically the best way to think about Crupies, get them for the cheap and they're great for their price. Get them at full price, and you'll be wondering why you just didn't get a pair of F4s/STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 01:50:38 PM
Thinking about going down in wheel size for the summer. Not sure why and maybe I’ve had too much time to tho m about it. Normally I’m a 53 guy but I sorta want to try a 51-52
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on March 18, 2020, 02:27:07 PM
Thinking about going down in wheel size for the summer. Not sure why and maybe I’ve had too much time to tho m about it. Normally I’m a 53 guy but I sorta want to try a 51-52
id ride 53s down to the size you want. 52 and below wheels have been a pain in the ass for relatively crusty street and the smaller contact patch is glaring on anything other than skatepark concrete. great if you only ride perfect spots, not practical for an all in one setup imo
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2020, 02:28:41 PM
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Thinking about going down in wheel size for the summer. Not sure why and maybe I’ve had too much time to tho m about it. Normally I’m a 53 guy but I sorta want to try a 51-52
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id ride 53s down to the size you want. 52 and below wheels have been a pain in the ass for relatively crusty street and the smaller contact patch is glaring on anything other than skatepark concrete. great if you only ride perfect spots, not practical for an all in one setup imo
That's what i'd think too. I'm on 54 now and want to go bigger.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 02:32:18 PM
Guess I’m just too bored today. I actually don’t think I’ve ever bought a size other than 53 for my regular board.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 18, 2020, 03:03:22 PM
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Thinking about going down in wheel size for the summer. Not sure why and maybe I’ve had too much time to tho m about it. Normally I’m a 53 guy but I sorta want to try a 51-52
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id ride 53s down to the size you want. 52 and below wheels have been a pain in the ass for relatively crusty street and the smaller contact patch is glaring on anything other than skatepark concrete. great if you only ride perfect spots, not practical for an all in one setup imo

That's the way I like to do it, get 53s whittle them down over time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on March 18, 2020, 05:09:15 PM
Thinking about going down in wheel size for the summer. Not sure why and maybe I’ve had too much time to tho m about it. Normally I’m a 53 guy but I sorta want to try a 51-52

How long do your 53 stay the same size? After a week or two usually you’re already at down a size.
And can you really feel the difference?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on March 18, 2020, 05:25:35 PM
I hope you debating about going down 1mm in wheel size is just poking fun at the madness. But if you’re for real, just ride some crust for a week like jtrpma said.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on March 18, 2020, 05:36:38 PM
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Thinking about going down in wheel size for the summer. Not sure why and maybe I’ve had too much time to tho m about it. Normally I’m a 53 guy but I sorta want to try a 51-52
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How long do your 53 stay the same size? After a week or two usually you’re already at down a size.
And can you really feel the difference?
I get one or two sessions in a week, I’m on a relatively new set of tablets that haven’t seen much action
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 18, 2020, 07:35:16 PM
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Thinking about going down in wheel size for the summer. Not sure why and maybe I’ve had too much time to tho m about it. Normally I’m a 53 guy but I sorta want to try a 51-52
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How long do your 53 stay the same size? After a week or two usually you’re already at down a size.
And can you really feel the difference?

So many factors involved. Smaller wheels def wear at a quicker rate but it really depends on what surface you ride, what tricks you like to do and so on....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on March 18, 2020, 07:51:34 PM
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will i feel a big difference going from acid chem 56/86 to 55/78 super juice? been watching a lot of OJ's Cruisin' videos...
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Yeah, will feel different because of the shape and duro. Mini juice will feel smoother and roll over crustier stuff but less versatile for tricks. Pretty easy to adjust to though

thanks dude I got em and definitely feel the difference—very nice
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on March 18, 2020, 08:20:42 PM
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my smooth streets + skatepark wheel is spitfire F4 classic 99a, and has been for years.
been hunting for a wheel that can handle crustier spots, but also not be too soft for the park.
mini logo 90a are almost too bouncy/grippy, to me they're not too different in feel than spitfire chargers 80a
the keyframe 87a are nice on rough spots, but still a bit too soft for the park.
currently on a set of ricta clouds 92a, these are getting me close to a great multi use wheel....
but.... i just got a set of the new mini logo 95a in the 52mm 'a cut' shape. and they are WHITE.
will report back after putting them thru some various scenarios.
fyi.... all wheels i ride, regardless of duro, are 52mm to 54mm.
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95a.. that sounds tempting. please check back in later and tell us how they perform with noseslides and stuff
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took these out a few times over the weekend. these are great on streets around the neighborhood. the roads + sidewalks are not too rough, but def not skatepark smooth. these 95s had enough softness to get around with ease but still slide, pop, flip, and feel and perform close to a 99a.

took them to the park and they were more grippy than 99s of course, but not too bad overall. had to make sure not to over rotate ollies and such on the quarterpipes + hips or i would stick. noseslides not a problem, i'm on indys, so may be a diff story on thunders.

they have treads as new, but think after they break in a bit more will get better slides, and they could make a great ATV wheel. will post pics after some more sessions.

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sounds good, how's the white color? is it fake-plastic-y looking and is that going away with wear? interested in the 87 keyframe 92 cloud 95 mini logo differences
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been pretty cold in the nyc area lately, but got a few rolls in. starting to break these in, feeling great around the neighborhood. still pretty white, but not fake plasticy looking or feeling. they're on an antihero 8.06 w/ indy stage VII, going to take off the 1/8" rubber riser since i had 54mm wheels on this prior.

as far as a true atv wheel, as others have said, not sure it exists. based on my initial feedback above from running these 95a at the park, will def stick with F4 99a classics for smooth parks. i guess this just means i have to run 2 set ups.... park board + street board. both set ups will have same deck width/length/WB specs, both w/ indys + bones bushings + bearings, only diff will be wheel duro. going to swap out the minilogo 95a to the ricta cloud 92a to see if i like those better for neighborhood streets + crusty spots.

today is beautiful, so heading out to roll....

been rolling the streets + avoiding humans. my choice is made. loving the ricta 92a clouds vs. the mini logo 95a.
the rictas are smoother, but not too chunky for shuvs + flips, and not too grippy for full slides w/ speed.

stay safe out there!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 18, 2020, 09:50:37 PM
I retract my previous statement on the crupies. Fuck these wheels. Looked at the ones I barely rode and saw a flat spot. Luckily I have older, wider rictas and a set of pennswood winter tires that someone hooked me up with so I'm not fucked by any means. Really bummed on these crupies though. Mostly because they said something about being specifically flat spot resistant. Just went and spit on my face...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 18, 2020, 11:23:43 PM
I retract my previous statement on the crupies. Fuck these wheels. Looked at the ones I barely rode and saw a flat spot. Luckily I have older, wider rictas and a set of pennswood winter tires that someone hooked me up with so I'm not fucked by any means. Really bummed on these crupies though. Mostly because they said something about being specifically flat spot resistant. Just went and spit on my face...

I like the team - Cerenzini, Sarmentio, Brezinsky but I couldn't bring myself to pay full price for their wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 19, 2020, 11:27:01 AM
I retract my previous statement on the crupies. Fuck these wheels. Looked at the ones I barely rode and saw a flat spot. Luckily I have older, wider rictas and a set of pennswood winter tires that someone hooked me up with so I'm not fucked by any means. Really bummed on these crupies though. Mostly because they said something about being specifically flat spot resistant. Just went and spit on my face...

hey man, flat spot resistant isn't flat spot proof.

I'd love a crupie shape, with better quality.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 19, 2020, 05:25:11 PM
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I retract my previous statement on the crupies. Fuck these wheels. Looked at the ones I barely rode and saw a flat spot. Luckily I have older, wider rictas and a set of pennswood winter tires that someone hooked me up with so I'm not fucked by any means. Really bummed on these crupies though. Mostly because they said something about being specifically flat spot resistant. Just went and spit on my face...
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hey man, flat spot resistant isn't flat spot proof.

I'd love a crupie shape, with better quality.

Should last more than it did though. I don't really slide and I barely skated them. It's whatever though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 20, 2020, 07:35:57 AM
Experimented with a different wheel today - thinner contact patch and width but pretty rounded edges. I was surprised how much harder it was to get a good pinch onto my grinds especially crooked or smith grinds and I was slipping out mid grind. Going from that to a Bones V1 helped tremendously; having a flatter edge really helped secure the truck in. Kind of regret getting a Bones V3 since I think the V2 would have been a better fit for ledge skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 20, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
Experimented with a different wheel today - thinner contact patch and width but pretty rounded edges. I was surprised how much harder it was to get a good pinch onto my grinds especially crooked or smith grinds and I was slipping out mid grind. Going from that to a Bones V1 helped tremendously; having a flatter edge really helped secure the truck in. Kind of regret getting a Bones V3 since I think the V2 would have been a better fit for ledge skating.
Same here. They feel nicer while skating and they are better for flip tricks imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 20, 2020, 09:03:17 AM
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Experimented with a different wheel today - thinner contact patch and width but pretty rounded edges. I was surprised how much harder it was to get a good pinch onto my grinds especially crooked or smith grinds and I was slipping out mid grind. Going from that to a Bones V1 helped tremendously; having a flatter edge really helped secure the truck in. Kind of regret getting a Bones V3 since I think the V2 would have been a better fit for ledge skating.
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Same here. They feel nicer while skating and they are better for flip tricks imo.

Now that you mentioned it the flips did feel a lot lighter especially FS flips. Rolling on asphalt was a nightmare, I was getting caught in every crack.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on March 21, 2020, 06:05:24 PM
Love the way my V2s help into ledge tricks, hoping the tablets perform similar when I cross over.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 21, 2020, 09:58:14 PM
Love the way my V2s help into ledge tricks, hoping the tablets perform similar when I cross over.

Yeah I'm grabbing a pair next month to support a local shop, Easy Streets for that slide. Spitfire urathene and shapes not working for me, they slide great but the rounded edge of Classics was not helping me on pinching those grinds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on March 22, 2020, 08:53:58 AM
Spitfire F4 Classic 52mm 99a have been my park wheel forever....
thinking of changing it up and swapping to tablet or radial slims, will stick with 52/99
what are pros/cons of the tablets vs. radial slims?
hope everyone is safe and sound and still getting out to roll in these deserted streets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 22, 2020, 08:59:27 AM
Spitfire F4 Classic 52mm 99a have been my park wheel forever....
thinking of changing it up and swapping to tablet or radial slims, will stick with 52/99
what are pros/cons of the tablets vs. radial slims?
hope everyone is safe and sound and still getting out to roll in these deserted streets


I think the tablets will be a little easier to ride on shittier ground. The radial slims should be easier to flip and whatnot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 22, 2020, 11:00:21 AM
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Spitfire F4 Classic 52mm 99a have been my park wheel forever....
thinking of changing it up and swapping to tablet or radial slims, will stick with 52/99
what are pros/cons of the tablets vs. radial slims?
hope everyone is safe and sound and still getting out to roll in these deserted streets
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I think the tablets will be a little easier to ride on shittier ground. The radial slims should be easier to flip and whatnot.
^ this
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Tablets have a nicer lock in. If have to choose between tablets and radial slims I would go for Tablets without a doubt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 22, 2020, 11:09:41 AM
Spitfire F4 Classic 52mm 99a have been my park wheel forever....
thinking of changing it up and swapping to tablet or radial slims, will stick with 52/99
what are pros/cons of the tablets vs. radial slims?
hope everyone is safe and sound and still getting out to roll in these deserted streets

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no noticeable difference.

@52MM:

Radial Slim = 30mm width / 18.5mm Contact patch
   Tablets     = 29mm width / 20mm Contact patch

That - 1mm difference in width will NOT help you flip better
That +1.5mm difference in width will NOT see you rolling over shit any smoother

Also, I highly doubt the side cut on either of these would preform any differently for locking in but there could be a slight difference when rolling onto edges....and even then that will last all of a month until they both wear down to the same exact shape with minor width differences (which I assume most people swap to a set freshies right, since that really is the differentiating factor with similar width wheels?).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on March 22, 2020, 10:07:45 PM
anyone actually try Canal wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 23, 2020, 08:58:51 AM
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Spitfire F4 Classic 52mm 99a have been my park wheel forever....
thinking of changing it up and swapping to tablet or radial slims, will stick with 52/99
what are pros/cons of the tablets vs. radial slims?
hope everyone is safe and sound and still getting out to roll in these deserted streets
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I think the tablets will be a little easier to ride on shittier ground. The radial slims should be easier to flip and whatnot.
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^ this
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Tablets have a nicer lock in. If have to choose between tablets and radial slims I would go for Tablets without a doubt.

I was skeptical of this but I agree.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hillbilly shifty on March 23, 2020, 12:15:30 PM
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Spitfire F4 Classic 52mm 99a have been my park wheel forever....
thinking of changing it up and swapping to tablet or radial slims, will stick with 52/99
what are pros/cons of the tablets vs. radial slims?
hope everyone is safe and sound and still getting out to roll in these deserted streets
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I think the tablets will be a little easier to ride on shittier ground. The radial slims should be easier to flip and whatnot.
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^ this
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Tablets have a nicer lock in. If have to choose between tablets and radial slims I would go for Tablets without a doubt.
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I was skeptical of this but I agree.

hey fellers, thanks for the input. you too xen
i'm going with the tablets, although the tablets + radial slims have incredibly similar size specs, the tablets will be the more dramatic shape change from classics. will keep you posted on my tablet experiences....

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: kneebone on March 23, 2020, 12:18:50 PM
recently got some Chocolate wheels and they are some real dogshit.  Feel super slow and they definitely stick a lot more on slides.  Back to spits for me, not sure what I was thinking...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 23, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
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Spitfire F4 Classic 52mm 99a have been my park wheel forever....
thinking of changing it up and swapping to tablet or radial slims, will stick with 52/99
what are pros/cons of the tablets vs. radial slims?
hope everyone is safe and sound and still getting out to roll in these deserted streets
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I think the tablets will be a little easier to ride on shittier ground. The radial slims should be easier to flip and whatnot.
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^ this
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Tablets have a nicer lock in. If have to choose between tablets and radial slims I would go for Tablets without a doubt.
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I was skeptical of this but I agree.
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hey fellers, thanks for the input. you too xen
i'm going with the tablets, although the tablets + radial slims have incredibly similar size specs, the tablets will be the more dramatic shape change from classics. will keep you posted on my tablet experiences....

Let me know how it goes, Radial slims are my go to spits (I can't ride golf ball classics anymore, I just prefer thinner wheels, especially if the contact patch is the same) but I've wanted to try the tabs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 23, 2020, 01:57:38 PM
Similarly wanting to try 55mm Tablets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 23, 2020, 02:31:44 PM
Similarly wanting to try 55mm Tablets
Maybe you could be interested in these pics
55 tablets vs 53 classics:
(https://i.imgur.com/TE06izol.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 23, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
Does any other brands besides ricta make "slick" wheels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on March 23, 2020, 05:27:51 PM
Anyone see the new Hook Ups wheels? They pique my interest but I’m pretty stuck on STF or F4. I’d embed from IG if i knew how.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 23, 2020, 05:38:40 PM
Anyone see the new Hook Ups wheels? They pique my interest but I’m pretty stuck on STF or F4. I’d embed from IG if i knew how.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-FmMPXgvuP/?igshid=hkfzl2fw61fi

Thinking of getting some just for the hell of it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 23, 2020, 05:59:56 PM
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Similarly wanting to try 55mm Tablets
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Maybe you could be interested in these pics
55 tablets vs 53 classics:
(https://i.imgur.com/TE06izol.jpg)

yeah that looks good. Little slimmer than 54mm comical fulls but slightly wider contact patch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 23, 2020, 06:52:48 PM
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Similarly wanting to try 55mm Tablets
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Maybe you could be interested in these pics
55 tablets vs 53 classics:
(https://i.imgur.com/TE06izol.jpg)

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yeah that looks good. Little slimmer than 54mm comical fulls but slightly wider contact patch.
Also:
(https://i.imgur.com/Gj1eM03l.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 24, 2020, 06:50:07 PM
Autobahn with the 83b slims

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-IOu_VlOBs/?igshid=wh1ac7qm77pi
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on March 25, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
Flatspot Resistant? Those wheels have threading!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on March 25, 2020, 01:27:21 PM
what’s the correlation between threads and flatspots?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on March 25, 2020, 01:52:00 PM
what’s the correlation between threads and flatspots?
It makes it way easier to get them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on March 25, 2020, 05:51:58 PM
Yes, new wheels flatspot easier. I've seen many brand new flatspotted stf's, and a couple of f4. Wheels need to be ridden in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 26, 2020, 04:16:10 AM
https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-seu-trinh-succulent-skateboard-wheels-53mm-p18277

Came across these wheels in a 2nd hand setup I got - plastic Core with a 97a exterior. Anyone know how they ride? I'm riding Bones Easy Streets V2 in 53mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on March 26, 2020, 05:16:30 AM
Any suggestions for wheels that are not Spitfire or Bones?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2020, 06:49:34 AM
Any suggestions for wheels that are not Spitfire or Bones?

I really like Loophole wheels and NFGMFG wheels a lot. They are exactly the same wheels just with different graphics printed. First ride, they slide like ice on glass, but start gripping better when they break in a bit. I can’t tell if it’s the temperature, or because I have F4’s on my other set up (which seem to have an unchanging slide), but they seem like they grip too much when they are heavily broken in. The other factor in that could be that the weather has changed pretty drastically over the months when I was riding them (cold, warm, rainy, dry and all combos of those).

They feel great overall though. Roll nice on light crusty streets and feel harder than 99a F4 but different than the 101a F4. Not teeth jarring
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on March 26, 2020, 02:56:12 PM
Flatspots aside, at what point do yall retire a set of wheels? I typically let my 53s get to ≤48mm before feeling the urge to swap out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on March 26, 2020, 09:51:57 PM
Flatspots aside, at what point do yall retire a set of wheels? I typically let my 53s get to ≤48mm before feeling the urge to swap out.
currently on 52s down to about 48 right now. gonna take them down another 4mm before i used them on a big board  tiny wheel setup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 27, 2020, 05:09:43 AM
Flatspots aside, at what point do yall retire a set of wheels? I typically let my 53s get to ≤48mm before feeling the urge to swap out.

When the graphic wears off
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 27, 2020, 06:04:31 AM
54mm conical F4 at a crusty (gravel?) paved school spot w a couple yellow curbs. Felt slow and rough and constantly pushing (with bones reds).

Will going up to 55mm tablets or conical fulls make a noticeable difference? Current 20.2 riding surface versus 23 (55mm tablets) or 25 (56mm conc fulls?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 27, 2020, 07:55:56 AM
54mm conical F4 at a crusty (gravel?) paved school spot w a couple yellow curbs. Felt slow and rough and constantly pushing (with bones reds).

Will going up to 55mm tablets or conical fulls make a noticeable difference? Current 20.2 riding surface versus 23 (55mm tablets) or 25 (56mm conc fulls?


I think softer wheels on gravel spots is what is necessary. Someone hooked me up with pennswood "winter tires." They're cruiser wheels which have been slimmed down with a lathe. I live in PA so we have like the worst roads I've ever been on. Shitty gravel and pot holes and whatnot. Smooth spots aren't really around but these wheels make a lot of shittier spots very rideable.

I think if you're looking at rough spots, somewhat softer wheels are the answer. Just going up a millimeter in wheel size isn't going to help as much.

Also, bones swiss might be a huge help as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 27, 2020, 08:15:45 AM
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54mm conical F4 at a crusty (gravel?) paved school spot w a couple yellow curbs. Felt slow and rough and constantly pushing (with bones reds).

Will going up to 55mm tablets or conical fulls make a noticeable difference? Current 20.2 riding surface versus 23 (55mm tablets) or 25 (56mm conc fulls?
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I think softer wheels on gravel spots is what is necessary. Someone hooked me up with pennswood "winter tires." They're cruiser wheels which have been slimmed down with a lathe. I live in PA so we have like the worst roads I've ever been on. Shitty gravel and pot holes and whatnot. Smooth spots aren't really around but these wheels make a lot of shittier spots very rideable.

I think if you're looking at rough spots, somewhat softer wheels are the answer. Just going up a millimeter in wheel size isn't going to help as much.

Also, bones swiss might be a huge help as well.
these guys? Nice yeah rode 87a keyfrmaes at the same spot and it was a great so that’s what I’m comparing it to.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6jLsdWl-yP/?igshid=1vnyf6g1u6lze
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on March 27, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
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54mm conical F4 at a crusty (gravel?) paved school spot w a couple yellow curbs. Felt slow and rough and constantly pushing (with bones reds).

Will going up to 55mm tablets or conical fulls make a noticeable difference? Current 20.2 riding surface versus 23 (55mm tablets) or 25 (56mm conc fulls?
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I think softer wheels on gravel spots is what is necessary. Someone hooked me up with pennswood "winter tires." They're cruiser wheels which have been slimmed down with a lathe. I live in PA so we have like the worst roads I've ever been on. Shitty gravel and pot holes and whatnot. Smooth spots aren't really around but these wheels make a lot of shittier spots very rideable.

I think if you're looking at rough spots, somewhat softer wheels are the answer. Just going up a millimeter in wheel size isn't going to help as much.

Also, bones swiss might be a huge help as well.
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these guys? Nice yeah rode 87a keyfrmaes at the same spot and it was a great so that’s what I’m comparing it to.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6jLsdWl-yP/?igshid=1vnyf6g1u6lze

Yep, those are the ones. Was gifted some which was super nice and I've been using them ever since. They ride way better than cruisers. Like they skate like regular wheels but are just better in the winter and way better on shitty roads which is basically all of PA, all the time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 08, 2020, 03:36:27 PM
Anybody tried those AWS "Clone" wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 08, 2020, 09:44:29 PM
Anyone try the Oj mini combos? Thinking of trying some out when money frees up again. Liking that they are on the wider side and curious how they compare to F4’s, speed and slide wise
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on April 09, 2020, 01:49:50 PM
Would like some new wheels for my slappy setup.

My lot is very crusty so I need something soft. But I don't want to go OJ hot juice/mini juice soft.

Debating between Ricta clouds, Keyframes and Mini Logo AWOL.

Would like to get bones atf filmers but can't find any locally. Ordering from a local shop is priority.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weedgod94 on April 09, 2020, 01:55:04 PM
Would like some new wheels for my slappy setup.

My lot is very crusty so I need something soft. But I don't want to go OJ hot juice/mini juice soft.

Debating between Ricta clouds, Keyframes and Mini Logo AWOL.

Would like to get bones atf filmers but can't find any locally. Ordering from a local shop is priority.
im almost positive the awols are the same ATF thane
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on April 09, 2020, 02:09:19 PM
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Would like some new wheels for my slappy setup.

My lot is very crusty so I need something soft. But I don't want to go OJ hot juice/mini juice soft.

Debating between Ricta clouds, Keyframes and Mini Logo AWOL.

Would like to get bones atf filmers but can't find any locally. Ordering from a local shop is priority.
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im almost positive the awols are the same ATF thane

hmm that's interesting. Very useful input, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on April 09, 2020, 02:10:14 PM
Bought keyframes. Those seem to get a lot of praise from slap.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on April 09, 2020, 02:16:16 PM
Bought keyframes. Those seem to get a lot of praise from slap.
i like my 54mm a lot. Had em with 169’s. What size you go for?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Seadramon on April 09, 2020, 02:25:45 PM
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Bought keyframes. Those seem to get a lot of praise from slap.
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i like my 54mm a lot. Had em with 169’s. What size you go for?

52mm. Would've preferred 54 but wasn't available.

they'll be going on ace 55's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 09, 2020, 05:21:58 PM
So...I'm stilling having issues with bearings slipping out of my 50mm bones stf v3s. does anybody have a solution for this?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on April 09, 2020, 05:29:11 PM
So...I'm stilling having issues with bearings slipping out of my 50mm bones stf v3s. does anybody have a solution for this?
Did you get the right size bearings?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sneakpeekmeek on April 09, 2020, 06:53:36 PM
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So...I'm stilling having issues with bearings slipping out of my 50mm bones stf v3s. does anybody have a solution for this?
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Did you get the right size bearings?

Super Swiss 6 🤙🏼. Degreased the outside of the bearings and the bearing seats of the wheels, but it still wouldn’t fix the issue.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 09, 2020, 07:28:58 PM
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So...I'm stilling having issues with bearings slipping out of my 50mm bones stf v3s. does anybody have a solution for this?
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Did you get the right size bearings?
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Super Swiss 6 🤙🏼. Degreased the outside of the bearings and the bearing seats of the wheels, but it still wouldn’t fix the issue.

Use spacers and washers and crank your axle nut down all the way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Davethedavedave on April 09, 2020, 07:52:57 PM
Spitfire og classics with cutaway shape. Don't slide as well as f4 but have a ride that i would describe as creamy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on April 09, 2020, 08:28:34 PM
Spitfire og classics with cutaway shape. Don't slide as well as f4 but have a ride that i would describe as creamy
want these. What size? I haven’t found width and riding surface dimensions for the OG classics like they have for the formula four. They’re basically a conical full?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Davethedavedave on April 09, 2020, 09:46:13 PM
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Spitfire og classics with cutaway shape. Don't slide as well as f4 but have a ride that i would describe as creamy
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want these. What size? I haven’t found width and riding surface dimensions for the OG classics like they have for the formula four. They’re basically a conical full?
i skate 52s, they are similar but a tiny bit more narrow i believe
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 10, 2020, 04:46:32 PM
Thinking about putting together a Pandemic setup aka curb setup. I'm already set with an Heroin curb crusher.
I'm not sure about the wheels tho.
It would be better some F4 99 56mm classics, some Miller SPF 56mm or something soft like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/zfaE4kol.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: KindaBoard on April 10, 2020, 07:56:00 PM
Thinking about putting together a Pandemic setup aka curb setup. I'm already set with an Heroin curb crusher.
I'm not sure about the wheels tho.
It would be better some F4 99 56mm classics, some Miller SPF 56mm or something soft like this?
(https://i.imgur.com/zfaE4kol.jpg)

I'd recommend against Rough Riders for a slappy set up. I have them and they are great wheels to ride through weird terrain (put them through crusty New England roads, dirt pump tracks, grass, etc.) but feel grippy when you go to lock into a curb. They are do-able but something like a Spitfire Radial or Conical has an edge to help lock in with and won't try to grip the curb. Plus wheel biting the Rough Riders sucks, the bite is much more of a grip since the wheels are so soft.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 10, 2020, 08:10:14 PM
People that slappy with soft wheels scare me.

Spitfire F4 or Bones STF works wonders with curbs with Bones STF being the better out of the two IMO
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 10, 2020, 09:08:47 PM
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Spitfire og classics with cutaway shape. Don't slide as well as f4 but have a ride that i would describe as creamy
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want these. What size? I haven’t found width and riding surface dimensions for the OG classics like they have for the formula four. They’re basically a conical full?

They are more like a wider tablet shape. Killer wheels. Slower, grippier and less durable than F4s but if you want a bit more grip, they are highly recommended. Feel good on the rough surface roll also.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: legion on April 10, 2020, 11:38:58 PM
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Spitfire og classics with cutaway shape. Don't slide as well as f4 but have a ride that i would describe as creamy
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want these. What size? I haven’t found width and riding surface dimensions for the OG classics like they have for the formula four. They’re basically a conical full?
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They are more like a wider tablet shape. Killer wheels. Slower, grippier and less durable than F4s but if you want a bit more grip, they are highly recommended. Feel good on the rough surface roll also.
SFW's are the same shape as conical fulls. I'd guess OG's are the same as regular conicals.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on April 11, 2020, 09:11:13 AM
Thinking about putting together a Pandemic setup aka curb setup. I'm already set with an Heroin curb crusher.
I'm not sure about the wheels tho.
It would be better some F4 99 56mm classics, some Miller SPF 56mm or something soft like this?


Skip the super soft wheels.  They get chunky and grip in odd ways while grinding.

Skip the SPF.  STF are a better choice.

F4 99s are good.  I have some 56 classics that I was using for my slappy setup, but have been liking the STF V5 shape better - similar to the F4 conical.

If I were buying new wheels for it I would probably go with the softer 99a STF in a V5.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 11, 2020, 09:35:59 AM
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Thinking about putting together a Pandemic setup aka curb setup. I'm already set with an Heroin curb crusher.
I'm not sure about the wheels tho.
It would be better some F4 99 56mm classics, some Miller SPF 56mm or something soft like this?

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Skip the super soft wheels.  They get chunky and grip in odd ways while grinding.

Skip the SPF.  STF are a better choice.

F4 99s are good.  I have some 56 classics that I was using for my slappy setup, but have been liking the STF V5 shape better - similar to the F4 conical.

If I were buying new wheels for it I would probably go with the softer 99a STF in a V5.
I'm curious about those for a while but threaded wheels bother me so much. I know is pretty silly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on April 11, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
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Thinking about putting together a Pandemic setup aka curb setup. I'm already set with an Heroin curb crusher.
I'm not sure about the wheels tho.
It would be better some F4 99 56mm classics, some Miller SPF 56mm or something soft like this?

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Skip the super soft wheels.  They get chunky and grip in odd ways while grinding.

Skip the SPF.  STF are a better choice.

F4 99s are good.  I have some 56 classics that I was using for my slappy setup, but have been liking the STF V5 shape better - similar to the F4 conical.

If I were buying new wheels for it I would probably go with the softer 99a STF in a V5.
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I'm curious about those for a while but threaded wheels bother me so much. I know is pretty silly.

Skate some crust for a week and boom - threads gone.
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Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on April 11, 2020, 02:51:45 PM
just ordered these, and a set of 60mm super juices too

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Post by: legion on April 11, 2020, 03:17:36 PM
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Thinking about putting together a Pandemic setup aka curb setup. I'm already set with an Heroin curb crusher.
I'm not sure about the wheels tho.
It would be better some F4 99 56mm classics, some Miller SPF 56mm or something soft like this?

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Skip the super soft wheels.  They get chunky and grip in odd ways while grinding.

Skip the SPF.  STF are a better choice.

F4 99s are good.  I have some 56 classics that I was using for my slappy setup, but have been liking the STF V5 shape better - similar to the F4 conical.

If I were buying new wheels for it I would probably go with the softer 99a STF in a V5.
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I'm curious about those for a while but threaded wheels bother me so much. I know is pretty silly.
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Skate some crust for a week and boom - threads gone.
I don't have crusty spots so took forever with Classics, think they're the 2.0 formula. Actually had to do tons of powerslides to get rid of the treads. Like ending seshs with 30m of slashdawgin.
Bones wheels with treads is interesting though. In factory tour vids they talk about using better molds so they don't have to machine/lathe wheels to size and make the riding surface concentric with the bearing core. Treads means a crappier mold. Also let's them use the same mold for different sizes. Spitfire does this too. Since the F1 era? We're their cored wheels called afterburners? Idr.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imuseless on April 12, 2020, 02:33:49 AM
Anyone had Slime Balls 78a? How is the Formula? I need new cruiser wheels soon and Santa Cruz would have the coolest colorways that I can get locally.  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Poseur on April 12, 2020, 04:54:06 AM
Anyone had Slime Balls 78a? How is the Formula? I need new cruiser wheels soon and Santa Cruz would have the coolest colorways that I can get locally.  ;D

Slime Balls are great for cruising. I had the 60mm. They're wide, but not too wide and really smooth and grippy. The only possible downside is, they have a really big contact patch, which is great for control, but make them impossible to slide.
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Post by: imuseless on April 12, 2020, 05:12:19 AM
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Anyone had Slime Balls 78a? How is the Formula? I need new cruiser wheels soon and Santa Cruz would have the coolest colorways that I can get locally.  ;D
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Slime Balls are great for cruising. I had the 60mm. They're wide, but not too wide and really smooth and grippy. The only possible downside is, they have a really big contact patch, which is great for control, but make them impossible to slide.

Thanx, exactly what I wanted to hear! I prefer the cruiser wheels to be wide and smooth, I don't expect them to slide anyway.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Poseur on April 12, 2020, 06:33:43 AM
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Anyone had Slime Balls 78a? How is the Formula? I need new cruiser wheels soon and Santa Cruz would have the coolest colorways that I can get locally.  ;D
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Slime Balls are great for cruising. I had the 60mm. They're wide, but not too wide and really smooth and grippy. The only possible downside is, they have a really big contact patch, which is great for control, but make them impossible to slide.
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Thanx, exactly what I wanted to hear! I prefer the cruiser wheels to be wide and smooth, I don't expect them to slide anyway.

Take a look at the Ricta Clouds too. I got a set after I couldn't find Slime Balls in 60mm. I like the clouds just as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 14, 2020, 10:46:38 AM
I know this isn't a wildly popular wheel, but has anyone tried the new 95a mini logo hybrids? I had the 90a and they were a really good cruiser but a little too bouncy-ball. I thought they'd be a really good wheel if they were just a little bit harder. The 101a are ok but they're sort of plastic feeling and aren't super comfortable on rough streets, so 95a seems like it might be a sweet spot between the two and I like the A cut shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 14, 2020, 12:54:23 PM
For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 14, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?

STF 99s are easier on the feet than the F4 99s on shitty terrain for sure. They are stickier but if you are not sliding on shit terrain you should be fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 14, 2020, 01:43:28 PM
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For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
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STF 99s are easier on the feet than the F4 99s on shitty terrain for sure. They are stickier but if you are not sliding on shit terrain you should be fine.
That's exactly what I thought, found a little flat where I live so I'm pretty stoked:
(https://i.imgur.com/7VN9JaFl.jpg)
Just need a broom
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 14, 2020, 07:24:11 PM
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For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
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STF 99s are easier on the feet than the F4 99s on shitty terrain for sure. They are stickier but if you are not sliding on shit terrain you should be fine.
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That's exactly what I thought, found a little flat where I live so I'm pretty stoked:
(https://i.imgur.com/7VN9JaFl.jpg)
Just need a broom

Is that your Covid-19 spot? =D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 14, 2020, 08:19:51 PM
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For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
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STF 99s are easier on the feet than the F4 99s on shitty terrain for sure. They are stickier but if you are not sliding on shit terrain you should be fine.
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That's exactly what I thought, found a little flat where I live so I'm pretty stoked:
(https://i.imgur.com/7VN9JaFl.jpg)
Just need a broom
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Is that your Covid-19 spot? =D
Exactly. I live in the middle of a forest, no WiFi or TV cable, near an active volcano. I'm lucky to have a nice little cozy park in town just 5 min away by car but I need sth to keep me insolated and nearby home.
I'll give it a try tomorrow maybe.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on April 14, 2020, 08:28:17 PM
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For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
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STF 99s are easier on the feet than the F4 99s on shitty terrain for sure. They are stickier but if you are not sliding on shit terrain you should be fine.
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That's exactly what I thought, found a little flat where I live so I'm pretty stoked:
(https://i.imgur.com/7VN9JaFl.jpg)
Just need a broom
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Is that your Covid-19 spot? =D
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Exactly. I live in the middle of a forest, no WiFi or TV cable, near an active volcano. I'm lucky to have a nice little cozy park in town just 5 min away by car but I need sth to keep me insolated and nearby home.
I'll give it a try tomorrow maybe.

Sounds heavenly, build yourself a rail and box, baby you have a perfect spot going.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on April 14, 2020, 11:17:43 PM
wait did I miss when Easy Streets got renamed STF 99a? Or are they different formulas altogether?
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Post by: Krooked antihero on April 14, 2020, 11:49:30 PM
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For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
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STF 99s are easier on the feet than the F4 99s on shitty terrain for sure. They are stickier but if you are not sliding on shit terrain you should be fine.
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That's exactly what I thought, found a little flat where I live so I'm pretty stoked:
(https://i.imgur.com/7VN9JaFl.jpg)
Just need a broom
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Is that your Covid-19 spot? =D
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Exactly. I live in the middle of a forest, no WiFi or TV cable, near an active volcano. I'm lucky to have a nice little cozy park in town just 5 min away by car but I need sth to keep me insolated and nearby home.
I'll give it a try tomorrow maybe.
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Sounds heavenly, build yourself a rail and box, baby you have a perfect spot going.
Or get some ’crete and start building your dream DIY park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 15, 2020, 07:06:44 AM
wait did I miss when Easy Streets got renamed STF 99a? Or are they different formulas altogether?
I would say yes, anybody care to confirm?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drewsmahgoos on April 15, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
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For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
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STF 99s are easier on the feet than the F4 99s on shitty terrain for sure. They are stickier but if you are not sliding on shit terrain you should be fine.
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That's exactly what I thought, found a little flat where I live so I'm pretty stoked:
(https://i.imgur.com/7VN9JaFl.jpg)
Just need a broom

Was going to say you could hit that gap too but it looks just a little too mellow and long to be any fun. If you can get away with it, a lowish rail in that dirt between the road and your spot would be a ton of fun to skate down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on April 15, 2020, 11:09:14 AM
They switched after their second season or something. The also changed the way more accurate 83b on the original stf to 103a, stf=a scale, spf=b scale.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jory4 on April 15, 2020, 12:34:23 PM
Anyone have experience of speedlabs 99a formula relative to f4?
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Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on April 15, 2020, 05:22:51 PM
does anyone have experience with the brand boardy cakes?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on April 15, 2020, 05:29:35 PM
does anyone have experience with the brand boardy cakes?
I bought wheels from their website and they sent me the wheels in the mail. The wheels say "Boardy Cakes" on them. They are small.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 15, 2020, 07:34:39 PM
For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?

not sure if you're still wondering about this but ben degros says the F4's are much smoother feeling on rough terrain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e9U0Gls5WA

check around 6:10 mark
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 15, 2020, 07:43:35 PM
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not sure if you're still wondering about this but ben degros says the F4's are much smoother feeling on rough terrain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e9U0Gls5WA

check around 6:10 mark

I didn't see Ben skate on 'rough terrain' like our boys Red Dawn spot he's got to skate on.
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Post by: tzhangdox on April 15, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
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not sure if you're still wondering about this but ben degros says the F4's are much smoother feeling on rough terrain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e9U0Gls5WA

check around 6:10 mark

 I would disagree with this take tbh having tried both (albeit easy streets very briefly), they're definitely a bit softer imo
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 15, 2020, 08:48:33 PM
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For a rough street: STF 99 or F4 99?
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not sure if you're still wondering about this but ben degros says the F4's are much smoother feeling on rough terrain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e9U0Gls5WA

check around 6:10 mark
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 I would disagree with this take tbh having tried both (albeit easy streets very briefly), they're definitely a bit softer imo

Same experience as you. Especially with the Easy street fatties, compared to similar size Conical fulls. Easy streets felt softer on medium rough streets and slid pretty close to as nice as F4’s do, though the slide feels different. The newer natural color easy streets don’t feel like that to me though. Those feel harder and grippier imo
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 16, 2020, 06:13:32 AM
Do they actually make easy streets in V2 or V3, 50mm or 51mm? Page below makes it look like they do but I've never seen them available anywhere.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2020, 06:26:15 AM
Do they actually make easy streets in V2 or V3, 50mm or 51mm? Page below makes it look like they do but I've never seen them available anywhere.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/)

This isn’t meant as a replacement but....the sml wheels coffee cruisers have always been interesting to me. Having a softer, regular (for me, 50-52mm) wheel sounds fun.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 16, 2020, 06:40:49 AM
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Do they actually make easy streets in V2 or V3, 50mm or 51mm? Page below makes it look like they do but I've never seen them available anywhere.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/)
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This isn’t meant as a replacement but....the sml wheels coffee cruisers have always been interesting to me. Having a softer, regular (for me, 50-52mm) wheel sounds fun.

Yeah, but if you're going to go that route you might as well get a 52mm keyframe. 92a wheels have always been super disappointing to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 16, 2020, 06:42:11 AM
V4 would like line a F4 conical?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2020, 06:46:24 AM
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Do they actually make easy streets in V2 or V3, 50mm or 51mm? Page below makes it look like they do but I've never seen them available anywhere.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/)
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This isn’t meant as a replacement but....the sml wheels coffee cruisers have always been interesting to me. Having a softer, regular (for me, 50-52mm) wheel sounds fun.
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Yeah, but if you're going to go that route you might as well get a 52mm keyframe. 92a wheels have always been super disappointing to me.

Probably because you are still ripping! Soft wheels and any ledge trick are terrible. Rolling down fucked roads in scenic country areas and attempting a flip trick is more my speed.
Forgot about the key frames, never had em. Had rough riders and they were good for rolling, nothing else.
For some reason I originally thought the easy streets were more of a soft, go anywhere wheel, but they are really just more like the f4 99, no?
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 16, 2020, 06:56:03 AM
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Do they actually make easy streets in V2 or V3, 50mm or 51mm? Page below makes it look like they do but I've never seen them available anywhere.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/)
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This isn’t meant as a replacement but....the sml wheels coffee cruisers have always been interesting to me. Having a softer, regular (for me, 50-52mm) wheel sounds fun.
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Yeah, but if you're going to go that route you might as well get a 52mm keyframe. 92a wheels have always been super disappointing to me.
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Probably because you are still ripping! Soft wheels and any ledge trick are terrible. Rolling down fucked roads in scenic country areas and attempting a flip trick is more my speed.
Forgot about the key frames, never had em. Had rough riders and they were good for rolling, nothing else.
For some reason I originally thought the easy streets were more of a soft, go anywhere wheel, but they are really just more like the f4 99, no?

Yeah, they're like bones version of the F4. I skated Bones forever because I liked the shapes, but F4s just changed everything completely. I love tablets and classics, but I would give easy streets a try if they made them in the sizes/shapes that I like.

TBH, and I know some people hate them, but the 80HD chargers in the classic shape (I had the 54s) were my favorite cruiser wheel. Super soft but I could still do heelflips and tricks involving rotation without eating it. I think they just had some QC issues with those and the classic shape made them a little less durable.
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Post by: Ok on April 16, 2020, 07:29:55 AM
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Do they actually make easy streets in V2 or V3, 50mm or 51mm? Page below makes it look like they do but I've never seen them available anywhere.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/)
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This isn’t meant as a replacement but....the sml wheels coffee cruisers have always been interesting to me. Having a softer, regular (for me, 50-52mm) wheel sounds fun.
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Yeah, but if you're going to go that route you might as well get a 52mm keyframe. 92a wheels have always been super disappointing to me.
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Probably because you are still ripping! Soft wheels and any ledge trick are terrible. Rolling down fucked roads in scenic country areas and attempting a flip trick is more my speed.
Forgot about the key frames, never had em. Had rough riders and they were good for rolling, nothing else.
For some reason I originally thought the easy streets were more of a soft, go anywhere wheel, but they are really just more like the f4 99, no?
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Yeah, they're like bones version of the F4. I skated Bones forever because I liked the shapes, but F4s just changed everything completely. I love tablets and classics, but I would give easy streets a try if they made them in the sizes/shapes that I like.

TBH, and I know some people hate them, but the 80HD chargers in the classic shape (I had the 54s) were my favorite cruiser wheel. Super soft but I could still do heelflips and tricks involving rotation without eating it. I think they just had some QC issues with those and the classic shape made them a little less durable.

I took Slap’s recommendation and passed on those.
Had a ton of recommendations for key frames, have always just bought big ass regular wheels, and then the whole shit is heavy as fuck and I hate em.
Serves ye right kind souls that recommend: I’ll just buy the other thing and then hate it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on April 16, 2020, 09:44:56 AM
Keyframes are pretty heavy - just put them on venture 6.1’s from my 169 and noticed it more for sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weedgod94 on April 16, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
V4 would like line a F4 conical?
no, v4 is like a classic full. v5 is like a conical and v6 is like a conical full
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 16, 2020, 12:07:30 PM
Do they actually make easy streets in V2 or V3, 50mm or 51mm? Page below makes it look like they do but I've never seen them available anywhere.

https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/ (https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/)

Wow,49mm V2!

Smallest I've seen the easys/99s in V2/v3 are 52mm

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on April 16, 2020, 09:55:48 PM
stf 99 are the same as easy streets (except grown up).  they dropped the easy street moniker, got rid of the treads and use the more natural color. 

about to switch to some 99radial53s but the 5399v5s i rode all winter have been great.  i'm looking forward to being a little slidier but am hoping i don't notice too much of a decrease in glide and long rollingness which might be unmatched. 

between these two formulas we are in great time for street wheels.  i see v6s in my future...roll forever and ever and...

 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on April 16, 2020, 10:39:15 PM
In the past I could never see myself riding anything bigger than a 52mm, but given that street / curb skating is all we have right now, 54mm conicals / wide wheels seem like a welcome relief from the cracks in the road.

Been eyeing a pair of Autobahn 54mm Dual Core wheels, unfortunately the seller doesn't want to ship stuff out during lockdown. Still a good time to try some dual core SML wheels I inherited from a 2nd hand setup I got.

Got me thinking - why did dual core wheels out of fashion?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on April 16, 2020, 11:29:00 PM
In the past I could never see myself riding anything bigger than a 52mm, but given that street / curb skating is all we have right now, 54mm conicals / wide wheels seem like a welcome relief from the cracks in the road.

Been eyeing a pair of Autobahn 54mm Dual Core wheels, unfortunately the seller doesn't want to ship stuff out during lockdown. Still a good time to try some dual core SML wheels I inherited from a 2nd hand setup I got.

Got me thinking - why did dual core wheels out of fashion?

What good do they do? What’s the difference between regular core and dual core?
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Post by: rocklobster on April 16, 2020, 11:54:02 PM
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In the past I could never see myself riding anything bigger than a 52mm, but given that street / curb skating is all we have right now, 54mm conicals / wide wheels seem like a welcome relief from the cracks in the road.

Been eyeing a pair of Autobahn 54mm Dual Core wheels cored (dual durometer), unfortunately the seller doesn't want to ship stuff out during lockdown. Still a good time to try some dual cored SML wheels I inherited from a 2nd hand setup I got.

Got me thinking - why did cored wheels out of fashion?
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What good do they do? What’s the difference between regular core and dual core?

Meant to type core / dual durometer. Seemed like back in the day every brand had a core wheel.
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Post by: Uncle Poseur on April 17, 2020, 05:04:56 AM
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In the past I could never see myself riding anything bigger than a 52mm, but given that street / curb skating is all we have right now, 54mm conicals / wide wheels seem like a welcome relief from the cracks in the road.

Been eyeing a pair of Autobahn 54mm Dual Core wheels cored (dual durometer), unfortunately the seller doesn't want to ship stuff out during lockdown. Still a good time to try some dual cored SML wheels I inherited from a 2nd hand setup I got.

Got me thinking - why did cored wheels out of fashion?
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What good do they do? What’s the difference between regular core and dual core?
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Meant to type core / dual durometer. Seemed like back in the day every brand had a core wheel.

You still see duel durometer on a lot of softer wheels. I think it makes more sense with soft wheels, the harder core allows the bearings to seat straight without spacers. For hard wheels it's not really a problem.
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Post by: giantbeardedone on April 17, 2020, 01:22:27 PM
Anyone know the difference between OG Ricta clouds vs chrome clouds at 92a? Is the chrome core supposed to ... help in some way?
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Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 17, 2020, 01:52:10 PM
Just ordered some 53mm, 101 F4 Tablets from my local. Hoping to find that sweet spot between a lighter weight, “tech” wheel that locks into grinds well but can still handle rougher surfaces and cracks in the ground. My conical fulls roll great over just about everything, but they feel kind of clunky for flips and grinds
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 17, 2020, 04:01:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/q8ytSKTl.jpg)
Anybody knows if those "bubbles" are going to be an issue in the future?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 17, 2020, 04:06:13 PM
↑ nah, they were an industry standard for years ...
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Post by: legion on April 18, 2020, 12:31:22 AM
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In the past I could never see myself riding anything bigger than a 52mm, but given that street / curb skating is all we have right now, 54mm conicals / wide wheels seem like a welcome relief from the cracks in the road.

Been eyeing a pair of Autobahn 54mm Dual Core wheels cored (dual durometer), unfortunately the seller doesn't want to ship stuff out during lockdown. Still a good time to try some dual cored SML wheels I inherited from a 2nd hand setup I got.

Got me thinking - why did cored wheels out of fashion?
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What good do they do? What’s the difference between regular core and dual core?
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Meant to type core / dual durometer. Seemed like back in the day every brand had a core wheel.
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You still see duel durometer on a lot of softer wheels. I think it makes more sense with soft wheels, the harder core allows the bearings to seat straight without spacers. For hard wheels it's not really a problem.
The core on cruiser wheels is hard plastic, I see 70d hardness used a lot. There's some actual dual durometer wheels out there. There's roller derby stuff where the outside is softer for grip and the inside is harder for speed. Goofy colors..
And there's these weird Autobahn wheels that I never got to see in person. They use a 97a core in a 83b wheel for good slide and speed without being to jarring. Idk how well they worked.
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/autobahn-wheel-co/products/autobahn-ab-x-torus-97a-52mm-54mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 18, 2020, 11:22:11 PM
Which OJ cruiser wheel is the best? I need one that rolls well, slides easily (to do slappies), and isn't ridiculously big. I'm going to use Indy 169s and probably either a 9-1/4 Krooked Dan Drehobl deck or a Girl Couch/Love shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PeskOne on April 20, 2020, 08:05:21 AM
50mm f4 classics or the cones?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 20, 2020, 10:13:29 AM
Which OJ cruiser wheel is the best? I need one that rolls well, slides easily (to do slappies), and isn't ridiculously big. I'm going to use Indy 169s and probably either a 9-1/4 Krooked Dan Drehobl deck or a Girl Couch/Love shape.
I rock 54mm keyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on April 20, 2020, 10:28:55 AM
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In the past I could never see myself riding anything bigger than a 52mm, but given that street / curb skating is all we have right now, 54mm conicals / wide wheels seem like a welcome relief from the cracks in the road.

Been eyeing a pair of Autobahn 54mm Dual Core wheels cored (dual durometer), unfortunately the seller doesn't want to ship stuff out during lockdown. Still a good time to try some dual cored SML wheels I inherited from a 2nd hand setup I got.

Got me thinking - why did cored wheels out of fashion?
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What good do they do? What’s the difference between regular core and dual core?
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Meant to type core / dual durometer. Seemed like back in the day every brand had a core wheel.
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You still see duel durometer on a lot of softer wheels. I think it makes more sense with soft wheels, the harder core allows the bearings to seat straight without spacers. For hard wheels it's not really a problem.
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The core on cruiser wheels is hard plastic, I see 70d hardness used a lot. There's some actual dual durometer wheels out there. There's roller derby stuff where the outside is softer for grip and the inside is harder for speed. Goofy colors..
And there's these weird Autobahn wheels that I never got to see in person. They use a 97a core in a 83b wheel for good slide and speed without being to jarring. Idk how well they worked.
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/autobahn-wheel-co/products/autobahn-ab-x-torus-97a-52mm-54mm

We plastic cores on all of our SML. wheels for years but just in the middle of the wheel. Once you put the bearings in you can't see it so the called it "invisible cores".

Reason being no matter how hard the wheels are urethane still compresses and can actually have an effect on the bearings. Or that was what we gathered from our manufacturer. We still use it for our cruisers since the are softer.

Thanks to all of you who have tried SML. wheels...we're still the little guys and appreciate people trying them!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on April 20, 2020, 11:00:43 AM
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Which OJ cruiser wheel is the best? I need one that rolls well, slides easily (to do slappies), and isn't ridiculously big. I'm going to use Indy 169s and probably either a 9-1/4 Krooked Dan Drehobl deck or a Girl Couch/Love shape.
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I rock 54mm keyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on April 20, 2020, 08:02:23 PM
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In the past I could never see myself riding anything bigger than a 52mm, but given that street / curb skating is all we have right now, 54mm conicals / wide wheels seem like a welcome relief from the cracks in the road.

Been eyeing a pair of Autobahn 54mm Dual Core wheels cored (dual durometer), unfortunately the seller doesn't want to ship stuff out during lockdown. Still a good time to try some dual cored SML wheels I inherited from a 2nd hand setup I got.

Got me thinking - why did cored wheels out of fashion?
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What good do they do? What’s the difference between regular core and dual core?
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Meant to type core / dual durometer. Seemed like back in the day every brand had a core wheel.
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You still see duel durometer on a lot of softer wheels. I think it makes more sense with soft wheels, the harder core allows the bearings to seat straight without spacers. For hard wheels it's not really a problem.
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The core on cruiser wheels is hard plastic, I see 70d hardness used a lot. There's some actual dual durometer wheels out there. There's roller derby stuff where the outside is softer for grip and the inside is harder for speed. Goofy colors..
And there's these weird Autobahn wheels that I never got to see in person. They use a 97a core in a 83b wheel for good slide and speed without being to jarring. Idk how well they worked.
https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/autobahn-wheel-co/products/autobahn-ab-x-torus-97a-52mm-54mm
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We plastic cores on all of our SML. wheels for years but just in the middle of the wheel. Once you put the bearings in you can't see it so the called it "invisible cores".

Reason being no matter how hard the wheels are urethane still compresses and can actually have an effect on the bearings. Or that was what we gathered from our manufacturer. We still use it for our cruisers since the are softer.

Thanks to all of you who have tried SML. wheels...we're still the little guys and appreciate people trying them!

Damn cliff himself replied! Best lockdown ever!

For real, I actually really liked riding the 52mm core conical wheels from SML. I usually ride harder 99a slimmer wheels but these felt great on crusty road.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JudoOrigami on April 20, 2020, 11:32:26 PM
In need of a replacement cruiser wheel for my 78a clouds.

Should i go for keyframes or another set of clouds or something else? The skateshop I like supporting has a bunch of Welcome wheels but I feel uneasy buying them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Poseur on April 21, 2020, 05:32:37 AM
In need of a replacement cruiser wheel for my 78a clouds.

Should i go for keyframes or another set of clouds or something else? The skateshop I like supporting has a bunch of Welcome wheels but I feel uneasy buying them

I've had both 78a Clouds and 87a Keyframes. Honestly they feel about the same. The big difference is, the Keyframes are narrower than the clouds with a bit less contact patch. I liked the Clouds better (on my setup) because my truck axles were slightly less than my deck and the Clouds were wide, so they filled the extra space.

If you're down to try something different, Clouds have a bunch of different duros. I've been meaning to try the 92a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Quique on April 21, 2020, 05:58:20 AM
Any good ideas for wearing a single wheel?

Many moons ago I bought an old school complete for the natas deck. It came with 80's hosoi rockets, 3 92a that are 55-56mm, and a 97a almost new at 60mm. I want to use them in a cruiser and I don't care about the hardness but the size difference it's too much.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Utopos on April 21, 2020, 06:18:03 AM
Any good ideas for wearing a single wheel?

Many moons ago I bought an old school complete for the natas deck. It came with 80's hosoi rockets, 3 92a that are 55-56mm, and a 97a almost new at 60mm. I want to use them in a cruiser and I don't care about the hardness but the size difference it's too much.

Maybe a bench grinder? It would be had not to cone it out or leave it bumpy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on April 21, 2020, 06:49:09 AM
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In need of a replacement cruiser wheel for my 78a clouds.

Should i go for keyframes or another set of clouds or something else? The skateshop I like supporting has a bunch of Welcome wheels but I feel uneasy buying them
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I've had both 78a Clouds and 87a Keyframes. Honestly they feel about the same. The big difference is, the Keyframes are narrower than the clouds with a bit less contact patch. I liked the Clouds better (on my setup) because my truck axles were slightly less than my deck and the Clouds were wide, so they filled the extra space.

If you're down to try something different, Clouds have a bunch of different duros. I've been meaning to try the 92a.
are the clouds heavy then? Feel like I can feel the heft when i put key frames on
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on April 21, 2020, 07:32:33 AM
Any good ideas for wearing a single wheel?

Many moons ago I bought an old school complete for the natas deck. It came with 80's hosoi rockets, 3 92a that are 55-56mm, and a 97a almost new at 60mm. I want to use them in a cruiser and I don't care about the hardness but the size difference it's too much.

Belt sander held at about a 60 degree angle to the rotation of the wheel.  It will make the wheel spin and the sanding across will take off the urethane.    I haven't tried to go down that much, but I do this when I get a flat spot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 21, 2020, 09:04:06 AM
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I had no idea where to post this.

I'm so fucking happy I found this. The rest are close by I can feel it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on April 21, 2020, 09:35:21 AM
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In need of a replacement cruiser wheel for my 78a clouds.

Should i go for keyframes or another set of clouds or something else? The skateshop I like supporting has a bunch of Welcome wheels but I feel uneasy buying them
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I've had both 78a Clouds and 87a Keyframes. Honestly they feel about the same. The big difference is, the Keyframes are narrower than the clouds with a bit less contact patch. I liked the Clouds better (on my setup) because my truck axles were slightly less than my deck and the Clouds were wide, so they filled the extra space.

If you're down to try something different, Clouds have a bunch of different duros. I've been meaning to try the 92a.

cosign that there's surprisingly little in "feel" between duro on these wheels (in the end I went with a MUCH bigger wheel for 3rd setup in that range (76a) for a bigger contrast/different function) but what size were you trying at?

52mm Keyframes def seemed wider & flatter than 52mm Clouds more "Spit classic" type shape to me?

I didn't enjoy the skinny/less stable feeling of the clouds though, Keyframes have a nice rattly-bounce almost a street wheel in feedback to them but with a reassuring contact patch. I don't really like thin contact patch or skinny wheels generally though, never have even back in the day. 53mm 101 lock-ins are my "proper" wheel of choice, for a perfect compromise flat ride/functional for tricks jam.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on April 21, 2020, 09:37:18 AM
my point which I didn't really make, the clouds width seems to vary massively throughout the product range... 52-60mm get way wider as they get taller.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 22, 2020, 05:45:32 AM
So I decided to give Loopholes a try. For those unfamiliar they're the same as NFG, so small batch hand-poured wheels from SF.

First ones I got were the 54mm "teardrop" shape which is pretty much just a classic shape. Was pretty impressed with how fast and smooth they were on rough terrain despite being pretty hard (52D). Really enjoyed them but being on the narrow side I wasn't super comfortable and kind of limited myself to only skating smooth, flat areas.

Seeing as how it was a shape issue more than anything I decided to get the 56mm V shapes which are kind of like a tablet on steroids. These things are WIDE and it's mostly contact patch. I'm absolutely loving them so far. They're fast as hell, crush through pebbles and debris, and have a super buttery slide. They almost slid too well at first, but after an hour or so they settled down and I got used to them.

The graphics do come off really easily, almost like a temporary tattoo. You could wipe the whole thing bare with a rag in seconds if you wanted to, which is a negative for some people but for the "graphics in" crowd it's kind of nice. The V shapes do have some bubbling/pitting but it's only in a few small spots and I kind of like that they have minor flaws that don't affect performance. It shows that they really are hand poured and comes across as honest if that makes any sense.

Overall I think they're really fucking good. I don't think theyre ever going to be super popular like spitfire or bones but that's part of what I like about them. The formula is excellent, the shapes are great, and I think the V shape might even replace my  go-to F4 conical full in a lot of situations. Hopefully they hold up long term as well as F4 does.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 22, 2020, 07:41:58 AM
So I decided to give Loopholes a try. For those unfamiliar they're the same as NFG, so small batch hand-poured wheels from SF.

First ones I got were the 54mm "teardrop" shape which is pretty much just a classic shape. Was pretty impressed with how fast and smooth they were on rough terrain despite being pretty hard (52D). Really enjoyed them but being on the narrow side I wasn't super comfortable and kind of limited myself to only skating smooth, flat areas.

Seeing as how it was a shape issue more than anything I decided to get the 56mm V shapes which are kind of like a tablet on steroids. These things are WIDE and it's mostly contact patch. I'm absolutely loving them so far. They're fast as hell, crush through pebbles and debris, and have a super buttery slide. They almost slid too well at first, but after an hour or so they settled down and I got used to them.

The graphics do come off really easily, almost like a temporary tattoo. You could wipe the whole thing bare with a rag in seconds if you wanted to, which is a negative for some people but for the "graphics in" crowd it's kind of nice. The V shapes do have some bubbling/pitting but it's only in a few small spots and I kind of like that they have minor flaws that don't affect performance. It shows that they really are hand poured and comes across as honest if that makes any sense.

Overall I think they're really fucking good. I don't think theyre ever going to be super popular like spitfire or bones but that's part of what I like about them. The formula is excellent, the shapes are great, and I think the V shape might even replace my  go-to F4 conical full in a lot of situations. Hopefully they hold up long term as well as F4 does.

Same experience here with Loophole and NFG. Crazy slide at first, then grip up a bit first day. After a couple months of on/off use, they feel a little grippier (slide wise) than the 101a F4. Love these wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on April 22, 2020, 08:23:12 AM
Anyone tried SML? how do they compare to Spitfires?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on April 22, 2020, 09:38:31 AM
Anyone tried SML? how do they compare to Spitfires?

Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.

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Two days in on F4 radial slim 99s, and coming back to f4s they're slipperier than I remember, the SMLs were probably right in between classics and f4s. Interesting because it feels identical on ledges but when bombing hills the SMLs take a little more effort to push into a slide. I actually like this a lot more because the whole point of powersliding is to slow yourself down and if the wheel is too slippery you don't lose any speed and you're more likely to slip out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on April 22, 2020, 09:48:24 AM
Tried the STF 99 and I must say I'm really pleased.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on April 22, 2020, 09:57:56 AM
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.

Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on April 22, 2020, 10:11:34 AM
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!

Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on April 22, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
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Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!

Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 04:37:33 PM
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
You don't disappoint when it comes to reviews. I will give these a look and decide. I am just finishing up a pair of 99d spitfire conicals that are super coned. Thinking about grabbing either a 53mm 101d Conical full or Classic. I think I would like the classics for the slimmer profile, the conical for rolling. 99d feels a little to soft for me on the spitfires. I rely on the slide when I fs 180 cuz I'm fat.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on April 22, 2020, 08:10:58 PM
If 99a f4s are too soft for you, then the sml ag formula is probably too soft as well. The og formula might be good, as said above, it feels harder and a bit slidier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 09:19:54 PM
If 99a f4s are too soft for you, then the sml ag formula is probably too soft as well. The og formula might be good, as said above, it feels harder and a bit slidier.
Matter of perception I suppose.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 22, 2020, 11:27:58 PM
So I decided to give Loopholes a try. For those unfamiliar they're the same as NFG, so small batch hand-poured wheels from SF.

First ones I got were the 54mm "teardrop" shape which is pretty much just a classic shape. Was pretty impressed with how fast and smooth they were on rough terrain despite being pretty hard (52D). Really enjoyed them but being on the narrow side I wasn't super comfortable and kind of limited myself to only skating smooth, flat areas.

Seeing as how it was a shape issue more than anything I decided to get the 56mm V shapes which are kind of like a tablet on steroids. These things are WIDE and it's mostly contact patch. I'm absolutely loving them so far. They're fast as hell, crush through pebbles and debris, and have a super buttery slide. They almost slid too well at first, but after an hour or so they settled down and I got used to them.

The graphics do come off really easily, almost like a temporary tattoo. You could wipe the whole thing bare with a rag in seconds if you wanted to, which is a negative for some people but for the "graphics in" crowd it's kind of nice. The V shapes do have some bubbling/pitting but it's only in a few small spots and I kind of like that they have minor flaws that don't affect performance. It shows that they really are hand poured and comes across as honest if that makes any sense.

Overall I think they're really fucking good. I don't think theyre ever going to be super popular like spitfire or bones but that's part of what I like about them. The formula is excellent, the shapes are great, and I think the V shape might even replace my  go-to F4 conical full in a lot of situations. Hopefully they hold up long term as well as F4 does.
accurate description. I had some of the 56mm conicals too, I reviewed them a few pages back. Actually just picked up another set because I missed them!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on April 23, 2020, 04:42:25 AM
I’ve had a different experience with Loophole regarding the slide - I’ve been riding around on some  54mm teardrops for about a week and found them to be more difficult to break into a slide than F4. Mine definitely feel more grippy. I’m really, really enjoying them though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 23, 2020, 04:49:13 AM
Really? Do you usually ride 99 F4s? Loopholes definitely felt more icy than them, I’ve new we skated 101 F4s though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on April 23, 2020, 05:16:15 AM
Recently I’ve been on radial slim and classics in 99 and tablets and classics in 101 (lots of tinkering due to winter boredom) - they all break into a slide with less resistance than my loophole. I’ve ibeen riding on this new, very smooth blacktop for what that’s worth.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ImmanuelCunt on April 23, 2020, 10:42:19 AM

Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.

I have been riding the sammy montano og wide 53mm for about 2-3 weeks and can confirm this in comparison to my 53mm f4 99a lock ins I rode before. That said it is definitely not dramatic or bad. Cannot say too much about blunts since I currently have no ledge available. They are also good on shitty paved sidewalks. All in all a really good wheel. But sounds like I would even be happier with the AG formula. Will see in a year or so, when i need new ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 24, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
AUTOBAHN WHEEL CO.

https://fullcircledistribution.com/collections/autobahn-wheel-co


Dual Duro king is back (tho the 100a DD are sold out :(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on April 25, 2020, 12:54:37 PM
I can’t remember where but I read a conical wheel actually lessens the chances of hang ups when coming out of a grind on coping vs a round wheel, when I always thought the opposite. Thoughts fellow wheel nerds?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on April 25, 2020, 05:15:21 PM
why do wheels still come with tread???

because they are s(h)aving precious seconds of production time

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gaunting on April 25, 2020, 06:04:41 PM
anyone tried those new pig “prime” wheels? I’m intrigued....but it says they are 104a! idk about all that....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on April 25, 2020, 08:33:32 PM
A China made wheel that has nothing going for it besides labeled as “104a”. I’d play it safe and not get them. Not to say pigs are shitty wheels but I doubt they’d outperform a 101a F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 26, 2020, 08:56:32 PM
I’ve had a different experience with Loophole regarding the slide - I’ve been riding around on some  54mm teardrops for about a week and found them to be more difficult to break into a slide than F4. Mine definitely feel more grippy. I’m really, really enjoying them though.

Really? Do you usually ride 99 F4s? Loopholes definitely felt more icy than them, I’ve new we skated 101 F4s though

The teardrop shape does seem harder to slide for some reason, I had trouble breaking loose my first few times on them but it seems to be getting better. Not sure if that's because of them breaking in a little or me just kind of getting used to it. The 56mm V's slide almost as well as an F4 though. Really glad I picked up the V's because they're pretty ideal for the streets around here and with a good set of bearings they're really fast which makes my morning commute both easier and more fun. Being able to bomb down the middle of the empty streets at 5:30am and just monster truck over everything in your way is a great way to start the day. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on April 27, 2020, 03:34:30 AM
They had an IG story recently about some new molds for 54mm V-shape which I will definitely pick up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on May 08, 2020, 07:17:36 AM
Was thinking of going from 54mm F4 down to a 52 in the same wheel. I’ve always ridden bigger wheels (55/56) and now I’m actually sizing down. I’m trying to cut a little weight and get closer to the ground. Will I notice a major reduction in speed?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 08, 2020, 07:23:49 AM
They had an IG story recently about some new molds for 54mm V-shape which I will definitely pick up.
yeah, this will probably be the perfect wheel for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: heritage on May 08, 2020, 10:20:58 AM
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So I decided to give Loopholes a try. For those unfamiliar they're the same as NFG, so small batch hand-poured wheels from SF.

First ones I got were the 54mm "teardrop" shape which is pretty much just a classic shape. Was pretty impressed with how fast and smooth they were on rough terrain despite being pretty hard (52D). Really enjoyed them but being on the narrow side I wasn't super comfortable and kind of limited myself to only skating smooth, flat areas.

Seeing as how it was a shape issue more than anything I decided to get the 56mm V shapes which are kind of like a tablet on steroids. These things are WIDE and it's mostly contact patch. I'm absolutely loving them so far. They're fast as hell, crush through pebbles and debris, and have a super buttery slide. They almost slid too well at first, but after an hour or so they settled down and I got used to them.

The graphics do come off really easily, almost like a temporary tattoo. You could wipe the whole thing bare with a rag in seconds if you wanted to, which is a negative for some people but for the "graphics in" crowd it's kind of nice. The V shapes do have some bubbling/pitting but it's only in a few small spots and I kind of like that they have minor flaws that don't affect performance. It shows that they really are hand poured and comes across as honest if that makes any sense.

Overall I think they're really fucking good. I don't think theyre ever going to be super popular like spitfire or bones but that's part of what I like about them. The formula is excellent, the shapes are great, and I think the V shape might even replace my  go-to F4 conical full in a lot of situations. Hopefully they hold up long term as well as F4 does.
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accurate description. I had some of the 56mm conicals too, I reviewed them a few pages back. Actually just picked up another set because I missed them!

Exactly my experience with SML. The AG formula is just a little too soft for me. Really nice wheels but I prefer less bite and a little more slide. The OG formula actually felt like banana peels when I first skated them. I love them. I currently have a set of Suciu slim in OG formula and they are REALLY thin, like pizza cutters. It doesn’t take much for them to cut loose!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MusclesMarinara on May 09, 2020, 10:40:50 AM
Just looking for some insight on some bones v5s or spitfire classics 54mm as they have similar measurements. I currenty ride spitfire F4 classics 101 52mm and they seem to be way too jarring on the streets I ride. Basically just want to know your guys thoughts on what wheel is better on rough crust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Spacetravelisboring on May 09, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
The bubbles are pretty common if you've ever tried hand-pouring urethane or epoxy. It's pretty hard to avoid introducing air/moisture in the mixing/pouring process without a perfectly controlled environment and machinery, but it shouldn't really affect the quality of the wheel. The quality (and amount) of the ingredients is what's most important, so if they're doing small batch hand pours of high quality urethane then the wheels are still going to be good with or without the bubbles.

I used to mess around with a girl who's dad was really into roller skating (he did speed skating trials and shit) and the wheels they used always had bubbles because they used some special urethane that poured really slowly and he wouldn't buy wheels that were perfectly smooth because it was a sign they were using fillers or lower quality urethane. Wheels from the big manufacturers undergo a smoothing and bleaching process to make them look pretty but it doesn't make them skate any better. It's kind of the same thing as any other homebrew process... just because the final presentation isn't as polished doesn't mean the product is inferior quality. I'll take a small batch IPA in a mason jar from someone who knows what they're doing over a budweiser any day.

I haven't tried NFG's wheels so they could be dogshit for all I know, but I wouldn't be scared off by the imperfect casting. If anything its nice to know they're actually hand pouring them and its not just marketing bullshit.


Ipa in a mason jar hahahaha. Typical hipster.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2020, 02:03:21 PM
Just looking for some insight on some bones v5s or spitfire classics 54mm as they have similar measurements. I currenty ride spitfire F4 classics 101 52mm and they seem to be way too jarring on the streets I ride. Basically just want to know your guys thoughts on what wheel is better on rough crust.

V5 in the STF 99 might suit you? I find them better than the F4 99a on shittycrust spots (but only if you don't plan on sliding as the STF 99s are grippier than the F499a).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on May 09, 2020, 10:56:41 PM
would 101d spitfires feel to icy on metal ramps?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 10, 2020, 12:29:01 AM
would 101d spitfires feel to icy on metal ramps?

definitely. well to me the feel icy on everything.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toque on May 10, 2020, 12:40:36 AM
Anybody Tried Jivaro 101s?

Anybody tried Loophole?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Live Fast Johnny on May 10, 2020, 08:08:45 AM
Anybody Tried Jivaro 101s?

Had a set a few years ago.  Just basic hard wheels that wore out pretty quick.  Way better options out there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MusclesMarinara on May 10, 2020, 09:54:29 AM
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Just looking for some insight on some bones v5s or spitfire classics 54mm as they have similar measurements. I currenty ride spitfire F4 classics 101 52mm and they seem to be way too jarring on the streets I ride. Basically just want to know your guys thoughts on what wheel is better on rough crust.
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V5 in the STF 99 might suit you? I find them better than the F4 99a on shittycrust spots (but only if you don't plan on sliding as the STF 99s are grippier than the F499a).

Nice I'll see what I can find online from the shops sites I've been lurking on. Thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on May 10, 2020, 10:13:36 AM
Would the SPF formula be better on crust?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on May 10, 2020, 10:40:50 AM
Would the SPF formula be better on crust?

Not even
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Turtle Boy on May 10, 2020, 10:59:49 AM
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Anyone tried SML? how do they compare to Spitfires?
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
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Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!
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Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.

Just to be sure if I understood, the OG ones are more difficult to powerslide than AG formula? Or they are "harder structuraly", in order to improve the powerslides?
I have been riding STFs for years, and would like to try SML wheels, really like the direction of the brand and most feebacks are really great. I just have difficulties to understand the difference between AG and OG formula (nothing on the website). I understand that the AG seems to feel softer than OG, but i'd like to know which ones slides better. The prices on SML wheels in Europe is really interesting so I want to check it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 10, 2020, 02:30:16 PM
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
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Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!
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Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.
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Just to be sure if I understood, the OG ones are more difficult to powerslide than AG formula? Or they are "harder structuraly", in order to improve the powerslides?
I have been riding STFs for years, and would like to try SML wheels, really like the direction of the brand and most feebacks are really great. I just have difficulties to understand the difference between AG and OG formula (nothing on the website). I understand that the AG seems to feel softer than OG, but i'd like to know which ones slides better. The prices on SML wheels in Europe is really interesting so I want to check it.

OGs definitely harder and more slidy in my experience. If you're coming off stfs you'll probably like OGs more, but personally I really grew to like the AGs after getting used to them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: legion on May 10, 2020, 02:36:52 PM
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
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Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!
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Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.
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Just to be sure if I understood, the OG ones are more difficult to powerslide than AG formula? Or they are "harder structuraly", in order to improve the powerslides?
I have been riding STFs for years, and would like to try SML wheels, really like the direction of the brand and most feebacks are really great. I just have difficulties to understand the difference between AG and OG formula (nothing on the website). I understand that the AG seems to feel softer than OG, but i'd like to know which ones slides better. The prices on SML wheels in Europe is really interesting so I want to check it.
Cliff's made some interesting wheel tech posts relating rebound and slide/grip and it triggered my inner geek. I think he's talking about hysteresis. I think of it as how the wheel deforms to grip an irregular surface. Rebound is a wheel deforming and returning to its original shape, plays into rolling resistance..
Higher rebound = more energy return, should *feel* faster and that might make ppl think they're harder
Higher rebound = more grip, less slide

http://insideracingtechnology.com/tirebkexerpt1.htm
If you want more info try searching for "friction tire rebound hysteresis"


sml's formula names confuse me a lil but I think I have it right. Or backwards... it's a 50-50 chance..

AG formula is more like old Spitfire Classics. Slide well, don't have crazy high rebound, wear more quickly than OG formula.
My confusion is the name, OG seems more fitting to me.

OG formula has higher rebound and is more flatspot resistant. Doesn't slide as well as AG formula. This sounds like it'd be more like a Bones STF.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Turtle Boy on May 11, 2020, 12:43:33 PM

Higher rebound = more energy return, should *feel* faster and that might make ppl think they're harder
Higher rebound = more grip, less slide

I'm not sure about your interpretation, for me high rebound = low hysteresis = low energy loss -> less deformation friction = less grip = more slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on May 11, 2020, 07:33:42 PM
I have an extra set of Loophole 54mm “teardrop” shapes (classic round wheel) if anyone wants em. Brand new never skated. PM me if interested
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weon on May 11, 2020, 08:31:32 PM
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Higher rebound = more energy return, should *feel* faster and that might make ppl think they're harder
Higher rebound = more grip, less slide

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I'm not sure about your interpretation, for me high rebound = low hysteresis = low energy loss -> less deformation friction = less grip = more slide

I feel like deformation is more of a matter of hardness than rebound. assuming they truly are the same hardness, would they deform the same amount yet at different rates? If so, I wonder if it means there’s a smaller window to break into a slide? edit: before the energy is rebounded back into the ground. edit2: trying to mentally theorize this is already giving me a headache.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on May 12, 2020, 02:13:41 PM
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
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Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!
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Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.
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Just to be sure if I understood, the OG ones are more difficult to powerslide than AG formula? Or they are "harder structuraly", in order to improve the powerslides?
I have been riding STFs for years, and would like to try SML wheels, really like the direction of the brand and most feebacks are really great. I just have difficulties to understand the difference between AG and OG formula (nothing on the website). I understand that the AG seems to feel softer than OG, but i'd like to know which ones slides better. The prices on SML wheels in Europe is really interesting so I want to check it.
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Cliff's made some interesting wheel tech posts relating rebound and slide/grip and it triggered my inner geek. I think he's talking about hysteresis. I think of it as how the wheel deforms to grip an irregular surface. Rebound is a wheel deforming and returning to its original shape, plays into rolling resistance..
Higher rebound = more energy return, should *feel* faster and that might make ppl think they're harder
Higher rebound = more grip, less slide

http://insideracingtechnology.com/tirebkexerpt1.htm
If you want more info try searching for "friction tire rebound hysteresis"


sml's formula names confuse me a lil but I think I have it right. Or backwards... it's a 50-50 chance..

AG formula is more like old Spitfire Classics. Slide well, don't have crazy high rebound, wear more quickly than OG formula.
My confusion is the name, OG seems more fitting to me.

OG formula has higher rebound and is more flatspot resistant. Doesn't slide as well as AG formula. This sounds like it'd be more like a Bones STF.

This is correct. The OG's we're our first wheels made by Aend (the use to make the old darkstar dual duros). I wanted high quality and flatspot resistant.   

Austyn specifically wanted something closer to a spitfire classic. hence the AG formula.

I don't know all the technical stuff with all those big words haha.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 12, 2020, 08:09:21 PM
anyone get less pop on bigger wheels or is it in my head? i want to run 56 conical fulls on my big boy but if the pop feel is gonna be drastically different from the 53s im riding now then ill pass.

how many mm's can you guys go up until shit feels off?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Saint Coke on May 12, 2020, 08:13:53 PM
anyone get less pop on bigger wheels or is it in my head? i want to run 56 conical fulls on my big boy but if the pop feel is gonna be drastically different from the 53s im riding now then ill pass.

how many mm's can you guys go up until shit feels off?
Not to derail what you are asking but I am having the same problem, so I have some almost a year old conicals that were 53 but are now 47mm. I want to switch but everything else feels too big. Like I'm addicted to these wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 606 on May 14, 2020, 12:10:36 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CALVk0sgxEg/

I think these red and white Dogtown wheels look great. Offset bearings so would work well on a wider board when you don't have wide enough trucks for centre-set. Or your 80s freestyle set-up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on May 14, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
I would like Pig to offer something to compete with oj elites, bones stf, and spitfire f4. It would be cool if they were actually a good wheel company.

But if they do already make a legit wheel and I'm unaware, please let me know.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Skart on May 14, 2020, 02:35:08 PM
anyone get less pop on bigger wheels or is it in my head? i want to run 56 conical fulls on my big boy but if the pop feel is gonna be drastically different from the 53s im riding now then ill pass.

how many mm's can you guys go up until shit feels off?

Same. Skate more is the answer

52-54 no issue but 56-60 def feel a difference/lack of control from the weakness in legs

Going through it right now. Hoping to get a 8.5 with a sub 14.5 wb to make these 60s tolerable.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 14, 2020, 07:37:23 PM
Has anyone tried Dogtown wheels, both the hard and soft ones?

inb4 "bro just get spitfire f4"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Davethedavedave on May 14, 2020, 10:57:14 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Poseur on May 15, 2020, 05:13:03 AM
Has anyone tried Dogtown wheels, both the hard and soft ones?

inb4 "bro just get spitfire f4"

Bump for this. I'm looking for a good 97a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on May 17, 2020, 01:19:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uxjHdr0.png)

Are these OJs or Bones V1?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gaunting on May 17, 2020, 03:20:15 AM
I would like Pig to offer something to compete with oj elites, bones stf, and spitfire f4. It would be cool if they were actually a good wheel company.

But if they do already make a legit wheel and I'm unaware, please let me know.

yea, pig came out with their “prime” wheels a few months ago. I’ve heard good things.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Alois Hitler Jr. on May 17, 2020, 03:38:11 AM
anyone has any experience with Speedlab wheels? Always thought they look great.
Looking to buy these - 61mm. 28mm riding surface. 99a

(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/Speedlab-Wheels-Artist-series-Jason-Wharton-61mm-99a_280x280.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on May 17, 2020, 09:23:39 AM
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inb4 "bro just get spitfire f4"
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Bump for this. I'm looking for a good 97a.

I’m loving a set of Speedlab Danforth 97a. As they’ve broken in they feel better and better. Highly recommended. Just got a set of their 54mm 99a Slappy Hour and those are sick as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Skart on May 17, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Nbam003 looks like bones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on May 18, 2020, 11:03:49 AM
Was hesitant to skate f4 101s because the 99s were already slick on skatepark terrain but I picked up a set of 101 classics and they've been perfect for the quarantine.

I'm only skating street now because all the parks are closed so the grip to slide ratio on asphalt is perfect.

Check them out if you need a new set of wheels and the shop is sold out of 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 18, 2020, 12:27:02 PM
Was hesitant to skate f4 101s because the 99s were already slick on skatepark terrain but I picked up a set of 101 classics and they've been perfect for the quarantine.

I'm only skating street now because all the parks are closed so the grip to slide ratio on asphalt is perfect.

Check them out if you need a new set of wheels and the shop is sold out of 99.
i love the 101a f4 slide. wish my local had the concical fulls in that duro but my luck was pretty shit that week
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on May 18, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
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Was hesitant to skate f4 101s because the 99s were already slick on skatepark terrain but I picked up a set of 101 classics and they've been perfect for the quarantine.

I'm only skating street now because all the parks are closed so the grip to slide ratio on asphalt is perfect.

Check them out if you need a new set of wheels and the shop is sold out of 99.
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i love the 101a f4 slide. wish my local had the concical fulls in that duro but my luck was pretty shit that week
even on shitty roads you'd still go 101 over 99 with the conical full?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 18, 2020, 01:02:52 PM
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Was hesitant to skate f4 101s because the 99s were already slick on skatepark terrain but I picked up a set of 101 classics and they've been perfect for the quarantine.

I'm only skating street now because all the parks are closed so the grip to slide ratio on asphalt is perfect.

Check them out if you need a new set of wheels and the shop is sold out of 99.
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i love the 101a f4 slide. wish my local had the concical fulls in that duro but my luck was pretty shit that week
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even on shitty roads you'd still go 101 over 99 with the conical full?
for starters, when i tried the radial slims in both duros, i didnt feel much of a gap in comfort on 101a. a hard spit is a hard spit to me, the shape of the wheel has made more of a difference than the duro. radial slims just dont cut it for on rough streets for me at all. i just skated fast and tried not to get pitched by small shit

the shape of the conical fulls make them run over all that small shit and cracks but at times i wish they would break grip more easily for slides. since i dont see much difference in the ride smoothness, its a "sacrifice" id be more than willing to make. id skate 99s if i was skating primarily tranny but thats not the case. when the time comes ill try to suck it up anyways on 101s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on May 18, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
So it’s not too noticeable of a difference? Was thinking about grabbing conical fulls and debating 99vs101. I’ve been liking my 101 tablets but could use a more forgiving shape for crusty east coast hills.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
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inb4 "bro just get spitfire f4"
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Bump for this. I'm looking for a good 97a.

I've ridden a set of their 99a (the Venice/Ocean Park series, got them at my local in Santa Monica); they felt like your typical Aend pour.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 18, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
So it’s not too noticeable of a difference? Was thinking about grabbing conical fulls and debating 99vs101. I’ve been liking my 101 tablets but could use a more forgiving shape for crusty east coast hills.
are the tablets not doing it for you? i got the conical fulls for the same reason as you listed but figured that since the tablets have about the same riding surface, they would be just as good. please let me know if thats not the case
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on May 18, 2020, 06:32:17 PM
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So it’s not too noticeable of a difference? Was thinking about grabbing conical fulls and debating 99vs101. I’ve been liking my 101 tablets but could use a more forgiving shape for crusty east coast hills.
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are the tablets not doing it for you? i got the conical fulls for the same reason as you listed but figured that since the tablets have about the same riding surface, they would be just as good. please let me know if thats not the case
yeah 54mm tablets and conical fulls have the same 22mm riding surface
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 18, 2020, 06:41:32 PM
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So it’s not too noticeable of a difference? Was thinking about grabbing conical fulls and debating 99vs101. I’ve been liking my 101 tablets but could use a more forgiving shape for crusty east coast hills.
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are the tablets not doing it for you? i got the conical fulls for the same reason as you listed but figured that since the tablets have about the same riding surface, they would be just as good. please let me know if thats not the case
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yeah 54mm tablets and conical fulls have the same 22mm riding surface
so they should ride the same but flip different in theory...might be wrong
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on May 18, 2020, 07:32:04 PM
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So it’s not too noticeable of a difference? Was thinking about grabbing conical fulls and debating 99vs101. I’ve been liking my 101 tablets but could use a more forgiving shape for crusty east coast hills.
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are the tablets not doing it for you? i got the conical fulls for the same reason as you listed but figured that since the tablets have about the same riding surface, they would be just as good. please let me know if thats not the case
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yeah 54mm tablets and conical fulls have the same 22mm riding surface
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so they should ride the same but flip different in theory...might be wrong

would the extra width of the conical full change your slide or have a bigger riding surface once broken in? i’ve been loving the tablets so far, especially for street and flat. just not as used to bombing hills in F4s after years of STF.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 18, 2020, 09:42:19 PM
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So it’s not too noticeable of a difference? Was thinking about grabbing conical fulls and debating 99vs101. I’ve been liking my 101 tablets but could use a more forgiving shape for crusty east coast hills.
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are the tablets not doing it for you? i got the conical fulls for the same reason as you listed but figured that since the tablets have about the same riding surface, they would be just as good. please let me know if thats not the case
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yeah 54mm tablets and conical fulls have the same 22mm riding surface
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so they should ride the same but flip different in theory...might be wrong
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would the extra width of the conical full change your slide or have a bigger riding surface once broken in? i’ve been loving the tablets so far, especially for street and flat. just not as used to bombing hills in F4s after years of STF.
its more controllable but needs more deliberation with the 99a. im hoping 101a is easy to break grip yet controllable
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 01, 2020, 05:19:43 PM
People running 54mm or 56mm loophole v-cuts, do you have a width measurement you could share? Contemplating getting a pair.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on June 05, 2020, 06:45:55 PM
Just ordered bones STF99a 54mm V3, pretty excited to see how they feel. I haven’t had bones wheels in a couple years.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 06, 2020, 01:49:40 AM
I usually ride f4 classic shape, 101d. Now I felt like I needed some change so I got conical fulls instead, same size and duro and man these are mad hard to break into slide, felt like I needed some extra effort to get them to slide while usually when changing from old wheels it gets only easier... I measured my old wheels and contact patch was almost similar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 06, 2020, 05:15:05 AM
Just ordered bones STF99a 54mm V3, pretty excited to see how they feel. I haven’t had bones wheels in a couple years.

Was thinking of trying a pair of V3s, but at 54mm they are pretty similar in width and weight to a V1 in 52mm. Ideally I would want them a hair smaller like 51mm. Easy Streets are a nice hardness, the regular 103a is unforgiving.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 06, 2020, 05:56:58 AM
People running 54mm or 56mm loophole v-cuts, do you have a width measurement you could share? Contemplating getting a pair.
I don’t but you should get a pair anyway
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 06, 2020, 07:08:19 AM
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I don’t but you should get a pair anyway

Haha, way ahead of you. Ordered some from
Library, going to be here Monday. NGL I keep going to that picture of your northern board with aces and the 56s. Looks too good.

Edit: always been a 50-53mm person but going to try these with some mellow kicks and hope the ghost pop isn't too much.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: animalflesh on June 06, 2020, 08:44:36 AM
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I don’t but you should get a pair anyway
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Haha, way ahead of you. Ordered some from
Library, going to be here Monday. NGL I keep going to that picture of your northern board with aces and the 56s. Looks too good.

Edit: always been a 50-53mm person but going to try these with some mellow kicks and hope the ghost pop isn't too much.

Let me know? I’ve been on the fence with those
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 06, 2020, 09:14:50 AM
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I don’t but you should get a pair anyway
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Haha, way ahead of you. Ordered some from
Library, going to be here Monday. NGL I keep going to that picture of your northern board with aces and the 56s. Looks too good.

Edit: always been a 50-53mm person but going to try these with some mellow kicks and hope the ghost pop isn't too much.
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Let me know? I’ve been on the fence with those

For sure!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 06, 2020, 09:31:28 AM
Just ordered bones STF99a 54mm V3, pretty excited to see how they feel. I haven’t had bones wheels in a couple years.
I loved mine, all the same but V4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 06, 2020, 02:38:24 PM
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Just ordered bones STF99a 54mm V3, pretty excited to see how they feel. I haven’t had bones wheels in a couple years.
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I loved mine, all the same but V4

V3, V5 and V2 are my favs; setting up some V2s in a day or so (wanted 99a and couldn't find spit tablets anywhere).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 07, 2020, 02:42:02 AM
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I don’t but you should get a pair anyway
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Haha, way ahead of you. Ordered some from
Library, going to be here Monday. NGL I keep going to that picture of your northern board with aces and the 56s. Looks too good.

Edit: always been a 50-53mm person but going to try these with some mellow kicks and hope the ghost pop isn't too much.
sweet, I usually ride 54s, tried the 56 conical loopholes with my last board and hated the ghost pop BUT I just got a new polar with really mellow kick and nose AND it has wheel wells so I bought another pair of 56s. They’re a lot of fun to ride and besides it’s hard to get F4s at the moment anyway...

Edit: shit, thanks for checking out my pic of the northern co board, I thought no one was really digging it. I was out on it today actually with 52mm or so F4s on it, it looked better with the bigger wheels though!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 07, 2020, 05:29:56 AM
People running 54mm or 56mm loophole v-cuts, do you have a width measurement you could share? Contemplating getting a pair.

I'll try to remember to measure when I get home from work today but they're a bit wider than a 54mm conical full. I actually have to run them without speed rings on some trucks because of how "thicc" they are.

Despite the size they don't feel overly heavy and despite being fairly hard they're quite smooth on rough pavement. They're also quite fast and since they're so big and stable I find that I'm more willing to just charge at shit.

If they end up seeming like they're going to be too big NFG also makes a 54mm square shape but they're pretty hard to find.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 07, 2020, 05:46:26 AM
56mm 26.5mm riding surface?

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0247/2158/8279/products/image_0e5f813b-71bf-473e-ab4a-4260fb52212f_grande.jpg (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0247/2158/8279/products/image_0e5f813b-71bf-473e-ab4a-4260fb52212f_grande.jpg?v=1591122938)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 07, 2020, 06:41:14 AM
56mm 26.5mm riding surface?

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0247/2158/8279/products/image_0e5f813b-71bf-473e-ab4a-4260fb52212f_grande.jpg (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0247/2158/8279/products/image_0e5f813b-71bf-473e-ab4a-4260fb52212f_grande.jpg?v=1591122938)


Sick, I meant to say that since I initially posted I went back to the library website and they had that same chart. 35mm overall width.

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I don’t but you should get a pair anyway
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Haha, way ahead of you. Ordered some from
Library, going to be here Monday. NGL I keep going to that picture of your northern board with aces and the 56s. Looks too good.

Edit: always been a 50-53mm person but going to try these with some mellow kicks and hope the ghost pop isn't too much.
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sweet, I usually ride 54s, tried the 56 conical loopholes with my last board and hated the ghost pop BUT I just got a new polar with really mellow kick and nose AND it has wheel wells so I bought another pair of 56s. They’re a lot of fun to ride and besides it’s hard to get F4s at the moment anyway...

Edit: shit, thanks for checking out my pic of the northern co board, I thought no one was really digging it. I was out on it today actually with 52mm or so F4s on it, it looked better with the bigger wheels though!

Yeah, it was a great looking setup! I love south central boards and the 44s with the loopholes was total gear porn. Feeling like 44s with some big wheels will be a winning combo if I can get used to the pop.

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I'll try to remember to measure when I get home from work today but they're a bit wider than a 54mm conical full. I actually have to run them without speed rings on some trucks because of how "thicc" they are.

Despite the size they don't feel overly heavy and despite being fairly hard they're quite smooth on rough pavement. They're also quite fast and since they're so big and stable I find that I'm more willing to just charge at shit.

If they end up seeming like they're going to be too big NFG also makes a 54mm square shape but they're pretty hard to find.


No need, found them above but thanks. I know you're in PGH and you probably have similarly shitty streets to what we have here so that is encouraging.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 07, 2020, 10:02:52 AM
Interesting they’re even beefier than 56mm conical fulls. Post em up when they arrive.

Need to see this northern co set up, GISM, couldn’t find when I searched
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 07, 2020, 11:22:14 AM
Interesting they’re even beefier than 56mm conical fulls. Post em up when they arrive.

Need to see this northern co set up, GISM, couldn’t find when I searched

Will do. Also:

(https://i.imgur.com/CAOEXZt.jpg?1)

Northern Co. 8.38
ACE 44s w/ diamond 1/8 inch risers
Loophole 56mm
Bones Big Balls

Beaten up pair of eS swifts

Looks perfect IMO.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 07, 2020, 11:36:30 AM
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Interesting they’re even beefier than 56mm conical fulls. Post em up when they arrive.

Need to see this northern co set up, GISM, couldn’t find when I searched
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Northern Co. 8.38
ACE 44s w/ diamond 1/8 inch risers
Loophole 56mm
Bones Big Balls

Beaten up pair of eS swifts
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Looks perfect IMO.

Yeah I skipped over that one. Damn. Looks sick, whole kit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on June 07, 2020, 07:29:23 PM
I wanted some wider wheels and felt like trying something new.

54mm OJ Elite Hardline shape 99a

It took about 20 minutes for them to break in but now they feel great.  Slide is nice, grip is good.  I really liked their Insane-a-thane formula as well.  These feel less plasticy and are 100% urethane

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49982947071_3731e7a8d5_z.jpg)
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 08, 2020, 10:59:14 AM
I wanted some wider wheels and felt like trying something new.

54mm OJ Elite Hardline shape 99a

It took about 20 minutes for them to break in but now they feel great.  Slide is nice, grip is good.  I really liked their Insane-a-thane formula as well.  These feel less plasticy and are 100% urethane

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49982947071_3731e7a8d5_z.jpg)
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I'm skating 54 hardlines in 101a (on Indys to boot), I was surprised how grippy they were compared to the 99a Spit lockins I was riding (same session so same surface).

Also they arguably locked-in just as well as the spit lockins did.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on June 08, 2020, 02:00:23 PM
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I wanted some wider wheels and felt like trying something new.

54mm OJ Elite Hardline shape 99a

It took about 20 minutes for them to break in but now they feel great.  Slide is nice, grip is good.  I really liked their Insane-a-thane formula as well.  These feel less plasticy and are 100% urethane

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49982947071_3731e7a8d5_z.jpg)
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I'm skating 54 hardlines in 101a (on Indys to boot), I was surprised how grippy they were compared to the 99a Spit lockins I was riding (same session so same surface).

Also they arguably locked-in just as well as the spit lockins did.

If I could do it over again I would have gotten the 101s.  Looking forward to trying the 99s in slippery parks though
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Post by: Xen on June 08, 2020, 05:07:23 PM
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I wanted some wider wheels and felt like trying something new.

54mm OJ Elite Hardline shape 99a

It took about 20 minutes for them to break in but now they feel great.  Slide is nice, grip is good.  I really liked their Insane-a-thane formula as well.  These feel less plasticy and are 100% urethane

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I'm skating 54 hardlines in 101a (on Indys to boot), I was surprised how grippy they were compared to the 99a Spit lockins I was riding (same session so same surface).

Also they arguably locked-in just as well as the spit lockins did.
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If I could do it over again I would have gotten the 101s.  Looking forward to trying the 99s in slippery parks though

I think I need to swap my bearings as well (using Zealous with thick grease with built-in spacers) so the board kind has that plank-dull-thud to it so I can't really feel if there is any chatter to them.

I'm fan of the insane-a-thane and the hardline shape + Dressen + I rode the old school Street/Concrete Razors so bit of a nostalgia trip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on June 09, 2020, 05:54:03 AM
I wanted some wider wheels and felt like trying something new.

54mm OJ Elite Hardline shape 99a

It took about 20 minutes for them to break in but now they feel great.  Slide is nice, grip is good.  I really liked their Insane-a-thane formula as well.  These feel less plasticy and are 100% urethane

Yeah I recently got a set of 54mm OJ "from concentrate" and was really impressed with them. They might be the best price point wheel I've tried and I'm a big fan of the hard-line shape as well. I have some creature/oj bloodsuckers that are 56mm 97a hardline and they're one of my favorite fall wheels when there's a lot of acorns and leaves around. Great balance of grip and slide.

No need, found them above but thanks. I know you're in PGH and you probably have similarly shitty streets to what we have here so that is encouraging.

Well I measured them before I read your reply so I'm going to tell you whether you want me to or not. This is with a super cheap set of calipers I got on Amazon so it might not be the most precise -

Width - 33.7mm
Cp - 27.3mm

 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on June 09, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
Anyone ever rode 58-60mm wheels on some Ace 44's with an 1/8" riser? I'm curious to try a whacky set-up like that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on June 09, 2020, 02:46:24 PM
I tried ACE 44s with 60mm Slimeballs and 1/8" risers and found that I got too much wheelbite. I'd recommend 1/4" risers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 09, 2020, 05:55:23 PM
I tried ACE 44s with 60mm Slimeballs and 1/8" risers and found that I got too much wheelbite. I'd recommend 1/4" risers.
good specific insight, as usual.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 09, 2020, 09:25:11 PM
i have a set of 51 spitfire tablets on the way and now im having massive anxiety about the difference. it's been ten years riding the bones v3 shape so it's a leap of faith for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Not Local on June 09, 2020, 09:34:56 PM
I tried ACE 44s with 60mm Slimeballs and 1/8" risers and found that I got too much wheelbite. I'd recommend 1/4" risers.

Depends on deck width also. The wider the board the more leverage, the more chance of wheel bite. And, depending on the shape of the concave sometimes wheel bite is reduced a bit if the trucks line up with where the concave bends.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toque on June 09, 2020, 10:02:20 PM
I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on June 09, 2020, 10:25:58 PM
I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds
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Post by: toque on June 09, 2020, 10:54:13 PM
Got 53/54 which feels perfect. Hard to find a wider 53. Wish they made that Mike Anderson SFW in a 101
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 09, 2020, 11:03:37 PM
i have a set of 51 spitfire tablets on the way and now im having massive anxiety about the difference. it's been ten years riding the bones v3 shape so it's a leap of faith for me

Never skated a tablet shape and have been tempted to give them a try but, I don’t get tech and just skate curbs.
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Post by: Stigmata on June 10, 2020, 05:39:49 AM
Im always getting stuck choosing between Slimeballs vs Spitfire OG Classics...or F4 Classics vs F4 Conical Fulls
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 10, 2020, 06:13:06 AM
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i have a set of 51 spitfire tablets on the way and now im having massive anxiety about the difference. it's been ten years riding the bones v3 shape so it's a leap of faith for me
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Never skated a tablet shape and have been tempted to give them a try but, I don’t get tech and just skate curbs.

I was adamantly a classics-only person forever, but I ended up with tablets when I couldn't get my usual. I didn't have any extra difficulty getting onto curbs and the lock-in really helped me stick things longer. Definitely changed my view on wheels and I have zero interest in going back to anything with a round edge.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on June 10, 2020, 09:11:39 AM
Heading to a crusty east coast beach for a week. Only bringing one board. Should I throw my OJ key frames on? Do you think 99 F4 54 would work fine for some daily flat ground?
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Post by: munchbox on June 10, 2020, 09:16:46 AM
Heading to a crusty east coast beach for a week. Only bringing one board. Should I throw my OJ key frames on? Do you think 99 F4 54 would work fine for some daily flat ground?
unless you plan on cruising the F4s should be fine
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Post by: sadnocomply on June 10, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
Debating on 55 tablets or 56 conicals. Also always been a 99a guy but possibly wanna try 101a don’t really know what my heart desires? help me decide
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Post by: jay_nev on June 10, 2020, 05:12:00 PM
Debating on 55 tablets or 56 conicals. Also always been a 99a guy but possibly wanna try 101a don’t really know what my heart desires? help me decide
was a similar boat. Got 99a 54 and 56 conical fulls bc I couldn’t decide and the drought.

Am I crazy for 56mm conical fulls with 6.1 (97a supercush) and no risers on a 9” pop
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Post by: Big Baby Jesus on June 10, 2020, 05:23:54 PM
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Debating on 55 tablets or 56 conicals. Also always been a 99a guy but possibly wanna try 101a don’t really know what my heart desires? help me decide
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was a similar boat. Got 99a 54 and 56 conical fulls bc I couldn’t decide and the drought.

Am I crazy for 56mm conical fulls with 6.1 (97a supercush) and no risers on a 9” pop

Where'd you get your 97a supercush?
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Post by: jay_nev on June 10, 2020, 05:26:59 PM
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was a similar boat. Got 99a 54 and 56 conical fulls bc I couldn’t decide and the drought.

Am I crazy for 56mm conical fulls with 6.1 (97a supercush) and no risers on a 9” pop
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Where'd you get your 97a supercush?
http://www.groundandsea.com/deluxe-supercush-bushings-97du-purple-skateboard-bushings/

Dat purple
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Post by: Richard Skidder on June 10, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
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unless you plan on cruising the F4s should be fine
Awesome, man. Thanks!
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Post by: johnes on June 10, 2020, 06:40:54 PM
Bones 99s feel great so far.
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Post by: tzhangdox on June 10, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
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I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
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what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds

Why would u want it to feel icy at high speeds though thats just dangerous
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 10, 2020, 10:48:32 PM
I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.

Top shop.

I think fresh deck, tore up trucks, fresh wheels is the ultimate aesthetic combination. There was a board posted in the setups a long time ago, rosemont? Something like that was the name of the deck, fairly grooved indys, and brand new spitfire classics. Looked so fucking nice.
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Post by: Big Baby Jesus on June 11, 2020, 07:32:44 AM
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Debating on 55 tablets or 56 conicals. Also always been a 99a guy but possibly wanna try 101a don’t really know what my heart desires? help me decide
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was a similar boat. Got 99a 54 and 56 conical fulls bc I couldn’t decide and the drought.

Am I crazy for 56mm conical fulls with 6.1 (97a supercush) and no risers on a 9” pop
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Where'd you get your 97a supercush?
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http://www.groundandsea.com/deluxe-supercush-bushings-97du-purple-skateboard-bushings/

Dat purple

Thanks. I'd seen them on that site but wasn't sure if they were reputable or not.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on June 11, 2020, 02:05:21 PM
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I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
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what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds
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Why would u want it to feel icy at high speeds though thats just dangerous
speed checks with the 99a havent been as smooth for me with the 99 conical fulls. they break grip better at lower speeds in my experience

only time i ever eat it on hills is if i try to slide and the wheels stick
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 11, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
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I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
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what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds
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Why would u want it to feel icy at high speeds though thats just dangerous
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speed checks with the 99a havent been as smooth for me with the 99 conical fulls. they break grip better at lower speeds in my experience

only time i ever eat it on hills is if i try to slide and the wheels stick

Interesting. Complete opposite for me. Hate it when wheels are too icy, feels like powersliding doesn't even slow you down at all and theres no resistance. Have never eaten it due to wheels sticking but have slipped out due to the wheels being too slippery. 99 f4s and bones stfs are good, but 101 f4s are too slick for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toque on June 11, 2020, 04:57:16 PM
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I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
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what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds
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Why would u want it to feel icy at high speeds though thats just dangerous
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speed checks with the 99a havent been as smooth for me with the 99 conical fulls. they break grip better at lower speeds in my experience

only time i ever eat it on hills is if i try to slide and the wheels stick
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Interesting. Complete opposite for me. Hate it when wheels are too icy, feels like powersliding doesn't even slow you down at all and theres no resistance. Have never eaten it due to wheels sticking but have slipped out due to the wheels being too slippery. 99 f4s and bones stfs are good, but 101 f4s are too slick for me.

yeah I went to slide the other day going pretty fast and it just didn't go and I awkwardly wobbled out of it. Almost ate shit and it scared the hell out of me. I never really find myself in a situation where I have to take a super tight corner at high speeds and I like to be able to slide without too much effort. I'm also real tall and 215 pounds so that might change the dynamics there a bit? Not really sure. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on June 11, 2020, 10:12:09 PM
I have wheels on a few different transportation tools I own and they are more efficient than not having wheels on them. So I’m grateful for wheels.
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Post by: Krooked antihero on June 12, 2020, 08:14:25 AM
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I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
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what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds
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Why would u want it to feel icy at high speeds though thats just dangerous
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speed checks with the 99a havent been as smooth for me with the 99 conical fulls. they break grip better at lower speeds in my experience

only time i ever eat it on hills is if i try to slide and the wheels stick
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Interesting. Complete opposite for me. Hate it when wheels are too icy, feels like powersliding doesn't even slow you down at all and theres no resistance. Have never eaten it due to wheels sticking but have slipped out due to the wheels being too slippery. 99 f4s and bones stfs are good, but 101 f4s are too slick for me.
Like Ishod said: better to slip out than stick, always. 101a ftw. 
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Post by: Xen on June 12, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
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I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
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what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds
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Why would u want it to feel icy at high speeds though thats just dangerous
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speed checks with the 99a havent been as smooth for me with the 99 conical fulls. they break grip better at lower speeds in my experience

only time i ever eat it on hills is if i try to slide and the wheels stick
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Interesting. Complete opposite for me. Hate it when wheels are too icy, feels like powersliding doesn't even slow you down at all and theres no resistance. Have never eaten it due to wheels sticking but have slipped out due to the wheels being too slippery. 99 f4s and bones stfs are good, but 101 f4s are too slick for me.
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Like Ishod said: better to slip out than stick, always. 101a ftw.

It's hard to argue that to be honest. I prefer 101a but sometimes you gotta rock the 99s based on the terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 12, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
Got a set of Loophole 56mm V-Cuts from Library the other day and finally got to skate them today. I know a couple people (Gay Imp Sausage Metal and Buttfart Rapedick) had posted some thoughts already, but here are my two cents after about an hour:

For reference, I usually skate 99 F4s, 51-53mm (currently 52mm conical fulls). I set these up on a pretty normal setup for me, a DOA 8.5" flat with Ace 44s and no risers. I was worried about ghost pop from going up so much, but these actually felt really nice with the mellow kicks.

As far as the wheels themselves go, they're really nice. I get the F4 comparison for sure, but these feel smoother and the slide has a lot less bark. Still just as fast, though, and just as easy to break into a slide. And even though they're technically a harder durometer, they dodn't feel more glassy or anything like that. One thing that is super cool is that they seem to roll through weelbite really easily, and even when I could really feel it I didn't get pitched.

As other have mentioned, these have bubbles and cosmetic flaws. And yeah, you could seriously rub the graphic off with a paper towel. I am into that though, as it adds to their charm.

(https://i.imgur.com/i69cxdr.jpg)

I am going to stick with these for now. They're different from F4s but they still have many of the characteristics that I like and they feel even better on shitty, crusty ground. I'll report back as they go.

Edit: I feel like I might have to take the spitfire sticker off this board though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 12, 2020, 01:44:36 PM
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I always want to try and give my money to somebody smaller. I've tried Loophole, Dialtone, Jivaro, and SML recently. Liked Dialtone the best but they were still a little soft for me and wore out a bit quicker than I expected. On SML now and they're hugging the ground way too much for my liking and feel inconsistent on slides which freaks me out being in SF. I thought I was getting OG formula but the little cardboard insert said AG formula...still not sure what the exact difference is. Also felt weird as hell to put new wheels and bearings on trucks that are super beat up and kinda squirrelly. That's obviously no fault on SML though.

Anyway, finally broke down and ordered 3 sets of Spitfire 101 Conical Fulls from 35th Ave to quell the gear crisis. They're just the perfect wheels for me. Nice and stable and break into a slide really easy which is perfect cause I get shook on hills and want to be able to speed check easily.
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what mm? i want to get some 101a spits either conical full or tablet next for hills and the slide. just ate a car door for dinner last night on a bs powerslide, 99a can break grip but doesnt feel icy at high speeds
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Why would u want it to feel icy at high speeds though thats just dangerous
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speed checks with the 99a havent been as smooth for me with the 99 conical fulls. they break grip better at lower speeds in my experience

only time i ever eat it on hills is if i try to slide and the wheels stick
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Interesting. Complete opposite for me. Hate it when wheels are too icy, feels like powersliding doesn't even slow you down at all and theres no resistance. Have never eaten it due to wheels sticking but have slipped out due to the wheels being too slippery. 99 f4s and bones stfs are good, but 101 f4s are too slick for me.
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yeah I went to slide the other day going pretty fast and it just didn't go and I awkwardly wobbled out of it. Almost ate shit and it scared the hell out of me. I never really find myself in a situation where I have to take a super tight corner at high speeds and I like to be able to slide without too much effort. I'm also real tall and 215 pounds so that might change the dynamics there a bit? Not really sure.

I'm about 190 and 6 5. For me if I'm taking a corner at high speed having no grip would scare the shit out of me. I agree with the statement that slip out is wayyyy better than sticking every single time, but even with 99 f4s, or even SML AG formula (which feels like classics), I've never even come remotely close to sticking when bombing anything substantial, but rather slipping out on a long slide is more likely. Maybe I powerslide differently? idk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 12, 2020, 03:35:56 PM
Got a set of Loophole 56mm V-Cuts from Library the other day and finally got to skate them today. I know a couple people (Gay Imp Sausage Metal and Buttfart Rapedick) had posted some thoughts already, but here are my two cents after about an hour:

For reference, I usually skate 99 F4s, 51-53mm (currently 52mm conical fulls). I set these up on a pretty normal setup for me, a DOA 8.5" flat with Ace 44s and no risers. I was worried about ghost pop from going up so much, but these actually felt really nice with the mellow kicks.

As far as the wheels themselves go, they're really nice. I get the F4 comparison for sure, but these feel smoother and the slide has a lot less bark. Still just as fast, though, and just as easy to break into a slide. And even though they're technically a harder durometer, they dodn't feel more glassy or anything like that. One thing that is super cool is that they seem to roll through weelbite really easily, and even when I could really feel it I didn't get pitched.

As other have mentioned, these have bubbles and cosmetic flaws. And yeah, you could seriously rub the graphic off with a paper towel. I am into that though, as it adds to their charm.

(https://i.imgur.com/i69cxdr.jpg)

I am going to stick with these for now. They're different from F4s but they still have many of the characteristics that I like and they feel even better on shitty, crusty ground. I'll report back as they go.

Edit: I feel like I might have to take the spitfire sticker off this board though.
they look great in that setup! I actually picked up another pair because I was pretty harsh on them last time I renewed them but they just didn’t work for the particular deck I was riding. Have a polar with wheel wells that I’m going to put them on, really looking forward to rolling around on them again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 12, 2020, 03:57:35 PM
How yellow do loopholes get compared to f4s? in some product pics they look brown out the box but in this pic they look pretty chill ^
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 12, 2020, 05:13:56 PM
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Got a set of Loophole 56mm V-Cuts from Library the other day and finally got to skate them today. I know a couple people (Gay Imp Sausage Metal and Buttfart Rapedick) had posted some thoughts already, but here are my two cents after about an hour:

For reference, I usually skate 99 F4s, 51-53mm (currently 52mm conical fulls). I set these up on a pretty normal setup for me, a DOA 8.5" flat with Ace 44s and no risers. I was worried about ghost pop from going up so much, but these actually felt really nice with the mellow kicks.

As far as the wheels themselves go, they're really nice. I get the F4 comparison for sure, but these feel smoother and the slide has a lot less bark. Still just as fast, though, and just as easy to break into a slide. And even though they're technically a harder durometer, they dodn't feel more glassy or anything like that. One thing that is super cool is that they seem to roll through weelbite really easily, and even when I could really feel it I didn't get pitched.

As other have mentioned, these have bubbles and cosmetic flaws. And yeah, you could seriously rub the graphic off with a paper towel. I am into that though, as it adds to their charm.

(https://i.imgur.com/i69cxdr.jpg)

I am going to stick with these for now. They're different from F4s but they still have many of the characteristics that I like and they feel even better on shitty, crusty ground. I'll report back as they go.

Edit: I feel like I might have to take the spitfire sticker off this board though.
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they look great in that setup! I actually picked up another pair because I was pretty harsh on them last time I renewed them but they just didn’t work for the particular deck I was riding. Have a polar with wheel wells that I’m going to put them on, really looking forward to rolling around on them again

Thanks! Yeah, I could totally see getting bad ghost pop on wheels this big if my board wasn't mellow and I wasn't on 52mm Ace. Took them for another spin and I see what you mean about them getting dirty fast.

How yellow do loopholes get compared to f4s? in some product pics they look brown out the box but in this pic they look pretty chill ^

These were a little lighter than F4s out of the wrapper. I'll let you know as they progress.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 12, 2020, 07:37:56 PM
Library is legit. I have 56mm conical fulls I’m debating setting up with 6.1’s, but seeing those wheelbite marks has me wondering.. How loose are your 44’s? And yeah also ghost pop. All the comments of them being smoother on shit ground has me very intrigued. Are they not 99a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 12, 2020, 08:02:07 PM
So the bite marks are actually from 3 different truck/wheel combos:

Ace 55s with F4 51mm tablets
Ace 44s with F4 52mm conical fulls
Ace 44s with loophole 56mm v-cutS

I ride my aces stock tight and end up with wheelbite marks no matter what size I'm running so take them with a grain of salt. The ones on the right look extra bad just because that's the spot where the marks from all three setups blend together and look super crazy. I think the marks on the left are actually from the other smaller wheels and the 56s haven't bit on that side yet.

I want to say they use the D-scale to measure during and are 52d (lines up with about 101a). That being said, the numbers can be pretty relative and I've skated 101s that were sticky as hell. Part of it might me that I was skating some crusty ass ground, and they could perform completely different at a smooth skatepark.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on June 12, 2020, 08:08:52 PM
Anyone know the factory Dogtown has their wheels made? Possibly "Creative Urethane"?
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Post by: weedgod94 on June 13, 2020, 12:14:24 AM
Anyone know the factory Dogtown has their wheels made? Possibly "Creative Urethane"?
they might make different wheels at different places, but a google image search is showing me a lot of wheels with stock AEND cores
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 13, 2020, 01:04:24 AM
Just got some sml 52mm AG formula for a tech old man board I’m going to setup. Can’t remember the difference between the two formulas, is the AG closer to F4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on June 13, 2020, 01:10:55 AM
Just got some sml 52mm AG formula for a tech old man board I’m going to setup. Can’t remember the difference between the two formulas, is the AG closer to F4s?

OG is closer to F4's from what I remember
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 13, 2020, 01:25:04 AM
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Just got some sml 52mm AG formula for a tech old man board I’m going to setup. Can’t remember the difference between the two formulas, is the AG closer to F4s?
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OG is closer to F4's from what I remember
oh shit! Guess it doesn’t matter, I bought them for less than half price because I have a tonne of points on a online shopping site over here and I can’t find any F4s in Japan at the moment anyway, or at least not for under $100!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 13, 2020, 03:41:05 AM
Found this nerd talk!!!
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Anyone tried SML? how do they compare to Spitfires?
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
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Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!
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Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.
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Just to be sure if I understood, the OG ones are more difficult to powerslide than AG formula? Or they are "harder structuraly", in order to improve the powerslides?
I have been riding STFs for years, and would like to try SML wheels, really like the direction of the brand and most feebacks are really great. I just have difficulties to understand the difference between AG and OG formula (nothing on the website). I understand that the AG seems to feel softer than OG, but i'd like to know which ones slides better. The prices on SML wheels in Europe is really interesting so I want to check it.
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Cliff's made some interesting wheel tech posts relating rebound and slide/grip and it triggered my inner geek. I think he's talking about hysteresis. I think of it as how the wheel deforms to grip an irregular surface. Rebound is a wheel deforming and returning to its original shape, plays into rolling resistance..
Higher rebound = more energy return, should *feel* faster and that might make ppl think they're harder
Higher rebound = more grip, less slide

http://insideracingtechnology.com/tirebkexerpt1.htm
If you want more info try searching for "friction tire rebound hysteresis"


sml's formula names confuse me a lil but I think I have it right. Or backwards... it's a 50-50 chance..

AG formula is more like old Spitfire Classics. Slide well, don't have crazy high rebound, wear more quickly than OG formula.
My confusion is the name, OG seems more fitting to me.

OG formula has higher rebound and is more flatspot resistant. Doesn't slide as well as AG formula. This sounds like it'd be more like a Bones STF.
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This is correct. The OG's we're our first wheels made by Aend (the use to make the old darkstar dual duros). I wanted high quality and flatspot resistant.   

Austyn specifically wanted something closer to a spitfire classic. hence the AG formula.

I don't know all the technical stuff with all those big words haha.
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Post by: Sila on June 13, 2020, 03:49:40 AM
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Anyone tried SML? how do they compare to Spitfires?
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Good timing, I'm just about done skating my second pair of SML AG 52mm v-cut 99as, these ones:
https://www.tactics.com/sml/grocery-bag-ii-v-cut-skateboard-wheels

Really like them once the tread goes away (why do wheels still come with tread???), feel slightly softer than 99a f4s, maybe a hair better on rough ground, really like the way they slide, very controlled, just as good as f4s imo. Felt just as good bombing hills and doing bluntslides. Maybe a little less flatspot resistant compared to f4s, I got a few small ones that went away quickly (though for context I also flatspot f4s regularly so...). If we're splitting hairs maybe a tiny bit grippier. The conical ish shape is good too, though would be curious to try the classics lookin og-wides in the future.

My next set of wheels are some f4s just because I wanted to skate radial slims again, but in the future I definitely see myself skating these again regularly and probably over f4s if I can find them either for cheaper or in the og wides. Good to support a smaller company, and I like the colour or the urethane a lot more, much less yellow and ever so slightly translucent like classics kinda. Though if you skate really dirty terrain the dirt seems to stick to the wheel a bit more. If I had to compare them to anything I'd say maybe a hybrid of a spitfire classic and an f4? With the riding feel and appearance leaning closer towards classics, and the slide and performance leaning towards f4s.
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Wow! Appreciate the in depth review!

The Grocery Bags are Austyn's preferred formula. We get them from Creative and they're the closest thing to the older Spitfire Classic's. Our OG formula is closer to an F4 or Bones STF from what I have personally tried. Way more flat spot resistant.

As a small brand (pun intended ha) we are really hyped to hear these kinds of reviews and see what people really think.

Much love SLAP fam and Shalom!
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Of course! Super hyped on them. If I understand correctly, there are two sml formulas? The AG is the one I skated and then there's the OG which is harder and more flatspot resistant?

I had a set of these a few years ago https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/sml-wheels-gillette-commies-og-wide-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p31344. I think they were the harder ones. They were noticeably harder, slid great, felt more like an stf or 101 f4. But like the 101 f4s, a bit too hard and a little rattly on rough ground for me. I definitely prefer the AG formula but these would be great for many people too if they value absolute flatspot resistance and the slidyness (though I don't find any of these really lacking in the AG).

If anything to improve on at all, I'd just say lose the tread if possible but thats a minor issue that only lasts a few days. More shapes would be cool (something like a radial slim maybe). But for a two shape selection, the og wide (classic style) and v-cut (conical style) combo both seem like great choices.

Highly recommended, shalom!
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Technically they're not harder. Both are 99a (which can also vary slightly from batch to batch because of the chemistry)

The OG's have a higher rebound and are a little harder to power slide. We get them from Aend (use to make the old Darkstar duel duros) Super good quality and are harder to flat spot.
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Just to be sure if I understood, the OG ones are more difficult to powerslide than AG formula? Or they are "harder structuraly", in order to improve the powerslides?
I have been riding STFs for years, and would like to try SML wheels, really like the direction of the brand and most feebacks are really great. I just have difficulties to understand the difference between AG and OG formula (nothing on the website). I understand that the AG seems to feel softer than OG, but i'd like to know which ones slides better. The prices on SML wheels in Europe is really interesting so I want to check it.
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Cliff's made some interesting wheel tech posts relating rebound and slide/grip and it triggered my inner geek. I think he's talking about hysteresis. I think of it as how the wheel deforms to grip an irregular surface. Rebound is a wheel deforming and returning to its original shape, plays into rolling resistance..
Higher rebound = more energy return, should *feel* faster and that might make ppl think they're harder
Higher rebound = more grip, less slide

http://insideracingtechnology.com/tirebkexerpt1.htm
If you want more info try searching for "friction tire rebound hysteresis"


sml's formula names confuse me a lil but I think I have it right. Or backwards... it's a 50-50 chance..

AG formula is more like old Spitfire Classics. Slide well, don't have crazy high rebound, wear more quickly than OG formula.
My confusion is the name, OG seems more fitting to me.

OG formula has higher rebound and is more flatspot resistant. Doesn't slide as well as AG formula. This sounds like it'd be more like a Bones STF.
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This is correct. The OG's we're our first wheels made by Aend (the use to make the old darkstar dual duros). I wanted high quality and flatspot resistant.   

Austyn specifically wanted something closer to a spitfire classic. hence the AG formula.

I don't know all the technical stuff with all those big words haha.
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I'm riding some of the OG formula V-Cuts in 99a at the moment. Definitely good wheels and worth buying but I think I might try the AG formula for my next set. Just not feeling the slide on these 100%. They don't have the 'bite' that I like to feel when sliding.
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Post by: johnes on June 21, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
Bones stf 99a feel good sofar, but I’m not sure that I think they are better than white Minilogo 101 wheels.
The bones have a nice slide and good grip and a smooth ride but side to side with a set of ML 101 CCuts on my extra set up, they feel pretty similar.

Bones 99 is grippier than F4 99
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 21, 2020, 09:11:56 PM
my sml wheels are broken in now; not too shabby at all. Not as slippery as F4 99s but they feel pretty solid
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 22, 2020, 06:56:36 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBvPp-Hl590/?igshid=x1fcqthtx3xs
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Post by: yourbreakfsat on June 22, 2020, 01:54:12 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBvPp-Hl590/?igshid=x1fcqthtx3xs

We will all be skating just bearings at the end of the year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayB62524cg4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 22, 2020, 02:16:46 PM
Is this when people start buying from smaller name/shitty brands?
Anyone skate Pig Prime yet?
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Post by: Xen on June 22, 2020, 02:23:05 PM
Is this when people start buying from smaller name/shitty brands?
Anyone skate Pig Prime yet?

Probably.

.sml
Crupie
Autobahn
Waywards

^ will probably get more traction over say, Pig or OJ/Ricta
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 22, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
Loopholes and sml were my last two purchases
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Post by: yourbreakfsat on June 22, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
Is this when people start buying from smaller name/shitty brands?
Anyone skate Pig Prime yet?

Absolutely. Bones and Spitfire wheel stock will dry up fast due to stockpiling panic and no restocks, leaving lesser known brands being the only option since they don't sell out as fast.

My local has been stocking a lot of Dogtown and Underground Wheel Co. (no idea who these guys are) wheels since they can't get Spitfire/Bones.

Honestly I'd say this is a nice change in the wheel world, since Bones and Spitfire can't dominate anymore during this time period and smaller brands will become more popular. Maybe we'll find a wheel that can fully compete with STFs/F4s.
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Post by: Xen on June 22, 2020, 05:21:44 PM
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Anyone skate Pig Prime yet?
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Absolutely. Bones and Spitfire wheel stock will dry up fast due to stockpiling panic and no restocks, leaving lesser known brands being the only option since they don't sell out as fast.

My local has been stocking a lot of Dogtown and Underground Wheel Co. (no idea who these guys are) wheels since they can't get Spitfire/Bones.

Honestly I'd say this is a nice change in the wheel world, since Bones and Spitfire can't dominate anymore during this time period and smaller brands will become more popular. Maybe we'll find a wheel that can fully compete with STFs/F4s.

Dogtown is poured at Mearthane I believe. I have a set on my kids' board as of a few days ago (they're an older set from two years ago) they feel really nice for a 99a, they have more of a classic spit sound to them but are grippier (they feel like .sml wheels to me, which given where both are poured, makes sense).


https://www.fullcircledistribution.com/collections/autobahn-wheel-co
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on June 22, 2020, 05:37:10 PM
I have a set of 58mm spit classics in my freezer so I should be good for a couple years.
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Post by: TwisT on June 22, 2020, 06:14:54 PM
One of the local shops had a full a ton of autobahn, some globe dual duros. Minilogo and 2 pair of 55mm spitfires.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 22, 2020, 08:07:58 PM
So what are the Slap official 2020 Wheel Drought Go-To Alternatives?
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 22, 2020, 08:11:12 PM
So what are the Slap official 2020 Wheel Drought Go-To Alternatives?

Loophole, NFGMFG and Dial tone are all nice
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 22, 2020, 08:58:37 PM
the boardy cakes came in today, i have a really good feeling about them. gotta send the tablets back, they looks like they sat too long in a hot room plus they are defective. the super reds were an impulse buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/NKLV2mI.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 23, 2020, 03:24:55 AM
the boardy cakes came in today, i have a really good feeling about them. gotta send the tablets back, they looks like they sat too long in a hot room plus they are defective. the super reds were an impulse buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/NKLV2mI.jpg)
what happened to the tablets? Mine were delivered on a hot day that was most likely 100°+ on the delivery truck. Not sure what changed but that night I couldn’t even get bearings in them
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Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on June 23, 2020, 04:13:18 AM
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the boardy cakes came in today, i have a really good feeling about them. gotta send the tablets back, they looks like they sat too long in a hot room plus they are defective. the super reds were an impulse buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/NKLV2mI.jpg)
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what happened to the tablets? Mine were delivered on a hot day that was most likely 100°+ on the delivery truck. Not sure what changed but that night I couldn’t even get bearings in them


as soon as i opened the gift i spotted this odd very small rust colored cut on the riding surface which leads to this odd bump on the flatside and there's weird lines all through the wheel. like something went wrong went they were made and to top it off they must have sit around for a long time because there are something resembling pressure cracks on the inside where the bearings sit.

i got in touch with spitfire on IG but the email they provided me with has yielded no help. i can't skate these and i really want to because i just noticed the riding surface is the same as the worn ass v3s im riding 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on June 23, 2020, 10:39:35 AM
anyone fucked with Wayward? looking at these

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/waypoint-blue-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p48856
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 23, 2020, 11:00:41 AM
anyone fucked with Wayward? looking at these

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/waypoint-blue-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p48856

found this via search
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anyone ever tried wayward? I’m thinking about pullin the trigger, but I’ve ridden nothing but spitfire for the past 15 years. worth it?
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Waywards are great all terrain wheels, they felt a little slow in smooth parks for me, on transition anyway. Seemed fine for everything else. Have a spit f4 like feel to them, maybe a bit softer/grippier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on June 23, 2020, 11:16:51 AM
5000 set of minilogo wheels were recently sent out to shops around the US and maybe outside the US , not sure how many bones but I think they also recently shipped out lots of sets to shops too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CByI-_ZFNT7/?igshid=k1gu8xs08nqc
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 23, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
5000 set of minilogo wheels were sent out to shops around the US and world, not sure how many bones but I think they also recently shipped out lots of sets to shops too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CByI-_ZFNT7/?igshid=k1gu8xs08nqc

yay.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 23, 2020, 12:28:44 PM
Those 100's worth getting for city (not smooth) streets?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2020, 01:53:12 PM
Those 100's worth getting for city (not smooth) streets?

If price is a concern maybe?

I'd rather get some STF 99a than the 100s as the STFs will be more durable long term.

No one really what the bones 100a formula is compared to Mini logos 90a/95a/101a or STF99a/103b - Bones pushes the 100s as the 'oigional' formula and as a pricepoint wheel.
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Post by: jay_nev on June 23, 2020, 02:10:47 PM
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If price is a concern maybe?

I'd rather get some STF 99a than the 100s as the STFs will be more durable long term.

No one really what the bones 100a formula is compared to Mini logos 90a/95a/101a or STF99a/103b - Bones pushes the 100s as the 'oigional' formula and as a pricepoint wheel.
So more like a classic formula spitfire though? i know those are a bit softer than the 99a/101a F4's, asking if its relative to the bones STF as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on June 23, 2020, 06:47:06 PM
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Those 100's worth getting for city (not smooth) streets?
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If price is a concern maybe?

I'd rather get some STF 99a than the 100s as the STFs will be more durable long term.

No one really what the bones 100a formula is compared to Mini logos 90a/95a/101a or STF99a/103b - Bones pushes the 100s as the 'oigional' formula and as a pricepoint wheel.
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So more like a classic formula spitfire though? i know those are a bit softer than the 99a/101a F4's, asking if its relative to the bones STF as well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if bones 100s are super similar to Minilogo wheels. Unless the 100s are made in the US
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2020, 06:50:25 PM
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Those 100's worth getting for city (not smooth) streets?
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If price is a concern maybe?

I'd rather get some STF 99a than the 100s as the STFs will be more durable long term.

No one really what the bones 100a formula is compared to Mini logos 90a/95a/101a or STF99a/103b - Bones pushes the 100s as the 'oigional' formula and as a pricepoint wheel.
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So more like a classic formula spitfire though? i know those are a bit softer than the 99a/101a F4's, asking if its relative to the bones STF as well.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if bones 100s are super similar to Minilogo wheels. Unless the 100s are made in the US

I rode some 100s a while back, they were no where near spit classic feel at all (or the F1 which somehow I feel is what the 'classics' are really using for formula). The 100s were soft and sluggish.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on June 24, 2020, 09:09:44 AM
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Those 100's worth getting for city (not smooth) streets?
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If price is a concern maybe?

I'd rather get some STF 99a than the 100s as the STFs will be more durable long term.

No one really what the bones 100a formula is compared to Mini logos 90a/95a/101a or STF99a/103b - Bones pushes the 100s as the 'oigional' formula and as a pricepoint wheel.
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So more like a classic formula spitfire though? i know those are a bit softer than the 99a/101a F4's, asking if its relative to the bones STF as well.

ive had both, they are similar to a classic spitfire only in the sense that its bones' cheaper option, they are lower tech so basically a little slower and less durable than their premium wheels. basically its there if you are satisfied with a "simpler" wheel.

they are def a little softer than the 103a stfs, but the 99a easy streets are a better bet if you are just trying to have a hard wheel that does well on rougher ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weedgod94 on June 24, 2020, 09:43:33 AM
My friend had a setup with Bones 100s in like 2008. I remember them being soft.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on June 24, 2020, 02:25:56 PM
Anybody know what's up with Miles Wheel Co?

I'd imagine they've been delayed due to covid but I don't want to take it to insta like a man.

Great concept though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on June 24, 2020, 03:00:29 PM
White minilogo 90a a-cut are back around. Thinking about trying them for a second set up
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Turtle Boy on June 25, 2020, 06:52:08 AM
People talking about the shortage of F4 got me thinking, how often do you guys change your wheels?
I skate once a week, my wheels are STF and I change them every 12 to 18 months.

Edit: I use 53 or 52 mm wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 25, 2020, 07:13:21 AM
People talking about the shortage of F4 got me thinking, how often do you guys change your wheels?
I skate once a week, my wheels are STF and I change them every 12 to 18 months.

Depends on the wheel size but I usually skate mine for about 6 months before switching them to a backup board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 25, 2020, 07:39:44 AM
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People talking about the shortage of F4 got me thinking, how often do you guys change your wheels?
I skate once a week, my wheels are STF and I change them every 12 to 18 months.
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Depends on the wheel size but I usually skate mine for about 6 months before switching them to a backup board

With a set of F4s, I will skate them for up to a year. But if I get new trucks, I feel like I need to have a fresh set and will change them.

I have some new trucks coming but no new wheels and am kinda bugging about it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on June 25, 2020, 08:18:56 AM
People talking about the shortage of F4 got me thinking, how often do you guys change your wheels?
I skate once a week, my wheels are STF and I change them every 12 to 18 months.

Edit: I use 53 or 52 mm wheels

I moved up from 52 to 54 like 5 years ago. I try to get some really good wear out of my wheels and will swap them out to try a new wheel or shape. Then go back to them or give them away.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Weezil on June 25, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
I only usually change wheels when I get new trucks. Since f4s came out my wheels last forever. I’ll probably buy a set of 56mm f4s once a year at most. Supposed to have a pair of 56 conical fulls arriving today excited to see how they look up against my old pair I’ve been running for over a year.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on June 25, 2020, 11:46:58 AM
People talking about the shortage of F4 got me thinking, how often do you guys change your wheels?

When I get a big old flat spot.  80% of my skating is park/bowl, so I can't stand the badabadabada.    I find that flat spots in F4s and STFs do not roll out well when skating mostly park, so if it's big enough then the wheels get replaced.   On average I'm probably flat spotting 1-2 sets that bad a year.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on June 25, 2020, 02:48:29 PM
(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/104537864_1549882205180280_8556714358926859664_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkpnlvoaEMNuLsUGUw_aC3FqpN0TM7gXvWvcTb05gXlQFrns0FOk_2VYw3hPy560lw&_nc_ht=scontent.flas1-2.fna&_nc_tp=14&oh=6ec433020ca42493c8e3f2f9fff4b0eb&oe=5F1AB5FA)
Got these on sale at the local.
Bought em on a whim. Not getting my hopes up on these wheels at all, but I’ve been looking for a super slick and slidey wheel for a while, and the fact that it says “street formula” on there, it’s 101a, and the fact that DGK makes them and their team is known for super techy skating give me hope.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 25, 2020, 04:58:31 PM
People talking about the shortage of F4 got me thinking, how often do you guys change your wheels?
I skate once a week, my wheels are STF and I change them every 12 to 18 months.

Edit: I use 53 or 52 mm wheels

A) Whenever I feel like it
B) Flatspots
C) For specific terrain (smooth park street, smooth park transtion, smooth street, rough street
D) When they get below 50mm (so I start at 52 so that shit doesn't last long).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on June 25, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
Just skated Satori P-Town Players 78a, they probably haven't been skated for like 9 or 10 years. Holy shit was not used to the speed and not being able to powerslide. Was HAULING ASS on some hills that are a casual bomb on regular wheels (F4 99a), got scared on a couple, so had to just hang on for dear life but holy shit are they fun! Made my cruising session so fun
(https://smlycdn.akamaized.net/data/product2/2/0405e4584a9c7d4ab5ff44500f1e5a145e2fa2e2_l.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on June 25, 2020, 08:10:24 PM
i start at 53mm and get real tired of my wheels on crusty ny roads at sub 50mm. would love to try 54+ wheels but that and my 8.75 axles dont pair well for flip tricks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on June 26, 2020, 04:49:19 PM
No idea where their wheels are made but I've been on some 60mm 97a Dogtown "K9" wheels for a couple weeks and my skating has improved by a lot. Mainly because they just power over coping and parking blocks/curbs so easily and I get a lot of speed off a couple pushes. I'm a big wheel convert now, never going back to anything below 58mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: weedgod94 on June 27, 2020, 12:25:09 PM
I sold some gear and now I only have one set of wheels (53mm f4 classics), so I want another set. Kinda torn between more classics, trying radial slims, or getting autobahns for nostalgia. want something 52mm or under and slidey with a relatively thin contact patch. Open to suggestions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 27, 2020, 07:30:30 PM
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Got these on sale at the local.
Bought em on a whim. Not getting my hopes up on these wheels at all, but I’ve been looking for a super slick and slidey wheel for a while, and the fact that it says “street formula” on there, it’s 101a, and the fact that DGK makes them and their team is known for super techy skating give me hope.

How are they?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on June 28, 2020, 11:32:55 AM
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Got these on sale at the local.
Bought em on a whim. Not getting my hopes up on these wheels at all, but I’ve been looking for a super slick and slidey wheel for a while, and the fact that it says “street formula” on there, it’s 101a, and the fact that DGK makes them and their team is known for super techy skating give me hope.
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How are they?
Haven’t had time to set them up and try them out yet; will definitely keep this thread updated on how they are though whenever I get a chance to try them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 28, 2020, 05:09:26 PM
I may have asked this before.....anyone skated sml coffee cruisers? Looking to get a wheel that’s small, but good with crust. The Mike Anderson wheel was really great for the poor roads I’m around. Other options are small classics, or bigheads. Provided this stuff comes back in stock. Anyways, looking for small, and good, enough, on shitty roads.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheBoognish on June 28, 2020, 05:23:33 PM
My Dial Tones are starting to cone after less then a month. Bummer, they skated well.

Time to go back to Bones STF or OJ elites.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
My Dial Tones are starting to cone after less then a month. Bummer, they skated well.

Time to go back to Bones STF or OJ elites.

Oppostie ends of the spectrum there, STF = slidey, OJ Elites = grippysticky
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheBoognish on June 28, 2020, 05:49:38 PM
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My Dial Tones are starting to cone after less then a month. Bummer, they skated well.

Time to go back to Bones STF or OJ elites.
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Oppostie ends of the spectrum there, STF = slidey, OJ Elites = grippysticky

Damn I meant Insane-a-thane.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 29, 2020, 10:48:35 AM
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My Dial Tones are starting to cone after less then a month. Bummer, they skated well.

Time to go back to Bones STF or OJ elites.
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Oppostie ends of the spectrum there, STF = slidey, OJ Elites = grippysticky
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Damn I meant Insane-a-thane.

Insane-a-thane was still grippier than STFs but much more slidey than the Elites (but Milton slides the fuck out of them...but he's also going at mach speeds ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheBoognish on June 29, 2020, 10:54:26 AM
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My Dial Tones are starting to cone after less then a month. Bummer, they skated well.

Time to go back to Bones STF or OJ elites.
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Oppostie ends of the spectrum there, STF = slidey, OJ Elites = grippysticky
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Damn I meant Insane-a-thane.
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Insane-a-thane was still grippier than STFs but much more slidey than the Elites (but Milton slides the fuck out of them...but he's also going at mach speeds ;)


Eh, I'm not much of a powerslider nor am I too picky with wheels as I pretty much skate manny pads and ledges exclusively. I just want 99a's that last long and those are my two favourites, the ground in Quebec is pretty shitty.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on June 29, 2020, 11:51:49 AM
Possible substitute for Bones Rough Riders? They may fall apart in one day, but I'm going to find out!
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfTbL3SnZ372BmKWs_y6ZWiunsNaOhe3wPSbgEi4e2spTGRaorvCwyLfFXK9ND4AmZJ8tSe3qOGZg&usqp=CAc)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on June 29, 2020, 11:55:09 AM
My Dial Tones are starting to cone after less then a month. Bummer, they skated well.

Time to go back to Bones STF or OJ elites.
You don't rotate your wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheBoognish on June 29, 2020, 11:57:42 AM
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My Dial Tones are starting to cone after less then a month. Bummer, they skated well.

Time to go back to Bones STF or OJ elites.
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You don't rotate your wheels?

Never had to after less than a month
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 01, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
Anyone skate Speedlab wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on July 01, 2020, 07:20:50 PM
Just a heads up but TGM is selling blank creative urathane wheels for $12 and for a $1 more comes with bearings. Seems like a great deal here.

https://www.ebay.com/p/538106404?iid=361969345566

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Skateboard-Wheels-Set-52mm-x-32mm-99A-Purple-White-Swirl-with-Bearings/372921264086?hash=item56d3d6e7d6:g:rygAAOSwtZpeYsDB

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Skateboard-Wheels-Set-54mm-x-33mm-99A-Pink-White-Swirl-with-Bearings/362888375057?hash=item547dd52b11:g:1FkAAOSwISReYsC4

Seem like a great deal to hold you over or in general if the colors are fine. They have other creative urathane blanks but these seem to have the oj/ricta/sc core design and some conical/full shapes


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 02, 2020, 07:57:39 AM
Anyone skate Speedlab wheels?

They're creative urethane so same thing as jivaro/portland, some SML (I think they might use others too?), orbs, some nikired, and a bunch of other small companies. They're basically the BBS/PS Stix of wheels, if you see a wheel from a smaller company and its "made in the USA" then it's probably creative. They have really nice conical molds and the urethane is quite good. It's not like F4/NFG/STF good, but its better than say a bones 100 in my opinion. Which leads me to...

Just a heads up but TGM is selling blank creative urathane wheels for $12 and for a $1 more comes with bearings. Seems like a great deal here.

https://www.ebay.com/p/538106404?iid=361969345566

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Skateboard-Wheels-Set-52mm-x-32mm-99A-Purple-White-Swirl-with-Bearings/372921264086?hash=item56d3d6e7d6:g:rygAAOSwtZpeYsDB

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Skateboard-Wheels-Set-54mm-x-33mm-99A-Pink-White-Swirl-with-Bearings/362888375057?hash=item547dd52b11:g:1FkAAOSwISReYsC4

Seem like a great deal to hold you over or in general if the colors are fine. They have other creative urathane blanks but these seem to have the oj/ricta/sc core design and some conical/full shapes


I posted these a while back in the sale gear thread and probably in here too. Unfortunately some of the good ones are all gone, there used to be a black/yellow 58mm 98a (speedlab exposure) and black/white 54mm 97a (orbs apparitions split) that were really good. I have both of them as well as the pink ones and as far as I can tell they're just overstock or the color (or duro in the black/white orbs case) was a little off or something. No discernible difference in quality between the blanks and the retail orbs I have and the black/yellow ones actually just had the speedlab graphics wiped off them (you can still faintly see them). Definitely recommend them if you're not one of those "if it ain't white it ain't right" wheel people.

It's actually slightly cheaper to buy them direct from TGM's site without the bearings, and the bearings are a total waste of a dollar. They weren't the ones pictured, but rather sealed/grease packed ones with a metal cage that were unskateable even after cleaning all the gunk out of them. Also I've ordered a lot of shit from TGM and it seems like it ships out faster if you order them direct through the site.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 02, 2020, 09:02:11 AM
Thank you! I knew I’d seen something about them. Just wasn’t sure if it was on here or some random dream. May check them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on July 04, 2020, 07:27:28 AM
Am I missing something or is there a huge shortage of F4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on July 04, 2020, 07:37:36 AM
Am I missing something or is there a huge shortage of F4s?
There’s a shortage of almost every hardgood from most brands.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on July 04, 2020, 07:51:24 AM
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Am I missing something or is there a huge shortage of F4s?
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There’s a shortage of almost every hardgood from most brands.
This is hardbad news
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on July 04, 2020, 08:00:26 AM
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Am I missing something or is there a huge shortage of F4s?
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There’s a shortage of almost every hardgood from most brands.
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This is hardbad news
Haha I actually lold
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lazer69 on July 04, 2020, 08:28:01 AM
My bearings are falling out one of my wheels. Time for new h’wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sluggloaph on July 04, 2020, 11:50:28 AM
Long time 1st time... my favorite jawns have been pusher wheels but they're outta the game.. so what's good on dial tone or loopwhole?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 04, 2020, 12:02:22 PM
Possible substitute for Bones Rough Riders? They may fall apart in one day, but I'm going to find out!
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfTbL3SnZ372BmKWs_y6ZWiunsNaOhe3wPSbgEi4e2spTGRaorvCwyLfFXK9ND4AmZJ8tSe3qOGZg&usqp=CAc)

In my short time of using this, they ride like soft wheels, but they feel stiff rather than squishy. That can be a pro/con depending how you look at it.

I gave them to a friend amongst other things to lessen the amount of gear I had, but my local sells them and people seem to enjoy them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 04, 2020, 01:18:48 PM
Long time 1st time... my favorite jawns have been pusher wheels but they're outta the game.. so what's good on dial tone or loopwhole?

Haven't tried Dialtone but looking at them I'm guessing they're creative. Not basing that on anything concrete, they just have similar molds and packaging to other CU wheels on the market.

Loophole on the other hand... I REALLY like them. The graphics will just slide right off if you rub them and you can definitely tell they were just made by some enterprising skaters in someones garage in SF, but they skate great. For how hard they are (55D or 103a) they're quite a smooth ride, and they're fast and shit and slide like butter. They're a little weird at first - almost too hard and slick - but after you get past the first layer of urethane they have a great combination of grip and slip. Honestly they're probably the second best wheel I've skated behind F4s. Also if you can't find the side or shape you want then check out NFG mfg which is the company that pours them, they have their own line of wheels and have a square shape that I haven't seen on loopholes yet. Don't wait around on them though, they're small batches so they tend to sell out pretty fast. They just put some new 54mm squares up - they're $40 through the site but if you have amazon prime you can order them through amazon and save the shipping cost.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 04, 2020, 01:35:48 PM
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Long time 1st time... my favorite jawns have been pusher wheels but they're outta the game.. so what's good on dial tone or loopwhole?
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Haven't tried Dialtone but looking at them I'm guessing they're creative. Not basing that on anything concrete, they just have similar molds and packaging to other CU wheels on the market.

Loophole on the other hand... I REALLY like them. The graphics will just slide right off if you rub them and you can definitely tell they were just made by some enterprising skaters in someones garage in SF, but they skate great. For how hard they are (55D or 103a) they're quite a smooth ride, and they're fast and shit and slide like butter. They're a little weird at first - almost too hard and slick - but after you get past the first layer of urethane they have a great combination of grip and slip. Honestly they're probably the second best wheel I've skated behind F4s. Also if you can't find the side or shape you want then check out NFG mfg which is the company that pours them, they have their own line of wheels and have a square shape that I haven't seen on loopholes yet. Don't wait around on them though, they're small batches so they tend to sell out pretty fast. They just put some new 54mm squares up - they're $40 through the site but if you have amazon prime you can order them through amazon and save the shipping cost.

100% agree. I have the square shape and they are awesome. They are pretty similar, shape wise, to F4 tablets  but with the urethane characteristics you mentioned. The point you mentioned about the feel changing after the first layer is off is true. At first mine slid like ice all over the place but after two or three sessions they started to grip better and now its a nice balance.

The V shape was a little too square for me as I power slide a lot and the wheel edges would catch too much on nooks and crannies in the street. The slightly more rounded edge of the “square” shape doesn’t seem to have that problem.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 04, 2020, 01:46:07 PM
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Long time 1st time... my favorite jawns have been pusher wheels but they're outta the game.. so what's good on dial tone or loopwhole?
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Haven't tried Dialtone but looking at them I'm guessing they're creative. Not basing that on anything concrete, they just have similar molds and packaging to other CU wheels on the market.

Loophole on the other hand... I REALLY like them. The graphics will just slide right off if you rub them and you can definitely tell they were just made by some enterprising skaters in someones garage in SF, but they skate great. For how hard they are (55D or 103a) they're quite a smooth ride, and they're fast and shit and slide like butter. They're a little weird at first - almost too hard and slick - but after you get past the first layer of urethane they have a great combination of grip and slip. Honestly they're probably the second best wheel I've skated behind F4s. Also if you can't find the side or shape you want then check out NFG mfg which is the company that pours them, they have their own line of wheels and have a square shape that I haven't seen on loopholes yet. Don't wait around on them though, they're small batches so they tend to sell out pretty fast. They just put some new 54mm squares up - they're $40 through the site but if you have amazon prime you can order them through amazon and save the shipping cost.


Good write up.


Buying skate from amazon?!?? Jeeeeesus fuck. I’d rather barter with some ‘burner, at the fuckin burn. Wtf.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sluggloaph on July 04, 2020, 02:04:18 PM
Thanks gents. Thoro and insightful! NFG? Lookin er up thanks again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 05, 2020, 04:05:58 AM


Good write up.


Buying skate from amazon?!?? Jeeeeesus fuck. I’d rather barter with some ‘burner, at the fuckin burn. Wtf.

You're not actually buying it from Amazon, you're just buying it through the platform. You're still buying from NFG, but if you have Amazon prime then Amazon covers the shipping, which would have been like $10 in this case. Along with that I had like $20 in Amazon gift cards from doing online surveys so it basically turned $50 wheels into $20 wheels.

You do have to be careful buying shit on there though because there's a lot of scumbags that will list what appears to be a pair of trucks and then only send you one and shit like that so always read the reviews. I normally only use it to buy shit like cheap bearings and hardware but it made sense to get the wheels through it in this instance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on July 05, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
So yesterday I set up some 101 mini logo C cuts on my spare board to directly compare them to the bones 99 V3.
ML 101 def felt harder but both slide almost equally as easy, the slide on the 99s is slightly smoother and easier to do. 99s are quieter while rolling also and feel a little soft when I start riding that set up right after the ML wheels.

99s are slightly smoother when I skate crusty ditches but not much.
I have not flat spotted either wheel and I do a lot of backside 180s where I go skkkrt and slide the trick around.

I wanted to compare the bones 99 to F4 99 and I thought I still had an old set of used F4s around my room but didn’t find them. I guess I gave them to someone.
The shape of the bones V3 is almost identical as the minilogo CCuts but the minilogos are a little wider than bones V3


Anyway; just wanted to put this info out there in case anyone comes across either wheels and considers buying them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 05, 2020, 06:41:58 PM
So yesterday I set up some 101 mini logo C cuts on my spare board to directly compare them to the bones 99 V3.
ML 101 def felt harder but both slide almost equally as easy, the slide on the 99s is slightly smoother and easier to do. 99s are quieter while rolling also and feel a little soft when I start riding that set up right after the ML wheels.

99s are slightly smoother when I skate crusty ditches but not much.
I have not flat spotted either wheel and I do a lot of backside 180s where I go skkkrt and slide the trick around.

I wanted to compare the bones 99 to F4 99 and I thought I still had an old set of used F4s around my room but didn’t find them. I guess I gave them to someone.
The shape of the bones V3 is almost identical as the minilogo CCuts but the minilogos are a little wider than bones V3


Anyway; just wanted to put this info out there in case anyone comes across either wheels and considers buying them.

Did you mean the A-Cuts? The C-Cuts are more conical, closer to a V5. The A-Cuts look closer to a V1 in terms of width.

https://minilogoskateboards.com/products/
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on July 06, 2020, 05:51:32 AM
How are the cores on OJ Elites? I got some Bones STF V1 103A and the cores were terrible, had to use some serious force to get the bearings in and out. There were glue splotches in the bearing seats, which threw off the balance of the wheels and which I had to scrape out with a knife. The Bones Swiss spacers didn't sit properly either. I know Spitfire is an offender in this too, so I would like to know about the alternatives.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 06, 2020, 07:24:15 AM
Anyone skate Speedlab wheels?

I know BFRD gave a thorough response but I’d like to go a slightly different direction here. Never skated Speed Lab wheels but I have skated Rain Skates 98a and they are as close to old skool as I have ever skated.

I had a pair of Slime Balls as a kids that lasted me forever. Slime Balls were made, I believe, at Creative Urethane and they were either 95a or 97a—probably 95a in 88’. Modern Slimeballs are made in China so I can’t imagine they skate like the ones from 32 years ago.

So, I think Speed Lab 97a wheels (Bill Danforth models) are probably the best wheels to get and set up a 1988-1991 set up. Again, I am equating Rain Skate 98a to Speed Lab 97a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on July 06, 2020, 10:32:10 AM
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So yesterday I set up some 101 mini logo C cuts on my spare board to directly compare them to the bones 99 V3.
ML 101 def felt harder but both slide almost equally as easy, the slide on the 99s is slightly smoother and easier to do. 99s are quieter while rolling also and feel a little soft when I start riding that set up right after the ML wheels.

99s are slightly smoother when I skate crusty ditches but not much.
I have not flat spotted either wheel and I do a lot of backside 180s where I go skkkrt and slide the trick around.

I wanted to compare the bones 99 to F4 99 and I thought I still had an old set of used F4s around my room but didn’t find them. I guess I gave them to someone.
The shape of the bones V3 is almost identical as the minilogo CCuts but the minilogos are a little wider than bones V3


Anyway; just wanted to put this info out there in case anyone comes across either wheels and considers buying them.
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Did you mean the A-Cuts? The C-Cuts are more conical, closer to a V5. The A-Cuts look closer to a V1 in terms of width.

https://minilogoskateboards.com/products/
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/
Ccuts are closest to V1 but V3 is like a slimmer shape of the v1.
Here’s a pic with Blue ACUTS 54mm, the bones stf 99 53mm and ML CCUT white 54mm

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCTyBTjFAL2/?igshid=9gpp1me01vuy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on July 06, 2020, 11:54:37 AM
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So yesterday I set up some 101 mini logo C cuts on my spare board to directly compare them to the bones 99 V3.
ML 101 def felt harder but both slide almost equally as easy, the slide on the 99s is slightly smoother and easier to do. 99s are quieter while rolling also and feel a little soft when I start riding that set up right after the ML wheels.

99s are slightly smoother when I skate crusty ditches but not much.
I have not flat spotted either wheel and I do a lot of backside 180s where I go skkkrt and slide the trick around.

I wanted to compare the bones 99 to F4 99 and I thought I still had an old set of used F4s around my room but didn’t find them. I guess I gave them to someone.
The shape of the bones V3 is almost identical as the minilogo CCuts but the minilogos are a little wider than bones V3


Anyway; just wanted to put this info out there in case anyone comes across either wheels and considers buying them.
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Did you mean the A-Cuts? The C-Cuts are more conical, closer to a V5. The A-Cuts look closer to a V1 in terms of width.

https://minilogoskateboards.com/products/
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/
Maybe look at your own link? It's A for All terrain, not C for Conical.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 06, 2020, 07:27:24 PM
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So yesterday I set up some 101 mini logo C cuts on my spare board to directly compare them to the bones 99 V3.
ML 101 def felt harder but both slide almost equally as easy, the slide on the 99s is slightly smoother and easier to do. 99s are quieter while rolling also and feel a little soft when I start riding that set up right after the ML wheels.

99s are slightly smoother when I skate crusty ditches but not much.
I have not flat spotted either wheel and I do a lot of backside 180s where I go skkkrt and slide the trick around.

I wanted to compare the bones 99 to F4 99 and I thought I still had an old set of used F4s around my room but didn’t find them. I guess I gave them to someone.
The shape of the bones V3 is almost identical as the minilogo CCuts but the minilogos are a little wider than bones V3


Anyway; just wanted to put this info out there in case anyone comes across either wheels and considers buying them.
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Did you mean the A-Cuts? The C-Cuts are more conical, closer to a V5. The A-Cuts look closer to a V1 in terms of width.

https://minilogoskateboards.com/products/
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula-99/
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Maybe look at your own link? It's A for All terrain, not C for Conical.

My bad, I'm an idiot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fairydinkum on July 06, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why Spitfire won't just release a full line of classic fulls? (50-60mm)

I've been perusing through the boards about this and can't seem to find any 'juicier' insight. Understandably, it could just be a matter of the whole supply demand factor. But then just by observing, it seems wider contact patches are to be the trend.

Looking forward to the feedback, cheers!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on July 06, 2020, 08:29:13 PM
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Anyone skate Speedlab wheels?
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I know BFRD gave a thorough response but I’d like to go a slightly different direction here. Never skated Speed Lab wheels but I have skated Rain Skates 98a and they are as close to old skool as I have ever skated.

I had a pair of Slime Balls as a kids that lasted me forever. Slime Balls were made, I believe, at Creative Urethane and they were either 95a or 97a—probably 95a in 88’. Modern Slimeballs are made in China so I can’t imagine they skate like the ones from 32 years ago.

So, I think Speed Lab 97a wheels (Bill Danforth models) are probably the best wheels to get and set up a 1988-1991 set up. Again, I am equating Rain Skate 98a to Speed Lab 97a.

I love the Danforths and they have replaced all of my softer cruiser wheels. They roll fast, wide contact patch and larger diameter help kick rocks out of the way, and I don’t have to deal with the huge cracks and chips I get riding stuff like Super Juice.

I also have a set of the 54mm Slappy Hours which are 99a but don’t feel much harder than the Danforths. The formula is very different feeling than F4 99a. A bit softer/more forgiving maybe?

Anyway, it’s definitely worth trying a set out. They just announced bigger Slappy Hour sizes so I’ll probably be getting the 56s or 58s once they hit the shop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on July 07, 2020, 11:51:46 AM
If I had to choose, which non cruiser wheel should I buy for crusty streets? Bones Stf V4/V6 83b / Stf V4/V6 99a or Spitfire Radial/Conical...99a? Which one is faster in the streets, more tolerant to death pebbles?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: imuseless on July 07, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
If I had to choose, which non cruiser wheel should I buy for crusty streets? Bones Stf V4/V6 83b / Stf V4/V6 99a or Spitfire Radial/Conical...99a? Which one is faster in the streets, more tolerant to death pebbles?

Conical Full 99a, no doubt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 07, 2020, 05:07:52 PM
If I had to choose, which non cruiser wheel should I buy for crusty streets? Bones Stf V4/V6 83b / Stf V4/V6 99a or Spitfire Radial/Conical...99a? Which one is faster in the streets, more tolerant to death pebbles?

If you're asking about performance formula wise, STFs feel more grippy than F4s, making high speeds more forgiving, makes slides shorter, and is able to go through crust. However, since it does feel grippy the wheel also feels slow and somewhat clumsy at times. F4s feel faster and more nimble since it feels less grippy, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on July 07, 2020, 06:15:32 PM
If I had to choose, which non cruiser wheel should I buy for crusty streets? Bones Stf V4/V6 83b / Stf V4/V6 99a or Spitfire Radial/Conical...99a? Which one is faster in the streets, more tolerant to death pebbles?

best luck ive had for your scenario is either bones 99a or spitfire classics (non f4) 99a, the widest shape you can get in either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 07, 2020, 06:32:08 PM
If I had to choose, which non cruiser wheel should I buy for crusty streets? Bones Stf V4/V6 83b / Stf V4/V6 99a or Spitfire Radial/Conical...99a? Which one is faster in the streets, more tolerant to death pebbles?

What do you like to do and what size are you comfortable with? F4 99a is kind of the gold standard if you're looking for speed and slideability, but I think STF 99a is a little softer feeling and soaks up cracks better. The issue with the bones formula is it can be sticky if you try to slide at a low speeds and the shapes aren't quite as wide (unless you can find v6, which I haven't actually tried).

54mm F4 conical full is my go-to but that's partially because its not too big and heavy, for really nasty shit or getting up on higher curbs then 56mm radials are great. Pretty much no matter what you're going to get tossed by stop rocks at some point though.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on July 08, 2020, 04:26:51 AM
Currently I'm riding 53mm easy streets v5 (down to 50). Felt like they became faster once broken in, but now they tend to stop on pebbles.
20% park 80% goofing around in the streets.
I think I need something around 56mm with wide contact patch.

You say bones stf 99a are softer\more forgiving on rough streets than spitfire f4 99a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on July 08, 2020, 07:57:00 AM
Currently I'm riding 53mm easy streets v5 (down to 50). Felt like they became faster once broken in, but now they tend to stop on pebbles.
20% park 80% goofing around in the streets.
I think I need something around 56mm with wide contact patch.

You say bones stf 99a are softer\more forgiving on rough streets than spitfire f4 99a?
I wish I still had a set of F4 a around to compare.
I’ve had more than ten sets of F4 99s and a few 101 and from my memory (which def could be wrong) I’d say the bones 99 feel a little softer/more forgiving. And the bones grip a little more than F4 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 08, 2020, 08:13:58 AM
Currently I'm riding 53mm easy streets v5 (down to 50). Felt like they became faster once broken in, but now they tend to stop on pebbles.
20% park 80% goofing around in the streets.
I think I need something around 56mm with wide contact patch.

You say bones stf 99a are softer\more forgiving on rough streets than spitfire f4 99a?

They're a little softer over cracks and generally rough asphalt in my opinion, but not by a significant margin. The bigger factor if you want to avoid the pebbles issue would be width/shape and in that category spitfire is definitely better. I'd try a 54-56mm conical full or radial (not radial slim) formula 4, or the other wheel I really like for nasty stuff is the Creature/OJ 56mm 97a bloodsuckers. They're the hardline shape so if you're not crazy about the look then any 54-56mm hardline wheel should be similar, I think there's a 99a one. You could also try 97a slime balls, I've never actually tried them but I'm guessing its the same formula and I've heard a lot of people like them. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on July 12, 2020, 06:41:19 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/xJLPjDF/5-DC0-C9-F4-F26-C-4-A8-E-A313-96-BA30-C242-D2.jpg]https://i.ibb.co/xJLPjDF/5-DC0-C9-F4-F26-C-4-A8-E-A313-96-BA30-C242-D2.jpg)

Why do these old ass element wheels 54mm worn to 53mm feel so good?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sluggloaph on July 12, 2020, 06:52:20 PM
Not sure if this is the place for this but SPoT has f4s!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SatoriWheels on July 13, 2020, 11:49:01 AM
Just skated Satori P-Town Players 78a, they probably haven't been skated for like 9 or 10 years. Holy shit was not used to the speed and not being able to powerslide. Was HAULING ASS on some hills that are a casual bomb on regular wheels (F4 99a), got scared on a couple, so had to just hang on for dear life but holy shit are they fun! Made my cruising session so fun
(https://smlycdn.akamaized.net/data/product2/2/0405e4584a9c7d4ab5ff44500f1e5a145e2fa2e2_l.jpg)

Glad to hear!! Give us a follow on our new IG page @SatoriWheels, tons more on the way soon!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SK8houses on July 13, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
Has anyone skated crupie wheels?
Just got a set and wondering if they are even worth setting up. Been on F4 99s since they were prototypes, not really sure how these crupie wheels hold up in comparison to F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 13, 2020, 06:45:13 PM
Has anyone skated crupie wheels?
Just got a set and wondering if they are even worth setting up. Been on F4 99s since they were prototypes, not really sure how these crupie wheels hold up in comparison to F4s.

If crupie held up to F4s, there would be more people skating them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 13, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
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Has anyone skated crupie wheels?
Just got a set and wondering if they are even worth setting up. Been on F4 99s since they were prototypes, not really sure how these crupie wheels hold up in comparison to F4s.
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If crupie held up to F4s, there would be more people skating them.

True, they're not bad tho
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on July 14, 2020, 01:10:41 AM
I'm skating crupie now, they don't slide as nice as f4 or stf, but I'm not having any issues with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goatgoochcheese on July 14, 2020, 09:51:19 AM
the boardy cakes came in today, i have a really good feeling about them. gotta send the tablets back, they looks like they sat too long in a hot room plus they are defective. the super reds were an impulse buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/NKLV2mI.jpg)

I was trying to find some 51mm f4 tablets but I was unable to find any so I ended up ordering some 49mm Boardy Cake princess cuts. They look like they'll be nice but I'm worried about them being slick because they're 103a and I've had a few sets of Bones STF and they were always too slick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SK8houses on July 14, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
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Has anyone skated crupie wheels?
Just got a set and wondering if they are even worth setting up. Been on F4 99s since they were prototypes, not really sure how these crupie wheels hold up in comparison to F4s.
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If crupie held up to F4s, there would be more people skating them.
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True, they're not bad tho
Just gave them away to a friend who is less picky than I am. F4s for life.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on July 14, 2020, 07:47:53 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/xJLPjDF/5-DC0-C9-F4-F26-C-4-A8-E-A313-96-BA30-C242-D2.jpg]https://i.ibb.co/xJLPjDF/5-DC0-C9-F4-F26-C-4-A8-E-A313-96-BA30-C242-D2.jpg)

Why do these old ass element wheels 54mm worn to 53mm feel so good?

Im actually in the same boat...Im riding some chunky 54 mm Accel Wheels from about 20 years ago which was a small company Mike V had and may have been more distributed in NJ because not many remember this company. I got them because they were the biggest wheels in the local shop during that era and I was skating a slippery mini half mostly back then.

Theyre super wide 54mm 22mm contact patch and 99a but still have some slide. Really like them but theyre heavy. Ive been on rougher terrain recently and I felt like the 53mm easy streets (while just as fast if not slightly faster esp on smooth terrain) which Ive been happy with, have the plasticy feel when its rougher where a spitfire f4 99, or any wheel from creative which absorbs the vibrations in a more familiar and comfortable way. Also slides much better than my 92a clouds which was my go to rough terrain wheeel. Maddness related specifics I would never notice if I started with Bones wheels but this is what we do.

These are them. Accel Wheels Tampa Wide around 2000 wheels. Yellowed significantly which is kinda annoying....any one know any tricks about removing yellowing or improving it it besides sanding?

(https://i.ibb.co/hMdm6hv/IMG-6930.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/NK0ZwHC/Whee.jpg)



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on July 14, 2020, 08:28:16 PM
Anyone here skated ok elites?
They have a huge team but I never saw anyone skate them.
Impossible at the moment to get my hands on f4 conical or full or anything not classic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Junglist on July 15, 2020, 12:13:29 AM
Anyone here skated ok elites?
They have a huge team but I never saw anyone skate them.
Impossible at the moment to get my hands on f4 conical or full or anything not classic.

I'm actually kind of stoked on them because I thought they would suck but they perform quite well. Much more comfortable than a bones wheel or something like that. They slide quite nicely. Granted 53mm is smaller than what I like so they had one session and have sat on my desk for the past two or three weeks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on July 15, 2020, 03:16:11 PM
Haven't tried the OJ elites but I've got other hardline shape that I really like and I think they might have the best intro/price point formula.

Continuing on my NFG/Loophole kick I recently picked up the NFG 54mm squares and just got Loophole 54mm V cuts. The squares are a little skinnier than I was expecting, they're similar to a tablet or a bones v4. Like the shape but its not quite the crust crushing monster truck that the V shape is. They're really nice on smoother streets, fast and break their grip easy but not overly so. I'm still breaking the 54mm V's in (they really don't hit their stride until you get the initial layer or two of urethane off) but I'm really stoked on the shape - I love the 56 but they're definitely a little hefty. The 54 feels like its going to be a bit more manageable to throw around in the mid-summer heat but neither of them are exactly nimble.

F4 is still the king in my book, but this NFG formula isn't far behind and I like it more every time I skate it. It just feels like what a street wheel should in my book - brute force and speed over everything else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TastyBurrito on July 21, 2020, 07:44:37 PM
Has anyone used OJ Keyframe 87A for skateparks? I kind of want to try it for a bowl session. Is it a bad idea?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on July 21, 2020, 07:48:19 PM
Has anyone used OJ Keyframe 87A for skateparks? I kind of want to try it for a bowl session. Is it a bad idea?

I once used soft wheels for a park sesh, and it was a bad idea. Do you though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on July 21, 2020, 07:53:47 PM
Has anyone used OJ Keyframe 87A for skateparks? I kind of want to try it for a bowl session. Is it a bad idea?

I dislike soft wheels in smooth skateparks. Keyframes felt fast as hell in the bowl, but they didn’t feel right (prob muscle memory). Don’t get me wrong, still fun to pump and zip around, but they perform best on crust imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2020, 01:50:05 PM
New OJ Elite shape and duro coming soonish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWRcq58E6XA&t=370s

95a Slim Conical (slim hardline shape, essential a V2/Tablet)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 22, 2020, 06:40:50 PM
New OJ Elite shape and duro coming soonish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWRcq58E6XA&t=370s

95a Slim Conical (slim hardline shape, essential a V2/Tablet)

Thanks the video did a better job explaining wheel shapes than staring at Spitfire and Bones diagrams ever did. Wish the editing wasn't as choppy.

Wish me luck boys, going from a Bones 53mm V2 Easy Street to Bones 52mm V3 83b. Hopefully I can manage the change up coupled with a bum leg.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on July 22, 2020, 06:50:37 PM
I will for sure try those 95a. Good compromise between the Keyframes and a 99a/101a. And the tablet shape saves on weight a bit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: slutonparade on July 23, 2020, 10:22:32 AM
No Comply has a good amount of F4's in stock

https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on July 24, 2020, 03:51:54 PM
I've been wanting to try NFG/Loophole wheels for a while and finally bought a pair of the square shape Jameel 54mm wheels.

I get this in no way has an impact on how well they skate but I can't bring myself to skate brand new wheels with bubble chunks missing on the side.  I'm overly neurotic but this is unacceptable quality control as far as I'm concerned.  Super bummed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50149411386_dba23da39a_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on July 24, 2020, 06:00:32 PM
Has anyone used OJ Keyframe 87A for skateparks? I kind of want to try it for a bowl session. Is it a bad idea?

Most will say it’s a bad idea but I only rode the same set of 56mm keyframes 87a for a couple years and had plenty of rad skatepark sessions on them. It depends on the park a bit. If it’s a slick park they are better than hard wheels, if it’s crusty you might kinda stick or can’t really slide on or out of tricks.
If you own them already go try it out but it might take a couple sessions to be really fun.  I’ve been skating super juices 78a at the park lately and I can do every trick I normally do except crooks, I barely have to push and it’s a really slick park so I can kinda do powerslides if it’s dusty. I was skating some 99a for awhile on a different setup idk I have a lot of setups but the soft wheels are fun, it’s also been hot as fuck lately so I’m not trying to put in work on some gnar or tech shit for a fat old man. Pop on some softies and have fun carve some shit, Boardslide some shit, silently snake scooter kids, 50-50 the ledge, fall on a frontside rock, whatevs who cares.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on July 25, 2020, 12:31:30 AM
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Got these on sale at the local.
Bought em on a whim. Not getting my hopes up on these wheels at all, but I’ve been looking for a super slick and slidey wheel for a while, and the fact that it says “street formula” on there, it’s 101a, and the fact that DGK makes them and their team is known for super techy skating give me hope.
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How are they?
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Haven’t had time to set them up and try them out yet; will definitely keep this thread updated on how they are though whenever I get a chance to try them.
Finally tried em out. They feel exactly the same as STFs to me, maybe a bit less slick than STFs, but still pretty slick regardless. I actually like STFs so I don’t mind these so far. As far as durability and how flatspot resistant they are, we shall see.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 25, 2020, 12:58:38 AM
I mean bubbles/ irregularities in wheels were pretty much an industry standard for years. If I’m not mistaken, these are also hand poured?
I wouldn’t let it take away from the way the wheels perform, if F4 didn’t exist, 95% of the industry would ride loopholes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on August 01, 2020, 09:40:31 PM
Finally copped some 58mm OG Classics, super stoked to be back on the old formula, though I’m scared to go to my brand new local park because of the ‘treads’ on them. Quick ways to get rid of these? Obviously other than just riding them which I have been trying to, but I don’t really want to spend a day just skating a car park just so my wheels wont slip everywhere I go
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 02, 2020, 07:36:42 AM
I've been wanting to try NFG/Loophole wheels for a while and finally bought a pair of the square shape Jameel 54mm wheels.

I get this in no way has an impact on how well they skate but I can't bring myself to skate brand new wheels with bubble chunks missing on the side.  I'm overly neurotic but this is unacceptable quality control as far as I'm concerned.  Super bummed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50149411386_dba23da39a_z.jpg)

Most are like that, but it's actually a good thing because it's indicative of them actually using good pure urethane and not a bunch of fillers. I used to know an old speed skater dude and he told me they would specifically seek out wheels with bubbles for that reason. Urethane is notoriously difficult to work with and bubbling still happens sometimes even with high end injection/degassing equipment. These things are hand poured/trimmed, so it's pretty much an inevitability.

I personally don't see it as a quality control issue because it doesn't actually affect the performance. It's basically a cosmetic thing, sort of like yellowing. I like my wheels looking like they've been in a fight haha.

If bubbles, yellowing, or the graphics sliding off with a light breeze bothers you then yeah NFG/loophole is probably not going to be your cup of tea. I bet if you pop em up in the classifieds section someone will buy them off you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheBoognish on August 02, 2020, 08:03:17 AM
Anyone try Portland wheels ? Local shop got a fresh batch in.

I like the shape, however I have no idea about their durability.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on August 02, 2020, 07:46:53 PM
I've been wanting to try NFG/Loophole wheels for a while and finally bought a pair of the square shape Jameel 54mm wheels.

I get this in no way has an impact on how well they skate but I can't bring myself to skate brand new wheels with bubble chunks missing on the side.  I'm overly neurotic but this is unacceptable quality control as far as I'm concerned.  Super bummed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50149411386_dba23da39a_z.jpg)

What spitfire shape are these closest to?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on August 02, 2020, 10:35:06 PM
NFG squares are kinda like a puffy spitfire tablet. Contact patch is the same but it's just a couple mils wider.

EDIT: looking at my spitfire card again and it's actually more like a radial slim/radial hybrid. It's the width of a radial with the contact patch of the slim.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 02, 2020, 11:21:20 PM
who's been skating dialtones and what are your thoughts? still sitting on a pair the i panic bought due to the drought™ bc i know nothing will be as good as f4s. wheels are wheels at the end of the day right? right??
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on August 03, 2020, 05:11:07 AM
I've been skating some radials lately and idk... There is sth about that shape that just don't work 100% for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 03, 2020, 05:37:34 AM
who's been skating dialtones and what are your thoughts? still sitting on a pair the i panic bought due to the drought™ bc i know nothing will be as good as f4s. wheels are wheels at the end of the day right? right??
I’m afraid they are not. I’ve got sml on my main board at the moment and while they aren’t terrible, I often find myself comparing them to f4s. If I just rode them I’d probably be fine but it’s hard not to notice the little differences. Never owned dial tone but figure they’ll be the same; they won’t totally suck, but you’ve tasted heaven in wheel form and now you must suffer on anything not f4. Loophole is the closest you’ll get imho
Go in with no expectations and you might be surprised though. I did that with waywards and they were fine, even enjoyed how white they remained. Depends on your level of wheel madness at the end of the day
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheBoognish on August 03, 2020, 06:30:09 AM
who's been skating dialtones and what are your thoughts? still sitting on a pair the i panic bought due to the drought™ bc i know nothing will be as good as f4s. wheels are wheels at the end of the day right? right??

I’ve got some at the moment. They skate and ride great, but they started coning after a month and a half I don’t skate as often as I used to. No flatspots yet but then again i’m not much of a powerslider.

I’ve always been an STF or F4 guy (more STF though) and I can’t wait for my local shop to re-stock. They feel much faster than my Dialtones.

Might try Portland Wheel Co. in the mean time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on August 03, 2020, 10:42:02 AM
NFG squares are kinda like a puffy spitfire tablet. Contact patch is the same but it's just a couple mils wider.

EDIT: looking at my spitfire card again and it's actually more like a radial slim/radial hybrid. It's the width of a radial with the contact patch of the slim.

That sounds good, might grab a set from the local. Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 03, 2020, 11:01:57 AM
Skating some Bigheads and I am enjoying the classic formula. Definitely wears faster than an F4 but they feel really good on rough pavement. The slide is also super nice once the treads are gone.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on August 03, 2020, 11:06:48 AM
Skating some Bigheads and I am enjoying the classic formula. Definitely wears faster than an F4 but they feel really good on rough pavement. The slide is also super nice once the treads are gone.
Yeah been wanting to grab a set of classic formula for these exact reasons. I don't get to skate enough for them to wear down too fast for me. How's the contact patch after wear?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 03, 2020, 01:40:35 PM
I put my radial slims up to some V2 locks and was quite surprised on how almost identical they are in shape...anyone skated the tabs and the V2 locks?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on August 03, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
I put my radial slims up to some V2 locks and was quite surprised on how almost identical they are in shape...anyone skated the tabs and the V2 locks?

V2s have a somewhat smaller riding surface. That being said, both wheels felt similar in performance regarding the shape, with the V2s maybe feeling a bit more nimble. However, my V2s wore down faster than my tablets.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 03, 2020, 07:50:27 PM
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I put my radial slims up to some V2 locks and was quite surprised on how almost identical they are in shape...anyone skated the tabs and the V2 locks?
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Both the same duro?

V2s have a somewhat smaller riding surface. That being said, both wheels felt similar in performance regarding the shape, with the V2s maybe feeling a bit more nimble. However, my V2s wore down faster than my tablets.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 04, 2020, 06:38:29 AM
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Skating some Bigheads and I am enjoying the classic formula. Definitely wears faster than an F4 but they feel really good on rough pavement. The slide is also super nice once the treads are gone.
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Yeah been wanting to grab a set of classic formula for these exact reasons. I don't get to skate enough for them to wear down too fast for me. How's the contact patch after wear?

Meant to take a pic last night but I ended up running a bunch of errands. The treads were gone after maybe 4 hours of flatground skating, patch looks wider than classics...I have a set of the same size classics so when they come I'll look at the difference. I was told at one point they're the same shape, but I emailed DLX and they said they're not.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Stigmata on August 04, 2020, 06:49:36 AM
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I've been wanting to try NFG/Loophole wheels for a while and finally bought a pair of the square shape Jameel 54mm wheels.

I get this in no way has an impact on how well they skate but I can't bring myself to skate brand new wheels with bubble chunks missing on the side.  I'm overly neurotic but this is unacceptable quality control as far as I'm concerned.  Super bummed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50149411386_dba23da39a_z.jpg)
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What spitfire shape are these closest to?


Yikes, quality control must of been on vacation when those came thru! They look like a fatter Spitfire Tablet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 04, 2020, 07:50:13 AM
Are bones stf v3 shapes the closest thing to a spitfire f4  classic ?

Is there any performance difference between the bones white and natural colors?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bumpnrun on August 04, 2020, 08:38:35 AM
I've been wanting to try NFG/Loophole wheels for a while and finally bought a pair of the square shape Jameel 54mm wheels.

I get this in no way has an impact on how well they skate but I can't bring myself to skate brand new wheels with bubble chunks missing on the side.  I'm overly neurotic but this is unacceptable quality control as far as I'm concerned.  Super bummed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50149411386_dba23da39a_z.jpg)

Do all of the wheels have that indent? It almost looks like it could be a dent from the mold.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2020, 08:42:41 AM
Are bones stf v3 shapes the closest thing to a spitfire f4  classic ?

Is there any performance difference between the bones white and natural colors?

V3s are in a shape/class their own compared to spits. V1 is the closest.

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20200421/bones-shape-crosscuts-APR2020_opt.png)

I've not skated a natural 101 and not sure you can get them swapped, by that I mean all the 99s seem to be the offwhite and all the 103b are super white these days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mr. Kamikazi on August 04, 2020, 08:54:20 AM
sml wheels. Done.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on August 04, 2020, 09:20:57 AM
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I put my radial slims up to some V2 locks and was quite surprised on how almost identical they are in shape...anyone skated the tabs and the V2 locks?
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V2s have a somewhat smaller riding surface. That being said, both wheels felt similar in performance regarding the shape, with the V2s maybe feeling a bit more nimble. However, my V2s wore down faster than my tablets.
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Both the same duro?

Yeah

F4 99a, STFs 99a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on August 04, 2020, 09:44:14 AM
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Skating some Bigheads and I am enjoying the classic formula. Definitely wears faster than an F4 but they feel really good on rough pavement. The slide is also super nice once the treads are gone.
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Yeah been wanting to grab a set of classic formula for these exact reasons. I don't get to skate enough for them to wear down too fast for me. How's the contact patch after wear?
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Meant to take a pic last night but I ended up running a bunch of errands. The treads were gone after maybe 4 hours of flatground skating, patch looks wider than classics...I have a set of the same size classics so when they come I'll look at the difference. I was told at one point they're the same shape, but I emailed DLX and they said they're not.
Cool thanks.
Per tactics it looks like
bighead 54mm are 34.5mm wide and a 17.5mm contact patch.
Classic 54mm are 33.5mm wide with a 16.5mm contact patch.

comparatively also saw tactics has
OG classics 54mm at 32.3mm wide with a 23.0mm contact patch
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 05, 2020, 06:46:35 AM
Anyone try Portland wheels ? Local shop got a fresh batch in.

I like the shape, however I have no idea about their durability.

If you've ever tried Jivaro they're basically the same, might even be the same people since I think they have the same distro. Creative urethane, so same stuff as speedlab/orbs/sml etc etc. Not as good as F4, but still very good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bumpnrun on August 05, 2020, 07:13:46 AM
So looks like satori wheels is back

Saw that Spencer H was skating them and looks like they have a new insta

https://www.instagram.com/satoriwheels/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on August 05, 2020, 08:24:47 AM
So looks like satori wheels is back

Saw that Spencer H was skating them and looks like they have a new insta

https://www.instagram.com/satoriwheels/
the worst instagram format. whole branding looks dated
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 05, 2020, 09:01:00 AM
So looks like satori wheels is back

Saw that Spencer H was skating them and looks like they have a new insta

https://www.instagram.com/satoriwheels/

skinny wheel skinnier than my current skinny wheels!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2020, 01:12:33 PM
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So looks like satori wheels is back

Saw that Spencer H was skating them and looks like they have a new insta

https://www.instagram.com/satoriwheels/
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skinny wheel skinnier than my current skinny wheels!

I mainly skated Satori about 10? years ago, when they were doing the recycled wheels/core thing, send them a bunch of flatted/old wheels and they'd send you new wheels. Good skinny wheels!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on August 09, 2020, 04:15:42 PM
My friend just got the new Ricta Wide Speed Rings as the only f4 99s were swirled color and gotta say they felt very nice. Good shape too. Im still using Easy Streets and the ricta slid better but were similar regarding feel. Didnt get to try them on really rough pavement but not a bad f4 99 replacement option and I never really see Ricta brought up here.

https://socalskateshop.com/Ricta-Speedrings-Wide-Skateboard-Wheels-White-53mm-101a.html

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 09, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
My friend just got the new Ricta Wide Speed Rings as the only f4 99s were swirled color and gotta say they felt very nice. Good shape too. Im still using Easy Streets and the ricta slid better but were similar regarding feel. Didnt get to try them on really rough pavement but not a bad f4 99 replacement option and I never really see Ricta brought up here.

https://socalskateshop.com/Ricta-Speedrings-Wide-Skateboard-Wheels-White-53mm-101a.html

Not liking the new shape/hardness of the speed rings, but that’s what the kids are into. The old 103 Speed rings where my favorites until they discontinued them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 10, 2020, 03:56:35 AM
Looking for a recommendation to replace my Bones V3 103a 52mm.

Pros:
Light and technical, didn't think going from a V2 to V3 would feel so different
Lots of room for grinds when paired with extra washers especially on 5-0s & Nosegrinds
The 83b feels great for slides
Maintain their speed fairly well on semi-smooth park concrete

Cons:
They suck for regular cruising, really jarring and I lose too much speed
Can feel a unstable when setting up for a trick on flat
Lock in on Crooked grinds could be better

I've tried V1 in 103a which I really liked and V2 in 99a which didn't slide as well as the 101a. Open to try OJs or even a harder Spitfire.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lamfordie on August 18, 2020, 06:53:46 PM
Anyone skate Pig Wheels? Kinda want to try their conical swirl wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Solid bowlcut on August 24, 2020, 02:43:35 AM
Is there wheel that would be softer than Spitfire 99 but not too soft to powerslide or revert tricks? The indoor place that i skate winters is super slippery, so i'm looking for wheel that would help with that yet still feel like regular wheel and not a cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 24, 2020, 08:42:01 AM
Is there wheel that would be softer than Spitfire 99 but not too soft to powerslide or revert tricks? The indoor place that i skate winters is super slippery, so i'm looking for wheel that would help with that yet still feel like regular wheel and not a cruiser wheel.

Spitfire are coming out with 97a F4. Or you could try the classic formula. Looks like OJ just came out with a cool looking 95a also.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on August 24, 2020, 08:53:23 AM
Slimeballs 97s are pretty hard - easy to powerslide em on asphault.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on August 24, 2020, 08:39:13 PM
Since is impossible to find F4 down here I'll have to check some other brands.
Anybody tried those AWS Clone wheels? Also I saw some Ricta rápidos wide, is been ages since my last Rictas.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 24, 2020, 10:58:34 PM
Since is impossible to find F4 down here I'll have to check some other brands.
Anybody tried those AWS Clone wheels? Also I saw some Ricta rápidos wide, is been ages since my last Rictas.
just get loopholes, they are dreamy!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 25, 2020, 06:01:37 AM
Since is impossible to find F4 down here I'll have to check some other brands.
Anybody tried those AWS Clone wheels? Also I saw some Ricta rápidos wide, is been ages since my last Rictas.

Clones are by far the worst wheels I've ever skated. Hard plastic dogshit with no slide that chunks on asphalt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on August 25, 2020, 06:10:07 AM
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Since is impossible to find F4 down here I'll have to check some other brands.
Anybody tried those AWS Clone wheels? Also I saw some Ricta rápidos wide, is been ages since my last Rictas.
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just get loopholes, they are dreamy!
did you revise your initial review? Thought you changed back to 54mm f4 due to ghost pop and such
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on August 25, 2020, 06:12:25 AM
I just got a FUBK Rudy deck, but I’m conflicted.

The question is, should I go with some 44mm boardy cakes, and die from hitting a pebble. Or, just keyframes for a smoother/but not a cruiser feel.

I have a cruiser already, so this is just going to be something to fuck around with. Never had smaller than like 48s. Thoughts anyone? What would y’all do?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on August 25, 2020, 06:35:54 AM
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Since is impossible to find F4 down here I'll have to check some other brands.
Anybody tried those AWS Clone wheels? Also I saw some Ricta rápidos wide, is been ages since my last Rictas.
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Clones are by far the worst wheels I've ever skated. Hard plastic dogshit with no slide that chunks on asphalt.
This was the kind of feedback I was looking for. Thanks!
PS: Loopholes in Chile? No way sadly &#128532;
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JB77 on August 25, 2020, 06:42:41 AM
I just got a FUBK Rudy deck, but I’m conflicted.

The question is, should I go with some 44mm boardy cakes, and die from hitting a pebble. Or, just keyframes for a smoother/but not a cruiser feel.

I have a cruiser already, so this is just going to be something to fuck around with. Never had smaller than like 48s. Thoughts anyone? What would y’all do?

Boardy Cakes just released a 48.5mm/99a wheels.  They look really sick.  Might be a nice choice for that Rudy setup.

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-48-5mm-99a-benchwarmers
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on August 25, 2020, 06:51:04 AM
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I just got a FUBK Rudy deck, but I’m conflicted.

The question is, should I go with some 44mm boardy cakes, and die from hitting a pebble. Or, just keyframes for a smoother/but not a cruiser feel.

I have a cruiser already, so this is just going to be something to fuck around with. Never had smaller than like 48s. Thoughts anyone? What would y’all do?
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Boardy Cakes just released a 48.5mm/99a wheels.  They look really sick.  Might be a nice choice for that Rudy setup.

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-48-5mm-99a-benchwarmers

Damn, I didn't see those. I guess I have some thinking to do haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 25, 2020, 07:20:40 AM
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I just got a FUBK Rudy deck, but I’m conflicted.

The question is, should I go with some 44mm boardy cakes, and die from hitting a pebble. Or, just keyframes for a smoother/but not a cruiser feel.

I have a cruiser already, so this is just going to be something to fuck around with. Never had smaller than like 48s. Thoughts anyone? What would y’all do?
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Boardy Cakes just released a 48.5mm/99a wheels.  They look really sick.  Might be a nice choice for that Rudy setup.

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-48-5mm-99a-benchwarmers
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Damn, I didn't see those. I guess I have some thinking to do haha

I just got the princess cuts, they're like a 49mm tablet. I skate those kinds of shapes a lot and usually run 50/51mm. On a board of that size it gives it the BPSW look but is still very functional.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on August 25, 2020, 07:37:00 AM
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I just got a FUBK Rudy deck, but I’m conflicted.

The question is, should I go with some 44mm boardy cakes, and die from hitting a pebble. Or, just keyframes for a smoother/but not a cruiser feel.

I have a cruiser already, so this is just going to be something to fuck around with. Never had smaller than like 48s. Thoughts anyone? What would y’all do?
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Boardy Cakes just released a 48.5mm/99a wheels.  They look really sick.  Might be a nice choice for that Rudy setup.

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-48-5mm-99a-benchwarmers
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Damn, I didn't see those. I guess I have some thinking to do haha
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I just got the princess cuts, they're like a 49mm tablet. I skate those kinds of shapes a lot and usually run 50/51mm. On a board of that size it gives it the BPSW look but is still very functional.

Yea that sounds pretty good to me, and fuck it, I just pulled the trigger on the benchwarmers haha. I'll try em out. Excited for this setup. Thanks guys

(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/274105403/BC+Benchwarmers+Web+Shots+q34+r.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 25, 2020, 09:13:02 AM
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I just got a FUBK Rudy deck, but I’m conflicted.

The question is, should I go with some 44mm boardy cakes, and die from hitting a pebble. Or, just keyframes for a smoother/but not a cruiser feel.

I have a cruiser already, so this is just going to be something to fuck around with. Never had smaller than like 48s. Thoughts anyone? What would y’all do?
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Boardy Cakes just released a 48.5mm/99a wheels.  They look really sick.  Might be a nice choice for that Rudy setup.

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-48-5mm-99a-benchwarmers
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Damn, I didn't see those. I guess I have some thinking to do haha
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I just got the princess cuts, they're like a 49mm tablet. I skate those kinds of shapes a lot and usually run 50/51mm. On a board of that size it gives it the BPSW look but is still very functional.
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Yea that sounds pretty good to me, and fuck it, I just pulled the trigger on the benchwarmers haha. I'll try em out. Excited for this setup. Thanks guys

(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/274105403/BC+Benchwarmers+Web+Shots+q34+r.jpg)

Nice! I haven't set them up yet but they're going to be my next...my tablets are like 47mm wish (from 51) but I just can't give them up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 25, 2020, 07:40:45 PM
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Since is impossible to find F4 down here I'll have to check some other brands.
Anybody tried those AWS Clone wheels? Also I saw some Ricta rápidos wide, is been ages since my last Rictas.
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just get loopholes, they are dreamy!
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did you revise your initial review? Thought you changed back to 54mm f4 due to ghost pop and such
well that was more to do with the board I was riding than the wheels themselves (and maybe the fact that I went from 54 → 56mm)

I bought another set of the 56s and chucked them on my Shin Polar surf shape and it’s so much fun to ride, powerslides are a dream! Sure, I still get ghost pop off the nose but that board has a tiny nose so I’m fairly certain that that is unavoidable.
Either way, the quality of the wheels is up there , the just came out with 54mm conical too so I’m not mad that there’s a worldwide F4 shortage at the moment
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 28, 2020, 06:39:08 AM
Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278355296_927093f4de_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on August 28, 2020, 08:39:25 AM
Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278355296_927093f4de_z.jpg)

That DOA graphic is so good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on August 28, 2020, 10:08:43 AM
I just got a FUBK Rudy deck, but I’m conflicted.

The question is, should I go with some 44mm boardy cakes, and die from hitting a pebble. Or, just keyframes for a smoother/but not a cruiser feel.

I have a cruiser already, so this is just going to be something to fuck around with. Never had smaller than like 48s. Thoughts anyone? What would y’all do?

Dude I have 52mm Keyframes and they are great. Most def rolls over stuff and still skateable.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on August 28, 2020, 11:07:48 AM
Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278355296_927093f4de_z.jpg)
mine are coming in monday, super hyped ;D
what size truck are you running relative to the deck width? im hoping to run a little bit of magic carpet if they are wide enough
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 28, 2020, 12:02:22 PM
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Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278355296_927093f4de_z.jpg)
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mine are coming in monday, super hyped ;D
what size truck are you running relative to the deck width? im hoping to run a little bit of magic carpet if they are wide enough

Nice! This setup has 149s on an 8.5.  The edge of the wheel is basically flush with the axle nut
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on August 28, 2020, 12:54:38 PM
how is the urethane on those boardy cakes? kind of intriguing to see a company devoted to small wheels...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on August 28, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
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Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278355296_927093f4de_z.jpg)
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mine are coming in monday, super hyped ;D
what size truck are you running relative to the deck width? im hoping to run a little bit of magic carpet if they are wide enough
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Nice! This setup has 149s on an 8.5.  The edge of the wheel is basically flush with the axle nut
word thanks man. might have to add more axle washers to push them out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IrritableBowel2 on August 28, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
Those benchwarmers look like so much fun, I had to grab a set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on August 28, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
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Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278355296_927093f4de_z.jpg)
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mine are coming in monday, super hyped ;D
what size truck are you running relative to the deck width? im hoping to run a little bit of magic carpet if they are wide enough
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Nice! This setup has 149s on an 8.5.  The edge of the wheel is basically flush with the axle nut
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word thanks man. might have to add more axle washers to push them out

Just got mine in too. On some 169s. Waiting on the deck still, I can’t wait haha

(https://i.ibb.co/HVQ87CB/CFAADF79-BD3-A-4405-A608-1627214-FA289.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on August 28, 2020, 05:14:30 PM
Wow haha looks wild on 169.. what deck ? @os89
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 31, 2020, 09:40:36 PM
uhh so has anyone else noticed that dialtones don't slide?? skated down a hill today on them for the first time and luckily stuck a few times and was able to run them out. feel like you'd have to be going gx1000 speed for them to feel anywhere close to good for powerslides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 31, 2020, 11:56:58 PM
uhh so has anyone else noticed that dialtones don't slide?? skated down a hill today on them for the first time and luckily stuck a few times and was able to run them out. feel like you'd have to be going gx1000 speed for them to feel anywhere close to good for powerslides.
what wheels were you rocking prior to the dial tones? I’m on some SMLs on one of my setups and I was having similar feelings but that’s just because I was coming off of F4s. F4s almost make you lazy in the way you approach powerslides because you don’t have to put as much effort in to break into a slide. Either way, I can’t say enough good things about loophole at the moment; great quality wheels and they slide perfectly
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on September 01, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
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uhh so has anyone else noticed that dialtones don't slide?? skated down a hill today on them for the first time and luckily stuck a few times and was able to run them out. feel like you'd have to be going gx1000 speed for them to feel anywhere close to good for powerslides.
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what wheels were you rocking prior to the dial tones? I’m on some SMLs on one of my setups and I was having similar feelings but that’s just because I was coming off of F4s. F4s almost make you lazy in the way you approach powerslides because you don’t have to put as much effort in to break into a slide. Either way, I can’t say enough good things about loophole at the moment; great quality wheels and they slide perfectly
yeah coming off of f4s. guess ya don't know what you've got til it's gone :/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 01, 2020, 11:41:03 AM
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My friend just got the new Ricta Wide Speed Rings as the only f4 99s were swirled color and gotta say they felt very nice. Good shape too. Im still using Easy Streets and the ricta slid better but were similar regarding feel. Didnt get to try them on really rough pavement but not a bad f4 99 replacement option and I never really see Ricta brought up here.

https://socalskateshop.com/Ricta-Speedrings-Wide-Skateboard-Wheels-White-53mm-101a.html
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Not liking the new shape/hardness of the speed rings, but that’s what the kids are into. The old 103 Speed rings where my favorites until they discontinued them.

Same here...I was a fan, not wanting to risk the new ones...I'm eyeing they *shudder* Nyjah super slims tho, shape looks great:

(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/Ricta-Wheels-NyjahHuston_SuperSlim_52_101-S.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on September 01, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
boardycakes benchwarmers 48.5 mm
(https://i.ibb.co/6ZNNLfM/289-E7-CB5-E0-C7-4-C34-BD6-B-299-B8-AFD9-F5-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LPvvH2F)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on September 03, 2020, 03:53:10 PM
Small wheels and baggy pants...We are full circle once again. The slim ricta cores also look pretty slick. Also feel some type of way about the Nyjahs but at least theyre not the black n gold ones. Waiting on OJ Nomads 95a to drop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on September 03, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
uhh so has anyone else noticed that dialtones don't slide?? skated down a hill today on them for the first time and luckily stuck a few times and was able to run them out. feel like you'd have to be going gx1000 speed for them to feel anywhere close to good for powerslides.

They’re definitely grippier than F4 (like most wheels) but they certainly slide. Haven’t tried em on a hill but could slide em on flat with little issue. Every wheel slides. Coming off F4 makes it tough but keep tryna break them in and they should get better.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 05, 2020, 04:21:10 PM
Small wheels and baggy pants...We are full circle once again. The slim ricta cores also look pretty slick. Also feel some type of way about the Nyjahs but at least theyre not the black n gold ones. Waiting on OJ Nomads 95a to drop.

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My friend just got the new Ricta Wide Speed Rings as the only f4 99s were swirled color and gotta say they felt very nice. Good shape too. Im still using Easy Streets and the ricta slid better but were similar regarding feel. Didnt get to try them on really rough pavement but not a bad f4 99 replacement option and I never really see Ricta brought up here.

https://socalskateshop.com/Ricta-Speedrings-Wide-Skateboard-Wheels-White-53mm-101a.html
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Not liking the new shape/hardness of the speed rings, but that’s what the kids are into. The old 103 Speed rings where my favorites until they discontinued them.
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Same here...I was a fan, not wanting to risk the new ones...I'm eyeing they *shudder* Nyjah super slims tho, shape looks great:

(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/Ricta-Wheels-NyjahHuston_SuperSlim_52_101-S.jpg)

So I bit because I needed grip and had to justify shipping costs ;)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UNf4n3K7xd9Z6LycyneURusXeKLyRiFE7pCVMWeP3R6jkO7ecX02M-mXkTnWGmdoMKP2rj0ROKenkxAq6KTNWjKcit1pjUZP7Ts-JjKCnDM5x8HVKBLbyQBjXT5FBjZlVsVdZAMVvIw)
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Bones V2 (L)         |               Ricta Nyjah 'super slim' (C)               |         Bones V3 (R) all 52mm (V3s might actually be 51).

Basically a slim Bones Lockin/Thinner Radial Slim; my pics makes it look more rounded than it is (the render/stock shot is 100% correct tho). Compared to a V1 (not shown) the lip/cut is more square, less rounded.

This is exactly they wheel shape/width I have been looking for. Was gunning for Spit tabs in 101 as I really like the bones V2s but not feeling the 99s since I'm not hitting any crust.

Note: there is no 'NRG' branding on them at all so no idea what Urethane they're using...probably just the standard flat-spot formula :P I'm not power sliding, so I should be good unless I get fucked with pushing that last 45 degrees on whatever.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on September 10, 2020, 02:42:41 PM
95a

https://youtu.be/HfIM4VR7QQU
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on September 11, 2020, 09:23:52 PM
Ojs had a 95a formula around 2013. Anybody try those?
 I will probably try those or the 97 f4 this fall, whatever comes out first. They will probably be great for skating in October/November.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on September 12, 2020, 05:03:13 AM
Since the F4 shortage I decided to go local and try a chilean brand called Insomnio which seems to be pretty decent.
Tested on the Valparaíso downhills by crazy guys, you can't get a better test than that.
Urethane feels good, not like that crappy glass feeling wheels. When I put my bearings it felt nice, so that's a good omen. Also I like how the bearings sits on the wheels.
Can't wait to try these 54 x 36 x 23 hopefully tomorrow.
(https://i.imgur.com/9Xl01bGl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YYGF6hFl.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on September 12, 2020, 06:45:32 AM
Ojs had a 95a formula around 2013. Anybody try those?
 I will probably try those or the 97 f4 this fall, whatever comes out first. They will probably be great for skating in October/November.

A slapper had a good experience on Speed Lab Danforth’s:

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/bill-danforth-pro-model-58mm-97a

Theses are made at Creative Urethane so I trust that the quality is similar to old school OJs.

I bought a set of 97a Slime Balls and I didn’t even set them up. They felt to plasticy for a 97a wheel.

I am also turned off by Chinese skate products but this is more of a perception issue I have.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sharkin on September 12, 2020, 06:57:33 AM
https://www.strange-house.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_53&products_id=9060&zenid=ebhn63n86jta8o2p818sp6c416

I skated a friends board these 60mm 95a speed labs and they were awesome. Didn’t try to slide em but they held fast and stable in a deep concrete bowl. I expected 95a to be sluggish. Thought they were slime balls because of the color and shape but they’re way better imo
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on September 12, 2020, 08:08:20 PM
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Ojs had a 95a formula around 2013. Anybody try those?
 I will probably try those or the 97 f4 this fall, whatever comes out first. They will probably be great for skating in October/November.
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Thanks for reminding me of these. A guy who showed us around a new town had a set of these, and he had them for 3 years.He ripped the concrete park, and said he really liked them. I could tell he was super comfortable on them by how they weee so worn in. I’ve wanted a set since.

A slapper had a good experience on Speed Lab Danforth’s:

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/bill-danforth-pro-model-58mm-97a

Theses are made at Creative Urethane so I trust that the quality is similar to old school OJs.

I bought a set of 97a Slime Balls and I didn’t even set them up. They felt to plasticy for a 97a wheel.

I am also turned off by Chinese skate products but this is more of a perception issue I have.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CBP on September 15, 2020, 08:07:16 PM
I been skating the 56mm vee shape Loophole wheels for a while. They perform like f4s but have better grip and as a result they roll slower. I haven't ran these with Thunder trucks but I have the impression would be annoying to slide bc of baseplate.

Otherwise good wheels, recommended.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sampo64700 on September 15, 2020, 10:27:02 PM
I bought a set of 97a Slime Balls and I didn’t even set them up. They felt to plasticy for a 97a wheel.

I am also turned off by Chinese skate products but this is more of a perception issue I have.
I've had a quite nice experience with the 97a 53mm Slime Balls, might be worth a try. A bit smoother than 99a F4's but still slide ok. Will definitely try the 97a F4's when they become available.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 15, 2020, 10:31:46 PM
Set up some Pig Primes in 52mm.
I’ve only done some slappies but they slide nicely. Weird transparent color and they feel slow. The slowness May be my new bearings. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 16, 2020, 09:23:02 AM
Set up some Pig Primes in 52mm.
I’ve only done some slappies but they slide nicely. Weird transparent color and they feel slow. The slowness May be my new bearings.

I wanna try them so bad. Keep us updated after you skated a while. Im curious how they hold up. I loved pig when I was younger.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on September 16, 2020, 10:53:27 PM
question about loophole: do they only come in 101a? how do they compare to 99a f4 in terms of feel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on September 17, 2020, 03:55:40 AM
I want to know why people all ridding their wheel with graphics on the inside? If you're locking into things the graphics still wear if that the reason no?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on September 17, 2020, 04:19:00 AM
I want to know why people all ridding their wheel with graphics on the inside? If you're locking into things the graphics still wear if that the reason no?

Because they look like shit when they’re scratched. Plus most wheel graphics suck anyway.

A plain white wheel will always look better, from the side of the board, on film as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 17, 2020, 04:28:16 AM
I want to know why people all ridding their wheel with graphics on the inside? If you're locking into things the graphics still wear if that the reason no?

A lot of people like having their wheels look plain from the outside, it's not so much about the graphic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on September 17, 2020, 04:43:10 AM
I want to know why people all ridding their wheel with graphics on the inside? If you're locking into things the graphics still wear if that the reason no?
It has nothing to do regarding keeping the graphic but who knows. In my case I do it because it distracts me seeing the graphic rolling and even worse when is scratched.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 17, 2020, 06:26:49 AM
question about loophole: do they only come in 101a? how do they compare to 99a f4 in terms of feel?

I'm skating mine and honestly they feel really similar. I am not a 101a fun but these do feel quite good and don't rattle my teeth at all. @Gay Imp Sausage Metal has spent a bunch of time on his, I think @Buttfart Rapedick has as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 17, 2020, 06:47:44 AM
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question about loophole: do they only come in 101a? how do they compare to 99a f4 in terms of feel?
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I'm skating mine and honestly they feel really similar. I am not a 101a fun but these do feel quite good and don't rattle my teeth at all. @Gay Imp Sausage Metal has spent a bunch of time on his, I think @Buttfart Rapedick has as well.
they only come in one hardness! I usually only ride f4 99s and they do tend to feel a tad bit harder than 99s but not teeth rattling like old PFC 101s. I don't usually go for 101s either but they seem like a happy medium to me, I'm hooked for the meantime, powerslides are like a dream on them!!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 17, 2020, 07:26:49 AM
question about loophole: do they only come in 101a? how do they compare to 99a f4 in terms of feel?

Yeah, they only come in that hardness. They feel similar to 101 F4’s but with a little less jarring feel when rolling, like the impact of crusty streets is absorbed a little better. They grip more than F4’s and that aspect feels like the newer Bones easy street 99a natural color wheels I’ve tried.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: newspaperparty on September 17, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
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Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
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mine are coming in monday, super hyped ;D
what size truck are you running relative to the deck width? im hoping to run a little bit of magic carpet if they are wide enough
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Nice! This setup has 149s on an 8.5.  The edge of the wheel is basically flush with the axle nut
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word thanks man. might have to add more axle washers to push them out

Anyone have any input on the various boardy cakes formulas and if they flat spot easily? Been really wanting to pull the trigger on some but not sure. Wanting some benchwarmers I think
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IrritableBowel2 on September 17, 2020, 01:58:09 PM
Riding Benchwarmers right now, but only one session in. No flatspots, but only one session. I actually liked them, and I haven't liked any non f4's in a long time. They sound and feel right. Super wide wheel harder to slide than F4 Classics, but definitely slidable, and it chirps/squeaks ok.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on September 17, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
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question about loophole: do they only come in 101a? how do they compare to 99a f4 in terms of feel?
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Yeah, they only come in that hardness. They feel similar to 101 F4’s but with a little less jarring feel when rolling, like the impact of crusty streets is absorbed a little better. They grip more than F4’s and that aspect feels like the newer Bones easy street 99a natural color wheels I’ve tried.

sounds good, maybe i'll try. thx for the reply!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on September 18, 2020, 10:07:31 PM
Thinking of giving Spitifre F4 another go. Which shape would be the closest match to a Bones V3?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 18, 2020, 10:52:56 PM
Thinking of giving Spitifre F4 another go. Which shape would be the closest match to a Bones V3?
There's not a great match for the v3 in the f4 catalog right now. Classics are probably the most similar in performance, but are wider and heavier. Tablets might also be worth a shot; the contact patch is bigger and theyre a bit more square, but they're a good weight and width match for the v3.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 18, 2020, 10:57:20 PM
Thinking of giving Spitifre F4 another go. Which shape would be the closest match to a Bones V3?

radial slim probably
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: os89 on September 18, 2020, 11:01:08 PM
Thinking of giving Spitifre F4 another go. Which shape would be the closest match to a Bones V3?

If they are V3s slims, good luck. My friend has them and those are pretty fucking skinny.

Classics are the most similar shape I think, but not maybe in actual contact patch and width.

Basically wait for some pal to come along and tell us we’re all wrong and what’s the correct option
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on September 19, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
Yeah they are the V3 which are really skinny, slimmer than the v1. I like how light they are, I rode some v2 in 53mm and they felt heavy by comparison.

Wondering if spitfires in 101a will give me a better slide and handle crust better. Rolling over brick walkways on v3 is bone jarring.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 19, 2020, 01:54:38 AM
Yeah they are the V3 which are really skinny, slimmer than the v1. I like how light they are, I rode some v2 in 53mm and they felt heavy by comparison.

Wondering if spitfires in 101a will give me a better slide and handle crust better. Rolling over brick walkways on v3 is bone jarring.

Because v3s are just about the skinniest wheels ever made. Even going to v1 or v2 should make a noticeable difference. I remember loving classic slims (similar to v3s) back in the day in carparks but not being able to skate them on rough street terrain.

Though I don't think any current spitfire shape will really be lighter than v2s if you found those heavy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 21, 2020, 02:37:49 AM
Got some new Boardycakes 48.5mm 99a.  Looking forward to skating these little baked potatoes.

These are SUPER wide and remind me of the first new wheels I ever bought (powell jellyballs).

44mm Boardcakes for comparison. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50278512047_fb2164b406_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50277681378_59d7b038dd_z.jpg)
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I was just looking at these but decided to go with the bundts, thinking both that they would be fatter than they are and that there wouldn't be such an extreme difference. I now see the error of my ways, and I should have known to consult with you since you've tried damn near everything haha. Guess I'm getting another set of boardy cakes. The bundts are cool but pretty impractical for what I skate. Those bench warmers look like the can handle a bit of crust or the acorn carpets that show up this time of year, plus I'm a fan of creative's 99a formula which is what I assume these are?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on September 21, 2020, 02:54:34 AM
question about loophole: do they only come in 101a? how do they compare to 99a f4 in terms of feel?

Since @FrozenIndustries summoned me I guess I'll give you my usual spiel about them. I've got 3 sets of loophole/NFG and I really like them. They're hard (55D which is more like 102 or 103a I guess) but don't skate like it. I skate mostly east coast crust and they handle it better than any other wheel over 99a I've tried. They don't rattle your teeth and they hold speed really well, which helps them to just kind of glide over rough stuff. The shapes are excellent if you like wide wheels, I like the 54 squares for most applications but the V cut are great for commuting and just monster trucking over debris and cracks. They don't feel overly heavy either despite the size. Slide is pretty slick at first but once you get the glossy top layer off it becomes a little more predictable and is easy to control.

The cons are theyre hand poured with high quality urethane so they often have bubbles or blemishes which doesn't affect the performance but some people dislike. The graphics can be rubbed off easily and they'll be pretty much gone after a week or so but again that's just aesthetics. The shapes might be a little wide if you're not used to skating a V4 wide or conical full type wheel.

As for how they stack up against F4 99a - they aren't better in my opinion. They are, however, pretty close and a nice change of pace. I think the best way to think of them is as a compliment to my F4 rather than a replacement. I do prefer them to F4 101a, but the 99 are still the king of the mountain for me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on September 21, 2020, 12:26:28 PM
I have a set of loophole 56mm V shapes that I skated at a smooth concrete park for an hour, so they're still basically brand new. $30 shipping included if anyone wants em. DM me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 25, 2020, 03:27:23 PM
Ok yeah

My loopholes require custom size spacers. Larger not smaller. I knew that it was different from view just the wrong way.

I threw my regs red in there temporary till I can go to the store fix it

They're nice so far
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 25, 2020, 03:37:19 PM
I want to know why people all ridding their wheel with graphics on the inside? If you're locking into things the graphics still wear if that the reason no?

I leave one graphic out. My front right.

I can't remember why.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on September 25, 2020, 08:07:04 PM
Grabbed the 53mm 95 a Nomads and theyre def unique.

(https://i.ibb.co/GJ10xJD/IMG-8164.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfBwgV9/Ou.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZBzHDFt/two.jpg)


Ive been riding easy streets v1 a while for 3 months and use 92a clouds for crusty NJ streets.

I will say these have a higher rebound than easy streets or f4 99s but they are unique. The hardness and rebound diff is noticable coming from 99 stf/f4 to these. On rough NJ pavement they do very well, similar to 92 clounds but much better than easystreets 99a. As expected, sliding is inbeteen the two. On smooth pavement it feels like clouds. Amazing feeling. Fast and super smooth on transition with needed tackyness but can still revert. They do slide much better than the 92a clouds, however, you wil have to use slightly more effort than 99 stf/f4. I have been skating a slick metal half and a crusty nj spot so these are perfect, however, I cant be 100% yet, need a lil more time. Takes some time to get used to. I def dont need the 92 clouds any more but I may want harder wheels for a nice smooth park. Great shape. Really enjoying them. Nice contact patch and space without added weight of bulky wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 26, 2020, 03:09:36 PM
I scored on some trades today boi!!!!!

Got like 2 hrs in Salem. I should have called more homies. Next time.

The loop holes are sick as helk. Same type of stuff? Who knows. Only time will tell.

54 loop next to worn spit classic 55

Regular crust marks. Typical of NE spots on an f4.

(https://i.ibb.co/zPPy8PC/16011574516276594691239632541183.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zPPy8PC)

Then my homie trades me some nice bones for a set of my f4 conicals. I have 3 sets of old conicals so I was like sure man.

The last bones wheel I had was a DTF DITCH TECH FORMULA!! Im going to test them like this winter when I'm only fucking with ledges..

(https://i.ibb.co/T1Fjp1R/16011575691222969542076206783099.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T1Fjp1R)

(https://i.ibb.co/KhXgtzc/16011575976426546980336587832851.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KhXgtzc)

There's more Trades to post about!!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 26, 2020, 03:48:01 PM
I want to know why people all ridding their wheel with graphics on the inside? If you're locking into things the graphics still wear if that the reason no?
I never buy a wheel based on graphic. Always graphic inside and yeah the graphic will wear from locking against it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on September 26, 2020, 08:10:40 PM
After talking shit on OJ's on twitter, I bought some just to try them since I hadn't skated them since I was a 13 year old. Landed the first eight things I tried, so they're staying on for a bit. But, I will say that the 101a does not slide well on asphalt hills, so my little front 180, switch 180 to hill bomb was...interesting.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 26, 2020, 08:19:13 PM
After talking shit on OJ's on twitter, I bought some just to try them since I hadn't skated them since I was a 13 year old. Landed the first eight things I tried, so they're staying on for a bit. But, I will say that the 101a does not slide well on asphalt hills, so my little front 180, switch 180 to hill bomb was...interesting.

Elites or the regular (which are the pure concentrate)? The pure concentrates are shit...soft and sluggish feeling
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on September 26, 2020, 08:34:32 PM
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After talking shit on OJ's on twitter, I bought some just to try them since I hadn't skated them since I was a 13 year old. Landed the first eight things I tried, so they're staying on for a bit. But, I will say that the 101a does not slide well on asphalt hills, so my little front 180, switch 180 to hill bomb was...interesting.
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Elites or the regular (which are the pure concentrate)? The pure concentrates are shit...soft and sluggish feeling

Elite. 52mm EZ Edge.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on September 27, 2020, 01:00:12 AM
Anyone know any online channels selling Spitfires? We are getting nothing but fakes here in Asia, even some of the reputed shops are selling either China counterfeits or non-brand wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on September 27, 2020, 07:30:06 AM
got my new set of f4s with some new big balls on my setup, but it's been raining the last two days. thinking about going to the parking house a few blocks away.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 27, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
Anyone know any online channels selling Spitfires? We are getting nothing but fakes here in Asia, even some of the reputed shops are selling either China counterfeits or non-brand wheels.

Check your pm. My local has some classics tabs and conicals.
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Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 27, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
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Check your pm. My local has some classics tabs and conicals.

Spitfire F4 dealer >>>>> weed dealer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on September 27, 2020, 06:29:41 PM
After talking shit on OJ's on twitter, I bought some just to try them since I hadn't skated them since I was a 13 year old. Landed the first eight things I tried, so they're staying on for a bit. But, I will say that the 101a does not slide well on asphalt hills, so my little front 180, switch 180 to hill bomb was...interesting.
One of the craziest hill bombs I did was on a set of darkstars in the early 2000's. I found out too late when I was going fast that they didn't powerslide so I rode out this hill on some rattling cored wheels hoping they wouldn't meet a rock/crack beyond their limit on the way down. The feeling of surrender in those situations is unparalleled.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: augustmoon on September 27, 2020, 06:43:21 PM
Grabbed the 53mm 95 a Nomads and theyre def unique.

(https://i.ibb.co/GJ10xJD/IMG-8164.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfBwgV9/Ou.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZBzHDFt/two.jpg)


Ive been riding easy streets v1 a while for 3 months and use 92a clouds for crusty NJ streets.

I will say these have a higher rebound than easy streets or f4 99s but they are unique. The hardness and rebound diff is noticable coming from 99 stf/f4 to these. On rough NJ pavement they do very well, similar to 92 clounds but much better than easystreets 99a. As expected, sliding is inbeteen the two. On smooth pavement it feels like clouds. Amazing feeling. Fast and super smooth on transition with needed tackyness but can still revert. They do slide much better than the 92a clouds, however, you wil have to use slightly more effort than 99 stf/f4. I have been skating a slick metal half and a crusty nj spot so these are perfect, however, I cant be 100% yet, need a lil more time. Takes some time to get used to. I def dont need the 92 clouds any more but I may want harder wheels for a nice smooth park. Great shape. Really enjoying them. Nice contact patch and space without added weight of bulky wheels.

i wanted to get these but was worried they'd be too soft, so i got some 53 101a hardline shape.  Ive been riding my last set of elites for at least 9 months.  I felt the same way about OJ, but i gotta say these are the best wheels I've had in forever and I'll probably keep riding OJs for the foreseeable future. 
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Post by: jay_nev on September 29, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
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Grabbed the 53mm 95 a Nomads and theyre def unique.

(https://i.ibb.co/GJ10xJD/IMG-8164.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfBwgV9/Ou.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZBzHDFt/two.jpg)


Ive been riding easy streets v1 a while for 3 months and use 92a clouds for crusty NJ streets.

I will say these have a higher rebound than easy streets or f4 99s but they are unique. The hardness and rebound diff is noticable coming from 99 stf/f4 to these. On rough NJ pavement they do very well, similar to 92 clounds but much better than easystreets 99a. As expected, sliding is inbeteen the two. On smooth pavement it feels like clouds. Amazing feeling. Fast and super smooth on transition with needed tackyness but can still revert. They do slide much better than the 92a clouds, however, you wil have to use slightly more effort than 99 stf/f4. I have been skating a slick metal half and a crusty nj spot so these are perfect, however, I cant be 100% yet, need a lil more time. Takes some time to get used to. I def dont need the 92 clouds any more but I may want harder wheels for a nice smooth park. Great shape. Really enjoying them. Nice contact patch and space without added weight of bulky wheels.
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i wanted to get these but was worried they'd be too soft, so i got some 53 101a hardline shape.  Ive been riding my last set of elites for at least 9 months.  I felt the same way about OJ, but i gotta say these are the best wheels I've had in forever and I'll probably keep riding OJs for the foreseeable future. 

https://youtu.be/ug3ximdCcuA
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2020, 05:21:46 PM
Knowing how grippy (in general) the Elite formula is, I'd go with the F4 97a as a blind buy over the 95a Elites.

I really enjoy the 101 hardlines tho. Fast and grippy but still slide just got to push them a bit more and have much less fear of the slide breaking free.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on October 02, 2020, 05:28:32 AM
Looking for some recommendations that are like the Spitfire Conical F4 I ride either 52 or 53mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 02, 2020, 08:15:42 AM
Looking for some recommendations that are like the Spitfire Conical F4 I ride either 52 or 53mm.
loopholes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Colt Cannon's Cargos on October 02, 2020, 09:37:49 AM
Just ordered some AWS Clone wheels because I had a discount code and they are conicals. How disappointed am I going to be coming from F4s?
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Post by: tyshoes on October 02, 2020, 03:15:06 PM
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Grabbed the 53mm 95 a Nomads and theyre def unique.

(https://i.ibb.co/GJ10xJD/IMG-8164.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfBwgV9/Ou.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZBzHDFt/two.jpg)


Ive been riding easy streets v1 a while for 3 months and use 92a clouds for crusty NJ streets.

I will say these have a higher rebound than easy streets or f4 99s but they are unique. The hardness and rebound diff is noticable coming from 99 stf/f4 to these. On rough NJ pavement they do very well, similar to 92 clounds but much better than easystreets 99a. As expected, sliding is inbeteen the two. On smooth pavement it feels like clouds. Amazing feeling. Fast and super smooth on transition with needed tackyness but can still revert. They do slide much better than the 92a clouds, however, you wil have to use slightly more effort than 99 stf/f4. I have been skating a slick metal half and a crusty nj spot so these are perfect, however, I cant be 100% yet, need a lil more time. Takes some time to get used to. I def dont need the 92 clouds any more but I may want harder wheels for a nice smooth park. Great shape. Really enjoying them. Nice contact patch and space without added weight of bulky wheels.
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i wanted to get these but was worried they'd be too soft, so i got some 53 101a hardline shape.  Ive been riding my last set of elites for at least 9 months.  I felt the same way about OJ, but i gotta say these are the best wheels I've had in forever and I'll probably keep riding OJs for the foreseeable future. 
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https://youtu.be/ug3ximdCcuA

Nice

These are leaning more towards soft than I would prefer. Not bad but I can def notice more speed with the easy streets and the tackyness is a little tricky for backside stuff you slide to finish. Bigspins specifically. Id be interested in the 97a f4s but these will do for a while. Feels similar to the mini slimeball vomits 97a. Still 99 f4/stf seem the best overall.

For the people looking for f4's have you google searched? I still see lots of places with them including zumiez. Heres a couple links

http://www.upriseskateboards.com/skateboards/hardgoods/wheels-cid-32

https://www.evo.com/shop/skateboard/wheels/spitfire
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on October 02, 2020, 03:21:59 PM
Just ordered some AWS Clone wheels because I had a discount code and they are conicals. How disappointed am I going to be coming from F4s?
Very according to somebody in here when I asked how those wheels were.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on October 02, 2020, 03:27:43 PM
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Just ordered some AWS Clone wheels because I had a discount code and they are conicals. How disappointed am I going to be coming from F4s?
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Very according to somebody in here when I asked how those wheels were.

Take peoples opinions with a grain of salt here. Im sure theyre not THAT bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 02, 2020, 03:33:17 PM
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Just ordered some AWS Clone wheels because I had a discount code and they are conicals. How disappointed am I going to be coming from F4s?
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Very according to somebody in here when I asked how those wheels were.
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Take peoples opinions with a grain of salt here. Im sure theyre not THAT bad.

SPITFIRE F4 OR DIE
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on October 02, 2020, 04:53:51 PM
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Grabbed the 53mm 95 a Nomads and theyre def unique.

(https://i.ibb.co/GJ10xJD/IMG-8164.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfBwgV9/Ou.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZBzHDFt/two.jpg)


Ive been riding easy streets v1 a while for 3 months and use 92a clouds for crusty NJ streets.

I will say these have a higher rebound than easy streets or f4 99s but they are unique. The hardness and rebound diff is noticable coming from 99 stf/f4 to these. On rough NJ pavement they do very well, similar to 92 clounds but much better than easystreets 99a. As expected, sliding is inbeteen the two. On smooth pavement it feels like clouds. Amazing feeling. Fast and super smooth on transition with needed tackyness but can still revert. They do slide much better than the 92a clouds, however, you wil have to use slightly more effort than 99 stf/f4. I have been skating a slick metal half and a crusty nj spot so these are perfect, however, I cant be 100% yet, need a lil more time. Takes some time to get used to. I def dont need the 92 clouds any more but I may want harder wheels for a nice smooth park. Great shape. Really enjoying them. Nice contact patch and space without added weight of bulky wheels.
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i wanted to get these but was worried they'd be too soft, so i got some 53 101a hardline shape.  Ive been riding my last set of elites for at least 9 months.  I felt the same way about OJ, but i gotta say these are the best wheels I've had in forever and I'll probably keep riding OJs for the foreseeable future. 
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Nice

These are leaning more towards soft than I would prefer. Not bad but I can def notice more speed with the easy streets and the tackyness is a little tricky for backside stuff you slide to finish. Bigspins specifically. Id be interested in the 97a f4s but these will do for a while. Feels similar to the mini slimeball vomits 97a. Still 99 f4/stf seem the best overall.

For the people looking for f4's have you google searched? I still see lots of places with them including zumiez. Heres a couple links

http://www.upriseskateboards.com/skateboards/hardgoods/wheels-cid-32

https://www.evo.com/shop/skateboard/wheels/spitfire

did the treads wear off? Powerslide? How are they for rough pavement? Haven’t tried 97a slime balls
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 02, 2020, 06:50:24 PM
The loop holes are nice.

From what I see they're not going to flat spot.
like my f4s when I slide hard on crust they score.

Trying them at the park tomorrow
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 02, 2020, 07:46:38 PM
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Just ordered some AWS Clone wheels because I had a discount code and they are conicals. How disappointed am I going to be coming from F4s?
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Very according to somebody in here when I asked how those wheels were.
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Take peoples opinions with a grain of salt here. Im sure theyre not THAT bad.
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SPITFIRE F4 OR DIE

I'm the one who said they're horrible, and they're horrible. I had the slim 52s and they were garbage.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Colt Cannon's Cargos on October 02, 2020, 08:16:51 PM
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Just ordered some AWS Clone wheels because I had a discount code and they are conicals. How disappointed am I going to be coming from F4s?
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Very according to somebody in here when I asked how those wheels were.
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Take peoples opinions with a grain of salt here. Im sure theyre not THAT bad.
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SPITFIRE F4 OR DIE
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I'm the one who said they're horrible, and they're horrible. I had the slim 52s and they were garbage.

Welp, I'm not expecting much any way. I won't throw out my current F4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 03, 2020, 03:30:40 AM
When are the 97a F4s dropping?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on October 03, 2020, 11:46:45 AM
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Grabbed the 53mm 95 a Nomads and theyre def unique.

(https://i.ibb.co/GJ10xJD/IMG-8164.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfBwgV9/Ou.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZBzHDFt/two.jpg)


Ive been riding easy streets v1 a while for 3 months and use 92a clouds for crusty NJ streets.

I will say these have a higher rebound than easy streets or f4 99s but they are unique. The hardness and rebound diff is noticable coming from 99 stf/f4 to these. On rough NJ pavement they do very well, similar to 92 clounds but much better than easystreets 99a. As expected, sliding is inbeteen the two. On smooth pavement it feels like clouds. Amazing feeling. Fast and super smooth on transition with needed tackyness but can still revert. They do slide much better than the 92a clouds, however, you wil have to use slightly more effort than 99 stf/f4. I have been skating a slick metal half and a crusty nj spot so these are perfect, however, I cant be 100% yet, need a lil more time. Takes some time to get used to. I def dont need the 92 clouds any more but I may want harder wheels for a nice smooth park. Great shape. Really enjoying them. Nice contact patch and space without added weight of bulky wheels.
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i wanted to get these but was worried they'd be too soft, so i got some 53 101a hardline shape.  Ive been riding my last set of elites for at least 9 months.  I felt the same way about OJ, but i gotta say these are the best wheels I've had in forever and I'll probably keep riding OJs for the foreseeable future. 
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https://youtu.be/ug3ximdCcuA
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Nice

These are leaning more towards soft than I would prefer. Not bad but I can def notice more speed with the easy streets and the tackyness is a little tricky for backside stuff you slide to finish. Bigspins specifically. Id be interested in the 97a f4s but these will do for a while. Feels similar to the mini slimeball vomits 97a. Still 99 f4/stf seem the best overall.

For the people looking for f4's have you google searched? I still see lots of places with them including zumiez. Heres a couple links

http://www.upriseskateboards.com/skateboards/hardgoods/wheels-cid-32

https://www.evo.com/shop/skateboard/wheels/spitfire

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did the treads wear off? Powerslide? How are they for rough pavement? Haven’t tried 97a slime balls

No these come smooth, no treads. Good for rough pavement and more tacky than 99 stf or f4. Not the best for smooth surfaces.

Edit: Just had a longer session with these and theyre a little too tacky for transition which is kinda what Ive been focusing on, so If we have anyone interested in the 53mm Nomads, Id be willing to trade for some f4s 52+ or some elite 99+ . Maybe consider some others. Otherwise I can do $27 shipped on these. Skated 3 times maybe 3 hours on them. I just put back my easy streets back on and preferr them on trasition and park. For the crusty stuff, The 92a clouds are just as good as these on rought stuff but dont slide as well. If youre someone who skates arounda lot,skates street and park, bombs hills, these are the wheels for you becasue theyre as close as I think we are right now, for good to excellent performance in all terrains, but I just drive to spots so I just Im up to try a 99/101 or a f4 97 whenever those drop, and stick with the easy street/99a stf and clouds for rough terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 04, 2020, 09:08:44 AM
I feel like you need to give wheels more than 3 hours to really break them in. F4s take a few sessions before you really get a sense of the slip to grip ratio. Might be the same with these OJs?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on October 04, 2020, 10:56:43 AM
I feel like you need to give wheels more than 3 hours to really break them in. F4s take a few sessions before you really get a sense of the slip to grip ratio. Might be the same with these OJs?

You may be right. These feel more like soft wheels than f4s/typical though. Imma keep them going for a lil while see if I adapt or just go back to the stf 99s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JANUS on October 04, 2020, 12:04:30 PM
I was skating a curb today with some relatively new formula four tablets and a few little chunks popped off them. My last formula fours were lock-ins and they stood up to way more punishment.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 04, 2020, 07:33:45 PM
Took the plunge and skated a full session with Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm, not the fancy F4 stuff, after riding bones for close to a year. Got to say I'm very impressed and kick myself for not trying them sooner. The slide on ledges was very consistent and being able to roll over crust was much appreciated. They were wider than I liked, maybe I'll try a conical or tablet next in a 52mm.

Even the 99a felt better than the Bones Easy Streets which still felt hard and plastic-y.

My only gripe was the classics were red and coupled with my green graphic made it look like Xmas came early.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on October 04, 2020, 10:00:32 PM
Has anyone had experience with boardy cake wheels? I threw on some sml 40s on my curb board and love it and was wondering if there's info on the boardy cake 42 and 44mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dunc on October 04, 2020, 11:55:21 PM
Took the plunge and skated a full session with Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm, not the fancy F4 stuff, after riding bones for close to a year. Got to say I'm very impressed and kick myself for not trying them sooner. The slide on ledges was very consistent and being able to roll over crust was much appreciated. They were wider than I liked, maybe I'll try a conical or tablet next in a 52mm.

Even the 99a felt better than the Bones Easy Streets which still felt hard and plastic-y.

My only gripe was the classics were red and coupled with my green graphic made it look like Xmas came early.

I just got some Easy streets and they aint easy. Lack of spitfires where I live due to covid shipping has left me wanting. The Sleazy streets seem to slide then bite at random times. Spitfire f4s are wheel heaven. I can't wait for them to come back to NZ.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 05, 2020, 01:41:58 AM
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Took the plunge and skated a full session with Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm, not the fancy F4 stuff, after riding bones for close to a year. Got to say I'm very impressed and kick myself for not trying them sooner. The slide on ledges was very consistent and being able to roll over crust was much appreciated. They were wider than I liked, maybe I'll try a conical or tablet next in a 52mm.

Even the 99a felt better than the Bones Easy Streets which still felt hard and plastic-y.

My only gripe was the classics were red and coupled with my green graphic made it look like Xmas came early.
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I just got some Easy streets and they aint easy. Lack of spitfires where I live due to covid shipping has left me wanting. The Sleazy streets seem to slide then bite at random times. Spitfire f4s are wheel heaven. I can't wait for them to come back to NZ.

Honestly did not expect to like the 99a and wider Classic shape as much as I did. I noticed it most on FS Noseslides, on Bones I would often stick even with a proper lock and speed. Didn't have that problem with the "cheaper" Classic forumal which slid consistently every time, which in turn gave me the confidence to go even faster and try to slide further. The 54mm Classic was way bigger than I liked but got used to the heft mid way through the session.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on October 05, 2020, 03:18:54 AM
Took the plunge and skated a full session with Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm, not the fancy F4 stuff, after riding bones for close to a year. Got to say I'm very impressed and kick myself for not trying them sooner. The slide on ledges was very consistent and being able to roll over crust was much appreciated. They were wider than I liked, maybe I'll try a conical or tablet next in a 52mm.

Even the 99a felt better than the Bones Easy Streets which still felt hard and plastic-y.

My only gripe was the classics were red and coupled with my green graphic made it look like Xmas came early.
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Guessing that you didn't meant to put the first "F4"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: woodinbrine on October 05, 2020, 03:59:55 AM
Has anyone had experience with boardy cake wheels? I threw on some sml 40s on my curb board and love it and was wondering if there's info on the boardy cake 42 and 44mm.

42mm Boardy Cakes on a mellow mini ramp rates really high on the fun scale for me. Great for curb stuff too. I have them on a Polar football, makes a lot of people come up to me curious about my setup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on October 05, 2020, 07:58:58 AM
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Took the plunge and skated a full session with Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm, not the fancy F4 stuff, after riding bones for close to a year. Got to say I'm very impressed and kick myself for not trying them sooner. The slide on ledges was very consistent and being able to roll over crust was much appreciated. They were wider than I liked, maybe I'll try a conical or tablet next in a 52mm.

Even the 99a felt better than the Bones Easy Streets which still felt hard and plastic-y.

My only gripe was the classics were red and coupled with my green graphic made it look like Xmas came early.
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Guessing that you didn't meant to put the first "F4"

or he's skating f4 classic shape? instead of conical,...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on October 05, 2020, 08:13:58 AM
I was skating a curb today with some relatively new formula four tablets and a few little chunks popped off them. My last formula fours were lock-ins and they stood up to way more punishment.

My F4 tablets did the same during their whole life (they are close to retirement now). It stops for a bit after going down a couple of millimeters in size, then it gets worse again when I rode down about 4-5 mms. Never bothered the actual performance of my tablets, was always just cosmetics...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 05, 2020, 08:50:15 AM
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Took the plunge and skated a full session with Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm, not the fancy F4 stuff, after riding bones for close to a year. Got to say I'm very impressed and kick myself for not trying them sooner. The slide on ledges was very consistent and being able to roll over crust was much appreciated. They were wider than I liked, maybe I'll try a conical or tablet next in a 52mm.

Even the 99a felt better than the Bones Easy Streets which still felt hard and plastic-y.

My only gripe was the classics were red and coupled with my green graphic made it look like Xmas came early.
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Guessing that you didn't meant to put the first "F4"
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or he's skating f4 classic shape? instead of conical,...

Yeah typo on the first F4 - classic formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Skatebeard on October 05, 2020, 09:02:34 AM
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Has anyone had experience with boardy cake wheels? I threw on some sml 40s on my curb board and love it and was wondering if there's info on the boardy cake 42 and 44mm.
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42mm Boardy Cakes on a mellow mini ramp rates really high on the fun scale for me. Great for curb stuff too. I have them on a Polar football, makes a lot of people come up to me curious about my setup.

Just took delivery of some 44mm Fat Bundts today for my "90s" setup... 8" chocolate deck with venture V-hollow lows.

They look awesome, like sweets! Nice quality feel to the urethane as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JANUS on October 05, 2020, 10:59:07 AM
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I was skating a curb today with some relatively new formula four tablets and a few little chunks popped off them. My last formula fours were lock-ins and they stood up to way more punishment.
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My F4 tablets did the same during their whole life (they are close to retirement now). It stops for a bit after going down a couple of millimeters in size, then it gets worse again when I rode down about 4-5 mms. Never bothered the actual performance of my tablets, was always just cosmetics...

Yeah, they’re still working fine, and I do like them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Colt Cannon's Cargos on October 10, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
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Just ordered some AWS Clone wheels because I had a discount code and they are conicals. How disappointed am I going to be coming from F4s?
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Very according to somebody in here when I asked how those wheels were.
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Take peoples opinions with a grain of salt here. Im sure theyre not THAT bad.

Just skated the Clone wheels. This take was spot on, they're not too bad at all. They feel like the classic Spitfire formula to me. I'll be back to F4 eventually, but these will do for now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tyshoes on October 14, 2020, 12:41:13 PM
Glad to hear. Still on the fence with the Nomads.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on October 14, 2020, 06:03:48 PM
I'm riding Spitfires F4 conicals 101a atm. They are very sticky is this usual for them? I've never ridden them before. Even when doing small slides on rougher ground the get marks in them. Not flat sport, more do decent scratches. My Bones never did that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 14, 2020, 06:36:27 PM
You’re riding fake F4s then?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 14, 2020, 06:52:24 PM
I'm riding Spitfires F4 conicals 101a atm. They are very sticky is this usual for them? I've never ridden them before. Even when doing small slides on rougher ground the get marks in them. Not flat sport, more do decent scratches. My Bones never did that.

Where did you get them?

Post a pic of the wheel graphic if you can, because the fake ones all seem to have overlapping colours on the graphic and it goes right to the edge of the wheel, whereas the normal ones do not.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 14, 2020, 07:19:56 PM
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I'm riding Spitfires F4 conicals 101a atm. They are very sticky is this usual for them? I've never ridden them before. Even when doing small slides on rougher ground the get marks in them. Not flat sport, more do decent scratches. My Bones never did that.
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Where did you get them?

Post a pic of the wheel graphic if you can, because the fake ones all seem to have overlapping colours on the graphic and it goes right to the edge of the wheel, whereas the normal ones do not.

Definitely post pics, managed to get my hands on some a few weeks ago. Haven't ridden them but the color looks a little off already, it's a glowing, almost translucent white instead of a yellow-white:

(https://i.imgur.com/M20dKeMl.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/UCfpabTl.jpg?1)

I'd be interested to see how they perform. I just got on my first set of F4 a few weeks ago and getting used to them so I can benchmark them against these wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 14, 2020, 07:33:21 PM
Is that a join line running down the middle of the wheel surface too?

Fascinating to see fake copies, but sad if people are buying them thinking they are the real deal.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on October 14, 2020, 07:33:32 PM
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I'm riding Spitfires F4 conicals 101a atm. They are very sticky is this usual for them? I've never ridden them before. Even when doing small slides on rougher ground the get marks in them. Not flat sport, more do decent scratches. My Bones never did that.
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Where did you get them?

Post a pic of the wheel graphic if you can, because the fake ones all seem to have overlapping colours on the graphic and it goes right to the edge of the wheel, whereas the normal ones do not.
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Definitely post pics, managed to get my hands on some a few weeks ago. Haven't ridden them but the color looks a little off already, it's a glowing, almost translucent white instead of a yellow-white:

(https://i.imgur.com/M20dKeMl.jpg?1)
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I'd be interested to see how they perform. I just got on my first set of F4 a few weeks ago and getting used to them so I can benchmark them against these wheels.
yeah that font for the conical full text isn’t right and the graphic goes too far

https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/8-IDMekfzMCOTP8OZNaXzQniL_Q=/fit-in/412x480/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/106377-0-Spitfire-FormulaFourConicalFull53mm.jpg

(https://www.slapmagazine.com/blob:https://www.slapmagazine.com/e3dbefc8-991f-4582-ae8d-28c18aa9ae69)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 14, 2020, 07:43:38 PM
(https://mk0supereightneputum.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Conical-Full-52mm-Wheels-White-02.jpg)

Not really seeing the CONICAL FULL text difference but I can see how the graphic is really pushed to the edge on the fake ones.

Is it just me or does the flame head look out of position?
On the originals the conical section cuts into the outer 25% of the flaming head.
On the fakes it looks like the conical section cuts past the 50% of the flaming head.

Original here:
(https://d2h1pu99sxkfvn.cloudfront.net/b0/6403122/351373397_uyF3P8t7dU/P0.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 14, 2020, 08:07:42 PM
As you said re flame head logo, you can really see how the different colours are not aligned on the fake ones, eg look at the gold which is offset to the white of the eyes with the black surrounds.

Are they the same shape as the real ones or a bit more generic shape?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 14, 2020, 09:08:20 PM
You guys buying from aliexpress or something?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 15, 2020, 02:06:43 AM
You guys buying from aliexpress or something?

They are on ebay as well, which I have seen (and NOT about to buy), but I heard they are actually being sold in other places too, even some shops in Asian countries but don't know how true this is.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 15, 2020, 02:26:39 AM
Seen on Amazon, Ebay, Aliexpress and some shops in Asia (even core ones) have been selling them. Fake Baker, Element, Crail decks and Independent trucks (139, 144, 149) in Hollow and Hollow Forged.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on October 15, 2020, 02:54:23 AM
I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )

Here's an image of them

(https://i.ibb.co/whj1NWQ/187A9692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/whj1NWQ)image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 15, 2020, 02:58:18 AM
Seen on Amazon, Ebay, Aliexpress and some shops in Asia (even core ones) have been selling them. Fake Baker, Element, Crail decks and Independent trucks (139, 144, 149) in Hollow and Hollow Forged.

Off the topic of wheels, but the funniest thing I have seen is a set of the fake Indy trucks that have USA on the bottom, just like the old USA made ones, even though now the legit ones are all made in China and have blank bottoms.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 15, 2020, 03:04:41 AM
I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )


They are the normal legit Spitfire Formula Four wheels, from that graphic at least.  I know they feel grippier than Bones wheels so they might take some getting used to.  There are very few remaining in Australia, but there are still enough if you know where to look, or check shops that are not usually selling online, but I haven't seen any fakes actually in Australia yet in all my travels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 15, 2020, 10:47:20 AM
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I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )

Here's an image of them

(https://i.ibb.co/whj1NWQ/187A9692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/whj1NWQ)image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
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They are the normal legit Spitfire Formula Four wheels, from that graphic at least.  I know they feel grippier than Bones wheels so they might take some getting used to.  There are very few remaining in Australia, but there are still enough if you know where to look, or check shops that are not usually selling online, but I haven't seen any fakes actually in Australia yet in all my travels.

Doubt it will make it's way to Australia but I know shops in Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines selling fake Spitfires and Bones bearings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on October 15, 2020, 04:19:24 PM
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I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )

Here's an image of them

(https://i.ibb.co/whj1NWQ/187A9692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/whj1NWQ)image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
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They are the normal legit Spitfire Formula Four wheels, from that graphic at least.  I know they feel grippier than Bones wheels so they might take some getting used to.  There are very few remaining in Australia, but there are still enough if you know where to look, or check shops that are not usually selling online, but I haven't seen any fakes actually in Australia yet in all my travels.

It's not just that they are grippier. Well, they are 101a compared to my 99a bones. But they tend to get a tacky feeling after riding or sliding not 100% smooth ground. Idk. I prob wouldn't buy another pair after this. I like the shape but will try else where.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 18, 2020, 09:38:14 PM


It's not just that they are grippier. Well, they are 101a compared to my 99a bones. But they tend to get a tacky feeling after riding or sliding not 100% smooth ground. Idk. I prob wouldn't buy another pair after this. I like the shape but will try else where.

Between different brands, some which have a higher duro will feel softer or more grippy than other brands with lower duro, or different compounds will behave differently on surfaces too.

You are most likely more used to Bones wheels, so when you changed, they probably feel more weird than anything else.  Both are top brands, both have substantial followings and many people are very much for one OR the other, with a minority liking both equally.

I prefer Spitfire wheels for almost everything, even though I have Bones and Powell wheels, Ojs, Slimeballs, Speedlab, and quite a few other brands in both hard, medium and soft.

There is no right or wrong answer as to which wheels are best, even though personal opinion is very divided, and always will be.

What is interesting is people having to try other brands, if they cannot get Bones or Spitfire with the current shortages, especially in Australia right now.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on October 19, 2020, 05:08:28 AM
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I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )

Here's an image of them

(https://i.ibb.co/whj1NWQ/187A9692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/whj1NWQ)image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
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They are the normal legit Spitfire Formula Four wheels, from that graphic at least.  I know they feel grippier than Bones wheels so they might take some getting used to.  There are very few remaining in Australia, but there are still enough if you know where to look, or check shops that are not usually selling online, but I haven't seen any fakes actually in Australia yet in all my travels.
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It's not just that they are grippier. Well, they are 101a compared to my 99a bones. But they tend to get a tacky feeling after riding or sliding not 100% smooth ground. Idk. I prob wouldn't buy another pair after this. I like the shape but will try else where.
Let them break in, I’ve tried conical full, classic and radial slim F4’s and conical full slide like no other after breaking them in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shuh on October 20, 2020, 05:27:50 AM
It seems f4 97d is coming but in classic shape
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Post by: Lukabrazi on October 20, 2020, 07:28:41 AM
Anyone try out Dial tone conical shape in 99a? Was thinking of trying some 52mm but not sure how I’ll feel switching from F4
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 20, 2020, 07:35:58 AM
Anyone try out Dial tone conical shape in 99a? Was thinking of trying some 52mm but not sure how I’ll feel switching from F4
buy loopholes instead!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 20, 2020, 07:44:21 AM
It seems f4 97d is coming but in classic shape

Any idea when they are coming?
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Post by: munchbox on October 20, 2020, 08:47:24 AM
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Any idea when they are coming?
soon according to their story
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on October 20, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
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I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )

Here's an image of them

(https://i.ibb.co/whj1NWQ/187A9692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/whj1NWQ)image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
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They are the normal legit Spitfire Formula Four wheels, from that graphic at least.  I know they feel grippier than Bones wheels so they might take some getting used to.  There are very few remaining in Australia, but there are still enough if you know where to look, or check shops that are not usually selling online, but I haven't seen any fakes actually in Australia yet in all my travels.
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It's not just that they are grippier. Well, they are 101a compared to my 99a bones. But they tend to get a tacky feeling after riding or sliding not 100% smooth ground. Idk. I prob wouldn't buy another pair after this. I like the shape but will try else where.
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Let them break in, I’ve tried conical full, classic and radial slim F4’s and conical full slide like no other after breaking them in.

2 months still sticky as a mofo. They get lines in them when trying to powerslide any ground that's not smooth af. They good on smooth af concrete as they grippy for a 101a. If anyone wants a wheel with more slide don't get these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shuh on October 20, 2020, 07:45:45 PM
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It seems f4 97d is coming but in classic shape
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soon according to their story

Dam those would sell like hotcakes in my country, roads here's are just crazy rough
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2020, 09:10:50 PM
Re 97 duro Formula Four Spitfires

Probably not soon enough for most people, but I think it would be worth the wait.

I still have a few normal sets of 97 and 95 duro Spitfires and they are definitely good for those new slippery or paint / graf covered parks.

They go ok on rougher surfaces too, but the 92 and 90 duro are best for those I find.

Each to their own though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on October 21, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
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I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )

Here's an image of them

(https://i.ibb.co/whj1NWQ/187A9692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/whj1NWQ)image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
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They are the normal legit Spitfire Formula Four wheels, from that graphic at least.  I know they feel grippier than Bones wheels so they might take some getting used to.  There are very few remaining in Australia, but there are still enough if you know where to look, or check shops that are not usually selling online, but I haven't seen any fakes actually in Australia yet in all my travels.
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It's not just that they are grippier. Well, they are 101a compared to my 99a bones. But they tend to get a tacky feeling after riding or sliding not 100% smooth ground. Idk. I prob wouldn't buy another pair after this. I like the shape but will try else where.
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Let them break in, I’ve tried conical full, classic and radial slim F4’s and conical full slide like no other after breaking them in.
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2 months still sticky as a mofo. They get lines in them when trying to powerslide any ground that's not smooth af. They good on smooth af concrete as they grippy for a 101a. If anyone wants a wheel with more slide don't get these.

Not tryna say you're wrong, but 101a F4s are easily one of the iciest wheels I've ridden. Not fully sure what you mean with the lines, but that sounds like a red flag as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldCandy on October 21, 2020, 08:45:49 PM
There is no skate scene in GTA our local shop is a mall zumiez

F4 running 70cad right now (55 US around)

They do have a shit load of acid wheels. Anyone have experiences with them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on October 23, 2020, 08:56:59 PM
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I bought mine from a skate / surf shop here in Aus ( Online )

Here's an image of them

(https://i.ibb.co/whj1NWQ/187A9692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/whj1NWQ)image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
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They are the normal legit Spitfire Formula Four wheels, from that graphic at least.  I know they feel grippier than Bones wheels so they might take some getting used to.  There are very few remaining in Australia, but there are still enough if you know where to look, or check shops that are not usually selling online, but I haven't seen any fakes actually in Australia yet in all my travels.
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It's not just that they are grippier. Well, they are 101a compared to my 99a bones. But they tend to get a tacky feeling after riding or sliding not 100% smooth ground. Idk. I prob wouldn't buy another pair after this. I like the shape but will try else where.
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Let them break in, I’ve tried conical full, classic and radial slim F4’s and conical full slide like no other after breaking them in.
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2 months still sticky as a mofo. They get lines in them when trying to powerslide any ground that's not smooth af. They good on smooth af concrete as they grippy for a 101a. If anyone wants a wheel with more slide don't get these.
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Not tryna say you're wrong, but 101a F4s are easily one of the iciest wheels I've ridden. Not fully sure what you mean with the lines, but that sounds like a red flag as well.

Def not icy wheels in my experience on them. My Bones 99a, Ojs Insane 101a and Ricta speedrings 101a all slide double as easy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 24, 2020, 05:11:07 AM
The lines are deep scores from like rocks and stuff. That's how f4 slides so nicely.

The loopholes the bones do it too. Plenty of others as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 27, 2020, 06:00:45 PM
I'm pretty sure it's says 53. It's square. I can't find this graphic online so I assume it's not in print.

I got them in trade for old f4s connie fulls.

If anyone who recognizes what's the graphic and knows more about this wheel plz let me know.  I'd like to know.

I got to ride then a few times and they're really nice. Wish they was a little harder but I feel that way about every wheel.

If it was a classic shape that would bet cooler too but I definitely traded well.


(https://i.ibb.co/kQG55Hw/16038456348413449241048183299928.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kQG55Hw)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mesteezo on October 27, 2020, 06:14:17 PM
I'm pretty sure it's says 53. It's square. I can't find this graphic online so I assume it's not in print.

I got them in trade for old f4s connie fulls.

If anyone who recognizes what's the graphic and knows more about this wheel plz let me know.  I'd like to know.

I got to ride then a few times and they're really nice. Wish they was a little harder but I feel that way about every wheel.

If it was a classic shape that would bet cooler too but I definitely traded well.


(https://i.ibb.co/kQG55Hw/16038456348413449241048183299928.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kQG55Hw)

Rodney Mullen STF's?

(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Bones-Mullen-Numbers-STF-53mm-Skateboard-Wheels-_217519-front.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Maccat on October 27, 2020, 06:38:56 PM
Has anyone had experience with boardy cake wheels? I threw on some sml 40s on my curb board and love it and was wondering if there's info on the boardy cake 42 and 44mm.

I do. Have some Fat Bundts and they are HARD. I typically ride F4s, the Bundts feel glassy in comparison. They feel great for what they are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 28, 2020, 12:36:47 AM
anyone know any shops selling Radial Slims, Conical and Classics online? Preferably 101a 52mm?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NORTHBYMIDWEST on October 28, 2020, 04:12:50 AM
Anybody skating Pig wheels? I can't find any 56mm F4's in 101a but Pig has a readily available 56mm 101a wheel. I haven't skated Pig wheels in probably 15 years so just wondering if anyone has any recent experience with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on October 28, 2020, 04:16:54 AM
Re 97 duro Formula Four Spitfires

Probably not soon enough for most people, but I think it would be worth the wait.

I still have a few normal sets of 97 and 95 duro Spitfires and they are definitely good for those new slippery or paint / graf covered parks.

They go ok on rougher surfaces too, but the 92 and 90 duro are best for those I find.

Each to their own though.

If you don't want to wait or want something with a different there's a few good 97/98 wheels out there. The Creature/OJ 97a (theres a few different graphics, I have the bloodsuckers) is my favorite commute wheel at this time of year because they just plow through sticks and acorns but still slide well enough that I can stop and hit a curb on the way home. Hard-line shape is really good.

If you want something similar but can't deal with the creature swirls and colors then Pig 97a conicals are good too. They're slightly grippier but slide really well.

There's also a company called Niki Red that has a surprisingly large selection of relatively inexpensive wheels. One of them is a 54mm 96a conical that's almost identical to a spitfire conical full in shape called Brooklyn Baptizer, I've had them on my rain setup for like a year now and they're still going strong. They kinda remind me of the old spitfire 95a formula.

https://www.nikired.com/product-page/brooklyn-banks-series

In other news, a little birdie told me that Prize Fighter Cutlery is going to be releasing new wheels sometime in the near future. I know they have a good reputation and some people swear by them so I'll probably give them a try when they drop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 28, 2020, 04:48:20 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's says 53. It's square. I can't find this graphic online so I assume it's not in print.

I got them in trade for old f4s connie fulls.

If anyone who recognizes what's the graphic and knows more about this wheel plz let me know.  I'd like to know.

I got to ride then a few times and they're really nice. Wish they was a little harder but I feel that way about every wheel.

If it was a classic shape that would bet cooler too but I definitely traded well.


(https://i.ibb.co/kQG55Hw/16038456348413449241048183299928.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kQG55Hw)
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Rodney Mullen STF's?

(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Bones-Mullen-Numbers-STF-53mm-Skateboard-Wheels-_217519-front.jpg)

Thanks.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 28, 2020, 05:13:50 AM
Anybody skating Pig wheels? I can't find any 56mm F4's in 101a but Pig has a readily available 56mm 101a wheel. I haven't skated Pig wheels in probably 15 years so just wondering if anyone has any recent experience with them.

Orchard has 56 mm loopholes in v shape. Do that if you like f4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: doomstation55 on October 28, 2020, 07:17:49 AM
Anybody skating Pig wheels? I can't find any 56mm F4's in 101a but Pig has a readily available 56mm 101a wheel. I haven't skated Pig wheels in probably 15 years so just wondering if anyone has any recent experience with them.

I know the shop I go to has some F4 101a in those size for conical fills and classics if that helps

https://303boards-com.myshopify.com/collections/spitfire-wheels/products/spitfire-101-formula-4-conical-full-multiple-sizes?variant=32108988727361

https://303boards-com.myshopify.com/collections/spitfire-wheels/products/spitfire-101-formula-4-classic-multiple-sizes?variant=32109027983425
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NORTHBYMIDWEST on October 28, 2020, 07:23:43 AM
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Anybody skating Pig wheels? I can't find any 56mm F4's in 101a but Pig has a readily available 56mm 101a wheel. I haven't skated Pig wheels in probably 15 years so just wondering if anyone has any recent experience with them.
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I know the shop I go to has some F4 101a in those size for conical fills and classics if that helps

https://303boards-com.myshopify.com/collections/spitfire-wheels/products/spitfire-101-formula-4-conical-full-multiple-sizes?variant=32108988727361

https://303boards-com.myshopify.com/collections/spitfire-wheels/products/spitfire-101-formula-4-classic-multiple-sizes?variant=32109027983425
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Anybody skating Pig wheels? I can't find any 56mm F4's in 101a but Pig has a readily available 56mm 101a wheel. I haven't skated Pig wheels in probably 15 years so just wondering if anyone has any recent experience with them.
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Orchard has 56 mm loopholes in v shape. Do that if you like f4.

Hell yeah, thanks dudes!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on October 28, 2020, 08:55:39 AM
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Re 97 duro Formula Four Spitfires

Probably not soon enough for most people, but I think it would be worth the wait.

I still have a few normal sets of 97 and 95 duro Spitfires and they are definitely good for those new slippery or paint / graf covered parks.

They go ok on rougher surfaces too, but the 92 and 90 duro are best for those I find.

Each to their own though.
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If you don't want to wait or want something with a different there's a few good 97/98 wheels out there. The Creature/OJ 97a (theres a few different graphics, I have the bloodsuckers) is my favorite commute wheel at this time of year because they just plow through sticks and acorns but still slide well enough that I can stop and hit a curb on the way home. Hard-line shape is really good.

If you want something similar but can't deal with the creature swirls and colors then Pig 97a conicals are good too. They're slightly grippier but slide really well.

There's also a company called Niki Red that has a surprisingly large selection of relatively inexpensive wheels. One of them is a 54mm 96a conical that's almost identical to a spitfire conical full in shape called Brooklyn Baptizer, I've had them on my rain setup for like a year now and they're still going strong. They kinda remind me of the old spitfire 95a formula.

https://www.nikired.com/product-page/brooklyn-banks-series

In other news, a little birdie told me that Prize Fighter Cutlery is going to be releasing new wheels sometime in the near future. I know they have a good reputation and some people swear by them so I'll probably give them a try when they drop.

super psyched on this.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on October 28, 2020, 02:05:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/LPYi3cQ.jpg)

new wheels from madness
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 28, 2020, 04:17:43 PM
I wonder if they are rebranded OJs / come out of the same place, just to have a new or different look, but I am interested to see where they end up and how they ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TumKayo on October 28, 2020, 07:00:52 PM
I'm starting to figure some of my gear, but still confused about wheels. Right now I have some 51mm and 53mm 101a dgk wheels, as well as 55m 78a OJ Mini Super Juice

I'm thinking of getting some 56mm wheels for transition. I want something significantly softer and grippier than 101a, but also much harder than my 78a wheels. What Durometer rating should I be looking at? 87a key frames, 97a Slime balls. In between, something 92a?

Also, a thinner 56mm park/street wheel should get less wheelbite than a wide, 56mm cruiser wheel, correct?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 29, 2020, 03:23:17 AM
I'm starting to figure some of my gear, but still confused about wheels. Right now I have some 51mm and 53mm 101a dgk wheels, as well as 55m 78a OJ Mini Super Juice

I'm thinking of getting some 56mm wheels for transition. I want something significantly softer and grippier than 101a, but also much harder than my 78a wheels. What Durometer rating should I be looking at? 87a key frames, 97a Slime balls. In between, something 92a?

Also, a thinner 56mm park/street wheel should get less wheelbite than a wide, 56mm cruiser wheel, correct?

Some people might say anything under 99 is too soft for normal park skating, but the 97 or 95 duro wheels are about the lowest before they start to get soft and mushy feeling, especially if you are carving into turns.

I have 95 and 92 duro wheels for moderately slippery parks or things I don't want to slip on and the 92 are very sticky and slow down a lot more, but the 95 still keep speed without slipping out the way 101s would.

Also normal classic shaped wheels will definitely feel a lot easier than big squared off cruiser wheels and harder wheels will not stick to the board as much as softer wheels, but if you have wheelbite issues, a thin riser might help, even just 1 mm will change things a lot.  Some stickers or even a bit of rubber or something cut to fit under a truck will still do the job too.

Slimeballs in 97 are definitely good if you can get hold of them, as are other wheels like Ojs in the 95 duro which have just come out.

Not one to put down DGK wheels, but there is often a huge difference between generic or pricepoint wheels from any brand versus wheels that are actually made by a wheel company.

Lastly, wheels that are a bit wider in the riding surface will usually give you a lot more grip on the surface you are riding on than very skinny wheels, even of the same brand and duro.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 31, 2020, 09:10:37 AM
I'm trying to set up my 8.75 Polar football and trying to make it my fun setup. Was going to throw on some 149 forged hollow Indy or 5.8 ventures. Any wheel reconnections? Have some F4 52 classic fulls but any thoughts would help.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 31, 2020, 09:40:16 AM
I'm trying to set up my 8.75 Polar football and trying to make it my fun setup. Was going to throw on some 149 forged hollow Indy or 5.8 ventures. Any wheel reconnections? Have some F4 52 classic fulls but any thoughts would help.


For period correct authenticity you want small and round wheels. Your 52 Classic fulls will be great but if you can find some 50mm classics. that might go better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ScarceOne on October 31, 2020, 10:30:58 AM

Wayward puig 52mm—

Month and a half of daily skating and they feel like spitfire classic urethane but a lil harder
 
(https://i.ibb.co/R3ZGDgw/00-BA430-A-4444-416-A-AD24-5-A80-B0-C4-C2-F2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R3ZGDgw)

(https://i.ibb.co/MRNks5L/CC3955-F1-F4-D0-4598-9073-E38-D991-AC0-CC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MRNks5L)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TumKayo on October 31, 2020, 10:00:00 PM
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I'm starting to figure some of my gear, but still confused about wheels. Right now I have some 51mm and 53mm 101a dgk wheels, as well as 55m 78a OJ Mini Super Juice

I'm thinking of getting some 56mm wheels for transition. I want something significantly softer and grippier than 101a, but also much harder than my 78a wheels. What Durometer rating should I be looking at? 87a key frames, 97a Slime balls. In between, something 92a?

Also, a thinner 56mm park/street wheel should get less wheelbite than a wide, 56mm cruiser wheel, correct?
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Some people might say anything under 99 is too soft for normal park skating, but the 97 or 95 duro wheels are about the lowest before they start to get soft and mushy feeling, especially if you are carving into turns.

I have 95 and 92 duro wheels for moderately slippery parks or things I don't want to slip on and the 92 are very sticky and slow down a lot more, but the 95 still keep speed without slipping out the way 101s would.

Also normal classic shaped wheels will definitely feel a lot easier than big squared off cruiser wheels and harder wheels will not stick to the board as much as softer wheels, but if you have wheelbite issues, a thin riser might help, even just 1 mm will change things a lot.  Some stickers or even a bit of rubber or something cut to fit under a truck will still do the job too.

Slimeballs in 97 are definitely good if you can get hold of them, as are other wheels like Ojs in the 95 duro which have just come out.

Not one to put down DGK wheels, but there is often a huge difference between generic or pricepoint wheels from any brand versus wheels that are actually made by a wheel company.

Lastly, wheels that are a bit wider in the riding surface will usually give you a lot more grip on the surface you are riding on than very skinny wheels, even of the same brand and duro.

I have always been cheap with wheels, and the dgks were low $20s in stock nearby when I set up my first boards in a while. This was a few weeks ago. I got another set of cheapos for $14 today and I like them better than the dgks.

I like a little extra grip, I’m thinking 92-97a will be good when I spend the money on better wheels. One of my local skate shops charges $45 for the good wheels from spitfire, bones and slimeballs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 01, 2020, 03:01:01 AM

I have always been cheap with wheels, and the dgks were low $20s in stock nearby when I set up my first boards in a while. This was a few weeks ago. I got another set of cheapos for $14 today and I like them better than the dgks.

I like a little extra grip, I’m thinking 92-97a will be good when I spend the money on better wheels. One of my local skate shops charges $45 for the good wheels from spitfire, bones and slimeballs.

There were quite a few decent generic brand wheels (all had DURA ROLLER or something similar stamped into the inner area which is covered by the bearing) which I would recommend to many of the people who were not really concerned about tech or slide and just wanted reasonable wheels, which were usually a good price too.

That might actually be what you have, or something similar, which I think would do well enough, especially for a not so hard option.  They didn't slide so well when I was trying them for nose/tail/blunt slides but they also didn't flatspot much if ever and lasted for the people who rode them that I knew.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2020, 01:21:11 PM

Wayward puig 52mm—

Month and a half of daily skating and they feel like spitfire classic urethane but a lil harder
 
(https://i.ibb.co/R3ZGDgw/00-BA430-A-4444-416-A-AD24-5-A80-B0-C4-C2-F2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R3ZGDgw)

(https://i.ibb.co/MRNks5L/CC3955-F1-F4-D0-4598-9073-E38-D991-AC0-CC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MRNks5L)


I like WW, they feel just a tad softer than the F4 counterparts.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 01, 2020, 06:24:16 PM
Following up on the Pig Prime wheels.
They’re good wheels. I’m running Ándale Swiss on them which is why they feel slow, maybe. They’re good wheels and slide well.
The transparent white color gets weird but they’re pretty good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 04, 2020, 09:34:57 AM
Since indoor season is approaching I ordered some 54mm 92a Dogtown “smooths” and they were really sluggish and not fun at my local concrete park. Will have to save them for indoor. Put back on my 60mm 97a Dogtown’s and the fun has returned. 4 washers on the inside of each wheel, one outside, nuts flipped.

(https://i.imgur.com/zElDa0wl.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sKINGraft on November 06, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
has anyone heard of these new "shop" wheels? does anybody know if they are good
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: superleftswipebby on November 06, 2020, 07:26:58 PM
pretty late here but peep bluetile, sanction or sohip. they’ve usually got f4s in stock

 ;)
There is no skate scene in GTA our local shop is a mall zumiez

F4 running 70cad right now (55 US around)

They do have a shit load of acid wheels. Anyone have experiences with them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on November 09, 2020, 10:02:45 AM
Been skating some Orbs Apparatons 53mm 99a (the orange and black split ones) after winning them in a giveaway. Haven’t seen too many people skating these so here’s my experience. I will be using F4s as a comparison since that what I’ve been skating for the last year.

- the shape is like a slightly more rounded radial slim
- not as smooth of a ride as F4s but still enjoyable
- a little grippier than F4s in concrete parks, slick on waxed ledges
- a lot grippier than F4s in the streets
- quick rebound in parks, not as fast as F4 but still good
- more sluggish in the streets than F4s
- haven’t flatspotted them yet and I do quite a bit of powersliding
- they cone kind of quickly, and have some slight flaking
- the color is cool :)
- they’re cheaper than F4s (they’re like 26 USD)

I haven’t tried them on metal, asphalt, or skate-lite yet so I might make an update.

I would definitely skate these again based on my experience so far. They’re distributed with Welcome, and I don’t know anything about the manufacturers so if anyone has info on that please share. I don’t think they’re better than F4s but absolutely a viable alternative. They also have a Specter shape similar to a conical full that I think I’m gonna try next.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 13, 2020, 04:41:17 PM
Because of F4 shortage in here in thinking about trying something different, any comments regarding OJ elites 101? I found some Milton 54mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on November 13, 2020, 06:11:28 PM
Because of F4 shortage in here in thinking about trying something different, any comments regarding OJ elites 101? I found some Milton 54mm

they do not slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on November 13, 2020, 06:15:36 PM
Because of F4 shortage in here in thinking about trying something different, any comments regarding OJ elites 101? I found some Milton 54mm

Good wheels if you like flatspots and the bbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr feeling/sound.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 13, 2020, 07:01:02 PM
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Good wheels if you like flatspots and the bbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr feeling/sound.
Thanks, you saved me from a terrible choice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 13, 2020, 07:06:08 PM
Because of F4 shortage in here in thinking about trying something different, any comments regarding OJ elites 101? I found some Milton 54mm

Anything is better than nothing, but flatspots do seem to happen a little more often than you might like on them, as was already said.

If you can see where they are made, because the older ones we had here felt softer or were much more grippy than the newer ones which feel hard and slippery by comparison, but I would imagine that everything there now is the newer stuff.

F4 are being restocked quite fast in a lot of places, so you might not have to wait that long, or try to find out via your regular source if there are any on the way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 13, 2020, 11:47:18 PM
Buy loopholes instead!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on November 14, 2020, 02:31:20 PM
If anyone cares. I usually ride bones 83b v3 or a similar shaped wheel. I like to try everything but prefer a slim profile. The last wheel I skated were the autobahn 83b slims and they were the pretty bones like.

I’m currently skating the 101a satori vinyl cut wheel and it’s the first wheel I’ve loved in years that’s not an 83b.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
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Because of F4 shortage in here in thinking about trying something different, any comments regarding OJ elites 101? I found some Milton 54mm
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they do not slide



They do, you just have to go mach 1 like MM does...he gets those OJs screaming.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 15, 2020, 04:23:01 PM
I'm a few sessions deep on my OJ nomads now (54mm 95a) and i have to say I'm pretty impressed. Sessioned an underground parking lot today. The ground is either oil slick slippery or rough as a rhino's arse and unless you know the place intimately you can't tell where due to the poor lighting. This makes for challenging set ups with regular hard wheels. Anyway, the nomads cover it. They suck up the rough shit, grip on the slick sections and still break into slides on the curbs. And they are holding up well. No tears or missing chunks. Just some light coning. I'd say they are as good of a compromise between cruiser and regular street wheel as I've tried thus far. Still yet to try them in a smooth skate park but I can almost guarantee they will feel pretty sluggish but that's not why I got them. Recommended, if your a nerd like me who rotates wheels for the winter. Looking forward to the 97A/ F4 comparison at some point.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 15, 2020, 07:35:35 PM
I tried the street razor reissue in 97 or 99 I can't remember. My homie Abe was in them. He's an nhs fanatic. I had his ride 2x I think.

He was on some jacked up wheels before he caved in and bought the street razors.

I tried to fix them for him but the bearing seats were pushing all 8 bearings out of seat like I've never seen in my life.

I assume they were counterfeit because they were Omar Hassan's pro wheel.

No one but abe could put up with their bearings sticking out as far as the indy axles would allow. He was on them for so long one had rolled out into volcano shape.

He's still riding the street razors last I saw no problems but that was a while. I get worried about him. He moved to Maine then was like fuck 5g and boom social media black out. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on November 15, 2020, 08:40:25 PM
Hey I'm cobbling together a board for my friend's kid. I've got everything but wheels. Can any of you dudes recommend v inexpensive soft wheels/cruisers that aren't too kooky? Thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 01:54:40 AM
Hey I'm cobbling together a board for my friend's kid. I've got everything but wheels. Can any of you dudes recommend v inexpensive soft wheels/cruisers that aren't too kooky? Thanks

Where are you?

Someone might have something they are happy to part with for cheap or free, otherwise there are usually generic softer wheels around a lot of places, maybe not quite the boutique skate shop, but the bigger stores, or online, depending on the timeframe and budget.  I always see a lot of them on ebay.

Even your local skate shop might be down to help out if you go in and explain what you are after.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 18, 2020, 04:08:18 AM
Looks like NFG is making 95a now.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/95a-ptf-crust-formula-54-mm-vee
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 18, 2020, 06:21:38 AM
Looks like NFG is making 95a now.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/95a-ptf-crust-formula-54-mm-vee

Wild, kind of tempted. The regular V-shape already handles crusty shit so well, but I would be curious to see how these perform and if the softness makes them hard to slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 18, 2020, 06:36:45 AM
Definitely tempted. NFG 95a, Spitfire 97a, OJ Nomad 95a.. got options now... winter crust doesn't stand a chance. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on November 19, 2020, 04:00:48 AM
My Loophole tear drops are looking so nice after wearing down a little bit. I really love the shape. Somewhere in between a classic and a radial.

I love how they feel too even though they were actively working against me doing a slappy noseslide 270 out on this mellow bank to ledge.  I could have benefited from being able to slide those last 45 degrees on my F4s but it's cool because it makes me want to go back and really work on my getting my shoulders around and really spinning that fucker.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on November 19, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
Looks like NFG is making 95a now.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/95a-ptf-crust-formula-54-mm-vee

Thank you for posting this man, I didn't like how hard their normal formula is and I have a feeling these are going to be my new favorite wheel, ever.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 19, 2020, 12:07:34 PM
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Looks like NFG is making 95a now.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/95a-ptf-crust-formula-54-mm-vee
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Thank you for posting this man, I didn't like how hard their normal formula is and I have a feeling these are going to be my new favorite wheel, ever.

No problem! I was tempted to get these too, since I have a weird obsession with NFG and Loophole, but the thing I don’t like about the hard formula (too grippy for me) would be worse on these I think. I love how they feel rolling on crust though, so I’ll bet these are great for that!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on November 19, 2020, 01:44:35 PM
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Looks like NFG is making 95a now.
https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/95a-ptf-crust-formula-54-mm-vee
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Thank you for posting this man, I didn't like how hard their normal formula is and I have a feeling these are going to be my new favorite wheel, ever.
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No problem! I was tempted to get these too, since I have a weird obsession with NFG and Loophole, but the thing I don’t like about the hard formula (too grippy for me) would be worse on these I think. I love how they feel rolling on crust though, so I’ll bet these are great for that!
When i looked at this yesterday i didn't realize they are making the 95A in all 3 of their shapes. Square, Vee, and Teardrop.. anyone got a pic of the Vee's set up?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on November 19, 2020, 02:30:30 PM
Anyone tried the loopholes on masonite and can compare them with 99a f4? Its indoor season now where i live so i need something as grippy/grippier than My f4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on November 20, 2020, 04:11:01 PM
Ordered these:

https://www.penus-skateboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=92

39mm’s &#128170;&#127995;
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 20, 2020, 06:47:17 PM
Ordered these:

https://www.penus-skateboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=92

39mm’s &#38;#38;#128170;&#38;#38;#127995;

I might be old, but I still giggled when I thought of small penus wheels...

Is that part of the marketing for those things? 

Pretty damn funny!!!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 21, 2020, 02:40:54 AM
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Ordered these:

https://www.penus-skateboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=92

39mm’s &#38;#38;#38;#128170;&#38;#38;#38;#127995;
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I might be old, but I still giggled when I thought of small penus wheels...

Is that part of the marketing for those things? 

Pretty damn funny!!!
You're not alone  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on November 22, 2020, 11:05:50 AM
Haha true, I frowned too when I asked a dude which wheels he was riding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: doomstation55 on November 27, 2020, 09:20:51 PM
Anyone try Satori wheels lately? Thinkin about pickin some up...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on November 27, 2020, 10:12:46 PM
Anyone try Satori wheels lately? Thinkin about pickin some up...

They are fine, but suffer the same fate as all others in that they don't slide as well as F4, nor do they feel as good. I'm happy to ride mine out then I'll probably go back to F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on November 28, 2020, 04:09:57 AM
Anyone try Satori wheels lately? Thinkin about pickin some up...

wouldn't replace my f4s with them, but would for sure getting some satori cruiser wheels for a crust sled.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on November 29, 2020, 08:57:17 AM
Recommendations for a soft & quiet cruiser wheel max 58mm? I'll use it with my ole 8,5" board to cruise around, some ollies, manuals etc
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on November 29, 2020, 09:30:45 AM
Recommendations for a soft & quiet cruiser wheel max 58mm? I'll use it with my ole 8,5" board to cruise around, some ollies, manuals etc
You're looking for Ricta clouds my friend.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on November 29, 2020, 09:32:23 AM
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Anyone try Satori wheels lately? Thinkin about pickin some up...
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They are fine, but suffer the same fate as all others in that they don't slide as well as F4, nor do they feel as good. I'm happy to ride mine out then I'll probably go back to F4.

I dont the f4s. Had the. F4 slim 101 and didn’t think they slid for me. I usually ride bones 83b or a similar wheel.

I’m got the satori vinyl cut 101a recently and it’s the first time I’ve loved right out the pack in a while
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 29, 2020, 04:50:07 PM
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Recommendations for a soft & quiet cruiser wheel max 58mm? I'll use it with my ole 8,5" board to cruise around, some ollies, manuals etc
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You're looking for Ricta clouds my friend.

Ricta Clouds indeed, and they come in different duros, 78, 86 and 92 and all in fairly normal size and shape options too, eg 52, 54, 56mm (or at least did before covid)

Spitfire 80HD are also an option for soft wheel that rolls well over anything, especially going fast or going straight, but to me they feel weird on the tighter turns, compared to harder wheels that will slide, these do not at all.

OJ Keyframes are 87 duro and also come in all sizes.

OJ mini super juice 78 duro are the wider squared off version, maybe not quite what you want, but also a good wheel too.

I have seen quite a few shops have a generic soft wheel now too, so depending on price and availability, that might be an option, but in terms of the duro and what works, I am sure people will have different opinions.  Eg:

78 to 80 is super soft and a good cruiser from A to B
86 to 90 is soft but to me the best to be able to get speed and hold it on softer wheels and still skate almost normally
92 to 95 is slightly softer than normal but will still skate almost the same as a normal wheel on slippery surfaces
97 duro is almost normal, just a bit more grip than 99+
99 to 101 is normal
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on November 30, 2020, 05:55:35 AM
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Recommendations for a soft & quiet cruiser wheel max 58mm? I'll use it with my ole 8,5" board to cruise around, some ollies, manuals etc
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You're looking for Ricta clouds my friend.
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Ricta Clouds indeed, and they come in different duros, 78, 86 and 92 and all in fairly normal size and shape options too, eg 52, 54, 56mm (or at least did before covid)

Spitfire 80HD are also an option for soft wheel that rolls well over anything, especially going fast or going straight, but to me they feel weird on the tighter turns, compared to harder wheels that will slide, these do not at all.

OJ Keyframes are 87 duro and also come in all sizes.

OJ mini super juice 78 duro are the wider squared off version, maybe not quite what you want, but also a good wheel too.

I have seen quite a few shops have a generic soft wheel now too, so depending on price and availability, that might be an option, but in terms of the duro and what works, I am sure people will have different opinions.  Eg:

78 to 80 is super soft and a good cruiser from A to B
86 to 90 is soft but to me the best to be able to get speed and hold it on softer wheels and still skate almost normally
92 to 95 is slightly softer than normal but will still skate almost the same as a normal wheel on slippery surfaces
97 duro is almost normal, just a bit more grip than 99+
99 to 101 is normal

Only in theory.

Duro is not consistent between brands.
Shape also makes a difference in grip, speed and feel.
But good apriximate "rules" for choosing wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on November 30, 2020, 08:07:46 AM
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Anyone try Satori wheels lately? Thinkin about pickin some up...
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They are fine, but suffer the same fate as all others in that they don't slide as well as F4, nor do they feel as good. I'm happy to ride mine out then I'll probably go back to F4.
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I dont the f4s. Had the. F4 slim 101 and didn’t think they slid for me. I usually ride bones 83b or a similar wheel.

I’m got the satori vinyl cut 101a recently and it’s the first time I’ve loved right out the pack in a while

That's wild, didn't they have treads? Took me a full day to wear off the treads on mine.

Surely you are in the minority on F4's. I'm not knocking the Satori's I just can't power slide as well with them as my 99a F4's. I doubt F4 fans will be making a switch over to Satori, they are fine though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 30, 2020, 02:11:23 PM

Only in theory.

Duro is not consistent between brands.
Shape also makes a difference in grip, speed and feel.
But good approximate "rules" for choosing wheels.

Yes definitely a big difference between different brands and their formulas, and I didn't really want to put in my personal preferences on each wheel option, but I think there would be a number of people who would prefer certain brands over others for various reasons.

I often leave Bones out, but they also make different duros of soft wheel too.  Not sure if there are any since covid though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DISTANT RUMOURS on December 03, 2020, 11:27:04 PM
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/129734903_1605274769680523_7923113898094632006_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=2&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=Orv1IlixtRQAX89nsgS&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=11fbb91f854e592cc13f5fc9dcc97435&oe=5FEDF07D)

Got these in the mail.

They look sick!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on December 04, 2020, 08:02:19 PM
95a NFG's arrived. Not sure if it has anything to do with the durometer or just the batch but these came out more yellow than the other hard formulas I've had. I don't not like it though, these are still some sick wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/9QQp92gl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IuCzXicl.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 04, 2020, 08:14:21 PM
I personally love that color wheel. I can't stand the unnatural white glow of some wheels. Truth is the off-white, potatoey color is closer to a natural urethane color. Those look great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 04, 2020, 08:46:52 PM
95a NFG's arrived. Not sure if it has anything to do with the durometer or just the batch but these came out more yellow than the other hard formulas I've had. I don't not like it though, these are still some sick wheels.


They do look good, pretty much a classic full shape by comparison, also not a worry with the colour.

I don't think they would ever make it to Australia, but I am guessing a lot more people there are riding these by choice over some other brands.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 04, 2020, 09:01:08 PM
Got my 95a as well. V cut shape tho. Can’t wait to try em
(https://i.ibb.co/TgdYGrd/5-D447-ACD-22-B6-4-D84-92-F5-1-BEA71-CBB0-A1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TgdYGrd)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 05, 2020, 08:42:26 AM
NFG/Loopholes are so good. Psyched to hear how the 95s perform.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 05, 2020, 10:06:17 AM
My Square NFG 95s don't show up until Monday.

In the meantime, I need to give a shout out to 99a STF.  I don't see much love for them around here.

(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=BS99PWH-WH2-1.jpg&nw=470)

I was looking for something grippier than the STF 103a that I had been using at the park.  I don't like using them when the temperatures are in the 30s and low 40s. 

I put on some F4 99s.  As happens every time I use F4 99s in transition - I remember again how slow they feel.  Skating the exact same lines I would end up lower, shorter and more tired halfway through the session.  I have F4 101s that I like, but the 99s always go back in the shoebox within a week or two.

I put on the STF 99s.  They are faster than F4s on the buttery smooth park I skate - almost as fast as the 103s, and have better traction, are quieter, and more comfortable.   With the F4s I would be thinking about pumping harder and trying to find speed wherever I could.  With the STFs, they are fast enough that I don't think about them when skating.

I'll probably go back to 103s when it gets warm, but am super happy with the 99s for now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 05, 2020, 11:26:30 AM
NFG/Loopholes are so good. Psyched to hear how the 95s perform.
rain all night and day today and now it’s turning to snow .. sucks. Dying to set them up.


Thought these looked sharp

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIbU9CvFyW6/?igshid=1eczoqmmhc9vf
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 05, 2020, 11:32:45 AM
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NFG/Loopholes are so good. Psyched to hear how the 95s perform.
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rain all night and day today and now it’s turning to snow .. sucks. Dying to set them up.


Thought these looked sharp

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIbU9CvFyW6/?igshid=1eczoqmmhc9vf
id cheat on white wheels for those
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Brguy on December 05, 2020, 11:38:28 AM
Last time I got wheels I got Bones SPF instead of STF. They're good, but I miss the reckless sliding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on December 05, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
My Square NFG 95s don't show up until Monday.

In the meantime, I need to give a shout out to 99a STF.  I don't see much love for them around here.

(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=BS99PWH-WH2-1.jpg&nw=470)

I was looking for something grippier than the STF 103a that I had been using at the park.  I don't like using them when the temperatures are in the 30s and low 40s. 

I put on some F4 99s.  As happens every time I use F4 99s in transition - I remember again how slow they feel.  Skating the exact same lines I would end up lower, shorter and more tired halfway through the session.  I have F4 101s that I like, but the 99s always go back in the shoebox within a week or two.

I put on the STF 99s.  They are faster than F4s on the buttery smooth park I skate - almost as fast as the 103s, and have better traction, are quieter, and more comfortable.   With the F4s I would be thinking about pumping harder and trying to find speed wherever I could.  With the STFs, they are fast enough that I don't think about them when skating.

I'll probably go back to 103s when it gets warm, but am super happy with the 99s for now.

Funny you posted this, I noticed my local got some Bones 99a "fatties" in stock and they're the sickest shape ever. Better than spit classics, classic fulls, and they're just a hair fatter than these NFG teardrops. Feels weird that I think I might be stoked on the Bones more, dare I say.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
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My Square NFG 95s don't show up until Monday.

In the meantime, I need to give a shout out to 99a STF.  I don't see much love for them around here.

I was looking for something grippier than the STF 103a that I had been using at the park.  I don't like using them when the temperatures are in the 30s and low 40s. 

I put on some F4 99s.  As happens every time I use F4 99s in transition - I remember again how slow they feel.  Skating the exact same lines I would end up lower, shorter and more tired halfway through the session.  I have F4 101s that I like, but the 99s always go back in the shoebox within a week or two.

I put on the STF 99s.  They are faster than F4s on the buttery smooth park I skate - almost as fast as the 103s, and have better traction, are quieter, and more comfortable.   With the F4s I would be thinking about pumping harder and trying to find speed wherever I could.  With the STFs, they are fast enough that I don't think about them when skating.

I'll probably go back to 103s when it gets warm, but am super happy with the 99s for now.
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Funny you posted this, I noticed my local got some Bones 99a "fatties" in stock and they're the sickest shape ever. Better than spit classics, classic fulls, and they're just a hair fatter than these NFG teardrops. Feels weird that I think I might be stoked on the Bones more, dare I say.

Bones have made almost the best wheels for a long time, definitely outlasting almost anything else, less likely to flatspot or have issues and now come in many more shapes, sizes and hardness options.

There are always going to be those people who prefer one over the other and they have every right to say that, but personal preference has more sway on here.  In the shop it is a different story, and depends on what the skater wants.  It also helps to have two boards set up for them to try, one with Bones and usually my board with Spitfires.

It would be unfair to say otherwise, and I have had so many sets pass through my hands, but I just prefer everything I get from Spitfire, especially now with Formula Four, so for me personally, I don't really talk about Bones.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on December 05, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
95a NFG's arrived. Not sure if it has anything to do with the durometer or just the batch but these came out more yellow than the other hard formulas I've had. I don't not like it though, these are still some sick wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/9QQp92gl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IuCzXicl.jpg)
Your pics finally pushed me to buy a couple sets of factory seconds to try out. My wife said they are my Christmas present.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 05, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
It also helps to have two boards set up for them to try, one with Bones and usually my board with Spitfires.

I have 6-9 setups at any time.  Current wheels on setups are:

STF 103
STF 99
SPF 104
F4 101
F4 99
Bones ATF 80a
OJ 99a
and I am putting the NFG 95s on another setup on monday.

Trucks vary as well: Ace, Indy stage 6, 7, 10 and 11, Thunder and Mini Logo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 05, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
95a NFG's arrived. Not sure if it has anything to do with the durometer or just the batch but these came out more yellow than the other hard formulas I've had. I don't not like it though, these are still some sick wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/9QQp92gl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IuCzXicl.jpg)


bump and to compare the VEE shape. 54mm 95a. Also next to 53mm conical full and 54mm conical.


(https://i.ibb.co/N7TGQZg/F0664-E04-7-B2-C-4388-97-AA-9-B2857654-D88.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N7TGQZg)

(https://i.ibb.co/xsLh8HX/59312-DA2-A18-B-413-E-9739-EBE00-E66-A05-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xsLh8HX)

(https://i.ibb.co/FJF6J8D/6674991-A-A64-C-4425-8-C7-A-97703-C37-A936.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJF6J8D)

(https://i.ibb.co/7CkLnzf/41-B20631-1-EE9-40-FF-9-D29-0-C099-D6921-FE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7CkLnzf)

(https://i.ibb.co/Kj5T9cF/B74-AD3-B9-1-CD7-4-E34-8-B08-CC9-B41-F64-DAB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Kj5T9cF)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 05, 2020, 09:00:15 PM
NFG/Loopholes are so good. Psyched to hear how the 95s perform.

Are NFG/ Loophole both poured by the same ex-Spitifre guy?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2020, 09:15:10 PM
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NFG/Loopholes are so good. Psyched to hear how the 95s perform.
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Are NFG/ Loophole both poured by the same ex-Spitifre guy?

I think people have said Loophole comes from the NFG MFG place, everything related to the name in response to or alluding to that situation, yes, but actual facts seem a bit unclear, as Formula Four was in production before he joined the DLX roster, then left and started his own wheel business.  Info on their site too:

https://www.nfgmfg.com/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs6DPRKF770/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2020, 09:25:29 PM
These guys use them too:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGskeFNlIUK/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7C0zR3Fflg/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2020, 09:35:51 PM
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It also helps to have two boards set up for them to try, one with Bones and usually my board with Spitfires.
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I have 6-9 setups at any time.  Current wheels on setups are:

STF 103
STF 99
SPF 104
F4 101
F4 99
Bones ATF 80a
OJ 99a
and I am putting the NFG 95s on another setup on monday.

Trucks vary as well: Ace, Indy stage 6, 7, 10 and 11, Thunder and Mini Logo.

Totally sounds like fun!

I have way too many setups, but specifically a couple just for people to ride to see what the wheels feel like, which is sometimes easier than saying here put them on your own board for a session, even though I do have quite a few sets with bearings in them ready to go if that is needed too.

It is handy / works well given the shop space is part of a private skatepark too, so they can skate them on concrete (both raw and painted), skatelite and a couple of other surfaces to see what works best for what they usually ride.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 06, 2020, 06:08:56 PM
Found these in a mic bag.


(https://i.ibb.co/Wtccxqj/PXL-20201207-015510236.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wtccxqj)

(https://i.ibb.co/7g4HdCm/PXL-20201206-204244692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7g4HdCm)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on December 06, 2020, 08:14:44 PM
My 52mm Loophole somehow all measure 50.8 brand new.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on December 06, 2020, 08:26:35 PM
I was in the 99a f4 conical full gang for the last year and loving the curb life on them, but ate serious shit slipping out at the park twice this past week. I’m just not great on transition to begin with so figured I’d try something a little grippier. Got talked into some 99a OJ hardline elites at the local. They’re noticeably faster and do grip better, which may or may not be a plus for all. Really solid wheel. Kinda wish they were made in the US (or Mexico), but otherwise loving them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 06, 2020, 08:40:13 PM
I was in the 99a f4 conical full gang for the last year and loving the curb life on them, but ate serious shit slipping out at the park twice this past week. I’m just not great on transition to begin with so figured I’d try something a little grippier. Got talked into some 99a OJ hardline elites at the local. They’re noticeably faster and do grip better, which may or may not be a plus for all. Really solid wheel. Kinda wish they were made in the US (or Mexico), but otherwise loving them.

Curious if the F4 wheels were more worn down which may slow them down, but some OJ elites I had did feel way more grippy than the spitfires.

Also what or how did you slip out? I know most of those conical full get more grippy as they get older (to me anyway) but always interested in other experiences.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on December 06, 2020, 10:59:37 PM
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I was in the 99a f4 conical full gang for the last year and loving the curb life on them, but ate serious shit slipping out at the park twice this past week. I’m just not great on transition to begin with so figured I’d try something a little grippier. Got talked into some 99a OJ hardline elites at the local. They’re noticeably faster and do grip better, which may or may not be a plus for all. Really solid wheel. Kinda wish they were made in the US (or Mexico), but otherwise loving them.
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Curious if the F4 wheels were more worn down which may slow them down, but some OJ elites I had did feel way more grippy than the spitfires.

Also what or how did you slip out? I know most of those conical full get more grippy as they get older (to me anyway) but always interested in other experiences.

The f4s were definitely worn down 2-3mm from the original 55 and were starting to look squared off and beat up...in a good way, aesthetically, but not so much for performance. Now that I think about it, expecting great results from year old wheels is asking a lot.

One f4 slip out was your standard early-morning, bowl pump mishap and the other was coming out of an axle stall doing a delayed little revert thing that normally works out. Ouch. The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Beeker on December 06, 2020, 11:11:26 PM
I was in the 99a f4 conical full gang for the last year and loving the curb life on them, but ate serious shit slipping out at the park twice this past week. I’m just not great on transition to begin with so figured I’d try something a little grippier. Got talked into some 99a OJ hardline elites at the local. They’re noticeably faster and do grip better, which may or may not be a plus for all. Really solid wheel. Kinda wish they were made in the US (or Mexico), but otherwise loving them.

I tried the 101 and they are super fast and have great control at the park, but I can't handle the rattle in the streets. It's pretty drastic. Wish I tried the 99, but still skeptical.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 07, 2020, 12:58:34 AM
The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers

Ha, yeah definitely got to try some out and see what works.

I have had / seen two different types of SML wheels and both were good / no issues, but I didn't skate them much and passed them on to others who needed wheels, more so because I usually ride and feel most comfortable on Spitfires.

One set was very white, which seemed harder at first, the other set more milky, and was a bit softer / had more grip.  I guess being one of the many brands who use other wheels, it is just one of those things.

See this post for the slight differences, not counting the coloured wheels at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIvCnLJ34T/



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on December 07, 2020, 02:48:29 AM
I'm currently on some SML V-Cuts but need a change. There's no radial slims available where I am. Tonnes of Wayward wheels at shops here though. Anybody skated them recently?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 07, 2020, 03:19:32 AM
Sml would actually be a good option, they have a lot more grip (hard to get used to coming off F4s but still slide when you need to).
This is the OG formula I’m taking about
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blueskynoise on December 07, 2020, 03:47:01 PM
Loving the 97a 54mm F4 classics. A little tough to power slide on street, but they’ll break in over time.
 Had an awesome session on my wooden ramp in the backyard, excited to try them at my local indoor park that’s so slippery it feels like an ice rink.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 09, 2020, 11:39:12 AM
NFG Square Cut 95a wheels are in. I have only skated the for around 15 minutes but wanted to say they are a graphics out wheel.  They are hand poured and each wheel had bubbles on the inside.  It doesn't really bother me for the black friday pricing. 

(https://moddriver.com/images/nfg.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on December 09, 2020, 12:32:49 PM
I'm currently on some SML V-Cuts but need a change. There's no radial slims available where I am. Tonnes of Wayward wheels at shops here though. Anybody skated them recently?
They are so fucking hard, yet they dont slide on curbs or asphalt atleast compared to F4s. Worst wheel i've tried for a while.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on December 09, 2020, 02:40:27 PM
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The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers
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Ha, yeah definitely got to try some out and see what works.

I have had / seen two different types of SML wheels and both were good / no issues, but I didn't skate them much and passed them on to others who needed wheels, more so because I usually ride and feel most comfortable on Spitfires.

One set was very white, which seemed harder at first, the other set more milky, and was a bit softer / had more grip.  I guess being one of the many brands who use other wheels, it is just one of those things.

See this post for the slight differences, not counting the coloured wheels at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIvCnLJ34T/

So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability.

The other ones on the right are our OG formula from Aend They are closer to a Bones STF. They have a high rebound so they won't flat spot it doesn't have to do with the hardness as much as the high quality of urethane . So they do take a little more effort on the slide but I personally love them.

The duro is the same 99a on both but they both have their own feel.

I hope this info is helpful and thanks for the support!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TumKayo on December 09, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
What would be a good wheel for 50/50 city cruising and skatepark, thats 54mm and not super wide? Comfy in chunk or crust, but decently fast in the park.

Was thinking F4 Tablets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jimgrude on December 09, 2020, 05:06:21 PM
What would be a good wheel for 50/50 city cruising and skatepark, thats 54mm and not super wide? Comfy in chunk or crust, but decently fast in the park.

Was thinking F4 Tablets

Width is really the only thing that makes a wheel good on rough ground, so I'd definitely go wider. If you're going for tablets, you'd probably have to go for the new 97a to handle any crust at all. Not sure why you wouldn't wanna go super wide though, since you plan to cruise and go fast in the park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2020, 05:11:53 PM

So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability.

The other ones on the right are our OG formula from Aend They are closer to a Bones STF. They have a high rebound so they won't flat spot it doesn't have to do with the hardness as much as the high quality of urethane . So they do take a little more effort on the slide but I personally love them.

The duro is the same 99a on both but they both have their own feel.

I hope this info is helpful and thanks for the support!!

That's so rad!

Thanks for the info - it makes it so much easier to help anyone as well.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TumKayo on December 09, 2020, 05:42:49 PM
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What would be a good wheel for 50/50 city cruising and skatepark, thats 54mm and not super wide? Comfy in chunk or crust, but decently fast in the park.

Was thinking F4 Tablets
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Width is really the only thing that makes a wheel good on rough ground, so I'd definitely go wider. If you're going for tablets, you'd probably have to go for the new 97a to handle any crust at all. Not sure why you wouldn't wanna go super wide though, since you plan to cruise and go fast in the park.

I get wheelbite on my DLX trucks and Aces, and looking for wheels not too tall or wide, but just enough to be better than a 53mm classic shape in the city. Don’t want risers over .1” for this set up.

I’ve been riding some Orb 56mm conical full type wheels that do well here, but they’re too big for my low trucks.

Some 54mm Tablets in 97d would probably be money. I didn’t know they did the tablets in 97
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 09, 2020, 05:56:43 PM
@TumKayo they don’t - only classic shape in 97a. They make the OG classic shape in F4 now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jimgrude on December 09, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
@TumKayo they don’t - only classic shape in 97a. They make the OG classic shape in F4 now.
Oh, that's right. My bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TumKayo on December 10, 2020, 09:53:11 AM
I’m still thinking of getting the 99a ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mesteezo on December 10, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
What would be a good wheel for 50/50 city cruising and skatepark, thats 54mm and not super wide? Comfy in chunk or crust, but decently fast in the park.

Was thinking F4 Tablets

Get the 97A formula fours. They come in 56 and 54mm classic shape. Very comfy on crust while still being fast on transition. Honestly, they're the perfect wheel if you spend your time between the streets and skatepark and don't want to switch out wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TumKayo on December 10, 2020, 10:18:05 AM
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What would be a good wheel for 50/50 city cruising and skatepark, thats 54mm and not super wide? Comfy in chunk or crust, but decently fast in the park.

Was thinking F4 Tablets
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Get the 97A formula fours. They come in 56 and 54mm classic shape. Very comfy on crust while still being fast on transition. Honestly, they're the perfect wheel if you spend your time between the streets and skatepark and don't want to switch out wheels.

Thanks. Will look into them for sure. The top three wheels I want to try are all spitfire F4s, just different shapes/sizes/duros
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 10, 2020, 11:39:30 AM
NFG Square Cut 95a wheels are in. I have only skated the for around 15 minutes but wanted to say they are a graphics out wheel.  They are hand poured and each wheel had bubbles on the inside.  It doesn't really bother me for the black friday pricing. 

(https://moddriver.com/images/nfg.jpg)
just skated my 95a V-cut 54mm around. I am liking them alot for what I do, especially this time of year. I don't ride in smooth parks so just a semi-smooth court with gravel-type bank, and a really rough parking lot and curb spot. Yeah i appreciate that they're hand poured, don't mind those "bubbles" and i still put graphics in. I'll rotate them around those every few weeks or so.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on December 10, 2020, 11:53:13 AM
If they're anything like my loopholes, you could rub the graphics away with a paper towel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on December 11, 2020, 08:38:08 PM
been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 11, 2020, 10:30:04 PM
been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.

I have SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101 and F4 99.    At the park, SPF are fastest - but my STFs are not far behind. I'm not sure why your STFs felt significantly slower.  Were they the same bearings?  Next, I find 101a F4 and 99a STF to be about the same speed at my super smooth park.  Slightly slower than 103 STF, but acceptable. 99 F4 to be the slowest of the bunch - and the only ones I find are too slow to ride there.

On the street, 99a STF and F4 are better.  101 F4s aren't too bad - much better than SPFs.

For me right now, if I had to have one setup only it would be 99a STF in a 54mm V5 and ceramic bearings. 

But instead I have 8-9 setups, because i have problems.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GoldenGateHeights on December 11, 2020, 10:56:46 PM
Anyone else had trouble finding Chargers lately? My go-to's on my big boy for cruising are the 80HD 54mm and I've been striking out on them over the past month or two
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 11, 2020, 11:20:24 PM
Anyone else had trouble finding Chargers lately? My go-to's on my big boy for cruising are the 80HD 54mm and I've been striking out on them over the past month or two

I am sure I saw some recently in a shop post, but I do follow a lot of shops so not sure I can recall where it was.

Also copied to the Spitfire Formula Four thread, just in case someone had seen some and can also post where.

For US, check Parade World, put in the cart and then look up where they are, but there are lots there.

https://www.paradeworld.com/search/?query=spitfire%20chargers


In Canada, Tiki Room has heaps of chargers, so check with your local as they might have some now too.

https://tikiroomskateboards.com/collections/spitfire
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on December 12, 2020, 07:20:50 AM
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been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.
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I have SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101 and F4 99.    At the park, SPF are fastest - but my STFs are not far behind. I'm not sure why your STFs felt significantly slower.  Were they the same bearings?  Next, I find 101a F4 and 99a STF to be about the same speed at my super smooth park.  Slightly slower than 103 STF, but acceptable. 99 F4 to be the slowest of the bunch - and the only ones I find are too slow to ride there.

On the street, 99a STF and F4 are better.  101 F4s aren't too bad - much better than SPFs.

For me right now, if I had to have one setup only it would be 99a STF in a 54mm V5 and ceramic bearings. 

But instead I have 8-9 setups, because i have problems.

they were swiss that needed a cleaning, but they were smaller too, 52s that might have even been worn. also back then i cranked down and used spacers, yeah...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on December 12, 2020, 08:08:01 AM
After a few months on Loophole, which are pretty solid, I am going back to F4. The Loophole seem to be a bit too grippy in 99 to where they feel slower and just aren’t as fun to ride. I liked them a bit more than my SML, but not enough to want them long term.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 12, 2020, 09:26:51 AM
Why is it so incredibly difficult to find <51mm wheels these days?

Nobody seems to even make 48mm wheels anymore? Why?

I'm on a set of 99a 48mm Spitfire Low Downs now and actually dig the shape at 28mm wide, with a 17.5mm riding surface, but they're a little grippier than I'd like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on December 12, 2020, 09:30:01 AM
Why is it so incredibly difficult to find <51mm wheels these days?

Nobody seems to even make 48mm wheels anymore? Why?

I'm on a set of 99a 48mm Spitfire Low Downs now and actually dig the shape at 28mm wide, with a 17.5mm riding surface, but they're a little grippier than I'd like.

https://www.boardycakes.com/ (https://www.boardycakes.com/) have some.

Edit: I realise only the 42mm available atm. SML Wheels also have a 40mm and very soft  50 mm.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 12, 2020, 10:00:40 AM
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Acky Jacky on December 12, 2020, 10:11:57 AM
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.

You can easily buy 50’s online. I’d imagine a lot of shops don’t feel the need to stock them due to low demand, but I’m not sure how that works. 52’s turn into 50’s rather quickly if you skate often.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on December 12, 2020, 10:40:15 AM
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.

Because they don't not sell very good. I rode 50mm for like 20 years. We at Sml. had to stop making them because we could't sell through even the minimum 125 sets we had to buy...basically 52 and up are the only solid sellers for us mom and pop brands.

We are working on a 48mm for next year but production times have doubled and in some cases tripled. So it's taking months just to get orders completed. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on December 12, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheBoognish on December 12, 2020, 03:52:08 PM
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 12, 2020, 06:58:27 PM
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been riding bones spfs for a while know, but im finally wondering about trying formula fours. spfs are just kind of limiting as great as they are at the park. every crack is so jarring, even on a smooth sidewalk.

not only that but the size/shape options are limited for spfs, 54 conicals feel a little clunky, and thats as small as they come. stfs come in more sizes but felt significantly significantly slower at the park.

101a radial slims or tablets sound pretty nice.
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I have SPF, STF 103, STF 99, F4 101 and F4 99.    At the park, SPF are fastest - but my STFs are not far behind. I'm not sure why your STFs felt significantly slower.  Were they the same bearings?  Next, I find 101a F4 and 99a STF to be about the same speed at my super smooth park.  Slightly slower than 103 STF, but acceptable. 99 F4 to be the slowest of the bunch - and the only ones I find are too slow to ride there.

On the street, 99a STF and F4 are better.  101 F4s aren't too bad - much better than SPFs.

For me right now, if I had to have one setup only it would be 99a STF in a 54mm V5 and ceramic bearings. 

But instead I have 8-9 setups, because i have problems.


I can't ride SPFs on street, just feels weird. Nothing beats them in smooth park tho. Can't ride F4 or STF 99s in park too sluggish, thos the STF 99s are better than the F4s in parks.

SPF (park bowls only)
101 STF/F4 park/smooth street
Rough anything = 99a STFs

Currently running:

50mm 99a STFs V2
51mm 101 Ricta super slims (narrower than Spit Tabs, it's a 'v3 tablet')
51mm 101 F4 tabs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 12, 2020, 07:24:33 PM
I'm definitely aware of all the niche small ~40mm wheel brands, but I just don't understand why 50 and 48mm wheels are damn near extinct.

Right now even more so because with covid problems and production issues, they are only making the most common sizes until they get back on top of the shortage and can get back to full production.  Just before the covid crisis really hit, the only sizes that were left in stock in the local distributor were 48, 50, 58 and 60mm wheels as all the others were sold out.

It is funny though because 52mm is only 1 single mm difference in height off the ground to 50 mm but I know some people who will have a fit if they cannot get 50mm wheels, but once they are a bit worn in or slightly more used to them, they have enjoyed 52mm just as much.

I know I can feel the difference too, but at least look around and get the closest for now until things get back closer to normal.


I had a look around (based on US shops):



Still in stock in some places, the Formula Four 50mm wheel (at Geometric skate shop or 303boards):

https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spifire-formula-4-classic-50mm-99d-90-4493339066422/


Or just 50mm in general, add to cart, then see "More from this seller" to show the actual shop that has them:

https://www.paradeworld.com/search/?query=50mm


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 12, 2020, 08:31:54 PM
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.

They look very similar to / the same as the SML wheels which are like (but not the same as) the classic Spitfire formula, which is not a bad thing.  I guess a lot of companies use wheels from certain manufacturers, who supply quite a few brands on the market.


From Cliff from the last page post and info about SML wheels: 

"So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability."

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3454496#msg3454496



This is the most in depth / close up pics I have seen of them, which does make them look pretty good.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGnfFtfptaC/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on December 12, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.

I think they're just creative, like the majority of the market. For what its worth, PFC (which is definitely creative) is going to be releasing new wheels in the near future. I don't think he's doing any really small ones in this first run though... I think he said 52 are the smallest. I would expect them to probably drop around January/February, or at least thats the timeline I heard a little while back. Not sure if the pandemic has pushed CU's production schedule back like other hardgoods.


Has anyone tried the 95a NFG yet? I've got a set (54mm squares) waiting for me when I get home next week. I'm really hoping its soft but not sticky, kinda like the creative 96a or OJ 97a formulas. I've tried the mini logo 95a hybrids and they're better than the old 90a ones but still a little too superball feeling for my tastes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 13, 2020, 04:55:55 AM
I’ve ridden my nfg 95a vee shape once and I like them. Seem to be similar performing but just cut the jittery and vibrations of a harder wheel on gravel or crusty pavement. Still barked a touch when slid. Need some more time with them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on December 13, 2020, 06:35:41 AM
Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.

I’m skating them know and they’re great. I usually skate a bones 83b slim. I’m riding 101a vinyl cut satoris and they’re easily my favorite new wheel. Usually if I go softer than 83b I feel like the wheel is too sticky. This time it wasn’t the case.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 13, 2020, 09:25:08 AM
Because they don't not sell very good. I rode 50mm for like 20 years. We at Sml. had to stop making them because we could't sell through even the minimum 125 sets we had to buy...basically 52 and up are the only solid sellers for us mom and pop brands.

We are working on a 48mm for next year but production times have doubled and in some cases tripled. So it's taking months just to get orders completed.

I hear ya.

It's surprising that demand is so low for the smaller sizes.

Stoked to hear you're working on a 48. I'd love to see something like 27-28mm wide with a 18-19mm riding surface in your AG formula or maybe even a lil harder.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on December 13, 2020, 08:18:38 PM
i couldn't skate 50mm wheels where i live. ground is way too rough in general. would be a skatepark only setup then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 13, 2020, 08:44:20 PM
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Anyone try the new Satoris?

I was a big fan for a long time, then started riding Bones and Spits when they went under the first time.

They reminded me of Prize Fighter wheels, I could never flatspot them and they were perfect for the rough Quebec ground.
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I think they're just creative, like the majority of the market. For what its worth, PFC (which is definitely creative) is going to be releasing new wheels in the near future. I don't think he's doing any really small ones in this first run though... I think he said 52 are the smallest. I would expect them to probably drop around January/February, or at least thats the timeline I heard a little while back. Not sure if the pandemic has pushed CU's production schedule back like other hardgoods.


Has anyone tried the 95a NFG yet? I've got a set (54mm squares) waiting for me when I get home next week. I'm really hoping its soft but not sticky, kinda like the creative 96a or OJ 97a formulas. I've tried the mini logo 95a hybrids and they're better than the old 90a ones but still a little too superball feeling for my tastes.

I just set some 95a square up. They feel more like a 97 to me. They take just a bit more rattle out than my STF 99s, but don’t feel soft.  It started snowing here, so I only have about half an hour on them in a parking lot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kneesles on December 14, 2020, 03:15:05 PM
I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.

I picked up a box of the 52mm tgm 12 wheel boxes and it only had one matching set of wheels in it. The others were random shape and durometers but there was a couple matching pairs so i picked up another box hoping that i would end up with at least 4 matching sets but the second box was worse than the first and didnt resemble the pictures at all. Ill be able to get 3 matching sets out of the 24 wheels with the rest being randoms/some pairs in shape, size, and weight. If anyone else grabbed these id be down to do a swap so we can get another set or 2 together. They should not have described the boxes as sets of wheels, just a box of 12 random wheels. One of the most disappointing skate purchases i have ever made.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 15, 2020, 05:23:34 AM
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I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.
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I picked up a box of the 52mm tgm 12 wheel boxes and it only had one matching set of wheels in it. The others were random shape and durometers but there was a couple matching pairs so i picked up another box hoping that i would end up with at least 4 matching sets but the second box was worse than the first and didnt resemble the pictures at all. Ill be able to get 3 matching sets out of the 24 wheels with the rest being randoms/some pairs in shape, size, and weight. If anyone else grabbed these id be down to do a swap so we can get another set or 2 together. They should not have described the boxes as sets of wheels, just a box of 12 random wheels. One of the most disappointing skate purchases i have ever made.

That hurt to read.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Noble Experiment on December 15, 2020, 08:53:29 AM
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I know its not ideal, but zumiez always has 49-51mm spitfire price points in stock. Classic shape and I believe classic formula, they change the name from time to time but as far as I can tell they're all pretty much the same. Kind of their version of the Bones 100 or an even cheaper bighead. I think they might make them exclusively for zumiez since I don't think I've ever seen them anywhere else.

Also TGM has boxes of 12 wheels for $15 right now, including 50mm. I think they're probably form or dura roller or one of those other pp brands that were always hidden in the back corner of the display case. I got some of the 55mm to use on rain boards and beaters and they're not bad.
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I picked up a box of the 52mm tgm 12 wheel boxes and it only had one matching set of wheels in it. The others were random shape and durometers but there was a couple matching pairs so i picked up another box hoping that i would end up with at least 4 matching sets but the second box was worse than the first and didnt resemble the pictures at all. Ill be able to get 3 matching sets out of the 24 wheels with the rest being randoms/some pairs in shape, size, and weight. If anyone else grabbed these id be down to do a swap so we can get another set or 2 together. They should not have described the boxes as sets of wheels, just a box of 12 random wheels. One of the most disappointing skate purchases i have ever made.
Hands down the stupidest idea for a mystery box ever.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on December 19, 2020, 12:32:43 PM
did a few slappies and powerslidees on some Satori today, they felt grippier than my 99 f4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 19, 2020, 01:01:03 PM
Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4’s? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 19, 2020, 08:45:22 PM
Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4’s? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those

Not without the added unwanted bonus of possible flatspots, as most other super hard wheels I have seen or riden end up very easily flatspotted, including OJs insaneathane (not elite) and a few local Australian companies who use wheels from other big manufacturers.  Anything that states it uses the B scale rather than the A scale is usually going to be much harder.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 19, 2020, 09:26:23 PM
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Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4’s? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those
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Not without the added unwanted bonus of possible flatspots, as most other super hard wheels I have seen or riden end up very easily flatspotted, including OJs insaneathane (not elite) and a few local Australian companies who use wheels from other big manufacturers.  Anything that states it uses the B scale rather than the A scale is usually going to be much harder.

The funny thing is that I’ve tried a fair amount of harder wheels and while I’ve never had flat spots, none have come anywhere close to sliding like F4’s or Stfs (the harder ones, not 99a). Oj elites 101a, Loophole/NFG, Minilogo 101, they all feel pretty grippy in comparison. I’m guessing it’s more a formula thing

I guess I don’t really have any reason to look around, as  F4’s get the job done for me, but I’m curious to see how slippery a wheel I can skate without getting wrecked. Maybe I’ll try those insane a thanes if I can find them cheap
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TumKayo on December 19, 2020, 09:47:15 PM
I just did a mini comparison between my hard AF 101a dgk wheels and new F4 99a tablets. The 99 F4s definitely stay sliding easier, and grip better on dusty or clean concrete. Now I get it.

I don't think I'm quite at the experience level where I can benefit from them, but come spring/summer hopefully I'll get looser with it.

I am starting to like them more the more I use them too. I just need to get better to access this potential.

The more I skate them, the more I notice they are a bit slower than my other wheels though. However, I have this 1mm metal nail head sticking out of my garage that I always ride over. These wheels take it in stride best for their relative size. They are planted but not too sticky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 20, 2020, 07:18:56 AM
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Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4’s? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those
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Not without the added unwanted bonus of possible flatspots, as most other super hard wheels I have seen or riden end up very easily flatspotted, including OJs insaneathane (not elite) and a few local Australian companies who use wheels from other big manufacturers.  Anything that states it uses the B scale rather than the A scale is usually going to be much harder.
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The funny thing is that I’ve tried a fair amount of harder wheels and while I’ve never had flat spots, none have come anywhere close to sliding like F4’s or Stfs (the harder ones, not 99a). Oj elites 101a, Loophole/NFG, Minilogo 101, they all feel pretty grippy in comparison. I’m guessing it’s more a formula thing

I guess I don’t really have any reason to look around, as  F4’s get the job done for me, but I’m curious to see how slippery a wheel I can skate without getting wrecked. Maybe I’ll try those insane a thanes if I can find them cheap

I have a long mellow hill bitumen road here, so can set up whatever and do the slide test on lots of used wheels, which is pretty interesting.  Of all the Formula Four 99s I usually have, all are good to me, but the 101s have been a bit funny, some feel grippier than the 99s, but one set I just tried the other day was so super slippery compared to the rest.  I almost ended up on my ass the first slide before I controlled it and was sure they were sliding so much further than the rest, not just on that day alone.

It is also the best way of wearing down wheels that have come to me from others with flatspots in them too, and way more fun.

I think the majority of flatspots in wheels from others have been from slipping out on things, and usually only one or two wheels that have taken the heel impact, so fairly easy to get out too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 20, 2020, 08:34:04 AM
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Does anyone know of any wheels less grippy than F4’s? I have Stfs that are comparable but never come across any wheels that slide better than either of those
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Not without the added unwanted bonus of possible flatspots, as most other super hard wheels I have seen or riden end up very easily flatspotted, including OJs insaneathane (not elite) and a few local Australian companies who use wheels from other big manufacturers.  Anything that states it uses the B scale rather than the A scale is usually going to be much harder.
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The funny thing is that I’ve tried a fair amount of harder wheels and while I’ve never had flat spots, none have come anywhere close to sliding like F4’s or Stfs (the harder ones, not 99a). Oj elites 101a, Loophole/NFG, Minilogo 101, they all feel pretty grippy in comparison. I’m guessing it’s more a formula thing

I guess I don’t really have any reason to look around, as  F4’s get the job done for me, but I’m curious to see how slippery a wheel I can skate without getting wrecked. Maybe I’ll try those insane a thanes if I can find them cheap
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I have a long mellow hill bitumen road here, so can set up whatever and do the slide test on lots of used wheels, which is pretty interesting.  Of all the Formula Four 99s I usually have, all are good to me, but the 101s have been a bit funny, some feel grippier than the 99s, but one set I just tried the other day was so super slippery compared to the rest.  I almost ended up on my ass the first slide before I controlled it and was sure they were sliding so much further than the rest, not just on that day alone.

It is also the best way of wearing down wheels that have come to me from others with flatspots in them too, and way more fun.

I think the majority of flatspots in wheels from others have been from slipping out on things, and usually only one or two wheels that have taken the heel impact, so fairly easy to get out too.

That’s funny about the F4’s, I noticed the same thing. My 101’s are less consistent wheel to wheel as far as sliding goes. Some grip, some slide whereas the 99’s seem to pretty evenly give me the same grip to slide from wheel to wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 28, 2020, 04:21:26 PM
are 55mm wheels going to make the pop feel much steeper than 49mm? or is it unnoticeable? really dont want to run risers and i think forged plates (venture) is my only other option
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 28, 2020, 05:09:36 PM
are 55mm wheels going to make the pop feel much steeper than 49mm? or is it unnoticeable? really dont want to run risers and i think forged plates (venture) is my only other option

That's a pretty big jump in wheels size, my dude. You'll notice for sure.

For 55mm wheels, depending on how tight you ride, you could get away with 53mm truck height.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 28, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
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are 55mm wheels going to make the pop feel much steeper than 49mm? or is it unnoticeable? really dont want to run risers and i think forged plates (venture) is my only other option
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That's a pretty big jump in wheels size, my dude. You'll notice for sure.

For 55mm wheels, depending on how tight you ride, you could get away with 53mm truck height.

indy 78a barrels for my 6.1s
cant run big trucks rattly loose without wheelbite suicide and this seems to be the next best thing

So looking at 49 to 55mm wheels, they would be 3mm closer to the deck and 3mm higher off the ground.  Put something that is 3mm under the back wheels and compare how much higher the nose will sit.  That is going to be the difference.

Also if you ride very loose trucks, they may or may not give you a fair bit of grief, depending on how strong your ankles are or how heavy you lean or land.

As XEN said, it is a bit of a jump and might take some time to get used to.  The up side is bigger wheels go faster and last longer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 28, 2020, 07:01:11 PM
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are 55mm wheels going to make the pop feel much steeper than 49mm? or is it unnoticeable? really dont want to run risers and i think forged plates (venture) is my only other option
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That's a pretty big jump in wheels size, my dude. You'll notice for sure.

For 55mm wheels, depending on how tight you ride, you could get away with 53mm truck height.
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indy 78a barrels for my 6.1s
cant run big trucks rattly loose without wheelbite suicide and this seems to be the next best thing
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So looking at 49 to 55mm wheels, they would be 3mm closer to the deck and 3mm higher off the ground.  Put something that is 3mm under the back wheels and compare how much higher the nose will sit.  That is going to be the difference.

Also if you ride very loose trucks, they may or may not give you a fair bit of grief, depending on how strong your ankles are or how heavy you lean or land.

As XEN said, it is a bit of a jump and might take some time to get used to.  The up side is bigger wheels go faster and last longer.
thanks for the answers
put some 1/8 risers under the wheels and the difference with the nose up isnt worth new wheels.

just gonna see if i can snag some forged plates and see if the pop feels heavier/steeper with a "shorter" tail
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 30, 2020, 11:01:12 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJZ3B0QlPBY/?igshid=hfvpu09aqpzs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on December 30, 2020, 12:56:11 PM
Usually don't care for colored wheels but Dogtown has been killing it with their colors lately.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on December 31, 2020, 04:28:32 AM
Getting back into skating after a few years off and was hoping you guys could help me with choosing some wheels. I'm looking for something fast but also reasonably grippy, I pretty much only skate my local park where the concrete is fairly chewed up so Ive always found a wider contact patch to be good. I've ridden a few different wheels and had mixed feelings about them. 99a formula fours were grippy enough for me but they just felt mushy and dull. STF 103a were fast as hell but definitely felt way too slippery. Right now I have on my board some OJ insanathane 101a I think? These are probably my favourite wheel yet, they are worn down and I'm ready for new ones but can't find these anymore. Which has me leaning towards the OJ elites. Any recommendations please?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 31, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
Getting back into skating after a few years off and was hoping you guys could help me with choosing some wheels. I'm looking for something fast but also reasonably grippy, I pretty much only skate my local park where the concrete is fairly chewed up so Ive always found a wider contact patch to be good. I've ridden a few different wheels and had mixed feelings about them. 99a formula fours were grippy enough for me but they just felt mushy and dull. STF 103a were fast as hell but definitely felt way too slippery. Right now I have on my board some OJ insanathane 101a I think? These are probably my favourite wheel yet, they are worn down and I'm ready for new ones but can't find these anymore. Which has me leaning towards the OJ elites. Any recommendations please?

https://ojwheels.com/shapes

OJ Elites are a good wheel if you are not so keen on Spitfires and come in wider options and both 99 and 101.

Also if you found the Bones STF too slippery, the Bones SPF (Skate park formula which are just as hard but not slippery) might be a bit more to your liking and although they come in round wider shapes with a medium contact patch, they are one of the longest lasting and least likely to flatspot, especially compared to OJs.

What size are you looking at?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on December 31, 2020, 07:00:29 AM
Bones STF 99a will be perfect for you. Good grip and still a hard enough to keep you rolling fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on December 31, 2020, 07:18:42 AM
97 spits is the correct answer no?  SPF are stickier but when you describe STF's as way too slippery...the difference isn't that much.  The hardest key frames are an option too.....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on December 31, 2020, 10:56:21 AM
Bones STF 99a will be perfect for you. Good grip and still a hard enough to keep you rolling fast.

word, i got these for a curb board and they are honestly harder than i expected. speaking of which, has anyone used 92a wheels for slappys? i think i want some for a crusty spot but worried they are too grippy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 31, 2020, 12:04:54 PM
The OJ 95a Nomads are worth considering also. I'm two months into a set of 54mms and they are holding up really well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on December 31, 2020, 04:50:37 PM
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mosaic_CS_Clover_83b_Wheels/descpage-MSCLVWH.html

These caught my eye today... anyone know anything about them? 48mm 83b and they look pretty fat, so I'm wondering if they're basically a harder version of the boardy cakes benchwarmers. Next time I need something to put me over the free shipping threshold or if they turn up in one of my local shops I might try them. I think mosaic is a euro company so I wonder if they use creative like most people or if theres some EU equivalent.

Since I got back to Pittsburgh its been a steady diet of snow and salt, so I've been skating 56mm 97a creature/OJ and the 54mm square NFG 95a formula a lot. Really loving the NFG... its not as soft as the 95a minilogo formula and it actually feels about the same or maybe even slightly harder than the 97a OJ and Pig formulas I skated last winter. It slides really well but still soaks up cracks and trucks over those little compacted salt nuggets that have taken me down more times than I can count. I was pretty skeptical about them and since I was in Texas for the entire time they were on sale I only got the squares, really wish I'd grabbed the V cuts now. The squares are great but I feel like the V cut would be pretty close to my ideal winter wheel. Hopefully they do another run of 95a again soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on December 31, 2020, 05:10:52 PM

Since I got back to Pittsburgh its been a steady diet of snow and salt, so I've been skating 56mm 97a creature/OJ and the 54mm square NFG 95a formula a lot. Really loving the NFG... its not as soft as the 95a minilogo formula and it actually feels about the same or maybe even slightly harder than the 97a OJ and Pig formulas I skated last winter. It slides really well but still soaks up cracks and trucks over those little compacted salt nuggets that have taken me down more times than I can count. I was pretty skeptical about them and since I was in Texas for the entire time they were on sale I only got the squares, really wish I'd grabbed the V cuts now. The squares are great but I feel like the V cut would be pretty close to my ideal winter wheel. Hopefully they do another run of 95a again soon.
I have the V cut 54mm 95a and I agree, pretty perfect winter wheel. Maybe should’ve gotten 56mm since I usually use risers with my 9” trucks anyway. But I agree with you, skated a court/bank rocky spot with tons of pebbles and they ate em up really well. Still need more time, only got 1 or 2 quick sessions in them with all the snow and cold.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on December 31, 2020, 10:05:21 PM
Bones STF 99a will be perfect for you. Good grip and still a hard enough to keep you rolling fast.

I've purchased some 53mm 99a v5 stf's. Can't wait for them to arrive and put then on. New board while I was at it too, got a 9.0 anithero eagle. Gunna slap it all on my Indy 169. Thanks for the advice, I was looking at some of these before you mentioned them and you sold me on it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 11, 2021, 05:06:49 PM
Whenever I see the display from Uprise I can't help but think I want to try some of those wheels.  They do such a good job, with detailed pics and showing all angles which is a lot more than most places do.

This time Dialtone wheels, which look like a few others that have been on here and there and I know absolutely nothing about them, but it is cool to see.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ6wV-PJUch/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 11, 2021, 06:28:14 PM
Almost picked up a set of SML James Craig (Clifford the Big Red Dog) wheels, I love his skating but I don't see myself riding anything besides Spitfires and to a lesser degree Bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 11, 2021, 06:47:16 PM
I rode a set of SMLs on my last setup, the whole gear shortage due to COVID forced me out of my F4 comfort zone but I’m kinda happy it did. For the meantime loophole get all my hard earned, but SML do make a solid wheel!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 11, 2021, 10:02:55 PM
These and others posted recently all seem like good / legit brands with decent urethane, but I am also seeing a lot of cheap wheels from local "nobody knows who" or DIY brands in the same way that the DIY deck brand was getting a bit too big a while back, with the cheap China imports of questionable quality flooding the backyard market.

I know there are some good quality urethane manufacturers out there besides those who are only made in house by brands like Spitfire, Bones, NFG Mfg, etc but I wonder too if the shortage has not really increased the market of crap quality wheels that I have seen coming out more lately too.

Even some of the fake Spitfire wheels coming out actually perform fairly well, from what some people have been saying too, so who knows when things might even out between the big wheel companies and the up and comers.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Turtle Boy on January 12, 2021, 04:52:27 AM
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mosaic_CS_Clover_83b_Wheels/descpage-MSCLVWH.html

These caught my eye today... anyone know anything about them? 48mm 83b and they look pretty fat, so I'm wondering if they're basically a harder version of the boardy cakes benchwarmers. Next time I need something to put me over the free shipping threshold or if they turn up in one of my local shops I might try them. I think mosaic is a euro company so I wonder if they use creative like most people or if theres some EU equivalent.

Since I got back to Pittsburgh its been a steady diet of snow and salt, so I've been skating 56mm 97a creature/OJ and the 54mm square NFG 95a formula a lot. Really loving the NFG... its not as soft as the 95a minilogo formula and it actually feels about the same or maybe even slightly harder than the 97a OJ and Pig formulas I skated last winter. It slides really well but still soaks up cracks and trucks over those little compacted salt nuggets that have taken me down more times than I can count. I was pretty skeptical about them and since I was in Texas for the entire time they were on sale I only got the squares, really wish I'd grabbed the V cuts now. The squares are great but I feel like the V cut would be pretty close to my ideal winter wheel. Hopefully they do another run of 95a again soon.
I tried some mosaic wheels that I got for free 3 years ago, and they were awful, super plastic-ish, super hard AND super grippy, could barely powerslide. I don't know if they improved their formula, but back then they were really bad, nonetheless the shape was really cool. Back then they were made in China so I don't know about now, but I doubt it's creative.

That being said I swear by Mosaic bearings, best value for money you can have in Europe.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: devourthehours on January 12, 2021, 07:07:14 AM
Whenever I see the display from Uprise I can't help but think I want to try some of those wheels.  They do such a good job, with detailed pics and showing all angles which is a lot more than most places do.

This time Dialtone wheels, which look like a few others that have been on here and there and I know absolutely nothing about them, but it is cool to see.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ6wV-PJUch/


Riding a set of 53 99a Dialtones right now. I really like them so far.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on January 12, 2021, 09:38:41 AM
Almost picked up a set of SML James Craig (Clifford the Big Red Dog) wheels, I love his skating but I don't see myself riding anything besides Spitfires and to a lesser degree Bones.

Those are our Aend wheels. Very close to a bones STF. They have high rebound and don't flat spot. It's my fav formula we make. I keep telling Aaron and Austyn to kick me off the team since I pretty much only skate curbs these days...they still won't..damn them!! Haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fooj on January 12, 2021, 11:20:40 AM
Just a heads up all,

I bought some bootleg 52mm F4s on ebay last week, luckily the seller was cool enough to give me a refund once I pointed out the inconsistencies. Has anyone else seen fakes like these out in the market?

1. the wheels had treds on the contact patch
2. The width of the wheel and contact patch was more narrow than a normal classic 52mm
3. This ransom graphic only came on radials, not classics
4. the graphics are messy compared to authentic, coloring outside the lines

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Formula-Four-52mm-99-Duro-skateboard-wheels/393081666054?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Db6f36c33ac4747ebaa9315346a3cf155%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D393081666054%26itm%3D393081666054%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2060778%26brand%3DSpitfire&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507

(http://i.imgur.com/0NXR624.jpg) (https://imgur.com/0NXR624)
(http://i.imgur.com/iBEPXJV.jpg) (https://imgur.com/iBEPXJV)
(http://i.imgur.com/5dqEdTk.jpg) (https://imgur.com/5dqEdTk)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fooj on January 12, 2021, 11:26:49 AM
wow, this guy actually has a whole bunch of fake shit posted now that I look at the rest of the stuff for sale:

All the wheels have a weird greenish tint to them

Radial slims shaped like classics:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Formula-Four-54mm-Radial-Slims-101-Duro-skateboard-wheels/393081665900?hash=item5b857e396c:g:-G0AAOSwzJFf5Q3B

Conicals shaped like lock ins
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Formula-Four-53mm-Conical-Full-99-Duro-skateboard-wheels/393081665503?hash=item5b857e37df:g:VskAAOSw15Nf7nmX

indys with a painted over baseplate(see cross), and misspellinged FORGED on label
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Independent-trucks-139-This-Is-A-Pair/393081666331?hash=item5b857e3b1b:g:0n8AAOSw8MRfvETw
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on January 12, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
I’m lucky enough to buy from some of the best shops in the country, so I don’t need to worry about fakery.

On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people? I was skating at my personal best, quite awhile ago, and had this experience where I met up with some folks that were outside my ability level. They were bombing hills, skitching back up, lots of grinds on Unwaxed shit, you know, ruling. I was waaaay back on a 775, lo’s etc. couldn’t handle the terrain outside of the skatepark. I’ve chased bigger setups since, hasn’t really helped.

TL;dr

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 12, 2021, 05:29:10 PM
wow, this guy actually has a whole bunch of fake shit posted now that I look at the rest of the stuff for sale:

All the wheels have a weird greenish tint to them

Radial slims shaped like classics:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Formula-Four-54mm-Radial-Slims-101-Duro-skateboard-wheels/393081665900?hash=item5b857e396c:g:-G0AAOSwzJFf5Q3B

Conicals shaped like lock ins
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Formula-Four-53mm-Conical-Full-99-Duro-skateboard-wheels/393081665503?hash=item5b857e37df:g:VskAAOSw15Nf7nmX

indys with a painted over baseplate(see cross), and misspellinged FORGED on label
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Independent-trucks-139-This-Is-A-Pair/393081666331?hash=item5b857e3b1b:g:0n8AAOSw8MRfvETw

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH78my2hifb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Took me a whole day (IG noob here) but I did a comparison of fakes versus real Spitfires. Graphics, dimensions, packaging and ride feel are night and day difference. Right next to me I have 5 sets of fake Spitfire wheels:
- F4 Classic 52mm 101a (Green Swirl)
- F4 Radial Slim 54mm 101a (Speed Kills graphic) - they are shaped like classics
- F4 Radial Slims 52mm 101a (Venomous graphic) - they are shaped like conicals
- F4 Conical 52mm 101a (Green graphic) - Dimensions are off
- F4 Tablets 52mm 101a (Red graphic) - they are shaped like conicals

Counterfeits are rampant in Asia, there are a few shops in Indonesia that are pushing back against them. A buddy of mine contacted a seller / distributor on Alibaba and they were proud to say they were selling counterfeits and the quality was exactly the same as F4.

Rode a set of the fake Conical Fulls while they are ok to roll around on, are incredibly sticky even on Skatelite.

If the rain keeps up and I can't get a session in I'll post up more stuff on IG on the fakes, probably the most egregious fakes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on January 12, 2021, 05:43:06 PM
What's really weird is that you have sellers pushing fake product at full-price. I had some "eBay Bucks" kicking around and I decided to pick up some Bones Big Ball Bearings, and it was immediately obvious that these were fake. They were regular price - $25 - not the too-good-too-be-true Bones Swiss price you see on there. I emailed the buyer and get immediately issued me a return label, without comment, so he knows they are fake

I should have known better, but I know there are legit skate shops selling Bones Bearings online

This is the seller, by the way. I assume that everything he is selling is also 100% fake (and also has the aforementioned too-good-too-be-true prices). I Googled the return address and it also doubles as a shady smartphone repair operation
https://www.ebay.com/sch/jdub7217/m.html?ssPageName=&_trksid=p2057872.m4086.l2654
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 12, 2021, 05:57:54 PM
What's really weird is that you have sellers pushing fake product at full-price. I had some "eBay Bucks" kicking around and I decided to pick up some Bones Big Ball Bearings, and it was immediately obvious that these were fake. They were regular price - $25 - not the too-good-too-be-true Bones Swiss price you see on there. I emailed the buyer and get immediately issued me a return label, without comment, so he knows they are fake

I should have known better, but I know there are legit skate shops selling Bones Bearings online

This is the seller, by the way. I assume that everything he is selling is also 100% fake (and also has the aforementioned too-good-too-be-true prices)
https://www.ebay.com/sch/jdub7217/m.html?ssPageName=&_trksid=p2057872.m4086.l2654

Guys who sell counterfeits Spitfires stick to a few designs:

Lacey Baker Conicals
Neckface Conicals
Red Conical Full
Blue Conical Full
Dressed Black Wheel Conical
Radial Slim 54mm Speed Kills
Overlay Radial
Reynolds Blue Wheels
Green Conical
Red Tablets (listed as Conical / Conical Full)

If you're buying these for yourself because you're curious, that's fine and have fun with them. But selling hucking them at full price and claiming they are genuine are unforgivable scum.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 12, 2021, 06:40:31 PM
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On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people? I was skating at my personal best, quite awhile ago, and had this experience where I met up with some folks that were outside my ability level. They were bombing hills, skitching back up, lots of grinds on Unwaxed shit, you know, ruling. I was waaaay back on a 775, lo’s etc. couldn’t handle the terrain outside of the skatepark. I’ve chased bigger setups since, hasn’t really helped.

TL;dr

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?
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53/54mm. Start to notice the struggle at spots when they get below 50mm. A wider contact patch helps a lot. If I go above 55 my flatground goes to shit and the wheelbite is too much (medium loose Ventures).

I'm on some 54 Loopholes. The square shape ones. Love everything about them. They power through everything without being too big or wide (might be the formula helping here, too). I might try the v-cuts next for some more width/stability.
54mm is the happy medium, it’s all I rode for years!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on January 12, 2021, 06:53:56 PM
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On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people? I was skating at my personal best, quite awhile ago, and had this experience where I met up with some folks that were outside my ability level. They were bombing hills, skitching back up, lots of grinds on Unwaxed shit, you know, ruling. I was waaaay back on a 775, lo’s etc. couldn’t handle the terrain outside of the skatepark. I’ve chased bigger setups since, hasn’t really helped.

TL;dr

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?
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53/54mm. Start to notice the struggle at spots when they get below 50mm. A wider contact patch helps a lot. If I go above 55 my flatground goes to shit and the wheelbite is too much (medium loose Ventures).

I'm on some 54 Loopholes. The square shape ones. Love everything about them. They power through everything without being too big or wide (might be the formula helping here, too). I might try the v-cuts next for some more width/stability.
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54mm is the happy medium, it’s all I rode for years!

Thanks for the responses. I was afraid of the answers. ‘Preciate it tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 12, 2021, 10:30:46 PM
wow, this guy actually has a whole bunch of fake shit posted now that I look at the rest of the stuff for sale:
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There are so many more sellers that ONLY sell fake product, as per that guy - everything he is selling is fake, some might look very similar but there are always inconsistencies.  For the most part, almost all the buyers would never know it is fake, which is the biggest issue, especially if they are paying closer to retail prices and have a not so good experience.

The more interesting thing to me, ( and I am not going to buy fake stuff,) but I do wonder how it actually skates compared to the real product, so if you do come by some and they don't ask for it back, get out there and give it a belting and see how it does hold up.

The fake market is growing on a massive scale, especially with so much product still not being widely available on the global market, so sometimes it might be so well done that even people who know might find it hard to tell the difference.

Almost always if it is a no name seller on ebay or other online platform, with no shop link or something like that, it is going to be fake or hot product.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 12, 2021, 10:40:48 PM
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On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people?

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?
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53/54mm. Start to notice the struggle at spots when they get below 50mm. A wider contact patch helps a lot. If I go above 55 my flatground goes to shit and the wheelbite is too much (medium loose Ventures).

I'm on some 54 Loopholes. The square shape ones. Love everything about them. They power through everything without being too big or wide (might be the formula helping here, too). I might try the v-cuts next for some more width/stability.
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54mm is the happy medium, it’s all I rode for years!


I always had a few boards set up with different sized wheels, all usually started out the same size, Spitfires most about the 56mm various graphics to 59mm bigheads, but I would always have at least one board that was below 50mm and one that was a lot closer to new 59mm and depending on what terrain I would skate, I could pick and choose which board I would ride.  To most people this was a bit ridiculous.

Although I had way too many of all the same board, it was fun, but now I usually just have two boards kicking around in the car, one with about 56mm (newer wheels) and one with the same wheels down around 52mm, so that is pretty much everything covered.

I know some guys that use the same board but always carry a spare set or two of wheels with bearings in them, all done up on a shoe lace, so if they want to skate something specific, they change the wheels out, but to me that is more of a pain.  It definitely works for them though.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 12, 2021, 11:46:17 PM
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wow, this guy actually has a whole bunch of fake shit posted now that I look at the rest of the stuff for sale:
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There are so many more sellers that ONLY sell fake product, as per that guy - everything he is selling is fake, some might look very similar but there are always inconsistencies.  For the most part, almost all the buyers would never know it is fake, which is the biggest issue, especially if they are paying closer to retail prices and have a not so good experience.

The more interesting thing to me, ( and I am not going to buy fake stuff,) but I do wonder how it actually skates compared to the real product, so if you do come by some and they don't ask for it back, get out there and give it a belting and see how it does hold up.

The fake market is growing on a massive scale, especially with so much product still not being widely available on the global market, so sometimes it might be so well done that even people who know might find it hard to tell the difference.

Almost always if it is a no name seller on ebay or other online platform, with no shop link or something like that, it is going to be fake or hot product.

The wheels are horrible, that much I can attest to. Can't bring myself to buy a fake Baker board to test it out, but I've heard mixed reviews; even experienced riders haven't said bad things about it.

Fake Venture Titaniums are a laugh too:
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/Uff12d566714348c9b69fe6c500a250a27.jpg)

"Part came with a small defect, but everything was settled with the seller"

This ain't no small defect.....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 13, 2021, 12:21:56 AM
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On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people?

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?
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53/54mm. Start to notice the struggle at spots when they get below 50mm. A wider contact patch helps a lot. If I go above 55 my flatground goes to shit and the wheelbite is too much (medium loose Ventures).

I'm on some 54 Loopholes. The square shape ones. Love everything about them. They power through everything without being too big or wide (might be the formula helping here, too). I might try the v-cuts next for some more width/stability.
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54mm is the happy medium, it’s all I rode for years!
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I always had a few boards set up with different sized wheels, all usually started out the same size, Spitfires most about the 56mm various graphics to 59mm bigheads, but I would always have at least one board that was below 50mm and one that was a lot closer to new 59mm and depending on what terrain I would skate, I could pick and choose which board I would ride.  To most people this was a bit ridiculous.

Although I had way too many of all the same board, it was fun, but now I usually just have two boards kicking around in the car, one with about 56mm (newer wheels) and one with the same wheels down around 52mm, so that is pretty much everything covered.

I know some guys that use the same board but always carry a spare set or two of wheels with bearings in them, all done up on a shoe lace, so if they want to skate something specific, they change the wheels out, but to me that is more of a pain.  It definitely works for them though.




I’m the same, I now have two boards; one with 52s and the other with 56s, covers all my bases!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2021, 02:12:12 AM

Fake Venture Titaniums are a laugh too:

"Part came with a small defect, but everything was settled with the seller"

This ain't no small defect.....

Did you do the magnet test too? 

Titanium is not magnetic, so if a magnet sticks to the axle, they are not titanium.


And just to keep it relevant, those fake Spitfires were crap after all?

This makes me happy, because I really don't want to get any, but I was itching to try some.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 13, 2021, 07:22:54 AM
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Fake Venture Titaniums are a laugh too:

"Part came with a small defect, but everything was settled with the seller"

This ain't no small defect.....
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Did you do the magnet test too? 

Titanium is not magnetic, so if a magnet sticks to the axle, they are not titanium.


And just to keep it relevant, those fake Spitfires were crap after all?

This makes me happy, because I really don't want to get any, but I was itching to try some.

I ordered. Pair of the fake Ventures but they didn't arrive after 2 months so I got a refund.

Yes the fake Spitfires are horrible. They're round and they roll, not good if you like sliding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 13, 2021, 08:31:27 AM
I can't believe these posts with the fake spits/indys/ventures...wow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on January 13, 2021, 09:49:26 AM
Y'all wack for buying that shit
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Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 13, 2021, 10:05:48 AM
Y'all wack for buying that shit
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Post by: rocklobster on January 13, 2021, 10:25:55 AM
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Y'all wack for buying that shit
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Counterfeit skate stuff isn't a big problem in the US which rarely has shortage of quality skate products, everywhere else in the world felt the gear shortage in 2020 more acutely, hence the prominence of these Counterfeits. I won't begrudge anyone buying or riding them, everyone has different abilities to spend on skateboarding and we should support what keeps the industry alive when we can afford it.

This is the quality of stuff that developing parts of Asia (Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines) and its even crept into parts of Australia. I have no qualms with people buying and riding counterfeits, people have been doing that with luxury goods for the longest times. But sellers scamming people and telling buyers their stuff is genuine is where I thought I should step in and say something, at least within my own country.

I bought and tested a couple of sets of counterfeit spitfire wheels to do a comparison against the legit stuff; give them a fair shake to they were worth the $25 price tag. Unfortunately they weren't, hence the series of posts to educate others on how to spot the genuine and fake wheels. They are ok for $10 wheels, but definitely a rip off for $25 while bearing the spitfire brand name.

If people are spending their hard earned money buying skate product, they deserve to know if it's legit or at the very least know how to spot fakes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rumstove on January 13, 2021, 10:59:09 AM
I'm all about soft wheels right now as I enjoy cruising more and more. Looking to replace my hard as a rock Ricta Core 55mm with some Ricta 56mm/78a. My only hangup is do I go with Clouds or Chrome Clouds? Any thoughts on either one? I did look at the OJ Mini Super Juice (55mm/78a) but they are wider and would stick out a bit too much for my liking on this setup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on January 13, 2021, 11:54:47 AM
I'm all about soft wheels right now as I enjoy cruising more and more. Looking to replace my hard as a rock Ricta Core 55mm with some Ricta 56mm/78a. My only hangup is do I go with Clouds or Chrome Clouds? Any thoughts on either one? I did look at the OJ Mini Super Juice (55mm/78a) but they are wider and would stick out a bit too much for my liking on this setup.
i don’t know the difference in those ricta. Chrome clouds newer? Also could try oj Keyframes theyre 78a and well liked. Mine held up. Super juice are a 100% cruiser wheel, shaped as so. You looking for a street classic shape but softer durometer? Ricta also makes an 80-range too, and there are now harder 95a on nomads out for a middle ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on January 13, 2021, 12:09:21 PM
I think Keyframes come in 78 and 87a... honestly unless you’re just after pure downhill speed the 87a are amazingly fun. Soft-but-still-slightly-firm. Skate them anywhere, crust/street/park.

I’ve got a set of 52mm clouds (78) and I guess they feel ok too. Not as soft as others in that range (76-78) I’ve tried but I don’t like the feel of a street cut shape in that type of eurethane personally.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on January 13, 2021, 12:14:02 PM
The "bought em to test em" explanation feels kinda stupid. You gave them money, they gonna keep doing that. Everybody always ends up using that excuse, but what if the wheels/trucks/bearings were any good? Or even decent? You all would totally buy them again and be taking more money away from skateboarding.

My money used to be tight, but i would rather skate 30mm flatspotted Spitfires than order some cheap trash from ebay.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rumstove on January 13, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
i don’t know the difference in those ricta. Chrome clouds newer? Also could try oj Keyframes theyre 78a and well liked. Mine held up. Super juice are a 100% cruiser wheel, shaped as so. You looking for a street classic shape but softer durometer? Ricta also makes an 80-range too, and there are now harder 95a on nomads out for a middle ground.

I think Keyframes come in 78 and 87a... honestly unless you’re just after pure downhill speed the 87a are amazingly fun. Soft-but-still-slightly-firm. Skate them anywhere, crust/street/park.

I’ve got a set of 52mm clouds (78) and I guess they feel ok too. Not as soft as others in that range (76-78) I’ve tried but I don’t like the feel of a street cut shape in that type of eurethane personally.

Thanks both of you! Yeah I believe the chrome clouds are newer (still out for a couple years now) than the clouds. Yep I'm looking for street classic shape, but was tempted by the mini super juice after watching some John Gardner videos. The Keyframes look like a nice shape but I've only seen them in 87a...I'll have to look around a bit more. Then again, perhaps 87a is closer to what I'm actually looking for. Interesting the 52mm 78a Clouds felt harder than others in that range. Main goal is to go over rough parking lots and sidewalks a bit easier while still being able to do some ollies, kickflips, and curb grinds. I'm still sifting through options.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2021, 04:26:41 PM
The "bought em to test em" explanation feels kinda stupid. You gave them money, they gonna keep doing that. Everybody always ends up using that excuse, but what if the wheels/trucks/bearings were any good? Or even decent? You all would totally buy them again and be taking more money away from skateboarding.

My money used to be tight, but i would rather skate 30mm flatspotted Spitfires than order some cheap trash from ebay.

Some skate shops, yes SKATE SHOPS in Asia and other places are actually buying in those fakes too, which is a really sad day for skateboarding in general.

There are a lot of people, be it kids, or parents buying for their kids, or who knows what, but a lot of people shopping from their home and ebay is a very easy source of product, so they have no idea it is fake.

Even looking at ebay feedback for the few sellers I have marked as "every product they sell is 100% fake" they are still getting mainly if not all positive reviews, with just one or two getting negative feedback when someone really knows what is going on.  One guy I messaged asking about the product even tried to tell me it was legit, claiming where it was from and I was getting a bargain, as the wheels were slightly cheaper than the regular RRP, but when I pointed out with pics the clear differences and exactly what his wheels were, I got no more replies back and the guy is still selling more of his fake stuff on ebay.com.au and getting away with it.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2021, 04:33:47 PM
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i don’t know the difference in those ricta. Chrome clouds newer? Also could try oj Keyframes theyre 78a and well liked. Mine held up. Super juice are a 100% cruiser wheel, shaped as so. You looking for a street classic shape but softer durometer? Ricta also makes an 80-range too, and there are now harder 95a on nomads out for a middle ground.
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I think Keyframes come in 78 and 87a... honestly unless you’re just after pure downhill speed the 87a are amazingly fun. Soft-but-still-slightly-firm. Skate them anywhere, crust/street/park.

I’ve got a set of 52mm clouds (78) and I guess they feel ok too. Not as soft as others in that range (76-78) I’ve tried but I don’t like the feel of a street cut shape in that type of eurethane personally.
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Thanks both of you! Yeah I believe the chrome clouds are newer (still out for a couple years now) than the clouds. Yep I'm looking for street classic shape, but was tempted by the mini super juice after watching some John Gardner videos. The Keyframes look like a nice shape but I've only seen them in 87a...I'll have to look around a bit more. Then again, perhaps 87a is closer to what I'm actually looking for. Interesting the 52mm 78a Clouds felt harder than others in that range. Main goal is to go over rough parking lots and sidewalks a bit easier while still being able to do some ollies, kickflips, and curb grinds. I'm still sifting through options.

I found that around 90 duro was the perfect mix of compound for wheels for all terrain, as you can still just cess slide a bit if you need to but everything else is very smooth sailing over almost anything on the ground without feeling the sucking of speed out of smaller lower duro wheels, especially when you turn or carve sharply.

Things a few points on either side of that still work fine too, eg Keyframes in 87a, or my old Spitfire soft-d 92 wheels, but others like Ricta clouds (chrome is just the new cool look like rims on your car), Bones / Powell / Mini logo 90 duro, and a few others in regular skateboard wheel shapes, without getting in to the 60+ size and them turning into monster truck sized wheels.

It all depends on what you have access to, as a lot of these have been sold out and out of production for a bit, but most are still out there if you look hard enough, or want to have them shipped.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on January 13, 2021, 05:00:25 PM
Yeah my bad, 87a keyframes are great for that. Rough parking lots and curbs. They can still slide a little bit, at least revert, and won’t get thrown like i have on 80hd chargers.
Loving my NFG 95a at the moment though. Perfect mixture to do it all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 13, 2021, 06:14:13 PM
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The "bought em to test em" explanation feels kinda stupid. You gave them money, they gonna keep doing that. Everybody always ends up using that excuse, but what if the wheels/trucks/bearings were any good? Or even decent? You all would totally buy them again and be taking more money away from skateboarding.

My money used to be tight, but i would rather skate 30mm flatspotted Spitfires than order some cheap trash from ebay.
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Some skate shops, yes SKATE SHOPS in Asia and other places are actually buying in those fakes too, which is a really sad day for skateboarding in general.

There are a lot of people, be it kids, or parents buying for their kids, or who knows what, but a lot of people shopping from their home and ebay is a very easy source of product, so they have no idea it is fake.

Even looking at ebay feedback for the few sellers I have marked as "every product they sell is 100% fake" they are still getting mainly if not all positive reviews, with just one or two getting negative feedback when someone really knows what is going on.  One guy I messaged asking about the product even tried to tell me it was legit, claiming where it was from and I was getting a bargain, as the wheels were slightly cheaper than the regular RRP, but when I pointed out with pics the clear differences and exactly what his wheels were, I got no more replies back and the guy is still selling more of his fake stuff on ebay.com.au and getting away with it.



Power to you if that's how you want to spend your money. I bought them to test the out and do a post on my social media telling others how to spot the fakes from legit wheels. I rode them afterwards so I can give an honest assessment on them; they are incredibly sticky and have a weird bounce despite being 101a rated.

I'd rather part with my $25 and be the guinea pig for these shit wheels and get the word out, than someone spending $40 buying these at full price while being told a bold face lie by the seller.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rumstove on January 13, 2021, 07:22:53 PM

I found that around 90 duro was the perfect mix of compound for wheels for all terrain, as you can still just cess slide a bit if you need to but everything else is very smooth sailing over almost anything on the ground without feeling the sucking of speed out of smaller lower duro wheels, especially when you turn or carve sharply.

Things a few points on either side of that still work fine too, eg Keyframes in 87a, or my old Spitfire soft-d 92 wheels, but others like Ricta clouds (chrome is just the new cool look like rims on your car), Bones / Powell / Mini logo 90 duro, and a few others in regular skateboard wheel shapes, without getting in to the 60+ size and them turning into monster truck sized wheels.

It all depends on what you have access to, as a lot of these have been sold out and out of production for a bit, but most are still out there if you look hard enough, or want to have them shipped.

Thanks for reply! Locally there's nothing available but I have been able to find all the different wheels I'm looking at in stock online. Yeah 55-56mm and 78-90a seems to be the window I'm looking at. Went into this thinking 78a or bust, but with comments in this thread now 86/87a doesn't sound too bad at all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rumstove on January 13, 2021, 07:25:11 PM
Yeah my bad, 87a keyframes are great for that. Rough parking lots and curbs. They can still slide a little bit, at least revert, and won’t get thrown like i have on 80hd chargers.
Loving my NFG 95a at the moment though. Perfect mixture to do it all.

Awesome. Thanks. I hadn't given much thought to the keyframes until they were mentioned here a few times. They're looking pretty good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CBP on January 14, 2021, 10:54:40 PM
Been skating 60mm spitfire f4 classics for the last couple months, skating street mostly.

If you ride 56mm the adjustment period is pretty minimal. They look insane on smaller boards and roll over crust like a conical full.

Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on January 15, 2021, 01:14:47 AM
Been skating 60mm spitfire f4 classics for the last couple months, skating street mostly.

If you ride 56mm the adjustment period is pretty minimal. They look insane on smaller boards and roll over crust like a conical full.

Highly recommended.
I will admit that i've had trouble with some fliptricks since changing to 60mm from 56mm. I think it has more to do with using risers than wheels itself, what trucks are you riding and do you run any risers?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on January 15, 2021, 01:38:02 AM
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The "bought em to test em" explanation feels kinda stupid. You gave them money, they gonna keep doing that. Everybody always ends up using that excuse, but what if the wheels/trucks/bearings were any good? Or even decent? You all would totally buy them again and be taking more money away from skateboarding.

My money used to be tight, but i would rather skate 30mm flatspotted Spitfires than order some cheap trash from ebay.
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Some skate shops, yes SKATE SHOPS in Asia and other places are actually buying in those fakes too, which is a really sad day for skateboarding in general.

There are a lot of people, be it kids, or parents buying for their kids, or who knows what, but a lot of people shopping from their home and ebay is a very easy source of product, so they have no idea it is fake.

Even looking at ebay feedback for the few sellers I have marked as "every product they sell is 100% fake" they are still getting mainly if not all positive reviews, with just one or two getting negative feedback when someone really knows what is going on.  One guy I messaged asking about the product even tried to tell me it was legit, claiming where it was from and I was getting a bargain, as the wheels were slightly cheaper than the regular RRP, but when I pointed out with pics the clear differences and exactly what his wheels were, I got no more replies back and the guy is still selling more of his fake stuff on ebay.com.au and getting away with it.

Can you pass on a link? I've reported sellers with fake Bones bearings before. I doubt much happens but I try get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on January 15, 2021, 04:54:29 AM
Ok so regarding the ebay/mercari fake bones... There's a few things ive noticed that are a dead giveaway.

First off if they claim they're "open box" or "used for display" then thats a huge red flag, especially if they have dozens of them in every flavor. Has anyone ever seen a bones display with open boxes in a legit skate shop? Me neither. Whats more likely is the factory wasn't able to replicate the skate rated sticker so they just unwrapped them.

Second one is a lot of the time they'll also be selling  "sovereign speed" or "Supreme" bearings, i assume because they come from the same factory. I have a feeling that a lot of these sellers are part of a network that deals almost exclusively in counterfeit chinese goods. Im sure they're paying pennies on the dollar for them so I'd imagine its very lucrative. I've noticed that when they start to get too many negative reviews or feedback they delete the account and a new one pops up with obviously faked feedback.

So basically, if you're trying to get a deal on bones then your best bet is to wait for a good hardgoods discount code from a reputable shop like SPOT or socal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 15, 2021, 06:35:03 AM
Seems like the open box ones are just the ones people returned because they realized they're fake lol.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 15, 2021, 11:40:29 AM
anyone ride Darkroom wheels yet?

I usually don't ride 99a, but they don't make an 83b and I want to try some new shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fooj on January 15, 2021, 03:32:46 PM
Whenever I see the display from Uprise I can't help but think I want to try some of those wheels.  They do such a good job, with detailed pics and showing all angles which is a lot more than most places do.

This time Dialtone wheels, which look like a few others that have been on here and there and I know absolutely nothing about them, but it is cool to see.


I also notice this, so much better pics than other sights. Even though I live in LA I try to buy from them if my local is out.  Those granite pieces and clean background make all the difference
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 15, 2021, 04:38:38 PM
Ok so regarding the ebay/mercari fake bones... There's a few things ive noticed that are a dead giveaway.

First off if they claim they're "open box" or "used for display" then thats a huge red flag, especially if they have dozens of them in every flavor. Has anyone ever seen a bones display with open boxes in a legit skate shop? Me neither. Whats more likely is the factory wasn't able to replicate the skate rated sticker so they just unwrapped them.

Second one is a lot of the time they'll also be selling  "sovereign speed" or "Supreme" bearings, i assume because they come from the same factory. I have a feeling that a lot of these sellers are part of a network that deals almost exclusively in counterfeit chinese goods. Im sure they're paying pennies on the dollar for them so I'd imagine its very lucrative. I've noticed that when they start to get too many negative reviews or feedback they delete the account and a new one pops up with obviously faked feedback.

So basically, if you're trying to get a deal on bones then your best bet is to wait for a good hardgoods discount code from a reputable shop like SPOT or socal.

Seems like the open box ones are just the ones people returned because they realized they're fake lol.


Even the most precise of "Skate rated" stickers seems to have been copied now, with a set I saw.


On another thought, I noticed TGM is a shop I have seen with a few sets of Bones Swiss bearings opened or lightly used, which I thought was a bit weird, but I guess anything like that has been easily moved in house to friends or even put on my own boards.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BLEM-BONES-SWISS-Skateboard-Bearings-8-Pack-8mm-Precision-Competition-Size-608-/373117277057?hash=item56df85d381
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 15, 2021, 04:39:59 PM

Can you pass on a link? I've reported sellers with fake Bones bearings before. I doubt much happens but I try get the ball rolling.

I always report them when I see them, as that is the skate shop guy in me, but so far it seems that none have been taken down.

What I have done is passed the seller id or listing info on to relevant persons in the industry, as they might have more luck.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CBP on January 16, 2021, 02:07:25 AM
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Been skating 60mm spitfire f4 classics for the last couple months, skating street mostly.

If you ride 56mm the adjustment period is pretty minimal. They look insane on smaller boards and roll over crust like a conical full.

Highly recommended.
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I will admit that i've had trouble with some fliptricks since changing to 60mm from 56mm. I think it has more to do with using risers than wheels itself, what trucks are you riding and do you run any risers?

Skating Ace 55s with Indy risers on 8.5
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on January 16, 2021, 04:18:56 AM
Just to out this out there in case anyone thinks about buying these : my friend got two harsh flat spots the third day he skated these wheels
OJ hard lines
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/54mm-from-concentrate-hardline-101a-oj-skateboard-wheels-8196935?utm_source=ojwheels.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=54mm%20From%20Concentrate%20Hardline%20101a%20
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 16, 2021, 06:07:59 AM
Any wheels can and will flatspot, even in the first minute of use if you slip out or slide to a stop, yes even Bones or Spitfire Formula Four (seen it and done it), but I know some wheels will flatspot much more easily than others and it would seem OJs are pretty high on that list.

I do like the joy of wearing out flatspots in Formula Four wheels doing powerslides down my long mellow road though, cause it is rather satisfying to have wheels that have been deemed no longer useful and wear them down a mm or two and have them good for smooth surfaces again.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on January 16, 2021, 06:48:00 AM
i totally agree. i managed to flatspot a few f4s by now but the cool thing is exactly what you describe, you can powerslide them flatspots out nicely usually. with a lot of wheels it's like there's no turning back once you put a flatty in them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 16, 2021, 09:05:22 AM
Also agree. Pre-F4 I was on SPF/ STF and if you flat spotted an SPF good luck getting that shit out. Any F4 I flat spotted was pretty small and was gone after a few hill bombs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Rem377 on January 17, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
Just to out this out there in case anyone thinks about buying these : my friend got two harsh flat spots the third day he skated these wheels
OJ hard lines
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/54mm-from-concentrate-hardline-101a-oj-skateboard-wheels-8196935?utm_source=ojwheels.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=54mm%20From%20Concentrate%20Hardline%20101a%20

I picked these up a few months ago and got a flat spot within two weeks. I was hoping it would wear off after a while, but it's so annoying that I'm throwing in the towel on them. Can't decide whether to continue searching for a Spitfire alternative (debating some Bones STF V5 99s or NFG Vee Cut) or go back to F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on January 17, 2021, 11:04:46 AM
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Just to out this out there in case anyone thinks about buying these : my friend got two harsh flat spots the third day he skated these wheels
OJ hard lines
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/54mm-from-concentrate-hardline-101a-oj-skateboard-wheels-8196935?utm_source=ojwheels.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=54mm%20From%20Concentrate%20Hardline%20101a%20
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I picked these up a few months ago and got a flat spot within two weeks. I was hoping it would wear off after a while, but it's so annoying that I'm throwing in the towel on them. Can't decide whether to continue searching for a Spitfire alternative (debating some Bones STF V5 99s or NFG Vee Cut) or go back to F4.
oooo not a good look for those OJ’s. I would say loophole/NFG - I have the 95a vee cut and like em a lot for crust
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on January 17, 2021, 11:23:25 AM
Yeah OJs are no go for me also. Flatspotted those wide ones in a few weeks and didn't never like how they slided compared to f4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Eric Dolphy on January 17, 2021, 02:30:25 PM
Even though I am a Spitfire guy (obviously), I do enjoy trying out other wheels from time to time. I found some Bones SPF 55's for $10 at a sale, so I figured I would try them out. Surprisingly, I had a set of Zero wheels a few years ago, and they were actually somewhat good. Most of the wheels made by board companies are pretty bad, but I liked the Zero wheels more than Bones STF's.
mods, please change username to "Spitfire4sometimes"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RichardBarkley on January 17, 2021, 03:00:16 PM
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Even though I am a Spitfire guy (obviously), I do enjoy trying out other wheels from time to time. I found some Bones SPF 55's for $10 at a sale, so I figured I would try them out. Surprisingly, I had a set of Zero wheels a few years ago, and they were actually somewhat good. Most of the wheels made by board companies are pretty bad, but I liked the Zero wheels more than Bones STF's.
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mods, please change username to "Spitfire4sometimes"

Lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 18, 2021, 08:36:13 AM
I’m lucky enough to buy from some of the best shops in the country, so I don’t need to worry about fakery.

On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people? I was skating at my personal best, quite awhile ago, and had this experience where I met up with some folks that were outside my ability level. They were bombing hills, skitching back up, lots of grinds on Unwaxed shit, you know, ruling. I was waaaay back on a 775, lo’s etc. couldn’t handle the terrain outside of the skatepark. I’ve chased bigger setups since, hasn’t really helped.

TL;dr

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?

I skated very shitty spots on 51mm F4s for a while. The tablets do better, or if you can do 52s the conical fulls perform really well. Width and euro matter more to me, though when you go smaller they wear out much sooner.

I was skating some 56s for a couple of months. They were cool and rolling over stuff was great, but I put on some 52s the other day and they skate better and I haven't eaten it yet.

Also, to save me a PM, I am sending your trucks tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on January 18, 2021, 08:42:56 AM
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I’m lucky enough to buy from some of the best shops in the country, so I don’t need to worry about fakery.

On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people? I was skating at my personal best, quite awhile ago, and had this experience where I met up with some folks that were outside my ability level. They were bombing hills, skitching back up, lots of grinds on Unwaxed shit, you know, ruling. I was waaaay back on a 775, lo’s etc. couldn’t handle the terrain outside of the skatepark. I’ve chased bigger setups since, hasn’t really helped.

TL;dr

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?
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I skated very shitty spots on 51mm F4s for a while. The tablets do better, or if you can do 52s the conical fulls perform really well. Width and euro matter more to me, though when you go smaller they wear out much sooner.

I was skating some 56s for a couple of months. They were cool and rolling over stuff was great, but I put on some 52s the other day and they skate better and I haven't eaten it yet.

Also, to save me a PM, I am sending your trucks tomorrow.

Something about the classic shape feels ‘right’. My dumb comment about conical fulls is that they seem to get bigger. I need to go speed check some hills for awhile, also because fun. I always trip out on watching Puleo footage where he’s crushing cutty looking spots on 50s with lo’s.
Notice any pop reduction with the smaller wheels and ace?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 18, 2021, 08:48:39 AM
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I’m lucky enough to buy from some of the best shops in the country, so I don’t need to worry about fakery.

On the topic of wheels: I skate ‘better’ on 50-52, live in a crusty zone. At what point in escalating wheel size do more spots become available to people? I was skating at my personal best, quite awhile ago, and had this experience where I met up with some folks that were outside my ability level. They were bombing hills, skitching back up, lots of grinds on Unwaxed shit, you know, ruling. I was waaaay back on a 775, lo’s etc. couldn’t handle the terrain outside of the skatepark. I’ve chased bigger setups since, hasn’t really helped.

TL;dr

How big your wheels need to be to skate most places?
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I skated very shitty spots on 51mm F4s for a while. The tablets do better, or if you can do 52s the conical fulls perform really well. Width and euro matter more to me, though when you go smaller they wear out much sooner.

I was skating some 56s for a couple of months. They were cool and rolling over stuff was great, but I put on some 52s the other day and they skate better and I haven't eaten it yet.

Also, to save me a PM, I am sending your trucks tomorrow.
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Something about the classic shape feels ‘right’. My dumb comment about conical fulls is that they seem to get bigger. I need to go speed check some hills for awhile, also because fun. I always trip out on watching Puleo footage where he’s crushing cutty looking spots on 50s with lo’s.
Notice any pop reduction with the smaller wheels and ace?

Honestly my pop got better because it was on a steep-ass Hockey. Less ghostly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: johnes on January 19, 2021, 04:34:10 AM
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Just to out this out there in case anyone thinks about buying these : my friend got two harsh flat spots the third day he skated these wheels
OJ hard lines
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/54mm-from-concentrate-hardline-101a-oj-skateboard-wheels-8196935?utm_source=ojwheels.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=product-shop&utm_content=54mm%20From%20Concentrate%20Hardline%20101a%20
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I picked these up a few months ago and got a flat spot within two weeks. I was hoping it would wear off after a while, but it's so annoying that I'm throwing in the towel on them. Can't decide whether to continue searching for a Spitfire alternative (debating some Bones STF V5 99s or NFG Vee Cut) or go back to F4.
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oooo not a good look for those OJ’s. I would say loophole/NFG - I have the 95a vee cut and like em a lot for crust
I love my bones stf 99s. I do a lot of back 180s where I slide the wheels and I haven’t got any flat spots in the last month. My friend was learning back 180s when he flat spotted his OJs and it was after like his 5th attempt trying to do one over a hip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on January 19, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
I’m on 99a F4 classics. Really enjoying the 99a coming off 101 radials. Been skating more and more street and crust. My local gas 95a OJ nomads and 99a F4 tablets. They both are the tablet shape I want to try. F4 I trust. But 95a is tempting. Has anyone had both ? Thoughts?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on January 19, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
I've been skating NFGs pretty much exclusively for a year or two now. The urethane is just as good as your spitfires or bones, if not better, without all their gimmicks. From what I've heard, the dude running the company did chemistry for a while at spitfire, and from the way the wheels feel I can tell he definitely knows his shit. It's also rad to know that I'm skating wheels made by bay area skate rats like me. Recently I've been skating the smoothie wheels they've been making, it's kinda neat skating a bigger bearing than typical skate bearings. Maybe it's a placebo but I feel like the larger diameter of the bearings add a bit more momentum; I'm riding 54s but they handle transition like a 56 or 58 would without the larger wheel size. It's worth checking them out if you feel like switching things up for a change, I think this is the first time skate bearing technology has changed since they stopped using loose ball bearings in the '70s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dipped on January 20, 2021, 12:43:04 AM
Has anyone tried the satori conical shape? I would like to know how they compare to the f4 99a conicals. I used to really enjoy skating satoris back in the day so i‘m really tempted to get some new ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Chevy Beretta on January 20, 2021, 01:28:38 AM
Has anyone tried the satori conical shape? I would like to know how they compare to the f4 99a conicals. I used to really enjoy skating satoris back in the day so i‘m really tempted to get some new ones.
They don't compare to f4s. They're just regular ass creative, I think, wheels. I know they're poured in the US, so I'm just assuming creative. I think they're fine though, but I'm not super picky about wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 20, 2021, 06:52:11 AM
I’m on 99a F4 classics. Really enjoying the 99a coming off 101 radials. Been skating more and more street and crust. My local has 95a OJ nomads and 99a F4 tablets. They both are the tablet shape I want to try. F4 I trust. But 95a is tempting. Has anyone had both ? Thoughts?

I would be curious to hear if any of the local shop guys have actually skated the 95s (or what they ride themselves, as that will usually sway their recommendations), because lots of people who have skated them say they are great, but they are 95 duro and my older Spitfire 95 duro wheels are perfect for skating slippery parks I don't want to slip out on, or make rough riding a lot smoother, but I definitely feel they are slower overall.  Note different brands, so different formulas, etc.

You know what Formula Four is like, just a slightly different shape of wheel, and when new they might feel a tiny bit different to when you have them nicely old and worn in, but once classics wear down, they end up much more squared off and perfect for how I like them, so tablets might be a bit more of that right from go, especially the medium to bigger tablets.

Hope that helps a bit anyway.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2021, 08:02:20 AM
I've been skating NFGs pretty much exclusively for a year or two now. The urethane is just as good as your spitfires or bones, if not better, without all their gimmicks. From what I've heard, the dude running the company did chemistry for a while at spitfire, and from the way the wheels feel I can tell he definitely knows his shit. It's also rad to know that I'm skating wheels made by bay area skate rats like me. Recently I've been skating the smoothie wheels they've been making, it's kinda neat skating a bigger bearing than typical skate bearings. Maybe it's a placebo but I feel like the larger diameter of the bearings add a bit more momentum; I'm riding 54s but they handle transition like a 56 or 58 would without the larger wheel size. It's worth checking them out if you feel like switching things up for a change, I think this is the first time skate bearing technology has changed since they stopped using loose ball bearings in the '70s.


Wait...what?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on January 20, 2021, 09:17:27 AM
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I've been skating NFGs pretty much exclusively for a year or two now. The urethane is just as good as your spitfires or bones, if not better, without all their gimmicks. From what I've heard, the dude running the company did chemistry for a while at spitfire, and from the way the wheels feel I can tell he definitely knows his shit. It's also rad to know that I'm skating wheels made by bay area skate rats like me. Recently I've been skating the smoothie wheels they've been making, it's kinda neat skating a bigger bearing than typical skate bearings. Maybe it's a placebo but I feel like the larger diameter of the bearings add a bit more momentum; I'm riding 54s but they handle transition like a 56 or 58 would without the larger wheel size. It's worth checking them out if you feel like switching things up for a change, I think this is the first time skate bearing technology has changed since they stopped using loose ball bearings in the '70s.
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Wait...what?

Have the same reaction as Dio
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 20, 2021, 10:29:04 AM
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I've been skating NFGs pretty much exclusively for a year or two now. The urethane is just as good as your spitfires or bones, if not better, without all their gimmicks. From what I've heard, the dude running the company did chemistry for a while at spitfire, and from the way the wheels feel I can tell he definitely knows his shit. It's also rad to know that I'm skating wheels made by bay area skate rats like me. Recently I've been skating the smoothie wheels they've been making, it's kinda neat skating a bigger bearing than typical skate bearings. Maybe it's a placebo but I feel like the larger diameter of the bearings add a bit more momentum; I'm riding 54s but they handle transition like a 56 or 58 would without the larger wheel size. It's worth checking them out if you feel like switching things up for a change, I think this is the first time skate bearing technology has changed since they stopped using loose ball bearings in the '70s.
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Wait...what?

I can’t find the website, but there is a wheel company that uses NFGMFG urethane that makes larger than normal bearings, and the NFG wheels are made specifically for those larger bearing sizes (not just larger balls in the bearing, but the bearings as a whole are actually larger afik).

I haven’t tried them but I’m intrigued. I think they are called Smoothie
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 20, 2021, 10:29:58 AM
Found the site. It looks like they also make normal sized bearings too

https://sm00thie.com/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on January 20, 2021, 10:58:26 AM
Interesing, I'd probably get these if they had the 95a formula. I can't do hard wheels anymore, need a big 95-97a wheel 56-60mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on January 20, 2021, 11:50:44 AM
I received 2 sets of SF F4 OG Classics that wobble like crazy. No matter what I do the bearings just will not sit in the wheels properly. Brought them to a shop to see if they could get it straight. They could not. I even got myself a bearing press. Madness.

I think my F4 OG Classics are just flawed/malformed.

I swapped in some NFG Vee wheels and couldn’t be happier with them. No issues. Great wheels.

Hopefully NFG restocks the 95a Vee’s. I really want to try some in 56-60mm. Maybe Loophole will get some 95a’s in their lineup too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 20, 2021, 12:36:02 PM
I received 2 sets of SF F4 OG Classics that wobble like crazy. No matter what I do the bearings just will not sit in the wheels properly. Brought them to a shop to see if they could get it straight. They could not. I even got myself a bearing press. Madness.

I think my F4 OG Classics are just flawed/malformed.


Contact customer support https://www.spitfirewheels.com/guaranteed/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on January 20, 2021, 02:07:59 PM
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I received 2 sets of SF F4 OG Classics that wobble like crazy. No matter what I do the bearings just will not sit in the wheels properly. Brought them to a shop to see if they could get it straight. They could not. I even got myself a bearing press. Madness.

I think my F4 OG Classics are just flawed/malformed.

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Contact customer support https://www.spitfirewheels.com/guaranteed/

Thank you.

I contacted dlx regarding the 55mm set about 4 weeks ago.

The customer service was very helpful and after seeing some photos and videos of the wheels they agreed to send some replacements. Still waiting on those to be shipped.

In the time since then I received the second set of same wheels in 52mm as a gift.
Unfortunately they have the same issues.

Since the second set was a gift I am unsure whether or not I should contact dlx a second time about the same issue. I’m not even sure when or from where they were purchased. They were a Christmas gift that was stuck in the mail for weeks.

Maybe I will contact dlx about those too. 

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on January 20, 2021, 03:13:01 PM
That's a bummer to hear about the bearing seat on OG Classics isn't holding well.

I really like the idea of those wheels by their dimensions and have had em in my 'cart' on a couple sites for awhile.

Also, I sent an email to Jeremy re: the dimensions on the 46mm HookUps wheels he's sellin' (& a shipping question), but he never got back to me. :(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 20, 2021, 04:34:43 PM


Sounds unfortunate, but if they are faulty, get them sorted.  That's all there is to it. Christmas presents usually have someone who gave it to you, somewhere they bought them, some sort of warranty process, but failing that as you have done, they were gifted to you and without receipt, let DLX know and they should be able to sort them out.

Weird how things like this happen, but unless you want some nice wheels you have sitting on a shelf, you need to get moving on that and make sure you get them sorted sooner rather than later.

Not trying to be a pushy know it all, but they will not do anything if they do not know about them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on January 20, 2021, 05:41:18 PM
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Weird how things like this happen, but unless you want some nice wheels you have sitting on a shelf, you need to get moving on that and make sure you get them sorted sooner rather than later.

Not trying to be a pushy know it all, but they will not do anything if they do not know about them.

Yeah, you’re totally right. Thanks

And you did not come off like a pushy know it all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on January 21, 2021, 03:29:27 PM
I'm curious about how the Bones V3 99a feel in comparison to F4 99a Classics.

Can anyone who has ridden both formulas compare how they feel? I've never ridden Bones wheels before.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheLowerBack on January 21, 2021, 03:52:21 PM
Found the site. It looks like they also make normal sized bearings too

https://sm00thie.com/
Super interesting. Not sure if it’s worth the price tag just to try something new.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2021, 04:27:37 PM
anyone got any big spitfires (originally 56-60mm) that are worn down to 53 or lower that they are willing to sell? cant wear them down myself due to truck height
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 21, 2021, 04:43:46 PM
I'm curious about how the Bones V3 99a feel in comparison to F4 99a Classics.

Can anyone who has ridden both formulas compare how they feel? I've never ridden Bones wheels before.

I haven’t ridden those shapes, but I’ve skated both formulas. When the 99a bones easy streets came out, the white ones slid almost as well as F4 99a and felt a hair softer, also seemed a little slower. Those were white colored urethane. After those, I tried a couple sets of the natural colored urethane and those felt significantly grippier, a little harder, and seemed faster though not as much as F4.

Ultimately, the newer Easy street 99a don’t do anything as well as F4 imo and when I want to ride something a little grippier I prefer NFGMFG/Loopholes. Those grip a little more but still slide well enough and the urethane, though harder than 99a feel nicer on streets with a little crust than Easy streets.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on January 21, 2021, 05:09:07 PM

I haven’t ridden those shapes, but I’ve skated both formulas. When the 99a bones easy streets came out, the white ones slid almost as well as F4 99a and felt a hair softer, also seemed a little slower. Those were white colored urethane. After those, I tried a couple sets of the natural colored urethane and those felt significantly grippier, a little harder, and seemed faster though not as much as F4.

Ultimately, the newer Easy street 99a don’t do anything as well as F4 imo and when I want to ride something a little grippier I prefer NFGMFG/Loopholes. Those grip a little more but still slide well enough and the urethane, though harder than 99a feel nicer on streets with a little crust than Easy streets.

Man, really appreciate this response. All the info I needed, including white v. natural. Thanks man.

The skinnier width of the V3s really appeals to me, but it sounds like I'm better off with the F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 21, 2021, 05:25:49 PM
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I haven’t ridden those shapes, but I’ve skated both formulas. When the 99a bones easy streets came out, the white ones slid almost as well as F4 99a and felt a hair softer, also seemed a little slower. Those were white colored urethane. After those, I tried a couple sets of the natural colored urethane and those felt significantly grippier, a little harder, and seemed faster though not as much as F4.

Ultimately, the newer Easy street 99a don’t do anything as well as F4 imo and when I want to ride something a little grippier I prefer NFGMFG/Loopholes. Those grip a little more but still slide well enough and the urethane, though harder than 99a feel nicer on streets with a little crust than Easy streets.
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Man, really appreciate this response. All the info I needed, including white v. natural. Thanks man.

The skinnier width of the V3s really appeals to me, but it sounds like I'm better off with the F4s.

No problem, glad to help!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 21, 2021, 06:22:13 PM
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I haven’t ridden those shapes, but I’ve skated both formulas. When the 99a bones easy streets came out, the white ones slid almost as well as F4 99a and felt a hair softer, also seemed a little slower. Those were white colored urethane. After those, I tried a couple sets of the natural colored urethane and those felt significantly grippier, a little harder, and seemed faster though not as much as F4.

Ultimately, the newer Easy street 99a don’t do anything as well as F4 imo and when I want to ride something a little grippier I prefer NFGMFG/Loopholes. Those grip a little more but still slide well enough and the urethane, though harder than 99a feel nicer on streets with a little crust than Easy streets.
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Man, really appreciate this response. All the info I needed, including white v. natural. Thanks man.

The skinnier width of the V3s really appeals to me, but it sounds like I'm better off with the F4s.

I would say YES to that too, Spitfire F4 over Bones, but it is a close race and depends more on brand preference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 21, 2021, 06:27:55 PM
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Found the site. It looks like they also make normal sized bearings too

https://sm00thie.com/
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Super interesting. Not sure if it’s worth the price tag just to try something new.

The most frustrating thing with "something different" to standard specifications is availability.

I have seen people caught out before with different spec product, eg micro bearings, so when they stopped making them, then you are limited in what you can do with that product.

Nice to try something new, but if for whatever reason that company closes tomorrow, you are stuck with product that has a very limited life and no way to replace parts when needed.

Some people might argue that it is faster, smoother, the company is stable, not about to go bust or whatever, but the unfortunate thing is when the time comes, no one else is going to make that product, so I would rather be happy riding something I know I can replace easily at any time with anything from almost any brand / shop if or when needed.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 21, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
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I haven’t ridden those shapes, but I’ve skated both formulas. When the 99a bones easy streets came out, the white ones slid almost as well as F4 99a and felt a hair softer, also seemed a little slower. Those were white colored urethane. After those, I tried a couple sets of the natural colored urethane and those felt significantly grippier, a little harder, and seemed faster though not as much as F4.

Ultimately, the newer Easy street 99a don’t do anything as well as F4 imo and when I want to ride something a little grippier I prefer NFGMFG/Loopholes. Those grip a little more but still slide well enough and the urethane, though harder than 99a feel nicer on streets with a little crust than Easy streets.
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Man, really appreciate this response. All the info I needed, including white v. natural. Thanks man.

The skinnier width of the V3s really appeals to me, but it sounds like I'm better off with the F4s.
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No problem, glad to help!

Bones STF / Easy Streets are good, but Spitfires are just better.

V3s are ok for parks but unforgiving for crusty road.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 22, 2021, 05:27:32 PM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1449/5224/products/FA20OrbsGhostlitesWEBPhotos_1800x1800.jpg?v=1609870751)

https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/orbs-ghost-lites-52mm-white-black

White = 52mm
Pink = 54mm
Blue = 56mm

Why reintroduce a concept that's already been proven to fail? More importantly, which one of you guys are going to try this out? Cause $44 is not cheap for a factually failed concept
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shitsandwich on January 23, 2021, 03:19:33 PM
I've ridden bones stf for many years but I've been looking for blue wheels for forever. Finally got some pig ones, never had pig so hopefully they aren't so bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2021, 07:53:05 PM

https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/orbs-ghost-lites-52mm-white-black

White = 52mm
Pink = 54mm
Blue = 56mm

Why reintroduce a concept that's already been proven to fail? More importantly, which one of you guys are going to try this out? Cause $44 is not cheap for a factually failed concept

It's a funny thing isn't it.  I still have a few sets of used Spitfire firelights and never would skate them, or any other cored wheel again, but that is just me.

Some people like different things and gimmicks always sell well to a select few, so most likely will be cool for a minute for someone.

There is always someone trying to make something that they think might sell well, in the same way there will always be someone ready to fund business ventures that had been deemed unsuccessful in the past, but it is their money and their time, so whatever really.

They are not something I would ever sell or recommend in my shop, but with the shortages of wheels and other top level product, lots more lower level brands are getting a lot more than a foot in that door right now too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 23, 2021, 08:25:27 PM
Other than cores popping out, is there something I’m missing with the welcome orbs wheel design?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2021, 08:34:47 PM
Other than cores popping out, is there something I’m missing with the welcome orbs wheel design?

I think that was the biggest issue when those sort of wheels were around previously.

Some had a better bond between the urethane and the core, but for the most part, they will all come away sooner or later.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on January 23, 2021, 10:44:37 PM
I remember always fighting to get bearings in and out with those cored wheels

They should be fucking illegal
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CaderSk8r on January 24, 2021, 07:31:46 PM
Anyone try the boardycake princess cut wheels? Debating on trying those or just getting a set of spitfire tablets.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 25, 2021, 06:25:49 AM
Anyone try the boardycake princess cut wheels? Debating on trying those or just getting a set of spitfire tablets.

I had a set, tried a friend's pair, and then decided to sell. You're better off getting some 50 or 51 tablets...Just a better slide and better on rough terrain for that size. They're not bad at all, just not F4 good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CaderSk8r on January 25, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
sick ill look for some 51 tablets then, will be going on 5.0los so hope they arnt too big
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 25, 2021, 10:21:40 AM
sick ill look for some 51 tablets then, will be going on 5.0los so hope they arnt too big

https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-4-99d-lil-smokies-tablet-wheels-50mm-175-5955649568931/ (https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-4-99d-lil-smokies-tablet-wheels-50mm-175-5955649568931/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on January 25, 2021, 10:45:31 AM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1449/5224/products/FA20OrbsGhostlitesWEBPhotos_1800x1800.jpg?v=1609870751)

https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/orbs-ghost-lites-52mm-white-black

White = 52mm
Pink = 54mm
Blue = 56mm

Why reintroduce a concept that's already been proven to fail? More importantly, which one of you guys are going to try this out? Cause $44 is not cheap for a factually failed concept

Any time I remember one of my friends getting those wheels with spokes when they were popular in the mid 2000s they would always break within a month or two. Is there any functional benefit to cored wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on January 25, 2021, 03:04:17 PM
I just set up a cruiser with some 87a OJ Keyframes, and I'm not sure how much I like them

The roll and speed are great, but as soon as I get out in the streets I find myself wanting to rip some slappies, and unfortunately the stickiness of the Keyframes makes it much less consistent than I would like

I searched the thread and read previous comments, but there are a few things I'd like to follow up on:

Does the stickiness wear away after you break them in at all?

Do other people get their Keyframes to slide and slappy?

Should I try a slightly harder wheel? Seems like there aren't that many options currently available in the 90a-92a range, but some people like the 92a Ricta Clouds. I see 95a OJ Nomads for sale in a couple places as well.

For background, I normally ride 99a f4s in various sizes and shapes, and I'm looking for something just a little easier on my knees for those lazy/stiff days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 25, 2021, 04:04:29 PM

Any time I remember one of my friends getting those wheels with spokes when they were popular in the mid 2000s they would always break within a month or two. Is there any functional benefit to cored wheels?

Spitfire had Firelights, the main thing being they were light, so weight factor was the selling point.

Never noticed the weight difference at all (minimal really) but they look nice for a kid, so sold well to the young cool kids, who I guess were all too young to have cool rims on their cars.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nicki on January 25, 2021, 08:00:41 PM
I just set up a cruiser with some 87a OJ Keyframes, and I'm not sure how much I like them

The roll and speed are great, but as soon as I get out in the streets I find myself wanting to rip some slappies, and unfortunately the stickiness of the Keyframes makes it much less consistent than I would like

I searched the thread and read previous comments, but there are a few things I'd like to follow up on:

Does the stickiness wear away after you break them in at all?

Do other people get their Keyframes to slide and slappy?

Should I try a slightly harder wheel? Seems like there aren't that many options currently available in the 90a-92a range, but some people like the 92a Ricta Clouds. I see 95a OJ Nomads for sale in a couple places as well.

For background, I normally ride 99a f4s in various sizes and shapes, and I'm looking for something just a little easier on my knees for those lazy/stiff days.

Unfortunately, my experience is they’ll stay sticky but also slow down considerably. What size are the keyframes? For cruiser, I skate Powell G-Slides, they’re 85a but not as sticky, feel harder, not bouncy and down lose their speed as much with age - just better quality urethane than OJ etc I guess. I skated the 54s and that was fun changeup to give my knees a break, but didn’t lose all feel like some cruisers. Works for me. I always go back to spitfire 101a for my street setup, but in my experience, spitfire/oj/ricta etc just don’t make a good quality lasting cruiser wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 29, 2021, 05:40:29 PM
Never seen these wheels before...

Roadcrew wheels, from at least 2015.

https://roadcrewwheels.com/

Anyone had them or have any other info on them?


Seems like they are aligned with Scram Skates - big wide wheels for crazy big board dudes, etc.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B-ALt6iFmsa/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKpUTVBDvaD/

https://www.instagram.com/p/_LDz5hkbG2/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: z_tx on January 30, 2021, 05:17:18 PM
are bones SPF 84b too hard for smooth park concrete bowl?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on January 30, 2021, 05:26:57 PM
are bones SPF 84b too hard for smooth park concrete bowl?

That's like, what they were designed for and where they excel.

Everywhere else they feel too hard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 30, 2021, 05:31:14 PM
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are bones SPF 84b too hard for smooth park concrete bowl?
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That's like, what they were designed for and where they excel.

Everywhere else they feel too hard.

That's the only thing they are good for. I loved them in a big smooth bowl but other than that- forget it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 30, 2021, 05:38:56 PM
are bones SPF 84b too hard for smooth park concrete bowl?

SPF 84b are spectacular in smooth bowls.  They are the fastest wheel I have used, and still have good enough grip.  I have a set with ceramic bearings that I run on my pool board 9 months of the year.

I use them nowhere else.  Because outside of the bowl they suck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on February 01, 2021, 11:20:47 AM
Never seen these wheels before...

Roadcrew wheels, from at least 2015.

https://roadcrewwheels.com/

Anyone had them or have any other info on them?


Seems like they are aligned with Scram Skates - big wide wheels for crazy big board dudes, etc.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B-ALt6iFmsa/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKpUTVBDvaD/

https://www.instagram.com/p/_LDz5hkbG2/

I don't know the exact details but I heard those Road Crew wheels guys ripped off NFG for a shit ton of product. Also, unnecessary umlauts in logos are played out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on February 01, 2021, 12:07:23 PM
I've seen those wheels in person and they definitely weren't coming from NFG. Looked like another brand getting their wheels poured by Creative.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 01, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
Also, unnecessary umlauts in logos are played out

Motorhead references are never played out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9V5cRSOPg
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vinz on February 01, 2021, 12:19:58 PM
Which brand would you prefer? Wayward, Crupie, or sml?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 01, 2021, 05:17:33 PM
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Never seen these wheels before...

Roadcrew wheels, from at least 2015.

https://roadcrewwheels.com/

Anyone had them or have any other info on them?


Seems like they are aligned with Scram Skates - big wide wheels for crazy big board dudes, etc.


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I don't know the exact details but I heard those Road Crew wheels guys ripped off NFG for a shit ton of product. Also, unnecessary umlauts in logos are played out
I've seen those wheels in person and they definitely weren't coming from NFG. Looked like another brand getting their wheels poured by Creative.


Thanks for the replies!

I thought the look of them, as well as the similarity to Spitfire F4 - wheels and packaging - was a curious thing.

This quote comes to mind (had to look it up as I couldn't remember it correctly):

“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”- Oscar Wilde.

The earlier ones definitely look like NFG, but the most recent ones look more like the OJ or Slimeball new wheels, not that the look is anything to really go by.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B94d08tlNzg/


EDIT: Also as I am a bit rusty on my languages, aren't they only on A, O and U, not E - German Umlauts: Ä Ö and Ü


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on February 02, 2021, 01:43:08 AM


EDIT: Also as I am a bit rusty on my languages, aren't they only on A, O and U, not E - German Umlauts: Ä Ö and Ü

You don‘t get the ë in German, but you do get it in French, e.g. in Citroën, Noël (christmas) and such.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 02, 2021, 02:19:24 AM
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EDIT: Also as I am a bit rusty on my languages, aren't they only on A, O and U, not E - German Umlauts: Ä Ö and Ü
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You don‘t get the ë in German, but you do get it in French, e.g. in Citroën, Noël (christmas) and such.

That would be it, they are San Frenchiscans!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Paperclip20 on February 02, 2021, 04:49:30 AM
Which brand would you prefer? Wayward, Crupie, or sml?

Never tried wayward or crupie but I have had a positive experience with a set of sml wheels. It's hard to put the on the same level as F4's but I never got flatspots or any major issues with them. I also had the OG formula which is supposed to be similar to F4 compared to the AG which is more like spit classics I've heard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on February 02, 2021, 05:50:39 AM
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Never tried wayward or crupie but I have had a positive experience with a set of sml wheels. It's hard to put the on the same level as F4's but I never got flatspots or any major issues with them. I also had the OG formula which is supposed to be similar to F4 compared to the AG which is more like spit classics I've heard.

sml feels like a wheel others would like IMO, I've flatted 2 pairs of crupie.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vinz on February 02, 2021, 06:25:27 AM
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Never tried wayward or crupie but I have had a positive experience with a set of sml wheels. It's hard to put the on the same level as F4's but I never got flatspots or any major issues with them. I also had the OG formula which is supposed to be similar to F4 compared to the AG which is more like spit classics I've heard.
thank you kind sir!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on February 05, 2021, 08:57:41 AM
are dial tones good? ive been skating 99a f4s (usually 54mm conical fulls, had one pair of 58mm classics) exclusively for the last 5 or 6 years with one set of bones 100s in between, i skated them for like a month because i got them for free and i didnt have any money to spend on wheels, they were kinda ok but as soon as i switched back to f4s i was over them and im never going to buy them again. i wanted to get some loopholes but i would have to order them from the uk (i live in poland) and the shipping is like half the price of the wheels which are already kinda expensive. recently one of the distributions here in poland started carrying dial tones and they look sick so ive been wanting to try them out, the jahmal 99a conicals, especially because my shop sponsor gets their shit from that distro so i could buy them for 30% off. the only problem is that that same distribution also carries spitfire and they would cost exactly the same. are the dial tones worth it or should i stick to f4s? how do they compare? ive been also wanting to try out the new 97 classics and i cant make up my mind. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 05, 2021, 02:47:39 PM
are dial tones good? ive been skating 99a f4s (usually 54mm conical fulls, had one pair of 58mm classics) exclusively for the last 5 or 6 years with one set of bones 100s in between, i skated them for like a month because i got them for free and i didnt have any money to spend on wheels, they were kinda ok but as soon as i switched back to f4s i was over them and im never going to buy them again. i wanted to get some loopholes but i would have to order them from the uk (i live in poland) and the shipping is like half the price of the wheels which are already kinda expensive. recently one of the distributions here in poland started carrying dial tones and they look sick so ive been wanting to try them out, the jahmal 99a conicals, especially because my shop sponsor gets their shit from that distro so i could buy them for 30% off. the only problem is that that same distribution also carries spitfire and they would cost exactly the same. are the dial tones worth it or should i stick to f4s? how do they compare? ive been also wanting to try out the new 97 classics and i cant make up my mind.

For price comparison, Spitfire are the number one wheel for a reason, so if other wheels are the same price and Spitfire are in stock, I wouldn't be thinking twice about anything else, but that is just me.

For any one else, I think a few pages back I asked about them (instagram pic from Uprise) and people said they were good.  Seems "good" is not "great" though, so again it comes back to supply - if you can get whatever you want, it is your choice, but I think you might be a little less happy with any other wheel besides Spitfire.

If you go to the top of this thread and type "dial" first and have a look, then "dialtone" in the search, lots of other people have commented on them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MusclesMarinara on February 05, 2021, 08:40:41 PM
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are dial tones good? ive been skating 99a f4s (usually 54mm conical fulls, had one pair of 58mm classics) exclusively for the last 5 or 6 years with one set of bones 100s in between, i skated them for like a month because i got them for free and i didnt have any money to spend on wheels, they were kinda ok but as soon as i switched back to f4s i was over them and im never going to buy them again. i wanted to get some loopholes but i would have to order them from the uk (i live in poland) and the shipping is like half the price of the wheels which are already kinda expensive. recently one of the distributions here in poland started carrying dial tones and they look sick so ive been wanting to try them out, the jahmal 99a conicals, especially because my shop sponsor gets their shit from that distro so i could buy them for 30% off. the only problem is that that same distribution also carries spitfire and they would cost exactly the same. are the dial tones worth it or should i stick to f4s? how do they compare? ive been also wanting to try out the new 97 classics and i cant make up my mind.
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For price comparison, Spitfire are the number one wheel for a reason, so if other wheels are the same price and Spitfire are in stock, I wouldn't be thinking twice about anything else, but that is just me.

For any one else, I think a few pages back I asked about them (instagram pic from Uprise) and people said they were good.  Seems "good" is not "great" though, so again it comes back to supply - if you can get whatever you want, it is your choice, but I think you might be a little less happy with any other wheel besides Spitfire.

If you go to the top of this thread and type "dial" first and have a look, then "dialtone" in the search, lots of other people have commented on them.

I remember seeing a post from Mike Del Negro on insta possibly and seeing the most flatspotted wheels of my life. Will have to do some lurking and see if I can find it. Also I dm'ed Dial Tone before and whoever I talked with was one of the most unhelpful people on earth and couldn't answer basic questions about shape or duro. Literally could only say they were "good" and "what the real nor east pros use..." I just stick with tried and true SF classics and bigheads.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CaptainCheeks on February 07, 2021, 04:21:12 PM
Anybody know where I can score them oj boserio 60 mm wheels 97a or the 95 a oj combos in 60 mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 07, 2021, 07:58:31 PM
Anybody know where I can score them oj boserio 60 mm wheels 97a or the 95 a oj combos in 60 mm

They are lots of fun and I still have some of each of those, but unless you are in Australia, I think you might be out of luck - people have been searching high and low for those for a while and there are none out there since the wheel shortage started.

Santa Cruz Slimeballs are the same size and urethane, so between OJ Elites, OJ combos, the big wide wheels with limited runs were awesome in the last few years.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2021, 01:41:57 AM
Anybody know where I can score them oj boserio 60 mm wheels 97a or the 95 a oj combos in 60 mm

I just saw the Instagram OJs post, so they have new ones coming out too, (see second pic) so there should be some all over the place soon enough.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CK9bA78hq2x/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RichardBarkley on February 08, 2021, 01:48:29 AM
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are dial tones good? ive been skating 99a f4s (usually 54mm conical fulls, had one pair of 58mm classics) exclusively for the last 5 or 6 years with one set of bones 100s in between, i skated them for like a month because i got them for free and i didnt have any money to spend on wheels, they were kinda ok but as soon as i switched back to f4s i was over them and im never going to buy them again. i wanted to get some loopholes but i would have to order them from the uk (i live in poland) and the shipping is like half the price of the wheels which are already kinda expensive. recently one of the distributions here in poland started carrying dial tones and they look sick so ive been wanting to try them out, the jahmal 99a conicals, especially because my shop sponsor gets their shit from that distro so i could buy them for 30% off. the only problem is that that same distribution also carries spitfire and they would cost exactly the same. are the dial tones worth it or should i stick to f4s? how do they compare? ive been also wanting to try out the new 97 classics and i cant make up my mind.
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For price comparison, Spitfire are the number one wheel for a reason, so if other wheels are the same price and Spitfire are in stock, I wouldn't be thinking twice about anything else, but that is just me.

For any one else, I think a few pages back I asked about them (instagram pic from Uprise) and people said they were good.  Seems "good" is not "great" though, so again it comes back to supply - if you can get whatever you want, it is your choice, but I think you might be a little less happy with any other wheel besides Spitfire.

If you go to the top of this thread and type "dial" first and have a look, then "dialtone" in the search, lots of other people have commented on them.
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I remember seeing a post from Mike Del Negro on insta possibly and seeing the most flatspotted wheels of my life. Will have to do some lurking and see if I can find it. Also I dm'ed Dial Tone before and whoever I talked with was one of the most unhelpful people on earth and couldn't answer basic questions about shape or duro. Literally could only say they were "good" and "what the real nor east pros use..." I just stick with tried and true SF classics and bigheads.

Man gotta see screen shots of that convo

I love bad customer service. There is nothing funnier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: devourthehours on February 08, 2021, 12:06:19 PM
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are dial tones good? ive been skating 99a f4s (usually 54mm conical fulls, had one pair of 58mm classics) exclusively for the last 5 or 6 years with one set of bones 100s in between, i skated them for like a month because i got them for free and i didnt have any money to spend on wheels, they were kinda ok but as soon as i switched back to f4s i was over them and im never going to buy them again. i wanted to get some loopholes but i would have to order them from the uk (i live in poland) and the shipping is like half the price of the wheels which are already kinda expensive. recently one of the distributions here in poland started carrying dial tones and they look sick so ive been wanting to try them out, the jahmal 99a conicals, especially because my shop sponsor gets their shit from that distro so i could buy them for 30% off. the only problem is that that same distribution also carries spitfire and they would cost exactly the same. are the dial tones worth it or should i stick to f4s? how do they compare? ive been also wanting to try out the new 97 classics and i cant make up my mind.
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For price comparison, Spitfire are the number one wheel for a reason, so if other wheels are the same price and Spitfire are in stock, I wouldn't be thinking twice about anything else, but that is just me.

For any one else, I think a few pages back I asked about them (instagram pic from Uprise) and people said they were good.  Seems "good" is not "great" though, so again it comes back to supply - if you can get whatever you want, it is your choice, but I think you might be a little less happy with any other wheel besides Spitfire.

If you go to the top of this thread and type "dial" first and have a look, then "dialtone" in the search, lots of other people have commented on them.
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I remember seeing a post from Mike Del Negro on insta possibly and seeing the most flatspotted wheels of my life. Will have to do some lurking and see if I can find it. Also I dm'ed Dial Tone before and whoever I talked with was one of the most unhelpful people on earth and couldn't answer basic questions about shape or duro. Literally could only say they were "good" and "what the real nor east pros use..." I just stick with tried and true SF classics and bigheads.
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Man gotta see screen shots of that convo

I love bad customer service. There is nothing funnier.

I commented few pages back but I've been skating the Jordan Trahan Round Cut 99A 53mm wheels. I came off full conical Formula 4 Spitfires 53mm 99. I really like the dial tone wheels. They feel faster to me and I haven't had any flatspots yet. Don't get me wrong, the Formula 4s are great but I wanted to try something new and I haven't been disappointed.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on February 11, 2021, 06:45:13 AM
Does anyone have experience with OJ Elites vs Spitfire F4 99s? I'm enjoying the Elites much more than STF 103s and F4 101s in the dusty indoor park I go to at winter. What I don't like about the Elites is they sometimes have an unpredictable kickout where they go from grippy to icy in 0.01 seconds, which is scary. I'm wondering if F4 99's could be an improvement over the Elites.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Rubbrick on February 11, 2021, 06:57:24 AM
Does anyone have experience with OJ Elites vs Spitfire F4 99s? I'm enjoying the Elites much more than STF 103s and F4 101s in the dusty indoor park I go to at winter. What I don't like about the Elites is they sometimes have an unpredictable kickout where they go from grippy to icy in 0.01 seconds, which is scary. I'm wondering if F4 99's could be an improvement over the Elites.

I’ve used both. I definitely prefer the f4 99’s way more. The oj’s aren’t bad but definitely have a plastic-y feel and don’t seem as grippy as the f4’s in certain situations like you were saying. I remember hearing the duro ratings between companies varied, so that makes sense.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on February 11, 2021, 07:05:26 AM
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Does anyone have experience with OJ Elites vs Spitfire F4 99s? I'm enjoying the Elites much more than STF 103s and F4 101s in the dusty indoor park I go to at winter. What I don't like about the Elites is they sometimes have an unpredictable kickout where they go from grippy to icy in 0.01 seconds, which is scary. I'm wondering if F4 99's could be an improvement over the Elites.
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I’ve used both. I definitely prefer the f4 99’s way more. The oj’s aren’t bad but definitely have a plastic-y feel and don’t seem as grippy as the f4’s in certain situations like you were saying. I remember hearing the duro ratings between companies varied, so that makes sense.

Thanks for the information. OJ Elites unlike the STF 103s and Spitfire 101s haven't betrayed me, so I'm actually quite satisfied with them. The consistency of the grip could be improved though and the universal shape which I'm using isn't manufactured anymore and I'm not a fan of the EZ Edge and Hardline shapes. F4 99s are one of the last big options I have not tried besides Bones Easy Streets, which I heard are nice and grippy as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 11, 2021, 06:52:58 PM
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Does anyone have experience with OJ Elites vs Spitfire F4 99s? I'm enjoying the Elites much more than STF 103s and F4 101s in the dusty indoor park I go to at winter. What I don't like about the Elites is they sometimes have an unpredictable kickout where they go from grippy to icy in 0.01 seconds, which is scary. I'm wondering if F4 99's could be an improvement over the Elites.
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I’ve used both. I definitely prefer the f4 99’s way more. The oj’s aren’t bad but definitely have a plastic-y feel and don’t seem as grippy as the f4’s in certain situations like you were saying. I remember hearing the duro ratings between companies varied, so that makes sense.
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Thanks for the information. OJ Elites unlike the STF 103s and Spitfire 101s haven't betrayed me, so I'm actually quite satisfied with them. The consistency of the grip could be improved though and the universal shape which I'm using isn't manufactured anymore and I'm not a fan of the EZ Edge and Hardline shapes. F4 99s are one of the last big options I have not tried besides Bones Easy Streets, which I heard are nice and grippy as well.

From working in indoor parks and constantly having to clean the surfaces, I am thinking it could be more a case of the dust build up in some areas of the park being more of a concern than the wheels, but that said I had always had slightly wider surface and slightly softer duro wheels for the mixed surfaces indoors compared to the normal raw concrete of outdoor skateparks.

The older USA made OJ Elites / Slimeballs were not actually anywhere near 101 duro and most were still more like 97 duro which I found perfect (but could still slip out from time to time) but the newer ones which are very white looking and have the plastic look to them as mentioned are a different story.

For the indoor park, most of the guys knew to account for the slip factor and still rode Spitfire 99s or Bones SPF wheels on everything, but yes the Bones 99s are also more grippy too, as well as the Spitfire 97 duro - classic shape in 54 and 56 mm.

I should add, I normally ride F4 99 duro on most things and they just work, minimal issues with anything for me, but yet to try the F4 97s.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on February 12, 2021, 11:15:52 AM
From working in indoor parks and constantly having to clean the surfaces, I am thinking it could be more a case of the dust build up in some areas of the park being more of a concern than the wheels, but that said I had always had slightly wider surface and slightly softer duro wheels for the mixed surfaces indoors compared to the normal raw concrete of outdoor skateparks.

The older USA made OJ Elites / Slimeballs were not actually anywhere near 101 duro and most were still more like 97 duro which I found perfect (but could still slip out from time to time) but the newer ones which are very white looking and have the plastic look to them as mentioned are a different story.

For the indoor park, most of the guys knew to account for the slip factor and still rode Spitfire 99s or Bones SPF wheels on everything, but yes the Bones 99s are also more grippy too, as well as the Spitfire 97 duro - classic shape in 54 and 56 mm.

I should add, I normally ride F4 99 duro on most things and they just work, minimal issues with anything for me, but yet to try the F4 97s.

The bowl is dirty, but unfortunately it's a take it or leave it thing over here. I have found the Elites to perform sufficiently when scraping the wheels against the wall every few runs. I read about 80 pages of this thread yesterday and here are some people describing issues with the F4 99's (slippery and slow in transition):

I was in the 99a f4 conical full gang for the last year and loving the curb life on them, but ate serious shit slipping out at the park twice this past week. I’m just not great on transition to begin with so figured I’d try something a little grippier. Got talked into some 99a OJ hardline elites at the local. They’re noticeably faster and do grip better, which may or may not be a plus for all. Really solid wheel. Kinda wish they were made in the US (or Mexico), but otherwise loving them.

This is so far my experience except I tried 101s in the park before going to Elites.

One f4 slip out was your standard early-morning, bowl pump mishap and the other was coming out of an axle stall doing a delayed little revert thing that normally works out. Ouch. The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

I put on some F4 99s.  As happens every time I use F4 99s in transition - I remember again how slow they feel.  Skating the exact same lines I would end up lower, shorter and more tired halfway through the session.  I have F4 101s that I like, but the 99s always go back in the shoebox within a week or two.

I put on the STF 99s.  They are faster than F4s on the buttery smooth park I skate - almost as fast as the 103s, and have better traction, are quieter, and more comfortable.   With the F4s I would be thinking about pumping harder and trying to find speed wherever I could.  With the STFs, they are fast enough that I don't think about them when skating.

If I was riding street as most people do the F4's would be a no-brainer, but I have been riding nothing but a giant multi-section wooden bowl for months. OJ's seem like such a weird wheel brand to seriously get into, but if that's what it takes not to wipe out, then so be it. I think between Spitfire and Bones the only fast "grip" wheel they make are the Bones SPF, which would be rattly for street. The OJ's do look chalky and plasticky, but the ride is actually smooth and fast. I would like to try an NFG type aesthetic, but it seems like they're another slidey street wheel, which is not exactly what has worked for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 20, 2021, 09:31:39 AM
Is 97a really that big of a difference than 99a?

I understand it varies between brands as well. Been thinking of trying out Dogtown wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 20, 2021, 04:50:23 PM
Is 97a really that big of a difference than 99a?

I understand it varies between brands as well. Been thinking of trying out Dogtown wheels.

The big wheels from both OJ 95 and 97 and Powell 97 that I have are (what I would consider just the right amount) more grippy than others, but still roll hard and fast over everything, which is why so many people enjoy them on boards with more size and weight, mainly but not limited to old school shapes and sizes.  They still slide, but they don't usually slip out.  They also have a decent amount of give on more harsh surfaces, eg crusty old skatepark or rougher bitumen roads.

These ones I am referring to usually come in 60+ mm sizes, so there is also that to think about too, being much bigger, they had a lot more rolling potential than smaller wheels.

I am yet to try the Spitfire F4 97s, but lots of people on here say they like them. I do still have a lot of the old softer Spitfires in both 95 and 97 and they are amazing wheels, most of those in about 56 to 57mm, some now down to 50mm and have lasted really well.

There are also 97s from Speedlab, the Danforth nomads in 57mm 97 duro (not to be confused with OJ nomads in 95), both of which are fun and good wheels.

Dogtown seems like a good brand, not skimping on quality, so those wheels should be a good compound too.  Some others I had from them a long time ago were amazing.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 20, 2021, 08:24:08 PM
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I understand it varies between brands as well. Been thinking of trying out Dogtown wheels.
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The big wheels from both OJ 95 and 97 and Powell 97 that I have are (what I would consider just the right amount) more grippy than others, but still roll hard and fast over everything, which is why so many people enjoy them on boards with more size and weight, mainly but not limited to old school shapes and sizes.  They still slide, but they don't usually slip out.  They also have a decent amount of give on more harsh surfaces, eg crusty old skatepark or rougher bitumen roads.

These ones I am referring to usually come in 60+ mm sizes, so there is also that to think about too, being much bigger, they had a lot more rolling potential than smaller wheels.

I am yet to try the Spitfire F4 97s, but lots of people on here say they like them. I do still have a lot of the old softer Spitfires in both 95 and 97 and they are amazing wheels, most of those in about 56 to 57mm, some now down to 50mm and have lasted really well.

There are also 97s from Speedlab, the Danforth nomads in 57mm 97 duro (not to be confused with OJ nomads in 95), both of which are fun and good wheels.

Dogtown seems like a good brand, not skimping on quality, so those wheels should be a good compound too.  Some others I had from them a long time ago were amazing.

It's comforting reading all of this, it got rid of some of the skepticism I had. Gonna try out the Dogtown 60mm 97a K9 Single Conicals, new durometer and shape is going to be a trip to skate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: clint on February 21, 2021, 11:17:01 AM
I got a set of 52mm Ghost Lites yesterday. Overall it's fun to try something different and the cores are a fun throwback. But these wheels do not compare to F4 - especially for their price. Next to F4, these Orbs are slower, don't slide as well, and just don't feel or sound as good in general.

That being said I do think they look cool as shit, and I would be fully onboard for a F4 cored wheel.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1449/5224/products/FA20OrbsGhostlitesWEBPhotos_1800x1800.jpg?v=1609870751)

https://welcomeskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/orbs-ghost-lites-52mm-white-black

White = 52mm
Pink = 54mm
Blue = 56mm

Why reintroduce a concept that's already been proven to fail? More importantly, which one of you guys are going to try this out? Cause $44 is not cheap for a factually failed concept
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2021, 03:22:05 PM
Been riding 52mm BONES STF V3s (or V1s depending on obstacles) 99a (that's a fucking mouthful) for minute now due to skating some crusty rough ass spots and have zero complaints...Why BONES? I don't have any Spits in 99a and have too many wheels :P
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 24, 2021, 05:37:29 PM
Not gonna lie, just saw these and had to stop what I was doing and fan out for a minute...


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLr_QXhllMz/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on February 24, 2021, 05:44:01 PM


Not gonna lie, just saw these and had to stop what I was doing and fan out for a minute...




https://www.instagram.com/p/CLr_QXhllMz/



They’re nice. Look like conical full too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on February 24, 2021, 07:25:34 PM


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Not gonna lie, just saw these and had to stop what I was doing and fan out for a minute...




https://www.instagram.com/p/CLr_QXhllMz/
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They’re nice. Look like conical full too.
og classics
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on February 24, 2021, 11:26:26 PM
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Not gonna lie, just saw these and had to stop what I was doing and fan out for a minute...




https://www.instagram.com/p/CLr_QXhllMz/
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They’re nice. Look like conical full too.
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radials
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 25, 2021, 07:01:53 AM

OG Classics for the win.

That pic makes them look so wide though, I really didn't know what shape they were.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLpXUYzAO-K/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 25, 2021, 07:22:05 AM

OG Classics for the win.

That pic makes them look so wide though, I really didn't know what shape they were.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLpXUYzAO-K/

The GT wheel looks so good....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cant stop on February 27, 2021, 03:59:58 AM
I just made an order on some bones 84b 56mm for my cruiser board. I have a feeling that was a big misstake for the rough ground in northen europe? Which wheel can I compare them with when it comes to the hardness, cause I have the feeling 84b is not as soft as I want them. I have some ricta clouds 78d and I want something a little bit harder.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 27, 2021, 04:03:03 AM
84b is hard as fuck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on February 27, 2021, 04:13:41 AM
I just made an order on some bones 84b 56mm for my cruiser board. I have a feeling that was a big misstake for the rough ground in northen europe? Which wheel can I compare them with when it comes to the hardness, cause I have the feeling 84b is not as soft as I want them. I have some ricta clouds 78d and I want something a little bit harder.
84b is comparable to 104a, so yeah, big mistake. You'd want 80-90a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cant stop on February 27, 2021, 04:32:31 AM
Thanks! Im on it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 27, 2021, 04:42:12 AM
I just made an order on some bones 84b 56mm for my cruiser board. I have a feeling that was a big misstake for the rough ground in northen europe? Which wheel can I compare them with when it comes to the hardness, cause I have the feeling 84b is not as soft as I want them. I have some ricta clouds 78d and I want something a little bit harder.

Basic info (sorry if this is already known) but the durometer measurements are on the A scale and for skateboard wheels, really only go from high seventies (very soft) to top out at a hundred (very hard), so the B scale was introduced to allow the wheels to go beyond that, (even though it is not actually possible to measure accurately or compare scales) and so minus 20 from the A number will get the B number, eg 100a = 80b, or as you have Bones at 84b is likened to 104a, as stated.

When you see a "D" after it, it is more likely just to mean the word durometer, or often when people say 90 duro for short, it is 90A, which is a really good hardness for cruiser boards.

Bones do the all terrain wheels which are also about 80 duro on the A scale, which are the ones you might have been thinking of and are excellent wheels for rolling smoothly over crust.

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/all-terrain-formula


At least you can set up those normal Bones wheels you just bought on a "go fast" board and hit the local ramp, parks or bowl, but if that is not your thing, you might be able to sell them on or swap them with someone.  That is if you cannot get a hold of whoever you just bought them from and stop them sending them to you first.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 27, 2021, 03:48:52 PM
I just saw this on 35th Ave instagram - Loophole wheels back in stock:


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLxxjuildNZ/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 11, 2021, 11:52:52 AM
Loopholes are the the shit. Everyone should try them. As good as bones or spit for sure. 58 tears would be the bees knees.

So I need help

I'm thinking about getting g slides rn even though they are green.  I was wondering if slap has an opinion on them?

I'd rather have a 95a or a 97a wheel if the g slides suck.

Sliding has saved my life so many times skating across Marblehead to see the sunrise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 11, 2021, 12:57:00 PM
Loopholes are the the shit. Everyone should try them. As good as bones or spit for sure. 58 tears would be the bees knees.

So I need help

I'm thinking about getting g slides rn even though they are green.  I was wondering if slap has an opinion on them?

I'd rather have a 95a or a 97a wheel if the g slides suck.

Sliding has saved my life so many times skating across Marblehead to see the sunrise.

I’ve had two sets of Gslides and they are ok as a cruiser wheel, but the slide goes away really really quickly. They seem to slide ok (for a soft wheel) for the first few sessions but once the outer layer comes off they are as grippy as any other soft wheel.

By slide, I mean power slides on asphalt for normal street skating.

The only soft wheels I’ve ever found that slide consistently for a long period of time are the 85a cruiser wheels that used to be on Pennswoods website and those look to be sold out.

If you want to try a 97a that has consistent slide, try the new 97a F4’s. I’ve had mine for over a month and do a ton of slidey stuff and they are fantastic. They feel a little nicer on crust than the 99s, grip slightly more but break into slides really easy and the slide is steady.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyz on March 16, 2021, 10:51:21 PM
looking for 50mm 99a or 97a conicals and came across darkroom wheels...anyone tried their Segment or Prism wheels? they seem to be conical shaped too which seems pretty rare.

I'll probably get a set in the next week, but wondering if anyone has any experience with them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 17, 2021, 04:54:06 AM
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Loopholes are the the shit. Everyone should try them. As good as bones or spit for sure. 58 tears would be the bees knees.

So I need help

I'm thinking about getting g slides rn even though they are green.  I was wondering if slap has an opinion on them?

I'd rather have a 95a or a 97a wheel if the g slides suck.

Sliding has saved my life so many times skating across Marblehead to see the sunrise.
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I’ve had two sets of Gslides and they are ok as a cruiser wheel, but the slide goes away really really quickly. They seem to slide ok (for a soft wheel) for the first few sessions but once the outer layer comes off they are as grippy as any other soft wheel.

By slide, I mean power slides on asphalt for normal street skating.

The only soft wheels I’ve ever found that slide consistently for a long period of time are the 85a cruiser wheels that used to be on Pennswoods website and those look to be sold out.

If you want to try a 97a that has consistent slide, try the new 97a F4’s. I’ve had mine for over a month and do a ton of slidey stuff and they are fantastic. They feel a little nicer on crust than the 99s, grip slightly more but break into slides really easy and the slide is steady.

That's what I figured.

I should just ride my old 97a bones from the 80s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldCandy on March 17, 2021, 06:10:59 AM
https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on March 17, 2021, 06:12:07 AM
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Loopholes are the the shit. Everyone should try them. As good as bones or spit for sure. 58 tears would be the bees knees.

So I need help

I'm thinking about getting g slides rn even though they are green.  I was wondering if slap has an opinion on them?

I'd rather have a 95a or a 97a wheel if the g slides suck.

Sliding has saved my life so many times skating across Marblehead to see the sunrise.
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I’ve had two sets of Gslides and they are ok as a cruiser wheel, but the slide goes away really really quickly. They seem to slide ok (for a soft wheel) for the first few sessions but once the outer layer comes off they are as grippy as any other soft wheel.

By slide, I mean power slides on asphalt for normal street skating.

The only soft wheels I’ve ever found that slide consistently for a long period of time are the 85a cruiser wheels that used to be on Pennswoods website and those look to be sold out.

If you want to try a 97a that has consistent slide, try the new 97a F4’s. I’ve had mine for over a month and do a ton of slidey stuff and they are fantastic. They feel a little nicer on crust than the 99s, grip slightly more but break into slides really easy and the slide is steady.
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That's what I figured.

I should just ride my old 97a bones from the 80s

I just saw that they are making starting to make G Slides with their Dragonskin formula, which is their sought-after burly downhill wheel.

If they make normal sized wheels in that stuff I’m definitely getting a set
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on March 17, 2021, 06:27:11 AM
https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..

i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 17, 2021, 06:45:19 AM
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https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s

To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 17, 2021, 06:49:45 AM
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Loopholes are the the shit. Everyone should try them. As good as bones or spit for sure. 58 tears would be the bees knees.

So I need help

I'm thinking about getting g slides rn even though they are green.  I was wondering if slap has an opinion on them?

I'd rather have a 95a or a 97a wheel if the g slides suck.

Sliding has saved my life so many times skating across Marblehead to see the sunrise.
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I’ve had two sets of Gslides and they are ok as a cruiser wheel, but the slide goes away really really quickly. They seem to slide ok (for a soft wheel) for the first few sessions but once the outer layer comes off they are as grippy as any other soft wheel.

By slide, I mean power slides on asphalt for normal street skating.

The only soft wheels I’ve ever found that slide consistently for a long period of time are the 85a cruiser wheels that used to be on Pennswoods website and those look to be sold out.

If you want to try a 97a that has consistent slide, try the new 97a F4’s. I’ve had mine for over a month and do a ton of slidey stuff and they are fantastic. They feel a little nicer on crust than the 99s, grip slightly more but break into slides really easy and the slide is steady.
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That's what I figured.

I should just ride my old 97a bones from the 80s

I forgot to mention that the Powell bombers I have (85a) slide ok too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on March 17, 2021, 07:02:20 AM
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https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s

you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TastyBurrito on March 17, 2021, 07:18:37 AM
Has anyone ridden the OJ Nomads? How were they?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on March 17, 2021, 07:21:12 AM
i just recently switched to dialtones after skating pretty much only f4s for 6 years and they are the only wheels i’ve skated during those 6 years that slide easily (not as easily as f4s but way better than for example bones). didn’t even have to get used to them and haven’t gotten any flatspots yet, even after bombing some hills. good wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldCandy on March 17, 2021, 07:32:05 AM
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https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...

mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 17, 2021, 07:45:10 AM
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https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set

Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2021, 09:25:55 AM
The new Bones 99 duro wheels seem significantly cheaper here, but the older styles of STF and SPF are more expensive along with everything else that has gone up since covid.

Anyone else noticed that?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on March 19, 2021, 12:16:49 PM
I know a few of you guys are fans of these so I figured I'd let you know that Prize Fighter has wheels again.

https://www.prizefightercutlery.com

I ordered a set of 53mm... They look to be somewhat of a wide but not conical shape, almost like a fat classic. A friend who already has them sent me this Pic -  tablets on the left, PFC 52mm in the middle, and classics on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/wq40D2J.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 19, 2021, 12:30:37 PM
I know a few of you guys are fans of these so I figured I'd let you know that Prize Fighter has wheels again.

https://www.prizefightercutlery.com

I ordered a set of 53mm... They look to be somewhat of a wide but not conical shape, almost like a fat classic. A friend who already has them sent me this Pic -  tablets on the left, PFC 52mm in the middle, and classics on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/wq40D2J.jpg)

That is a real nice shape. I will see if I can get them in Europe. Thanks for the head ups BFRD
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2021, 02:27:44 PM
I know a few of you guys are fans of these so I figured I'd let you know that Prize Fighter has wheels again.

https://www.prizefightercutlery.com

I ordered a set of 53mm... They look to be somewhat of a wide but not conical shape, almost like a fat classic. A friend who already has them sent me this Pic -  tablets on the left, PFC 52mm in the middle, and classics on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/wq40D2J.jpg)


That's a fat fucking wheel!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on March 19, 2021, 03:10:40 PM
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I know a few of you guys are fans of these so I figured I'd let you know that Prize Fighter has wheels again.

https://www.prizefightercutlery.com

I ordered a set of 53mm... They look to be somewhat of a wide but not conical shape, almost like a fat classic. A friend who already has them sent me this Pic -  tablets on the left, PFC 52mm in the middle, and classics on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/wq40D2J.jpg)
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That is a real nice shape. I will see if I can get them in Europe. Thanks for the head ups BFRD

Hit him up on Instagram and see how much it would be. It's basically one dude doing things himself for the right reasons (like DOA, but wheels) so you can communicate directly with him pretty easily. Theres a few shops that are carrying them as well. I know library, comfort, and solstice all have/will have them so keep an eye on their websites.

Alternatively, if you've got a relationship with a local shop or distributor over there it may be worth asking them to order some. I'm sure it would be cheaper than sending a single set over and you could be the cool kid with wheels no one else has and you can be like "yeah it's an underground brand from New York... You've probably never heard of it." and then take a drag off your cigarette and roll your eyes.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 19, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
yep, Library has them live right now
https://libraryskateshop.com/collections/wheels?sort_by=created-descending

53mm Round cut
Riding surface-16.5mm
Overall Width-33.5mm

54m Round cut.
Riding surface-17mm
Overall Width-34mm


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 20, 2021, 01:35:25 PM
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I know a few of you guys are fans of these so I figured I'd let you know that Prize Fighter has wheels again.

https://www.prizefightercutlery.com

I ordered a set of 53mm... They look to be somewhat of a wide but not conical shape, almost like a fat classic. A friend who already has them sent me this Pic -  tablets on the left, PFC 52mm in the middle, and classics on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/wq40D2J.jpg)
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That is a real nice shape. I will see if I can get them in Europe. Thanks for the head ups BFRD
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Hit him up on Instagram and see how much it would be. It's basically one dude doing things himself for the right reasons (like DOA, but wheels) so you can communicate directly with him pretty easily. Theres a few shops that are carrying them as well. I know library, comfort, and solstice all have/will have them so keep an eye on their websites.

Alternatively, if you've got a relationship with a local shop or distributor over there it may be worth asking them to order some. I'm sure it would be cheaper than sending a single set over and you could be the cool kid with wheels no one else has and you can be like "yeah it's an underground brand from New York... You've probably never heard of it." and then take a drag off your cigarette and roll your eyes.

Thanks again for the help BFRD. I will hit him up on insta and see what is possible.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 20, 2021, 02:29:54 PM
I know a few of you guys are fans of these so I figured I'd let you know that Prize Fighter has wheels again.

https://www.prizefightercutlery.com

I ordered a set of 53mm... They look to be somewhat of a wide but not conical shape, almost like a fat classic. A friend who already has them sent me this Pic -  tablets on the left, PFC 52mm in the middle, and classics on the right.

(https://i.imgur.com/wq40D2J.jpg)

That's a really nice shape wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on March 20, 2021, 09:15:16 PM
Just wanted to chime in and say Bones makes a 99a "fatties" wheel that is identical to those prizefighters. I have some sitting in my junk box but too lazy to post a pic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 20, 2021, 09:56:33 PM
Just wanted to chime in and say Bones makes a 99a "fatties" wheel that is identical to those prizefighters. I have some sitting in my junk box but too lazy to post a pic.


They look like the sort of wheel shape I would enjoy, classic full shape.  It is their P2 shape from the SPF line, which I have had before in bigger sizes and they skate well.


(https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Easy-Street-Fatties_x980.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 20, 2021, 10:37:59 PM
I have a couple sets of the “Easy street” fatties aka 99a stf from when they first came out. They are a great shape and slid pretty nice too, though they felt a little slow. Curious how these prizefighters will slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 21, 2021, 02:50:52 AM
PFC aren’t coming to Japan on this batch :(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on March 21, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
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I just set up a cruiser with some 87a OJ Keyframes, and I'm not sure how much I like them

The roll and speed are great, but as soon as I get out in the streets I find myself wanting to rip some slappies, and unfortunately the stickiness of the Keyframes makes it much less consistent than I would like

I searched the thread and read previous comments, but there are a few things I'd like to follow up on:

Does the stickiness wear away after you break them in at all?

Do other people get their Keyframes to slide and slappy?

Should I try a slightly harder wheel? Seems like there aren't that many options currently available in the 90a-92a range, but some people like the 92a Ricta Clouds. I see 95a OJ Nomads for sale in a couple places as well.

For background, I normally ride 99a f4s in various sizes and shapes, and I'm looking for something just a little easier on my knees for those lazy/stiff days.
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Unfortunately, my experience is they’ll stay sticky but also slow down considerably. What size are the keyframes? For cruiser, I skate Powell G-Slides, they’re 85a but not as sticky, feel harder, not bouncy and down lose their speed as much with age - just better quality urethane than OJ etc I guess. I skated the 54s and that was fun changeup to give my knees a break, but didn’t lose all feel like some cruisers. Works for me. I always go back to spitfire 101a for my street setup, but in my experience, spitfire/oj/ricta etc just don’t make a good quality lasting cruiser wheels.

Ok chiming in with an update on my cruiser wheel madness

The keyframes I’ve had are 87a 58mm. I actually asked for 56s when I bought them and didn’t realize they were 58s until I had been skating them for a while. Lol, whoops

After getting used to them I definitely got my slappies back, but they still feel weird and bouncy for a lot of stuff. Reverts and power slides are pretty much out of the question for me, although others may just be better skaters. Boardslides on parking blocks and curbs and stuff are kind of difficult as well because the wheels tend to get stuck if the obstacle is low clearance.

On the positive side, I really enjoy how grippy they are when I want to lay down deep surfy carves.

So I decided to try a set of 92a 56mm ricta cored clouds. Not sure how different they are from plain old clouds, or if this is an aesthetic thing or what. Based on reviews in this thread I thought they seemed promising for a wheel that could both cruise and slide. 

I find that these clouds are definitely easier to boardslide, revert, and powerslide. No problems there. Slappies are a little easier as well. Nose and tail slides are strangely a bit more sticky for some reason? Could just be my own poor performance. They have a distinct rattling plasticky feeling right now, idk if it will change. They also aren’t as responsive for quick carves as the OJs, and make steering feel less responsive in general. I’m always surprised by how different wheel sizes and shapes affect turning— often overlooked imo. Also note this is on a polar dane1 with ace 55s, so handling would definitely be different on a popsicle or a narrower set of trucks.

Could definitely be a good street wheel to throw on if you want to hit a particularly jacked up spot but I’m not it’s quite right for my own purposes, which are basically “cruiser that can slide a bit.”

Maybe I’ll try some G Slides next?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on March 21, 2021, 05:48:30 PM
I just ordered some those PFC 53s. haven't skated wheels that small in a wicked long time but I saw numerous people talking about ordering 53s so I figured why the fuck not?

Anyone skate the Loopholes? I'm thinking I wanna get a set of 56 V cuts. How do they slide? grip?

Been riding Bones STF, got a set of 54 and 56 since I started skating again and they're pretty good but I'm not sold that they're what I want and I'm having fun seeing what fits best with how I'm skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 21, 2021, 06:06:39 PM
I just ordered some those PFC 53s. haven't skated wheels that small in a wicked long time but I saw numerous people talking about ordering 53s so I figured why the fuck not?

Anyone skate the Loopholes? I'm thinking I wanna get a set of 56 V cuts. How do they slide? grip?

Been riding Bones STF, got a set of 54 and 56 since I started skating again and they're pretty good but I'm not sold that they're what I want and I'm having fun seeing what fits best with how I'm skating.

Good wheels, they get compared to F4 a lot but they do not slide nearly as well IMO. That being said they roll over pretty much anything and feel very smooth on rough ground for such a hard wheel. And they last forever.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on March 21, 2021, 06:35:15 PM
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I just ordered some those PFC 53s. haven't skated wheels that small in a wicked long time but I saw numerous people talking about ordering 53s so I figured why the fuck not?

Anyone skate the Loopholes? I'm thinking I wanna get a set of 56 V cuts. How do they slide? grip?

Been riding Bones STF, got a set of 54 and 56 since I started skating again and they're pretty good but I'm not sold that they're what I want and I'm having fun seeing what fits best with how I'm skating.
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Good wheels, they get compared to F4 a lot but they do not slide nearly as well IMO. That being said they roll over pretty much anything and feel very smooth on rough ground for such a hard wheel. And they last forever.

sick. that smooth ride is what I feel is missing in the bones wheels I'm riding. maybe it's because I'm older or something. I don't know but I'm not finding them to slide particularly well on the street either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Stlfromca on March 21, 2021, 08:47:37 PM
I wonder if a formula four 97a feels like a classic 99a?  lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 22, 2021, 04:36:17 PM
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I just ordered some those PFC 53s. haven't skated wheels that small in a wicked long time but I saw numerous people talking about ordering 53s so I figured why the fuck not?

Anyone skate the Loopholes? I'm thinking I wanna get a set of 56 V cuts. How do they slide? grip?

Been riding Bones STF, got a set of 54 and 56 since I started skating again and they're pretty good but I'm not sold that they're what I want and I'm having fun seeing what fits best with how I'm skating.
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Good wheels, they get compared to F4 a lot but they do not slide nearly as well IMO. That being said they roll over pretty much anything and feel very smooth on rough ground for such a hard wheel. And they last forever.
my 56 v-cut loopholes perform better than F4s in my experience, they are the best wheels I have ever owned period!!!! Having said that, I have a set of 52mm teardrops and they are not on the same level ... I'm guessing there are discrepancies with the hand pouring?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on March 22, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
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I just ordered some those PFC 53s. haven't skated wheels that small in a wicked long time but I saw numerous people talking about ordering 53s so I figured why the fuck not?

Anyone skate the Loopholes? I'm thinking I wanna get a set of 56 V cuts. How do they slide? grip?

Been riding Bones STF, got a set of 54 and 56 since I started skating again and they're pretty good but I'm not sold that they're what I want and I'm having fun seeing what fits best with how I'm skating.
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Good wheels, they get compared to F4 a lot but they do not slide nearly as well IMO. That being said they roll over pretty much anything and feel very smooth on rough ground for such a hard wheel. And they last forever.
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my 56 v-cut loopholes perform better than F4s in my experience, they are the best wheels I have ever owned period!!!! Having said that, I have a set of 52mm teardrops and they are not on the same level ... I'm guessing there are discrepancies with the hand pouring?

what do you mean that they perform better? something I'm not liking with the STF 83b is that the sorta don't really feel like urethane, but more like wicked hard plastic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ballintoohard on March 22, 2021, 05:15:31 PM
I found my Loopholes slower and didn't slide as well as 99 F4 and they didn't measure the advertised side.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 22, 2021, 08:41:17 PM
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I just ordered some those PFC 53s. haven't skated wheels that small in a wicked long time but I saw numerous people talking about ordering 53s so I figured why the fuck not?

Anyone skate the Loopholes? I'm thinking I wanna get a set of 56 V cuts. How do they slide? grip?

Been riding Bones STF, got a set of 54 and 56 since I started skating again and they're pretty good but I'm not sold that they're what I want and I'm having fun seeing what fits best with how I'm skating.
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Good wheels, they get compared to F4 a lot but they do not slide nearly as well IMO. That being said they roll over pretty much anything and feel very smooth on rough ground for such a hard wheel. And they last forever.
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my 56 v-cut loopholes perform better than F4s in my experience, they are the best wheels I have ever owned period!!!! Having said that, I have a set of 52mm teardrops and they are not on the same level ... I'm guessing there are discrepancies with the hand pouring?
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what do you mean that they perform better? something I'm not liking with the STF 83b is that the sorta don't really feel like urethane, but more like wicked hard plastic.
they slide better than 99 F4s and don't feel plasticy at all. As I said though, this is my experience on the set I'm riding; if all loopholes performed the same, I'd have no qualms only riding them from here on out! There is a consistency issue though because my 52mm teardrops are defs not up to scratch....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diocletian on March 23, 2021, 07:11:44 AM
I'm skating some 95a 60mm OJs right now, in the past I've had some 97a 60mm Dogtown's as well. I know it's a big size but I find this combo of huge size and slightly softer durometer to unlock a much more comfortable and stable all-terrain experience vs the usual size/hardness most are riding nowadays. I can basically do one push and then slalom back and forth really hard and gain speed without even pushing because the wheels are secure to the ground unlike slipfires. Takes a little getting used to with looking down and seeing such crazy big wheels and adds some heft to the board. Other than that it's insanely fun, would love to see some more pals on here try it out and share their experiences.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2021, 05:12:30 PM
I'm skating some 95a 60mm OJs right now, in the past I've had some 97a 60mm Dogtown's as well. I know it's a big size but I find this combo of huge size and slightly softer durometer to unlock a much more comfortable and stable all-terrain experience vs the usual size/hardness most are riding nowadays. I can basically do one push and then slalom back and forth really hard and gain speed without even pushing because the wheels are secure to the ground unlike slipfires. Takes a little getting used to with looking down and seeing such crazy big wheels and adds some heft to the board. Other than that it's insanely fun, would love to see some more pals on here try it out and share their experiences.

Yes I have always had at least one setup with that size and duro, often when I have not as wide trucks and a wider deck, the wide wheels fit well without sticking out too far, eg right now there are some on a set of 149s on a shaped board just under 9 and they work well.

Many of the older guys with bigger boards and a couple of the younger ones who want the "old guy setup" as they call it are all riding some form of Santa Cruz / OJ in 95 to 97 duro, from the Teamriders, the Slimeballs, the Elite Combos, almost all 60 to 61mm and 95 to 97 duro.  All from the same place and all usually amazing wheels to skate.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on March 24, 2021, 03:50:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sc0URQ3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2tmCTXB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ucqKzU0.jpg)

Got my PFC - 53mm 101a. Shout out to Ray for hooking it up with an awesome DOA sticker. First impressions - really like the shape, I'd call it more of a radial than a classic. Second photo is next to a 53mm 101a F4 conical full and they're about the same width but the PFC have a smaller contact patch. When I go back to my apartment I'll see if I can find my calipers and get the actual dimensions.

Since they're treaded it's going to take a while to see how well they really slide but I skated another similar creative urethane wheel (jivaro 53mm 101a conical) for a while last year and they had a very nice bark and didn't hang up on slow slides like softer CU formulas I've tried sometimes do. Just messing around in the basement they feel hard, fast, and slick. My primary concern right now is how they'll fare on the rough, cracked streets around my neighborhood.  Usually anything over 99a means numb feet if you're traveling any significant distance but nfg kind of opened my eyes to how well a really hard wheel can handle rough ground so maybe these will too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 25, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
Meant to post yesterday, but be wary of NFG MFG rn. You may be getting smaller wheels than the ones you bought.

I ordered 56mm Vee shape Production Seconds and they ended up being an average of 54.5mm. One of the wheels also had two fat grooves that deformed the riding surface.

(https://i.imgur.com/7xEDddd.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/BMmoeBj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9Ki4nId.jpg)

I don't know if the grooves are only found in the Production Seconds (as this is more than a cosmetic defect) but from emailing NFG and speaking to a friend that rides a lot of NFG, the wrong wheel sizing is consistent along all the wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/RyD3EXx.png)

I don't mean to shit on NFG MFG since the wheels they put out are REALLY great, but I wish they were more transparent about this on their website as there's no mention of this problem. I'm still riding the wheels and they're great (especially for the price if you don't mind an ugly wheel). I hope they manage to fix this issue soon.

Until then, I'd personally buy one size bigger than the one you want (ie if you want 56mm, buy 58mm), or bug your local and measure them in person :v

Side note: buy calipers if you want to enter a whole new level of gear madness.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2021, 03:39:25 PM
I was riding F4 99 conical full since they were first available and just changed to 99 V3 slim from Bones and like the bones better. not sure why but they feel better to me which sounds like the opposite of what most people say

Before Spitfire F4s, Bones were 'the wheel'- I like both, for crust, prefer the 99a STF to 99a spit, prefer SPF over Spit in smooth parks and to me, Bones 'feel' faster on smooth concrete; they also have to of my favorite shapes: the V5 and V3.

For general all terrain street skating, I prefer 101a spits to 103b STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 25, 2021, 06:14:39 PM
Meant to post yesterday, but be wary of NFG MFG rn. You may be getting smaller wheels than the ones you bought.

I ordered 56mm Vee shape Production Seconds and they ended up being an average of 54.5mm. One of the wheels also had two fat grooves that deformed the riding surface.

I don't know if the grooves are only found in the Production Seconds (as this is more than a cosmetic defect) but from emailing NFG and speaking to a friend that rides a lot of NFG, the wrong wheel sizing is consistent along all the wheels.

I don't mean to shit on NFG MFG since the wheels they put out are REALLY great, but I wish they were more transparent about this on their website as there's no mention of this problem. I'm still riding the wheels and they're great (especially for the price if you don't mind an ugly wheel). I hope they manage to fix this issue soon.

Until then, I'd personally buy one size bigger than the one you want (ie if you want 56mm, buy 58mm), or bug your local and measure them in person :v

Side note: buy calipers if you want to enter a whole new level of gear madness.

I have some other brand wheels that had issues to look at but still skated fine.

There was also a set or too I messed up with the angle grinder when I was reshaping them down, but they also skated fine and if I didn't think about it, there was nothing to worry about, but they look all kinds of messed up.

Set them up and skate them and let people know, cause for a "second" wheel, at a good price, they might be worth it, or they might not.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bunk Moreland on March 26, 2021, 04:18:22 AM
Meant to post yesterday, but be wary of NFG MFG rn. You may be getting smaller wheels than the ones you bought.

I ordered 56mm Vee shape Production Seconds and they ended up being an average of 54.5mm. One of the wheels also had two fat grooves that deformed the riding surface.

(https://i.imgur.com/7xEDddd.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/BMmoeBj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9Ki4nId.jpg)

I don't know if the grooves are only found in the Production Seconds (as this is more than a cosmetic defect) but from emailing NFG and speaking to a friend that rides a lot of NFG, the wrong wheel sizing is consistent along all the wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/RyD3EXx.png)

I don't mean to shit on NFG MFG since the wheels they put out are REALLY great, but I wish they were more transparent about this on their website as there's no mention of this problem. I'm still riding the wheels and they're great (especially for the price if you don't mind an ugly wheel). I hope they manage to fix this issue soon.

Until then, I'd personally buy one size bigger than the one you want (ie if you want 56mm, buy 58mm), or bug your local and measure them in person :v

Side note: buy calipers if you want to enter a whole new level of gear madness.

Delete this, don't embarrass yourself.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 26, 2021, 06:40:26 AM
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Meant to post yesterday, but be wary of NFG MFG rn. You may be getting smaller wheels than the ones you bought.

I ordered 56mm Vee shape Production Seconds and they ended up being an average of 54.5mm. One of the wheels also had two fat grooves that deformed the riding surface.

(https://i.imgur.com/7xEDddd.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/BMmoeBj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9Ki4nId.jpg)

I don't know if the grooves are only found in the Production Seconds (as this is more than a cosmetic defect) but from emailing NFG and speaking to a friend that rides a lot of NFG, the wrong wheel sizing is consistent along all the wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/RyD3EXx.png)

I don't mean to shit on NFG MFG since the wheels they put out are REALLY great, but I wish they were more transparent about this on their website as there's no mention of this problem. I'm still riding the wheels and they're great (especially for the price if you don't mind an ugly wheel). I hope they manage to fix this issue soon.

Until then, I'd personally buy one size bigger than the one you want (ie if you want 56mm, buy 58mm), or bug your local and measure them in person :v

Side note: buy calipers if you want to enter a whole new level of gear madness.
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Delete this, don't embarrass yourself.

Elaborate please. Why should I delete a warning to those that might get wheels that aren't as advertised?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 26, 2021, 06:51:04 AM
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Meant to post yesterday, but be wary of NFG MFG rn. You may be getting smaller wheels than the ones you bought.

I ordered 56mm Vee shape Production Seconds and they ended up being an average of 54.5mm. One of the wheels also had two fat grooves that deformed the riding surface.

I don't know if the grooves are only found in the Production Seconds (as this is more than a cosmetic defect) but from emailing NFG and speaking to a friend that rides a lot of NFG, the wrong wheel sizing is consistent along all the wheels.

I don't mean to shit on NFG MFG since the wheels they put out are REALLY great, but I wish they were more transparent about this on their website as there's no mention of this problem. I'm still riding the wheels and they're great (especially for the price if you don't mind an ugly wheel). I hope they manage to fix this issue soon.

Until then, I'd personally buy one size bigger than the one you want (ie if you want 56mm, buy 58mm), or bug your local and measure them in person :v

Side note: buy calipers if you want to enter a whole new level of gear madness.
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I have some other brand wheels that had issues to look at but still skated fine.

There was also a set or too I messed up with the angle grinder when I was reshaping them down, but they also skated fine and if I didn't think about it, there was nothing to worry about, but they look all kinds of messed up.

Set them up and skate them and let people know, cause for a "second" wheel, at a good price, they might be worth it, or they might not.

Yeah currently skating them as said in my previous post, so far no problems and the performance is really good although it's only been one 3 hour session at the time of this post. I figured people would want to know about this issue since I know some people take details like that extremely seriously. Also I really did want 56mm wheels instead of 54mm :v (not a big issue)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2021, 09:50:23 AM
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https://www.hazardwheels.com/

i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different

It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 26, 2021, 12:06:41 PM
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i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+

Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99’s as far as ease and consistency of slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2021, 01:05:38 PM
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i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
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Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99’s as far as ease and consistency of slide

I've a set of each (well two natural colored 99s, V3 and V3 and one white V1) and put the OG ezs on after the V3s, its crazy how different they feel. I blame on spitfire and bones kowtowing to 'marketing' meaning, using naturals to compete with spits offwhite/natural look.

I like white wheels!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on March 26, 2021, 01:13:41 PM
bones for me never stayed white. they usually turn into some weird neon glow greenish piss type yellow tone after mere weeks. i take the beige natural colored wheels over the pissed looking wheels any day. maybe the streets of my city are constantly drenched in a thin urine layer that the bones just pick up really well, who knows.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
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i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
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Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99’s as far as ease and consistency of slide
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I've a set of each (well two natural colored 99s, V3 and V3 and one white V1) and put the OG ezs on after the V3s, its crazy how different they feel. I blame on spitfire and bones kowtowing to 'marketing' meaning, using naturals to compete with spits offwhite/natural look.

I like white wheels!

i bought some 56 fatties in natural after buying some white ones, and i agree, they feel like a different wheel. can't say for sure the white ones slid better, but they did seem to handle crust a little better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyz on March 26, 2021, 03:12:57 PM
Took a chance on these darkroom wheels...50mm 99a, and wide...seems like a rounded conical. Held up next to my 53mm classic’s they are wider. Haven’t ridden them yet so will report back results.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/bfb2084865c1ed2ebf272d7a060d6817/fa64aeab4a0e3f01-59/s1280x1920/bf5495cc49d70acacb0d6b44bc0a7716de2f400a.jpg)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/9e57358bd97e91e903898d6bb98bb3d1/fa64aeab4a0e3f01-04/s1280x1920/bdba957cf65fcb6d429525b43e76af2df51949cb.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2021, 04:00:10 PM
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Meant to post yesterday, but be wary of NFG MFG rn. You may be getting smaller wheels than the ones you bought.

I ordered 56mm Vee shape Production Seconds and they ended up being an average of 54.5mm. One of the wheels also had two fat grooves that deformed the riding surface.

I don't know if the grooves are only found in the Production Seconds (as this is more than a cosmetic defect) but from emailing NFG and speaking to a friend that rides a lot of NFG, the wrong wheel sizing is consistent along all the wheels.

I don't mean to shit on NFG MFG since the wheels they put out are REALLY great, but I wish they were more transparent about this on their website as there's no mention of this problem. I'm still riding the wheels and they're great (especially for the price if you don't mind an ugly wheel). I hope they manage to fix this issue soon.

Until then, I'd personally buy one size bigger than the one you want (ie if you want 56mm, buy 58mm), or bug your local and measure them in person :v

Side note: buy calipers if you want to enter a whole new level of gear madness.
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I have some other brand wheels that had issues to look at but still skated fine.

There was also a set or too I messed up with the angle grinder when I was reshaping them down, but they also skated fine and if I didn't think about it, there was nothing to worry about, but they look all kinds of messed up.

Set them up and skate them and let people know, cause for a "second" wheel, at a good price, they might be worth it, or they might not.
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Yeah currently skating them as said in my previous post, so far no problems and the performance is really good although it's only been one 3 hour session at the time of this post. I figured people would want to know about this issue since I know some people take details like that extremely seriously. Also I really did want 56mm wheels instead of 54mm :v (not a big issue)

Yes I know what you mean.

Often when you ride them, they go ok and then you think it is not a worry, but for some people who constantly think about or over think anything to do with a setup, this would be a deal breaker.

After riding used smaller wheels for a while on some other setups, my normal board with 56mm wheels feels so big and so fast and I think "Why did I start riding smaller wheels at all?" but then I go back to my 2ft high shed ramp, or skating carparks and then remember smaller wheels have their place too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2021, 10:01:44 PM
Took a chance on these darkroom wheels...50mm 99a, and wide...seems like a rounded conical. Held up next to my 53mm classic’s they are wider. Haven’t ridden them yet so will report back results.

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/bfb2084865c1ed2ebf272d7a060d6817/fa64aeab4a0e3f01-59/s1280x1920/bf5495cc49d70acacb0d6b44bc0a7716de2f400a.jpg)
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I've got a set of 50mm triclops, they are your typical mearthane/creative feeling 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyz on March 27, 2021, 01:10:31 AM
Does that mean good, bad or meh?
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Post by: FUBAR on March 27, 2021, 07:13:47 AM
I want to try a set of those 50mm Triclops...looking to try a wider wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bugsytootsie on March 27, 2021, 07:25:52 AM
Spitfire finally released the 97a formula in a wider size. Thinking bout scooping up a pair.

Anybody have any luck with the classic ones since the release?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 27, 2021, 07:48:28 AM
Spitfire finally released the 97a formula in a wider size. Thinking bout scooping up a pair.

Anybody have any luck with the classic ones since the release?

I have 97a classics and they are great. Take a little of the edge off the crust, slide really nice and consistent. Can’t say enough good stuff about them
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Post by: jay_nev on March 28, 2021, 07:41:06 AM
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Anybody have any luck with the classic ones since the release?
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I have 97a classics and they are great. Take a little of the edge off the crust, slide really nice and consistent. Can’t say enough good stuff about them
yeah I like em too. Even slipped out of a power slide yesterday downhill and slammed my knee bc they slid so well. I pushed a little too hard into the slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 28, 2021, 09:04:37 AM
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Spitfire finally released the 97a formula in a wider size. Thinking bout scooping up a pair.

Anybody have any luck with the classic ones since the release?
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I have 97a classics and they are great. Take a little of the edge off the crust, slide really nice and consistent. Can’t say enough good stuff about them
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yeah I like em too. Even slipped out of a power slide yesterday downhill and slammed my knee bc they slid so well. I pushed a little too hard into the slide

I’m curious how soft they could go with their duro and still keep a reasonable slide because the 97s slide better (more consistently, less jerky) than a lot of 99 and 101 wheels from other brands I’ve tried
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 28, 2021, 09:06:54 AM
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Spitfire finally released the 97a formula in a wider size. Thinking bout scooping up a pair.

Anybody have any luck with the classic ones since the release?
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I have 97a classics and they are great. Take a little of the edge off the crust, slide really nice and consistent. Can’t say enough good stuff about them
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yeah I like em too. Even slipped out of a power slide yesterday downhill and slammed my knee bc they slid so well. I pushed a little too hard into the slide
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I’m curious how soft they could go with their duro and still keep a reasonable slide because the 97s slide better (more consistently, less jerky) than a lot of 99 and 101 wheels from other brands I’ve tried

I love mine too. They are my wheel for life.

In saying that .... Yeah.... I mean I'd try a 95 f4 if they made it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on March 28, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
Has anyone tried 95a OJ elite nomads? Curious how they would compare with a 97 spit f4.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on March 28, 2021, 01:37:16 PM
Has anyone tried 95a OJ elite nomads? Curious how they would compare with a 97 spit f4.

I have tried both. I had the 54mm nomads and the 56mm Classic spitfires. Both perform as advertised. The OJs def feel a little softer but slide just as well as the Spitfires. Speed seems about the same. Both are great for crusty spots or super slippery spots. They really are both a great 'compromise' between cruiser wheels and regular street/ park wheels.  And both are pretty durable but do wear quicker than their harder counter-parts. I could not flat spot or chip either one and I have tried to destroy them both.

If you are used to 99a to 101a wheels you will notice they are slower and do take a bit more effort to get sliding.

You can't go wrong with either one. I back them both for shitty ground, curb thrashing or for a  little extra bite on super slick ground.  I personally prefer the Spitfire as I normally ride F4s and they feel more familiar. I'll stick with 99a F4s for general purposes but I think I'll always have some 97s on hand for shitty spots and winter weather motivators.

I keep meaning to spend a day on some steep hills on both b/c i think they'd be great for controlled power slides at speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 29, 2021, 03:06:54 PM
Does that mean good, bad or meh?

They're meh/no F4 or STF
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2021, 04:58:58 PM
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They're meh/no F4 or STF


After trying out a dozen different brands of wheels last month in a place that had a few different surfaces (road, concrete and wooden ramp) I was amazed at the performance differences of most of the wheels I had, pretty much all the big brands and yeah the only two I considered actually skated well were Spitfire and then Bones, with the OJs elite (USA) formula in third, but that was just our take on them - a few of us all skated them to see what they were like on all three surfaces - but it definitely makes me happy I am riding Spitfire wheels.

That is not to say that all those other wheels were bad, as I know some people like different qualities they have, but coming from Spitfires, nothing else really held up the same and a couple of sets were accidently flatspotted without even trying to smash them, which says a lot.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 29, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
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They're meh/no F4 or STF
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After trying out a dozen different brands of wheels last month in a place that had a few different surfaces (road, concrete and wooden ramp) I was amazed at the performance differences of most of the wheels I had, pretty much all the big brands and yeah the only two I considered actually skated well were Spitfire and then Bones, with the OJs elite (USA) formula in third, but that was just our take on them - a few of us all skated them to see what they were like on all three surfaces - but it definitely makes me happy I am riding Spitfire wheels.

That is not to say that all those other wheels were bad, as I know some people like different qualities they have, but coming from Spitfires, nothing else really held up the same and a couple of sets were accidently flatspotted without even trying to smash them, which says a lot.


The OJ Elites are underrated for sure (as are Ricta, the super slims I have are great, hard and haven't flatspotted yet). You just can't compete with the big three and OJs are only still a thing because of the name legacy and marketing.

It's surprising that Ricta naturals had a such a following back in the day and they just let that fade away..thing is unless you have your own formula (bones, spit) and brand recognition+marketing dollars, it's hard to break in and dominate...sml, wayward, autobahn, satori, hubba, ghetto child...list goes on and on.

And, really all you need is bones or spit depending on what you skate and how you want it to feel. It's the same with trucks...there is really only two camps right now: turny or or less turny but more stable and if it were only Indy or Thunder as your two choices, the world would move on...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyz on March 30, 2021, 12:32:16 AM
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They're meh/no F4 or STF

Ok...really I got these for the size...I wanna try small conical shape to see if I like it or if it makes any difference in my skating.
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Post by: Sativa Lung on March 30, 2021, 03:41:40 AM
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Ok...really I got these for the size...I wanna try small conical shape to see if I like it or if it makes any difference in my skating.

For all y'all that are looking into the small and fat shapes, boardy cakes has a really awesome one called "benchwarmers". They're 48.5mm 99a (creative urethane so not quite f4 but still very good) and fat as fuck. They remind me of the old bones fireballs except maybe a bit wider. The width and CU 99a formula makes them surprisingly capable over rough ground and pebbles and since they're so small you don't have to worry about wheelbite even with low trucks. I've even used them to do some weird setups like 8.4/8.5 decks with loose 8.38 mini logos. I never really got used to skating a wider board that's so low to the ground and twitchy feeling but it's fun to try new stuff and I might revisit the concept at some point in the future.

Don't have a Pic of just the wheels on my phone but here they are on a Watson laminates Foundation deck that's listed as 8.25 but measures closer to 8.38 with 5.5 ATG mag lights

(https://i.imgur.com/yynvYh1.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on March 30, 2021, 06:02:37 AM
interesting to hear some honest reviews of other wheel companies, it doesn't surprise me that spit and bones are top dogs with ricta/OJ close behind. if nothing else, ricta and OJ make great cruiser wheels, plus OJ has the 95a options.

curious how ricta/OJ "feel" in comparison to bones and spit. with bones feeling a little plastic, and spits feeling kinda rubbery. a lot of people use the word "chalky", wonder if that's accurate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 30, 2021, 06:14:09 AM
interesting to hear some honest reviews of other wheel companies, it doesn't surprise me that spit and bones are top dogs with ricta/OJ close behind. if nothing else, ricta and OJ make great cruiser wheels, plus OJ has the 95a options.

curious how ricta/OJ "feel" in comparison to bones and spit. with bones feeling a little plastic, and spits feeling kinda rubbery. a lot of people use the word "chalky", wonder if that's accurate.

Good point about the cruiser wheels. Ricta and Oj soft wheels have performed much better for me than their Spitfire and Bones counterparts, especially in areas of quality control.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on March 30, 2021, 07:42:20 AM
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I have 97a classics and they are great. Take a little of the edge off the crust, slide really nice and consistent. Can’t say enough good stuff about them

Why they wouldn’t start with conical wide 54-58 is beyond me. This wheel should be the slimeball killer. The slimeballs of today are just not like the one’s of the 80’s. I have too many wheels now but 97a conical wide 56mm sounds real good...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on March 30, 2021, 10:32:14 AM
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I have 97a classics and they are great. Take a little of the edge off the crust, slide really nice and consistent. Can’t say enough good stuff about them
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Why they wouldn’t start with conical wide 54-58 is beyond me. This wheel should be the slimeball killer. The slimeballs of today are just not like the one’s of the 80’s. I have too many wheels now but 97a conical wide 56mm sounds real good...
they have some 56 conical full 97s at zumiez right now, only place i have seen them so far. might cop a pair, although i'll probably wait until i can get them from someone else.

https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-conical-full-56mm-97a-teal-natural-skateboard-wheels.html?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=1101153&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwmIuDBhDXARIsAFITC_61WBxf7yLm4QoBpUANjRYzKInikUChbZjDjpC0jdH-9-O63DT4Y2saAvKzEALw_wcB
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lucascbn on March 30, 2021, 10:39:25 AM
hardgood got way too expensive where I live and Im pondering on what wheels to buy.
Love the feel of spitfires classics and F4s, but its costing double the price in here, so if anybody can give any insight on the following possibilities below I'd be very grateful:

- Ojs - regular and conicals
- Bones 100s - v5
- Bones STF - v2
- Pig Wheels Conicals
- Emex Wheels - 102a (probably the worst option).

Any opinion is welcomed, thx
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Post by: Easy Slider on March 30, 2021, 11:06:46 AM
hardgood got way too expensive where I live and Im pondering on what wheels to buy.
Love the feel of spitfires classics and F4s, but its costing double the price in here, so if anybody can give any insight on the following possibilities below I'd be very grateful:

- Ojs - regular and conicals
- Bones 100s - v5
- Bones STF - v2
- Pig Wheels Conicals
- Emex Wheels - 102a (probably the worst option).

Any opinion is welcomed, thx

I‘m running Bones 100s. Coming from Spitfires they felt hella plasticky at first but I got used to them after a few sessions to the point that it doesn‘t bother me. I ride mostly skreets/schoolyards and they are fine but I live in Switzerland where the concrete tends to be rather good quality. I have skated crustier spots too but you might want softer wheels for those. I think they don‘t slide well but maybe it‘s just me who is too bad at sliding. I skate twice a week for ca. 1 hour and in almost one year I rode them down from 52mm to just under 50mm. Hope that helps.
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Post by: lucascbn on March 30, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
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hardgood got way too expensive where I live and Im pondering on what wheels to buy.
Love the feel of spitfires classics and F4s, but its costing double the price in here, so if anybody can give any insight on the following possibilities below I'd be very grateful:

- Ojs - regular and conicals
- Bones 100s - v5
- Bones STF - v2
- Pig Wheels Conicals
- Emex Wheels - 102a (probably the worst option).

Any opinion is welcomed, thx
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I‘m running Bones 100s. Coming from Spitfires they felt hella plasticky at first but I got used to them after a few sessions to the point that it doesn‘t bother me. I ride mostly skreets/schoolyards and they are fine but I live in Switzerland where the concrete tends to be rather good quality. I have skated crustier spots too but you might want softer wheels for those. I think they don‘t slide well but maybe it‘s just me who is too bad at sliding. I skate twice a week for ca. 1 hour and in almost one year I rode them down from 52mm to just under 50mm. Hope that helps.

That for sure helps, man! Thank you for the info
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2021, 12:32:27 PM
interesting to hear some honest reviews of other wheel companies, it doesn't surprise me that spit and bones are top dogs with ricta/OJ close behind. if nothing else, ricta and OJ make great cruiser wheels, plus OJ has the 95a options.

curious how ricta/OJ "feel" in comparison to bones and spit. with bones feeling a little plastic, and spits feeling kinda rubbery. a lot of people use the word "chalky", wonder if that's accurate.

I used to love STFs, then hated them after riding ricta (because they hard glassy wheels), then F4s came out and like many, I bought into the hype and somehow bones became a second rate wheel. Bones feel like you slide on the surface whereas spits feel like I'm digging into it a bit. Stiff prefer SPF or OJ Elites in park...nod to OJs being just as fast but not as slippery; SPFs are not a novice wheel in that regard.

OJ/Ricta don't feel chalky at all these days (the Ricta Chrome cores of old did). Current Ricta are fucking hard wheels, they don't feel plasticky or rubbery (totally agree with you on those two counts) they just feel HARD as nails, which I like. They slide really well, give you a nice loud chirp and they are fast. I'm riding a set of the 101 super slims (the Nyjah wheel); it's basically a much slimmer Radial Slim shape.

Regular Formula OJs always feel like bones 100s. The 'concentrate' line (pp wheel) just avoid like the plague. OG formula on shit terrain they are just fine but feel slow on nice 'crete. Much like the Darkroom Triclops feel, they remind me of the ABS Autobahn wheels or the [years] older .sml 99s. It's that typical US made Creative urethane feel. Completely uncharacteristic and generic feeling wheel that is a bit on the grippy side. Probably a stock formula since it's a 'deckbrand' wheel.

OJ elites are hard but really grippy; people say they don't slide, which just isn't true, they take a little effort but have never slipped out ever for me; just go watch MM skate them at mach-1 and listen to him get them chirping. The hardline shape is amazing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 30, 2021, 07:56:15 PM
hardgood got way too expensive where I live and Im pondering on what wheels to buy.
Love the feel of spitfires classics and F4s, but its costing double the price in here, so if anybody can give any insight on the following possibilities below I'd be very grateful:

- Ojs - regular and conicals
- Bones 100s - v5
- Bones STF - v2
- Pig Wheels Conicals
- Emex Wheels - 102a (probably the worst option).

Any opinion is welcomed, thx

The cost vs the life of the wheel is often overlooked.  If you buy cheaper wheels that flatspot and are not fun to ride, would you think that the more expensive and better riding wheels would be worth it in the long run?

Sure I am a Spitfire Formula Four advocate, mainly because I would rather pay for exactly what I want and have it skate exactly how I know it should, rather than mess around with other options.

Bones will probably give you more joy than any of the others there, if they were your only options, the 100s being the pricepoint option but still a really good wheel, when compared to STF or SPF versions.

The only other thing to say if you are short of cash is if you get a size up in the wheels, they might be weird at first, but they will last longer overall too, not crazy like 60mm if you were used to 50mm, but something more like 54 rather than 52 size.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on March 31, 2021, 12:15:23 AM
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hardgood got way too expensive where I live and Im pondering on what wheels to buy.
Love the feel of spitfires classics and F4s, but its costing double the price in here, so if anybody can give any insight on the following possibilities below I'd be very grateful:

- Ojs - regular and conicals
- Bones 100s - v5
- Bones STF - v2
- Pig Wheels Conicals
- Emex Wheels - 102a (probably the worst option).

Any opinion is welcomed, thx
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The cost vs the life of the wheel is often overlooked.  If you buy cheaper wheels that flatspot and are not fun to ride, would you think that the more expensive and better riding wheels would be worth it in the long run?

Sure I am a Spitfire Formula Four advocate, mainly because I would rather pay for exactly what I want and have it skate exactly how I know it should, rather than mess around with other options.

Bones will probably give you more joy than any of the others there, if they were your only options, the 100s being the pricepoint option but still a really good wheel, when compared to STF or SPF versions.

The only other thing to say if you are short of cash is if you get a size up in the wheels, they might be weird at first, but they will last longer overall too, not crazy like 60mm if you were used to 50mm, but something more like 54 rather than 52 size.

I pay €55 for F4 where I live vs anywhere from €30-45 for other wheels and it's totally worth it. One of the shops has loopholes for €48 that I would buy to try if I didn't already have too many wheels at the moment.

I'm surprised STFs are cheaper by enough to make a difference, but those are great wheels too and I still pick up a set every once in a while because it's all I skated for years before switching to F4.

Buying lesser wheels (unless for a very specific niche like Boardycakes or some cruiser wheels) is always a mistake for me since F4s are noticeably better wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 31, 2021, 01:12:22 AM
F4s actually last longer than regular wheels so the pricing isn’t that bad, as someone else said go up a size and you’ll definitely be able to extend their life. Loopholes are great wheels, in fact they are all I’m rocking at the moment, but there is some consistency problems at least from my experience
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on March 31, 2021, 05:47:03 AM
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interesting to hear some honest reviews of other wheel companies, it doesn't surprise me that spit and bones are top dogs with ricta/OJ close behind. if nothing else, ricta and OJ make great cruiser wheels, plus OJ has the 95a options.

curious how ricta/OJ "feel" in comparison to bones and spit. with bones feeling a little plastic, and spits feeling kinda rubbery. a lot of people use the word "chalky", wonder if that's accurate.
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I used to love STFs, then hated them after riding ricta (because they hard glassy wheels), then F4s came out and like many, I bought into the hype and somehow bones became a second rate wheel. Bones feel like you slide on the surface whereas spits feel like I'm digging into it a bit. Stiff prefer SPF or OJ Elites in park...nod to OJs being just as fast but not as slippery; SPFs are not a novice wheel in that regard.

OJ/Ricta don't feel chalky at all these days (the Ricta Chrome cores of old did). Current Ricta are fucking hard wheels, they don't feel plasticky or rubbery (totally agree with you on those two counts) they just feel HARD as nails, which I like. They slide really well, give you a nice loud chirp and they are fast. I'm riding a set of the 101 super slims (the Nyjah wheel); it's basically a much slimmer Radial Slim shape.

Regular Formula OJs always feel like bones 100s. The 'concentrate' line (pp wheel) just avoid like the plague. OG formula on shit terrain they are just fine but feel slow on nice 'crete. Much like the Darkroom Triclops feel, they remind me of the ABS Autobahn wheels or the [years] older .sml 99s. It's that typical US made Creative urethane feel. Completely uncharacteristic and generic feeling wheel that is a bit on the grippy side. Probably a stock formula since it's a 'deckbrand' wheel.

OJ elites are hard but really grippy; people say they don't slide, which just isn't true, they take a little effort but have never slipped out ever for me; just go watch MM skate them at mach-1 and listen to him get them chirping. The hardline shape is amazing.

thanks for the good info in this post.

to throw in my 2 cents about bones 100s, they aren't bad for a price point wheel. they work on a lot of different surfaces, but they are a little slower and less durable than say an STF.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lucascbn on March 31, 2021, 06:33:38 AM
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hardgood got way too expensive where I live and Im pondering on what wheels to buy.
Love the feel of spitfires classics and F4s, but its costing double the price in here, so if anybody can give any insight on the following possibilities below I'd be very grateful:

- Ojs - regular and conicals
- Bones 100s - v5
- Bones STF - v2
- Pig Wheels Conicals
- Emex Wheels - 102a (probably the worst option).

Any opinion is welcomed, thx
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The cost vs the life of the wheel is often overlooked.  If you buy cheaper wheels that flatspot and are not fun to ride, would you think that the more expensive and better riding wheels would be worth it in the long run?

Sure I am a Spitfire Formula Four advocate, mainly because I would rather pay for exactly what I want and have it skate exactly how I know it should, rather than mess around with other options.

Bones will probably give you more joy than any of the others there, if they were your only options, the 100s being the pricepoint option but still a really good wheel, when compared to STF or SPF versions.

The only other thing to say if you are short of cash is if you get a size up in the wheels, they might be weird at first, but they will last longer overall too, not crazy like 60mm if you were used to 50mm, but something more like 54 rather than 52 size.

Those are good points, I probably gonna get some bones 100s size 54s.

F4s will be the main choice for those listed points no doubt, the problem is that it doubled the price. The set went from R$220 or something to R$400 plus, just insane.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on March 31, 2021, 12:00:24 PM
i have the conical fulls in 97a 56mm and have been very impressed. might ride them exclusively, much smoother in the streets than the 99s and my knees are thanking me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on March 31, 2021, 12:15:26 PM
i have the conical fulls in 97a 56mm and have been very impressed. might ride them exclusively, much smoother in the streets than the 99s and my knees are thanking me
yeah 97a are the truth. riding 54mm classics but the 56 conical full are on my list
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sammyz on March 31, 2021, 04:54:38 PM
so reporting back on the Darkroom wheels.

comparing to what i've ridden recently, it feels similar to the OJ Nora wheels i have, which are 101a. The only difference is on rougher surfaces it rolls really slow, but on smooth surface its feels the same, albeit its 99a.

The biggest difference is the size, and at 50mm i had no wheel bite last night...i ride thunders with forged baseplate, and this size is great for that.

What i would love is a 50mm conical from Spitfire...but i now have some many wheels that i cant justify buying another set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: antarctica on April 01, 2021, 09:58:39 AM
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on April 01, 2021, 10:49:14 AM
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.

I think classics are more forgiving for everything except rough ground.

So, if you're going fast and ollieing over stuff, conicals are great. But if you're doing anything else, classics make everything a little easier. They're lighter, and the rounded edges are more forgiving for flip tricks, grinds, and ledge tricks. But they don't roll quite as well over rough stuff.

That's my experience at least.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lucascbn on April 01, 2021, 10:51:54 AM
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.

I also would like to hear some opinions on that. Im kind of getting over conicals lately.
I skate mainly ledges, manuals and flat.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on April 01, 2021, 12:11:58 PM
Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.

The straight edges of conicals lock in your grinds harder, but in doing so they slow your grinds down a bit compared to classics. Also, classics make it easier to get out of grinds. The wider surface area of a conical will give you more grip, but the increased grip and square edge makes them harder to slide than classics. The radials sit in between conicals and classics, and provide a good balance imo. I ride 99a 56-58mm classics and radials.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on April 01, 2021, 05:10:10 PM
Was rotating my wheels today and just had to stop and admire them. 53mm F4 Classics worn down to probably about 49mm, the perfect wheel. That is all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 01, 2021, 07:39:11 PM
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Going to post this in the spitfire thread aswell but what are the pros and cons of classics vs conical shaped wheels? Ive been riding only conical shaped wheels pretty much forever but lately ive been kindve eyeing some classics so im curious of the performance diffrences.
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The straight edges of conicals lock in your grinds harder, but in doing so they slow your grinds down a bit compared to classics. Also, classics make it easier to get out of grinds. The wider surface area of a conical will give you more grip, but the increased grip and square edge makes them harder to slide than classics. The radials sit in between conicals and classics, and provide a good balance imo. I ride 99a 56-58mm classics and radials.

Yes this is well put.

Classic round shapes (which I usually ride) with the rounder edge are much easier to get on and off coping, or edges on street too, even when they are worn down some and still have a slightly rounded edge.  Some have said it is much easier to crooked grind on classics too.  At least one guy who is usually on conical shaped wheels didn't like the classic shape and said he felt like he was slipping out of grinds as there was not a sharp edge to hold him on the coping.

Conical shaped wheels (that I have on a few boards but not my preferred shape) feel a lot more grippy on coping and don't get on and off as easily, which some people prefer, but always made a couple of people I know say they felt much better locking into rails and edges than classics.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 05, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Been doing a lot of slappydayz due to an ankle tweak and conicals or a side cut work best for me, in larger sizes and the wider the truck, the better (so I don't 'catch' whatever the fuck wheel shape I'm on). Groooves > wheels shape. I'm now on 159s.

Classics /V1s on rounded/worn curbs, while easier to get on (especially for crookslaps) were way easier to slip out on going fast...if I was off just a little bit I was out..more so on classics; I guess you pick your poison here = easy in and keep the lock or tougher in, easier lock?

Tablets or V2s, I'd get my front truck on and end up willying the slap unless I paid special attention to getting the back truck on (something I don't think one should need to do). Really bizarre but I really had to force it.

Conicals, got me on and locked in without having to worry about speed or form +bonus on square double sided curbs (sitting on top) I'd get a nice lock if I had truck wiggle room (vs a smaller truck) if i wasn't locked on (new trucks/no grooves).

Taller wheels helped a ton due to having more overhang to grab the curb vs smaller wheels (49/50mm spit classics at speed I slipped out like crazy on anything but full truck contact) 50/50 no issues; been skating with a dude who has perfect curb huggin slappy trucks...his wheels never touch...the trucks are bigger than the curbs with grooves to lock him in...he just sits there grinding for days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on April 05, 2021, 10:16:11 PM
finally got some good slappies down and I'm riding the PFC 53s. Haven't ridden a wheel this small in a long time and am having fun. The wheels feel good and grippy but slide better than the Bones STFs I'd been riding prior. I hope they last and stay nice for a while
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 05, 2021, 11:35:19 PM
Anyone want to do a product swap with US and Japan? PFC aren’t shipping here at the moment and I really want a pair...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on April 09, 2021, 02:03:49 PM
i’ve been on dial tone wheels for a month now and the bearings are popping out of some of them, has this happened to any of you? it’s been happening since i first started riding them but they still haven’t worn in
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on April 11, 2021, 03:39:51 PM
https://www.chemsfb.com/product/street-rat-skateboard-wheels-53mm

Creative urethane 83b/103a for those who like the really hard stuff. Looks like a similar or same "fat classic" mold as the PFC. The guy sells mostly fingerboards but when he gets skate stuff made its usually really good (and he uses clutch O shape for his decks so that's an automatic like from me).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: phlap on April 11, 2021, 03:45:22 PM
I just switched back from some 53mm F4 101a Conical Fulls back to 54mm Jart 103a Classics, and the difference is night and day.

Reverts in particular seem a lot less... consistent? It's hard to pin down exactly what's different, but the thinner contact patch makes reverts feel a lot less reliable than on the conical fulls, despite the harder urethane. (Could just be that F4's have spoiled me.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jtrpma on April 12, 2021, 04:49:01 PM
Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2021, 05:22:57 PM
Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...


Spitfire 56mm 97a Conical Fulls

You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on April 12, 2021, 06:32:46 PM
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Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...

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Spitfire 56mm 97a Conical Fulls

You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
are they heavy being that wide? My NFG vcut are super wide and can feel the heft
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on April 13, 2021, 09:01:10 AM
Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...

i too am curious about wheels like these. I have 56 bones wide's that are decent on sidewalk, but 99a still seems a little hard. basically same dims as spitfire conical full.

not to shill too hard but i have some 57 mil dogtown 80's street 97a that never touched pavement, too wide for what i wanted, if you're interested.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on April 15, 2021, 10:29:41 AM
ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on April 15, 2021, 10:34:23 AM
ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.
youll love em. where did you order from?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on April 15, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
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ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.
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youll love em. where did you order from?
Sounds great! I ordered at skatewarehouse. They are not available in Germany as far as I know and are still a bit cheaper incl. Intl shipping within 5 working days. Hopefully this will work out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on April 19, 2021, 01:16:44 AM
god damn reading this shits makes me wanna pull the trigger on some 55mm 97a classics so bad

gotta wear out the SML AG formulas first though. Real nice wheel btw
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on April 19, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
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ordered 56s 97a full conicals today and really look forward hitting the streets with them. Right now I skate bones stf 99a. Want more comfy rides to the spots and hope the 97a will perform better although I liked the bones my knees asked for softer wheels. Had the OJ nomads on my list but they don't seem to be available at the moment.
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youll love em. where did you order from?
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Sounds great! I ordered at skatewarehouse. They are not available in Germany as far as I know and are still a bit cheaper incl. Intl shipping within 5 working days. Hopefully this will work out.

US to Germany from last Thursday til today is really fast and so are the F4 full conicals 97a 56mm. I took of my now approximately 49mm Bones ex 53mm 99a (don't know the exact shape anymore). The shape is massive compared to my last wheels but damn it, they roll smooth and hold the speed so goood. (With almost 10 year old bones swiss ceramics). They add 100g to my board which I have to bring up but it is just more wheel... 50g vs 75g. Expected them to be kinda softer but on most of the grounds I took them they just rolled and rolled. No Problem with Tailslides/boardslides on beton ledges, goodockin to grinds, Good revert/powerslide control. Overall I am a happy man. Thanks for the recommendations
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 21, 2021, 03:53:34 PM
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Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...

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Spitfire 56mm 97a Conical Fulls

You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
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are they heavy being that wide? My NFG vcut are super wide and can feel the heft

Could really tell as I have them set up with 159s on an 8.625" the whole set-up is hefty.

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i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
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Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99’s as far as ease and consistency of slide

Not that I wasn't 100% sure of it before, but I happened to bring two setups with me today, one with the older 'bones white' 99a STF EZ streets the other with 99a STF (the natural/dirty bird color) - the thanes are totally different; they clearly changed it up [for the worse] when they went to the natural color.

On medium-rough terrain the 99a EZs felt like a 101 in comparison to the 99a stfs, which felt soft and mushy (something I noted the other day riding my V2s after the 97a spits).

In fact, the F4 97a feel and sound harder than the current natural colored 99a STFs and feel and sound closer to the older 99a EZ streets. I'm officially back of Bones 99a once these EZs are toast...but the 97a F4s are just too good!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 26, 2021, 07:06:23 PM
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Anyone got suggestions for big, wide, hardish wheels for cracked, shitty ground. -like really shitty with patches of weeds, Rocks, goose shit and no point in cleaning it.
No soft juice stuff, I got some Powell ssl that are nice for cruising but too sticky for what I am thinking of.

I am usually riding 58 conical full f4s that are nice and thought of getting something like cubes or the roadcrew scram wheels, maybe those wide ojs, anyone got experience with a few or can help me with those, thanks!

Also wasn’t there a big wheels thread? Can’t find it...

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Spitfire 56mm 97a Conical Fulls

You'll love them, they're amazing wheels (sadly I iced mine today tho as they are wider than what I want right now; switched back to Bones V2s and now I can straddle those double sided curbs all they way locked in!!)
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are they heavy being that wide? My NFG vcut are super wide and can feel the heft
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Could really tell as I have them set up with 159s on an 8.625" the whole set-up is hefty.

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i wish there was a wheel more slippery then stf 104a..
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i felt f4 101a's were more slippery than the spf 104s and stf 103s
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To confuse matters further, I feel that my F4 99’s are more slippery than my F4 101’s
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you aren't the only one. and a lot of people say stf's are more slippery than spf's. who knows...
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mght as well go with stf 99a for street then...

too broke for f4 its like 60cad for a set
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Oddly enough, the 99a Stfs I’ve had are pretty grippy and don’t slide very well. At least the newer ones. When they first came out the white ones slid comparably to f4 but the natural color ones after those seem drastically different
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It's true, the white EZ streets slide waaaaaay better than the current natural colored 99a STFs (previously dirty birds?). You can still get the white EZs but it's old stock and usually 54mm+
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Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed. I thought the white ones were pretty comparable to F4 99’s as far as ease and consistency of slide
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Not that I wasn't 100% sure of it before, but I happened to bring two setups with me today, one with the older 'bones white' 99a STF EZ streets the other with 99a STF (the natural/dirty bird color) - the thanes are totally different; they clearly changed it up [for the worse] when they went to the natural color.

On medium-rough terrain the 99a EZs felt like a 101 in comparison to the 99a stfs, which felt soft and mushy (something I noted the other day riding my V2s after the 97a spits).

In fact, the F4 97a feel and sound harder than the current natural colored 99a STFs and feel and sound closer to the older 99a EZ streets. I'm officially back of Bones 99a once these EZs are toast...but the 97a F4s are just too good!

Interesting! I hadn’t thought to compare the F4 97’s with the original easy streets, but I can see the similarities for sure. The easy streets are slower, imo, but the feel is similar
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 26, 2021, 07:23:50 PM
Comparisons between F4, 97a conical fulls and NFGmfg 95a Vee shape.

The F4’s feel a little harder, are slightly faster and slide more consistently and cleaner. I do, however, like the NFG a lot because the slightly softer feel is nice and they still slide nice. Somehow, I like the slide and feel on these better than their standard formula. Plus I have a weird fascination with NFG and Loophole wheels. One interesting thing is that these seem to slide better than the standard formula Vee shapes I have. I don’t know if the harder formula catches on the ground more during power slides (because the edges are so flat and the softer formula might allow the sharp edges more give? Speculation.), or if it’s some friction thing I don’t understand or some other mysterious property of urethane. Whatever it is, I feel more comfortable power sliding the 95’s at speed.

Anyway, I’d like to try the NFG 95’s in the classic shape next time they come around so I can compare them with the F4 97’s in the classic shape I have. I actually like the f4 classic shape in 97 better than the conical full so I imagine I’ll like the NFG’s a lot too.

Hope that all makes sense. Long day today haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 26, 2021, 08:11:54 PM
I back your loophole fetish— my 56mm V-cuts are hands down the best wheel I’ve ever ridden!!!! But yes, there is consistency issues because my 52mmm teardrops don’t slide nearly as good as the 56s despite them being the same durometer (I even asked them if they have different durometers for their regular wheels).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on April 27, 2021, 12:00:39 AM
i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 27, 2021, 04:40:11 AM
i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?

I think they are a small time place that has no interest (or need) to ship to places other than US, as I would be keen to try some in AU as well, but that isn't happening any time soon, as they easily sell out of all their stock locally.

NFG / Loophole do have their products in some US shops, who might ship internationally, but right this minute I cannot think of who has any in stock, even though I follow a lot of shop accounts and their own accounts on Instagram.

The best bet might be tee up someone locally to buy and send them, but I think it will work out more expensive than buying other / better wheels more locally, eg 95a OJs, 97a Spitfire or even some Bones that feel much softer than 99a, and I know the price of Spitfires especially are pretty steep over there.


EDIT:

I went digging and it looks like they don't have any 95s in stock and it was only a limited thing anyway.  From their facebook page that came up on a google search:

NFG MFG
1 December 2020 ·
Our 95a formula is small batch and wont be around for long. Created for crusty spots. Slides like the original with a bit more grip.
Get yours while you still can!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 27, 2021, 05:26:52 AM
I back your loophole fetish— my 56mm V-cuts are hands down the best wheel I’ve ever ridden!!!! But yes, there is consistency issues because my 52mmm teardrops don’t slide nearly as good as the 56s despite them being the same durometer (I even asked them if they have different durometers for their regular wheels).

Haha I’m glad I’m not the only one with the weird fascination

Agreed on the consistency issues, slide wise. I have two sets of squares and they both slide a little different, especially when they were new. One set was ice slick at first then broke in to be standard non F4 wheel grippiness (like OJ or most of the other non F4, non stf I’ve tried. Will slide with some force and good technique, but don’t just break out easy). The other started off fairly grippy. The Vee shapes I have in standard formula don’t slide that well at all. They all feel similar and good when rolling though. Interesting!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on April 27, 2021, 10:15:48 PM
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i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?
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I think they are a small time place that has no interest (or need) to ship to places other than US, as I would be keen to try some in AU as well, but that isn't happening any time soon, as they easily sell out of all their stock locally.

NFG / Loophole do have their products in some US shops, who might ship internationally, but right this minute I cannot think of who has any in stock, even though I follow a lot of shop accounts and their own accounts on Instagram.

The best bet might be tee up someone locally to buy and send them, but I think it will work out more expensive than buying other / better wheels more locally, eg 95a OJs, 97a Spitfire or even some Bones that feel much softer than 99a, and I know the price of Spitfires especially are pretty steep over there.


EDIT:

I went digging and it looks like they don't have any 95s in stock and it was only a limited thing anyway.  From their facebook page that came up on a google search:

NFG MFG
1 December 2020 ·
Our 95a formula is small batch and wont be around for long. Created for crusty spots. Slides like the original with a bit more grip.
Get yours while you still can!

thx for the reply brimson, much appreciated.

yeah i guess i'll try my luck maybe whenever they drop next hopefully, maybe a pal in the us can help me out then or something. at least getting loopholes is not a problem over here, really want to try them after i'm through with my current set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on April 27, 2021, 10:41:28 PM
I can get mad loopholes here if anyone wants to do a pals trade for some PFCs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 02, 2021, 06:54:27 AM
Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bunk Moreland on May 02, 2021, 01:02:06 PM
Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
I think they’re the same urethane. Ive had a couple sets of smls over the years, they’re alright. I’ve been feeling these satori 101s. I think they might be the same as the others too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 02, 2021, 08:26:59 PM
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Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
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I think they’re the same urethane. Ive had a couple sets of smls over the years, they’re alright. I’ve been feeling these satori 101s. I think they might be the same as the others too.


Yes I believe it has been said they are all from Creative Urethanes, who produce wheels for many of the smaller brands, including Dialtone, Satori, Sml (who also use another wheel manufacturer for their very bright white compound)

http://creativeurethanes.com/

https://www.creativewheelsusa.com/

Pretty cool to see the videos of production from the second link.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 02, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
loopholes over sml for me but sml certainly get the job done and are a must if you love white wheels!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on May 02, 2021, 10:24:51 PM
Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)

I'm on some V1 Easy Streets now but was riding some SML V-Cuts 99a before them. They're a good wheel but take a bit more work to break into powerslides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 02, 2021, 10:32:56 PM
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Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
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I'm on some V1 Easy Streets now but was riding some SML V-Cuts 99a before them. They're a good wheel but take a bit more work to break into powerslides.

Oh cool! That is the wheel and shape I’m ridding at the moment too! Amazing wheels but I just wanna retire them and try something different.
Ended up getting Sml’s, and it seems that they are the AG formula. Read it feels more like spitfires and the OG formula more like Bones... let’s see how they feel in a few days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on May 02, 2021, 10:41:09 PM
Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on May 02, 2021, 10:53:52 PM
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Anyone here have any insight on SML or Dialtone's?

Looking at these two at the moment:
- https://www.soohotrightnow.com/en/shop/product/sml-pall-pencil-pushers-wheels-99a-53mm/
- https://www.skatedeluxe.com/de/dial-tone-atlantic-conical-rollen-white-53mm-99a-4er-pack_p142552

I want a 53mm, V-cut/conical, 99a. I was ridding Bones Easy Streets but I wanna go back to support smaller wheel brands... (I refuse to pay 60 euros for F4's)
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I'm on some V1 Easy Streets now but was riding some SML V-Cuts 99a before them. They're a good wheel but take a bit more work to break into powerslides.
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Oh cool! That is the wheel and shape I’m ridding at the moment too! Amazing wheels but I just wanna retire them and try something different.
Ended up getting Sml’s, and it seems that they are the AG formula. Read it feels more like spitfires and the OG formula more like Bones... let’s see how they feel in a few days.

Mine also took a while to break in, but I was only skating twice a week at the time for 1-2 hours a session. I was riding the OG formula too so i'm not sure how the AG formula feels in comparison. I'd definitely pick more up in the future. I switched to Bones V1's only because I wanted something a bit lighter and nimble after recovering from my quad strain and losing some strength.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on May 03, 2021, 03:46:41 PM
Apparently Arizona Iced Tea makes wheels these days. Anyone have any production info?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMFn1ZGgSCa/?igshid=1mxizmsyhlja3
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 03, 2021, 06:19:31 PM
Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\

I think they either realised that trying to look like Spitfire F4 was not going to work, or just thought they were not as good, so went back to normal white wheels, as all the current lot as per some I just got are white, not natural or any other weird colour.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2021, 08:00:28 PM
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Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\
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I think they either realised that trying to look like Spitfire F4 was not going to work, or just thought they were not as good, so went back to normal white wheels, as all the current lot as per some I just got are white, not natural or any other weird colour.



Only the 99a STF come in the 'dirty bird' brown (which they now just label as 99a STF). Everything else that is the 'bones white' is still 103a/83b.

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/street-tech-formula-tm?soc_wheel_hardness%5B0%5D=99a&soc_wheel_hardness%5B1%5D=103a

I recently posted about this, the OG EZ streets that were 99a and 'bones' white feel so much better than the spongy 99a STF 'naturals' they're selling now (I have set of each and the 99a Ez streets in white feel like 97a spits)...I wouldn't put it past them that they are using the 100 thane for these as they feel THAT different.

Old/discontinued
(https://bones.com/bones-wheels-stf-easy-streets-skateboard-wheels-v1-standard-52mm-99a-4pk)
(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/524x524/method/padding/v/88d5/WSCAESTD15499W4.jpg)


Current color
(https://bones.com/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/giveaway/2019/BONES_EasyStreets_DirtyBirds_Flyer_1280x720.jpg)

After riding 97a spit f4 and 99a F4 and 99a current natural bones, I went back to a very old set of the white 99a bones ez streets and prefer them over the current 99a bones, so much so that I will only skate the 83b bones STFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 03, 2021, 08:20:04 PM

I guess these might not look white, but they don't seem off white / natural or dirty bird coloured in real life.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZWEAAOSw6yBgRZGc/s-l500.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on May 03, 2021, 09:20:47 PM
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Been itching for some Bones lately. Just a bummer they started making most of them brown this year :-\
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I think they either realised that trying to look like Spitfire F4 was not going to work, or just thought they were not as good, so went back to normal white wheels, as all the current lot as per some I just got are white, not natural or any other weird colour.


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Only the 99a STF come in the 'dirty bird' brown (which they now just label as 99a STF). Everything else that is the 'bones white' is still 103a/83b.

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/street-tech-formula-tm?soc_wheel_hardness%5B0%5D=99a&soc_wheel_hardness%5B1%5D=103a

I recently posted about this, the OG EZ streets that were 99a and 'bones' white feel so much better than the spongy 99a STF 'naturals' they're selling now (I have set of each and the 99a Ez streets in white feel like 97a spits)...I wouldn't put it past them that they are using the 100 thane for these as they feel THAT different.

Old/discontinued
(https://bones.com/bones-wheels-stf-easy-streets-skateboard-wheels-v1-standard-52mm-99a-4pk)
(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/524x524/method/padding/v/88d5/WSCAESTD15499W4.jpg)


Current color
(https://bones.com/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/giveaway/2019/BONES_EasyStreets_DirtyBirds_Flyer_1280x720.jpg)

After riding 97a spit f4 and 99a F4 and 99a current natural bones, I went back to a very old set of the white 99a bones ez streets and prefer them over the current 99a bones, so much so that I will only skate the 83b bones STFs.

Didn't get a chance to ride the original Easy Streets but the newer 99a definitely felt mushy, I would rank it below a F4 99a in terms of hardness.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on May 04, 2021, 07:57:39 AM
weighing on on the OG white easy streets vs natural 99 stfs, i'd agree that the white ones felt better.

the white ones felt hard and fast but really absorbed the rough ground, had that bones plasticky feel but in a good way. these naturals just don't have the same shock absorption on rough streets. idk if id go so far to say they feel mushy, but they just feel unremarkable.

i will say the OG whites wore down fast, and broke down in a weird way, i recall seeing "strings" of urethane coming off on my set. that's the only negative i can think of vs the natural ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gnarles Mingus on May 04, 2021, 09:29:48 AM
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i asked nfg if they would ship a few sets of 95a wheels to europe but got no reply.

anyone knows a eu shop that somehow carries them or could i just order on their site anyways?
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I think they are a small time place that has no interest (or need) to ship to places other than US, as I would be keen to try some in AU as well, but that isn't happening any time soon, as they easily sell out of all their stock locally.

NFG / Loophole do have their products in some US shops, who might ship internationally, but right this minute I cannot think of who has any in stock, even though I follow a lot of shop accounts and their own accounts on Instagram.

The best bet might be tee up someone locally to buy and send them, but I think it will work out more expensive than buying other / better wheels more locally, eg 95a OJs, 97a Spitfire or even some Bones that feel much softer than 99a, and I know the price of Spitfires especially are pretty steep over there.


EDIT:

I went digging and it looks like they don't have any 95s in stock and it was only a limited thing anyway.  From their facebook page that came up on a google search:

NFG MFG
1 December 2020 ·
Our 95a formula is small batch and wont be around for long. Created for crusty spots. Slides like the original with a bit more grip.
Get yours while you still can!

I'm currently riding the nfg 95a's (56mm, v-shape) and enjoy them quite a bit. Mostly skating curbs and cruising the neighborhood, but my aging knees appreciate the reduced hardness. Nice and grippy with decent enough slide. Very stoked to see the new loophole video that just premiered too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2021, 09:42:24 AM

I guess these might not look white, but they don't seem off white / natural or dirty bird coloured in real life.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZWEAAOSw6yBgRZGc/s-l500.jpg)

Old stock maybe? Googling the fatties brings up the same white looking wheels, anything else looks brown, even the bones V6 section is all browntown.

It's too bad, good wheel and I liked them over the 99a Spit F4. My guess is the marketing took over...they went from EZ streets to Dirty Birds (to match up with F4 coloring) then just defaulted back to 99a STFs but now brown.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on May 04, 2021, 12:11:38 PM
(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/524x524/method/padding/v/88d5/WSCAESTD15499W4.jpg)

Yeah this color is what I need. 99A V5. I have zero initiative to buy brown Bones wheels. It's even in the name ::) I hope they see this and get their stuff together. This Dirty Birds stuff is not going to cut it. If it comes down to it I'll get the wheels in 103A, but at that point OJ Hardlines are looking a little bit more solid as they grip more.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bigbevev on May 04, 2021, 01:38:48 PM
I miss teenage runaway wheels, that is all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on May 04, 2021, 03:29:49 PM
Idk why some of yall want it to look like Biebel is smiling underneath your set ups. Even before the brand new potato color wheel trend, I couldn't wait for my new wheels to get dirty when I was growing up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on May 04, 2021, 03:38:06 PM
i don't dislike white wheels, it's just with bones they used to turn into this disgusting neon piss yellow. that actually made me buy a pink set of bones once just because i was fed up with them looking like some glow in the dark type wheels after a few weeks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 04, 2021, 06:48:37 PM

From skating a lot on a certain ramp painted red from a long time ago now, it didn't matter what colour (white) the wheels were they would always end up this weird orangy colour from the ramp.

That is more my Spitfires than another guy who had Bones wheels, but I have seen other brands do this too, depending on formula, eg usually the more milky translucent coloured wheels would absorb the terrain colour more so than the bright plastic looking white wheels, that never seemed to change colour.

I have Bones STF wheels that are still new in package, from maybe ten or more years ago that are still whiter than anything that is coming out now, including those 99s and other ones that I bought some of, which are new current stock.  The SPF wheels from the same time also still new in pack are more yellowed than new natural F4 Spitfires, so it always made me wonder what goes into the formula of the wheel that would have such a lasting effect on the colour.

Older Spitfires in classic formula go almost dark brown over time, along with some that go pinkish brown and another set that have gone greenish brown, all still new in packaging and kept out of light, so go figure.  Anything under fluorescent shop counter lights or direct sunlight usually went off colour very quickly.

It might be fun to lay some out and take pics of them to compare, when I have a minute.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 04, 2021, 07:12:41 PM
NFG MFG has an Indiegogo crowdfunding thing going on. The link is on their Instagram.

You can choose from 95a and 52D (101a) wheels in Teardrop, Square and Vee shapes. They also offer hoodies, shirts, hats etc.

I’m glad to see those 95a’s as I missed out on them last time.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 04, 2021, 07:37:45 PM
NFG MFG has an Indiegogo crowdfunding thing going on. The link is on their Instagram.

You can choose from 95a and 52D (101a) wheels in Teardrop, Square and Vee shapes. They also offer hoodies, shirts, hats etc.

I’m glad to see those 95a’s as I missed out on them last time.

Looks like a good way to do it.

Thanks for the info, Instagram post and details here too...


www.indiegogo.com/projects/high-performance-skateboard-wheels-by-nfgmfg

Well worth a look and a read (and purchase if so inclined to get those 95a duro wheels).



nfg_mfg
We’ve decided to start an indiegogo crowdfunding campaign as a way to pre-book our new summer catalog! Now is your chance to help our small business raise some much needed money for equipment and get yourself some awesome new gear in the process. Click the link in our bio and check it out!


https://www.instagram.com/p/COdklsMlHIN/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 05, 2021, 06:25:11 AM
If they are willing to ship o/s, I’m keen to give them some of my hard-earned
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank on May 05, 2021, 01:01:32 PM
If they are willing to ship o/s, I’m keen to give them some of my hard-earned

they have some items where it says shipping worldwide. no clue if that's just a mistake, since most the stuff ships to us only. but there is a double set of 95a vee shapes where it says ships worldwide down at the bottom of the scroll list and a t-shirt pack and some more wheels, but only double packs i think. very good deals though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 05, 2021, 05:21:36 PM
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If they are willing to ship o/s, I’m keen to give them some of my hard-earned
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they have some items where it says shipping worldwide. no clue if that's just a mistake, since most the stuff ships to us only. but there is a double set of 95a vee shapes where it says ships worldwide down at the bottom of the scroll list and a t-shirt pack and some more wheels, but only double packs i think. very good deals though.

Someone asked in comments on that post and the reply was...


"nfg_mfg
Not currently although we are looking into it, if possible contact your local shop and ask them to reach out to us!"


Makes sense to try to get the product into the local shops rather than have to send individually - expensive shipping small packages to individuals and the cost is not worth it, even if the recipient is willing to pay full shipping costs, which would usually work out more expensive than buying wheels from a local shop in whatever country anyway.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 08, 2021, 10:22:50 AM
So my new town is a little more historic and I’m finding my 99as to be too damn hard. I’ve legit never used anything but basic ass 99a 54mm shit. I’m wondering if anyone has any recs for something quite a bit softer, but still okay for simple flat shit. I just cruise, so some curbs and pressure flips these days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on May 08, 2021, 11:16:56 AM
Hate to be that guy but picking wheels is the one thing I’ve never fully understood. I skate mostly street (not too tech) but also some park so am looking for a solid in between wheel. I’m riding an 8.5 with venture 5.8s, and am around 170. Was skating F4 52mm radials but they’ve worn down to be too small to ride any ramps. Switched back to my older 54mm tablets for the time being and found I really don’t like how slow and draggy they felt. I’m down to play with different brands and shapes too. Anyone got any recs? If you’d wanna explain why you’re reccing them to me that would be awesome, hopefully I can get a better idea of what I should be looking for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 09, 2021, 04:07:55 AM
So my new town is a little more historic and I’m finding my 99as to be too damn hard. I’ve legit never used anything but basic ass 99a 54mm shit. I’m wondering if anyone has any recs for something quite a bit softer, but still okay for simple flat shit. I just cruise, so some curbs and pressure flips these days.

A lot of people have been enjoying Spitfire F4 97 duro wheels, and others have been riding and like the OJs in 95 too, so those are probably the best and more widely available options for slightly softer wheels without going to the "soft wheel" options which are more like cruiser wheels.

Depends what is available to you as well, but most of those come in good sizes 54mm or so, the Spitfires in classic and conical full shapes too, the OJs in a medium to wider profile.



Hate to be that guy but picking wheels is the one thing I’ve never fully understood. I skate mostly street (not too tech) but also some park so am looking for a solid in between wheel. I’m riding an 8.5 with venture 5.8s, and am around 170. Was skating F4 52mm radials but they’ve worn down to be too small to ride any ramps. Switched back to my older 54mm tablets for the time being and found I really don’t like how slow and draggy they felt. I’m down to play with different brands and shapes too. Anyone got any recs? If you’d wanna explain why you’re reccing them to me that would be awesome, hopefully I can get a better idea of what I should be looking for.


Lots of brands out there, most of which are much of a muchness (lots even made in the same place) but the two that stand out as far as quality and durability are Spitfire Formula Four and Bones wheels, so depending on where you are, what is available and how much you want to pay, you can either get any other option (usually for less) or get the good stuff - Bones or Spitfires.

Shape does have a lot to do with it, classic / thinner riding surface in rounder shapes are the most common for everything, but as per your radials and tablets, some are more squared off than others too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2021, 10:57:55 AM
So my new town is a little more historic and I’m finding my 99as to be too damn hard. I’ve legit never used anything but basic ass 99a 54mm shit. I’m wondering if anyone has any recs for something quite a bit softer, but still okay for simple flat shit. I just cruise, so some curbs and pressure flips these days.

97a Spitfire F4s

Hate to be that guy but picking wheels is the one thing I’ve never fully understood. I skate mostly street (not too tech) but also some park so am looking for a solid in between wheel. I’m riding an 8.5 with venture 5.8s, and am around 170. Was skating F4 52mm radials but they’ve worn down to be too small to ride any ramps. Switched back to my older 54mm tablets for the time being and found I really don’t like how slow and draggy they felt. I’m down to play with different brands and shapes too. Anyone got any recs? If you’d wanna explain why you’re reccing them to me that would be awesome, hopefully I can get a better idea of what I should be looking for.

What was the duro of each set? Perhaps you need a harder wheel depending on what your streets are like? Do you like to grip or slide easy?

In terms of hardness (first being hardest)

Bones STF
OJ Elite (underrated because they are grippy at times)
Ricta (also underrate especially if you like hard wheels that slide)
Spitfire F4 101
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on May 09, 2021, 11:20:38 AM
What was the duro of each set? Perhaps you need a harder wheel depending on what your streets are like? Do you like to grip or slide easy?

In terms of hardness (first being hardest)

Bones STF
OJ Elite (underrated because they are grippy at times)
Ricta (also underrate especially if you like hard wheels that slide)
Spitfire F4 101

the 52mm radials were 99a, the 54mm tablets were 101a. i'm in the bay so the roads can get kinda bumpy and uneven but they're not the worst. i don't do a ton of powerslides, more slappies, chill flat ground, and some park.

Lots of brands out there, most of which are much of a muchness (lots even made in the same place) but the two that stand out as far as quality and durability are Spitfire Formula Four and Bones wheels, so depending on where you are, what is available and how much you want to pay, you can either get any other option (usually for less) or get the good stuff - Bones or Spitfires.

Shape does have a lot to do with it, classic / thinner riding surface in rounder shapes are the most common for everything, but as per your radials and tablets, some are more squared off than others too.

I've always rode spitfire and never had a problem, but do you think based of what i'm looking for I should try bones? Would a rounded and thinner wheel or squared and wider wheel be more ideal for my type of skating? Don't mean to badger with questions, I'm just trying to get a good understanding before I send a new set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on May 10, 2021, 11:24:07 PM
So my new town is a little more historic and I’m finding my 99as to be too damn hard. I’ve legit never used anything but basic ass 99a 54mm shit. I’m wondering if anyone has any recs for something quite a bit softer, but still okay for simple flat shit. I just cruise, so some curbs and pressure flips these days.

I skate shitty pavement all the time so I've tried a lot of the softer wheels. Mini logo hybrids are too soft and don't slide, so I'd say avoid those unless you just want a cruiser wheel in a street shape. Creature/OJ bloodsucker 97a are really good but might be a little bigger than youre used to. If you come across those and are into bigger wheels I definitely recommend them, good balance of comfort and slide.

Overall my favorite softer wheel is definitely the NFG 95a 54mm squares though. They slide like a hard wheel but soak up cracks and hold speed over rough stuff really well. They're nearly impossible to find right now but they're supposed to be releasing more soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on May 10, 2021, 11:47:03 PM
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So my new town is a little more historic and I’m finding my 99as to be too damn hard. I’ve legit never used anything but basic ass 99a 54mm shit. I’m wondering if anyone has any recs for something quite a bit softer, but still okay for simple flat shit. I just cruise, so some curbs and pressure flips these days.
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Overall my favorite softer wheel is definitely the NFG 95a 54mm squares though. They slide like a hard wheel but soak up cracks and hold speed over rough stuff really well. They're nearly impossible to find right now but they're supposed to be releasing more soon.

Do they perform on par with a Spitfire Soft D 95a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on May 11, 2021, 08:28:14 AM
thought the NFG 95a was noticeably slower than the F4 97a, which makes sense as the spits are obviously harder.
But it was also the NFG Vee shape, super wide contact patch, versus the F4 97a classic shape. But the spits take rough ground so well even still.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JANUS on May 11, 2021, 09:11:02 AM
I live in an area with some really, really shitty pavement. It is unpleasant to skate a set of 99s from the house to the waxed curbs. So I bought some 54 mm OJ nomads for skating around my area. My initial impressions are pretty favourable. They roll quite smoothly on the mid-shitty streets, and full shitty streets are no longer unpleasant. They’re not necessarily pleasant, either, but I cannot fault the wheels for that. They handle parking lots and curbs very nicely. The shape of the wheel feels pretty similar to my tablets, and flipping the board felt normal. The wheels don’t feel bouncy, either. Grinding the curb felt totally normal. Nose and tail slides felt good, the wheels did feel a bit sticker than what I am used to at first, but they definitely slide well. I’ve only skated them for a few hours so far, but I am liking them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on May 12, 2021, 09:35:50 AM
anyone ever actually have trouble with dirty wheels being slippery on slick surfaces, or am i just looking for a reason to baby my new wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 12, 2021, 09:52:50 AM
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So my new town is a little more historic and I’m finding my 99as to be too damn hard. I’ve legit never used anything but basic ass 99a 54mm shit. I’m wondering if anyone has any recs for something quite a bit softer, but still okay for simple flat shit. I just cruise, so some curbs and pressure flips these days.
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I skate shitty pavement all the time so I've tried a lot of the softer wheels. Mini logo hybrids are too soft and don't slide, so I'd say avoid those unless you just want a cruiser wheel in a street shape. Creature/OJ bloodsucker 97a are really good but might be a little bigger than youre used to. If you come across those and are into bigger wheels I definitely recommend them, good balance of comfort and slide.

Overall my favorite softer wheel is definitely the NFG 95a 54mm squares though. They slide like a hard wheel but soak up cracks and hold speed over rough stuff really well. They're nearly impossible to find right now but they're supposed to be releasing more soon.

I was looking at OJs in general but they’re sold out in the duros I wanted. You confirmed what someone else said about Mini Logos feeling even softer than stated. I wound up getting a set of Slime Balls 97a 53mm. Gonna keep the NFGs and OJs on my radar though. Kind of itching to build another setup with high trucks and bigger wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bigdave on May 12, 2021, 12:50:26 PM
How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones

This is an old one, but looking for any other feedback on PWC (other than being made at Creative, are they still?)

I just ordered a set of REALLY wide 55mms. Should be here tomorrow. Realizing a wider wheel on mini ramp is a good idea for control purposes. I think they're 25.5mm contact!!
https://www.unheardpdx.com/james-martin-55mm/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on May 12, 2021, 11:11:37 PM
Anyone have any opinions on satori? Specifically their 99a stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 13, 2021, 08:31:14 AM
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How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones
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This is an old one, but looking for any other feedback on PWC (other than being made at Creative, are they still?)

I just ordered a set of REALLY wide 55mms. Should be here tomorrow. Realizing a wider wheel on mini ramp is a good idea for control purposes. I think they're 25.5mm contact!!
https://www.unheardpdx.com/james-martin-55mm/

PWC = good dudes, very average wheels. I'd love to support them but after riding F4s, I just can't. You'll likey get a solid set of wheel but the won't be as fast, durable or flat spot resistant as an F4/ Bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lazer69 on May 13, 2021, 11:39:59 PM
i keep getting chunks taken out of my wheel. The bs crooked grind pinch wheel. Im riding spitfire classics. Its happened before too on other wheles but happen quicker and worse now. Any wheels that this doesnt happen to?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bigdave on May 14, 2021, 06:38:24 AM
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How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones
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This is an old one, but looking for any other feedback on PWC (other than being made at Creative, are they still?)

I just ordered a set of REALLY wide 55mms. Should be here tomorrow. Realizing a wider wheel on mini ramp is a good idea for control purposes. I think they're 25.5mm contact!!
https://www.unheardpdx.com/james-martin-55mm/
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PWC = good dudes, very average wheels. I'd love to support them but after riding F4s, I just can't. You'll likey get a solid set of wheel but the won't be as fast, durable or flat spot resistant as an F4/ Bones.

As always F&F thank you for the feedback!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on May 14, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
Is Satori poured by Creative? I've been skating some for the past month and a half and they are performing very good, like surprisingly good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on May 14, 2021, 03:53:04 PM
I need to get some wheels for some kids learning how to skate (6 year old) that are somewhere in between a cruiser wheel and a hard wheel. they basically skate on this terrible parking lot next to their house.

Should I get them SML Big Dreams 92a in 54 or Mini Logo 53 90a?  or does it not really matter at that age.

and are the SML Coffee Cruisers worth checking out? (for myself)

Mini Logo hybrids 90a, great for the price.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TurdyBird on May 14, 2021, 04:58:10 PM
Been digging my satori 54mm conicals but they feel pretty heavy, which makes sense.

Down to get more Satori wheels but might get a different wheel shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gaunting on May 16, 2021, 07:56:00 PM
I need to get some wheels for some kids learning how to skate (6 year old) that are somewhere in between a cruiser wheel and a hard wheel. they basically skate on this terrible parking lot next to their house.

Should I get them SML Big Dreams 92a in 54 or Mini Logo 53 90a?  or does it not really matter at that age.



and are the SML Coffee Cruisers worth checking out? (for myself)

I recently bought the coffee cruisers in 52. they are amazing. I set them up on one of my 8” street boards for crusty spots. they obviously don’t slide, but they roll over anything, and are the perfect size to still flip your board on the shitty ground. they have an asymmetrical shape to them, like spitfire lock-ins.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on May 22, 2021, 12:55:07 PM
Been digging my satori 54mm conicals but they feel pretty heavy, which makes sense.

Down to get more Satori wheels but might get a different wheel shape.

They're CU, so if you like that formula you can always try something in the same duro from like dialtone/nikired/orbs/prize fighter etc. I really like the prize fighter shape, it's like a classic profile but the width of a conical full. Kind of gives you the best of both worlds, and as a bonus PFC is a really awesome small east coast company (the kind that I'm always down to support). Plus I'm pretty sure if you post a DOA with prize fighters on it in the setup thread it's like a mandatory minimum of 5 gnars.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on May 22, 2021, 01:11:36 PM
Need some opinions/feedback/insight from the wheel nerd crowd. Between my commute and spending the majority of my free time at work skating in a parking lot thats exposed to the lovely Pittsburgh winters, I skate a lot of crust. Even though F4 99a is still my gold standard, over the last year or so I've started to experiment with slightly softer duros (95-97a) and it definitely makes a difference in both comfort and speed.

Right now I'm skating the 95a NFG crust formula in the square shape which is the best softer wheel I've tried, but I'm thinking of grabbing something a little wider just to really be able to plow through the piles of rock salt and pebbles. What insight/feedback do you guys have on:

- Spitfire F4 97a formula - The conical fulls are popping up all over the place (and then quickly selling out) and 54mm conical full 99a is the mark against which I measure all other wheels. Do they slide like an f4 99a?

- OJ nomad 95a elite - OJ makes the best price point wheel in my opinion (from concentrate) and I really like the hardline shape.

- Slime Balls 97a - I have a set of the creature/OJ bloodsuckers in 56mm hardline. I don't know if these are the same formula or not, but if they are then that's a definite plus since I know that one slides well and handles rough terrain well. I know these are kind of a very mildly asymmetrical conical which caught my eye.

Most important thing for me is the slide... if I need something for just straight cruising then I've got mini logo hybrids. The NFG formula slides almost perfectly but the next run of 95a V cuts won't be out until the fall according to their indiegogo. If the 97a F4 has even like 85% of the 99a's slideability then I'm leaning towards those, but if they're sticky then I'll probably go slimeball since those seem to be a fairly safe bet. Nomads are a wildcard but I am curious about them.

Thanks nerds (and I use that as a term of respect and endearment). 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 22, 2021, 03:04:39 PM
@Buttfart Rapedick the Spit 97s slide like F4s, 100%. Been back and forth between my 56 Conical Full 97s and my 54 Tablet 99s and the difference in slide is minimal. The 97s are grippier and take slightly more effort to break into a slide, but once you're in it they have that same smooth feeling and bark.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 22, 2021, 03:37:56 PM
Need some opinions/feedback/insight from the wheel nerd crowd. Between my commute and spending the majority of my free time at work skating in a parking lot thats exposed to the lovely Pittsburgh winters, I skate a lot of crust. Even though F4 99a is still my gold standard, over the last year or so I've started to experiment with slightly softer duros (95-97a) and it definitely makes a difference in both comfort and speed.

Right now I'm skating the 95a NFG crust formula in the square shape which is the best softer wheel I've tried, but I'm thinking of grabbing something a little wider just to really be able to plow through the piles of rock salt and pebbles. What insight/feedback do you guys have on:

- Spitfire F4 97a formula - The conical fulls are popping up all over the place (and then quickly selling out) and 54mm conical full 99a is the mark against which I measure all other wheels. Do they slide like an f4 99a?

- OJ nomad 95a elite - OJ makes the best price point wheel in my opinion (from concentrate) and I really like the hardline shape.

- Slime Balls 97a - I have a set of the creature/OJ bloodsuckers in 56mm hardline. I don't know if these are the same formula or not, but if they are then that's a definite plus since I know that one slides well and handles rough terrain well. I know these are kind of a very mildly asymmetrical conical which caught my eye.

Most important thing for me is the slide... if I need something for just straight cruising then I've got mini logo hybrids. The NFG formula slides almost perfectly but the next run of 95a V cuts won't be out until the fall according to their indiegogo. If the 97a F4 has even like 85% of the 99a's slideability then I'm leaning towards those, but if they're sticky then I'll probably go slimeball since those seem to be a fairly safe bet. Nomads are a wildcard but I am curious about them.

Thanks nerds (and I use that as a term of respect and endearment).

Honestly, I can’t compare to F4s, but the Slime Ball 97as I have aren’t stick at all. Feels like you’re skating a 99a except now the ride is subtly smoother and pebbles aren’t a big deal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on May 23, 2021, 09:00:17 AM
I don't know if this has already been posted, but I just wanted to put this out there for those who are NFG supporters, too.

I'd like to see these guys thrive and crowdfunding where you actually get product in return is different from a gofundme where you just hand people money.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/high-performance-skateboard-wheels-by-nfgmfg#/

I do wonder why it takes significantly longer for them to manufacture their popular 95a formulation. Secret sauce?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on May 23, 2021, 08:03:01 PM
Has anyone tried some of the new Ricta wheels? 52-54mm in the 99-101a range? Thoughts?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on May 23, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
thought the NFG 95a was noticeably slower than the F4 97a, which makes sense as the spits are obviously harder.
But it was also the NFG Vee shape, super wide contact patch, versus the F4 97a classic shape. But the spits take rough ground so well even still.

Interesting. I'm still trying to decide whether to get the 97a spits or slimeballs. If they had a 53 conical full 97a f4 it would probably make the decision for me, even though 54mm is what I consider my "standard" wheel I've been skating low trucks more frequently so I'm a bit more wary of size right now. Obviously I can't speak for the 97 spits, but the 95A NFG squares seem to be as fast or faster than a 99a tablet in my usual shitty rough cracked lot.


Honestly, I can’t compare to F4s, but the Slime Ball 97as I have aren’t stick at all. Feels like you’re skating a 99a except now the ride is subtly smoother and pebbles aren’t a big deal.

Sounds like its probably the same as the OJ/Creature formula then. That's a plus. I don't skate mine all that often because they're 56mm and black/red swirl is pretty ugly on a lot of setups, but every time I do it reminds me how much I like them. They're the unquestioned october/november acorn crushing champions too.

I need to get some wheels for some kids learning how to skate (6 year old) that are somewhere in between a cruiser wheel and a hard wheel. they basically skate on this terrible parking lot next to their house.

Should I get them SML Big Dreams 92a in 54 or Mini Logo 53 90a?  or does it not really matter at that age.

and are the SML Coffee Cruisers worth checking out? (for myself)


ML has a newer hybrid formula thats 95a. It's a little less cruiser-y than the 90s which feel like you're skating on bouncy balls. They do somewhat slide (the 90s are super sticky) but it takes quite a bit of effort. None of that really matters if the kids are just going to be pushing around a lot and not doing tricks, so I'd probably just get whatever you can find cheapest at your local.


Is Satori poured by Creative? I've been skating some for the past month and a half and they are performing very good, like surprisingly good.

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How are waywards and Portland wheel company’s ?

I heard good things about wayward but I feel since I’m good with bones why even try another wheel when they’re bones
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This is an old one, but looking for any other feedback on PWC (other than being made at Creative, are they still?)

I just ordered a set of REALLY wide 55mms. Should be here tomorrow. Realizing a wider wheel on mini ramp is a good idea for control purposes. I think they're 25.5mm contact!!
https://www.unheardpdx.com/james-martin-55mm/
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PWC = good dudes, very average wheels. I'd love to support them but after riding F4s, I just can't. You'll likey get a solid set of wheel but the won't be as fast, durable or flat spot resistant as an F4/ Bones.

Satori and PWC are both creative. They aren't as good as F4 but I'd still class them as well above average. I have some PWC and Jivaro (same distro and probably same formulas/molds) and they're miles ahead of what I'd consider baseline (ML 101a or bones 100 would be an average wheel in my book). I think I'd probably describe them as a better version of the spitfire classic formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 23, 2021, 09:51:11 PM
Sounds like its probably the same as the OJ/Creature formula then. That's a plus. I don't skate mine all that often because they're 56mm and black/red swirl is pretty ugly on a lot of setups, but every time I do it reminds me how much I like them. They're the unquestioned october/november acorn crushing champions too.

Santa Cruz owns Slimeball and Creature iirc. Would make sense. I got 53mm white ones to avoid setup clash and wheel bite. I have some mini logo A cut 2s in 58mm coming tomorrow. Got high ventures to accommodate my girth though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on May 23, 2021, 11:09:27 PM
I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 24, 2021, 12:12:02 AM
I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...

Amazing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 24, 2021, 12:43:56 AM
I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...

The lowering of duros in skate wheels is a great indicator for the decline of US infrastructure.

I predict that in 10 years we will be hitting up longboarders for their old 78as.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2021, 03:05:47 AM
I don't know if this has already been posted, but I just wanted to put this out there for those who are NFG supporters, too.

I'd like to see these guys thrive and crowdfunding where you actually get product in return is different from a gofundme where you just hand people money.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/high-performance-skateboard-wheels-by-nfgmfg#/

I do wonder why it takes significantly longer for them to manufacture their popular 95a formulation. Secret sauce?


The more posts, hopefully the more awareness and more interest.

From the look of it, things have been flat out and they just don't have the time or the setup to handle two different formulas at the same time, hence only doing their standard hard wheel as much as they can and needing crowdfunding to get things happening, as well as getting a feel for how much interest there is for a 95 formula wheel as well.

I would imagine that they would sell out of everything they make easily enough, but if they made way too few or way too many of the softer wheel, there would be issues either way.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on May 24, 2021, 07:05:30 AM
About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 24, 2021, 07:32:30 AM
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I think F4's will be available in a 95 this year...
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The lowering of duros in skate wheels is a great indicator for the decline of US infrastructure.

I predict that in 10 years we will be hitting up longboarders for their old 78as.
What’s fucked up is this is almost feasible in Small Town America. Mine is fantastic. Topped a few big lists of best small towns to live in. Our main roads are legit 70% crust though. I dropped to 97a and I can comfortable skate the sidewalks now at least. On asphalt though my feet go numb from the rumbling.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2021, 09:22:24 AM
Small town USA?  How about San Fran? 

Re Powell: I emailed Powell at least 5 years ago about ditch tech and George actually sent me out wheels to try, they were too soft, I think it was the rough rider formula cut into a regular shape.  After I gave feedback, he sent me the 81b park formulas. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 24, 2021, 09:33:41 AM
About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.

I hope this is true, DTFs were the shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jay_nev on May 24, 2021, 09:56:54 AM
@Buttfart Rapedick i sold @Sundaynuggets my 54mm VEE 95a NFG wheels and he's been sliding on them a bunch, he says. Maybe he can chime in some more on that - and compared to 97a I think he's rode too.

Did find TOO MUCH of a benefit with the 95a over 97a from my limited usage and small selection of spots/pavement.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on May 24, 2021, 10:43:38 AM
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About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.
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I hope this is true, DTFs were the shit

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 24, 2021, 10:54:25 AM
Small town USA?  How about San Fran? 

Re Powell: I emailed Powell at least 5 years ago about ditch tech and George actually sent me out wheels to try, they were too soft, I think it was the rough rider formula cut into a regular shape.  After I gave feedback, he sent me the 81b park formulas.
That’s rad. To answer your question, I imagine if my podunk little Burgh can’t keep up, San Fran is but fucked. Maybe if they stopped chasing homeless people and started teaching them to pave it’d all be swell.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 24, 2021, 07:49:01 PM
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I don't know if this has already been posted, but I just wanted to put this out there for those who are NFG supporters, too.

I'd like to see these guys thrive and crowdfunding where you actually get product in return is different from a gofundme where you just hand people money.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/high-performance-skateboard-wheels-by-nfgmfg#/

I do wonder why it takes significantly longer for them to manufacture their popular 95a formulation. Secret sauce?
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The more posts, hopefully the more awareness and more interest.

From the look of it, things have been flat out and they just don't have the time or the setup to handle two different formulas at the same time, hence only doing their standard hard wheel as much as they can and needing crowdfunding to get things happening, as well as getting a feel for how much interest there is for a 95 formula wheel as well.

I would imagine that they would sell out of everything they make easily enough, but if they made way too few or way too many of the softer wheel, there would be issues either way.

I work in the chemical industry and right now is the worst time to be cash strapped. Lead times are the longest I’ve ever seen and prices on raw material is way up along with transit cost. I feel for them but they have a lot of things working against them.

As for soft wheels that is all I ride now cause it’s easier on my joints and feet. I’ve been riding the following on my Dane 1:

58 mm key frames. Awesome wheel but slow. For a 87 duro you still feel somewhat connected to the ground and they power slide really well. Buy good bearings for this wheel and you will have fun. Doesn’t chip.

54 mm sml wheels Succulent Dreams 92 duro. @cliff this wheel is so much fun and it doesn’t feel much slower than my F4 99 duro. Slide is fine. Can’t slide on a ledge too far but power slides no problem. I have even run on a popsicle deck and barely noticed I was on a cruiser wheel. Also doesn’t chip.

My personal thought is that 97a is too similar to 99a.

I think 95a is the old school sweet spot. But I have not run that duro in 30 years. I may just get the sml 92a in 56 mm if they make it in white. That or OJ Nomads 95a if they make a 56-58 mm. Right now it looks like 54mm is the biggest.

Since I will probably only skate Dane 1s for the foreseeable future I believe 56-58 mm 92a-95a is the ideal wheel for me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2021, 08:07:26 PM
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About 5 months before the pandemic Bones was working on a new 95a DTF (Ditch tech formula). They sent out samples and people raved about them and they were supposed to land about a year ago. Then Covid. Once they get manufacturing back full steam I would expect to see them.
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I hope this is true, DTFs were the shit
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https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

DTF were amazing wheels and I might even still have the set I used to commute to work around 2005, an easy ride for the few kms / miles from free parking near Paddo skatepark into the CBD and the skate shop job.

I recall they were soft enough to absorb all the bumps and could still slide over bitumen / asphalt easily, but was so surprised when I was sliding on a wet patch as they slipped out so quickly, so whatever went into them was so very different from any other wheel I have ever skated.

Something like this, not the same graphic though


(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71NYb26%2B1qS._AC_SL1000_.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gary Bucket on May 25, 2021, 09:04:31 AM
Went from bones 103a spf to spitfire classic f4 101s. First attempts at nose slides on a ledge I usually blast right through have not gone well so far. User error?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FROTHY on May 25, 2021, 09:10:06 AM
Went from bones 103a spf to spitfire classic f4 101s. First attempts at nose slides on a ledge I usually blast right through have not gone well so far. User error?
F4s cannot be blamed for unsatisfactory noseslide results.


Speedlabs, my friends, are good wheels. I have some 101As with Bronson G3s, and they are fast as hell on concrete.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on May 25, 2021, 10:33:33 AM
Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 25, 2021, 12:29:13 PM
Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.

Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 25, 2021, 04:28:55 PM
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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.
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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.

The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on May 25, 2021, 04:34:18 PM
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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.
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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.
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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.
Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 25, 2021, 07:42:58 PM
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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.
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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.
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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.
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Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?

Probably because their target market wouldn’t notice or care. Not sure you had slime balls in 88’ but I don’t think the current formula is the same. Maybe I am falling victim to ‘every thing was better when...’ but I feel like they are not as good now. RainSkates uses their old vendor so I think these are the closest wheels to old slime balls.

https://sk8supply.com/collections/wheels/products/rainskates-mini-tsunami-wheels-59mm-95a-green
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on May 25, 2021, 09:16:41 PM
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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.
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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.
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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.
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Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?
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Probably because their target market wouldn’t notice or care. Not sure you had slime balls in 88’ but I don’t think the current formula is the same. Maybe I am falling victim to ‘every thing was better when...’ but I feel like they are not as good now. RainSkates uses their old vendor so I think these are the closest wheels to old slime balls.

https://sk8supply.com/collections/wheels/products/rainskates-mini-tsunami-wheels-59mm-95a-green
Teamriders or GTFO. They were pretty fucking hard for 97a and they lasted forever but probably because they only came in 61mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on May 26, 2021, 06:26:45 AM
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Anybody seen those Natas OJs in 95a and 58mm?Total old guy bait but I’d stick my hand in that trap to grab em out.
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Yup. I rode 97a creature wheels out of nostalgia and they sucked. They were dry, rough and slow. I even e-mailed NHS to ask what was wrong. I think the elite formula is fine but the regular formula is terrible. I love the shape and size of those Natas wheels but I think I’ll stick with Keyframes.
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The 'from concentrate' or regular OJs are fucking terrible. Elite urethane only if you have to ride the juice.
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Until these posts, I didn't realize there was a difference within OJs lineup. When I saw them the other day, I tried to figure out if they were the same formula as the Nomads but figured if they were, they would say so. Wonder why they didn't use the Elite 95a? Authenticity?

i imagine the nomads are a high-quality version of their urethane, based on price if nothing else...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NyjahsDad on May 26, 2021, 04:43:36 PM
So, I've tried all of the Ricta cruisers and my favorite out of the three are the red accented Ricta Cloud 86A cruisers. The light blue 78's were waay too bouncy, even though I liked how incredibly effortless it was to push around with. The black accented 92A ditchriders seemed a little too hard for me, being used to riding Spitfire 80HD's for two years. I really wish Spitfire made wheels with a durometer between 85 and 92, because I'm so used to their Classic shape. I'm more of a tech skater, so its really strange that I like soft wheels, but living in Florida where the streets are rough as fuck from the rain, if I skate normal wheels above 95 hardness it feels like I'm skating with rocks on my trucks and when I pop to do anything I slide all over the place. I also ride a relatively smaller board (8.1) with small Indy Mids, so that might be why I like to grip the pavement a little more. It doesn't effect my nose and tailslides enough for me to care. If anyone can point me in the direction of a rounder 53-54 mm wheel that is between 85 and 92, preferably made by Spitfire, I can finally stop obsessing over this part of my set up. I saw that Spitfire made a new Classic shaped wheel in 53mm that was a bit harder than 85 but I can't find them anywhere.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 26, 2021, 05:51:34 PM
Not Spits, but I just got some Mini Logo A Cuts in 90a 58mm and they’re fucking amazing. They might be a little wide for your liking though: they’re conical outside edges and classic inner edges. Patch is like 30-33mm depending on size.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NyjahsDad on May 26, 2021, 07:43:24 PM
I'd rather the outside be round cuz I flip my board around a lot, also looking for wheels that are 53-54 mm specifically. I'll take a look at Mini thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 26, 2021, 08:16:30 PM
I'd rather the outside be round cuz I flip my board around a lot, also looking for wheels that are 53-54 mm specifically. I'll take a look at Mini thanks.

I ride these and they are wide round classics

https://www.smlwheels.com/shop/succulent-cruiser-iris-54mm-92a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NyjahsDad on May 26, 2021, 09:00:42 PM
Don't mind a wider wheel as long as they're rounder, do they make 53mm?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthunderw on May 26, 2021, 09:31:49 PM
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Went from bones 103a spf to spitfire classic f4 101s. First attempts at nose slides on a ledge I usually blast right through have not gone well so far. User error?
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F4s cannot be blamed for unsatisfactory noseslide results.
Hahaha too true.

Sorry if you already had, but I thought it was a rule thumb to put a few miles on your new wheels or at least like an hour of skating before you start sliding them. The idea is that you can wear off some of the initial stickiness and help prevent flat spots. Disclaimer: Just something I heard as a kid and never saw a reason to do otherwise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 26, 2021, 09:41:50 PM
So, I've tried all of the Ricta cruisers and my favorite out of the three are the red accented Ricta Cloud 86A cruisers. The light blue 78's were waay too bouncy, even though I liked how incredibly effortless it was to push around with. The black accented 92A ditchriders seemed a little too hard for me, being used to riding Spitfire 80HD's for two years. I really wish Spitfire made wheels with a durometer between 85 and 92, because I'm so used to their Classic shape. I'm more of a tech skater, so its really strange that I like soft wheels, but living in Florida where the streets are rough as fuck from the rain, if I skate normal wheels above 95 hardness it feels like I'm skating with rocks on my trucks and when I pop to do anything I slide all over the place. I also ride a relatively smaller board (8.1) with small Indy Mids, so that might be why I like to grip the pavement a little more. It doesn't effect my nose and tailslides enough for me to care. If anyone can point me in the direction of a rounder 53-54 mm wheel that is between 85 and 92, preferably made by Spitfire, I can finally stop obsessing over this part of my set up. I saw that Spitfire made a new Classic shaped wheel in 53mm that was a bit harder than 85 but I can't find them anywhere.

Unless you are very lucky and know someone that still has some, or have a time machine or are a pro rider for Spitfire, the only Spitfire wheels that are commercially available are the 80HD, 97, 99 and 101 duro wheels.

Time machine = the last catalog that had the 92 and 95 Soft D's was around 2016, so five years ago, as per picture below.

Pro rider for Spitfire = TNT recently posted a set of 95 duro wheels they made for him, but at this stage that was a one off and there are no known plans for softer wheels again.


I had a lot of these over the years and although they were perfect for super slippery or rough ground, they did lose their shape, flatspot and have quality issues that often meant they didn't last or became unrideable, but they worked for the things I skated them on.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring16/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring16/img/spring16/28_SOFTDS-800.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 28, 2021, 01:01:20 AM


Uprise posted some new Reed wheels and although I have never seen them here in AU, I think that shape looks pretty good, not to mention they always look so much better when presented like this, so whoever does the posts for Uprise should get a pay rise too.

Making me want things I do not need...



https://www.instagram.com/p/CPWDO-4Jw3i/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 28, 2021, 06:52:46 AM


Uprise posted some new Reed wheels and although I have never seen them here in AU, I think that shape looks pretty good, not to mention they always look so much better when presented like this, so whoever does the posts for Uprise should get a pay rise too.

Making me want things I do not need...



https://www.instagram.com/p/CPWDO-4Jw3i/

I think one of the slap patron saints , Marisa dal santo skates for or is some how affiliated with reed wheels. I think it was mentioned in her bunt interview.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 28, 2021, 12:17:51 PM
Been thinking about this cut for a while now, thankfully my bud John at Acid Chem Co. let me come in and bug the shit out of him to do this shape and landed on two different cut options.   

Wanted to get fellow wheel nerd's thoughts on the two cuts below - both 101a with Acid's REM formula (will do 99a too), same riding surface with an outer radius cut.

Inner:
- The shape up top has a deeper 'lock-in' cut
-The bottom shape's cut isn't as deep with more radius

Been riding both the past couple days and I am torn, the functionality is the same but I feel like the visual perspective will make a big difference. One thing I really like is not having to use 3 spacers on ace classic 44s, this cut gives full grind clearance.   

(https://i.ibb.co/n6LrWrc/Screen-Shot-2021-05-28-at-7-59-37-AM.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/SVyr92s/Screen-Shot-2021-05-28-at-7-59-57-AM.png)

Damn, they look very nice. Any chance, I can get a 99a, 53mm version in Europe?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on May 28, 2021, 10:06:43 PM
hey guys, was in a bit of a dilemma
skate mostly street, looking for a bigger wheel (skate 53s atm) so im stuck between

bones stf 99a v5 55mm
or
Spitfire F4 99a classic 55mm

kinda leaning towards the classics cuz thinner wheel better for fliptricks but the bones are a bit cheaper
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 29, 2021, 12:47:34 AM
hey guys, was in a bit of a dilemma
skate mostly street, looking for a bigger wheel (skate 53s atm) so im stuck between

bones stf 99a v5 55mm
or
Spitfire F4 99a classic 55mm

kinda leaning towards the classics cuz thinner wheel better for fliptricks but the bones are a bit cheaper

Have you had Bones and Spitfire F4 before?

They are both very good wheels, but also so very different in how they feel and ride.

I am a Spitfire guy myself, but I know a lot of people ride Bones as they are the longest lasting and least likely to flatspot of everything, even if it is by a very slim margin compared to F4s.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on May 29, 2021, 02:51:21 AM
hey guys, was in a bit of a dilemma
skate mostly street, looking for a bigger wheel (skate 53s atm) so im stuck between

bones stf 99a v5 55mm
or
Spitfire F4 99a classic 55mm

kinda leaning towards the classics cuz thinner wheel better for fliptricks but the bones are a bit cheaper

Spitfire for my money, but the skinniness of the classics could be an issue for crusty roads. If the Spitfire 97a is available those seem to be the more popular option.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on May 29, 2021, 05:57:41 AM
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hey guys, was in a bit of a dilemma
skate mostly street, looking for a bigger wheel (skate 53s atm) so im stuck between

bones stf 99a v5 55mm
or
Spitfire F4 99a classic 55mm

kinda leaning towards the classics cuz thinner wheel better for fliptricks but the bones are a bit cheaper
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Spitfire for my money, but the skinniness of the classics could be an issue for crusty roads. If the Spitfire 97a is available those seem to be the more popular option.
+ 1 on this.
F4 97 classics is what you want. If is not an option I would go for those 99 Bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on May 29, 2021, 06:11:05 AM
Yeah, I've been skating the 97a F4s for mainly street skating, and can attest that they're solid wheels. Haven't had any issues with their durability, they're not slow, etc.

I did just decide to do something completely different, and I bought some Autobahn dual duro wheels. Never had Autobahns or dual duros before, so I'm interested to see how they compare to the Spits because I've been skating F4s for years. And honestly, I miss skating white wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Smoothbrain1 on May 29, 2021, 09:59:46 AM
Don’t ever buy bones wheels unless you like going slow.
I can hear someone rolling on bones before I even see them because the sound they make is so dull and sluggish.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on May 29, 2021, 12:34:57 PM
Has anyone skated 58s with no risers on Indies or Aces?  I picked up some 58 mm Spitfire F4 OG classics.  I was planning on throwing them on my next setup with some Indy standards or Ace classics.  I usually get wheelbite anyway - just curious if the board will be rideable haha or if I need to invest in some risers.  On some 54s now and I’m feeling the bigger wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PhantomBased on May 29, 2021, 12:40:23 PM
Interested to hear what other people are riding other than Spits or Bones. Did a search and was surprised there wasn't a thread for other wheel manus. There is a great selection of smaller brands... Autobahn, OJ, Broadcast, Paradise, Pusher, SML, PFC, Type S, etc. Definitely interested to hear what people are skating.

Currently on these on these SML Herrington 53 Wides and I love them. They were a little slick for my tastes at first but after a few sessions they're perfect. For anyone that prefers wider wheels they are great:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/SML_herrington_zps8e9c79be.jpg)

Just finished up on OJ Dela 53. Wasn't a big fan of them on first ride, but gave them a revisit and I was pretty psyched:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/DELAwheels1_zps51bc2ab2.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/DELAwheels2_zps8dcd1c42.jpg)

I have these up next, Satori Guru 54:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/satori_guru_zps523a8dcd.jpg)

Just got done skating some nomads for the past four or five months and I really really loved them if you’re looking for a softer will definitely give them a try they don’t slide very good though at least I couldn’t really slide them. Ricta wides I’m skating right now I didn’t think I’d like them but they’re actually a pretty decent will probably comparable to a Spitfire conical I think they use OJs formula somehow cos they’re on nhs. The last wheels I had before all these were oj nomads the regular shape, I really do like this formula. I’m sure there are faster wheels but they lasted forever and never flat spotted. Hope you find something you like! I wanna try satori wheels and acid chemical wheels Donovan rice skates them and swears by them so worth a shot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Rubbrick on May 29, 2021, 01:00:17 PM
I’ve been strictly skating f4’s for the past 5~ Years, or however long it’s been since they came out. I decided to try some OJ elite 99’s, hardline shape and they’re actually really good wheels. Fast, grippy, but slide when you need them too and more longer lasting/durable than f4’s. I haven’t been able to flat spot them and they don’t wear down as fast as f4’s. And they’re bleach white (and stay that way) for people who don’t like the brown tint of f4’s. I still consider myself a spitfire guy, but I would definitely ride another pair of OJ elites
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on May 29, 2021, 03:05:51 PM
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hey guys, was in a bit of a dilemma
skate mostly street, looking for a bigger wheel (skate 53s atm) so im stuck between

bones stf 99a v5 55mm
or
Spitfire F4 99a classic 55mm

kinda leaning towards the classics cuz thinner wheel better for fliptricks but the bones are a bit cheaper
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Have you had Bones and Spitfire F4 before?

They are both very good wheels, but also so very different in how they feel and ride.

I am a Spitfire guy myself, but I know a lot of people ride Bones as they are the longest lasting and least likely to flatspot of everything, even if it is by a very slim margin compared to F4s.

I have had f4 101a and bones 103a stf, since I used to skate harder wheels.
Right now I have some 99a SML ag formula v-cuts and theyre pretty sticky so I want some 99s that actually slide.
I guess my main thing is do bones slide somewhat well as f4s? or are they a lot more sticky (feel like spitfire og formula)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 29, 2021, 10:48:12 PM
Has anyone skated 58s with no risers on Indies or Aces?  I picked up some 58 mm Spitfire F4 OG classics.  I was planning on throwing them on my next setup with some Indy standards or Ace classics.  I usually get wheelbite anyway - just curious if the board will be rideable haha or if I need to invest in some risers.  On some 54s now and I’m feeling the bigger wheels

I skated SPF 58s on some Ace 44s with no risers a few years back and had no issues. Stock bushings, medium loose, 8.5 deck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 29, 2021, 11:16:34 PM
I would like a 66mm f4. That would be the sickest
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on May 29, 2021, 11:20:58 PM
Ended up getting 53mm slime balls and I'm pretty happy with that decision. They're really, really good. Fast as hell and just soft enough to float over cracks and be comfortable. And they slide really well to boot. Now if this weather would fuck off so I can actually skate them...


I have had f4 101a and bones 103a stf, since I used to skate harder wheels.
Right now I have some 99a SML ag formula v-cuts and theyre pretty sticky so I want some 99s that actually slide.
I guess my main thing is do bones slide somewhat well as f4s? or are they a lot more sticky (feel like spitfire og formula)

Bones 99a feel a little sticky, especially on rougher ground. They do slide pretty well on smooth ground but it's definitely a different, softer feel. Haven't tried the 103 in a long time.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 30, 2021, 05:28:03 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPbXNudFiPC/?utm_medium=copy_link
A new contender has entered the ring?
Who is doing their thane⁇
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 30, 2021, 01:22:47 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPbXNudFiPC/?utm_medium=copy_link
A new contender has entered the ring?
Who is doing their thane⁇

I came to ask the same. They look really good!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPfIwpMjkC0/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on May 31, 2021, 10:57:05 AM
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Has anyone skated 58s with no risers on Indies or Aces?  I picked up some 58 mm Spitfire F4 OG classics.  I was planning on throwing them on my next setup with some Indy standards or Ace classics.  I usually get wheelbite anyway - just curious if the board will be rideable haha or if I need to invest in some risers.  On some 54s now and I’m feeling the bigger wheels
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I skated SPF 58s on some Ace 44s with no risers a few years back and had no issues. Stock bushings, medium loose, 8.5 deck


Word - thanks.  Might need to tighten my trucks a little but I’m gonna give it a shot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 31, 2021, 02:24:37 PM
Not to sound like a moron, but I’m thinking I’m not digging my wheels because the patch is so big. I’m looking at some Bones V5s or V2s. Would it be easier to keep speed and pop some shit with smaller/narrower wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on May 31, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
Not to sound like a moron, but I’m thinking I’m not digging my wheels because the patch is so big. I’m looking at some Bones V5s or V2s. Would it be easier to keep speed and pop some shit with smaller/narrower wheels?
Wide wheels are better at keeping speed on rough surfaces. Pop is mostly gonna be effected by height and weight of the wheel. The streets near me are not particularly smooth so I need a wider contact patch but don't wanna monster truck it. 22mm is where I am not having to push a whole bunch all the time. I like Tablets because the patch is wide but the wheel is not. Here's a chart of the Bones line up with patches and widths to help with your madness:
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 31, 2021, 03:05:27 PM
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Not to sound like a moron, but I’m thinking I’m not digging my wheels because the patch is so big. I’m looking at some Bones V5s or V2s. Would it be easier to keep speed and pop some shit with smaller/narrower wheels?
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Wide wheels are better at keeping speed on rough surfaces. Pop is mostly gonna be effected by height and weight of the wheel. The streets near me are not particularly smooth so I need a wider contact patch but don't wanna monster truck it. 22mm is where I am not having to push a whole bunch all the time. I like Tablets because the patch is wide but the wheel is not. Here's a chart of the Bones line up with patches and widths to help with your madness:
https://bones.com/why/street-tech-formula/
You’re on my gnar list. Thank you. I was looking at the tablets as well. I have a lot of crust, but I also have a wider setup with some cruisers on. Was thinking about something for my local-ish park. I currently have some Slimeball Vomit Minis but they’re so chunky. They’re kind of in the Jack of all trades, master of none category.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 01, 2021, 06:12:32 AM
@Buttfart Rapedick i sold @Sundaynuggets my 54mm VEE 95a NFG wheels and he's been sliding on them a bunch, he says. Maybe he can chime in some more on that - and compared to 97a I think he's rode too.

Did find TOO MUCH of a benefit with the 95a over 97a from my limited usage and small selection of spots/pavement.
Sorry, just saw this!

The 95a NFG slide fine for power slides and stuff like that. They also slide well enough on ledges but stick a little if you hit the ledge weird, but are mostly fine. They do take some of the rattle off of crust, which is nice, and are noticeably easier to skate for distance (I skate for miles around the city) than NFG’s harder formula (which I also like a lot).

They feel slightly softer than the F4, 97a but the F4 break into slides easier, especially the classic shape. The F4 comical full feels fairly similar, slide wise, to the NFG 95 but maybe just a hair grippier.

Anyway, I’m pretty psyched about having some options for wheels that slide reasonably well but are also a little softer than the normal 99/101’s. I definitely want to try the NFG 95a formula in their teardrop shape, to see how that slides, since the F4 classic seems to slide better than the comical full for me. Curious if the same will hold true for the teardrop vs Vee shape
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 01, 2021, 08:29:13 AM
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Not to sound like a moron, but I’m thinking I’m not digging my wheels because the patch is so big. I’m looking at some Bones V5s or V2s. Would it be easier to keep speed and pop some shit with smaller/narrower wheels?
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I switched back to skinny contact patch after riding conical fulls. the big contact patch never really worked for me. I tried V3 slims which were cool and then back to classic shape F4. it might just be weight though, the conical fulls were fully 140g heavier in 52 than the classics and the bones were even lighter
I think weight is a part of it. Right now I have Venture 5.8s on a fairly flat 8.5” board and I’m having issues popping good, especially at speed. The more I type the less it seems like the wheels though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on June 02, 2021, 03:59:21 PM
anyone ride bones SPF? either 81b or 84b

wondering how they would compare to F4/101 in a brand new smooth cement park

I have two sets of SPF 84b in the 56mm P5 shape, both new and worn down to 55mm.  I also have 54mm F4 101 conical and previously had 55mm lock-ins.  I skate a super smooth park that is about 3 years old.

SPF are faster.  Hands down the fastest wheel I have used. Stick some ceramic or Bones Swiss in them and go.  BUT.... they are a bit less grippy.  I took them off my setups for winter because I didn't want to be skating them when the temps were in the 30s.  I put them back on a couple weeks ago and the first session I had a number of big pumps that had my back wheels get squirrly.  I had one bail because of it, but within a few sessions I'm back to full speed and confidence.   I really do love these. Probably doesn't need to be said, but these are absolute garbage outside the park.  Just don't. 

F4 101 are a better all around wheel.  They are 97-98% as fast, have better grip and can be skated outside the park.

Does that last 2-3% speed matter?  It's nice. I like it. I feel marginally less tired on longer runs. 

Both are great wheels and I have boards built up with both in my car most of the time.  These days I'm skating the SPF more, but if SPF didn't exist I could be quite happy with the F4 101. 

I also skate and like STF 83s, and I have but don't care for F4 99s at the smooth parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 03, 2021, 08:24:37 AM
anyone ride bones SPF? either 81b or 84b

wondering how they would compare to F4/101 in a brand new smooth cement park

Backinaction summed it up pretty well.

I have had several sets of both the SPF 84b and 81b (always p5 sidecut shape) and recently got my first pair of F4s.

Nothing is faster than the 84b on smooth surfaces. The last pair I had seemed grippier than previous sets, but I’ve still slipped out and eaten shit plenty of times. I don’t like skating brand new parks with them, but once the park is a few months old and the initial slickness is gone they are hard to beat. Another complaint that a lot of people have is that they feel like plastic. It feels like riding a board from Walmart.

The 81b is my preferred SPF. They are almost as fast as the 84b, but the increased grip and less plasticy feel make them more enjoyable to skate. They are much better on brand new slick concrete too.

I’m currently riding Formula 4 OG classics 58mm 99 duro. They are right there with the 81b SPF in terms of speed. Compared to the 81b I find they are a little less grippy on smooth concrete and a little more grippy on the dusty skatelite ramp that I ride. I also really like that they don’t feel like plastic. I don’t ride outside of the park much, but the F4s are actually usable outside the park.

I personally prefer the Spitfires, but for a brand new concrete park either the 99 duro F4 or 81b SPF would be great. I can’t speak on the 101 duro F4s because I haven’t had a pair yet. I’d say in a few months when the park doesn’t have the glossy shine to it anymore, give the 84b a go and have fun hauling ass.
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Post by: bombsaway86 on June 03, 2021, 12:26:39 PM
thanks for the info on the SPF. I have f4/99 right now and they seem a bit sluggish in the new park near me. but they are also small and probably worn down to sub 50mm at this point. I am focusing on only skating this new park for the summer so I wanted to optimize this next set of wheels.

one other question... how is SPF on skatelite?

You’ll want at least 54mm wheels you’re skating transition at the new park. SPF is good on skatelite providing it’s clean. If it’s not clean it’s like skating on ice. The F4s do a lot better on dirty skatelite
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 03, 2021, 12:42:38 PM
anyone ride bones SPF? either 81b or 84b

wondering how they would compare to F4/101 in a brand new smooth cement park

I have the Bones SPD 84b wheels, 56mm, and I'll echo the other commenters here - absolute fastest wheel you can skate in a smooth skatepark. I had a different experience with grip, where I felt that they gripped better in the bowl than my "all around" wheels ever did.

Anyway, I don't skate them much, because I don't go to parks very often, but if I lived down in SoCal where every park has glass-smooth surface, I'd be on those wheels every day. They're markedly better than anything else in the category.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 04, 2021, 10:41:21 PM
thanks for the info about bones. sort of related, maybe...

do different wheel brands perform better in hot conditions? like 95F+  like bones vs. spitfire vs. other brand

or are they all about the same, and its more a matter of duro?

I am assuming softer wheels get softer and slower... but I guess I dont know how much "worse" it gets? or if a really hard wheel also softens up enough to notice

I might be stuck in AZ for a month in the summer, and where im at now is having a heat wave as well

SPF isn’t affected by heat. F4 I barely notice a difference. All other wheels I have skated, yes.

Durometer is definitely the determining factor, which is why SPFs are unaffected by heat. Haven’t tried the F4 101s but I would think the heat probably doesn’t have much effect based on how little the 99s are affected.

Bones also have some other voodoo magic going on too because the DTF wheels never got slower on really hot days and they were 95a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on June 05, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
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I came to ask the same. They look really good!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPfIwpMjkC0/?utm_medium=copy_link
Look ALOT like tablet f4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on June 05, 2021, 12:31:23 PM
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A new contender has entered the ring?
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I came to ask the same. They look really good!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPfIwpMjkC0/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Look ALOT like tablet f4

They kinda look like they have a bit more of a radius than a tablet. Like a classic and a tablet had a baby. I’m very interested.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lemonchicken91 on June 07, 2021, 08:08:46 AM
https://landyachtz.com/collections/hawgs-wheels/products/chubby-hawgs-60mm

Friend gave me these off of his pre-bought landyachts sidewalk surfer thing
Threw them on my fat deck without risers and they are def harder than 78a but that could be the core. Not skatepark wheels by any means but been loving ripping around the neighborhood on them, would recommend for your cruiser if you want to be able to slide a lil bit while monster trucking crust
cant believe no wheel bite yet honestly but im sitting on these high ass Caliber brand trucks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on June 07, 2021, 08:20:56 AM
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A new contender has entered the ring?
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I came to ask the same. They look really good!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPfIwpMjkC0/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Look ALOT like tablet f4
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They kinda look like they have a bit more of a radius than a tablet. Like a classic and a tablet had a baby. I’m very interested.
Yeah they look like a good wheel. The shape is a bit different than a tablet now that I'm looking at them better. I wouldn't mind trying some either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scrub74 on June 07, 2021, 01:14:11 PM
I just got these 54mm conicals to try out.  I usually ride 54 F4 classics in 99 (have the 97s on my slappy board and they rule) but wanted to try a slightly different wheel. Of course, it has rained every day since I got them.

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/194631820_10158006539422551_4539969252054280288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=oxXNLZkSx-cAX97krGd&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&tp=6&oh=e75cb4481101fc8c7193fc670c6e0d69&oe=60E24661)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on June 07, 2021, 01:57:42 PM
ok I have one last bones question. sorry for deleting my other posts I was kind of in a bad state that day

my local shop has these Bones Fatties 99 on close out. in 54 and 56. I am going to go on a road trip next week where I hit up a bunch of Evergreen parks in CO and MT.

I am thinking of these wheels on an AntiHero Beach bum board as a weird surfy park cruiser. I have never ridden that kind of park. I also dont know anything about these wheels, I must have missed when they came out. do you think that will work well for that situation ?  I will have a normal set up as well.

Yep.  The 99s aren't as fast as the 103s or F4 101s, but are right there (or a bit faster) than the 99 F4s.   Our Evergreen park is about 3 years old and was super slick when it first went in.  The extra grip of the 99s may be helpful.

Evergreen parks are flowy and lots of launch transfers, so I like at least an 8.5, but often skate a 9.25 in them.  The flow of the park and absurd lack of coping often means that they become collision-fest once they get busy.  Go on off hours or plan on running over some kids.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 07, 2021, 07:38:16 PM
ok I have one last bones question. sorry for deleting my other posts I was kind of in a bad state that day

my local shop has these Bones Fatties 99 on close out. in 54 and 56. I am going to go on a road trip next week where I hit up a bunch of Evergreen parks in CO and MT.

I am thinking of these wheels on an AntiHero Beach bum board as a weird surfy park cruiser. I have never ridden that kind of park. I also dont know anything about these wheels, I must have missed when they came out. do you think that will work well for that situation ?  I will have a normal set up as well.

Reading over your older posts, the Fatties as much as they are a wide wheel have a very minimal contact patch, so hopefully more what you would like, very much like the classic full Spitfire shape but with the classic contact patch.

I bought a set here in AU as they were on sale as well, really good looking wheels for people who like the big round shape, but yet to put them on a board or anything, but I do have some of the other 99 duro in another shape I got second hand and they feel good for most surfaces.

I would be thinking the bigger the better too, but that is just me.  Either 54 or 56 would be great when new, both being 37mm wide.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 08, 2021, 03:49:28 PM
Anyone ever use Satori Vintage/Big Link/Mandala wheels? I can get a set for like $20 and I'm interested.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on June 08, 2021, 04:05:16 PM
Anyone ever use Satori Vintage/Big Link/Mandala wheels? I can get a set for like $20 and I'm interested.
If they are the new ones that came out when Satori came back they should be decent. Poured by Creative
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 08, 2021, 04:22:47 PM
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Anyone ever use Satori Vintage/Big Link/Mandala wheels? I can get a set for like $20 and I'm interested.
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If they are the new ones that came out when Satori came back they should be decent. Poured by Creative

Poured by Creative tells me all I need to know lol. Thank you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 08, 2021, 05:19:05 PM
I just got these 54mm conicals to try out.  I usually ride 54 F4 classics in 99 (have the 97s on my slappy board and they rule) but wanted to try a slightly different wheel. Of course, it has rained every day since I got them.

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p526x296/194631820_10158006539422551_4539969252054280288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=oxXNLZkSx-cAX97krGd&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&tp=6&oh=e75cb4481101fc8c7193fc670c6e0d69&oe=60E24661)
Gnar going your way, I feel you brother
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 13, 2021, 04:55:29 PM
Anyone ever leave a little play in their wheels? Like, don't tighten the but all the way so the wheels/bearings have like 1-2mm off wiggle.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 13, 2021, 06:01:09 PM
Anyone ever leave a little play in their wheels? Like, don't tighten the but all the way so the wheels/bearings have like 1-2mm off wiggle.

I’ve done this for my entire skate life for no real reason and at this point I don’t know if I’m helping or hurting myself
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 13, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
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I’ve done this for my entire skate life for no real reason and at this point I don’t know if I’m helping or hurting myself

Makes the board less dead on the drop. There is a good point. The board sound is less poppy when the wheels have no play.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 13, 2021, 06:58:37 PM
Anyone ever leave a little play in their wheels? Like, don't tighten the but all the way so the wheels/bearings have like 1-2mm off wiggle.

Absolutely 100%

The number of times people have asked why their board is so slow and it is because they tighten things up too much, even with spacers, the bearings spin much more freely with a bit of play.

As said, it also makes the board sound more normal too, and by normal I don't mean shieldless messed up bearings screaming, more just sounds a bit more crisp overall, and makes my Spitfires bark when I slide too.

* I always ride with shields on and for the most part fairly silent bearings.


Each to their own though, as I know one guy who cannot stand any noise coming from his setup and that includes tightening things down almost too far, but that is his choice.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on June 13, 2021, 07:17:20 PM
I think most people tighten it down, then back,it off 1/16th of a turn......
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 13, 2021, 08:30:45 PM
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As said, it also makes the board sound more normal too

Exactly. It just sounds right.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on June 14, 2021, 09:43:18 AM
I put one extra speed ring in the inside and then screw the nut on flush, so I keep the axle protected and still have some wiggle room so the bearings can spin freely. I've done this since I was a kid and messed my axle up and didn't know about rethreaders.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 14, 2021, 09:51:57 AM
I've started to go 3 washers on the inside 1 on the outside. The wheels I was riding were starting to get pretty skinny and more truck room without riding a bigger truck is always nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 14, 2021, 02:58:50 PM
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I’ve done this for my entire skate life for no real reason and at this point I don’t know if I’m helping or hurting myself
Same here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 15, 2021, 10:41:38 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/pdtF2Gx/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6F3CYVm)
high west energy (https://nonprofitlight.com/wy/pine-bluffs/high-west-energy-inc)

Got some defect Bones 100s V5 on eBay to try the shape cheap. The only defect is one of the wheels is a different cut on the inside wall. So far I dig em. Getting much more pop them my other wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on June 15, 2021, 12:17:20 PM
Getting much more pop them my other wheels.
C'mon on now, this has to be a joke.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2021, 12:44:35 PM
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Getting much more pop them my other wheels.
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C'mon on now, this has to be a joke.

Taller, perhaps?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 15, 2021, 12:52:50 PM
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Getting much more pop them my other wheels.
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C'mon on now, this has to be a joke.
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Taller, perhaps?
Not quite. These are 54, and I ride 52/4/6 depending. I got more pop because these are harder than the cruisers I had on it. I'm 200lbs and the 90a's I had on were smooth as silk, but definitely mushed under my weight. Made it hard to even Ollie.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on June 15, 2021, 05:00:54 PM
^From what I've been picking up around here, eBay is flooded with bootleg product so just be sure to vet your vendor there. A lot of Spitfire's were being sold on there when there was an industry wide shortage that predated Covid.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 15, 2021, 06:08:42 PM
^From what I've been picking up around here, eBay is flooded with bootleg product so just be sure to vet your vendor there. A lot of Spitfire's were being sold on there when there was an industry wide shortage that predated Covid.
Thanks, man. I actually got this guy from a thread here. He sells factory blems at a discount. Which is good for trying shapes and formulas.

https://ebay.com/usr/marcs_board_shop (https://ebay.com/usr/marcs_board_shop)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 15, 2021, 06:49:30 PM
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^From what I've been picking up around here, eBay is flooded with bootleg product so just be sure to vet your vendor there. A lot of Spitfire's were being sold on there when there was an industry wide shortage that predated Covid.
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Thanks, man. I actually got this guy from a thread here. He sells factory blems at a discount. Which is good for trying shapes and formulas.

https://ebay.com/usr/marcs_board_shop (https://ebay.com/usr/marcs_board_shop)


Not that guy but another one maybe ten or more likely fifteen years ago was a great one to get those from, cheap and decent wheels, which still performed exactly how they should, as he had an inside with Skate One / Bones who would get all the slightly bubbled / discoloured / any other issue Bones wheels for so much cheaper than regular product.

When looking through his feedback, so many different types of Skate One wheels, 5000+ 100% positive feedback and definitely seems legit.


The fake thread is here, if anyone is interested:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 15, 2021, 06:59:02 PM
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^From what I've been picking up around here, eBay is flooded with bootleg product so just be sure to vet your vendor there. A lot of Spitfire's were being sold on there when there was an industry wide shortage that predated Covid.
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Thanks, man. I actually got this guy from a thread here. He sells factory blems at a discount. Which is good for trying shapes and formulas.

https://ebay.com/usr/marcs_board_shop (https://ebay.com/usr/marcs_board_shop)
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Not that guy but another one maybe ten or more likely fifteen years ago was a great one to get those from, cheap and decent wheels, which still performed exactly how they should, as he had an inside with Skate One / Bones who would get all the slightly bubbled / discoloured / any other issue Bones wheels for so much cheaper than regular product.

When looking through his feedback, so many different types of Skate One wheels, 5000+ 100% positive feedback and definitely seems legit.


The fake thread is here, if anyone is interested:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0
Pretty sure this dude has an in. All his stuff is Powell. Be it Bones, Rats, etc. Now I’m cruising eBay looking for fakes. $30 for Bones Swiss?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lemonchicken91 on June 16, 2021, 02:05:37 PM
tablets have more contact surface than classics yeah?

Been on OJ conical fulls forever and want something slightly less chunky but still grippy enough

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 16, 2021, 02:09:04 PM
tablets have more contact surface than classics yeah?

Been on OJ conical fulls forever and want something slightly less chunky but still grippy enough

Yeah, Tablets are 20mm and Classics are 15.5 on a 52mm wheel. The only bigger patch is the Conical Full.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 16, 2021, 02:11:41 PM
tablets have more contact surface than classics yeah?

Been on OJ conical fulls forever and want something slightly less chunky but still grippy enough

Yeah, tablets have more contact surface than classics. Here are the specs of their shapes https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on June 16, 2021, 02:12:20 PM
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tablets have more contact surface than classics yeah?

Been on OJ conical fulls forever and want something slightly less chunky but still grippy enough
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Yeah, Tablets are 20mm and Classics are 15.5 on a 52mm wheel. The only bigger patch is the Conical Full.
If you grab 54mm size, the riding surface of tablets and conical fulls is both 22mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lemonchicken91 on June 17, 2021, 07:01:53 AM
one more dumb question, rounded classics are better for slappies I assume?

I'm trying my damndest to not have a two board setup. I'm not one to mess w a board once it is setup.
Want some wheels that I can ride at park and flatground small stuff. Might just have to start swapping out wheels and letting the madness take me into the mud
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 17, 2021, 08:27:55 AM
one more dumb question, rounded classics are better for slappies I assume?

I'm trying my damndest to not have a two board setup. I'm not one to mess w a board once it is setup.
Want some wheels that I can ride at park and flatground small stuff. Might just have to start swapping out wheels and letting the madness take me into the mud

I'm not the best at slappies, but I've tried Formula 4 Classics in 99 duro from 50mm to 54mm and I've also tried F4 Tablets in 51mm and 52mm in both 99 and 101 duro.

The better all around wheel is probably the F4 54mm Classic. It has the speed and pop of a bigger wheel but it feels nice to turn and easy to control in slides. When it wears down, the contact patch becomes bigger so it's kind of the best of both worlds.

The tablets are good too but they don't feel as good to ride. They do lock into grinds even in the smaller sizes but don't feel as nice to ride or slide as the classics.

I'd avoid 50mm and 51mm classics though. The small size and small contact patch means pebbles become deadly and it made my board feel like it was hard to control.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on June 17, 2021, 08:40:37 AM
The shop I work at just got an email from DLX stating that there’s a urethane shortage and Spitfire production is about to slow down again. If you need Spitfire gtwyc but “stocking up “ is just gonna make shit worse.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on June 17, 2021, 03:20:49 PM
Im kinda debating on trying something new and getting some V5 bones. For an all around type of wheel. Prob 99a. Has anyone had them? Is bones 99a similar to spitfire 99a ? Or should I get the 101a V5?

Also I feel I should know this but I never paid much attention to wheels but what would be some pro/cons of 52mm and 54mm wheel?  Prob gonna run them with AF1s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on June 17, 2021, 03:37:23 PM
Im kinda debating on trying something new and getting some V5 bones. For an all around type of wheel. Prob 99a. Has anyone had them? Is bones 99a similar to spitfire 99a ? Or should I get the 101a V5?

Also I feel I should know this but I never paid much attention to wheels but what would be some pro/cons of 52mm and 54mm wheel?  Prob gonna run them with AF1s

I have V5 in both 99 and 103, and F4 Conicals in 99 and 101.   STF 99 are similar to F4 99, but more grip and less slide. Similar speed.   103 SPF are super fast in the park, but a bit rough feeling outside. They are plenty fast and slide well, but do rattle you.    I am using F4 101 conicals as my "all around" wheel, but I do tend to skate more park than crust.  Most people would be better off with a 99 as their all around and get Bones if you want more grip or F4 if you want to slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 17, 2021, 03:40:55 PM
Im kinda debating on trying something new and getting some V5 bones. For an all around type of wheel. Prob 99a. Has anyone had them? Is bones 99a similar to spitfire 99a ? Or should I get the 101a V5?

Also I feel I should know this but I never paid much attention to wheels but what would be some pro/cons of 52mm and 54mm wheel?  Prob gonna run them with AF1s

I don't skate bones so I can't offer a comparison, but I'll try to list the pros of both 52mm and 54mm.

52mm
Lighter weight
Less potential for wheel bite
Flips easier
More responsive/lighter feeling

54mm
Faster for park skating
Rolls over cracks/pebbles easier
Better lock-in for a lot of grinds
Possibly more pop
Probably more traction

Spitfire makes their wheels wider as the size goes up but it's not as significant with Bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on June 17, 2021, 03:53:20 PM
Im kinda debating on trying something new and getting some V5 bones. For an all around type of wheel. Prob 99a. Has anyone had them? Is bones 99a similar to spitfire 99a ? Or should I get the 101a V5?

Also I feel I should know this but I never paid much attention to wheels but what would be some pro/cons of 52mm and 54mm wheel?  Prob gonna run them with AF1s

Had v5 103a when they came out years ago, very good wheels. Slid good and lasted long. Only downside (for me) was that they were very white and maybe a bit too slippery for indoors. I prefer spitfires because I like their more natural color and the formula fours feel just right for me. Bones last longer though. If you are riding low trucks consider buying 52mm wheels.

I personally prefer 52mm in shapes like radial slim and tablet because their riding surface is already wider than let’s say, a classic. If I would get classics I would get 54mm because when they get smaller the riding surface increases so when they are down to about 50mm they would feel amazing to me.

Currently riding radial slims 101a 52mm and they are now down to ~48mm and they feel amazing. Lock in grinds well and don’t get too much wheelbite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 17, 2021, 04:22:27 PM
Im kinda debating on trying something new and getting some V5 bones. For an all around type of wheel. Prob 99a. Has anyone had them? Is bones 99a similar to spitfire 99a ? Or should I get the 101a V5?

Also I feel I should know this but I never paid much attention to wheels but what would be some pro/cons of 52mm and 54mm wheel?  Prob gonna run them with AF1s
They're super different. STF 99 feels like a softer wheel but performs like a harder one if that makes any sense. F4 99 feel true to durometer. Again, if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on June 17, 2021, 05:33:08 PM
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Im kinda debating on trying something new and getting some V5 bones. For an all around type of wheel. Prob 99a. Has anyone had them? Is bones 99a similar to spitfire 99a ? Or should I get the 101a V5?

Also I feel I should know this but I never paid much attention to wheels but what would be some pro/cons of 52mm and 54mm wheel?  Prob gonna run them with AF1s
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They're super different. STF 99 feels like a softer wheel but performs like a harder one if that makes any sense. F4 99 feel true to durometer. Again, if that makes any sense.

Like soft in crust and hard for slides? Or the opposite where it’s a bad situation? Ha.

Most the streets here are crusty Midwest streets. But I’m in a park half the time I bet and streets and diy the other half.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 17, 2021, 05:59:59 PM
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Im kinda debating on trying something new and getting some V5 bones. For an all around type of wheel. Prob 99a. Has anyone had them? Is bones 99a similar to spitfire 99a ? Or should I get the 101a V5?

Also I feel I should know this but I never paid much attention to wheels but what would be some pro/cons of 52mm and 54mm wheel?  Prob gonna run them with AF1s
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They're super different. STF 99 feels like a softer wheel but performs like a harder one if that makes any sense. F4 99 feel true to durometer. Again, if that makes any sense.
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Like soft in crust and hard for slides? Or the opposite where it’s a bad situation? Ha.

Most the streets here are crusty Midwest streets. But I’m in a park half the time I bet and streets and diy the other half.
Exactly what you wrote.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 17, 2021, 08:01:59 PM
The shop I work at just got an email from DLX stating that there’s a urethane shortage and Spitfire production is about to slow down again. If you need Spitfire gtwyc but “stocking up “ is just gonna make shit worse.


Thanks - very interesting!


I think a lot of production is going to be slowed down to some degree with all the issues with raw material shortages that are happening and still yet to be felt across many industries, eg urethane, wood, various truck metal (no titanium axles coming out of Ermico for Thunder or Venture in a long time - only coming out of China on Indy trucks).

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jkadams on June 17, 2021, 09:04:43 PM
Several posts in here have mentioned "breaking in" new wheels.  I understand the need to wear down the treads on wheels that have treads, but other than that, I don't understand what could change after a few sessions.

For example, I just tried some NFG V wheels for the first time, and it was like skating the Flintstones' car on my shitty local MN streets/spots... is there any reason to think that they would feel different/better after a few sessions?  (When wheels rattle my bones and make skating not fun like the NFGs did, I usually take them off right away and throw them in a box [eventually donate], but some of the posts in here have me wondering if I have been missing out on the wonders of "broken in" hard wheels.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Velcro Wallet on June 17, 2021, 10:43:35 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/GVmmQNs/490-C4-E64-4350-4-DB4-B352-D422-BF5-B7-DAC.png) (https://ibb.co/GVmmQNs)

(https://i.ibb.co/3W7WvZS/8-DA1-CC24-3910-471-C-A1-B9-4574-D57-B8378.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3W7WvZS)

Wheels I have in rotation on my boards atm. I must say that I really like the Tom Knox 53’s. Where are SML wheels made??


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: prettyVale on June 18, 2021, 04:43:31 AM
Hey guys!
 can Anyone help me deciding for new wheels?

I skate mostly concrete bowls but like street(mostly parks) aswell. Currently I ride OJ's EZ Edge 101A. I just learned pivot to fakie and It feels so easy with this shape of the wheel. With the bones SPF V5 I always had troubles to do grinds to fakie smoothly, especially when the truck is grineded down. And it feels like the wheels while slides better while doing bs smith grinds.
I was looking for maybe Spitfire classics or radials in 55mm and 99d. Can anyone recomend them over the conicals for transistion skating? I heard OJ's 101a is not as hard as the spitfire 101a.

I feel lost and wheels are quite expensive in europe...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 18, 2021, 05:29:00 AM
Hey guys!
 can Anyone help me deciding for new wheels?

I skate mostly concrete bowls but like street(mostly parks) aswell. Currently I ride OJ's EZ Edge 101A. I just learned pivot to fakie and It feels so easy with this shape of the wheel. With the bones SPF V5 I always had troubles to do grinds to fakie smoothly, especially when the truck is grineded down. And it feels like the wheels while slides better while doing bs smith grinds.
I was looking for maybe Spitfire classics or radials in 55mm and 99d. Can anyone recomend them over the conicals for transistion skating? I heard OJ's 101a is not as hard as the spitfire 101a.

I feel lost and wheels are quite expensive in europe...
From what you're saying I would go for F4 101 conical fulls
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 18, 2021, 06:04:23 AM
@Velcro Wallet SML uses two factories depending on the formula (OG or AG). From the man himself:

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The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers
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Ha, yeah definitely got to try some out and see what works.

I have had / seen two different types of SML wheels and both were good / no issues, but I didn't skate them much and passed them on to others who needed wheels, more so because I usually ride and feel most comfortable on Spitfires.

One set was very white, which seemed harder at first, the other set more milky, and was a bit softer / had more grip.  I guess being one of the many brands who use other wheels, it is just one of those things.

See this post for the slight differences, not counting the coloured wheels at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIvCnLJ34T/
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So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability.

The other ones on the right are our OG formula from Aend They are closer to a Bones STF. They have a high rebound so they won't flat spot it doesn't have to do with the hardness as much as the high quality of urethane . So they do take a little more effort on the slide but I personally love them.

The duro is the same 99a on both but they both have their own feel.

I hope this info is helpful and thanks for the support!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 18, 2021, 08:17:13 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BR29bk-AWlGmkRCHbrCa7kIg9NSDb7EZeABJ-M0/?utm_medium=copy_link
Need a little help pals. I had these Bones 100s but I can't remember the shape. Any thoughts just by the looks?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Velcro Wallet on June 19, 2021, 01:55:45 AM
Thanks for the info peeps. SML rules.

Man those 40mm look awesome.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 19, 2021, 03:16:31 AM
Need a little help pals. I had these Bones 100s but I can't remember the shape. Any thoughts just by the looks?

The account is private, so maybe grab a screen shot instead to post.

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From the ones that I had seen and what I looked up, they were the same shapes as the other Bones wheels, which can either be V 1 - 5 which have more recently been changed to a more descriptive name of the shape, but just in case they were mini logo, the A cut = V5 / sidecut and C cut = V1 or V3 like the classics - those two were the most common, that were everywhere.


(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/BONES_STF_shapes_2017.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 19, 2021, 05:14:55 AM
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Need a little help pals. I had these Bones 100s but I can't remember the shape. Any thoughts just by the looks?
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The account is private, so maybe grab a screen shot instead to post.

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From the ones that I had seen and what I looked up, they were the same shapes as the other Bones wheels, which can either be V 1 - 5 which have more recently been changed to a more descriptive name of the shape, but just in case they were mini logo, the A cut = V5 / sidecut and C cut = V1 or V3 like the classics - those two were the most common, that were everywhere.


(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/BONES_STF_shapes_2017.jpg)
My bad
(https://i.imgur.com/Yt69jwcl.jpg)
I would say V4 or V1
And just in case
(https://i.imgur.com/KHLBaDTl.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on June 21, 2021, 02:12:51 PM
Has anyone tried these? A wheel company from Europe, so the prices aren’t too bad here in EU...
Thinking of getting a set of their classic shape in 55mm
https://bronxwheels.com/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on June 21, 2021, 03:39:29 PM
Looking for some wheel recommendations y'all. Currently on a polar dane 1 9.75, indy 169s, slimeball 97s, spitfire reds. I'm just breaking this set-up in but I can already tell that the slimeballs (not new) are not gonna work with what I'm looking to ride this specific board for. I want to use this as a slappy/transition screw around board and also as a filming board (hoping I can find wheels that would work for both options). I'm open to trying wheels other than spits and bones (i only seem to ride F4s on other setups). What size/durometer would you recommend for what I'm trying to do and anyone have any specific wheel recommendations?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 21, 2021, 05:21:06 PM
OJ Nomads 95 maybe
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on June 21, 2021, 06:29:28 PM
Looking for some wheel recommendations y'all. Currently on a polar dane 1 9.75, indy 169s, slimeball 97s, spitfire reds. I'm just breaking this set-up in but I can already tell that the slimeballs (not new) are not gonna work with what I'm looking to ride this specific board for. I want to use this as a slappy/transition screw around board and also as a filming board (hoping I can find wheels that would work for both options). I'm open to trying wheels other than spits and bones (i only seem to ride F4s on other setups). What size/durometer would you recommend for what I'm trying to do and anyone have any specific wheel recommendations?
The OJ keyframes are fucking awesome filmer wheels, they are 87a so they are soft and will help with the filming but are hard enough to be able to skate around and shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 21, 2021, 07:25:54 PM
Looking for some wheel recommendations y'all. Currently on a polar dane 1 9.75, indy 169s, slimeball 97s, spitfire reds. I'm just breaking this set-up in but I can already tell that the slimeballs (not new) are not gonna work with what I'm looking to ride this specific board for. I want to use this as a slappy/transition screw around board and also as a filming board (hoping I can find wheels that would work for both options). I'm open to trying wheels other than spits and bones (i only seem to ride F4s on other setups). What size/durometer would you recommend for what I'm trying to do and anyone have any specific wheel recommendations?

Powell Peralta Ray Bones skull and swords might work for you. They’re 58mm 90a. I’ve know a few dudes who were pretty good all terrain skaters that rode them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on June 22, 2021, 06:48:23 AM
IMO it might be a little hard to find a wheel that has the filmer cushiony feel that still skates like a hard wheel, maybe ricta clouds 92a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on June 22, 2021, 07:35:26 AM
oj keyframes confirmed ! they are perfect, and they stay perfect sub 50mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on June 22, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
IMO it might be a little hard to find a wheel that has the filmer cushiony feel that still skates like a hard wheel, maybe ricta clouds 92a.

I think i'm willing to get a different set of film we wheels for the sake of a real good slappy/transition wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 22, 2021, 10:16:59 AM
IMO it might be a little hard to find a wheel that has the filmer cushiony feel that still skates like a hard wheel, maybe ricta clouds 92a.

My buddy has some Ricta Clouds 52mm 92a and they're a pretty sweet wheel. They ride very smooth, especially for the size and they can even noseslide if you press down hard enough and are going fast.

They're a little too soft and cushiony for me so the closest thing to filmer wheels that I ride are the Spitfire Formula 4 Conical Full 54mm 97a. They're nice and wide, can roll over anything but they have the feedback and response of a street wheel. I was only able to noseslide and boardslide ledges with them with a slick board though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on June 22, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
yeah, if you *had* to have one wheel to do it all, from cruising to sliding on ledges, it would probably be a 95a or 97a wheel.

its kinda worth it to have a cruiser board and a main setup, if you like cruising instead of say riding a bike.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on June 22, 2021, 01:18:00 PM
yeah, if you *had* to have one wheel to do it all, from cruising to sliding on ledges, it would probably be a 95a or 97a wheel.

its kinda worth it to have a cruiser board and a main setup, if you like cruising instead of say riding a bike.

i'm definitely a bike over cruiser guy and have recently discovered the greatness of biking to spots. i think i might get the bones filmer wheels and wait on a recommendation from  someone here on a good slappy and transition wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 22, 2021, 01:53:16 PM
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yeah, if you *had* to have one wheel to do it all, from cruising to sliding on ledges, it would probably be a 95a or 97a wheel.

its kinda worth it to have a cruiser board and a main setup, if you like cruising instead of say riding a bike.
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i'm definitely a bike over cruiser guy and have recently discovered the greatness of biking to spots. i think i might get the bones filmer wheels and wait on a recommendation from  someone here on a good slappy and transition wheel

A wheel that's good at slappys and transition? I always thought people enjoyed small wheels for slappys and bigger wheels for transition. Either way, you might wanna look at the Spitfire F4 Classic 53mm 97a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 22, 2021, 03:57:24 PM
Looking for some wheel recommendations y'all. Currently on a polar dane 1 9.75, indy 169s, slimeball 97s, spitfire reds. I'm just breaking this set-up in but I can already tell that the slimeballs (not new) are not gonna work with what I'm looking to ride this specific board for. I want to use this as a slappy/transition screw around board and also as a filming board (hoping I can find wheels that would work for both options). I'm open to trying wheels other than spits and bones (i only seem to ride F4s on other setups). What size/durometer would you recommend for what I'm trying to do and anyone have any specific wheel recommendations?

What size are / were the Slimeballs?

They do come in 60mm (which are great fun for bigger type wheels) but also down as low as 53 or 52mm as well, so it depends on what size wheel you are wanting, which i have not seen you say yet.

Most of these other wheels mentioned also come in 52 up to 56 or so and readily available for the most part, depending on where you are or where you are willing to buy from.


There really are so many alternatives, big to small, hard to soft, so depending on where you are might limit your options.


Filmer wheels (around 80 to 90 duro) are so good for cruising as well but are rather limiting for skating more normally, but if you are used to them, I gues it is ok as I know people who love them for everything.  The Bones / Powell 90 duro wheels are really good for still getting around fast and you can skate them easily enough on transition but they do slow you down in tricks that would normally keep you rolling faster with harder wheels, not so much slides, but grinds where the wheel is pushing against the edge like slappies to some degree too.

Normal wheels, even slightly softer will be a much better overall ride, so 95+ duro

Even between Slimeballs 97 and Spitfire 97s there are significant differences - I have both and they are both good wheels,  for a slightly softer normal wheel feel.

I got the classic 56mm 97 Spitfires and they are so good being that little bit bigger, great for slappy grinds, not so easy for nose or tail slides right now but they will wear down over time and last a lot longer too.

So that is just my opinion and most of my normal boards have 99 duro Spitfires that are closer to 52-54 worn down wheels that were bigger when new, but I still have boards with 97, 95, 92 and some even softer wheels that are good for certain things.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on June 22, 2021, 04:08:15 PM
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Looking for some wheel recommendations y'all. Currently on a polar dane 1 9.75, indy 169s, slimeball 97s, spitfire reds. I'm just breaking this set-up in but I can already tell that the slimeballs (not new) are not gonna work with what I'm looking to ride this specific board for. I want to use this as a slappy/transition screw around board and also as a filming board (hoping I can find wheels that would work for both options). I'm open to trying wheels other than spits and bones (i only seem to ride F4s on other setups). What size/durometer would you recommend for what I'm trying to do and anyone have any specific wheel recommendations?
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What size are / were the Slimeballs?

They do come in 60mm (which are great fun for bigger type wheels) but also down as low as 53 or 52mm as well, so it depends on what size wheel you are wanting, which i have not seen you say yet.

Most of these other wheels mentioned also come in 52 up to 56 or so and readily available for the most part, depending on where you are or where you are willing to buy from.


There really are so many alternatives, big to small, hard to soft, so depending on where you are might limit your options.


Filmer wheels (around 80 to 90 duro) are so good for cruising as well but are rather limiting for skating more normally, but if you are used to them, I gues it is ok as I know people who love them for everything.  The Bones / Powell 90 duro wheels are really good for still getting around fast and you can skate them easily enough on transition but they do slow you down in tricks that would normally keep you rolling faster with harder wheels, not so much slides, but grinds where the wheel is pushing against the edge like slappies to some degree too.

Normal wheels, even slightly softer will be a much better overall ride, so 95+ duro

Even between Slimeballs 97 and Spitfire 97s there are significant differences - I have both and they are both good wheels,  for a slightly softer normal wheel feel.

I got the classic 56mm 97 Spitfires and they are so good being that little bit bigger, great for slappy grinds, not so easy for nose or tail slides right now but they will wear down over time and last a lot longer too.

So that is just my opinion and most of my normal boards have 99 duro Spitfires that are closer to 52-54 worn down wheels that were bigger when new, but I still have boards with 97, 95, 92 and some even softer wheels that are good for certain things.

thanks for all this info man, it's appreciated. i'm pretty sure the slimes are 58, and if i'm being honest i csnt tell you what i don't like about them which is why i don't know what i should change for make them ideal. i think i want to go with a 56 or 58 wheel, i ride 54 classics on my smaller setup and i really like them but i was concerned that the contact patch might be too skinny for good slappy/transition riding on a board that is so much larger (normally ride 8.5). so if i'm scratching the search for filmer wheels and want a solid 56/58 wheel for slappy riding n transition, would you recommend a 97 classic or do you think a wider contact patch would be more ideal?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 22, 2021, 04:16:35 PM
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Looking for some wheel recommendations y'all. Currently on a polar dane 1 9.75, indy 169s, slimeball 97s, spitfire reds. I'm just breaking this set-up in but I can already tell that the slimeballs (not new) are not gonna work with what I'm looking to ride this specific board for. I want to use this as a slappy/transition screw around board and also as a filming board (hoping I can find wheels that would work for both options). I'm open to trying wheels other than spits and bones (i only seem to ride F4s on other setups). What size/durometer would you recommend for what I'm trying to do and anyone have any specific wheel recommendations?
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What size are / were the Slimeballs?

They do come in 60mm (which are great fun for bigger type wheels) but also down as low as 53 or 52mm as well, so it depends on what size wheel you are wanting, which i have not seen you say yet.

Most of these other wheels mentioned also come in 52 up to 56 or so and readily available for the most part, depending on where you are or where you are willing to buy from.


There really are so many alternatives, big to small, hard to soft, so depending on where you are might limit your options.


Filmer wheels (around 80 to 90 duro) are so good for cruising as well but are rather limiting for skating more normally, but if you are used to them, I gues it is ok as I know people who love them for everything.  The Bones / Powell 90 duro wheels are really good for still getting around fast and you can skate them easily enough on transition but they do slow you down in tricks that would normally keep you rolling faster with harder wheels, not so much slides, but grinds where the wheel is pushing against the edge like slappies to some degree too.

Normal wheels, even slightly softer will be a much better overall ride, so 95+ duro

Even between Slimeballs 97 and Spitfire 97s there are significant differences - I have both and they are both good wheels,  for a slightly softer normal wheel feel.

I got the classic 56mm 97 Spitfires and they are so good being that little bit bigger, great for slappy grinds, not so easy for nose or tail slides right now but they will wear down over time and last a lot longer too.

So that is just my opinion and most of my normal boards have 99 duro Spitfires that are closer to 52-54 worn down wheels that were bigger when new, but I still have boards with 97, 95, 92 and some even softer wheels that are good for certain things.
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thanks for all this info man, it's appreciated. i'm pretty sure the slimes are 58, and if i'm being honest i csnt tell you what i don't like about them which is why i don't know what i should change for make them ideal. i think i want to go with a 56 or 58 wheel, i ride 54 classics on my smaller setup and i really like them but i was concerned that the contact patch might be too skinny for good slappy/transition riding on a board that is so much larger (normally ride 8.5). so if i'm scratching the search for filmer wheels and want a solid 56/58 wheel for slappy riding n transition, would you recommend a 97 classic or do you think a wider contact patch would be more ideal?

The weird thing about the 56mm 97 classics is they seem to have the best mix of grip and contact right from the first session in a fairly new almost slippery bowl, but I guess being more conservative in my approach, I definitely welcomed the fact I didn't slip out on them.

Sending you pics of board and bowl anyway, but I could definitely put these on any board, normal about the same size as yours or a bigger wider board too and I think they would work well.


Edit:  There is always the conical full 97 duro wheels too, 54mm being quite decent in size, but they also have them in bigger 56 and 58 but they might be long gone as I think they sell out very quickly.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 22, 2021, 08:16:48 PM
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Looking for some wheel recommendations y'all. Currently on a polar dane 1 9.75, indy 169s, slimeball 97s, spitfire reds. I'm just breaking this set-up in but I can already tell that the slimeballs (not new) are not gonna work with what I'm looking to ride this specific board for. I want to use this as a slappy/transition screw around board and also as a filming board (hoping I can find wheels that would work for both options). I'm open to trying wheels other than spits and bones (i only seem to ride F4s on other setups). What size/durometer would you recommend for what I'm trying to do and anyone have any specific wheel recommendations?
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What size are / were the Slimeballs?

They do come in 60mm (which are great fun for bigger type wheels) but also down as low as 53 or 52mm as well, so it depends on what size wheel you are wanting, which i have not seen you say yet.

Most of these other wheels mentioned also come in 52 up to 56 or so and readily available for the most part, depending on where you are or where you are willing to buy from.


There really are so many alternatives, big to small, hard to soft, so depending on where you are might limit your options.


Filmer wheels (around 80 to 90 duro) are so good for cruising as well but are rather limiting for skating more normally, but if you are used to them, I gues it is ok as I know people who love them for everything.  The Bones / Powell 90 duro wheels are really good for still getting around fast and you can skate them easily enough on transition but they do slow you down in tricks that would normally keep you rolling faster with harder wheels, not so much slides, but grinds where the wheel is pushing against the edge like slappies to some degree too.

Normal wheels, even slightly softer will be a much better overall ride, so 95+ duro

Even between Slimeballs 97 and Spitfire 97s there are significant differences - I have both and they are both good wheels,  for a slightly softer normal wheel feel.

I got the classic 56mm 97 Spitfires and they are so good being that little bit bigger, great for slappy grinds, not so easy for nose or tail slides right now but they will wear down over time and last a lot longer too.

So that is just my opinion and most of my normal boards have 99 duro Spitfires that are closer to 52-54 worn down wheels that were bigger when new, but I still have boards with 97, 95, 92 and some even softer wheels that are good for certain things.

How do the slimeball 97’s slide compter to spitfire 97’s? I love the spitfires and how they slide but haven’t tried my slime balls yet and am not sure if I want to ride them or sell/trade them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 07:06:04 AM

How do the slimeball 97’s slide compter to spitfire 97’s? I love the spitfires and how they slide but haven’t tried my slime balls yet and am not sure if I want to ride them or sell/trade them

I would say much the same overall - both need a little more effort as they do grip more, but also both can still slide fairly well when you get them going.

There are still slight differences in riding them, maybe I am just more a Spitfire guy than anything else, but they both do the job I wanted which was NOT to slip out on some slightly more slick surfaces (new concrete park and wooden ramp) but also were fun on the rough road too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 23, 2021, 07:24:00 AM
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How do the slimeball 97’s slide compter to spitfire 97’s? I love the spitfires and how they slide but haven’t tried my slime balls yet and am not sure if I want to ride them or sell/trade them
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I would say much the same overall - both need a little more effort as they do grip more, but also both can still slide fairly well when you get them going.

There are still slight differences in riding them, maybe I am just more a Spitfire guy than anything else, but they both do the job I wanted which was NOT to slip out on some slightly more slick surfaces (new concrete park and wooden ramp) but also were fun on the rough road too.

Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Movies on June 25, 2021, 01:36:06 PM
Just a heads up for any Canadians looking to try one of the newer indy wheel brands, it looks like The Source in Calgary has a full selection of Loopholes, NFG's and Snot Wheels in stock....

https://www.sourceboards.com/collections/wheels

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: con_hielo on June 28, 2021, 08:44:52 PM
Just a heads up for any Canadians looking to try one of the newer indy wheel brands, it looks like The Source in Calgary has a full selection of Loopholes, NFG's and Snot Wheels in stock....

https://www.sourceboards.com/collections/wheels

Shit! Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on June 29, 2021, 06:20:05 AM
2 sessions in on bones 99a bones V5s  they are kind of a natural color but very light and i really like the shape. I get the plastic feel now but I kinda like it. They slide great on ledges and feel a little smoother than my f4 classics. I haven’t skated them in a park yet though. I can’t break into power slides like I could with classics. The bones stick more in that aspect or as of now they do.

Also where the bearing spacer wound fit nicely in my f4 classics on the bones it kinda just floats.  The opening is so big. Debating if I should just pull spacers or keep them in
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 30, 2021, 07:13:45 PM
2 sessions in on bones 99a bones V5s  they are kind of a natural color but very light and i really like the shape. I get the plastic feel now but I kinda like it. They slide great on ledges and feel a little smoother than my f4 classics. I haven’t skated them in a park yet though. I can’t break into power slides like I could with classics. The bones stick more in that aspect or as of now they do.

Also where the bearing spacer wound fit nicely in my f4 classics on the bones it kinda just floats.  The opening is so big. Debating if I should just pull spacers or keep them in

The Bones V5 is tied for best shape with the V3.

I ditched my spaces on my V3s (and my tablets) as they are so skinny, the entire bearing assembly will shift a few mm each way if you try to push them down to 'touch' the spacer correctly.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on July 01, 2021, 01:37:13 PM
Has anyone tried the bones spf 81b? I'm curious if they are useable outside smooth parks. I need some bigger wheels and the only spitfire f4s available are 54 and below.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on July 01, 2021, 01:46:35 PM
Has anyone tried the bones spf 81b? I'm curious if they are useable outside smooth parks. I need some bigger wheels and the only spitfire f4s available are 54 and below.
don't have any input on the bones but spitfire does have some 56s going around rn in the conical full and classics.
source: i just ordered some.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 01, 2021, 03:45:24 PM
Has anyone tried the bones spf 81b? I'm curious if they are useable outside smooth parks. I need some bigger wheels and the only spitfire f4s available are 54 and below.

Had a lot when I worked at the indoor park shop and there really wasn't a whole lot of difference between the 81b and the 84b for people using them on the indoor park ramps - both were a very hard and fast wheel to skate, but maybe ever so slightly less slippery than the usual ones - exactly like a Bones wheel feels to me on most surfaces, sort of slippery on the masonite like surface but also had decent grip on the raw concrete carpark out the front which was better for me.

They are a hard fast wheel that will rattle on rough surfaces (like roads), but ride well on rough old skateparks.


NOTE: the B scale is 20 points lower than the A scale, even though there is not a measure that really goes over 100 on the A scale, they are roughly translated like this:  81b to 101a and 84b to 104a


The 80a wheels are super soft and cruiser board wheels, as per the Spitfire 80 HD (high density) but are still 80a.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on July 02, 2021, 12:06:36 AM
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Has anyone tried the bones spf 81b? I'm curious if they are useable outside smooth parks. I need some bigger wheels and the only spitfire f4s available are 54 and below.
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Had a lot when I worked at the indoor park shop and there really wasn't a whole lot of difference between the 81b and the 84b for people using them on the indoor park ramps - both were a very hard and fast wheel to skate, but maybe ever so slightly less slippery than the usual ones - exactly like a Bones wheel feels to me on most surfaces, sort of slippery on the masonite like surface but also had decent grip on the raw concrete carpark out the front which was better for me.

They are a hard fast wheel that will rattle on rough surfaces (like roads), but ride well on rough old skateparks.


NOTE: the B scale is 20 points lower than the A scale, even though there is not a measure that really goes over 100 on the A scale, they are roughly translated like this:  81b to 101a and 84b to 104a


The 80a wheels are super soft and cruiser board wheels, as per the Spitfire 80 HD (high density) but are still 80a.

So they do not perform as good as spitfire in the streets?In durometer those 81b should be comparable to 101a spitfire. :o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: slappy50 on July 02, 2021, 12:38:53 AM
i have an older set of 81b spfs in the v6 shape and tbh I really don't like them that much. they really don't like to slide - in fact, they slide less than my 97a f4 conical fulls. they are hard and chattery though, and they feel kind of plasticky to me. I tried to push some slides out of them and just stuck a bunch, so I was kind of disappointed by that. maybe they would be better in a smooth or painted bowl though, as I mainly skate street. big recommend on the 97as though, I didn't like them at first but now that they're like 6 weeks old I've grown to really like them. they feel like a good in-between wheel, though I still think 99a is better for smooth surfaces and parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 02, 2021, 12:40:14 AM
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Has anyone tried the bones spf 81b? I'm curious if they are useable outside smooth parks. I need some bigger wheels and the only spitfire f4s available are 54 and below.
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Had a lot when I worked at the indoor park shop and there really wasn't a whole lot of difference between the 81b and the 84b for people using them on the indoor park ramps - both were a very hard and fast wheel to skate, but maybe ever so slightly less slippery than the usual ones - exactly like a Bones wheel feels to me on most surfaces, sort of slippery on the masonite like surface but also had decent grip on the raw concrete carpark out the front which was better for me.

They are a hard fast wheel that will rattle on rough surfaces (like roads), but ride well on rough old skateparks.


NOTE: the B scale is 20 points lower than the A scale, even though there is not a measure that really goes over 100 on the A scale, they are roughly translated like this:  81b to 101a and 84b to 104a


The 80a wheels are super soft and cruiser board wheels, as per the Spitfire 80 HD (high density) but are still 80a.
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So they do not perform as good as spitfire in the streets?In durometer those 81b should be comparable to 101a spitfire. :o

I'd rock Spitfire 101a in the street over Bones 101a / 103a any day. Bones are unforgivingly hard on anything other than smooth skate parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 02:53:24 AM
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Has anyone tried the bones spf 81b? I'm curious if they are useable outside smooth parks. I need some bigger wheels and the only spitfire f4s available are 54 and below.
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Had a lot when I worked at the indoor park shop and there really wasn't a whole lot of difference between the 81b and the 84b for people using them on the indoor park ramps - both were a very hard and fast wheel to skate, but maybe ever so slightly less slippery than the usual ones - exactly like a Bones wheel feels to me on most surfaces, sort of slippery on the masonite like surface but also had decent grip on the raw concrete carpark out the front which was better for me.

They are a hard fast wheel that will rattle on rough surfaces (like roads), but ride well on rough old skateparks.


NOTE: the B scale is 20 points lower than the A scale, even though there is not a measure that really goes over 100 on the A scale, they are roughly translated like this:  81b to 101a and 84b to 104a


The 80a wheels are super soft and cruiser board wheels, as per the Spitfire 80 HD (high density) but are still 80a.
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So they do not perform as good as spitfire in the streets?In durometer those 81b should be comparable to 101a spitfire. :o

What size mm are you thinking of going up to?

If you said 54mm are the biggest in Spitfire they have, but I know I have some bigger 56, 58 and 60mm wheels of a few brands and unless you just want to go crazy fast, I would probably think 54mm 99 duro Spitfires would be more fun overall than larger Bones wheels.

That is not to say medium size 54mm wheels are everything, as bigger wheels go faster, last longer, etc.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on July 02, 2021, 06:02:19 AM
I'm thinking of 56-60mm. The faster the better.  Currently I'm riding worn down 53 stf 99a. I liked them and thought about those 58-60 spf 81b. Maybe I should try those bones 56 v6 in 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 02, 2021, 12:51:37 PM
Regarding Loopholes I had the total opposite experience on the classic shape. I got the Krebs 52's, 2 sets from a legit shop. Both measured different- one was 50.5 and one was 51. They wore pretty well and felt better than my SML's, but I thought they were much harder to break into a slide than F4 99. Overall a good alternate. QC might be a little rough as both sets and my friend's sets had some bubbles in the sidewalls, but this really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 02:44:47 PM
I'm thinking of 56-60mm. The faster the better.  Currently I'm riding worn down 53 stf 99a. I liked them and thought about those 58-60 spf 81b. Maybe I should try those bones 56 v6 in 99a.

If you are already on Bones, then you know what they feel like, so no issues there - go get the bigger Bones wheels.

It is more if people don't know how Bones wheels feel, then they often get a surprise if they are used to other wheels.

Those bigger ones will definitely go fast and last a lot longer too!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on July 03, 2021, 02:57:39 AM
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I'm thinking of 56-60mm. The faster the better.  Currently I'm riding worn down 53 stf 99a. I liked them and thought about those 58-60 spf 81b. Maybe I should try those bones 56 v6 in 99a.
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If you are already on Bones, then you know what they feel like, so no issues there - go get the bigger Bones wheels.

It is more if people don't know how Bones wheels feel, then they often get a surprise if they are used to other wheels.

Those bigger ones will definitely go fast and last a lot longer too!

You make me curious, your post reads like bones feel like "garbage". What's the point, are spitfires, oj ... faster, smoother or more tolerant to death pebbles or...? I've never ridden other wheels than bones(besides soft wheels from various manufacturers).

I'm not planning on riding super smooth parks only. My 53 stf are down to 50-51 and start to get stuck in cracks and being stopped by pebbles, so I thought maybe those 58s spf 81b might be good for hard wheel fun on medium crusty asphalt.
Watched some Ben degros video bones Vs. f4 and he said that his bones 83b felt the fastest. 81b spf should be slightly softer I guess?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 03, 2021, 11:05:00 AM
I'm not planning on riding super smooth parks only. My 53 stf are down to 50-51 and start to get stuck in cracks and being stopped by pebbles, so I thought maybe those 58s spf 81b might be good for hard wheel fun on medium crusty asphalt.
Watched some Ben degros video bones Vs. f4 and he said that his bones 83b felt the fastest. 81b spf should be slightly softer I guess?

I haven't skated the 81B - but have boards currently built with 84B SPF, 103 STF, 99 STF, 101 F4 and 99 F4.   

As I understand it, the 81B have more grip than the 84B but are still a park wheel and not something that is going to be all that great in the street.

99 STF are meant for the street.  And they are pretty good in the park as well.  They have a bit more grip than the F4 99a if you want that - or get the F4 99a if you want to slide more.   On crappy pavement you should look for the shape that has the widest contact patch. V6 bones would be great, as would Conical Full spits.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 03, 2021, 04:40:41 PM
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I'm thinking of 56-60mm. The faster the better.  Currently I'm riding worn down 53 stf 99a. I liked them and thought about those 58-60 spf 81b. Maybe I should try those bones 56 v6 in 99a.
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If you are already on Bones, then you know what they feel like, so no issues there - go get the bigger Bones wheels.

It is more if people don't know how Bones wheels feel, then they often get a surprise if they are used to other wheels.

Those bigger ones will definitely go fast and last a lot longer too!
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You make me curious, your post reads like bones feel like "garbage". What's the point, are spitfires, oj ... faster, smoother or more tolerant to death pebbles or...? I've never ridden other wheels than bones(besides soft wheels from various manufacturers).

I'm not planning on riding super smooth parks only. My 53 stf are down to 50-51 and start to get stuck in cracks and being stopped by pebbles, so I thought maybe those 58s spf 81b might be good for hard wheel fun on medium crusty asphalt.
Watched some Ben degros video bones Vs. f4 and he said that his bones 83b felt the fastest. 81b spf should be slightly softer I guess?

Ha yeah, more so just trying to help with the options you have at hand.

Sometimes I feel like people almost want to be told this brand or this size will work better for them, but I guess at the end of the day, if you know what the product feels like, then you are already half way there, but if you are not at all sure of what something is like (and have no way of trying it out before you buy it) then it makes it a little more difficult.

Bones and Spitfire have always been in 1st and 2nd place on the wheel ladder and even though I prefer Spitfire myself, I would never try to talk someone out of buying Bones, especially if that is more so what they have available.  Some other people I know have always been Bones only and for good reason - the longest lasting, most flatspot resistant wheel on the market for such a long time.  Since Formula Four came through, I think a lot more people have never looked back and are only riding Spitfire, which I can also understand, as I am pretty much in that category, even though I have lots of other wheel brands on other boards too.

I feel like Spitfire F4 99 duro are a lot more forgiving on rougher ground, as I skate road and carpark areas a lot on them, but that is not to say that those Bones 81b wheels will not also skate great on the same areas.

The F4 97 duro is also a good one for rougher ground and lots of people have them as their main board nowdays, but I found them to be just a little soft for what I am used to as my everyday board, otherwise I would have said those ones too.

The different brands have quite different compounds of urethane, so perform differently too, but at the end of the day, I think those Bones 81b wheels in 58 would be great for, as you said - medium crusty asphalt.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on July 04, 2021, 04:52:24 AM
All right, I ride my spare wheels and keep my eyes open for either Bones v6 or conical fulls.
Thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NowhereInLife on July 05, 2021, 11:09:17 AM
spf have less rebound so don't do well in the streets.  also they don't slide as well.  this is from my experience using spf 81b as a street wheel a few years back pre stf 99, which have the best roll on asphalt of all the hard wheels but can grab a little in slidy situations.

i stay on F4 99 classics these days for the slide and general all around highest marks. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on July 07, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
i just got some new 54mm spitfire classics in 97a and i think they might be my favorite wheel yet. they grip on park and transition well enough you feel secure while also being fast. i also rode them in the rough parking lot spot i hit and it has been a smoother ride than the 99a ones i had before this. would reccommend these as a good all around wheel so far
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatrickSkateman on July 07, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
So are Loophole wheels actually good?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 07, 2021, 02:46:58 PM
So are Loophole wheels actually good?
yes!!!!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: con_hielo on July 08, 2021, 07:09:37 AM
Need help guys! I've been trying to decide since last week between 58mm 97A Spitfire Conical Fulls and 56mm NFG/Loophole V shape, but I can't ahah. I'm lightly broke so limited to one set for the summer ahah ( "-_-)/

Riding 58mm 99A Spit CF worn down to 48mm right now and skating mostly old/newish concrete parks and a little bit of street cruising/skating. I'm torn apart because it feels like the 97a would be the best for cruising around on my normal setup and let go of my big cruiser with OJ on and that the Loophole would slide better than my 99a, which I feel are kinda sticky in the parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 08, 2021, 08:11:53 AM
56 v-cut loopholes are my fav wheels ever!
Can be a bit of inconsistency with the urethane though as they are hand poured. My 56s were always like absolute butter to slide on but I have some 52mm teardrops they didn’t really come into their prime until I wore them down a mm or so... 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on July 08, 2021, 11:49:41 AM
NFG/Loophole/Smoothie urethane is the shit, don't sleep on 'em... there may be some QC issues like bubbles and sizing inconsistencies but those guys are trying their best with what they have their hands on in terms of equipment, they would absolutely love to upgrade their setup and plan on doing so once they an afford it but the stuff one uses to make wheels like whatever those big mixer/pourer things are called and the machined wheel molds are super expensive. The bossman already has to deal with paying rent for a shop space in the Bay alongside paying a living wage to the skaters that come in to help make wheels, in addition to the COVID induced price increases in urethane which seem to keep growing every day. Essentially, if we all buy more NFG urethane, their QC issues that people like to point out will eventually disappear, since they are pretty much fixed by throwing money at them, so to speak. Besides, a little bit of bubbles on the sidewall never hurt anyone. When I ride NFGs with the bubbles facing inwards they don't mess with my grinds at all really, and they look kinda cool after they've been worn down a bit. If you're in doubt about trying them just get a set of 2nds off their website, you will likely notice that they ride just as well as full price wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 15, 2021, 01:20:50 AM
Anyone know the dimension on Autobahn wheels?

Specifically the 52mm Street Slims / 54mm Duo Durometer ones?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on July 19, 2021, 10:55:59 AM
Anyone have a favorite wheel for truly icy concrete parks?

Moved to a new town, I thought I liked real hard wheels on smooth concrete, but the park under the bridge is like glass and a little dusty from soot/tire dust.

Seems like the real hard wheels need a little texture on the ground to grip, these 101a oj elites are fast but scary.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on July 19, 2021, 11:36:01 AM
Anyone have a favorite wheel for truly icy concrete parks?

Moved to a new town, I thought I liked real hard wheels on smooth concrete, but the park under the bridge is like glass and a little dusty from soot/tire dust.

Seems like the real hard wheels need a little texture on the ground to grip, these 101a oj elites are fast but scary.

Had the same experience recently - got a new local park that is slick like ice - Bones SPF 81B is the answer. Insanely fast and grippy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 19, 2021, 03:26:47 PM
Anyone have a favorite wheel for truly icy concrete parks?

Moved to a new town, I thought I liked real hard wheels on smooth concrete, but the park under the bridge is like glass and a little dusty from soot/tire dust.

Seems like the real hard wheels need a little texture on the ground to grip, these 101a oj elites are fast but scary.

Speedlab bombshells are my favorite wheel for really slick concrete. They grip like a 97a but have the speed of a 99a+ wheel. If 57mm is too big or you’re not into green wheels, I’m sure any of the other 99a offerings from Speedlab will have similar grip. They also have the 56mm 97a Nomads that I’ve heard nothing but good things about.

I ride Spitfire F4 99 duro. They’re not the best on slick concrete but they are good enough.

If you’re going for absolute confidence that you won’t slip out, go with the Speedlabs. If you don’t mind a little bit of slip here and there, go with the Spitfire F4 99 (because they are the best all-around wheel, most of Slap will back me up on that)

Stay away from Bones on the slippery stuff


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on July 19, 2021, 05:07:45 PM
Anyone have a favorite wheel for truly icy concrete parks?

Moved to a new town, I thought I liked real hard wheels on smooth concrete, but the park under the bridge is like glass and a little dusty from soot/tire dust.

Seems like the real hard wheels need a little texture on the ground to grip, these 101a oj elites are fast but scary.

Bones SPF truly have a Magic’s formula for skatepark concrete. Nothing else I have skated compares.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on July 19, 2021, 07:39:17 PM
Anyone know the dimension on Autobahn wheels?

Specifically the 52mm Street Slims / 54mm Duo Durometer ones?
Their Instagram is probably your best resource. Should be easy to get answers.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNSypOJlKO1/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 20, 2021, 01:53:33 AM
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Anyone know the dimension on Autobahn wheels?

Specifically the 52mm Street Slims / 54mm Duo Durometer ones?
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Their Instagram is probably your best resource. Should be easy to get answers.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNSypOJlKO1/?utm_medium=copy_link

Got myself a set an broke out the calipers.

Measured size x width x contact patch
54 x 29.7 x  17.4

Maybe it started off as
54 x 30 x 18

Really liked them at the park today. Skinny wheels lock in so well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 20, 2021, 08:14:32 AM
Rode two sets of those DD ABXs great wheel and soo fricking slim.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 20, 2021, 06:29:19 PM
Rode two sets of those DD ABXs great wheel and soo fricking slim.

I have the 52mm on my wife's board and they lightened up the board so much.

Haven't tested them out of slick surfaces yet, but these are definitely a hidden gem of a wheel in terms of tech performance. Same width as a Bones V3 with a little more riding patch is a definite plus.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 20, 2021, 07:13:40 PM
I'm looking for some big soft wheels for cruising and filming. Has anybody tried Slime Balls? Never had a set but I dig the look of them and the tees and gear they make too. Should I just stick with OJ's?

Haven’t tried Slimeballs but Oj super juice mini and Ricta clouds are the best cruiser wheels I’ve skated. No chunking and super smooth
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on July 20, 2021, 07:17:42 PM
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I'm looking for some big soft wheels for cruising and filming. Has anybody tried Slime Balls? Never had a set but I dig the look of them and the tees and gear they make too. Should I just stick with OJ's?
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Haven’t tried Slimeballs but Oj super juice mini and Ricta clouds are the best cruiser wheels I’ve skated. No chunking and super smooth
+1 on Ricta clouds, i had the 92a 57mm and they were awesome
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 20, 2021, 07:53:37 PM
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I'm looking for some big soft wheels for cruising and filming. Has anybody tried Slime Balls? Never had a set but I dig the look of them and the tees and gear they make too. Should I just stick with OJ's?
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Haven’t tried Slimeballs but Oj super juice mini and Ricta clouds are the best cruiser wheels I’ve skated. No chunking and super smooth
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+1 on Ricta clouds, i had the 92a 57mm and they were awesome

Ricta Clouds are the de facto suggestion for cruiser wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 20, 2021, 11:09:37 PM
I'm looking for some big soft wheels for cruising and filming. Has anybody tried Slime Balls? Never had a set but I dig the look of them and the tees and gear they make too. Should I just stick with OJ's?

My wife has the 60mm 78a Slimeballs, they’re really nice for bombing hills or cruising to the beer store. They handle the shitty roads here in Seattle really well. They are surprisingly not terrible for carving around bowls either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shoebox on July 21, 2021, 03:01:07 AM
Any opinions on loophole wheels?

I’ve got some 101 f4s and they’re a bit slidey at my local. Considering 99 f4s but they are £50! Also not sure if they’ll feel too soft?

Local shop has loopholes in a bit cheaper wondered if they are a viable alternative?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 21, 2021, 03:26:07 AM
Loopholes are the best, I’m not riding else for e meantime! Feel somewhere between a 99 and 101 F4 imo, the v-cuts ricin of you like conicals
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shoebox on July 21, 2021, 04:06:42 AM
Right between 99/101 sounds ideal. I been on conicals for a while but was considering going for the rounded shape for a change
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 21, 2021, 06:03:20 AM
Right between 99/101 sounds ideal. I been on conicals for a while but was considering going for the rounded shape for a change
i can’t say enough good things about them! If you want classic shape, go for the teardrops
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 21, 2021, 06:14:01 AM
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Right between 99/101 sounds ideal. I been on conicals for a while but was considering going for the rounded shape for a change
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i can’t say enough good things about them! If you want classic shape, go for the teardrops

How do the teardrops slide compared to the v shape? (If you have tried both).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 21, 2021, 07:05:44 AM
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Right between 99/101 sounds ideal. I been on conicals for a while but was considering going for the rounded shape for a change
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i can’t say enough good things about them! If you want classic shape, go for the teardrops
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How do the teardrops slide compared to the v shape? (If you have tried both).
funny thing, my v-cuts slide considerably better than the teardrops which kinda doesn’t make sense, but because they are hand poured you can get variance from wheel to wheel!
A guy at my local bought 54mm v-cuts after trying my 56s and then come up to me and was like, “they’re broken, they don’t slide like yours!” I rode around on his board for a minute to warm them up and while they screeched at little bit at first, I was sill doing some Leo Valls inspired combos within a few minutes on them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shoebox on July 21, 2021, 07:24:16 AM
I’ll pick some up this week and report back. Leaning towards the teardrop shape tbh
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 21, 2021, 07:25:36 AM
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i can’t say enough good things about them! If you want classic shape, go for the teardrops
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How do the teardrops slide compared to the v shape? (If you have tried both).
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funny thing, my v-cuts slide considerably better than the teardrops which kinda doesn’t make sense, but because they are hand poured you can get variance from wheel to wheel!
A guy at my local bought 54mm v-cuts after trying my 56s and then come up to me and was like, “they’re broken, they don’t slide like yours!” I rode around on his board for a minute to warm them up and while they screeched at little bit at first, I was sill doing some Leo Valls inspired combos within a few minutes on them.

Interesting! Yeah, the variance in urethane seems to be a factor. I’ve had two sets of square shapes and three sets of v shapes and noticed that one set of the squares slid exceptionally well whereas none of the v shapes slid well at all, except for the 95a ones. I thought maybe the smaller contact patch and rounded edges of the teardrop shape might make a difference but it sounds like it doesn’t haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: con_hielo on July 21, 2021, 08:39:56 AM
56 v-cut loopholes are my fav wheels ever!
Can be a bit of inconsistency with the urethane though as they are hand poured. My 56s were always like absolute butter to slide on but I have some 52mm teardrops they didn’t really come into their prime until I wore them down a mm or so...

Went with the 56s Vee! Thanks for the feedback, gonna report back!  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 22, 2021, 01:03:12 AM
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56 v-cut loopholes are my fav wheels ever!
Can be a bit of inconsistency with the urethane though as they are hand poured. My 56s were always like absolute butter to slide on but I have some 52mm teardrops they didn’t really come into their prime until I wore them down a mm or so...
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Went with the 56s Vee! Thanks for the feedback, gonna report back!  ;D
you’re in for some fun!!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on July 22, 2021, 06:42:59 AM
A quick ride report, OJ elites are really fast and slide well. Has the feel of modern high tech thane. They don't get a lot of attention on here but I think they are fair competition to SF and bones. Some people have mentioned flat spots but I wonder if that's their "from concentrate" line.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: topfrog10 on July 22, 2021, 12:36:02 PM
Anyone have a favorite wheel for truly icy concrete parks?

Moved to a new town, I thought I liked real hard wheels on smooth concrete, but the park under the bridge is like glass and a little dusty from soot/tire dust.

Seems like the real hard wheels need a little texture on the ground to grip, these 101a oj elites are fast but scary.

I've been riding spitfire 97a classics in 54mm lately and i was amazingly suprised how well they gripped at my park. took em to a almost completely painted spot yesterday and they held up super well too, no downsides of these softer wheels in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2021, 01:28:42 PM
Been back on Bones V5 99a and really like how they work for curbs and ledges....and oddly enough I finally came to realize that they're basically my favorite spitfire (awol) shape:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YybAM608ZDwUvt31zr0uo8xg88UK3YvveR6f9ZaToGlxsWra5-HOdSFhxa-HpqtpqYZOBE2wxLw2v3JH22SkSBjgXDf4KUiNfdFaiFRcGB1a3xRV6Mo2-s7tyQLjXtGuxjuVq7c1O3U=w2400)(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41y46dsF1ZL.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on July 22, 2021, 04:38:21 PM
A quick ride report, OJ elites are really fast and slide well. Has the feel of modern high tech thane. They don't get a lot of attention on here but I think they are fair competition to SF and bones. Some people have mentioned flat spots but I wonder if that's their "from concentrate" line.

agreed, skated some 101a mini combos last year and they were good wheels for what they were (small, wide, hard) and worked especially well where other wide wheels fail (slides). Interested in trying the 55mm 99a duro in the hardline shape and seeing how it feels compared to sml 99a formula which ive been skating for a minute now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2021, 09:28:36 PM
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A quick ride report, OJ elites are really fast and slide well. Has the feel of modern high tech thane. They don't get a lot of attention on here but I think they are fair competition to SF and bones. Some people have mentioned flat spots but I wonder if that's their "from concentrate" line.
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agreed, skated some 101a mini combos last year and they were good wheels for what they were (small, wide, hard) and worked especially well where other wide wheels fail (slides). Interested in trying the 55mm 99a duro in the hardline shape and seeing how it feels compared to sml 99a formula which ive been skating for a minute now

The regular pro OJs and fthe 'from concentrate' (pp wheel) line are trash.  Elite on the other hand is right up there with bones and spit in terms of quality but they're much MUCH grippier, even the 101s, and they stay white forever. I've a set of 54mm 101 hardlines I use for park/bowl use only - stupid fast and only slide out when you really want it (because you have to nudge them just a bit more).

Seeing as they are NHS, it's no wonder they get passed over on this forum...If wheels ain't brown, slap ain't down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fur lined sea on July 23, 2021, 05:34:19 AM
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Right between 99/101 sounds ideal. I been on conicals for a while but was considering going for the rounded shape for a change
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i can’t say enough good things about them! If you want classic shape, go for the teardrops
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How do the teardrops slide compared to the v shape? (If you have tried both).
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funny thing, my v-cuts slide considerably better than the teardrops which kinda doesn’t make sense, but because they are hand poured you can get variance from wheel to wheel!
A guy at my local bought 54mm v-cuts after trying my 56s and then come up to me and was like, “they’re broken, they don’t slide like yours!” I rode around on his board for a minute to warm them up and while they screeched at little bit at first, I was sill doing some Leo Valls inspired combos within a few minutes on them.
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Interesting! Yeah, the variance in urethane seems to be a factor. I’ve had two sets of square shapes and three sets of v shapes and noticed that one set of the squares slid exceptionally well whereas none of the v shapes slid well at all, except for the 95a ones. I thought maybe the smaller contact patch and rounded edges of the teardrop shape might make a difference but it sounds like it doesn’t haha

Same experience here. The slide on my first set of square shapes was insane. Then I had some teardrops but the slide wasn't the same, still good, but not like the square shapes. I've got a new set of squares which break into slides better than the teardrops but not like that first set I had. All of them have been 54mm.

I have some V shapes to try next. I really like what those Loophole dudes are doing, they've got my support.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GBLange on July 23, 2021, 06:33:59 AM
anyone tried the OJ Nomads 95a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Jeffrey on July 23, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
Been running the 92a Chrome Clouds for awhile. Tremendously comfy without feeling "soft". Just put the 83b Smallbeating wheels back on and these things are so hard. Haven't done more than pop a few ollies in the garage but they're immediately more jarring. Will take them to my smooth concrete, mellow bank spot tonight and see which win out for my skating. Probably the softies. Both 56mm
(https://i.ibb.co/dJHq2KJ/IMG-20210723-090753609-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJHq2KJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/PQt9rgp/IMG-20210723-090906115-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PQt9rgp)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 23, 2021, 12:24:25 PM
Been running the 92a Chrome Clouds for awhile. Tremendously comfy without feeling "soft". Just put the 83b Smallbeating wheels back on and these things are so hard. Haven't done more than pop a few ollies in the garage but they're immediately more jarring. Will take them to my smooth concrete, mellow bank spot tonight and see which win out for my skating. Probably the softies. Both 56mm
(https://i.ibb.co/dJHq2KJ/IMG-20210723-090753609-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJHq2KJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/PQt9rgp/IMG-20210723-090906115-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PQt9rgp)

I’ve never tried the 92 clouds that I can recall, do they slide at all or are they 100% grippy?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Jeffrey on July 23, 2021, 02:48:42 PM
The reason I switched to hard is I want to get comfortable sliding. So I'm not currently the guy to ask because I'm not competent at it. That said, they do feel as if they're on the slideable end of soft wheels. But I only get little chirps for the most part. They feel like, for a competent street skater, they could be the perfect cruiser wheel set up, as it won't completely kill all your tricks. But I dunno
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 23, 2021, 06:43:50 PM
The reason I switched to hard is I want to get comfortable sliding. So I'm not currently the guy to ask because I'm not competent at it. That said, they do feel as if they're on the slideable end of soft wheels. But I only get little chirps for the most part. They feel like, for a competent street skater, they could be the perfect cruiser wheel set up, as it won't completely kill all your tricks. But I dunno

I gotcha, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on July 23, 2021, 07:00:30 PM
I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimGeko on July 24, 2021, 03:54:27 AM
I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom

if you've tried softish wheels (95, 97) and you are still slipping out I'm guessing it more about you actual board control.

edit: didn't mean to sound like a dick and I'm not assuming you aren't a good skater either. but if you are slipping out and can't always bring it back under control then maybe practice frontside and backside power slides. get used to how it feels to control slide and then maybe when you feel a slip coming you can get it back under control.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 24, 2021, 10:12:26 AM
I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom

99a Hardline OJ elites
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on July 24, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
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I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom
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if you've tried softish wheels (95, 97) and you are still slipping out I'm guessing it more about you actual board control.

edit: didn't mean to sound like a dick and I'm not assuming you aren't a good skater either. but if you are slipping out and can't always bring it back under control then maybe practice frontside and backside power slides. get used to how it feels to control slide and then maybe when you feel a slip coming you can get it back under control.

Hey man, no worries. My board control is all there, I should have clarified I'm more of the hills/tranny/slappy type so when I'm in concrete bowls or skating indoor I just slip out easily at my weight and strength compared to the smaller sized more lean type dudes when I'm powering through tricks and making sharp turns on my Ace's. Not really much to offer where I live when it comes to street skating unless I make the drive to the city which is rare. The easy break into slides does have its advantage when bombing hills around here and we got some steep ones, but I could still probably manage fine if I find that grippier wheel I'm looking for. Cheers man.

99a Hardline OJ elites

I never mess with OJ's is the hardline shape more grippy? I tend to prefer the round shape and it looks like theirs is the "ez edge". You think that shape will be grippy enough? Thanks for the input man.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on July 24, 2021, 04:23:00 PM
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I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom
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if you've tried softish wheels (95, 97) and you are still slipping out I'm guessing it more about you actual board control.

edit: didn't mean to sound like a dick and I'm not assuming you aren't a good skater either. but if you are slipping out and can't always bring it back under control then maybe practice frontside and backside power slides. get used to how it feels to control slide and then maybe when you feel a slip coming you can get it back under control.
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Hey man, no worries. My board control is all there, I should have clarified I'm more of the hills/tranny/slappy type so when I'm in concrete bowls or skating indoor I just slip out easily at my weight and strength compared to the smaller sized more lean type dudes when I'm powering through tricks and making sharp turns on my Ace's. Not really much to offer where I live when it comes to street skating unless I make the drive to the city which is rare. The easy break into slides does have its advantage when bombing hills around here and we got some steep ones, but I could still probably manage fine if I find that grippier wheel I'm looking for. Cheers man.

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I never mess with OJ's is the hardline shape more grippy? I tend to prefer the round shape and it looks like theirs is the "ez edge". You think that shape will be grippy enough? Thanks for the input man.

The hardline shape is slightly wider than the bones V5 and resembles a spitfire conical. The wider riding surface will slow down the slide but having skated some rly wide OJ 101a's I can say that the urethane slides nice. 101a is pretty slippery on glassy skatepark ground so 99a definitely feels softer but I cant say how much. I would cop them in 55mm personally and its a potential next wheel for me. The ez edge is only offered up till 54mm so not for me but they are very very similar to spitfire classics (0.6mm wider riding surface but same width and shape). In 99a that should work for you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on July 24, 2021, 06:34:54 PM
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I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom
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if you've tried softish wheels (95, 97) and you are still slipping out I'm guessing it more about you actual board control.

edit: didn't mean to sound like a dick and I'm not assuming you aren't a good skater either. but if you are slipping out and can't always bring it back under control then maybe practice frontside and backside power slides. get used to how it feels to control slide and then maybe when you feel a slip coming you can get it back under control.
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Hey man, no worries. My board control is all there, I should have clarified I'm more of the hills/tranny/slappy type so when I'm in concrete bowls or skating indoor I just slip out easily at my weight and strength compared to the smaller sized more lean type dudes when I'm powering through tricks and making sharp turns on my Ace's. Not really much to offer where I live when it comes to street skating unless I make the drive to the city which is rare. The easy break into slides does have its advantage when bombing hills around here and we got some steep ones, but I could still probably manage fine if I find that grippier wheel I'm looking for. Cheers man.

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I never mess with OJ's is the hardline shape more grippy? I tend to prefer the round shape and it looks like theirs is the "ez edge". You think that shape will be grippy enough? Thanks for the input man.
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The hardline shape is slightly wider than the bones V5 and resembles a spitfire conical. The wider riding surface will slow down the slide but having skated some rly wide OJ 101a's I can say that the urethane slides nice. 101a is pretty slippery on glassy skatepark ground so 99a definitely feels softer but I cant say how much. I would cop them in 55mm personally and its a potential next wheel for me. The ez edge is only offered up till 54mm so not for me but they are very very similar to spitfire classics (0.6mm wider riding surface but same width and shape). In 99a that should work for you.

Damn, looks like they don't offer the ez edge in a 99a unfortunately. I'll try and scoop the hardlines from a local if they got em, otherwise I'll end up ordering them. Thanks for the response man!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 24, 2021, 07:16:59 PM
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I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom
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99a Hardline OJ elites

Been eyeing these since my local doesn’t have any F4s in my size. How do they compare to F4 99s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 24, 2021, 07:20:19 PM
Anybody ridden Acid wheels? The local shop is pretty well stocked on them. Looking for an F4 alternative at the moment
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on July 24, 2021, 08:29:16 PM
Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 24, 2021, 08:35:37 PM
Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on July 24, 2021, 11:21:57 PM
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Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.

this!

a wider wheel definitely makes the shit skaters want extra riding surface for easier to handle, it makes sense. I do agree tho that say, on glassy skatepark ground or uniform concrete (Westchester for example) a wider wheel would definitely still slide just as good as a thinner wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on July 24, 2021, 11:23:47 PM
I kinda have a wheel crisis going on right now and I need some pal recommendations. I've skated everything from 101, 99, 97, 95 in spitfire and others and I don't know if it's my hefty weight that allows me to break into powerslides so easily and also slip out when I don't need to but I really need a wheel that will let me still slide well yet not slip out yet also not pitch me either. Shalom

also bro try SML AG formula in the wide shape (not V cut) its 99a and slides sick once the treads wear off. such a sick wheel I love ripping around on them even at a super slippery skatepark (hella smooth ground and dust from construction) cuz I can just kinda slip and slide around the place avoiding everyone like Kevin Bradley
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Pennybabie on July 26, 2021, 04:16:06 PM
Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on July 26, 2021, 04:53:37 PM
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Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.

Wow, thanks for posting that video. Conclusive proof, I always thought a wider wheel would at least be a little grippier. I was wrong. Of course a wider wheel of the same size will be a few grams heavier but I doubt that makes much of a difference.

While we're on the subject a wheel's shape def has an impact in how it slides, at least in my experience. A classic shaped wheel will slide more easily than a conical, which will slide more easily than an old school vee shaped wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on July 26, 2021, 05:08:13 PM
Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
F4 99 54mm classics.
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Post by: Pennybabie on July 26, 2021, 05:18:44 PM
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.

Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.
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Post by: moonordie on July 26, 2021, 05:47:28 PM
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.
Depends of what you want to do regarding crust of the street, etc. I'm way deep down into spitfire country but I would like to try some OJ hardlines for a little change or some STF 99
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 26, 2021, 05:51:32 PM
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Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.

Ron Whaley's opinion is that theoretically it should't matter - but we don't skate in a lab and real world results show otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWRcq58E6XA
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Post by: MaXX_I-D on July 26, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
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Guys, I’ve heard that a wider wheel patch makes sliding easier, despite what we intuitively think about having more surface=more friction.

From what I understand, it’s the opposite. More surface spreads out the pressure, allowing easier sliding, whereas a smaller contact patch concentrates the pressure on smaller areas.

Is this true or not? In skiing and snowboarding, bigger boards definitely float and go faster than smaller ones.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idYX7kkRqbs

I can't find video but a while back Proff.Schmitt (grain of salt here) mentioned that even for bowls/vert whatever, thin wheels were just as grippy as wider wheels with the benefit of weight savings.

The real benefit is how well a wider wheel handles rough terrain vs a skinnier wheel.
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Ron Whaley's opinion is that theoretically it should't matter - but we don't skate in a lab and real world results show otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWRcq58E6XA
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 26, 2021, 06:21:10 PM
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.

Conicals or Radial Slims in 54mm 99a, I'm just nitpicking about Classics which feel / look chunky, the lock into grinds wasn't working for me.
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Post by: dr.prestige on July 26, 2021, 06:27:15 PM
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.

With all due respect to Spitfire fans out there, get Loopholes/NFGs instead! They ride just as well if not better than Formula Fours, and they're made in the Bay Area by actual skaters. If you don't mind cosmetic defects, you can get a set of 2nds on www.nfgmfg.com that ride just as well as their full price counterparts available in skateshops.
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Post by: moonordie on July 26, 2021, 06:29:46 PM
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Wheel recs? Not looking for anything special just doing regular street stuff.  8)
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.
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With all due respect to Spitfire fans out there, get Loopholes/NFGs instead! They ride just as well if not better than Formula Fours, and they're made in the Bay Area by actual skaters. If you don't mind cosmetic defects, you can get a set of 2nds on www.nfgmfg.com that ride just as well as their full price counterparts available in skateshops.
Would love to but down here we don't get shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 26, 2021, 06:44:12 PM
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F4 99 54mm classics.
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Spite fires nice! If you have another rec let me know ill see if I can pick them up too.
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With all due respect to Spitfire fans out there, get Loopholes/NFGs instead! They ride just as well if not better than Formula Fours, and they're made in the Bay Area by actual skaters. If you don't mind cosmetic defects, you can get a set of 2nds on www.nfgmfg.com that ride just as well as their full price counterparts available in skateshops.

Teardrop - Classics
Square - Tablets
Vee - Conical Full

Did I get that right?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 26, 2021, 07:26:16 PM
↑ yup!!!
56 v-cuts ftw
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on July 26, 2021, 07:45:40 PM
Switched from oj mini combos to bones conicals and my flip tricks got shittier. Starting to think mini combos are my shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Jeffrey on August 01, 2021, 05:18:39 PM
Wheel spacer question. As a bike mechanic I understand why performance of the bearings should be way more reliable with proper spacers. But they seem to make my wheels sound insane. Way more noise as they spin. What's the deal
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2021, 11:13:57 AM
Wheel spacer question. As a bike mechanic I understand why performance of the bearings should be way more reliable with proper spacers. But they seem to make my wheels sound insane. Way more noise as they spin. What's the deal

When you tighten them are they snug? It's the whole point of spacers and speed rings.

I go back and forth on spacer usage...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on August 04, 2021, 07:06:54 PM
how much of an adjustment would i have to make from 54mm 99a tablets to 58mm conical? is the weight difference all that severe? for reference i’m on ace AF1 55 with 1/8 risers.
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Post by: TooManyPros on August 04, 2021, 07:18:31 PM
how much of an adjustment would i have to make from 54mm 99a tablets to 58mm conical? is the weight difference all that severe? for reference i’m on ace AF1 55 with 1/8 risers.

No offense, but if you are riding AF1 55s, weight is already not a concern ;) I doubt you'd notice the difference.

Do they even make a 58mm conical anymore? I know the Conical Fulls got up to 58 and at that point you've got a 6mm difference in width, so a gram or two per wheel, maybe? Less than the weight of one bearing.

I'm swearing off tablets, I fucking hate them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on August 04, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
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how much of an adjustment would i have to make from 54mm 99a tablets to 58mm conical? is the weight difference all that severe? for reference i’m on ace AF1 55 with 1/8 risers.
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No offense, but if you are riding AF1 55s, weight is already not a concern ;) I doubt you'd notice the difference.

Do they even make a 58mm conical anymore? I know the Conical Fulls got up to 58 and at that point you've got a 6mm difference in width, so a gram or two per wheel, maybe? Less than the weight of one bearing.

I'm swearing off tablets, I fucking hate them.
no offense taken hahaha. thanks for the info in regards to stats. i found some 58 conicals in 97a and some 56s in 99a. kinda stuck between the two. Tablets have been ok for me but i like the overall shape of conicals better. they work much better for me getting across my campus and for slappys :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2021, 09:50:22 PM
Couldn't find it so not sure if it was posted (and I'm lazy):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfO9VS5aRxE
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 05, 2021, 07:41:33 AM
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Wheel spacer question. As a bike mechanic I understand why performance of the bearings should be way more reliable with proper spacers. But they seem to make my wheels sound insane. Way more noise as they spin. What's the deal
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When you tighten them are they snug? It's the whole point of spacers and speed rings.

I go back and forth on spacer usage...

I was a bike mechanic too and used spacers until recently.

I don’t use them anymore. Skateboard wheels don’t have great tolerances and urethane is somewhat flexible. What I found is spacers can make my bearings jam and fuck them up more. Spacers make the bearing unit rigid whereas force on the wheel is not equal. If you land semi primo, as I do sometimes popping out of a crooked grind, you have pressure on the outside of the wheel, which makes the wheel twist towards the truck kingpin. Spacers keep the bearing unit rigid during the twist, which creates a ton of force on the bearings and jams them as the races twist.

If you don’t have the spacers then the bearing can move with the urethane and often rebound back into place. A bike is almost always a rigid unit with little rotational force like this. A good example are cup and cone bearings or even sealed axle bearings. On a bike you mostly have vertical force and occasionally lateral force, but even in sharp turns no rotational force.

Lastly lots of wheels have inconsistent spec which only exacerbates the issue. I’ve tossed my spacers and not had a single issue so far whereas I have ruined a few bearings over the past few years with them. I literally cracked a race of a Swiss and a Quantum.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2021, 09:45:08 AM
I feel in a perfect scenario, such as longboard/downhill, spacers fulfill their role (roll) as intended,

The shit we put our bearings through pretty much shits all over the intended [correct] installation and use for bearings and their tolerances.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 05, 2021, 10:16:15 AM
Even on things like a bike a tad bit of preload wiggle is good. When the UCI Road World Champs came to the States my friend was a mechanic for the event and I got to see some of the pro team bikes up close. Almost all of them had a slight bit of lateral play in the axle bearings because the course had a rough cobblestone section. My logic for skateboard wheels comes from that idea.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Even on things like a bike a tad bit of preload wiggle is good. When the UCI Road World Champs came to the States my friend was a mechanic for the event and I got to see some of the pro team bikes up close. Almost all of them had a slight bit of lateral play in the axle bearings because the course had a rough cobblestone section. My logic for skateboard wheels comes from that idea.

For me it was what I thought was basic logic, whether right or wrong (and to be fair, I have no idea if I ran spacers as a kid) but wheels tightened down didn't spin, wheels not so tight (with lateral play *click*click*) did, so i went with that...plus it sounds better, hard wheels actually chirp and doesn't make your board feel or sound waterlogged.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 05, 2021, 01:32:09 PM
I am pretty sure that I never ran spacers as a kid cuz it seemed like unnecessary weight, but always ran washers with a bit of wiggle waggle.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 05, 2021, 02:16:30 PM
I am pretty sure that I never ran spacers as a kid cuz it seemed like unnecessary weight, but always ran washers with a bit of wiggle waggle.

Bones has those bearings with built in spaces but not sure they are universal.

On a separate topic, looking for bigger street wheels like Spitfire Big Heads. I really want that donut wheel ‘classic cut’ vibe.

Are there any other wheel companies that make large round sided wheels?

Acid Chemical Co and Road Crew seem to make larger wheels. Any one try either of these wheels? Any thing else? Thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2021, 02:45:11 PM
Big Ass Spit Radials or bones V6 fatties maybe?

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/radials-wheels.png)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/radial-spec.jpg)

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20201105/BONES-V-SHAPE-SLIDER-V6-WIDECUT.jpg)

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels

https://socalskateshop.com/Dogtown-K-9-Re-Issue-Single-Conical-Wheels-White-60mm-97a.html
(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/29/Dogtown_K9_Wheels_White_2.jpg)


https://socalskateshop.com/Slime-Balls-Vomit-Mini-II-Skateboard-Wheels-Yellow-54mm-97a.html
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 05, 2021, 02:53:02 PM
Spitfire OG Classic or Radial
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 05, 2021, 04:44:23 PM
Thanks for the suggestions boys. I am putting together a EE3 style skateboard and I am interested in era style wheels. I saw 59mm big heads on Parade that I may buy but I was just wondering what other options are.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/ar_1,c_pad/w_747,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/zf10xwtazwuvjc39yhxw)

Thanks @Xen for the various suggestions. The Dogtown’s are pretty cool but look a bit too wide. My classics 55mm are great for slappies. I’m just looking to increase the wheel size for a Reasonesque set up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2021, 06:28:41 PM
Thanks for the suggestions boys. I am putting together a EE3 style skateboard and I am interested in era style wheels. I saw 59mm big heads on Parade that I may buy but I was just wondering what other options are.

(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/ar_1,c_pad/w_747,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/zf10xwtazwuvjc39yhxw)

Thanks @Xen for the various suggestions. The Dogtown’s are pretty cool but look a bit too wide. My classics 55mm are great for slappies. I’m just looking to increase the wheel size for a Reasonesque set up.

Right? Those Dogtowns are NO JOKE! I've ridden some 99a dogtowns, they are quite nice (feel like spit classics in a way); wonder how the 97a feel.

Honestly I think Radials will be your best bet (these are 55mm):
(https://cdn.ccs.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/550x550/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/8/8/888560188235-2.1555732462.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on August 10, 2021, 06:07:00 AM
Am I correct in my assumption that Bones 99a STF is the wheel formerly known as Bones 99s Easy Streets, or is there somehow a difference aside from the clever name?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on August 10, 2021, 06:39:05 AM
Am I correct in my assumption that Bones 99a STF is the wheel formerly known as Bones 99s Easy Streets, or is there somehow a difference aside from the clever name?

Same in theory, but they make a very white and more natural color version. People say there are feel differences between the two.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on August 10, 2021, 06:46:40 AM
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Same in theory, but they make a very white and more natural color version. People say there are feel differences between the two.

ok thanks, didn't know that, like the wheel dye makes it more slippy or something?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 10, 2021, 06:50:03 AM
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Same in theory, but they make a very white and more natural color version. People say there are feel differences between the two.
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ok thanks, didn't know that, like the wheel dye makes it more slippy or something?

Not sure if it’s the dye but the easy streets I got when they first came out were white, felt a little softer and slid waaay better than the natural color ones that came out later. Felt kind of similar to the 97a F4’s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
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Same in theory, but they make a very white and more natural color version. People say there are feel differences between the two.
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ok thanks, didn't know that, like the wheel dye makes it more slippy or something?
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Not sure if it’s the dye but the easy streets I got when they first came out were white, felt a little softer and slid waaay better than the natural color ones that came out later. Felt kind of similar to the 97a F4’s

First gen 'white' 99a eazy streets > second gen 99a 'dirty birds (now just plane old brown stfs)

Totally different feeling wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yep yep on August 10, 2021, 04:03:03 PM
Big Ass Spit Radials or bones V6 fatties maybe?

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/radials-wheels.png)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/radial-spec.jpg)

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20201105/BONES-V-SHAPE-SLIDER-V6-WIDECUT.jpg)

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels

https://socalskateshop.com/Dogtown-K-9-Re-Issue-Single-Conical-Wheels-White-60mm-97a.html
(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/29/Dogtown_K9_Wheels_White_2.jpg)


https://socalskateshop.com/Slime-Balls-Vomit-Mini-II-Skateboard-Wheels-Yellow-54mm-97a.html
these babies are nice and wide
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/SML_Mike_Arnold_Big_Wave_V-Cut_XL_99a_Wheels/descpage-SLABVWH.html
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 10, 2021, 07:50:31 PM
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Am I correct in my assumption that Bones 99a STF is the wheel formerly known as Bones 99s Easy Streets, or is there somehow a difference aside from the clever name?
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Same in theory, but they make a very white and more natural color version. People say there are feel differences between the two.
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ok thanks, didn't know that, like the wheel dye makes it more slippy or something?
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Not sure if it’s the dye but the easy streets I got when they first came out were white, felt a little softer and slid waaay better than the natural color ones that came out later. Felt kind of similar to the 97a F4’s
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First gen 'white' 99a eazy streets > second gen 99a 'dirty birds (not just plane old brown stfs)

Totally different feeling wheels

For sure, I was surprised at how grippy the 2nd gen ones were
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on August 11, 2021, 06:31:06 AM
Anyone skates the F4 OG 99a classics in smaller version? I just ordered them in 52mm and feel that we will be good friends. Sold my full conicals 97a 56mm as they are too heavy for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on August 11, 2021, 06:38:08 AM
Anyone skates the F4 OG 99a classics in smaller version? I just ordered them in 52mm and feel that we will be good friends. Sold my full conicals 97a 56mm as they are too heavy for me.
I have a pair and I love them. You will definitely notice how much easier it is to flip your board.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on August 11, 2021, 06:57:34 AM
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I have a pair and I love them. You will definitely notice how much easier it is to flip your board.
Thanks! That's what I wanted to hear. Unfortunately the 97a range is so limited, hope they will do some more versions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on August 11, 2021, 07:01:44 AM
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Anyone skates the F4 OG 99a classics in smaller version? I just ordered them in 52mm and feel that we will be good friends. Sold my full conicals 97a 56mm as they are too heavy for me.
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I have a pair and I love them. You will definitely notice how much easier it is to flip your board.
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Thanks! That's what I wanted to hear. Unfortunately the 97a range is so limited, hope they will do some more versions.
Yeah man you're going to like them. I've yet to try the 97 a but I also skate park and smooth concrete for the most part so I really don't need a softer wheel than 99a. Bit maybe I will try a pair soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on August 11, 2021, 10:38:09 AM
Couldn't find it so not sure if it was posted (and I'm lazy):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfO9VS5aRxE
These seem to be an iteration on the G Slides. The cores were the big tip off to me. I'm down to try these but the softer wheel market is super different today then it was even a couple of years ago. So many choices out there right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 11, 2021, 12:08:41 PM
Wheel spacer question. As a bike mechanic I understand why performance of the bearings should be way more reliable with proper spacers. But they seem to make my wheels sound insane. Way more noise as they spin. What's the deal

I’ve never seen a wheel with tolerances proper to have any benefit from the use of spacers. Ricta does this right and uses plastic and aluminum cores, which guarantee a uniform surface, but even when using Bones wheels and Bones bearings with Bones spacers, they end up causing the bearing to jam. I’ve twice now had spacers get ripped up inside of the wheel due to tolerance issues.

Frankly I just don’t think this is worth it. It’s a trick skateboard, not a downhill longboard. Any benefit would be marginal, and since they seem to always make things worse, I don’t think it’s worth the bother.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on August 11, 2021, 12:26:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0yBtxPZl.jpg)

Anyone ever try these? No plastic core and soft but not too soft durometer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on August 18, 2021, 09:08:05 PM
After many years of thinking, skating, and more thinking, I have come to the conclusion that Radial shape wheels are the ultimate shape.

Also SML OG formula is on par with F4 and no one is talking about it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: con_hielo on August 18, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
Sup guys!
Here's my two cents on some 56mm V-Shape NFG/Loophole wheels I've been riding the last couple weeks
(For those last, I've mostly skated streets and hills)

They are very sticky and grippy but feel really good, and roll smooth(super fast) over everything.

The slide is really inconsistent, like I can't tell if I'm going to be propelled forward or fell straight on my back anytime.

I tried back my F4 conical full 58mm 99a and apart the slide thing in which they were more predictable, they felt really sluggish, slow and not fun compare to these. I surprisingly prefer my NFG's

They still feel really grippy even after I wore them down a couple mms, so it makes me wondering if I've got a bad set... Because when they decide to slide they feel the best!


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 18, 2021, 10:09:10 PM
After many years of thinking, skating, and more thinking, I have come to the conclusion that Radial shape wheels are the ultimate shape.

Also SML OG formula is on par with F4 and no one is talking about it.

Radial Slims are love
Radial Slims are life

But they are increasingly rare these days, could be due to DLX tapering off production for the season. Haven't seen 99a Radial Slims in ages.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on August 18, 2021, 10:51:07 PM
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After many years of thinking, skating, and more thinking, I have come to the conclusion that Radial shape wheels are the ultimate shape.

Also SML OG formula is on par with F4 and no one is talking about it.
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Radial Slims are love
Radial Slims are life

But they are increasingly rare these days, could be due to DLX tapering off production for the season. Haven't seen 99a Radial Slims in ages.

I bought radial slims 52mm 101a in may, loved em. But after 3 months they were down to 46mm so I replaced them with tablets. Radial slims felt better, tablets feel somewhat clunky and tablets are uglier too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 19, 2021, 12:15:32 AM
Sup guys!
Here's my two cents on some 56mm V-Shape NFG/Loophole wheels I've been riding the last couple weeks
(For those last, I've mostly skated streets and hills)

They are very sticky and grippy but feel really good, and roll smooth(super fast) over everything.

The slide is really inconsistent, like I can't tell if I'm going to be propelled forward or fell straight on my back anytime.

I tried back my F4 conical full 58mm 99a and apart the slide thing in which they were more predictable, they felt really sluggish, slow and not fun compare to these. I surprisingly prefer my NFG's

They still feel really grippy even after I wore them down a couple mms, so it makes me wondering if I've got a bad set... Because when they decide to slide they feel the best!



I was gonna say break them in a few mm before making your final decision, but it sounds like you already have. After trying out my 56s, a guy at my local bought some and then proceeded to tell me they were “broken”. I had a similar experience with my 52 teardrops but now that they’ve worn down they are pretty damn buttery (my 56s still reign supreme though and I unlocked 540 power slides with them). What I will say is warm them up, they slide a lot better when fully warmed up and don’t give up on them quite yet; compared to F4 yes, they are bound to be a bit more inconsistent. I put in the work on my 52s and I’m glad I did.
Evidently the guy who told me his were broken let me ride his board and after giving them a good warmup, I was to rip into 360 power slides no problem.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on August 19, 2021, 04:39:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/51nszzn/OJ-Wheels.jpg)
Found this while surfing around and thought it would be good to have it posted here
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on August 20, 2021, 06:32:30 AM
Holy fuck going from Powell Rat Bones 90A 60mm to Orbs 99A 56mm was an absolute shock to the system. I can feel every bump in the uneven pavement now...I'm sure anyone else here could've predicted that but I'm just getting back into skating again and didn't realize how huge of a difference this was.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 20, 2021, 08:04:17 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/L0i25gp.jpg)

59mm/85a Bones Rough Riders
58mm/87a OJ Key Frames
54mm/92a sml Succulent Dreams
52mm/99a Spitfire Radial F4
48.5mm/99a Boardy Cake Bench Warmers

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 20, 2021, 11:00:35 PM
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Right between 99/101 sounds ideal. I been on conicals for a while but was considering going for the rounded shape for a change
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i can’t say enough good things about them! If you want classic shape, go for the teardrops
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How do the teardrops slide compared to the v shape? (If you have tried both).
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funny thing, my v-cuts slide considerably better than the teardrops which kinda doesn’t make sense, but because they are hand poured you can get variance from wheel to wheel!
A guy at my local bought 54mm v-cuts after trying my 56s and then come up to me and was like, “they’re broken, they don’t slide like yours!” I rode around on his board for a minute to warm them up and while they screeched at little bit at first, I was sill doing some Leo Valls inspired combos within a few minutes on them.
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Interesting! Yeah, the variance in urethane seems to be a factor. I’ve had two sets of square shapes and three sets of v shapes and noticed that one set of the squares slid exceptionally well whereas none of the v shapes slid well at all, except for the 95a ones. I thought maybe the smaller contact patch and rounded edges of the teardrop shape might make a difference but it sounds like it doesn’t haha

I bought a set from theories along with some other shit, and they were great…except one wheel, i guess it was poured incorrectly had bubbles and the bearing wouldn’t fit all the way back into the wheel. I even used a proper bearing press and everything
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RichardAsh on August 21, 2021, 04:27:17 AM
Skating through gravel, sand, gritty asphalt, dirt, and other rough surfaces require a reliable set of wheels. I always choose wheels  (https://www.concretewavemagazine.com/best-skateboard-wheels-for-rough-roads/)which relatively softer or within the 78a-88a durometer range as they are known to be better at resisting impact. Softer wheels also provide you better grip and can dramatically reduce vibration from the board. They’re extra bouncy for a more energized ride too!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on August 21, 2021, 08:35:05 AM
Skating through gravel, sand, gritty asphalt, dirt, and other rough surfaces require a reliable set of wheels. I always choose wheels  (https://www.concretewavemagazine.com/best-skateboard-wheels-for-rough-roads/)which relatively softer or within the 78a-88a durometer range as they are known to be better at resisting impact. Softer wheels also provide you better grip and can dramatically reduce vibration from the board. They’re extra bouncy for a more energized ride too!

Aren't softer wheels less bouncy than harder wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 21, 2021, 09:12:21 AM
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Skating through gravel, sand, gritty asphalt, dirt, and other rough surfaces require a reliable set of wheels. I always choose wheels  (https://www.concretewavemagazine.com/best-skateboard-wheels-for-rough-roads/)which relatively softer or within the 78a-88a durometer range as they are known to be better at resisting impact. Softer wheels also provide you better grip and can dramatically reduce vibration from the board. They’re extra bouncy for a more energized ride too!
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Aren't softer wheels less bouncy than harder wheels?

Hard wheels have greater rebound but that does not translate to bounce off the ground. Soft wheels compress when they make contact with the ground like a rubber ball. That is the bounce people mention and why soft wheels for flat ground and slide tricks are not ideal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sacha on August 22, 2021, 02:44:16 PM
Looking to try slim wheels… seems most people on slap are skating bones or spitfires, anyone able to recommend other slims? Ricta speed rings for example? Mini logo c-cuts?

Also someone mentioned a page or two back that a bunch of brands are made by the same supplier. Anyone knowledgeable enough to do a mini equivalent of the deck wood shop thread but for wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Joe Davola on August 22, 2021, 06:08:01 PM
Looking to try slim wheels… seems most people on slap are skating bones or spitfires, anyone able to recommend other slims? Ricta speed rings for example? Mini logo c-cuts?

Also someone mentioned a page or two back that a bunch of brands are made by the same supplier. Anyone knowledgeable enough to do a mini equivalent of the deck wood shop thread but for wheels?
Pretty sure Autobahn still makes a very slim wheel. Had a pair a long time ago and loved em. Honestly tho, spitfire classics have a pretty slim riding surface and I just stick with those. Can’t stand the look of a wide wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 22, 2021, 06:46:38 PM
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Looking to try slim wheels… seems most people on slap are skating bones or spitfires, anyone able to recommend other slims? Ricta speed rings for example? Mini logo c-cuts?

Also someone mentioned a page or two back that a bunch of brands are made by the same supplier. Anyone knowledgeable enough to do a mini equivalent of the deck wood shop thread but for wheels?
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Pretty sure Autobahn still makes a very slim wheel. Had a pair a long time ago and loved em. Honestly tho, spitfire classics have a pretty slim riding surface and I just stick with those. Can’t stand the look of a wide wheel.

I also ride slim wheels for purely visual reasons. With that I don’t the the profile of a spitfire slim.

Bones v4s or v2s if want a flat edge. Autobahn are pretty good. Crupie is super slim but probably the worst of the bunch durability wise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 22, 2021, 06:47:33 PM
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Looking to try slim wheels… seems most people on slap are skating bones or spitfires, anyone able to recommend other slims? Ricta speed rings for example? Mini logo c-cuts?

Also someone mentioned a page or two back that a bunch of brands are made by the same supplier. Anyone knowledgeable enough to do a mini equivalent of the deck wood shop thread but for wheels?
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Pretty sure Autobahn still makes a very slim wheel. Had a pair a long time ago and loved em. Honestly tho, spitfire classics have a pretty slim riding surface and I just stick with those. Can’t stand the look of a wide wheel.

Autobahn Street Slims are the right answer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 22, 2021, 07:44:15 PM
Looking to try slim wheels… seems most people on slap are skating bones or spitfires, anyone able to recommend other slims? Ricta speed rings for example? Mini logo c-cuts?

Also someone mentioned a page or two back that a bunch of brands are made by the same supplier. Anyone knowledgeable enough to do a mini equivalent of the deck wood shop thread but for wheels?

Ricta Nyjah super slims (if you can find them); 101a only, it's a skinny conical, my favorite wheel right now. 52mm (only) width: 27.75mm/Contact Patch: 15.25mm
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/46423/94947/RI_NyjahHuston_SuperSlim_52_101_pack__99730.1598973655.gif?c=2)

Ricta Speed Rings Slim, more rounded than the above but nothing crazy. It's like a slim classic, but actually slim/real close to a V1. 99a (only) 52mm width 30.3mm/18.3mm contact patch - 51mm (which I'm riding) Width 29.75mm/contact patch 18mm
(https://internetfusion.imgix.net/1363167.jpg?auto=format,compress&cs=srgb&fit=fill&fill=solid&w=550&h=550)

Asta same dims as the above but a bit more rounded like a radial slim, but actually slim/real close to a V1.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1817/8331/products/001115805_1024x1024.jpg?v=1624232626)

I've both the speed rings and the nyjahs and they're great; slap gonna hate because 'ricta' (and they don't come in potato brown) but they are hard as fuck and have unique slim shapes (what I like but they have wide shapes too) that you can't get with bones or spit or OJ; Autobahn are much too grippy and the only slim shape they have anymore is so close to a V3 you'd be better off with the bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 22, 2021, 08:30:52 PM
Too white. No can do.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 22, 2021, 09:32:55 PM
Looking to try slim wheels… seems most people on slap are skating bones or spitfires, anyone able to recommend other slims? Ricta speed rings for example? Mini logo c-cuts?

Also someone mentioned a page or two back that a bunch of brands are made by the same supplier. Anyone knowledgeable enough to do a mini equivalent of the deck wood shop thread but for wheels?

Satori has a “vinyl cut” shape that I enjoy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on August 22, 2021, 10:00:25 PM
Too white. No can do.

funny how in the 90s you'd be saying the opposite
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 23, 2021, 07:49:35 AM
I really wasn’t picky in the 90s. Rode the biggest wheels I could get my hands on.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fairydinkum on August 23, 2021, 04:40:50 PM
Hey folks,

Just reaching out here incase anyone knew, do OJ Mini Combo 58mm cover over the average skate truck axle? Am prospecting for a wheel that isn't specifically for freestyle but can be used properly for bowl too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on August 23, 2021, 05:44:55 PM
Switched from oj mini combos to bones conicals and my flip tricks got shittier. Starting to think mini combos are my shape.

Dude hahaha I don't know why I love those wheels so much too. I'd feel the exact same way now but I wish they made them softer. I'm too used to 99a SML AG formula for street spots (slide and go super fast at parks too) but yeah mini combos are the best wide shape wheel for sure (conical front for a fat look but rounded truckside so u dont get a sticky tablet-like grind on metal ledges and shit)

Also never scratched my axle nuts cuz theyre so fat hahahah they stuck out past my fucking axles
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on August 23, 2021, 05:45:24 PM
Hey folks,

Just reaching out here incase anyone knew, do OJ Mini Combo 58mm cover over the average skate truck axle? Am prospecting for a wheel that isn't specifically for freestyle but can be used properly for bowl too.

yeah they do for sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fairydinkum on August 23, 2021, 06:13:37 PM
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Switched from oj mini combos to bones conicals and my flip tricks got shittier. Starting to think mini combos are my shape.
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Dude hahaha I don't know why I love those wheels so much too. I'd feel the exact same way now but I wish they made them softer. I'm too used to 99a SML AG formula for street spots (slide and go super fast at parks too) but yeah mini combos are the best wide shape wheel for sure (conical front for a fat look but rounded truckside so u dont get a sticky tablet-like grind on metal ledges and shit)

Also never scratched my axle nuts cuz theyre so fat hahahah they stuck out past my fucking axles

Hahaha this is awesome, thanks man. Hoping I don’t get axle scrape doing primo stalls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Loki700 on August 23, 2021, 08:14:31 PM
Looking forward to trying out these V2’s tomorrow.
(https://i.imgur.com/3nKWJUS.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldCandy on August 23, 2021, 09:49:30 PM
how ricta wireframe sparx?? been wanting to try something cheaper, is it a legit formula or just the same as deck company wheels, how does it hold up to bones and spitfire
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 23, 2021, 10:49:17 PM
how ricta wireframe sparx?? been wanting to try something cheaper, is it a legit formula or just the same as deck company wheels, how does it hold up to bones and spitfire

Sparx are the ricta PP wheel (?), I’ve never ridden any (Daveeeeeed been seen riding them more than anyone) I’d stay away to be safe.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on August 24, 2021, 03:33:41 AM
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how ricta wireframe sparx?? been wanting to try something cheaper, is it a legit formula or just the same as deck company wheels, how does it hold up to bones and spitfire
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Sparx are the ricta PP wheel (?), I’ve never ridden any (Daveeeeeed been seen riding them more than anyone) I’d stay away to be safe.

Thanks I wanted to know too, but how are the 99a premium rictas?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on August 24, 2021, 04:36:52 AM
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how ricta wireframe sparx?? been wanting to try something cheaper, is it a legit formula or just the same as deck company wheels, how does it hold up to bones and spitfire
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Sparx are the ricta PP wheel (?), I’ve never ridden any (Daveeeeeed been seen riding them more than anyone) I’d stay away to be safe.
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Thanks I wanted to know too, but how are the 99a premium rictas?
I'm riding the 52 mm speed rings now and I have no complaints. Nice roll and slide.
Actually slipped out on a hill yesterday, I had to push the slides a bit on rougher asphalt but then the asphalt got smoother and I still pushed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 24, 2021, 10:39:05 AM
I like them; the rings/non cored vs the chrome cores feel different, chrome cores in 99a feel grippier).

Other than that no flat spots and they ride great but feel much harder than the competition, both in 101 and 99.

Plus they’re your only (?) option if you want a truly slim conical or radial.

Also, other than price and pro name, who knows how much difference there is between Sparx and Naturals…you have to assume different blends; they’ve also dropped the NRG formula tag these days too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 24, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
Forgot I took this

51mm speedrings vs 51mm potato...er spit classics (both 99a)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UEsvszVFV5eCE_Q-Abi2Hzl9YvNKIPGVk8BYxYuWW7eeEd_J_aB1MGNBzjUMiHF3kwVkbgseD1HCln7ghs315O-z55AdUdvBWbb7XEgaOzNZZYKEEB92Wczvu5X0Oq7gFRy0XEAroBQ=w2400)

A bit grippier than the spits at first but once broken in they slide just fine (and bark better than the 99 spits too).
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Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 24, 2021, 03:26:02 PM
I like them; the rings/non cored vs the chrome cores feel different, chrome cores in 99a feel grippier).

Other than that no flat spots and they ride great but feel much harder than the competition, both in 101 and 99.

Plus they’re your only (?) option if you want a truly slim conical or radial.

Also, other than price and pro name, who knows how much difference there is between Sparx and Naturals…you have to assume different blends; they’ve also dropped the NRG formula tag these days too.

Sparx are ass. I actually emailed NHS to ask what was the matter and Ron Whaley said they weren’t that great—in so many words.

You know what wheels were great...the Super Crystals. They were fast and would skid turns w/o slipping out. Before F4 They were my favorite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 24, 2021, 03:29:44 PM
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I like them; the rings/non cored vs the chrome cores feel different, chrome cores in 99a feel grippier).

Other than that no flat spots and they ride great but feel much harder than the competition, both in 101 and 99.

Plus they’re your only (?) option if you want a truly slim conical or radial.

Also, other than price and pro name, who knows how much difference there is between Sparx and Naturals…you have to assume different blends; they’ve also dropped the NRG formula tag these days too.
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Sparx are ass. I actually emailed NHS to ask what was the matter and Ron Whaley said they weren’t that great—in so many words.

You know what wheels were great...the Super Crystals. They were fast and would skid turns w/o slipping out. Before F4 They were my favorite.

Dude, super crystals were the shit for a clear formula..puts the clear snot wheels I have to shame (worst feeling slide ever; suck so bad I don't even want to leave them at a spot).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on August 24, 2021, 04:04:35 PM
Does anyone sell wheels that come with properly sized spacers? And if no, why not??
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: superleftswipebby on August 24, 2021, 04:19:49 PM
the bronson spacers run pretty well with reds and spitfires. them shake junt spacers are pretty wack tho
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on August 24, 2021, 05:50:51 PM
the bronson spacers run pretty well with reds and spitfires. them shake junt spacers are pretty wack tho

Thanks, good to know. Got a set of Bronson G2's coming to test out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: spacial_profiling on August 25, 2021, 12:04:15 PM
Just realize I 100% ride classic shaped Spits with PS Stix and connical shaped Spits with BBS. Definitely wasn't a conscience decision, but it's been for 3+ years now. Regardless of F4 or classic formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on August 25, 2021, 12:24:25 PM
I want those black F4 Classic Fulls.

Any leads on places other than Southside that have them in stock?

My order from Southside was canceled (out of stock).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on August 28, 2021, 10:15:55 AM
Anyone else who shred wheels like crazy? I go from 52mm to 45mm in a matter of months... Really annoying.
Yes with Spit F4's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lazer69 on August 28, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
how are autobahn wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 29, 2021, 04:46:07 AM
I recently found these wheels I never used, tried them out and it turns out they're actually amazing. Did not expect 90a wheels to slide that well. I just wish they were smaller, I really want to skate them, but not in 62mm, more like 56mm for a functional cruiser and transition setup. Any way I can make them smaller without having to ride them forever? I do not have any power tools.

(https://cdn.daddiesboardshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/550x550/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/l/a/landyachtz-street-hawgs-longboard-skateboard-wheel-orange-62mm-90a_1.1506688134.jpg)


Where did I get these wheels?
Many years ago I was at a longboard downhill festival (I had a girlfriend with longboarder girl friends). After the main downhill events there was a miniramp contest and longboarders couldn't skate for shit so I absolutely smoked them and won a bunch of stuff like wheels and bearings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 29, 2021, 05:39:23 AM
I recently found these wheels I never used, tried them out and it turns out they're actually amazing. Did not expect 90a wheels to slide that well. I just wish they were smaller, I really want to skate them, but not in 62mm, more like 56mm for a functional cruiser and transition setup. Any way I can make them smaller without having to ride them forever? I do not have any power tools.

(https://cdn.daddiesboardshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/550x550/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/l/a/landyachtz-street-hawgs-longboard-skateboard-wheel-orange-62mm-90a_1.1506688134.jpg)


Where did I get these wheels?
Many years ago I was at a longboard downhill festival (I had a girlfriend with longboarder girl friends). After the main downhill events there was a miniramp contest and longboarders couldn't skate for shit so I absolutely smoked them and won a bunch of stuff like wheels and bearings.


Well they do have a website, after browsing though it looks like they only have a 99a option right now maybe find a longboard forum and see if anyone has some for sale?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 29, 2021, 05:39:45 AM
how are autobahn wheels?

They are great, riding the Dual Durometer Slims in 54mm, great slip and grip especially for a skinny wheel. It's slimmer than Bones V3, not great for rougher roads, but the dual durometer helps just a tad, would prefer them over Bones 103a

Good at the $25-30 price range, I'd rank them higher over Ricta / OJ, the 101a are way too hard.


54mm classics were feeling a little clunky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 29, 2021, 06:02:05 AM
Just ordered some 54 teardrop loopholes after everyone standing by them, hopefully they live up to the hype, I had a pair awhile back when they first hit the scene but the QC was bad, my bearing wouldn’t fit in one wheel and it had bubbles, I tried skating them but the wobble was too much, they slid like champs though and I was bummed that they were a dud set, sold them up some kook at our local he tried to get his 30 bucks back after he set them up, didn’t work out for him, me and my girl ate Waffle House later with wheel money, good times
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 29, 2021, 09:52:54 AM
, sold them up some kook at our local he tried to get his 30 bucks back after he set them up, didn’t work out for him, me and my girl ate Waffle House later with wheel money, good times


Hmm. Hopefully, the dude deserved the bunk equipment but it seems to be knowingly selling bunk equipment is the real kook move.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 29, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
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, sold them up some kook at our local he tried to get his 30 bucks back after he set them up, didn’t work out for him, me and my girl ate Waffle House later with wheel money, good times

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Hmm. Hopefully, the dude deserved the bunk equipment but it seems to be knowingly selling bunk equipment is the real kook move.

Oh I’m sorry I should have elaborated on that, he saw said bubbles in the wheel and I told him about the wobble, like I said they slid great just one of the wheels was fucked, he knew, but yea pretty kookish of me I guess
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggot cunt on August 29, 2021, 10:10:18 AM
anyone tried the dialtone 85a cruiser wheels? need some softies as my super juice minis crapped out on me
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 29, 2021, 08:31:09 PM
anyone tried the dialtone 85a cruiser wheels? need some softies as my super juice minis crapped out on me


Yes, they do work for a cruiser / soft wheel.

I wouldn't say they were amazing, but I wouldn't say they were bad either.


What happened to the juice wheels?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggot cunt on August 30, 2021, 01:04:35 AM
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Yes, they do work for a cruiser / soft wheel.

I wouldn't say they were amazing, but I wouldn't say they were bad either.


What happened to the juice wheels?

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AgileOrnateAsiaticmouflon-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 30, 2021, 03:22:06 AM
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anyone tried the dialtone 85a cruiser wheels? need some softies as my super juice minis crapped out on me
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What happened to the juice wheels?
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Ha yeah that will do it!

You look like you have worn them down a whole lot, or is that just the look of them?

I guess that is the only thing with the sharper edged wheels, as they are more prone to splitting, compared to more round or classic shaped wheels.

Seen a few like that over the years, but I don't think it is so much a fault of the wheel and more just a general wear issue.

If they were not too old, you could send that in to NHS otherwise if they had a solid run, then time to retire them and get a new set.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggot cunt on August 30, 2021, 04:19:14 AM
Ha yeah that will do it!

You look like you have worn them down a whole lot, or is that just the look of them?

I guess that is the only thing with the sharper edged wheels, as they are more prone to splitting, compared to more round or classic shaped wheels.

Seen a few like that over the years, but I don't think it is so much a fault of the wheel and more just a general wear issue.

If they were not too old, you could send that in to NHS otherwise if they had a solid run, then time to retire them and get a new set.

about a year of fairly regular use, not a terrible run. was oddly relieved anyway as the trucks i want to use for a cruiser set-up are my venture 6.1’s and nhs wheels on dlx trucks felt wrong
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on August 31, 2021, 04:14:44 PM
Anyone have experience with bones spf in the streets? Looking for more big wheel options.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on August 31, 2021, 04:49:40 PM
Anyone have experience with bones spf in the streets? Looking for more big wheel options.

I skated multiple sets of SPFs in the mid 2010s and really enjoyed them at the time. I thought they fared rather well in the streets, I was going to college at the time in the Pacific Northwest in a town with tons of crusty concrete and asphalt of varying gradations and I never found myself dissatisfied with my wheels' performance rolling around anywhere in the streets or in the parks. The first set of SPFs I rode lasted the longest out of any set of wheels I had ridden up until I got my second or third set of NFGs within the last 2 or 3 years. One thing of note is that they do feel kind of plasticky as Bones generally do, but I didn't really let that bother me as they clearly did their job as skateboard wheels rather well. If I wasn't already happy with the wheels I'm riding right now (NFG 60mm Vees 95a) I would probably go back to SPFs, however I haven't ridden a set in a while now and I have heard that Bones changed their SPF formula since the last set I rode, so I'm not sure how useful my thoughts on them are going to be lol.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 31, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
@white guy in a durag Please don't do that to yourself. SPFs in the street will have you hating life.

SPFs are seriously amazingly fast cranking around a big smooth concrete bowl but pretty fucking horrible on any terrain with 'texture.'
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 01, 2021, 12:56:40 AM
The duality of man...

Guess I'll just stick to OJs for my big wheel fix (until I can get those nfg 60s I left at my parent's house)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 01, 2021, 06:23:28 AM
Skating some creative-poured wheels for the first time (also my first time not on F4 or NFG in ages), Speedlab 58mm Jason Adams. The shape and dimensions remind me a little of OG classics. They feel really great and smooth on crusty ground and I can tell the slide will be nice once the tread is gone. Overall I am pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on September 01, 2021, 06:45:14 AM
The duality of man...

Guess I'll just stick to OJs for my big wheel fix (until I can get those nfg 60s I left at my parent's house)

I've been in the same situation. Couldn't find bigger spitfire wheels and asked for the spfs. Almost everyone advised against the spfs for crusty asphalts.

I ordered myself some OJ elite 58mm 99a in hardline shape. They should be here by the weekend. I'm curious how they feel compared to stf 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on September 01, 2021, 06:53:48 AM
I really wish spitfire would make an f4 conical in 95a! The 97s are killer but I want a tad more grip when I’m skating disgusting ditches! Probably gonna try the 95a OJ Elite Nomads soon, but after some wheel madness last year I’m convinced that I will never enjoy another formula as much as I have f4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 01, 2021, 06:58:32 AM
Is anyone actually riding Satori? If so how do they compare to F4 99? Kinda weird they only do 101.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 01, 2021, 08:05:56 AM
Is anyone actually riding Satori? If so how do they compare to F4 99? Kinda weird they only do 101.

Skating some creative-poured wheels for the first time (also my first time not on F4 or NFG in ages), Speedlab 58mm Jason Adams. The shape and dimensions remind me a little of OG classics. They feel really great and smooth on crusty ground and I can tell the slide will be nice once the tread is gone. Overall I am pleasantly surprised.


The list of Creative Urethane supplied brands is actually quite long (most of the smaller brand / upper medium range wheels are more often than not from them), of which both those are of the same compound, from what I have heard, so the review could be much the same, even though the Adams Slappy Hour wheels in particular are 99 duro, from looking them up, along with a few sets of Speedlab 101s that have passed through my hands too.

The most interesting part is that although they say they are 101, I find them way more grippy than F4 99s, but that is just me.  I did also think I had seen some in 99 but that might have been old stock or the pricepoint wheels, which I wouldn't really count here.

In short, no they are not Spitfire Formula Four, but yes they are reasonable / decent wheels and not too hard, if that was the thought, in asking about the 101 duro.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: devourthehours on September 01, 2021, 08:15:28 AM
Skating some creative-poured wheels for the first time (also my first time not on F4 or NFG in ages), Speedlab 58mm Jason Adams. The shape and dimensions remind me a little of OG classics. They feel really great and smooth on crusty ground and I can tell the slide will be nice once the tread is gone. Overall I am pleasantly surprised.

Been skating the 56mm Slappy Hour wheels for almost a year. They get better as they wear in and no flatspots yet!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 01, 2021, 09:07:19 AM
Anyone have experience with bones spf in the streets? Looking for more big wheel options.

Yes, don't do it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on September 01, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
Is anyone actually riding Satori? If so how do they compare to F4 99? Kinda weird they only do 101.

I’ve got a pair of the vinyl cut satori 101s, they are grippy, I would say they are comparably to the 99s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 01, 2021, 10:34:21 AM
Did it for Shin !
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/882679015830347776/20210901_174322.jpg)
Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on September 01, 2021, 10:53:30 AM
Did it for Shin !
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/882679015830347776/20210901_174322.jpg)
Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.

Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 01, 2021, 11:00:12 AM
Damn I didn't know other people were so not stoked on the SPFs lol. How recently were y'all skating them? Also were you skating a larger or smaller diameter?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 01, 2021, 11:05:37 AM
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Did it for Shin !
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/882679015830347776/20210901_174322.jpg)
Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
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Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
I had the elites. I should probably caveat my sticky comments by saying that, when I was riding the hard lines, it was really hot out and I was coming from nfgs, which can feel like skating on icecubes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 01, 2021, 11:47:11 AM
Anyone have experience with bones spf in the streets? Looking for more big wheel options.

ive been skating 54mm spfs on uk streets for nearly a year now, had no issues with them at all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on September 01, 2021, 05:42:01 PM
Damn I didn't know other people were so not stoked on the SPFs lol. How recently were y'all skating them? Also were you skating a larger or smaller diameter?

I used to ride them exclusively until F4s came out, I haven’t ridden them recently
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: superleftswipebby on September 01, 2021, 06:17:22 PM
gotta set of 60mm classics coming in. anyone tried em on af1 55s (no risers)?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on September 01, 2021, 06:37:52 PM
Did anyone end up buying/skating Snot Wheels?  I ordered a set of the 53mm conical ones that I was able to find online for a shaped board/curb setup (not too many options from the first drop left out there).  Curious how they felt and how durable they are compared to F4.  These are the 99s. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 01, 2021, 06:53:56 PM
Did anyone end up buying/skating Snot Wheels?  I ordered a set of the 53mm conical ones that I was able to find online for a shaped board/curb setup (not too many options from the first drop left out there).  Curious how they felt and how durable they are compared to F4.  These are the 99s. 

I did, 52mm 101a clear greens. They don't slide for shit and feel slow (but smooth). Took them off during the session, wouldn't even ditch them at the spot because no one should have to try and slide them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on September 01, 2021, 07:33:50 PM
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Did anyone end up buying/skating Snot Wheels?  I ordered a set of the 53mm conical ones that I was able to find online for a shaped board/curb setup (not too many options from the first drop left out there).  Curious how they felt and how durable they are compared to F4.  These are the 99s. 
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I did, 52mm 101a clear greens. They don't slide for shit and feel slow (but smooth). Took them off during the session, wouldn't even ditch them at the spot because no one should have to try and slide them.

Sounds promising lmao.  Perhaps the 99a will somehow be much different.  Let’s hope.
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Post by: thps4 on September 03, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
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Did anyone end up buying/skating Snot Wheels?  I ordered a set of the 53mm conical ones that I was able to find online for a shaped board/curb setup (not too many options from the first drop left out there).  Curious how they felt and how durable they are compared to F4.  These are the 99s. 
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I did, 52mm 101a clear greens. They don't slide for shit and feel slow (but smooth). Took them off during the session, wouldn't even ditch them at the spot because no one should have to try and slide them.



Just retired some 52mm 101a Clear Snots a friend got me as a gift. Had them for about two months, pretty easy to flatspot but would sort themselves out in 15 or so minutes. Now they're getting square and sounding like a little yamaha if the ground's smooth enough. Was a fun summer wheel with the light shining through them. Didn't hold up too well and a bitch to get rolling on remotely rough ground but I was happy to have the transparent wheels of my childhood skatepark dreams.

Now I'm back on the spitfire F4s, picked up the teal 54mm 97D conicals for the bigger board and back to my 99s for the smaller board. It really is crazy how smooth and slidey the F4's are, feels good to go down a block with two pushes again. It's not like the snots couldn't slide, but it took me a sesh or two to get used to how much more the F4s will give.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on September 04, 2021, 07:50:46 AM
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Did it for Shin !
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/882679015830347776/20210901_174322.jpg)
Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
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Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
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I had the elites. I should probably caveat my sticky comments by saying that, when I was riding the hard lines, it was really hot out and I was coming from nfgs, which can feel like skating on icecubes.

Just had a short flatground session with the 99a hardline today. Did a few powerslides and reverts. So far I'm very pleased. They are fast and slide decent. Compared to my 99a stf wheels they feel more forgiving on rough ground and the slide feels more controllable.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 04, 2021, 12:36:13 PM
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Did it for Shin !
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/882679015830347776/20210901_174322.jpg)
Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
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Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
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I had the elites. I should probably caveat my sticky comments by saying that, when I was riding the hard lines, it was really hot out and I was coming from nfgs, which can feel like skating on icecubes.
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Just had a short flatground session with the 99a hardline today. Did a few powerslides and reverts. So far I'm very pleased. They are fast and slide decent. Compared to my 99a stf wheels they feel more forgiving on rough ground and the slide feels more controllable.

I had Insane-a-thane and I’m a masochist so I bought elites. They’re surprisingly good, not as good as F4s but a solid option.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on September 04, 2021, 12:39:25 PM
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Did it for Shin !
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Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
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Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
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I had the elites. I should probably caveat my sticky comments by saying that, when I was riding the hard lines, it was really hot out and I was coming from nfgs, which can feel like skating on icecubes.
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Just had a short flatground session with the 99a hardline today. Did a few powerslides and reverts. So far I'm very pleased. They are fast and slide decent. Compared to my 99a stf wheels they feel more forgiving on rough ground and the slide feels more controllable.
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I had Insane-a-thane and I’m a masochist so I bought elites. They’re surprisingly good, not as good as F4s but a solid option.

so i have a friend who loved the insane-a-thane & is always saying how he wishes it was still around, but when i look it up i can't find out much. can someone regale me with some info and maybe i can help this dude out lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 04, 2021, 01:38:14 PM
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Did it for Shin !

Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
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Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
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I had the elites. I should probably caveat my sticky comments by saying that, when I was riding the hard lines, it was really hot out and I was coming from nfgs, which can feel like skating on icecubes.
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Just had a short flatground session with the 99a hardline today. Did a few powerslides and reverts. So far I'm very pleased. They are fast and slide decent. Compared to my 99a stf wheels they feel more forgiving on rough ground and the slide feels more controllable.
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I had Insane-a-thane and I’m a masochist so I bought elites. They’re surprisingly good, not as good as F4s but a solid option.
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so i have a friend who loved the insane-a-thane & is always saying how he wishes it was still around, but when i look it up i can't find out much. can someone regale me with some info and maybe i can help this dude out lol

I couldn't say for sure, but I still have half a dozen sets of them sitting here in the shop, as they all went on clearance from the distributor, even before the pandemic and overall change of everything to being made in China.

They were a very hard and slippery wheel when compared to the Elite formula (and other brands), one set tended to flatspot easily that was in rotation in the loan pool, but they were only surface spots that would come out soon enough.

From all the people that tried them, most went with other options, only one guy I know was really keen on them.

That in itself is an indication that they were not so well received, but the new ones all look more like Insane-a-thane than Elites now anyway, the plastic white colour, compared to the milky white that they used to be, but they don't feel as hard and slippery in these new ones.

Still skate ok to me, but when I can have just ok wheels, or I can have great wheels (Spitfire F4 99s) I will go with great wheels every time, regardless of the natural urethane (non-white) colour that I know some people don't like.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 04, 2021, 02:59:33 PM
They felt differently.
STF feels plasticky and F4 Spits feel grippy and fast. These felt chalky. Mine felt grippy and slow. They were a bummer and I ended up giving them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on September 04, 2021, 07:11:46 PM
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Did anyone end up buying/skating Snot Wheels?  I ordered a set of the 53mm conical ones that I was able to find online for a shaped board/curb setup (not too many options from the first drop left out there).  Curious how they felt and how durable they are compared to F4.  These are the 99s. 
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I did, 52mm 101a clear greens. They don't slide for shit and feel slow (but smooth). Took them off during the session, wouldn't even ditch them at the spot because no one should have to try and slide them.


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Just retired some 52mm 101a Clear Snots a friend got me as a gift. Had them for about two months, pretty easy to flatspot but would sort themselves out in 15 or so minutes. Now they're getting square and sounding like a little yamaha if the ground's smooth enough. Was a fun summer wheel with the light shining through them. Didn't hold up too well and a bitch to get rolling on remotely rough ground but I was happy to have the transparent wheels of my childhood skatepark dreams.

Now I'm back on the spitfire F4s, picked up the teal 54mm 97D conicals for the bigger board and back to my 99s for the smaller board. It really is crazy how smooth and slidey the F4's are, feels good to go down a block with two pushes again. It's not like the snots couldn't slide, but it took me a sesh or two to get used to how much more the F4s will give.

Can’t go wrong with any of the F4s.  I have Loopholes on my board right now and they’re decent (they’re comparatively so wide for the wheel size it looks sick) but objectively nowhere near as good as Conical Fulls in the 99a or 97a duros.

I’ll give the Snots a shot and see how it goes.  They’re going on a second setup to mess around on so it might not bother me too much.

 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 05, 2021, 07:47:55 AM
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I wish these still existed. Mine got stolen
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 05, 2021, 08:28:59 AM
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I wish these still existed. Mine got stolen

DTFs were the best. I think I read on here a few months ago that they are supposed to be coming back. It would make sense with the number of skaters appreciating wheels that aren’t super hard again. The 97a Spitfires and 95a OJ Nomads seem to be getting a lot of love, I’m sure Bones is aware and would like to cash in on that market.

I just recently got a set of the Speedlab 60mm 95a Strangehouse wheels and they are the closest feeling wheel to DTF that I have found since they stopped making them. The main difference is the Speedlabs will actually slide, but they’re also wider/heavier. The sharp conical cuts make them more manageable vs similarly wide wheels like Slimeballs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 90sDamiano on September 05, 2021, 09:11:27 AM
Anyone try bones 100s? I’ve heard mixed reviews, looking for something a tad bit softer and wider than F4 99s without treads and the bones 100s are the only wheels that seem to fit the bill.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on September 05, 2021, 10:23:27 AM
Used to Ride Pusher wheels steady for about a year or so. I have never really liked spits because the flatspotted way too easily, Bones feel too plastic and slick, but I recently got a job with SML and am really stoked to be working with a rad company that has a great feel and quality wheels. I highly suggest giving them a try ( not just because i work for them ).They are just really great wheels

ya SML urethane is the from the old darkstar wheel factory formula. i tried the ag formula and a decent wheel especially for the price i got them for $18 new. but i wish they would make a 96a formula cuz i love the spit 97a and oj 95a nomads but some parks the 97a slide more on slick concrete but the 95a are perfect but other parks the 95a slide but have to put a little effort into it. they slightly softer wheel allows me to keep my speed more when hitting kickers and hips and give on bumps but are hard enough to slide like regular wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on September 05, 2021, 10:36:36 AM
Anyone try bones 100s? I’ve heard mixed reviews, looking for something a tad bit softer and wider than F4 99s without treads and the bones 100s are the only wheels that seem to fit the bill.

they're price point wheels, not on the same level as f4. they feel softer only cause they have less rebound. they slide pretty well but just aren't that fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 90sDamiano on September 05, 2021, 11:30:15 AM
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Anyone try bones 100s? I’ve heard mixed reviews, looking for something a tad bit softer and wider than F4 99s without treads and the bones 100s are the only wheels that seem to fit the bill.
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they're price point wheels, not on the same level as f4. they feel softer only cause they have less rebound. they slide pretty well but just aren't that fast.

Thanks for your input, any recommendations for a smaller wheel with no tread that is softer than F4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 05, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
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Anyone try bones 100s? I’ve heard mixed reviews, looking for something a tad bit softer and wider than F4 99s without treads and the bones 100s are the only wheels that seem to fit the bill.
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they're price point wheels, not on the same level as f4. they feel softer only cause they have less rebound. they slide pretty well but just aren't that fast.
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Thanks for your input, any recommendations for a smaller wheel with no tread that is softer than F4s?

NFG 95a formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 90sDamiano on September 05, 2021, 05:06:51 PM
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Anyone try bones 100s? I’ve heard mixed reviews, looking for something a tad bit softer and wider than F4 99s without treads and the bones 100s are the only wheels that seem to fit the bill.
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they're price point wheels, not on the same level as f4. they feel softer only cause they have less rebound. they slide pretty well but just aren't that fast.
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Thanks for your input, any recommendations for a smaller wheel with no tread that is softer than F4s?
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NFG 95a formula

Word thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on September 05, 2021, 06:25:39 PM
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Did it for Shin !

Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
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Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
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I had the elites. I should probably caveat my sticky comments by saying that, when I was riding the hard lines, it was really hot out and I was coming from nfgs, which can feel like skating on icecubes.
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Just had a short flatground session with the 99a hardline today. Did a few powerslides and reverts. So far I'm very pleased. They are fast and slide decent. Compared to my 99a stf wheels they feel more forgiving on rough ground and the slide feels more controllable.
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I had Insane-a-thane and I’m a masochist so I bought elites. They’re surprisingly good, not as good as F4s but a solid option.
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so i have a friend who loved the insane-a-thane & is always saying how he wishes it was still around, but when i look it up i can't find out much. can someone regale me with some info and maybe i can help this dude out lol
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I couldn't say for sure, but I still have half a dozen sets of them sitting here in the shop, as they all went on clearance from the distributor, even before the pandemic and overall change of everything to being made in China.

They were a very hard and slippery wheel when compared to the Elite formula (and other brands), one set tended to flatspot easily that was in rotation in the loan pool, but they were only surface spots that would come out soon enough.

From all the people that tried them, most went with other options, only one guy I know was really keen on them.

That in itself is an indication that they were not so well received, but the new ones all look more like Insane-a-thane than Elites now anyway, the plastic white colour, compared to the milky white that they used to be, but they don't feel as hard and slippery in these new ones.

Still skate ok to me, but when I can have just ok wheels, or I can have great wheels (Spitfire F4 99s) I will go with great wheels every time, regardless of the natural urethane (non-white) colour that I know some people don't like.

i told my dude about this and he was still stoked, looks like he's #2 on people stoked on them. am i reading that right that you have a bunch sitting around? if so i might hit you up about this  8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 05, 2021, 07:40:08 PM

I told my dude about this and he was still stoked, looks like he's #2 on people stoked on them. am i reading that right that you have a bunch sitting around? if so i might hit you up about this  8)

Easy, if you are in Australia.

Not so easy if you are anywhere else, as shipping is expensive by air or takes months by surface.

I would say there are other "hard and slick feeling wheels" out there in the more local market in any country though, but it might take a minute to find them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on September 06, 2021, 03:32:01 AM
Anyone else find that Spitfires F4 really scuff up and mark easily? Like indents and ect. 101a

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 06, 2021, 05:21:27 PM
Anyone else find that Spitfires F4 really scuff up and mark easily? Like indents and ect. 101a

They score on sandpapery ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 06, 2021, 09:23:15 PM
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Did it for Shin !

Had some hardline 99 ojs in before and didn't really like the feel; they felt kinda sticky. These though...good slide and fast as fuck on on smooth ground. I'll have to learn backside flips so I can cry about flat spots.
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Did you ride the 99a elite Formula or some older Formula in hardline shape?
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I had the elites. I should probably caveat my sticky comments by saying that, when I was riding the hard lines, it was really hot out and I was coming from nfgs, which can feel like skating on icecubes.
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Just had a short flatground session with the 99a hardline today. Did a few powerslides and reverts. So far I'm very pleased. They are fast and slide decent. Compared to my 99a stf wheels they feel more forgiving on rough ground and the slide feels more controllable.
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I had Insane-a-thane and I’m a masochist so I bought elites. They’re surprisingly good, not as good as F4s but a solid option.
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so i have a friend who loved the insane-a-thane & is always saying how he wishes it was still around, but when i look it up i can't find out much. can someone regale me with some info and maybe i can help this dude out lol
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I couldn't say for sure, but I still have half a dozen sets of them sitting here in the shop, as they all went on clearance from the distributor, even before the pandemic and overall change of everything to being made in China.

They were a very hard and slippery wheel when compared to the Elite formula (and other brands), one set tended to flatspot easily that was in rotation in the loan pool, but they were only surface spots that would come out soon enough.

From all the people that tried them, most went with other options, only one guy I know was really keen on them.

That in itself is an indication that they were not so well received, but the new ones all look more like Insane-a-thane than Elites now anyway, the plastic white colour, compared to the milky white that they used to be, but they don't feel as hard and slippery in these new ones.

Still skate ok to me, but when I can have just ok wheels, or I can have great wheels (Spitfire F4 99s) I will go with great wheels every time, regardless of the natural urethane (non-white) colour that I know some people don't like.
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i told my dude about this and he was still stoked, looks like he's #2 on people stoked on them. am i reading that right that you have a bunch sitting around? if so i might hit you up about this  8)

#3 here - I was a huge fan of insane 101 hardlines, they were wickedly fast in bowls yet still gripped (not glassy like SPF) and unlike SPF they still worked, for me, great on street.

Personally, I didn't find the chalky (that's reserved for Ricta Chrome Cores); they really reminded me of the 1st gen of LandSharks (damn I miss those wheels).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on September 07, 2021, 12:26:23 AM
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They score on sandpapery ground.

Hmm, most my skating is at the skatepark haha. Love the shapes, I feel the hardness goes away after 3-4 weeks and these marks and indents get noticeable. idk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: al_cvbrera on September 07, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
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They score on sandpapery ground.
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Hmm, most my skating is at the skatepark haha. Love the shapes, I feel the hardness goes away after 3-4 weeks and these marks and indents get noticeable. idk
get over it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on September 07, 2021, 08:53:38 AM
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Anyone else find that Spitfires F4 really scuff up and mark easily? Like indents and ect. 101a
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They score on sandpapery ground.
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Hmm, most my skating is at the skatepark haha. Love the shapes, I feel the hardness goes away after 3-4 weeks and these marks and indents get noticeable. idk
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get over it.

You have never contributed anything of value to a conversation. There's no reason to be so rude and dismissive of others.

I had pre-pandemic Spits 101a f4's laying around and tried them after riding a recently produced set. The new ones feel chalkier, reminiscent of 101a Dual Durometer Autobahns before they changed their formula circa ~2014.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: velvethammer on September 07, 2021, 09:29:52 AM
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Anyone else find that Spitfires F4 really scuff up and mark easily? Like indents and ect. 101a
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They score on sandpapery ground.
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Hmm, most my skating is at the skatepark haha. Love the shapes, I feel the hardness goes away after 3-4 weeks and these marks and indents get noticeable. idk
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get over it.
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You have never contributed anything of value to a conversation. There's no reason to be so rude and dismissive of others.
Kick his ass Sea bass!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: al_cvbrera on September 07, 2021, 11:31:18 AM
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They score on sandpapery ground.
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Hmm, most my skating is at the skatepark haha. Love the shapes, I feel the hardness goes away after 3-4 weeks and these marks and indents get noticeable. idk
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get over it.
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You have never contributed anything of value to a conversation. There's no reason to be so rude and dismissive of others.

I had pre-pandemic Spits 101a f4's laying around and tried them after riding a recently produced set. The new ones feel chalkier, reminiscent of 101a Dual Durometer Autobahns before they changed their formula circa ~2014.
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 07, 2021, 06:40:21 PM
Anyone else find that Spitfires F4 really scuff up and mark easily? Like indents and ect. 101a

I have said it before and others have agreed at times, but I have always found the Spitfire F4 99s to be really stable and decent for everything, compared to the 101s which have always been a bit weird, some harder, some softer, some just don't really slide well at all and similar things.

Not sure what the deal is there, but 99s just seem to have always been a better wheel.


So many other brands that have 101s don't seem like 101s and more like 99 or even 97 or 98 with the tackiness feeling more than anything, as they just don't seem to slide well on much, when compared to other wheels.  Some seem so icy and more slippery on everything which is fine if that is what you want, but many people are not that keen on having that much slip and slide either.

I cannot even think how many sets of new and especially used wheels have come and gone, all of which I will try, given the chance, which is why Spitfire F4 99s always come up as the winner, even though I do have lots of other wheels, both hard and soft, that I like for certain ramps, or different terrain.


Visually some wheels will develop more cuts and marks, especially if you are skating something that will cause issues, eg sharp edges on a ledge or rougher bits of bitumen, along with gaps or edges of concrete, wood or other surfaces that the wheels catch on, in particular while sliding or hitting on an angle, rather than just rolling over.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Velcro Wallet on September 08, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
Not sure if it’s been covered or not…

I just set up some SML. coffee cruzers (83 I think) with new Bones Reds. I like to tighten the nut so there’s a little wiggle room for the wheel, you know, normal shit. I have washers on both sides with no spacers in the middle of the bearings.
I’ve noticed that as soon as I skate the board for a second the wiggle room has completely gone away. Wheel still spins fine but no movement side to side from the wheel. Are the bearings moving because of heat or something?? It’s tripping me the fuck out. I thought that it might be the bearings have time to set into the wheel but it’s been doing this for ages. My other 2 set ups don’t do this, one with big balls with spacers in the middle and one with modus with no spacers. This morning I loosened the fuxk out of the nuts so there was a ton of room to move the wheels side to side and straight away, no movement! My madness is kick the fuxk in! Lol help. It’s probably something very simple and I’m a straight up nob end
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 08, 2021, 07:57:28 PM
Not sure if it’s been covered or not…

I just set up some SML. coffee cruzers (83 I think) with new Bones Reds. I like to tighten the nut so there’s a little wiggle room for the wheel, you know, normal shit. I have washers on both sides with no spacers in the middle of the bearings.
I’ve noticed that as soon as I skate the board for a second the wiggle room has completely gone away. Wheel still spins fine but no movement side to side from the wheel. Are the bearings moving because of heat or something?? It’s tripping me the fuck out. I thought that it might be the bearings have time to set into the wheel but it’s been doing this for ages. My other 2 set ups don’t do this, one with big balls with spacers in the middle and one with modus with no spacers. This morning I loosened the fuxk out of the nuts so there was a ton of room to move the wheels side to side and straight away, no movement! My madness is kick the fuxk in! Lol help. It’s probably something very simple and I’m a straight up nob end



Bearings do move a lot more in some wheels compared to others.

I used to have a set of slightly softer wheels of a known "good quality" brand (no not Bones or Spitfires) that I would always have to constantly push and pull after each run as the bearings would come out of the bearing seat when I would do things that make the wheels have a sideways pressure, like smith grinds or even just a 180 on flat sliding the board around.

Some brands seem to have this more than others, or softer wheels without the harder core (and even some with) if the core does not hold the bearing in tightly.

End of the day, I got used to it, but it did drive me nuts so was happy to get off those wheels and on to something else that didn't have that issue.

If the bearings push in and pull out of the wheels too easily, you are going to have this issue for the life of the wheels, or even more so as they get older, but some combinations of bearing and wheel will also do this more or less than others, even though the bearings and wheels are supposed to have the exact same dimensions.


If you put the board on its axles, stand with both feet sort of on or around the wheel that is on the ground and pull up and push down on the upper end wheel of the same axle, feel if they pop back in a bit, often hearing a pop or click sound, and you will know they are moving or not.  Do this to both axles, then turn the board over and repeat.  This is what I used to have to do.

There is not really any solution, besides putting in spacers and running things a bit tighter, so there is no bearing movement, but often that will result in the board sounding dead or hollow, which can be off putting too.  If they don't tighten right down without the bearings stopping spinning, put a washer in with the spacer (on the inside) which gives a touch more clearance and frees up the bearings, but will still have a dead sound, unless the bearings are raw or dry.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 08, 2021, 09:18:23 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s the wheel heating up that causes this. This has been happening to me with every wheel/bearing/truck combination I’ve tried for the last few years. Common denominator is that I started skating big transition right around the time it started happening. More speed = wheels heating up and expanding = bearings backing out of wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 09, 2021, 04:27:32 AM
I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s the wheel heating up that causes this. This has been happening to me with every wheel/bearing/truck combination I’ve tried for the last few years. Common denominator is that I started skating big transition right around the time it started happening. More speed = wheels heating up and expanding = bearings backing out of wheels.


Yeah, sounds about right.

I know when we do constant laps around a square bowl the wheels do get quite warm, but I haven't had anything like that with setups, so I am curious which wheel brands in particular.

The guys who skated vert at the indoor park I was at often talked about "hot wheels" but again no mention of movement in Bones, Spitfire, OJs or other brands of wheels they had.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 09, 2021, 07:01:18 AM
When this first started happening I got new wheels, then bearings, then trucks trying to fix it. It’s happened with Bones SPF, Speedlab, and Spitfire F4 99. Bearings are always Swiss 6, trucks are always Ace.

I will say it happens a lot less with Spitfire F4 compared to Bones and Speedlab. I’ve also noticed this doesn’t happen with cored wheels. I rode some Rainskates 98a wheels for a few weeks and it never happened. It never happens on my cruiser with 78a Slimeballs either and I haul ass on that thing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 09, 2021, 07:09:16 AM
Anyone else find that Spitfires F4 really scuff up and mark easily? Like indents and ect. 101a

Yes, from slide tricks. But it never seemed to mess with performance. I did have a big old gouge come out of one 101 and Spitfire sent me a fresh set. I don't skate the 101s anymore though. 99s are the best all rounders.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 09, 2021, 03:04:54 PM
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Yes, from slide tricks. But it never seemed to mess with performance. I did have a big old gouge come out of one 101 and Spitfire sent me a fresh set. I don't skate the 101s anymore though. 99s are the best all rounders.

All wheels do this? I mean, come on, you are riding plastic on pavement. I've experienced chunks taken out (screws on boxes) and slices (glass); nature of the beast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mesteezo on September 09, 2021, 03:12:17 PM
Just got a hold of some NFG 95A’s in tear drop shape…they feel really weird. While skating, they feel harder than 99A F4s, and are slower at the same time.

I was really hyped for these since I heard the creator is the guy that created the F4 formula, but honesty these feel more like a Bones wheel than Spitfires.

I can only cruise around right now since I have a fractured toe, but so far I’m not digging them that much. Maybe they’ll break in nice, we’ll see.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on September 09, 2021, 05:38:47 PM
Just got a hold of some NFG 95A’s in tear drop shape…they feel really weird. While skating, they feel harder than 99A F4s, and are slower at the same time.

I was really hyped for these since I heard the creator is the guy that created the F4 formula, but honesty these feel more like a Bones wheel than Spitfires.

I can only cruise around right now since I have a fractured toe, but so far I’m not digging them that much. Maybe they’ll break in nice, we’ll see.

can't speak to the teardrops as i only have/have ridden vcuts, but the set i got from their latest run did seem a bit different than the first run appearance-wise. lighter color (i swear) and felt slicker/greasier? i was going to leave them for backups, but the difference had me curious so i threw them on for a bodega run (pnw pavement) & they felt pretty good, but i don't want to say they feel exactly the same as the first run set i have on my main setup until they are broken in a little more.
long story short - maybe it's a shape thing???? someone might have better insight on this than me though &#129300;
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on September 09, 2021, 05:49:23 PM
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Anyone else find that Spitfires F4 really scuff up and mark easily? Like indents and ect. 101a
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I have said it before and others have agreed at times, but I have always found the Spitfire F4 99s to be really stable and decent for everything, compared to the 101s which have always been a bit weird, some harder, some softer, some just don't really slide well at all and similar things.

Not sure what the deal is there, but 99s just seem to have always been a better wheel.


So many other brands that have 101s don't seem like 101s and more like 99 or even 97 or 98 with the tackiness feeling more than anything, as they just don't seem to slide well on much, when compared to other wheels.  Some seem so icy and more slippery on everything which is fine if that is what you want, but many people are not that keen on having that much slip and slide either.

I cannot even think how many sets of new and especially used wheels have come and gone, all of which I will try, given the chance, which is why Spitfire F4 99s always come up as the winner, even though I do have lots of other wheels, both hard and soft, that I like for certain ramps, or different terrain.


Visually some wheels will develop more cuts and marks, especially if you are skating something that will cause issues, eg sharp edges on a ledge or rougher bits of bitumen, along with gaps or edges of concrete, wood or other surfaces that the wheels catch on, in particular while sliding or hitting on an angle, rather than just rolling over.

Thanks for your input!

I found my 99as nice. The wore done fairly quick but was a nice wheel. I am finding with the 101a they started really slippery and after broken in they become more grippery. Like quite a bit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on September 12, 2021, 10:18:51 PM
does anyone have experience skating 55-56mm on thunder 149? (ride medium - loose, nah pretty loose actually)

what risers do I use? im skating 54s rn on 1/8 and its great

had 53s w no risers and fucking hated it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: juniormint on September 12, 2021, 10:45:54 PM
I’ve got 56mm with 1/8 risers on my forged 151s at the moment. It’s so good, really improves the truck imo. Using the real wooden risers, can’t really tell the difference between normal plastic ones tbh. Have rocked the same with cast plate 149s with no problem. Want to snag some 58mm classic spits next.

Edit - I ride them loose.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 13, 2021, 10:40:12 AM
The NFG 95a's are indeed a lighter color as well as greasier this time around, the grease wears off after a little bit of use
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 13, 2021, 12:14:41 PM
The NFG 95a's are indeed a lighter color as well as greasier this time around, the grease wears off after a little bit of use

Do you mean greasier in that they slide better than the previous batch of 95a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 13, 2021, 12:17:49 PM
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The NFG 95a's are indeed a lighter color as well as greasier this time around, the grease wears off after a little bit of use
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Do you mean greasier in that they slide better than the previous batch of 95a?

That's not what I mean, they do slide well in my opinion but the grease I am referring to is from manufacturing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 13, 2021, 12:32:15 PM
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The NFG 95a's are indeed a lighter color as well as greasier this time around, the grease wears off after a little bit of use
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Do you mean greasier in that they slide better than the previous batch of 95a?
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That's not what I mean, they do slide well in my opinion but the grease I am referring to is from manufacturing.

Ah, I gotcha, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on September 13, 2021, 01:27:16 PM
does anyone have experience skating 55-56mm on thunder 149? (ride medium - loose, nah pretty loose actually)

what risers do I use? im skating 54s rn on 1/8 and its great

had 53s w no risers and fucking hated it
i rocked the same general specs for a while, tried a few different riser options, even spent some time with 1/4" risers as well. The taller rise made things hella twitchy, which was sort of fun for a while, but eventually I just got Indies and found my whole setup instantly became much less finnicky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on September 13, 2021, 11:50:04 PM
During covid and closure of parks in the UK i upped to some 56 ricta clouds with my thunder trucks to skate a local crusty car parks. Got loads of wheel bite so made some front wheels wells. Didn’t work and looked a bit stupid, so dont do that.

On a separate note local shop has deals on white OJ elite hardline 99a, did some research (never had OJs) and old Degros disses them. Only positive reviews are on NHS and paid slots. Anyone on here tried them at all?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 14, 2021, 03:50:29 AM

On a separate note local shop has deals on white OJ elite hardline 99a, did some research (never had OJs) and old Degros disses them. Only positive reviews are on NHS and paid slots. Anyone on here tried them at all?

Definitely a mixed bag, some people really like them, others not so much.

They are a decent wheel, but they do flatspot more easily than some other brands, as has been noted by some people (and first hand experience) but they make good options, lots of sizes, shapes and different duros, eg 101, 99, 97, 95


As per many wheels, they might be ok, but they are not Bones or Spitfire Formula Four, by which all others are measured nowdays.


EDIT:

From just over two years ago.

Funny how out of just over a dozen comments, two say they flatspotted, one says they are great, others say they are good and do not slip out...

I never take shop reviews too seriously though.

Some decent skating for the minute long clip anyway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwogmIx7ssg

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8n hugon on September 14, 2021, 11:05:06 PM
I really like the OJ Elite Hardline 99a 53mm wheels I have. I use them for curb skating on roughish asphalt. Was riding Spitfire Tablets 99a 52mm before, and the OJs feel like they give a smoother ride. Definitely more grippy and harder to slide though. For me, the loss of slidability is worth the increased comfort.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 14, 2021, 11:23:51 PM
While I haven’t experienced the 99a, I had a great experience with the 101a in a hardline shape. They held up well and I recently threw my old set on after some tablets and they provided a slide that was more comfortable. They’re not the best but a solid alternative to F4 and STF. While helping atone for the monstrosity that were Insane-a-thane wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on September 15, 2021, 01:09:03 AM
That's good to hear on the OJs. They have a really solid team, so didn't think they could be awful. I had F4s before and they are great, but something in me always likes a deal, and supporting the underdog or taking the road less travelled. Mind you NHS are a bit of a corp behemoth, so not really an underdog.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 15, 2021, 05:40:25 AM
That's good to hear on the OJs. They have a really solid team, so didn't think they could be awful. I had F4s before and they are great, but something in me always likes a deal, and supporting the underdog or taking the road less travelled. Mind you NHS are a bit of a corp behemoth, so not really an underdog.
go loophole or sml then!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on September 15, 2021, 05:52:36 AM
That's good to hear on the OJs. They have a really solid team, so didn't think they could be awful. I had F4s before and they are great, but something in me always likes a deal, and supporting the underdog or taking the road less travelled. Mind you NHS are a bit of a corp behemoth, so not really an underdog.

Recently I've bought some of those 58mm 99a elite in hardline shape. They are way faster and way less teeth rattling compared to my 53mm bones stf 99a.(only ridden on very rough asphalt)They offer more grip and control while powersliding. So far, no flatspots. I know, comparing 58 to 53 wheels is very inaccurate.
If they hold up well I would definitely buy again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on September 15, 2021, 06:59:25 AM
I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 15, 2021, 07:59:44 AM
Can anyone comment on how the speed of the OJ elite 99s compares to Spitfire F4 99s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 15, 2021, 10:55:41 AM
I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?

NFG 95a 60mm Vee shape

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/grim-95a-ptf-crust-60mm-vee
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on September 15, 2021, 12:23:05 PM
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I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?
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NFG 95a 60mm Vee shape

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/grim-95a-ptf-crust-60mm-vee

Hell yeah that's exactly what I was after.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 15, 2021, 12:36:19 PM
Can anyone comment on how the speed of the OJ elite 99s compares to Spitfire F4 99s?

Spitfires do feel a bit faster. But the OJs aren’t sluggish feeling.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 15, 2021, 06:14:23 PM
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I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?
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NFG 95a 60mm Vee shape

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/grim-95a-ptf-crust-60mm-vee
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Hell yeah that's exactly what I was after.  Thanks!

I was going to say Slimeballs, but I think those NFG wheels would be much better.

Get them while you can!


* They don't come to AU, otherwise I would have a set or three by now.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OldGrayandMongo on September 15, 2021, 07:20:47 PM
I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?

Maybe try the yellow/98A Rainskates?  They ride how I remember the OG Slimeballs riding from when I was a kid (and show similar wear as well)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: art hellman on September 17, 2021, 08:29:30 AM
skated some Loophole 56mm V shape for a couple hours yesterday.  skated/slid/gripped midwest crust pretty darn comparable to F4 conical fulls in 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 17, 2021, 10:05:45 AM
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I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?
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Maybe try the yellow/98A Rainskates?  They ride how I remember the OG Slimeballs riding from when I was a kid (and show similar wear as well)

97mm 95a OJ Nomads?

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/57mm-elite-nomads-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels?gclid=CjwKCAjw-ZCKBhBkEiwAM4qfF0BJiRP9-9qmfw_MYYJXderb9UfoFCVZv67Wpl9KGyUP_OZ_1iocrBoCxd4QAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on September 17, 2021, 10:07:22 AM
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I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?
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Maybe try the yellow/98A Rainskates?  They ride how I remember the OG Slimeballs riding from when I was a kid (and show similar wear as well)
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97mm 95a OJ Nomads?

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/57mm-elite-nomads-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels?gclid=CjwKCAjw-ZCKBhBkEiwAM4qfF0BJiRP9-9qmfw_MYYJXderb9UfoFCVZv67Wpl9KGyUP_OZ_1iocrBoCxd4QAvD_BwE

I thought about those, but I wanna try something stupid wide for a bit.  Elites or Keyframes seem to be the go-to though so I'll probably end up with some fairly soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 17, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/collections/wheels/products/strangehouse-60mm-95a-3

I recently picked up a set of the Speedlab 60mm 95a Strangehouse wheels and really like them. I got them specifically for one park around here that’s covered in spray paint and is really slick. They are wide, fast, and grippy. Besides the wide shape, they feel a lot like the Bones DTF wheels. They’re a lot faster than the 97a/95a OJ wheels I’ve had
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 20, 2021, 10:44:04 AM
Does anyone have thoughts on OJ’s Original Formula? Decent or no?

I’ve got my eye on those 58mm Shin Sanbongi Mini Combos but the only OJ’s I’ve used are Super Juice/ Keyframes.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 20, 2021, 06:01:58 PM
Does anyone have thoughts on OJ’s Original Formula? Decent or no?

I’ve got my eye on those 58mm Shin Sanbongi Mini Combos but the only OJ’s I’ve used are Super Juice/ Keyframes.

It is called Elite formula and I had to check but it was someone else who asked and replied on the last page:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3638406#msg3638406


I have had them, but as per the last page info:

They are a decent wheel, but they do flatspot more easily than some other brands, as has been noted by some people (and first hand experience) but they make good options, lots of sizes, shapes and different duros, eg 101, 99, 97, 95


As per many wheels, they might be ok, but they are not Bones or Spitfire Formula Four, by which all others are measured nowdays.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 20, 2021, 06:14:59 PM
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Does anyone have thoughts on OJ’s Original Formula? Decent or no?

I’ve got my eye on those 58mm Shin Sanbongi Mini Combos but the only OJ’s I’ve used are Super Juice/ Keyframes.
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It is called Elite formula and I had to check but it was someone else who asked and replied on the last page:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3638406#msg3638406


I have had them, but as per the last page info:

They are a decent wheel, but they do flatspot more easily than some other brands, as has been noted by some people (and first hand experience) but they make good options, lots of sizes, shapes and different duros, eg 101, 99, 97, 95


As per many wheels, they might be ok, but they are not Bones or Spitfire Formula Four, by which all others are measured nowdays.

Thank you for the reply.

The way their website describes the Elite Urethane and the Original urethane (below the Elite) had me thinking that they were two different formulas.

 https://ojwheels.com/urethane
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 20, 2021, 07:07:14 PM
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Does anyone have thoughts on OJ’s Original Formula? Decent or no?

I’ve got my eye on those 58mm Shin Sanbongi Mini Combos but the only OJ’s I’ve used are Super Juice/ Keyframes.
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It is called Elite formula and I had to check but it was someone else who asked and replied on the last page:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3638406#msg3638406


I have had them, but as per the last page info:

They are a decent wheel, but they do flatspot more easily than some other brands, as has been noted by some people (and first hand experience) but they make good options, lots of sizes, shapes and different duros, eg 101, 99, 97, 95


As per many wheels, they might be ok, but they are not Bones or Spitfire Formula Four, by which all others are measured nowdays.
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Thank you for the reply.

The way their website describes the Elite Urethane and the Original urethane (below the Elite) had me thinking that they were two different formulas.

 https://ojwheels.com/urethane

I see what you are saying.

The older wheels seemed to be a much more milky colour, when still made in the USA, but all the newer ones are that hard plasticy looking pure white colour, even in the ones that were milky white in their previous versions, so it is a bit funny which one is which nowdays.

Those ones listed as original I have as well and they are again decent wheels, so I would say about the same response in regard to those and the Elite formula.

Note:  I feel like the 99 duro wheels are much more grippy than other 99 duro wheels I have had, which is a good thing for the most part.


Give them a try and see how they are for you.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 20, 2021, 07:35:14 PM
I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 20, 2021, 08:12:18 PM
I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?

I ride 58 and 60mm on 44’s and 55’s no problem with 1/4 risers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 20, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?

You’ll be fine with the 1/8” riser
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 21, 2021, 09:34:07 AM
I rock 58s on aces with no risers and its fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on September 21, 2021, 10:13:44 AM
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I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?
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NFG 95a 60mm Vee shape

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/grim-95a-ptf-crust-60mm-vee

Yeah these wheels are dope.  Thanks again for the tip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GrapeApeAffe on September 22, 2021, 12:28:21 PM
Hi all.

I picked up some older Speedlab Bombshells off of Amazon.   They were sold out locally and online and I had a gift card so took a chance on these.  Plus this was a limited colorway a few years ago you can’t get anymore.

But the edges where the bearings seat have what looks like manufacturing defects like chips.  I’m not talking about the bubbles on the inner ring.   I mean the chips along the edge between the graphic and bearing seat.

(https://i.ibb.co/X2cmPcp/7507149-F-B7-F3-4205-8324-F7863-C110186.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X2cmPcp) (https://i.ibb.co/k5gzdBC/7-D417006-9-A61-40-F9-98-F9-87048-E4-F8-E61.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5gzdBC)
(https://i.ibb.co/kxyMJNK/175-C605-C-181-E-4662-9-B05-4-D73-D201626-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kxyMJNK)(https://i.ibb.co/R4r9DB3/8-BE50669-A3-A3-4774-852-C-667-D592486-CF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R4r9DB3)


Think these are ok to ride?   

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on September 22, 2021, 12:59:32 PM
Do these wheels still feel soft or more porous? Since you mentioned, they are a few years old.

I personally wouldn't worry too much about that and just enjoy the ride as long as possible or til the wheels give up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GrapeApeAffe on September 22, 2021, 01:09:26 PM
Do these wheels still feel soft or more porous? Since you mentioned, they are a few years old.

I personally wouldn't worry too much about that and just enjoy the ride as long as possible or til the wheels give up.

No they feel normal.   I’ve just never seen this before.

Full disclosure... I did email Speedlab and they said they should be fine.  But I’ve been lurking here for awhile and wanted you’re opinion.

BTW I do still have time to return these via amazon, but I really like the color and wanted to ride them, so figured I’d ask here first.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 22, 2021, 06:54:29 PM
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Do these wheels still feel soft or more porous? Since you mentioned, they are a few years old.

I personally wouldn't worry too much about that and just enjoy the ride as long as possible or til the wheels give up.
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No they feel normal.   I’ve just never seen this before.

Full disclosure... I did email Speedlab and they said they should be fine.  But I’ve been lurking here for awhile and wanted you’re opinion.

BTW I do still have time to return these via amazon, but I really like the color and wanted to ride them, so figured I’d ask here first.


Had a few like that over the years and it shouldn't affect performance at all, when it is not on the riding surface.

If anything is through the outer area or the riding surface you are going to feel it more on smooth concrete or wooden / metal ramps, but on rough concrete or bitumen surface, even outer surface blemishes and bubbles don't affect the ride at all.

In the same way, some solidly flatspotted wheels I have still work really well on rough surfaces, but drive me crazy on smooth concrete parks or ramps.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 23, 2021, 07:55:03 AM
I think I read somewhere on here that wheels actually slightly harden over time not soften... ?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 23, 2021, 09:19:43 AM
I decided I wanted to switch it up a little from what I've been riding recently, so I got some Mini Cubics. I've been riding 60mm 95a wheels for a little over a year now, so I don't think the extra 4mm on top will affect me as much as the drastic increase in wideness will lol. I'll be going from a 33.5mm wide wheel to one that is 57mm wide, so I'll be increasing the width of my board by about 1.85 inches. While writing this comment I realized that I do not have either a board or a set of trucks to accommodate the additional width, so it looks like I walked myself into setting up a new complete again. I'm thinking I'll either use a 7.625" set of trucks with a ~9.5" board or get some Indy 109's with an 8.75" or maybe I'll find someone with a penny board they aren't using, harvest the hangars from their trucks and set them up with a different baseplate and some nicer bushings. The last time I used someone's penny board trucks it was a penny knockoff by Kryptonics, and they ended up turning pretty well. They were like 6" so I think that'll give me more wiggle room in terms of board sizing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shpongle on September 23, 2021, 10:26:11 AM
I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?

i ride the 60mm f4 spitfires without a riser on 44 classics and it works but i only really skate transition. if you skate lots of flat / street i'd run a riser
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 23, 2021, 12:51:38 PM
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I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?
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i ride the 60mm f4 spitfires without a riser on 44 classics and it works but i only really skate transition. if you skate lots of flat / street i'd run a riser

I think you'll be fine with 1/8". I am a pretty big guy and when I was running that combo (58mm speedlabs, Ace 44s, 1/8" risers) I never got serious wheelbite. I did eventually move up to 1/4" for that one, but it was moreso for pop feel.

Unrelated to that, I just want to skate my 87a keyframes all the time lately. I figured out how to revert and do power slides on them and am now addicted to how smooth they feel. Half of me is like "You need to stop this now" and the other half says, "relax, you're old, be comfortable".

I ended up buying another set and can't decide if I should set them up or go exchange them for some conical fulls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 23, 2021, 01:19:57 PM
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I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?
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i ride the 60mm f4 spitfires without a riser on 44 classics and it works but i only really skate transition. if you skate lots of flat / street i'd run a riser
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I think you'll be fine with 1/8". I am a pretty big guy and when I was running that combo (58mm speedlabs, Ace 44s, 1/8" risers) I never got serious wheelbite. I did eventually move up to 1/4" for that one, but it was moreso for pop feel.


I'm skating loose Ace 44s with some 60mms right now, I'm using 1/8" risers and skating a good mix of street/transition and the wheelbite is there but definitely manageable. I could probably get away with not using a riser but the weight difference is negligible in my opinion so I'm not bothering to change it for more bite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on September 23, 2021, 01:31:28 PM
Anyone have recommendations for fast cruiser wheels? The best I’ve ridden were the older Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 78a. They’re a bit slimmer and lighter than the 60mm Super Juices. I don’t know if it’s due to that or just a better formula but they just accelerate quicker and roll longer.

I don’t care a ton about how well they slide or pop, I just want a soft wheel that’s fast and smooth and somewhere around 60mm. I haven’t tried the newer 80a Mini Logo AWOLs which are cheap but before I go for them, I figure maybe someone knows about Powell soft formulas and maybe there’s like a Powell “equivalent” that improves on the mini logo stuff? Or maybe some long board brand wheels or something? I don’t know, I’ve been obsessing over hard wheels for a while and meanwhile I’m like super gluing cuts and chunks back together on these soft wheels to keep them going. Time for something new.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RottenToTheCore on September 23, 2021, 01:35:52 PM
I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?

I skated 60mm spitfire classics and 58mm spitfire og classics with my Ace Af1 55 no problem really, using slightly looser than factory tightness
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 23, 2021, 01:39:09 PM
Anyone have recommendations for fast cruiser wheels? The best I’ve ridden were the older Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 78a. They’re a bit slimmer and lighter than the 60mm Super Juices. I don’t know if it’s due to that or just a better formula but they just accelerate quicker and roll longer.

I don’t care a ton about how well they slide or pop, I just want a soft wheel that’s fast and smooth and somewhere around 60mm. I haven’t tried the newer 80a Mini Logo AWOLs which are cheap but before I go for them, I figure maybe someone knows about Powell soft formulas and maybe there’s like a Powell “equivalent” that improves on the mini logo stuff? Or maybe some long board brand wheels or something? I don’t know, I’ve been obsessing over hard wheels for a while and meanwhile I’m like super gluing cuts and chunks back together on these soft wheels to keep them going. Time for something new.

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/rough-riders

I think these are what you're looking for, I haven't tried them personally but I have heard from Neil Blender's social media and from other old heads whose opinions are worth trusting about skate gear that these are the shit. They come in 56mm and 59mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on September 23, 2021, 02:02:21 PM
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Anyone have recommendations for fast cruiser wheels? The best I’ve ridden were the older Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 78a. They’re a bit slimmer and lighter than the 60mm Super Juices. I don’t know if it’s due to that or just a better formula but they just accelerate quicker and roll longer.

I don’t care a ton about how well they slide or pop, I just want a soft wheel that’s fast and smooth and somewhere around 60mm. I haven’t tried the newer 80a Mini Logo AWOLs which are cheap but before I go for them, I figure maybe someone knows about Powell soft formulas and maybe there’s like a Powell “equivalent” that improves on the mini logo stuff? Or maybe some long board brand wheels or something? I don’t know, I’ve been obsessing over hard wheels for a while and meanwhile I’m like super gluing cuts and chunks back together on these soft wheels to keep them going. Time for something new.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/rough-riders

I think these are what you're looking for, I haven't tried them personally but I have heard from Neil Blender's social media and from other old heads whose opinions are worth trusting about skate gear that these are the shit. They come in 56mm and 59mm.

I prefer Bones rough riders over super juices. They are faster and roll longer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 23, 2021, 02:08:52 PM
I think I read somewhere on here that wheels actually slightly harden over time not soften... ?

Urethane hardens over time, so wheels and bushings, if not used. I can attest to that with bones bushings, I've a set of older mediums that are rock fucking hard right now, no give at all (they're also super yellow).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 23, 2021, 02:09:44 PM
Anyone have recommendations for fast cruiser wheels? The best I’ve ridden were the older Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 78a. They’re a bit slimmer and lighter than the 60mm Super Juices. I don’t know if it’s due to that or just a better formula but they just accelerate quicker and roll longer.

I don’t care a ton about how well they slide or pop, I just want a soft wheel that’s fast and smooth and somewhere around 60mm. I haven’t tried the newer 80a Mini Logo AWOLs which are cheap but before I go for them, I figure maybe someone knows about Powell soft formulas and maybe there’s like a Powell “equivalent” that improves on the mini logo stuff? Or maybe some long board brand wheels or something? I don’t know, I’ve been obsessing over hard wheels for a while and meanwhile I’m like super gluing cuts and chunks back together on these soft wheels to keep them going. Time for something new.

Ricta Clouds man.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on September 23, 2021, 02:27:43 PM
Which hardness on the clouds? Do any of them slide?
I'm skating 52 mm 99a slim speed rings and they're great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Velcro Wallet on September 23, 2021, 02:29:10 PM
I second Ricta clouds. Probably the best soft wheel out there.

I recently picked up some cheap softies that were made by Picture (Aussie brand). 100% the worst wheels I’ve had. I’m 110kgs and had brand new super Reds and I honestly felt like I was slowing down going downhill! Never again. Massive chunks coming off them. Full on Kmart wheels.

But then again, buy cheap, don’t expect much
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GrapeApeAffe on September 23, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
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Do these wheels still feel soft or more porous? Since you mentioned, they are a few years old.

I personally wouldn't worry too much about that and just enjoy the ride as long as possible or til the wheels give up.
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No they feel normal.   I’ve just never seen this before.

Full disclosure... I did email Speedlab and they said they should be fine.  But I’ve been lurking here for awhile and wanted you’re opinion.

BTW I do still have time to return these via amazon, but I really like the color and wanted to ride them, so figured I’d ask here first.
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Had a few like that over the years and it shouldn't affect performance at all, when it is not on the riding surface.

If anything is through the outer area or the riding surface you are going to feel it more on smooth concrete or wooden / metal ramps, but on rough concrete or bitumen surface, even outer surface blemishes and bubbles don't affect the ride at all.

In the same way, some solidly flatspotted wheels I have still work really well on rough surfaces, but drive me crazy on smooth concrete parks or ramps.

Thanks that’s good to hear.

As far as the riding surface. It looks perfectly fine.   Even the front side where the main graphic is doesn’t have any problems.   

Its just these few “chips” on the back side.   I assume this is the top part of the mold when they pour them.?
My guess was since these were a swirl of different colors, perhaps that affected this section, but who knows...


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 23, 2021, 03:36:11 PM


I recently picked up some cheap softies that were made by Picture (Aussie brand). 100% the worst wheels I’ve had. I’m 110kgs and had brand new super Reds and I honestly felt like I was slowing down going downhill! Never again. Massive chunks coming off them. Full on Kmart wheels.

But then again, buy cheap, don’t expect much

Same re those wheels.  A kid had them on his setup and was wondering why his board was so slow, put on some other wheels with bearings already in them and he was amazed at the difference.  Thought it was his bearings, but soon realised it was the wheels.

Not sure how they could have gotten it so wrong, but some companies will pick up whatever leftover stock there is from generic suppliers and rebrand it, which seems like what happened here.  There is minimal rebound on them and even for small lighter beginner kids, those wheels were only going to be good for the first session or two before feeling super sluggish.

Other Aussie brands like 4 from WA are amazing quality.

https://the4skateboardcompany.com/products/softies-wheels

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Velcro Wallet on September 23, 2021, 10:27:49 PM
Yep for sure.

I’ve had 2 sets of slim Arrow 85a wheels and they are awesome. Even did some massive power slides on them going down a very steep, very smooth hill. I thought they were gonna be flat spotted or something because I was going way too fast to put my foot down and sliding was my only option. Ended up doing multiple loooong slides.. They were fine and are still good to this day. Definitely buy them again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: europa1991 on September 26, 2021, 08:05:57 AM
Did OJ just stop making the Nick Boserio 60mm 97a wheels? When I try to find them in stock anywhere online I just see
https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels?gclid=Cj0KCQjwtMCKBhDAARIsAG-2Eu-0h29f8xmG869RX_4EcwGjRY6oR0uS6G4Rl5bovxtdwFIeD0fRXekaAn_bEALw_wcB
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 26, 2021, 11:32:47 AM
Yeah,all his wheels are out of stock right now. I expect we'll see another set from him next season though. If you're cool with orange wheels though, I did some sleuthing and I believe they're just the 60mm, 97a slimeballs in white.

https://www.nhsfunfactory.com/60mm-goooberz-vomits-orange-97a-slime-balls-skateboard-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on September 26, 2021, 05:36:43 PM
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Anyone have recommendations for fast cruiser wheels? The best I’ve ridden were the older Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 78a. They’re a bit slimmer and lighter than the 60mm Super Juices. I don’t know if it’s due to that or just a better formula but they just accelerate quicker and roll longer.

I don’t care a ton about how well they slide or pop, I just want a soft wheel that’s fast and smooth and somewhere around 60mm. I haven’t tried the newer 80a Mini Logo AWOLs which are cheap but before I go for them, I figure maybe someone knows about Powell soft formulas and maybe there’s like a Powell “equivalent” that improves on the mini logo stuff? Or maybe some long board brand wheels or something? I don’t know, I’ve been obsessing over hard wheels for a while and meanwhile I’m like super gluing cuts and chunks back together on these soft wheels to keep them going. Time for something new.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/rough-riders

I think these are what you're looking for, I haven't tried them personally but I have heard from Neil Blender's social media and from other old heads whose opinions are worth trusting about skate gear that these are the shit. They come in 56mm and 59mm.

One more vote for roughriders. Very fast and smooth. I have a set on my polarizer-style set up snd they are dreamy.

The only negative point is that they are fragile to impact. No slappies or other tricks, or you’ll be gluing the chunks you took out back on.

But for strictly cruising I’ve ridden nothing better
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: europa1991 on September 27, 2021, 11:25:50 AM
Got the Shin OJ 58’s at a shop where I was passing through. So far I like them a lot- only got one good session in but I like how sticky they are? Idk.  Maybe I’m just new to OJ’s since I’ve been skating FF’s for years.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 27, 2021, 03:46:11 PM
I decided I wanted to switch it up a little from what I've been riding recently, so I got some Mini Cubics. I've been riding 60mm 95a wheels for a little over a year now, so I don't think the extra 4mm on top will affect me as much as the drastic increase in wideness will lol. I'll be going from a 33.5mm wide wheel to one that is 57mm wide, so I'll be increasing the width of my board by about 1.85 inches. While writing this comment I realized that I do not have either a board or a set of trucks to accommodate the additional width, so it looks like I walked myself into setting up a new complete again. I'm thinking I'll either use a 7.625" set of trucks with a ~9.5" board or get some Indy 109's with an 8.75" or maybe I'll find someone with a penny board they aren't using, harvest the hangars from their trucks and set them up with a different baseplate and some nicer bushings. The last time I used someone's penny board trucks it was a penny knockoff by Kryptonics, and they ended up turning pretty well. They were like 6" so I think that'll give me more wiggle room in terms of board sizing.

I posted this in the big wheel appreciation thread but I got the Mini Cubics and holy shit are they big. I have them flipped inside out on my Ace 44s (recommended by a guy in the big wheel appreciation thread) pretty much because I don't currently have trucks small enough to fit them on a deck that I have, nor do I have a deck big enough to use with the trucks I picked out to use with them (7.625" wide Orion "SP-1"s from the early 2000s I found in my garage amongst a bunch of other old trucks either my brother or I used 20 years ago, I put some Bones mediums on them, with the Mini Cubics on them the right way they measure ~9 1/8" wide, I'll probably set them up with a 9" deck)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on September 27, 2021, 09:10:42 PM
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Anyone have recommendations for fast cruiser wheels? The best I’ve ridden were the older Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 78a. They’re a bit slimmer and lighter than the 60mm Super Juices. I don’t know if it’s due to that or just a better formula but they just accelerate quicker and roll longer.

I don’t care a ton about how well they slide or pop, I just want a soft wheel that’s fast and smooth and somewhere around 60mm. I haven’t tried the newer 80a Mini Logo AWOLs which are cheap but before I go for them, I figure maybe someone knows about Powell soft formulas and maybe there’s like a Powell “equivalent” that improves on the mini logo stuff? Or maybe some long board brand wheels or something? I don’t know, I’ve been obsessing over hard wheels for a while and meanwhile I’m like super gluing cuts and chunks back together on these soft wheels to keep them going. Time for something new.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/rough-riders

I think these are what you're looking for, I haven't tried them personally but I have heard from Neil Blender's social media and from other old heads whose opinions are worth trusting about skate gear that these are the shit. They come in 56mm and 59mm.
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One more vote for roughriders. Very fast and smooth. I have a set on my polarizer-style set up snd they are dreamy.

The only negative point is that they are fragile to impact. No slappies or other tricks, or you’ll be gluing the chunks you took out back on.

But for strictly cruising I’ve ridden nothing better
Thanks for this and all the other responses! Regarding their fragility, would you expect to see the same chunking and cracking on the Rough Riders from hitting bumps and sliding patches of pebbles and stuff? I’m not really trying to hit any terrain that I couldn’t somehow roll over or through otherwise. I know the clouds have a rep for holding up to some abuse. @Xen @VelcroWallet does this factor into why y’all are fans of clouds?

I guess if I trash a set of rough riders quick, it’ll be the third different set of that type of wheel and I can just move on and start messing with the clouds/key frames style.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on September 28, 2021, 03:28:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0VIeA90AB8

You just need to start riding OJ’s

to anyone that runs ojs, do they slide like this in the 99a formula? would love to slide like this but not willing to sacrifice my knees/joints with the 103a duro
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on September 29, 2021, 06:22:59 AM
After all the positive vibes about them i have decided to have a roll on the wheel less travelled
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2021, 09:46:05 AM
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Anyone have recommendations for fast cruiser wheels? The best I’ve ridden were the older Mini Logo AWOL 59mm 78a. They’re a bit slimmer and lighter than the 60mm Super Juices. I don’t know if it’s due to that or just a better formula but they just accelerate quicker and roll longer.

I don’t care a ton about how well they slide or pop, I just want a soft wheel that’s fast and smooth and somewhere around 60mm. I haven’t tried the newer 80a Mini Logo AWOLs which are cheap but before I go for them, I figure maybe someone knows about Powell soft formulas and maybe there’s like a Powell “equivalent” that improves on the mini logo stuff? Or maybe some long board brand wheels or something? I don’t know, I’ve been obsessing over hard wheels for a while and meanwhile I’m like super gluing cuts and chunks back together on these soft wheels to keep them going. Time for something new.
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https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/rough-riders

I think these are what you're looking for, I haven't tried them personally but I have heard from Neil Blender's social media and from other old heads whose opinions are worth trusting about skate gear that these are the shit. They come in 56mm and 59mm.
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One more vote for roughriders. Very fast and smooth. I have a set on my polarizer-style set up snd they are dreamy.

The only negative point is that they are fragile to impact. No slappies or other tricks, or you’ll be gluing the chunks you took out back on.

But for strictly cruising I’ve ridden nothing better
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Thanks for this and all the other responses! Regarding their fragility, would you expect to see the same chunking and cracking on the Rough Riders from hitting bumps and sliding patches of pebbles and stuff? I’m not really trying to hit any terrain that I couldn’t somehow roll over or through otherwise. I know the clouds have a rep for holding up to some abuse. @Xen @VelcroWallet does this factor into why y’all are fans of clouds?

I guess if I trash a set of rough riders quick, it’ll be the third different set of that type of wheel and I can just move on and start messing with the clouds/key frames style.

Ricta just hold up (as do their recent hard/street/park wheels), that said, the set of rough riders also held up but were a bit more sticky. Clouds also have more duro options last I checked.

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to anyone that runs ojs, do they slide like this in the 99a formula? would love to slide like this but not willing to sacrifice my knees/joints with the 103a duro

Only skated the 101s and found them to be very grippy; you need to haul ass to get them to break (just watch that leeper vid or Milton skate).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: palelight on October 01, 2021, 06:22:20 PM
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I'm after some wide 58-60mm wheels for ditches.  I've got some 90A Rat Bones and they're ok but just a bit soft, is there anything else out there around like 95A I should check out?
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NFG 95a 60mm Vee shape

https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/grim-95a-ptf-crust-60mm-vee
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Yeah these wheels are dope.  Thanks again for the tip.

Seconding this. Just set up some 54mm vee's, definitely fill the gap for soft-hard wheels. Was a bit of pain to get em into Canada, but worth it. Was using keyframes for rough spots but the NFG's actually slide, don't bounce, and still eat shitty ground. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on October 02, 2021, 01:16:40 PM
Switched from PFC 53s to Bones STF 56s.

Gawd damn. I have no idea why I was trying to skate small wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on October 03, 2021, 12:16:50 AM
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I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?
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i ride the 60mm f4 spitfires without a riser on 44 classics and it works but i only really skate transition. if you skate lots of flat / street i'd run a riser
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I think you'll be fine with 1/8". I am a pretty big guy and when I was running that combo (58mm speedlabs, Ace 44s, 1/8" risers) I never got serious wheelbite. I did eventually move up to 1/4" for that one, but it was moreso for pop feel.

Unrelated to that, I just want to skate my 87a keyframes all the time lately. I figured out how to revert and do power slides on them and am now addicted to how smooth they feel. Half of me is like "You need to stop this now" and the other half says, "relax, you're old, be comfortable".

I ended up buying another set and can't decide if I should set them up or go exchange them for some conical fulls.
@Macho Taildrop Dude yes this has happened to me too! Ive been using Keyframes to film for years now but I would usually just use them on my regular board so I would switch them out all the time to use the board to skate normally. The other day I set up a Cruiser/Filmer board and I have been skating that as a daily driver for the past week and a half. I can't revert or make them slide too well (please tell me how) but I'm in love with how smooth yet good for regular skating they are. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on October 03, 2021, 07:00:36 AM
After all the positive vibes about them i have decided to have a roll on the wheel less travelled

Welcome to the fold
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 03, 2021, 07:08:05 AM
Switched from PFC 53s to Bones STF 56s.

Gawd damn. I have no idea why I was trying to skate small wheels

Because every size wheel has their place, depending on what you are doing.

I have some 60+ for big go fast wheels, then between 56 - 54 for more normal all rounders (mainly medium transition skating) but I have always had a setup or two with smaller wheels on it, down to 50 and less, but usually more around the 52 size generally, which is fun to muck around on in carparks (curbs) and more street type skateparks.

Funny when I get on the bigger wheel boards, I often think I don't want to go back to smaller wheels, but when doing small things like slappy nose or tail slides it just works better on 50 mm wheels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 03, 2021, 08:03:48 AM
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Switched from PFC 53s to Bones STF 56s.

Gawd damn. I have no idea why I was trying to skate small wheels
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Because every size wheel has their place, depending on what you are doing.

I have some 60+ for big go fast wheels, then between 56 - 54 for more normal all rounders (mainly medium transition skating) but I have always had a setup or two with smaller wheels on it, down to 50 and less, but usually more around the 52 size generally, which is fun to muck around on in carparks (curbs) and more street type skateparks.

Funny when I get on the bigger wheel boards, I often think I don't want to go back to smaller wheels, but when doing small things like slappy nose or tail slides it just works better on 50 mm wheels.


this! I have one setup with 52mm on it and another with 56 conicals, they compliment each other really well!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 03, 2021, 09:46:22 AM
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I want to give Shin my money but not sure if I want to stray from Loophole and maybe the occasional F4.
On another note, how do 58mm wheels ride on aces? I already rock 1/8 riser pads, should I go up to 1/4”?
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i ride the 60mm f4 spitfires without a riser on 44 classics and it works but i only really skate transition. if you skate lots of flat / street i'd run a riser
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I think you'll be fine with 1/8". I am a pretty big guy and when I was running that combo (58mm speedlabs, Ace 44s, 1/8" risers) I never got serious wheelbite. I did eventually move up to 1/4" for that one, but it was moreso for pop feel.

Unrelated to that, I just want to skate my 87a keyframes all the time lately. I figured out how to revert and do power slides on them and am now addicted to how smooth they feel. Half of me is like "You need to stop this now" and the other half says, "relax, you're old, be comfortable".

I ended up buying another set and can't decide if I should set them up or go exchange them for some conical fulls.
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@Macho Taildrop Dude yes this has happened to me too! Ive been using Keyframes to film for years now but I would usually just use them on my regular board so I would switch them out all the time to use the board to skate normally. The other day I set up a Cruiser/Filmer board and I have been skating that as a daily driver for the past week and a half. I can't revert or make them slide too well (please tell me how) but I'm in love with how smooth yet good for regular skating they are.

Yeah, it's addictive. I did set up some F4s on another board and have been rotating between the two but the keyframes are getting a lot of love. For reverts, it's just being a little lighter on my feet than normal though it definitely isn't as easy or graceful as on my spits.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on October 05, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
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just got the Natas OJ 58mm 95a wheels

i mostly skate in a parking lot with bad ground + hitting a curb. it feels amazing the speed you get on these and it costs you no energy. you cant powerslide as good as STF but i dont really care about that anymore. i have another setup if i want to do that. they grip the floor a bit better if you want to make a really tight turn on a manual or some shit it is a lot better thna having STF in situations like that. not sure if they will flat spot easily tohugh will have to see. i mean they arent THAT soft hopefully they dont get chewed on a hill bomb powerslide but will try to avoid that til after the wnter at least lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on October 05, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
Between 95a 54mm OJs nomads and 99a  54mm F4 conicals (not the fulls) is one a preferred all around street wheel slides ,power slides, and can handle some mild Midwest crust?

I typically skate F4 classics and currently on bones v5
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on October 13, 2021, 06:06:43 AM
Hardy Boy,
Are you a real human being writing like that?
I keep seeing bots in here writing like they learned how to speak from reading Amazon reviews.

Are you for real?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on October 13, 2021, 06:54:02 AM
I recently allowed logic back into my life to fight the gear madness and went back to riding 99a F4 Conical Fulls.  Honestly, I think they’re the best wheel for everything.  The 99a slides and grips well, you get a wide riding surface for crusty spots, you arnt slowed down by a softer wheel formula, and the edges are just rounded enough to ride up into slappys easily.  There are other wheels that look/feel cooler IMO that I’ve skated recently - Loophole v-cuts, big Spitfire OG classics, the 97a F4’s, but the 99a conical fulls just make sense. Currently riding a set of 53 mm cause the shop was out of 54s.

Has anyone also gone through this process only to end up back on good old conical fulls?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 13, 2021, 07:40:45 AM
I recently allowed logic back into my life to fight the gear madness and went back to riding 99a F4 Conical Fulls.  Honestly, I think they’re the best wheel for everything.  The 99a slides and grips well, you get a wide riding surface for crusty spots, you arnt slowed down by a softer wheel formula, and the edges are just rounded enough to ride up into slappys easily.  There are other wheels that look/feel cooler IMO that I’ve skated recently - Loophole v-cuts, big Spitfire OG classics, the 97a F4’s, but the 99a conical fulls just make sense. Currently riding a set of 53 mm cause the shop was out of 54s.

Has anyone also gone through this process only to end up back on good old conical fulls?

Yeah, I’ve got a stash of wheels, none of which I bought at retail, that I keep fucking with. Every time I stray too far from Spitfire F4 conical full 97a wheels, I instantly regret my mistake. Actually skated some OJs yesterday and they were noticeably slower despite being harder (I know that hardness does not necessarily equal speed).

Actually took all my other sets of wheels out yesterday and I’m going to post them for sale or trade in the classifieds. If anyone has some 97as they don’t enjoy, hmu.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 13, 2021, 08:43:41 AM
This has probably been mentioned before but it’s cool how black wheels are kind of becoming popular, at least from what I see on Instagram among younger skaters
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on October 13, 2021, 11:20:10 AM
I recently allowed logic back into my life to fight the gear madness and went back to riding 99a F4 Conical Fulls.  Honestly, I think they’re the best wheel for everything.  The 99a slides and grips well, you get a wide riding surface for crusty spots, you arnt slowed down by a softer wheel formula, and the edges are just rounded enough to ride up into slappys easily.  There are other wheels that look/feel cooler IMO that I’ve skated recently - Loophole v-cuts, big Spitfire OG classics, the 97a F4’s, but the 99a conical fulls just make sense. Currently riding a set of 53 mm cause the shop was out of 54s.

Has anyone also gone through this process only to end up back on good old conical fulls?
Yup
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on October 13, 2021, 04:12:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3JlB8s.jpg)

On y’all’s recommendation I set up some Rough Riders 59mm on a freshly-cleaned set of Quantum Isotopes and this thing flys now. I had the mini logos wheels for so long, I have no idea what they felt like new but they were always my favorite cause of their quick acceleration, lighter weight, and overall feel. The Rough Riders are lighter and quicker, are incredibly smooth, but don’t feel quite as bouncy as the mini logos or Super Juices, etc.
They grip really well too. Last night I was coming way too fast off the street into a bank’s driveway with a backpack loaded with groceries (and I’m a bigger dude). I was too weighted over the back truck and wasn’t turning hard enough but millimeters before essentially powersliding to Superman over/into a curb and shrubbery, I just hail-Mary carved as hard as I could, way harder than I’d be comfortable doing for fun, and the back two wheels just held the swerve to save my ass.
Anyway, these are gonna be fun to break in, I’ll update as far as their fragility once I’m ready to really abuse them. Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 13, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
I've been really liking Autobahn Street Slims for the 2 setups I've ridden them on, ridden then in 54 and now 51 which I feel is the sweet spot for them (51-52). Not as grippy or flatspot resistant as F4, but they slide fast with a shape that makes for good technical skating. F4 just look chunky by comparison. Excel at smooth parks, rough asphalt is no bueno. A good choice if you got some gear madness that need to be scratched.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on October 13, 2021, 09:15:39 PM
I recently allowed logic back into my life to fight the gear madness and went back to riding 99a F4 Conical Fulls.  Honestly, I think they’re the best wheel for everything.  The 99a slides and grips well, you get a wide riding surface for crusty spots, you arnt slowed down by a softer wheel formula, and the edges are just rounded enough to ride up into slappys easily.  There are other wheels that look/feel cooler IMO that I’ve skated recently - Loophole v-cuts, big Spitfire OG classics, the 97a F4’s, but the 99a conical fulls just make sense. Currently riding a set of 53 mm cause the shop was out of 54s.

Has anyone also gone through this process only to end up back on good old conical fulls?
good for you, loophole 56 v-cut are my go to at the moment, but I just got some 97 conical fulls so let's see how they go
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 13, 2021, 10:08:40 PM
Any recommendations on Santa Cruz Slimeballs? Looking for an alternative to my conical fulls. I like wheel sizes 53-55mm, mostly use 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 20, 2021, 03:30:41 AM
I'm about to get some Oj Super Juice Minis for my cruiser Those are 55mm and I ride Ace trucks. Normally I have 54mm 99d wheels and no risers, no problem with wheelbites. These Ojs are 1mm bigger and much softer than my usual wheels so would it be better to use risers with these to get more turning radius and less wheelbite?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on October 20, 2021, 05:46:17 AM
This has probably been mentioned before but it’s cool how black wheels are kind of becoming popular, at least from what I see on Instagram among younger skaters

It makes a lot of sense considering half the surface of the wheel turns black anyways.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kevve on October 20, 2021, 01:19:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3JlB8s.jpg)

On y’all’s recommendation I set up some Rough Riders 59mm on a freshly-cleaned set of Quantum Isotopes and this thing flys now. I had the mini logos wheels for so long, I have no idea what they felt like new but they were always my favorite cause of their quick acceleration, lighter weight, and overall feel. The Rough Riders are lighter and quicker, are incredibly smooth, but don’t feel quite as bouncy as the mini logos or Super Juices, etc.
They grip really well too. Last night I was coming way too fast off the street into a bank’s driveway with a backpack loaded with groceries (and I’m a bigger dude). I was too weighted over the back truck and wasn’t turning hard enough but millimeters before essentially powersliding to Superman over/into a curb and shrubbery, I just hail-Mary carved as hard as I could, way harder than I’d be comfortable doing for fun, and the back two wheels just held the swerve to save my ass.
Anyway, these are gonna be fun to break in, I’ll update as far as their fragility once I’m ready to really abuse them. Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions.

Ive been thinking about trying these too, my 10+ years old Powell wheels have got too hard with time. Have you tried the oj keyframes by any chance? Having a hard time choosing between the two as i cant test them before
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on October 21, 2021, 06:59:15 AM
How do you guys feel about these Bones OG's 100a? Solid street wheel shape/formula?

https://www.tactics.com/bones/100s-og-formula-v5-sidecut-skateboard-wheels/black-purple-4-100a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on October 21, 2021, 08:21:26 AM
How do you guys feel about these Bones OG's 100a? Solid street wheel shape/formula?

https://www.tactics.com/bones/100s-og-formula-v5-sidecut-skateboard-wheels/black-purple-4-100a

They are solid, slide nice and not slow but will flatspot easier than stf/f4. They are a great for their price, at least here they are 15-20€ cheaper than stf/f4. They are better than other wheels at their price range, like waywards. I have them in v4, which is almost the same shape with spitfire classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on October 21, 2021, 05:16:35 PM
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On y’all’s recommendation I set up some Rough Riders 59mm on a freshly-cleaned set of Quantum Isotopes and this thing flys now. I had the mini logos wheels for so long, I have no idea what they felt like new but they were always my favorite cause of their quick acceleration, lighter weight, and overall feel. The Rough Riders are lighter and quicker, are incredibly smooth, but don’t feel quite as bouncy as the mini logos or Super Juices, etc.
They grip really well too. Last night I was coming way too fast off the street into a bank’s driveway with a backpack loaded with groceries (and I’m a bigger dude). I was too weighted over the back truck and wasn’t turning hard enough but millimeters before essentially powersliding to Superman over/into a curb and shrubbery, I just hail-Mary carved as hard as I could, way harder than I’d be comfortable doing for fun, and the back two wheels just held the swerve to save my ass.
Anyway, these are gonna be fun to break in, I’ll update as far as their fragility once I’m ready to really abuse them. Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions.
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Ive been thinking about trying these too, my 10+ years old Powell wheels have got too hard with time. Have you tried the oj keyframes by any chance? Having a hard time choosing between the two as i cant test them before

I haven’t ridden Keyframes. These are really wide, closer to a super juice size although they feel way lighter. They definitely have less urethane and more core than other wheels I’ve ridden. They still handle rocks and cracks really well but you feel the ground more than other squishy wheels. Seems like they’d get shredded pretty quick if you tried to skate a curb on em.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on October 21, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
How do you guys feel about these Bones OG's 100a? Solid street wheel shape/formula?

https://www.tactics.com/bones/100s-og-formula-v5-sidecut-skateboard-wheels/black-purple-4-100a

I've used them, a really solid wheel. Versatile over different surfaces imo. Like someone mentioned, they are like $20 aud cheaper or for me anyway and better than other brands at that point. I didn't like WayWards Wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on October 23, 2021, 06:09:21 AM
Started my own wheel company about a year ago. Just got a fresh batch! Only 52mm and 54mm for now but looking to do some larger sizes on my next run.
(https://i.ibb.co/gg2GX6P/EA67597-F-0904-4430-8-FC6-9083-C66-F45-F9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gg2GX6P)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 23, 2021, 06:20:24 AM
Looking for some wheels for a transition and curb setup, specifically something between 90-97a. I’ve been riding 54mm 99a conical fulls which work great for when I’m skating outside but are way too slick at my local indoor. Would be down for some sort of OJ wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on October 23, 2021, 07:21:51 AM
Looking for some wheels for a transition and curb setup, specifically something between 90-97a. I’ve been riding 54mm 99a conical fulls which work great for when I’m skating outside but are way too slick at my local indoor. Would be down for some sort of OJ wheel

skating formula four 97a classics right now. hands down the best wheel i skated for our dusty indoor masonite covered park.
reckon 97a conical fulls would be even grippier.

I like these wheels better than everything I've tested previously, including 92a rictas, 97a Santa Cruz wheels, harder formula fours, some 87a pig wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: RottenToTheCore on October 23, 2021, 08:30:07 AM
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Looking for some wheels for a transition and curb setup, specifically something between 90-97a. I’ve been riding 54mm 99a conical fulls which work great for when I’m skating outside but are way too slick at my local indoor. Would be down for some sort of OJ wheel
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skating formula four 97a classics right now. hands down the best wheel i skated for our dusty indoor masonite covered park.
reckon 97a conical fulls would be even grippier.

I like these wheels better than everything I've tested previously, including 92a rictas, 97a Santa Cruz wheels, harder formula fours, some 87a pig wheels

Sounds good I’ll give these a shot, hate sliding around in indoor parks, accidentally power slide just from turning sometimes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: versacekid420 on October 23, 2021, 11:29:08 AM
How do you guys feel about these Bones OG's 100a? Solid street wheel shape/formula?

https://www.tactics.com/bones/100s-og-formula-v5-sidecut-skateboard-wheels/black-purple-4-100a
in my personal opinion (i’m skating some right now. black 54s) they are good wheels. i used to skate STFs as a kid because of trevor colden but i realized my home was spitfire. but anyway i’m skating bones 100s again. they are good but they just don’t slide well at all and they flat spot really easily. one blunt slide on a ledge and got 2 flat spots. but other than that, they’re fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 23, 2021, 01:07:57 PM
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Looking for some wheels for a transition and curb setup, specifically something between 90-97a. I’ve been riding 54mm 99a conical fulls which work great for when I’m skating outside but are way too slick at my local indoor. Would be down for some sort of OJ wheel
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skating formula four 97a classics right now. hands down the best wheel i skated for our dusty indoor masonite covered park.
reckon 97a conical fulls would be even grippier.

I like these wheels better than everything I've tested previously, including 92a rictas, 97a Santa Cruz wheels, harder formula fours, some 87a pig wheels

The 97a Spitfires are definitely the best wheel I've found for dusty indoor parks where the kids use way too much wax.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 23, 2021, 05:16:37 PM
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Looking for some wheels for a transition and curb setup, specifically something between 90-97a. I’ve been riding 54mm 99a conical fulls which work great for when I’m skating outside but are way too slick at my local indoor. Would be down for some sort of OJ wheel
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skating formula four 97a classics right now. hands down the best wheel i skated for our dusty indoor masonite covered park.
reckon 97a conical fulls would be even grippier.

I like these wheels better than everything I've tested previously, including 92a rictas, 97a Santa Cruz wheels, harder formula fours, some 87a pig wheels
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The 97a Spitfires are definitely the best wheel I've found for dusty indoor parks where the kids use way too much wax.

Agreed there too!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on October 29, 2021, 01:20:17 PM
Anyone know what wheels Franky Villani is running? I might be a minority but I fucking love the neon green and orange swirled wheels he rides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on October 29, 2021, 01:31:35 PM
Anyone know what wheels Franky Villani is running? I might be a minority but I fucking love the neon green and orange swirled wheels he rides.
I meant to answer you earlier. Franky rides for Spitfire. There's a big flying wheel sticker on his board in one of the clips. A smaller version of that sticker comes with OG Classics but this one is larger so no guarantee that's the shape he rides. They do color swirl drops a couple times a year so I think he just has some from his box held back or asks for all swirls. If you check their page and their IG account they have updates on the seasonal drops but colored wheels are weird -- sometimes they sell out quick and sometimes they sit on the shelves for months.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 29, 2021, 01:43:13 PM
Anyone know what wheels Franky Villani is running? I might be a minority but I fucking love the neon green and orange swirled wheels he rides.

Conical fulls

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0005/9450/9876/products/10SF69-70_001_FD_web_1024x1024.jpg?v=1629461744)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on October 29, 2021, 02:40:37 PM
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Looking for some wheels for a transition and curb setup, specifically something between 90-97a. I’ve been riding 54mm 99a conical fulls which work great for when I’m skating outside but are way too slick at my local indoor. Would be down for some sort of OJ wheel
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skating formula four 97a classics right now. hands down the best wheel i skated for our dusty indoor masonite covered park.
reckon 97a conical fulls would be even grippier.

I like these wheels better than everything I've tested previously, including 92a rictas, 97a Santa Cruz wheels, harder formula fours, some 87a pig wheels

NFG 95a formula is better once it's broken in
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on October 29, 2021, 04:38:29 PM
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Anyone know what wheels Franky Villani is running? I might be a minority but I fucking love the neon green and orange swirled wheels he rides.
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Conical fulls

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0005/9450/9876/products/10SF69-70_001_FD_web_1024x1024.jpg?v=1629461744)

yeah those are sick imo...I'd buy the shit out of them if they were in a big size like 54-56. When they were released previously were they in multiple sizes?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on October 29, 2021, 04:59:29 PM


these are available in 55 in most shops here in canada, looks like usa has 53 too. came out this spring.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2021, 06:31:36 PM


these are available in 55 in most shops here in canada, looks like usa has 53 too. came out this spring.

More often than not, the swirl/tinted spitfires are usually 53mm + super rare they make fun shit below 53. Even the recent orange tablets were 53/54 only.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on October 30, 2021, 03:13:04 PM
I purchased some fraudulent F4 101 Venomous Radial Slims. Typically I purchase everything from the local, but the owner said he can only get Spits in 54mm or bigger. Riding Thunders with 54s is just wheel bite, doesn't feel right.

They arrived without the typical Spitfire accoutrements. The wheels were wrapped in cellophane. After an hour of breaking them in they don't slide anything like the same wheels they replaced and felt like riding on ice. The graphics on the wheels are sloppy to boot. I know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened. They were bought from tgm_skateboards on eBay. Kinda bummed, but oh well.  :-\
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on October 30, 2021, 03:20:41 PM
know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened.

Plenty of shops in Europe had them this summer, including my local. Bought a set and they were as legit as they come.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 30, 2021, 04:10:44 PM
I purchased some fraudulent F4 101 Venomous Radial Slims. Typically I purchase everything from the local, but the owner said he can only get Spits in 54mm or bigger. Riding Thunders with 54s is just wheel bite, doesn't feel right.

They arrived without the typical Spitfire accoutrements. The wheels were wrapped in cellophane. After an hour of breaking them in they don't slide anything like the same wheels they replaced and felt like riding on ice. The graphics on the wheels are sloppy to boot. I know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened. They were bought from tgm_skateboards on eBay. Kinda bummed, but oh well.  :-\

TGM should have known better.

Ebay does have a fake product guarantee, so you could start a claim and have a full refund.

Others I know who got sucked in had the same thing, with a full refund as a result.


Sucks that some shops and places / people who seem legit are selling crap like this.


DLX have not confirmed they are not making any more, but there have not been any Radial Slim wheels for over a year in any catalog or production information.  That is not to say that there are not still some out there - I have a couple of sets still but I don't have them in the shop now because of the limited supply.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on October 30, 2021, 05:47:01 PM
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I purchased some fraudulent F4 101 Venomous Radial Slims. Typically I purchase everything from the local, but the owner said he can only get Spits in 54mm or bigger. Riding Thunders with 54s is just wheel bite, doesn't feel right.

They arrived without the typical Spitfire accoutrements. The wheels were wrapped in cellophane. After an hour of breaking them in they don't slide anything like the same wheels they replaced and felt like riding on ice. The graphics on the wheels are sloppy to boot. I know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened. They were bought from tgm_skateboards on eBay. Kinda bummed, but oh well.  :-\
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TGM should have known better.

Ebay does have a fake product guarantee, so you could start a claim and have a full refund.

Others I know who got sucked in had the same thing, with a full refund as a result.


Sucks that some shops and places / people who seem legit are selling crap like this.


DLX have not confirmed they are not making any more, but there have not been any Radial Slim wheels for over a year in any catalog or production information.  That is not to say that there are not still some out there - I have a couple of sets still but I don't have them in the shop now because of the limited supply.

Thank you, you really know what you're talking about, I love reading your posts. I'm not a regular eBayer so I really appreciate your input and have just started a claim. Those 52mm Loopholes are looking tempting now, going to research them further.   :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 30, 2021, 08:34:38 PM
Has anyone skated Speed Lab wheels?
I’ve been tempted to get a set of the Slappy Hour Collabs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2021, 09:08:38 PM
Plenty of Radial Slim stock out there, and from reputable sellers/small shops via parade:

https://www.paradeworld.com/skateboards/spitfire-wheels/spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slims/

https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-venomous-radial-slims-52mm-101a-skateboard-wheels.html

52mm
https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/spitfire-f4-formula-four-venomous-radial-slims-101d-52mm-set-of-4/

$33 54mm
https://garageskateshop.com/products/spitfire-f4-venomous-radial-slim-wheels?_pos=1&_sid=d3ec423ff&_ss=r
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 30, 2021, 09:13:12 PM
Has anyone skated Speed Lab wheels?
I’ve been tempted to get a set of the Slappy Hour Collabs.

Yes and yes I would recommend them for a different option, especially in the slightly lower duro (97 or even 95 range) but all of them work well enough.  Slightly more likely to flatspot, like many wheels, but they come in various sizes, shapes, etc which are often good for people who want something like that 54 and 56 mm conical full looking wheels, as per the Slappy Hours, with the different colours.

Sold out from their own site, but I have seen quite a few around in various places.


https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-54mm-99a-jason-adams-guest-model

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-56mm-99a-jason-adams-pro-model



There are even the 58mm with yellow swirls, but they are harder to find:


https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-58mm-99a-jason-adams-pro-model
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on October 31, 2021, 04:17:52 AM
Fun colored f4 have been hitting different lately. Skating these orange spanky wheels and I love them. Also have some blue radials on deck too. I still like the off white patato color best tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 31, 2021, 07:03:34 AM
Put my Oj Super Juices in test yesterday and loved them.
Rolls so smoothly and easier for feet as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on October 31, 2021, 07:12:34 AM
Plenty of Radial Slim stock out there, and from reputable sellers/small shops via parade:

https://www.paradeworld.com/skateboards/spitfire-wheels/spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slims/

https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-venomous-radial-slims-52mm-101a-skateboard-wheels.html

52mm
https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/spitfire-f4-formula-four-venomous-radial-slims-101d-52mm-set-of-4/

$33 54mm
https://garageskateshop.com/products/spitfire-f4-venomous-radial-slim-wheels?_pos=1&_sid=d3ec423ff&_ss=r

Good looking out, Old Skull used to be my local. They're nice dudes and do a bunch for the community, I'll purchase from them. Thank you Xen.  :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on October 31, 2021, 07:46:06 AM
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Has anyone skated Speed Lab wheels?
I’ve been tempted to get a set of the Slappy Hour Collabs.
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Yes and yes I would recommend them for a different option, especially in the slightly lower duro (97 or even 95 range) but all of them work well enough.  Slightly more likely to flatspot, like many wheels, but they come in various sizes, shapes, etc which are often good for people who want something like that 54 and 56 mm conical full looking wheels, as per the Slappy Hours, with the different colours.

Sold out from their own site, but I have seen quite a few around in various places.


https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-54mm-99a-jason-adams-guest-model

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-56mm-99a-jason-adams-pro-model



There are even the 58mm with yellow swirls, but they are harder to find:


https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-58mm-99a-jason-adams-pro-model

speedlab/slappyhour has a 97a 54mm wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 31, 2021, 09:22:09 AM
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I purchased some fraudulent F4 101 Venomous Radial Slims. Typically I purchase everything from the local, but the owner said he can only get Spits in 54mm or bigger. Riding Thunders with 54s is just wheel bite, doesn't feel right.

They arrived without the typical Spitfire accoutrements. The wheels were wrapped in cellophane. After an hour of breaking them in they don't slide anything like the same wheels they replaced and felt like riding on ice. The graphics on the wheels are sloppy to boot. I know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened. They were bought from tgm_skateboards on eBay. Kinda bummed, but oh well.  :-\
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TGM should have known better.

Ebay does have a fake product guarantee, so you could start a claim and have a full refund.

Others I know who got sucked in had the same thing, with a full refund as a result.


Sucks that some shops and places / people who seem legit are selling crap like this.


DLX have not confirmed they are not making any more, but there have not been any Radial Slim wheels for over a year in any catalog or production information.  That is not to say that there are not still some out there - I have a couple of sets still but I don't have them in the shop now because of the limited supply.

I don't want to derail things but does TGM regularly sell counterfeit product? Had an amazon gift card and ordered some ventures from them through their storefront on there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 31, 2021, 09:24:38 AM
Yeah, I had a bunch of eBay credit and bought some Bones Swiss from their eBay store. They are listed as a genuine seller of Bones on their website, and the bearings appear to be authentic (and they're like a year old now). I suspect if anyone got scammed, it was maybe TGM, since I doubt a huge retailer like that wants to get in trouble with Spitfire.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on October 31, 2021, 09:30:30 AM
Yeah, I had a bunch of eBay credit and bought some Bones Swiss from their eBay store. They are listed as a genuine seller of Bones on their website, and the bearings appear to be authentic (and they're like a year old now). I suspect if anyone got scammed, it was maybe TGM, since I doubt a huge retailer like that wants to get in trouble with Spitfire.

Hmm, yeah, I agree. What I don't understand though is why they came wrapped in several layers of saran wrap without the Spitfire leaflet or sticker. The auction described them as "brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging". Seems like it should have set off red flags.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 31, 2021, 09:47:21 AM
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Yeah, I had a bunch of eBay credit and bought some Bones Swiss from their eBay store. They are listed as a genuine seller of Bones on their website, and the bearings appear to be authentic (and they're like a year old now). I suspect if anyone got scammed, it was maybe TGM, since I doubt a huge retailer like that wants to get in trouble with Spitfire.
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Hmm, yeah, I agree. What I don't understand though is why they came wrapped in several layers of saran wrap without the Spitfire leaflet or sticker. The auction described them as "brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging". Seems like it should have set off red flags.

Sounds very unlikely TGM would sell fake Spitfires but I may be wrong. I bought and tested a few sets of the fake Spitfires and there are a few visual telltale signs:
1) Color - bone white or greenish white instead of off-white / yellow
2) Shape - the 54mm Radial Slims were conical or classic shaped instead of Radial
3) Dimensions - the fakes were fatter than the usual radial slims

Slide wise they were horrible, incredibly sticky and hard.

I know TGM sells stuff via eBay and they are likely to get stock direct from DLX or a distributor. Unless they are mixing their genuine stuff with the fake stuff? Would be easy to do that with bearings since the counterfeits are much harder to differentiate from the genuine, packaging is 99% spot on. But wheels? The shape and color are a clear giveaway.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on October 31, 2021, 11:37:28 AM
been skating the 99 53 black f4 classic full shape and the urethane feels a bit softer than my buddies 99 54 conical fulls. has anyone had any experience with wheel color changing the feel? he tried my board and said they felt softer without me telling him so it's definitely not a bias.

i dont know... maybe the madness is just driving me insane
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 31, 2021, 04:11:14 PM
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Has anyone skated Speed Lab wheels?
I’ve been tempted to get a set of the Slappy Hour Collabs.
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Yes and yes I would recommend them for a different option, especially in the slightly lower duro (97 or even 95 range) but all of them work well enough.  Slightly more likely to flatspot, like many wheels, but they come in various sizes, shapes, etc which are often good for people who want something like that 54 and 56 mm conical full looking wheels, as per the Slappy Hours, with the different colours.

Sold out from their own site, but I have seen quite a few around in various places.


https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-54mm-99a-jason-adams-guest-model

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-56mm-99a-jason-adams-pro-model



There are even the 58mm with yellow swirls, but they are harder to find:


https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/slappy-hour-58mm-99a-jason-adams-pro-model
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speedlab/slappyhour has a 97a 54mm wheel?


Not the Slappy Hour wheels, but others in the same size and shape, mainly the Nomad and the Danforth, which also come in coloured options too:

https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/speedlab-nomads-bloodstain-56mm-97a-skateboard-wheels

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on November 01, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
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Yeah, I had a bunch of eBay credit and bought some Bones Swiss from their eBay store. They are listed as a genuine seller of Bones on their website, and the bearings appear to be authentic (and they're like a year old now). I suspect if anyone got scammed, it was maybe TGM, since I doubt a huge retailer like that wants to get in trouble with Spitfire.
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Hmm, yeah, I agree. What I don't understand though is why they came wrapped in several layers of saran wrap without the Spitfire leaflet or sticker. The auction described them as "brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item in its original packaging". Seems like it should have set off red flags.

Well if I ordered something listed as "brand new in original packaging" and it showed up wrapped in saran wrap, I'd immediately contact the seller.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2021, 10:55:43 AM
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I purchased some fraudulent F4 101 Venomous Radial Slims. Typically I purchase everything from the local, but the owner said he can only get Spits in 54mm or bigger. Riding Thunders with 54s is just wheel bite, doesn't feel right.

They arrived without the typical Spitfire accoutrements. The wheels were wrapped in cellophane. After an hour of breaking them in they don't slide anything like the same wheels they replaced and felt like riding on ice. The graphics on the wheels are sloppy to boot. I know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened. They were bought from tgm_skateboards on eBay. Kinda bummed, but oh well.  :-\
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TGM should have known better.

Ebay does have a fake product guarantee, so you could start a claim and have a full refund.

Others I know who got sucked in had the same thing, with a full refund as a result.


Sucks that some shops and places / people who seem legit are selling crap like this.


DLX have not confirmed they are not making any more, but there have not been any Radial Slim wheels for over a year in any catalog or production information.  That is not to say that there are not still some out there - I have a couple of sets still but I don't have them in the shop now because of the limited supply.
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Thank you, you really know what you're talking about, I love reading your posts. I'm not a regular eBayer so I really appreciate your input and have just started a claim. Those 52mm Loopholes are looking tempting now, going to research them further.   :)

My 52mm Loopholes measured 52.5 and were not that great. Gripped fine, didn't slide super well, lots of cosmetic blems. I'm not a big fan and a few friends have had the same problems. Just get the equivalent F4 shape. My SML were also better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 01, 2021, 02:52:51 PM
I've ridden five or more sets of the Loophole/NFG 52mm teardrops over the last few years and I've always been happy with them. I should say that I don't care at all about cosmetic defects (when I'm visiting the NFG facility I try to pick out the sets with the most bubbles on the sidewall, they're less expensive and I feel like the bubbles help with my slappies, but it might just be in my head tbh), and while it's unfortunate that they have had some variations in size they've done a lot to improve and stay consistent. NFG could only get the equipment that they could afford at their start, and it's different equipment than what "The Wizard" was working with when he was the chemist over at Pointec (Spitfire) so he and the whole team have had to progressively adjust their manufacturing methods over time to optimize them with the equipment they have access to. That's why in earlier runs they came out in varying shades of off white/yellow, measured smaller than normal, the graphic came off easier, etc. They've figured out over time how to resolve these issues and with every new batch of wheels they get better at making them.

TLDR go and buy different wheels if you feel like it but I bet that if you got another set of those Loopholes you would find yourself liking them more than you remember.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 01, 2021, 05:38:53 PM
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My 52mm Loopholes measured 52.5 and were not that great. Gripped fine, didn't slide super well, lots of cosmetic blems. I'm not a big fan and a few friends have had the same problems. Just get the equivalent F4 shape. My SML were also better.
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Awe, that's disappointing, sorry to hear they're meh.  :-\ I ended up ordering a set of F4s of Old Skull.

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Well if I ordered something listed as "brand new in original packaging" and it showed up wrapped in saran wrap, I'd immediately contact the seller.
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Yeah, I wasn't being too bright and assumed the chances of a well-established distributor selling counterfeit goods was slim. Lesson learned.

I love you guys, thanks for your feedback and help.


Shoes and Gear almost always help with info and things which is why I like it here.


It always used to bug me when a few shops I know would always take the wheels out of the packaging, put the sticker in the cabinet and the wheels on pegs on the wall.  Sure they display well enough and it takes up a lot less room, but that packaging to some is worth keeping too, as well as the old "Don't even get me started on shops keeping or selling stickers that come with wheels, decks, etc"

At the end of the day, it is the choice of the shop how they present their products, but I stopped buying from them when I knew I could get wheels still in original packaging from someone else for the same price.


Having fake / counterfeit product is a whole new level of low, with increasing numbers of legit shops / people knowingly selling this sort of stuff, or even mixing in some genuine and some counterfeit, but as per customers who know the real product from the fake stuff, it is a sure way to lose customers and get a bad rep for the shop.

I had seen a shop assistant swap over counterfeit for genuine product on one occasion in a place I worked at a while back, which was easy to see as I knew what I was looking for (and the kid got fired as a result), so that was not the fault of the shop in that case and weirder things have happened, but I got the impression that TGM was a super high turnover / low end / cheap / bargain type of place for a while now, but this just makes me sad to think they are actively selling fake wheels.


Counterfeit thread here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0


**  Those radial slim wheels should always have one head and three tails in the wheel packaging.  If they have four heads, then they are much more likely to be fake.

Genuine Radial Slim wheels:



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/radial-slim-wheels.png)


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on November 02, 2021, 08:36:06 AM
Two sessions in with the 55mm super juices. I simply love these. It feels weird not be able to powerslide or revert but on the other hand the feeling of 100% control over your board is so fun. You can blast on carves as fast as you want.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 02, 2021, 08:37:24 AM
Two sessions in with the 55mm super juices. I simply love these. It feels weird not be able to powerslide or revert but on the other hand the feeling of 100% control over your board is so fun. You can blast on carves as fast as you want.
Super juices are great! Them and the Ricta clouds are the only soft wheels I’ve had that don’t chunk on super crusty surfaces
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 02, 2021, 09:56:23 AM
Big typo above:

My 52 Loophole actually measured 50.5
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 02, 2021, 09:59:33 AM
Big typo above:

My 52 Loophole actually measured 50.5

Yeah those were made with the old molds. They got new ones since then that measure a lot closer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: europa1991 on November 02, 2021, 11:21:39 AM
Wanted to try some Loopholes since there’s going to be a new drop soon but are they all 101a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 02, 2021, 11:36:02 AM
Wanted to try some Loopholes since there’s going to be a new drop soon but are they all 101a?

yeah loophole are all the harder wheel, unlike nfg who has the 95 in their lineup. also their new stuff is up on their site/in stores
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on November 02, 2021, 11:43:07 AM
im over hard wheels honestly. 95a Natas 58mm OJ's now best wheels i have ever had. tearing up the shit ground and also skatepark. not sliding all over the place on QPs anymore. feel so much safer on these. they slide only when you want them to.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 02, 2021, 11:50:49 AM
Wanted to try some Loopholes since there’s going to be a new drop soon but are they all 101a?

they're 52D which is basically 103A
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: europa1991 on November 02, 2021, 12:47:52 PM
https://youtu.be/RES3vZOGmFY
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on November 02, 2021, 01:34:07 PM
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I purchased some fraudulent F4 101 Venomous Radial Slims. Typically I purchase everything from the local, but the owner said he can only get Spits in 54mm or bigger. Riding Thunders with 54s is just wheel bite, doesn't feel right.

They arrived without the typical Spitfire accoutrements. The wheels were wrapped in cellophane. After an hour of breaking them in they don't slide anything like the same wheels they replaced and felt like riding on ice. The graphics on the wheels are sloppy to boot. I know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened. They were bought from tgm_skateboards on eBay. Kinda bummed, but oh well.  :-\
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TGM should have known better.

Ebay does have a fake product guarantee, so you could start a claim and have a full refund.

Others I know who got sucked in had the same thing, with a full refund as a result.


Sucks that some shops and places / people who seem legit are selling crap like this.


DLX have not confirmed they are not making any more, but there have not been any Radial Slim wheels for over a year in any catalog or production information.  That is not to say that there are not still some out there - I have a couple of sets still but I don't have them in the shop now because of the limited supply.
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Thank you, you really know what you're talking about, I love reading your posts. I'm not a regular eBayer so I really appreciate your input and have just started a claim. Those 52mm Loopholes are looking tempting now, going to research them further.   :)
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My 52mm Loopholes measured 52.5 and were not that great. Gripped fine, didn't slide super well, lots of cosmetic blems. I'm not a big fan and a few friends have had the same problems. Just get the equivalent F4 shape. My SML were also better.

Hmmmm that’s disappointing, I love my loopholes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on November 03, 2021, 08:27:11 AM
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Two sessions in with the 55mm super juices. I simply love these. It feels weird not be able to powerslide or revert but on the other hand the feeling of 100% control over your board is so fun. You can blast on carves as fast as you want.
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Super juices are great! Them and the Ricta clouds are the only soft wheels I’ve had that don’t chunk on super crusty surfaces

Haven't had Rictas ever but these Super Juices are so good. My first set of soft wheels too. I definitely noticed my legs didn't get as tired with these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on November 03, 2021, 08:34:11 AM
im over hard wheels honestly. 95a Natas 58mm OJ's now best wheels i have ever had. tearing up the shit ground and also skatepark. not sliding all over the place on QPs anymore. feel so much safer on these. they slide only when you want them to.

join the club! i wont ride anything over 97a anymore! love my spitfires 97a and my oj nomads 95a ive been compiling a list of wheels in that range. ive been messaging wheel companies to start making wheels in these durometers and sml and snot wheels will work on something for their next batch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Srt32srt on November 03, 2021, 08:39:26 AM
Big typo above:

My 52 Loophole actually measured 50.5

alot of my 54mm wheels actually measured 54.5mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nekro on November 04, 2021, 04:12:56 PM
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I purchased some fraudulent F4 101 Venomous Radial Slims. Typically I purchase everything from the local, but the owner said he can only get Spits in 54mm or bigger. Riding Thunders with 54s is just wheel bite, doesn't feel right.

They arrived without the typical Spitfire accoutrements. The wheels were wrapped in cellophane. After an hour of breaking them in they don't slide anything like the same wheels they replaced and felt like riding on ice. The graphics on the wheels are sloppy to boot. I know several PALs have been saying they're no longer in production, should have listened. They were bought from tgm_skateboards on eBay. Kinda bummed, but oh well.  :-\
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TGM should have known better.

Ebay does have a fake product guarantee, so you could start a claim and have a full refund.

Others I know who got sucked in had the same thing, with a full refund as a result.


Sucks that some shops and places / people who seem legit are selling crap like this.


DLX have not confirmed they are not making any more, but there have not been any Radial Slim wheels for over a year in any catalog or production information.  That is not to say that there are not still some out there - I have a couple of sets still but I don't have them in the shop now because of the limited supply.

I recently bought a set of Spitfire F4 OG Classics 54mm 97a from TGM and they feel harder than I expected.  Also, the graphics wore off pretty quick.  Although the packaging looks fine I can't help but suspect something isn't right.
I bought a set of Bones Swiss as well and the packaging looks closer to the fake product than genuine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on November 04, 2021, 04:53:50 PM
Well, they don't make og classics in 97.
Or do you the regular classics?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nekro on November 04, 2021, 05:20:02 PM
Well, they don't make og classics in 97.
Or do you the regular classics?

Yeah, I meant regular classics.  These ones:

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/classic.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 04, 2021, 06:14:20 PM
im over hard wheels honestly. 95a Natas 58mm OJ's now best wheels i have ever had. tearing up the shit ground and also skatepark. not sliding all over the place on QPs anymore. feel so much safer on these. they slide only when you want them to.

I'm the exact opposite now, especially since I'm working on all my blunt tricks again, 99s are just too soft (I need all the help I can get).

So, I'm back on 103 STFs. Lots of bubbles in the bearing seats tho, surprising.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/TY4BgyVrHtVcXSO_0lwdzRCBNPUfVjCnBxid7bDhws6ivJvdZL0v76L6aP0nwFvT2ynwI7N57sae6bi6uZj5_0xfKCUSSDrAJ6g8JsKNx698kNdcJyweH1sE89LOtAl7k2fqH6saf_Y=w2400)

Skate great tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2021, 09:42:43 PM

I recently bought a set of Spitfire F4 OG Classics 54mm 97a from TGM and they feel harder than I expected.  Also, the graphics wore off pretty quick.  Although the packaging looks fine I can't help but suspect something isn't right.
I bought a set of Bones Swiss as well and the packaging looks closer to the fake product than genuine.


The Spitfire F4 97 duro are still a hard wheel, so from skating mine on a slippery wooden ramp, they definitely still slipped out a lot more than my older 95 duro Soft D Spitfires or other softer wheels, but they worked well on a new slick feeling concrete park (which was more what I was thinking they would be good for) so I am happy.

Re Swiss from there - yeah I would definitely be suspicious of the origin of those bearings, but going by the packaging, I still have some old genuine ones from back before the fakes were out and Bones changed things to make it harder to replicate / easier to spot fake bearings.

Did you check the very detailed comparisons from the Counterfeit thread?

This post:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.msg3589712#msg3589712

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nekro on November 05, 2021, 02:10:01 AM
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I recently bought a set of Spitfire F4 OG Classics 54mm 97a from TGM and they feel harder than I expected.  Also, the graphics wore off pretty quick.  Although the packaging looks fine I can't help but suspect something isn't right.
I bought a set of Bones Swiss as well and the packaging looks closer to the fake product than genuine.
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The Spitfire F4 97 duro are still a hard wheel, so from skating mine on a slippery wooden ramp, they definitely still slipped out a lot more than my older 95 duro Soft D Spitfires or other softer wheels, but they worked well on a new slick feeling concrete park (which was more what I was thinking they would be good for) so I am happy.

Re Swiss from there - yeah I would definitely be suspicious of the origin of those bearings, but going by the packaging, I still have some old genuine ones from back before the fakes were out and Bones changed things to make it harder to replicate / easier to spot fake bearings.

Did you check the very detailed comparisons from the Counterfeit thread?

This post:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.msg3589712#msg3589712

For context on the wheels, I just started skating again after 24 years.  My last wheels were Rat Bones 97a (1996) which feel way softer.  So, perhaps some inconsistency in the durometer ratings over the years?

I did check the pics of the actual bearings when I first got them and tbh it's so close between the real and fakes in the pics it's difficult to tell.  I thought the bearings themselves looked ok but then recently I saw the pic of the packaging which made me question them again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MaXX_I-D on November 05, 2021, 11:27:25 AM
Any companies make sub 50s in at least a 101?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 05, 2021, 11:28:43 AM
Any companies make sub 50s in at least a 101?

https://www.boardycakes.com/

Snot Wheel Co. Lil'Boogers (if you can find them)
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/snot-lil-boogers-skateboard-wheels-or-glow-in-the-dark-or-45mm-246-6831398912153/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MaXX_I-D on November 05, 2021, 11:37:10 AM
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Any companies make sub 50s in at least a 101?
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https://www.boardycakes.com/
Whoa…….
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/317721027/BC+DRIP+DROPS+WEB+SHOTS+FRONT.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1300)
*nut*.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on November 05, 2021, 01:28:08 PM
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im over hard wheels honestly. 95a Natas 58mm OJ's now best wheels i have ever had. tearing up the shit ground and also skatepark. not sliding all over the place on QPs anymore. feel so much safer on these. they slide only when you want them to.
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join the club! i wont ride anything over 97a anymore! love my spitfires 97a and my oj nomads 95a ive been compiling a list of wheels in that range. ive been messaging wheel companies to start making wheels in these durometers and sml and snot wheels will work on something for their next batch.
either of you care to share more details on your experiences with the 95a OJs? been thinking about trying em for a while; currently hyped on my 97a conical f4s but there are definitely some spots around me where the asphalt is so crusty even 97s can't make em tolerable
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 05, 2021, 09:40:17 PM
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I recently bought a set of Spitfire F4 OG Classics 54mm 97a from TGM and they feel harder than I expected.  Also, the graphics wore off pretty quick.  Although the packaging looks fine I can't help but suspect something isn't right.
I bought a set of Bones Swiss as well and the packaging looks closer to the fake product than genuine.
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The Spitfire F4 97 duro are still a hard wheel, so from skating mine on a slippery wooden ramp, they definitely still slipped out a lot more than my older 95 duro Soft D Spitfires or other softer wheels, but they worked well on a new slick feeling concrete park (which was more what I was thinking they would be good for) so I am happy.

Re Swiss from there - yeah I would definitely be suspicious of the origin of those bearings, but going by the packaging, I still have some old genuine ones from back before the fakes were out and Bones changed things to make it harder to replicate / easier to spot fake bearings.

Did you check the very detailed comparisons from the Counterfeit thread?

This post:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.msg3589712#msg3589712
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For context on the wheels, I just started skating again after 24 years.  My last wheels were Rat Bones 97a (1996) which feel way softer.  So, perhaps some inconsistency in the durometer ratings over the years?


I have quite a few sets of Bones wheels (Powell actually) but yeah the 97 duro of those feel way more grippy than the Spitfire F4 97 duro wheels.

Same as the Santa Cruz / Slimeballs in 97 duro = way more grippy than Spitfires.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 05, 2021, 09:42:12 PM
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im over hard wheels honestly. 95a Natas 58mm OJ's now best wheels i have ever had. tearing up the shit ground and also skatepark. not sliding all over the place on QPs anymore. feel so much safer on these. they slide only when you want them to.
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join the club! i wont ride anything over 97a anymore! love my spitfires 97a and my oj nomads 95a ive been compiling a list of wheels in that range. ive been messaging wheel companies to start making wheels in these durometers and sml and snot wheels will work on something for their next batch.
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either of you care to share more details on your experiences with the 95a OJs? been thinking about trying em for a while; currently hyped on my 97a conical f4s but there are definitely some spots around me where the asphalt is so crusty even 97s can't make em tolerable

I also had some of the Natas 58mm 95 duro and they are big enough not to feel slow but grippy enough not to slip out on anything.

The guys that skated the board with them on wanted to buy them right there and then, so I let them, but last I talked to him, he was still loving them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on November 07, 2021, 07:05:29 PM
I need help finding some wheels. Looking for 95-97a 55-56mm black or purple wheels.

I was psyched when I found that Minilogo made a 95a 56mm black wheel, but they're out of stock everywhere except this site called SkateUSA which has really shitty reviews. Also found something by Speedlabs but it's a wonky shape designed for freestyle. Bones has a nice looking set of black wheels but they're 101a.

Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2021, 07:31:08 PM
Also came here for the soft wheel talk. 97a f4 classics are pretty dang nice, I could go softer, and for sure smaller.
Mainly just skating flatground and then transportation to and fro ‘the spot’.
Any suggestions appreciated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 07, 2021, 09:40:01 PM
I need help finding some wheels. Looking for 95-97a 55-56mm black or purple wheels.

I was psyched when I found that Minilogo made a 95a 56mm black wheel, but they're out of stock everywhere except this site called SkateUSA which has really shitty reviews. Also found something by Speedlabs but it's a wonky shape designed for freestyle. Bones has a nice looking set of black wheels but they're 101a.

Any help would be appreciated.

I thought I had seen a whole lot of Slimeballs out in about that size in 95 duro, multiple colours and all that, so see if you can find some.

A shop here in AU has them, but that doesn't help you much if you are in USA or other.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on November 08, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
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I need help finding some wheels. Looking for 95-97a 55-56mm black or purple wheels.

I was psyched when I found that Minilogo made a 95a 56mm black wheel, but they're out of stock everywhere except this site called SkateUSA which has really shitty reviews. Also found something by Speedlabs but it's a wonky shape designed for freestyle. Bones has a nice looking set of black wheels but they're 101a.

Any help would be appreciated.
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I thought I had seen a whole lot of Slimeballs out in about that size in 95 duro, multiple colours and all that, so see if you can find some.

A shop here in AU has them, but that doesn't help you much if you are in USA or other.

Slime Balls has some options but I was really looking for plain black, and they're pretty much sold out everywhere.

I just ended up ordering 2 sets of black 95a 56mm A-cut Mini Logos from SkatesUSA. Hopefully there's no issues with the seller because their online reviews are not stellar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lazyskater on November 08, 2021, 11:08:47 AM
I need help finding some wheels. Looking for 95-97a 55-56mm black or purple wheels.

I was psyched when I found that Minilogo made a 95a 56mm black wheel, but they're out of stock everywhere except this site called SkateUSA which has really shitty reviews. Also found something by Speedlabs but it's a wonky shape designed for freestyle. Bones has a nice looking set of black wheels but they're 101a.

Any help would be appreciated.

Speedlab wheels are not freestyle. Most  shapes are the same as Conicals fulls by spitfire. Good wheels as am not a spitfire fan and sometimes want some wider then bones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MxsDx on November 08, 2021, 12:55:34 PM
I just replaced a worn pair of f4 99 duro classics with 53 stf bones 99 duro V1s.  They roll fine, but they don't slide well at all.  Has anyone with experienced the same with bones?  Will they slide better once I've broken them in a bit?   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on November 08, 2021, 04:15:00 PM
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I need help finding some wheels. Looking for 95-97a 55-56mm black or purple wheels.

I was psyched when I found that Minilogo made a 95a 56mm black wheel, but they're out of stock everywhere except this site called SkateUSA which has really shitty reviews. Also found something by Speedlabs but it's a wonky shape designed for freestyle. Bones has a nice looking set of black wheels but they're 101a.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Speedlab wheels are not freestyle. Most  shapes are the same as Conicals fulls by spitfire. Good wheels as am not a spitfire fan and sometimes want some wider then bones

https://www.speedlabwheels.com/products/sirens-55mm-96a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on November 09, 2021, 02:24:32 AM
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they're 52D which is basically 103A

I know thats what the Duro says on the packaging, but i found them softer than the 99a F4s I had. I really like the Loopholes. I have the Krebs which look like someone has doodled a Scotsman on them in black biro. I like their imperfect artisan aesthetic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lo-fi Explosion on November 09, 2021, 06:46:26 AM
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Wanted to try some Loopholes since there’s going to be a new drop soon but are they all 101a?
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they're 52D which is basically 103A
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I know thats what the Duro says on the packaging, but i found them softer than the 99a F4s I had. I really like the Loopholes. I have the Krebs which look like someone has doodled a Scotsman on them in black biro. I like their imperfect artisan aesthetic.
Softer than f4 99a, but harder than bones stf 99a, got the v-shaped ones aswell as the teardrops
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Post by: MaXX_I-D on November 09, 2021, 07:14:47 AM
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Wanted to try some Loopholes since there’s going to be a new drop soon but are they all 101a?
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they're 52D which is basically 103A
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I know thats what the Duro says on the packaging, but i found them softer than the 99a F4s I had. I really like the Loopholes. I have the Krebs which look like someone has doodled a Scotsman on them in black biro. I like their imperfect artisan aesthetic.
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Softer than f4 99a, but harder than bones stf 99a, got the v-shaped ones aswell as the teardrops
I’ve liked them other than I couldn’t get them to slide(I’m about 140 so I guess lighter). F4 is still better for that I feel. I didn’t think they were softer but I was on 54s so that could be why.

I got some of the 52 Tear Drop production seconds; definitely worth $25(like $30 after shipping).
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Post by: ferraveemo on November 09, 2021, 10:44:35 AM
Out of curiosity, I bought some Welcome Orbs Spectre’s. Mainly cause they got a nice blue swirl on them. My locals priced them nice or are always on sale. Do they get better with slide over time? Like when the treads wear out? I seem to have to put more push to the crank for them to power slide but barely get any hold on the length of the slide. I’m also coming from Non-F4 OG classics Spits & Bones STF Easy Streets 99A’s. I’ve also noticed that I can’t give any wiggle space on the axel cause my bearings start popping out a little. I wanna know more about your guys’ experiences with Orbs. Can’t find them on any thread or a decent YouTube review. Other than that they feel nice on every surface. Almost like a cruiser wheel without that bounce.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on November 09, 2021, 01:54:16 PM
what's the closest wheel to bones spf's out there? oj elite formula?
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Post by: Easy Slider on November 09, 2021, 01:59:20 PM
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Any companies make sub 50s in at least a 101?
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https://www.boardycakes.com/
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Whoa…….
(https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/317721027/BC+DRIP+DROPS+WEB+SHOTS+FRONT.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=1300)
*nut*.

I am tempted by those wheels. Must. Resist.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 09, 2021, 02:29:27 PM
what's the closest wheel to bones spf's out there? oj elite formula?

It's pretty hard to compare Bones to any other wheel, especially SPFs, they're pretty unique in their feeling/performance. If we're comparing wheels by the numbers and not regarding cosmetics or performance I'd say NFGs are most comparable to the harder duro STFs, but as for SPFs I don't think there's another wheel on the market like it as far as I know
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 09, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
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what's the closest wheel to bones spf's out there? oj elite formula?
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It's pretty hard to compare Bones to any other wheel, especially SPFs, they're pretty unique in their feeling/performance. If we're comparing wheels by the numbers and not regarding cosmetics or performance I'd say NFGs are most comparable to the harder duro STFs, but as for SPFs I don't think there's another wheel on the market like it as far as I know


Yes I tend to agree.

Some other brands are super hard, but with that have all the unwanted super hard wheel issues, like flatspots on the smallest things, or slip out too easily.

Bones have had their own market for so long they are their own stand alone product.


OJs always felt no where near as hard, even the Insaneathane or whatever the name was, which was super hard, but if you pushed into one solid powerslide, you usually had a flatspot rolling away.


Another newish one being Hazard wheels which are again super hard and slippery, but just not fun to skate (for me, along with a couple of people who have tried them anyway) but that is not to say that some people will not like them.


Never had NFG here in AU, or a couple of other brands that people say are super hard, but everything else is just another one in line behind Bones or Spitfire for most people.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on November 10, 2021, 03:36:35 AM
what's the closest wheel to bones spf's out there? oj elite formula?

Tried 99a elite and 81b spfs(58&60). Both handle rough ground pretty well. The spfs are more grippy than the 99a elite. I like both
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on November 10, 2021, 06:25:23 AM
thanks for the replies, i pretty much agree that there may be nothing like them. really just looking for best options on ultra polished concrete, i like f4's but they are known to be a little slippery.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 10, 2021, 06:43:59 AM
thanks for the replies, i pretty much agree that there may be nothing like them. really just looking for best options on ultra polished concrete, i like f4's but they are known to be a little slippery.


I think I forgot to say, but there are a lot of wheels that are not as hard (but also not as fast) as Bones or Spitfire too.

Most of the second tier brands, or most other brands in general have urethane that is a bit more grippy and still rolls fine, but overall the speed is significantly less.

The only other thing that I know a lot of people forget about most other brands of wheel is that they are still almost always "treaded" or have factory grooves when new, which only takes a minute to wear off on aged raw concrete, but can be a deal breaker if you cannot wear them in easily or are only skating wood or a slippery surface.

Had a guy buy some new wheels, first run on the skatelite mini ramp and ate it so hard with his wheels slipping out.  Asked if he didn't hear me say to wear them in and said something like he didn't think they would be so bad at first.


Another reason to just be happy with Bones SPF or Spitfire F4 wheels = smooth surface and perfect right from go.


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Post by: manysnakes on November 10, 2021, 06:53:05 AM
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thanks for the replies, i pretty much agree that there may be nothing like them. really just looking for best options on ultra polished concrete, i like f4's but they are known to be a little slippery.
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Another reason to just be happy with Bones SPF or Spitfire F4 wheels = smooth surface and perfect right from go.

Honestly everything else is chasing phantoms. We are all guilty of it but there’s a reason why so many of us come back to these two types of wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: unregisteredhypercam2 on November 10, 2021, 07:34:14 AM
switched from classic 53 to conical full 54 and i cant land anything.
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Post by: Ok on November 10, 2021, 08:39:58 AM
switched from classic 53 to conical full 54 and i cant land anything.

I’m the biggest conical full hater. I wanted to be down. No. Classics only. Fulls block me on any rotational flips (so pretty much just 360 flips).
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Post by: Xen on November 10, 2021, 06:55:25 PM
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switched from classic 53 to conical full 54 and i cant land anything.
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I’m the biggest conical full hater. I wanted to be down. No. Classics only. Fulls block me on any rotational flips (so pretty much just 360 flips).

I can do the 97a, only because I have them on a bigger, non-flippy board; I can't hang with hesh sized wheels.

These days it's 103 STF V5s..the shape just works for everything. Interesting about V5s messing with flip tricks for some, but classics don't seeing as V5s are literally narrower in every aspect going size for size...and V4s being just about on par with Conical Fulls.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on November 10, 2021, 08:06:29 PM
My flips tricks really suffer on conical fulls also but the 97s are my go to winter wheel for slippery indoor wooden ramps and rugged parking garages... compromises compromises compromises
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Post by: Cthunderw on November 11, 2021, 12:29:30 AM
My flips tricks really suffer on conical fulls also but the 97s are my go to winter wheel for slippery indoor wooden ramps and rugged parking garages... compromises compromises compromises
97a classics?
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Post by: Ok on November 11, 2021, 06:00:48 AM
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My flips tricks really suffer on conical fulls also but the 97s are my go to winter wheel for slippery indoor wooden ramps and rugged parking garages... compromises compromises compromises
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97a classics?

Big fan of the 97a classics.
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Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on November 11, 2021, 06:05:53 AM
Conicals, conical fulls, v5s, and v6s just mean worse flip tricks and more coping hang-ups for me. Lose-lose

They're probably great for flatbar and rails, which I suck at so

Classics for me, been really into Bones V4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MaXX_I-D on November 11, 2021, 08:53:13 AM
Magic carpeting hella hard(8.38' deck on 8' trucks) on conical fulls helped with flips.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on November 11, 2021, 01:47:08 PM
Spit Conical Full or Conical in 52-53 is chef's kiss. Not too big or too small! 99a preferably, but 101a is also not bad after wearing them in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on November 11, 2021, 01:55:22 PM
didn't want to start a new thread for this question, and a quick search didn't turn anything up:

what's the best way to rotate wheels? i turn them inside out and just kinda mix them up occasionally, but i imagine there is a more scientific way

and on a related note: does anyone rotate their trucks? when i was younger i used to switch my front and back trucks whenever i set up a board, but it always threw me off for the first several sessions so i haven't done it in a few years.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 11, 2021, 02:06:45 PM
didn't want to start a new thread for this question, and a quick search didn't turn anything up:

what's the best way to rotate wheels? i turn them inside out and just kinda mix them up occasionally, but i imagine there is a more scientific way

and on a related note: does anyone rotate their trucks? when i was younger i used to switch my front and back trucks whenever i set up a board, but it always threw me off for the first several sessions so i haven't done it in a few years.

I'd be curious to know if there is a a proven, scientific way. When I rotate mine, I turn them inside out and move them to the opposite corners. So my rear heel side wheel swaps with my front toe side, and my rear toe side swaps with my from heel side. I've always felt like this keeps them pretty even.
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Post by: manysnakes on November 11, 2021, 02:18:39 PM
didn't want to start a new thread for this question, and a quick search didn't turn anything up:

what's the best way to rotate wheels? i turn them inside out and just kinda mix them up occasionally, but i imagine there is a more scientific way

and on a related note: does anyone rotate their trucks? when i was younger i used to switch my front and back trucks whenever i set up a board, but it always threw me off for the first several sessions so i haven't done it in a few years.

I would think it would be to pick the wheel that's most worn (typically the wheel under the toe of your front foot), and place it where the wheel that has the amount of wear is. To be most accurate, you could measure with some digital calipers and figure out where the coning is coming from.

In practice, I just take that wheel and set it aside so that I make sure it doesn't go right back where I took it from.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 11, 2021, 04:40:04 PM
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didn't want to start a new thread for this question, and a quick search didn't turn anything up:

what's the best way to rotate wheels? i turn them inside out and just kinda mix them up occasionally, but i imagine there is a more scientific way

and on a related note: does anyone rotate their trucks? when i was younger i used to switch my front and back trucks whenever i set up a board, but it always threw me off for the first several sessions so i haven't done it in a few years.
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I would think it would be to pick the wheel that's most worn (typically the wheel under the toe of your front foot), and place it where the wheel that has the amount of wear is. To be most accurate, you could measure with some digital calipers and figure out where the coning is coming from.

In practice, I just take that wheel and set it aside so that I make sure it doesn't go right back where I took it from.

Typically my smallest wheel is on the heel side of my back truck. Do you do a lot of backside powerslides?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 11, 2021, 05:37:17 PM
Any of you big wheel BALLERS feel like any spots are being unlocked?
There was this time where me and the crew were torn between trilogy and mixtape, and some were using 58s on 7.5s&#128518;&#128518;&#128518;. When you wanna be like Kareem but also Ricky. Anyways. Able to skate more stuff with the big wheel? What are the pros/cons? For me, I instantly lose what few flip tricks I have, if I go over 54. The pull of being able to skate to and fro is high tho
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Post by: backinaction on November 11, 2021, 06:08:53 PM
Any of you big wheel BALLERS feel like any spots are being unlocked?
There was this time where me and the crew were torn between trilogy and mixtape, and some were using 58s on 7.5s&#38;#128518;&#38;#128518;&#38;#128518;. When you wanna be like Kareem but also Ricky. Anyways. Able to skate more stuff with the big wheel? What are the pros/cons? For me, I instantly lose what few flip tricks I have, if I go over 54. The pull of being able to skate to and fro is high tho

My brother insists on skating pools with 60s on an 8.25, with his reasoning being that he likes the 60s but they wheelbite more on wider boards.

I can't really do more than a 56, and 54 is my happy place on an all around setup. 

I tried running 58s in transition last spring, but they needed risers.   Risers and 58s made me feel too tall and disconnected. Off they came.

I feel like i'd rather open up a spot by running a bit softer of a wheel instead of bigger.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on November 11, 2021, 06:47:03 PM
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97a classics?

not for me... they wear down too fast and don't mash through the rough stuff as well as the conical fulls. tried them last winter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 11, 2021, 08:00:11 PM
didn't want to start a new thread for this question, and a quick search didn't turn anything up:

what's the best way to rotate wheels? i turn them inside out and just kinda mix them up occasionally, but i imagine there is a more scientific way

and on a related note: does anyone rotate their trucks? when i was younger i used to switch my front and back trucks whenever i set up a board, but it always threw me off for the first several sessions so i haven't done it in a few years.


Without wanting to sound like "Mr Know it all" or fill this thread with huge volumes of text, this post regarding wheel rotation was done to help some people I know who had similar questions.

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Most commonly, the front toe will cone the most on the outer side as more weight is always put on the front edge of the board but the most overall wear is usually the back toe or both back wheels, especially if the skater can cess slide or push more into tricks, with the back heel often wearing more on the inside edge and the front heel getting the least amount of wear overall.

The best way to rotate the wheels is move the front toe to the back heel, and the front heel to the back toe positions, often marking them or taking them off one or two at a time being more effective than taking them all off.

You don't need calipers (the black measuring tool I have) but even just looking at them can get a good idea as to how worn they are, or if you see particular wear on the front toe, it is time to rotate them. Sometimes too I have turned wheels inside just to even up the wear of a single wheel, mainly the front toe.

I often use pencil to mark wheels on the riding surface that I have taken off with FT, FH, BT and BH, like this:
FT - front toe
FH - front heel
BT - back toe
BH - back heel

This might go above and beyond what most people do and some of it is pure skateboard nerdery, but it has worked well for me in keeping track of the wear and helping wheels last a whole lot longer, which I think is the main thing here, especially as I like to ride classics that have worn down some.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPuEOuslnNd/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 11, 2021, 08:04:29 PM
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didn't want to start a new thread for this question, and a quick search didn't turn anything up:

what's the best way to rotate wheels? i turn them inside out and just kinda mix them up occasionally, but i imagine there is a more scientific way

and on a related note: does anyone rotate their trucks? when i was younger i used to switch my front and back trucks whenever i set up a board, but it always threw me off for the first several sessions so i haven't done it in a few years.
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Without wanting to sound like "Mr Know it all" or fill this thread with huge volumes of text, this post regarding wheel rotation was done to help some people I know who had similar questions.

Text from post:

Most commonly, the front toe will cone the most on the outer side as more weight is always put on the front edge of the board but the most overall wear is usually the back toe or both back wheels, especially if the skater can cess slide or push more into tricks, with the back heel often wearing more on the inside edge and the front heel getting the least amount of wear overall.

The best way to rotate the wheels is move the front toe to the back heel, and the front heel to the back toe positions, often marking them or taking them off one or two at a time being more effective than taking them all off.

You don't need calipers (the black measuring tool I have) but even just looking at them can get a good idea as to how worn they are, or if you see particular wear on the front toe, it is time to rotate them. Sometimes too I have turned wheels inside just to even up the wear of a single wheel, mainly the front toe.

I often use pencil to mark wheels on the riding surface that I have taken off with FT, FH, BT and BH, like this:
FT - front toe
FH - front heel
BT - back toe
BH - back heel

This might go above and beyond what most people do and some of it is pure skateboard nerdery, but it has worked well for me in keeping track of the wear and helping wheels last a whole lot longer, which I think is the main thing here, especially as I like to ride classics that have worn down some.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPuEOuslnNd/



Good post!

I've always rotated my wheels this way and couldn't tell you how or why I know this method...my guess is trial and error from the 80s tick-tack days
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on November 11, 2021, 09:00:50 PM
Any of you big wheel BALLERS feel like any spots are being unlocked?
There was this time where me and the crew were torn between trilogy and mixtape, and some were using 58s on 7.5s&#38;#38;#38;#128518;&#38;#38;#38;#128518;&#38;#38;#38;#128518;. When you wanna be like Kareem but also Ricky. Anyways. Able to skate more stuff with the big wheel? What are the pros/cons? For me, I instantly lose what few flip tricks I have, if I go over 54. The pull of being able to skate to and fro is high tho

I just stepped up to 55 with my last few sets of wheels being 54 and initially I felt like I lost all my flips so I just kinda focused on ledge tricks. Now though I would never go back; the speed and the taller feeling definitely makes it so my skating is less precise and sometimes hard to control (especially when im warming up) but I've never had fs flips, bs flips, reg/sw heelflips feel this good and poppy, not to mention the lock-in I get on 180 pinch tricks and long 5050s/5-0s

edit: The wheels I was skating before were SML V-Cuts and the 55s now are Spitfire F4 OG classics. Not much different in terms of shape and weight at first
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 11, 2021, 10:03:47 PM
Are satori wheels any good? Been skating formula fours for a few years now, want to try something completely different.
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Post by: superleftswipebby on November 12, 2021, 05:59:13 AM
zach allen just posted a photo of kader’s 57mm radial fulls. hopefully that’ll hit the market soon. that shape is dope 
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Post by: white guy in a durag on November 12, 2021, 08:08:10 AM
zach allen just posted a photo of kader’s 57mm radial fulls. hopefully that’ll hit the market soon. that shape is dope
So hyped on these. thank you Kader for helping the youth see the light of big wheels.

pic of the post for reference:
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Post by: commie on November 12, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
I got some OJ 95A 56mm Nomads for transition/indoor skatepark. These are still not grippy enough for "gatorskins". At least I was slipping out skating a 5ft mini. I also got Acid 86A 53mm and these do grip very well, but reverts are not easy. I was also getting stuck on crooks and smiths on a box. The sweet spot for indoor parks is probably in the low 90s.
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Post by: Landmine on November 12, 2021, 11:46:59 AM
I grabbed some 54 92A Ricta Clouds today for the ditch setup.  I'm trying to run smaller wheels (smaller than 60mm I mean) and not use risers, so I figured these were worth trying.  A quick run through a few parking lots has them feeling like a nice compromise, but I'm not entirely sold on the size yet.  We'll see this weekend how I like them when I have more time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 13, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
Super naive question, what wheels/durometer/wheel size and riding surface/etc. are best for slippery wooden mini ramps and indoor concrete? I know that kind of surface will be slippery no matter what, and if I was better at skating it wouldn’t matter, but I’m not.

Kind of thinking that 97-99A wheels with a bit bigger surface like conical fulls will grip the ground better and will be the most stable. Any insights are greatly welcomed
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Post by: white guy in a durag on November 13, 2021, 03:39:42 PM
A wider contact patch will help somewhat, but I feel like durometer is the bigger factor with slippery ground. I'd personally recommend a spitfire 97a if you want to keep more of the modern wheel feel, but I really like the way my 97a slime balls feel as well.
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Post by: bombsaway86 on November 13, 2021, 04:46:07 PM
95a-97a durometer is nice for slick stuff. Maybe go up in size a little since the softer durometer slows it down. OJ and Speedlab have a good selection of wheels in this range.
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Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 13, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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Post by: fakie varial flip on November 13, 2021, 06:51:30 PM
Would it be absolutely stupid to buy the 58mm OJ natas 95a hardlines? Entering crusty ground/wooden skatepark winter season i'm looking for something better than my 55mm OG classics. I like bigger, fatter wheels. I've only skated bones and spitfire in the last 10 years so I have no idea if OJ is worth it or not.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 13, 2021, 07:03:10 PM
Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.


I feel like 97 are not grippy enough for really slippery ramps, so something more like 95 work best, as per comment below, but the 97 duro Spitfire F4 56mm classics I have are really good on just slightly slippery surfaces.  Some of the guys I skate with always ride the older bigger OJs or Slimeballs in more 60-61mm size in 95 or 97 and those things are amazing, but many people don't want wheels quite that big.


Would it be absolutely stupid to buy the 58mm OJ natas 95a hardlines? Entering crusty ground/wooden skatepark winter season i'm looking for something better than my 55mm OG classics. I like bigger, fatter wheels. I've only skated bones and spitfire in the last 10 years so I have no idea if OJ is worth it or not.

I got some (more so for others who wanted grippy / softer wheels) and they would be perfect for that sort of situation, after having a skate on their boards.

Anything a little more on the softer and bigger side is ideal for me, so although they are not quite as fast as other wheels of 99 to 101 duro, they don't slip out and the slightly bigger size means they hold up better than smaller wheels.


Pretty much all the slippery ramps / parks I skated were more often on setups that had either 95 duro or even 92 duro Spitfires in the Soft D range, which you cannot get anymore, but there are other wheels out that are about the same.

The 92 duro are definitely way slower, but around 95 might be the easiest combination of not too soft / slow but not too slippery / sticky on that sort of surface.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fakie varial flip on November 13, 2021, 07:27:12 PM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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I feel like 97 are not grippy enough for really slippery ramps, so something more like 95 work best, as per comment below, but the 97 duro Spitfire F4 56mm classics I have are really good on just slightly slippery surfaces.  Some of the guys I skate with always ride the older bigger OJs or Slimeballs in more 60-61mm size in 95 or 97 and those things are amazing, but many people don't want wheels quite that big.


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Would it be absolutely stupid to buy the 58mm OJ natas 95a hardlines? Entering crusty ground/wooden skatepark winter season i'm looking for something better than my 55mm OG classics. I like bigger, fatter wheels. I've only skated bones and spitfire in the last 10 years so I have no idea if OJ is worth it or not.
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I got some (more so for others who wanted grippy / softer wheels) and they would be perfect for that sort of situation, after having a skate on their boards.

Anything a little more on the softer and bigger side is ideal for me, so although they are not quite as fast as other wheels of 99 to 101 duro, they don't slip out and the slightly bigger size means they hold up better than smaller wheels.


Pretty much all the slippery ramps / parks I skated were more often on setups that had either 95 duro or even 92 duro Spitfires in the Soft D range, which you cannot get anymore, but there are other wheels out that are about the same.

The 92 duro are definitely way slower, but around 95 might be the easiest combination of not too soft / slow but not too slippery / sticky on that sort of surface.

What an awesone post, thanks for your help! Definitely gonna grab those fatties now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 13, 2021, 10:46:42 PM
Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.

https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 13, 2021, 10:57:59 PM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 14, 2021, 07:41:33 AM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels

Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
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Post by: thanksgiving on November 14, 2021, 07:30:38 PM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on November 15, 2021, 05:28:38 AM
Are loophole good wheels?
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 15, 2021, 05:36:04 AM
Are loophole good wheels?
yes! Get some 56mm v-cuts
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Post by: white guy in a durag on November 15, 2021, 07:10:30 AM
Yeah, they're pretty excellent. They stand toe to toe with F4 and STFs.
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Post by: iw0 on November 15, 2021, 07:11:57 AM
speaking of loophole, anyone have recent-ish experience or i guess any experience with the square shape? i've stuck to vcut, but for some reason squares have me curious
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 15, 2021, 07:23:45 AM
speaking of loophole, anyone have recent-ish experience or i guess any experience with the square shape? i've stuck to vcut, but for some reason squares have me curious
want the square 54s; currently on 56 v-cuts and 52 teardrops on my “tech” deck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: juniormint on November 15, 2021, 07:47:44 AM
speaking of loophole, anyone have recent-ish experience or i guess any experience with the square shape? i've stuck to vcut, but for some reason squares have me curious

I had the 54 squares. They were good and pretty comparable to a spit radial slim. Lock in was nice, but still relatively rounded. Didn’t enjoy them as much as the teardrop shape though, they seemed stickier and a little less consistent on the slide for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 15, 2021, 04:20:38 PM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....


Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on November 15, 2021, 04:36:14 PM
No more 97a F4s or 58mm conical fulls?
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Post by: Landmine on November 15, 2021, 09:04:22 PM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....
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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.

Tactics has em for us US folks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on November 16, 2021, 05:51:40 AM
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yes! Get some 56mm v-cuts
I helped get them in my shop so I could get a pair. To show their thanks they are going to send me a little box. I'm stoked. I'm getting the 54 mm conical shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2021, 05:54:22 AM
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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.
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Tactics has em for us US folks

Damn, 24 sets still showing in stock, which is pretty cool.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels/natural-teal-97d


I might have been mistaken, as I rechecked the catalog so it might be the 56mm that is no longer being made, with the 54 and 58 being the standard lines.

People are still wanting the old 58mm conical full wheels in 99 too, but I don't think they will be coming back any time soon.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 16, 2021, 06:39:24 AM
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yes! Get some 56mm v-cuts
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I helped get them in my shop so I could get a pair. To show their thanks they are going to send me a little box. I'm stoked. I'm getting the 54 mm conical shape.
oh yeah! You’ll be stoked on them, I’m sure
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Post by: manysnakes on November 16, 2021, 06:42:12 AM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....
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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.

Why do you say that? Do you mean no more 58s, or no more 97s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 16, 2021, 06:49:47 AM
I got a pair of 58 97s for my wife’s board actually, feel really great on crusty surfaces
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Post by: roba on November 16, 2021, 07:13:35 AM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....
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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.
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Why do you say that? Do you mean no more 58s, or no more 97s?

no 97s in the spring 22 dlx catalog, bummer. i'd post it up but the link has expired. there's a new shape though, radial full.

(https://i.imgur.com/H2GPYU9_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on November 16, 2021, 07:54:29 AM
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yes! Get some 56mm v-cuts
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I helped get them in my shop so I could get a pair. To show their thanks they are going to send me a little box. I'm stoked. I'm getting the 54 mm conical shape.
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oh yeah! You’ll be stoked on them, I’m sure
Thanks for the response. I look forward to getting them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 16, 2021, 08:58:11 AM
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speaking of loophole, anyone have recent-ish experience or i guess any experience with the square shape? i've stuck to vcut, but for some reason squares have me curious
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want the square 54s; currently on 56 v-cuts and 52 teardrops on my “tech” deck


it appears nfg has 54 squares on sale &#129300;
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Post by: Xen on November 16, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....
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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.
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Why do you say that? Do you mean no more 58s, or no more 97s?
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no 97s in the spring 22 dlx catalog, bummer. i'd post it up but the link has expired. there's a new shape though, radial full.

(https://i.imgur.com/H2GPYU9_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

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Weird, Radials are fat as it is...size for size they are on par with Conical Fulls but with a narrower contact patch...I guess people want wider than that? I never thought of Radials to be a big seller, it's the Classic Fulls people seem to want...but I get the radial shape sits in between Classics and Conicals.

New drops of Radial Slims are still nowhere to be found but they're still listed...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 16, 2021, 11:27:27 AM
God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2021, 04:14:54 PM
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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.
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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.
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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels
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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different
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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....
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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.
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Why do you say that? Do you mean no more 58s, or no more 97s?


Sorry for any confusion.

Actually no more 56mm in the 97 conical full.

There are still the 54 and 58 conical full and the 53, 54 and 56 classic shape in 97 duro.


Also just because a product is not in a specific drop (eg Spring 22) doesn't mean it is not in the standard lines that are still being carried.

I think there is enough interest in 97 duro to keep them around for a while longer.


* Edit: added my other post from previous page too.


Damn, 24 sets still showing in stock, which is pretty cool.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels/natural-teal-97d


I might have been mistaken, as I rechecked the catalog so it might be the 56mm that is no longer being made, with the 54 and 58 being the standard lines.

People are still wanting the old 58mm conical full wheels in 99 too, but I don't think they will be coming back any time soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 16, 2021, 09:29:56 PM
God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out

Kaders new pro wheel should be out any day now, 57 and 60mm radial full 99a. Were prebooked for Fall 21 and have yet to arrive, going to contact the rep tomorrow about a status update. Natural with a green spitfire bighead logo on them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 17, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
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God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out
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Kaders new pro wheel should be out any day now, 57 and 60mm radial full 99a. Were prebooked for Fall 21 and have yet to arrive, going to contact the rep tomorrow about a status update. Natural with a green spitfire bighead logo on them.


Spitfire thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3682088#msg3682088


Seems some places already have them, trust Zumiez to already be in on that one (big buying power getting the first look in) but a few other places are already sold out online, so who knows when the rest will drop.

I was almost wondering if his sponsor hopping had dampened the enthusiasm to get his wheel out, as there had been no mention of it anywhere after the shop catalog, then a few people (team riders) and shops have them, so maybe more will be out soon enough, or who knows what is going on.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 18, 2021, 12:27:12 AM
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God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out
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Kaders new pro wheel should be out any day now, 57 and 60mm radial full 99a. Were prebooked for Fall 21 and have yet to arrive, going to contact the rep tomorrow about a status update. Natural with a green spitfire bighead logo on them.
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Spitfire thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3682088#msg3682088


Seems some places already have them, trust Zumiez to already be in on that one (big buying power getting the first look in) but a few other places are already sold out online, so who knows when the rest will drop.

I was almost wondering if his sponsor hopping had dampened the enthusiasm to get his wheel out, as there had been no mention of it anywhere after the shop catalog, then a few people (team riders) and shops have them, so maybe more will be out soon enough, or who knows what is going on.
Also worth keeping in mind some stores put products up before their release to generate clicks + boost SEO. I would bet any store that says out of stock has just made the product on their site and is waiting for it to come in. Can't wait to pick a set of these up for the slappy setup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on November 18, 2021, 12:51:27 AM
I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 18, 2021, 03:04:11 AM

Also worth keeping in mind some stores put products up before their release to generate clicks + boost SEO. I would bet any store that says out of stock has just made the product on their site and is waiting for it to come in. Can't wait to pick a set of these up for the slappy setup.


Yeah I kind of wonder about release dates, but we don't really have any of that here in Australia.  If stock is in, then it goes up right away, but especially if something is super limited, it wouldn't even be listed and just bought through those who know in the shop, etc.

Re "Not in stock but list it anyway" thought - a curious one too.  But also in saying that, I know some things that did get listed were sold out in seconds from when the shop email went out, which was nuts, to say the least.

Hopefully your place gets them soon enough (or any at all) so you can get on them.



I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.


I had to recheck the Oski Lurpiv truck thread, then realised it was you asking for them there.

The 56mm coming out soon enough would be a good option though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on November 18, 2021, 05:08:25 AM
The 56mm coming out soon enough would be a good option though.

Yes it was me. Not really stoked about the Radial Fulls. The Radials hit that sweet spot between the fat conical fulls and narrow ride patch classics. A Radial full would simply be too much on the conical full side of things for me (do we even know the dimensions? i assume it would be a radial with a wider ride patch). If it's not the Radials, it will have to be the classics I guess.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 18, 2021, 01:14:02 PM
I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.
My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on November 18, 2021, 02:11:13 PM
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My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!
AFAIK those were 53, 54 and 56 only. Lots of deals on them though and the 56s were natural color but that size may be sold through by now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hazesack on November 18, 2021, 02:33:36 PM
i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 18, 2021, 04:53:24 PM
i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?


some might say to go for the 95 nfg v-cut (you are in germany which might limit you i'm guessing) but the 56's feel just fine on crusty ground for me. i have them on a curb board, specifically the 56's, and 3 sets of 54's on other decks. love the way the v-cuts handle and have 0 complaints. hth!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 18, 2021, 05:34:13 PM
i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?
sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 18, 2021, 06:07:15 PM
i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?
I’ve ridden v-cuts on a polar surf and it is probably the most fun board I’ve ridden in the last 10 years, highly recommended! Currently have them on a passport spade shape which is very similar to surf anyway:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CS3ueR5FKa2/?utm_medium=copy_link
Always puts a massive smile on my dial when I’m riding it!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hazesack on November 19, 2021, 01:25:57 AM
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i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?
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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?

I have the Surf jr. with wheel wells I think it works, but initially I ordered risers as well. Didn’t ride it in a while though.

Damn the PassPort Deck is a beauty. That’s why I really want to give the Polar a go, as my normal deck is a twin tail

Thanks guys I might need to see if there is a possibility to order 95s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2021, 02:37:48 AM
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My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!
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AFAIK those were 53, 54 and 56 only. Lots of deals on them though and the 56s were natural color but that size may be sold through by now.


I started to reply here, then relocated my reply into the Spitfire wheels thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.3720





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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?
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I have the Surf jr. with wheel wells I think it works, but initially I ordered risers as well. Didn’t ride it in a while though.

Damn the PassPort Deck is a beauty. That’s why I really want to give the Polar a go, as my normal deck is a twin tail

Thanks guys I might need to see if there is a possibility to order 95s


I feel like any board with wheel wells makes such a big difference on looser trucks and or bigger wheels, with it giving the board an average of 1/8 to 1/4" extra turning (which is a significant amount).

Been building some cruisers and enjoy the feeling of not having such tall risers on them, with loose trucks and big soft wheels, that is almost a recipe for disaster, but by using an angle grinder and making wheel wells in a couple of boards, I can get away with almost no riser, or at the most a 1/8" riser which allows the board to still feel normal and not super tall.

Normal wheels are not as bad as soft wheels of the same size, but I still get a little wheelbite on Indy standard 55mm tall trucks and normal 60mm Spitfire wheels, so I often have a very minimal riser in there (1mm home made rubber cut out) but if you don't have loose trucks, you can get away with a lot more.

Vert guys I knew often rode big wheels and no risers and never got wheelbite, but they had pretty tight trucks too.


I guess it just comes down to how much you like to turn, as well as what you can get away with in terms of the board concave - steeper side rails will allow more turn, wider trucks so the wheels are not as close to the deck, or check where the wheels touch and carve a bit out of the board with a grinder, sander or whatever you have at hand.  It should not weaken the deck at all and definitely allow for a lot more turn.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 19, 2021, 06:49:04 AM
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i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?
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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?

How big are you? I am skating mine (the Paul Grund version with no wheel wells) with 60mm classics on Ace 44s (stock) with just the 1/16" shock pad. I'm around 200lbs and I am not getting any noticeable bite, so if you're lighter you could do no risers (at least with Aces).

I also tried it with Venture 5.8s and Indy 149s. No bite on the Ventures (no risers) until I replaced the top washer. Indys bit a lot, but I also didn't swap the bushings and stock Indys are way too soft for me. Actually going to try it again today but with Bones hard bushings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on November 19, 2021, 08:24:58 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/3FfDHL9/IMG-20211117-140038.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3FfDHL9)
I'm going to try these out either today after work or tomorrow on my day off. These are the 54mm v cuts I think? They are a very good looking wide wheel. Can't wait to skate them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on November 19, 2021, 09:11:48 AM
What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 19, 2021, 09:21:16 AM
What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?
Yeah, they're a different thing. First off, the V shape is what the og classic should have been. It's a bulldozer in the best way--plows over anything, and fast. In my experience, the urethane almost feels like a hybrid of the 99 and 101 spit fires. It has the easy, almost icy, slide of the 101, but it handles the crust and grips the ground like a 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hazesack on November 19, 2021, 10:32:57 AM
i have only started skating back in march again after 15 years off the board and was lurking SLAP to long, got fully addicted with the madness. I think i need those Loopholes and maybe throw some Bones Hards in there.
(https://i.ibb.co/smFrqLN/IMG-1710.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 19, 2021, 01:49:58 PM
What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?

They're made in the bay by actual skaters who go and ride the wheels after they clock out. The guy who runs the manufacturing side of Loophole also skates and has been for 30+ years, has a physical chemistry doctorate with a focus in polymers (polyurethane is an organic polymer), and has much more strict control on the process than he did when he was the chemist over at Pointech (Spitfire).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 19, 2021, 02:46:34 PM
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i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?
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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?
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How big are you? I am skating mine (the Paul Grund version with no wheel wells) with 60mm classics on Ace 44s (stock) with just the 1/16" shock pad. I'm around 200lbs and I am not getting any noticeable bite, so if you're lighter you could do no risers (at least with Aces).

I also tried it with Venture 5.8s and Indy 149s. No bite on the Ventures (no risers) until I replaced the top washer. Indys bit a lot, but I also didn't swap the bushings and stock Indys are way too soft for me. Actually going to try it again today but with Bones hard bushings.
i have the wheel well mt fuji one and am like 150lbs with loose aces. going to be setting up 44 af1s though so i don’t think the wheels will even benefit from the wheel wells all that much as they are closer to the middle. thanks for the in depth response... i think i just have to go skate and eat shit or not eat shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on November 19, 2021, 06:50:11 PM
Kinda “need” to get some new wheels, but just can’t pull the trigger. Preferred local shop doesn’t have anything I’m into and isn’t restocking until spring. Bitterly regretting not getting some 56mm 97a conical fulls. I’ve got some unridden 54mm conical fulls and slime balls, but they’re essentially the same as the worn down 56’s I’m riding now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fakie varial flip on November 19, 2021, 07:24:08 PM
Is a large but slim wheel faster than a smaller but wide wheel? Say, for instance, you have a 60mm spit classic and a 54mm spit conical full in the same duro. Which would be faster?

I'm partially wondering why my 55mm 99a spit og classics feel slow on crust. Part of me knows I need to go down in durometer but this size issue is going to drive me crazy and I can't conceptualize what shape I need to get...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jimgrude on November 19, 2021, 07:34:45 PM
Is a large but slim wheel faster than a smaller but wide wheel? Say, for instance, you have a 60mm spit classic and a 54mm spit conical full in the same duro. Which would be faster?

I'm partially wondering why my 55mm 99a spit og classics feel slow on crust. Part of me knows I need to go down in durometer but this size issue is going to drive me crazy and I can't conceptualize what shape I need to get...

Generally, I'd say that diameter is more important for speed as long as you're on very smooth ground. For crust, however, a wide contact patch is the most important variable to get speed. A small, hard wheel will always vibrate a lot, but still roll fast if it's wide enough.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fakie varial flip on November 19, 2021, 07:44:20 PM
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Is a large but slim wheel faster than a smaller but wide wheel? Say, for instance, you have a 60mm spit classic and a 54mm spit conical full in the same duro. Which would be faster?

I'm partially wondering why my 55mm 99a spit og classics feel slow on crust. Part of me knows I need to go down in durometer but this size issue is going to drive me crazy and I can't conceptualize what shape I need to get...
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Generally, I'd say that diameter is more important for speed as long as you're on very smooth ground. For crust, however, a wide contact patch is the most important variable to get speed. A small, hard wheel will always vibrate a lot, but still roll fast if it's wide enough.

Ok - so in this case a conical full in 97a would be faster than my 99a og classics, I imagine, especially if I go up in size. Was thinking about trying 97a classics but it sounds like I should stick with conical or cubic shapes for the winter then. Thank you!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 24, 2021, 11:19:26 AM
Seriously tempted to get these wood roller skate wheels just for shits and giggles. I would imagine they'll skate like shit, but I'm already getting trucks from them for a Polarizer-esque setup I'm planning out, so I might as well get these too. They're 50mm x 32mm.
(https://cdn3.volusion.com/ctmfx.jzxnz/v/vspfiles/photos/ww-3T.jpg)
https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/ww.htm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on November 24, 2021, 06:16:46 PM
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zach allen just posted a photo of kader’s 57mm radial fulls. hopefully that’ll hit the market soon. that shape is dope
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So hyped on these. thank you Kader for helping the youth see the light of big wheels.

pic of the post for reference:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/908749835077828628/Screenshot_20211112-165227_Instagram.jpg)

Speaking of Kader, he’s got a sick little promo going for those wheels. Not too many skaters with signature weed products? Or are there?
(https://i.ibb.co/5Fr8WfB/76016-E21-A5-A7-43-FC-983-E-50-C48160-BAC7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6BHPRfg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: superleftswipebby on November 24, 2021, 07:59:45 PM
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zach allen just posted a photo of kader’s 57mm radial fulls. hopefully that’ll hit the market soon. that shape is dope
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So hyped on these. thank you Kader for helping the youth see the light of big wheels.

pic of the post for reference:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/908749835077828628/Screenshot_20211112-165227_Instagram.jpg)
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Speaking of Kader, he’s got a sick little promo going for those wheels. Not too many skaters with signature weed products? Or are there?
(https://i.ibb.co/5Fr8WfB/76016-E21-A5-A7-43-FC-983-E-50-C48160-BAC7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6BHPRfg)

holy shit them 60s look wide af
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on November 25, 2021, 07:58:19 PM
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What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?
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Yeah, they're a different thing. First off, the V shape is what the og classic should have been. It's a bulldozer in the best way--plows over anything, and fast. In my experience, the urethane almost feels like a hybrid of the 99 and 101 spit fires. It has the easy, almost icy, slide of the 101, but it handles the crust and grips the ground like a 99.


Second this
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on November 25, 2021, 11:25:44 PM
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OJ From Concentrate Hardlines
Pros: they were on sale for $15
Cons: they definitely skate like a $15 wheel

Some lucky/unlucky kid is going to get a new set of wheels for free tomorrow. Right out of the package they felt oddly soft, but still hard, somehow. They didn’t seem to want to roll and felt like I was riding across sticky ground at each of the three spots I skated. They didn’t seem to grip that well when I powerslid. They seem to be a low rebound wheel. After 23 years of skating I learned the importance, and the meaning of, “rebound”. I hadn’t skated a non-premium wheel since the Spitfire F1 came out over a decade ago. Lesson learned that I should’ve checked this thread before trying something new out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 26, 2021, 03:35:24 AM

OJ From Concentrate Hardlines
Pros: they were on sale for $15
Cons: they definitely skate like a $15 wheel

Some lucky/unlucky kid is going to get a new set of wheels for free tomorrow. Right out of the package they felt oddly soft, but still hard, somehow. They didn’t seem to want to roll and felt like I was riding across sticky ground at each of the three spots I skated. They didn’t seem to grip that well when I powerslid. They seem to be a low rebound wheel. After 23 years of skating I learned the importance, and the meaning of, “rebound”. I hadn’t skated a non-premium wheel since the Spitfire F1 came out over a decade ago. Lesson learned that I should’ve checked this thread before trying something new out


Damn that is a pain.

Were all three places on similar ground surface, bitumen, concrete, other?

I know when someone asks about a cheaper wheel, I often try to steer them away from the cheapies like this, but they still have a place in the market for juniors or beginners, with even some others I know who like them, but as you said, the board I had a roll on with them just felt weird, more than anything, but most wheels that are not Spitfire F4 seem to feel like that, a hard wheel that is not so fast but that also doesn't slide and grips a lot.

Perfect for kids though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sketchyrider on November 26, 2021, 07:43:47 AM
price point wheels are always a downer. they are fine for an extra dork around setup or for a beginner.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on November 26, 2021, 10:51:03 AM
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OJ From Concentrate Hardlines
Pros: they were on sale for $15
Cons: they definitely skate like a $15 wheel

Some lucky/unlucky kid is going to get a new set of wheels for free tomorrow. Right out of the package they felt oddly soft, but still hard, somehow. They didn’t seem to want to roll and felt like I was riding across sticky ground at each of the three spots I skated. They didn’t seem to grip that well when I powerslid. They seem to be a low rebound wheel. After 23 years of skating I learned the importance, and the meaning of, “rebound”. I hadn’t skated a non-premium wheel since the Spitfire F1 came out over a decade ago. Lesson learned that I should’ve checked this thread before trying something new out
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Damn that is a pain.

Were all three places on similar ground surface, bitumen, concrete, other?

I know when someone asks about a cheaper wheel, I often try to steer them away from the cheapies like this, but they still have a place in the market for juniors or beginners, with even some others I know who like them, but as you said, the board I had a roll on with them just felt weird, more than anything, but most wheels that are not Spitfire F4 seem to feel like that, a hard wheel that is not so fast but that also doesn't slide and grips a lot.

Perfect for kids though.
asphalt parking lot, sealcoated asphalt, and concrete street. I’m not going to waste my time and pretend to like them. I’ll just leave them at the skatepark
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on November 26, 2021, 12:38:59 PM
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OJ From Concentrate Hardlines
Pros: they were on sale for $15
Cons: they definitely skate like a $15 wheel

Some lucky/unlucky kid is going to get a new set of wheels for free tomorrow. Right out of the package they felt oddly soft, but still hard, somehow. They didn’t seem to want to roll and felt like I was riding across sticky ground at each of the three spots I skated. They didn’t seem to grip that well when I powerslid. They seem to be a low rebound wheel. After 23 years of skating I learned the importance, and the meaning of, “rebound”. I hadn’t skated a non-premium wheel since the Spitfire F1 came out over a decade ago. Lesson learned that I should’ve checked this thread before trying something new out
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Damn that is a pain.

Were all three places on similar ground surface, bitumen, concrete, other?

I know when someone asks about a cheaper wheel, I often try to steer them away from the cheapies like this, but they still have a place in the market for juniors or beginners, with even some others I know who like them, but as you said, the board I had a roll on with them just felt weird, more than anything, but most wheels that are not Spitfire F4 seem to feel like that, a hard wheel that is not so fast but that also doesn't slide and grips a lot.

Perfect for kids though.
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asphalt parking lot, sealcoated asphalt, and concrete street. I’m not going to waste my time and pretend to like them. I’ll just leave them at the skatepark

Notice when you drop your board down there is no bounce up to your feet. Thud.

The OJ wheels I had were almost dry feeling.

They felt harder than 99a but slower than 99a.

After a few sessions you feel almost every imperfection in the wheel.

OJ regular formulas are the closest wheel you can get to clay wheels.

I am sure their Nomads are better but I can’t buy any wheels from NHS when they produce such terrible wheels knowing they suck.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on November 26, 2021, 05:56:22 PM
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OJ From Concentrate Hardlines
Pros: they were on sale for $15
Cons: they definitely skate like a $15 wheel

Some lucky/unlucky kid is going to get a new set of wheels for free tomorrow. Right out of the package they felt oddly soft, but still hard, somehow. They didn’t seem to want to roll and felt like I was riding across sticky ground at each of the three spots I skated. They didn’t seem to grip that well when I powerslid. They seem to be a low rebound wheel. After 23 years of skating I learned the importance, and the meaning of, “rebound”. I hadn’t skated a non-premium wheel since the Spitfire F1 came out over a decade ago. Lesson learned that I should’ve checked this thread before trying something new out
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Damn that is a pain.

Were all three places on similar ground surface, bitumen, concrete, other?

I know when someone asks about a cheaper wheel, I often try to steer them away from the cheapies like this, but they still have a place in the market for juniors or beginners, with even some others I know who like them, but as you said, the board I had a roll on with them just felt weird, more than anything, but most wheels that are not Spitfire F4 seem to feel like that, a hard wheel that is not so fast but that also doesn't slide and grips a lot.

Perfect for kids though.
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asphalt parking lot, sealcoated asphalt, and concrete street. I’m not going to waste my time and pretend to like them. I’ll just leave them at the skatepark
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Notice when you drop your board down there is no bounce up to your feet. Thud.

The OJ wheels I had were almost dry feeling.

They felt harder than 99a but slower than 99a.

After a few sessions you feel almost every imperfection in the wheel.

OJ regular formulas are the closest wheel you can get to clay wheels.

I am sure their Nomads are better but I can’t buy any wheels from NHS when they produce such terrible wheels knowing they suck.
The Elite formula is pretty good. The Juice line and keyframes are all good for cruiser wheels. I usually stay far away from NHS in general, but OJ’s marketing got to me. I’m tempted to give NFG’s a try just to try something different
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 26, 2021, 06:40:21 PM
Nfg, loophole, formula 4…similar?
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Post by: iw0 on November 26, 2021, 07:15:16 PM
Nfg, loophole, formula 4 similar?

loophole & nfg are the same, but this really sums up the comparison to f4

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What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?
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Yeah, they're a different thing. First off, the V shape is what the og classic should have been. It's a bulldozer in the best way--plows over anything, and fast. In my experience, the urethane almost feels like a hybrid of the 99 and 101 spit fires. It has the easy, almost icy, slide of the 101, but it handles the crust and grips the ground like a 99.

that being said, i really enjoy them, but if you're looking for more grip try their 95a which i also endorse
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 26, 2021, 07:47:15 PM
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Nfg, loophole, formula 4 similar?
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loophole & nfg are the same, but this really sums up the comparison to f4

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Yeah, they're a different thing. First off, the V shape is what the og classic should have been. It's a bulldozer in the best way--plows over anything, and fast. In my experience, the urethane almost feels like a hybrid of the 99 and 101 spit fires. It has the easy, almost icy, slide of the 101, but it handles the crust and grips the ground like a 99.
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that being said, i really enjoy them, but if you're looking for more grip try their 95a which i also endorse

Thank you

I’m looking for wheels that unlock absolutely shit roads, but still feel like skateboard wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on November 27, 2021, 05:35:26 AM
So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Urtripping on November 27, 2021, 06:06:30 AM
So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.

You can find the big 58mm 97a conical full at skateshops right now and probably on sale somewhere, those are sure to beat the crust. They make a 54mm conical full as well. Check the sale thread!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 27, 2021, 06:13:29 AM
So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.

Same area of the world. Yes the ground is not ideal.
97a classics are in the rotation.
I have what I can only describe as an irrational urge, to buy og classics in the original formula.
F4s are just so good. They all last forever, but end up looking like baked potatoes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 27, 2021, 07:26:56 AM
So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.


I seem to recall reading about some unhappiness a while back regarding Road Crew getting a whole lot of wheels from NFG (makers of Loophole) and then not paying them or something, so they are definitely not getting any more NFG wheels any time soon.

The most recent Road Crew wheels were said to be from Creative Urethane (same as many other mid range brands - decent wheels, but definitely not NFG / Spitfire F4 / Bones type of things) but again that is only from reading things on here and hearing what others have been saying, along with looking at some detailed pics of the wheels, earlier NFG for sure, but more recently definitely not, those ones looking much more white and of the same consistency as others who use Creative for their wheels.


In saying that, Road Crew have made a few really interesting shapes and sizes, some much like the Slimeballs / Mini Cubics as well as all the more common shapes and sizes.

Worth looking up anyway.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 27, 2021, 11:57:58 AM
So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.

Black Market has the 60mm V cut Road Crew wheels for $10 a set right now. Saw them the other day and thought they looked like NFG/Loophole wheels

https://www.blackmarketskates.com/road-crew-wheels-60mm.html
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 27, 2021, 12:18:14 PM
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So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.
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I seem to recall reading about some unhappiness a while back regarding Road Crew getting a whole lot of wheels from NFG (makers of Loophole) and then not paying them or something, so they are definitely not getting any more NFG wheels any time soon.

The most recent Road Crew wheels were said to be from Creative Urethane (same as many other mid range brands - decent wheels, but definitely not NFG / Spitfire F4 / Bones type of things) but again that is only from reading things on here and hearing what others have been saying, along with looking at some detailed pics of the wheels, earlier NFG for sure, but more recently definitely not, those ones looking much more white and of the same consistency as others who use Creative for their wheels.


In saying that, Road Crew have made a few really interesting shapes and sizes, some much like the Slimeballs / Mini Cubics as well as all the more common shapes and sizes.

Worth looking up anyway.

This is correct. Around the time NFG was starting up, Road Crew ordered a bunch of wheels from them. You guys may remember that the early NFGs had issues with keeping the color consistent, as well as they were dealing with excessive bubbles, which they’ve gotten a lot better at over time. Anyways, the Road Crew guys were not happy with how the wheels they ordered looked, so they basically demanded in an aggressive, in-your-face, bullying manner to The Wizard’s business partner who was at their shop at the time that they take them and not pay for them. The Wizard told them to fuck off over the phone, but after he hung up The Wizard’s business partner, who was apparently fearing for his safety, caved and let them walk off with the wheels at a pretty unreasonable discount behind The Wizard’s back. I can’t remember the numbers but it wasn’t nearly enough for NFG to turn a profit on them. From what I’ve heard since then those Road Crew NFGs eventually became Scram wheels as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on November 27, 2021, 02:24:21 PM
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So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.
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Black Market has the 60mm V cut Road Crew wheels for $10 a set right now. Saw them the other day and thought they looked like NFG/Loophole wheels

https://www.blackmarketskates.com/road-crew-wheels-60mm.html


Thanks for posting that link, used their black friday code on their banner and got those for $8.50/$17 shipped. I have the 60mm V Cut in the 95a and love them, been curious about the standard NFG/Loophole formula and this deal was too good to pass up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MichaelJacksonsGhost on November 27, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
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So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.
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Black Market has the 60mm V cut Road Crew wheels for $10 a set right now. Saw them the other day and thought they looked like NFG/Loophole wheels

https://www.blackmarketskates.com/road-crew-wheels-60mm.html
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Thanks for posting that link, used their black friday code on their banner and got those for $8.50/$17 shipped. I have the 60mm V Cut in the 95a and love them, been curious about the standard NFG/Loophole formula and this deal was too good to pass up.

I ordered two sets, but got a call about ten minutes later they only have one left in stock. Woman on the phone said they’d refund the set they didn’t have, and said she’d throw in a free T-shirt too. Very good customer service. Would highly recommend black market skates. They’ve got some good stuff on sale right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mbam003 on November 27, 2021, 02:30:06 PM
Are Wayward wheels Creative urethane?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 27, 2021, 02:57:22 PM
Damn I was too slow! Thanks for the post/idea tho!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on November 27, 2021, 06:05:33 PM
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So Loophole also makes at least some of the Road Crew/Scram wheels, I have learned. Could be a cheaper option, especially with all the sales and those wheels being sold through major companies.

As for a wheel that will make the shittiest roads skateable, I am once again telling you to get 97a Spitfires. This wheel really solved the issue for me of the crusty northwest parking lot which will rattle your teeth loose.
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Black Market has the 60mm V cut Road Crew wheels for $10 a set right now. Saw them the other day and thought they looked like NFG/Loophole wheels

https://www.blackmarketskates.com/road-crew-wheels-60mm.html
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Thanks for posting that link, used their black friday code on their banner and got those for $8.50/$17 shipped. I have the 60mm V Cut in the 95a and love them, been curious about the standard NFG/Loophole formula and this deal was too good to pass up.
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I ordered two sets, but got a call about ten minutes later they only have one left in stock. Woman on the phone said they’d refund the set they didn’t have, and said she’d throw in a free T-shirt too. Very good customer service. Would highly recommend black market skates. They’ve got some good stuff on sale right now.

Got the same call about an hour after I ordered and got a refund. A little bummed but the customer service was good. Let us know how the Road Crew wheels work out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 27, 2021, 06:18:15 PM
Just bought a set of the Slimeball Vomit minis, 53 mm / 97A.

I had a pair of 97A conical Spits earlier this year and liked them, so I'm hyped to try out something different. Just wanted to try out different urethane and have white wheels again.

It'll be indoor skating until the end of March, so I'm curious to see how these hold up indoors. Also gluttonously bought some 95A mini-logo wheels to compare.  When I skate both sets, I'll update the thread.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8n hugon on November 27, 2021, 09:31:48 PM
The OJ/Santa Cruz 97a feel like a hard wheel with good grip. The 95a MiniLogo wheels feels extremely soft and sluggish.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 28, 2021, 02:48:24 AM
Are Wayward wheels Creative urethane?

I think that was a yes, from what I can recall.

Also brands like Satori, SML (one type, the other is something else), Speedlab (newer ones), plus more but I cannot recall any others right this minute.

Overall really good wheels, lots of options in sizes, shapes, different urethane options too.


I am just spoilt with Spitfire Formula Four, but that is not to say that other wheels will be good to skate too.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 28, 2021, 02:56:31 AM
I went looking for more wheels, often seeing some good ones through Uprise instagram, then saw these ones.

Anyone know anything about them, skated them, or whatever?


https://www.instagram.com/p/CWCJmFeFOll/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 28, 2021, 04:56:22 PM
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OJ From Concentrate Hardlines
Pros: they were on sale for $15
Cons: they definitely skate like a $15 wheel

Some lucky/unlucky kid is going to get a new set of wheels for free tomorrow. Right out of the package they felt oddly soft, but still hard, somehow. They didn’t seem to want to roll and felt like I was riding across sticky ground at each of the three spots I skated. They didn’t seem to grip that well when I powerslid. They seem to be a low rebound wheel. After 23 years of skating I learned the importance, and the meaning of, “rebound”. I hadn’t skated a non-premium wheel since the Spitfire F1 came out over a decade ago. Lesson learned that I should’ve checked this thread before trying something new out
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Damn that is a pain.

Were all three places on similar ground surface, bitumen, concrete, other?

I know when someone asks about a cheaper wheel, I often try to steer them away from the cheapies like this, but they still have a place in the market for juniors or beginners, with even some others I know who like them, but as you said, the board I had a roll on with them just felt weird, more than anything, but most wheels that are not Spitfire F4 seem to feel like that, a hard wheel that is not so fast but that also doesn't slide and grips a lot.

Perfect for kids though.
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asphalt parking lot, sealcoated asphalt, and concrete street. I’m not going to waste my time and pretend to like them. I’ll just leave them at the skatepark
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Notice when you drop your board down there is no bounce up to your feet. Thud.

The OJ wheels I had were almost dry feeling.

They felt harder than 99a but slower than 99a.

After a few sessions you feel almost every imperfection in the wheel.

OJ regular formulas are the closest wheel you can get to clay wheels.

I am sure their Nomads are better but I can’t buy any wheels from NHS when they produce such terrible wheels knowing they suck.
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The Elite formula is pretty good. The Juice line and keyframes are all good for cruiser wheels. I usually stay far away from NHS in general, but OJ’s marketing got to me. I’m tempted to give NFG’s a try just to try something different

From concentrate OJs are shit. Only buy the Elites (grippier than spits be warned), they're fast and very hard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 28, 2021, 05:52:22 PM
I've got a hot take: the reissue oj formula is better than the elite.
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Post by: manysnakes on November 28, 2021, 05:58:21 PM
Lukewarm take: OJ wheels are no good
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 28, 2021, 06:59:29 PM
Lukewarm take: OJ wheels are no good
super juices are the only exception to this rule
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Post by: Ok on November 28, 2021, 07:00:32 PM
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Lukewarm take: OJ wheels are no good
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super juices are the only exception to this rule

Eh, I think Plain Jane keyframes would be my exception.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on November 28, 2021, 07:50:07 PM
Fair point, their cruiser wheels are fine to good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 28, 2021, 07:59:15 PM
Fair point, their cruiser wheels are fine to good.

I think your lukewarm take was the correct one.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 29, 2021, 10:43:37 AM
The OJ/Santa Cruz 97a feel like a hard wheel with good grip. The 95a MiniLogo wheels feels extremely soft and sluggish.

Ah, shitballs. Well...maybe the minilogos will work out regardless haha.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 29, 2021, 11:36:04 AM
Has anyone tried Acid wheels? Black Market has the REM formula wheels for $20 right now so I’m tempted to pick up a set. The only feedback I’ve heard from skate shops is “we sell a lot of them”
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: trip35 on November 29, 2021, 02:58:21 PM
Does anybody know which shops in Europe usually get new Spitfire wheels in first? I'm after a set of these OG Fireballs (https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d2-og-fireballs-05.jpg) from the latest drop, they're just out in the US but here in Spain we get screwed on customs importing from outside the EU. And I've given up waiting for new radial slims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ssbsminotti on November 29, 2021, 03:13:15 PM
Does anybody know which shops in Europe usually get new Spitfire wheels in first? I'm after a set of these OG Fireballs (https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d2-og-fireballs-05.jpg) from the latest drop, they're just out in the US but here in Spain we get screwed on customs importing from outside the EU. And I've given up waiting for new radial slims.


A store called Junkyard here in Norway has got them. Don’t know if that counts as EU.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on November 29, 2021, 09:59:17 PM
Has anyone skated the 95a NFG formula?  I skated the Spitfire F4 97a conical fulls for a while in the spring and was looking at the 95a NFG v-shape for a similar crust wheel.  I’ve skated the Loophole v-shape before and enjoyed it.  Are the 95a’s still hard enough to use as an everyday street skating wheel like the Spitfire 97a durometer?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on November 29, 2021, 10:17:53 PM
Has anyone skated the 95a NFG formula?  I skated the Spitfire F4 97a conical fulls for a while in the spring and was looking at the 95a NFG v-shape for a similar crust wheel.  I’ve skated the Loophole v-shape before and enjoyed it.  Are the 95a’s still hard enough to use as an everyday street skating wheel like the Spitfire 97a durometer?


I've currently got the 58mm 97a Conical Full on one set up and 60mm V Cut 95a NFG on another. Overall they're fairly similar, the 97a are a little harder and faster on smooth ground and the 95a are faster on crusty ground almost like a faster less mushy Keyframe. My biggest surprise was that although they kill crust, the slide is very similar to the 97a spits and in my case, they slide better even though they're softer. My local is really slick and both wheels grip great and slide great there but I found the spits grip a little better where the nfg break into a slide easier. When it comes to street skating, they slide good on ledges and are still hard enough like the spits that flatground feels normal. Overall, the 95a are definitely an awesome wheel and imo the perfect ATV wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: trip35 on November 30, 2021, 03:10:43 AM
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Does anybody know which shops in Europe usually get new Spitfire wheels in first? I'm after a set of these OG Fireballs (https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d2-og-fireballs-05.jpg) from the latest drop, they're just out in the US but here in Spain we get screwed on customs importing from outside the EU. And I've given up waiting for new radial slims.
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A store called Junkyard here in Norway has got them. Don’t know if that counts as EU.

Thanks, I appreciate it. Norway is within the EEA so no customs or tax issues, but they don't have the wheels I was after. I'll save the shop, though, looks good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on November 30, 2021, 07:17:22 AM
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Has anyone skated the 95a NFG formula?  I skated the Spitfire F4 97a conical fulls for a while in the spring and was looking at the 95a NFG v-shape for a similar crust wheel.  I’ve skated the Loophole v-shape before and enjoyed it.  Are the 95a’s still hard enough to use as an everyday street skating wheel like the Spitfire 97a durometer?
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I've currently got the 58mm 97a Conical Full on one set up and 60mm V Cut 95a NFG on another. Overall they're fairly similar, the 97a are a little harder and faster on smooth ground and the 95a are faster on crusty ground almost like a faster less mushy Keyframe. My biggest surprise was that although they kill crust, the slide is very similar to the 97a spits and in my case, they slide better even though they're softer. My local is really slick and both wheels grip great and slide great there but I found the spits grip a little better where the nfg break into a slide easier. When it comes to street skating, they slide good on ledges and are still hard enough like the spits that flatground feels normal. Overall, the 95a are definitely an awesome wheel and imo the perfect ATV wheel.

Thanks for the detailed response!  That sounds like exactly what I’m looking for.  I really like the shape and width of the Loophole v-shape but I find them to be a little bumpy/unforgiving on rough ground and sometimes unexpectedly sticky on slides for how hard they are.  Figured I might as well just get a softer wheel in what looks to be the same shape and it sounds like the NFG 95a might be just that. 
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Post by: Landmine on November 30, 2021, 11:01:51 AM
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Has anyone skated the 95a NFG formula?  I skated the Spitfire F4 97a conical fulls for a while in the spring and was looking at the 95a NFG v-shape for a similar crust wheel.  I’ve skated the Loophole v-shape before and enjoyed it.  Are the 95a’s still hard enough to use as an everyday street skating wheel like the Spitfire 97a durometer?
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I've currently got the 58mm 97a Conical Full on one set up and 60mm V Cut 95a NFG on another. Overall they're fairly similar, the 97a are a little harder and faster on smooth ground and the 95a are faster on crusty ground almost like a faster less mushy Keyframe. My biggest surprise was that although they kill crust, the slide is very similar to the 97a spits and in my case, they slide better even though they're softer. My local is really slick and both wheels grip great and slide great there but I found the spits grip a little better where the nfg break into a slide easier. When it comes to street skating, they slide good on ledges and are still hard enough like the spits that flatground feels normal. Overall, the 95a are definitely an awesome wheel and imo the perfect ATV wheel.
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Thanks for the detailed response!  That sounds like exactly what I’m looking for.  I really like the shape and width of the Loophole v-shape but I find them to be a little bumpy/unforgiving on rough ground and sometimes unexpectedly sticky on slides for how hard they are.  Figured I might as well just get a softer wheel in what looks to be the same shape and it sounds like the NFG 95a might be just that.

I've got the NFG 95a crust wheels, and can vouch for them.  They feel grippy and excellent for plowing through debris, but at the same time they feel hard and fast and slide better than I expected.  If you're a wheel graphics lover you'll have to get over it though, the print flakes off within minutes.  Doesn't bother me one bit but someone out there might, maybe?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on December 01, 2021, 12:15:55 PM
(I hate back to back posting but whatever)

Who's got a 50mm wide wheel they really like?  My fat ass is trying to ride this setup without risers for once and the 54s are wheel biting like mad. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Goblinoid on December 01, 2021, 01:41:40 PM
Curious if anyone is picky about what wheels work best for slappies? I definitely noticed that tablets suck, and it made me wonder if there's an ideal shape (hell, and size?). I'd guess big wheels roll over the edge better, but most slappy guys seem to run relatively small wheels...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 01, 2021, 03:18:04 PM
I like Tablets for slappies. They lock in great. Conical fulls also. Classics will roll over a curb really nice but won't lock as well. It is nice to have a bit of bite from a wider wheel for grip on a hard carve upon entry.  But I honestly feel any wheel can work for slappies with a few minor adjustments.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: trip35 on December 02, 2021, 01:50:57 AM
Who's got a 50mm wide wheel they really like?  My fat ass is trying to ride this setup without risers for once and the 54s are wheel biting like mad.

Maybe Spitfire Lil Smokies Formula Four, either the tablets or OG classics? They do a 50mm. The tablets aren't wide but the contact patch is, and they're a good price for F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on December 02, 2021, 02:34:08 AM
Curious if anyone is picky about what wheels work best for slappies? I definitely noticed that tablets suck, and it made me wonder if there's an ideal shape (hell, and size?). I'd guess big wheels roll over the edge better, but most slappy guys seem to run relatively small wheels...

Conical fulls
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on December 02, 2021, 07:22:35 AM
With the obvious caveat that you will probably get used to anything, I back conical wheels, 100%. Going back after skating Spitfire Classics, I was able to lock into every trick much easier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 02, 2021, 07:44:54 AM
Curious if anyone is picky about what wheels work best for slappies? I definitely noticed that tablets suck, and it made me wonder if there's an ideal shape (hell, and size?). I'd guess big wheels roll over the edge better, but most slappy guys seem to run relatively small wheels...

I backed Spitfire Lock-Ins when you could still find them.  Square inside to lock in like a tablet, but more rounded outside to get on.  Would be nice if they brought them back.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: typeischeap on December 02, 2021, 08:05:26 AM
With the obvious caveat that you will probably get used to anything, I back conical wheels, 100%. Going back after skating Spitfire Classics, I was able to lock into every trick much easier.

Curious...is this a ledge perspective or transition/coping perspective? Knowing and agreeing that yes you can get used to either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on December 02, 2021, 08:06:58 AM
Curious if anyone is picky about what wheels work best for slappies? I definitely noticed that tablets suck, and it made me wonder if there's an ideal shape (hell, and size?). I'd guess big wheels roll over the edge better, but most slappy guys seem to run relatively small wheels...

The most difficult wheels I’ve tried to slappy with were OG Powell Peralta G Bones. They’re tall and pretty soft (93a?) with a square outer lip. Just didn’t want to climb. They’d either bounce off or stop dead. They totally ate up the shite pavement at that curb, though.  So nothing too big, soft or square.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 02, 2021, 05:28:22 PM

Who's got a 50mm wide wheel they really like?  My fat ass is trying to ride this setup without risers for once and the 54s are wheel biting like mad.


There are some smaller diameter wheels with wider riding surfaces out there, but a set of old worn down wheels usually works just as well and is a lot easier to come across (for me at least) so usually anything that has been bigger and worn down to the point of retiring would be perfect in that situation.

I just put a worn down set of 54 classics on a board, now between 50 and 51, and they are still great for their size and shape.

Just an option anyway.



Curious if anyone is picky about what wheels work best for slappies? I definitely noticed that tablets suck, and it made me wonder if there's an ideal shape (hell, and size?). I'd guess big wheels roll over the edge better, but most slappy guys seem to run relatively small wheels...


I feel like those people who have the technique down could do them on almost any wheel, so it is not so much which wheel works best for them, but which might help in learning them better for someone who is still getting there, to which I would usually say some bigger rounder wheels seemed to work really well a while back for me, then when I tried on another board with smaller old wheels, it was just as easy, with a bit more control.

The first ones I had were old 60mm unknown brand (but similar to the usual 99 duro) in a classic shape, and they worked really well to just smash up over this slightly lower curb that was good to get them on.

People used to do them on all sorts of wheels, hard and soft, big and bigger in the 80s, then small and smaller from the 90s on, but maybe the bigger rounder wheel is a good way to go.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on December 03, 2021, 07:40:33 AM
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Curious...is this a ledge perspective or transition/coping perspective? Knowing and agreeing that yes you can get used to either.

Transition and curbs. I barely have any pop to skate ledges anymore.
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Post by: typeischeap on December 03, 2021, 08:03:33 AM
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With the obvious caveat that you will probably get used to anything, I back conical wheels, 100%. Going back after skating Spitfire Classics, I was able to lock into every trick much easier.
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Curious...is this a ledge perspective or transition/coping perspective? Knowing and agreeing that yes you can get used to either.
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Transition and curbs. I barely have any pop to skate ledges anymore.

Thanks! I was actually swapping my classics back to my conical fulls just as this response came in. Similar experience.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on December 03, 2021, 08:18:10 AM
For a 9" egg cruiser with 8.75" trucks, would y'all rather run 87a 56mm OJ plain Jane Keyframes or 90a 60mm Rat Bones reissues?

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0020/1628/0646/products/oj-wheels-oj-58mm-87a-plain-jane-keyframe-soft-skateboard-wheels-white-14605233389638_1200x1200_crop_center.jpg)

(https://socalskateshop.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/large_8185_Powell_Rat_Bones_Green_FLG.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 03, 2021, 08:54:47 AM
For a 9" egg cruiser with 8.75" trucks, would y'all rather run 87a 56mm OJ plain Jane Keyframes or 90a 60mm Rat Bones reissues?

personally, 56 keyframes. but it also depends on what you might want to do with your egg time
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Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on December 03, 2021, 02:02:08 PM
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personally, 56 keyframes. but it also depends on what you might want to do with your egg time

Mostly just use it to surf around the bike paths and skate park as a warm up before hopping on the street board. I love the aesthetic of the ridiculously big neon wheels and they match the deck, but the Keyframes are way lighter and probably more functional
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Post by: iw0 on December 03, 2021, 05:47:26 PM
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personally, 56 keyframes. but it also depends on what you might want to do with your egg time
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Mostly just use it to surf around the bike paths and skate park as a warm up before hopping on the street board. I love the aesthetic of the ridiculously big neon wheels and they match the deck, but the Keyframes are way lighter and probably more functional

i've given it some thought and i think the big wheels are the way to go lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on December 04, 2021, 04:06:19 PM
Loopholes came today... This shape looks really good. Just have to wait for it to dry up!!!
https://imgur.com/YKokbDP
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Post by: Boog on December 04, 2021, 04:40:21 PM
Loopholes came today... This shape looks really good. Just have to wait for it to dry up!!!
https://imgur.com/YKokbDP
I've been riding the same wheels for a couple weeks now. They are really good wheels. The only thing about them is the graphic comes off really easy. I was able to rub the graphic off with my finger after the first session. Which is fine because I like wheels facing in anyway. Other than that they are amazing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 04, 2021, 04:44:06 PM
Curious if anyone is picky about what wheels work best for slappies? I definitely noticed that tablets suck, and it made me wonder if there's an ideal shape (hell, and size?). I'd guess big wheels roll over the edge better, but most slappy guys seem to run relatively small wheels...

Bones V5 - best wheel I've found for how I skate/slappy.

Conicals.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 05, 2021, 04:26:03 AM
Loopholes came today... This shape looks really good. Just have to wait for it to dry up!!!
https://imgur.com/YKokbDP
you're in for a tonne of fun! (I actually like that the graphics rub off tbh)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on December 07, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
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Post by: white guy in a durag on December 07, 2021, 01:07:58 PM
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BRB, buying some element wheels
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Post by: manysnakes on December 07, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
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That's why I skate 97a
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Post by: rocklobster on December 07, 2021, 05:23:51 PM
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BRB, buying some element wheels

Primitive & Crupie wheels FTW. Wonder what wheels Tiago actually skates.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on December 08, 2021, 06:23:47 PM
I impulsively bought some Loophole wheels, and fuck - you guys are right. I only skated for a half an hour at most, but these are really good wheels.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 08, 2021, 06:56:44 PM
I impulsively bought some Loophole wheels, and fuck - you guys are right. I only skated for a half an hour at most, but these are really good wheels.
welcome to the dark side!

In response to that meme up there: you obviously haven’t seen me powerlside on my loopholes, I’m fucking channeling Leo Valls on them shits
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on December 13, 2021, 07:08:03 AM
Anyone having comparism between 95a NFG Square and Vees in 54mm? I need a real Allrounder for Ledges, Flips and cruisin to the Spots on the streets. Are the Squares comparable to the radial slims which everyone seems to love? Thanks a million!
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Post by: iw0 on December 13, 2021, 07:52:28 AM
Anyone having comparism between 95a NFG Square and Vees in 54mm? I need a real Allrounder for Ledges, Flips and cruisin to the Spots on the streets. Are the Squares comparable to the radial slims which everyone seems to love? Thanks a million!

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I had the 54 squares. They were good and pretty comparable to a spit radial slim. Lock in was nice, but still relatively rounded. Didn’t enjoy them as much as the teardrop shape though, they seemed stickier and a little less consistent on the slide for me.

this post says they were like tablets for them, but yknow everyone's got different experiences

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Long time 1st time... my favorite jawns have been pusher wheels but they're outta the game.. so what's good on dial tone or loopwhole?
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Haven't tried Dialtone but looking at them I'm guessing they're creative. Not basing that on anything concrete, they just have similar molds and packaging to other CU wheels on the market.

Loophole on the other hand... I REALLY like them. The graphics will just slide right off if you rub them and you can definitely tell they were just made by some enterprising skaters in someones garage in SF, but they skate great. For how hard they are (55D or 103a) they're quite a smooth ride, and they're fast and shit and slide like butter. They're a little weird at first - almost too hard and slick - but after you get past the first layer of urethane they have a great combination of grip and slip. Honestly they're probably the second best wheel I've skated behind F4s. Also if you can't find the side or shape you want then check out NFG mfg which is the company that pours them, they have their own line of wheels and have a square shape that I haven't seen on loopholes yet. Don't wait around on them though, they're small batches so they tend to sell out pretty fast. They just put some new 54mm squares up - they're $40 through the site but if you have amazon prime you can order them through amazon and save the shipping cost.
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100% agree. I have the square shape and they are awesome. They are pretty similar, shape wise, to F4 tablets  but with the urethane characteristics you mentioned. The point you mentioned about the feel changing after the first layer is off is true. At first mine slid like ice all over the place but after two or three sessions they started to grip better and now its a nice balance.

The V shape was a little too square for me as I power slide a lot and the wheel edges would catch too much on nooks and crannies in the street. The slightly more rounded edge of the “square” shape doesn’t seem to have that problem.

all this being said, the vees really do plow through anything so as far as cruising to the spots on the streets, they have you covered. i have them on most of my boards at this point, both 95 (love these) and the 103 which the doesn't feel awful on the roads, to me at least.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 13, 2021, 07:57:07 AM
Anyone having comparism between 95a NFG Square and Vees in 54mm? I need a real Allrounder for Ledges, Flips and cruisin to the Spots on the streets. Are the Squares comparable to the radial slims which everyone seems to love? Thanks a million!

I have the harder square and v shape and the squares are more like tablets imo
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Post by: Gene_Harrogate on December 13, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
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Anyone having comparism between 95a NFG Square and Vees in 54mm? I need a real Allrounder for Ledges, Flips and cruisin to the Spots on the streets. Are the Squares comparable to the radial slims which everyone seems to love? Thanks a million!
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I have the harder square and v shape and the squares are more like tablets imo
I've got the 95a squares and I'd say they're somewhere in between a tablet and radial.  I was comparing them side by side to a tablet that I have and they definitely have more rounding on the edge, but not as much as a radial slim.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on December 14, 2021, 07:45:19 AM
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Anyone having comparism between 95a NFG Square and Vees in 54mm? I need a real Allrounder for Ledges, Flips and cruisin to the Spots on the streets. Are the Squares comparable to the radial slims which everyone seems to love? Thanks a million!
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I have the harder square and v shape and the squares are more like tablets imo
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I've got the 95a squares and I'd say they're somewhere in between a tablet and radial.  I was comparing them side by side to a tablet that I have and they definitely have more rounding on the edge, but not as much as a radial slim.
Here is a side by side comparison with the wheels in question if it's at all helpful. After further comparison the NFG square and Spitfire Radial slims are really close in shape.
(https://i.imgur.com/qXcnr2x.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5CjYIQO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7YCM6ex.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on December 14, 2021, 10:58:10 AM
Wow!!! Thank You guys a lot for your helpful answers! I will give the 54 Squares a try. Really curious about the 95a formula.
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 14, 2021, 11:58:13 AM
Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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Post by: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 06:08:55 PM
Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!

I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
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Post by: iw0 on December 14, 2021, 06:58:35 PM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.

wait which is out of stock, my dude?
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 14, 2021, 08:35:29 PM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.

Haha I’m having the same struggle with those 57mm Kaders. My wife got me the 60’s for Xmas, but this scarcity thing has me wanting to get the smaller ones while they are still around
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 08:59:51 PM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
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wait which is out of stock, my dude?

My bad, thought it was just 1 SKU in Square 54mm, not the entire range.

The BOGO offer is solid (https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/54mm-square), wider than a Radial Slim with a narrower contact patch based on the provided specs. 54mm is bigger than I usually like but 51mm on a 8.25 deck is beginning to look ridiculous.

Hopefully these wheels are as good as you guys claim.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on December 14, 2021, 10:43:52 PM
That BOGO deal on the Square 54s is pretty nice. I do think they have the contact patch misprinted on the site though. If you look at the Teardrop shape, they list the same width and contact patch. You can tell the Squares have a wider patch just by looking at them. Judging by those pictures of the F4 Radial slims I'm gonna guess 19mm?
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Post by: Ol Nick on December 14, 2021, 11:06:24 PM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
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wait which is out of stock, my dude?
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My bad, thought it was just 1 SKU in Square 54mm, not the entire range.

The BOGO offer is solid (https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/54mm-square), wider than a Radial Slim with a narrower contact patch based on the provided specs. 54mm is bigger than I usually like but 51mm on a 8.25 deck is beginning to look ridiculous.

Hopefully these wheels are as good as you guys claim.
I had one of the early batch square sets that I’d imagine would probably be a factory second these days. They’re now at 51mm and still in regular rotation. They have the edge over my 53mm F4 Radials. Similar lock, NFGs wear more evenly, have a smoother slide on my pavement, and are a little less rattly than the F4s.

Lately I’ve been on some 97a conical fulls but am dying to ride some NFG 95a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on December 15, 2021, 09:01:09 AM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
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wait which is out of stock, my dude?
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My bad, thought it was just 1 SKU in Square 54mm, not the entire range.

The BOGO offer is solid (https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/54mm-square), wider than a Radial Slim with a narrower contact patch based on the provided specs. 54mm is bigger than I usually like but 51mm on a 8.25 deck is beginning to look ridiculous.

Hopefully these wheels are as good as you guys claim.

Last night at my local it was super humid, I’m the only guy that rides loopholes, the ground started to get slick as fuck, everyone else on spits, I was the only one still able to do shit on flat, they grip when they need to and slide when you want them to, I won’t be switching wheel brands anytime soon
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 15, 2021, 09:03:49 AM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
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wait which is out of stock, my dude?
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My bad, thought it was just 1 SKU in Square 54mm, not the entire range.

The BOGO offer is solid (https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/54mm-square), wider than a Radial Slim with a narrower contact patch based on the provided specs. 54mm is bigger than I usually like but 51mm on a 8.25 deck is beginning to look ridiculous.

Hopefully these wheels are as good as you guys claim.
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Last night at my local it was super humid, I’m the only guy that rides loopholes, the ground started to get slick as fuck, everyone else on spits, I was the only one still able to do shit on flat, they grip when they need to and slide when you want them to, I won’t be switching wheel brands anytime soon

So.... Are you suggesting I buy more wheels?

I wish they did the square or vee shape in 52mm, I'm not hesh enough to ride anything bigger than 53 and I'm not a fan of the teardrop / classic shape
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on December 15, 2021, 11:45:49 AM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
[close]

wait which is out of stock, my dude?
[close]

My bad, thought it was just 1 SKU in Square 54mm, not the entire range.

The BOGO offer is solid (https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/54mm-square), wider than a Radial Slim with a narrower contact patch based on the provided specs. 54mm is bigger than I usually like but 51mm on a 8.25 deck is beginning to look ridiculous.

Hopefully these wheels are as good as you guys claim.
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Last night at my local it was super humid, I’m the only guy that rides loopholes, the ground started to get slick as fuck, everyone else on spits, I was the only one still able to do shit on flat, they grip when they need to and slide when you want them to, I won’t be switching wheel brands anytime soon
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So.... Are you suggesting I buy more wheels?

I wish they did the square or vee shape in 52mm, I'm not hesh enough to ride anything bigger than 53 and I'm not a fan of the teardrop / classic shape

I skate street enough to warrant the 54s they wear down nicely as well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: juniormint on December 16, 2021, 02:24:03 AM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
[close]

I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
[close]

wait which is out of stock, my dude?
[close]

My bad, thought it was just 1 SKU in Square 54mm, not the entire range.

The BOGO offer is solid (https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/54mm-square), wider than a Radial Slim with a narrower contact patch based on the provided specs. 54mm is bigger than I usually like but 51mm on a 8.25 deck is beginning to look ridiculous.

Hopefully these wheels are as good as you guys claim.
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Last night at my local it was super humid, I’m the only guy that rides loopholes, the ground started to get slick as fuck, everyone else on spits, I was the only one still able to do shit on flat, they grip when they need to and slide when you want them to, I won’t be switching wheel brands anytime soon
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So.... Are you suggesting I buy more wheels?

I wish they did the square or vee shape in 52mm, I'm not hesh enough to ride anything bigger than 53 and I'm not a fan of the teardrop / classic shape

Just to tempt you a bit more the last couple of sets of 54s I’ve had have been 53mm - I think I read somewhere that they’ve changed their moulds to be more accurate now though?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 16, 2021, 03:19:23 AM
Just get the 54s, they’re not that big in the scheme of things. They’ll also be your gateway drug to 56 v-cuts …
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 16, 2021, 08:35:11 AM
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Dang, I stand corrected, looks more like radial slim!
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I can feel the money loosening from my wallet, guess that will be my Xmas treat to myself.

Edit: out of stock at NFG and Loophole wheels.
[close]

wait which is out of stock, my dude?
[close]

My bad, thought it was just 1 SKU in Square 54mm, not the entire range.

The BOGO offer is solid (https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/54mm-square), wider than a Radial Slim with a narrower contact patch based on the provided specs. 54mm is bigger than I usually like but 51mm on a 8.25 deck is beginning to look ridiculous.

Hopefully these wheels are as good as you guys claim.
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Last night at my local it was super humid, I’m the only guy that rides loopholes, the ground started to get slick as fuck, everyone else on spits, I was the only one still able to do shit on flat, they grip when they need to and slide when you want them to, I won’t be switching wheel brands anytime soon
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So.... Are you suggesting I buy more wheels?

I wish they did the square or vee shape in 52mm, I'm not hesh enough to ride anything bigger than 53 and I'm not a fan of the teardrop / classic shape
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Just to tempt you a bit more the last couple of sets of 54s I’ve had have been 53mm - I think I read somewhere that they’ve changed their moulds to be more accurate now though?

Well I did DM them like a man and they said no plans for a 52mm Square or Vee yet. I already have 2 sets of Square 54mm on the way, if they are good I'll stock up on more.

How is their 103a compared to a Bones 103a and F4 99a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: juniormint on December 16, 2021, 08:44:14 AM
Can‘t speak for the bones comparison but I find them pretty similar in terms of hardness to 99a spits, a little harder. Something about them is more forgiving though, like on the streets they are really comfortable yet still definitely faster. I feel like the loopholes have far better rebound or something.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LE_rik on December 16, 2021, 09:03:23 AM
Can‘t speak for the bones comparison but I find them pretty similar in terms of hardness to 99a spits, a little harder. Something about them is more forgiving though, like on the streets they are really comfortable yet still definitely faster. I feel like the loopholes have far better rebound or something.

Definitely interesting, faster but more forgiving, that makes my think about the 103a instead of the 95a. I would like to know how the 95a NFGs compare to the spits 97a vs 99a (knowing that the size and form play a major role).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 16, 2021, 09:08:34 AM
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Can‘t speak for the bones comparison but I find them pretty similar in terms of hardness to 99a spits, a little harder. Something about them is more forgiving though, like on the streets they are really comfortable yet still definitely faster. I feel like the loopholes have far better rebound or something.
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Definitely interesting, faster but more forgiving, that makes my think about the 103a instead of the 95a. I would like to know how the 95a NFGs compare to the spits 97a vs 99a (knowing that the size and form play a major role).

seconding the sentiments so far - fast, forgiving. i feel like the 95 nfg's grip just a bit more than the 103, and don't feel as sluggish as the 97 spits - not that they are super sluggish or anything, so nothing game changing to me. they definitely have more grip than a 99 spitfire too. was skating with friends in a wet parking lot similar to someone else here and they were skidding out, while i was definitely in more control on 95 NFGs.
easier way to say it for me is - i can go to the corner store on 103s and not be miserable, but the 95s makes me not even think about it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: user18081971 on December 16, 2021, 12:40:39 PM
What’s the consensus on Acid Wheels?
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Post by: rocklobster on December 16, 2021, 05:46:48 PM
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Can‘t speak for the bones comparison but I find them pretty similar in terms of hardness to 99a spits, a little harder. Something about them is more forgiving though, like on the streets they are really comfortable yet still definitely faster. I feel like the loopholes have far better rebound or something.
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Definitely interesting, faster but more forgiving, that makes my think about the 103a instead of the 95a. I would like to know how the 95a NFGs compare to the spits 97a vs 99a (knowing that the size and form play a major role).
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seconding the sentiments so far - fast, forgiving. i feel like the 95 nfg's grip just a bit more than the 103, and don't feel as sluggish as the 97 spits - not that they are super sluggish or anything, so nothing game changing to me. they definitely have more grip than a 99 spitfire too. was skating with friends in a wet parking lot similar to someone else here and they were skidding out, while i was definitely in more control on 95 NFGs.
easier way to say it for me is - i can go to the corner store on 103s and not be miserable, but the 95s makes me not even think about it.

If anyone is looking for an excuse to pick some up:

https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop

Use HOLIDAY at checkout for 20% off.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Buster_Poosey on December 16, 2021, 06:12:11 PM
What’s the consensus on Acid Wheels?

First time poster, long time lurker. I created an account to shed some light on your question, since a previous question about acid wheels was ignored. These wheels are legit. They are just as good as the big 3 wheel brands, if not better, and at the price, it’s pretty hard to beat. The Type A formula was my jam, but the men R.E.M. formula is really good too. The Acid Pods might be the best cruiser wheels out right now. The wheels are hand poured in the SOP warehouse in Oceanside CA.

Anyway, feel free to kook me. I’ll focus my account now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on December 16, 2021, 06:28:19 PM
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What’s the consensus on Acid Wheels?
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First time poster, long time lurker. I created an account to shed some light on your question, since a previous question about acid wheels was ignored. These wheels are legit. They are just as good as the big 3 wheel brands, if not better, and at the price, it’s pretty hard to beat. The Type A formula was my jam, but the men R.E.M. formula is really good too. The Acid Pods might be the best cruiser wheels out right now. The wheels are hand poured in the SOP warehouse in Oceanside CA.

Anyway, feel free to kook me. I’ll focus my account now

Hey man, it's all smiles and high-fives here in Shoes & Gear. In here, you'd have to really be kooking it to start something that would warrant a justified "focus your account" post in your direction. UWTB is a completely different story however, motherfuckers will drop your rep for posting literally anything there. Anyways, I appreciate the insight, I've never thought about trying Acid wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 16, 2021, 07:08:26 PM
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What’s the consensus on Acid Wheels?
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First time poster, long time lurker. I created an account to shed some light on your question, since a previous question about acid wheels was ignored. These wheels are legit. They are just as good as the big 3 wheel brands, if not better, and at the price, it’s pretty hard to beat. The Type A formula was my jam, but the men R.E.M. formula is really good too. The Acid Pods might be the best cruiser wheels out right now. The wheels are hand poured in the SOP warehouse in Oceanside CA.

Anyway, feel free to kook me. I’ll focus my account now

I fail to see how this is a kook / focus worthy comment, but welcome to Shoes & Gear! The moment you start bringing up Caliber trucks is when we ride your ass into oblivion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on December 16, 2021, 07:28:38 PM
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What’s the consensus on Acid Wheels?
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First time poster, long time lurker. I created an account to shed some light on your question, since a previous question about acid wheels was ignored. These wheels are legit. They are just as good as the big 3 wheel brands, if not better, and at the price, it’s pretty hard to beat. The Type A formula was my jam, but the men R.E.M. formula is really good too. The Acid Pods might be the best cruiser wheels out right now. The wheels are hand poured in the SOP warehouse in Oceanside CA.

Anyway, feel free to kook me. I’ll focus my account now

What are the big 3 wheel co’s? Spitfire, Bones and ? Is there consensus on #3? 

And yes, Shoes & Gear and Whatever are chill; UWTB is lord of the flies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 16, 2021, 07:33:30 PM
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What’s the consensus on Acid Wheels?
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First time poster, long time lurker. I created an account to shed some light on your question, since a previous question about acid wheels was ignored. These wheels are legit. They are just as good as the big 3 wheel brands, if not better, and at the price, it’s pretty hard to beat. The Type A formula was my jam, but the men R.E.M. formula is really good too. The Acid Pods might be the best cruiser wheels out right now. The wheels are hand poured in the SOP warehouse in Oceanside CA.

Anyway, feel free to kook me. I’ll focus my account now
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What are the big 3 wheel co’s? Spitfire, Bones and ? Is there consensus on #3? 

And yes, Shoes & Gear and Whatever are chill; UWTB is lord of the flies.

I think Oj would be the third, if I had to guess. The only other big brand I can think of would be Ricta but no one really seems to talk about them much on here (aside from the clouds)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 16, 2021, 07:46:15 PM
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Can‘t speak for the bones comparison but I find them pretty similar in terms of hardness to 99a spits, a little harder. Something about them is more forgiving though, like on the streets they are really comfortable yet still definitely faster. I feel like the loopholes have far better rebound or something.
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Definitely interesting, faster but more forgiving, that makes my think about the 103a instead of the 95a. I would like to know how the 95a NFGs compare to the spits 97a vs 99a (knowing that the size and form play a major role).
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seconding the sentiments so far - fast, forgiving. i feel like the 95 nfg's grip just a bit more than the 103, and don't feel as sluggish as the 97 spits - not that they are super sluggish or anything, so nothing game changing to me. they definitely have more grip than a 99 spitfire too. was skating with friends in a wet parking lot similar to someone else here and they were skidding out, while i was definitely in more control on 95 NFGs.
easier way to say it for me is - i can go to the corner store on 103s and not be miserable, but the 95s makes me not even think about it.
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If anyone is looking for an excuse to pick some up:

https://www.nfgmfg.com/shop

Use HOLIDAY at checkout for 20% off.

thaaaank youuuuuuu &#128591;square city here i come
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on December 16, 2021, 07:58:44 PM
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First time poster, long time lurker. I created an account to shed some light on your question, since a previous question about acid wheels was ignored. These wheels are legit. They are just as good as the big 3 wheel brands, if not better, and at the price, it’s pretty hard to beat. The Type A formula was my jam, but the men R.E.M. formula is really good too. The Acid Pods might be the best cruiser wheels out right now. The wheels are hand poured in the SOP warehouse in Oceanside CA.

Anyway, feel free to kook me. I’ll focus my account now
[close]

What are the big 3 wheel co’s? Spitfire, Bones and ? Is there consensus on #3? 

And yes, Shoes & Gear and Whatever are chill; UWTB is lord of the flies.
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I think Oj would be the third, if I had to guess. The only other big brand I can think of would be Ricta but no one really seems to talk about them much on here (aside from the clouds)

D’oh! Can’t believe I missed Oj’s!  I was a huge speed wheels fan as a kid. To be fair, around here I see 1. Spitfire 2. Board brands 3. Rollerbladers 4.Bones?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 16, 2021, 10:06:10 PM
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First time poster, long time lurker. I created an account to shed some light on your question, since a previous question about acid wheels was ignored. These wheels are legit. They are just as good as the big 3 wheel brands, if not better, and at the price, it’s pretty hard to beat. The Type A formula was my jam, but the men R.E.M. formula is really good too. The Acid Pods might be the best cruiser wheels out right now. The wheels are hand poured in the SOP warehouse in Oceanside CA.

Anyway, feel free to kook me. I’ll focus my account now
[close]

What are the big 3 wheel co’s? Spitfire, Bones and ? Is there consensus on #3? 

And yes, Shoes & Gear and Whatever are chill; UWTB is lord of the flies.
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I think Oj would be the third, if I had to guess. The only other big brand I can think of would be Ricta but no one really seems to talk about them much on here (aside from the clouds)

I consider Ricta + OJ as the same brand anyway.

Creative urethane is a close 4th or 3rd, Satori and Autobahn wheels are great, I think SML and Dialtone are Creative too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on December 17, 2021, 05:41:30 AM
I thought I was stocked upon wheels but then SML dropped those 49s. Ugh, might need a set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JJ_Skates on December 18, 2021, 06:33:00 AM
Granted I haven't skated Spits in 10 years + (Bones guy).

54mm, 99a is my sweet spot. my problem is trying to find Bones equivalent to the Conical Fulls in that size and hardness. Does anyone know if it's the V5 or V6 STF that would be closest to skating 54mm 99a Conical Fulls? The Bones website is trash for listing contact patch.

If I can't find an equivalent I guess I'll have to try the Spitfires out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Post A Fit Fuccboi on December 18, 2021, 08:49:36 AM
Does anyone know if it's the V5 or V6 STF that would be closest to skating 54mm 99a Conical Fulls? The Bones website is trash for listing contact patch.

The V6 ("Widecut") if you can find em.

Ben Koppl pro wheels are V6; the magenta graphic one is 54, the yellow one 56. Site says discontinued but I'm sure you could still find some: https://bones.com/bones-wheels-pro-stf-skateboard-wheels-koppl-rollersurfer-54mm-v6-wide-cut-99a-4pk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lazyskater on December 18, 2021, 09:10:11 AM
Granted I haven't skated Spits in 10 years + (Bones guy).

54mm, 99a is my sweet spot. my problem is trying to find Bones equivalent to the Conical Fulls in that size and hardness. Does anyone know if it's the V5 or V6 STF that would be closest to skating 54mm 99a Conical Fulls? The Bones website is trash for listing contact patch.

If I can't find an equivalent I guess I'll have to try the Spitfires out.

The bones website is better then spits.
https://bones.com/why/shapes/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JJ_Skates on December 18, 2021, 09:19:07 AM
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The V6 ("Widecut") if you can find em.

Ben Koppl pro wheels are V6; the magenta graphic one is 54, the yellow one 56. Site says discontinued but I'm sure you could still find some: https://bones.com/bones-wheels-pro-stf-skateboard-wheels-koppl-rollersurfer-54mm-v6-wide-cut-99a-4pk
That's legit, thanks mate! I just found the purple ones on eBay. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 18, 2021, 05:21:52 PM
The V6 are like a combination of conical full and double wide classic shape.


(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20201105/BONES-V-SHAPE-SLIDER-V6-WIDECUT.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goingapelikenigo on December 19, 2021, 03:16:25 PM
my pink spitfire skate like a girl f4s wore down and flatspotted extremely quickly. was excited to try a coloured pair of wheels but now i feel like the dye they use fuck with their formula or something. i haven't even skated a lot of rough ground recently, mostly the local indoor which is mostly wooden.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on December 19, 2021, 08:34:06 PM
my pink spitfire skate like a girl f4s wore down and flatspotted extremely quickly. was excited to try a coloured pair of wheels but now i feel like the dye they use fuck with their formula or something. i haven't even skated a lot of rough ground recently, mostly the local indoor which is mostly wooden.
A coworker of mine got a chunk out of his. Did you find them softer feeling almost? My black classic fulls have been noted to feel a little softer by most people who have tried my setup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 19, 2021, 08:55:39 PM
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my pink spitfire skate like a girl f4s wore down and flatspotted extremely quickly. was excited to try a coloured pair of wheels but now i feel like the dye they use fuck with their formula or something. i haven't even skated a lot of rough ground recently, mostly the local indoor which is mostly wooden.
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A coworker of mine got a chunk out of his. Did you find them softer feeling almost? My black classic fulls have been noted to feel a little softer by most people who have tried my setup.

DLXSF customer service to the rescue, constantly impressed with them. As long as you have proof of purchase and send evidence documenting it, they are helpful. Time to break out the calipers to prove the wear is faster than average.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goingapelikenigo on December 20, 2021, 01:59:45 AM
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my pink spitfire skate like a girl f4s wore down and flatspotted extremely quickly. was excited to try a coloured pair of wheels but now i feel like the dye they use fuck with their formula or something. i haven't even skated a lot of rough ground recently, mostly the local indoor which is mostly wooden.
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A coworker of mine got a chunk out of his. Did you find them softer feeling almost? My black classic fulls have been noted to feel a little softer by most people who have tried my setup.
yes i got a little chunk out of mine too actually, there is like a little chunk peeling off and barely hanging on.
DLXSF customer service to the rescue, constantly impressed with them. As long as you have proof of purchase and send evidence documenting it, they are helpful. Time to break out the calipers to prove the wear is faster than average.
gonna try to get in contact with them, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2021, 02:59:41 PM
*****


For people in AUSTRALIA who want NFG or Boardy Cakes wheels, I just saw a small shop guy who has some on his website.


https://americanwood.shop/


https://americanwood.shop/products/WHEELS-c121735450


Both the 95 duro and the normal ones, different sizes and shapes, some of each wheels still in stock.



Worth a look.


*  Nothing to do with me, just came up on Instagram and thought if people were keen, there are some available.


Added:


Discount code: SK8XMAS15

15% off anything in store



https://www.instagram.com/p/CWJ_srBPCvY/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWQQToKpn2h/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 22, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
Good that you Aussies can now cop NFG
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2021, 07:43:48 PM
Good that you Aussies can now cop NFG

It is also kinda funny that no one has really picked up these brands, but it is a small solo operator who brought them in and is doing his own shop based on USA made products too.

Hopefully people who would like to try them do buy some things and help him keep the business going too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 24, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
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my pink spitfire skate like a girl f4s wore down and flatspotted extremely quickly. was excited to try a coloured pair of wheels but now i feel like the dye they use fuck with their formula or something. i haven't even skated a lot of rough ground recently, mostly the local indoor which is mostly wooden.
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A coworker of mine got a chunk out of his. Did you find them softer feeling almost? My black classic fulls have been noted to feel a little softer by most people who have tried my setup.
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yes i got a little chunk out of mine too actually, there is like a little chunk peeling off and barely hanging on.
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DLXSF customer service to the rescue, constantly impressed with them. As long as you have proof of purchase and send evidence documenting it, they are helpful. Time to break out the calipers to prove the wear is faster than average.
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gonna try to get in contact with them, thanks!

One thing to note is that both red and black use the most dye which displaces more urethane in the batch than other colors. This is what makes colored wheels feel a bit softer than their counterparts and why they wear more quickly. Probably why the black wheels/white wheels debate existed in the 80’s. As in the argument over which was faster. I could imagine thinking that the smoother wheel felt faster ( black ) where the white wheels felt a bit harder and truly held their speed better (depending on the surface you were riding).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on December 24, 2021, 08:28:03 PM
Skated some 58mm Spitfire OG Classics 99a I’ve had on a little used setup the other day. Holy schnikes are they faster than the 56-clapped-out-to-52mm 99a F4 conical fulls I’ve been riding. I mean, I know bigger wheels are faster, but the bearings in the 58’s are better too, and the bearing seats on the conical fulls were pretty worn the last time I had the bearings out. I’ve got some fresher 54mm 99 F4 conical fulls I wanna trot out for comparison.  I had been feeling pretty slick on my worn out, super wide wheels, but it really made me wonder about how long people ride wheels and why.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on December 26, 2021, 11:45:25 PM
 How are SMLs AG formula compared to Spitfire F4? thinking about getting some of the 49s just for fun and want to make sure i’ll at least sorta like em. It’s between those or the spitfire little smokies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 27, 2021, 05:56:18 AM
How are SMLs AG formula compared to Spitfire F4? thinking about getting some of the 49s just for fun and want to make sure i’ll at least sorta like em. It’s between those or the spitfire little smokies.

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The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers
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Ha, yeah definitely got to try some out and see what works.

I have had / seen two different types of SML wheels and both were good / no issues, but I didn't skate them much and passed them on to others who needed wheels, more so because I usually ride and feel most comfortable on Spitfires.

One set was very white, which seemed harder at first, the other set more milky, and was a bit softer / had more grip.  I guess being one of the many brands who use other wheels, it is just one of those things.

See this post for the slight differences, not counting the coloured wheels at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIvCnLJ34T/
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So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability.

The other ones on the right are our OG formula from Aend They are closer to a Bones STF. They have a high rebound so they won't flat spot it doesn't have to do with the hardness as much as the high quality of urethane . So they do take a little more effort on the slide but I personally love them.

The duro is the same 99a on both but they both have their own feel.

I hope this info is helpful and thanks for the support!!

From @cliff

Riding a set of the OG Wide 99a 52mm and I'm really liking them, right up there with Spitfire and Bones and would even rank them above OJ / Ricta. Very consistent slides and no slip outs on the slick metal bench I've been skating. Liked them more than the F4 99a Classics I rode a few months back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on December 27, 2021, 04:00:27 PM
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How are SMLs AG formula compared to Spitfire F4? thinking about getting some of the 49s just for fun and want to make sure i’ll at least sorta like em. It’s between those or the spitfire little smokies.
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The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers
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Ha, yeah definitely got to try some out and see what works.

I have had / seen two different types of SML wheels and both were good / no issues, but I didn't skate them much and passed them on to others who needed wheels, more so because I usually ride and feel most comfortable on Spitfires.

One set was very white, which seemed harder at first, the other set more milky, and was a bit softer / had more grip.  I guess being one of the many brands who use other wheels, it is just one of those things.

See this post for the slight differences, not counting the coloured wheels at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIvCnLJ34T/
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So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability.

The other ones on the right are our OG formula from Aend They are closer to a Bones STF. They have a high rebound so they won't flat spot it doesn't have to do with the hardness as much as the high quality of urethane . So they do take a little more effort on the slide but I personally love them.

The duro is the same 99a on both but they both have their own feel.

I hope this info is helpful and thanks for the support!!
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From @cliff

Riding a set of the OG Wide 99a 52mm and I'm really liking them, right up there with Spitfire and Bones and would even rank them above OJ / Ricta. Very consistent slides and no slip outs on the slick metal bench I've been skating. Liked them more than the F4 99a Classics I rode a few months back.
Oh fuck yeah! thank you so much for this! I didn’t realize they had two different formulas going on so that’s good to know :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backside_frontside on December 27, 2021, 04:16:37 PM
Don’t have much to add but to the pals above re:SML I bought two sets of those Tom Knox wheels cuz I wanted conical wheels but I got a flat spot after like less than a month of skating them. Did a 180 over a ledge and bam, flat spot, and I don’t powerslide much. Not sure what to do with the other set I bought lol.

Got me some Satoris (conical) and I love em.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 27, 2021, 07:33:26 PM
Don’t have much to add but to the pals above re:SML I bought two sets of those Tom Knox wheels cuz I wanted conical wheels but I got a flat spot after like less than a month of skating them. Did a 180 over a ledge and bam, flat spot, and I don’t powerslide much. Not sure what to do with the other set I bought lol.

Got me some Satoris (conical) and I love em.

That's a shame about the SML ones, learned some 180s out of grinds and the SML ones held up well through all the sliding on the ground. 99a is my go to, can't do 101a anymore.

I like the Satori Slims, they have a similar shape as Autobahn Street Slims, maybe even a hair narrower. If you want something skinnier than a Bones V3 these are a great choice, love that narrow profile for pinchy grinds. But for pushing on rough asphalt definitely no bueno.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JJ_Skates on December 28, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
Just got my my full conical F4's and mini logos in! My Quantum bearing Isotopes are coming in soon and I'll be putting them on the Spitfires once I get em.

The mini logos are on my Bones STF V1 in 54mm + 103a. I'm gonna beat the shit outta them. The Spits + Quantum combo will be my "nice" setup.
(https://i.ibb.co/tCF9qwr/IMG-20211228-141011.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tCF9qwr)

(https://i.ibb.co/mzZQR9H/IMG-20211228-141631.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mzZQR9H)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goingapelikenigo on January 05, 2022, 01:25:26 AM
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my pink spitfire skate like a girl f4s wore down and flatspotted extremely quickly. was excited to try a coloured pair of wheels but now i feel like the dye they use fuck with their formula or something. i haven't even skated a lot of rough ground recently, mostly the local indoor which is mostly wooden.
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A coworker of mine got a chunk out of his. Did you find them softer feeling almost? My black classic fulls have been noted to feel a little softer by most people who have tried my setup.
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yes i got a little chunk out of mine too actually, there is like a little chunk peeling off and barely hanging on.
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DLXSF customer service to the rescue, constantly impressed with them. As long as you have proof of purchase and send evidence documenting it, they are helpful. Time to break out the calipers to prove the wear is faster than average.
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gonna try to get in contact with them, thanks!

Update

i'm getting a new pair of wheels!
dlxsf was very nice to deal with and i'm now getting a new pair of wheels from the distribution here in sweden.
seems like i'm getting a pair of 54mm 99du conicals, thanks for the help @rocklobster didn't even think about contacting them before lol.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on January 14, 2022, 06:33:44 PM
Anyone buy those Kader radial fulls/if so how are they?  I promised myself I wouldn’t waste money on wheels or trucks for a while but I keep looking at that shape and it just looks so good.  Might have to break that promise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 14, 2022, 10:27:59 PM
How's the experience on NFG wheels been?

Rode them for 1 session today (54mm Square), biggest adjustment was size going up from 51mm to 54mm. The lock in was beautiful and fast on smooth concrete. Slide was a little sticky at first but got manageable an hour in.

Hardness wise they feel right between a F4 101a and STF 103a, they are listed as 52D.  Was definitely feeling the vibrations when pushing on rough asphalt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 16, 2022, 06:50:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nVqu5hml.png)
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Scooped these off eBay just to have em. Anyone skate them back in the day and recall if they were any good?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 17, 2022, 02:47:46 PM

Scooped these off eBay just to have em. Anyone skate them back in the day and recall if they were any good?


Damn those things bring back memories!


Yes I had lots (and still have some) but compared to Formula Four, they are like the old vintage car that people take out for a Sunday drive.  Well not quite, as I still have quite a few setups with old Spitfires on, most yellowed but still amazing to skate.

Spitfire wheels used to wear down quickly and flatspot easily when still brand new fresh white, but the older ones tended to harden up some and skate way better.  The colour often put a lot of people off though - getting called onions and similar - but usually never had half the issues with them in that state as per when they were new.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on January 17, 2022, 03:32:56 PM
Chet Childress used to skate those Hardlines before he was on OJ.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on January 17, 2022, 04:18:34 PM
I remember being able to get good blank 48mm white wheels for $15 a set. New set every time I got a new deck. Fresh little white marbles to roll around on.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: realbasedgod112 on January 17, 2022, 05:07:50 PM
How can I accurately measure the contact patch on my wheels? I like how they've worn down from the original size, and I want to check so I can choose another pair that suits my preferences.
I didn't want to use a ruler as there's not much of a way to tell where the surface starts and ends, so mainly I was wondering if there's anything I can run them over like dye or paint.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggot cunt on January 18, 2022, 02:32:17 AM
How can I accurately measure the contact patch on my wheels? I like how they've worn down from the original size, and I want to check so I can choose another pair that suits my preferences.
I didn't want to use a ruler as there's not much of a way to tell where the surface starts and ends, so mainly I was wondering if there's anything I can run them over like dye or paint.

puddle
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 18, 2022, 04:31:58 AM
How can I accurately measure the contact patch on my wheels? I like how they've worn down from the original size, and I want to check so I can choose another pair that suits my preferences.
I didn't want to use a ruler as there's not much of a way to tell where the surface starts and ends, so mainly I was wondering if there's anything I can run them over like dye or paint.


Any indoor area or under cover carpark that has a layer of built up car dust should coat the wheels fairly well, as they usually end up black on the riding surface, then simple to get rid of too, just by riding over something more coarse like raw concrete and carving a bit.


Calipers are handy for measuring things like wheels, be it the diameter, the width, the contact patch or surface area.

Often very cheap too, from places like two dollar stores, some hardware warehouse type places and ebay.


(https://www.beautystuff.com.au/assets/full/TH7145.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: QUIT SINNIN on January 18, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
Does anyone out there make a novelty 40mm wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: white guy in a durag on January 18, 2022, 04:06:47 PM
boardy cakes has a 39
https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-39mm-103a-drip-drops-1
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: user18081971 on January 18, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
sml has a 40,46, and 49 I would wager that urethane is better than bc,
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 19, 2022, 12:05:41 AM
Anyone had 99a slimeballs before? Thoughts compared to 97 or 99 f4s?
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 19, 2022, 07:28:15 AM
sml has a 40,46, and 49 I would wager that urethane is better than bc,

At least with the 45s and 49s, they're the AG formula which is actually the same as BC (Creative Urethane 99a). Skated some of the BC 49mm 99s and was genuinely impressed with how well they handled one crusty spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on January 19, 2022, 09:25:37 AM
Anybody have any experience with, or know anything about Mass Transit wheels? I'm always intrigued by smaller brands like this and they look nice.
https://www.instagram.com/masstransitwheels/ (https://www.instagram.com/masstransitwheels/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 19, 2022, 11:21:55 AM
Switching to classic 55mm's instead of the OG classic 55mm's ive been skating all fall and winter. Cant stand hard, "wide riding surface but thin profile" aggressively square wheels. No purpose for ledges and flip tricks (round edge makes a difference), and I need more truck space smh

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: slothrop on January 20, 2022, 08:03:46 PM
Was curious which durometer the the loophole wheels are? 52d  or 95a? they are NFG manufactured correct?
speaking of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e97O0_drnRI
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 20, 2022, 08:14:41 PM
Was curious which durometer the the loophole wheels are? 52d  or 95a? they are NFG manufactured correct?
speaking of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e97O0_drnRI

I think loophole is only the 52d. NFG makes them and on their site they sell both duros
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: slothrop on January 21, 2022, 12:19:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARhGFCYNeQU
kinda humorous  when the heavy music starts and the epic handicap ramp roll in footage starts
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on January 21, 2022, 02:24:58 PM
Anyone buy those Kader radial fulls/if so how are they?  I promised myself I wouldn’t waste money on wheels or trucks for a while but I keep looking at that shape and it just looks so good.  Might have to break that promise.

Update for anyone who’s interested - I ended up getting the radial fulls in 57 mm and they’re insane.  The contact patch is about the same width as a comparable conical full but with an extra couple mm’s of pure rounded-ness added onto both edges.  The bearing sits decently deep in the wheel too so they don’t stick out too bad on your trucks.  Get some young Fred Gall setup vibes looking at them on my board and they roll up into slappies very easily.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 21, 2022, 03:36:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARhGFCYNeQU
kinda humorous  when the heavy music starts and the epic handicap ramp roll in footage starts

Interesting shedding light on how things worked behind the scenes with the NFG owner and Spitfire before his departure, there was def rumors about him leaving and how it had something to do with shortages for awhile. Also weird how those NFG's are really white even in his footage and not the thumbnail. They are always naturally potato colored.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: slothrop on January 22, 2022, 12:34:08 PM
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kinda humorous  when the heavy music starts and the epic handicap ramp roll in footage starts
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Interesting shedding light on how things worked behind the scenes with the NFG owner and Spitfire before his departure, there was def rumors about him leaving and how it had something to do with shortages for awhile. Also weird how those NFG's are really white even in his footage and not the thumbnail. They are always naturally potato colored.
yeah i agree i actually have a exact set on the bench beside my computer was questioning why his were so white aswell.
wonder why NFG has never gone about making a team i know essentially loophole is that but still.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 22, 2022, 04:25:18 PM
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kinda humorous  when the heavy music starts and the epic handicap ramp roll in footage starts
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Interesting shedding light on how things worked behind the scenes with the NFG owner and Spitfire before his departure, there was def rumors about him leaving and how it had something to do with shortages for awhile. Also weird how those NFG's are really white even in his footage and not the thumbnail. They are always naturally potato colored.
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yeah i agree i actually have a exact set on the bench beside my computer was questioning why his were so white aswell.
wonder why NFG has never gone about making a team i know essentially loophole is that but still.


That was an interesting watch.

Also feel like I have heard before that he didn't invent Formula Four, as they were in development years before, initially coming out in 2013 and he started working there in 2014 to improve production and assist with development of the product, but who knows exactly who, what, when, etc.  I am not one to get into the old "somebody said this, then someone else said that" type of thing, or push an agenda or perspective based on rumours, but if anyone had any more info, it would be interesting to hear it.

Either way, Spitfire Formula Four is an amazing wheel and from what I have heard and seen, NFG is making really good wheels as well, though I am yet to see any or actually skate them.

Bones seems to have fallen from where they were, maybe trying too hard to make a wheel that was more like Spitfire Formula Four, but either way, they had probably the best rolling, longest lasting wheel for a long, long time.

Then below that, there is everything else.

In saying that, contrary to his statement about fewer wheel brands now than ten years ago, I think there are still a lot of smaller wheel companies out there, but many shops are just not selling their wheels, as many more people are riding the wheels that work for them and anything else is second best.


As far as NFG having a team or anything, they are still such a small manufacturer, so there is no real option for much besides making the product and getting it out to whoever wants it, but as said, Loophole Wheels is almost more like their main (but not only) brand who do have a promo budget, team, etc.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on January 23, 2022, 06:23:38 AM
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kinda humorous  when the heavy music starts and the epic handicap ramp roll in footage starts
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Interesting shedding light on how things worked behind the scenes with the NFG owner and Spitfire before his departure, there was def rumors about him leaving and how it had something to do with shortages for awhile. Also weird how those NFG's are really white even in his footage and not the thumbnail. They are always naturally potato colored.
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yeah i agree i actually have a exact set on the bench beside my computer was questioning why his were so white aswell.
wonder why NFG has never gone about making a team i know essentially loophole is that but still.
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Also feel like I have heard before that he didn't invent Formula Four, as they were in development years before, initially coming out in 2013 and he started working there in 2014 to improve production and assist with development of the product, but who knows exactly who, what, when, etc.  I am not one to get into the old "somebody said this, then someone else said that" type of thing, or push an agenda or perspective based on rumours, but if anyone had any more info, it would be interesting to hear it.

Thing is, I doubt any one person "invented" the Spitfire Formula Four. It was a team of chemists. Still though - being a skater with a PhD in chemistry, specializing in polyurethane and working for DLX on the production of what's widely considered the best all around skateboard wheel ever made - are really all the credentials I could ever need to see.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 02:33:10 PM
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kinda humorous  when the heavy music starts and the epic handicap ramp roll in footage starts
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Interesting shedding light on how things worked behind the scenes with the NFG owner and Spitfire before his departure, there was def rumors about him leaving and how it had something to do with shortages for awhile. Also weird how those NFG's are really white even in his footage and not the thumbnail. They are always naturally potato colored.
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yeah i agree i actually have a exact set on the bench beside my computer was questioning why his were so white aswell.
wonder why NFG has never gone about making a team i know essentially loophole is that but still.
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Also feel like I have heard before that he didn't invent Formula Four, as they were in development years before, initially coming out in 2013 and he started working there in 2014 to improve production and assist with development of the product, but who knows exactly who, what, when, etc.  I am not one to get into the old "somebody said this, then someone else said that" type of thing, or push an agenda or perspective based on rumours, but if anyone had any more info, it would be interesting to hear it.
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Thing is, I doubt any one person "invented" the Spitfire Formula Four. It was a team of chemists. Still though - being a skater with a PhD in chemistry, specializing in polyurethane and working for DLX on the production of what's widely considered the best all around skateboard wheel ever made - are really all the credentials I could ever need to see.


Yeah I found it interesting to read the information on NFG and even the name - "No Fucks Given" - a result of some unhappiness there, so who knows exactly what went down, but at least now there is another decent wheel in production, even if it is in shorter supply, limited distribution and startup issues at first, the options for that alone with the 95 duro formula and the normal wheels in decent shapes is a plus for the skateboarding world.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 25, 2022, 12:37:14 PM
For those who have skated both the NFG 95a and 52d: How does the slide on the 95a compare? For some reason I remember someone posting that they actually slid better than the 52d, but now I can't find mention of it anywhere?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 25, 2022, 02:52:31 PM
For those who have skated both the NFG 95a and 52d: How does the slide on the 95a compare? For some reason I remember someone posting that they actually slid better than the 52d, but now I can't find mention of it anywhere?


I think that might have been one person, but almost all have said the normal wheel option skates really well and slides exactly how you would expect them to (which from their instagram was said to "equate roughly to 103, even though the scale only goes up to 100" by whoever commented back from the NFG account).


That said, some other brands of harder duro wheels I have found just do not slide as well as some softer duro wheels, so as far as different batches or even different compounds, so I am sure there might be some things to iron out with the NFG production there as well.

Still never seen them or been in a position to buy a set, but people certainly are liking them a whole lot.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 25, 2022, 03:09:00 PM
For those who have skated both the NFG 95a and 52d: How does the slide on the 95a compare? For some reason I remember someone posting that they actually slid better than the 52d, but now I can't find mention of it anywhere?

I have one set of 95a Vee shape and have skated four sets of the 52d. The 52d urethane is inconsistent in how it slides, so some of those wheels slide better than the 95a and some worse, meaning they seem to grip more. One set of square shape slid great, the other were way grippier. I found the Vee shapes in the harder duro all seemed to slide the same or worse than the 95’s. The tear drop shape I tried was by far the grippiest of all (52d). Temperature seemed to have a drastic effect on the slide too as the same wheels would seem to slide different on hot or cold days. Maybe there was another factor I don’t understand but temp seemed to be the factor for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 25, 2022, 06:08:19 PM
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I have one set of 95a Vee shape and have skated four sets of the 52d. The 52d urethane is inconsistent in how it slides, so some of those wheels slide better than the 95a and some worse, meaning they seem to grip more. One set of square shape slid great, the other were way grippier. I found the Vee shapes in the harder duro all seemed to slide the same or worse than the 95’s. The tear drop shape I tried was by far the grippiest of all (52d). Temperature seemed to have a drastic effect on the slide too as the same wheels would seem to slide different on hot or cold days. Maybe there was another factor I don’t understand but temp seemed to be the factor for me.

Word, thank you. Maybe I got the idea from something you posted. I've skated two sets of the 52D wheels, both 56mm V-shape. I love how they perform rolling but the slide (from my experience) is not as good as an F4 or even a creative 99. Wanna give the 95 a shot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 25, 2022, 06:25:26 PM
My 56 v-cuts slide better than any other wheel I’ve ever owned, but yeah there are inconsistencies with their batches…
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 25, 2022, 06:48:08 PM
My 56 v-cuts slide better than any other wheel I’ve ever owned, but yeah there are inconsistencies with their batches…

Word, still want to give the 95a go. Even if they don't slide super well, if they handle crust even better than the 52d I'm down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on January 25, 2022, 07:26:31 PM
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Interesting shedding light on how things worked behind the scenes with the NFG owner and Spitfire before his departure, there was def rumors about him leaving and how it had something to do with shortages for awhile. Also weird how those NFG's are really white even in his footage and not the thumbnail. They are always naturally potato colored.
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yeah i agree i actually have a exact set on the bench beside my computer was questioning why his were so white aswell.
wonder why NFG has never gone about making a team i know essentially loophole is that but still.
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That was an interesting watch.

Also feel like I have heard before that he didn't invent Formula Four, as they were in development years before, initially coming out in 2013 and he started working there in 2014 to improve production and assist with development of the product, but who knows exactly who, what, when, etc.  I am not one to get into the old "somebody said this, then someone else said that" type of thing, or push an agenda or perspective based on rumours, but if anyone had any more info, it would be interesting to hear it.


This is accurate
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 25, 2022, 07:53:09 PM
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For those who have skated both the NFG 95a and 52d: How does the slide on the 95a compare? For some reason I remember someone posting that they actually slid better than the 52d, but now I can't find mention of it anywhere?
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I have one set of 95a Vee shape and have skated four sets of the 52d. The 52d urethane is inconsistent in how it slides, so some of those wheels slide better than the 95a and some worse, meaning they seem to grip more. One set of square shape slid great, the other were way grippier. I found the Vee shapes in the harder duro all seemed to slide the same or worse than the 95’s. The tear drop shape I tried was by far the grippiest of all (52d). Temperature seemed to have a drastic effect on the slide too as the same wheels would seem to slide different on hot or cold days. Maybe there was another factor I don’t understand but temp seemed to be the factor for me.
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Word, thank you. Maybe I got the idea from something you posted. I've skated two sets of the 52D wheels, both 56mm V-shape. I love how they perform rolling but the slide (from my experience) is not as good as an F4 or even a creative 99. Wanna give the 95 a shot.

No problem!

Yeah the rolling is great! Iirc they got new equipment recently (think they did a gofundme) so maybe this will help with the consistency issues. I got all mine before that point, so I’m up to try them again if they get that slide consistent
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on January 30, 2022, 06:25:45 PM
Which shape for NFG/Loophole 52d? I already have Spitfire conical fulls in 97a, I like the wide surface area but get mad wheelbite from the square edges
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 30, 2022, 06:38:09 PM
Which shape for NFG/Loophole 52d? I already have Spitfire conical fulls in 97a, I like the wide surface area but get mad wheelbite from the square edges
square if you want a balance between the more techy teardrop and v-cut and like radial slims. V-cuts in 56mm are so good tho!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LostBearings on January 30, 2022, 07:10:19 PM
Went from lock-ins to radials and they're alright. Anybody know why spitfire discontinued lock-ins? Perhaps they have a shipment on backorder but damn that wheel felt so good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 30, 2022, 09:59:07 PM
Went from lock-ins to radials and they're alright. Anybody know why spitfire discontinued lock-ins? Perhaps they have a shipment on backorder but damn that wheel felt so good.


They are still on the lists, but there haven't seemed to be many (if any) out there, so I might go with shortages and having limited supply of materials, so they are making more of the highest sellers, or what was on the priority list of new wheels they were doing.

I think a lot of people are skating Tablets (the same as the lock in side) or Conical Full (the other more rounded side) so having an asymmetrical wheel was a little less of interest.

If either side is more of interest, one of those two wheels might be worthwhile looking at.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 30, 2022, 10:46:46 PM
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Which shape for NFG/Loophole 52d? I already have Spitfire conical fulls in 97a, I like the wide surface area but get mad wheelbite from the square edges
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square if you want a balance between the more techy teardrop and v-cut and like radial slims. V-cuts in 56mm are so good tho!

2 weeks in and I'm really liking the Square shape, I'm getting much better lock-ins on my grinds and my Nosegrinds have been longer than ever. Despite being almost 103a they are grippier than a Bones STF and feel way less plastic-y. Would have preferred them in 52mm for a lighter tech setup but 2mm isn't too great a step up.

Props to @Gray Imp Sausage Metal for being the biggest NFG advocate on here, Square is such a sick shape!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on January 31, 2022, 02:00:11 AM
I‘ve been eyeballing the SF F4 48mm Lil Smokies. Any opinions pro or con? I‘m on some Bones 100s at around 48mm atm. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on January 31, 2022, 02:48:59 AM
Went from lock-ins to radials and they're alright. Anybody know why spitfire discontinued lock-ins? Perhaps they have a shipment on backorder but damn that wheel felt so good.

I think lock-ins worked the best for 5050s, 5-0s, nosegrinds and smiths but for crooked grinds they felt weird due to the sharp and straight inner edge. I had the same problem with tablets. Conicals/Con Fulls have been the best all-around wheel for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on January 31, 2022, 07:06:06 AM
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Which shape for NFG/Loophole 52d? I already have Spitfire conical fulls in 97a, I like the wide surface area but get mad wheelbite from the square edges
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square if you want a balance between the more techy teardrop and v-cut and like radial slims. V-cuts in 56mm are so good tho!
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2 weeks in and I'm really liking the Square shape, I'm getting much better lock-ins on my grinds and my Nosegrinds have been longer than ever. Despite being almost 103a they are grippier than a Bones STF and feel way less plastic-y. Would have preferred them in 52mm for a lighter tech setup but 2mm isn't too great a step up.

Props to @Gray Imp Sausage Metal for being the biggest NFG advocate on here, Square is such a sick shape!

I gotta say, it's amazing how much better of a 100a+ wheel this is than anything I've own by Bones. I swore off hard wheels after getting my fillings rattled loose on some 101a Bones, but these wheels, despite a harder durometer, skate much smoother and grip much better. It's great that NFG is offering something novel instead of another shrink-wrapped Creative Urethane product.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrozenIndustries on January 31, 2022, 07:13:15 AM
I‘ve been eyeballing the SF F4 48mm Lil Smokies. Any opinions pro or con? I‘m on some Bones 100s at around 48mm atm. Thanks in advance.

Had the 50mm lil smokey tablets and they were the best small wheel I've ever skated. They handled rough ground really well  and lasted a while. Skated them until they were like 44/45.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on January 31, 2022, 07:33:36 AM
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I‘ve been eyeballing the SF F4 48mm Lil Smokies. Any opinions pro or con? I‘m on some Bones 100s at around 48mm atm. Thanks in advance.
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Had the 50mm lil smokey tablets and they were the best small wheel I've ever skated. They handled rough ground really well  and lasted a while. Skated them until they were like 44/45.

Cheers, that makes it harder to resist buying them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LostBearings on January 31, 2022, 06:10:53 PM
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Went from lock-ins to radials and they're alright. Anybody know why spitfire discontinued lock-ins? Perhaps they have a shipment on backorder but damn that wheel felt so good.
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They are still on the lists, but there haven't seemed to be many (if any) out there, so I might go with shortages and having limited supply of materials, so they are making more of the highest sellers, or what was on the priority list of new wheels they were doing.

I think a lot of people are skating Tablets (the same as the lock in side) or Conical Full (the other more rounded side) so having an asymmetrical wheel was a little less of interest.

If either side is more of interest, one of those two wheels might be worthwhile looking at.

Thanks for the insight. I was looking for something with similar width/riding surface and radial is where I landed. I'll give some conical fulls a look next time I'm at the shop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 31, 2022, 06:45:01 PM
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I‘ve been eyeballing the SF F4 48mm Lil Smokies. Any opinions pro or con? I‘m on some Bones 100s at around 48mm atm. Thanks in advance.
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Had the 50mm lil smokey tablets and they were the best small wheel I've ever skated. They handled rough ground really well  and lasted a while. Skated them until they were like 44/45.
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Cheers, that makes it harder to resist buying them.


At least the benefit of the Lil Smokies is they are the Formula Four urethane for a budget price.

Lots of shapes and a few sizes from 48 up to 51 mm, as well as coming out in both 99 and 101 duros.


Anywhere that has them at the same Formula Four price as all the other wheels is marking them up too much, but it is up to you whether you pay budget prices or not, I guess mainly depending on what is available to you.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: deedohh on February 01, 2022, 12:17:18 AM
  I am thinking of buying some of the NFG Grim 95a PTF Crust - 54mm Vee wheels and I wanna know about how hard it is.  I am currently skating 99a 53mm Conical Full and I have to skate home every day with a backpack.  When I am skating home I feel like every crack just hits so much harder.  So I already know I want a 54mm wheel, but I don't know if 95a is too soft.  Of course I like not feeling bumps, but I also like doing tricks and I don't like that really bouncy feeling you get when doing tricks on cruiser wheels.  I like a more kind of cushion feel where it feels like I am landing on a mattress, but without the bounce you get on a cruiser wheels.  I am also getting into power slides and I don't know if the 95a wheel is too soft to power slide since I only really know how 99a wheels feel.  I am more of a beginner only really knowing tricks up to kickflips and I wanna know if this wheel is still good for doing a little bit more techy tricks, without being too big and sticky.  I also wanna know if these in general are still good if I wanna continue to learn flip trips and stuff that requires moving my board around a bit more and also dealing with rails.  Any feedback is much apricated.  Thank You!!!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 01, 2022, 07:46:40 AM
  I am thinking of buying some of the NFG Grim 95a PTF Crust - 54mm Vee wheels and I wanna know about how hard it is.  I am currently skating 99a 53mm Conical Full and I have to skate home every day with a backpack.  When I am skating home I feel like every crack just hits so much harder.  So I already know I want a 54mm wheel, but I don't know if 95a is too soft.  Of course I like not feeling bumps, but I also like doing tricks and I don't like that really bouncy feeling you get when doing tricks on cruiser wheels.  I like a more kind of cushion feel where it feels like I am landing on a mattress, but without the bounce you get on a cruiser wheels.  I am also getting into power slides and I don't know if the 95a wheel is too soft to power slide since I only really know how 99a wheels feel.  I am more of a beginner only really knowing tricks up to kickflips and I wanna know if this wheel is still good for doing a little bit more techy tricks, without being too big and sticky.  I also wanna know if these in general are still good if I wanna continue to learn flip trips and stuff that requires moving my board around a bit more and also dealing with rails.  Any feedback is much apricated.  Thank You!!!!

They basically take some of the edge off of crust but still feel like a street wheel. Wheels is fine for tech stuff but isn’t a good power slide wheel unless you have decent technique. Stick a bit on ledges for slide tricks for me. I think the F4 97a classic shape might be better for what you want. They take the edge off crust a bit, slide well, and you can do tech stuff just fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 01, 2022, 08:02:57 AM
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  I am thinking of buying some of the NFG Grim 95a PTF Crust - 54mm Vee wheels and I wanna know about how hard it is.  I am currently skating 99a 53mm Conical Full and I have to skate home every day with a backpack.  When I am skating home I feel like every crack just hits so much harder.  So I already know I want a 54mm wheel, but I don't know if 95a is too soft.  Of course I like not feeling bumps, but I also like doing tricks and I don't like that really bouncy feeling you get when doing tricks on cruiser wheels.  I like a more kind of cushion feel where it feels like I am landing on a mattress, but without the bounce you get on a cruiser wheels.  I am also getting into power slides and I don't know if the 95a wheel is too soft to power slide since I only really know how 99a wheels feel.  I am more of a beginner only really knowing tricks up to kickflips and I wanna know if this wheel is still good for doing a little bit more techy tricks, without being too big and sticky.  I also wanna know if these in general are still good if I wanna continue to learn flip trips and stuff that requires moving my board around a bit more and also dealing with rails.  Any feedback is much apricated.  Thank You!!!!
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They basically take some of the edge off of crust but still feel like a street wheel. Wheels is fine for techno stuff but isn’t a good power slide wheel unless you have decent technique. Stick a bit on ledges for slide tricks for me. I think the F4 97a classic shape might be better for what you want. They take the edge off crust a bit, slide well, and you can do techno stuff just fine.

95a square might be a good middle ground if the itch to try nfg is really getting to someone, but yeah 95 vee's can stick a bit on ledges depending on the situation vs square i found to be a bit smoother in that regard. might also help the power slides b/c of the smaller contact surface ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on February 01, 2022, 08:18:26 AM
NFG V's are pretty close to Spitfire OG Classic shape, so a real sharp, bite-y corner. I can't speak to the feel as I haven't seen dry pavement since the middle of december, so I haven't tested mine.  Also, bigger rolls over shit better than softer, but size preferance is highly individual. 

Shameless plug:  I've got some 53mm slimeballs & 54mm conical full spitfire 97a wheels over in the classifieds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on February 01, 2022, 10:19:19 AM
What's up with the new quasi protothane wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on February 01, 2022, 12:03:48 PM
  I am thinking of buying some of the NFG Grim 95a PTF Crust - 54mm Vee wheels and I wanna know about how hard it is.  I am currently skating 99a 53mm Conical Full and I have to skate home every day with a backpack.  When I am skating home I feel like every crack just hits so much harder.  So I already know I want a 54mm wheel, but I don't know if 95a is too soft.  Of course I like not feeling bumps, but I also like doing tricks and I don't like that really bouncy feeling you get when doing tricks on cruiser wheels.  I like a more kind of cushion feel where it feels like I am landing on a mattress, but without the bounce you get on a cruiser wheels.  I am also getting into power slides and I don't know if the 95a wheel is too soft to power slide since I only really know how 99a wheels feel.  I am more of a beginner only really knowing tricks up to kickflips and I wanna know if this wheel is still good for doing a little bit more techy tricks, without being too big and sticky.  I also wanna know if these in general are still good if I wanna continue to learn flip trips and stuff that requires moving my board around a bit more and also dealing with rails.  Any feedback is much apricated.  Thank You!!!!

The 95A formula is great for what you’re describing, but I would consider the squares if you’re trying to learn flip tricks and stuff. I’ve ridden them at a concrete park here and there and I think they even slide and bark better than expected.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: con_hielo on February 01, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
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Anyone know what wheels are these? Can't say if they're 56 or 58mm conical full and 97a or 99a ahah.

P.S. The heel drag on the manny ender ( ''0_0)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Space Cowboy on February 01, 2022, 04:13:48 PM
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Anyone know what wheels are these? Can't say if they're 56 or 58mm conical full and 97a or 99a ahah.

P.S. The heel drag on the manny ender ( ''0_0)

I would agree that they are a conical full, probably a 56. also 99d would be a typical hardness for them if they are F4 conical fulls like I am assuming
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2022, 11:57:44 AM
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P.S. The heel drag on the manny ender ( ''0_0)


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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on February 02, 2022, 02:34:43 PM
What's up with the new quasi protothane wheels?
Came here to ask the same thing. Using the B scale too so they're 83B. Creative or nah?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on February 02, 2022, 05:28:19 PM
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Came here to ask the same thing. Using the B scale too so they're 83B. Creative or nah?
This is what I was thinking too. They are the super white color that creative use so I wouldn't be surprised. I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on February 02, 2022, 06:48:08 PM
Anyone tried ricta crystal cores 95a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on February 03, 2022, 05:28:13 AM
Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2022, 10:13:36 AM
Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.

I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 03, 2022, 11:34:52 AM
Quasi claims they “stole the formul” whatever that means. I’m not sure why they would get into the whee game if they were just using Creative. No real incentive since most of their pros are sponsored by Spitfire and would be going to an inferior product.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 03, 2022, 07:56:51 PM
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Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.
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I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.


Hitting the search with WAYWARD in the box comes up with some interesting info, as well as conversations from us and many others.



@onkalo   Curious as to why you didn't want / like the Wayward wheels?


I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on February 03, 2022, 10:14:04 PM
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Are Waywards creative? Thinking of getting some sml or Dial Tone but I hated the Waywards so much I want to make sure I'm not wasting my money.
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I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.
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Hitting the search with WAYWARD in the box comes up with some interesting info, as well as conversations from us and many others.



@onkalo   Curious as to why you didn't want / like the Wayward wheels?


I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?

I didn’t like them because they felt really slow, super hard and they didn’t slide. Then I did a high speed 2 meters long powerslide and they flatted. I had 101a funnel cut 50mm’s. They were some of the older ones and I bought them off discount. Now I’m on Bones 100’s and they feel way better (than the Waywards), and I still like them after skating F4’s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 03:20:57 AM
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I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?
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I didn’t like them because they felt really slow, super hard and they didn’t slide. Then I did a high speed 2 meters long powerslide and they flatted. I had 101a funnel cut 50mm’s. They were some of the older ones and I bought them off discount. Now I’m on Bones 100’s and they feel way better (than the Waywards), and I still like them after skating F4’s.


Thanks for the reply.

Yes now you mention the lack of slide factor, I think I recall them feeling very sticky even though they were a hard wheel.


So many people will ride Bones or Spitfire but not touch anything else any more, so it is just one of those things.

I guess for those that have access to them, they often get NFG / Loophole wheels too, just to throw another one in the mix.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 05, 2022, 02:15:55 PM
lowkey bones 100s be hitting on smooth asphalt/LA school kinda ground. They dont really flatspot unless ur on super sandpapery surfaces and they feel really smooth in the wider shapes (light-footed powersliding feels kinda like sliding around on ice cubes in my experience, not really like spitfire where it barks a little bit)

they do definitely feel slower in the smaller sizes and they only make up till 55mm so
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 05, 2022, 06:12:16 PM
Do Loopholes still have the vanity sizing where they measure smaller? Considering a set and no shops have them in stock and last time my 52 were like 50.4 outta the box.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 06, 2022, 02:31:09 AM
Do Loopholes still have the vanity sizing where they measure smaller? Considering a set and no shops have them in stock and last time my 52 were like 50.4 outta the box.


I think people on here (or even the person looking after their instagram account) had said their previous quality control issues had been rectified and things were looking a lot more professional now, in so many words.

Not sure if they still have the special sale on that was shown on the sale thread and elsewhere, but it would be a good time to get them, if you were within the US or at least within a reasonable shipping distance.


Still yet to see or try any, but I have way too many other wheels and being in AU, I cannot justify paying close to AU RRP for something that I really don't need.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 06, 2022, 06:30:55 AM
Do Loopholes still have the vanity sizing where they measure smaller? Considering a set and no shops have them in stock and last time my 52 were like 50.4 outta the box.

got some 54s over the holidays that are smaller than some worn down F4 54s I have but I did not measure properly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Carter on February 06, 2022, 06:52:30 AM
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I'm going to say no, only due to when  I rode them, they felt nothing like the generic, non-sliding, overly white and grippy thane that usually comes out of there..they actually feel pretty close to F4s, like 85% of the way there..

I found nothing wrong with them other than feeling a little slow in a smooth park setting, but I'm one of those freaks that likes the hardest wheel possible on smooth concrete.
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Hitting the search with WAYWARD in the box comes up with some interesting info, as well as conversations from us and many others.



@onkalo   Curious as to why you didn't want / like the Wayward wheels?


I always come back to the "They are not Spitfire or Bones..." so everything else is put in the "other" category for me, even though I have a lot of different brands of wheels still set up on boards, but was there anything specific about your experience with them?
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I didn’t like them because they felt really slow, super hard and they didn’t slide. Then I did a high speed 2 meters long powerslide and they flatted. I had 101a funnel cut 50mm’s. They were some of the older ones and I bought them off discount. Now I’m on Bones 100’s and they feel way better (than the Waywards), and I still like them after skating F4’s.

had wayward once and tried to speed check at the park and almost ate shit cause they didn't let me power slide. took em right off and gave em to a little local for free.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: realbasedgod112 on February 06, 2022, 03:29:31 PM
this might be more of a bearing than a wheel question, but oh well .

has anyone else had bearings just fall out of the wheel? not like blowing out when it falls apart, just being super loose and going in/out with no effort at all.
it just started happening to me yesterday, i'm thinking it might be a problem with my wheel size as they're getting to <50mm. it was fairly warm (25c) yesterday if that helps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jrb32 on February 06, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
Anyone know any skinny/slim wheels similar to the bones v3 in a 50-51mm? Been using the v3 shape for years now, but they havent been making any 101-103a wheels the last year or so in 50mm Only 99a. The satori super slim wheels look similar, also interested in the crupie skinny wheels might be the same width, cant find any specs on them though for widths. &#129335;&#127995;‍♂️
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 06, 2022, 04:24:40 PM
this might be more of a bearing than a wheel question, but oh well .

has anyone else had bearings just fall out of the wheel? not like blowing out when it falls apart, just being super loose and going in/out with no effort at all.
it just started happening to me yesterday, i'm thinking it might be a problem with my wheel size as they're getting to <50mm. it was fairly warm (25c) yesterday if that helps.


Definitely a wheel issue, not a bearing issue.

Some wheels do tend to blow out or loosen up too much in the bearing seats, while others are so tight it is an absolute pain to get bearings in or out, even with lube.

If bearings are coming loose, you can either try to keep washers, bearing spacers and everything almost as tight as they can be which should hold your wheels in a little better, or if it is bugging you too much, replace the wheels.  Some people have tried to wedge things in there with the bearings, but that often doesn't work as the wheels are urethane (like rubber) and will change shape as pushed, so jamming something else in there will only widen out the bearing seat more.

I had a set that after doing something that put pressure on the wheel, like a smith grind, the bearings would seem to stop spinning, so after each run I had to push the wheel back onto the bearings to make sure it was rolling smoothly again.  That got old very quickly, so as I wasn't about to NOT do certain tricks, I swapped the wheels out.

If it is just one wheel and keeps happening in a certain position or as I had, with certain tricks, you could rotate the wheels to see if that helps too, but most likely when something like this happens, there is not a whole lot you can do about it.

Having some crusty old rusted outers on one set of bearings did help with one set of wheels like that, as the rust expanded and stayed in the wheel, but I would not be creating a rusty bearing situation just to have the wheel sit better on the bearings.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: deedohh on February 06, 2022, 08:35:06 PM
I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthunderw on February 06, 2022, 09:43:07 PM
I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.
56 Classics are &#128076;
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 06, 2022, 09:49:50 PM
58s are big, 56s are a tonne of fun!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 06, 2022, 10:24:10 PM
Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on February 07, 2022, 12:09:42 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/FgZ1ygC/1-DB28-ED1-605-B-40-B4-A30-D-202137-CEBA84.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgZ1ygC)(https://i.ibb.co/C6vVc8g/2745-A937-F8-A8-4289-9-A53-5698-CA8-CAD0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6vVc8g)(https://i.ibb.co/T1fzPZr/46526-DF8-5-D4-F-4-D4-F-98-D2-437-A96013-B9-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T1fzPZr) (https://ibb.co/RbCBzBb)
NFG 56mm Vee factory seconds. Measures consistently 55mm on all sides of each on low quality calipers. Shape compared to a 56mm Spit conical full. Makes ya wonder if other manufacturers melt down the duds to reuse or they go to a landfill.

(https://i.ibb.co/LYhdjgT/CAD01-F28-85-B6-42-F1-846-E-C7-CF4-E0-BE693.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LYhdjgT)
I’ve used a dremel for wheel wells on a few boards and it sucks every time. Messy, loud, weird angles, takes 10 of the disposable sander wheels cuz they blow out so quick. Cheap woodcarving chisel kit from Harbor Freight and a hammer is way better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 07, 2022, 12:23:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/FgZ1ygC/1-DB28-ED1-605-B-40-B4-A30-D-202137-CEBA84.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgZ1ygC)(https://i.ibb.co/C6vVc8g/2745-A937-F8-A8-4289-9-A53-5698-CA8-CAD0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6vVc8g)(https://i.ibb.co/T1fzPZr/46526-DF8-5-D4-F-4-D4-F-98-D2-437-A96013-B9-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T1fzPZr) (https://ibb.co/RbCBzBb)
NFG 56mm Vee factory seconds. Measures consistently 55mm on all sides of each on low quality calipers. Shape compared to a 56mm Spit conical full. Makes ya wonder if other manufacturers melt down the duds to reuse or they go to a landfill.

I believe the spitfire 51mm lil smokies f4 tablets are cut from bigger wheels that ended up being duds
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 07, 2022, 01:54:17 PM
Never tried wayward wheels before so I can't say anything about their harder wheels, but I got these for a cruiser and these are the absolute worst wheels I have ever tried. Even on rougher ground they're slower than any small hard wheels, they stick to the ground. You push and immediately feel it slowing down. Feels like your bearings are fucked.
0/10 do not recommend
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 07, 2022, 02:50:59 PM
Anyone know any skinny/slim wheels similar to the bones v3 in a 50-51mm? Been using the v3 shape for years now, but they havent been making any 101-103a wheels the last year or so in 50mm Only 99a. The satori super slim wheels look similar, also interested in the crupie skinny wheels might be the same width, cant find any specs on them though for widths. &#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#129335;&#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#38;#127995;‍♂️

@jrb32 Do you want to stay with that 'classic' style shape it has (basically a skinny V1), rounded sidewall?

Satori is a good bet, very close, but I'd argue that the STF formula is better.

Check out Ricta (I know unpopular brand) but they have a slim natural and a super slim (nyguls wheel) that are great shapes.

Nigel's wheels is a fucking conical slim and I love the shape; I've ridden them off an on for a while with no flatspot issues at all. The 101As are fast and hard as fuck, like SPFs...99a from ricta are more on par with 99s from other brands tho,


Nyjahls super slim
(https://i.ibb.co/tmndJ5k/download.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tmndJ5k)

Here's a link to an older post, shows the V2/Nighgel/V3 https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3384533#msg3384533

The Natural Slim is more of a V1 shape...but they have a variety of shapes based on size.
https://rictawheels.com/wheels#naturals

(https://i.ibb.co/ZcfdsZC/ricta-wheels-ricta-wheels-mccoy-reflective-natural.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZcfdsZC)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2022, 04:15:51 AM
I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.


The sizes you might be looking at besides the Classic 53 are the Classic / Conical Full 54 or Classic 56 so if you wanted something that is a bit more of a get it right now, the 54 mm would probably be best, but if you can deal with a little bit bigger, which will last longer but might be a bit funny at first, then 56 mm is the size to get.

They come out in Classic and Conical Full, so for some the Classic 56 or the Conical Full 54 are going to be more of interest.  Oddly enough I have both those sizes and the 54 mm are a little more comfortable right now for small stuff for me, with the 56 mm Classics on a park / ramp setup more than anything else.



Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?



More often than not people are never exactly straight on (especially on K grinds among others), but even if you are, the rounder edge will grip a whole lot less in a very small point of contact on the wheel, whereas the squared off edge type wheels will grip a whole lot more on much more of the wheel, if that makes sense.

We tried it with three different shapes of wheel on the same spot and the squared off wheels ended up having to use a lot more wax than the rounder profile.  Also the squared off wheel ended up with a lot more wax on the side of the wheel too as a result, almost like it had a built in scraper, which was funny to see.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2022, 04:24:16 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/FgZ1ygC/1-DB28-ED1-605-B-40-B4-A30-D-202137-CEBA84.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgZ1ygC)(https://i.ibb.co/C6vVc8g/2745-A937-F8-A8-4289-9-A53-5698-CA8-CAD0-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C6vVc8g)(https://i.ibb.co/T1fzPZr/46526-DF8-5-D4-F-4-D4-F-98-D2-437-A96013-B9-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T1fzPZr) (https://ibb.co/RbCBzBb)
NFG 56mm Vee factory seconds. Measures consistently 55mm on all sides of each on low quality calipers. Shape compared to a 56mm Spit conical full. Makes ya wonder if other manufacturers melt down the duds to reuse or they go to a landfill.
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I believe the spitfire 51mm lil smokies f4 tablets are cut from bigger wheels that ended up being duds


Never knew that, but it makes sense to recycle wheels in house, shaping them down as something else, compared to some of the "special deals on blank seconds" I know some people used to get from some places, long before all the fake wheels came around, so you kind of knew where they were from but couldn't say, but they still skated great when you could get them and they cost half the price.  As far as I know those sources dried up a while back and I have only seen questionable listings for blank pro brand wheels more recently, that I don't trust now anyway.

I guess too that some places like NFG will have a few more seconds being a smaller startup than some of the bigger places that have automated machines and trained people running the show.  At least they are still wheels that still skate for the most part how they should, even if they are a bit smaller than advertised or have cosmetic blemish issues.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 08, 2022, 11:27:25 AM
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I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.
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The sizes you might be looking at besides the Classic 53 are the Classic / Conical Full 54 or Classic 56 so if you wanted something that is a bit more of a get it right now, the 54 mm would probably be best, but if you can deal with a little bit bigger, which will last longer but might be a bit funny at first, then 56 mm is the size to get.

They come out in Classic and Conical Full, so for some the Classic 56 or the Conical Full 54 are going to be more of interest.  Oddly enough I have both those sizes and the 54 mm are a little more comfortable right now for small stuff for me, with the 56 mm Classics on a park / ramp setup more than anything else.



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Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?
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More often than not people are never exactly straight on (especially on K grinds among others), but even if you are, the rounder edge will grip a whole lot less in a very small point of contact on the wheel, whereas the squared off edge type wheels will grip a whole lot more on much more of the wheel, if that makes sense.

We tried it with three different shapes of wheel on the same spot and the squared off wheels ended up having to use a lot more wax than the rounder profile.  Also the squared off wheel ended up with a lot more wax on the side of the wheel too as a result, almost like it had a built in scraper, which was funny to see.



Round =  easier to get into
Square = bit more effort to slide
Round = easier to slip out of
Square = locks in better

Bones V5 best of bones worlds :P

I actually prefer squared off on smaller trucks and rounder on wider trucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on February 08, 2022, 10:04:35 PM
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I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.
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The sizes you might be looking at besides the Classic 53 are the Classic / Conical Full 54 or Classic 56 so if you wanted something that is a bit more of a get it right now, the 54 mm would probably be best, but if you can deal with a little bit bigger, which will last longer but might be a bit funny at first, then 56 mm is the size to get.

They come out in Classic and Conical Full, so for some the Classic 56 or the Conical Full 54 are going to be more of interest.  Oddly enough I have both those sizes and the 54 mm are a little more comfortable right now for small stuff for me, with the 56 mm Classics on a park / ramp setup more than anything else.



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Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?
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More often than not people are never exactly straight on (especially on K grinds among others), but even if you are, the rounder edge will grip a whole lot less in a very small point of contact on the wheel, whereas the squared off edge type wheels will grip a whole lot more on much more of the wheel, if that makes sense.

We tried it with three different shapes of wheel on the same spot and the squared off wheels ended up having to use a lot more wax than the rounder profile.  Also the squared off wheel ended up with a lot more wax on the side of the wheel too as a result, almost like it had a built in scraper, which was funny to see.


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Round =  easier to get into
Square = bit more effort to slide
Round = easier to slip out of
Square = locks in better

Bones V5 best of bones worlds :P

I actually prefer squared off on smaller trucks and rounder on wider trucks.

I wish spitfire would just rip off the p5/v5 shape already
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on February 08, 2022, 10:12:59 PM
Quasi claims they “stole the formul” whatever that means. I’m not sure why they would get into the whee game if they were just using Creative. No real incentive since most of their pros are sponsored by Spitfire and would be going to an inferior product.

I think the incentive is that they have a popular brand and their own distribution, and if they can buy wheels for $5/set and sell them to stores for $14/set, that's a good return on their investment.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nekro on February 09, 2022, 01:30:36 AM
Can anyone recommend a set of soft cruiser wheels that also slide?  I feel uncomfortable bombing downhill knowing my wheels will grip.  I'm using OJ 87a skate jawn keyyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 09, 2022, 05:55:53 AM
Can anyone recommend a set of soft cruiser wheels that also slide?  I feel uncomfortable bombing downhill knowing my wheels will grip.  I'm using OJ 87a skate jawn keyyframes.

Powell Peralta G-Slides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8UvMqIhu7E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2paVxmGjxLQ

I like my set. They're decently easy to slide once you get used to how they feel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on February 09, 2022, 07:59:33 AM
Anyone know any skinny/slim wheels similar to the bones v3 in a 50-51mm? Been using the v3 shape for years now, but they havent been making any 101-103a wheels the last year or so in 50mm Only 99a. The satori super slim wheels look similar, also interested in the crupie skinny wheels might be the same width, cant find any specs on them though for widths. &#38;#129335;&#38;#127995;‍♂️

So, Id say no for the crupies. They flat spotted fast. I don't mind when a wheel flats, but I hit a rock and the wheel was done. Flat tire, unusable.


I did enjoy my time on the satori. Out of all the wheels they really have the slimmest. The 101a still feel pretty soft though.

primitive makes a 50mm and 51mm 101a. They're always online for cheap. I'm actually thinking of giving a pair of 53mm a try.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on February 09, 2022, 08:12:02 AM
Can anyone recommend a set of soft cruiser wheels that also slide?  I feel uncomfortable bombing downhill knowing my wheels will grip.  I'm using OJ 87a skate jawn keyyframes.

I’ll second G-Slides. I just like them for cruising because 80A is a bit too pillowy for me, but they say they’re designed to be a downhill wheel that slides, so it seems like they’d be worth a try for you. I think they come in 56mm and 59mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 09, 2022, 08:13:24 AM
Can anyone recommend a set of soft cruiser wheels that also slide?  I feel uncomfortable bombing downhill knowing my wheels will grip.  I'm using OJ 87a skate jawn keyyframes.

Powell bombers are great for this. They come big (60mm) and are 85a iirc, but still slide pretty nice. I had the g slides too but I found that after the outer coating wore off, they stopped sliding (a few days). Other folks may have had a different experience with them, but the two sets I had had the same issue.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 09, 2022, 08:44:27 AM
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I decided to get some of the spitfire 97a wheels.  I want to get 56mm, but I have no idea if they are too big.  I basically only skate street and want to know if 56mm may be too big.  I currently ride 53mm and think they are too small.
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The sizes you might be looking at besides the Classic 53 are the Classic / Conical Full 54 or Classic 56 so if you wanted something that is a bit more of a get it right now, the 54 mm would probably be best, but if you can deal with a little bit bigger, which will last longer but might be a bit funny at first, then 56 mm is the size to get.

They come out in Classic and Conical Full, so for some the Classic 56 or the Conical Full 54 are going to be more of interest.  Oddly enough I have both those sizes and the 54 mm are a little more comfortable right now for small stuff for me, with the 56 mm Classics on a park / ramp setup more than anything else.



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Anyone else find that conical-edged wheels around 54 and above tend to "dig into" ledges more on pinchy tricks and cause you to stop grinding? (really feelin at 55 and above)

Feel like these og classics give me more of a pitch than a pinch when i try to lock in on certain shitty ledges.

Does anyone feel that 55-56mm classics/radials grind noticeably faster/smoother on hella sharp concrete-topped ledges?

But why tho does it really make that much of a difference?
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More often than not people are never exactly straight on (especially on K grinds among others), but even if you are, the rounder edge will grip a whole lot less in a very small point of contact on the wheel, whereas the squared off edge type wheels will grip a whole lot more on much more of the wheel, if that makes sense.

We tried it with three different shapes of wheel on the same spot and the squared off wheels ended up having to use a lot more wax than the rounder profile.  Also the squared off wheel ended up with a lot more wax on the side of the wheel too as a result, almost like it had a built in scraper, which was funny to see.


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Round =  easier to get into
Square = bit more effort to slide
Round = easier to slip out of
Square = locks in better

Bones V5 best of bones worlds :P

I actually prefer squared off on smaller trucks and rounder on wider trucks.
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I wish spitfire would just rip off the p5/v5 shape already

It's close...shame they don't bring it back.
(https://i.ibb.co/5k8SKR1/8626e8c888a365ff1b262f03918799b9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5k8SKR1)
(https://i.ibb.co/1Z0SPTW/sf-cat-fall-1-8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1Z0SPTW)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Prinzy on February 09, 2022, 10:10:04 AM
http://www.instagram.com/p/CZw4yRjLoES/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

was not expecting this one
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on February 09, 2022, 10:17:46 AM
everyones doing wheels again.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: europa1991 on February 09, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
They couldn’t put Nick Matthews because they spent the budget on wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 09, 2022, 04:15:49 PM
Board brand wheels rarely if ever work out I don't know why they would do this. Are they just Creative?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on February 09, 2022, 04:43:43 PM
Those treads be telling on them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 09, 2022, 05:27:40 PM
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Anyone know any skinny/slim wheels similar to the bones v3 in a 50-51mm? Been using the v3 shape for years now, but they havent been making any 101-103a wheels the last year or so in 50mm Only 99a. The satori super slim wheels look similar, also interested in the crupie skinny wheels might be the same width, cant find any specs on them though for widths. &#38;#38;#38;#38;#129335;&#38;#38;#38;#38;#127995;‍♂️
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So, Id say no for the crupies. They flat spotted fast. I don't mind when a wheel flats, but I hit a rock and the wheel was done. Flat tire, unusable.


I did enjoy my time on the satori. Out of all the wheels they really have the slimmest. The 101a still feel pretty soft though.

primitive makes a 50mm and 51mm 101a. They're always online for cheap. I'm actually thinking of giving a pair of 53mm a try.

Ditto on Crupie and Satori.

Super Slim looks incredibly slim, skinnier than a V3
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_ba51763aad1343ca96355ca301534f91~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_451,h_584,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/IMG_0081_JPG.webp)

Vinyl cut looks similar to a V3
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_606c11bd73bc415c913a9d2b574eff94~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_455,h_580,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/IMG_0084_JPG.webp)

Bones
(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20201105/BONES-V-SHAPE-SLIDER-V3-SLIMS.jpg)

If Satori is still using Creative then they are a solid wheel, I'd put them above Ricta / OJ in the Big 3. Really enjoyed my time on SML and Autobahn.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on February 10, 2022, 01:00:58 PM
Some of the best garage made wheels I’ve seen. Looks like they’re all 90mm though

https://instagram.com/skatewheel_maker?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 10, 2022, 01:14:48 PM
Some of the best garage made wheels I’ve seen. Looks like they’re all 90mm though

https://instagram.com/skatewheel_maker?utm_medium=copy_link

on their site it looks like they have a 90a, a 97a and a 99a wheel. rad though, anyone have time on these?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on February 10, 2022, 01:20:01 PM
Some of the best garage made wheels I’ve seen. Looks like they’re all 90mm though

https://instagram.com/skatewheel_maker?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on February 10, 2022, 02:40:47 PM
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Some of the best garage made wheels I’ve seen. Looks like they’re all 90mm though

https://instagram.com/skatewheel_maker?utm_medium=copy_link
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on their site it looks like they have a 90a, a 97a and a 99a wheel. rad though, anyone have time on these?

I skated the 97s for a few months.  They feel a little slow on smooth ground but they felt real nice on crappy asphalt at the DIY.  He just came out with the 99s wanted to grab a set to try out but I already have too many wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 10, 2022, 04:16:20 PM
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Some of the best garage made wheels I’ve seen. Looks like they’re all 90mm though

https://instagram.com/skatewheel_maker?utm_medium=copy_link
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on their site it looks like they have a 90a, a 97a and a 99a wheel. rad though, anyone have time on these?
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I skated the 97s for a few months.  They feel a little slow on smooth ground but they felt real nice on crappy asphalt at the DIY.  He just came out with the 99s wanted to grab a set to try out but I already have too many wheels.

yeah i'm in the same boat, but i also just noticed the 99s come in green and orange so i may be trying those sooner than i think
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 10, 2022, 05:03:30 PM
Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 10, 2022, 05:21:16 PM
Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.

loophole are just nfg with a different graphic if that helps
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on February 10, 2022, 05:26:00 PM
Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.

It's my understanding that Loophole and NFG are identical wheels. I've had SML and I'm skating Loopholes now, and the Loopholes are vastly better.

I don't know anything about Dial Tone, so correct me if I am wrong, but they look to be more generic Creative Urethane wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 10, 2022, 05:47:53 PM
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Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.
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loophole are just nfg with a different graphic if that helps
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Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.
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It's my understanding that Loophole and NFG are identical wheels. I've had SML and I'm skating Loopholes now, and the Loopholes are vastly better.

I don't know anything about Dial Tone, so correct me if I am wrong, but they look to be more generic Creative Urethane wheels.

I mistyped and confused everyone, no coffee

Currently on NFG
Not ridden Loophole, they are the same as NFG
I was asking about Dialtone, and wanted to know if they rode similar to SML which I rode late last year.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on February 10, 2022, 08:59:53 PM
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Some of the best garage made wheels I’ve seen. Looks like they’re all 90mm though

https://instagram.com/skatewheel_maker?utm_medium=copy_link
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on their site it looks like they have a 90a, a 97a and a 99a wheel. rad though, anyone have time on these?
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I skated the 97s for a few months.  They feel a little slow on smooth ground but they felt real nice on crappy asphalt at the DIY.  He just came out with the 99s wanted to grab a set to try out but I already have too many wheels.
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yeah i'm in the same boat, but i also just noticed the 99s come in green and orange so i may be trying those sooner than i think
Seemed weird the 97a only comes in a 52mm. I woulda given em buy if they had 54mms. Not even trying to be fussy, the 97a 54mm CF is my fave right now and it would be dope to have another brand making a similar wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on February 10, 2022, 09:21:37 PM
Are loopholes kind of yellowish in colour like formula 4s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 10, 2022, 09:43:08 PM
Are loopholes kind of yellowish in colour like formula 4s?

so the more recent runs seem to be a bit whiter than the last ones which were a little more tan/yellowed. i just held up an f4 to all my nfg/loopholes and they (the nfg/loops) are lighter and overall just not the same tinge of brown/yellow that f4's have
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on February 11, 2022, 06:41:04 AM
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Some of the best garage made wheels I’ve seen. Looks like they’re all 90mm though

https://instagram.com/skatewheel_maker?utm_medium=copy_link
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on their site it looks like they have a 90a, a 97a and a 99a wheel. rad though, anyone have time on these?
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I skated the 97s for a few months.  They feel a little slow on smooth ground but they felt real nice on crappy asphalt at the DIY.  He just came out with the 99s wanted to grab a set to try out but I already have too many wheels.
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yeah i'm in the same boat, but i also just noticed the 99s come in green and orange so i may be trying those sooner than i think
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Seemed weird the 97a only comes in a 52mm. I woulda given em buy if they had 54mms. Not even trying to be fussy, the 97a 54mm CF is my fave right now and it would be dope to have another brand making a similar wheel.

I think that's just what he has right now on the site.  He does custom color requests on the site, and the 97a that I skated were 54, so he may pour some 97a 54mm on request.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nahfrtho on February 11, 2022, 09:43:44 AM
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Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.
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loophole are just nfg with a different graphic if that helps
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Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.
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It's my understanding that Loophole and NFG are identical wheels. I've had SML and I'm skating Loopholes now, and the Loopholes are vastly better.

I don't know anything about Dial Tone, so correct me if I am wrong, but they look to be more generic Creative Urethane wheels.
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I mistyped and confused everyone, no coffee

Currently on NFG
Not ridden Loophole, they are the same as NFG
I was asking about Dialtone, and wanted to know if they rode similar to SML which I rode late last year.
i rode some alexis sablone dialtones last summer and they were pretty average. i got the 99s and they were pretty smooth in the streets but they got kinda lopsided and lumpy after about 2 months or so, also didn’t have a lot of give when i tried powerslides. i’m not sure how they compare to sml wheels tho, i haven’t ridden those in a few years
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on February 11, 2022, 09:56:46 AM
Are loopholes kind of yellowish in colour like formula 4s?

My newish Loopholes were pretty solidly off-white. Much less yellow than Spitfires.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on February 11, 2022, 10:25:31 AM
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Are loopholes kind of yellowish in colour like formula 4s?
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My newish Loopholes were pretty solidly off-white. Much less yellow than Spitfires.
I've got two sets of NFGs, one of the harder formula and one of the 95a Crust formula.  I think from a previous run as they both started out a bit more yellow than f4s.  The harder ones have maintained their color, the 95a's have continued to darken with use.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on February 11, 2022, 08:32:33 PM
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Are loopholes kind of yellowish in colour like formula 4s?
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My newish Loopholes were pretty solidly off-white. Much less yellow than Spitfires.
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I've got two sets of NFGs, one of the harder formula and one of the 95a Crust formula.  I think from a previous run as they both started out a bit more yellow than f4s.  The harder ones have maintained their color, the 95a's have continued to darken with use.

Thanks for the replies guys, you too @iw0 . Fuck it, I’ll try out a pair!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bror on February 13, 2022, 05:12:26 AM
Someone ridden haze wheels or specifically their cruise wheels? Looking for a cruiser wheel and they have a 60mm 78a in the same shape as the oj mini super juice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on February 20, 2022, 05:58:10 AM
I think i like Spitfires og formula better than F4s

Anyone with this opinion or am i trippin?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2022, 08:28:59 PM
I think i like Spitfires og formula better than F4s

Anyone with this opinion or am i trippin?

Are you talking about the F1 urethane?  Not when it comes to flatspots. I like the way the felt, hard and slidey, different feel than F4; F4s are the closest feeling wheels you can get (well maybe NFG) to what 'old school' / petrolio=um based wheels felt like from the 80s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on February 20, 2022, 08:54:41 PM
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I think i like Spitfires og formula better than F4s

Anyone with this opinion or am i trippin?
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Are you talking about the F1 urethane?  Not when it comes to flatspots. I like the way the felt, hard and slidey, different feel than F4; F4s are the closest feeling wheels you can get (well maybe NFG) to what 'old school' / petrolio=um based wheels felt like from the 80s.
Are the OGs F1? Not sure

But yea when it comes durability you can't beat f4s. Performance wise i like those ogs better. They grip better but slide when you want them to slide. With f4s, indoor parks in winter have been too slippery most of times.

Also, i kinda fuck with the sound ogs make compared to f4s, brings back memories
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2022, 10:13:25 AM
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I think i like Spitfires og formula better than F4s

Anyone with this opinion or am i trippin?
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Are you talking about the F1 urethane?  Not when it comes to flatspots. I like the way the felt, hard and slidey, different feel than F4; F4s are the closest feeling wheels you can get (well maybe NFG) to what 'old school' / petrolio=um based wheels felt like from the 80s.
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Are the OGs F1? Not sure

But yea when it comes durability you can't beat f4s. Performance wise i like those ogs better. They grip better but slide when you want them to slide. With f4s, indoor parks in winter have been too slippery most of times.

Also, i kinda fuck with the sound ogs make compared to f4s, brings back memories

The OG chirp was pretty rad, no doubt.

F4 99a are damn near perfect tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 21, 2022, 10:16:46 AM
The og formula feel great. Until they flatspot. Which for me usually happens quick. I need to try them again.
I really like the Manderson sfw 53s. Felt rad to use those skating across town.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on February 21, 2022, 11:07:18 AM
The only OG spitfires I didn't flatspot were the Spitfire II (yes, that far back).

Every spitfire wheel I rode before f4 came out, I flatspotted.

One set, I flatspotted so bad in the first day that it was essentially a bloated pentagon because I tried to powerslide out the original flatspot and just kept adding more and making the original one worse.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 21, 2022, 04:09:21 PM
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I think i like Spitfires og formula better than F4s

Anyone with this opinion or am i trippin?
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Are you talking about the F1 urethane?  Not when it comes to flatspots. I like the way the felt, hard and slidey, different feel than F4; F4s are the closest feeling wheels you can get (well maybe NFG) to what 'old school' / petrolio=um based wheels felt like from the 80s.
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Are the OGs F1? Not sure

But yea when it comes durability you can't beat f4s. Performance wise i like those ogs better. They grip better but slide when you want them to slide. With f4s, indoor parks in winter have been too slippery most of times.

Also, i kinda fuck with the sound ogs make compared to f4s, brings back memories


The original Spitfire formula (no name, just 99 duro) certainly had their issues with flatspots but they definitely worked and still are an amazing wheel to me, but I guess I have a whole lot more old originals, than the newer ones.

When they were brand new and very white, they would wear down faster and flatspot way more easily too, but as they yellowed and turned into onions, as some people call them, they last so much better, to me at least.

They feel hard and slide well, but still have more grip when I needed it on the indoor park ramps too.


When the F1 wheels came out maybe 2006 2009 or so, they were supposed to be awesome, but I think they ended up with more flatspots and they just didn't feel right for a lot of people, feeling chalky or a bit inconsistent.


Then Formula Four rumours were going around in 2012 and came out in 2013 and everything changed.


I still have a set of these on a board, the F1 58mm Multiballs and although they skate fine, they are so different to the original and Formula Four:


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-spitfire-f1-multiball-streetburners-wheel-55mm-p3900-8269_medium.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 21, 2022, 04:26:37 PM
Original Spitfires were great. They went south in the early 2000s. This may have had something to do with EPA regulations changing. F1s were an improvement for sure but it wasn't until F4 that Spitfire found their ground again. They did tweak the Classic formula a few years back. It still isn't as good as the 90s Spitifres but its better than the early 2000s. Slower and not as durable and more prone to flat spotting than F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2022, 04:56:53 PM
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I think i like Spitfires og formula better than F4s

Anyone with this opinion or am i trippin?
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Are you talking about the F1 urethane?  Not when it comes to flatspots. I like the way the felt, hard and slidey, different feel than F4; F4s are the closest feeling wheels you can get (well maybe NFG) to what 'old school' / petrolio=um based wheels felt like from the 80s.
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Are the OGs F1? Not sure

But yea when it comes durability you can't beat f4s. Performance wise i like those ogs better. They grip better but slide when you want them to slide. With f4s, indoor parks in winter have been too slippery most of times.

Also, i kinda fuck with the sound ogs make compared to f4s, brings back memories
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The original Spitfire formula (no name, just 99 duro) certainly had their issues with flatspots but they definitely worked and still are an amazing wheel to me, but I guess I have a whole lot more old originals, than the newer ones.

When they were brand new and very white, they would wear down faster and flatspot way more easily too, but as they yellowed and turned into onions, as some people call them, they last so much better, to me at least.

They feel hard and slide well, but still have more grip when I needed it on the indoor park ramps too.


When the F1 wheels came out maybe 2006 2009 or so, they were supposed to be awesome, but I think they ended up with more flatspots and they just didn't feel right for a lot of people, feeling chalky or a bit inconsistent.


Then Formula Four rumours were going around in 2012 and came out in 2013 and everything changed.


I still have a set of these on a board, the F1 58mm Multiballs and although they skate fine, they are so different to the original and Formula Four:


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-spitfire-f1-multiball-streetburners-wheel-55mm-p3900-8269_medium.jpg)



I wasn't going in the waaaay back machine to the OG OG Spits, F1s are more 'relevant' to most people since they are not that old and were just before F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 21, 2022, 06:10:14 PM

I wasn't going in the waaaay back machine to the OG OG Spits, F1s are more 'relevant' to most people since they are not that old and were just before F4s.


Ha yeah sometimes I think I say too much and talk a whole lot of crap, as well as being unable to get rid of anything, so I have way too much "history" in skateboard product still.

At first I thought F1 came out earlier than that but the earliest I can find is 2009 from old catalogs and online info.

Before that was like the Bronze Age for skateboard wheels, I guess.


I had seen a few older / early Spitfire wheels around too, but never had any interest in collector prices for wheels I didn't even know existed back in the late 80s.

All we had back then was Powell and Santa Cruz wheels, as far as I can recall from the big names, along with Cockroach wheels here in Australia.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2022, 10:19:02 PM
When spits first hit Thrasher and the streets it was a game changer.

A true 'street' wheel....back when 55s were considered small :P Alva Rock IIs, Vision Blurrs and then the mighty OJ Street Razor (another 55mm wheel), were all we had to choose from...tho a friend of mine and I ran bones freestyle wheels (super hard to get back then, basically a tablet shape but still 57mm and only 95a) and no risers well before that was the norm for wheels size or truck height.

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I wasn't going in the waaaay back machine to the OG OG Spits, F1s are more 'relevant' to most people since they are not that old and were just before F4s.
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Ha yeah sometimes I think I say too much and talk a whole lot of crap, as well as being unable to get rid of anything, so I have way too much "history" in skateboard product still.

At first I thought F1 came out earlier than that but the earliest I can find is 2009 from old catalogs and online info.

Before that was like the Bronze Age for skateboard wheels, I guess.


I had seen a few older / early Spitfire wheels around too, but never had any interest in collector prices for wheels I didn't even know existed back in the late 80s.

All we had back then was Powell and Santa Cruz wheels, as far as I can recall from the big names, along with Cockroach wheels here in Australia.



That's what this forum is for!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on February 22, 2022, 09:46:35 AM
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I wasn't going in the waaaay back machine to the OG OG Spits, F1s are more 'relevant' to most people since they are not that old and were just before F4s.
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Ha yeah sometimes I think I say too much and talk a whole lot of crap, as well as being unable to get rid of anything, so I have way too much "history" in skateboard product still.

At first I thought F1 came out earlier than that but the earliest I can find is 2009 from old catalogs and online info.

Before that was like the Bronze Age for skateboard wheels, I guess.


I had seen a few older / early Spitfire wheels around too, but never had any interest in collector prices for wheels I didn't even know existed back in the late 80s.

All we had back then was Powell and Santa Cruz wheels, as far as I can recall from the big names, along with Cockroach wheels here in Australia.

Please, talk all the crap you can!

I do remember the late 80’s- early 90’s wheels. You’re pretty spot on about Powell and Santa Cruz being huge, but g&s, vision, Schmitt stix and Simms were all popular. That gave way to the small company/small wheel era. I remember early Spitfires, Real small wheels in the sixpack, A1. My recollection was that they were equivalent to board brand wheels today, but it was super trendy to not ride wheels from one of the dinosaurs, notably PP or SCSWs.  Cockroaches enjoyed some action in my scene being adjacent to some guys that were hooked up. I remember getting a set for a few bucks - basically buying the dude a cup at a kegger- because they were “too soft”.  Great wheels.

I’m still not 100% how much is nostalgia, but I still think Santa Cruz wheels from back in the day are the gold standard. I know they didn’t/don’t suck because about 5 years ago I stumbled across a set of 60mm/95a street razors on an old bort in the basement and skated them pretty hard. I preferred them to the spitfire soft-d’s I was riding. I’ve got an OG set of Powell G-bones I’ve fiddled with, and they’ve got some of that old magic too, but they’re too tall, soft and goofy-shaped to work for me.

@xen nailed it, too. That’s what happens when you come back and finish a post a day later.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 23, 2022, 12:55:30 PM
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Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.
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loophole are just nfg with a different graphic if that helps
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Anyone have a review of Dialtone wheels? Looking to size down from 54mm NFG, are Loophole on par with SML? Last set I rode were petty good.
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It's my understanding that Loophole and NFG are identical wheels. I've had SML and I'm skating Loopholes now, and the Loopholes are vastly better.

I don't know anything about Dial Tone, so correct me if I am wrong, but they look to be more generic Creative Urethane wheels.
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I mistyped and confused everyone, no coffee

Currently on NFG
Not ridden Loophole, they are the same as NFG
I was asking about Dialtone, and wanted to know if they rode similar to SML which I rode late last year.
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i rode some alexis sablone dialtones last summer and they were pretty average. i got the 99s and they were pretty smooth in the streets but they got kinda lopsided and lumpy after about 2 months or so, also didn’t have a lot of give when i tried powerslides. i’m not sure how they compare to sml wheels tho, i haven’t ridden those in a few years

Ehh I think the new SML formula is on par with your experience. I find they slide a lot better in the streets as opposed to smooth, glassy surfaces. I also feel that they wear down more irregularly, are more prone to flatspots, and feel slower at skateparks, and for some reason I only get flatspots at skateparks on those wheels

I think the greater micro-surface area of smooth ground has something to do with it, since as a result of being smooth more floor surface would be in contact with the surface of the wheel, causing more friction and wearing more of the wheel off as a result of softer/friction-prone urethane. (especially considering they don't have as much of a "frictionless" feeling slide like F4s on street, which would result in more wheel material getting shredded off in general).

I've skated like 4 sets of SML (recent drops) and have always found them faster on street and also faster to wear down compared to F4s imo. If dialtone is creative they're likely the same urethane as SML (also threaded like SMLs).

Either way I don't think creative urethane is bad or unskateable, I think it actually has its strengths in being a softer-feeling 99a especially on street where they feel super smooth, fast, and shock-absorbing at 54mm+. It's actually the main reason I usually find myself compulsively buying a set of 54mm OG wide SMLs in the summer when I know the extra 15$ on spitfires would be well spent.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 26, 2022, 07:37:54 PM
What’s the preferred wheel for the dreamland/grind line type parks? I’ve absolutely ignored that type of stuff, making sure to only scurry about in some forgotten parking lot. Considering being the old person trying to learn how to drop in and such. Can’t wait.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on February 26, 2022, 08:33:42 PM
What’s the preferred wheel for the dreamland/grind line type parks? I’ve absolutely ignored that type of stuff, making sure to only scurry about in some forgotten parking lot. Considering being the old person trying to learn how to drop in and such. Can’t wait.
Extra hard. My OJ 99a were too grippy at any park that wasn’t brand new with that mirror finish. Been liking the NFG Vee
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 26, 2022, 08:40:30 PM
What’s the preferred wheel for the dreamland/grind line type parks? I’ve absolutely ignored that type of stuff, making sure to only scurry about in some forgotten parking lot. Considering being the old person trying to learn how to drop in and such. Can’t wait.

Really Bones SPFs are pretty amazing if you are just going to skate new Dreamland/ Grindline parks. However, some of these parks are getting a little older and rougher now and need a slightly more forgiving wheel. My wheel of choice is still F4 99as b/c they are more versatile. But before F4s and when most the Dreamland/ Grindline parks were still relatively new, SPFs were ideal.

In saying all that, if you are just learning to skate this type of terrain, I wouldn't worry about it that much. Its only when you really start cranking around corners to generate speed that it will really matter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on February 26, 2022, 09:56:34 PM
What’s the preferred wheel for the dreamland/grind line type parks? I’ve absolutely ignored that type of stuff, making sure to only scurry about in some forgotten parking lot. Considering being the old person trying to learn how to drop in and such. Can’t wait.

If it’s a glassy new park and you’re just learning you should go for something a little grippier until you’re comfortable going fast. 97a Spitfires or OJs would be good to learn on. 56-60mm is a good size if it’s a big gnarly park.

Once you’re comfortable going fast, SPFs are good for smooth new parks. Spitfire F4 99a are good for new or crusty old parks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 27, 2022, 06:25:34 PM
just copped the ishod black  55mms im so hyped
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on February 27, 2022, 08:23:06 PM
What’s the preferred wheel for the dreamland/grind line type parks? I’ve absolutely ignored that type of stuff, making sure to only scurry about in some forgotten parking lot. Considering being the old person trying to learn how to drop in and such. Can’t wait.

Bones SPF are on another level. If I were one of those guys who lived in socal and had amazing glass-smooth parks to skate every day, I’d be on SPF exclusively.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 27, 2022, 08:45:05 PM
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What’s the preferred wheel for the dreamland/grind line type parks? I’ve absolutely ignored that type of stuff, making sure to only scurry about in some forgotten parking lot. Considering being the old person trying to learn how to drop in and such. Can’t wait.
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Bones SPF are on another level. If I were one of those guys who lived in socal and had amazing glass-smooth parks to skate every day, I’d be on SPF exclusively.

I appreciate all of the responses. SPF’s sound fun, but I live in a really rain soaked area where the ground is totally jacked. The parks are in good shape, for the most part, but I already have my setups with venture lo’s that require real small wheels (basically need to carry them to the spot), I don’t want to set up anything else that needs to be shuttled to and fro, if I can help it.
Again thanks for all of the feedback.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bror on February 28, 2022, 04:43:42 AM
Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on February 28, 2022, 05:18:37 AM
Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery

I’m not exaggerating when I say that about half of my little grom friends and acquaintances from the skatepark (the under-18 crowd) are skating the new 60mm Kader wheels and they’re all street rippers. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 28, 2022, 06:12:59 AM
Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery

I skate 60mm classics on one of my set ups. For me, the size doesn’t handle too different for trucks than 55’s, but I can skate faster and crust bugs me less. They are great when I’m skating through big parts of the city and not lingering in any spot too long
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on February 28, 2022, 06:46:16 AM
Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery

dumb answer incoming

for me it's the way they wear down. you could shave off a few millimeters and they would still look just fine. 56 or 58mm classics are wider than the smaller sizes, and when they wear down they get even wider. a 58mm classic kinda looks like a radial full at 50mm. right now i'm on 58mm og classics and while they're great now i think i'm going to pass them on at 54 and cop another set of 56 or 58 classics, simply because they will look better when small.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2022, 07:30:16 AM
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Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery
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I’m not exaggerating when I say that about half of my little grom friends and acquaintances from the skatepark (the under-18 crowd) are skating the new 60mm Kader wheels and they’re all street rippers. Make of that what you will.

The local told me something to the same effect: they are all out in the streets, need them big wheels.

As usual, I have questions. What size boards are these going on? Wheels can be the heavy part of the setup, how, are these setups just heavy tanks? Most importantly: are these big wheels unlocking any spots? I wonder if the bigger wheels help with pop/leverage on the larger setups?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 28, 2022, 07:44:17 AM
Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery

1. Copying Kader

2. Kids that aren’t as well off and skate a lot can skate those for a long time.

3. If you have to push everywhere it’s actually pretty noticeable over a day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 28, 2022, 07:48:18 AM
Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on February 28, 2022, 07:57:29 AM
Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.

dialtones are ok, not great, but they get the job done. they roll and they slide. i had 99s and they wore down much faster than 99 f4s and they definitely feel worse. also, they flatspot, not easily, but i did get a flatspot.

haven't had loopholes but people on here have been praising them a lot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on February 28, 2022, 08:06:05 AM
Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
This is basically the reason I skate dialtones. I mean I think they're good wheels too, but from a pure performance standpoint they don't offer anything that you can't get from an F4. I've got dialtones, loopholes, and F4s that I rotate in and out depending on how they treat me on a particular setup. 

After all, variety is the spice of life.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on February 28, 2022, 08:09:30 AM
Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.

I don't know anything about Dialtone, so I won't comment, but I got Loopholes during the Thanksgiving sale back in November and they are honestly great wheels - IMO as good as the F4. I find it impressive that a small company (NFG) is able to actually make something unique, in their own factory, which stands up favorably to the biggest name in the business. A very impressive product.

It's up to you whether not or if that's enough of a reason to switch. This is a matter of strict personal preference, so I completely understand why someone would just skate F4 wheels forever, if that's what they know are are comfortable with, but if you're coming from F4 wheels and looking to mix it up, you can hardly do better than Loophole/NFG.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on February 28, 2022, 08:11:11 AM
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Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery
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I’m not exaggerating when I say that about half of my little grom friends and acquaintances from the skatepark (the under-18 crowd) are skating the new 60mm Kader wheels and they’re all street rippers. Make of that what you will.
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The local told me something to the same effect: they are all out in the streets, need them big wheels.

As usual, I have questions. What size boards are these going on? Wheels can be the heavy part of the setup, how, are these setups just heavy tanks? Most importantly: are these big wheels unlocking any spots? I wonder if the bigger wheels help with pop/leverage on the larger setups?
Honestly, big ‘uns are just fashionable right now. 5 years ago, I was riding big, square 58’s and considered an old eccentric kook.  Yes, they will roll over some stuff, and pop later, steeper and higher. They also weigh more, wheelbite more, and take more effort to pop. I think 56mm-ish is kind of a goldilocks size that will roll, isn’t too heavy or need too much riser. And yes, I’m still an eccentric old kook.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 28, 2022, 08:46:06 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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This is basically the reason I skate dialtones. I mean I think they're good wheels too, but from a pure performance standpoint they don't offer anything that you can't get from an F4. I've got dialtones, loopholes, and F4s that I rotate in and out depending on how they treat me on a particular setup. 

After all, variety is the spice of life.

SML (which are from Creative, same as Dialtone) are good wheels, a solid 7.5/10 with Spitfire being a 10/10. You can do far worse than wheels from Creative.

To me it's about the price point, if I can get the Dialtone / SML for under $25, I'm biting and just having fun with them. They are great under $25, but if I were paying MSRP I'd go with Spitfire or Bones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on February 28, 2022, 09:17:29 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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This is basically the reason I skate dialtones. I mean I think they're good wheels too, but from a pure performance standpoint they don't offer anything that you can't get from an F4. I've got dialtones, loopholes, and F4s that I rotate in and out depending on how they treat me on a particular setup. 

After all, variety is the spice of life.
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SML (which are from Creative, same as Dialtone) are good wheels, a solid 7.5/10 with Spitfire being a 10/10. You can do far worse than wheels from Creative.

To me it's about the price point, if I can get the Dialtone / SML for under $25, I'm biting and just having fun with them. They are great under $25, but if I were paying MSRP I'd go with Spitfire or Bones.
Yeah, good point.  I grabbed my current set of dialtones from the end of the year sale Parade had for $26, makes it an easy decision.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 28, 2022, 02:01:55 PM
Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on February 28, 2022, 04:44:51 PM
Maybe dumb question incoming.. what are people using bigger 56mm+ wheels in the classic shape for?

They seem really popular on here but I can't figure it out. Bigger wheels are generally for transition and the classic shape is for street/tech. Is it a best of both worlds thing?

I'm on big boards again and the thought of shaving some weight off with slimer wheels is tempting but learning to ride transition on them feels like it could be slippery

slimmer wheels would defs be slippery.

my previous set was the 60mm classic shape and i loved em. i found them to be pretty good on street. it’s gotten slippery on transition tho (indoor wooden).

if you want the best of both worlds you’d might wanna try out the radial shape
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 28, 2022, 05:26:35 PM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops

I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on February 28, 2022, 11:27:44 PM
Alright guys, I've got some wheel reviews followed up by some questions...

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The past several years I've ridden...

Bones STF 103a 55mm - V4 Wide - 17mm riding patch
Bones STF 103a 56mm - V6 Widecut - 20.5mm riding patch


These things are great as long as you're skating smoother surfaces.

+ Very fast.
+ SO fun! Amazing for powerslides/reverts. Very slick and slidey. Mostly only slide when you want them to.
+ Very responsive, and I can feel the board and what I'm riding on very easily.
+/- Slippery on ramps, but in a predictable way. You can pretty much always count on them to slide, for better or for worse. Fun for cess slides and reverts, but could cause some troubles for when you are relying on traction.
- Too hard to tackle pebbles/debris (despite large size). Often found myself eating shit on pebbles I felt I should be able to ride over.
- Too hard to ride on crusty streets. My feet would be numb/tingling from vibrations after I road down certain streets. Rougher surfaces really effect your speed.
- Can slide out on you skating certain surfaces.

Overall, by far my favorite wheels I've ever had when it comes to smooth/clean streets and spots.

9/10. Amazing wheels, but they are awful in the wrong circumstances.

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Then to help out a local skateshop I settled for trying...

OJ Elite 101a 54mm - Mini Combo - 20mm riding patch

+ About 80% as slick as my Bones wheels, great for powerslides/reverts. No problems here.
+ What they maybe lacked in slickness they made up for in a slightly smoother ride. I could still powerslide around, but it felt like a bit better for cruising streets. Still a hard wheel though.
+ Still had solid responsiveness and feel.
+ No noticeable difference in speed from my Bones wheels
+/- Felt less "plasticky" than Bones wheels. Again, less slidey.
- It felt slightly less predictable on park surfaces. Sometimes would stick instead of slide. Not a huge deal though.
- I had SOME flatspots. Again, I really like powerslides.
- Maybe wore down faster than Bones wheels?

Surprisingly, I really liked these wheels a lot too. A bit more versatile than those Bones wheels, not as extreme. Not quite as "fun" and slidey, but I never had any trouble sliding when I wanted to. Maybe flatspot and wear down a bit more.

8/10. A little bit more of an all-around wheel. I really enjoyed these. Definitely worth grabbing if they're on sale!

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After all the hype I had heard about F4 Conical Fulls, I decided to give them a try. I went in essentially wanting to use them as semi-cruiser wheels. So I decided to try the new 97d...

Spitfire F4 97d 54mm - Conical Full - 22mm riding patch

Well. I got what I asked for, I guess. By chance, after getting them I moved to a place with CRUSTY streets everywhere so they really came in handy. These things have done a good job riding some streets that my Bones wheels would never be able to handle.

+ Can handle the crustiest streets of any wheels I've ever had. There are still limits to what it can handle, but I'm riding on streets where other wheels would struggle and vibrate. It really is a luxury to not have to think about that stuff quite as much.
+ I will often ride over pebbles that I am surprised I can ride over. Its a really a confident ride on these things.
+/- At 97d they almost feel a bit like cruiser wheels. A bit too soft and rubbery to really "feel" what you're skating. However, I haven't found it gets in the way of most tricks, just a bit of a muted feel things. They still pop just fine, no worries here.
+/- They really stick on ramps consistently and keep you from sliding. Probably a plus for most people, but I'm so used to riding Bones still.
- Surprisingly slow. This was a noticeable shock to me. On smooth streets that I used to rip down, I had to push harder to get up to my normal speed. Definitely a lower top speed/acceleration.
- Really hard to powerslide, especially at low speeds. Powerslides don't slide as far as Bones, they grind you to a halt really fast and sometimes kick me off a bit when I'm not ready for it.

8/10. They have come in SO clutch on crusty streets, they are like a hybrid between a cruiser wheel and a trick wheel. But I'm left really missing that easy powerslide/revert I had with the harder Bones and OJ wheels. They are a workhorse wheel that serves their purpose and lets you skate things you wouldn't normally be able to. You can skate confidently not worrying about sliding out (exceptions of ice and slick blacktop). However, the wheel feels less "fun" when I'm skating normal terrain, because I miss sliding around so easily at any speed.

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My question is... Where do I go from here? I'm considering...

Bones STF 99a "Easy Streets" V6 Widecut - It would give me the Bones shape/feel I've always liked, but not as overly hard or niche. I've heard they still have that "plasticky" slide the harder Bones have.

Spitfire F4 101d Conical Full - I've heard in general Spitfire just feel a bit softer and don't slide as much compared to Bones... Would a 101d be a nice compromise, or would it have the same "overly hard" problems as Bones 103a but with less slide?

Spitfire F4 99d (Different Shape) - I'm thinking 99a Conical Fulls MIGHT give me similar problems as my 97d, but if I went F4 99a with a thinner shape maybe that would allow them to slide how I like them to, while giving me a softer riding surface for rougher streets.

What do you guys think are the main issues I'm having with my 97d Spitfires are in terms of slidability? Do you think its the F4 being stickier than STF, the slightly wider shape, or the 97d softness?

I would really value some input from someone who has skated some F4 97d. Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on March 01, 2022, 03:55:52 AM
Contrary to popular belief, thinner wheels slide worse.
So you'd probably be very happy with conical full 99a.
stf 99a are great too, a bit less slippery than 99a f4 in my experience
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 01, 2022, 05:23:34 AM
We need a Jan Heine for the science of powerslides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on March 01, 2022, 05:27:24 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.

3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 01, 2022, 06:32:05 AM
We need a Jan Heine for the science of powerslides.

Great reference.
I have considered his explanations of ‘planing’ when I’m thinking about why I prefer a good, somewhat flexy, ps stix deck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 01, 2022, 06:53:17 AM
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We need a Jan Heine for the science of powerslides.
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Great reference.
I have considered his explanations of ‘planing’ when I’m thinking about why I prefer a good, somewhat flexy, ps stix deck.

I had the same thoughts a few days ago reading that thread.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on March 01, 2022, 06:59:03 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out


Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 01, 2022, 07:45:10 AM
Bunch of wheel notes…
I also love my 97A Spitfire classics, but I can’t even get them to slide well on smooth ground. I feel like even the NFG 95A formula slides better.

I really like the STF 99A formula, for what it’s worth. I have several sets of the V5 shape (similar to a conical, maybe a little slimmer), and I think it would be a good middle ground; signature Bones feel and still pretty hard.

The 101A Spitfires are exclusively smooth ground wheels for me, like how the SPFs are for you, but the 99A are pretty versatile, so that’d be my second recommendation.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 01, 2022, 07:48:26 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
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Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.

Mine are the same way. Some are perfect, some are bubbly, but they’re great wheels despite the lack of aesthetics and polish.

Where did you find 52mm squares? I thought they only did the teardrop shape that small…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 01, 2022, 08:05:43 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
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Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.

https://www.nfgmfg.com/designs

Teardrops - 52 / 54
Square - 54
Vee - 54 / 56 / 58 / 60
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on March 01, 2022, 08:33:56 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
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Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.
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https://www.nfgmfg.com/designs

Teardrops - 52 / 54
Square - 54
Vee - 54 / 56 / 58 / 60

You’re right! I think I was thrown by the 52D. And thanks for the reassurance on the cosmetic details.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on March 01, 2022, 08:51:50 AM
i only have a set of the 95A squares vs reg formula, but i'm totally willing to shoot them over to you when they get to 52ish. probably not the same as an actual set made at 52 BUT i thought i'd throw it out there. also don't know how soon that will happen.

stealth edit: just motivated myself to skate more/harder &#128170;
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 01, 2022, 09:05:35 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
[close]

I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
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Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.
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Mine are the same way. Some are perfect, some are bubbly, but they’re great wheels despite the lack of aesthetics and polish.

Where did you find 52mm squares? I thought they only did the teardrop shape that small…

I have some Loopholes, that I just set up. I haven't used them yet as there has been a deluge of rain since... However, they have been sitting on my rug and they appear to have absorbed dust and dirt off the rug. It's peculiar and not something I can just clean off. The specs are beyond the surface and in the actual wheel. The surface is still smooth. Anyway, I hope this will wear away with use and not impact performance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on March 01, 2022, 09:32:28 AM
Alright guys, I've got some wheel reviews followed up by some questions...

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The past several years I've ridden...

Bones STF 103a 55mm - V4 Wide - 17mm riding patch
Bones STF 103a 56mm - V6 Widecut - 20.5mm riding patch


These things are great as long as you're skating smoother surfaces.

+ Very fast.
+ SO fun! Amazing for powerslides/reverts. Very slick and slidey. Mostly only slide when you want them to.
+ Very responsive, and I can feel the board and what I'm riding on very easily.
+/- Slippery on ramps, but in a predictable way. You can pretty much always count on them to slide, for better or for worse. Fun for cess slides and reverts, but could cause some troubles for when you are relying on traction.
- Too hard to tackle pebbles/debris (despite large size). Often found myself eating shit on pebbles I felt I should be able to ride over.
- Too hard to ride on crusty streets. My feet would be numb/tingling from vibrations after I road down certain streets. Rougher surfaces really effect your speed.
- Can slide out on you skating certain surfaces.

Overall, by far my favorite wheels I've ever had when it comes to smooth/clean streets and spots.

9/10. Amazing wheels, but they are awful in the wrong circumstances.

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Then to help out a local skateshop I settled for trying...

OJ Elite 101a 54mm - Mini Combo - 20mm riding patch

+ About 80% as slick as my Bones wheels, great for powerslides/reverts. No problems here.
+ What they maybe lacked in slickness they made up for in a slightly smoother ride. I could still powerslide around, but it felt like a bit better for cruising streets. Still a hard wheel though.
+ Still had solid responsiveness and feel.
+ No noticeable difference in speed from my Bones wheels
+/- Felt less "plasticky" than Bones wheels. Again, less slidey.
- It felt slightly less predictable on park surfaces. Sometimes would stick instead of slide. Not a huge deal though.
- I had SOME flatspots. Again, I really like powerslides.
- Maybe wore down faster than Bones wheels?

Surprisingly, I really liked these wheels a lot too. A bit more versatile than those Bones wheels, not as extreme. Not quite as "fun" and slidey, but I never had any trouble sliding when I wanted to. Maybe flatspot and wear down a bit more.

8/10. A little bit more of an all-around wheel. I really enjoyed these. Definitely worth grabbing if they're on sale!

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After all the hype I had heard about F4 Conical Fulls, I decided to give them a try. I went in essentially wanting to use them as semi-cruiser wheels. So I decided to try the new 97d...

Spitfire F4 97d 54mm - Conical Full - 22mm riding patch

Well. I got what I asked for, I guess. By chance, after getting them I moved to a place with CRUSTY streets everywhere so they really came in handy. These things have done a good job riding some streets that my Bones wheels would never be able to handle.

+ Can handle the crustiest streets of any wheels I've ever had. There are still limits to what it can handle, but I'm riding on streets where other wheels would struggle and vibrate. It really is a luxury to not have to think about that stuff quite as much.
+ I will often ride over pebbles that I am surprised I can ride over. Its a really a confident ride on these things.
+/- At 97d they almost feel a bit like cruiser wheels. A bit too soft and rubbery to really "feel" what you're skating. However, I haven't found it gets in the way of most tricks, just a bit of a muted feel things. They still pop just fine, no worries here.
+/- They really stick on ramps consistently and keep you from sliding. Probably a plus for most people, but I'm so used to riding Bones still.
- Surprisingly slow. This was a noticeable shock to me. On smooth streets that I used to rip down, I had to push harder to get up to my normal speed. Definitely a lower top speed/acceleration.
- Really hard to powerslide, especially at low speeds. Powerslides don't slide as far as Bones, they grind you to a halt really fast and sometimes kick me off a bit when I'm not ready for it.

8/10. They have come in SO clutch on crusty streets, they are like a hybrid between a cruiser wheel and a trick wheel. But I'm left really missing that easy powerslide/revert I had with the harder Bones and OJ wheels. They are a workhorse wheel that serves their purpose and lets you skate things you wouldn't normally be able to. You can skate confidently not worrying about sliding out (exceptions of ice and slick blacktop). However, the wheel feels less "fun" when I'm skating normal terrain, because I miss sliding around so easily at any speed.

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My question is... Where do I go from here? I'm considering...

Bones STF 99a "Easy Streets" V6 Widecut - It would give me the Bones shape/feel I've always liked, but not as overly hard or niche. I've heard they still have that "plasticky" slide the harder Bones have.

Spitfire F4 101d Conical Full - I've heard in general Spitfire just feel a bit softer and don't slide as much compared to Bones... Would a 101d be a nice compromise, or would it have the same "overly hard" problems as Bones 103a but with less slide?

Spitfire F4 99d (Different Shape) - I'm thinking 99a Conical Fulls MIGHT give me similar problems as my 97d, but if I went F4 99a with a thinner shape maybe that would allow them to slide how I like them to, while giving me a softer riding surface for rougher streets.

What do you guys think are the main issues I'm having with my 97d Spitfires are in terms of slidability? Do you think its the F4 being stickier than STF, the slightly wider shape, or the 97d softness?

I would really value some input from someone who has skated some F4 97d. Thanks!

I tried bones stf 99a, spitfire f4 99a radial full and Oj elite 99a.

Stf99a: overall good wheels, very slidey on asphalt. Feels like sliding on ice cubes. They feel like they would grip but once they break loose I tend to slip out. Didn't try them on metal ramps. Fast, no flatspots.

Spitfire 99a:compared to stf99a grip to slip is more predictable. Good slide, fast, no flatspots. Wider contact patch helps a lot on rough streets.  Slippery on metal ramps.

Oj elite 99a: Fast and forgiving. They feel good on almost every surface I've tried. More grip and predictable slide.
I could imagine cruising on them.
I've got tiny flatspots but they ride out pretty quick. Less durable than stf/spitfire.

For me it's Oj elite 99a > spitfire f4 99a > stf 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 01, 2022, 11:59:52 AM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
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Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.

This was the issue with all of their initials wheels NFG made for Road Crew, which ended up being their only order with them and causing some hullabaloo. AFAIK those wheels are fine but I totally understand why someone who spent $40 on some premium skateboard wheels would be put off by that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on March 01, 2022, 12:03:47 PM
I don't mind the air bubbles on my set of NFG Vee's but I ordered a set of the factory seconds... 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 01, 2022, 12:05:27 PM
Re: 97a Spitfires - I’m a bit advocate for these wheels and I think they work great if you are primarily skating crusty asphalt parking lots and busted streets somewhere near to or north of the 45th parallel. They are slower and they do not slide as well as other wheels, and in a skatepark or on smooth cement, they often lack the satisfying bark you get from sliding. The primary advantage they offer is that you are significantly less fatigued skating for hours on the shitty ground.

So if this is a concern for you, as it is me, get these wheels. Otherwise, 99a-101a will do you well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 01, 2022, 12:45:51 PM
Re: 97a Spitfires - I’m a bit advocate for these wheels and I think they work great if you are primarily skating crusty asphalt parking lots and busted streets somewhere near to or north of the 45th parallel. They are slower and they do not slide as well as other wheels, and in a skatepark or on smooth cement, they often lack the satisfying bark you get from sliding. The primary advantage they offer is that you are significantly less fatigued skating for hours on the shitty ground.

So if this is a concern for you, as it is me, get these wheels. Otherwise, 99a-101a will do you well.


Do you prefer a certain shape?
See I believe we have similar locations
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on March 01, 2022, 01:14:21 PM
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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
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Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.

They should skate identically to wheels without bubbles. I like to put the bubble side facing away from the truck, I like to think that the bubbles help me grip the curb better on slappies.

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Every time I think of migrating to another brand from F4 it’s like I cant quit an addiction. I mostly skate smooth ground but not parks. Is there any reason to fuck with Dialtone or Loophole? Their shapes seem reasonably close to Spit but I like the smaller brand vibe and their teams.
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loopholes now! Quality is up there with F4. Never had dial tones but I doubt the urethane is on par with the loops
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I second the NFG / Loophole props, they are really forgiving for hardness rating above 103a. Really liking the Square shape, just wish they did those in 52mm instead of 54mm and up.
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3rd the loopholes/NFG camp, best wheels out
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Man, I’ve been on the fence about speaking up, but I’m not super impressed with the finish on my NFG 95a 56mm V’s. There’s several small bubbles and there appears to be some bubbles just under the skin. I’ve contacted nfg about it and they assured me it’s cosmetic and said to try them first. And there’s the rub- I’m on the north coast and have skated 3x this year, all inside. I don’t fancy trying to wear the skin off new wheels at the indoor park, either. There should be some dry pavement this month, and I’m very ready to give these wheels a try.

@rocklobster - the “Square” shape comes in 52 and 54; the “Vee”, which is really square, comes in 54 and up.
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Mine are the same way. Some are perfect, some are bubbly, but they’re great wheels despite the lack of aesthetics and polish.

Where did you find 52mm squares? I thought they only did the teardrop shape that small…
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I have some Loopholes, that I just set up. I haven't used them yet as there has been a deluge of rain since... However, they have been sitting on my rug and they appear to have absorbed dust and dirt off the rug. It's peculiar and not something I can just clean off. The specs are beyond the surface and in the actual wheel. The surface is still smooth. Anyway, I hope this will wear away with use and not impact performance.

This sort of thing is normal. It'll wear off with some skating. Same sort of thing as your wheels turning black after skating asphalt or turning red after slappying some red curbs. I think it's because urethane is porous, so little bits of whatever you're skating collect in the wheel's microscopic pores. That's just a guess, though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 01, 2022, 01:29:34 PM
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Re: 97a Spitfires - I’m a bit advocate for these wheels and I think they work great if you are primarily skating crusty asphalt parking lots and busted streets somewhere near to or north of the 45th parallel. They are slower and they do not slide as well as other wheels, and in a skatepark or on smooth cement, they often lack the satisfying bark you get from sliding. The primary advantage they offer is that you are significantly less fatigued skating for hours on the shitty ground.

So if this is a concern for you, as it is me, get these wheels. Otherwise, 99a-101a will do you well.
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Do you prefer a certain shape?
See I believe we have similar locations

I prefer the conical, but either shape is fine. I’m not very particular here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 01, 2022, 01:40:10 PM
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Re: 97a Spitfires - I’m a bit advocate for these wheels and I think they work great if you are primarily skating crusty asphalt parking lots and busted streets somewhere near to or north of the 45th parallel. They are slower and they do not slide as well as other wheels, and in a skatepark or on smooth cement, they often lack the satisfying bark you get from sliding. The primary advantage they offer is that you are significantly less fatigued skating for hours on the shitty ground.

So if this is a concern for you, as it is me, get these wheels. Otherwise, 99a-101a will do you well.
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Do you prefer a certain shape?
See I believe we have similar locations
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I prefer the conical, but either shape is fine. I’m not very particular here.

Thanks!
I have 56 97a classics. Skate decent. At parks, sometimes they can feel slow. Which is fine, as I’m always about to die in a park anyways.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 01, 2022, 05:22:45 PM
Re: air bubbles in NFG wheels; they are hand poured so you will get discrepancies. Reminds me of 80s/ 90s wheels so I’m down and know that it doesn’t affect performance anyway!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 02, 2022, 08:18:54 PM
Bought the 54 Jamal Williams teardrop shape and calipered them at 53.4. My worn in 53 classics are at 53.1, so not really much different.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 05, 2022, 06:47:47 PM
First session on some Loopholes today. 54mm Tear drop shape. Very impressive. For a hard wheel they felt really good and fast on crappy ground. Maybe a little faster than 54mm 99a F4 Classics. They definitely feel grippier than 99a F4s though, which might be good on hills and the type of skateboarding you see the likes of Chris Athans doing. I will have to take them to a skatepark next and also see how durable they are after a few sessions,  but zero signs of wear and tear after a few hours.

I'd put them in the same high end category as F4s and STF. Certainly not your run of the mill urethane. Recommended.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 05, 2022, 08:40:19 PM
Still loving the NFG 54mm Square shape, my wheels were sliding out hard on lipslide exits and zero flatspots. Not the same story with the SML wheels I rode a few weeks back. And really fast for the rough park I frequent. NFG if you're listening please make the Square and Vee shape in 52mm!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 05, 2022, 09:28:34 PM
First session on some Loopholes today. 54mm Tear drop shape. Very impressive. For a hard wheel they felt really good and fast on crappy ground. Maybe a little faster than 54mm 99a F4 Classics. They definitely feel grippier than 99a F4s though, which might be good on hills and the type of skateboarding you see the likes of Chris Athans doing. I will have to take them to a skatepark next and also see how durable they are after a few sessions,  but zero signs of wear and tear after a few hours.

I'd put them in the same high end category as F4s and STF. Certainly not your run of the mill urethane. Recommended.
once you warm them up and break them in a little, the slide will be very similar to F4 99s, perhaps even more controlled depending on the batch you got.
I’ve let multiple people ride my setup with 56 v-cuts on it and almost all of them will immediately convert to loopholes, but will then tell me their wheels are “broken” when they put a fresh set on their own board. Even my first few sessions on my teardrops had me doubting myself but once they break in it’s hard to ride anything else…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 05, 2022, 09:37:58 PM
I had some 53 F4 classics I got from my neighbor in a trade a while back and I could never remember why I stopped using them. Turns out if I land remotely off kilter or primo the wheel will slip and cause the bearings to bind. No spacers and this didn’t happen in my 52 classics that are now sub 50. Is this a defect?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on March 06, 2022, 12:06:22 AM
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I wasn't going in the waaaay back machine to the OG OG Spits, F1s are more 'relevant' to most people since they are not that old and were just before F4s.
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Ha yeah sometimes I think I say too much and talk a whole lot of crap, as well as being unable to get rid of anything, so I have way too much "history" in skateboard product still.

At first I thought F1 came out earlier than that but the earliest I can find is 2009 from old catalogs and online info.

Before that was like the Bronze Age for skateboard wheels, I guess.


I had seen a few older / early Spitfire wheels around too, but never had any interest in collector prices for wheels I didn't even know existed back in the late 80s.

All we had back then was Powell and Santa Cruz wheels, as far as I can recall from the big names, along with Cockroach wheels here in Australia.
I know this comment is a couple weeks old, but I want to say the F1’s were 2007ish. You can find posts from 2008 asking opinions about them. Deluxe prototypes to a handful of Slap posters about a year before they came out. That might be what’s throwing my timeline off a little bit


I finally got to skate some ideal(rough as fuck) spots for my 95a NFG’s the past couple of days. They do feel like a softer wheel, but on rough ground they perform the way a harder wheel does on smoother ground. They powerslide when you want them to without slipping out skating around. They’ll roll and keep speed over rough ground that’ll rattle you to a complete stop with a harder wheel. They’re a little slower on smooth ground and can catch on slides, but that shouldn’t matter if you’re skating them for what they’re intended for

I got some G Slides to try out as well. I’ll eventually report back on those
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 06, 2022, 12:42:19 AM

I know this comment is a couple weeks old, but I want to say the F1’s were 2007ish. You can find posts from 2008 asking opinions about them. Deluxe prototypes to a handful of Slap posters about a year before they came out. That might be what’s throwing my timeline off a little bit


I finally got to skate some ideal(rough as fuck) spots for my 95a NFG’s the past couple of days. They do feel like a softer wheel, but on rough ground they perform the way a harder wheel does on smoother ground. They powerslide when you want them to without slipping out skating around. They’ll roll and keep speed over rough ground that’ll rattle you to a complete stop with a harder wheel. They’re a little slower on smooth ground and can catch on slides, but that shouldn’t matter if you’re skating them for what they’re intended for

I got some G Slides to try out as well. I’ll eventually report back on those

Re Spitfire F1 wheels

Yes I was sure I had heard or seen them before then, but just didn't look hard enough at the time.


Re NFG 95s

Sounds good too!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 06, 2022, 12:52:27 AM
I had some 53 F4 classics I got from my neighbor in a trade a while back and I could never remember why I stopped using them. Turns out if I land remotely off kilter or primo the wheel will slip and cause the bearings to bind. No spacers and this didn’t happen in my 52 classics that are now sub 50. Is this a defect?

Not sure if it is a defect or just how the wheels are now, as this sort of thing needs to be determined when new and usually within a certain period of time from purchase.

This also could be why they ended up as a trade, if the previous owner had issue with them, but there is not really anything to do about used or old wheels having that sort of issue, as some do as they get older.

If they still looked relatively new and fairly fresh, there is more chance to get something sorted, but as you didn't purchase them, it poses more problems.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 06, 2022, 08:17:40 AM
Not sure if this was covered but Cockroach Wheels is coming back

https://instagram.com/cockroach_wheels?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 06, 2022, 08:33:08 AM
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First session on some Loopholes today. 54mm Tear drop shape. Very impressive. For a hard wheel they felt really good and fast on crappy ground. Maybe a little faster than 54mm 99a F4 Classics. They definitely feel grippier than 99a F4s though, which might be good on hills and the type of skateboarding you see the likes of Chris Athans doing. I will have to take them to a skatepark next and also see how durable they are after a few sessions,  but zero signs of wear and tear after a few hours.

I'd put them in the same high end category as F4s and STF. Certainly not your run of the mill urethane. Recommended.
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once you warm them up and break them in a little, the slide will be very similar to F4 99s, perhaps even more controlled depending on the batch you got.
I’ve let multiple people ride my setup with 56 v-cuts on it and almost all of them will immediately convert to loopholes, but will then tell me their wheels are “broken” when they put a fresh set on their own board. Even my first few sessions on my teardrops had me doubting myself but once they break in it’s hard to ride anything else…

Good to know, thanks. Yeah, I find that with most wheels. You don't really know what you're getting until you've given them a good couple of sessions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 06, 2022, 09:02:27 AM
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I had some 53 F4 classics I got from my neighbor in a trade a while back and I could never remember why I stopped using them. Turns out if I land remotely off kilter or primo the wheel will slip and cause the bearings to bind. No spacers and this didn’t happen in my 52 classics that are now sub 50. Is this a defect?
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Not sure if it is a defect or just how the wheels are now, as this sort of thing needs to be determined when new and usually within a certain period of time from purchase.

This also could be why they ended up as a trade, if the previous owner had issue with them, but there is not really anything to do about used or old wheels having that sort of issue, as some do as they get older.

If they still looked relatively new and fairly fresh, there is more chance to get something sorted, but as you didn't purchase them, it poses more problems.

Oh I definitely can’t warranty them and don’t care too much. The individual I got them from was my turn 13 year old neighbor who skated them twice and just wanted a really big wheel so I traded him for my cruiser board wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 06, 2022, 11:53:04 AM
What exactly is this NFG teardrop shape? Their site gives no actual info, just a poem?

It's it an asymetrical round/square wheel like other brands have?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 06, 2022, 12:05:42 PM
Basically a copy of a Spitfire Classic. I just got some in 54 and they caliper out to 53.4mm diameter with an 18.2mm riding surface. The center of the wheel is a little fatter than a Classic so as it wears I think it will get closer to a radial shape.

Only skated them for like an hour today but fuuuuuuck they felt slippery as shit on smooth ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on March 06, 2022, 12:05:58 PM
What exactly is this NFG teardrop shape? Their site gives no actual info, just a poem?

It's it an asymetrical round/square wheel like other brands have?

I think it’s their classic shape. Like a spitfire classic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 06, 2022, 12:50:20 PM
Yep, very close to a spitfire classic. maybe the tiniest bit wider.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 06, 2022, 02:01:50 PM
Not sure if this was covered but Cockroach Wheels is coming back

https://instagram.com/cockroach_wheels?utm_medium=copy_link
that’s crazy if true! He had some of the best urethane outside of the US, most Aussie skaters will swear by his other wheel brand in the late 90s whose name escapes me at this point …
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 06, 2022, 06:05:17 PM
What exactly is this NFG teardrop shape? Their site gives no actual info, just a poem?

It's it an asymetrical round/square wheel like other brands have?

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/88d544_5dd65410db2742d48fdb594dcd0a106a~mv2.jpg/v1/crop/x_0,y_151,w_681,h_456/fill/w_360,h_241,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/Teardrop%20dimensions.jpg)

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-10.46.45-am.png)

Essentially the same as a Spitfire Classic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 06, 2022, 06:17:00 PM
Interesting that truck weight is discussed, wheel weight never.
I’m riding 54 99 f4 classics. Not sure where to go from here, can’t imagine going smaller with the ground where I live, going larger starts the wheel bite problems. I like the classic shape for the flipping. A wide, yet rounded shape would probably work well for me. Conical fulls are definitely harder for me to flip with. Which is a personal problem.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 06, 2022, 07:08:54 PM
Interesting that truck weight is discussed, wheel weight never.
I’m riding 54 99 f4 classics. Not sure where to go from here, can’t imagine going smaller with the ground where I live, going larger starts the wheel bite problems. I like the classic shape for the flipping. A wide, yet rounded shape would probably work well
for me. Conical fulls are definitely harder for me to flip with. Which is a personal problem.

Wheels differ maybe 2-3 grams each per wheel assuming same shape but sized up, to 8-12g total. Not much on paper but I definitely feel it the flips are slower and more force is needed to get them around. Could be something with how the lever (back trick) is affected by the load (wheels and front truck), maybe something to do with contact patch.

Going way into the weeds here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 06, 2022, 08:00:35 PM
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https://instagram.com/cockroach_wheels?utm_medium=copy_link
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that’s crazy if true! He had some of the best urethane outside of the US, most Aussie skaters will swear by his other wheel brand in the late 90s whose name escapes me at this point …


It will be interesting to see what comes of it.

Tim (the original creator of Cockroach, Electric, Cosmo and other brands) is done and not doing them again, but they have tried to get as much info from him and others who are keen to see the shapes, sizes and durometers in good options and not just put "Cockroach branding" on generic wheels out of a mass produced factory, so it is looking good in that regard.

As to exactly what and where, I don't have details, but they are being made here in Australia, will be printed in Brisbane and should be a really amazing product, all going to plan.  Then when is still not finalised, last I heard, but they are not too far off.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on March 06, 2022, 11:55:25 PM
wheel weight is a step too far if you ask me
we really gotta focus on how bearrings tip the scales
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on March 07, 2022, 12:21:07 AM
wheel weight is a step too far if you ask me
we really gotta focus on how bearrings tip the scales

On paper its not that much because its fairly minimal compared to other components if you keep the size constant. But in practice, classics and conical fulls can feel very different for some flatground tricks due to the slight weight difference.

This is exacerbated when you have very wide trucks as it pushes the weight towards the edges further away from the center.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 07, 2022, 07:20:06 AM
wheel weight is a step too far if you ask me
we really gotta focus on how bearrings tip the scales

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/531/557/a88.jpg)

Only grip 60% of the board where your feet will be.
No washers, if you must only titanium ones.
4 bolts, titanium only.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 07, 2022, 07:20:25 AM
There was some pro nerd on the Nein Club who was saying that the main difference is Conicals have a squared off edge so they don’t scoop the same. It’s also more surface area for slides and on some crooks it might effect the pinch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 07, 2022, 07:53:00 AM
Agree with the pro nerd then, on the 9. The square shape feels like it kinda blocks some stuff (obviously this is super subtle, and really just more of an excuse for me than anything else).

As to wheel weights, I don’t think there is a wide variance in weight based off of shape. Or that I want to forgo skating wheels or anything, more that it is a piece of information that is not listed is all. When EE3 came out and we all upgraded to 60s overnight, I recall thinking my shit weighed a lot more. Wasn’t necessarily bad, just heavier.
I did have one of my all time best days riding a skateboard, 20 ish years ago, on a setup that had these really fucked up spitfire cored wheels that were noticeably lighter. Shit was poppin. Wheels were terrible tho. Lasted a week and felt gross. 10/10 would.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on March 07, 2022, 05:04:21 PM
There was some pro nerd on the Nein Club who was saying that the main difference is Conicals have a squared off edge so they don’t scoop the same. It’s also more surface area for slides and on some crooks it might effect the pinch.

Effect pinch in a hood or bad way?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on March 07, 2022, 05:11:21 PM
Exemplary instances of pinch shall henceforth be referred to as hood.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on March 07, 2022, 05:21:45 PM
Exemplary instances of pinch shall henceforth be referred to as hood.

Foy got that hood pinch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 07, 2022, 05:23:39 PM
I think it was Joslin actually but I don’t wanna re watch.

2nd sesh on these 54 loopholes and they feel slower than the 99a F4 they replaced. How long is the break in?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 07, 2022, 06:12:49 PM
Ben Degros has some great videos on all of the stuff being discussed on this page.

The way he describes flips on Round vs. Square wheels:

Round Wheel: Starts rolling over earlier in the trick and easier with less resistance. A sooner and more natural flick that doesn't require as much force to start.

Square Wheel: Requires more force.Gives you a more sharp edges resistance to the flick, but then once it finally starts flipping (later than the round wheels) it flips faster. He actually says the flip almost doesn't start until he is in the air, where-as round wheels start the flip before airborne.

For grinds...

Square Wheels: Can really dig in and wedge the wheel on grinds like crooked grinds which can really give you too much resistance. Generally more friction with that hard edge. However, it does a great job locking into grinds (50-50s for example) especially on certain edges/coping like ledges.

Round Wheels: Tend to not have as much drag on grinds, but may be harder to lock in certain tricks on certain edges/copings. The rounded shape reduces the surface area dragging in most cases. You don't have to go as fast with less friction, but you may have troubles staying locked on to certain surfaces (again, notably ledges).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbgGwTQHBtY
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 07, 2022, 08:15:20 PM
Surely, if you are good at flip tricks like Ben, you pop first and then flick, thus negating the influence of wheel shape?

If you do shitty early 90s flip tricks like me where the board is often rolling on the ground, then I can see the wheel shape helping.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 09, 2022, 12:59:19 AM
As far as cruiser wheels go, what do people think of Powell G-Slides?

I want to get a proper cruiser wheel that can still powerslide stop on flatground. It seems like they are the biggest/softest wheel that still slides on flat. 59mm 85a with some slide-ability sounds pretty good to me, but might also be a bit hard for a cruiser. Does anyone know if they chunk?

What do you all think?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 09, 2022, 05:50:51 AM
As far as cruiser wheels go, what do people think of Powell G-Slides?

I want to get a proper cruiser wheel that can still powerslide stop on flatground. It seems like they are the biggest/softest wheel that still slides on flat. 59mm 85a with some slide-ability sounds pretty good to me, but might also be a bit hard for a cruiser. Does anyone know if they chunk?

What do you all think?

I had two sets of Gslides and they both slid well until the outer layer of urethane wore off, then they were just another super grippy cruiser wheel. That took maybe a day or two. They didn’t chunk for me, though the rough riders chunked like crazy when I tried those.

I’ve found the Powell bombers to be way better in this department because they are still soft, but slide decent and the slide never goes away. They also don’t chunk at all, in my experience.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 09, 2022, 05:53:10 AM
As far as cruiser wheels go, what do people think of Powell G-Slides?

I want to get a proper cruiser wheel that can still powerslide stop on flatground. It seems like they are the biggest/softest wheel that still slides on flat. 59mm 85a with some slide-ability sounds pretty good to me, but might also be a bit hard for a cruiser. Does anyone know if they chunk?

What do you all think?

I have a couple of sets, used from other people and they look near mint, even though I know at least one set has had a beating over a few years on his setup.

To ride, they are very smooth and fast and yes I can slide with a little "EEERRRR" to a stop on smooth concrete from a couple of pushes.

I seem to recall seeing they were one of the highest priced wheels on the market too, but I could easily be wrong there.

Going back over comments from a search, I cannot find the posts, but I do recall others had them and liked them a lot.

With the more normal sizes and wide squared shape, they work well on a normal board setup with minimal risers on the ones I have set up, which is easier than having to get or use taller risers with much bigger 60+ mm wheels on cruisers too, so you can have them on a board you can still easily pop up a curb or ollie over something.


Edit:

I found some in the Cruiser thread, best example here from @yourbreakfsat


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=38836.msg3156248#msg3156248


And more recently here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=38836.msg3731013#msg3731013

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 09, 2022, 07:13:37 AM
3 sessions on my Loopholes on pretty good ground and still don’t feel as fast as the smaller F4 they replaced. Another weird thing is they’re shedding chunks. It’s not abnormal for wheels to do this especially on asphalt, but I never have that happen with F4 on the same ground. So far I’m not super sold on em.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 09, 2022, 07:48:32 AM
Thanks guys... I'll definitely look into Powell Bombers. I didn't know G Slides lost their slide. What's the point in that?


I'm pretty excited about getting some big soft wheels. The streets around here are brutally crusty and very busy. Not a good combo. It will be nice to have a board for a relaxing ride where I'm not battling the road.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 09, 2022, 07:59:19 AM
3 sessions on my Loopholes on pretty good ground and still don’t feel as fast as the smaller F4 they replaced. Another weird thing is they’re shedding chunks. It’s not abnormal for wheels to do this especially on asphalt, but I never have that happen with F4 on the same ground. So far I’m not super sold on em.

I'm about three sessions deep on my first set also. they are holding up well and feel like they suck up rough ground well for a hard wheel. However, they are too sticky for my taste. The slip to grip ratio is just not as good. Maybe on steep rough hills like those guys skate they'd be ideal?

Good wheels but back to F4s once these are cooked for sure. its always good to try different wheels every once in awhile so you can remind yourself how good F4s are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on March 09, 2022, 08:03:09 AM
I ordered a set of the 58mm 99a Snot wheels from the new drop.  I will report back on how they skate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on March 09, 2022, 08:12:27 AM
Surely, if you are good at flip tricks like Ben, you pop first and then flick, thus negating the influence of wheel shape?

If you do shitty early 90s flip tricks like me where the board is often rolling on the ground, then I can see the wheel shape helping.

nah it makes a difference on certain tricks (not flatground mostly) but usually pinchy tricks (for me)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Qebrus on March 11, 2022, 05:59:04 AM
Take the plunge on some of the new drop 53mm 99a snot wheels or go with the fan favourite f4 classics 99a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 11, 2022, 08:43:29 AM
Take the plunge on some of the new drop 53mm 99a snot wheels or go with the fan favourite f4 classics 99a?

Depends on the price I'd say and your expectations. For under $30 non-F4 wheels are a fun change up, even better if they are $25 or less with a discount. I assume Snot wheels are from Creative Urethane, good but not F4 great.

Above $35 and I'd stick to F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on March 11, 2022, 08:49:20 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ca8lqtLFvSS/?utm_medium=copy_link
Does Acid pour their own in house ?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on March 11, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ca8lqtLFvSS/?utm_medium=copy_link
Does Acid pour their own in house ?

i think so, i wanna say i remember seeing them have some posts/stories with wheel cutting/shaping?

power edit - i remembered right https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ1qmQgjQtg/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Qebrus on March 11, 2022, 10:16:35 AM
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Depends on the price I'd say and your expectations. For under $30 non-F4 wheels are a fun change up, even better if they are $25 or less with a discount. I assume Snot wheels are from Creative Urethane, good but not F4 great.

Above $35 and I'd stick to F4.

Fuck it for £20 cheaper it’s worth a punt, they’re already going on my 10” egg, AF1 77 so might as well experiment. Plus the pale blue n black core is hot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: animalflesh on March 11, 2022, 10:53:54 AM
Doubling up on some of the new slimeballs will report back

(https://i.ibb.co/nBZKnn6/F7-D4-D93-A-6-AA4-47-A6-BC47-8-B39-D5257-D4-C.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Buster_Poosey on March 11, 2022, 12:00:12 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ca8lqtLFvSS/?utm_medium=copy_link
Does Acid pour their own in house ?

Yes, Acid pours, cuts, prints, and packages in their warehouse located in Oceanside Ca. The wheels are awesome
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Justrollingthru on March 11, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ou2S27D.jpeg

Recently just bought my first pair of spitfire wheels ever and one wheel is noticably wobbly. I took the bearings off multiple times, mixed them up, bought a bearing press, did it all again multiple times and that's the long story short.

https://imgur.com/a/3vINWLG (here's the imgur video of the wheel spinning. I'm still learning how to make media appear on here.)

I've mostly skated bones stf, and rictas for street/park skating and a some ojs and satoris for cruiser wheels.

I'm pretty bummed on this.

The lower quality of the gif doesn't even do a justice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 11, 2022, 01:03:33 PM
So I’ve got some f4 classics, same shit. I thought it was the graphic being not centered, didn’t think too much of it. Mine aren’t as wobbly. Not very fast. I’m chocking it up to how it goes sometimes. What am I gonna do? Not skate f4s? Shits are like $40, last 8x what wheels used to last
Not ideal tho
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 11, 2022, 01:07:15 PM
I too have a bad set of F4s where the bearing keeps coming unseated in one of the wheels. I know DLX customer service is known to be super responsive, but I've been slacking on getting in touch with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 11, 2022, 01:11:04 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ou2S27D.jpeg

Recently just bought my first pair of spitfire wheels ever and one wheel is noticably wobbly. I took the bearings off multiple times, mixed them up, bought a bearing press, did it all again multiple times and that's the long story short.

https://imgur.com/a/3vINWLG (here's the imgur video of the wheel spinning. I'm still learning how to make media appear on here.)

I've mostly skated bones stf, and rictas for street/park skating and a some ojs and satoris for cruiser wheels.

I'm pretty bummed on this.

The lower quality of the gif doesn't even do a justice.

Contact them here and make sure to include where you bought them from and include all relevant media.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/guaranteed/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on March 11, 2022, 05:53:15 PM
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Take the plunge on some of the new drop 53mm 99a snot wheels or go with the fan favourite f4 classics 99a?
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Depends on the price I'd say and your expectations. For under $30 non-F4 wheels are a fun change up, even better if they are $25 or less with a discount. I assume Snot wheels are from Creative Urethane, good but not F4 great.

Above $35 and I'd stick to F4.
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Fuck it for £20 cheaper it’s worth a punt, they’re already going on my 10” egg, AF1 77 so might as well experiment. Plus the pale blue n black core is hot

(https://i.ibb.co/WgR0ZNw/E85-DF006-DD5-B-443-F-BB73-25500-F0-C06-C9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WgR0ZNw)

I just got the 58s.  They look cool but so far I’ve had a mental block to actually setting them up on my board cause they’re so much more narrow than all the conical, v-cut, and radial shape wheels I’ve skated recently.  Gonna take the plunge and throw them on there this week. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Qebrus on March 12, 2022, 12:36:20 AM
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Take the plunge on some of the new drop 53mm 99a snot wheels or go with the fan favourite f4 classics 99a?
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Depends on the price I'd say and your expectations. For under $30 non-F4 wheels are a fun change up, even better if they are $25 or less with a discount. I assume Snot wheels are from Creative Urethane, good but not F4 great.

Above $35 and I'd stick to F4.
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Fuck it for £20 cheaper it’s worth a punt, they’re already going on my 10” egg, AF1 77 so might as well experiment. Plus the pale blue n black core is hot
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(https://i.ibb.co/WgR0ZNw/E85-DF006-DD5-B-443-F-BB73-25500-F0-C06-C9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WgR0ZNw)

I just got the 58s.  They look cool but so far I’ve had a mental block to actually setting them up on my board cause they’re so much more narrow than all the conical, v-cut, and radial shape wheels I’ve skated recently.  Gonna take the plunge and throw them on there this week.

Very similar mindset to me then. Never really given the classic cut much of a go. Looking proper good though!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Justrollingthru on March 12, 2022, 01:03:54 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/ou2S27D.jpeg

Recently just bought my first pair of spitfire wheels ever and one wheel is noticably wobbly. I took the bearings off multiple times, mixed them up, bought a bearing press, did it all again multiple times and that's the long story short.

https://imgur.com/a/3vINWLG (here's the imgur video of the wheel spinning. I'm still learning how to make media appear on here.)

I've mostly skated bones stf, and rictas for street/park skating and a some ojs and satoris for cruiser wheels.

I'm pretty bummed on this.

The lower quality of the gif doesn't even do a justice.
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Contact them here and make sure to include where you bought them from and include all relevant media.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/guaranteed/

Yeah holy shit thanks I had no idea it was like that.

I'm not trashing spitfire, I'm still hyped. It's my first pair and I think spitfire is sick but for real tho. out of all the wheels I've ever skated; Bones, ricta, satori, board brand wheels, haha flip tri cuts was my first "real" wheel, but all that to say I've never had an issue with any other wheel like this. Every other wheel had rolled straight.

And yeah I emailed them, Cameron something got back to me and requested all the required stuff. I provided all the required shit including video and it's been two days and I've heard nothing. I'm honestly getting kinda butt hurt now.

Really hoping to get a replacement set. Hell I even started off asking for just one wheel to get sent to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on March 12, 2022, 04:19:32 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/ou2S27D.jpeg

Recently just bought my first pair of spitfire wheels ever and one wheel is noticably wobbly. I took the bearings off multiple times, mixed them up, bought a bearing press, did it all again multiple times and that's the long story short.

https://imgur.com/a/3vINWLG (here's the imgur video of the wheel spinning. I'm still learning how to make media appear on here.)

I've mostly skated bones stf, and rictas for street/park skating and a some ojs and satoris for cruiser wheels.

I'm pretty bummed on this.

The lower quality of the gif doesn't even do a justice.
[close]

Contact them here and make sure to include where you bought them from and include all relevant media.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/guaranteed/
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Yeah holy shit thanks I had no idea it was like that.

I'm not trashing spitfire, I'm still hyped. It's my first pair and I think spitfire is sick but for real tho. out of all the wheels I've ever skated; Bones, ricta, satori, board brand wheels, haha flip tri cuts was my first "real" wheel, but all that to say I've never had an issue with any other wheel like this. Every other wheel had rolled straight.

And yeah I emailed them, Cameron something got back to me and requested all the required stuff. I provided all the required shit including video and it's been two days and I've heard nothing. I'm honestly getting kinda butt hurt now.

Really hoping to get a replacement set. Hell I even started off asking for just one wheel to get sent to me.
You could have just taken them back to the shop you got them from and asked for a different pair. I know the guys at my shop have no problem replacing faulty gear and it would be alot easier for them to get ahold of a dlx rep to get an extra pair added to their inventory.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 12, 2022, 12:43:59 PM
I just ordered some Spitfire F4 Radial Full 56mm. No idea what to expect.

The specs I've seen on store sites says that they are slightly wider (contact patch and overall) than Conical Fulls of the same diameter, but about comparable. I think with the rounded edges, these things will be even better at rolling up to sketchy spots. Hopefully the rounded edges also make them slide a bit easier without that hard edge biting the ground.

I wonder which is going to get the axe from Spitfire between the three: Radial Slim, Radial, and Radial Full.

To me it seems like Radial slim still fills a huge hole in their line-up, but I feel like either Radial or Radial Full has to go. Makes sense for them to push "the rounded version of our most popular wheel" in the Radial Full. I could see them becoming the third choice behind Conical Full and Classics for that very reason.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on March 12, 2022, 01:19:25 PM
Has anyone tried the oj elite 99 or 101? I’m looking to get either those or the shin sanbongi model in 58mm, Id be curious to hear what they are like in comparison to Spit 99s or loopholes as im looking to try something different and to go back to something above 56.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 12, 2022, 01:43:45 PM
Has anyone tried the oj elite 99 or 101? I’m looking to get either those or the shin sanbongi model in 58mm, Id be curious to hear what they are like in comparison to Spit 99s or loopholes as im looking to try something different and to go back to something above 56.

OJ elite 101 are decent if you like hard wheels. Not as hard or slidey as Bones STF. I posted a review in this thread if you want to read it: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3747972#msg3747972

TL;Dr they're worthy wheels, but I would only grab them if they're on sale or STF/F4 aren't available.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on March 12, 2022, 02:31:39 PM
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Has anyone tried the oj elite 99 or 101? I’m looking to get either those or the shin sanbongi model in 58mm, Id be curious to hear what they are like in comparison to Spit 99s or loopholes as im looking to try something different and to go back to something above 56.
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OJ elite 101 are decent if you like hard wheels. Not as hard or slidey as Bones STF. I posted a review in this thread if you want to read it: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3747972#msg3747972

TL;Dr they're worthy wheels, but I would only grab them if they're on sale or STF/F4 aren't available.

Cheers for the reply
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 12, 2022, 04:25:21 PM
I just ordered some Spitfire F4 Radial Full 56mm. No idea what to expect.

The specs I've seen on store sites says that they are slightly wider (contact patch and overall) than Conical Fulls of the same diameter, but about comparable. I think with the rounded edges, these things will be even better at rolling up to sketchy spots. Hopefully the rounded edges also make them slide a bit easier without that hard edge biting the ground.

I wonder which is going to get the axe from Spitfire between the three: Radial Slim, Radial, and Radial Full.

To me it seems like Radial slim still fills a huge hole in their line-up, but I feel like either Radial or Radial Full has to go. Makes sense for them to push "the rounded version of our most popular wheel" in the Radial Full. I could see them becoming the third choice behind Conical Full and Classics for that very reason.

Radial Full is significantly chunkier than an equivalent Conical Full, like a quarter inch wider both on the contact patch and the overall width of the wheel.

EDIT—I’m an idiot. Those are regular Conicals I was comparing them to lol.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on March 12, 2022, 05:12:54 PM
I just ordered some Spitfire F4 Radial Full 56mm. No idea what to expect.

The specs I've seen on store sites says that they are slightly wider (contact patch and overall) than Conical Fulls of the same diameter, but about comparable. I think with the rounded edges, these things will be even better at rolling up to sketchy spots. Hopefully the rounded edges also make them slide a bit easier without that hard edge biting the ground.

I wonder which is going to get the axe from Spitfire between the three: Radial Slim, Radial, and Radial Full.

To me it seems like Radial slim still fills a huge hole in their line-up, but I feel like either Radial or Radial Full has to go. Makes sense for them to push "the rounded version of our most popular wheel" in the Radial Full. I could see them becoming the third choice behind Conical Full and Classics for that very reason.

I’m currently skating 57 mm Radial Fulls.  They’re excellent wheels. 

For comparison, for me the Conical Fulls are a little better than the OG Classics for slappies cause they’re more rounded on the edges and look cooler than the OG Classics cause they’re a little wider (AFAIK).  The Radial Fulls are wider than even Conical Fulls and more rounded than the Conical Fulls so they’re kind of like the most evolved form of the wider cut Spitfire F4 wheels offered.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 12, 2022, 07:20:02 PM
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I just ordered some Spitfire F4 Radial Full 56mm. No idea what to expect.

The specs I've seen on store sites says that they are slightly wider (contact patch and overall) than Conical Fulls of the same diameter, but about comparable. I think with the rounded edges, these things will be even better at rolling up to sketchy spots. Hopefully the rounded edges also make them slide a bit easier without that hard edge biting the ground.

I wonder which is going to get the axe from Spitfire between the three: Radial Slim, Radial, and Radial Full.

To me it seems like Radial slim still fills a huge hole in their line-up, but I feel like either Radial or Radial Full has to go. Makes sense for them to push "the rounded version of our most popular wheel" in the Radial Full. I could see them becoming the third choice behind Conical Full and Classics for that very reason.
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Radial Full is significantly chunkier than an equivalent Conical Full, like a quarter inch wider both on the contact patch and the overall width of the wheel.

EDIT—I’m an idiot. Those are regular Conicals I was comparing them to lol.


They are still wider than anything else though.

The Radial Full 56mm wheels are 39mm wide with 26mm contact patch.


All the info is in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, charts and such here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3724959#msg3724959


The pics of the Spitfire wheels backing cards are huge when opened, so it is easy to see all the specs of all the wheels.

There are two different cards on that post, so at least it has almost everything to go by.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on March 12, 2022, 07:45:44 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ou2S27D.jpeg

Recently just bought my first pair of spitfire wheels ever and one wheel is noticably wobbly. I took the bearings off multiple times, mixed them up, bought a bearing press, did it all again multiple times and that's the long story short.

https://imgur.com/a/3vINWLG (here's the imgur video of the wheel spinning. I'm still learning how to make media appear on here.)

I've mostly skated bones stf, and rictas for street/park skating and a some ojs and satoris for cruiser wheels.

I'm pretty bummed on this.

The lower quality of the gif doesn't even do a justice.

I had the same problem with 2 sets of those F4 OG Classics in 52mm and 55mm.

After I sent an email to DLX I was eventually sent replacements. It took a while but they handled it.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on March 13, 2022, 12:09:18 AM
Has anyone tried the oj elite 99 or 101? I’m looking to get either those or the shin sanbongi model in 58mm, Id be curious to hear what they are like in comparison to Spit 99s or loopholes as im looking to try something different and to go back to something above 56.

not sure if u are aware but a reminder sanbongis are not elite formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 144p on March 13, 2022, 07:53:57 AM
The latest batch of oj wheels non elite have been great, have the Sanbongi 56 99a mini combo set up and love the screech sound that is much deeper than f4 slide sounds. They are fast and slide well on most surfaces and are a bit grippier than f4 in instances I need them to be. No flat spots but noticed they are wearing out a bit faster than I expected.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on March 13, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
The latest batch of oj wheels non elite have been great, have the Sanbongi 56 99a mini combo set up and love the screech sound that is much deeper than f4 slide sounds. They are fast and slide well on most surfaces and are a bit grippier than f4 in instances I need them to be. No flat spots but noticed they are wearing out a bit faster than I expected.

thats kinda good if theyre so fat
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TerrorizedCivilian on March 13, 2022, 12:29:58 PM
The latest batch of oj wheels non elite have been great, have the Sanbongi 56 99a mini combo set up and love the screech sound that is much deeper than f4 slide sounds. They are fast and slide well on most surfaces and are a bit grippier than f4 in instances I need them to be. No flat spots but noticed they are wearing out a bit faster than I expected.

Thanks this is very useful because i looked at vids of the elites skating but they didn’t have the same amount of bark as when shin was skating his model, makes me eager to try a set for something different.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on March 13, 2022, 12:34:43 PM
Hated my minicombos, flatspotted really fast and couldn't ride them out. Also where i live, it's same price as Spitfires so not worth it for me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 13, 2022, 04:44:54 PM
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3 sessions on my Loopholes on pretty good ground and still don’t feel as fast as the smaller F4 they replaced. Another weird thing is they’re shedding chunks. It’s not abnormal for wheels to do this especially on asphalt, but I never have that happen with F4 on the same ground. So far I’m not super sold on em.
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I'm about three sessions deep on my first set also. they are holding up well and feel like they suck up rough ground well for a hard wheel. However, they are too sticky for my taste. The slip to grip ratio is just not as good. Maybe on steep rough hills like those guys skate they'd be ideal?

Good wheels but back to F4s once these are cooked for sure. its always good to try different wheels every once in awhile so you can remind yourself how good F4s are.
they will slide better than f4s in 99 once they break in; first few sessions on them can be sticky but once you hit that sweet spot, I’ll doubt you’ll go back…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 14, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
Has anyone tried the oj elite 99 or 101? I’m looking to get either those or the shin sanbongi model in 58mm, Id be curious to hear what they are like in comparison to Spit 99s or loopholes as im looking to try something different and to go back to something above 56.

Honestly, I thought they were terrible. They were a noticeably tougher and slower ride than the other big guys. I know plenty of good skaters ride them and some picky nerds here think they’re good, but I don’t get what appeal they hold when the cost is functionally the same as F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 14, 2022, 10:52:51 AM
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3 sessions on my Loopholes on pretty good ground and still don’t feel as fast as the smaller F4 they replaced. Another weird thing is they’re shedding chunks. It’s not abnormal for wheels to do this especially on asphalt, but I never have that happen with F4 on the same ground. So far I’m not super sold on em.
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I'm about three sessions deep on my first set also. they are holding up well and feel like they suck up rough ground well for a hard wheel. However, they are too sticky for my taste. The slip to grip ratio is just not as good. Maybe on steep rough hills like those guys skate they'd be ideal?

Good wheels but back to F4s once these are cooked for sure. its always good to try different wheels every once in awhile so you can remind yourself how good F4s are.
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they will slide better than f4s in 99 once they break in; first few sessions on them can be sticky but once you hit that sweet spot, I’ll doubt you’ll go back…

I want to believe you but I've skated them a few more times and they just don't slide the way I like. Also, I finally took them to a skatepark and they are slower than the F4s I was on before them. Still great feeling wheel and fast in the streets. I'll definitely keep riding them until this current deck dies. So far, I'd put them ahead of Creative and Bones but not F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on March 14, 2022, 11:44:43 AM
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Has anyone tried the oj elite 99 or 101? I’m looking to get either those or the shin sanbongi model in 58mm, Id be curious to hear what they are like in comparison to Spit 99s or loopholes as im looking to try something different and to go back to something above 56.
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Honestly, I thought they were terrible. They were a noticeably tougher and slower ride than the other big guys. I know plenty of good skaters ride them and some picky nerds here think they’re good, but I don’t get what appeal they hold when the cost is functionally the same as F4.

I ride both, f4 and elite 99a. Ojs feel more forgiving on rougher ground and offer more grip on slick surfaces. In terms of speed I do not notice any difference. My opinion:
Slow speed and easy slide->f4 , for everything else ->99a elite
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: realbasedgod112 on March 14, 2022, 04:19:11 PM
had the elite 101a mini combos in 54mm a while ago, they didn't feel terrible but they probably were shit value.
they didn't seem to slide as well as my stfs, despite the act that they were 99a. the OJs felt more like a 95a if anything.
if you live/skate at places with a lot of crust they'd probably be worth it, because that's something they handle well.
they also flatspotted pretty quick, but considering i was trying to slide as far as i could that's somewhat to be expected.

overall they're OKAY, but there's a lot of better value wheels for the price.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 14, 2022, 08:03:47 PM
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3 sessions on my Loopholes on pretty good ground and still don’t feel as fast as the smaller F4 they replaced. Another weird thing is they’re shedding chunks. It’s not abnormal for wheels to do this especially on asphalt, but I never have that happen with F4 on the same ground. So far I’m not super sold on em.
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I'm about three sessions deep on my first set also. they are holding up well and feel like they suck up rough ground well for a hard wheel. However, they are too sticky for my taste. The slip to grip ratio is just not as good. Maybe on steep rough hills like those guys skate they'd be ideal?

Good wheels but back to F4s once these are cooked for sure. its always good to try different wheels every once in awhile so you can remind yourself how good F4s are.
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they will slide better than f4s in 99 once they break in; first few sessions on them can be sticky but once you hit that sweet spot, I’ll doubt you’ll go back…
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I want to believe you but I've skated them a few more times and they just don't slide the way I like. Also, I finally took them to a skatepark and they are slower than the F4s I was on before them. Still great feeling wheel and fast in the streets. I'll definitely keep riding them until this current deck dies. So far, I'd put them ahead of Creative and Bones but not F4.
keep us updated! My 52 barked like crazy in the beginning and now they slide like fucking butter!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 14, 2022, 09:04:46 PM
I still find it weird their wheels aren’t sized by the number. I’ve never had a pair of Spitfire come under spec but my 2 pairs of Loops have been.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 15, 2022, 08:55:30 AM
I still find it weird their wheels aren’t sized by the number. I’ve never had a pair of Spitfire come under spec but my 2 pairs of Loops have been.

That’s strange. My two pairs of NFG (one NFG and one Loophole) are both more or less spot on at 54mm, as measured with some cheap Harbor Freight calipers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 15, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
My 52's back in 2020 were 50.9 new, my recent 54's measured: 53.4 to 53.7 no wheel was the same.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 15, 2022, 10:00:20 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(https://i.ibb.co/ZKkG1rB/178813-D7-D330-4009-9061-5-FD57-AD612-AA.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZKkG1rB)

(https://i.ibb.co/WGN39c5/BB16-D049-587-D-476-E-B5-B8-7-FF9-F4332679.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WGN39c5)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 15, 2022, 10:03:11 AM
Weird. I mean, tenths of a MM is jack shit, but it's super weird that my Spitfires come out identical all 4 in a package.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on March 15, 2022, 10:10:47 AM
Weird. I mean, tenths of a MM is jack shit, but it's super weird that my Spitfires come out identical all 4 in a package.

I’ll take your word for it because I don’t have any fresh Spits to measure, but I don’t find it surprising that Spitfire has marginally tighter tolerance control. They’re a much bigger company with what I imagine is more refined equipment and manufacturing process. And yes, ultimately the difference is completely negligible, as no one is going to experience any difference between a wheel measuring 54.06mm and another measuring 54.14mm (some of which is probably attributable to the calipers themselves). I expect that this is the amount of uneven wear one would experience after a single session.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 15, 2022, 10:38:58 AM
As I understand it Loophole/NFG is some dudes mixing and pouring urethane wheels before hand shaping them on a lathe.  There is no question the reigning behemoth in the hardgoods market will turn out a more uniform product, and there is also no question that measuring new wheels with calipers to see if they're actually the right size is diagnoseable psychopathology.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: realbasedgod112 on March 15, 2022, 08:25:24 PM
i have been redirected here from another thread.
what are the widest contact patch wheels i can get with a small diameter? i'm talking something in the 20-30mm contact patch range under 54mm diameter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on March 15, 2022, 08:33:16 PM
i have been redirected here from another thread.
what are the widest contact patch wheels i can get with a small diameter? i'm talking something in the 20-30mm contact patch range under 54mm diameter.
I like the 52mm OG Classics - 21.5mm which is half a mil smaller than a 54mm CF. The streets around me are surprisingly chunky so I went through a whole thing with this.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 15, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
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i have been redirected here from another thread.
what are the widest contact patch wheels i can get with a small diameter? i'm talking something in the 20-30mm contact patch range under 54mm diameter.
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I like the 52mm OG Classics - 21.5mm which is half a mil smaller than a 54mm CF. The streets around me are surprisingly chunky so I went through a whole thing with this.

Shape   Size   Width   Contact Patch   Width to Contact Patch Ratio
Classics   52   32.00   15.50   48.44%
OG Classics   52   31.00   21.50   69.35%
Classic Full   52   ?   ?   ?
Radial   52   32.50   19.00   58.46%
Radial Slim   52   30.00   18.50   61.67%
Radial Full   ?   ?   ?   ?
Conical   52   31.50   19.50   61.90%
Conical Full   ?   32.50   21.00   64.62%
Tablet   52   29.00   20.00   68.97%
Lock Ins   52   32.00   20.00   62.50%


Can't find the specs for Classic Full and Radial Full (doesn't come in 52mm), but the ratios should scale according to wheel size.

Skinniest wheel with the widest contact patch is OG Classic, but I'd go with Tablets to save weight and keep the board feeling nimble.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on March 15, 2022, 10:18:48 PM
I had a pair of loopholes listed at 56mm that all measured around 55mm.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 16, 2022, 07:46:26 AM
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i have been redirected here from another thread.
what are the widest contact patch wheels i can get with a small diameter? i'm talking something in the 20-30mm contact patch range under 54mm diameter.
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I like the 52mm OG Classics - 21.5mm which is half a mil smaller than a 54mm CF. The streets around me are surprisingly chunky so I went through a whole thing with this.
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Shape   Size   Width   Contact Patch   Width to Contact Patch Ratio
Classics   52   32.00   15.50   48.44%
OG Classics   52   31.00   21.50   69.35%
Classic Full   52   ?   ?   ?
Radial   52   32.50   19.00   58.46%
Radial Slim   52   30.00   18.50   61.67%
Radial Full   ?   ?   ?   ?
Conical   52   31.50   19.50   61.90%
Conical Full   ?   32.50   21.00   64.62%
Tablet   52   29.00   20.00   68.97%
Lock Ins   52   32.00   20.00   62.50%


Can't find the specs for Classic Full and Radial Full (doesn't come in 52mm), but the ratios should scale according to wheel size.

Skinniest wheel with the widest contact patch is OG Classic, but I'd go with Tablets to save weight and keep the board feeling nimble.

I just pulled all the Spitfire info and put it all in the most recent post:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3759408#msg3759408


Sorry it is late, so I didn't go through and fill out all the rest of the info there.

At least it is all in the one place and easier to see now.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 16, 2022, 08:19:46 AM
I had a pair of loopholes listed at 56mm that all measured around 55mm.

A pair of 4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Solex on March 16, 2022, 12:00:18 PM
i have been redirected here from another thread.
what are the widest contact patch wheels i can get with a small diameter? i'm talking something in the 20-30mm contact patch range under 54mm diameter.
I forgot the OG Classics just a haïr wider than the Conical Full in the other thread, they aren't in the official chart...

Sorry!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on March 16, 2022, 02:19:59 PM
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I had a pair of loopholes listed at 56mm that all measured around 55mm.
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A pair of 4
dammit!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on March 20, 2022, 12:09:13 PM
Damn all this loophole slander, I’ve been happy with my purchases, sucks you guys are bummed, to each their own I suppose
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2022, 12:16:51 PM
Not bummed on Loopholes. Def great wheels but yes, mine also came in smaller than advertised and they are not as good as F4s for my purposes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on March 20, 2022, 02:25:10 PM
I got some G-Slides recently. They kind of sort of powerslide, but not far, and not on every type of ground. It’s harder to get them to slide on smoother ground for some reason. They are a lot more functional than a traditional cruiser wheel though. I was able to tailslide and noseslide with them without significant effort. Crooked grinds and feebles both seemed to work out. Slappies were fine. Flip tricks were fine. I wish they had a classic styled shape compared to the sharp edges, but maybe that kind of shape wouldn’t hold up in that soft of a durometer. Overall I’d say they’d be a good choice for someone looking to have some functionality on their cruiser board. Just don’t expect them to powerslide like a hard wheel does
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 20, 2022, 03:14:12 PM
I got some G-Slides recently. They kind of sort of powerslide, but not far, and not on every type of ground. It’s harder to get them to slide on smoother ground for some reason. They are a lot more functional than a traditional cruiser wheel though. I was able to tailslide and noseslide with them without significant effort. Crooked grinds and feebles both seemed to work out. Slappies were fine. Flip tricks were fine. I wish they had a classic styled shape compared to the sharp edges, but maybe that kind of shape wouldn’t hold up in that soft of a durometer. Overall I’d say they’d be a good choice for someone looking to have some functionality on their cruiser board. Just don’t expect them to powerslide like a hard wheel does

Cool, thanks for the info. I'll consider them. I need my cruiser wheel to powerslide or I will die in traffic lol.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on March 20, 2022, 06:52:53 PM
I got some G-Slides recently. They kind of sort of powerslide, but not far, and not on every type of ground. It’s harder to get them to slide on smoother ground for some reason. They are a lot more functional than a traditional cruiser wheel though. I was able to tailslide and noseslide with them without significant effort. Crooked grinds and feebles both seemed to work out. Slappies were fine. Flip tricks were fine. I wish they had a classic styled shape compared to the sharp edges, but maybe that kind of shape wouldn’t hold up in that soft of a durometer. Overall I’d say they’d be a good choice for someone looking to have some functionality on their cruiser board. Just don’t expect them to powerslide like a hard wheel does
gslides are the truth
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on March 21, 2022, 09:12:56 AM
I got some G-Slides recently. They kind of sort of powerslide, but not far, and not on every type of ground. It’s harder to get them to slide on smoother ground for some reason. They are a lot more functional than a traditional cruiser wheel though. I was able to tailslide and noseslide with them without significant effort. Crooked grinds and feebles both seemed to work out. Slappies were fine. Flip tricks were fine. I wish they had a classic styled shape compared to the sharp edges, but maybe that kind of shape wouldn’t hold up in that soft of a durometer. Overall I’d say they’d be a good choice for someone looking to have some functionality on their cruiser board. Just don’t expect them to powerslide like a hard wheel does

Bones makes a classic shape in their soft All Terrain Formula.  Had a set but passed them to a young homie un-skated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 21, 2022, 03:07:04 PM
Anyone try the new Snots yet? New formula or the big softies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on March 22, 2022, 09:11:58 AM
Bought some Ricta clouds 56mm 78A, and omg! My trick setup feels like im pushing on a steep gradient compared.
Bones reds is simply shit bearings, and F4 classics worn down to 50mm doesnt really help. Suggestions to make my trick setup smoother? Some serious bearings (SKF maybe), and 54mm F4s conicals?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fat Tire on March 22, 2022, 09:43:34 AM
sk8boarding more
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on March 22, 2022, 10:04:47 AM
Bought some Ricta clouds 56mm 78A, and omg! My trick setup feels like im pushing on a steep gradient compared.
Bones reds is simply shit bearings, and F4 classics worn down to 50mm doesnt really help. Suggestions to make my trick setup smoother? Some serious bearings (SKF maybe), and 54mm F4s conicals?

I got the 97a 54mm Conical Fulls and they're pretty sweet. A little sticky on noseslides but perfect for bombing hills.

I don't think bearings make a difference unless yours are messed up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 22, 2022, 10:16:50 AM
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Has anyone tried the oj elite 99 or 101? I’m looking to get either those or the shin sanbongi model in 58mm, Id be curious to hear what they are like in comparison to Spit 99s or loopholes as im looking to try something different and to go back to something above 56.
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OJ elite 101 are decent if you like hard wheels. Not as hard or slidey as Bones STF. I posted a review in this thread if you want to read it: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3747972#msg3747972

TL;Dr they're worthy wheels, but I would only grab them if they're on sale or STF/F4 aren't available.
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Cheers for the reply

I back 101a OJ Elites, but know they are grippier than F4/STF but they do slide just fine, it just takes a bit more speed to get them chirping.

I'd skate them over everything in a glassy park for sure.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bigdave on March 22, 2022, 11:19:17 AM
I just got some Portland Wheel Co 53mm 101As. Would it be accurate to assume they're made in the same spot as Jivaro?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on March 22, 2022, 11:35:40 AM
I just got some Portland Wheel Co 53mm 101As. Would it be accurate to assume they're made in the same spot as Jivaro?

I'm pretty sure they are, they were when I skated some Jivaros ~5 years ago
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on March 22, 2022, 12:15:18 PM
Anyone try the new Snots yet? New formula or the big softies.

The big softies haul ass. I like the em. Before I had OJ Mini Super Juice 55mm.

I haven’t got around to putting the hard Snots on anything yet. They’re more narrow than I’m used to but I couldn’t them up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 22, 2022, 12:38:47 PM
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The big softies haul ass. I like the em. Before I had OJ Mini Super Juice 55mm.

I haven’t got around to putting the hard Snots on anything yet. They’re more narrow than I’m used to but I couldn’t them up.

Awesome, honestly more interested in those than the boogerthane. Thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on March 22, 2022, 02:55:30 PM
Tried a friend's board who had the new formula snot wheels. They slide way, way more than the old formula and have a totally different, higher-pitched bark.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on March 22, 2022, 06:38:13 PM
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The big softies haul ass. I like the em. Before I had OJ Mini Super Juice 55mm.

I haven’t got around to putting the hard Snots on anything yet. They’re more narrow than I’m used to but I couldn’t them up.
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Awesome, honestly more interested in those than the boogerthane. Thanks!

Are the big softies skateable to do tricks on or are they too soft/bouncy?  The shape/size looks amazing.

I skated the set of 58 mm 99a Snots I bought for a little bit today.  They felt harder and had more of a dead pop feel than the F4s I had on my board.  I’ll have to give them another shot.  They did slide though.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 22, 2022, 07:11:55 PM
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Bought some Ricta clouds 56mm 78A, and omg! My trick setup feels like im pushing on a steep gradient compared.
Bones reds is simply shit bearings, and F4 classics worn down to 50mm doesnt really help. Suggestions to make my trick setup smoother? Some serious bearings (SKF maybe), and 54mm F4s conicals?
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I got the 97a 54mm Conical Fulls and they're pretty sweet. A little sticky on noseslides but perfect for bombing hills.

I don't think bearings make a difference unless yours are messed up.

I like them for the crusty Midwest streets I ride... But they're honestly noticeably slower on smooth ground than 101-103 wheels I've ridden. They're also pretty sticky on power slides.

They're great if you know you're going to be riding crust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on March 22, 2022, 07:17:19 PM
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Anyone try the new Snots yet? New formula or the big softies.
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The big softies haul ass. I like the em. Before I had OJ Mini Super Juice 55mm.

I haven’t got around to putting the hard Snots on anything yet. They’re more narrow than I’m used to but I couldn’t them up.
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Awesome, honestly more interested in those than the boogerthane. Thanks!
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Are the big softies skateable to do tricks on or are they too soft/bouncy?  The shape/size looks amazing.

I skated the set of 58 mm 99a Snots I bought for a little bit today.  They felt harder and had more of a dead pop feel than the F4s I had on my board.  I’ll have to give them another shot.  They did slide though.

They’re a bit bouncy. I’m sure someone can do flip tricks with the Big Softies though I probably won’t bother trying because they’re Big and Soft and I’m on Ace 77’s. I attempted some slappy action and pretty much just rolled up the curb. So that’s doable but sticky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on March 23, 2022, 08:05:10 PM
i got the 48mm 101A lil boogers and these things are so fun. way better than the older formula. Slide is pretty decent. I’d say it take a bit more effort than sliding on F4s but i expected that. I think the pop on em feels pretty solid too, but again F4s are just a bit better. Hard to compete with spits.  For the price and if you wanted to support a smaller wheel brand, i’d say they are worth it :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on March 23, 2022, 10:41:38 PM
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Anyone try the new Snots yet? New formula or the big softies.
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The big softies haul ass. I like the em. Before I had OJ Mini Super Juice 55mm.

I haven’t got around to putting the hard Snots on anything yet. They’re more narrow than I’m used to but I couldn’t them up.
I skate the OJ's atm and love em so much. It will be hard to go back harder wheels if I even ever will.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on March 31, 2022, 01:59:17 AM
Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on March 31, 2022, 02:13:00 AM
Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.

Wheels aren't going to teach you technique, but if you just want the maximum of slipperiness get stf 103a/83b wheels.
And if that's not enough, try them out on wet ground. Stay safe
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 31, 2022, 03:03:07 AM
Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
loopholes haven’t unlocked power slides for you? Maybe I already had good technique but those joints opened up new dimensions for me and I’m not even exaggerating. Perhaps F4s in 99 (radial slims if possible) would be a good start? They really helped my get my backside ones down!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 31, 2022, 06:04:04 AM
Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.

Spitfire F4 conical full 99a anywhere from 52-55mm have the best, most consistent slides of any wheels I’ve skated. After that, Bones stf in 103a slide almost as consistently and well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on March 31, 2022, 06:55:03 AM
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Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
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Wheels aren't going to teach you technique, but if you just want the maximum of slipperiness get stf 103a/83b wheels.
And if that's not enough, try them out on wet ground. Stay safe
Definitely a technique issue, not equipment. Maybe check out some longboarder stuff on YouTube- those fools slide shit most skaters would consider impossible.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 31, 2022, 07:05:09 AM
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Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
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Wheels aren't going to teach you technique, but if you just want the maximum of slipperiness get stf 103a/83b wheels.
And if that's not enough, try them out on wet ground. Stay safe
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Definitely a technique issue, not equipment. Maybe check out some longboarder stuff on YouTube- those fools slide shit most skaters would consider impossible.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CaE5X4xlUNh/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 31, 2022, 07:12:24 AM
Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.

Definitely Bones STF 103a.... They slide fairly easily even atb lower speeds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 31, 2022, 11:19:13 AM
Is there a way to prevent asymmetrical wheels from coning that doesn't involve turning them inside out?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 31, 2022, 11:30:10 AM
Yeah, take them off and criss cross them with the wheel diagonal to them.

Like take the back right wheel and put it in the front left.... Front left in back right. Do it for the other two as well.

Make sure the same side is still facing outwards of course.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 31, 2022, 11:41:32 AM
Yeah, take them off and criss cross them with the wheel diagonal to them.

Like take the back right wheel and put it in the front left.... Front left in back right. Do it for the other two as well.

Make sure the same side is still facing outwards of course.

Huh, I've always done that but while flipping them. It'll work if I don't? Kind of cool.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 31, 2022, 12:19:41 PM
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Yeah, take them off and criss cross them with the wheel diagonal to them.

Like take the back right wheel and put it in the front left.... Front left in back right. Do it for the other two as well.

Make sure the same side is still facing outwards of course.
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Huh, I've always done that but while flipping them. It'll work if I don't? Kind of cool.

Yeah it should work just fine. But now you're making me question what I know about coning with you saying you turn them inside out AND criss cross them... I'll have to look into that.

Which asymetrical wheels are you rocking?

The only asymmetrical wheel I've ridden were OJ mini combos. I didn't realize they were asymmetrical until I moved onto my next set of wheels haha. I had the graphics inward which is actually how I would have ridden them if I knew they were assymetrical. Lucky me.

Edit: I'm a bit tired right now, so I'm forgetting what I normally do. Forget the first paragraph for now until I get some caffeine in me haha.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fooj on March 31, 2022, 12:56:17 PM
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Yeah, take them off and criss cross them with the wheel diagonal to them.

Like take the back right wheel and put it in the front left.... Front left in back right. Do it for the other two as well.

Make sure the same side is still facing outwards of course.
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Huh, I've always done that but while flipping them. It'll work if I don't? Kind of cool.

I actually used to do this.
Now I mark them 1-4 starting from the top left going clock wise, every time I set up a new board or clean bearings they go 1 rotation  clockwise. Once 1 gets back to its original spot, then I flip them.

One reason I like classics is by the time it’s time to flip them, all the graphics have worn off.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 31, 2022, 02:19:09 PM
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Yeah, take them off and criss cross them with the wheel diagonal to them.

Like take the back right wheel and put it in the front left.... Front left in back right. Do it for the other two as well.

Make sure the same side is still facing outwards of course.
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Huh, I've always done that but while flipping them. It'll work if I don't? Kind of cool.
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Yeah it should work just fine. But now you're making me question what I know about coning with you saying you turn them inside out AND criss cross them... I'll have to look into that.

Which asymetrical wheels are you rocking?

The only asymmetrical wheel I've ridden were OJ mini combos. I didn't realize they were asymmetrical until I moved onto my next set of wheels haha. I had the graphics inward which is actually how I would have ridden them if I knew they were assymetrical. Lucky me.

Edit: I'm a bit tired right now, so I'm forgetting what I normally do. Forget the first paragraph for now until I get some caffeine in me haha.

IDK, it could be overkill but I've always had good luck with it. Now that I think about it, I don't flip my asymmetrical cruiser wheels when I rotate them and they're fine, but I don't try and power slide or revert on them.

Right now I'm running some crazy Slime Balls that are conical on the outside and kind of radial on the inside. Really liking the shape a lot, but the fact that it breaks my rotation routine fucks with me. I've also been skating them for mere days so I don't know why I am stressing about this.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on March 31, 2022, 03:04:13 PM
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Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
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Wheels aren't going to teach you technique, but if you just want the maximum of slipperiness get stf 103a/83b wheels.
And if that's not enough, try them out on wet ground. Stay safe
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Definitely a technique issue, not equipment. Maybe check out some longboarder stuff on YouTube- those fools slide shit most skaters would consider impossible.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CaE5X4xlUNh/?utm_medium=copy_link

What a great vid. Thanks man.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 31, 2022, 04:51:54 PM
Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.

Practice comes first, but as people have already said Bones STFs 103a helped me out tons with power slides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on March 31, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.

Bones STF 103 - preferably a V3, V4, or V5.
Spitfire F4 101 - conical (not conical full) or some classics.

Both of these slide well, but not only that, they respond to your weight/foot movement to initiate the slide. Some wheels are sluggish to respond, but these will go if you want em or stay if you don't.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on April 04, 2022, 06:11:30 AM
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Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
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Bones STF 103 - preferably a V3, V4, or V5.
Spitfire F4 101 - conical (not conical full) or some classics.

Both of these slide well, but not only that, they respond to your weight/foot movement to initiate the slide. Some wheels are sluggish to respond, but these will go if you want em or stay if you don't.

Thanks for all the feedback guys, really appreciated, and you reckon defo the 103a over the 99a for the STFs?...not gonna shake all my fillings loose on the mean streets?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on April 04, 2022, 07:19:10 AM
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Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
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Bones STF 103 - preferably a V3, V4, or V5.
Spitfire F4 101 - conical (not conical full) or some classics.

Both of these slide well, but not only that, they respond to your weight/foot movement to initiate the slide. Some wheels are sluggish to respond, but these will go if you want em or stay if you don't.
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Thanks for all the feedback guys, really appreciated, and you reckon defo the 103a over the 99a for the STFs?...not gonna shake all my fillings loose on the mean streets?

STF 103A are definitely rattling/unpleasant/slow ride on rough streets (like any other very hard wheels) but if you want slide-ability they will slide, you can't go wrong with them or F4 101. When you get better technique you will be able to do power slides on any wheels, it will just require more effort to break into slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on April 05, 2022, 01:34:46 AM
^ if you are worried about teeth rattling hardness: Bones 99 STFs or Spitfire F4 99 achieve a solid slide while maintaining grip and just enough softness.

I'm riding 101 F4 Conicals right now and I love them for slides but I do miss the slightly better traction of a 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 05, 2022, 02:20:42 AM
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Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
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Bones STF 103 - preferably a V3, V4, or V5.
Spitfire F4 101 - conical (not conical full) or some classics.

Both of these slide well, but not only that, they respond to your weight/foot movement to initiate the slide. Some wheels are sluggish to respond, but these will go if you want em or stay if you don't.
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Thanks for all the feedback guys, really appreciated, and you reckon defo the 103a over the 99a for the STFs?...not gonna shake all my fillings loose on the mean streets?
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STF 103A are definitely rattling/unpleasant/slow ride on rough streets (like any other very hard wheels) but if you want slide-ability they will slide, you can't go wrong with them or F4 101. When you get better technique you will be able to do power slides on any wheels, it will just require more effort to break into slide.

This. STF 103a is my favorite wheel on clean surfaces... they are so fast and slidey as hell in the best way. SO fun!

But, your feet will go numb from riding down even slightly shitty streets. Definitely not a transportation wheel. If you're driving to clean spots and parks, they skate like a dream.

F4 99a have been treating me well. A good compromise wheel. I have some STF 99a in line that I've yet to try. If they are anything like STF 103a I will love them, but from what I've heard, they are pretty sticky which I would not be a fan of.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sila on April 05, 2022, 03:37:15 AM
Yeah I retired my stf 99a after just a few sessions they are a bit sticky and I didn't enjoy them that much on even slightly rough surfaces
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: El Freegano on April 05, 2022, 04:34:28 AM
Yeah I retired my stf 99a after just a few sessions they are a bit sticky and I didn't enjoy them that much on even slightly rough surfaces
I tried stf 99a on a friends board and when being new they sucked a lot, too grippy, but when tried them a couple of months later they felt pretty good. I skate steet only and the terrain sometimes is rough, so i ride f4 99 and loophole but if had to choose between bones 103 and 99 i would go for the 103 with wider contact patch (v4, v5 or evetually v2).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on April 05, 2022, 04:46:15 AM
So I bit the bullet and got some STF 103s V5 shape ordered.....plus some Bones Reds, as your wheels and bearings have to match right? Can't be running orange Bronson's with a Bones wheel!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on April 05, 2022, 06:44:21 AM
So I bit the bullet and got some STF 103s V5 shape ordered.....plus some Bones Reds, as your wheels and bearings have to match right? Can't be running orange Bronson's with a Bones wheel!

I see Bones' marketing has succeeded.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JB on April 05, 2022, 07:59:41 AM
Any suggestions for a kind of hybrid cruiser, like in the middle of a standard hard wheel and something like a 78a? I've got some old spitfire 80hd, and I want something a bit more skateable as those are pretty bouncy. I want something soft enough I can use for transportation, but still hard enough to slide around bs 180s or do slappy nose slides. Thing something you'd cruise around the neighborhood on, but still be able to roll up to a spot and feel comfortable skating normally.

Right now I'm eyeing some OJ keyframes and slimeball snot rockets. I've had some cheep mini logos that were like 90a, and they worked decent for what I wanted, but they were really cheap and slow feeling.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on April 05, 2022, 08:24:42 AM
Any suggestions for a kind of hybrid cruiser, like in the middle of a standard hard wheel and something like a 78a? I've got some old spitfire 80hd, and I want something a bit more skateable as those are pretty bouncy. I want something soft enough I can use for transportation, but still hard enough to slide around bs 180s or do slappy nose slides. Thing something you'd cruise around the neighborhood on, but still be able to roll up to a spot and feel comfortable skating normally.

Right now I'm eyeing some OJ keyframes and slimeball snot rockets. I've had some cheep mini logos that were like 90a, and they worked decent for what I wanted, but they were really cheap and slow feeling.


The NFG 95a crust formula are a good option. I've got them set up right now and they roll smooth and faster than the key frame but somehow still slide like a harder wheel. The best "all terrain" wheel out imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on April 05, 2022, 08:28:32 AM
Any suggestions for a kind of hybrid cruiser, like in the middle of a standard hard wheel and something like a 78a? I've got some old spitfire 80hd, and I want something a bit more skateable as those are pretty bouncy. I want something soft enough I can use for transportation, but still hard enough to slide around bs 180s or do slappy nose slides. Thing something you'd cruise around the neighborhood on, but still be able to roll up to a spot and feel comfortable skating normally.

Right now I'm eyeing some OJ keyframes and slimeball snot rockets. I've had some cheep mini logos that were like 90a, and they worked decent for what I wanted, but they were really cheap and slow feeling.

i rolled around on the minilogo 95s and they were soft enough to roll smooth on not so smooth ground while still being hard enough to slide, although the slides took some work. they definitely feel much better than the 90s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 05, 2022, 08:44:58 AM
Yeah I retired my stf 99a after just a few sessions they are a bit sticky and I didn't enjoy them that much on even slightly rough surfaces

The second round of 99a STFs are too soft/grippy (especially compared to the first 99a EZ streets, those were perfect).

Smooth Plaza or park STF 103 (101 spit if that's your thing) or OJ Elites (Ricta 101a as well but I'd be more cautious about flatspots on smooth surfaces). SPF on moderate park tranny, OJ Elites on glassy tranny (as hard and fast as SPF but a bit grippier...SPF can get glassy at speed on shiny crete).

Everything else? 99a Spits or 101s if you can handle it. 103A STFs are most unforgiving on rough ass terrain.

I bounce back and forth as I like to bluntslide (curbs) and find I'm more consistent with 101/103.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on April 05, 2022, 08:47:58 AM
Any suggestions for a kind of hybrid cruiser, like in the middle of a standard hard wheel and something like a 78a? I've got some old spitfire 80hd, and I want something a bit more skateable as those are pretty bouncy. I want something soft enough I can use for transportation, but still hard enough to slide around bs 180s or do slappy nose slides. Thing something you'd cruise around the neighborhood on, but still be able to roll up to a spot and feel comfortable skating normally.

Right now I'm eyeing some OJ keyframes and slimeball snot rockets. I've had some cheep mini logos that were like 90a, and they worked decent for what I wanted, but they were really cheap and slow feeling.

95a or 97a ojs/slime balls- the classic formula. 97a F4. 92-97 Speed Lab. Rainskates, but their sizes & shapes are limited in softer duros. Size matters, too. Go as big as you can stand. 56-58 in a 95-97 is kinda Goldilocks for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on April 05, 2022, 08:51:58 AM
Any suggestions for a kind of hybrid cruiser, like in the middle of a standard hard wheel and something like a 78a? I've got some old spitfire 80hd, and I want something a bit more skateable as those are pretty bouncy. I want something soft enough I can use for transportation, but still hard enough to slide around bs 180s or do slappy nose slides. Thing something you'd cruise around the neighborhood on, but still be able to roll up to a spot and feel comfortable skating normally.

Right now I'm eyeing some OJ keyframes and slimeball snot rockets. I've had some cheep mini logos that were like 90a, and they worked decent for what I wanted, but they were really cheap and slow feeling.
G-Slides?
A few pages back I gave a quick review of them. I can skate them like a normal wheel. They kind of slide too. I didn’t have any issues with tailslides or noseslides with them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 05, 2022, 09:57:17 AM
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Any suggestions for a kind of hybrid cruiser, like in the middle of a standard hard wheel and something like a 78a? I've got some old spitfire 80hd, and I want something a bit more skateable as those are pretty bouncy. I want something soft enough I can use for transportation, but still hard enough to slide around bs 180s or do slappy nose slides. Thing something you'd cruise around the neighborhood on, but still be able to roll up to a spot and feel comfortable skating normally.

Right now I'm eyeing some OJ keyframes and slimeball snot rockets. I've had some cheep mini logos that were like 90a, and they worked decent for what I wanted, but they were really cheap and slow feeling.
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G-Slides?
A few pages back I gave a quick review of them. I can skate them like a normal wheel. They kind of slide too. I didn’t have any issues with tailslides or noseslides with them

Set G-slides up on a board for gf and our toddler. They feel really nice. He hates riding on my board because mine is louder and vibrates more, so much so that he constantly questions why I’m riding a board that isn’t as good as his.
I haven’t really skated them, but they still feel like wheels, where as many cruisers feel too different. The key will be the longevity.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 05, 2022, 02:10:26 PM
Anyone know what's up with NFG MFG and why their website and Insta are gone?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 05, 2022, 03:22:30 PM
Anyone know what's up with NFG MFG and why their website and Insta are gone?

Hmmm weird... Think they got bought out or are rebranding? No idea.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on April 05, 2022, 10:46:36 PM
had my third short session on the loophole 54 v shapes today. still not really into em, I find them super grippy, especially considering how they are still relatively unforgiving on rough pave.

will give em another shot or two because i really want to like them. getting bored of only looking at f4 when i wheel shop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on April 06, 2022, 07:25:23 AM
Anyone know what's up with NFG MFG and why their website and Insta are gone?
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Hmmm weird... Think they got bought out or are rebranding? No idea.

hoping it's a rebrand or something similar, but ehh idk. i actually called and left a message yesterday lol, would be super bummed if they up and disappeared like that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on April 06, 2022, 10:38:57 AM
How are the OJ elite hardlines (I believe that that's their conical shape) compared F4 conical shaped wheels? Are they worth trying out? I've been mostly riding F4s since they came out but I would like hear your experiences with OJs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on April 06, 2022, 10:40:59 AM
NFG got bought out by a big corporate conglomerate. The Wizard pulled up to Newark last night in an Aston Martin and a Gucci suit lighting a Cuban cigar with a stack of hundred dollar bills before sharing the news to everyone at the park. The wheels will soon be sold at Target and Walmart with some of the profits going to funding the military industrial complex.
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Post by: tuesday on April 06, 2022, 11:03:29 AM
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Can anyone recommend a wheel make/model that really unlocked powerslides for them. My slides are unconfident, inconsistent and lackluster. I am generally skating plaza paving rather than smooth park crete. Running some wide loopholes atm.
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Wheels aren't going to teach you technique, but if you just want the maximum of slipperiness get stf 103a/83b wheels.
And if that's not enough, try them out on wet ground. Stay safe
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Definitely a technique issue, not equipment. Maybe check out some longboarder stuff on YouTube- those fools slide shit most skaters would consider impossible.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CaE5X4xlUNh/?utm_medium=copy_link
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What a great vid. Thanks man.

yeah, that was pretty cool
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on April 06, 2022, 12:37:13 PM
NFG got bought out by a big corporate conglomerate. The Wizard pulled up to Newark last night in an Aston Martin and a Gucci suit lighting a Cuban cigar with a stack of hundred dollar bills before sharing the news to everyone at the park. The wheels will soon be sold at Target and Walmart with some of the profits going to funding the military industrial complex.

had me sweatin’! site is back online, insta not so much
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 06, 2022, 03:22:33 PM
They're back with pivot cups and BUSHINGS??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcBkK2-PiPM/?utm_medium=copy_link
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on April 06, 2022, 04:08:24 PM
They're back with pivot cups and BUSHINGS??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcBkK2-PiPM/?utm_medium=copy_link

The people I know who skate their wheels are also the people I know who change their bushings and buy Riptides, so honestly this is probably a killer idea.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on April 06, 2022, 04:57:50 PM
They're back with pivot cups and BUSHINGS??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcBkK2-PiPM/?utm_medium=copy_link

I got a test set earlier this week which I set up and rode for the first time yesterday. So far they turn well, much better than the stock venture bushings I previously had in these 5.2 His I'm riding. I'll keep y'all posted on how I feel as they break in
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Post by: iw0 on April 06, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
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They're back with pivot cups and BUSHINGS??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcBkK2-PiPM/?utm_medium=copy_link
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The people I know who skate their wheels are also the people I know who change their bushings and buy Riptides, so honestly this is probably a killer idea.

accurate.
i love a happy ending, can't wait to try them bushings
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 07, 2022, 11:15:43 AM
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They're back with pivot cups and BUSHINGS??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcBkK2-PiPM/?utm_medium=copy_link
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The people I know who skate their wheels are also the people I know who change their bushings and buy Riptides, so honestly this is probably a killer idea.
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accurate.
i love a happy ending, can't wait to try them bushings

This is cool news.

Anyone who has skated both the 52D and 95A, how insanely different are they? I've had the 52D, loved how durable they were and how well they handled crust/stop rocks (especially for how hard they are). With the 95s, are they much stickier or slower? Keen to try them but if I can't slide I feel like I may as well stick with keyframes for super crusty spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on April 07, 2022, 01:42:42 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/r3c8Bj1/E3-F4-A240-0602-436-F-AB17-BF3860-BAE91-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r3c8Bj1)(https://i.ibb.co/cC5GLGT/489-D6-C55-EB8-B-4-BBC-B68-A-A11-C470374-D6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cC5GLGT)
Before/after hitting NFG Vee 56mm with an angle grinder down to a 21mm contact patch. Not exactly even so they’re sorta like lock-ins…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 07, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/r3c8Bj1/E3-F4-A240-0602-436-F-AB17-BF3860-BAE91-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r3c8Bj1)(https://i.ibb.co/cC5GLGT/489-D6-C55-EB8-B-4-BBC-B68-A-A11-C470374-D6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cC5GLGT)
Before/after hitting NFG Vee 56mm with an angle grinder down to a 21mm contact patch. Not exactly even so they’re sorta like lock-ins…

Gnarred! They look rad. What was your process like with the angle grinder? I'm thinking about trying that for some old wheels. You might have any advice, where I can put my wheels on, so that they can spin and I try to get them even?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on April 07, 2022, 02:02:00 PM
I just did them on the board. Take the extra 5 seconds each to tighten the lock nut down like normal and not just finger tight or the whole wheel will move side to side, wear a mask to protect your money maker and your lungs, tighten the kingpin nut, push down more on the contact surface than the sides so that the wheels aren't freespinning at 11000rpm and not shaving material. I did none of the above  8)
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Post by: iw0 on April 07, 2022, 04:03:06 PM
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They're back with pivot cups and BUSHINGS??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcBkK2-PiPM/?utm_medium=copy_link
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The people I know who skate their wheels are also the people I know who change their bushings and buy Riptides, so honestly this is probably a killer idea.
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accurate.
i love a happy ending, can't wait to try them bushings
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This is cool news.

Anyone who has skated both the 52D and 95A, how insanely different are they? I've had the 52D, loved how durable they were and how well they handled crust/stop rocks (especially for how hard they are). With the 95s, are they much stickier or slower? Keen to try them but if I can't slide I feel like I may as well stick with keyframes for super crusty spots.

the 95a are definitely bit slower than the 52D (require a harder/another push), and they do grip a bit more depending on the situation but i'm still able to slide with them. it's not as easy obviously and technique might have to change, but you can do it with less effort than keyframes would require imo. also depends on whatever shape you're riding, but i found the square and vee to perform just fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 07, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
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They're back with pivot cups and BUSHINGS??

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcBkK2-PiPM/?utm_medium=copy_link
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The people I know who skate their wheels are also the people I know who change their bushings and buy Riptides, so honestly this is probably a killer idea.
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accurate.
i love a happy ending, can't wait to try them bushings
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This is cool news.

Anyone who has skated both the 52D and 95A, how insanely different are they? I've had the 52D, loved how durable they were and how well they handled crust/stop rocks (especially for how hard they are). With the 95s, are they much stickier or slower? Keen to try them but if I can't slide I feel like I may as well stick with keyframes for super crusty spots.
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the 95a are definitely bit slower than the 52D (require a harder/another push), and they do grip a bit more depending on the situation but i'm still able to slide with them. it's not as easy obviously and technique might have to change, but you can do it with less effort than keyframes would require imo. also depends on whatever shape you're riding, but i found the square and vee to perform just fine

Thanks. Thinking I may stick to the 52D, tried and true.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Prostate Exam on April 07, 2022, 11:48:49 PM
I just ordered some OJ SlimeBalls 97a.
Is there a huge difference between 99a and 97a? I do lots of tail / crail slides on transition and I am afraid that they won't slide as well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 08, 2022, 01:18:55 AM
I just ordered some OJ SlimeBalls 97a.
Is there a huge difference between 99a and 97a? I do lots of tail / crail slides on transition and I am afraid that they won't slide as well

I'm sure it depends on the company and their formula.

I can say for Spitfire F4, the 97a feels pretty different to me from 99a. They roll significantly better on crusty streets than 99a and have a different bounce to them. If you're looking to ride shitty terrain, its a must, but there is definitely going to be that trade off when park skating and skating smooth surfaces. But I definitely have issues power sliding with 97a, and they are noticeably slower on clean streets/parks.

If I were to guess, there will probably be a bit of a struggle on that type of slidey stuff. But it will also depend on shape and size/width of wheel too. As I understand it, a round wheel is going to tail slide more easily than a sharper wheel.

If you do a lot of skating at a clean park, you should probably stay at 99a+, but 97a shouldn't be bad. It will probably definitely take a bit more speed and concerted effort to slide them though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2022, 10:37:03 AM
Here’s a dumb question: what size wheels, beginner on transition?
I skate 52s on most setups, but I mainly skate ‘street’ (‘skating street’ sounds a lot fucking cooler than ‘I drive to a secluded parking lot with several boards and whimper while I try to land slow moving flip tricks from 25 years ago).
Jumping hurts the old body, even tiny jumps. I know ramps and bowls are not pain free by any means, but I’m trying to ride as long as possible, and I see old people doing it, I’m old, why not.
Blah blah blah: any wheel recommendations for scary concrete bowls? The local park is gnarly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on April 11, 2022, 10:50:40 AM
Here’s a dumb question: what size wheels, beginner on transition?
I skate 52s on most setups, but I mainly skate ‘street’ (‘skating street’ sounds a lot fucking cooler than ‘I drive to a secluded parking lot with several boards and whimper while I try to land slow moving flip tricks from 25 years ago).
Jumping hurts the old body, even tiny jumps. I know ramps and bowls are not pain free by any means, but I’m trying to ride as long as possible, and I see old people doing it, I’m old, why not.
Blah blah blah: any wheel recommendations for scary concrete bowls? The local park is gnarly.

I'd say get some Bones SPF in a 56mm+ size. Larger wheels keep their speed better, and the SPF formula really is the best I've ridden when it comes to skatepark concrete. I don't even use them much, but if I were one of those guys who lived in SoCal and had glass-smooth parks everywhere, they'd be my only wheel choice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 11, 2022, 10:52:34 AM
I been riding my 54mm bones v2? (Mullen sig) wheels again lately.

The sound on bricks is second to none and I’m surrounded by bricks.

Sometimes the sound my boards make is the most important thing to me. It takes me away from my pain and sorrow.

I’m having a tough time rn.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2022, 10:52:40 AM
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Here’s a dumb question: what size wheels, beginner on transition?
I skate 52s on most setups, but I mainly skate ‘street’ (‘skating street’ sounds a lot fucking cooler than ‘I drive to a secluded parking lot with several boards and whimper while I try to land slow moving flip tricks from 25 years ago).
Jumping hurts the old body, even tiny jumps. I know ramps and bowls are not pain free by any means, but I’m trying to ride as long as possible, and I see old people doing it, I’m old, why not.
Blah blah blah: any wheel recommendations for scary concrete bowls? The local park is gnarly.
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I'd say get some Bones SPF in a 56mm+ size. Larger wheels keep their speed better, and the SPF formula really is the best I've ridden when it comes to skatepark concrete. I don't even use them much, but if I were one of those guys who lived in SoCal and had glass-smooth parks everywhere, they'd be my only wheel choice.

Thanks! Kinda worried about going fast tbh, but those seem to be the recommended wheel for parks for sure.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2022, 11:00:12 AM
I been riding my 54mm bones v2? (Mullen sig) wheels again lately.

The sound on bricks is second to none and I’m surrounded by bricks.

Sometimes the sound my boards make is the most important thing to me. It takes me away from my pain and sorrow.

I’m having a tough time rn.

I totally agree about the sounds and vibrations. Brick is perfect. Takes me back to better times. To take this further, I think it’s why I often don’t like forged/hollow trucks, despite being a weenie, and maybe why I didn’t give my af-1s a long enough pull: the sound/feel felt wrong.

Thanks for sharing that you have having a tough go. I hope, and trust, that it will pass.
Peace and love
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lazyskater on April 11, 2022, 11:35:03 AM
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Here’s a dumb question: what size wheels, beginner on transition?
I skate 52s on most setups, but I mainly skate ‘street’ (‘skating street’ sounds a lot fucking cooler than ‘I drive to a secluded parking lot with several boards and whimper while I try to land slow moving flip tricks from 25 years ago).
Jumping hurts the old body, even tiny jumps. I know ramps and bowls are not pain free by any means, but I’m trying to ride as long as possible, and I see old people doing it, I’m old, why not.
Blah blah blah: any wheel recommendations for scary concrete bowls? The local park is gnarly.
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I'd say get some Bones SPF in a 56mm+ size. Larger wheels keep their speed better, and the SPF formula really is the best I've ridden when it comes to skatepark concrete. I don't even use them much, but if I were one of those guys who lived in SoCal and had glass-smooth parks everywhere, they'd be my only wheel choice.
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Thanks! Kinda worried about going fast tbh, but those seem to be the recommended wheel for parks for sure.

you could get the 81b instead of the 84b
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on April 11, 2022, 12:27:13 PM
Here’s a dumb question: what size wheels, beginner on transition?
I skate 52s on most setups, but I mainly skate ‘street’ (‘skating street’ sounds a lot fucking cooler than ‘I drive to a secluded parking lot with several boards and whimper while I try to land slow moving flip tricks from 25 years ago).
Jumping hurts the old body, even tiny jumps. I know ramps and bowls are not pain free by any means, but I’m trying to ride as long as possible, and I see old people doing it, I’m old, why not.
Blah blah blah: any wheel recommendations for scary concrete bowls? The local park is gnarly.

If you’re just learning transition, stay away from Bones SPF. They’re dangerously fast and not that grippy, so you will definitely eat shit more than necessary.

If you’re ok with green wheels, Speedlab Bombshells would be my recommendation. They’re 57mm and 99a, and a really nice balance between speed and grip. I rode them when I was learning to ride really big transition.

If green wheels are a no go, maybe go for some 99a OJ elites. They make a 58mm 99a in the hardline shape.

I ride Spitfire 58mm 99a OG Classics right now. They’re grippier than SPF, but I wouldn’t recommend them until you’re more comfortable skating transition.

Bottom line if you’re just learning, go with a 99a in the 56-58mm range from a respectable wheel brand. Also make sure you have some good bearings, a new set of reds at the very least. Get some Swiss 6 if you can afford them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 11, 2022, 12:38:37 PM
Thanks!! That’s great info.
Swiss 6 are easily the best bearings I’ve had. I find them less frequently at the shops I go to. Regular Swiss have been less good for me, last two sets of the regular Swiss aren’t bad, but not really all that exciting.

I’m definitely shook about the transition stuff, the park also doesn’t really have a…it just goes straight to fucked. So I’m
Basically gonna be creeping around the bottom for awhile. Gear definitely doesn’t matter all of the much, in my case, being so shit. For sure rather go slower and not slip out tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on April 11, 2022, 12:55:39 PM
Few ATV/transition pro's go bigger than 55-56mm. Keeping it less clunky and low to the ground and with minimal risers is nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on April 11, 2022, 12:58:58 PM
I have some Spitfire Lil' Smokies waiting to be skated but as long as I am skating this curb I just can't bring myself to get rid of the green Bones 100s.  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/SCvg1nR.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 11, 2022, 01:59:59 PM
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I been riding my 54mm bones v2? (Mullen sig) wheels again lately.

The sound on bricks is second to none and I’m surrounded by bricks.

Sometimes the sound my boards make is the most important thing to me. It takes me away from my pain and sorrow.

I’m having a tough time rn.
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I totally agree about the sounds and vibrations. Brick is perfect. Takes me back to better times. To take this further, I think it’s why I often don’t like forged/hollow trucks, despite being a weenie, and maybe why I didn’t give my af-1s a long enough pull: the sound/feel felt wrong.

Thanks for sharing that you have having a tough go. I hope, and trust, that it will pass.
Peace and love
Peace love too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 11, 2022, 02:07:01 PM
I been riding my 54mm bones v2? (Mullen sig) wheels again lately.

The sound on bricks is second to none and I’m surrounded by bricks.

Sometimes the sound my boards make is the most important thing to me. It takes me away from my pain and sorrow.

I’m having a tough time rn.

You nailed it with that sentence, I can relate.

Keep your head up mate. We all love you. PMA
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 02:14:02 PM
Hollow axles and forged plates sound the worst
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Firebert on April 11, 2022, 02:19:04 PM
Hollow axles and forged plates sound the worst
Ti Axles, forged plates with grip tape riser pads and freshly lubed ceramic bearings - it goes thud
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 05:15:45 PM
I've got ti axles now and they sound pretty normal to me actually. Loopholes also sound dead.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on April 11, 2022, 05:35:03 PM
Loopholes also sound dead.

with the knowledge that loophole/nfg are the epitome of 'ymmv', i still respectfully disagree lol
to add - they are actually one of my fav sounding wheels, just the right pitched clack for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on April 11, 2022, 07:11:17 PM
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Loopholes also sound dead.
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with the knowledge that loophole/nfg are the epitome of 'ymmv', i still respectfully disagree lol
to add - they are actually one of my fav sounding wheels, just the right pitched clack for me

Yeah, I don't get this at all. My Loopholes have a great sound, and a solid, loud bark when sliding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 11, 2022, 09:11:59 PM
maybe i gotta be more patient with the break in. My patience is dogshit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SchizophrenicFatBoy on April 12, 2022, 08:12:11 AM
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Loopholes also sound dead.
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with the knowledge that loophole/nfg are the epitome of 'ymmv', i still respectfully disagree lol
to add - they are actually one of my fav sounding wheels, just the right pitched clack for me
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Yeah, I don't get this at all. My Loopholes have a great sound, and a solid, loud bark when sliding.
What Spitfire wheels do the V Shape and Teardrop most closely resemble? I saw that discount you posted in the sale thread, and I'm leaning towards the Chris Athens V Shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 12, 2022, 08:24:32 AM
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Loopholes also sound dead.
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with the knowledge that loophole/nfg are the epitome of 'ymmv', i still respectfully disagree lol
to add - they are actually one of my fav sounding wheels, just the right pitched clack for me
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Yeah, I don't get this at all. My Loopholes have a great sound, and a solid, loud bark when sliding.
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What Spitfire wheels do the V Shape and Teardrop most closely resemble? I saw that discount you posted in the sale thread, and I'm leaning towards the Chris Athens V Shape.

The V has a pretty sharp edge, probably closest to the OG Classic or Tablet, but quite a bit wider (and with a conical cutout, obviously). The Teardrop is almost identical to a regular Classic, maybe Classic full?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 12, 2022, 08:25:02 AM
maybe i gotta be more patient with the break in. My patience is dogshit.


I’ve been all about being a shit to people that refuse to break in their trucks/bushings, and then complain: ‘I setup a new complete and instantly cranked my trucks down 9 turns and the bushings split these trucks don’t turn good!’ …that kind of thing grinds my gears. And yet, I’m showing up with multiple boards, widely varying parts, and just firing off opinions…I could be more patient as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 12, 2022, 08:30:51 AM
Here’s a dumb question: what size wheels, beginner on transition?
I skate 52s on most setups, but I mainly skate ‘street’ (‘skating street’ sounds a lot fucking cooler than ‘I drive to a secluded parking lot with several boards and whimper while I try to land slow moving flip tricks from 25 years ago).
Jumping hurts the old body, even tiny jumps. I know ramps and bowls are not pain free by any means, but I’m trying to ride as long as possible, and I see old people doing it, I’m old, why not.
Blah blah blah: any wheel recommendations for scary concrete bowls? The local park is gnarly.

I’ve got to think these new 56mm Radial Fulls would be great for beginner transition. 99A, massive width, very solid.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on April 12, 2022, 08:56:09 AM
Few ATV/transition pro's go bigger than 55-56mm. Keeping it less clunky and low to the ground and with minimal risers is nice.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.  56ish gets you some of that big wheels speed and roll-over-shit-ness without excessive weight, height or wheelbite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 12, 2022, 11:16:24 PM
Can anyone tell me what wheels this guy is rocking at this timestamp onward?

https://youtu.be/UQnb_pR8hK0?t=237

Please ignore the video, its awful. I just wanna know what wheels those are.

Here, I took a screen of it: https://imgur.com/a/h5ju6cI

And another one here: https://imgur.com/a/eR3KNcs

Its a fairly wide wheel, with seemingly a pretty straight edge, and a deep cut? I don't think its a Spitfire, Bones, or OJ wheel? Unless its Spitfire OG Classics, but I'm not sure? I haven't seen one of those in person to be able to say.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on April 12, 2022, 11:56:10 PM
Can anyone tell me what wheels this guy is rocking at this timestamp onward?

https://youtu.be/UQnb_pR8hK0?t=237

Please ignore the video, its awful. I just wanna know what wheels those are.

Here, I took a screen of it: https://imgur.com/a/h5ju6cI

And another one here: https://imgur.com/a/eR3KNcs

Its a fairly wide wheel, with seemingly a pretty straight edge, and a deep cut? I don't think its a Spitfire, Bones, or OJ wheel? Unless its Spitfire OG Classics, but I'm not sure? I haven't seen one of those in person to be able to say.
quite sure its 58 f4 og classics
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on April 13, 2022, 02:32:09 PM
Are dialtones threaded? Anyone who has ridden them, how do they feel like compared to something like spitfire classics (non f4), and are the ones called ”round cut” something like spitfire radial shape?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on April 13, 2022, 05:26:04 PM
Are dialtones threaded? Anyone who has ridden them, how do they feel like compared to something like spitfire classics (non f4), and are the ones called ”round cut” something like spitfire radial shape?
They are treaded. can’t really give an opinion in regards to non f4 spits as I haven’t ridden those in a long time.  Between the 3 cuts of dial tone, round, standard, and conical, the round does seem to have more of an edge than the standard which is closer the spit classic shape (for whatever reason), but still more round than the radial shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 13, 2022, 06:54:22 PM
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Can anyone tell me what wheels this guy is rocking at this timestamp onward?

https://youtu.be/UQnb_pR8hK0?t=237

Please ignore the video, its awful. I just wanna know what wheels those are.

Here, I took a screen of it: https://imgur.com/a/h5ju6cI

And another one here: https://imgur.com/a/eR3KNcs

Its a fairly wide wheel, with seemingly a pretty straight edge, and a deep cut? I don't think its a Spitfire, Bones, or OJ wheel? Unless its Spitfire OG Classics, but I'm not sure? I haven't seen one of those in person to be able to say.
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quite sure its 58 f4 og classics

Yes I would agree with the Spitfire Formula Four OG Classics, most likely turned in with the black inside print showing, but I could still be wrong.

Here is a good pic, not so much for size, but just for shape of the OG Classics:


(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/spitfire-f4-og-classic-52mm-99a-skateboard-wheels.png)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 14, 2022, 01:58:03 AM
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Can anyone tell me what wheels this guy is rocking at this timestamp onward?

https://youtu.be/UQnb_pR8hK0?t=237

Please ignore the video, its awful. I just wanna know what wheels those are.

Here, I took a screen of it: https://imgur.com/a/h5ju6cI

And another one here: https://imgur.com/a/eR3KNcs

Its a fairly wide wheel, with seemingly a pretty straight edge, and a deep cut? I don't think its a Spitfire, Bones, or OJ wheel? Unless its Spitfire OG Classics, but I'm not sure? I haven't seen one of those in person to be able to say.
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quite sure its 58 f4 og classics
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Yes I would agree with the Spitfire Formula Four OG Classics, most likely turned in with the black inside print showing, but I could still be wrong.

Here is a good pic, not so much for size, but just for shape of the OG Classics:


(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/spitfire-f4-og-classic-52mm-99a-skateboard-wheels.png)

OG Classics just look very massive in general. Had some 53 mm ones and my homie thought those were 58mm OGs ^^ They handle crust very well but the weight made them a bit harder to flip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on April 14, 2022, 06:31:29 AM
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Are dialtones threaded? Anyone who has ridden them, how do they feel like compared to something like spitfire classics (non f4), and are the ones called ”round cut” something like spitfire radial shape?
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They are treaded. can’t really give an opinion in regards to non f4 spits as I haven’t ridden those in a long time.  Between the 3 cuts of dial tone, round, standard, and conical, the round does seem to have more of an edge than the standard which is closer the spit classic shape (for whatever reason), but still more round than the radial shape.

Dialtones are poured at Creative so they are the same as Satori, Speedlab, Sml (99a only), and a bunch of other brands. The good news is that the 99a formula that creative does feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula, probably as close as anything else is going to get. So if that is your thing you should be good to go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on April 14, 2022, 06:34:40 AM
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Are dialtones threaded? Anyone who has ridden them, how do they feel like compared to something like spitfire classics (non f4), and are the ones called ”round cut” something like spitfire radial shape?
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They are treaded. can’t really give an opinion in regards to non f4 spits as I haven’t ridden those in a long time.  Between the 3 cuts of dial tone, round, standard, and conical, the round does seem to have more of an edge than the standard which is closer the spit classic shape (for whatever reason), but still more round than the radial shape.
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Dialtones are poured at Creative so they are the same as Satori, Speedlab, Sml (99a only), and a bunch of other brands. The good news is that the 99a formula that creative does feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula, probably as close as anything else is going to get. So if that is your thing you should be good to go.
Thanks for the info you all :-)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 15, 2022, 06:11:14 PM
Finally got to try out Bones STF 99a V5 55mm. Got them on clearance for like $23 which is pretty nutty. It was on my rain deck, so I didn't really get to try to do much on it, so take this all with a grain of salt. The other wheels I will be referencing are Spitfire F4 99a Radial Full 56mm and F4 97a Conical Full 54mm.

+ Rides shitty streets noticeably better than my Spitfire F4 99a, despite being much thinner.
+ In general feels faster than my F4 99a (but might be due to being thinner)
+ Doesn't feel bouncy or muted like F4 97a feels. It still feels hard.
+/- Looks plasticky, I know some people care about how the wheel looks.
- Definitely slides worse than F4 99a, and maybe even worse than F4 97a as well?

I will have to give them another session to figure out how to make them work with slides, because aside from that I'm really liking the wheel. I was expecting them to struggle with crusty streets just as much as F4 99a did, but honestly it handled them more in line with F4 97a. I was really impressed by that.

If you don't give a shit about powerslides, and want a hard feeling wheel that can handle crust better than F4 99a, maybe look into Bones STF 99a. I think I might pop these on my main setup next time I skate, because they are reminding me why I love Bones wheels with the speed they bring to the table. Its nice that they have a street wheel that isn't foot-numbingly hard like their STF 103a.

If they could somehow retool these STF 99a to slide better, they would be the perfect wheel. Until then though, the lack of slide is a pretty massive issue for me.

Side note: Modus Blue bearings felt great straight out of the package first ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on April 16, 2022, 12:22:31 AM
Finally got to try out Bones STF 99a V5 55mm. Got them on clearance for like $23 which is pretty nutty. It was on my rain deck, so I didn't really get to try to do much on it, so take this all with a grain of salt. The other wheels I will be referencing are Spitfire F4 99a Radial Full 56mm and F4 97a Conical Full 54mm.

+ Rides shitty streets noticeably better than my Spitfire F4 99a, despite being much thinner.
+ In general feels faster than my F4 99a (but might be due to being thinner)
+ Doesn't feel bouncy or muted like F4 97a feels. It still feels hard.
+/- Looks plasticky, I know some people care about how the wheel looks.
- Definitely slides worse than F4 99a, and maybe even worse than F4 97a as well?

I will have to give them another session to figure out how to make them work with slides, because aside from that I'm really liking the wheel. I was expecting them to struggle with crusty streets just as much as F4 99a did, but honestly it handled them more in line with F4 97a. I was really impressed by that.

If you don't give a shit about powerslides, and want a hard feeling wheel that can handle crust better than F4 99a, maybe look into Bones STF 99a. I think I might pop these on my main setup next time I skate, because they are reminding me why I love Bones wheels with the speed they bring to the table. Its nice that they have a street wheel that isn't foot-numbingly hard like their STF 103a.

If they could somehow retool these STF 99a to slide better, they would be the perfect wheel. Until then though, the lack of slide is a pretty massive issue for me.

Side note: Modus Blue bearings felt great straight out of the package first ride.

Did you buy the bright white version or the natural version?
I've tried the white ones(2019) and they are way more slippery than my f4 99a.(on asphalt) Kind of scary once you reach a little bit more speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 16, 2022, 04:43:53 AM
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Finally got to try out Bones STF 99a V5 55mm. Got them on clearance for like $23 which is pretty nutty. It was on my rain deck, so I didn't really get to try to do much on it, so take this all with a grain of salt. The other wheels I will be referencing are Spitfire F4 99a Radial Full 56mm and F4 97a Conical Full 54mm.

+ Rides shitty streets noticeably better than my Spitfire F4 99a, despite being much thinner.
+ In general feels faster than my F4 99a (but might be due to being thinner)
+ Doesn't feel bouncy or muted like F4 97a feels. It still feels hard.
+/- Looks plasticky, I know some people care about how the wheel looks.
- Definitely slides worse than F4 99a, and maybe even worse than F4 97a as well?

I will have to give them another session to figure out how to make them work with slides, because aside from that I'm really liking the wheel. I was expecting them to struggle with crusty streets just as much as F4 99a did, but honestly it handled them more in line with F4 97a. I was really impressed by that.

If you don't give a shit about powerslides, and want a hard feeling wheel that can handle crust better than F4 99a, maybe look into Bones STF 99a. I think I might pop these on my main setup next time I skate, because they are reminding me why I love Bones wheels with the speed they bring to the table. Its nice that they have a street wheel that isn't foot-numbingly hard like their STF 103a.

If they could somehow retool these STF 99a to slide better, they would be the perfect wheel. Until then though, the lack of slide is a pretty massive issue for me.

Side note: Modus Blue bearings felt great straight out of the package first ride.
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Did you buy the bright white version or the natural version?
I've tried the white ones(2019) and they are way more slippery than my f4 99a.(on asphalt) Kind of scary once you reach a little bit more speed.

I believe these are natural: https://bones.com/bones-wheels-pro-stf-skateboard-wheels-mcclain-apocalypse-55mm-v5-sidecut-99a-4pk

Which I've heard are even stickier than the bright white ones for better or for worse.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on April 16, 2022, 10:41:04 AM
Weird, I had great slide performance on my 99 STF V5 naturals  ^ but it did take a little bit to find the sweet spot. I was on the bright white V5 103A or whatever the harder, common STF wheel consistently before that. Then I tried Spit 99 F4 conical full and it was identical to the Bones 99 STF V5 naturals BUT they initiated powerslides better than the Bones. The actual slide quality was comparable for me between Bones and Spit for the two models.

I'm going back to some Bones STFs later this year after riding two F4 sets in a row ([99]Oct 2020-Sept 2021 & [101]Oct 2021-present).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 16, 2022, 11:53:37 AM

If they could somehow retool these STF 99a to slide better, they would be the perfect wheel. Until then though, the lack of slide is a pretty massive issue for me.


Zero proof, but when bones changed the 99a EZ Streets to off-white to compete with potato colored spits, it had an effect on, or they changed the formula; the first bright white 99a EZ streets were sooooo much better, felt 'normal' and slid great, on par or better than 99a spits and not as jarring as 103stfs or 101 spits.

V5s are my favorite shape bones, they work so well for everything.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NORTHBYMIDWEST on April 20, 2022, 08:39:09 AM
Anybody ride Satori wheels recently? They’ve got a 20% off sale going right (420 BROZ!) now and I’m thinking about grabbing a couple sets but I’ve never rode them before. I’ve always wanted a set with the dude riding the elephant and those Philly Santosuosso wheels look dope too haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on April 20, 2022, 11:10:21 AM
Anybody ride Satori wheels recently? They’ve got a 20% off sale going right (420 BROZ!) now and I’m thinking about grabbing a couple sets but I’ve never rode them before. I’ve always wanted a set with the dude riding the elephant and those Philly Santosuosso wheels look dope too haha
The dude on elephant are their higher grade urethane, don't know anything about them, but should be good.
I sold a set of vinyl cuts 101 52 to a friend because I had them in my skatebag and he had flatspots, and he's happy with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: NORTHBYMIDWEST on April 20, 2022, 11:16:38 AM
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Anybody ride Satori wheels recently? They’ve got a 20% off sale going right (420 BROZ!) now and I’m thinking about grabbing a couple sets but I’ve never rode them before. I’ve always wanted a set with the dude riding the elephant and those Philly Santosuosso wheels look dope too haha
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The dude on elephant are their higher grade urethane, don't know anything about them, but should be good.
I sold a set of vinyl cuts 101 52 to a friend because I had them in my skatebag and he had flatspots, and he's happy with them.
Dope, I’m gonna cop a couple sets. It’s like $8 off per set of wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on April 22, 2022, 09:21:09 AM
New Powell / Bones softer formula coming out. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcqMUbso5eW/

On the SkateOne forum about 2 years ago they sent out a couple demo sets of wheels that were to replace the DTF (Ditch Tech Formula) and these may be those.  The people that reviewed them raved. 

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

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I got to test ride the prototype DTF's. Here's the write-up I did for Rob after a few weeks. Warning - LONG read.

Hey Rob,

I never got to skate the actual gnarly concrete drainage ditch, but I don't know when I will because it needs to be cleaned up badly. I only skated it once, with spitfire f4 99's, and in the confined space it was really hard to get speed. I only mention it because after skating these wheels in some other places, I bet they'd have performed beautifully. I'll tell you where I did skate and the SPEED, GRIP, SLIDE, FEEL and WEAR.

1. The street (the real street)

SPEED: I cannot commute around my town with regular street wheels (99a and harder) because I will rattle to a stop. I actually lose speed going downhill half the time. Getting from one place to another means constantly working against this, so there's way more pushing than gliding. New asphalt is the exception and all the spots are rough asphalt or pavement. Skating the harder wheels is just too unpleasant and difficult for me to want to do it much, and the ML 90a's were much faster but would deform a bit when sticking something hard. I thought that with craggy streets there was no good compromise, but these wheels are. They were faster everywhere on the street than any of hard wheels AND the 90a Mini Logos of about the same size. I measured this using an inertia test. I would start at the top of a stretch and just roll, and then see how far I went up the opposite uphill side. The DTF's definitely felt faster, took me way further up the other side than the Bones STFs I have on another board, and also further than the 90a ML's (though not as far). They are fast and I would pick these over any other wheel for "real" street skating because nothing is faster. The only thing that would probably beat them downhill are my large 85a Bombers on my big cruiser board, and I don't have the guts to go that fast these days anyway.

GRIP: Grip is awesome. I have slid out hanging hard turns on harder wheels before, and these stuck. I could feel that they were sticking (more on that below) and so I was able to lean into turns harder while going faster with much greater confidence. I never lost it and they never squirreled out from under me. I have a small quarter pipe surfaced with masonite and these definitely gripped better than my hard wheels.

SLIDE: I'm not a slidey skater. For power slides could make my back wheels break loose on asphalt but not on smooth concrete. To me this is good, because I've slid out and eaten shit on hard turns before. I'm sure others could get real slides out of them. They still slid well enough for me to scoot into the direction I wanted to be going when I landed 180's and I could still do 180 slides.

FEEL: This is where I feel like I sound like I'm overselling these. These wheels feel great. They stick and stay smooth like a softer wheel on rougher terrain, but they don't deform when landing tricks (or maybe I just don't land that hard...I weigh 150 lbs and am not that aggressive). I've had 97a wheels that felt A LOT harder than these and rode like rocks, but big cruiser 85a Bombers and the 90a Mini Logos sacrifice some trick performance for their ride. This is the most ideal "real street" wheel I've ever encountered. These are staying on my street board and I'll never put hard wheels back on it except for the park.

WEAR: Honestly, no wear to speak of. I could see a little streaking in them when I did slides, but these were never flat spots. I expect this from Bones wheels, though.

2. The park (a pretty smooth park)

SPEED: This is where this wheel surprised me the most. They were REALLY NOT SLOW AT ALL. Was it slower than my 84b SPF's? Yeah, but the difference was not enough to put me off. I pretty much only skate 84b SPF's at the park, especially in the bowls, but...

GRIP: ...the trade-off in grip in the bowl was WAY positive. I could tell pumping down transitions that I was on a slower wheel, but after a little initial adjustment I skated them without issue. They didn't feel "sticky" like 90a or 85a wheels do. In a big smooth bowl those things can feel like rolling on glue traps. These were still fast and I didn't spend any time at all at the park wishing I had my harder wheels. The funny part is that I actually WENT HIGHER with more confidence in the bowl because of the additional grip. I slashed the highest parts of the bowls in these that I've yet to even touch with my SPF's despite feeling like I wasn't going quite as fast. I'm still kind of coming to terms with this and comparing; would I rather have a pair of these in the bowl than my SPF's?

SLIDE: Never really got these to break into a powerslide at the park, but that's really not my bag. They slid just fine on the coping. Feebles and little "scoots" in the concrete mini ramp were just as easy as with hard wheels.

FEEL: They are not quite as fast, but they don't feel like a squishy or sticky wheel at the park. If I were one who skates to the park to skate the park, it'd be these wheels all the way.

WEAR: Again, nothing noticeable. I only skated maybe four sessions with them, but I would expect these to last as long as other Bones wheels.

Overall...I'd say 9.5 out of 10. it's hard not to give these a 10 because they're not optimal for everything, but they are the most optimal across all categories. Before these wheels there was really no street wheel that I'd take to most of the spots in my town, or that I would commute with. These wheels are IT for that. For parks I'll still use my SPF's, but since I was climbing higher on these I'm gonna continue to skate these there too.

I never skated the old Ditchtech Formula wheels, but given how versatile these wheels are I'd say that's a bit of a misnomer. This is really a great general street wheel that can still be used at the park. But again, I'm a little guy. A bigger person and/or someone doing big stuff and sticking it hard might not be as enamored as I am with them for street use.

I am gonna clean out the growth and trash and try to skate that ditch eventually.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2022, 09:29:49 AM
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Anybody ride Satori wheels recently? They’ve got a 20% off sale going right (420 BROZ!) now and I’m thinking about grabbing a couple sets but I’ve never rode them before. I’ve always wanted a set with the dude riding the elephant and those Philly Santosuosso wheels look dope too haha
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The dude on elephant are their higher grade urethane, don't know anything about them, but should be good.
I sold a set of vinyl cuts 101 52 to a friend because I had them in my skatebag and he had flatspots, and he's happy with them.
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Dope, I’m gonna cop a couple sets. It’s like $8 off per set of wheels.

Didn't know they were doing decks as well these days!
https://www.satorimovement.com/collections/decks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on April 22, 2022, 11:01:48 AM
New Powell / Bones softer formula coming out. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcqMUbso5eW/

On the SkateOne forum about 2 years ago they sent out a couple demo sets of wheels that were to replace the DTF (Ditch Tech Formula) and these may be those.  The people that reviewed them raved. 

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

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I got to test ride the prototype DTF's. Here's the write-up I did for Rob after a few weeks. Warning - LONG read.

Hey Rob,

I never got to skate the actual gnarly concrete drainage ditch, but I don't know when I will because it needs to be cleaned up badly. I only skated it once, with spitfire f4 99's, and in the confined space it was really hard to get speed. I only mention it because after skating these wheels in some other places, I bet they'd have performed beautifully. I'll tell you where I did skate and the SPEED, GRIP, SLIDE, FEEL and WEAR.

1. The street (the real street)

SPEED: I cannot commute around my town with regular street wheels (99a and harder) because I will rattle to a stop. I actually lose speed going downhill half the time. Getting from one place to another means constantly working against this, so there's way more pushing than gliding. New asphalt is the exception and all the spots are rough asphalt or pavement. Skating the harder wheels is just too unpleasant and difficult for me to want to do it much, and the ML 90a's were much faster but would deform a bit when sticking something hard. I thought that with craggy streets there was no good compromise, but these wheels are. They were faster everywhere on the street than any of hard wheels AND the 90a Mini Logos of about the same size. I measured this using an inertia test. I would start at the top of a stretch and just roll, and then see how far I went up the opposite uphill side. The DTF's definitely felt faster, took me way further up the other side than the Bones STFs I have on another board, and also further than the 90a ML's (though not as far). They are fast and I would pick these over any other wheel for "real" street skating because nothing is faster. The only thing that would probably beat them downhill are my large 85a Bombers on my big cruiser board, and I don't have the guts to go that fast these days anyway.

GRIP: Grip is awesome. I have slid out hanging hard turns on harder wheels before, and these stuck. I could feel that they were sticking (more on that below) and so I was able to lean into turns harder while going faster with much greater confidence. I never lost it and they never squirreled out from under me. I have a small quarter pipe surfaced with masonite and these definitely gripped better than my hard wheels.

SLIDE: I'm not a slidey skater. For power slides could make my back wheels break loose on asphalt but not on smooth concrete. To me this is good, because I've slid out and eaten shit on hard turns before. I'm sure others could get real slides out of them. They still slid well enough for me to scoot into the direction I wanted to be going when I landed 180's and I could still do 180 slides.

FEEL: This is where I feel like I sound like I'm overselling these. These wheels feel great. They stick and stay smooth like a softer wheel on rougher terrain, but they don't deform when landing tricks (or maybe I just don't land that hard...I weigh 150 lbs and am not that aggressive). I've had 97a wheels that felt A LOT harder than these and rode like rocks, but big cruiser 85a Bombers and the 90a Mini Logos sacrifice some trick performance for their ride. This is the most ideal "real street" wheel I've ever encountered. These are staying on my street board and I'll never put hard wheels back on it except for the park.

WEAR: Honestly, no wear to speak of. I could see a little streaking in them when I did slides, but these were never flat spots. I expect this from Bones wheels, though.

2. The park (a pretty smooth park)

SPEED: This is where this wheel surprised me the most. They were REALLY NOT SLOW AT ALL. Was it slower than my 84b SPF's? Yeah, but the difference was not enough to put me off. I pretty much only skate 84b SPF's at the park, especially in the bowls, but...

GRIP: ...the trade-off in grip in the bowl was WAY positive. I could tell pumping down transitions that I was on a slower wheel, but after a little initial adjustment I skated them without issue. They didn't feel "sticky" like 90a or 85a wheels do. In a big smooth bowl those things can feel like rolling on glue traps. These were still fast and I didn't spend any time at all at the park wishing I had my harder wheels. The funny part is that I actually WENT HIGHER with more confidence in the bowl because of the additional grip. I slashed the highest parts of the bowls in these that I've yet to even touch with my SPF's despite feeling like I wasn't going quite as fast. I'm still kind of coming to terms with this and comparing; would I rather have a pair of these in the bowl than my SPF's?

SLIDE: Never really got these to break into a powerslide at the park, but that's really not my bag. They slid just fine on the coping. Feebles and little "scoots" in the concrete mini ramp were just as easy as with hard wheels.

FEEL: They are not quite as fast, but they don't feel like a squishy or sticky wheel at the park. If I were one who skates to the park to skate the park, it'd be these wheels all the way.

WEAR: Again, nothing noticeable. I only skated maybe four sessions with them, but I would expect these to last as long as other Bones wheels.

Overall...I'd say 9.5 out of 10. it's hard not to give these a 10 because they're not optimal for everything, but they are the most optimal across all categories. Before these wheels there was really no street wheel that I'd take to most of the spots in my town, or that I would commute with. These wheels are IT for that. For parks I'll still use my SPF's, but since I was climbing higher on these I'm gonna continue to skate these there too.

I never skated the old Ditchtech Formula wheels, but given how versatile these wheels are I'd say that's a bit of a misnomer. This is really a great general street wheel that can still be used at the park. But again, I'm a little guy. A bigger person and/or someone doing big stuff and sticking it hard might not be as enamored as I am with them for street use.

I am gonna clean out the growth and trash and try to skate that ditch eventually.
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I watched some nka youtube video at least 2-3 years ago and && was already talking about how much he loves these wheels. Seems like he's been on them for quite some time. Definitely gonna try them out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2022, 12:11:53 PM
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New Powell / Bones softer formula coming out. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcqMUbso5eW/

On the SkateOne forum about 2 years ago they sent out a couple demo sets of wheels that were to replace the DTF (Ditch Tech Formula) and these may be those.  The people that reviewed them raved. 

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

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I got to test ride the prototype DTF's. Here's the write-up I did for Rob after a few weeks. Warning - LONG read.

Hey Rob,

I never got to skate the actual gnarly concrete drainage ditch, but I don't know when I will because it needs to be cleaned up badly. I only skated it once, with spitfire f4 99's, and in the confined space it was really hard to get speed. I only mention it because after skating these wheels in some other places, I bet they'd have performed beautifully. I'll tell you where I did skate and the SPEED, GRIP, SLIDE, FEEL and WEAR.

1. The street (the real street)

SPEED: I cannot commute around my town with regular street wheels (99a and harder) because I will rattle to a stop. I actually lose speed going downhill half the time. Getting from one place to another means constantly working against this, so there's way more pushing than gliding. New asphalt is the exception and all the spots are rough asphalt or pavement. Skating the harder wheels is just too unpleasant and difficult for me to want to do it much, and the ML 90a's were much faster but would deform a bit when sticking something hard. I thought that with craggy streets there was no good compromise, but these wheels are. They were faster everywhere on the street than any of hard wheels AND the 90a Mini Logos of about the same size. I measured this using an inertia test. I would start at the top of a stretch and just roll, and then see how far I went up the opposite uphill side. The DTF's definitely felt faster, took me way further up the other side than the Bones STFs I have on another board, and also further than the 90a ML's (though not as far). They are fast and I would pick these over any other wheel for "real" street skating because nothing is faster. The only thing that would probably beat them downhill are my large 85a Bombers on my big cruiser board, and I don't have the guts to go that fast these days anyway.

GRIP: Grip is awesome. I have slid out hanging hard turns on harder wheels before, and these stuck. I could feel that they were sticking (more on that below) and so I was able to lean into turns harder while going faster with much greater confidence. I never lost it and they never squirreled out from under me. I have a small quarter pipe surfaced with masonite and these definitely gripped better than my hard wheels.

SLIDE: I'm not a slidey skater. For power slides could make my back wheels break loose on asphalt but not on smooth concrete. To me this is good, because I've slid out and eaten shit on hard turns before. I'm sure others could get real slides out of them. They still slid well enough for me to scoot into the direction I wanted to be going when I landed 180's and I could still do 180 slides.

FEEL: This is where I feel like I sound like I'm overselling these. These wheels feel great. They stick and stay smooth like a softer wheel on rougher terrain, but they don't deform when landing tricks (or maybe I just don't land that hard...I weigh 150 lbs and am not that aggressive). I've had 97a wheels that felt A LOT harder than these and rode like rocks, but big cruiser 85a Bombers and the 90a Mini Logos sacrifice some trick performance for their ride. This is the most ideal "real street" wheel I've ever encountered. These are staying on my street board and I'll never put hard wheels back on it except for the park.

WEAR: Honestly, no wear to speak of. I could see a little streaking in them when I did slides, but these were never flat spots. I expect this from Bones wheels, though.

2. The park (a pretty smooth park)

SPEED: This is where this wheel surprised me the most. They were REALLY NOT SLOW AT ALL. Was it slower than my 84b SPF's? Yeah, but the difference was not enough to put me off. I pretty much only skate 84b SPF's at the park, especially in the bowls, but...

GRIP: ...the trade-off in grip in the bowl was WAY positive. I could tell pumping down transitions that I was on a slower wheel, but after a little initial adjustment I skated them without issue. They didn't feel "sticky" like 90a or 85a wheels do. In a big smooth bowl those things can feel like rolling on glue traps. These were still fast and I didn't spend any time at all at the park wishing I had my harder wheels. The funny part is that I actually WENT HIGHER with more confidence in the bowl because of the additional grip. I slashed the highest parts of the bowls in these that I've yet to even touch with my SPF's despite feeling like I wasn't going quite as fast. I'm still kind of coming to terms with this and comparing; would I rather have a pair of these in the bowl than my SPF's?

SLIDE: Never really got these to break into a powerslide at the park, but that's really not my bag. They slid just fine on the coping. Feebles and little "scoots" in the concrete mini ramp were just as easy as with hard wheels.

FEEL: They are not quite as fast, but they don't feel like a squishy or sticky wheel at the park. If I were one who skates to the park to skate the park, it'd be these wheels all the way.

WEAR: Again, nothing noticeable. I only skated maybe four sessions with them, but I would expect these to last as long as other Bones wheels.

Overall...I'd say 9.5 out of 10. it's hard not to give these a 10 because they're not optimal for everything, but they are the most optimal across all categories. Before these wheels there was really no street wheel that I'd take to most of the spots in my town, or that I would commute with. These wheels are IT for that. For parks I'll still use my SPF's, but since I was climbing higher on these I'm gonna continue to skate these there too.

I never skated the old Ditchtech Formula wheels, but given how versatile these wheels are I'd say that's a bit of a misnomer. This is really a great general street wheel that can still be used at the park. But again, I'm a little guy. A bigger person and/or someone doing big stuff and sticking it hard might not be as enamored as I am with them for street use.

I am gonna clean out the growth and trash and try to skate that ditch eventually.
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I watched some nka youtube video at least 2-3 years ago and && was already talking about how much he loves these wheels. Seems like he's been on them for quite some time. Definitely gonna try them out

There was another video of an 'end user' testing them out ages ago/skating some really shoddy bank terrain, I know it's floating around this forum.

EDIT: Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfO9VS5aRxE&t=3s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on April 22, 2022, 12:25:28 PM
New Powell / Bones softer formula coming out. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcqMUbso5eW/

On the SkateOne forum about 2 years ago they sent out a couple demo sets of wheels that were to replace the DTF (Ditch Tech Formula) and these may be those.  The people that reviewed them raved. 

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

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I got to test ride the prototype DTF's. Here's the write-up I did for Rob after a few weeks. Warning - LONG read.

Hey Rob,

I never got to skate the actual gnarly concrete drainage ditch, but I don't know when I will because it needs to be cleaned up badly. I only skated it once, with spitfire f4 99's, and in the confined space it was really hard to get speed. I only mention it because after skating these wheels in some other places, I bet they'd have performed beautifully. I'll tell you where I did skate and the SPEED, GRIP, SLIDE, FEEL and WEAR.

1. The street (the real street)

SPEED: I cannot commute around my town with regular street wheels (99a and harder) because I will rattle to a stop. I actually lose speed going downhill half the time. Getting from one place to another means constantly working against this, so there's way more pushing than gliding. New asphalt is the exception and all the spots are rough asphalt or pavement. Skating the harder wheels is just too unpleasant and difficult for me to want to do it much, and the ML 90a's were much faster but would deform a bit when sticking something hard. I thought that with craggy streets there was no good compromise, but these wheels are. They were faster everywhere on the street than any of hard wheels AND the 90a Mini Logos of about the same size. I measured this using an inertia test. I would start at the top of a stretch and just roll, and then see how far I went up the opposite uphill side. The DTF's definitely felt faster, took me way further up the other side than the Bones STFs I have on another board, and also further than the 90a ML's (though not as far). They are fast and I would pick these over any other wheel for "real" street skating because nothing is faster. The only thing that would probably beat them downhill are my large 85a Bombers on my big cruiser board, and I don't have the guts to go that fast these days anyway.

GRIP: Grip is awesome. I have slid out hanging hard turns on harder wheels before, and these stuck. I could feel that they were sticking (more on that below) and so I was able to lean into turns harder while going faster with much greater confidence. I never lost it and they never squirreled out from under me. I have a small quarter pipe surfaced with masonite and these definitely gripped better than my hard wheels.

SLIDE: I'm not a slidey skater. For power slides could make my back wheels break loose on asphalt but not on smooth concrete. To me this is good, because I've slid out and eaten shit on hard turns before. I'm sure others could get real slides out of them. They still slid well enough for me to scoot into the direction I wanted to be going when I landed 180's and I could still do 180 slides.

FEEL: This is where I feel like I sound like I'm overselling these. These wheels feel great. They stick and stay smooth like a softer wheel on rougher terrain, but they don't deform when landing tricks (or maybe I just don't land that hard...I weigh 150 lbs and am not that aggressive). I've had 97a wheels that felt A LOT harder than these and rode like rocks, but big cruiser 85a Bombers and the 90a Mini Logos sacrifice some trick performance for their ride. This is the most ideal "real street" wheel I've ever encountered. These are staying on my street board and I'll never put hard wheels back on it except for the park.

WEAR: Honestly, no wear to speak of. I could see a little streaking in them when I did slides, but these were never flat spots. I expect this from Bones wheels, though.

2. The park (a pretty smooth park)

SPEED: This is where this wheel surprised me the most. They were REALLY NOT SLOW AT ALL. Was it slower than my 84b SPF's? Yeah, but the difference was not enough to put me off. I pretty much only skate 84b SPF's at the park, especially in the bowls, but...

GRIP: ...the trade-off in grip in the bowl was WAY positive. I could tell pumping down transitions that I was on a slower wheel, but after a little initial adjustment I skated them without issue. They didn't feel "sticky" like 90a or 85a wheels do. In a big smooth bowl those things can feel like rolling on glue traps. These were still fast and I didn't spend any time at all at the park wishing I had my harder wheels. The funny part is that I actually WENT HIGHER with more confidence in the bowl because of the additional grip. I slashed the highest parts of the bowls in these that I've yet to even touch with my SPF's despite feeling like I wasn't going quite as fast. I'm still kind of coming to terms with this and comparing; would I rather have a pair of these in the bowl than my SPF's?

SLIDE: Never really got these to break into a powerslide at the park, but that's really not my bag. They slid just fine on the coping. Feebles and little "scoots" in the concrete mini ramp were just as easy as with hard wheels.

FEEL: They are not quite as fast, but they don't feel like a squishy or sticky wheel at the park. If I were one who skates to the park to skate the park, it'd be these wheels all the way.

WEAR: Again, nothing noticeable. I only skated maybe four sessions with them, but I would expect these to last as long as other Bones wheels.

Overall...I'd say 9.5 out of 10. it's hard not to give these a 10 because they're not optimal for everything, but they are the most optimal across all categories. Before these wheels there was really no street wheel that I'd take to most of the spots in my town, or that I would commute with. These wheels are IT for that. For parks I'll still use my SPF's, but since I was climbing higher on these I'm gonna continue to skate these there too.

I never skated the old Ditchtech Formula wheels, but given how versatile these wheels are I'd say that's a bit of a misnomer. This is really a great general street wheel that can still be used at the park. But again, I'm a little guy. A bigger person and/or someone doing big stuff and sticking it hard might not be as enamored as I am with them for street use.

I am gonna clean out the growth and trash and try to skate that ditch eventually.
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Oh man DTFs were so good, stoked to try these out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on April 22, 2022, 01:22:02 PM
Might be an unnecessary question but are these new DTF replacements gonna be a Powell wheel or a Bones wheel? Either way, I'm definitely picking up a set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2022, 01:25:37 PM
Might be an unnecessary question but are these new DTF replacements gonna be a Powell wheel or a Bones wheel? Either way, I'm definitely picking up a set.

One would think Bones marketing would net better results.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lazyskater on April 22, 2022, 01:32:30 PM
Just as an fyi skateone already makes a 97a and 90a under Powell in their p5 shape. 

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-ripper-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-4pk?utm_source=google+shopping&utm_medium=Search&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsdqB0MCo9wIVReHICh2JYgxYEAQYASABEgKcO_D_BwE

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-ray-rodriguez-skull-and-sword-skateboard-wheels-58mm-90a-4pk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 22, 2022, 03:47:48 PM
Just as an fyi skateone already makes a 97a and 90a under Powell in their p5 shape. 

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-ripper-skateboard-wheels-54mm-97a-4pk?utm_source=google+shopping&utm_medium=Search&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsdqB0MCo9wIVReHICh2JYgxYEAQYASABEgKcO_D_BwE

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-ray-rodriguez-skull-and-sword-skateboard-wheels-58mm-90a-4pk

Ah cool thanks for the info. Do you happen to know what "formula" the 97a Rippers are?? Is it STF, SPF, etc?

I've got a pair of Bones STF 99a V5, and I'm shocked by how well they handle crusty streets for a hard 99a wheel. It feels like a 97a in terms of how it handles streets, but a 99a in terms of "feel" and trick response. It doesn't have that soft muted "bouncy" feeling 97a and under can have. Feels unmistakably like a street/trick wheel, but just handles shitty streets better. They are also feel faster than Spitfire F4 99a.

However, their slide is so hard to initiate. I actually had a scary slip out while doing a BS Powerslide where they just went full ice cube out of nowhere. It was a little bit wet out, but the part of the street I was skating was mostly dry. Maybe it was a fluke, but its got me a little shook about going hard on those wheels. Hard to initiate a slide, and then once they do they might slip out? Seems like a bad combo.

Its making me think a 98a STF could have some real potential if they just sort of give up on slideability and focus on a hard/fast trick wheel that tackles crust. Just push it right to the edge of keeping it a hard trick wheel, and see how much crust they can make a wheel like that handle before becoming a bouncy/muted wheel. Maybe 99a IS that limit though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on April 24, 2022, 01:45:16 PM
Today I set up some sml AG formula 53mm OG wides (so Creative Urethane ones I assume?) and I’m really impressed. They feel like something between Spitfire classics and 101a f4’s, maybe like 101a Spit classics. They slide well, aren’t too hard like Bones can sometimes feel and don’t lose speed too fast. I was little bit afraid of trying other wheels than Spitfire and Bones because I had so bad experience with Waywards, but now I could say that I can ride smaller wheel brand wheels again. If you want trying something new, I can recommend these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: realbasedgod112 on April 24, 2022, 11:39:14 PM
my experience with the satoris has been a rollercoaster. (conical 101a 53mm)

-super fast on all ground (that i rode them on)
-they slide yet also grip really well on smooth surfaces, and while they still feel good enough on street terrain they are LOUD.
-long slides, i had no problems with breaking them into a powerslide or a revert yet they never slid out once.
-lockin is nothing special, no discernible difference for me between bones sidecuts
-they flatspotted upon getting stopped by a pebble. bombing a hill removed the majority of the flat and its detriments, but there's still a clunky sound when i ride them.

overall i'd recommend them if you have some money to burn, or if you skate a lot of glass-smooth parks. i don't skate much transition, but they would likely be worthwhile for one of those setups due to the notable speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 25, 2022, 12:46:22 AM
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New Powell / Bones softer formula coming out. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcqMUbso5eW/

On the SkateOne forum about 2 years ago they sent out a couple demo sets of wheels that were to replace the DTF (Ditch Tech Formula) and these may be those.  The people that reviewed them raved. 

https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/comment/48037#Comment_48037

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I got to test ride the prototype DTF's. Here's the write-up I did for Rob after a few weeks. Warning - LONG read.

Hey Rob,

I never got to skate the actual gnarly concrete drainage ditch, but I don't know when I will because it needs to be cleaned up badly. I only skated it once, with spitfire f4 99's, and in the confined space it was really hard to get speed. I only mention it because after skating these wheels in some other places, I bet they'd have performed beautifully. I'll tell you where I did skate and the SPEED, GRIP, SLIDE, FEEL and WEAR.

1. The street (the real street)

SPEED: I cannot commute around my town with regular street wheels (99a and harder) because I will rattle to a stop. I actually lose speed going downhill half the time. Getting from one place to another means constantly working against this, so there's way more pushing than gliding. New asphalt is the exception and all the spots are rough asphalt or pavement. Skating the harder wheels is just too unpleasant and difficult for me to want to do it much, and the ML 90a's were much faster but would deform a bit when sticking something hard. I thought that with craggy streets there was no good compromise, but these wheels are. They were faster everywhere on the street than any of hard wheels AND the 90a Mini Logos of about the same size. I measured this using an inertia test. I would start at the top of a stretch and just roll, and then see how far I went up the opposite uphill side. The DTF's definitely felt faster, took me way further up the other side than the Bones STFs I have on another board, and also further than the 90a ML's (though not as far). They are fast and I would pick these over any other wheel for "real" street skating because nothing is faster. The only thing that would probably beat them downhill are my large 85a Bombers on my big cruiser board, and I don't have the guts to go that fast these days anyway.

GRIP: Grip is awesome. I have slid out hanging hard turns on harder wheels before, and these stuck. I could feel that they were sticking (more on that below) and so I was able to lean into turns harder while going faster with much greater confidence. I never lost it and they never squirreled out from under me. I have a small quarter pipe surfaced with masonite and these definitely gripped better than my hard wheels.

SLIDE: I'm not a slidey skater. For power slides could make my back wheels break loose on asphalt but not on smooth concrete. To me this is good, because I've slid out and eaten shit on hard turns before. I'm sure others could get real slides out of them. They still slid well enough for me to scoot into the direction I wanted to be going when I landed 180's and I could still do 180 slides.

FEEL: This is where I feel like I sound like I'm overselling these. These wheels feel great. They stick and stay smooth like a softer wheel on rougher terrain, but they don't deform when landing tricks (or maybe I just don't land that hard...I weigh 150 lbs and am not that aggressive). I've had 97a wheels that felt A LOT harder than these and rode like rocks, but big cruiser 85a Bombers and the 90a Mini Logos sacrifice some trick performance for their ride. This is the most ideal "real street" wheel I've ever encountered. These are staying on my street board and I'll never put hard wheels back on it except for the park.

WEAR: Honestly, no wear to speak of. I could see a little streaking in them when I did slides, but these were never flat spots. I expect this from Bones wheels, though.

2. The park (a pretty smooth park)

SPEED: This is where this wheel surprised me the most. They were REALLY NOT SLOW AT ALL. Was it slower than my 84b SPF's? Yeah, but the difference was not enough to put me off. I pretty much only skate 84b SPF's at the park, especially in the bowls, but...

GRIP: ...the trade-off in grip in the bowl was WAY positive. I could tell pumping down transitions that I was on a slower wheel, but after a little initial adjustment I skated them without issue. They didn't feel "sticky" like 90a or 85a wheels do. In a big smooth bowl those things can feel like rolling on glue traps. These were still fast and I didn't spend any time at all at the park wishing I had my harder wheels. The funny part is that I actually WENT HIGHER with more confidence in the bowl because of the additional grip. I slashed the highest parts of the bowls in these that I've yet to even touch with my SPF's despite feeling like I wasn't going quite as fast. I'm still kind of coming to terms with this and comparing; would I rather have a pair of these in the bowl than my SPF's?

SLIDE: Never really got these to break into a powerslide at the park, but that's really not my bag. They slid just fine on the coping. Feebles and little "scoots" in the concrete mini ramp were just as easy as with hard wheels.

FEEL: They are not quite as fast, but they don't feel like a squishy or sticky wheel at the park. If I were one who skates to the park to skate the park, it'd be these wheels all the way.

WEAR: Again, nothing noticeable. I only skated maybe four sessions with them, but I would expect these to last as long as other Bones wheels.

Overall...I'd say 9.5 out of 10. it's hard not to give these a 10 because they're not optimal for everything, but they are the most optimal across all categories. Before these wheels there was really no street wheel that I'd take to most of the spots in my town, or that I would commute with. These wheels are IT for that. For parks I'll still use my SPF's, but since I was climbing higher on these I'm gonna continue to skate these there too.

I never skated the old Ditchtech Formula wheels, but given how versatile these wheels are I'd say that's a bit of a misnomer. This is really a great general street wheel that can still be used at the park. But again, I'm a little guy. A bigger person and/or someone doing big stuff and sticking it hard might not be as enamored as I am with them for street use.

I am gonna clean out the growth and trash and try to skate that ditch eventually.
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I watched some nka youtube video at least 2-3 years ago and && was already talking about how much he loves these wheels. Seems like he's been on them for quite some time. Definitely gonna try them out
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There was another video of an 'end user' testing them out ages ago/skating some really shoddy bank terrain, I know it's floating around this forum.

EDIT: Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfO9VS5aRxE&t=3s

OK, these posts are getting me hyped. I love Bones 103a so much, and I want them to come through with a solid softer wheel. The STF 99a has some major upsides to it, but the awful slide tendencies are really frustrating and kind of a dealbreaker.

If they can pull off a wheel that handles crust and slides, I will be a happy camper.

Can anyone find any other videos of someone skating these wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on April 26, 2022, 05:27:50 AM
found a set of gold wheels in my room. idk how these are but theyre probably ass

https://imgur.com/a/lBj531y

(https://imgur.com/a/lBj531y)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2022, 05:43:53 AM
found a set of gold wheels in my room. idk how these are but theyre probably ass

https://imgur.com/a/lBj531y

(https://imgur.com/a/lBj531y)


They usually came on the completes, which amount to price point setups, but they still worked well enough.

Better than nothing, or great to make some kid (or anyone) happy who has not much else to skate.


Worlds apart from the 60mm Radial Fulls though, which I would happily buy in any size, or swap for brand new wheels in any other size or shape but I am in AU so unless you are also "Down Under" shipping would be ridiculous.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 26, 2022, 06:09:26 AM
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found a set of gold wheels in my room. idk how these are but theyre probably ass

https://imgur.com/a/lBj531y

(https://imgur.com/a/lBj531y)
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They usually came on the completes, which amount to price point setups, but they still worked well enough.

Better than nothing, or great to make some kid (or anyone) happy who has not much else to skate.


Worlds apart from the 60mm Radial Fulls though, which I would happily buy in any size, or swap for brand new wheels in any other size or shape but I am in AU so unless you are also "Down Under" shipping would be ridiculous.

Man I'm someone who likes bigger/wider wheels, but even my 56mm Radial Fulls feel slightly too big.

Are you really doing tricks on the 60mm version?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2022, 06:23:36 AM
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Worlds apart from the 60mm Radial Fulls though, which I would happily buy in any size, or swap for brand new wheels in any other size or shape but I am in AU so unless you are also "Down Under" shipping would be ridiculous.
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Man I'm someone who likes bigger/wider wheels, but even my 56mm Radial Fulls feel slightly too big.

Are you really doing tricks on the 60mm version?


I have more than a few setups with different things in mind, so that set of 60mm or so would be on a "go fast" board, meaning a board I can still skate normally (not a cruiser setup) but would be more for doing laps around skateparks and bowls than anything else, so a fast fifty here or a manual round the platform there kind of thing.

Not quite or should I say at all the same as Kader or T-Funk or some of those guys on the 60mm wheels though.


Other more normal boards have wheels worn down to 50mm or smaller, which are more the carpark curb mess around type of setup, along with a few in between with varying sizes of wheels, if that makes sense?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: vicious cycle on April 27, 2022, 01:33:47 PM
Anyone ever had Oj Keyframes and noticed a strange vibration on smooth ground ?
Can't figure out where it comes from .
They are new so maybe it will go away after a few hours.
At least i hope so.
I use 2 speedrings on the inside and one on the outside.
With fresh cleaned and oiled Bones Swiss.
It's a more high frequency vibration that feels distracting.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: qweenmess on April 27, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
I'm looking for 58mm 99a wheels, so far I'm considering:

OJ Elite Hardline
Spitfire Radial Fulls
Snot Team Conicals

Anyone got experience with these? Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 27, 2022, 04:55:47 PM
I'm looking for 58mm 99a wheels, so far I'm considering:

OJ Elite Hardline
Spitfire Radial Fulls
Snot Team Conicals

Anyone got experience with these? Any suggestions?

Radial Fulls are huge. Very wide and heavy, even at 56mm. Mine have some quality control issues and chunking as well. If you're actually popping ollies doing street skating and doing anything tech, I would be hesitant to go all the way up to 58mm on those. I did a whole review of them in the Spitfire F4 thread. I was disappointing, but they have their pluses. My main issue is that despite their size and heft, they still struggle with crusty streets: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3781571#msg3781571

I can't speak to the Hardlines, but their OJ Elite 101a Minicombos were surprisingly good, but I would only grab them if they're on a sale, personally. Can't speak to their 99a Hardlines. They definitely feel a half-step below Bones/Spitfire in quality, but are in the running for sure. If its full price, I say wait until they are on sale.

Bones has 56mm Conical Fulls (V6 Widecut as they call it) in 99a. I have very mixed feelings on their 99a though. They are faster than F4 99a, and tackle crust better too... but their slide is very suspect. I've heard their previous version of 99a that were bright white slid really well, but I never got to try them. They discontinued those and replaced it with a "natural" color, and they stick pretty bad. The good news is Bones wheels go on sale for super cheap. I got some Bones STF for like $21 each from Tactics a couple months back because they were on clearance and they had a % off coupon that worked on clearance items. Could be a cheap experiment next time there is a sale.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2022, 05:11:18 PM
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I'm looking for 58mm 99a wheels, so far I'm considering:

OJ Elite Hardline
Spitfire Radial Fulls
Snot Team Conicals

Anyone got experience with these? Any suggestions?
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Radial Fulls are huge. Very wide and heavy, even at 56mm. Mine have some quality control issues and chunking as well. If you're actually popping ollies doing street skating and doing anything tech, I would be hesitant to go all the way up to 58mm on those. I did a whole review of them in the Spitfire F4 thread. I was disappointing, but they have their pluses. My main issue is that despite their size and heft, they still struggle with crusty streets: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3781571#msg3781571

I can't speak to the Hardlines, but their OJ Elite 101a Minicombos were surprisingly good, but I would only grab them if they're on a sale, personally. Can't speak to their 99a Hardlines. They definitely feel a half-step below Bones/Spitfire in quality, but are in the running for sure. If its full price, I say wait until they are on sale.

Bones has 56mm Conical Fulls (V6 Widecut as they call it) in 99a. I have very mixed feelings on their 99a though. They are faster than F4 99a, and tackle crust better too... but their slide is very suspect. I've heard their previous version of 99a that were bright white slid really well, but I never got to try them. They discontinued those and replaced it with a "natural" color, and they stick pretty bad. The good news is Bones wheels go on sale for super cheap. I got some Bones STF for like $21 each from Tactics a couple months back because they were on clearance and they had a % off coupon that worked on clearance items. Could be a cheap experiment next time there is a sale.

I've been skating OJ Elite 101a hardlines for the past few days....I forgot how fast/hard (they rattle you like SPFs on street do) they were but also how FUCKING GRIPPY...dropping to 99a....I dunno man..I'd only ever skate these in a park setting (and a slippery one at that), which is why I shelved them, again.

When it comes to 99a, Spitfire is the way to go. As noted Radial Fulls are big boys, if you don't need that much hesh, just grab radials or conicals.

I'm a broken record, but the first wave of Bones EZ 99a streets were fucking sick (the white ones, not those dirty birds to compete with spitatos) they slide waaaaaay better than the current 99a and dare I say I'd pick them over spits 99a as they handled rough shit just a tad better but without losing anything.

I'm back on 103a STFs full time now, the V5 just work for me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on April 27, 2022, 05:20:54 PM
Anyone ever had Oj Keyframes and noticed a strange vibration on smooth ground ?
Can't figure out where it comes from .
They are new so maybe it will go away after a few hours.
At least i hope so.
I use 2 speedrings on the inside and one on the outside.
With fresh cleaned and oiled Bones Swiss.
It's a more high frequency vibration that feels distracting.

interesting, like rough ground or like a weird steady hum vibration?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: qweenmess on April 27, 2022, 06:31:30 PM
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I'm looking for 58mm 99a wheels, so far I'm considering:

OJ Elite Hardline
Spitfire Radial Fulls
Snot Team Conicals

Anyone got experience with these? Any suggestions?
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Radial Fulls are huge. Very wide and heavy, even at 56mm. Mine have some quality control issues and chunking as well. If you're actually popping ollies doing street skating and doing anything tech, I would be hesitant to go all the way up to 58mm on those. I did a whole review of them in the Spitfire F4 thread. I was disappointing, but they have their pluses. My main issue is that despite their size and heft, they still struggle with crusty streets: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3781571#msg3781571

I can't speak to the Hardlines, but their OJ Elite 101a Minicombos were surprisingly good, but I would only grab them if they're on a sale, personally. Can't speak to their 99a Hardlines. They definitely feel a half-step below Bones/Spitfire in quality, but are in the running for sure. If its full price, I say wait until they are on sale.

Bones has 56mm Conical Fulls (V6 Widecut as they call it) in 99a. I have very mixed feelings on their 99a though. They are faster than F4 99a, and tackle crust better too... but their slide is very suspect. I've heard their previous version of 99a that were bright white slid really well, but I never got to try them. They discontinued those and replaced it with a "natural" color, and they stick pretty bad. The good news is Bones wheels go on sale for super cheap. I got some Bones STF for like $21 each from Tactics a couple months back because they were on clearance and they had a % off coupon that worked on clearance items. Could be a cheap experiment next time there is a sale.
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I've been skating OJ Elite 101a hardlines for the past few days....I forgot how fast/hard (they rattle you like SPFs on street do) they were but also how FUCKING GRIPPY...dropping to 99a....I dunno man..I'd only ever skate these in a park setting (and a slippery one at that), which is why I shelved them, again.

When it comes to 99a, Spitfire is the way to go. As noted Radial Fulls are big boys, if you don't need that much hesh, just grab radials or conicals.

I'm a broken record, but the first wave of Bones EZ 99a streets were fucking sick (the white ones, not those dirty birds to compete with spitatos) they slide waaaaaay better than the current 99a and dare I say I'd pick them over spits 99a as they handled rough shit just a tad better but without losing anything.

I'm back on 103a STFs full time now, the V5 just work for me.

I found the 99a Elite Hardlines in 58mm for sale so I pulled the trigger, I'll give a little review once I've worn them in.

I'm currently riding 92a ricta clouds at 56mm and they're nice but I wanted something harder that will still ride smooth, so I'm excited for these to get here and to try something new.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2022, 06:49:10 PM
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I'm looking for 58mm 99a wheels, so far I'm considering:

OJ Elite Hardline
Spitfire Radial Fulls
Snot Team Conicals

Anyone got experience with these? Any suggestions?
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Radial Fulls are huge. Very wide and heavy, even at 56mm. Mine have some quality control issues and chunking as well. If you're actually popping ollies doing street skating and doing anything tech, I would be hesitant to go all the way up to 58mm on those. I did a whole review of them in the Spitfire F4 thread. I was disappointing, but they have their pluses. My main issue is that despite their size and heft, they still struggle with crusty streets: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3781571#msg3781571

I can't speak to the Hardlines, but their OJ Elite 101a Minicombos were surprisingly good, but I would only grab them if they're on a sale, personally. Can't speak to their 99a Hardlines. They definitely feel a half-step below Bones/Spitfire in quality, but are in the running for sure. If its full price, I say wait until they are on sale.

Bones has 56mm Conical Fulls (V6 Widecut as they call it) in 99a. I have very mixed feelings on their 99a though. They are faster than F4 99a, and tackle crust better too... but their slide is very suspect. I've heard their previous version of 99a that were bright white slid really well, but I never got to try them. They discontinued those and replaced it with a "natural" color, and they stick pretty bad. The good news is Bones wheels go on sale for super cheap. I got some Bones STF for like $21 each from Tactics a couple months back because they were on clearance and they had a % off coupon that worked on clearance items. Could be a cheap experiment next time there is a sale.
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I've been skating OJ Elite 101a hardlines for the past few days....I forgot how fast/hard (they rattle you like SPFs on street do) they were but also how FUCKING GRIPPY...dropping to 99a....I dunno man..I'd only ever skate these in a park setting (and a slippery one at that), which is why I shelved them, again.

When it comes to 99a, Spitfire is the way to go. As noted Radial Fulls are big boys, if you don't need that much hesh, just grab radials or conicals.

I'm a broken record, but the first wave of Bones EZ 99a streets were fucking sick (the white ones, not those dirty birds to compete with spitatos) they slide waaaaaay better than the current 99a and dare I say I'd pick them over spits 99a as they handled rough shit just a tad better but without losing anything.

I'm back on 103a STFs full time now, the V5 just work for me.
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I found the 99a Elite Hardlines in 58mm for sale so I pulled the trigger, I'll give a little review once I've worn them in.

I'm currently riding 92a ricta clouds at 56mm and they're nice but I wanted something harder that will still ride smooth, so I'm excited for these to get here and to try something new.

If you are bumping up from 92s you'll do fine, just don't expect to powerslide like you are riding STFs =D OJ Elites are seriously underrated and provide more grip than either Spit or STFs, and as I mentioned, harder and faster too...my issue with them is for blunt/tail/nose slides or reverts, they have to be pushed hard at speed to match the other two...it's like night and day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 27, 2022, 07:06:41 PM
I actually put my Bones STF 99a (Natural Color) V5s 55mm on my main board to see if they would feel any better than on my rainboard.

The main word I would use to describe them is DANGEROUS. They do NOT initiate a slide easily. I have to really crank my hips and put some weight behind them to initiate even the smallest slide. They're harder to get to slide than F4 97a BUT the MAIN issue with the STF 99a is that once they start to slide, they can easily become ICE CUBES. I'm talking, hydroplaning with no traction.

Its like when people do those ghost-riding boomerang tricks with the board rotating along the ground in front of them... except ALL of your weight is on the board-- RELYING on the board... but the board has no traction to support you.

The margin of error between "no slide" and "no traction" is so insanely narrow. I really can't recommend these wheels for that reason alone. Even reverts are noticeably sticky and require more effort. Which of course when it comes to powerslides, this extra muscle you put into it makes that small margin of error very easy to blast past.

For comparison, F4 97a's grip is consistent. It sucks for sliding, but it consistently sucks for sliding in a reliable way that is never overtly dangerous. For the STF 99a, It feels like I have to put so much extra effort into overcompensating, even for something as simple as a revert. Even just popping 180s, there is less margin for error on the rotation because they stick when you land.

I wish the slide wasn't so bad, because as Xen said, they handle rough stuff better than F4 99a without feeling soft/bouncy like F4 97a. That's a pretty notable achievement, and makes me want Bones to give this formula another overhaul. In general, they are noticeably faster than F4 99a too (something Bones wheels don't get enough credit for).

As for the shape, these V5 wheels have such a narrow contact area compared to everything else I skate. It felt like my board was "on its tip toes". People like to compare Bones wheels to Spitfire wheels by width, rather than contact patch, and I really discourage people from doing that. These things are really narrow at 16.5mm of contact which is equal to Spitfire's absolute thinnest wheel at this size (Classic). Conicals at this diameter are about 20.2mm in contact.

I might give the 56mm V6 a try if I can find those for for $20, but for now, I think I'm putting these on the shelf.

+ Rolls faster than F4 99a.
+ Handles rough streets *much* better than F4 99a, but not quite as well as F4 97a.
+ Feels like a hard responsive trick wheel without the slightly bouncy/muted feel F4 97a have.
+/- Have a deeper muted sound compared to F4 99a and STF 103a.
- Extremely sticky. Hard to initiate even small slides. Reverts require more effort.
- Completely lose traction easily. The margin between the force required for initiation and slip-out is very narrow.
- Less margin of error for board orientation when landing due to stickiness.

6.5/10. I can't say I recommend these. I love everything about this formula except the slide, but the slide is really THAT BAD.

If you're a skate nerd (I use the term lovingly) they are a unique wheel worth checking out on clearance just for curiosity sake: due to being a hard and fast 99a wheel they can handles rough stuff more closely to a 97a wheel. But otherwise, I would say stay away and recommend the (unexciting but useful) F4 97a for a wheel that handles crust.

I wish I got to try the white 99a Easy Streets, because those sound right up my alley. Until then, I guess I just have to wait for the "Experimental Formula" that Bones/Powell-Peralta have been teasing for years now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: vicious cycle on April 28, 2022, 12:15:03 AM
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Anyone ever had Oj Keyframes and noticed a strange vibration on smooth ground ?
Can't figure out where it comes from .
They are new so maybe it will go away after a few hours.
At least i hope so.
I use 2 speedrings on the inside and one on the outside.
With fresh cleaned and oiled Bones Swiss.
It's a more high frequency vibration that feels distracting.
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interesting, like rough ground or like a weird steady hum vibration?
More like a steady hum , kind of. In a high frequency.  Hard to explain in english.
But it vibrates into my feed like someone puts a massage gun under your shoe sole. And you can hear it. A high tone.
It's weird and I hope it goes away.
I hoped people say it's normal and they need to break in.
We will see.
Other than that, those weels are great. I tried them om the crust hill I use to bomb with my mini juice wheels and they hold up pretty well. After that I pushed to the park to try them out on transition and ledges and you can make them work there too. Flip tricks also are doable.
A really nice wheel so far. Now all they have to do is stop vibrating..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on May 04, 2022, 09:56:31 AM
What is the difference between Oj super juice vs hot juice? Both 60mm and 78a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 04, 2022, 11:16:40 AM
What is the difference between Oj super juice vs hot juice? Both 60mm and 78a.

someone mentioned the super is a newer formula and less prone to chunking etc i wanna say?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 04, 2022, 11:37:45 AM
Yeah, the mold and/or lathing/shaping is definitely different, maybe a newer core design on the Super Juice, too? Not sure about the urethane.

Hot juice are like a true vintage shape. Perfectly straight, sharp, 90° cut on the inside, molded “OJ III” in the cone, and a skinny little lip.

If I had to describe a difference in ride, I think Hot Juice feel softer because of how that thinner lip grips the crust (especially when turning/carving), and I think Super Juice feel a little more rigid and fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on May 04, 2022, 12:08:01 PM
Yeah, the mold and/or lathing/shaping is definitely different, maybe a newer core design on the Super Juice, too? Not sure about the urethane.

Hot juice are like a true vintage shape. Perfectly straight, sharp, 90° cut on the inside, molded “OJ III” in the cone, and a skinny little lip.

If I had to describe a difference in ride, I think Hot Juice feel softer because of how that thinner lip grips the crust (especially when turning/carving), and I think Super Juice feel a little more rigid and fast.
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someone mentioned the super is a newer formula and less prone to chunking etc i wanna say?

Thanks to both of you. I think I'm leaning more towards the Super Juices then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 04, 2022, 12:55:26 PM
What is the difference between Oj super juice vs hot juice? Both 60mm and 78a.

They both ride the same but Super Juices are the updated design where it doesn't chip so easily, where as the Hot Juice is an old design that'd super prone to chipping. There's zero reason to get Hot Juices unless you're trying to replicate a 70's style board.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 05, 2022, 07:31:51 AM
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What is the difference between Oj super juice vs hot juice? Both 60mm and 78a.
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They both ride the same but Super Juices are the updated design where it doesn't chip so easily, where as the Hot Juice is an old design that'd super prone to chipping. There's zero reason to get Hot Juices unless you're trying to replicate a 70's style board.

Yeah, don't get the Hot Juices, I accidentaly took off a huge chunk with a bailed heelflip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8n hugon on May 05, 2022, 10:30:37 PM
Not sure if it’s common knowledge and just new to me, but the professor posted on instagram about riding the new bones wheels. 93a! Kinda surprised they’re going that soft. I’ll still try them though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 07, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
Can anyone anecdotally speak to how much the width of a wheel's contact patch affects speed? I know the wisdom is that thinner wheels go faster due to less friction, but how noticeable have you all found that it is?

I like wider wheels keeping stable while riding fast and maintaining speed through rough streets... but I'm wondering how much speed I am missing out on by going so wide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 07, 2022, 09:08:45 AM
It depends on the surface among other factors. Narrower wheels should go faster on perfect smooth ground. Wider wheels eat up rough ground  more efficiently... if everything else about the wheel is the same (diameter, durometer etc.)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 07, 2022, 12:06:47 PM
Not sure if it’s common knowledge and just new to me, but the professor posted on instagram about riding the new bones wheels. 93a! Kinda surprised they’re going that soft. I’ll still try them though.

I've seen the new Bones/PP formula referred to as SSF so I will call it that.

I've gotten to ride the SSF 97a a bunch. They feel almost exactly like a 101-103a wheel. They feel unmistakably harder than F4 99a.

They have the ground-feel of a 103a wheel in pretty much every way, but they don't just grind to a halt on rough streets. You know how your feet vibrate on really rough streets with 101a+ wheels? These still do that, except you maintain your speed better while its doing that? Its weird, it took me a while to realize that despite the vibration, I wasn't slowing down as much as the vibrations were communicating to me that I should be?

The SSF 97a slide much better than F4 97a. They take a little bit more effort to break into a powerslide than F4 99a, but they slide well once it does break into it. They maintain a healthy traction during slides too, so they don't turn into ice cubes like some other wheels (STF 99a naturals, I'm looking at you). They actually revert/180-powerslide better than Spitfire 99a, which is interesting. Really fun to spin around on. I was trying to master 360 powerslides on them, haha. Spent a lot of my time riding them doing that.

I've heard the technology behind the formula is relying on vibration for slide rather than slickness. Its really interesting... it has a unique slide because of that reliance on vibration. They also have a nice "Bones bark" to them too. A loud crisp wheel. Doesn't sound like a soft wheel at all.

The SSF 97a was too hard for me as someone who lives in a neighborhood that probably realistically warrants F4 97a wheels. For context, F4 99a barely get the job done here, so a harder wheel is a no-go for sure. Hardness aside, I was really impressed with the wheel. If you were to just look at it as a traditional 103a wheel, its a solid 103a wheel in every respect.

I could see whichever durometer ends up "feeling like 99a" could have real potential to become a serious F4 competitor. A wheel that feels like 99a but maintains speed over rough streets and rough spots? Seems pretty useful in a country that's a capitalist austerity hellhole with a crumbling infrastructure.

Take everything I say with a grain of salt since I only got to ride the most extreme end of the spectrum. I have no idea if any or all of the above will still be relevant to the 90a, 93a, and 95a... but I have a feeling either 93a or 95a could have potential to be that "sweet spot".
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 07, 2022, 12:44:59 PM
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Not sure if it’s common knowledge and just new to me, but the professor posted on instagram about riding the new bones wheels. 93a! Kinda surprised they’re going that soft. I’ll still try them though.
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I've seen the new Bones/PP formula referred to as SSF so I will call it that.

I've gotten to ride the SSF 97a a bunch. They feel almost exactly like a 101-103a wheel. They feel unmistakably harder than F4 99a.

They have the ground-feel of a 103a wheel in pretty much every way, but they don't just grind to a halt on rough streets. You know how your feet vibrate on really rough streets with 101a+ wheels? These still do that, except you maintain your speed better while its doing that? Its weird, it took me a while to realize that despite the vibration, I wasn't slowing down as much as the vibrations were communicating to me that I should be?

The SSF 97a slide much better than F4 97a. They take a little bit more effort to break into a powerslide than F4 99a, but they slide well once it does break into it. They maintain a healthy traction during slides too, so they don't turn into ice cubes like some other wheels (STF 99a naturals, I'm looking at you). They actually revert/180-powerslide better than Spitfire 99a, which is interesting. Really fun to spin around on. I was trying to master 360 powerslides on them, haha. Spent a lot of my time riding them doing that.

I've heard the technology behind the formula is relying on vibration for slide rather than slickness. Its really interesting... it has a unique slide because of that reliance on vibration. They also have a nice "Bones bark" to them too. A loud crisp wheel. Doesn't sound like a soft wheel at all.

The SSF 97a was too hard for me as someone who lives in a neighborhood that probably realistically warrants F4 97a wheels. For context, F4 99a barely get the job done here, so a harder wheel is a no-go for sure. Hardness aside, I was really impressed with the wheel. If you were to just look at it as a traditional 103a wheel, its a solid 103a wheel in every respect.

I could see whichever durometer ends up "feeling like 99a" could have real potential to become a serious F4 competitor. A wheel that feels like 99a but maintains speed over rough streets and rough spots? Seems pretty useful in a country that's a capitalist austerity hellhole with a crumbling infrastructure.

Take everything I say with a grain of salt since I only got to ride the most extreme end of the spectrum. I have no idea if any or all of the above will still be relevant to the 90a, 93a, and 95a... but I have a feeling either 93a or 95a could have potential to be that "sweet spot".

Hell yeah finally someone who rode them. Thanks for letting us know, I'm so hyped to try these. Probably would have gotten the 97a ones but now I'm gonna go lower.
Did you try them on any slick surfaces?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 07, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
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Not sure if it’s common knowledge and just new to me, but the professor posted on instagram about riding the new bones wheels. 93a! Kinda surprised they’re going that soft. I’ll still try them though.
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I've seen the new Bones/PP formula referred to as SSF so I will call it that.

I've gotten to ride the SSF 97a a bunch. They feel almost exactly like a 101-103a wheel. They feel unmistakably harder than F4 99a.

They have the ground-feel of a 103a wheel in pretty much every way, but they don't just grind to a halt on rough streets. You know how your feet vibrate on really rough streets with 101a+ wheels? These still do that, except you maintain your speed better while its doing that? Its weird, it took me a while to realize that despite the vibration, I wasn't slowing down as much as the vibrations were communicating to me that I should be?

The SSF 97a slide much better than F4 97a. They take a little bit more effort to break into a powerslide than F4 99a, but they slide well once it does break into it. They maintain a healthy traction during slides too, so they don't turn into ice cubes like some other wheels (STF 99a naturals, I'm looking at you). They actually revert/180-powerslide better than Spitfire 99a, which is interesting. Really fun to spin around on. I was trying to master 360 powerslides on them, haha. Spent a lot of my time riding them doing that.

I've heard the technology behind the formula is relying on vibration for slide rather than slickness. Its really interesting... it has a unique slide because of that reliance on vibration. They also have a nice "Bones bark" to them too. A loud crisp wheel. Doesn't sound like a soft wheel at all.

The SSF 97a was too hard for me as someone who lives in a neighborhood that probably realistically warrants F4 97a wheels. For context, F4 99a barely get the job done here, so a harder wheel is a no-go for sure. Hardness aside, I was really impressed with the wheel. If you were to just look at it as a traditional 103a wheel, its a solid 103a wheel in every respect.

I could see whichever durometer ends up "feeling like 99a" could have real potential to become a serious F4 competitor. A wheel that feels like 99a but maintains speed over rough streets and rough spots? Seems pretty useful in a country that's a capitalist austerity hellhole with a crumbling infrastructure.

Take everything I say with a grain of salt since I only got to ride the most extreme end of the spectrum. I have no idea if any or all of the above will still be relevant to the 90a, 93a, and 95a... but I have a feeling either 93a or 95a could have potential to be that "sweet spot".
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Hell yeah finally someone who rode them. Thanks for letting us know, I'm so hyped to try these. Probably would have gotten the 97a ones but now I'm gonna go lower.
Did you try them on any slick surfaces?

No, I haven't tried them on slick surfaces. Only street and sidewalk.

Oh also, I haven't grinded on them yet, before anyone asks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2022, 03:10:06 PM
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Not sure if it’s common knowledge and just new to me, but the professor posted on instagram about riding the new bones wheels. 93a! Kinda surprised they’re going that soft. I’ll still try them though.
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I've seen the new Bones/PP formula referred to as SSF so I will call it that.

I've gotten to ride the SSF 97a a bunch. They feel almost exactly like a 101-103a wheel. They feel unmistakably harder than F4 99a.

They have the ground-feel of a 103a wheel in pretty much every way, but they don't just grind to a halt on rough streets. You know how your feet vibrate on really rough streets with 101a+ wheels? These still do that, except you maintain your speed better while its doing that? Its weird, it took me a while to realize that despite the vibration, I wasn't slowing down as much as the vibrations were communicating to me that I should be?

The SSF 97a slide much better than F4 97a. They take a little bit more effort to break into a powerslide than F4 99a, but they slide well once it does break into it. They maintain a healthy traction during slides too, so they don't turn into ice cubes like some other wheels (STF 99a naturals, I'm looking at you). They actually revert/180-powerslide better than Spitfire 99a, which is interesting. Really fun to spin around on. I was trying to master 360 powerslides on them, haha. Spent a lot of my time riding them doing that.

I've heard the technology behind the formula is relying on vibration for slide rather than slickness. Its really interesting... it has a unique slide because of that reliance on vibration. They also have a nice "Bones bark" to them too. A loud crisp wheel. Doesn't sound like a soft wheel at all.

The SSF 97a was too hard for me as someone who lives in a neighborhood that probably realistically warrants F4 97a wheels. For context, F4 99a barely get the job done here, so a harder wheel is a no-go for sure. Hardness aside, I was really impressed with the wheel. If you were to just look at it as a traditional 103a wheel, its a solid 103a wheel in every respect.

I could see whichever durometer ends up "feeling like 99a" could have real potential to become a serious F4 competitor. A wheel that feels like 99a but maintains speed over rough streets and rough spots? Seems pretty useful in a country that's a capitalist austerity hellhole with a crumbling infrastructure.

Take everything I say with a grain of salt since I only got to ride the most extreme end of the spectrum. I have no idea if any or all of the above will still be relevant to the 90a, 93a, and 95a... but I have a feeling either 93a or 95a could have potential to be that "sweet spot".

Sign me up for some 97a!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on May 08, 2022, 06:52:39 AM
Does anyone have a clue when these Bones wheels might be available? Living in the Northwest, I have been a big proponent of the 97a Spitfires - they unlock a number of spots for me that were otherwise unskateable, but I'm not brand loyalist, and if something works better, then you can sign me up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 08, 2022, 07:10:03 AM
Does anyone have a clue when these Bones wheels might be available? Living in the Northwest, I have been a big proponent of the 97a Spitfires - they unlock a number of spots for me that were otherwise unskateable, but I'm not brand loyalist, and if something works better, then you can sign me up.

From what I've heard, its going to be sometime this year... but I don't know anything beyond that.

I think from a business perspective it would probably make sense for them to release during the summer when everyone is skating the most, but who knows what logistics might get in the way of that.

Its also worth noting that the same formula will be used by Powell Peralta. I think they will be tackling the softer formulas 90a and 93a (like Andy Anderson skating the 93a on PP's Instagram) while Bones handles the 95a and 97a? So you might have to get a PP wheel to get a soft enough feeling wheel for your purposes.

Again, if 97a feels like 101-103a, the 95a might feel like 99-101a? If you want the type of smooth ride a 97a gives, that might not kick in until 93a. But I'm completely talking out of my ass. We will have to wait and see when people get their hands on the other duros.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 08, 2022, 10:56:24 AM
Back in the stone-age when petro was the base for wheels, 97a were actually hard and slid great (the feel that is most associated with F4s); beyond 85s you had 95a or 97a as your 'hard' wheels. It'd be great if this 97a acts like a 101+, and slides well/better than current 95/97a offergins...but you'd have to have something pretty damn special to topple the 99a spits for all terrain skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on May 08, 2022, 05:30:25 PM
I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 08, 2022, 05:46:52 PM
Yeah OG formula is surprisingly good in the streets. Spitfire did actually tweak it a couple of years ago. I found it still wears  quicker than F4 though. I think I still prefer the 97a F4 for a rugged terrain wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2022, 07:30:38 PM
The sfw manderson shape and duro was rad for rough ground.
I liked og formula, I stopped skating them when stfs came out because the bones lasted so much longer (without flat spots), but the stfs always felt like shit: hard plastic.
I’d try the original formula again.
I have some 97a f4s and they are great, outside of the skatepark.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 08, 2022, 07:42:18 PM
I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.


There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on May 08, 2022, 07:56:30 PM
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.

The curing time rings true. I remember the myth (or was it?) of putting the wheels in the freezer before using them. Definitely did that.
I have for sure been an unnecessary dick to some folks on here about breaking in trucks/bushings. I used to want to circumvent this process, swap bushings to some aftermarket’s straight away, and/or crank the bushings down. So I should have compassion. Never considered breaking in the wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on May 08, 2022, 10:45:09 PM
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.
I was just thinking about this. I’ve been riding some classic formula’s that are 3 years old, but saw little use until February. They’ve taken on a very pleasant potato hued patina and feel very similar to the 99 f4s I was riding last fall. In fact, they feel so nice I was half considering ordering the same wheel in f4 to compare.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 09, 2022, 02:02:44 AM
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.
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I was just thinking about this. I’ve been riding some classic formula’s that are 3 years old, but saw little use until February. They’ve taken on a very pleasant potato hued patina and feel very similar to the 99 f4s I was riding last fall. In fact, they feel so nice I was half considering ordering the same wheel in f4 to compare.


Not quite the image I was after, but you can easily see the difference between the old well used set and the new in plastic set (that is usually kept locked away in a dark place) with the older urethane compounds for Spitfire.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPuEOuslnNd/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on May 09, 2022, 06:29:26 AM
I bought some 57mm Bigheads in the classic formula a couple months ago and I fucking love them. I was very, very surprised by how much I took to them. I did skate these back in the day but I don't think it's a nostalgia thing, it was one set and that was like 18 years ago. 

I moved some stuff around and ended up with my F4s back on my main board and the whole session I just wanted the classic formula back.   Now that I know I can be happy with non-f4, I did pick up some SML wheels recently. Haven't skates those yet though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2022, 04:26:01 PM
I bought some 57mm Bigheads in the classic formula a couple months ago and I fucking love them. I was very, very surprised by how much I took to them. I did skate these back in the day but I don't think it's a nostalgia thing, it was one set and that was like 18 years ago. 

I moved some stuff around and ended up with my F4s back on my main board and the whole session I just wanted the classic formula back.   Now that I know I can be happy with non-f4, I did pick up some SML wheels recently. Haven't skates those yet though.

Are the .smls the AG formula? I really want to give them a go (or just get some OG classics); and not care about flatting them, just to get some nostalgia feel.

What I really want is an F1 feeling wheel...they screeched sooo goood...tempted to nab some hazards as aell.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on May 09, 2022, 05:05:21 PM
They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on May 09, 2022, 05:23:48 PM
Yeah SMLs are on my radar, would love a set of 49mms.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on May 09, 2022, 06:22:26 PM
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.
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I was just thinking about this. I’ve been riding some classic formula’s that are 3 years old, but saw little use until February. They’ve taken on a very pleasant potato hued patina and feel very similar to the 99 f4s I was riding last fall. In fact, they feel so nice I was half considering ordering the same wheel in f4 to compare.
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Not quite the image I was after, but you can easily see the difference between the old well used set and the new in plastic set (that is usually kept locked away in a dark place) with the older urethane compounds for Spitfire.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPuEOuslnNd/

I want to amend my earlier statement to say I don’t quite trust the grip on slick skatelite like I would F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 09, 2022, 06:47:06 PM
They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.

If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 10, 2022, 05:29:27 AM
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I have been skating some curbs on some not so smooth ground lately. I put on a new set of 53mm Spitfire OG Classics, in the non formula 4. Wow…they are great on this rough ground. Like, as in ‘I’ll probably skate non formula 4 spitfires from now on’ kind of great. I tried a set of F4s there to compare and they didnt handle the ground as well. Am I the only one who has ever noticed this? Maybe I got some mislabeled shit.
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There were two very distinct differences in people with regard to Spitfire wheels - one group who hated them and said they always flatspotted and the other group who loved them.

I was in the second group (and still have a lot of OG formula Spitfires on the go) but the main thing to note was the first few sessions or wear in period was the most important.  Straight from the factory bright white were always a bit softer and more likely to flatspot or wear faster than older more weathered (yellowed) wheels, so when I used to go places and shops would have the old stock often on clearance I would buy it all and be happier for it.  Once it had that cured and sometimes more than others yellowed look, those wheels were the best for hardness, longevity and minimal to no flatspots.  Sure I could still flatspot them if I tried hard enough, but they felt better to me than any other wheel I could get my hands on.

When Formula Four came out, it was a weird change, but I got used to it and that is what I have been on for the last however many years now, minimal to no issues, right out of the packet and perfect, so I hadn't really used the older Spitfires a whole lot on my normal boards, but they still go great on any other boards I am setting up and mixing / matching with when I do use them.
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I was just thinking about this. I’ve been riding some classic formula’s that are 3 years old, but saw little use until February. They’ve taken on a very pleasant potato hued patina and feel very similar to the 99 f4s I was riding last fall. In fact, they feel so nice I was half considering ordering the same wheel in f4 to compare.
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Not quite the image I was after, but you can easily see the difference between the old well used set and the new in plastic set (that is usually kept locked away in a dark place) with the older urethane compounds for Spitfire.



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I want to amend my earlier statement to say I don’t quite trust the grip on slick skatelite like I would F4.


My big old worn down (so wide contact patch) wheels were great on the wooden / skatelite surfaces I rode them on, but I think I prefer the softer wheels on those more than any normal 99, no matter how weathered or aged.

Sometimes it is better to be safe than sorry with these things, for myself especially.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on May 10, 2022, 06:48:03 AM
What's the verdict on the OJ Mini Juice wheels for someone looking for a small, soft cruiser wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MichaelJacksonsGhost on May 10, 2022, 08:51:13 AM
WRT the new bones formula discussion on the last page: a buddy of mine managed to get me a pair of the new Bones formula, 93a classic shaped wheels. I haven’t broken them all the way in yet (still have the ridges on the wheel), but I’ve probably put about 4-5 hours in them so far, at both a smooth skatepark and a crusty DIY. They definitely eat up the roughness while still managing to work as a pretty effective “trick wheel.” I could slide lip slides and tail slides on transition, with about the same feel as my spitfire 99s. That being said, tricks with any sort of pinch didn’t seem to work as well/got stuck a little. I think it has something to do with the way the wheel punches against the board? Mostly happened with feebles/smiths/crooks. All in all, though, I think they’re going to be a solid alternative to Spitfires 97 f4s, and NFG 95 formula.

No clue when these will be available.

I’m going to skate them some more today. I can post some pictures later if anyone’s interested
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on May 10, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.

We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 10, 2022, 10:59:44 AM
WRT the new bones formula discussion on the last page: a buddy of mine managed to get me a pair of the new Bones formula, 93a classic shaped wheels. I haven’t broken them all the way in yet (still have the ridges on the wheel), but I’ve probably put about 4-5 hours in them so far, at both a smooth skatepark and a crusty DIY. They definitely eat up the roughness while still managing to work as a pretty effective “trick wheel.” I could slide lip slides and tail slides on transition, with about the same feel as my spitfire 99s. That being said, tricks with any sort of pinch didn’t seem to work as well/got stuck a little. I think it has something to do with the way the wheel punches against the board? Mostly happened with feebles/smiths/crooks. All in all, though, I think they’re going to be a solid alternative to Spitfires 97 f4s, and NFG 95 formula.

No clue when these will be available.

I’m going to skate them some more today. I can post some pictures later if anyone’s interested

Makes sense given how they are claiming a different 'vibration frequency' (rolling) when pinched you are not getting the same vibrations as you would on the street since they are pushing against the board/locked into place.

Still, sounds like a fun 'real street' wheel and might open some crusty spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on May 12, 2022, 10:00:05 AM
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on May 12, 2022, 10:24:20 AM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.

Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 12, 2022, 02:43:51 PM
Got to try the new Bones/PP formula in 95a (I'll call it SSF). I definitely like these more than the 97a (which were too hard for me).

In terms of what they feel like:
SSF 97a = ~103a
SSF 95a  = ~101a
SSF 93a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 98-99a?)
SSF 90a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 95-96a?)

The SSF 95a are definitely slightly harder than F4 99a. The 95a is where it starts to become a bit more versatile for skating streets (unlike the 97a in my opinion). If I had to guess, the 93a is probably going to be the wheel that catches on as it will probably feel a lot more like a 99a.

All the good attributes of the 97a still apply to the 95a, except the wheel can handle a bit more crust. Still a very fast wheel on smooth streets. Still powerspins/reverts really nicely (with slightly more grip than the 97a). Super fun revert with a satisfying vibrating "bark" that is really addictive. You have to try them to feel what I'm talking about.

While F4s have the slide we all are familiar with, these new wheels have a more fun vibrating bark to them while reverting that feels smooth while still biting the ground with traction. The powerslide is still a bit hard to initiate though.

My main complaint about the 95a (and 97a) is that while they maintain speed on street SURFACES better than the hard wheels they mimic, they struggle with sidewalk cracks and foreign objects the same as a hard wheel. I think the 95a does a sufficient job with that stuff, but still not quite as good as F4 99a. F4 99a sort of "bounce" up cracks, while these "clack" up them.

I think the SSF 93a will be my wheel personally. I'm so excited to eventually try it. I'm a huge fan of Bones wheels, and I'm glad they are finally making some decent wheels again that are under 103a.

As an overview of the SSF 95a:

+ Feels exactly like a hard 100-101a wheel
+ Rides smooth streets fast like a hard Bones wheel
+ Maintains speed on rough SURFACES slightly better than a hard wheel
+ Grips better than a hard wheel, but can still powerslide
+ Does not slip out or lose traction during powerslides
+ Has a brilliant spin/revert that feels and sounds amazing
- Vibrates your feet on rough surfaces the same as a 100-101a wheel (again, it feels exactly like a hard durometer)
- Handles cracks/objects (rolling over things) the same as a hard wheel
- Takes more effort to initiate powerslides than I would like

I'm starting to learn to powerslide these a bit better. I feel like you can slide F4 99s and STF 103s with whatever form you want... these feel like you actually have to dig your heels in a bit and maybe widen your stance (proper form, I guess).

But yeah... Generally what I am trying to say is don't be scared off by the durometers that they list for the wheels, because they are essentially inaccurate to what they feel like. Its a bit of a mindfuck for finding the right durometer, but if we can figure out the general consensus on each durometer it will make things easier. I think these wheels will have a good following if they can get the right durometers in the right hands.

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OH also **major disclaimer**. The wheels I've been skating have been the Bones ATF shape (with the hard black hub core in the center). The actual release will NOT be hubbed, so they might feel pretty different from what I am describing. No idea if they will make them feel softer or what, but honestly feeling softer would probably benefit the 97a and 95a in my eyes.

Let me know if anyone has any questions about the 95a or 97a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 12, 2022, 02:49:12 PM
How are they for nose/tail/blunt/noseblunt slides on ledges compared to f4 99a?

I found the f4 97as to be great on rough concrete ledges but on metal coping they definitely stuck more
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 12, 2022, 03:05:54 PM
How are they for nose/tail/blunt/noseblunt slides on ledges compared to f4 99a?

I found the f4 97as to be great on rough concrete ledges but on metal coping they definitely stuck more

Haven't been able to skate anywhere with something to grind yet (and I can't blunt anyways, lol).

I've skated the F4 97a a ton, and those are definitely a bit more "sticky" than these. Its hard to estimate how they will grind based on sliding on road surfaces... if I had to GUESS, I bet the SSF 97a slide better compared to F4 97a (just a hunch). The SSF 95a also slide on the ground better than F4 97a for what its worth. Someone else would have to chime in for blunts.

I could see it being something weird with this formula like they bluntslide well with speed (if you are going fast enough for them to "vibrate") but maybe really stick at lower speeds. But I am talking COMPLETELY out of my ass.

Sorry I couldn't help.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 12, 2022, 03:11:17 PM
Zach Doelling skating the new 95a bones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_A_7Zap5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_A_7Zap5I)

He confirms it in the comments
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on May 12, 2022, 03:31:36 PM
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How are they for nose/tail/blunt/noseblunt slides on ledges compared to f4 99a?

I found the f4 97as to be great on rough concrete ledges but on metal coping they definitely stuck more
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Haven't been able to skate anywhere with something to grind yet (and I can't blunt anyways, lol).

I've skated the F4 97a a ton, and those are definitely a bit more "sticky" than these. Its hard to estimate how they will grind based on sliding on road surfaces... if I had to GUESS, I bet the SSF 97a slide better compared to F4 97a (just a hunch). The SSF 95a also slide on the ground better than F4 97a for what its worth. Someone else would have to chime in for blunts.

I could see it being something weird with this formula like they bluntslide well with speed (if you are going fast enough for them to "vibrate") but maybe really stick at lower speeds. But I am talking COMPLETELY out of my ass.

Sorry I couldn't help.

No worries thank you anyway. Sounds like it should be fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 12, 2022, 06:01:37 PM
Zach Doelling skating the new 95a bones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_A_7Zap5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28_A_7Zap5I)

He confirms it in the comments

Sounds like he is having some issues with nose/tail slides from what he is saying... its expected with this durometer... but its hard to say if its any better or worse than other wheels in that durometer range.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on May 12, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Got to try the new Bones/PP formula in 95a (I'll call it SSF). I definitely like these more than the 97a (which were too hard for me).

In terms of what they feel like:
SSF 97a = ~103a
SSF 95a  = ~101a
SSF 93a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 98-99a?)
SSF 90a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 95-96a?)

The SSF 95a are definitely slightly harder than F4 99a. The 95a is where it starts to become a bit more versatile for skating streets (unlike the 97a in my opinion). If I had to guess, the 93a is probably going to be the wheel that catches on as it will probably feel a lot more like a 99a.

All the good attributes of the 97a still apply to the 95a, except the wheel can handle a bit more crust. Still a very fast wheel on smooth streets. Still powerspins/reverts really nicely (with slightly more grip than the 97a). Super fun revert with a satisfying vibrating "bark" that is really addictive. You have to try them to feel what I'm talking about.

While F4s have the slide we all are familiar with, these new wheels have a more fun vibrating bark to them while reverting that feels smooth while still biting the ground with traction. The powerslide is still a bit hard to initiate though.

My main complaint about the 95a (and 97a) is that while they maintain speed on street SURFACES better than the hard wheels they mimic, they struggle with sidewalk cracks and foreign objects the same as a hard wheel. I think the 95a does a sufficient job with that stuff, but still not quite as good as F4 99a. F4 99a sort of "bounce" up cracks, while these "clack" up them.

I think the SSF 93a will be my wheel personally. I'm so excited to eventually try it. I'm a huge fan of Bones wheels, and I'm glad they are finally making some decent wheels again that are under 103a.

As an overview of the SSF 95a:

+ Feels exactly like a hard 100-101a wheel
+ Rides smooth streets fast like a hard Bones wheel
+ Maintains speed on rough SURFACES slightly better than a hard wheel
+ Grips better than a hard wheel, but can still powerslide
+ Does not slip out or lose traction during powerslides
+ Has a brilliant spin/revert that feels and sounds amazing
- Vibrates your feet on rough surfaces the same as a 100-101a wheel (again, it feels exactly like a hard durometer)
- Handles cracks/objects (rolling over things) the same as a hard wheel
- Takes more effort to initiate powerslides than I would like

I'm starting to learn to powerslide these a bit better. I feel like you can slide F4 99s and STF 103s with whatever form you want... these feel like you actually have to dig your heels in a bit and maybe widen your stance (proper form, I guess).

But yeah... Generally what I am trying to say is don't be scared off by the durometers that they list for the wheels, because they are essentially inaccurate to what they feel like. Its a bit of a mindfuck for finding the right durometer, but if we can figure out the general consensus on each durometer it will make things easier. I think these wheels will have a good following if they can get the right durometers in the right hands.

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OH also **major disclaimer**. The wheels I've been skating have been the Bones ATF shape (with the hard black hub core in the center). The actual release will NOT be hubbed, so they might feel pretty different from what I am describing. No idea if they will make them feel softer or what, but honestly feeling softer would probably benefit the 97a and 95a in my eyes.

Let me know if anyone has any questions about the 95a or 97a.


Have you got any word on if the shapes and sizes in this new line are gonna be the same as the current line up or if they're switching it up. I'd love for some more options in the 56-60mm range from Bones in this new line of wheels. A 58mm V5 in the 95a would be perfect.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on May 13, 2022, 08:49:45 AM
What if I told you wheels for a skateboard enthusiast is like a fine wine pairing. Some urethane improve vastly over new formulations through aging. Holding onto some for longer results in a mature wheel. But you have to skate them to really make them great. Like stirring a kettle.

Then you put them on your ground powered foot massager and go nuts outside because they feel so good. Collectors who skate know.

Also, some go bad. The savier version of some wheels are sad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ferraveemo on May 13, 2022, 10:49:58 AM
What if I told you wheels for a skateboard enthusiast is like a fine wine pairing. Some urethane improve vastly over new formulations through aging. Holding onto some for longer results in a mature wheel. But you have to skate them to really make them great. Like stirring a kettle.

Then you put them on your ground powered foot massager and go nuts outside because they feel so good. Collectors who skate know.

Also, some go bad. The savier version of some wheels are sad.

I have a set of Non-F4 OG Classics that started out as 60mm's and probably around 58-57'ish by now and they have yellowed and going on 2-2.5 years now. the ride also has gotten better on them as if they've hardened but still goes thru rough roads very smoothly. they also got a much louder bark on slides. it so nice that it's been able to do that and i try to savor them as much. Got another Set on ice!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 13, 2022, 11:14:35 AM
Have you got any word on if the shapes and sizes in this new line are gonna be the same as the current line up or if they're switching it up. I'd love for some more options in the 56-60mm range from Bones in this new line of wheels. A 58mm V5 in the 95a would be perfect.

From what I know it will be V1 and V4 shapes. Most likely in the 52-56mm range? Sounds like Powell Peralta branding on the 90a and 93a and Bones branding for the 95a and 97a.

That's literally all I know in terms of that stuff though. I don't even know if any of that stuff is set in stone.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on May 13, 2022, 11:28:52 AM
Got to try the new Bones/PP formula in 95a (I'll call it SSF). I definitely like these more than the 97a (which were too hard for me).

In terms of what they feel like:
SSF 97a = ~103a
SSF 95a  = ~101a
SSF 93a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 98-99a?)
SSF 90a = ???? (guessing they will feel like 95-96a?)

The SSF 95a are definitely slightly harder than F4 99a. The 95a is where it starts to become a bit more versatile for skating streets (unlike the 97a in my opinion). If I had to guess, the 93a is probably going to be the wheel that catches on as it will probably feel a lot more like a 99a.

All the good attributes of the 97a still apply to the 95a, except the wheel can handle a bit more crust. Still a very fast wheel on smooth streets. Still powerspins/reverts really nicely (with slightly more grip than the 97a). Super fun revert with a satisfying vibrating "bark" that is really addictive. You have to try them to feel what I'm talking about.

While F4s have the slide we all are familiar with, these new wheels have a more fun vibrating bark to them while reverting that feels smooth while still biting the ground with traction. The powerslide is still a bit hard to initiate though.

My main complaint about the 95a (and 97a) is that while they maintain speed on street SURFACES better than the hard wheels they mimic, they struggle with sidewalk cracks and foreign objects the same as a hard wheel. I think the 95a does a sufficient job with that stuff, but still not quite as good as F4 99a. F4 99a sort of "bounce" up cracks, while these "clack" up them.

I think the SSF 93a will be my wheel personally. I'm so excited to eventually try it. I'm a huge fan of Bones wheels, and I'm glad they are finally making some decent wheels again that are under 103a.

As an overview of the SSF 95a:

+ Feels exactly like a hard 100-101a wheel
+ Rides smooth streets fast like a hard Bones wheel
+ Maintains speed on rough SURFACES slightly better than a hard wheel
+ Grips better than a hard wheel, but can still powerslide
+ Does not slip out or lose traction during powerslides
+ Has a brilliant spin/revert that feels and sounds amazing
- Vibrates your feet on rough surfaces the same as a 100-101a wheel (again, it feels exactly like a hard durometer)
- Handles cracks/objects (rolling over things) the same as a hard wheel
- Takes more effort to initiate powerslides than I would like

I'm starting to learn to powerslide these a bit better. I feel like you can slide F4 99s and STF 103s with whatever form you want... these feel like you actually have to dig your heels in a bit and maybe widen your stance (proper form, I guess).

But yeah... Generally what I am trying to say is don't be scared off by the durometers that they list for the wheels, because they are essentially inaccurate to what they feel like. Its a bit of a mindfuck for finding the right durometer, but if we can figure out the general consensus on each durometer it will make things easier. I think these wheels will have a good following if they can get the right durometers in the right hands.

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OH also **major disclaimer**. The wheels I've been skating have been the Bones ATF shape (with the hard black hub core in the center). The actual release will NOT be hubbed, so they might feel pretty different from what I am describing. No idea if they will make them feel softer or what, but honestly feeling softer would probably benefit the 97a and 95a in my eyes.

Let me know if anyone has any questions about the 95a or 97a.

Oof.  Cores are a wild card. I’d totally love a cored wheel - like the rough rider shape with conical edges- but it definitely affects the feel. I think vibrations and feeling cracks could likely be due as much to the cores as the formula, and they may be even harder to powerslide without a core.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 13, 2022, 11:56:31 AM
Why get a 95a wheel if it feels and acts like a 99a?
Why skate a 97a if it’s basically a 101a?

What am I missing? Because it just sounds like the same shit but the duro number will change wrote on the wheel but will act the same.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 13, 2022, 01:16:13 PM
Why get a 95a wheel if it feels and acts like a 99a?
Why skate a 97a if it’s basically a 101a?

What am I missing? Because it just sounds like the same shit but the duro number will change wrote on the wheel but will act the same.

Its a subtle difference, for sure. It maintains speed on rough surfaces better than the duro it feels like.

So if it feels like a 101a wheel, when you hit those shitty streets it will still FEEL like a 101a wheel... BUT your speed won't grind to a halt like a 101a wheel.

So again, I was testing these on a really shitty street doing a 1:1 comparison between F4 99a and these new wheels. The road "feels" better on the F4 99a (because it absorbs the vibration better), but I was slowing down very quickly. I've got to push my ass off to get down the street. Meanwhile, the really hard SSF 97a wheels were vibrating like crazy. Despite being the type of road that turns your feet numb on 103a wheels... I wasn't grinding to a halt. I was able to push down the street easier than the F4 99. While tactile-wise it was unpleasant, the speed it was maintaining was better than the F4 99a.

In addition to that, these wheels killed the F4 99a on smooth streets. They felt like 103a wheels in terms of speed on smoother terrain.

Personally, the 97a were too hard for me, and the 95a are just on the brink of too hard for me... but my guess is the 93a is possibly going to be the F4 99a competitor, and the 90a might be on the brink between cruiser/trick wheel? No idea.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: braksabbath on May 13, 2022, 01:32:24 PM
Interested in hearing how they are on slippery wood/skatelite
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on May 13, 2022, 01:55:39 PM
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What if I told you wheels for a skateboard enthusiast is like a fine wine pairing. Some urethane improve vastly over new formulations through aging. Holding onto some for longer results in a mature wheel. But you have to skate them to really make them great. Like stirring a kettle.

Then you put them on your ground powered foot massager and go nuts outside because they feel so good. Collectors who skate know.

Also, some go bad. The savier version of some wheels are sad.
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I have a set of Non-F4 OG Classics that started out as 60mm's and probably around 58-57'ish by now and they have yellowed and going on 2-2.5 years now. the ride also has gotten better on them as if they've hardened but still goes thru rough roads very smoothly. they also got a much louder bark on slides. it so nice that it's been able to do that and i try to savor them as much. Got another Set on ice!
That's rad you have another set.

I had some Cardiels that sound like those wheels. When they started to look potato and yellowed a bit, they were the best non f4 spitfires I had skated. Started at 60mm, too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 14, 2022, 05:16:55 AM
@FuzzGNU oh okay I get it now. Thank you for explaining. Really curious about the 93a now but 95a don’t sound bad at all
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 18, 2022, 08:46:10 PM
Finally got to try the Bones/PP 95a in a slippery blacktop parking lot. Its a parking lot I've slipped out on F4 99a many times before.

Seemed to handle it better than my F4 99a. Grips a bit better in that regard. I didn't put it to any major tests like really powersliding hard, but for going around pretty fast and taking medium turns I wasn't having any problems. I had to leave fairly quickly so no major testing.

I do have to reiterate though, these things really struggle with pebbles more than F4 99a. I've gotten thrown forward off my board several times on these things. Again, its like a 101a wheel. I'm sure the softer duros are probably more suited for the areas I skate.

I actually should be getting my hands on some 90a and 93a soon. I'm really hoping those are a bit more of ATV wheels. I've been enjoying the formula aside from them being overly hard, so I've got high hopes for the 93a... but I have no idea what to expect from the 90a. I wonder if that's where the wheels start to feel a bit bouncy/cruisery.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yep yep on May 19, 2022, 10:13:54 AM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.
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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 19, 2022, 02:17:22 PM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.
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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on May 19, 2022, 07:23:29 PM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.
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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!

I've put in some time on my "thought they were AG but probably are OG" SMLs now and I really dig them!  Happy with the wheels, and not missing F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on May 20, 2022, 07:25:58 AM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.
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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!
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Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.

Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@Cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on May 20, 2022, 09:42:25 AM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.
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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!
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Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.
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Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!

This is 100% a spot on breakdown of our wheel formulas.

When I rode for Darkstar Wheels I loved the Duel Duros and we're hard to flat spot. When They started making boards I had to dip. Went to Bones and the STF's were the closes thing to the Darkstar's. After I got the boot from Bones I skated Spitfire classics and would flat spot them pretty easy in my heavy blunt slide days.

When we started Sml. I wanted high quality so we went with Aend (they're not the exact Darkstar formula but close). Eventually Austyn just wanted the Creative formula and thus the AG formula was born. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on May 20, 2022, 09:56:58 AM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.
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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!
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Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.
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Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!
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This is 100% a spot on breakdown of our wheel formulas.

When I rode for Darkstar Wheels I loved the Duel Duros and we're hard to flat spot. When They started making boards I had to dip. Went to Bones and the STF's were the closes thing to the Darkstar's. After I got the boot from Bones I skated Spitfire classics and would flat spot them pretty easy in my heavy blunt slide days.

When we started Sml. I wanted high quality so we went with Aend (they're not the exact Darkstar formula but close). Eventually Austyn just wanted the Creative formula and thus the AG formula was born.

You're a national treasure. Should have asked above but always wanted to know: who pours the 92a cruiser wheels?Haven't tried them yet but have been tempted as of late.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on May 20, 2022, 11:17:09 AM
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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You are correct, tho I've seen some still life wheels labeled as OG, so I've held off. FFS print AG/OG on the wheel so we know what we're getting...smi
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They are the AG, best I know.  From the Still Life series which I'm almost positive are AG. I do wish their wheels were labeled a little more clearly. Also just spent like 20 minutes rolling around earlier and they're gooooood.
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If it wasn't for a post from ages back about AG being (Austin G's) need for an OG spit feel, I'd have never known what the real difference is.
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We appreciate the support and feedback. The card stock in the back of the packaging is different for OG and AG. The AG has a quote from Austyn himself. That being said we should do a better job of identifying what they are and are looking into maybe a little round sticker with AG and OG so it's more clear.
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Looks like my set are OG them... Mine just had the "these wheels don't suck" card.  Oh well.
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From what I've heard the OG's feel line Bones/ old Darkstar and the AG's feel like Spits. I'm riding some OG's and love them!
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Could you or anybody give some examples what that really means? In the catalog it basically says:

OG: High quality, High rebound
AG: Less rebound, maximum slide. (Not high quality? lol)

I'm no wheel expert and I'm not even sure what rebound even really means in this case.
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Higher rebound means that when the urethane deforms, it returns to shape more quickly. The wheel has less give but is also less likely to flatspot.

The OGs are poured at Aend, who made Darkstar back when Darkstar was a legit and reputable wheel company. They're 99a, but due to the higher rebound formula they're harder to break into a slide (but are more flat spot resistant). The AGs are poured at Creative, who make Dialtone, Satori, Speedlab, Boardycakes, and a bunch of other small brands. They are more forgiving and have a better slide, but have more flatspot potential. For my money, they feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula.

@cliff has posted as much on here, but I can't find the quote. Sorry if I got anything wrong!
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This is 100% a spot on breakdown of our wheel formulas.

When I rode for Darkstar Wheels I loved the Duel Duros and we're hard to flat spot. When They started making boards I had to dip. Went to Bones and the STF's were the closes thing to the Darkstar's. After I got the boot from Bones I skated Spitfire classics and would flat spot them pretty easy in my heavy blunt slide days.

When we started Sml. I wanted high quality so we went with Aend (they're not the exact Darkstar formula but close). Eventually Austyn just wanted the Creative formula and thus the AG formula was born.
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You're a national treasure. Should have asked above but always wanted to know: who pours the 92a cruiser wheels?Haven't tried them yet but have been tempted as of late.

Thanks but I'm just a guy who loves this shit ha!

All cruisers are Aend urethane. They make a great cruiser and we've experimented a bit. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on May 21, 2022, 01:45:26 AM
What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 21, 2022, 05:41:13 AM
What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)


Even the Lil Smokies are proportionate, as in the smaller the diameter, the more narrow the width too, I think the 50mm are only 30 or 31 at most wide, so checking with local skate shops (in their left overs bin) or trying to deal with friends or others who have old worn down wider wheels might be a lot easier to get what you want.

That said I think besides Boardy Cakes, Prize Fighter Cutlery was another one that had small but wide wheels.  The three current options on their site were not that wide though.

I have a lot of smaller wider wheels, mainly Spitfire Conical Full 54mm 99 duro when new and am happy to share (in Brisbane, Australia) but there are so many people tossing good but small wheels all the time, if you are in the right place at the right time.


Just a sample:


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNzJryDlHbb/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: texasplant on May 21, 2022, 06:04:08 AM
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What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)
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Even the Lil Smokies are proportionate, as in the smaller the diameter, the more narrow the width too, I think the 50mm are only 30 or 31 at most wide, so checking with local skate shops (in their left overs bin) or trying to deal with friends or others who have old worn down wider wheels might be a lot easier to get what you want.

That said I think besides Boardy Cakes, Prize Fighter Cutlery was another one that had small but wide wheels.  The three current options on their site were not that wide though.

I have a lot of smaller wider wheels, mainly Spitfire Conical Full 54mm 99 duro when new and am happy to share (in Brisbane, Australia) but there are so many people tossing good but small wheels all the time, if you are in the right place at the right time.


Just a sample:


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNzJryDlHbb/

Thanks for the suggestions, they all look great… unfortunately I jumped the gun on the spitfires and bought them anyways. that tiny bit of width difference is okay, I’m moreso worried about having conical sides so it’ll keep me happy. The second hand ones I’m skating now just aren’t quite big enough to lock nicely on transition
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 21, 2022, 06:14:20 AM

Thanks for the suggestions, they all look great… unfortunately I jumped the gun on the spitfires and bought them anyways. that tiny bit of width difference is okay, I’m moreso worried about having conical sides so it’ll keep me happy. The second hand ones I’m skating now just aren’t quite big enough to lock nicely on transition


New wheels always feel nicer anyway.

I get you too with the lock in on transition.  I find newer wheels (or those machined ones in the middle board of that last lot) that are more rounded on the edge, no matter how wide, definitely lock in a lot better, even going as far as saying that slightly bigger wheels are easier even on my 2 ft mini ramp in my shed, with the smaller ones usually being best on curb or carpark session boards.  I guess I have a few too many setups though, so I have something specific for the ramp, something setup just for carpark curbs and something else for park and transition skating round here.  Not that I couldn't skate any of them on any terrain, but some things are nicer with specific setups.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: realbasedgod112 on May 23, 2022, 06:34:44 PM
What are the smallest, but widest wheels on the market? I just put on a friends old wheels for a bit of fun - Conical Fulls that are about 46mm and I didn’t realise how much I would love it. I know the boardycakes are out there but I kinda want to stay around 50ish because I still skate a lot of transition. Started in the mid 2000s but loving the early 90s setup with a football and ventures.

edit: I somehow missed the spitfire “lil smokies”. 50mm Conical Full. Please disregard the above (or not)
checking around facebook marketplace or whatever for old wheels could prove useful, as a lot of people sell their old worn down shit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 23, 2022, 09:50:02 PM
I gotta get to bed, so this is going to be short. I'll follow up tomorrow.

The past two days I've been skating the new formula PP/Bones wheels in 93a duro V6 shape 56mm.

I don't want to overhype these but... They are personally my favorite skate wheels I've ever ridden.

I was shocked to find out these 93a V6 actually break into powerslide EASIER than the 97a and 95a cored ATF shape I was skating. Whoever in this thread said "cores can be a wildcard" must be right, because I was not expecting these to be easier to slide than the harder duros. The cores had to be affecting things.

The best I can describe these wheels is its if Bones made Spitfire F4 99a's, but slightly better in almost every way. I'm sure they probably have some issues with grind friction, but I haven't been able to test them yet.

Really stoked about these. I hope the official release has them in V6 because these are amazing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 25, 2022, 12:02:14 PM
I gotta get to bed, so this is going to be short. I'll follow up tomorrow.

The past two days I've been skating the new formula PP/Bones wheels in 93a duro V6 shape 56mm.

I don't want to overhype these but... They are personally my favorite skate wheels I've ever ridden.

I was shocked to find out these 93a V6 actually break into powerslide EASIER than the 97a and 95a cored ATF shape I was skating. Whoever in this thread said "cores can be a wildcard" must be right, because I was not expecting these to be easier to slide than the harder duros. The cores had to be affecting things.

The best I can describe these wheels is its if Bones made Spitfire F4 99a's, but slightly better in almost every way. I'm sure they probably have some issues with grind friction, but I haven't been able to test them yet.

Really stoked about these. I hope the official release has them in V6 because these are amazing.

I need more please. You've sent me to wheel horny jail
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 25, 2022, 11:22:28 PM
I need more please. You've sent me to wheel horny jail

I'm sorry! Okay, I will give these a full review.

As I've said earlier in this thread, I had some issues with the 97a (and to a lesser extent 95a) which both had the hard core ATF hub. I have no idea which issues I had were related to the durometer being too hard, and which were related to the hub. However, I now suspect the power slide initiation issues must have been related to the hard inner hub. It may have caused those wheels to feel overly vibratey on rough streets too(?), but that could easily just be the durometer. There is a pretty big leap in vibration reduction from the 95a hubbed to these 93a unhubbed though, so I think the hub is probably to blame for the vibrations as well.

With that being said, these wheels basically solved all the issues I had with the 97a and 95a hubbed versions.

Bones/PP Experimental Formula 93a V6 56mm:

+ Feel like 99a or 98a. Not bouncy or muted feeling. Definitely a street skating trick wheel. Doesn't feel "heavy" or "delayed" doing tricks.
+ Vibrate less on rough surfaces and maintain speed on rough surfaces better than F4 99a.
+ Handle cracks/pebbles/twigs a bit better than F4 99.
+ Revert/spin better than F4.
+ Break into powerslide way better than the 97a/95a hubbed version, and are a bit more controllable once sliding than F4 99a.
+ Haven't slipped out yet while riding or sliding. They grip very well. Requires a bit more intentional action to initiate a powerslide but not an excessive amount. Large margin of error in terms of force you can apply for powerslides since they don't slip out as easily during slides.
+ Can break into powerslides even at low speeds.
+ V6 shape is better than Conical Full in my opinion. Deeper cut that goes all the way down to the bearing. Actually weighed 56mm CFs and these were ~10% lighter (~275g vs. ~305g)

+/- Has a slightly different slide feel than F4. They have about the same amount of friction overall. I personally prefer this slide, it just took a bit of adjustment to get used to the initiation. It feels like while F4 rely a bit more on being rubbery friction, these use vibration to regulate slides. It somehow feels like it slides easier once sliding but also more controlable during slides.
+/- About the same top speed as F4 99a, maybe these are a bit faster but its pretty close... but I've been swapping around bearings and such so I wasn't able to get a precise 1:1 comparison for this.

- Very slightly less groundfeel than F4 99a. Its subtle. That is part of the trade off for it handling rough roads better I guess. Its not very noticeable, but I've been doing 1:1 comparisons back to back so I can tell.
- Take slightly more effort to break into a powerslide than F4 99a. Its not a huge issue, I've already gotten used to it, and it makes up for it by being harder to slip out on.
- The hubbed 97a and 95a felt a bit faster than this duro... to be expected, but its worth mentioning because those other wheels were so fast.
- I've heard they are sticky for slides and pinched grinds. I haven't gotten to try myself, but could be a dealbreaker for some I'm sure if its bad enough. I have no idea to what extent... and if its something that you can get used to or not.

I honestly have got to give these a 9.5/10 for my purposes. These wheels are pretty fucking awesome and sort of a dream wheel for me.

I've got some of these in 90a on the backburner, but I honestly don't want to take these off my board to try them. I'll have to grab some new bearings so I can go back and forth between the two.

I'm also now curious about how those 95a would feel WITHOUT the hub... if they aren't as vibratey and initiate slides better, those could be a really solid wheel too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on May 26, 2022, 06:13:16 AM
You can just mail the 90a wheels to me for testing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fernando the skater on May 26, 2022, 09:52:47 AM
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Bones/PP Experimental Formula 93a V6 56mm:


I guess these are the wheels that && was going on about on his Instagram the other day. Softer, but slide easier. Sounds like a good combination.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 26, 2022, 10:40:11 AM
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Bones/PP Experimental Formula 93a V6 56mm:

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I guess these are the wheels that && was going on about on his Instagram the other day. Softer, but slide easier. Sounds like a good combination.

Yeah it is those. You can check earlier in the thread I've talked about the other ones I've tried.

From the sounds of it, it's that Soft Slide formula they've had on their downhill wheels, but retooled for harder duros?

They actually feel harder than their duro. Rough translation based on what I've skated (core might have affected things).

97a w/ core = ~103a
95a w/ core = ~101a
93a no core = 98-99a

If I had to guess the 90a probably will start feeling like a 95a cruisery wheel but with a nice slide. Haven't gotten to ride them yet though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 26, 2022, 10:40:47 AM
You can just mail the 90a wheels to me for testing.

PM'd you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 26, 2022, 04:34:34 PM
I just took the 93a to a parking lot that has given me trouble in the past. Slick blacktop with tons of rocks everywhere.

These things are shitkicking wheels. Its like the Spitfire 97a where it just shoots rocks away from you like a field goal kicker. I was actually laughing out loud while skating because of the amount of rocks it was shooting without really slowing down, where other wheels would send me fucking flying. Even at low speeds I was just rolling over rocks fine. I usually get tossed off my board by rocks and slip outs in this parking lot.

I also was wrecklessly skating TRYING to slip out to find their limit, and I couldn't get them to slip out. I was going full speed and powersliding, taking sharp turns... these things grip so much better than F4 99a. Even F4 97a slip out in this lot. That's going to be the closest thing I can give to a "indoor park" test.

I really hope I'm not overhyping these things for anyone. I'm sure people will find issues with grinding (again haven't been able to test myself)... but as far as everything else is concerned, these things are amazing.

I also skated another parking lot that is really rough and had to retrain myself to not have to push as many times at the spot as I usually do on F4 99a because these manage to maintain speed over the shitty lot better. There's also streets to and from spots where I usually pick up my board (except on F4 97a) and these tackle it like a champ.

I don't know what else to say. They're like if F4 97a slid amazingly, didn't feel bouncy/muted, and weren't as slow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 26, 2022, 05:15:18 PM
Damn I really want to try these. Especially in a v5 or v6. I think bones has better shapes than spitfire and the issues I have with bones it sounds like this fixes them.

Weird question are these still made in the US Like other bones wheels? It’s not a deal breaker. I just liked that about bones. And hoping it continued
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 26, 2022, 06:14:35 PM
Damn I really want to try these. Especially in a v5 or v6. I think bones has better shapes than spitfire and the issues I have with bones it sounds like this fixes them.

Weird question are these still made in the US Like other bones wheels? It’s not a deal breaker. I just liked that about bones. And hoping it continued


The last sets I got were still Made in USA, but who knows now.


I think the issue was having enough space to do everything as well as the volume of product that they could release in their existing location compared to having supply from additional woodshops in Mexico and China for their boards, from a while back, which freed up space and allowed them to keep going with things like wheels in the US.

Mini logo is all made in China, hence the price - great for a decent product - but the core Bones and Powell wheels still had that USA line on the wheel packaging, which others had also preferred.


So weird how they got seemingly caught up in the duro / colour thing to make wheels more like Spitfire, which then caused more people to go elsewhere, when they had the bright white wheel and a really good product for so many years, but I guess there will always be those who prefer Spitfire and those who prefer Bones for whatever reasons.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 26, 2022, 06:32:11 PM
Damn I really want to try these. Especially in a v5 or v6. I think bones has better shapes than spitfire and the issues I have with bones it sounds like this fixes them.

Weird question are these still made in the US Like other bones wheels? It’s not a deal breaker. I just liked that about bones. And hoping it continued

From what I've heard the 93a (and 90a) is going to be Powell Peralta branded, but Bones shapes. So get ready for some dragons and swords graphics lol. Hopefully the graphics come off easily.

I agree I think V6 is so much better than Conical Full. I really want to try OG Classics, but man I'm not sure if I want to go back to F4.

The most recent pair of Bones I have in package says made in USA. I think it's a graphic from the past year.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GT on May 26, 2022, 07:03:10 PM
167 pages is bit much.

Any brand makes smaller wheels that are under 99a?

I have 53 spits I think they are 97a, but could not find any other brand.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 26, 2022, 07:05:54 PM
167 pages is bit much.

Any brand makes smaller wheels that are under 99a?

I have 53 spits I think they are 97a, but could not find any other brand.

I’ve seen Keyframes and Coffee Cruisers in 52mm, but that’s about it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 26, 2022, 07:14:59 PM
167 pages is bit much.

Any brand makes smaller wheels that are under 99a?

I have 53 spits I think they are 97a, but could not find any other brand.


There are a lot of small cruiser wheels, eg 90 duro or less which are really soft, but are you after that soft or just a little bit, eg still a normal wheel only not as hard, such as more in the 92, 95 or 97 duro range?

Santa Cruz / Slimeball normal wheels come in lower duro and size, down to 52mm which are maybe the most common around.

Ricta clouds come in smaller sizes too, medium to soft duros.


I guess if you had roughly size and duro options, I could look for some more too.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on May 27, 2022, 04:53:34 AM
Love 97 spits for everything else, but 101 for speed and snap in smooth parks.... very curious about this PP formula

Don’t even really think there’s much bounce on 97 spits personally just a good 90’s(decade) feeling wheel... slides fine for me, all in on them now for crust wheel, adapted to Keyframes (def a bit bouncy) on street fine before... was just certain times they’d stick on ledges so switched it and not looked back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 28, 2022, 04:50:04 PM
OK finally got to skate the Bones/PP SSF 90a 54mm V6.

They definitely cross into the realm of feeling like cruiser wheels, but can still do tricks. I would definitely recommend the SSF 93a if you are purely trick skating. I've never owned anything softer than Spitfire F4 97a, but from my recollection these feel softer than those. These felt pillowy soft but still had some ground feel too which was nice. If I had to guess, these maybe feel like a traditional 94-95a wheel maybe? I'm just guessing.

The SSF 90a are a little bouncy (like the F4 97a) and are harder to slide and revert (which is to be expected) than hard wheels, just into the point of being annoying... but not bad at all for such a soft wheels. They slide better than F4 97a for sure.

They also have a bit of a smooth mushy slide? Doesn't have the bark that the harder wheels like the 93a-97a have. It actually felt like it kept slipping out a bit when sliding unlike the 93a which I couldn't get to slip out even once. I never fully slipped out, but I can definitely feel that it is a possibility.

I can't complain about them tackling rough terrain though. They were handling rough sidewalks and streets even better than the 93a (which already do a great job)... however the wheel was noticeably slower (again, all to be expected with a softer wheel). I actually rode up this fucked up crusty "ramp" thing that I hadn't even attempted to do with other wheels.

If you're looking for a cruiser wheel that slides, these things definitely slide and revert. I was able to do tricks on them just fine, but they ARE a bit sticky though.

I'm going to be honest... I'm not familiar enough with soft wheels to make a proper evaluation on them vs. other mainstays. I've skated Spitfire F4 97a, and those were okay. I would choose the SSF 93a as a bit of a "best of both worlds" hybrid of the best parts of the F4 99a and F4 97a. The SSF 90s are softer than the F4 97a, so its hard to compare the two, but obviously I would choose the SSF 90a if the SSF 93a wasn't cruisery enough. I would describe these as a cruiser wheel you can do tricks on and slide, and still have a little ground feel.

Overall from what I've tried:

97a hub/cored - I wouldn't recommend unless you skate super smooth terrain and like 103a wheels. Struggled with pebbles and sidewalk cracks even. Maybe they are better without the hub and not as hard feeling. Amazing revert, but struggled with powerslides? Very fast.

95a hub/cored - I would recommend to people who like hard wheels. They feel like 101a or so. They struggle with pebbles though. Amazing revert but struggled with powerslides? Almost as fast as the 97a.

I suspect a lot of the issues I had with the 97a and 95a have to be related to the core, because:

A) It makes no sense that the 93a and 90a would be better at powersliding than the 97a and 95a.

B) The 95a felt so much harder and vibratey than the 93a. It felt like there was a greater leap than 97a cored to 95a cored.


93a no core - My favorite wheel of all time. Feels like a 99a or a tad softer. Great slide, amazing grip. Tackles all the terrain you can throw at it, and kicks pebbles out of the way like crazy. I seriously think these things are going to be super popular.

90a no core - A soft cruiser wheel that can slide. Don't have much to compare it to. The 93a tackles rough stuff so well, that I would only choose these over those in purely transport situations.

If the 95a without the core is a bit softer and powerslides better, I could see that being a great wheel too if you don't need the the extreme crust tackling of the 93a... but having not tried the uncored version, I would just tell everyone to stick with the 93a V6.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on May 28, 2022, 07:00:09 PM
I just took the 93a to a parking lot that has given me trouble in the past. Slick blacktop with tons of rocks everywhere.

These things are shitkicking wheels. Its like the Spitfire 97a where it just shoots rocks away from you like a field goal kicker. I was actually laughing out loud while skating because of the amount of rocks it was shooting without really slowing down, where other wheels would send me fucking flying. Even at low speeds I was just rolling over rocks fine. I usually get tossed off my board by rocks and slip outs in this parking lot.

I also was wrecklessly skating TRYING to slip out to find their limit, and I couldn't get them to slip out. I was going full speed and powersliding, taking sharp turns... these things grip so much better than F4 99a. Even F4 97a slip out in this lot. That's going to be the closest thing I can give to a "indoor park" test.

I really hope I'm not overhyping these things for anyone. I'm sure people will find issues with grinding (again haven't been able to test myself)... but as far as everything else is concerned, these things are amazing.

I also skated another parking lot that is really rough and had to retrain myself to not have to push as many times at the spot as I usually do on F4 99a because these manage to maintain speed over the shitty lot better. There's also streets to and from spots where I usually pick up my board (except on F4 97a) and these tackle it like a champ.

I don't know what else to say. They're like if F4 97a slid amazingly, didn't feel bouncy/muted, and weren't as slow.
I’m drooling over this review.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on May 28, 2022, 08:35:20 PM
Coming out with those durometers it’s going to end this stupid incessant need for something a bit softer and not so slippery!  Thank goodness…..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GT on May 28, 2022, 09:56:27 PM
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167 pages is bit much.

Any brand makes smaller wheels that are under 99a?

I have 53 spits I think they are 97a, but could not find any other brand.
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There are a lot of small cruiser wheels, eg 90 duro or less which are really soft, but are you after that soft or just a little bit, eg still a normal wheel only not as hard, such as more in the 92, 95 or 97 duro range?

Santa Cruz / Slimeball normal wheels come in lower duro and size, down to 52mm which are maybe the most common around.

Ricta clouds come in smaller sizes too, medium to soft duros.


I guess if you had roughly size and duro options, I could look for some more too.

Thanks man! Yea I'll go to the shop and see what's available. I don't think at 50,51 they make anything else but  99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 29, 2022, 04:38:29 PM
OK finally got to skate the Bones/PP SSF 90a 54mm V6.

They definitely cross into the realm of feeling like cruiser wheels, but can still do tricks. I would definitely recommend the SSF 93a if you are purely trick skating. I've never owned anything softer than Spitfire F4 97a, but from my recollection these feel softer than those. These felt pillowy soft but still had some ground feel too which was nice. If I had to guess, these maybe feel like a traditional 94-95a wheel maybe? I'm just guessing.

The SSF 90a are a little bouncy (like the F4 97a) and are harder to slide and revert (which is to be expected) than hard wheels, just into the point of being annoying... but not bad at all for such a soft wheels. They slide better than F4 97a for sure.

They also have a bit of a smooth mushy slide? Doesn't have the bark that the harder wheels like the 93a-97a have. It actually felt like it kept slipping out a bit when sliding unlike the 93a which I couldn't get to slip out even once. I never fully slipped out, but I can definitely feel that it is a possibility.

I can't complain about them tackling rough terrain though. They were handling rough sidewalks and streets even better than the 93a (which already do a great job)... however the wheel was noticeably slower (again, all to be expected with a softer wheel). I actually rode up this fucked up crusty "ramp" thing that I hadn't even attempted to do with other wheels.

If you're looking for a cruiser wheel that slides, these things definitely slide and revert. I was able to do tricks on them just fine, but they ARE a bit sticky though.

I'm going to be honest... I'm not familiar enough with soft wheels to make a proper evaluation on them vs. other mainstays. I've skated Spitfire F4 97a, and those were okay. I would choose the SSF 93a as a bit of a "best of both worlds" hybrid of the best parts of the F4 99a and F4 97a. The SSF 90s are softer than the F4 97a, so its hard to compare the two, but obviously I would choose the SSF 90a if the SSF 93a wasn't cruisery enough. I would describe these as a cruiser wheel you can do tricks on and slide, and still have a little ground feel.

Overall from what I've tried:

97a hub/cored - I wouldn't recommend unless you skate super smooth terrain and like 103a wheels. Struggled with pebbles and sidewalk cracks even. Maybe they are better without the hub and not as hard feeling. Amazing revert, but struggled with powerslides? Very fast.

95a hub/cored - I would recommend to people who like hard wheels. They feel like 101a or so. They struggle with pebbles though. Amazing revert but struggled with powerslides? Almost as fast as the 97a.

I suspect a lot of the issues I had with the 97a and 95a have to be related to the core, because:

A) It makes no sense that the 93a and 90a would be better at powersliding than the 97a and 95a.

B) The 95a felt so much harder and vibratey than the 93a. It felt like there was a greater leap than 97a cored to 95a cored.


93a no core - My favorite wheel of all time. Feels like a 99a or a tad softer. Great slide, amazing grip. Tackles all the terrain you can throw at it, and kicks pebbles out of the way like crazy. I seriously think these things are going to be super popular.

90a no core - A soft cruiser wheel that can slide. Don't have much to compare it to. The 93a tackles rough stuff so well, that I would only choose these over those in purely transport situations.

If the 95a without the core is a bit softer and powerslides better, I could see that being a great wheel too if you don't need the the extreme crust tackling of the 93a... but having not tried the uncored version, I would just tell everyone to stick with the 93a V6.

Great write up!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on May 29, 2022, 06:16:35 PM
the @ function doesn’t work for me...


fuzz gnu, got any photos of these wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 29, 2022, 08:27:30 PM
the @ function doesn’t work for me...


fuzz gnu, got any photos of these wheels?

Sure!

(https://i.imgur.com/tKWMuqz.jpg)
Left to right: 90a 54mm V6, 93a 56mm V6, 95a 54mm ATF hub, 97a 54mm ATF hub

(https://i.imgur.com/AONBjLE.jpg)
Left to right: 90a 54mm V6, 93a 56mm V6, 95a 54mm ATF hub, 97a 54mm ATF hub

(https://i.imgur.com/iW6ZlmN.jpg)
Left to right: 93a 56mm V6, 90a 54mm V6, 95a 54mm ATF hub, 97a 54mm ATF hub

(https://i.imgur.com/JTT14eV.jpg)
Left to right: 93a 56mm V6, 90a 54mm V6, 95a 54mm ATF hub, 97a 54mm ATF hub

Hard to tell but the ATF wheels are actually asymmetrical... they are sort of flat like a Lock-in/Tablet on the other side with the bearing closer to the surface, while on the radial side, the bearing is several milometers inset.

For real... the more I skate these 93mm V6, the more I'm impressed by them. They let me just skate without having to think about what surface I'm skating over.

I've been laughing this week thinking about how many of us are going to be skating some dorky ass dragon wheels because of how amazing these things are lol. Hopefully they also let Bones make some more tasteful graphics in 93a too.

Oh something I forgot to mention. I haven't gotten any of these to flat spot at all... but the 90a did chunk a tiny bit in the short time I was skating them (not pictured)... nothing major, and it wasn't on the edge so not an issue. When I see wheels with chunk on the edge, it psychs me out. 93a haven't chunked at all though.

EDIT: actually I just noticed the 90a had multiple chunks from that session. I guess that is too be expected from that duro, but the 93a hasn't chunked at all and I've been skating them for hours daily.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 30, 2022, 03:40:40 AM



Seriously great effort with all of this!!!

I know I prefer Spitfire, but of all the Bones sets I have had and still have, some of the softer versions are the most comfortable of almost any brand wheel - super fast and not feeling like other slower softer wheels.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jimgrude on June 03, 2022, 04:06:54 PM
https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2022, 06:08:14 PM
Wonder which duro he's riding. I skate some rough spots so I'm in for a set of the 97s

https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Swimming on June 03, 2022, 06:18:43 PM
I was tryna get some wheels to bomb dirt hills or grass, and was wondering if any1 knew of what wheels would work best?

Sorry if this has already come up, but couldn't find it anywhere on here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on June 03, 2022, 07:05:45 PM
Anyone else want to skate other wheels besides Spitfire Formula 4s? I love the wheel because the urethane really is unparalleled, but i’m bored of them. Snot as a company is cool. So is dial tone. but I know the wheels would probably be worse. Decisions decisions…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 03, 2022, 07:17:51 PM
Anyone else want to skate other wheels besides Spitfire Formula 4s? I love the wheel because the urethane really is unparalleled, but i’m bored of them. Snot as a company is cool. So is dial tone. but I know the wheels would probably be worse. Decisions decisions…

I've been hyping them in this thread but the Bones/Powell wheels that are coming out soon are the best wheel I've skated. Specifically the 93a, it feels like 99a but handles any terrain you throw at it ... The other duros aren't as amazing from my experience, but the 93a is special.

For real Powell about to take over with those wheels in any city that's crusty.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2022, 07:21:24 PM
Anyone else want to skate other wheels besides Spitfire Formula 4s? I love the wheel because the urethane really is unparalleled, but i’m bored of them. Snot as a company is cool. So is dial tone. but I know the wheels would probably be worse. Decisions decisions…

I do all the time. BONES STF, Ricta, OJ Elite. Plenty of other options (especially if you want harder wheels); tough to beat the F4 101a slide tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on June 03, 2022, 07:22:32 PM
Anyone else want to skate other wheels besides Spitfire Formula 4s? I love the wheel because the urethane really is unparalleled, but i’m bored of them. Snot as a company is cool. So is dial tone. but I know the wheels would probably be worse. Decisions decisions…

i enjoy nfg/loophole personally, if you wanted another company to throw on the decision pile. had good & fun experiences on the v-cuts and square shapes. and as always ymmv
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 03, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
Wonder which duro he's riding. I skate some rough spots so I'm in for a set of the 97s

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I have a big summary in this thread of all the duros in this formula that I've skated.... If you're skating crust, get the 93a... The 97a with a core in this formula are way too hard for crust from my experience. Like skating a 103a.

93a is the sweet spot... I have a feeling they are going to shoot themselves in the foot by even offering the 97a because obviously people will think that's the duro they should be skating. Only bad marketing will keep the 93a from taking off imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 03, 2022, 08:28:34 PM
Someone was asking about softer small wheels - Boardycakes has 43.5mm 97a.

https://www.boardycakes.com/product/boardy-cakes-43-1-2mm-97a-jr-gutterballs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on June 03, 2022, 09:11:03 PM
Tried a friend's board who had the new formula snot wheels. They slide way, way more than the old formula and have a totally different, higher-pitched bark.

so anyone else skate the new snot formula before i bite the bullet and try them anyway?

edit: got em anyway
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 04, 2022, 05:41:37 PM
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Wonder which duro he's riding. I skate some rough spots so I'm in for a set of the 97s

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https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4
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I have a big summary in this thread of all the duros in this formula that I've skated.... If you're skating crust, get the 93a... The 97a with a core in this formula are way too hard for crust from my experience. Like skating a 103a.

93a is the sweet spot... I have a feeling they are going to shoot themselves in the foot by even offering the 97a because obviously people will think that's the duro they should be skating. Only bad marketing will keep the 93a from taking off imo.

Rough isn't crust to me, so the (95a?) 97a is going to be what I'm after.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 04, 2022, 06:34:15 PM
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Wonder which duro he's riding. I skate some rough spots so I'm in for a set of the 97s

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https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4
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I have a big summary in this thread of all the duros in this formula that I've skated.... If you're skating crust, get the 93a... The 97a with a core in this formula are way too hard for crust from my experience. Like skating a 103a.

93a is the sweet spot... I have a feeling they are going to shoot themselves in the foot by even offering the 97a because obviously people will think that's the duro they should be skating. Only bad marketing will keep the 93a from taking off imo.
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Rough isn't crust to me, so the (95a?) 97a is going to be what I'm after.


I posted about it earlier in this thread, but to reiterate...

From what I know, the cored versions might have just been a test and probably won't be officially released? I wish I got to try the non-cored versions of 97a and 95a.

The 97a (cored) felt like 103a and was awful for any sort of difficult terrain like cracks (even sidewalk cracks), twigs, pebbles, etc. The most vibratey wheel I've ever ridden. I wouldn't recommend these except for park skating. They were very very fast. Amazing revert... so fun to revert and spin around on. Even without the core, I suspect they will be a very niche wheel. Maybe like a STF 103a but with better grip? They maintained speed over rough ground better though, which was interesting... but still vibrated your feet to hell.

The 95a (cored) felt like a 101a and were so close to being a great wheel... I suspect the core was sabotaging the wheel... they were very vibratey and I constantly got ejected by even small pebbles. I bet without the core these would be worth checking out. They were still very fast. Still had a really fun revert. I can recommend this wheel if you know for sure you're not going to be dealing with pebbles and such. I suspect it will deal with that stuff better without the core though? But I have no way of knowing. A good wheel for what it is, but the 93a without a core is so amazing, that I would err on the side of caution and recommend that instead to 90% of people until I know for sure.

The 93a (no core) felt like a 98a/99a is my favorite wheel of all time, hands down. Its like the best aspects of the F4 99a and the F4 97a all in one wheel. AND it grips better than both of them. I actually like the slide/revert on these better than F4 99a. Seriously these things are amazing. My only major complaint is that the slide takes a bit more to initiate than F4 99a. All the other positives are worth that trade off. I've also heard they might struggle with grind/slides, but I haven't gotten to verify so that is worth noting.

90a (no core) is a cruiser wheel essentially. It slides well for a cruiser wheel, but honestly the 93a tackles terrain good enough that I don't think I would ever want to use the 90a. The 93a is really THAT good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 08, 2022, 01:32:25 AM
https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4

I finally got around to watching this video... trying to figure out which duro he is skating. He said the wheels are quiet so I don't think its the harder ones.

The 97a (with core) were the loudest wheels I've ever skated... actually a bit too loud, but it was fun for slides. The 95a (with core) were fairly loud, but in a good way... reminded me of Bones 103a with a typical "Bones bark".

The 93a are a bit quieter and sound similar to a F4 99a in volume. Not too quiet, just a standard wheel volume. Meanwhile the 90a are almost silent when sliding, which threw me off.

He also said you can feel with your fingers that they are a bit softer... The 93a its softer to the touch but in a subtle way, the 90a is very obviously soft to the touch.

Those two factors are making me lean towards he is possibly skating the 90a (which feel like a cruiser wheel to me) in this video but its hard to tell.

I think the 90a are a bit overkill for street skating, and would just recommend 93a. However, the 90a wheels could probably unlock some absolutely unskateable spots. As he said in the video, it would have to be another wheel "in your quiver" because you probably don't want to skate the 90a normally. However, the 93a is absolutely an "every day" wheel. They work well for park, street, transport and feel unmistakably like a harder wheel.

The one thing I haven't gotten to try is grinds. The fact that he didn't have any problems with grinds (possibly even on the 90a which slide worse than the 93a!) is crazy. If that's true, these things are going to be a bigger leap forward for wheels than the STF/F4 were by a mile.

The thing he said that I don't know if I've underscored enough... these things slide well AND grip well. It seems like that is contradictory, but its true. I haven't slipped out a single time on the 93a and I've been skating these things hardcore for about 3 weeks now. I also haven't gotten bucked by a rock a single time either. He said the wheels turned a really slippery park into a normal slightly slippery park. I had the exact same experience with these turning a really slick blacktop parking lot into just a normal easy to slide parking lot.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record but seriously, these 93a are like a dream wheel to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on June 08, 2022, 06:25:58 AM
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I finally got around to watching this video... trying to figure out which duro he is skating. He said the wheels are quiet so I don't think its the harder ones.

The 97a (with core) were the loudest wheels I've ever skated... actually a bit too loud, but it was fun for slides. The 95a (with core) were fairly loud, but in a good way... reminded me of Bones 103a with a typical "Bones bark".

The 93a are a bit quieter and sound similar to a F4 99a in volume. Not too quiet, just a standard wheel volume. Meanwhile the 90a are almost silent when sliding, which threw me off.

He also said you can feel with your fingers that they are a bit softer... The 93a its softer to the touch but in a subtle way, the 90a is very obviously soft to the touch.

Those two factors are making me lean towards he is possibly skating the 90a (which feel like a cruiser wheel to me) in this video but its hard to tell.

I think the 90a are a bit overkill for street skating, and would just recommend 93a. However, the 90a wheels could probably unlock some absolutely unskateable spots. As he said in the video, it would have to be another wheel "in your quiver" because you probably don't want to skate the 90a normally. However, the 93a is absolutely an "every day" wheel. They work well for park, street, transport and feel unmistakably like a harder wheel.

The one thing I haven't gotten to try is grinds. The fact that he didn't have any problems with grinds (possibly even on the 90a which slide worse than the 93a!) is crazy. If that's true, these things are going to be a bigger leap forward for wheels than the STF/F4 were by a mile.

The thing he said that I don't know if I've underscored enough... these things slide well AND grip well. It seems like that is contradictory, but its true. I haven't slipped out a single time on the 93a and I've been skating these things hardcore for about 3 weeks now. I also haven't gotten bucked by a rock a single time either. He said the wheels turned a really slippery park into a normal slightly slippery park. I had the exact same experience with these turning a really slick blacktop parking lot into just a normal easy to slide parking lot.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record but seriously, these 93a are like a dream wheel to me.
You have sold me on the 93a. It’s crazy how long these have been in development for. The George Poulos video is from 2018, so at lease since then and probably longer.
Where did you get them from? I skated a rougher street spot yesterday and am really hyped to get a set of the 93s!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 08, 2022, 06:26:16 AM
These 93a Bones sound absolutely perfect for the crustiness of where I live, any idea when they'll be for sale? Can't wait to get my hands on them.  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 08, 2022, 10:09:02 AM
These 93a Bones sound absolutely perfect for the crustiness of where I live, any idea when they'll be for sale? Can't wait to get my hands on them.  ;D

It sounds like the final products are actually being produced now, so I would guess this summer? But I don't know.

In the video recently posted here, the wheels actually had a graphic on them (unlike mine) so that tells me those are probably the final product and it's just a matter of them having enough stock produced for a full release.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skateviewer on June 08, 2022, 10:49:24 AM
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These 93a Bones sound absolutely perfect for the crustiness of where I live, any idea when they'll be for sale? Can't wait to get my hands on them.  ;D
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It sounds like the final products are actually being produced now, so I would guess this summer? But I don't know.

In the video recently posted here, the wheels actually had a graphic on them (unlike mine) so that tells me those are probably the final product and it's just a matter of them having enough stock produced for a full release.

how heavy are they? the 97a spitfires were noticeably heavier than the 99s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 08, 2022, 11:13:03 AM
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These 93a Bones sound absolutely perfect for the crustiness of where I live, any idea when they'll be for sale? Can't wait to get my hands on them.  ;D
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It sounds like the final products are actually being produced now, so I would guess this summer? But I don't know.

In the video recently posted here, the wheels actually had a graphic on them (unlike mine) so that tells me those are probably the final product and it's just a matter of them having enough stock produced for a full release.
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how heavy are they? the 97a spitfires were noticeably heavier than the 99s

The 56 93a V6 are about 10% lighter than 56mm F4 99a Conical Full. I don't know if F4 97a were actually heavier or just "felt" heavier. I don't think a small durometer change really affects mass from the side by side measurements I've taken recently.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 08, 2022, 02:02:35 PM
I'm thinking of building up a mini Beach Bum when they drop next week- it's 8, 13.5, 30 or so. Any recs for wheels? Thinking something a tad softer than normal, preferably colored, maybe a nice radial-ish shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on June 08, 2022, 02:17:53 PM
Legit putting off buying new spits to try these new bones.

I’m hoping bones releases like an intended use for each hardness. Cause 93 sounds good but maybe 95 with out the core would be better idk. I’m so curious
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 08, 2022, 03:55:25 PM
I'm thinking of building up a mini Beach Bum when they drop next week- it's 8, 13.5, 30 or so. Any recs for wheels? Thinking something a tad softer than normal, preferably colored, maybe a nice radial-ish shape.

Probably softer than you're looking for, but I picked up some of the OJ Mini Juice wheels the other week and I can't believe how much fun I am having ripping around on the neighborhood on them. If you only want something in the ~90 range in colors, Mini Logo made some 90a wheels in fun colors. They discontinued them, but you might still be able to find them out there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on June 08, 2022, 06:28:16 PM
spitfire lock-ins are back in shops. 97 radial fulls on the way
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 10, 2022, 07:55:04 PM
@FuzzGNU

Excellent work above.

I have been skating Bones Rough Riders on my Dane 1 for a month now and recently I switched to Spitfire Classics 60mm F4 and they felt dry and slow. I think at this stage in my skating I am over 99a wheels.

The Rough Riders are the best wheels for cruising I ever had but they are a little too soft and clunky for a true old skool set-up. I am interested in the 90a or 93a wheels. The only issue is I like a wide contact patch. If you have the chance could you please measure the contact patch? Thanks ahead of time…

Also, for all of y’all, the sml succulent dream is a fantastic wheel and I might wind up buying a set of 56mm if the Bones wheels have a more narrow contact patch. The sml wheels are cut like Classic Fulls for comparison.

https://www.tactics.com/sml/succulent-cruisers-skateboard-wheels/sun-up-92a

I would buy the 95a Slimballs but I don’t trust OJ products anymore.

Any other 90a-95a wide wheels that people swear by?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 10, 2022, 09:38:59 PM
@FuzzGNU

Excellent work above.

I have been skating Bones Rough Riders on my Dane 1 for a month now and recently I switched to Spitfire Classics 60mm F4 and they felt dry and slow. I think at this stage in my skating I am over 99a wheels.

The Rough Riders are the best wheels for cruising I ever had but they are a little too soft and clunky for a true old skool set-up. I am interested in the 90a or 93a wheels. The only issue is I like a wide contact patch. If you have the chance could you please measure the contact patch? Thanks ahead of time…

The 93a are just the 56mm V6 Bones shape, 90a are the 54mm V6 Bones shape: https://bones.com/why/shapes/

56mm are 20.5mm to start, but of course will widen as you ride it down. Its the perfect width for me personally since I do street skating rather than cruising, but will definitely be narrower than the rough riders which are listed at 32mm and 33mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on June 10, 2022, 09:52:23 PM
@FuzzGNU

Excellent work above.

I have been skating Bones Rough Riders on my Dane 1 for a month now and recently I switched to Spitfire Classics 60mm F4 and they felt dry and slow. I think at this stage in my skating I am over 99a wheels.

The Rough Riders are the best wheels for cruising I ever had but they are a little too soft and clunky for a true old skool set-up. I am interested in the 90a or 93a wheels. The only issue is I like a wide contact patch. If you have the chance could you please measure the contact patch? Thanks ahead of time…

Also, for all of y’all, the sml succulent dream is a fantastic wheel and I might wind up buying a set of 56mm if the Bones wheels have a more narrow contact patch. The sml wheels are cut like Classic Fulls for comparison.

https://www.tactics.com/sml/succulent-cruisers-skateboard-wheels/sun-up-92a

I would buy the 95a Slimballs but I don’t trust OJ products anymore.

Any other 90a-95a wide wheels that people swear by?

i'm a broken record about this but nfg 95a are good times, specifically the vee's w/r/t you wanting a wide contact patch. that being said if 92a sml or the 93a bones are already what you are considering, then it might be a bit hard for this case.
it's a nice smooth ride on them though for what durometer they are. i think the contact patch is 26.5mm if you go by their chart & i measured mine with a less than accurate tape measure but it was around that so i imagine it's right.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 11, 2022, 06:28:36 AM
Thank you both.

I don’t think 95a is too hard with a wider contact patch. 

I was actually looking at the NFG 95a wheels when I saw the above post.

I think the Spitfire 58a full conical is the perfect wheel shape but I don’t think 97a is a big enough change from 99a to make it worthwhile buying.

I’m sure you guys change out your equipment more than me, but do you notice that F4 wheels get slower over time? Maybe all wheels do. They seem to become more clay like. I know that urethane hardens over time so maybe even though my wheels are still not flat spotted I need to change them every six months or so?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on June 11, 2022, 06:47:37 AM
If you want old-school, why not Rat-bones?
90a, still soft enough for shit concrete but WAY more durable than Roughriders.

Plus a wide contact patch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 11, 2022, 05:10:10 PM
If you want old-school, why not Rat-bones?
90a, still soft enough for shit concrete but WAY more durable than Roughriders.

Plus a wide contact patch.

That is an idea and I know you are a fan of Rat Bones and probably influenced me to get Rough Riders.

It may sound picky but I don’t like a hard edge on the inside wheel. I don’t like locking into coping or curbs.

I really like the cut on Slimeballs and that was the wheel I rode as a kid but I think their urethane is sub-par.

What about g-slides? They are harder and more narrow than rough riders. And they have that same hard core.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Monopolyman on June 12, 2022, 03:46:04 PM
Ordered some 57mm oski spitfire radials but 55mm wheels showed up instead.  Should I just run the 55’s, or trade at a shop?  Going through the process of the online return seems like such a hassle
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 12, 2022, 04:06:13 PM
Ordered some 57mm oski spitfire radials but 55mm wheels showed up instead.  Should I just run the 55’s, or trade at a shop?  Going through the process of the online return seems like such a hassle

Let the shop know you got the wrong size but will keep.

55mm is a good size. I had radials in 52mm and they felt good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Monopolyman on June 12, 2022, 04:58:09 PM
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Ordered some 57mm oski spitfire radials but 55mm wheels showed up instead.  Should I just run the 55’s, or trade at a shop?  Going through the process of the online return seems like such a hassle
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Let the shop know you got the wrong size but will keep.

55mm is a good size. I had radials in 52mm and they felt good.

Thanks, yeah, I’ll do that.  I’m leaning towards keeping.  It’s a ramp set up so I wanted to lean a little bigger, but 55mm’s on AF1 66’s could maybe keep me away from wheel bite better?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 12:26:10 PM
Got some Bones 93a prototype wheels and skated them for two brief sessions the other day. Didn't make a *great* impression, but the surface I was skating honestly seems tailor-made for an ultra hard 101a Spitfire F4. What I will say is that it is a noticeably soft wheel, like you can feel the softness with your finger, but it skates much better than one would expect from it. I just came off some newish F4 97a and my feeling is that this is a much better soft wheel than that. The Spitfires do a great job smoothing out the rough surface, but they have a mushy feeling and I found that they were terrible for slides. With the Bones wheels, they roll incredibly fast and smooth, they still slide (not great, but better) with a noticeable bark. Maybe they will get soggy with time, it's hard to say right now.

I wish I had got some of the 97a wheels. This is all speculation, but I think that this formula in a little harder durometer might be the sweet spot for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 13, 2022, 01:03:23 PM
Got some Bones 93a prototype wheels and skated them for two brief sessions the other day. Didn't make a *great* impression, but the surface I was skating honestly seems tailor-made for an ultra hard 101a Spitfire F4. What I will say is that it is a noticeably soft wheel, like you can feel the softness with your finger, but it skates much better than one would expect from it. I just came off some newish F4 97a and my feeling is that this is a much better soft wheel than that. The Spitfires do a great job smoothing out the rough surface, but they have a mushy feeling and I found that they were terrible for slides. With the Bones wheels, they roll incredibly fast and smooth, they still slide (not great, but better) with a noticeable bark. Maybe they will get soggy with time, it's hard to say right now.

I wish I had got some of the 97a wheels. This is all speculation, but I think that this formula in a little harder durometer might be the sweet spot for me.

Interesting. Good to hear more feedback. The f4 97s are pretty rad for real streets, pretty not rad for the courts, and/or parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 02:46:08 PM
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Got some Bones 93a prototype wheels and skated them for two brief sessions the other day. Didn't make a *great* impression, but the surface I was skating honestly seems tailor-made for an ultra hard 101a Spitfire F4. What I will say is that it is a noticeably soft wheel, like you can feel the softness with your finger, but it skates much better than one would expect from it. I just came off some newish F4 97a and my feeling is that this is a much better soft wheel than that. The Spitfires do a great job smoothing out the rough surface, but they have a mushy feeling and I found that they were terrible for slides. With the Bones wheels, they roll incredibly fast and smooth, they still slide (not great, but better) with a noticeable bark. Maybe they will get soggy with time, it's hard to say right now.

I wish I had got some of the 97a wheels. This is all speculation, but I think that this formula in a little harder durometer might be the sweet spot for me.
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Interesting. Good to hear more feedback. The f4 97s are pretty rad for real streets, pretty not rad for the courts, and/or parks.

Yeah, my first session was this. Excited to try them at a super crusty DIY or at my local curbs, but it has been too wet lately.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 13, 2022, 06:22:51 PM
Got some Bones 93a prototype wheels and skated them for two brief sessions the other day. Didn't make a *great* impression, but the surface I was skating honestly seems tailor-made for an ultra hard 101a Spitfire F4. What I will say is that it is a noticeably soft wheel, like you can feel the softness with your finger, but it skates much better than one would expect from it. I just came off some newish F4 97a and my feeling is that this is a much better soft wheel than that. The Spitfires do a great job smoothing out the rough surface, but they have a mushy feeling and I found that they were terrible for slides. With the Bones wheels, they roll incredibly fast and smooth, they still slide (not great, but better) with a noticeable bark. Maybe they will get soggy with time, it's hard to say right now.

I wish I had got some of the 97a wheels. This is all speculation, but I think that this formula in a little harder durometer might be the sweet spot for me.

Yeah to be clear these are a crust tackling wheel, but coming from F4 99a they don't feel much softer to me. Like a hypothetical F4 98a at the softest.

As I've said in the thread, I haven't gotten to try the non-cored version of the harder duros but the 97a cored was really really hard feeling which is why I can't speak to what the formula feels like normally.

I will definitely try the non-cored 95a in the future, but the 97a is probably going to be too rough for these Midwest streets.

Like I've said before, the slide will take some time to get used to. The 93a are harder to initiate slides but it's a blessing in disguise because that also means they never slip out. On top of that, the slide is super controllable and won't slip out so you can really lean into that initiation without fear of it losing traction (something many other sticky wheels I've tried have been really scary because of).

Keep skating them and just work on your power slide form. Wider stance, a bit lighter on feet to help the initiation, digging with your heel (or toe for BS), etc. Once I figured out my foot position and weight shifting with sliding these wheels, they ended up being my favorite slide because they let you be a bit more careless than other wheels without issue.

Like they're hardER to initiate slides (than Stf 103 or F4 99) but not "difficult" when compared to other wheels... Especially since they have that huuuge margin of error without slipping out. You can be a bit careless with your force and not worry which I like.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 13, 2022, 06:44:56 PM
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Got some Bones 93a prototype wheels and skated them for two brief sessions the other day. Didn't make a *great* impression, but the surface I was skating honestly seems tailor-made for an ultra hard 101a Spitfire F4. What I will say is that it is a noticeably soft wheel, like you can feel the softness with your finger, but it skates much better than one would expect from it. I just came off some newish F4 97a and my feeling is that this is a much better soft wheel than that. The Spitfires do a great job smoothing out the rough surface, but they have a mushy feeling and I found that they were terrible for slides. With the Bones wheels, they roll incredibly fast and smooth, they still slide (not great, but better) with a noticeable bark. Maybe they will get soggy with time, it's hard to say right now.

I wish I had got some of the 97a wheels. This is all speculation, but I think that this formula in a little harder durometer might be the sweet spot for me.
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Interesting. Good to hear more feedback. The f4 97s are pretty rad for real streets, pretty not rad for the courts, and/or parks.
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Yeah, my first session was this. Excited to try them at a super crusty DIY or at my local curbs, but it has been too wet lately.

Yeah that is where they will really shine. I still haven't gotten thrown off my board by a pebble yet while skating the 93a and it's been about a month now.

Obviously they're not going to be as amazing and fast on nice surfaces as my beloved STF 103... but its about comparable to F4 99 on good surfaces in my opinion. And WAY better if the good surface is slick and notorious for slip outs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on June 13, 2022, 07:13:11 PM
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If you want old-school, why not Rat-bones?
90a, still soft enough for shit concrete but WAY more durable than Roughriders.

Plus a wide contact patch.
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That is an idea and I know you are a fan of Rat Bones and probably influenced me to get Rough Riders.

It may sound picky but I don’t like a hard edge on the inside wheel. I don’t like locking into coping or curbs.

I really like the cut on Slimeballs and that was the wheel I rode as a kid but I think their urethane is sub-par.

What about g-slides? They are harder and more narrow than rough riders. And they have that same hard core.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Yeah, the sharp edge is the one main drawback of the wheel.
As for g-slides, I’ve never tried them. I have a kind of hybrid cruiser/downhill board with 80a? ATFs on it that i really enjoy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 13, 2022, 09:14:02 PM
LOL wtf... while looking at my bucket of old wheels I found a set of these (or something very similar, there is still a flake of the orange flame graphic still on one of them).

(http://www.skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/30_15586.jpg)

Apparently they're called "Spitfire Hardline Firelite Wheels"

They're kind of sick looking tbh, but I completely forgot about those. Ohhhhh the things we did to shave off grams of weight when we were kids.

I just measured these random blank CCS wheels I had and they were all the way down to ~44mm before I swapped them out, haha.

Next time I am able to I will have to go back and figure out all of the wheels I had.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 14, 2022, 12:04:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mFN6vFz.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/ee/f4/81eef4c9725ad3b076f519f3c6d1cee0.jpg)
(https://webringjustice.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/hubba01.jpg)

@FuzzGNU sent me Googling old Hubba ads, seeing pro skateboarders stand awkwardly next to models in a wheel ad is the best / worst thing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 14, 2022, 12:10:36 AM
Amazing... Can anyone else think of any blast from the past wheel bullshit?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 14, 2022, 12:16:30 AM
Amazing... Can anyone else think of any blast from the past wheel bullshit?

Aircores come to mind
(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b5ad6f63457d32a461e27f0246717328-lq)
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0516/as_skate_darkstar_458.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 14, 2022, 12:29:18 AM

Aircores come to mind


Damn, where are you finding all of these ads?!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 14, 2022, 12:33:43 AM
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Aircores come to mind

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Damn, where are you finding all of these ads?!

The 2000s? That was a fun time for skateboarding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 14, 2022, 04:23:19 AM

These definitely were a big old NO and went out of business, more 00s for you.


(http://skateandannoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/tread07.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 14, 2022, 08:21:19 AM
Anyone remember when Element made the featherlight bearings back in 2003? Can’t find a picture, but they were smaller than a dime and came with a plastic hub ring so that they would fit the standard size bearing seat. I believe they came packaged with the wheels pictured below. The wheels had hollow cores too. My buddy skated a set for maybe a week before trashing them. Obviously they didn’t revolutionize wheel and bearing technology.

*edit: If I remember correctly they also made this wheel with the tiny bearing seat so you didn’t need the adapter.

(https://images.the-house.com/element-featherlight-sktwheels-52mm-10-zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 08:26:22 AM
Anyone remember when Element made the featherlight bearings back in 2003? Can’t find a picture, but they were smaller than a dime and came with a plastic hub ring so that they would fit the standard size bearing seat. I believe they came packaged with the wheels pictured below. The wheels had hollow cores too. My buddy skated a set for maybe a week before trashing them. Obviously they didn’t revolutionize wheel and bearing technology.

*edit: If I remember correctly they also made this wheel with the tiny bearing seat so you didn’t need the adapter.

(https://images.the-house.com/element-featherlight-sktwheels-52mm-10-zoom.jpg)

I'm always saying that skateboard bearings are too heavy and last too long. Best to shave 5g and have bearings which you can ride for six weeks rather than three months!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 14, 2022, 08:27:31 AM

These definitely were a big old NO and went out of business, more 00s for you.


(http://skateandannoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/tread07.jpg)

I remember seeing these when I first started skating. Even as a beginner I could tell those were complete shit ha ha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on June 14, 2022, 08:43:55 AM
Amazing... Can anyone else think of any blast from the past wheel bullshit?


Big ass bearings.  Bullshit? Or legit?

(https://sm00thie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Wheel-Schematic-1024x682-1.png)

https://sm00thie.com/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 09:00:30 AM
A larger bearing will roll faster and wear more slowly, but ultimately, as with more or less all "gains" to be made with skateboard equipment, it doesn't matter because skaters hate new shit and everything in skating breaks almost immediately no matter what.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 14, 2022, 09:18:00 AM
A larger bearing will roll faster and wear more slowly, but ultimately, as with more or less all "gains" to be made with skateboard equipment, it doesn't matter because skaters hate new shit and everything in skating breaks almost immediately no matter what.

I would assume they would also accelerate slower. If bigger bearings were viable I bet the longboard crowd would be all over them. They aren't afraid of innovation. I believe bearings are already fast enough. Its durability that could use some work.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on June 14, 2022, 09:24:45 AM
I question the speed gains in a larger, but generic steel bearing vs a smaller, high-quality ceramic bearing.   Ceramic bearings are damn good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on June 14, 2022, 10:54:11 AM
Ricta air cores would shatter pretty quickly. My local shop had to send back almost every set sold. I don’t remember them being around for too long

Satori tried to make vegetable oil based wheels at one point around 2007/2008. I got an early sample set and they were pretty bad. They didn’t grip to the point that you could shoot out just turning too sharp skating down the road. They were also octagons by the end of the first session. They may have figured out how to make them better because they sold them a few months later
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on June 14, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
Another one from the past. My memory isn't the best, but that had to be some time between 2005 and 2010. Flip had these tricolored rasta wheels, they looked like this photo I found in the internet.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xqq83Ydz/Screenshot-20220614-203909-Samsung-Internet-2.jpg)

My homie had them. After a few weeks he was only riding on the yellow middle part of these wheels because the different colored sections literally fell off. It looked hella funny and dangerous.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 14, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
Another one from the past. My memory isn't the best, but that had to be some time between 2005 and 2010. Flip had these tricolored rasta wheels, they looked like this photo I found in the internet.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xqq83Ydz/Screenshot-20220614-203909-Samsung-Internet-2.jpg)

My homie had them. After a few weeks he was only riding on the yellow middle part of these wheels because the different colored sections literally fell off. It looked hella funny and dangerous.

I've always wondered about that type of stuff. I'm surprised multicolor wheels are back. I wonder if they finally figured out out. Seems like the solution is to have an ugly blended portion in the middle where the colors mix together.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on June 14, 2022, 12:02:13 PM
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Amazing... Can anyone else think of any blast from the past wheel bullshit?
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Big ass bearings.  Bullshit? Or legit?

(https://sm00thie.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Wheel-Schematic-1024x682-1.png)

https://sm00thie.com/

I have these on one of my setups right now. They're fine, not that remarkably different of an experience than normal bearings but if you're interested in switching it up and trying something new they may be worth your while. If you like NFG urethane you're in luck because their wheels are poured there, which I believe are the only wheels currently available that fit the bearings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 14, 2022, 12:20:41 PM
I mean the whole reason why Bones Super Six Swiss are supposedly better than Swiss is the larger ball bearings. I assume the larger the balls, the more dirt they can tolerate before needing cleaning? Or at least minimizing the effect that dirt has on the roll?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 14, 2022, 12:23:59 PM
I remember on the first Darkstar cored wheels the core was super hard and shiny and if you didn't ratchet down your axle nuts the bearing seat would slowly get worn larger and larger to the point where the bearing would move back and forth at will. My buddy had a set and left his axle nuts decently lose and if you rode his board the wheel and the bearings moved side to side. Somehow he learned switch tre flips off a bump gap on those. The final straw was we were bombing a hill and he went to power slide and the rear wheels literally came off the core.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 14, 2022, 01:38:57 PM
Wheel tech…
I had some of the spitfire firelites and had a session I still think about, 20 plus ish later. The 2nd best day I’ve ever had. Wild.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 01:56:40 PM
I mean the whole reason why Bones Super Six Swiss are supposedly better than Swiss is the larger ball bearings. I assume the larger the balls, the more dirt they can tolerate before needing cleaning? Or at least minimizing the effect that dirt has on the roll?

Yes, generally speaking, the larger the bearing, the lower the friction, and the greater the load capacity and overall strength.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 14, 2022, 06:06:52 PM
Since we're talking about bearings and ball sizes, I bought a set of these way back (mid 2000s) and they were surprisingly good.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rC0AAOSwoiFdkq-J/s-l400.jpg)

Got the ABEC 9 ones because why the fuck not.

Did hold up much better than the bearings of the time which were almost always ass. I'm looking at you Quik and Speed Demon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 14, 2022, 08:06:23 PM
LOL wtf... while looking at my bucket of old wheels I found a set of these (or something very similar, there is still a flake of the orange flame graphic still on one of them).

(http://www.skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/30_15586.jpg)

Apparently they're called "Spitfire Hardline Firelite Wheels"

They're kind of sick looking tbh, but I completely forgot about those. Ohhhhh the things we did to shave off grams of weight when we were kids.

I just measured these random blank CCS wheels I had and they were all the way down to ~44mm before I swapped them out, haha.

Next time I am able to I will have to go back and figure out all of the wheels I had.

Worst wheels ever, cores would pop out so fast.

Welcome Orbs got you covered tho.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHI-InJXqAsBKnZ4CHybw9m8MpbP9ZAseFC__94oSj63onNXLsQ_4SNNra_VmjDK9CqbOrU8-c8Mt0u1oBe5YQE5JxTt-_I4sxZE_K8YkiF4-7ahwBrzF1YQ&usqp=CAE)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 15, 2022, 12:03:55 PM
I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on June 15, 2022, 12:10:28 PM
Did you buy them from kam at the skate one forums?

I was really surprised when I went to those forums today and found a bunch of information that I hadn't seen on SLAP at all. Like the fact that they are or were selling the prototypes. And those RKP trucks are indeed a prototype truck that Powell is testing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 15, 2022, 01:19:21 PM
These new Bones wheels are starting to sound more and more intriguing. I'm curious if Spitfire is firing up a response in the 80a to 95a region?

be awhile before I purchase any wheels as I have a few F4 sets on ice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 15, 2022, 01:50:53 PM
I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.

Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on June 15, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.

I think I remember you using thunders…and 52 is such a sweet spot wheel size. If 52 are now viable for all around riding I’m gonna be hyped
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on June 15, 2022, 02:19:26 PM
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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.
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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.

Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 15, 2022, 02:25:23 PM
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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.
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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.
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Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets

Great. Thanks. Are they looking for feedback? I’ll sing their praises in the wheel thread to help get these to market.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2022, 06:57:05 PM
Did you buy them from kam at the skate one forums?

I was really surprised when I went to those forums today and found a bunch of information that I hadn't seen on SLAP at all. Like the fact that they are or were selling the prototypes. And those RKP trucks are indeed a prototype truck that Powell is testing.

There are other worlds than SLAP.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 15, 2022, 07:04:02 PM
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Tried a friend's board who had the new formula snot wheels. They slide way, way more than the old formula and have a totally different, higher-pitched bark.
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so anyone else skate the new snot formula before i bite the bullet and try them anyway?

edit: got em anyway

(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/w_914,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/MzExLTcxOTc4NjM5MDM0MDc6NDk4NzYwMTY5)

Picked up a set of the cored 52s. Still getting through the tread so I'm not sliding (based on prior exp with treaded wheels I won't slide until it's gone/wheel is broken in for fear of early flatspots). Fucking hate treads on wheels come on people...

Out of the gate they are much harder feeling than the first clear snots I had (felt like total shit/spongy, sticky team wheel), these are hard, rattle your teeth hard, and bark; with tread they remind me of the OJ Elite grip but a bit easier when pushed (like I said I wasn't pushing them to slide)...and right up there with them on hardness.

They don't feel like 'hard creative thane' either could be due to the core? But they have that Creative thane vibe ;) Shape-wise, they're like slightly thinner bones V1. Time will tell but I like them so far (and I'm not expecting an F4 slide).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 15, 2022, 07:33:22 PM
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Did you buy them from kam at the skate one forums?

I was really surprised when I went to those forums today and found a bunch of information that I hadn't seen on SLAP at all. Like the fact that they are or were selling the prototypes. And those RKP trucks are indeed a prototype truck that Powell is testing.
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There are other worlds than SLAP.

No, Slap is the only echo chamber I need TYVM
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 15, 2022, 08:00:22 PM
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Did you buy them from kam at the skate one forums?

I was really surprised when I went to those forums today and found a bunch of information that I hadn't seen on SLAP at all. Like the fact that they are or were selling the prototypes. And those RKP trucks are indeed a prototype truck that Powell is testing.
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There are other worlds than SLAP.

Those posts were by @backinaction and those RKP trucks have been talked about in the Truck Set-ups thread for two pages.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: igrindtwinkies on June 15, 2022, 08:04:04 PM
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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.
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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.
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Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets

I bought 5 sets of 56 mm 93 a's for 100.  He gave me an extra set of those plus 2 sets of cored 54 93a's and two sets of 52 mm 90 a's.  If I don't give any away, theyd probably last me the rest of my life.  I'm going to try them out this coming week on some crusty midwest spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 15, 2022, 09:06:58 PM
I bought 5 sets of 56 mm 93 a's for 100.  He gave me an extra set of those plus 2 sets of cored 54 93a's and two sets of 52 mm 90 a's.  If I don't give any away, theyd probably last me the rest of my life.  I'm going to try them out this coming week on some crusty midwest spots.

Damn, I should really do this too! I'm going to have to sell some of these extra wheels I have laying around first.

If anyone has any interest in buying any of these, I will put some of these on the classified board (or however people swap gear on here), I guess:

Brand New (in packaging):
Bones STF 103a - 54mm V4 (Wide aka Radial)
Spitfire F4 99a - 56mm Conical Full

Like New (a few light sessions):
Bones STF 99a - 55mm V5 (Sidecut aka Conical)

Lightly used (Manufacturing defect: 2 wheels wobble slightly, 1 wobbles noticeably):
Spitfire F4 99a - 56mm Radial Full Eternals (Worn down to 55mm)

Moderately used:
Spitfire F4 97a - 54mm Conical Full (Worn down to 52mm? Graphic still mostly intact)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on June 15, 2022, 09:41:08 PM
okay but how do the 93a bones slide on ledges and rails?
blunts, tails, crooks, things of those sorts
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 16, 2022, 11:05:26 AM
okay but how do the 93a bones slide on ledges and rails?
blunts, tails, crooks, things of those sorts

@off back a few pages:

https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4

Seems like they might be a just a tad stickier/slower than a 'regular' wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 16, 2022, 12:30:35 PM
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okay but how do the 93a bones slide on ledges and rails?
blunts, tails, crooks, things of those sorts
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@off back a few pages:

https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4

Seems like they might be a just a tad stickier/slower than a 'regular' wheel?

Yeah "regular" in quotes is exactly what I was thinking too. It seems like all these YouTube vloggers trying these say they usually skate 101-103a and mostly do smooth California park skating. I don't think prestine SoCal park/spot skaters are the people who will benefit from these.

It seems like I've heard 3 perspectives 1) they are fine 2) nose/tail slides are sticky but rest are fine 3) pinched grinds are sticky but rest are fine.

Again though, if this is coming from people who usually skate Bones 103a, then of course it's going to feel "stickier", so would F4 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 16, 2022, 05:01:57 PM
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Did you buy them from kam at the skate one forums?

I was really surprised when I went to those forums today and found a bunch of information that I hadn't seen on SLAP at all. Like the fact that they are or were selling the prototypes. And those RKP trucks are indeed a prototype truck that Powell is testing.
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There are other worlds than SLAP.

There's no other skate forum where a gossip thread about Tyshawn Jones turns into a conversation about cast iron within one page though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 16, 2022, 05:04:37 PM
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okay but how do the 93a bones slide on ledges and rails?
blunts, tails, crooks, things of those sorts
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@off back a few pages:

https://youtu.be/QOGlQIWXzk4

Seems like they might be a just a tad stickier/slower than a 'regular' wheel?
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Yeah "regular" in quotes is exactly what I was thinking too. It seems like all these YouTube vloggers trying these say they usually skate 101-103a and mostly do smooth California park skating. I don't think prestine SoCal park/spot skaters are the people who will benefit from these.

It seems like I've heard 3 perspectives 1) they are fine 2) nose/tail slides are sticky but rest are fine 3) pinched grinds are sticky but rest are fine.

Again though, if this is coming from people who usually skate Bones 103a, then of course it's going to feel "stickier", so would F4 99a.

Put me in the #3 camp. Sticky on pinch crooks but fine for everything else. I think it might be technique, too. And of course, going too slow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on June 16, 2022, 09:55:01 PM
I know this thread is now all about the new bones formula, I'm definitely ordering it to try but I just tried the new ricta crystal cores 95a which is ricta's attempt to make an all-terrain wheel and I think they very much succeeded at that. It feels harder than my spitfire tablets f4 99a and slides almost just as good but at the same time they eat cracks, rough ground and pebbles like a soft wheel would. They keep their speed on crust and feel super smooth in the park. Also, they drastically reduced the amount of pushing in the park compared to spitfire f4 99. I also have oj nomads and the rictas are definitely better than those. Anyone compared the new bones formula and rictas 95a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on June 16, 2022, 10:37:26 PM
Please stop quoting that thumbnail I can‘t browse this thread anymore.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 16, 2022, 10:49:56 PM
Please stop quoting that thumbnail I can‘t browse this thread anymore.

😯⚙️↙️
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 17, 2022, 06:41:42 AM
okay but how do the 93a bones slide on ledges and rails?
blunts, tails, crooks, things of those sorts

They slide fine, I did a bunch of front tails on a shitty rough ledge yesterday and a couple of lipslides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 21, 2022, 05:35:54 PM
I'm jumping on the new Bones hype train.

Asked for a set of the 93A, they tossed in a set of 90A as well.  Both of my sets are cored.

Tested em at my flat ground spot which has both a smooth concrete patio and crusty east coast asphalt.

The 90A set is definitely a little too soft for an everyday all around use but definitely wanna try them at the DIY which is very crusty. They roll very well even on smooth concrete but they FEEL soft. They powerslide better than you'd think they would. I could do backside 180 reverts pretty easily.

The 93A however are amazing for every day all surfaces so far. On the smooth concrete they rolled and felt very similar to F4 99A.  On the asphalt they felt more along the lines the 97A spits or maybe slightly harder NFG 95A. Not quite as cushioned ride wise but in how they held speed.  They felt equally as good on both surfaces and they powerslide and revert like a hard wheel.


Gonna test both of them at the DIY spot hopefully this week for some grinds and slides plus serious crust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on June 21, 2022, 06:08:09 PM
The 93A however are amazing for every day all surfaces so far. On the smooth concrete they rolled and felt very similar to F4 99A.  On the asphalt they felt more along the lines the 97A spits or maybe slightly harder NFG 95A. Not quite as cushioned ride wise but in how they held speed.  They felt equally as good on both surfaces and they powerslide and revert like a hard wheel.

finally the comparison i was waiting for! thanks for the write up
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 21, 2022, 06:29:36 PM
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The 93A however are amazing for every day all surfaces so far. On the smooth concrete they rolled and felt very similar to F4 99A.  On the asphalt they felt more along the lines the 97A spits or maybe slightly harder NFG 95A. Not quite as cushioned ride wise but in how they held speed.  They felt equally as good on both surfaces and they powerslide and revert like a hard wheel.
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finally the comparison i was waiting for! thanks for the write up

No problem I was surprised I hadn't heard any NFG comparisons yet honestly.

I don't have enough time on the 93A ones yet to know for sure if they will be my all the time wheel or if I will keep around a hard and a soft set and switch up.  Those NFG 95A are such a good crust wheel but I could never ride them at a smooth park. Early signs are I could run these 93A ones anywhere and not feel shorted.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 21, 2022, 07:05:48 PM
Yeah, your F4 comparisons are spot on (I haven't rode NFG myself though).

The 93a are definitely good enough for park. Like you said, I don't "feel shorted". They're the same as how F4 99a feels at parks, except they are able to prevent slip outs better.

Let me put it this way: they are basically normal F4 99a wheels, that make it so you don't need a second pair of wheels for crust or transportation. Which in turn... frees up you being able to have an optional set of some niche park-only wheels like STF 103a, or some SPF 84a if you want (for extra speed), but its not necessary. If you're fine with how fast 99a wheels are, then you will be fine with these. If you like having something harder than 99a at parks, then get a set of park wheels to go with these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 21, 2022, 07:22:50 PM
Yeah, your F4 comparisons are spot on (I haven't rode NFG myself though).

The 93a are definitely good enough for park. Like you said, I don't "feel shorted". They're the same as how F4 99a feels at parks, except they are able to prevent slip outs better.

Let me put it this way: they are basically normal F4 99a wheels, that make it so you don't need a second pair of wheels for crust or transportation. Which in turn... frees up you being able to have an optional set of some niche park-only wheels like STF 103a, or some SPF 84a if you want (for extra speed), but its not necessary. If you're fine with how fast 99a wheels are, then you will be fine with these. If you like having something harder than 99a at parks, then get a set of park wheels to go with these.

I don't think I'll have time to hit the park till next week but everything you've said in past posts has lined up directly with my experience so far.  So I'm expecting them to do feel great at the park. I like F4 99A at the local. 

These wheels are something special for sure.

Curious about the 95a version too, will probably grab a retail set. I have too many wheels as is now haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on June 21, 2022, 08:00:13 PM
So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on June 21, 2022, 09:27:25 PM
So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?

technically, right now - here's the thread people have mentioned too https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/4276/new-formula-new-hardness-90a-93a-95a

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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.
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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.
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Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 21, 2022, 09:35:32 PM
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So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?
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technically, right now - here's the thread people have mentioned too https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/4276/new-formula-new-hardness-90a-93a-95a

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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.
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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.
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Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets
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97a / 54mm are also available. Just have to ask.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on June 21, 2022, 11:05:18 PM
Kam sent me six sets of wheels via next day delivery. 90’s, 93’s, and 95’s. I got 52’s because that’s what I like to ride for hard wheels. Some are in that Bones white color, and the others are the natural urethane color. So far I’ve only tried the super white ones. I’m not sure if there’s a difference in feeling between the different urethane colors

On regular street ground they’re fast and can slide with a little effort. I could push through tailslides and noseslides, but they’ve been a little less forgiving if your technique isn’t perfect and you catch a wheel as you’re locking in. Sometimes they stopped sliding mid trick but I think that’s because I didn’t try to push through the whole slide

They don’t have that slow feeling that softer wheels usually have on super smooth ground. I thought the NFG crust formula felt a little slow, but they more than made up for it by still being skateable on shitty ground. I think I would choose the Bones if I had to make a choice between them. So far the 93’s are sort of close to what I was looking for in the formula. The 95’s could be the ticket though

It looks like some people have the opinion that they skate like a 99a. Maybe I’m a dipshit but they almost feel like a semi harder wheel being a better street skating version of a softer wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on June 22, 2022, 11:20:34 AM
I emailed the dude about the Bones wheels, here's what he said in case it's of interest to anyone else:

"I am out of the wheels in the new formula in V1 and V4 shapes in all sizes.  All I have left are the experimental wheels with hubs which will not be produced. We chose the regular non hub wheels for final production.

If you want to try those out I have:
52mm in 90A, 93A, and 95A.
54mm in 90A, 93A, 95A, and 97A.
56mm in 90A and 93A."

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 22, 2022, 01:32:00 PM
I got some of the 90, 93 and 95 with hubs and the 93 with no hubs.

90 hubs feel good rolling and are grippy. 93 hubs are surprisingly slippery (which I love) on black top but grip on brick and other surfaces, feel like a harder wheel in rolling. 95 hubs feel hard, are grippier than the 93 and feel like a harder wheel (maybe closer to 99).

The 93 with no hubs are my favorites. They feel softer than the 99 or 97 spots I’ve tried, and are slightly grippier than the 93 hubs, but break into a nice icy slide, much like 99 F4’s. These work fine on ledges for nose/tail slides and crooked grinds. Haven’t tried any bluntslide because there is only one place on earth I can get even close to anything blunt-wise and I have been there this week.

All the wheels feel as fast as the 99 F4’s I usually skate. So far, both the 93’s I’ve tried are fantastic though the hubs seem less versatile.

Will report back once I’ve put more time in on them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: notinternetfamous on June 22, 2022, 02:43:57 PM
excuse my ignorance

dafuq are wheels with hubs? they have cores??
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on June 22, 2022, 02:59:28 PM
I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on June 22, 2022, 03:05:51 PM
I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...

to be fair, these aren't officially on the market yet and i don't think they are releasing all of these different ones at the end of the day. more that they made a bunch of test product in different duro's and core/notcore to test things out and get feedback. but i do get what you're saying
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on June 22, 2022, 03:10:51 PM
Yeah, wheels with hubs are wheels with cores.

I've tried the 93A and 95A without the hubs/cores.

93A is the most versatile wheel I've personally come across.

I was tripping on some LSD recently and was gonna skate to the curb spot since there was no way I could drive. Had the dilemma of do I use soft wheels and have a limited session, or hard wheels have my teeth vibrate on the way to the spot. Put on the 93A's that day and holy fuck I felt like I'd discovered the best all-around wheel.

These things are easier to slide than the bones 99A, but they also grip when you need them to. They don't really make sense. They don't stick on crooks, tailslides, or noseslides either.

The drawback on the 93A I personally found was they were feeling slightly sluggish at the skatepark.

Then I tried the 95A's w/ no hub and found they handle crust just as well as the 93A. The 95A don't feel sluggish at all on smooth skatepark concrete. For me, these are the perfect wheel. No sticking on crooks, tailslides, noseslides and they slide easily. The 95A's are like the "I'm gonna throw these on my setup and skate wherever without worrying about changing my shit" kind of wheel.


The only downside to these were that the wheels came treaded, but it was easy to wear it down pretty quick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 22, 2022, 04:19:18 PM
Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yeahisaidit on June 22, 2022, 04:27:51 PM
Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?

I’ve had a couple cruiser wheels with hubs that the wheel fell off the hub. Probably not as likely on harder wheels but I just feel like it’s not having the mental block that it might happen where hubless has the advantage.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on June 22, 2022, 05:07:35 PM
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Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?
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I’ve had a couple cruiser wheels with hubs that the wheel fell off the hub. Probably not as likely on harder wheels but I just feel like it’s not having the mental block that it might happen where hubless has the advantage.

Powell does a lot of shear force testing to see how well the urethane bonds to the cores, I don’t think ripping off is a problem. But I imaging the harder cores means the vibrations travel more efficiently to the board, whereas a non-hubbed wheel might dampen it a bit more.

I’m ordering some 90a and 93as myself.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 22, 2022, 07:03:56 PM
I got some of the 90, 93 and 95 with hubs and the 93 with no hubs.

90 hubs feel good rolling and are grippy. 93 hubs are surprisingly slippery (which I love) on black top but grip on brick and other surfaces, feel like a harder wheel in rolling. 95 hubs feel hard, are grippier than the 93 and feel like a harder wheel (maybe closer to 99).

The 93 with no hubs are my favorites. They feel softer than the 99 or 97 spots I’ve tried, and are slightly grippier than the 93 hubs, but break into a nice icy slide, much like 99 F4’s. These work fine on ledges for nose/tail slides and crooked grinds. Haven’t tried any bluntslide because there is only one place on earth I can get even close to anything blunt-wise and I have been there this week.

All the wheels feel as fast as the 99 F4’s I usually skate. So far, both the 93’s I’ve tried are fantastic though the hubs seem less versatile.

Will report back once I’ve put more time in on them.

Thanks for sharing!

That hubbed and non hubbed comparison of the 93a gives me some hope for the unhubbed 95a... But I don't see myself switching off of the unhubbed 93a unless I move to a different part of the country.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 22, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...

I agree. I really think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot and burry the 93a with all of this extra saturation of product. People are going to spread the word of mouth "oh I tried that formula and they aren't very good" after trying the 97a... When that person should have bought 93a in the first place.

Trust me when I say the 93a are like the "thesis" of what this formula is about. It's essentially a wheel that feels like 99a wheel tackles rough stuff like a softer wheel would, but slides well. They don't give a fuck about pebbles or shitty roads. Everyone should start with those IMO. It's the definitive duro of the formula. A true all terrain wheel.

The 90a is a cruiser wheel, straight up. You can do tricks with them, but it's going to feel like a cruiser wheel that can slide. A pretty niche wheel.

The 95a and 97a (with the hub cores) just sort of seem like they "didn't understand the assignment". They vibrated like crazy like really really hard wheels... And really struggled with sidewalk cracks, sticks, pebbles. I think they will struggle with that less without the cores... They are really really fast wheels and maintain speed better than other really hard wheels... They grip pretty well... But they just feel a bit strange. They are REALLY fun to revert on... But feel a bit more gimmicky, while the 93a feels like a new evolution of wheels (without feeling too different from other wheels).

I hope that all makes sense.

Also yeah, I've always been trash at grinds, but especially now that I don't have a driveway with my own grindbox to practice on anymore. Sorry I haven't been able to help with describing the grinds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 22, 2022, 07:32:20 PM
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I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...
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I agree. I really think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot and burry the 93a with all of this extra saturation of product. People are going to spread the word of mouth "oh I tried that formula and they aren't very good" after trying the 97a... When that person should have bought 93a in the first place.

Trust me when I say the 93a are like the "thesis" of what this formula is about. It's essentially a wheel that feels like 99a wheel tackles rough stuff like a softer wheel would, but slides well. They don't give a fuck about pebbles or shitty roads. Everyone should start with those IMO. It's the definitive duro of the formula. A true all terrain wheel.

The 90a is a cruiser wheel, straight up. You can do tricks with them, but it's going to feel like a cruiser wheel that can slide. A pretty niche wheel.

The 95a and 97a (with the hub cores) just sort of seem like they "didn't understand the assignment". They vibrated like crazy like really really hard wheels... And really struggled with sidewalk cracks, sticks, pebbles. I think they will struggle with that less without the cores... They are really really fast wheels and maintain speed better than other really hard wheels... They grip pretty well... But they just feel a bit strange. They are REALLY fun to revert on... But feel a bit more gimmicky, while the 93a feels like a new evolution of wheels (without feeling too different from other wheels).

I hope that all makes sense.

Also yeah, I've always been trash at grinds, but especially now that I don't have a driveway with my own grindbox to practice on anymore. Sorry I haven't been able to help with describing the grinds.

Yeah I'm curious how they handle release and marketing.
Do they actually push them as 93A etc or do they say 93A/99A?

Because without really trying them or knowing about them you wouldn't know they feel +6 on the hardness scale when riding.

Most people will see 93A and immediately say that's way too soft.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skateviewer on June 23, 2022, 06:18:12 AM
personally i don't see any issue with the multiple formulas re:market confusion at this point. if you have to email and talk to someone at the company to even get the wheels (when they're in stock) that means they're still testing and may only move forward with the most enjoyed wheels from the range.

i was able to work out some shipping to canada with kam and although they aren't here yet i'm looking forward to trying the 93 as an only wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 23, 2022, 07:45:57 AM
excuse my ignorance

dafuq are wheels with hubs? they have cores??

Yup, cores
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on June 23, 2022, 07:58:17 AM
Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?

The main difference I noticed in the 93 hub vs no hub was that the hubs power slide maybe 20% more easily on black top than the non hubs, but grip like crazy on other surfaces like brick (oddly enough) whereas the non hubs slide nicely on black top, brick and other surfaces they should slide on. The shape is different too. The hub wheels are shaped like the Powell cruiser wheels (like the Gslides and the rough riders) and the non hubs are shaped more like normal street wheels (I guess fairly close to f4 conical full shape). The 93 hubs are also a brown urethane color whereas the non hub 93 are white.

Bear in mind that this is all from one day each of usage. I’ve noticed that some Powell wheels (specifically the g slides) lose all of their slide after a few sessions, so I’m not sure how these will feel in a week. Hope that helps some!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 23, 2022, 09:00:57 AM
personally i don't see any issue with the multiple formulas re:market confusion at this point. if you have to email and talk to someone at the company to even get the wheels (when they're in stock) that means they're still testing and may only move forward with the most enjoyed wheels from the range.

i was able to work out some shipping to canada with kam and although they aren't here yet i'm looking forward to trying the 93 as an only wheel.

Yeah, this is the smallest niche of the smallest niche market of hardcore skate nerds. No one outside of a handful of people will know about this. They’ll have && out there promoting the new wheels and all the 50+ year olds with Flight Decks are gonna snatch them up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2022, 09:52:51 AM
As someone who partakes in slappies, these wheels could open up a lot of new spots otherwise unskatable; let alone manuals and just regular skating.

Cored wheels these days are fine...Autobahn, Ricta, and now Snot...you get a mix of duros that can really tweak a wheels riding characteristics (hard wheel performance for tricks, softer wheel feel for uneven terrain and vice versa); you also get an even bearing seat (hopefully). I'm not discrediting anyone, but I wouldn't think that Hub vs. no Hub would have any characteristics on speed of slides (feel yes) but rather the urethane used.

Good on PP for taking the most liked versions and going forward to market with them and not pushing an agenda or whatever, good R&D.

I'm still in for a set of 97a as I always prefer the harder wheel feel and performance but wouldn't mind a reduced tooth chatter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 23, 2022, 11:05:18 AM
As someone who partakes in slappies, these wheels could open up a lot of new spots otherwise unskatable; let alone manuals and just regular skating.

Cored wheels these days are fine...Autobahn, Ricta, and now Snot...you get a mix of duros that can really tweak a wheels riding characteristics (hard wheel performance for tricks, softer wheel feel for uneven terrain and vice versa); you also get an even bearing seat (hopefully). I'm not discrediting anyone, but I wouldn't think that Hub vs. no Hub would have any characteristics on speed of slides (feel yes) but rather the urethane used.

Good on PP for taking the most liked versions and going forward to market with them and not pushing an agenda or whatever, good R&D.

I'm still in for a set of 97a as I always prefer the harder wheel feel and performance but wouldn't mind a reduced tooth chatter.

To be clear (at least from my ones with hubs) the 97 and 95 do NOT reduce teeth chatter. They have the same teeth chatter, but maintain more speed while you vibrate like crazy.

This is why I like the 93a... It does not shake you up (again, like about a 98a wheel in that regard). I could see the 95a without a core being alright... But if getting rid of that chatter is your goal, the 97a might be too hard for you?

The 97a (hub) had the teeth chatter of a 103a (maybe harder even, I didn't have a 1:1 comparison). Even pretty smooth ground rattled with those hubs at 97a. However they were fast as hell, gripped well, and maintained speed on rough road. But got absolutely fucked up by pebbles and sidewalk cracks.

Gotta hear what people say about those higher duros without hubs... But don't expect it to vibrate way less than the duro it "feels like". It vibrates like the "feels like" duro... But maintains speed l over that vibrating like like a softer wheel.

If you're in SoCal or something it might work, but if you're somewhere where 103a is too hard... maybe start with 95a no hubs, and go from there?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 23, 2022, 05:07:23 PM

The 93A however are amazing for every day all surfaces so far. On the smooth concrete they rolled and felt very similar to F4 99A.  On the asphalt they felt more along the lines the 97A spits or maybe slightly harder NFG 95A. Not quite as cushioned ride wise but in how they held speed.  They felt equally as good on both surfaces and they powerslide and revert like a hard wheel.

So want to amend or expand on this a little.

Took the 93A set to the DIY today as well as my set of NFG 95A for a direct comparison. The NFGs are their square shape, dunno Bones shape names for shit but it's essentially the same shape.

The Bones wheels were faster, held speed better, slid better all of this despite being 52mm vs 54mm on the NFG. There is a metal box there that when doing 50-50s you can feel softer wheels really grab even the NFGs.  The Bones wheels did not grab at all.

The NFGs definitely mellowed out the vibrations more on shitty ground so if that's your main concern the NFGs still feel better in that regard.  I wanna test the 90a Bones here soon as they may dampen the vibrations to the same level and perform better than the NFGs still.

Before this the NFGs were basically untouchable to me on this surface and are still excellent wheels.

Absolutely blown away by these wheels so far. Smooth concrete park review hopefully Monday
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2022, 06:04:11 PM
I like hard wheels, how they slide and sound. A hard wheel that still feels hard but will get me over the chunky is fine with me!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on June 23, 2022, 08:28:43 PM
Here's my Bones new formula essay, I'm not sure if all the test samples they send out are the same quality cause my experience is a bit different from the previous posts.

I got 4 sets: 3 sets of 52mm hub wheels (square shape kinda like tablets) and one set no hub V1 95a 54mm. So far I’ve tried 95a V1 54mm vs 95a hub 52mm vs 95a ricta crystal cores 53mm for a 95a comparison.

Bones 95a no hub feels primarily like a soft wheel but they have all the characteristics of a hard wheel like no bounce, fast speed, and a great slide, except they’re silent on smooth concrete to the extent that it was messing with my brain and i was expecting them to be sticky all the time which wasn’t the case but i had to fight my brain on that. They slide better than any wheel I’ve ever had and don’t stick on grinds. Hard to get used to them being so silent and smooth but the slide is phenomenal but again almost silent.

Bones 95a hub feels kind of like 99a f4 maybe a bit softer. Feels more like a normal wheel to me so I preferred that. BUT they slide worse than the no hub version, like noticeably both control and initiation are harder than even ricta 95a/f4 99a. Ricta are about as hard to initiate a slide as f4 99a but control is easier. So in terms of slideability, I would put them in this order: Bones 95a no hub => f4 99a/ricta 95a (these are close to a tie in my opinion) => bones hub 95a. I don't want to try these in the park because I know 4 sure they'll be sticky on grinds.

Speed: Both bones hub and no hub versions are faster than f4 on any surface but ricta is faster than all of them on smooth concrete. On crusty asphalt bones 95a no hub are super fast, pretty much like my ricta clouds 78a. Then goes the hub version and then ricta 95a. Ricta although way better than F4 still struggles with keeping speed on really crusty asphalt. F4 are worse on crusty asphalt than all the above

I’m not sure if I want to keep riding 95a hub version because of the inferior slide but I’m going to try 93a hub and see how it compares. If I’m able to get used to the silence of 95a no hub then I’ll keep riding those if it still keeps bugging me I’ll go back to ricta or try the 97a bones or ricta speedrings 95a.

Of all the wheels I mentioned ricta 95a are the loudest and hardest feeling wheels.

I had no issues with small rocks with all of them except f4 99a I only get ejected on those.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 23, 2022, 10:46:05 PM
Here's my Bones new formula essay, I'm not sure if all the test samples they send out are the same quality cause my experience is a bit different from the previous posts.

I got 4 sets: 3 sets of 52mm hub wheels (square shape kinda like tablets) and one set no hub V1 95a 54mm. So far I’ve tried 95a V1 54mm vs 95a hub 52mm vs 95a ricta crystal cores 53mm for a 95a comparison.

Bones 95a no hub feels primarily like a soft wheel but they have all the characteristics of a hard wheel like no bounce, fast speed, and a great slide, except they’re silent on smooth concrete to the extent that it was messing with my brain and i was expecting them to be sticky all the time which wasn’t the case but i had to fight my brain on that. They slide better than any wheel I’ve ever had and don’t stick on grinds. Hard to get used to them being so silent and smooth but the slide is phenomenal but again almost silent.

Bones 95a hub feels kind of like 99a f4 maybe a bit softer. Feels more like a normal wheel to me so I preferred that. BUT they slide worse than the no hub version, like noticeably both control and initiation are harder than even ricta 95a/f4 99a. Ricta are about as hard to initiate a slide as f4 99a but control is easier. So in terms of slideability, I would put them in this order: Bones 95a no hub => f4 99a/ricta 95a (these are close to a tie in my opinion) => bones hub 95a. I don't want to try these in the park because I know 4 sure they'll be sticky on grinds.

Speed: Both bones hub and no hub versions are faster than f4 on any surface but ricta is faster than all of them on smooth concrete. On crusty asphalt bones 95a no hub are super fast, pretty much like my ricta clouds 78a. Then goes the hub version and then ricta 95a. Ricta although way better than F4 still struggles with keeping speed on really crusty asphalt. F4 are worse on crusty asphalt than all the above

I’m not sure if I want to keep riding 95a hub version because of the inferior slide but I’m going to try 93a hub and see how it compares. If I’m able to get used to the silence of 95a no hub then I’ll keep riding those if it still keeps bugging me I’ll go back to ricta or try the 97a bones or ricta speedrings 95a.

Of all the wheels I mentioned ricta 95a are the loudest and hardest feeling wheels.

I had no issues with small rocks with all of them except f4 99a I only get ejected on those.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

I definitely had more problems with initiating power slides with the 97a hubbed and 95a hubbed than I did with the unhubbed 93a.

Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).

Glad to hear the 95a are still fast without the hub. I will definitely have to give those a try. If the 97a without the hub can handle rocks and cracks, that would be a fun wheel to try, because those things were really fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on June 24, 2022, 09:19:41 PM
Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).

I haven't tried 90a yet but I tried the 93a with a hub for a few minutes today, took them off, and put ricta back on, and right away it felt like home, like a normal hard wheel. 93a with a hub feels just a bit softer than 95a with a hub and slides worse. I think all of the new bones that I've tried are too soft of a feel for me to ride at a skatepark even though, the no hubs slide phenomenally well and don't stick, I'm just not a fan of how it feels to ride on smooth concrete. It works well on crust though. I want to still try 97a, maybe that one is the goldilocks wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 25, 2022, 09:08:01 AM
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Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).
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I haven't tried 90a yet but I tried the 93a with a hub for a few minutes today, took them off, and put ricta back on, and right away it felt like home, like a normal hard wheel. 93a with a hub feels just a bit softer than 95a with a hub and slides worse. I think all of the new bones that I've tried are too soft of a feel for me to ride at a skatepark even though, the no hubs slide phenomenally well and don't stick, I'm just not a fan of how it feels to ride on smooth concrete. It works well on crust though. I want to still try 97a, maybe that one is the goldilocks wheel.

I doubt the intended purpose of these wheels is smooth southern California skatepark concrete. These are for crust. I also don't see how a hub would impact how well a wheel slides with the same urethane, as the hub isn't making contact with the riding surface. The 93a with or without hubs feels the exact same for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on June 25, 2022, 09:44:39 AM
Maybe the quality of the pre-production samples is inconsistent. The 95a with no hub and the ones with a hub feel completely different to slide. I even messaged Kam to make sure it was the same formula, he said it was the same one. I'm from Miami and we have a fair share of crusty ground here, I'm trying to find a wheel that I will enjoy riding on any surface.... also we all have personal preferences, my ideal wheel would be a hard-feeling wheel that goes over cracks with ease and keeps its speed on crusty ground absorbing a little bit of the vibrations, and slides as well as f4 or better. I don't care for it to be super smooth. I like ricta cause it does most of this this but it doesn't keep the speed as well as bones 95a no hub on the crusty ground and doesn't slide as well (although it slides just fine). Bones 95a no hub is good on the street but feels too soft (for me) at the park (which I ride the most), but it doesn't mean it's bad, it works quite well. I think everyone needs to try these to make their own opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 25, 2022, 10:17:41 AM
Maybe the quality of the pre-production samples is inconsistent. The 95a with no hub and the ones with a hub feel completely different to slide. I even messaged Kam to make sure it was the same formula, he said it was the same one. I'm from Miami and we have a fair share of crusty ground here, I'm trying to find a wheel that I will enjoy riding on any surface.... also we all have personal preferences, my ideal wheel would be a hard-feeling wheel that goes over cracks with ease and keeps its speed on crusty ground absorbing a little bit of the vibrations, and slides as well as f4 or better. I don't care for it to be super smooth. I like ricta cause it does most of this this but it doesn't keep the speed as well as bones 95a no hub on the crusty ground and doesn't slide as well (although it slides just fine). Bones 95a no hub is good on the street but feels too soft (for me) at the park (which I ride the most), but it doesn't mean it's bad, it works quite well. I think everyone needs to try these to make their own opinion.

That’s something I haven’t considered. I didn’t mean to come off argumentative, but rereading my previous post, I kinda give that vibe. Apologies.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 25, 2022, 11:18:07 AM
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Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).
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I haven't tried 90a yet but I tried the 93a with a hub for a few minutes today, took them off, and put ricta back on, and right away it felt like home, like a normal hard wheel. 93a with a hub feels just a bit softer than 95a with a hub and slides worse. I think all of the new bones that I've tried are too soft of a feel for me to ride at a skatepark even though, the no hubs slide phenomenally well and don't stick, I'm just not a fan of how it feels to ride on smooth concrete. It works well on crust though. I want to still try 97a, maybe that one is the goldilocks wheel.
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I doubt the intended purpose of these wheels is smooth southern California skatepark concrete. These are for crust. I also don't see how a hub would impact how well a wheel slides with the same urethane, as the hub isn't making contact with the riding surface. The 93a with or without hubs feels the exact same for me.

It's because this formula relies on vibration for it's slides. The hard hub is somehow interfering with how the formula is supposed to to vibrate.

I'm not going to pretend I know the exact details... But it's clear as day that the hubs are interfering with the slide (especially initiation) on the harder durometers.

My understanding of physics involving vibrations is only limited to music. The different durometers are going to be vibrating at different frequencies (the harder wheels are more high pitched when they slide for example). The hub also has it's own physics properties and tendency to vibrate or not.

I could see somehow the way the hubs work (I know they are "bonded" to the wheel in some way) is that the hub is somehow preventing or cancelling out that vibration.

For example, how "active sound cancelling" headphones work is they use a microphone to play frequencies in your ears that are equal and opposite to the sounds around you: eliminating those frequencies.

The hub could also work something like a guitar capo and sort of restrict the vibrations from properly happening.

I could see that the hard hub sort of "digs" into the soft eurethane in a way that counteracts your power slide initiation attempts. It seems the biggest problem with the hubs is the slide initiation... So this last one could be a major issue.

I'm not going to pretend I know, but physics has so many variables, it's not outlandish that it might affect things in a negative way for our specific skateboarding purposes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on June 25, 2022, 11:55:44 AM
New gold wheels are pretty sick. Also looks like Ryan gallant and Marcus McBride are involved

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfPLMKmpgjD/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on June 25, 2022, 12:14:08 PM
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Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).
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I haven't tried 90a yet but I tried the 93a with a hub for a few minutes today, took them off, and put ricta back on, and right away it felt like home, like a normal hard wheel. 93a with a hub feels just a bit softer than 95a with a hub and slides worse. I think all of the new bones that I've tried are too soft of a feel for me to ride at a skatepark even though, the no hubs slide phenomenally well and don't stick, I'm just not a fan of how it feels to ride on smooth concrete. It works well on crust though. I want to still try 97a, maybe that one is the goldilocks wheel.
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I doubt the intended purpose of these wheels is smooth southern California skatepark concrete. These are for crust. I also don't see how a hub would impact how well a wheel slides with the same urethane, as the hub isn't making contact with the riding surface. The 93a with or without hubs feels the exact same for me.
hubs give the urethane more structure, it’s like a skeleton for the wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on June 25, 2022, 01:31:37 PM
I got an order of the new Bones and I'm in love with the 56mm 93a V6 without the hub. These things don't make sense to me, they roll over crappy ground better and faster than the 58mm 97a CF Spits I had before yet powerslide like my buddy's 103 STFs. Unlike most in this thread my local park is one of those glass smooth California parks (I'm in the Central Valley so amazing skatepark but shitty heat destroyed streets) and on the first session for the first 15-20 mins they felt a little slippery but broke in great. After a beer run midway through the sesh and wearing off some of that new wheel slickness, these things gripped amazing but break into the best slide I've ever felt (easy to initiate and extremely controllable). I do a lot of slappy's and ledge skating and had no issue with grinds or slides and actually found that they slide better than most traditional hard wheels. The last thing that really struck me was that my flatground just felt overall better somehow but I'll chalk that up to going from 58mm CF Spits to a smaller lighter wheel. Overall the 56mm V6 93s are my dream wheel and I'm excited to pick up a couple production sets when they come out.

*Little side note, I asked specifically for bigger wheels and got 2 free sets of hubbed prototypes, 56mm 90a and 56mm 93a. Real quick on those:

56mm 90a Hubbed-Smooth and fast cruiser wheels, ate bad ground like it was nothing but you have to put a lot into them to slide. If you like key frames, these are a faster+easier to slide equivalent.

56mm 93a Hubbed- I've only had 1 session on these but they feel very similar to the non hubbed version except because of the shape and weight they're not as fun for an everyday wheel, however they roll over crust even better than the V6 shape. Will be throwing these on a big shaped board as a fun secondary slappy/hill bombing set up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 25, 2022, 06:28:29 PM
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I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...
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I agree. I really think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot and burry the 93a with all of this extra saturation of product. People are going to spread the word of mouth "oh I tried that formula and they aren't very good" after trying the 97a... When that person should have bought 93a in the first place.

Trust me when I say the 93a are like the "thesis" of what this formula is about. It's essentially a wheel that feels like 99a wheel tackles rough stuff like a softer wheel would, but slides well. They don't give a fuck about pebbles or shitty roads. Everyone should start with those IMO. It's the definitive duro of the formula. A true all terrain wheel.

The 90a is a cruiser wheel, straight up. You can do tricks with them, but it's going to feel like a cruiser wheel that can slide. A pretty niche wheel.

The 95a and 97a (with the hub cores) just sort of seem like they "didn't understand the assignment". They vibrated like crazy like really really hard wheels... And really struggled with sidewalk cracks, sticks, pebbles. I think they will struggle with that less without the cores... They are really really fast wheels and maintain speed better than other really hard wheels... They grip pretty well... But they just feel a bit strange. They are REALLY fun to revert on... But feel a bit more gimmicky, while the 93a feels like a new evolution of wheels (without feeling too different from other wheels).

I hope that all makes sense.

Also yeah, I've always been trash at grinds, but especially now that I don't have a driveway with my own grindbox to practice on anymore. Sorry I haven't been able to help with describing the grinds.

Please don't take this as a dig.

You don't like the 97a (every post that mentions them you make call them out, and that's fine if they don't work for you), however, they might be the BEST wheel for a large minority based on market mindshare...i.e., hard wheels good, super soft wheels bad. They have an uphill battle with the 93a/95a especially with it being a new formula using a numerical scale people are USED to; I hardly skate 99s, it has to be real crusty for me to jump down to them, 101/103s 99.9999% of the time, hence why *I* am eyeing the 97a.

They ditched the HUB based on tester feedback. Perhaps they'll ditch one of the duros(?) or cut one/two from the 'Bones branding' (90a/93a and slap them on the powell side); they picked the odd duck duros for a reason: They are 'close enough' to what people expect them to be based on duro number (and perhaps they skate like they should, I don't know). Still, that many duros so close will be confusing, especially the 93/95...how different could 2 duro be (average person shopping for wheels mind you)? the average end user will never know they are very different (based on what you've written) or different enough to bother. If I wasn't a slapper, I'd go 95 over a 93.

Their biggest hurdal? Convincing people 93a is a good choice. Based on everything we know, 90a 'street' wheels suck ballz, so a 93a would also because it's so close numerically based on current scales in use....not sure what you can do...you can use Soft Medium and Hard like the do with bushings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 26, 2022, 07:18:15 AM
Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 26, 2022, 07:34:39 AM
Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.

I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do.  :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on June 26, 2022, 08:17:08 AM
When I emailed him it was I think cored only. But things could have changed. I’d love to get my hands on some 95a v6
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on June 26, 2022, 08:30:40 AM
It sounds dumb but what’s the noise like oh those wheels?  When you tap them is it dead sounding?  When you slide do they screech?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on June 26, 2022, 08:37:41 AM
It sounds dumb but what’s the noise like oh those wheels?  When you tap them is it dead sounding?  When you slide do they screech?

The 93a have a little give to them in hand but they bark loud when sliding. I've noticed that when rolling there isn't much noise but they don't feel like cruiser wheels at all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: in flux on June 26, 2022, 08:44:00 AM
Interested in a lock 93a no hub. but I'll prob stick with 99 F4 tablets
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 26, 2022, 05:36:58 PM
Went and skated some 52 90a Bones with the hubs. Usually I skate 99a f4s.

They’re definitely a soft cruiser wheel. The simplest way I’d describe it is a slightly harder keyframe that slides much much better. Haven’t had keyframes in a while but it felt kinda similar. They slide muchhhhh better though, in my book keyframes barely slide at all.

Skated one of my usual concrete ledge + curb spots, ground is a mix of semi smooth but grippy, chalky concrete and some weird rough concrete that powerslides well, then bombed an asphalt hill. They slide just fine on ledges, could hold nose/tail and even blunt slides on my usual ledge no problem. I imagine it might grip a bit more on metal coping though as softer wheels are more sensitive to gripping on that than on concrete ledges in my experience but I’m very impressed with how well they slide on this concrete ledge despite how soft it is. Also really easy to initiate power slides bombing hills and the slide feels nice and controlled despite being super quiet. I do think it gripped noticeably more than 99a f4s on crooked grinds etc and also pitch you harder if you wheelbite when landing.

They definitely have the slightly gummy, bouncy feeling and sound of a soft wheel though. So popping and landing does not feel anything like a hard wheel. While you definitely could skate these instead of a hard street wheel if you wanted to since they slide unlike almost every other cruiser wheel, unless the ground you’re skating is seriously fucked, I don’t see why you would because they still have the soft wheel feel that would throw most people off a bit when doing tricks. Though to be fair I don't skate anything rougher than slightly shitty asphalt or bricks, nothing that a 97a f4 couldn't handle with ease.

I definitely couldn't see myself adopting these on any main 'trick' setup despite skating rough ish street spots a fair amount. Basically the decrease in performance from rolling over shitty ground on say 99a f4s is not as significant as the decrease in performance from skating on these because they just feel really unusual to me. Thats definitely partially due to familiarity and conditioning but still...

Hard to judge speed, on really rough ground they’re obviously a lot smoother and hold speed better than really hard wheels but on smooth ish ground they’re probably not as good. I also ended up getting a piece of metal stuck in the wheel bombing a hill and so I guess they lasted a grand total of one session long so not sure about the durability. Willing to say it was just bad luck though

(https://i.imgur.com/XBhdk49.jpg)

That aside, I think these would be a great cruiser wheel if you got them in a 56mm or so. Basically a much much much more skateable, keyframe style, not super super soft, cruiser wheel. Or if you want a separate setup for really crusty spots. Don’t really have need for it right now but I could definitely see myself getting these as cruiser wheels in the future in a bigger size.

Just set up the 52m 93as with hubs. Won’t be able to skate them properly for a few days, but pushed down the street and back. They’re definitely harder than the 90s and slide louder, but also much softer and quieter than even 97 f4s. Definitely what I imagine a true cruiser/street wheel hybrid would be. Whats weird is it felt more difficult to initiate a slide on these than the 90s. Took a bit more force than the cruisery wheel. I am very confused. Maybe its the hubs? But both my 90 and 93as have hubs. I hope that this doesn’t translate to issues when I next skate but I guess I’ll find out sometime this coming week.

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Another thing these could be really good for is if you're a filmer that doesn't want to carry around two boards. If your main focus is on filming and you want a quieter setup but still don't want to miss out on doing tricks and skating at the spots.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 27, 2022, 12:27:47 PM
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Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.
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I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do.  :)

Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 27, 2022, 02:52:45 PM
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Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.
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I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do.  :)
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Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.

I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on June 27, 2022, 04:44:28 PM
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Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.
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I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do.  :)
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Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.
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I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.
how are you buying non production sets?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 27, 2022, 05:00:20 PM
Got 2 solid hours on these so far:

1. I was spost to receive the V1, but honestly don't think that's what I got. My wheel looks like a Radial Slim. Pretty sweet shape honestly.
2. The 52mm 93A are potato yellow, different color than the 54's. One side is shiny.
3. Bearing seat with the hubs was really tight.
4. They are smoother on asphalt than 99A F4 and power slide the same but with no bark. I maybe have to initiate the slide harder. No issue on reverting tricks or anything.
5. They have that kinda dead cruiser wheel sound when you set your board down.
6. They power slid normally on rougher concrete I will skate a smooth park tomorrow. They were noticeably better over the worst shit in my neighborhood. I don't have much time on the 97A Spits because they slid worse at my normal spot so I didn't skate them very long.

Other than that I do not think I am picky about wheels, however, I would prefer more of a classic shape with a bigger sidewall radius.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on June 27, 2022, 05:17:25 PM
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Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.
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I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do.  :)
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Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.
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I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.
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how are you buying non production sets?

It’s not that far back in the thread. There is contact information for Kam, who is selling off the prototypes for cheap. I ordered two sets myself
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on June 27, 2022, 06:04:35 PM
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Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.
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I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do.  :)
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Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.
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I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.

Yeah, I ordered two and got five. I gave away three of the sets to homies. I think they probably had a shitton of these wheels around and were eager to get rid of them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 27, 2022, 06:06:26 PM
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Can anyone DM me the address of the PP guy?

Thinking of trying the 97a, are they available in V1 / V2 / V3 / V4? Thinking of trying the V3 54mm in 97a, skinny technical wheel that won't rattle my teeth loose pushing to the spot.
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I received 12 sets of the V1's. I'd also like to know if they're available in other shapes. V3 52mm 93a seems perfect for here with the skating I do.  :)
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Why on earth did you buy 12 sets? Considering they're almost out of a bunch of shapes that seems a bit egregious.
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I bought 5 and Kam gave me 7 more for free. I've given away 3 sets so far and plan to give away more.
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how are you buying non production sets?
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It’s not that far back in the thread. There is contact information for Kam, who is selling off the prototypes for cheap. I ordered two sets myself


Seriously, not even a full page back:
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So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?
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technically, right now - here's the thread people have mentioned too https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/4276/new-formula-new-hardness-90a-93a-95a

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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.
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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.
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Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 27, 2022, 09:39:46 PM
Got 2 solid hours on these so far:

1. I was spost to receive the V1, but honestly don't think that's what I got. My wheel looks like a Radial Slim. Pretty sweet shape honestly.
2. The 52mm 93A are potato yellow, different color than the 54's. One side is shiny.
3. Bearing seat with the hubs was really tight.
4. They are smoother on asphalt than 99A F4 and power slide the same but with no bark. I maybe have to initiate the slide harder. No issue on reverting tricks or anything.
5. They have that kinda dead cruiser wheel sound when you set your board down.
6. They power slid normally on rougher concrete I will skate a smooth park tomorrow. They were noticeably better over the worst shit in my neighborhood. I don't have much time on the 97A Spits because they slid worse at my normal spot so I didn't skate them very long.

Other than that I do not think I am picky about wheels, however, I would prefer more of a classic shape with a bigger sidewall radius.

Also got about 2 hours on the same 52mm 93as, potato yellow, one side shiny one side matte, different color to the 54s I got. Core is white.

Yesterday I mentioned that first impression was that its more difficult to break into a slide than the 90a. That went away after I wore through the shiny layer of the contact patch.

Skated about half a mile in the from 16th mission in SF to this schoolyard. The ride was wayyyyy nicer getting to the spot than 99a f4s. These do still feel like a quiet soft cruiser wheel after all, though noticeably less so than the 90as. Feels a lot softer and smoother than f4 97as which to me feel very much like a hard f4 99a, just a tad more forgiving.

Spot had black top asphalt which the wheels handled and slid on fine. Skated a perfect metal coped ledge and it was fine. Haven't had enough time on them yet, but based on this session I'd say they definitely don't slide, revert and respond quite as well as 99a f4s, although probably nothing that would hold me back significantly if I really wanted to take the time to get used to it.

Maybe objectively you can get them to slide just as much but they have the dead sound and gummy feel of a cruiser wheel, and the slide is dead quiet which definitely throws me off a bit. Can't skate quite as well without the tactile feedback. I don't revert any of my tricks but I imagine if you do, they definitely would feel a bit weird but you could probably get used to it. Also they definitely pitch you a lot harder than a hard wheel if you wheelbite.

Definitely haven't tested them enough, but so far I don't really see these as a replacement for formula fours. You absolutely will lose out on the ground feel (great thing for cruising or really rough ground), bark/screech and some slide. They kinda seem like a different category of wheel entirely.

If I skated street and rougher spots more, I would possibly consider adopting these, whereas the 90a was too cruisery for me to even consider that. But if you predominantly skate smooth spots then these definitely aint it.

What I would like to see is a wheel that still feels like a hard wheel, maybe something like feels and sounds like a 97a f4 or even a tad softer than that, but slides as good or better than the 99a f4 and isn't dead quiet on the slides. Maybe the 95a or 97a would be what I'm after?

So my experience is quite different to some of yours, where the consensus seems to be that they feel like a 99a f4 that rides a better, and not cruisery at all. Definitely less so than the 90as, but these still feel like a soft wheel that you could skate very well if you wanted to, and not a hard wheel that handles rough ground like a soft wheel. I can't imagine the hub is making that much of a difference either.

https://imgur.com/zgO9T90
Here's a b2b clip of my friend and me (he did the fakie nose on 99a f4s, I did the sketchy nollie 180 sw 5-0 on the 93a with hubs).
His wheels are clearly much louder than mine on the rollaway, and also the sound of his landing is more crisp and high pitched, whereas mine sounds a lot more gummy and dead like I did in on a cruiser wheel (because I kinda did). The difference is much more apparent in real life, but even here you can get a slight idea.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on June 27, 2022, 11:39:19 PM
While some people are missing the sounds of harder wheels, I’m wondering if there are benefits to quieter ones, like being able to session an area longer before being found out and kicked out. Especially if the wheel performance itself is not an issue, just the ambiance (sound) we associate with performance wheels.

It might open up some crusty spots otherwise too rough to handle on regular wheels.

Im getting excited to try some of these after reading the reviews. I have 97a Spits for the rougher parks here in Japan (and the really slick indoor wooden park), and Bones SPF for everything else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 27, 2022, 11:48:03 PM
While some people are missing the sounds of harder wheels, I’m wondering if there are benefits to quieter ones, like being able to session an area longer before being found out and kicked out. Especially if the wheel performance itself is not an issue, just the ambiance (sound) we associate with performance wheels.

It might open up some crusty spots otherwise too rough to handle on regular wheels.

Im getting excited to try some of these after reading the reviews. I have 97a Spits for the rougher parks here in Japan (and the really slick indoor wooden park), and Bones SPF for everything else.

It definitely would open up some crusty spots that wouldn't be feasible on regular wheels, and having quieter wheels can be very beneficial in many cases

I wouldn't necessarily say that the wheel performance isn't an issue. The lack of tactile and audio feedback can definitely fuck with you, its not just purely a satisfaction thing but its throwing off my skating and performance a little, at least on ground that is perfectly fine to skate on hard wheels where you expect tricks, little skrrts and adjustments to feel, and also sound, a certain type of way.

Part of this might be due to years of conditioning, but still, I definitely feel like these wheels are fucking with my head, and thus my skating a bit. And I'm pretty open to trying new things. All my friends on the session (none of them are slap gear thread level nerds) tried the wheels out and were like no way, they slide ok but I couldn't skate something this soft feeling day to day.

Maybe it will go away with more time and I won't be able to go back to harder wheels, but for now the jury is still out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GT on June 28, 2022, 12:57:31 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/2NqHdQk/20220628-160852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2NqHdQk)


93 back cores whiter in color.
Out the driveway (pebble tech) takes it like smooth concrete. Extra fast.

95 yellowish ones feel more bouncy for some reason I was sure it'll  be the other way around.
Got them today and day finished so dark outside I'll use them for couple of weeks to really understand them. Over all I like the 93 and feel like they will stay on the bigger board for shitty spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 08:03:59 AM
I can say that at a smooth park the 93A just don't cut it. They're noticeably slower and slide worse on metal coping. They do slide and revert for sure, but just aren't there otherwise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 28, 2022, 09:14:23 AM
I can say that at a smooth park the 93A just don't cut it. They're noticeably slower and slide worse on metal coping. They do slide and revert for sure, but just aren't there otherwise.

What wheels are you usually using in the park?  I rode my 93A at a smooth park (for east coast at least) yesterday and didn't notice they were slower.  Honestly they may have been faster than my NFGs 52D that I usually use.  I believe you, just curious what your usual wheel is.

I did think they felt a little soft/dead on the surface though.  Thinking the 95A is gonna be my goldilocks wheel in the end.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 10:13:58 AM
My go to wheel are 99a F4 Classic Fulls, which have a smaller contact patch and are about the same diameter. The park is pretty smooth. Honestly I could live with it, but I'd love to try the 95 and/or 97. These are really good on anything rougher than smooth cement so worst case I get a spare set of bearings and just swap wheels since I honestly don't notice a big difference between shapes.

Oh and Kam confirmed he sent me V4's not V1
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on June 28, 2022, 10:15:19 AM
Your wheels are your speakers…..they can make your pop, your slide all feel like trash which is why it’s natural to ride as hard as tolerable.  I namely see all this new technology servicing older skaters who are guys used to riding 97’s in 1989, beginners, and the best wheel for your cruiser board. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GT on June 28, 2022, 01:38:08 PM
Your wheels are your speakers…..they can make your pop, your slide all feel like trash which is why it’s natural to ride as hard as tolerable.  I namely see all this new technology servicing older skaters who are guys used to riding 97’s in 1989, beginners, and the best wheel for your cruiser board.

97du at smaller wheels size is great for shitty asphalt spots. Not sure if I'd call it just for beginners or old dudes.

It's not much different to 99du juts little more give.

Also I remember the 90s had lots of 95du wheels🤔
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: doublesteveburger on June 28, 2022, 02:24:19 PM
Wait are you dudes getting free sets of wheels to try out?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 28, 2022, 02:44:50 PM
Anyone skate any of the Snot wheels from the last couple drops (from this year)? 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 28, 2022, 05:42:50 PM
Wait are you dudes getting free sets of wheels to try out?


A lot of people have been buying the new softer versions of the prototypes from Kam at Skate One (Powell / Bones) as per the last couple of pages, often getting some for free thrown in as well.

If you are in USA and in a position to buy a bunch of wheels, it seems like it is a pretty good deal.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 28, 2022, 06:09:59 PM
Wait are you dudes getting free sets of wheels to try out?

Current offer…

Hi GS77,

I have 93A wheels in 52mm close to V1 shape with a hub. I also have 93a wheels in 54mm in same shape with hub. The last is 93A wheels in 56mm both with hub as well as V4 shape without a hub.  I can send all 4 sets for $50.00. let me know if you want to try them out and I can send a pay pal request.
Thanks!
Kam Park
Skate One Corp CS Supervisor
E-Commerce Dept Manager
1(805)964-1330 ext 130
[email protected]

If you want the lower sizes let’s talk cause I just want the 56mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 28, 2022, 06:28:53 PM

Please don't take this as a dig.

You don't like the 97a (every post that mentions them you make call them out, and that's fine if they don't work for you), however, they might be the BEST wheel for a large minority based on market mindshare...i.e., hard wheels good, super soft wheels bad. They have an uphill battle with the 93a/95a especially with it being a new formula using a numerical scale people are USED to; I hardly skate 99s, it has to be real crusty for me to jump down to them, 101/103s 99.9999% of the time, hence why *I* am eyeing the 97a.

They ditched the HUB based on tester feedback. Perhaps they'll ditch one of the duros(?) or cut one/two from the 'Bones branding' (90a/93a and slap them on the powell side); they picked the odd duck duros for a reason: They are 'close enough' to what people expect them to be based on duro number (and perhaps they skate like they should, I don't know). Still, that many duros so close will be confusing, especially the 93/95...how different could 2 duro be (average person shopping for wheels mind you)? the average end user will never know they are very different (based on what you've written) or different enough to bother. If I wasn't a slapper, I'd go 95 over a 93.

Their biggest hurdal? Convincing people 93a is a good choice. Based on everything we know, 90a 'street' wheels suck ballz, so a 93a would also because it's so close numerically based on current scales in use....not sure what you can do...you can use Soft Medium and Hard like the do with bushings.

"however, they might be the BEST wheel for a large minority based on market mindshare"

Have you tried the 97a with a core? They are not.

WITHOUT the core they MAY be fine as a 103a alternative based on what has been said here, but I don't think anyone in this thread has tried them. The cored ones had things that were objectively bad about them. They struggled with terrain that HARD WHEELS shouldn't even struggle with. They were hard wheels, that worked worse than hard wheels in many ways. I don't see any reason to pick the 97a WITH core over a STF 103a, for example. I am steering people from a wheel that is objectively worse. They are cool gimmicks to see from a skate nerd perspective, but that was about it.

Aside from that... Most people don't skate 103a+ wheels. Most people skate Spitfires who don't even offer higher than 101a. I don't know where you are from and what you skate, but if you consider 99a a soft wheel, you are the one in the very small minority of the planet that skates places that are so pristine that 99a is for "rough" stuff and should consider yourself lucky.

Again, the approximate duro translation we can assume without cores is about...

97a = 102-103a
95a = 100-101a
93a = 98-99a
90a = Cruiser

If you are skating somewhere where 103a is even viable, then why are you getting these wheels? What is your goal?

Obviously your goal is to skate rougher spots. If you self admittedly are fine with 101a wheel, then the 95a will accomplish your goal more effectively on the rough end of things, while still feeling like a hard wheel.

While the 93a are this sweet spot that does everything great, the 97a are in this tough position where they probably don't feel as great as Bones STF 103a to most people at places where you want hard wheels, AND they barely do much to improve skating at rough locations. The 97a are the most niche wheel of the batch by definition.

Again, I am trying to steer people towards the 93a and 95a because those fulfill the intended purpose of the formula and are comparable to the duros that (if I had to bet money) 75+% of trick skaters skate.

I hope the 97a without a core ARE good for some people... but I think the first time people roll over a rough surface on the 97a and their feet get vibrated to hell exactly like a 103a they are going to say "Well why the fuck did I even buy these fucking wheels?". Where the 95a will at least offer an experience that has some sort of underlying logic to it.

I hope I was able to explain things a bit better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 28, 2022, 06:33:57 PM
Yeah, unless you only skate ice smooth parks I don’t see how you could consider 99a f4s a soft wheel.

But also, unless somehow the cores are making the wheels feel softer, I absolutely would not approximate the 93as to 98-99a, they feel significantly softer/gummier/dead sounding when you thrown down than even 97a f4s. Maybeeee it’s similar to what I’d imagine a 95a f4 would be at most. I’m talking about just the feeling of riding and sound, not slide performance though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 28, 2022, 06:48:03 PM
Yeah, unless you only skate ice smooth parks I don’t see how you could consider 99a f4s a soft wheel.

But also, unless somehow the cores are making the wheels feel softer, I absolutely would not approximate the 93as to 98-99a, they feel significantly softer/gummier/dead sounding when you thrown down than even 97a f4s. Maybeeee it’s similar to what I’d imagine a 95a f4 would be at most. I’m talking about just the feeling of riding and sound, not slide performance though

From what we can tell the cores make the wheels feel harder, in a bad way? Like they slide worse, so what's the point in feeling "harder".

For example, my 95a with a core were struggling with sidewalk cracks and made me get ejected by even tiny pebbles constantly. They also struggled more with initiating slides than the 93a without a core did. The core MIGHT help the 90a wheels, but I don't know if anyone has gotten to compare cored vs. uncored yet. I have some cored 90a I haven't tried yet, but honestly I just don't want to take the 93a off.

The 97a WITH core were REALLY loud. The loudest wheel I have skated, in an annoying way. The 93a without a core sound pretty similar to F4 99a to me. Probably a bit quieter, but not "gummy" at all. That might be an issue that the core creates for the 93a? The 90a without a core however I would definitely describe as "gummy" and really really quiet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2022, 07:01:54 PM
Sweet. I'm still in for the 97a without a hub (if they make it).

My goal is to try new shit to see what works; I never said I wouldn't try a different duro to compare, either but the 97a will be the first I try. BeCaUsE.i.LiKe.HaRd.WhEeLs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 28, 2022, 07:09:22 PM
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Yeah, unless you only skate ice smooth parks I don’t see how you could consider 99a f4s a soft wheel.

But also, unless somehow the cores are making the wheels feel softer, I absolutely would not approximate the 93as to 98-99a, they feel significantly softer/gummier/dead sounding when you thrown down than even 97a f4s. Maybeeee it’s similar to what I’d imagine a 95a f4 would be at most. I’m talking about just the feeling of riding and sound, not slide performance though
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From what we can tell the cores make the wheels feel harder, in a bad way? Like they slide worse, so what's the point in feeling "harder".

For example, my 95a with a core were struggling with sidewalk cracks and made me get ejected by even tiny pebbles constantly. They also struggled more with initiating slides than the 93a without a core did. The core MIGHT help the 90a wheels, but I don't know if anyone has gotten to compare cored vs. uncored yet. I have some cored 90a I haven't tried yet, but honestly I just don't want to take the 93a off.

The 97a WITH core were REALLY loud. The loudest wheel I have skated, in an annoying way. The 93a without a core sound pretty similar to F4 99a to me. Probably a bit quieter, but not "gummy" at all. That might be an issue that the core creates for the 93a? The 90a without a core however I would definitely describe as "gummy" and really really quiet.

That’s really odd. I think Kam said that the cores make the wheels feel harder. But my 93 with cores feel wayyyyyy softer and quieter than 99 and even 97 f4s which seems to contradict your experience without cores, which apparently should feel softer. Perhaps manufacturing variance in pre production batches?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 28, 2022, 07:15:11 PM
Placed my order, seems like the pricing is all over the place with Kam. 4 sets for $50, 7 sets for $100, 5 sets for $100 with 7 sets free.

Got the 93a / 95a in 52mm / 54mm, I rode cored wheels (Autobahn) in the past and they were fast on skatepark concrete. I attribute the rough ride on asphalt to the thinness of the wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 07:39:11 PM
I ordered the 95 and 97a. My wheels have cores and I don't believe it makes them feel harder unless the wheel is vertically flexing, which wheels are thick enough not to. Maybe the plastic transmits vibrations more?

I couldn't ride these in place of F4. They don't slide bad persay, but not quite as good and on metal coping it's noticeable. The slide also kinda feels icy- not really as controlled. I like when I powerslide know F4 and I get reverberation and know how hard the slide is and if I should keep pushing it or let myself go back to riding straight.

I am hoping the 95A is it cuz these are stellar on even smooth asphalt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 28, 2022, 07:46:56 PM
Man people are playing themselves in this thread. The whole thread has been talking about how bad the cores are for this formula, and people are still ordering the ones with cores.

For real, if they aren't selling ones without cores, just wait for the commercial release that (hopefully) won't have any cores in sight.

From what it sounds like, at least the 93a V6 56mm will get a legit release, so I'm happy.

I feel like I should just make a thread about this formula with all this info at the top so people stop playing themselves.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 28, 2022, 08:03:20 PM
There are only cored ones available homie. And I don't see that many people able to actually attribute differences to the core other than you and one other person. Until I can test the two head to head im not buying that the cores make the wheel slide or bark any different. The only thing that makes any sense is maybe vibration feedback, not how much grip the wheel has or the noise it makes unless wheels normally flex a ton. Id wager they could easily have variance in what they're sending out as well as what's labeled as they didn't even realize they've been sending V4 instead of V1 to a ton of people.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 28, 2022, 08:06:55 PM
Yeah, and on top of that. The cores allegedly make the wheels feel harder. But some people are saying the coreless 93as feel and ride similar to 98-99a ish f4s whereas some of us find the cored 93s to feel way softer than even a 97a and definitely edging towards, if not already in, cruiser wheel territory in terms of sound and ground feel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on June 28, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
The ones I got (90, 93, and 95a 52mm) are all V2 shaped
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on June 28, 2022, 10:41:18 PM
It could have just been irie vibes but I thought the statori cored wheels back in the day were sick….

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 29, 2022, 05:20:59 AM
Man people are playing themselves in this thread. The whole thread has been talking about how bad the cores are for this formula, and people are still ordering the ones with cores.

For real, if they aren't selling ones without cores, just wait for the commercial release that (hopefully) won't have any cores in sight.

From what it sounds like, at least the 93a V6 56mm will get a legit release, so I'm happy.

I feel like I should just make a thread about this formula with all this info at the top so people stop playing themselves.

I honestly can't tell the difference between cored and uncored, they slide the same after they're worn in. I've been skating them nearly every day for almost a month. If I had to guess they removed the core due to increased manufacturing costs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on June 29, 2022, 06:14:15 AM
I was also wondering that if this new formula is more expensive, a hub might mean less material used and a reduction in cost, but I have absolutely no idea if that’s the case.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 29, 2022, 06:51:38 AM
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Man people are playing themselves in this thread. The whole thread has been talking about how bad the cores are for this formula, and people are still ordering the ones with cores.

For real, if they aren't selling ones without cores, just wait for the commercial release that (hopefully) won't have any cores in sight.

From what it sounds like, at least the 93a V6 56mm will get a legit release, so I'm happy.

I feel like I should just make a thread about this formula with all this info at the top so people stop playing themselves.
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I honestly can't tell the difference between cored and uncored, they slide the same after they're worn in. I've been skating them nearly every day for almost a month. If I had to guess they removed the core due to increased manufacturing costs.

Maybe I missed it but what's your take so far?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: oak leaf on June 29, 2022, 08:01:03 AM
i ride spit 99s and 97s, both in conical full. i feel like even with 56s the roads are so rough i can get pitched if im not careful. what am i missing that allows people to get away with sub 50s? i was a kid during the small wheel era but also only pushed around parking lots lol

edit: like how the hell are people even cruising at archives on 50s? seems hellish
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on June 29, 2022, 10:48:38 AM
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Man people are playing themselves in this thread. The whole thread has been talking about how bad the cores are for this formula, and people are still ordering the ones with cores.

For real, if they aren't selling ones without cores, just wait for the commercial release that (hopefully) won't have any cores in sight.

From what it sounds like, at least the 93a V6 56mm will get a legit release, so I'm happy.

I feel like I should just make a thread about this formula with all this info at the top so people stop playing themselves.
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I honestly can't tell the difference between cored and uncored, they slide the same after they're worn in. I've been skating them nearly every day for almost a month. If I had to guess they removed the core due to increased manufacturing costs.
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Maybe I missed it but what's your take so far?

I really like them. My feet hurt less riding these compared to 97a F4s. At 52mm with Thunders there isn't much wheelbite, and it takes so many fewer pushes to maintain speed. They took me a couple of sessions to get used to. The slide feels different, but not necessarily bad. I feel I'd rather ride 101 F4s if I was only skating Cali parks. But there's no smooth concrete in town, so these get ridden daily. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 29, 2022, 10:51:49 AM
I mean I have skated a lot of rough Cali parks and live in SD where most street spots are pretty normal to slightly rough... but ya they suck at the smooth parks no doubt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 29, 2022, 11:36:45 AM
Man people are playing themselves in this thread. The whole thread has been talking about how bad the cores are for this formula, and people are still ordering the ones with cores.

For real, if they aren't selling ones without cores, just wait for the commercial release that (hopefully) won't have any cores in sight.

From what it sounds like, at least the 93a V6 56mm will get a legit release, so I'm happy.

I feel like I should just make a thread about this formula with all this info at the top so people stop playing themselves.

They're dumping dead stock for $$$. No reason to buy the cored sample except to support/check them out at this point.


I was also wondering that if this new formula is more expensive, a hub might mean less material used and a reduction in cost, but I have absolutely no idea if that’s the case.

It's PP, I wouldn't put it past them to boost the price to recoup R&D (hence selling samples still); other wheel co wheels with cores are the same price as non-cored wheels.

Anyone skate any of the Snot wheels from the last couple drops (from this year)?

Yes, 52mm, 101a with cores (Boogerthane). They're HARD. Really hard, and fast. Like old Ricta Chrome Core hard (but not chalky). Right up there with OJs/Ricta for hard ass white wheels. Not bouncy at all.

Slide is nowhere near F4 or STF still (but what is), they're [less] grippy than OJs, gotta push to get them moving. If you skate smooth plaza or parks, these will hold up for sure. Not for the faint of heart on regular streets where 99a would be ideal. Shape is reaaaaaaal nice, like a thinner STF V1, i.e, a classic shape on the thinner side.

Much better than the 1.0 versions they released without a doubt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 29, 2022, 06:11:02 PM
Setup some Autobahn 54mm Dual Duro Street Slims yesterday and they felt pretty horrible compared to F4s, even when worn down to 50mm, impossible to maintain any speed just cruising around the park. Not complete shit but I needed a reminder how good Spitfires are by riding 2nd tier wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 29, 2022, 10:56:33 PM
Skated some curbs on the 93as today (Rockridge BART, pretty rough ground). Felt super nice to ride around, way better than a hard wheel. Powerslides pretty well too but definitely gripped, caught and stuck much more than 99a f4s doing slappies. Made my usual slappies noticeably less consistent. Seems like the slide is very good when you're just trying to do a powerslide, but in other cases it can definitely still perform like a soft ish wheel (but still better than a cruiser wheel). A shame because I really don't wanna ride around on hard wheels anymore after this lol but these definitely hinder my skating in several cases
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JRainey on June 30, 2022, 02:44:54 AM
I got some of the 56mm 93a no-core V4. They have to get sent to europe before I can test. I was recently skating 56mm CF 97a F4s and switched back to 99a of the same wheel to compare.

97d F4 is much nicer in the rough stuff, but I noticed on smooth asphalt they were a little sluggish and never really slid at the end of 180s for example.

Back to 99a worn down to 54mm and they surely don't feel as good on the rough roads getting to the spot, but once I get to the smooth ground they just feel right.

Will be interested in how the Bones bridge the gap. I'll probably put in a couple more days on the 97a F4 whenever they show up so I can have that feeling fresh for comparison. I basically live in rural europe, so many rough roads, but some are really worked-in and glassy and that's a dream on hard wheels. Absolutely no polished concrete. No skatepark.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lilboosie on June 30, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
i wanna say i found it here not long ago, but does anyone have the email for the dlx warranty stuff

i know it was an address to a specific person but i forgot it and who. they helped out when i had a warped deck a while back

anyways i got some 55 skate like a girl f4 classics and only had a couple sessions. one has a chunk off already and another wheel has some small pulling or stripping. like a hang nail or string cheese stripping.

never had issued with f4s and wouldnt care if this wasnt just 2 sessions in. as in it getting worse
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 30, 2022, 07:39:27 PM
i wanna say i found it here not long ago, but does anyone have the email for the dlx warranty stuff

i know it was an address to a specific person but i forgot it and who. they helped out when i had a warped deck a while back

anyways i got some 55 skate like a girl f4 classics and only had a couple sessions. one has a chunk off already and another wheel has some small pulling or stripping. like a hang nail or string cheese stripping.

never had issued with f4s and wouldnt care if this wasnt just 2 sessions in. as in it getting worse

[email protected]
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lilboosie on June 30, 2022, 07:42:03 PM
ty!!! <2
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 01, 2022, 10:05:05 PM
Skated some atf shape 95a bones with the hubs today, schoolyard, black top asphalt. Unlike the 93a and 90a which are well in hybrid and cruiser wheel territory respectively, these definitely feel and sound like a traditional hard wheel.

They basically feel like a 99a formula four, but maybe very slightly worse if we're splitting hairs. Compared to my friends' 99a 53mm radials, the bones felt maybe the slightest bit harder if anything at all (weird because these are 95a), and slid ever so slightly worse (but definitely better than a 97a f4). When it comes to maintaining speed I don't really notice a difference, pretty hard to tell, they're both good quality wheels and neither feels slow.

I don't think the cores should necessarily make too much of a difference here, I did a slide test with my hands on this butter box so the cores shouldn't have affected the slide feel in that scenario vs the f4s which fared slightly better.

This was my first session on them so maybe they're going to break in more and feel better than f4s. The more difficult slide might also be due to the fact that these wheels are wide as fuck, like noticeably wider than an equivalent 54mm conical full which is already wider than I like. Felt like I had dumbbells on the ends of my axles when doing flip tricks.

I also haven't tested them on a variety of surfaces yet. But based on my first impressions, these are a very good wheel but I'm not seeing any major reasons to pick them over a 99a f4, though that may change as I skate them more.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tuesday on July 01, 2022, 10:41:24 PM
Still no pictures of the Bones? Slap is slacking. Hope they got the old experimental graphic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 02, 2022, 01:03:31 AM
Still no pictures of the Bones? Slap is slacking. Hope they got the old experimental graphic.

I posted them many many pages ago, but mine are blank so there is not much to see.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3803767#msg3803767
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 02, 2022, 01:41:10 AM
Skated some atf shape 95a bones with the hubs today, schoolyard, black top asphalt. Unlike the 93a and 90a which are well in hybrid and cruiser wheel territory respectively, these definitely feel and sound like a traditional hard wheel.

They basically feel like a 99a formula four, but maybe very slightly worse if we're splitting hairs. Compared to my friends' 99a 53mm radials, the bones felt maybe the slightest bit harder if anything at all (weird because these are 95a), and slid ever so slightly worse (but definitely better than a 97a f4). When it comes to maintaining speed I don't really notice a difference, pretty hard to tell, they're both good quality wheels and neither feels slow.

I don't think the cores should necessarily make too much of a difference here, I did a slide test with my hands on this butter box so the cores shouldn't have affected the slide feel in that scenario vs the f4s which fared slightly better.

This was my first session on them so maybe they're going to break in more and feel better than f4s. The more difficult slide might also be due to the fact that these wheels are wide as fuck, like noticeably wider than an equivalent 54mm conical full which is already wider than I like. Felt like I had dumbbells on the ends of my axles when doing flip tricks.

I also haven't tested them on a variety of surfaces yet. But based on my first impressions, these are a very good wheel but I'm not seeing any major reasons to pick them over a 99a f4, though that may change as I skate them more.

I know you said you rode the 93a with the core and it felt really soft. That's bizarre, and very interesting to hear. 93a without the core feels only very slightly softer than F4 99a. They don't feel even feel like a hyrbid cruiser wheel AT ALL, just a straight up trick wheel. While the 90a without a core however feels like an unapologetic cruiser wheel (down to the chunking issues, from what I've seen).

I think the cores really do effect this formula, but its so hard to predict in what ways on a duro to duro basis. However, I really do suspect they universally affect the ability to initiate powerslides though, because the 97a cored and 95a cored were notably harder to powerslide than the 93a without a core (and even the 90a without a core!). And it sounds like people who've tried the 93a WITH a core have not enjoyed the wheel very much, which says A LOT because it seems like everyone who has tried 93a WITHOUT the core has gushed over it as much as I have.

I think people in this thread have said the 95a without the cores slide well? And don't feel as rock hard like 95a cored we've experienced? I really want to try the 95a without a core now based on what has been said in this thread.

Just to distill my sentiments on what I've tried:
- The 97a WITH core are nearly unskateable in many respects, but was fun to mess around on. Vibrate your feet to hell.
- The 95a WITH core are a decent wheel but struggled with pebbles/cracks, and powerslide initiation.
- The 93a no core are my favorite wheel of all time. Period.
- The 90a no core are a cruiser (hybrid?) wheel that slides alright, but almost feels like its made obsolete by the 93a's extreme competence. Would probably make a really solid filmer wheel due to how quiet they are. Their powerslides are even near silent at times.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 02, 2022, 11:08:56 AM
I agree with @tzhangdox on how the 93a feel and think that they are like a slightly harder cruiser wheel. They powerslide and then stick, and don't necessarily slide that great but not bad either. They're slow as shit at a nice skatepark and great on anything else. I don't know why you keep saying otherwise and think anyone who would get these over 99F4 would be a bit disappointed in the end.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tuesday on July 02, 2022, 11:20:22 AM
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Still no pictures of the Bones? Slap is slacking. Hope they got the old experimental graphic.
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I posted them many many pages ago, but mine are blank so there is not much to see.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3803767#msg3803767

@FuzzGNU thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 02, 2022, 12:02:05 PM
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Skated some atf shape 95a bones with the hubs today, schoolyard, black top asphalt. Unlike the 93a and 90a which are well in hybrid and cruiser wheel territory respectively, these definitely feel and sound like a traditional hard wheel.

They basically feel like a 99a formula four, but maybe very slightly worse if we're splitting hairs. Compared to my friends' 99a 53mm radials, the bones felt maybe the slightest bit harder if anything at all (weird because these are 95a), and slid ever so slightly worse (but definitely better than a 97a f4). When it comes to maintaining speed I don't really notice a difference, pretty hard to tell, they're both good quality wheels and neither feels slow.

I don't think the cores should necessarily make too much of a difference here, I did a slide test with my hands on this butter box so the cores shouldn't have affected the slide feel in that scenario vs the f4s which fared slightly better.

This was my first session on them so maybe they're going to break in more and feel better than f4s. The more difficult slide might also be due to the fact that these wheels are wide as fuck, like noticeably wider than an equivalent 54mm conical full which is already wider than I like. Felt like I had dumbbells on the ends of my axles when doing flip tricks.

I also haven't tested them on a variety of surfaces yet. But based on my first impressions, these are a very good wheel but I'm not seeing any major reasons to pick them over a 99a f4, though that may change as I skate them more.
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I know you said you rode the 93a with the core and it felt really soft. That's bizarre, and very interesting to hear. 93a without the core feels only very slightly softer than F4 99a. They don't feel even feel like a hyrbid cruiser wheel AT ALL, just a straight up trick wheel. While the 90a without a core however feels like an unapologetic cruiser wheel (down to the chunking issues, from what I've seen).

I think the cores really do effect this formula, but its so hard to predict in what ways on a duro to duro basis. However, I really do suspect they universally affect the ability to initiate powerslides though, because the 97a cored and 95a cored were notably harder to powerslide than the 93a without a core (and even the 90a without a core!). And it sounds like people who've tried the 93a WITH a core have not enjoyed the wheel very much, which says A LOT because it seems like everyone who has tried 93a WITHOUT the core has gushed over it as much as I have.

I think people in this thread have said the 95a without the cores slide well? And don't feel as rock hard like 95a cored we've experienced? I really want to try the 95a without a core now based on what has been said in this thread.

Just to distill my sentiments on what I've tried:
- The 97a WITH core are nearly unskateable in many respects, but was fun to mess around on. Vibrate your feet to hell.
- The 95a WITH core are a decent wheel but struggled with pebbles/cracks, and powerslide initiation.
- The 93a no core are my favorite wheel of all time. Period.
- The 90a no core are a cruiser (hybrid?) wheel that slides alright, but almost feels like its made obsolete by the 93a's extreme competence. Would probably make a really solid filmer wheel due to how quiet they are. Their powerslides are even near silent at times.

I totally believe that the cores affect the feel of the wheel, but there's no way it should affect the 93a this much, especially since the cores should make the wheel feel harder according to the powell guy, and we've found the cored 93a to feel like a soft hybrid wheel. Maybe there's a lot of manufacturing variance with these prototypes, or they straight up just labelled some of the packages wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I think the 93as are really good. Super impressed they were able to make wheels like the 90s and 93s that are soft/hybrid, handle rough ground incredibly, but still slide. Its just they lack the feel and response of a hard trick wheel and I don't think I'm willing to get used to that. The 95a with cores are still very good, just don't see why I'd ride these over f4s, they feel pretty similar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 02, 2022, 12:36:25 PM
I agree with @tzhangdox on how the 93a feel and think that they are like a slightly harder cruiser wheel. They powerslide and then stick, and don't necessarily slide that great but not bad either. They're slow as shit at a nice skatepark and great on anything else. I don't know why you keep saying otherwise and think anyone who would get these over 99F4 would be a bit disappointed in the end.

I keep saying it because it is completely disconnected from the objective reality of the wheels I have been skating. Like some of the descriptions people are giving of the cored 93a are objectively different from the wheels I am skating, not even a matter of opinion or perception.

These things definitely don't stick. They slide nearly as well as F4 99a. They are NOT slow as shit at a skatepark (90a WERE very slow on flat, however). The 93a without a core that I had are at the minimum 1:1 with F4 99a in pretty much every way except for the slide initiation being slightly more difficult on the 93a. Aside from that one factor (and grinds) they equal or better them in every other category.

I totally believe that the cores affect the feel of the wheel, but there's no way it should affect the 93a this much, especially since the cores should make the wheel feel harder according to the powell guy, and we've found the cored 93a to feel like a soft hybrid wheel. Maybe there's a lot of manufacturing variance with these prototypes, or they straight up just labelled some of the packages wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I think the 93as are really good. Super impressed they were able to make wheels like the 90s and 93s that are soft/hybrid, handle rough ground incredibly, but still slide. Its just they lack the feel and response of a hard trick wheel and I don't think I'm willing to get used to that. The 95a with cores are still very good, just don't see why I'd ride these over f4s, they feel pretty similar.

Yeah the reason I keep pointing out that the cores make a difference is because that is completely disconnected from what my 93a without a core feel like, so it HAS to be either the cores or a mislabeled 90a cored. I don't think its out of the question that the core could make the 93a feel mushy or something, but that is certainly not what the uncored 93a feel like at all.

You keep saying cruiser and hybrid and the 93a without the core do not feel like a hybrid wheel at all. They are very responsive. They only have slightly less groundfeel than F4 99a. They aren't muted (or bouncy) like F4 97a, for example. I would consider the F4 97a a hybrid wheel, and these are not that. They slide great, they don't stick (which is what happens with the slide for the 95a cored, for example).

I just don't understand how you are talking so confidently about cores vs. uncored when we know this formula relies on vibration for slides. Its clear that the cores make things harder to slide at the very least. It makes sense since you are essentially putting a capo/damper on the wheel or something with the core being harder and having a different vibration frequency. Why would you think that the core effecting things magically no longer applies to 93a cored, right?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 02, 2022, 01:31:39 PM
I don't think that mine is a mislabelled 90a. Because I had a set of cored 90as too and they were even softer and quieter than the cored 93s.

Dude, I'm conceding that the cores definitely have an effect on how the wheels feel, its literally the first sentence you quoted. But even if we remove slides from the equation completely, me and @LebowskisRug both say that it feels like a slightly harder, hybrid cruiser wheel thats bouncy and muted when it comes to purely riding whereas you say that they basically feel like a f4 99a, harder than 97a. Very odd because if anything the cores should make the wheels feel harder.

Not trying to invalidate your experience. Its probably down to manufacturing variance, different batches over time, or some sort of mislabelling on one of our ends, that drastic of a difference in our perceptions of hardness is seriously unlikely to be solely due to the cores. If you're willing to post a clip of you skating them, do some powerslides, reverts, pop a few tricks etc I'd be curious to see how your uncored 93as ride and sound. Happy to do the same
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 02, 2022, 01:46:09 PM
There isn't an actual valid engineering reason cited that the cores would effect how the wheel slides. Cores of wheels don't flex much and they aren't going to effect vibration transfer that much. They especially wouldn't make a wheel feel softer and slower.

I can say objectively that they slide worse. I dropped in from the same point and slappy noseslid and tailslid the same box 3 times each way on the 93 and 99 F4. The Bones slowed down dramatically by the end of the box. The Spits were tested second and there was less wax and they carried the slide better.

Next I averaged 3 distances from the same drop in going slightly uphill. The F4 were dramatically faster. I didn't even have to push to hit and grind and entire box whereas the Bones slowed down so much that I had to push about 10-15 feet from the box. Also on crooks the 93 slowed down and squealed on the metal coping. I would start the grind at the very end of the ledge and the Bones would grind about 3/4 of the distance before I need to pop out.

Relying on vibrations might be how they slide but doesn't explain how the few people that have tested these at a smooth area found em bouncy and slower. I honestly don't mind the bounce.

Same exact bearings in both wheels, same board, no wind on a calm day. So far I think I'm the only person that has tested the two compounds back to back at spots with different surface types.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 02, 2022, 02:23:28 PM
Cored wheels (supposedly) provide less flex on landings/rolling over shit; that’s why you see them primarily in softer/cruiser wheels. Less deformation around the bearing (seat).

They also provide (usually) a uniform/flat bearing seat.

Autobahn, at one point, had both hard inner cores (101?) with softer thane outers (97a?) as well as softer inner cores (97a) and 101 duro thane. The former were supposed reduce vibration for an easier ride but still skate like a hard wheel, not so dissimilar to what bones is trying (but with out a special anti-vibe formula).

I’ve some cored 99a ricta on hand and they feel no different than the regular ricta I have, tho I’m not hucking so maybe I can’t feel the difference. They do, however, feel harder than 99a spits or stfs but softer than 101 Ricta.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 02, 2022, 08:39:41 PM
Cored wheels (supposedly) provide less flex on landings/rolling over shit; that’s why you see them primarily in softer/cruiser wheels. Less deformation around the bearing (seat).

They also provide (usually) a uniform/flat bearing seat.

Autobahn, at one point, had both hard inner cores (101?) with softer thane outers (97a?) as well as softer inner cores (97a) and 101 duro thane. The former were supposed reduce vibration for an easier ride but still skate like a hard wheel, not so dissimilar to what bones is trying (but with out a special anti-vibe formula).

I’ve some cored 99a ricta on hand and they feel no different than the regular ricta I have, tho I’m not hucking so maybe I can’t feel the difference. They do, however, feel harder than 99a spits or stfs but softer than 101 Ricta.

(This is kind of a reply to all three of you)

Yes, while I agree with most of the above sentiments, even Bones doesn't fully know how this stuff interacts, hence the test batches. Since this is a really unique formula, all bets are off. Especially when this formula relies on specific vibration characteristics, even musician knows how the science of vibrations is very particular.

Again, not all polyurethane are made the same. Not all cores are made the same (duro and formula). Not all cores are even binded the same. As far as I know the Bones uses a (proprietary?) method of chemically bonding their "hubs" to their wheels.

We can't just blanket apply how other cores work on other polyurethanes to how these cores effect this formula. We are talking about things like 95a wheels that feel like ~101 wheels. We can't really take anything for granted in that regard.


Its interesting to hear about those Ricta wheels you are talking about being anti-vibration, since these are seemingly leaning into the vibration (the opposite).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 03, 2022, 03:09:02 AM
Cored wheels (supposedly) provide less flex on landings/rolling over shit; that’s why you see them primarily in softer/cruiser wheels. Less deformation around the bearing (seat).

They also provide (usually) a uniform/flat bearing seat.

Autobahn, at one point, had both hard inner cores (101?) with softer thane outers (97a?) as well as softer inner cores (97a) and 101 duro thane. The former were supposed reduce vibration for an easier ride but still skate like a hard wheel, not so dissimilar to what bones is trying (but with out a special anti-vibe formula).

Rode a set of the 54mm Dual Duro 101a (think it was the Street Slims) ones recently, lasted 30 min in the session before going back to F4. The park wasn't crusty and the ground was good (by street standards) but I was losing so much speed. Not sure if it was the skinny profile or a mediocre formula, even my worn down 50mm F4 fared much better.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTDUADURULT54100_480x480.jpg?v=1622222936)

Even those these are listed as Torus (wider) shape, they still look skinny in pictures.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTABXTOR548397_480x480.jpg?v=1622222862)

Would like to see which company can come up with a skinny wheel that handles crust and slides fast, sounds like an impossible task for an incredibly niche audience.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JANUS on July 03, 2022, 05:58:44 AM
Does anybody know if the preproduction 93a wheels are USA only? I’d like to give them a whirl on some shit Canadian pavement. Or must I DM them like a man?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 03, 2022, 07:23:50 AM
I’m curious to try out the 90a without the core if anyone doesn’t want theirs. Up for trade or to buy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on July 03, 2022, 08:29:50 AM
Does anybody know if the preproduction 93a wheels are USA only? I’d like to give them a whirl on some shit Canadian pavement. Or must I DM them like a man?

It’s a bit pricier to ship to Canada, but they can do it.
I’m getting 2 sets sent there. Shipping is about $20-25 for two sets of wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on July 03, 2022, 08:35:44 AM
I threw the 93a 52mm wheels on the egg last night, skating a parking garage with fairly rough concrete (like a textured, skin  grater surface, similar to most ditches I skate).  I'm impressed.  They definitely "feel" similar to a 97a but soak up more of the rough surface if that makes sense.  Took a little bit more effort to powerslide, but slappy noseslides felt the same.  Whenever these get a real release I'll grab some in a V1 or V4 shape if they exist.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 03, 2022, 08:41:11 AM
I threw the 93a 52mm wheels on the egg last night, skating a parking garage with fairly rough concrete (like a textured, skin  grater surface, similar to most ditches I skate).  I'm impressed.  They definitely "feel" similar to a 97a but soak up more of the rough surface if that makes sense.  Took a little bit more effort to powerslide, but slappy noseslides felt the same.  Whenever these get a real release I'll grab some in a V1 or V4 shape if they exist.

I’ve read this far to see this.
I skate low trucks, and want a 52 that can handle the wack streets. Will try in a classic shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 03, 2022, 09:04:40 AM
They handle rough streets well. They're like a slightly harder keyframe that can slide a bit. To me the slide feels a bit icy and uncontrolled but that could be getting used to a different feel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 03, 2022, 09:32:15 AM
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Cored wheels (supposedly) provide less flex on landings/rolling over shit; that’s why you see them primarily in softer/cruiser wheels. Less deformation around the bearing (seat).

They also provide (usually) a uniform/flat bearing seat.

Autobahn, at one point, had both hard inner cores (101?) with softer thane outers (97a?) as well as softer inner cores (97a) and 101 duro thane. The former were supposed reduce vibration for an easier ride but still skate like a hard wheel, not so dissimilar to what bones is trying (but with out a special anti-vibe formula).
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Rode a set of the 54mm Dual Duro 101a (think it was the Street Slims) ones recently, lasted 30 min in the session before going back to F4. The park wasn't crusty and the ground was good (by street standards) but I was losing so much speed. Not sure if it was the skinny profile or a mediocre formula, even my worn down 50mm F4 fared much better.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTDUADURULT54100_480x480.jpg?v=1622222936)

Even those these are listed as Torus (wider) shape, they still look skinny in pictures.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTABXTOR548397_480x480.jpg?v=1622222862)

Would like to see which company can come up with a skinny wheel that handles crust and slides fast, sounds like an impossible task for an incredibly niche audience.
I had a set of those slims.
The formula is bad. They sucked and I took them off and went with my old set of wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 03, 2022, 12:33:56 PM
Does anybody know if the preproduction 93a wheels are USA only? I’d like to give them a whirl on some shit Canadian pavement. Or must I DM them like a man?

I think these things are about to be released and their preproduction stash has been whittled down to just the cored wheels. I would just wait personally. These should be out sometime this year. Sooner than later I hope.

I’m curious to try out the 90a without the core if anyone doesn’t want theirs. Up for trade or to buy

I might be down to part ways with mine in a trade. They are V6 54mm. Only skated them once or twice before putting the 93a back on so they are like new.

I also have some narrower smaller diameter ones WITH cores I haven't opened yet in 90a/93a V2 52mm.

I've got too many wheels at this point so it would have to be a trade for something else. DVD? Some wide 8.5+ trucks? Something else that is rare/an oddity?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 03, 2022, 12:42:17 PM
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Does anybody know if the preproduction 93a wheels are USA only? I’d like to give them a whirl on some shit Canadian pavement. Or must I DM them like a man?
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I think these things are about to be released and they're preproduction stash has wittled down to just the cored wheels. I would just wait personally. These should be out sometime this year. Sooner than later I hope.

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I’m curious to try out the 90a without the core if anyone doesn’t want theirs. Up for trade or to buy
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I might be down to part with mine in a trade. They are V6 54mm. Only skated them once or twice before putting the 93a back on so they are like new.

I also have some narrower smaller diameter ones with cores I haven't opened yet in 90a/93a V2 52mm.

I've got too many wheels at this point so it would have to be a trade for something else. DVD? Some wide 8.5+ trucks? Something else that is rare/an oddity?

Are your 52mm v2 93a cored or no cores?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 03, 2022, 12:57:18 PM
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Does anybody know if the preproduction 93a wheels are USA only? I’d like to give them a whirl on some shit Canadian pavement. Or must I DM them like a man?
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I think these things are about to be released and they're preproduction stash has wittled down to just the cored wheels. I would just wait personally. These should be out sometime this year. Sooner than later I hope.

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I’m curious to try out the 90a without the core if anyone doesn’t want theirs. Up for trade or to buy
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I might be down to part with mine in a trade. They are V6 54mm. Only skated them once or twice before putting the 93a back on so they are like new.

I also have some narrower smaller diameter ones with cores I haven't opened yet in 90a/93a V2 52mm.

I've got too many wheels at this point so it would have to be a trade for something else. DVD? Some wide 8.5+ trucks? Something else that is rare/an oddity?
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Are your 52mm v2 93a cored or no cores?

Cored.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 03, 2022, 01:14:27 PM
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Does anybody know if the preproduction 93a wheels are USA only? I’d like to give them a whirl on some shit Canadian pavement. Or must I DM them like a man?
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I think these things are about to be released and they're preproduction stash has wittled down to just the cored wheels. I would just wait personally. These should be out sometime this year. Sooner than later I hope.

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I’m curious to try out the 90a without the core if anyone doesn’t want theirs. Up for trade or to buy
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I might be down to part with mine in a trade. They are V6 54mm. Only skated them once or twice before putting the 93a back on so they are like new.

I also have some narrower smaller diameter ones with cores I haven't opened yet in 90a/93a V2 52mm.

I've got too many wheels at this point so it would have to be a trade for something else. DVD? Some wide 8.5+ trucks? Something else that is rare/an oddity?
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Are your 52mm v2 93a cored or no cores?
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Cored.

Ah never mind I already have those. You should try them out though to and let us know how you find them since the cores clearly make a significant difference
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
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Cored wheels (supposedly) provide less flex on landings/rolling over shit; that’s why you see them primarily in softer/cruiser wheels. Less deformation around the bearing (seat).

They also provide (usually) a uniform/flat bearing seat.

Autobahn, at one point, had both hard inner cores (101?) with softer thane outers (97a?) as well as softer inner cores (97a) and 101 duro thane. The former were supposed reduce vibration for an easier ride but still skate like a hard wheel, not so dissimilar to what bones is trying (but with out a special anti-vibe formula).
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Rode a set of the 54mm Dual Duro 101a (think it was the Street Slims) ones recently, lasted 30 min in the session before going back to F4. The park wasn't crusty and the ground was good (by street standards) but I was losing so much speed. Not sure if it was the skinny profile or a mediocre formula, even my worn down 50mm F4 fared much better.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTDUADURULT54100_480x480.jpg?v=1622222936)

Even those these are listed as Torus (wider) shape, they still look skinny in pictures.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTABXTOR548397_480x480.jpg?v=1622222862)

Would like to see which company can come up with a skinny wheel that handles crust and slides fast, sounds like an impossible task for an incredibly niche audience.

Yep, those are the jawns., the ABX.  In theory they might have worked with a better thane, they were just generic creative pours with cores; nothing special. Plus, you had F4s out….let’s face it they are the wheel to beat cores or no.

The rictas just cite a better bearing seat and less deformation on landings. Same old ricta thane; for 99a they’re pretty hard.

Agree all bets are off with the Powell thane, they trying something wholly new in that regard so it makes sense to try core and non cores with it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on July 03, 2022, 04:14:46 PM

Would like to see which company can come up with a skinny wheel that handles crust and slides fast, sounds like an impossible task for an incredibly niche audience.

Coreless V1 new bones formula 95a is exactly that. If you can deal with how quiet it is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 03, 2022, 04:39:11 PM
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Does anybody know if the preproduction 93a wheels are USA only? I’d like to give them a whirl on some shit Canadian pavement. Or must I DM them like a man?
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I think these things are about to be released and their preproduction stash has been whittled down to just the cored wheels. I would just wait personally. These should be out sometime this year. Sooner than later I hope.

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I’m curious to try out the 90a without the core if anyone doesn’t want theirs. Up for trade or to buy
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I might be down to part ways with mine in a trade. They are V6 54mm. Only skated them once or twice before putting the 93a back on so they are like new.

I also have some narrower smaller diameter ones WITH cores I haven't opened yet in 90a/93a V2 52mm.

I've got too many wheels at this point so it would have to be a trade for something else. DVD? Some wide 8.5+ trucks? Something else that is rare/an oddity?

Pm’ed!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2022, 05:02:45 PM
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Would like to see which company can come up with a skinny wheel that handles crust and slides fast, sounds like an impossible task for an incredibly niche audience.
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Coreless V1 new bones formula 95a is exactly that. If you can deal with how quiet it is.

I'm a chirp/bark fan...gonna be hard to adjust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 03, 2022, 05:56:09 PM
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Would like to see which company can come up with a skinny wheel that handles crust and slides fast, sounds like an impossible task for an incredibly niche audience.
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Coreless V1 new bones formula 95a is exactly that. If you can deal with how quiet it is.
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I'm a chirp/bark fan...gonna be hard to adjust.

Yes. When the sound is off…but, I need to adjust/open up my likes and dislikes. I’ve slowly been getting ok with riding forged baseplates. Sounds dumb, feels a little weird, but I’m so over my particulars. Like I’m annoying myself. Thank the good lord I skate by myself.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 03, 2022, 06:01:34 PM
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Would like to see which company can come up with a skinny wheel that handles crust and slides fast, sounds like an impossible task for an incredibly niche audience.
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Coreless V1 new bones formula 95a is exactly that. If you can deal with how quiet it is.

I skated the v1 new bones formula in 95a today. So same exact wheel. Its skinny, can handle crust, and powerslides fast. Unlike the wide cored 95as I got which I gave some initial impressions on a bit earlier in this thread (which absolutely feel like a hard wheel), these are still in that hybrid, semi soft semi hard wheel territory. A bit harder and louder than my cored 93as for sure, but also still much softer than a spitfire f4 97a, and feel like a completely different wheel to the cored 95as I got. If it was a blind test, I'd assume they're a wildly different formula.

They powerslide very well, despite being quiet. But I still have the same gripes about it as I did with with the cored 90 and 93a, just a little less: pitch you harder from wheelbite vs a hard wheel, grips a bit more on certain grinds/slides on certain materials, and just less tactile and audio feedback (even though this you could probably get used to).

Skated rockridge curbs which is a slappy spot with somewhat rough asphalt ground. Rode amazingly, but still gripped noticeably more than f4s on slappys. There was a wooden ledge with some angle iron on the side. I was sticking pretty hard on noseblunt slides on the wooden top even after some wax, but was able to slide and do them pretty much every try on my friends board which had some spitfire 99 f4s on it.

I imagine on a waxed concrete ledge they'd slide a lot better, but besides powersliding on the ground, these (along with the cored 90 and 93as) are definitely less versatile for other types of slide such as nose/tail/bluntslides, pinching, climbing up curbs etc compared to a hard feeling wheel on many surfaces. And as for the cored 95as, they're great but I didn't really see any advantage they had over f4s at all, felt almost the same riding but were a little more difficult to initiate slides on.

I wonder if the coreless 97as will finally be getting to the point where they are a little louder, have some bark and screech, and are as versatile as a f4 whilst being a little more forgiving on soft ground. Couldn't get my hands on any, but at this rate after trying cored 90as, cored 93as, coreless and cored 95as, I'm not too optimistic. I have some cored 97as but those will probably just feel way too hard so I can't really be bothered. Was pretty fun to experiment on, and I definitely see a market for these wheels, but for now I'm going back to f4s. Though I did get some 56mm cored 90as for my cruiser which I'm certain I'll be hyped on after trying the 52s

also all of this was after I wore down the treads on the coreless 95as
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 03, 2022, 06:26:26 PM
"Arriving next week!!
⚡️⚡️⚡️
Powell Peralta Experimental wheels have officially been named “Dragon’s”
⚡️⚡️⚡️
$41.95 a set!"


https://www.facebook.com/1274791152652294/posts/pfbid0CnC7xwUho1fdF6h3xYuw8ycCqjrx7PZ1FWyu2SVNDUZ5ZgV7uaT4EcPRJpWRWoTAl/?d=n
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on July 03, 2022, 06:50:12 PM
man these bones wheels seem exciting. to me bones lacks bigger sizes 56-58mm especially in the v4 shape
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 03, 2022, 07:24:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zUY5r2R.png)

This marketing is terrible. "Dragons" really?

Same thought, kind of makes sense they marketed these under the PP brand so it doesn't dilute the Bones brand. But PP is not known for their wheels.

Does this mean they are sticking to 93a and aren't doing 90 / 95 / 97a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 03, 2022, 07:28:18 PM
Makes sense that they start on this far end as that’s the essence of the formula.  It is a considerably different product I think, different demographic but same level of marketing…..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2022, 07:29:15 PM
Ugh, what a terrible name/marketing campaign...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on July 03, 2022, 07:39:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zUY5r2R.png)

This marketing is terrible. "Dragons" really?
I thought the same thing. 3/4s of slap is about to be riding dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 03, 2022, 07:53:01 PM
95a and up will be Bones branded.

93 and lower are Powell
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on July 03, 2022, 07:58:26 PM
lmao incoming product launch failure.  Good thing they got all these samples out to folks so at least a few skate nerds will buy them.  Everyone is gonna ignore these stupid Powell Peralta Dragons.  I know I would have.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2022, 08:16:41 PM
95a and up will be Bones branded.

93 and lower are Powell

That's what I was thinking.

8<
 Perhaps they'll ditch one of the duros(?) or cut one/two from the 'Bones branding' (90a/93a and slap them on the powell side)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on July 03, 2022, 11:00:52 PM
lmao incoming product launch failure.  Good thing they got all these samples out to folks so at least a few skate nerds will buy them.  Everyone is gonna ignore these stupid Powell Peralta Dragons.  I know I would have.

That marketing campaign has absolutely no effect on me.

https://youtu.be/3oTR5o9nUzI
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 04, 2022, 01:16:30 AM
I've been laughing this week thinking about how many of us are going to be skating some dorky ass dragon wheels because of how amazing these things are lol. Hopefully they also let Bones make some more tasteful graphics in 93a too.

From my post in this thread on May 29th...

I've said it over and over again... The only thing that will kill these things is bad marketing.

I really hope they start making the V6 93a 56mm with better graphics. Luckily it's smaller and less intrusive on those ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 04, 2022, 03:59:01 AM
On the other hand, does anybody at all care about wheel graphics? Pretty sure most people buy wheels for the shape and durometer, no matter the graphic. All my bones wheels had ugly graphics and they're gone after a few sessions anyway.

I wonder if the bones will still be called SSF (soft slide formula) or something like that, but I hope they'll be called epic dragon sliderinos
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nitro89 on July 04, 2022, 04:07:31 AM
On the other hand, does anybody at all care about wheel graphics? Pretty sure most people buy wheels for the shape and durometer, no matter the graphic. All my bones wheels had ugly graphics and they're gone after a few sessions anyway.

I wonder if the bones will still be called SSF (soft slide formula) or something like that, but I hope they'll be called epic dragon sliderinos

graphics are nothing a bit of Acetone (nail varnish remover if your other half lets you borrow.) wont remove.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 04, 2022, 05:03:57 AM
I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on July 04, 2022, 09:54:20 AM
Has anyone tried bones 97a without a hub? I just tried the cored version and they indeed feel kinda uncomfortably hard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on July 04, 2022, 12:08:13 PM
I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 04, 2022, 12:13:02 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.

I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on July 04, 2022, 12:30:06 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.
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I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).

I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 04, 2022, 01:11:06 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.
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I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).
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I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?

They feel like a hybrid wheel, not like a hard trick wheel. @FuzzGNU said that even his uncored 93a feel like a hard trick wheel, harder than a f4 97a. My uncored 95a feel much softer than a f4 97a, although still harder than a cored 93a. Rides super good, but not as good as a hard wheel on pristine smooth surfaces (which I don't care too much for).

They powerslide very good on asphalt, but in other ways they just dont slide/grind/respond like a formula four at all. They definitely grip and catch noticeably more on slappies, pinched grinds, and bluntslides than 99a f4s. And also because they're soft, they throw you off a lot harder when you wheelbite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2022, 01:39:35 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.
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I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).
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I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?
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They feel like a hybrid wheel, not like a hard trick wheel. @FuzzGNU said that even his uncored 93a feel like a hard trick wheel, harder than a f4 97a. My uncored 95a feel much softer than a f4 97a, although still harder than a cored 93a. Rides super good, but not as good as a hard wheel on pristine smooth surfaces (which I don't care too much for).

They powerslide very good on asphalt, but in other ways they just dont slide/grind/respond like a formula four at all. They definitely grip and catch noticeably more on slappies, pinched grinds, and bluntslides than 99a f4s. And also because they're soft, they throw you off a lot harder when you wheelbite.

This is why I'm hoping the 97a (if it comes out) work 'better' than the softer duros...it could just come down to the formula not being good for that kind of shit.

Ditch skating? Yerp. Some crusty spots that don't rely on slides? Sure. Bear run board? MosDef.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 04, 2022, 02:39:25 PM
Apparently Dan Corrigan echoes the subpar sliding on coping expressed in this thread. Really can't believe I watched more than a minute of one of his videos.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 04, 2022, 02:41:44 PM
Keep in mind that Dan is sponsored by Powell so he might be overselling the wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MxsDx on July 04, 2022, 03:10:54 PM
I put a few sessions in on the new 95a bones prototypes. Shout out to Kam at skate one for making these available — very cool. The bones feel great on rough concrete and asphalt and are super grippy on smooth skatepark surfaces. I wouldn’t classify these as a cruiser only or a hybrid wheel; but even on smooth surfaces it takes significant effort to initiate and slides on them and they don’t revert easily. Also nearly silent — no bark. Definitely softer feel than f4 99 and possibly slower on smooth surfaces (but better on crust).  That said, I have skated the bones stf 99 in the past and these are a HUGE improvement.

Nonetheless, I want an easier slide and will be retiring this set. If any Pal is interested in the 95 (52mm cored) dm me. I also have a set of 93 (52 cored) still in the plastic that I don’t intend to skate and would be happy to pass on too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on July 05, 2022, 01:37:01 AM
as much as i hate to say it, poor marketing works against me
i skate good on spitfires, bad on brands i dont like/support

wonder what skating would be like without a capitalist brainwash
but here we are
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 05, 2022, 06:37:14 AM
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On the other hand, does anybody at all care about wheel graphics? Pretty sure most people buy wheels for the shape and durometer, no matter the graphic. All my bones wheels had ugly graphics and they're gone after a few sessions anyway.

I wonder if the bones will still be called SSF (soft slide formula) or something like that, but I hope they'll be called epic dragon sliderinos
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graphics are nothing a bit of Acetone (nail varnish remover if your other half lets you borrow.) wont remove.


From a riding them perspective, I have no issues with any graphics and will happily remove them if I am not into them, given the wheels are the right size, shape, duro or whatever else I want to ride, because to me the graphic is less than 1% of the interest in said set of wheels.


From a shop perspective, it is oh so very frustrating that some wheels that would be the best brand, size, shape and duro just do not sell if they have a less than marketable / appealing graphic and some I have even "blanked" for people who didn't want a certain name / pro rider or something on the wheels, just to make them happy, even if they were going to ride them graphic in and wear them off in the first session.


Razor blades are just as good removing Spitfire wheel graphics as per this set from not too long ago, just scraped off like a scratchie.  Very quick and easy and no wet mess to clean up.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CdQN6ZsJq0N/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 05, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.

Definitely not the only one. I skate plenty fast and notice the same issues, just not as versatile as f4s in basically every way that involves any degree of slide. I'd go out on a limb and say that either your coreless 93as are basically a completely different wheel to the cored 93 or coreless 95 that I was sent (which is entirely possible), or you haven't tested them out on nearly enough of a range of scenarios and obstacles to notice some of these differences.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 05, 2022, 12:51:39 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.
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I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).
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I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?

I think you're both onto something... The color variance between all these wheels is wild and all over the place. The 93a cored are darker than the 93a uncored. The 95a cored are similar in color to the 93a uncored. The 97a cored are bright white.

It's kind of all over the place, but there is definitely some major variance between the cored and uncored. I'm not sure why there are some slappers in here trying to confidently claim otherwise without evidence.

I think it's best we wait and see the full releases and compare. If these green dragons are exactly like the 56mm V6 V6 then I will be a happy camper. Still haven't gotten tossed by a pebble while riding these things for over a month straight through crusty parking lots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 05, 2022, 12:54:04 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.
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Definitely not the only one. I skate plenty fast and notice the same issues, just not as versatile as f4s in basically every way that involves any degree of slide. I'd go out on a limb and say that either your coreless 93as are basically a completely different wheel to the cored 93 or coreless 95 that I was sent (which is entirely possible), or you haven't tested them out on nearly enough of a range of scenarios and obstacles to notice some of these differences.

Yeah, it's exactly this.

I was just giving him shit because he doesn't seem to have the functioning logic part of the brain that you have.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2022, 01:05:59 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.
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Definitely not the only one. I skate plenty fast and notice the same issues, just not as versatile as f4s in basically every way that involves any degree of slide. I'd go out on a limb and say that either your coreless 93as are basically a completely different wheel to the cored 93 or coreless 95 that I was sent (which is entirely possible), or you haven't tested them out on nearly enough of a range of scenarios and obstacles to notice some of these differences.
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Yeah, it's exactly this.

I was just giving him shit because he doesn't seem to have the functioning logic part of the brain that you have.

I mean maybe I'll eat my words in the future, but I just can't imagine the coreless 93as being thaaat different to the coreless 95s or the cored 93s, especially when in theory they'd be softer than the cored 93s which are already plenty soft, so I think for those of us that tried the cored 93s and coreless 95s, the skepticism is warranted.

Also, when you talk about slide what exactly are you referring to? You say they slide and grind fine, but have you done pinched/crooked grinds, nose/tail/bluntslides on different types of ledges (concrete, wood, plastic, metal coped etc), and done grinds on round bars to see how the drag is? Different types of curbs, concrete and painted etc?

Because if you haven't, you can't really conclude, as you have, that they're even nearly as versatile as f4s in the grind/slide regard.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 05, 2022, 01:29:44 PM
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On the other hand, does anybody at all care about wheel graphics? Pretty sure most people buy wheels for the shape and durometer, no matter the graphic. All my bones wheels had ugly graphics and they're gone after a few sessions anyway.

I wonder if the bones will still be called SSF (soft slide formula) or something like that, but I hope they'll be called epic dragon sliderinos
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graphics are nothing a bit of Acetone (nail varnish remover if your other half lets you borrow.) wont remove.
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From a riding them perspective, I have no issues with any graphics and will happily remove them if I am not into them, given the wheels are the right size, shape, duro or whatever else I want to ride, because to me the graphic is less than 1% of the interest in said set of wheels.


From a shop perspective, it is oh so very frustrating that some wheels that would be the best brand, size, shape and duro just do not sell if they have a less than marketable / appealing graphic and some I have even "blanked" for people who didn't want a certain name / pro rider or something on the wheels, just to make them happy, even if they were going to ride them graphic in and wear them off in the first session.


Razor blades are just as good removing Spitfire wheel graphics as per this set from not too long ago, just scraped off like a scratchie.  Very quick and easy and no wet mess to clean up.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CdQN6ZsJq0N/



A few slappies with the graphic is cleans off bad graphics quite well; I tend to use steel wool...especially on any bones I decide to ride...I'll take anything spit over bones graphics.

I agree, the graphics on wheels, especially when most ride them in, seems like a marketing blunder most of the time. Sure, there is a small contingent that feel wheels graphics are cool...but I can't for the life of me figure out why both Spit and Bones did gremlins/gizmo wheels. WTAF?

(https://c.tenor.com/Cxvq6k5vpkQAAAAC/coincidence-i-think-not.gif)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 05, 2022, 03:18:13 PM
@FuzzGNU pmed
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 05, 2022, 05:37:48 PM
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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.
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Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.
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Definitely not the only one. I skate plenty fast and notice the same issues, just not as versatile as f4s in basically every way that involves any degree of slide. I'd go out on a limb and say that either your coreless 93as are basically a completely different wheel to the cored 93 or coreless 95 that I was sent (which is entirely possible), or you haven't tested them out on nearly enough of a range of scenarios and obstacles to notice some of these differences.
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Yeah, it's exactly this.

I was just giving him shit because he doesn't seem to have the functioning logic part of the brain that you have.

I skated the same types of stuff and had the same comments. I didn't write as verbose of a write-up but it's identical AND I also threw out some simple objective tests and my own theories about the hubs. I'm not saying they're bad- I really like them for a lot of stuff, but frankly it seems like the experience you've had is different than what everyone else has had with regards to metal coping and sticking on slides. Personally I had no issues with slappies but my curb spot is painted and much more waxed than Rockridge and I didn't mind the sound.

So I'm not sure what your issue is, but I was pretty hyped on your write ups and based on my own experiences really don't agree but hope that the 95q productions are the ones for me. As it stands now I could easily ride the 93a cored at a lot of spots happily.

As my last test today I took them out today to a mix of extremely smooth cement, rough ground, and tile with these square bumps. They gripped really well but I definitely didn't like the slide on the tile as I can't lean into it as hard with good control. This was the first time they felt like they slid slow on curbs and ledges. I skated this spot yesterday on F4 and while the vibrations were worse, there was no issue. I didn't wax anything yesterday and even after a hefty application today stuff didn't feel quite as good near the end of slides.

Rational enough for you?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 08, 2022, 10:25:44 AM
Dragon wheels are listed on Skateone but not yet available for purchase. $44.95 MSRP

https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/dragons
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 08, 2022, 11:37:44 AM
Kam says the 95a are being manufactured now and should be available at the beginning of next month. Per previous conversations, these will be Bones and not Powell.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on July 08, 2022, 01:19:35 PM
so they are called dragons because b/c they spit fire, yes?
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Post by: Plan9Customs on July 08, 2022, 05:22:22 PM
so they are called dragons because b/c they spit fire, yes?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9CdVTCDdEwI
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8_cat on July 10, 2022, 05:11:08 AM
had my third short session on the loophole 54 v shapes today. still not really into em, I find them super grippy, especially considering how they are still relatively unforgiving on rough pave.

will give em another shot or two because i really want to like them. getting bored of only looking at f4 when i wheel shop.

I have been riding some 54s my self for a couple of months now and I am having the exact same experience, coming from f4s the slide seems to be super grippy even though they are fast and seem to grind well, kind of surprised that their team seems to be ripping SF on these wheels doing powerslides all over the place - for me these are really hard to powerslide well on.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on July 10, 2022, 06:51:03 AM
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had my third short session on the loophole 54 v shapes today. still not really into em, I find them super grippy, especially considering how they are still relatively unforgiving on rough pave.

will give em another shot or two because i really want to like them. getting bored of only looking at f4 when i wheel shop.
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I have been riding some 54s my self for a couple of months now and I am having the exact same experience, coming from f4s the slide seems to be super grippy even though they are fast and seem to grind well, kind of surprised that their team seems to be ripping SF on these wheels doing powerslides all over the place - for me these are really hard to powerslide well on.

This is exact opposite for me, they slide well for me on crusty spots and the messed up ledge at my park, I’m not a speed demon but I have had some controlled power slides going downhill street skating here in Austin, but I’m also skating the teardrops haven’t messed with the vee shape yet
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on July 11, 2022, 10:39:25 AM
Not sure if this is the best thread for this, but does anyone know how to remove graphics from soft wheels? Tried rubbing it off with sandpaper like I usually do on harder wheels but didn't seem to work.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on July 11, 2022, 12:13:59 PM
Acetone/nail polish remover
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 11, 2022, 06:40:37 PM
Not sure if this is the best thread for this, but does anyone know how to remove graphics from soft wheels? Tried rubbing it off with sandpaper like I usually do on harder wheels but didn't seem to work.


Have you tried scraping it with a razor blade?

I was surprised how well that worked, was dry, minimal mess and very easy to do with all the wheels I did it on, both hard as per the instagram post above with the Spitfire Foy wheels and others, but I guess it depends on the wheel itself.

Hold the razor blade like you are holding a coin to a scratchie and just rub back and forth across it.

After doing this for the first time recently, I have to laugh at whatever else I had tried and done for so many years before, which included sanding, using a scraper tool, even rubbing chemicals with a rag when I was a whole lot younger.


Acetone/nail polish remover


This definitely works though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 11, 2022, 08:49:51 PM
Any guesses on how long it takes f4 99s to go from 520 to 50? I’m sure there are tons of variables…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 11, 2022, 09:20:22 PM
Any guesses on how long it takes f4 99s to go from 520 to 50? I’m sure there are tons of variables…


From 52mm to 50mm you mean?

A few guys I know can take about a mm off a week if they are really skating hard on fairly rough concrete that they have to carve into things, which is not normal at all compared to everyone else.

Most I think are about a month or more per mm, with some lasting a whole lot longer than that usually, with all these new parks with super smooth concrete around here one set lasted over a year with less than a single mm worn off, compared to the crusty old parks or places that really eat wheels (and skin if you come off) but it will vary depending on surface, how much you slide or carve into things, or even some specific places that just seem to eat the wheels a lot more than others.

I feel like raw concrete will wear the fastest, more so than bitumen / road surfaces.  There are some crusty old skateparks I go to that always clean my wheels, but even some outdoor concrete carparks can have the same effect.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 11, 2022, 10:12:40 PM
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Any guesses on how long it takes f4 99s to go from 520 to 50? I’m sure there are tons of variables…
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From 52mm to 50mm you mean?

A few guys I know can take about a mm off a week if they are really skating hard on fairly rough concrete that they have to carve into things, which is not normal at all compared to everyone else.

Most I think are about a month or more per mm, with some lasting a whole lot longer than that usually, with all these new parks with super smooth concrete around here one set lasted over a year with less than a single mm worn off, compared to the crusty old parks or places that really eat wheels (and skin if you come off) but it will vary depending on surface, how much you slide or carve into things, or even some specific places that just seem to eat the wheels a lot more than others.

I feel like raw concrete will wear the fastest, more so than bitumen / road surfaces.  There are some crusty old skateparks I go to that always clean my wheels, but even some outdoor concrete carparks can have the same effect.

Ha, yeah my bad: 52 to 50. I alternate between two different lo(w) trucks, 52 is kinda the max. I don’t see many wheels being produced in the smaller sizes. I can try stfs, but I’ve been pretty dedicated to f4s (would also try bigheads m and/or classic formula)…not sure if it’s the same or different).
Thanks for the response!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 11, 2022, 11:09:08 PM
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From 52mm to 50mm you mean?

A few guys I know can take about a mm off a week if they are really skating hard on fairly rough concrete that they have to carve into things, which is not normal at all compared to everyone else.

Most I think are about a month or more per mm, with some lasting a whole lot longer than that usually, with all these new parks with super smooth concrete around here one set lasted over a year with less than a single mm worn off, compared to the crusty old parks or places that really eat wheels (and skin if you come off) but it will vary depending on surface, how much you slide or carve into things, or even some specific places that just seem to eat the wheels a lot more than others.

I feel like raw concrete will wear the fastest, more so than bitumen / road surfaces.  There are some crusty old skateparks I go to that always clean my wheels, but even some outdoor concrete carparks can have the same effect.
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Ha, yeah my bad: 52 to 50. I alternate between two different lo(w) trucks, 52 is kinda the max. I don’t see many wheels being produced in the smaller sizes. I can try stfs, but I’ve been pretty dedicated to f4s (would also try bigheads m and/or classic formula)…not sure if it’s the same or different).
Thanks for the response!


Happy to help.

The original formula for Spitfire wheels does wear down a lot faster for new, straight out of the packet wheels and often just doesn't hold up anywhere near as well either, but they are fun to try once in a while again, just to remember what they were like.

I feel like the Lil Smokies supply might have dried up a whole lot, but they were a good wheel in the small sizes, coming out in most shapes too, Classic, Tablet, Conical / Conical Full, etc.

Been a while since I even looked up what Bones were offering, so not sure of their product options, sizes, etc but Bones were always a good one and a close second behind Spitfire Formula Four for decent wheels.  They also seemed to last a whole lot longer overall too, so getting some smaller Bones wheels in the size you prefer might be a good option, when it comes to cost and value for money.


I could never justify buying small wheels when I know I have access to so many used wheels with all the dealings with others, in the swap and trade market, but there is always something so nice about brand new wheels too, not just someone's old wheels I reshaped to be a bit more what I wanted, but it is also very hard to get smaller wheels in a fat / wide but still semi rounded profile, so I don't mind having a bit of fun with old wheels from trade ins, as well as helping people with bigger new wheels to start with anyway.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 12, 2022, 02:00:38 AM
Dragons are in stock

https://powell-peralta.com/skateboard-wheels/dragons (https://powell-peralta.com/skateboard-wheels/dragons)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 12, 2022, 02:27:18 AM
Dragons are in stock

https://powell-peralta.com/skateboard-wheels/dragons (https://powell-peralta.com/skateboard-wheels/dragons)

Cheers! Grabbed a set of the V6 56mm while there were only a handful left in stock! Thanks a ton.

Wild that it was $45 + shipping for this shape though. I really am kicking myself that I didn't just buy the 5 for $100 of the pre-release ones ones I realized how much I liked them.

My current set is still going strong. They had some slight coning so I rotated them, but besides that they're lasting really well. No flatspots or chunking.

I hope they are still working on improving the other duros!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8_cat on July 12, 2022, 02:47:16 AM
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had my third short session on the loophole 54 v shapes today. still not really into em, I find them super grippy, especially considering how they are still relatively unforgiving on rough pave.

will give em another shot or two because i really want to like them. getting bored of only looking at f4 when i wheel shop.
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I have been riding some 54s my self for a couple of months now and I am having the exact same experience, coming from f4s the slide seems to be super grippy even though they are fast and seem to grind well, kind of surprised that their team seems to be ripping SF on these wheels doing powerslides all over the place - for me these are really hard to powerslide well on.
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This is exact opposite for me, they slide well for me on crusty spots and the messed up ledge at my park, I’m not a speed demon but I have had some controlled power slides going downhill street skating here in Austin, but I’m also skating the teardrops haven’t messed with the vee shape yet

That's interesting, I got the square shape which is just slightly fuller than the teardrops , I am wondering if it could be that their formula is inconsistent between batches or some shit like that. Even though the wheels I have are still pretty decent overall.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 12, 2022, 07:12:57 AM
Am I dense or is each diameter listed twice with no reference to shape?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on July 12, 2022, 07:14:00 AM
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had my third short session on the loophole 54 v shapes today. still not really into em, I find them super grippy, especially considering how they are still relatively unforgiving on rough pave.

will give em another shot or two because i really want to like them. getting bored of only looking at f4 when i wheel shop.
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I have been riding some 54s my self for a couple of months now and I am having the exact same experience, coming from f4s the slide seems to be super grippy even though they are fast and seem to grind well, kind of surprised that their team seems to be ripping SF on these wheels doing powerslides all over the place - for me these are really hard to powerslide well on.
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This is exact opposite for me, they slide well for me on crusty spots and the messed up ledge at my park, I’m not a speed demon but I have had some controlled power slides going downhill street skating here in Austin, but I’m also skating the teardrops haven’t messed with the vee shape yet
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That's interesting, I got the square shape which is just slightly fuller than the teardrops , I am wondering if it could be that their formula is inconsistent between batches or some shit like that. Even though the wheels I have are still pretty decent overall.

That may be the case, I got one of the first batches and they had bubbles and stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 12, 2022, 08:12:23 AM
Zach testing the 93a and 95a, comparing it to 103a stf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmnH0uqXasU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmnH0uqXasU)

The 93a powerslide at 6:50 is kinda insane.

Crooked grind tests starting at 9:55
Feeble grinds at 14:12
Bs tails at 16:45

Edit: I'm fully convinced about the 95a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 12, 2022, 09:58:52 AM
Been set on the 97a but it looks like the 95a when they hit will be my first pick up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 12, 2022, 10:32:02 AM
Ya but what am I gunna do with all my spitfire stickers if I switch?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 12, 2022, 10:42:01 AM
Am I dense or is each diameter listed twice with no reference to shape?

They don't list the shapes, but they list the width of the wheel which you can cross reference on this page: https://bones.com/why/shapes/

I think the 54's are V1 and V4... the 52 is V1? I could be wrong about one of them.

Their pre-release page earlier in this thread actually had the shapes listed out... but I can't remember what they were besides the V1 and V4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on July 12, 2022, 10:59:28 AM
Ya but what am I gunna do with all my spitfire stickers if I switch?

Garbage? The flame boy looking as head is wack. I say that as a spitfire fan.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Joe Davola on July 12, 2022, 11:34:15 AM
I just want Spitfire to make some orange 52mm 99a Classic F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 12, 2022, 12:13:01 PM
Zach testing the 93a and 95a, comparing it to 103a stf.

The 93a powerslide at 6:50 is kinda insane.

Crooked grind tests starting at 9:55
Feeble grinds at 14:12
Bs tails at 16:45

Edit: I'm fully convinced about the 95a

As I said earlier in the thread, the 95a and 97a were really hard feeling. Keep in mind that he is skating a skatepark. Even though its a "rough" skatepark, he said its smoother than the street. And like most of the people in these test videos, he is used to STF 103a.

This video is long so I'll summarize.

He said...
The 95a crooks on ledge as well as the STF 103a, but the 93a gave a little bit of resistance.
The 95a and 93a feeble on a square rail as well as the STF 103a.
The 95a and 93a tailslide on a square rail as well as the STF 103a.

Then he did a test on a cruuuuuuuusty/rocky path where he did a bigspin switch hillbomb test...
93a "felt fine"
95a "definitely noticeably" worse. "didn't feel as good."
103a "almost ran out of speed" before doing the bigspin. Bumpy ride. "would not want to do that on purpose". And was suggesting his feet were vibrating.

He basically said he is switching to 95a, and there is no reason for him to skate his favorite wheel (STF 103a) anymore.

In terms of my personal observations... I still have yet to get ejected from my board by a rock on the 93a... they are pretty insane in that regard. The 95a (and especially the 97a) WITH a core/hub got ejected by rocks more than a F4 99a. Hopefully without the core they are more forgiving in that regard. It looked like that path he was skating was rocky, so they must be somewhat better without the core/hub, which is nice to know. Again though, there was a pretty huge chasm between 93a and 95a in my tests.

I'm curious if the 97a are going to be released? Here is a 103a skater saying he is going to switch to the 95a. The 97a would just tackle stuff worse than the 95a? The 97a seems like it would be a bit of a Catch 22 wheel? The 97a was sliiightly faster than the 95a (which was fast in its own regard) but that speed probably isn't worth the trade-off.

My two cents...
If you normally skate F4 99a, go with the 93a. These things basically make F4 97a obsolete for trick skating. I've never skated NFG 95s, but I can't imagine a world where those skate better than these 93a.
If you normally skate STF 103a (or another 101+ wheel), probably go with the 95a to start. But I would still recommend checking out the 93a because they are pretty mind-blowing and will unlock previously untennable spots (and make troublesome spots feel normal). I feel like even really hard wheel skaters should have the 93a in their quiver. If you are able to make 103a work where you live, you probably don't *need* the 93a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 12, 2022, 12:23:02 PM
Tempted to try the production 93as with no cores, but after buying and testing the prototype cored 93as, coreless 95as and being disappointed by them both, not sure if dropping 45 bucks on a wheel is a wise decision.

Disappointed is probably a bit harsh, they're very very good for some things, but neither of them could replace even a 97 f4 in my experience.

Not sure that the tests in the video are nearly comprehensive enough. Probably should have done some sort of lipslide/bluntslide test. And even if they slide comparably on concrete/rails, that might not be the case for other materials like wood or granite
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on July 12, 2022, 12:27:34 PM
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I agree, the graphics on wheels, especially when most ride them in, seems like a marketing blunder most of the time. Sure, there is a small contingent that feel wheels graphics are cool...but I can't for the life of me figure out why both Spit and Bones did gremlins/gizmo wheels. WTAF?

(https://c.tenor.com/Cxvq6k5vpkQAAAAC/coincidence-i-think-not.gif)

Gremlins are cool.

So, I want to cruise around with my girlfriend and her daughter on their bikes. A long time ago I tried some Ricta Clouds 78a. Does it make sense to get these in 52mm? Anything bigger as 54mm feels weird to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 12, 2022, 12:51:07 PM
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I agree, the graphics on wheels, especially when most ride them in, seems like a marketing blunder most of the time. Sure, there is a small contingent that feel wheels graphics are cool...but I can't for the life of me figure out why both Spit and Bones did gremlins/gizmo wheels. WTAF?

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Gremlins are cool.

So, I want to cruise around with my girlfriend and her daughter on their bikes. A long time ago I tried some Ricta Clouds 78a. Does it make sense to get these in 52mm? Anything bigger as 54mm feels weird to me.

I actually have used them for exactly that on a bikepath with my friend! They worked great. I didn't have to worry about all the little twigs and other bits of nature scattered about. Obviously you're still going to be slower than them because you're on a skateboard, but in terms of terrain tackling they will be great. I also really trust them to grip way better than other wheels, so I was able to do a weird turning hillbomb on the path without dying.

They're not the fastest wheel in the world (they're on par with F4 99a in terms of speed, which definitely aren't as fast as STF 103a, for example), but they maintain speed over bumpy/rough ground great so its a lot less pushing. Essentially they will have a lower top speed than STF 103a, but a much higher average speed since they won't be decelerating as rapidly or as easily.

The guy in that video posted on the previous page is skating 52mm. I can't speak to the 52mm specifically, but they also have some 54mm wheels. I'm sure these would work great as a 52mm trick wheel, but if you're specifically looking for something for a wheel for cruising, might as well grab some 54mm, right? They'll wear down to 52mm eventually, more bang for your buck is how I see it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on July 12, 2022, 01:13:00 PM
Tempted to try the production 93as with no cores, but after buying and testing the prototype cored 93as, coreless 95as and being disappointed by them both, not sure if dropping 45 bucks on a wheel is a wise decision.

Disappointed is probably a bit harsh, they're very very good for some things, but neither of them could replace even a 97 f4 in my experience.

Not sure that the tests in the video are nearly comprehensive enough. Probably should have done some sort of lipslide/bluntslide test. And even if they slide comparably on concrete/rails, that might not be the case for other materials like wood or granite

In that video he says in the comments he has been riding the 95a for a few months and "they rule" FWIW
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 12, 2022, 01:19:31 PM
95s will be called "Bones X Formula", which is better than the 93 "Powell Dragons"

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 12, 2022, 01:33:10 PM
Tempted to try the production 93as with no cores, but after buying and testing the prototype cored 93as, coreless 95as and being disappointed by them both, not sure if dropping 45 bucks on a wheel is a wise decision.

Disappointed is probably a bit harsh, they're very very good for some things, but neither of them could replace even a 97 f4 in my experience.

Not sure that the tests in the video are nearly comprehensive enough. Probably should have done some sort of lipslide/bluntslide test. And even if they slide comparably on concrete/rails, that might not be the case for other materials like wood or granite

Agreed. I'm sure they lip/boardslide just fine because its essentially powersliding... but I am still curious about bluntslides.

I'm still genuinely shocked you like F4 97a more than these 93a (as we've beaten the dead horse on, cores, etc.). I skated F4 97a for almost a whole year. They were a solid utilitarian workhorse wheel, but they weren't "fun". They felt slightly muted/cruisery, bouncy, slow, and didn't powerslide well. They were beasts in terms of tackling rough street, but there were major trade-offs to get that utility.

The 93a tackle stuff a bit worse than the F4 97a? But it feels like there isn't any trade-off to get that crust tackling ability. And they still kick the shit out of pebbles like F4 97a (maybe even a bit more effectively than F4) which is a godsend.

How bad is the terrain that you skate?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PolarJames on July 12, 2022, 01:33:32 PM
I think I'm definitely going to skate the 93a when they make it to skateshops in the UK. Probably the 56mm V6 ones. I skate quite a few crusty spots so these should be ideal. What's put me off soft wheels is the lack of slide so am stoked these have come along. That Zach Doelling powerslide on the 93a wheels sold them to me along with a lot of the reviews here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 12, 2022, 01:51:19 PM
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Tempted to try the production 93as with no cores, but after buying and testing the prototype cored 93as, coreless 95as and being disappointed by them both, not sure if dropping 45 bucks on a wheel is a wise decision.

Disappointed is probably a bit harsh, they're very very good for some things, but neither of them could replace even a 97 f4 in my experience.

Not sure that the tests in the video are nearly comprehensive enough. Probably should have done some sort of lipslide/bluntslide test. And even if they slide comparably on concrete/rails, that might not be the case for other materials like wood or granite
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Agreed. I'm sure they lip/boardslide just fine because its essentially powersliding... but I am still curious about bluntslides.

I'm still genuinely shocked you like F4 97a more than these 93a (as we've beaten the dead horse on, cores, etc.). I skated F4 97a for almost a whole year. They were a solid utilitarian workhorse wheel, but they weren't "fun". They felt slightly muted/cruisery, bouncy, slow, and didn't powerslide well. They were beasts in terms of tackling rough street, but there were major trade-offs to get that utility.

The 93a tackle stuff a bit worse than the F4 97a? But it feels like there isn't any trade-off to get that crust tackling ability. And they still kick the shit out of pebbles like F4 97a (maybe even a bit more effectively than F4) which is a godsend.

How bad is the terrain that you skate?

Its not that bad honestly. Spitfire 97a is more than enough, and 99a f4 does the job just fine for the most part. But the cored 93a and coreless 95a both felt significantly softer, definitely cruiser/hybrid style wheel, whereas I would describe the 97a as a hard wheel, just a tad softer and more forgiving than 99a.

I feel like the way you describe the f4 97s is how I would describe the cored 93a and coreless 95as, except that they powerslide well still, but don't lip/bluntslide well on certain surfaces like wood or granite/marble albeit being fine on waxed concrete ledges
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 12, 2022, 02:08:45 PM
I just checked the SkateOne forums, and Kam said the 95a should be in "by the beginning of next month" (August). They're "in the final stages of setting up production."

I'm very curious what type of feedback they got on the 90a and 97a and if they will modify those before release. I bet the 90a would be worthwhile as a big 58-60mm cruiser wheel. At only 54mm, mine felt like they had a bit of an identity crisis... haven't yet tried these 90a 52mm cored in my possession, but even more so I can't imagine a usecase for these personally. Seems like if you're skating little 52mm trick wheels, you should be going up to the 93a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 12, 2022, 03:25:27 PM
haven't yet tried these 90a 52mm cored in my possession, but even more so I can't imagine a usecase for these personally. Seems like if you're skating little 52mm trick wheels, you should be going up to the 93a.

10 year olds who weigh 75 lbs. 

My kids have two setups each.   One with park wheels (99a+) and another with the Mini Logo 90a to be able to skate in the neighborhood.  The Mini Logo 90a are garbage when it comes to anyone probably over 100lbs, and they are a bit slow in the park for my kids.   The 52mm 90a Dragons or whatever may actually be useful in this tiny group of people.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 12, 2022, 03:25:54 PM
Just here to say I am very old and getting increasingly stuck in my ways, and won't likely try these new Powell wheels. So for all of you that get tempted into the Dragon's Lair, feel free to send me your unused Spitfires (and Stickers).

Now if Spitfire can improve their soft wheel game... that's another story...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 12, 2022, 03:49:31 PM
Probably going to give the no hub 95as another try, Kam said that they should be the exact same as the production formula. Maybe needs some break in time to really work in all scenarios
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on July 12, 2022, 08:06:46 PM
Just here to say I am very old and getting increasingly stuck in my ways, and won't likely try these new Powell wheels. So for all of you that get tempted into the Dragon's Lair, feel free to send me your unused Spitfires (and Stickers).

Now if Spitfire can improve their soft wheel game... that's another story...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on July 13, 2022, 09:10:19 PM
The 56s and the V4 54s are up at SoCal so I would assume stock should be in shops in a few days at most. I grabbed a set of 56s for a cruiser I was about to set up. Hopefully my skate to the burrito truck just got more fun.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on July 15, 2022, 03:18:37 PM
I tried v4 93a dragon formula today. Hands down, the best wheels I’ve ever had. They do feel a bit harder than the pre-production coreless 95a i had and they have a nice bark when powersliding which is super buttery and controlled. They feel completely different from the cored 93a that i have.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 16, 2022, 12:42:34 AM
Wow this is fucking my head up, what did your preproduction coreless 95 look like? Mine are quite white, v1 shape. Kam said the pre production coreless 95a should be the same as the production ones... which should be harder than the production 93a in that video zach doelling posted.

I gave my pre-production coreless 95as another go. As per before, they are sooooooo much better riding over imperfect ground. Sometimes there's a bit of a bark when you slide or skrtt, sometimes there isn't. On concrete ledges, they bluntslide basically the same as an f4, and powersliding on most surfaces feels pretty good. But again, they don't work in all scenarios. Definitely a little gummy feeling still and grip on slappies, and even crooked grinds or just 5050s if you don't lock in correctly.

Powell claims that these soft wheels that require some sort of vibration to slide. My guess (and I'm absolutely talking out of my ass here and will likely have egg on my face), is that when this vibration can be initiated, they slide basically just as good as a hard wheel. Powersliding on flatground, landing in a slide on a concrete ledge etc, but maybe in some scenarios like slappies, or slides on other surfaces or even just user error, the vibration doesn't initiate properly and so they still behave like a softer wheel.

Though now that I hear that production coreless 93as are harder than these, and if production coreless 95as are harder than those... they could be really good...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 16, 2022, 01:09:42 AM
I tried v4 93a dragon formula today. Hands down, the best wheels I’ve ever had. They do feel a bit harder than the pre-production coreless 95a i had and they have a nice bark when powersliding which is super buttery and controlled. They feel completely different from the cored 93a that i have.

Yeah, that is the thing I love about the slide of the 93a... its super controllable. Its crazy how its both a really good slide AND controllable. I figured that wasn't a thing until I tried these.

You get this slight trade off of the slide being slightly harder to initiate than F4 (actually blessing in disguise, because it gives your wheels WAY more grip when you don't want them to slide). BUT then once they start sliding, it slides better than F4 with more "control". Like I can control the rotation of my board while sliding better than F4. Its hard to describe. Its like you're snowboarding on some nice snow with a bit of friction to work with, compared to snowboarding on icey snow... if that makes sense?

And I can do these sorta lazy backside powerslide 180s because I know its never going to slip out on me. I've always heard people rightfully praise F4 for "grips when you want them to, and slides when you don't". These things are even truer to that phrase. I've yet to slip out on these things even when skating slick blacktop. Even F4 97a I had my fair share of slip outs while doing things like lazy powerslides or taking sharp turns.

And yeah, I'm not sure where people are getting the lack of bark from. The 90a were nearly silent, but the 93a sound like a slightly quieter F4 99a to me personally. Its plenty loud enough to give me proper auditory feedback. Definitely doesn't sound "quiet" to me when I'm skating places I don't want to get busted at lol. Maybe more subtle speed checks and such are quieter, but if you're putting your weight into a slide, no one is going to mistake them for a "quiet" wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on July 16, 2022, 09:28:58 AM
Preproduction coreless 95a I had were dead silent when sliding on any surface, same were cored 93a when broken in. 95a were a tiny bit less sticky when boardsliding a ledge BUT 93a are still less sticky than my f4 tablets 99a. I didn't notice any difference on crooked/feeble grinds or 50-50. I can't blunt slide so can't say how well they work for them. Also, no issues with slappies on a curb I tried them on which is usually kinda sticky. Actually now I think coreless 95a and 93a feel similar when riding but the sound feedback I get from 93a makes them feel a little harder which I prefer. Slide initiation is definitely easier than my f4 99a tablets and the feel of the slide is better.

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Its like you're snowboarding on some nice snow with a bit of friction to work with, compared to snowboarding on icey snow... if that makes sense?

This is exactly how it felt lol :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 16, 2022, 12:17:51 PM
Preproduction coreless 95a I had were dead silent when sliding on any surface, same were cored 93a when broken in. 95a were a tiny bit less sticky when boardsliding a ledge BUT 93a are still less sticky than my f4 tablets 99a. I didn't notice any difference on crooked/feeble grinds or 50-50. I can't blunt slide so can't say how well they work for them. Also, no issues with slappies on a curb I tried them on which is usually kinda sticky. Actually now I think coreless 95a and 93a feel similar when riding but the sound feedback I get from 93a makes them feel a little harder which I prefer. Slide initiation is definitely easier than my f4 99a tablets and the feel of the slide is better.

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This is exactly how it felt lol :)

I think for a lot of grinds, the stickiness can often be attributed to the shape as much as the formula. Those pre-production hub wheels for example were like a Tablet on the inside, and a very strangely shaped Radial on the outside. Tablets are notoriously great at locking in but create way more friction/drag while grinding than any other shape.

I'm guessing the V1 and V4 would be better for reducing grind drag than the pre-production hubs, cored V2, and V6. General wisdom is: the various degrees of Conical vs. Radial seem to boil down to lock/security/control vs. easy grind exits/fluidity/less drag.

There were two different pre-productions cores. The smaller cored wheels were V2 Lock-Ins (like Tablets), and the wider ones were their ATF Hub shape. Both are probably pretty bad for grind drag, so that is also worth considering for anyone who had the cored wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on July 16, 2022, 01:53:58 PM
Wow this is fucking my head up, what did your preproduction coreless 95 look like? Mine are quite white, v1 shape. Kam said the pre production coreless 95a should be the same as the production ones... which should be harder than the production 93a in that video zach doelling posted.

I gave my pre-production coreless 95as another go. As per before, they are sooooooo much better riding over imperfect ground. Sometimes there's a bit of a bark when you slide or skrtt, sometimes there isn't. On concrete ledges, they bluntslide basically the same as an f4, and powersliding on most surfaces feels pretty good. But again, they don't work in all scenarios. Definitely a little gummy feeling still and grip on slappies, and even crooked grinds or just 5050s if you don't lock in correctly.

Powell claims that these soft wheels that require some sort of vibration to slide. My guess (and I'm absolutely talking out of my ass here and will likely have egg on my face), is that when this vibration can be initiated, they slide basically just as good as a hard wheel. Powersliding on flatground, landing in a slide on a concrete ledge etc, but maybe in some scenarios like slappies, or slides on other surfaces or even just user error, the vibration doesn't initiate properly and so they still behave like a softer wheel.

Though now that I hear that production coreless 93as are harder than these, and if production coreless 95as are harder than those... they could be really good...

Ohhh fascinating. The vibration in order to slide thing makes sense. I guess that explains why I can slide on some of these wheels very well on old blacktop but not as well on newer black top, brick or other smooth surfaces
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on July 17, 2022, 07:51:37 PM
I got my 54mm 93a dragons in on Thursday, 4 days after ordering (Wisconsin- with cheapest shipping direct from skate one) and had a good 3 hour street session on Friday, and an hour at a smooth park today.
I loved the street experience. I probably covered 4 or 5 miles between spots, and loved being able to charge through anything in my path. Nose slides and tail slides felt great with  these. Pinching k grinds did stick a bit but I think if I had wax on the ledge I was skating I could have made it work without the gummy pinching.

At the park, today, I learned what wheel bite is like with these. It messed me up on manuals and deeper carving moves. It made me realize I’ve probably been wheel biting a lot but not noticing it with f4’s. I M riding 147s though, so it is to be expected. I’ll have to keep a little piece of wax on me or dreamed out wheel wells in the future. Also, they really feel gummy by he smooth stuff and less of a precise snapping sound and feel. I’m not too tech though so it’s not going to be a deal breaker.

these are going to make me want to skate street more, and I like that. I’ll stick with these and the 95a bones probably from here on out just because I’m over 40 and have earned a smoother ride
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on July 18, 2022, 02:50:09 PM
93a powell dragon formula now available in canada.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on July 20, 2022, 08:43:48 PM
I’m worried that 101a wheels will go extinct.

I grew up in the 90-97 option era. It wasn’t good enough. 99-103 was what actually worked.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 20, 2022, 09:18:50 PM
I’m worried that 101a wheels will go extinct.

I grew up in the 90-97 option era. It wasn’t good enough. 99-103 was what actually worked.

I’ve been considering getting some bones wheels, stfs…haven’t been seeing many wheels 52 and down from spitfire. Venture lo’s…I could maybe go rock hard trucks and run 52s, I don’t think 53s would be a go…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 20, 2022, 11:26:34 PM
I grabbed two sets of 52 STF’s….I ride everything tight and with 99’s it’s a bit dead feeling.  I pretty much just skate parks….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 21, 2022, 12:35:01 AM
I've got some brand new STF 103a (V4 54mm) and like-new STF 99a (V5 55mm with a really sick graphic) if anyone wants to do a trade.

I've also got like 2 sets of more heavily used STF 103a (from when they were still bright white formula)... that started out 54-55mm, and are probably down to 52-53mm maybe? Would have to measure. Can't remember the shapes, but probably V4 or V5... I'll check if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 21, 2022, 09:58:33 AM
I’m worried that 101a wheels will go extinct.

I grew up in the 90-97 option era. It wasn’t good enough. 99-103 was what actually worked.

Same, and those 95/97 were sticky. Thing is, those old petroleum based 99/101s were the shit...way better slide imo.

If the new dragon formula (ugh) is as good as everyone says, the 95a seems to be the 103a killer for street.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BurgerCop on July 21, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on July 21, 2022, 11:20:49 AM
What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?

Didn't they mostly make longboard stuff for a long time?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BurgerCop on July 21, 2022, 11:34:35 AM
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What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?
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Didn't they mostly make longboard stuff for a long time?

I don't...think so?
They're an NHS brand so I would think that's unlikely?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on July 21, 2022, 11:53:31 AM
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What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?
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Didn't they mostly make longboard stuff for a long time?
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I don't...think so?
They're an NHS brand so I would think that's unlikely?

Yeah looks like I was wrong, I couldn't find anything about them doing longboard wheels so I must have been thinking of something else.  My bad NHS.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on July 21, 2022, 01:13:07 PM
ricta always felt like the third wheel (heh) and nothing about their branding draws my eyes at least
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 21, 2022, 01:23:13 PM
ricta always felt like the third wheel (heh) and nothing about their branding draws my eyes at least

I really didn't care about wheels when I was young. I skated whatever looked cool and didn't know anything about how they differed.

Once, I tried my friends board and realized the Spitfire wheels felt way different (softer and less plasticky) and I really liked them so I got some of my own.

Then the next set I bought after that was Ricta naturals. At that point it just felt like all wheels basically feel the same... And then there is Spitfire which feel different (and look cooler).

It wasn't until Bones STF came out that I really paid attention to wheels again (there's different shapes and formulas?!). Then I just rode those until I got back into skating and F4 were out.

I think Ricta just feels like a high quality version of "the other wheels" while Spitfire and Bones have done a better job carving out their own lanes in skating. Though Ricta seem to have a following with the clouds at least.

I have nothing against them... They are in that OJ tier of "good, but so-what". Especially with the Powell dragon formula being out now I feel like the bar has been raised where even Spitfire (and Bones STF) feel like they are now in a tier of "great, but so-what".
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on July 21, 2022, 02:46:37 PM
I love to try stuff, I'm on speedrings 52 mm slim 99a and I have no complaints. They slide and they last.

While on the subject, they're also doing new softer wheels. I havn't seen any marketing, but there's an Asta and a Shanahan pro wheel.
 

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/53mm-asta-speedrings-clear-orange-slim-95a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?variant=42104543019165

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/53mm-shanahan-crystal-cores-clear-metallic-red-95a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?variant=42104541872285

Edit: There's a description and a promising review on the Shanahan wheel/bottom link.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 21, 2022, 04:15:54 PM
I love to try stuff, I'm on speedrings 52 mm slim 99a and I have no complaints. They slide and they last.

While on the subject, they're also doing new softer wheels. I havn't seen any marketing, but there's an Asta and a Shanahan pro wheel.
 

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/53mm-asta-speedrings-clear-orange-slim-95a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?variant=42104543019165

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/53mm-shanahan-crystal-cores-clear-metallic-red-95a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?variant=42104541872285

Edit: There's a description and a promising review on the Shanahan wheel/bottom link.

It honestly sounds a lot like the new Bones 95a (or 97a) from that review:

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Hate to say this but I like them better than f4.
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Hate to say this but I like them better than f4.
This is a very interesting wheel, I’ve been a fan of f4 99a and I also have oj nomads which I love. Compared to f4 these slide almost as good, from my powerslide tests on brand new wheels they slide very similar to f4 but it’s easier to get out of a slide and it’s more controlled. It takes a little more effort to get into a slide but very little more. I’m sure when they break in they’ll be just as good. They are easier to slide than my ricta speedrings 99a. Also being 95a they feel harder than 99a f4 and way harder than the nomads. but at the same time they are sooo much smoother and faster than f4 on any terrain, there’s no comparison and they eat any cracks or pebbles. They keep the speed much better than f4 on crusty terrain. My only minor complaint is that they are very loud but i can live with that. The sound of the powerslide is very unique and nasty in a good way. :) it feels so weird to ride a wheel that feels hard as a rock but rides crust like a soft wheel. No bounce when you throw your board on the ground just like a hard wheel. My new favorite wheel.

Like I've said before those Bones 97a (hub) were also reeeeally loud too.

Well, I'm glad Bones/PP aren't the only ones making wheels like this. Hopefully we get an awesome arms race for the best hard crust tackling wheel between all the brands!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 21, 2022, 06:10:26 PM
What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?

I skate ricta from time to time, they're the hardest pure white wheels this side of OJ Elites (and harder than all the browns or SPFs). Grip well and slide great, loud bark. Did I mentioned they're hard? Prefer them over STF these days (STF = too soft, even the 103s these days).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 21, 2022, 07:10:15 PM
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What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?
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I skate ricta from time to time, they're the hardest pure white wheels this side of OJ Elites (and harder than all the browns or SPFs). Grip well and slide great, loud bark. Did I mentioned they're hard? Prefer them over STF these days (STF = too soft, even the 103s these days).

Hmm... Maybe I am not understanding your post, but are you saying that OJ Elite 101a feel harder than STF 103a? Because OJ were noticeably softer for me personally. A tad slower, and definitely less slide to them... but handled crumby streets sliiightly better than STF.

I'm curious what attributes make up your definition of "hard" vs. "soft". I know people have talked about formulas changing after being on the shelf for years. Maybe I had a brand new set of OJ, and you had an older one that had hardened a bit while sitting on the shelf of a warehouse/store?

I can't speak to Rictas. Which Ricta formula/type do you skate?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthulhu! on July 21, 2022, 09:49:35 PM
Suddenly I have an overwhelming urge to buy Rictas
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on July 22, 2022, 09:27:34 AM
I love to try stuff, I'm on speedrings 52 mm slim 99a and I have no complaints. They slide and they last.

While on the subject, they're also doing new softer wheels. I havn't seen any marketing, but there's an Asta and a Shanahan pro wheel.
 

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/53mm-asta-speedrings-clear-orange-slim-95a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?variant=42104543019165

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/53mm-shanahan-crystal-cores-clear-metallic-red-95a-ricta-skateboard-wheels?variant=42104541872285

Edit: There's a description and a promising review on the Shanahan wheel/bottom link.

I have shanahan crystal cores. it was my favorite wheel before I tried dragon formula 93a. There's some good and a little bit of bad about it. Good: it's very fast on smooth surfaces, feels super hard like 101+ wheel, goes over cracks and pebbles smoother than the dragon formula, feels very nice and fluid when skating park. Bad: Slow on rough asphalt, doesn't slide as easily and smooth as dragon formulas, can be a little bit sticky when grinding some surfaces, crazy loud.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2022, 09:54:03 AM
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What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?
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I skate ricta from time to time, they're the hardest pure white wheels this side of OJ Elites (and harder than all the browns or SPFs). Grip well and slide great, loud bark. Did I mentioned they're hard? Prefer them over STF these days (STF = too soft, even the 103s these days).
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Hmm... Maybe I am not understanding your post, but are you saying that OJ Elite 101a feel harder than STF 103a? Because OJ were noticeably softer for me personally. A tad slower, and definitely less slide to them... but handled crumby streets sliiightly better than STF.

I'm curious what attributes make up your definition of "hard" vs. "soft". I know people have talked about formulas changing after being on the shelf for years. Maybe I had a brand new set of OJ, and you had an older one that had hardened a bit while sitting on the shelf of a warehouse/store?

I can't speak to Rictas. Which Ricta formula/type do you skate?

Foot vibrating/tooth chattering unforgivingly hard, below that you'd have SPFs, then spit 101s, then 103a STFs (the new batches just arent hard anymore, ever since they tweaked the coloring to the off white).

Were the OJs you skated Elites? Anything bit Elites are soft feeling and the 'from concentrates' (PP Wheel) are spongy.

Ricta dumped using 'marketed' formulas, tho I would imagine their sub brands (crystals, rings, sparx, naturals) are all different. 101 super Slim (Nyjah wheel) is my favorite, 101 Natural mids (feel the same); 99a speed rings are grippy/hard.

Snot, boogerthane cored wheels are the hardest, most unforgiving wheel I've skated recently, plaza/park only.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 22, 2022, 01:24:23 PM
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What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?
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I skate ricta from time to time, they're the hardest pure white wheels this side of OJ Elites (and harder than all the browns or SPFs). Grip well and slide great, loud bark. Did I mentioned they're hard? Prefer them over STF these days (STF = too soft, even the 103s these days).
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Hmm... Maybe I am not understanding your post, but are you saying that OJ Elite 101a feel harder than STF 103a? Because OJ were noticeably softer for me personally. A tad slower, and definitely less slide to them... but handled crumby streets sliiightly better than STF.

I'm curious what attributes make up your definition of "hard" vs. "soft". I know people have talked about formulas changing after being on the shelf for years. Maybe I had a brand new set of OJ, and you had an older one that had hardened a bit while sitting on the shelf of a warehouse/store?

I can't speak to Rictas. Which Ricta formula/type do you skate?
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Foot vibrating/tooth chattering unforgivingly hard, below that you'd have SPFs, then spit 101s, then 103a STFs (the new batches just arent hard anymore, ever since they tweaked the coloring to the off white).

Were the OJs you skated Elites? Anything bit Elites are soft feeling and the 'from concentrates' (PP Wheel) are spongy.

Ricta dumped using 'marketed' formulas, tho I would imagine their sub brands (crystals, rings, sparx, naturals) are all different. 101 super Slim (Nyjah wheel) is my favorite, 101 Natural mids (feel the same); 99a speed rings are grippy/hard.

Snot, boogerthane cored wheels are the hardest, most unforgiving wheel I've skated recently, plaza/park only.

Ahhhh, I see now, that makes sense. I haven't skated the new batches of STF yet, I have only skated the bright white ones.

Yes, the OJ I skated were Elite 101a mini-combo. I skated them directly after skating STF 103a (bright white) for years, so I am fully confident in saying the bright white STF 103a were harder. I'm sure that has changed now though with their weird off-white change.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2022, 02:59:30 PM
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What's up with Ricta hate? I don't skate them but I got nothing against them.
Are they legit inferior or something or is it just skate hipsters desperate to emulate Gifted Hater?
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I skate ricta from time to time, they're the hardest pure white wheels this side of OJ Elites (and harder than all the browns or SPFs). Grip well and slide great, loud bark. Did I mentioned they're hard? Prefer them over STF these days (STF = too soft, even the 103s these days).
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Hmm... Maybe I am not understanding your post, but are you saying that OJ Elite 101a feel harder than STF 103a? Because OJ were noticeably softer for me personally. A tad slower, and definitely less slide to them... but handled crumby streets sliiightly better than STF.

I'm curious what attributes make up your definition of "hard" vs. "soft". I know people have talked about formulas changing after being on the shelf for years. Maybe I had a brand new set of OJ, and you had an older one that had hardened a bit while sitting on the shelf of a warehouse/store?

I can't speak to Rictas. Which Ricta formula/type do you skate?
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Foot vibrating/tooth chattering unforgivingly hard, below that you'd have SPFs, then spit 101s, then 103a STFs (the new batches just arent hard anymore, ever since they tweaked the coloring to the off white).

Were the OJs you skated Elites? Anything bit Elites are soft feeling and the 'from concentrates' (PP Wheel) are spongy.

Ricta dumped using 'marketed' formulas, tho I would imagine their sub brands (crystals, rings, sparx, naturals) are all different. 101 super Slim (Nyjah wheel) is my favorite, 101 Natural mids (feel the same); 99a speed rings are grippy/hard.

Snot, boogerthane cored wheels are the hardest, most unforgiving wheel I've skated recently, plaza/park only.
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Ahhhh, I see now, that makes sense. I haven't skated the new batches of STF yet, I have only skated the bright white ones.

Yes, the OJ I skated were Elite 101a mini-combo. I skated them directly after skating STF 103a (bright white) for years, so I am fully confident in saying the bright white STF 103a were harder. I'm sure that has changed now though with their weird off-white change.

Bright white STFs were great. The new batches are just weird, the 103s feel like what you'd think a 99a STF *should* feel like, to me anyway...the 99a feel closer to the 97a spits but a bit more slidey.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Thebird on July 22, 2022, 04:25:16 PM
So I've been reading through all of these posts regarding the new Bones formula and it sounds pretty sick.  Which is most comparable to the f4 99A, the 93 or 95?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 22, 2022, 05:48:55 PM
So I've been reading through all of these posts regarding the new Bones formula and it sounds pretty sick.  Which is most comparable to the f4 99A, the 93 or 95?

93a. It feels a little bit softer but in a welcome way personally since it makes rough stuff feel smoother. It's like a 98a.

They're already out too. Powell Green Dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Thebird on July 22, 2022, 08:07:00 PM
And you said the slide is comparable, both on ledges and powerslides in the street?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 22, 2022, 11:11:25 PM
And you said the slide is comparable, both on ledges and powerslides in the street?

They are slightly harder to initiate slides but in a way that you can get used to. Once you start sliding they are similar in slideability but more controllable. The initiating is slightly worse, but the actual slide and revert are better in my opinion.

From what everyone has said: depending on the combination of surface and the grind you might run into some friction issues, but it's kind of hard to predict. It doesn't seem like any grinds are bad enough to be a deal breaker.

They have so many upsides over F4 99a that it's worth those small trade offs. Just be patient the first week getting used to the slide difference and you will fall in love with everything else about them. These wheels are really something else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 22, 2022, 11:30:44 PM
I would consider waiting for the harder ones and some more reviews. I bought the production Powell 93a dragons and have skated them a few times now. Definitely don’t think they’re a full on replacement for f4s. There are definitely grinds and slides on obstacles that I, and my friends who tried them, would consider dealbreakers. Will elaborate on details later. If you want tldr scroll back a few pages, read the review on the 95a coreless and pretend they’re a tad harder and better than those, but still have all the same issues just to a slightly lesser extent. Fantastic wheel, but not a 99 f4 replacement
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 23, 2022, 02:20:05 AM
Definitely don’t think these production 93as are a full on replacement for f4s.

They're very similar to the pre-production 95as I reviewed a few pages back, but actually feel just a tad harder and have a little more bark/screech than the preproduction 95as which is nice. Though they still have many of the same issues as the 95as.

They are wayyyyyyy better to push around and ride on, and would definitely unlock some spots that would otherwise be unskateable on 99 or 101as. In terms of powerslides and reverts, they feel weird and are less screechy and hard but slide pretty much just as good as 99a f4s when you get used to feel and sound of the slide.

However, like my review of the preproduction 95as (coreless), they have many of the same issues, just to a lesser extent. There's many situations where they still feel like a soft, cruiser/hybrid ish wheel. They will still pitch you harder if you wheelbite than a 97 or 99a f4. And compared to 97 or 99a f4s, they still feel a bit gummier to pop tricks off of which isn't good.

On waxed concrete ledges, they nose/tail/lip/bluntslide basically as good as an f4 99a. But they catch and grip a lot more if you don't lock into a perfect 5050, or pinched grind like a crook or something. They also grip and catch a lot more when climbing onto slappy grinds on concrete curbs, painted or not. On metal edges, and blunt/lipsliding wooden boxes they have a similar issue where they just catch more than a hard wheel.

I think the tldr is: if you're only concerned with initiating powerslides for speed checks/reverts... then they're basically just as good as a hard wheel/f4 once you get used to the feeling. But anything you're doing involves contact with the ledge/curb/rail where the wheel isn't sliding perfectly perpendicular, you may run into some issues because (and again I'm purely guessing here) the soft wheel cannot vibrate exactly at the frequency to replicate the slide of a hard wheel, or cannot initiate that vibration, which is how powell claims they replicate the slide of a hard wheel.

I had some of my friends, who skate f4s, try do some grinds on a ledge and some slappy crooks on this rough ish concrete curb that we all skate. They all found these 93as were significantly grippier than f4s for that. After letting them try my setup for a bit, they all loved how these wheels rode, but none of them would be willilng to switch from f4s to these.

I think if I was skating ground that I really struggled with on 99a f4s, or pretty much deemed unskateable on 99a f4s... then these would be really really good. But if the ground is not too uncomfortable or manageable on 99a f4s, I would prefer the f4s if it involved any kind of slide or grind action. Heck, I think overall I'd even prefer 97a f4s which still feel a lot harder than these 93as when just riding and are more versatile on grinds/slides on a variety of surfaces, albeit not as good as 99a f4s.. Again, like my previous impressions, these 93a powells feel like a hybrid wheel, whereas I'd categorize f4 99as, and even 97as as hard wheels that are pretty versatile.

So yeah, very very good wheel, I'm shocked they could make something of this durometer slide so good... but still, I'd only go for them if 97/99 f4s are giving you serious trouble on whatever you're skating. I would definitely consider trying the production 95a or 97as when they drop, but I've also spent wayyy too much money of these preproduction and production samples up until now.

edit: all the mentions of 97, 99 or 101a I'm referring to spitfire f4s. Also my current f4s are og classics, and wider than the v1 93a 54mm I have, so any grip/friction from the wheel would be purely from the formula, not wheel shape discrepancy

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on July 23, 2022, 02:19:09 PM
i have a question about ricta clouds, the 86a precisely. i really love the classic ones, but now they released two new versions chrome core and normal cored clouds. do they feel the same or even better ? i really like the classic older version with the letter on the side so i really fear a change in the feel with urethane + core.
also, i use them primarily when i cruise in downhill because you can really power slide them easier than other soft wheels, though, still they do have a lot of grip. dream wheel. do people have rode the new ones ? what's your thoughts ?

also, did slapers rode 92a for the same purposes ? i didnt tried, i'm on my third set of 86a, about to be so small i will need new ones soon, are 92a still grippy ? i figured maybe they dont get so little so fast, i just pslide them all day on bad roads so they quickly go little but they still are perfect until 47 48 mm starting from 55-56-57.

thanks for the insights
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Thebird on July 23, 2022, 03:08:39 PM
Thanks for all of the info on the 93a's.  Sounds like they may be slightly too soft and I should wait for the 95's for something more clmparable to the f4 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 23, 2022, 05:28:06 PM

Bright white STFs were great. The new batches are just weird, the 103s feel like what you'd think a 99a STF *should* feel like, to me anyway...the 99a feel closer to the 97a spits but a bit more slidey.

I bought STF 103s last year after having about 6 previous sets.  I remember checking the graphics multiple times to make sure they weren't 99s.  I also bought some 99s about the same time, and they are different.

I don't mind the newer 103s that aren't as chattery, but have been doing SPF in the super smooth parks and F4s (both 99s and 101s) elsewhere.  I probably should figure out where I put them and give them another shot.

My local has some of the 93a Dragons for $36 and I'm tempted, but given that I usually like 101+ I'm holding off for the 95s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 23, 2022, 05:36:54 PM
I mentioned this before but years ago bones did the ditchtech, which I believe was a softer SPF….94? I really enjoyed the wheel but they discontinued them and when I wrote to bones, GP mentioned they weren’t happy with the wheel… well…it’s like 7 years later or something and I think these new dragon wheels replace them.  They are in it for the long game and have their vision, it’s not all about current demand.  It’s a good idea to market them separately. 

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on July 23, 2022, 06:26:57 PM
DTF were 90a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 23, 2022, 07:46:54 PM
Exactly….

https://bones.com/bones-wheels-shadow-dtf-wheel-58mm-4pk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on July 24, 2022, 05:37:53 AM
Definitely don’t think these production 93as are a full on replacement for f4s.

They're very similar to the pre-production 95as I reviewed a few pages back, but actually feel just a tad harder and have a little more bark/screech than the preproduction 95as which is nice. Though they still have many of the same issues as the 95as.

They are wayyyyyyy better to push around and ride on, and would definitely unlock some spots that would otherwise be unskateable on 99 or 101as. In terms of powerslides and reverts, they feel weird and are less screechy and hard but slide pretty much just as good as 99a f4s when you get used to feel and sound of the slide.

However, like my review of the preproduction 95as (coreless), they have many of the same issues, just to a lesser extent. There's many situations where they still feel like a soft, cruiser/hybrid ish wheel. They will still pitch you harder if you wheelbite than a 97 or 99a f4. And compared to 97 or 99a f4s, they still feel a bit gummier to pop tricks off of which isn't good.

On waxed concrete ledges, they nose/tail/lip/bluntslide basically as good as an f4 99a. But they catch and grip a lot more if you don't lock into a perfect 5050, or pinched grind like a crook or something. They also grip and catch a lot more when climbing onto slappy grinds on concrete curbs, painted or not. On metal edges, and blunt/lipsliding wooden boxes they have a similar issue where they just catch more than a hard wheel.

I think the tldr is: if you're only concerned with initiating powerslides for speed checks/reverts... then they're basically just as good as a hard wheel/f4 once you get used to the feeling. But anything you're doing involves contact with the ledge/curb/rail where the wheel isn't sliding perfectly perpendicular, you may run into some issues because (and again I'm purely guessing here) the soft wheel cannot vibrate exactly at the frequency to replicate the slide of a hard wheel, or cannot initiate that vibration, which is how powell claims they replicate the slide of a hard wheel.

I had some of my friends, who skate f4s, try do some grinds on a ledge and some slappy crooks on this rough ish concrete curb that we all skate. They all found these 93as were significantly grippier than f4s for that. After letting them try my setup for a bit, they all loved how these wheels rode, but none of them would be willilng to switch from f4s to these.

I think if I was skating ground that I really struggled with on 99a f4s, or pretty much deemed unskateable on 99a f4s... then these would be really really good. But if the ground is not too uncomfortable or manageable on 99a f4s, I would prefer the f4s if it involved any kind of slide or grind action. Heck, I think overall I'd even prefer 97a f4s which still feel a lot harder than these 93as when just riding and are more versatile on grinds/slides on a variety of surfaces, albeit not as good as 99a f4s.. Again, like my previous impressions, these 93a powells feel like a hybrid wheel, whereas I'd categorize f4 99as, and even 97as as hard wheels that are pretty versatile.

So yeah, very very good wheel, I'm shocked they could make something of this durometer slide so good... but still, I'd only go for them if 97/99 f4s are giving you serious trouble on whatever you're skating. I would definitely consider trying the production 95a or 97as when they drop, but I've also spent wayyy too much money of these preproduction and production samples up until now.

edit: all the mentions of 97, 99 or 101a I'm referring to spitfire f4s. Also my current f4s are og classics, and wider than the v1 93a 54mm I have, so any grip/friction from the wheel would be purely from the formula, not wheel shape discrepancy

I definately agree that they climb up curbs for slappies. When cross locking frontside 5050s on round bars I noticed I had to change my technique a little because the. Ack wheel was climbing over the rail causing me to go into over willie.
I also don’t know if it has been mentioned but they are heavier than hard wheels as well. Other than that really fun smooth ride and love sliding them!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 24, 2022, 08:15:14 AM
I think if you’re a quiver guy….you’re gonna make use of these wheels…..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 24, 2022, 12:33:59 PM
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Bright white STFs were great. The new batches are just weird, the 103s feel like what you'd think a 99a STF *should* feel like, to me anyway...the 99a feel closer to the 97a spits but a bit more slidey.
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I bought STF 103s last year after having about 6 previous sets.  I remember checking the graphics multiple times to make sure they weren't 99s.  I also bought some 99s about the same time, and they are different.

I don't mind the newer 103s that aren't as chattery, but have been doing SPF in the super smooth parks and F4s (both 99s and 101s) elsewhere.  I probably should figure out where I put them and give them another shot.

My local has some of the 93a Dragons for $36 and I'm tempted, but given that I usually like 101+ I'm holding off for the 95s.


I've been riding the newer 103a stfs off and on and have grown to accept what they are, like  you said, a less chattery 103 stf; they're still better than the stf 99s for me and they slide better than the 99a spits I usually ride (especially for ledge/curb slide tricks).

I'm not 100% sure, but I'd take the bet, that the 103a formula got switched around right after they killed off the first wave of bright white EZ streets and switched over to the natural coloring (which has gotten lighter in color since the 'dirty birds').

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on July 24, 2022, 01:32:42 PM
Whelp, it was good while it lasted, but my NFG 95a’s have developed significant bearing seat stretch - like bearing stays on the axle. They’re still ok, but I can definitely tell somethings fucky on smooth surfaces.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dwyck on July 24, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
I had a great set ricta clouds in college - high 80s or something like that. 55s. I was having an uncreative moment where I had two sets of indy 149s and would just retire my 8.5s to the cruiser. I went to school in the hudson valley and most of campus was crusty as shit, especially outside of the April-November window. So I'd jump down stuff and skate flat on my cruiser sometimes. I now have keyframes in the quiver and they feel pretty much the same. Soft but not bouncy, will slide on a slappy crook or a speed check. I would probably run rictas as soon as I would OJs; Spitfire's soft stuff Ive yet to have a great experience with
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 25, 2022, 01:37:18 AM
Put the commercial release PP 93a Dragons on a new board and I had a few observations...

I'm now on different trucks, bushings, and different deck so its hard to do a 1:1 comparison...

1) I noticed side by side that the official release ones are a bit darker (I'll post a photo tomorrow) than the more white pre-release ones.

2) The official wheels roll faster than the pre-release ones. And its NOT a bearing difference because I haven't cleaned/lubed these bearings since the pre-release ones had them in. Maybe its possible that its because the new wheels still have treads on them (if that even affects speed?) but they definitely roll better.

3?) The the wheel feels slightly different in terms of vibrating less(?) and sound being slightly lower pitched? Its not a negative or a positive. It might be a few different factors. BBS wood for these new wheels vs. PS Stix before, Indy hollow trucks vs. Ace Classic before, and maybe the different bushings (top bushing is a soft Bones) are absorbing/affecting some of the vibrations (if that is a thing?). I still have to skate them some more. Might pop them on my old set-up just to see. I just assume its the difference in the rest of the setup (specifically BBS wood).

As far as I can tell everything else is pretty much the same... but I'll keep riding them and see.

Either way, still loving these wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 25, 2022, 02:30:43 AM
Put the commercial release PP 93a Dragons on a new board and I had a few observations...

I'm now on different trucks, bushings, and different deck so its hard to do a 1:1 comparison...

1) I noticed side by side that the official release ones are a bit darker (I'll post a photo tomorrow) than the more white pre-release ones.

2) The official wheels roll faster than the pre-release ones. And its NOT a bearing difference because I haven't cleaned/lubed these bearings since the pre-release ones had them in. Maybe its possible that its because the new wheels still have treads on them (if that even affects speed?) but they definitely roll better.

3?) The the wheel feels slightly different in terms of vibrating less(?) and sound being slightly lower pitched? Its not a negative or a positive. It might be a few different factors. BBS wood for these new wheels vs. PS Stix before, Indy hollow trucks vs. Ace Classic before, and maybe the different bushings (top bushing is a soft Bones) are absorbing/affecting some of the vibrations (if that is a thing?). I still have to skate them some more. Might pop them on my old set-up just to see. I just assume its the difference in the rest of the setup (specifically BBS wood).

As far as I can tell everything else is pretty much the same... but I'll keep riding them and see.

Either way, still loving these wheels.


Even if I don't say it, I always appreciate all the info in your posts about those wheels.

Not sure if or when any will reach Australia, or if there will be many available, because I do feel spoilt to have been able to get wholesale access at one point but no longer have those shop account connections, so the likelihood of me buying any is remote but the sure do sound interesting and people I know have already been asking me about them too.


In trying the Mini logo 90 and 95 duro wheels a while back, I was surprised how fast they rolled over everything, when compared to some other brands, formulas and similar durometers.

Powell / Bones (and by default Mini Logo) productions are definitely top notch in the wheel departments.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on July 25, 2022, 07:08:58 AM
Whelp, it was good while it lasted, but my NFG 95a’s have developed significant bearing seat stretch - like bearing stays on the axle. They’re still ok, but I can definitely tell somethings fucky on smooth surfaces.

wild, what shape & how long have you been on them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 25, 2022, 07:55:34 AM
I see OJ Superjuice now also come in 87a. Anyone tried those yet?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on July 25, 2022, 08:57:32 AM
I got my PP prototypes a few days ago, most of them were cored but whatever. What was surprising (and kind of annoying) was 2 sets of the 54mm (95a / 97a) were big and fat, they almost looked like cruiser wheels. I measured them and they were 36mm wide, wider than a Conical Full and closer to a Classic Full. The rest were V1 / V2 shapes, but I don't see myself riding these monster wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 25, 2022, 07:07:08 PM
I got my PP prototypes a few days ago, most of them were cored but whatever. What was surprising (and kind of annoying) was 2 sets of the 54mm (95a / 97a) were big and fat, they almost looked like cruiser wheels. I measured them and they were 36mm wide, wider than a Conical Full and closer to a Conical Full. The rest were V1 / V2 shapes, but I don't see myself riding these monster wheels.


Damn those bigger ones would be so good for my comfortable wheel size and shape.

I have too many anyway, including some Mini Logo 56 mm 95 duro which are great as a stand alone wheel too, but are probably the closest in size and shape to those ones.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on July 26, 2022, 06:36:52 AM
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Whelp, it was good while it lasted, but my NFG 95a’s have developed significant bearing seat stretch - like bearing stays on the axle. They’re still ok, but I can definitely tell somethings fucky on smooth surfaces.
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wild, what shape & how long have you been on them?

56mm Vs. Early May. Really, not a lot of hours in that time, either - still some life in the deck they were.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beatifk on July 26, 2022, 07:11:33 AM
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Whelp, it was good while it lasted, but my NFG 95a’s have developed significant bearing seat stretch - like bearing stays on the axle. They’re still ok, but I can definitely tell somethings fucky on smooth surfaces.
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wild, what shape & how long have you been on them?
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56mm Vs. Early May. Really, not a lot of hours in that time, either - still some life in the deck they were.

Is it super hot where you live?

I took my 95a set off for the summer because they seemed to be getting softer in the extreme heat (I do most of my skating during my mid-day break and it's usually over 35*C), but it could've all been in my imagination.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on July 26, 2022, 11:07:43 AM
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Whelp, it was good while it lasted, but my NFG 95a’s have developed significant bearing seat stretch - like bearing stays on the axle. They’re still ok, but I can definitely tell somethings fucky on smooth surfaces.
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wild, what shape & how long have you been on them?
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56mm Vs. Early May. Really, not a lot of hours in that time, either - still some life in the deck they were.
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Is it super hot where you live?

I took my 95a set off for the summer because they seemed to be getting softer in the extreme heat (I do most of my skating during my mid-day break and it's usually over 35*C), but it could've all been in my imagination.

It's rarely very hot here and I haven't tested my 93s in these conditions, but I definitely noticed that my Spitfire 97a wheels behaved very differently when the temperature was over ~80-85°. Soft and mushy, similar to how they felt if they ever got too wet. I suspect that softer wheels, being less dense and more porous, are both more sensitive to temperature changes and more absorbent of water (ambient or on the ground).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 26, 2022, 12:22:57 PM
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Whelp, it was good while it lasted, but my NFG 95a’s have developed significant bearing seat stretch - like bearing stays on the axle. They’re still ok, but I can definitely tell somethings fucky on smooth surfaces.
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wild, what shape & how long have you been on them?
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56mm Vs. Early May. Really, not a lot of hours in that time, either - still some life in the deck they were.
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Is it super hot where you live?

I took my 95a set off for the summer because they seemed to be getting softer in the extreme heat (I do most of my skating during my mid-day break and it's usually over 35*C), but it could've all been in my imagination.
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It's rarely very hot here and I haven't tested my 93s in these conditions, but I definitely noticed that my Spitfire 97a wheels behaved very differently when the temperature was over ~80-85°. Soft and mushy, similar to how they felt if they ever got too wet. I suspect that softer wheels, being less dense and more porous, are both more sensitive to temperature changes and more absorbent of water (ambient or on the ground).

In my experience, SPF is the only wheel that’s not affected by extreme heat. Went on a road trip a few weeks ago and it was like 95 degrees one day. My 99a F4s were feeling noticeably slower than usual and it was frustrating
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 26, 2022, 12:45:38 PM
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Definitely don’t think these production 93as are a full on replacement for f4s.

They're very similar to the pre-production 95as I reviewed a few pages back, but actually feel just a tad harder and have a little more bark/screech than the preproduction 95as which is nice. Though they still have many of the same issues as the 95as.

They are wayyyyyyy better to push around and ride on, and would definitely unlock some spots that would otherwise be unskateable on 99 or 101as. In terms of powerslides and reverts, they feel weird and are less screechy and hard but slide pretty much just as good as 99a f4s when you get used to feel and sound of the slide.

However, like my review of the preproduction 95as (coreless), they have many of the same issues, just to a lesser extent. There's many situations where they still feel like a soft, cruiser/hybrid ish wheel. They will still pitch you harder if you wheelbite than a 97 or 99a f4. And compared to 97 or 99a f4s, they still feel a bit gummier to pop tricks off of which isn't good.

On waxed concrete ledges, they nose/tail/lip/bluntslide basically as good as an f4 99a. But they catch and grip a lot more if you don't lock into a perfect 5050, or pinched grind like a crook or something. They also grip and catch a lot more when climbing onto slappy grinds on concrete curbs, painted or not. On metal edges, and blunt/lipsliding wooden boxes they have a similar issue where they just catch more than a hard wheel.

I think the tldr is: if you're only concerned with initiating powerslides for speed checks/reverts... then they're basically just as good as a hard wheel/f4 once you get used to the feeling. But anything you're doing involves contact with the ledge/curb/rail where the wheel isn't sliding perfectly perpendicular, you may run into some issues because (and again I'm purely guessing here) the soft wheel cannot vibrate exactly at the frequency to replicate the slide of a hard wheel, or cannot initiate that vibration, which is how powell claims they replicate the slide of a hard wheel.

I had some of my friends, who skate f4s, try do some grinds on a ledge and some slappy crooks on this rough ish concrete curb that we all skate. They all found these 93as were significantly grippier than f4s for that. After letting them try my setup for a bit, they all loved how these wheels rode, but none of them would be willilng to switch from f4s to these.

I think if I was skating ground that I really struggled with on 99a f4s, or pretty much deemed unskateable on 99a f4s... then these would be really really good. But if the ground is not too uncomfortable or manageable on 99a f4s, I would prefer the f4s if it involved any kind of slide or grind action. Heck, I think overall I'd even prefer 97a f4s which still feel a lot harder than these 93as when just riding and are more versatile on grinds/slides on a variety of surfaces, albeit not as good as 99a f4s.. Again, like my previous impressions, these 93a powells feel like a hybrid wheel, whereas I'd categorize f4 99as, and even 97as as hard wheels that are pretty versatile.

So yeah, very very good wheel, I'm shocked they could make something of this durometer slide so good... but still, I'd only go for them if 97/99 f4s are giving you serious trouble on whatever you're skating. I would definitely consider trying the production 95a or 97as when they drop, but I've also spent wayyy too much money of these preproduction and production samples up until now.

edit: all the mentions of 97, 99 or 101a I'm referring to spitfire f4s. Also my current f4s are og classics, and wider than the v1 93a 54mm I have, so any grip/friction from the wheel would be purely from the formula, not wheel shape discrepancy
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I definately agree that they climb up curbs for slappies. When cross locking frontside 5050s on round bars I noticed I had to change my technique a little because the. Ack wheel was climbing over the rail causing me to go into over willie.
I also don’t know if it has been mentioned but they are heavier than hard wheels as well. Other than that really fun smooth ride and love sliding them!

Oh opposite experience for me. The grip and catch when they go up the sidewalls, so its harder to get into a slappy grind and when you get in they grip noticeably more. Didn't get to skate a round rail, but based on my experience with them on curbs and certain ledges, I definitely wouldn't want to do 5050s on round bars with these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on July 26, 2022, 01:05:13 PM
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Whelp, it was good while it lasted, but my NFG 95a’s have developed significant bearing seat stretch - like bearing stays on the axle. They’re still ok, but I can definitely tell somethings fucky on smooth surfaces.
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wild, what shape & how long have you been on them?
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56mm Vs. Early May. Really, not a lot of hours in that time, either - still some life in the deck they were.
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Is it super hot where you live?

I took my 95a set off for the summer because they seemed to be getting softer in the extreme heat (I do most of my skating during my mid-day break and it's usually over 35*C), but it could've all been in my imagination.
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It's rarely very hot here and I haven't tested my 93s in these conditions, but I definitely noticed that my Spitfire 97a wheels behaved very differently when the temperature was over ~80-85°. Soft and mushy, similar to how they felt if they ever got too wet. I suspect that softer wheels, being less dense and more porous, are both more sensitive to temperature changes and more absorbent of water (ambient or on the ground).
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In my experience, SPF is the only wheel that’s not affected by extreme heat. Went on a road trip a few weeks ago and it was like 95 degrees one day. My 99a F4s were feeling noticeably slower than usual and it was frustrating

Nah. Average high in July is 77*F/25*C.  I think it’s just a combo of wheel formula, wide board/trucks acting as a long lever and a heavy-ish old man doing a lot of slashy, slappy-type skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Damoforce on July 26, 2022, 08:52:17 PM
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Put the commercial release PP 93a Dragons on a new board and I had a few observations...

I'm now on different trucks, bushings, and different deck so its hard to do a 1:1 comparison...

1) I noticed side by side that the official release ones are a bit darker (I'll post a photo tomorrow) than the more white pre-release ones.

2) The official wheels roll faster than the pre-release ones. And its NOT a bearing difference because I haven't cleaned/lubed these bearings since the pre-release ones had them in. Maybe its possible that its because the new wheels still have treads on them (if that even affects speed?) but they definitely roll better.

3?) The the wheel feels slightly different in terms of vibrating less(?) and sound being slightly lower pitched? Its not a negative or a positive. It might be a few different factors. BBS wood for these new wheels vs. PS Stix before, Indy hollow trucks vs. Ace Classic before, and maybe the different bushings (top bushing is a soft Bones) are absorbing/affecting some of the vibrations (if that is a thing?). I still have to skate them some more. Might pop them on my old set-up just to see. I just assume its the difference in the rest of the setup (specifically BBS wood).

As far as I can tell everything else is pretty much the same... but I'll keep riding them and see.

Either way, still loving these wheels.
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Even if I don't say it, I always appreciate all the info in your posts about those wheels.

Not sure if or when any will reach Australia, or if there will be many available, because I do feel spoilt to have been able to get wholesale access at one point but no longer have those shop account connections, so the likelihood of me buying any is remote but the sure do sound interesting and people I know have already been asking me about them too.


In trying the Mini logo 90 and 95 duro wheels a while back, I was surprised how fast they rolled over everything, when compared to some other brands, formulas and similar durometers.

Powell / Bones (and by default Mini Logo) productions are definitely top notch in the wheel departments.

I hope these make it to Australia, keen to try the 52mm just out of curiosity really.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on July 26, 2022, 11:51:44 PM
so i been on the snot wheel boogerthane 99a for a month or so now. at first they were super grippy. Like i was genuinely terrified to do revert tricks on transition. after about a week they got better and now they are sliding great. still grippier than a 99a formula 4 but still pretty nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 30, 2022, 09:48:10 AM
Dragons 93 - 54mm V1 shape.

I was going to hold off for the 95s, but the shop had a 20% off sale.

I have a lot of wheels.  SPF, STF 103 and 99s in multiple shapes/sizes, F4 101 and 99s in multiple shapes/sizes,  NFG 95s and now the Dragon 93s.   54 is my go-to size, but I have 51-56mm. 

I put them on and rode around the block.  Not surprisingly, they were very good.  Similar speed and comfort to the NFGs, which are nicer than any of the others on this pavement.  And they slid - just like everyone says.   It wasn't an actual session though - just fucking around for 10 minutes.

I usually skate at a transition park that is only 5 years old with super smooth concrete - so where the 93s are not remotely necessary.  Perfect place to try them for the first real session.

I warmed up for 5-10 minutes on a board with  F4 101 conical 54mm and Quantum Atoms.  It's a good all around wheel and I've spent a decent amount of time on lately.

The Dragons are set up with just broken in Big Balls Reds, which are a pretty good bearing.  First drop in was super odd.  There isn't the noise I am accustomed to.  Normally you get the audible feedback of exactly how fast you are going and that doesn't exist with these.  Without the noise it SOUNDED like I was going slow, but I wasn't.  They are softer and the feel matched that - which usually means slow, but they weren't.   It was a super hard disconnect for my brain.  They "felt" a little slower, but I wasn't having problems hitting as many walls as normal and I still seemed to be hitting them fast enough.   I skated them for a lot of the session and had a good time. They didn't limit me, but I never got accustomed to the silence.

I did a super un-scientific coasting distance test where I rolled into the park on one particular line with no pumping to see how far I get.  Dragons put me as far as the F4 101s.  In the past I have done the same line with 52mm F4 99s and not made it as far. 

I then pulled out another board with F4 99a conical 54mm and VXB Ceramics.  F4 99s are just a little slower than 101s and if you didn't skate them back to back in this park you would be happy with the 99 speed.  That's how the Dragons felt at this point.  Similar in speed to the 99s.

Then I grabbed my bigger setup I often use at this park with SPF 104 56mm and Swiss 6.   Per usual, this is just a faster setup here and so nice.  But SPFs are useless if it's not a super smooth park.  I'll still probably run SPFs here, but if I only had one board to ride everywhere, the Dragons would be a better choice.

I need to spend more time on them - but they are really good.  Speed in smooth stuff like an F4 99, but faster on crust.  Not a "quiver killer" wheel for me - but now I'm super curious about the 95s when they come out next month. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TastyBurrito on July 30, 2022, 10:09:01 AM
Has anyone used the OJ Nomad for curb skating? I usually use my Spitfire classics for curbs as I like the round shape. But I have a pair laying around and wanted to know people’s experience with them before I switch them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 30, 2022, 10:26:37 AM
@backinaction

Do they remind you of the wheels of our youth?

Specifically G Bones, Bullets, or Slimeballs which in 89’ is all I recall anyone riding.

I haven’t pulled the trigger yet because I feel like the contact patch should be wider. I think if the wheel was a full conical it would be more interesting. Probably wouldn’t slide as well but I can’t see buying these wheels if blunt or lip slides were a big part of your skating.

That said, I am gonna buy the 56mm version with the wider cut. Not as wide as I like but after riding Rough Riders as my primary wheel I really trust in Powell technology.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 30, 2022, 11:05:09 AM
@backinaction

Do they remind you of the wheels of our youth?

Specifically G Bones, Bullets, or Slimeballs which in 89’ is all I recall anyone riding.

I haven’t pulled the trigger yet because I feel like the contact patch should be wider. I think if the wheel was a full conical it would be more interesting. Probably wouldn’t slide as well but I can’t see buying these wheels if blunt or lip slides were a big part of your skating.

That said, I am gonna buy the 56mm version with the wider cut. Not as wide as I like but after riding Rough Riders as my primary wheel I really trust in Powell technology.

I started out in '87 with Slimeballs.  By 89 or so I was using G&S Plaid.   I don't even remember what I was using past that, and I stopped in 93. I could name almost every deck I skated out of the 20 or so in that time and every truck, but not wheels.  If it was roundish it was good enough.   Way different mentality then picking it up again at 40 and buying shit out of curiosity. 

I think the 56mm V6 would be a sweet wheel for older guys that don't want a super hard wheel.  It's almost as fast in the smooth parks and less slippery, but can skate a ditch.   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on July 30, 2022, 11:27:04 AM
Has anyone used the OJ Nomad for curb skating? I usually use my Spitfire classics for curbs as I like the round shape. But I have a pair laying around and wanted to know people’s experience with them before I switch them out.

I’ve had a few sets. They’re a decent “soft-side-of-hard” wheel, but I always feel like the skinny shape is weird for riding crust. That said, they do give you some extra space in the middle because they’re narrow, so they’re actually not too bad for curbs, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TastyBurrito on July 30, 2022, 11:49:23 AM
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Has anyone used the OJ Nomad for curb skating? I usually use my Spitfire classics for curbs as I like the round shape. But I have a pair laying around and wanted to know people’s experience with them before I switch them out.
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I’ve had a few sets. They’re a decent “soft-side-of-hard” wheel, but I always feel like the skinny shape is weird for riding crust. That said, they do give you some extra space in the middle because they’re narrow, so they’re actually not too bad for curbs, in my opinion.

Thank you. I’ll give em a shot. Might as well use wjat I have instead of dropping $$ on another set of wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: breezer on July 30, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
By 89 or so I was using G&S Plaid.
I still have a set!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 30, 2022, 12:20:12 PM
I did the same exact speed test but with the same board and bearings exactly. It was pretty easy I dropped in and pressed start on my phone and timed how long it took to each a specific feature. Stiff legged, no pumping. The 93 and 95 prototypes were a few seconds slower to the point where I couldn't have grinded the box I was pushing towards. Hoping the 95 production are faster.

On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 30, 2022, 01:52:03 PM
On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.

I will say I wasn't grinding as well on the dragons board this morning, but I had been blaming it more on the trucks.  On the F4 board I had a recent slappy session on a curb that was so waxed that it deposited about 1/2 lb of it in the trucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on July 30, 2022, 02:02:20 PM
By 89 or so I was using G&S Plaid.
I still have a set!

Nice!  Mine were pink, and I believe 95s.  Here they are on a Circle A Bob Schmelzer with some Gullwing Pro III.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 30, 2022, 03:06:41 PM
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On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.
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I will say I wasn't grinding as well on the dragons board this morning, but I had been blaming it more on the trucks.  On the F4 board I had a recent slappy session on a curb that was so waxed that it deposited about 1/2 lb of it in the trucks.


There is no question that the dragons noticeably drag on grinds if you compare side by side with f4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 31, 2022, 02:00:45 PM
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On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.
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I will say I wasn't grinding as well on the dragons board this morning, but I had been blaming it more on the trucks.  On the F4 board I had a recent slappy session on a curb that was so waxed that it deposited about 1/2 lb of it in the trucks.
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There is no question that the dragons noticeably drag on grinds if you compare side by side with f4s

In general when it comes to grinds, it's also worth thinking about wheel shape because that will compound any issues with drag that the formula might have.

V1 and V4 should theoretically drag less than V6 I think. Not sure which would be better between V1 or V4 though. Maybe V4??? Maybe depends on the grind?
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Post by: goodatmeth on July 31, 2022, 02:03:37 PM
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On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.
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I will say I wasn't grinding as well on the dragons board this morning, but I had been blaming it more on the trucks.  On the F4 board I had a recent slappy session on a curb that was so waxed that it deposited about 1/2 lb of it in the trucks.
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There is no question that the dragons noticeably drag on grinds if you compare side by side with f4s
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In general when it comes to grinds, it's also worth thinking about wheel shape because that will compound any issues with drag that the formula might have.

V1 and V4 should theoretically drag less than V6 I think. Not sure which would be better between V1 or V4 though. Maybe V4??? Maybe depends on the grind?

Why would the V6 drag more? The whole point of the sidecut design is less drag and at least on V5 99a wheels I ride that seems to work really well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 31, 2022, 02:22:54 PM
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On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.
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I will say I wasn't grinding as well on the dragons board this morning, but I had been blaming it more on the trucks.  On the F4 board I had a recent slappy session on a curb that was so waxed that it deposited about 1/2 lb of it in the trucks.
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There is no question that the dragons noticeably drag on grinds if you compare side by side with f4s
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In general when it comes to grinds, it's also worth thinking about wheel shape because that will compound any issues with drag that the formula might have.

V1 and V4 should theoretically drag less than V6 I think. Not sure which would be better between V1 or V4 though. Maybe V4??? Maybe depends on the grind?
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Why would the V6 drag more? The whole point of the sidecut design is less drag and at least on V5 99a wheels I ride that seems to work really well.

From my understanding (I could be wrong, personally I disagree with Bones descriptions) that sharp cut can kind of dig in on certain grinds or surfaces (coping?) while a radial edge minimizes the contract point and how much it digs in.

As I understand it, the main point of the sidecut is to minimize weight and give a stable surface with the defined riding surface edge. If you compare a radial wide (V4) and a widecut (V6) wheel side by side, the weight reduction becomes apparent.

I'm sure the V5/V6 have less drag than a lock-in/tablet... But I would bet money a radial shapes would have equal or less drag compared to a sidecut.

This is coming from someone who's favorite wheel is V6, not really a fan of Radial wheels.

I'd love to hear if others have had a different experience.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 31, 2022, 02:46:12 PM
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On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.
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I will say I wasn't grinding as well on the dragons board this morning, but I had been blaming it more on the trucks.  On the F4 board I had a recent slappy session on a curb that was so waxed that it deposited about 1/2 lb of it in the trucks.
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There is no question that the dragons noticeably drag on grinds if you compare side by side with f4s
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In general when it comes to grinds, it's also worth thinking about wheel shape because that will compound any issues with drag that the formula might have.

V1 and V4 should theoretically drag less than V6 I think. Not sure which would be better between V1 or V4 though. Maybe V4??? Maybe depends on the grind?
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Why would the V6 drag more? The whole point of the sidecut design is less drag and at least on V5 99a wheels I ride that seems to work really well.
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From my understanding (I could be wrong, personally I disagree with Bones descriptions) that sharp cut can kind of dig in on certain grinds or surfaces (coping?) while a radial edge minimizes the contract point and how much it digs in.

As I understand it, the main point of the sidecut is to minimize weight and give a stable surface with the defined riding surface edge. If you compare a radial wide (V4) and a widecut (V6) wheel side by side, the weight reduction becomes apparent.

I'm sure the V5/V6 have less drag than a lock-in/tablet... But I would bet money a radial shapes would have equal or less drag compared to a sidecut.

This is coming from someone who's favorite wheel is V6, not really a fan of Radial wheels.

I'd love to hear if others have had a different experience.

While that makes total sense, I've had the complete opposite experience with spitfire radials. I kept getting stuck, even on a bs 5-0 on coping and had to change my technique a bit. That might not be the shapes fault tough, pretty much everything about this set of radials I have sucks. Wobbling, chunking and sticking. Spitfire keeps going strong on ignoring my warranty claims about it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 31, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
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From my understanding (I could be wrong, personally I disagree with Bones descriptions) that sharp cut can kind of dig in on certain grinds or surfaces (coping?) while a radial edge minimizes the contract point and how much it digs in.

As I understand it, the main point of the sidecut is to minimize weight and give a stable surface with the defined riding surface edge. If you compare a radial wide (V4) and a widecut (V6) wheel side by side, the weight reduction becomes apparent.

I'm sure the V5/V6 have less drag than a lock-in/tablet... But I would bet money a radial shapes would have equal or less drag compared to a sidecut.

This is coming from someone who's favorite wheel is V6, not really a fan of Radial wheels.

I'd love to hear if others have had a different experience.
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While that makes total sense, I've had the complete opposite experience with spitfire radials. I kept getting stuck, even on a bs 5-0 on coping and had to change my technique a bit. That might not be the shapes fault tough, pretty much everything about this set of radials I have sucks. Wobbling, chunking and sticking. Spitfire keeps going strong on ignoring my warranty claims about it.

Hmm... Try sending a video with audio for the wobbling issue. Was it the Radial Full? I had the same issue and they accepted my warranty after a few weeks because of the audio and I still had the packaging stuff on hand.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on July 31, 2022, 07:20:56 PM
I snagged a set of the big boy Dragons (56mm Wide-Cut/V6 shape). These are definitely a high-caliber rough pavement wheel that I will ride regularly for that type of of terrain. I didn’t get the feeling that I was skating anything revolutionary as they feel and sound very much like 97A Spits to me, but they are noticeably faster and slide better. Really nice wheel. Probably puts my Keyframes out of business if I'm honest.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on July 31, 2022, 09:26:23 PM
Probably puts my Keyframes out of business if I'm honest.

a bold statement but i believe it from what else everyone has posted already. and this is probably the strongest selling point mentioned so far (for me).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mick on July 31, 2022, 09:42:17 PM
Also got some 56 V6 93A Dragons. Had my first sesh today. Normally a formula four guy but these were a nice change up. It's kinda crazy how smooth and fast they feel (typical to soft-ish wheels) but still slide??? Definitely could be the wide cut gripping more but they seem to slide better on crappy pavement than perfectly smooth skatepark ground (But still slide decent at parks). At first they made very little noise when sliding but towards the end of the session they started screeching a lil like F4s but still don't feel the same obviously. I had 99 F4s on a standby deck and they just feel so terrible on rough ground compared to the Powells, but again obviously because the durometer difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 01, 2022, 12:08:38 AM
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Probably puts my Keyframes out of business if I'm honest.
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a bold statement but i believe it from what else everyone has posted already. and this is probably the strongest selling point mentioned so far (for me).

I feel like I'm definitely one of the people thats been more critical of these new powell/bones wheels on this thread, but I would definitely agree that these would render keyframes irrelevant.

I haven't had keyframes in a few years so this may not be perfectly accurate, but if memory serves me right, then the 93a dragons, as well as the preproduction 90a and even 95as all basically handle rough ground basically as good as a keyframe (if you get the wide ones)... maybe not quite as soft but close enough... except you can powerslide very very easily, and do grinds/ledge slides (albeit not quite as well as a true hard wheel like f4/stf as I have previously stated)

So yeah I don't really see why you would pick a keyframe over these. Keyframes were never a super soft, mash over everything cruiser wheel like the super juices. These bones/powells definitely wouldn't replace my 60mm 78a OJ super juices though... though those are on my strictly filmer/push-ten-blocks-up-the-street-to-get-food-and-back-board which I have never felt the need to powerslide on
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 01, 2022, 01:08:24 AM
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On asphalt it was no contest, but for slappies I still found that they would grip a lot. On slappy crooks they slide fine for the first 1/2, but then rapidly slow and grab. So I was torn because I skate a lot of asphalt but I mostly skate ledges, curbs, manual pads and low impact stuff where they just couldn't hold their own. Id rather do another push then grind 1/3 less on a ledge.
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I will say I wasn't grinding as well on the dragons board this morning, but I had been blaming it more on the trucks.  On the F4 board I had a recent slappy session on a curb that was so waxed that it deposited about 1/2 lb of it in the trucks.
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There is no question that the dragons noticeably drag on grinds if you compare side by side with f4s
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In general when it comes to grinds, it's also worth thinking about wheel shape because that will compound any issues with drag that the formula might have.

V1 and V4 should theoretically drag less than V6 I think. Not sure which would be better between V1 or V4 though. Maybe V4??? Maybe depends on the grind?

My dragons are the v1s as are my preproduction 95a wheels. My f4s are og classics and classics (and between those two I don't notice any difference in grind drag at all).

The only time I ever noticed wheel shape causing grind drag was with f4 tablets and lock ins compared to say classics/radial slims on round rails and specific ledges, and that was barelyyyy noticeable, splitting hairs.

With these powell/bones wheels, the drag on certain grinds is jarring. Its definitely the formula that is causing the drag, not the shape. That being said, I'm happy to have them in hand, probably set them up from time to time when I plan on skating  rougher spots/expect to be pushing more... or if I'm just tired, have low expectations for doing good tricks and want to dick around and push a little less.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 01, 2022, 06:41:07 AM
I've had the same wheel drag. I skate the same well waxed slappy curb and with production wheels I notice that about halfway through a slappy crook it feels like all of a sudden my nose is hitting a spot with no wax and that is the pinched wheel. I literally brought a second set of wheels, which are my normal 99 F4 and this doesn't happen I grind the entire section consistently. I even waxed the curb more, which helped a bit, but it's definitely not worth it for me. Maybe the 95 are better I dunno, but I wouldn't even want these on a cruiser setup that I'd slappy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Antz on August 01, 2022, 04:11:56 PM
Was wondering if anyone has had any experience with 87a OJ Super Juice wheels.  Can’t find any reviews about them online so I figured I would try here.

Are there any advantages in getting the 87a over the tried and true 78a wheels?

Thanks for the feedback
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 01, 2022, 06:31:57 PM
Was wondering if anyone has had any experience with 87a OJ Super Juice wheels.  Can’t find any reviews about them online so I figured I would try here.

Are there any advantages in getting the 87a over the tried and true 78a wheels?

Thanks for the feedback


I think I have had  set or two and to be fair, they are decent cruiser / soft wheels that are a good ride in the larger sizes, but also go fairly well in the smaller sizes too.

I will check and see and if I still have some, get back to you with more info.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Antz on August 01, 2022, 06:38:42 PM



I think I have had  set or two and to be fair, they are decent cruiser / soft wheels that are a good ride in the larger sizes, but also go fairly well in the smaller sizes too.

I will check and see and if I still have some, get back to you with more info.
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Thank you much appreciated
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on August 02, 2022, 02:55:06 AM
it looks like the size of the older super juice in 78a but with the urethane of the keyframes in 87a.
i have rode keyframes they were great, maybe that will help the super juice not to chip as easily as it would in 78a when you try 50-50 or powerslides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on August 02, 2022, 02:55:42 AM
I personally think the mini 78a ojs are a tad to soft. Feels like they deform to much when carving hard and that slows you down.
Tempted to get the 87a instead.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 02, 2022, 02:16:05 PM
First "cruise" on the Ricta Clouds. 78a in 52mm.

I was mad tired and didn't think too much while crusing around. Rolling down my usual hill here in the neighborhood. At the end of the hill is a little sewer cap I always ollie. I was already kinda fast. When I popped the ollie, that felt insane with these soft wheels. That was a big and long ollie and I was even faster when I landed. That was scary and there was no way I could run out of that speed, so I prayed and tried to stay on my board.

I think I kept rolling for like a minute until I slowed down. A really scary and fun experience and I had to smoke a cigarette when I got back to my car. My heart was pumping like crazy and I wasn't sleepy anymore.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk ya all.

TLDR , they are smooth and fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Antz on August 05, 2022, 09:14:35 PM
Has anybody had any experience with 87a oj super juice either in 55mm or the 60mm. Is it worth the bump up in duro over the 78a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lamfordie on August 06, 2022, 12:19:50 PM
https://youtu.be/6FgWbL7FlbY
Roger making some wild claims. I want to try them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on August 06, 2022, 12:33:40 PM
https://youtu.be/6FgWbL7FlbY
Roger making some wild claims. I want to try them out.

this video made me feel weird
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 06, 2022, 12:54:23 PM
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Roger making some wild claims. I want to try them out.
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this video made me feel weird

Yeah WTF, it feels like a strange paid ad or something. But like /r/InterdimentionalCable type shit. Who the fuck approved this thing on their channel? Very strange. Nine Club is on some weird vibes lately.

All that being said... these wheels really ARE amazing. It really feels like a bigger leap forward than either STF or F4 were. Once you get used to these wheels, you won't want to go back (if they fit into your skating... apparently some people don't love them as much).

EDIT: Powering through the cringe to finish this video. Definitely agree that it makes me able/want to skate more. Less pushing, and less "bullshit" slams that frustrate a session like falling on a pebble or twig or slipout. As lame an cliche as it sounds, they let me focus on skating rather than having to worry so much about the terrain I'm skating.

If you can get used to the slide... they are amazing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Goodcurbs on August 06, 2022, 05:41:22 PM
https://youtu.be/6FgWbL7FlbY
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: KGB on August 06, 2022, 05:56:47 PM
https://youtu.be/6FgWbL7FlbY
Roger making some wild claims. I want to try them out.

Roger on e confirmed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 06, 2022, 06:34:02 PM
It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 06, 2022, 06:50:21 PM
It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….

Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8n hugon on August 06, 2022, 11:02:46 PM
All the great things that people have said regarding the 93a Dragons are true. They really are magical. However, they can be slippery on transition. My normal transition wheel is 99a OJ Elite which is as grippy as a wheel gets, so I know that the comparison is not really fair. But, I slipped out on the Dragons a couple times before deciding not to use them at the park. Similarly, my friend who normally rides 99a F4 also slipped out on the Dragons. Might be because the soft feeling makes you think you can push them more, but regardless I’ll be sticking to the Elites there. So, for me they are not a ride everywhere wheel. That said, they are my ride everywhere but the transition focused skatepark wheel. I’m curious how people have found them on indoor birch or skatelite mini ramps. My guess is that they would be slippery there as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 06, 2022, 11:45:43 PM
Had 2 sessions on the 54mm 95a V1 shape, non-cored over the weekend and I'm very impressed by them. Just pushing on asphalt felt more forgiving and faster than A4. They did have a slight bounce to them with a dampened sound but far from being springy like an OJ or Ricta. I found myself going at obstacles faster than normal because they kept their speed really well.

Slides wise was a mixed bag - nose and tail slides where your weight distribution of forward / side were perfectly fine, zero stick. The stickiness was felt when doing lipslides on ledges with more weight directly over the trucks / wheels. Not pitch you forward and eat shit kind of sticky, but you'd need more wax / speed to push through.

On concrete flooring at the park I did slip out a few times when doing a hard carve to turn. But that was on day 1, after the break in I didn't slip out today.

Last plus would be the slim V1 shape, you get the benefits of a tablet with a slight rounded edge, and skinny (which Spitfire doesn't get as narrow as Bones).

Overall very impressed, the 95a was so-so for light cruising and that's closer to 93a territory. The ride to the bus stop was a more pleasant experience compared to my 52mm F4s, and during the session performed like a softer Bones 99a.

I'd like to try the 97a even though it's in a weird spot. If I wanted a tier up in hardness I'd go for the Easy Streets (99a) and if I wanted something softer I'd do 93a./
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 07, 2022, 12:00:47 AM
Had 2 sessions on the 54mm 95a V1 shape, non-cored over the weekend and I'm very impressed by them. Just pushing on asphalt felt more forgiving and faster than A4. They did have a slight bounce to them with a dampened sound but far from being springy like an OJ or Ricta. I found myself going at obstacles faster than normal because they kept their speed really well.

Slides wise was a mixed bag - nose and tail slides where your weight distribution of forward / side were perfectly fine, zero stick. The stickiness was felt when doing lipslides on ledges with more weight directly over the trucks / wheels. Not pitch you forward and eat shit kind of sticky, but you'd need more wax / speed to push through.

On concrete flooring at the park I did slip out a few times when doing a hard carve to turn. But that was on day 1, after the break in I didn't slip out today.

Last plus would be the slim V1 shape, you get the benefits of a tablet with a slight rounded edge, and skinny (which Spitfire doesn't get as narrow as Bones).

Overall very impressed, the 95a was so-so for light cruising and that's closer to 93a territory. The ride to the bus stop was a more pleasant experience compared to my 52mm F4s, and during the session performed like a softer Bones 99a.

I'd like to try the 97a even though it's in a weird spot. If I wanted a tier up in hardness I'd go for the Easy Streets (99a) and if I wanted something softer I'd do 93a./

Do you notice any drag compared to hard wheels for crooked grinds etc?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on August 07, 2022, 01:54:16 AM
Got myself a set of v6 dragons 56 93a.
For me they feel like a slighty softer 99a stf. Fast on rough ground and very slippery on asphalt. Almost exactly the same slide. Grip, grip.....almost ice out. The slide got more forgiving after the tread was gone and they started to screech.
I think I wouldn't want to ride them on slippery ramps(didn't try yet). 99a elites handle slippery ground way better.

For my usecase the 93a dragons are way better than spitfire f4. I keep them on my board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 07, 2022, 07:33:35 AM
That video is a little off-putting, but I think everything he described has been detailed to some degree by posters here. In particular, the one thing I haven't seen mentioned here (although these posts are long and I'm not always paying attention) is fatigue. I am able to skate longer with less fatigue on these wheels, especially on rough concrete which would normally jar my bones. This is a big one, hard to quantify, but I think older skaters will probably agree.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 07, 2022, 10:54:48 AM
Ricta/OJ bouncy?  Clouds maybe…regular/from concentrate/Nomad OJs maybe……but not naturals or elites.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 07, 2022, 04:08:31 PM
What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 07, 2022, 04:59:48 PM
What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.

I get this to some extent. As I've gotten older, vibrations from harder wheels on crusty ground really take a toll on my lower back, knees, and feet after awhile.. maybe tiring out isn't the best way too put it. I remember skating 92A ricta clouds for awhile and those helped but I wasn't a fan of how they slid. For what it's worth, I'm overweight and not athletic whatsoever so I guess people that fall into the same category as me might feel an improvement.

X-post from the UWTB thread in case it's interesting to folks here

I remember reading/watching a G-Slides review and the reviewer mentioned that they slid fine for a bit then started behaving more like a typical cruiser wheel. I'm curious to see how if these new joints will keep the same slide as they break in
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 07, 2022, 05:42:20 PM
What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.

You don't have exert as much energy due to not having to push as much, nor to stand up through rough terrain deceleration, etc.

Less deceleration means less overall effort required.

I think the Nine Club guy's video thing might have exaggerated the effects (he probably skated for longer because he was hyped on the wheels and that gave him the energy/motivation to skate more), but its definitely true. I skate to further spots on this wheel for a few reasons. Don't have to pick up my board as often (can ride streets that F4 99a can't), less pushing and more coasting, less getting thrown off my board unexpectedly by rocks and shit (which adds up in terms of fatigue having to catch yourself like that).

The wheels aren't perfect, but they really do make skateboarding more enjoyable overall for me. Its like a ~97a wheel without the downsides of a 97a wheel. Really impressive.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 07, 2022, 06:36:18 PM
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Had 2 sessions on the 54mm 95a V1 shape, non-cored over the weekend and I'm very impressed by them. Just pushing on asphalt felt more forgiving and faster than A4. They did have a slight bounce to them with a dampened sound but far from being springy like an OJ or Ricta. I found myself going at obstacles faster than normal because they kept their speed really well.

Slides wise was a mixed bag - nose and tail slides where your weight distribution of forward / side were perfectly fine, zero stick. The stickiness was felt when doing lipslides on ledges with more weight directly over the trucks / wheels. Not pitch you forward and eat shit kind of sticky, but you'd need more wax / speed to push through.

On concrete flooring at the park I did slip out a few times when doing a hard carve to turn. But that was on day 1, after the break in I didn't slip out today.

Last plus would be the slim V1 shape, you get the benefits of a tablet with a slight rounded edge, and skinny (which Spitfire doesn't get as narrow as Bones).

Overall very impressed, the 95a was so-so for light cruising and that's closer to 93a territory. The ride to the bus stop was a more pleasant experience compared to my 52mm F4s, and during the session performed like a softer Bones 99a.

I'd like to try the 97a even though it's in a weird spot. If I wanted a tier up in hardness I'd go for the Easy Streets (99a) and if I wanted something softer I'd do 93a./
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Do you notice any drag compared to hard wheels for crooked grinds etc?

I couldn't tell, the park I was at had the coping and top replaced so you barely feel any grind. You're right about the harsher pitch when you wheelbite versus a harder wheel.

Ricta/OJ bouncy?  Clouds maybe…regular/from concentrate/Nomad OJs maybe……but not naturals or elites.

I meant to say the Clouds 92a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Thebird on August 07, 2022, 07:16:51 PM
Can anyone share what the drag is like in angle iron?  I don't think I've seen this one covered yet.  Thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 07, 2022, 08:15:58 PM
I thought that the drag was higher on the angle iron at my local park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 07, 2022, 08:23:52 PM
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You don't have exert as much energy due to not having to push as much, nor to stand up through rough terrain deceleration, etc.

Less deceleration means less overall effort required.

I think the Nine Club guy's video thing might have exaggerated the effects (he probably skated for longer because he was hyped on the wheels and that gave him the energy/motivation to skate more), but its definitely true. I skate to further spots on this wheel for a few reasons. Don't have to pick up my board as often (can ride streets that F4 99a can't), less pushing and more coasting, less getting thrown off my board unexpectedly by rocks and shit (which adds up in terms of fatigue having to catch yourself like that).

The wheels aren't perfect, but they really do make skateboarding more enjoyable overall for me. Its like a ~97a wheel without the downsides of a 97a wheel. Really impressive.

I could see that if you have to commute via skateboard. The number of pushes is lower, but I don't see this being a massive difference in cardiac output since you might usually push 1 less time. For me the physical stress is actually popping and whatnot. If I still commuted by board I'd probably use em.

I'm going to put more time into my production 93 this week. I haven't put much time into them at a few parks and spots and they seemed ok at the slappy spot.

I think that comparing them to F4 can be kinda tough. I didn't lie 97 that much but love 99. They're neither of those and that's fine. But if people are constantly comparing them to various Spitfire duros I think it creates the idea that they only combine the things people like about each of those duros with no downsides and for some people there might be some downsides.

One thing I did notice was doing 360 no complies when you do the last little revert they definitely don't feel as controlled. Same with half cab flips when I pop them shitty.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 08, 2022, 04:04:33 AM
What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.

I say the same thing every time I see someone in running shoes! Toughen up, buttercup!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on August 08, 2022, 11:58:49 AM
everything people are describing is exactly what i already had on my OJ Natas 95a Wheels for like a year now... they dont slide amazing but definitely good enough. because i am skating a bit better ground now i kinda want to bump to 97 or 99a F4s cause i have never tried them and just want to see how it compares. I came from Bones STF 104a so maybe something in between would be tiny bit better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 08, 2022, 12:01:34 PM
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What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.
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I say the same thing every time I see someone in running shoes! Toughen up, buttercup!

Completely different. This is like debating if a specific density of insole foam would improve a 3km casual run.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mean salto on August 08, 2022, 12:11:10 PM
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What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.
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I say the same thing every time I see someone in running shoes! Toughen up, buttercup!
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Completely different. This is like debating if a specific density of insole foam would improve a 3km casual run.

It probably would but I run in classic vans. Probably the reason that I'm that broken as a human
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 08, 2022, 12:20:06 PM
The one common denominator I keep reading is drag on crooks. Has anyone put them to the bluntslide test? I find blunts to be very picky about wheel duro more than any other trick in my arsenal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 12:47:03 PM
The one common denominator I keep reading is drag on crooks. Has anyone put them to the bluntslide test? I find blunts to be very picky about wheel duro more than any other trick in my arsenal.

On waxed concrete ledges I had no problem doing different blunt/noseblunts, felt good, just as good as f4s. Yet to try on different surfaces: wood/metal/granite etc but I suspect they won't be as good on those surfaces.

I feel like these slide well when its the contact patch of the wheel making contact (lips, blunts, powerslides etc), but when its the sidewall of the wheel making contact (slapping into a 5050 on a curb, smiths, crooks, feebles etc) it behaves a little bit more like a soft wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 08, 2022, 12:55:51 PM
Any news about the 95a drop? It's getting harder every day not to buy these wheels.
Also, I wonder which shapes the bones 95a will be? V2, V3, V5 would be sick
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 08, 2022, 01:07:34 PM
Any news about the 95a drop? It's getting harder every day not to buy these wheels.
Also, I wonder which shapes the bones 95a will be? V2, V3, V5 would be sick

Same boat. My guess is v1/v4 or the ‘normal’ shapes.  Would love a 95a v5.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 08, 2022, 01:37:05 PM
Any news about the 95a drop? It's getting harder every day not to buy these wheels.
Also, I wonder which shapes the bones 95a will be? V2, V3, V5 would be sick

On the SkateOne forums they seemed to suggest that would be out early this month.

No idea on shapes, but I think we can assume they will definitely have V1. Beyond that is anyone's guess. They were kicking around some cored V2s in preproduction. I personally would want some V5 or V6... But no idea what they have planned.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 08, 2022, 03:10:14 PM
One big difference for me is that my production are 52mm V1 and my pre-prod were V4. I do wonder if that's why the prod ones I have are sorta underwhelming? I haven't noticed any 50-50 slappy issues myself yet. I did a simple test pushing from a specific spot on my street with 2 pushes and just seeing how long it took me to roll to the end. Pretty much in the noise vs my 52mm F4. Decent asphalt, not crusty. I recall the pre-prod actually feeling faster on it in addition to smoother. I really wonder how many people are interpreting smoothness as speed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on August 08, 2022, 04:32:06 PM
For crooks with the 93A and 95A (moreso with 93A) I noticed a kind of break in period with sticking. Like when I first was skating the 93A's at the curb spot I was sticking on slappy crooks at first quite frequently. Waxing helped for sure.

But after a certain point, the sticking eased up and got to the point where I wasn't really sticking anymore.

Slappy crooks and sw slappy crooks are some of my favorite tricks, so just wanted to give my 2 cents since I saw someone asking about crooks on the dragons. I'm about to set up my production dragons for the first time so I'll give an update if I notice the initial sticking on them.

I didn't really notice the sticking as much on the 95A, but I feel like those had a slight break in period too.

For blunt slides, I can't do them personally but my homie has a set of production dragons and slappy blunts are not problem for him on them.

Really dig these wheels, IMO they are something special for sure and worth trying. George found the krabby patty secret formula or something. I do agree that Nine Club video was pretty weird though.

I'm also looking forward to the 95A and 97A X formula as well. Really want to try the 97A. I hope that the X Formula comes untreaded, that's my main complaint about the dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 08, 2022, 04:44:39 PM
V5 or v6 would be great.  it’s the best shape wheel in my opinion so bones should capitalize on that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 04:46:22 PM
For crooks with the 93A and 95A (moreso with 93A) I noticed a kind of break in period with sticking. Like when I first was skating the 93A's at the curb spot I was sticking on slappy crooks at first quite frequently. Waxing helped for sure.

But after a certain point, the sticking eased up and got to the point where I wasn't really sticking anymore.

Slappy crooks and sw slappy crooks are some of my favorite tricks, so just wanted to give my 2 cents since I saw someone asking about crooks on the dragons. I'm about to set up my production dragons for the first time so I'll give an update if I notice the initial sticking on them.

I didn't really notice the sticking as much on the 95A, but I feel like those had a slight break in period too.

For blunt slides, I can't do them personally but my homie has a set of production dragons and slappy blunts are not problem for him on them.

Really dig these wheels, IMO they are something special for sure and worth trying. George found the krabby patty secret formula or something. I do agree that Nine Club video was pretty weird though.

I'm also looking forward to the 95A and 97A X formula as well. Really want to try the 97A. I hope that the X Formula comes untreaded, that's my main complaint about the dragons.

How long did it take for it to go away on the pre production 95a? And were your pre production 93/95a cored or coreless
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Koja510 on August 08, 2022, 04:51:10 PM
Accidentally bought some Spitfire f4 54 classic 101a.  I thought 101 was softer.  Pretty fucked on sidewalks and feeling the rattle.  Might be okay for parks but definitely slower.  I'm hoping they slide better because I've always wanted to do slide tricks.  Coming off a conical full 53 this wheel feels super weird, round, and narrow.  Wishing I bought a fuller 99 right about now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cuban_Lynx on August 08, 2022, 05:09:54 PM
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 05:15:00 PM
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
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What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.

The axles bend really easily, hangers and baseplates deform and crack. Grind down stupidly fast. Also on certain metal coping they seem to catch.

Grind insane on concrete, turn great and love how light they are though. Definitely have a market, but a bit high for me and I don't want to get new trucks every month.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 09:12:10 PM
Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: juniormint on August 08, 2022, 09:41:07 PM
Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect

Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 08, 2022, 09:47:20 PM
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Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
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Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?

To me F4 97a slide way worse.... feel muted and bouncy like a cruiser wheel.... And are slower than these. Maybe tackle really really rough streets sliiightly better, but it's neck and neck.

These have better grip and better slide... Feel hard. Faster. A much better all around trick wheel.... The F4 97a are good utilitarian wheels but not "fun" to skate due to feel and slide issues. They feel like a cruiser hybrid wheel.

These Dragons are fun. Even just reverting around and shit is fun. They feel like a 98a but definitely a street trick wheel rather than a cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 09:56:19 PM
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Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
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Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?

I haven't skated a 97a f4 in a few months so much of this is based off of the best of my recollection, but 97 spits definitely feel harder for sure. I never really noticed a difference in wheelbite between 97 and 99 f4s, but with these I did notice myself being thrown off harder if I wheelbite.

I recall that 97 spits had similar issues on metal coping, but definitely not as bad as these. 97 spits also slappy better, dont drag on grinds as much etc, especially crooked grinds.... though both are worse than a 99 f4

When it comes to purely powerslides, both are very good, maybe I'd give the edge to these powell 93as actually, if anything just purely because of how pleasantly surprised I was by the powerslide, but never did a side by side test so hard to say, I don't find either wheel lacking in this department and am plenty happy with it. Its possible that the 93as are better for lip/bluntslides on certain surfaces too, definitely can't say for sure though.

The powell 93as are a lot lot smoother than the 97 f4s though. I know some others in this thread disagree, but imo its pretty clear cut, and even a few of my friends (who mostly skate 99 f4s but some have skated 97 f4s) agreed that these feel like a soft wheel that perform almost as good as a hard wheel... whereas 97 f4s are kind of a hard wheel like a 99 f4 thats just a little bit softer and more forgiving.

Basically, if you get a lot of wheelbite, or your skating is very heavily focused on grinds or slides on things that aren't super icy, I would get 97 f4s any day. If you want something smoother than 97 f4s, handles rough shit better, and grinds/slides aren't a very high priority for you, I'd get the dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 09:57:30 PM
Wow I'm honestly shocked that we have the opposite experience, even on the exact same production formula.

Not a single friend of mine whos tried these 93 dragons has thought that it feels anything like a hard wheel... besides for powerslides and reverts where it goes really nice

This is mad confusing lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 08, 2022, 10:08:08 PM
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Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
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Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?
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To me F4 97a slide way worse.... feel muted and bouncy like a cruiser wheel.... And are slower than these. Maybe tackle really really rough streets sliiightly better, but it's neck and neck.

These have better grip and better slide... Feel hard. Faster. A much better all around trick wheel.... The F4 97a are good utilitarian wheels but not "fun" to skate due to feel and slide issues. They feel like a cruiser hybrid wheel.

These Dragons are fun. Even just reverting around and shit is fun. They feel like a 98a but definitely a street trick wheel rather than a cruiser wheel.

100% opposite of my experience on both. I had some 97 classics that I didn't know were 97 for like 6 months. Felt great and fast me slid well, but 97 conicals were different. The revert is the worst thing about the 93 Dragons to me. There isn't finite control to push it or anticipate how or when it will really stick. It does or doesn't. 360 no complies made it feel pretty stark.

Frankly I find it weird you avoid discussing specific tricks and just speak in generalities. It actually is to the point where I'm not sure I trust your opinion because it's really rare for someone to speak in such generalities. Skateboarding rarely has any piece of equipment that doesn't have a weakness in specific scenarios.

I checked your post history and your earliest posts are about G Slides. You clearly want a soft wheel that slides which leads me to believe you're coming at it from a cruising first perspective and probably barely leave the ground. 90% of your posts are about marginal differences in wheels many of which aren't actually that crazy different and optimizing for "Midwest crust". I lost count of how many wheels you tried and had issues with since March of this year.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 08, 2022, 10:08:28 PM
Wow I'm honestly shocked that we have the opposite experience, even on the exact same production formula.

Not a single friend of mine whos tried these 93 dragons has thought that it feels anything like a hard wheel... besides for powerslides and reverts where it goes really nice

This is mad confusing lol

When did you get your 97a F4 and what shape? Mine were Conical Full and I probably got them a bit over a year ago.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 10:13:25 PM
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Wow I'm honestly shocked that we have the opposite experience, even on the exact same production formula.

Not a single friend of mine whos tried these 93 dragons has thought that it feels anything like a hard wheel... besides for powerslides and reverts where it goes really nice

This is mad confusing lol
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When did you get your 97a F4 and what shape? Mine were Conical Full and I probably got them a bit over a year ago.

I've had conical fulls and classics, conical full probably about a year and a bit ago. Classics were late last year, skated them early this year.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 08, 2022, 10:15:44 PM
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Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
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Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?
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To me F4 97a slide way worse.... feel muted and bouncy like a cruiser wheel.... And are slower than these. Maybe tackle really really rough streets sliiightly better, but it's neck and neck.

These have better grip and better slide... Feel hard. Faster. A much better all around trick wheel.... The F4 97a are good utilitarian wheels but not "fun" to skate due to feel and slide issues. They feel like a cruiser hybrid wheel.

These Dragons are fun. Even just reverting around and shit is fun. They feel like a 98a but definitely a street trick wheel rather than a cruiser wheel.
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100% opposite of my experience on both. I had some 97 classics that I didn't know were 97 for like 6 months. Felt great and fast me slid well, but 97 conicals were different. The revert is the worst thing about the 93 Dragons to me. There isn't finite control to push it or anticipate how or when it will really stick. It does or doesn't. 360 no complies made it feel pretty stark.

Frankly I find it weird you avoid discussing specific tricks and just speak in generalities. It actually is to the point where I'm not sure I trust your opinion because it's really rare for someone to speak in such generalities. Skateboarding rarely has any piece of equipment that doesn't have a weakness in specific scenarios.

As I've said elsewhere in this thread, haven't really had a chance to skate anything very grindable this summer. I've left that to others.

Ollies and flip tricks and manuals obviously feel the same as any other hard wheel. Not sure why I would specifically talk about heelflips for example.

I've found they finish rotations just fine on things like 180s, and shove variations. Can't say the same about F4 97a I skated which stopped in their tracks. 97a basically couldn't even do a decent powerslide without instantly coming to a stop.

From what other people are saying about F4 97a, it sounds like we skated entirely different wheels. Maybe mine were one of the first batches and they've changed the formula since?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 08, 2022, 10:19:00 PM
Where in the United States do you live that has not even a curb to grind? You literally claim these wheels grind and slide fine so it's weird you claim that then say you haven't grinded.

Frankly at this point I think you're full of shit. I am not even that great and can revert on 97s just fine on just about any surface. Again- I didn't realize I even had them for a fairly long time. You'd have to be going really slow for that. And you can still control the revert.

Most of your posts in the last few months seem to be about these wheels, which there are now obvious glaring holes in your story about what you tested them doing. Powell should send you a box for your hard work.

Also since I did see your post history why did you pay for Fallens?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 10:35:20 PM
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Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
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Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?
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To me F4 97a slide way worse.... feel muted and bouncy like a cruiser wheel.... And are slower than these. Maybe tackle really really rough streets sliiightly better, but it's neck and neck.

These have better grip and better slide... Feel hard. Faster. A much better all around trick wheel.... The F4 97a are good utilitarian wheels but not "fun" to skate due to feel and slide issues. They feel like a cruiser hybrid wheel.

These Dragons are fun. Even just reverting around and shit is fun. They feel like a 98a but definitely a street trick wheel rather than a cruiser wheel.
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100% opposite of my experience on both. I had some 97 classics that I didn't know were 97 for like 6 months. Felt great and fast me slid well, but 97 conicals were different. The revert is the worst thing about the 93 Dragons to me. There isn't finite control to push it or anticipate how or when it will really stick. It does or doesn't. 360 no complies made it feel pretty stark.

Frankly I find it weird you avoid discussing specific tricks and just speak in generalities. It actually is to the point where I'm not sure I trust your opinion because it's really rare for someone to speak in such generalities. Skateboarding rarely has any piece of equipment that doesn't have a weakness in specific scenarios.
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As I've said elsewhere in this thread, haven't really had a chance to skate anything very grindable this summer. I've left that to others.

Ollies and flip tricks and manuals obviously feel the same as any other hard wheel. Not sure why I would specifically talk about heelflips for example.

I've found they finish rotations just fine on things like 180s, and shove variations. Can't say the same about F4 97a I skated which stopped in their tracks. 97a basically couldn't even do a decent powerslide without instantly coming to a stop.

From what other people are saying about F4 97a, it sounds like we skated entirely different wheels. Maybe mine were one of the first batches and they've changed the formula since?

Flatground definitely didn't always feel the same to me, especially if the ground is smooth ish chalky, or nice concrete instead of the kind of asphalt that powerslides very well.

Anything that involves even a slight scoop felt gummier and didn't go as well compared to a hard wheel. Bigspins, tres, sw tres etc most noticeably. This is even kind of the case with f4 97s, but to a lesser, pretty much negligible extent.

With all due respect, it sounds like you rode around, did a few ollies, powerslides and reverts and declared that these wheels are going to make spitfire irrelevant
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: juniormint on August 08, 2022, 11:04:05 PM
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Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
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Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?
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I haven't skated a 97a f4 in a few months so much of this is based off of the best of my recollection, but 97 spits definitely feel harder for sure. I never really noticed a difference in wheelbite between 97 and 99 f4s, but with these I did notice myself being thrown off harder if I wheelbite.

I recall that 97 spits had similar issues on metal coping, but definitely not as bad as these. 97 spits also slappy better, dont drag on grinds as much etc, especially crooked grinds.... though both are worse than a 99 f4

When it comes to purely powerslides, both are very good, maybe I'd give the edge to these powell 93as actually, if anything just purely because of how pleasantly surprised I was by the powerslide, but never did a side by side test so hard to say, I don't find either wheel lacking in this department and am plenty happy with it. Its possible that the 93as are better for lip/bluntslides on certain surfaces too, definitely can't say for sure though.

The powell 93as are a lot lot smoother than the 97 f4s though. I know some others in this thread disagree, but imo its pretty clear cut, and even a few of my friends (who mostly skate 99 f4s but some have skated 97 f4s) agreed that these feel like a soft wheel that perform almost as good as a hard wheel... whereas 97 f4s are kind of a hard wheel like a 99 f4 thats just a little bit softer and more forgiving.

Basically, if you get a lot of wheelbite, or your skating is very heavily focused on grinds or slides on things that aren't super icy, I would get 97 f4s any day. If you want something smoother than 97 f4s, handles rough shit better, and grinds/slides aren't a very high priority for you, I'd get the dragons.

Ok, thanks for the response. I will likely stick with the 97a spits then - doing crooks and nose/tail slides I have found the difference to be someone negligible after a short period of adjustment coming from the 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 08, 2022, 11:10:11 PM
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Skated my production 93a dragons one last time today before giving to a friend. Some more observations on grind drag:

Rockridge curbs (so those in the bay area have some reference). Ground ish rough ish but nothing 99 f4s cant handle. Curbs are pretty good, but I'm guessing nowhere near as icy as the venice curbs. Everything I previously said was true, but on curbs this smooth (or better), I could see myself getting used to pushing tricks like reg/sw slappy crooks a bit harder to compensate, and just getting used to the way these wheels climb onto curbs. Its pretty noticeably worse than a hard wheel after doing side by side comparisons, but if you value the smooth ride that much, you could probably adjust and deal with a bit more grind drag.

There's also a wooden box with metal coping there right now. If you wax the metal coping, it crooked grinds, tailslides etc just fine. But if its a little drier then it'll be noticeably stickier than f4s.

What I noticed about the drag for other tricks (smiths, 5-0s etc) is that its fine if you lock in perfectly... but if you don't lock in perfectly and have to adjust into the correct position, these aren't as forgiving as a hard wheel. I could see this being an even bigger problem on round rails where often you shimmy into a cross lock after your trucks make initial contact with the rail.

Again, a hearty coat of wax would solve most of these problems, but I really don't like waxing stuff too much, especially if there's a bunch of people skating the obstacle.

I don't skate around and between spots much nowadays, and even for spots with less ideal ground that I often skate, the increased grind friction, and other minor drawbacks, isn't worth the much smoother ride 90% of the time.

Still keeping my protoype 95as for the occasional days where I really dont want to push but still want to skate a little bit. Maybe the production 95 or 97as are going to be perfect
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Not sure if I missed it in another of your comments, but how would you compare them to 97a spits, if you can?
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I haven't skated a 97a f4 in a few months so much of this is based off of the best of my recollection, but 97 spits definitely feel harder for sure. I never really noticed a difference in wheelbite between 97 and 99 f4s, but with these I did notice myself being thrown off harder if I wheelbite.

I recall that 97 spits had similar issues on metal coping, but definitely not as bad as these. 97 spits also slappy better, dont drag on grinds as much etc, especially crooked grinds.... though both are worse than a 99 f4

When it comes to purely powerslides, both are very good, maybe I'd give the edge to these powell 93as actually, if anything just purely because of how pleasantly surprised I was by the powerslide, but never did a side by side test so hard to say, I don't find either wheel lacking in this department and am plenty happy with it. Its possible that the 93as are better for lip/bluntslides on certain surfaces too, definitely can't say for sure though.

The powell 93as are a lot lot smoother than the 97 f4s though. I know some others in this thread disagree, but imo its pretty clear cut, and even a few of my friends (who mostly skate 99 f4s but some have skated 97 f4s) agreed that these feel like a soft wheel that perform almost as good as a hard wheel... whereas 97 f4s are kind of a hard wheel like a 99 f4 thats just a little bit softer and more forgiving.

Basically, if you get a lot of wheelbite, or your skating is very heavily focused on grinds or slides on things that aren't super icy, I would get 97 f4s any day. If you want something smoother than 97 f4s, handles rough shit better, and grinds/slides aren't a very high priority for you, I'd get the dragons.
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Ok, thanks for the response. I will likely stick with the 97a spits then - doing crooks and nose/tail slides I have found the difference to be someone negligible after a short period of adjustment coming from the 99a.

Yeah I generally agree too. Especially on concrete, skatelite etc. Its just certain metal coping and drier granite ledges where there's a difference. But again far less of a difference than the 93as vs these.

I suspect that the 95 or 97a bones could be a really good option when they come out (as long as the 95 doesnt feel like the preproduction batch I got, which almost feel/sound quieter than the production 93s I got).

Don't get me wrong the 93a dragons are a really really good wheel, but there's definitely still downsides to them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on August 09, 2022, 02:22:07 AM
just popping in to say 97a f4 slides great and in my experience they do not feel bouncy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cuban_Lynx on August 09, 2022, 06:03:53 AM
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
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What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.
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The axles bend really easily, hangers and baseplates deform and crack. Grind down stupidly fast. Also on certain metal coping they seem to catch.

Grind insane on concrete, turn great and love how light they are though. Definitely have a market, but a bit high for me and I don't want to get new trucks every month.
That makes sense. She's like 85lbs, so it's not a big deal. We've really only done any grinds on the nice metal coping at House of Vans. On the other hand, I'm almost 200lbs. I've really just pushed around and done some slappies/flatground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 09, 2022, 06:18:24 AM
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
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What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.
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The axles bend really easily, hangers and baseplates deform and crack. Grind down stupidly fast. Also on certain metal coping they seem to catch.

Grind insane on concrete, turn great and love how light they are though. Definitely have a market, but a bit high for me and I don't want to get new trucks every month.
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That makes sense. She's like 85lbs, so it's not a big deal. We've really only done any grinds on the nice metal coping at House of Vans. On the other hand, I'm almost 200lbs. I've really just pushed around and done some slappies/flatground.

I've had 3 pair and never bent the axel, but I understand experience may vary. The baseplates wear fast because they are magnesium (atleast in the original model) magnesium is softer as aluminium. Same thing happened with my destructo. While not optimal, I think it's a sacrifice you make when you chose to skate a lighter, less durable material. This catch on coping thing IDK, I'm more likely to blame myself over the truck for something like that.

They do turn pretty great, I went street skating last weekend and was really hyped on how I was swerving

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on August 09, 2022, 06:34:16 AM
just popping in to say 97a f4 slides great and in my experience they do not feel bouncy.

Same.

IMO a simple ‘90s (decade) urethane feeling wheel, bonus -no flatspots.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 09, 2022, 07:33:19 AM
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What I don't get is people being like "I can skate so much longer". How are you that broken as a human where the small vibrations are what tire you out not actually pushing, jumping, and smashing into things.
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I say the same thing every time I see someone in running shoes! Toughen up, buttercup!
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Completely different. This is like debating if a specific density of insole foam would improve a 3km casual run.

Runners literally debate this kind of thing all the time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on August 09, 2022, 08:45:23 AM
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For crooks with the 93A and 95A (moreso with 93A) I noticed a kind of break in period with sticking. Like when I first was skating the 93A's at the curb spot I was sticking on slappy crooks at first quite frequently. Waxing helped for sure.

But after a certain point, the sticking eased up and got to the point where I wasn't really sticking anymore.

Slappy crooks and sw slappy crooks are some of my favorite tricks, so just wanted to give my 2 cents since I saw someone asking about crooks on the dragons. I'm about to set up my production dragons for the first time so I'll give an update if I notice the initial sticking on them.

I didn't really notice the sticking as much on the 95A, but I feel like those had a slight break in period too.

For blunt slides, I can't do them personally but my homie has a set of production dragons and slappy blunts are not problem for him on them.

Really dig these wheels, IMO they are something special for sure and worth trying. George found the krabby patty secret formula or something. I do agree that Nine Club video was pretty weird though.

I'm also looking forward to the 95A and 97A X formula as well. Really want to try the 97A. I hope that the X Formula comes untreaded, that's my main complaint about the dragons.
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How long did it take for it to go away on the pre production 95a? And were your pre production 93/95a cored or coreless

Both my pre production 93A and 95A were uncored V6. I'd say probably a week or so with the 93A, and maybe a few days with the 95A. I slappy curbs pretty much every day though.

You know how your wheels will eventually start turning a slight light red from slappying red curbs? Once that's there, I stopped noticing the sticking on both the 93A and 95A.

Don't get me wrong, I can grind farther with a 99A, but the initial sticking on crooks definitely eased up for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 09, 2022, 08:46:33 AM
Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PuffinMuffin on August 09, 2022, 08:51:54 AM
Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.

Mind sharing your ankle physical therapy exercises somewhere? I could definitely use some greater dorsiflexion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 09, 2022, 08:56:24 AM
Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 09, 2022, 09:10:57 AM
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It’s the tensor mag of wheels….there you have it….
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Yep. Can't wait to pair them with a slick and some tensors....easy vibes.
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What's up with all the Mag Light hate? 90's Tensors sucked, but I got a pair of Mags for my daughter's set-up and I actually love them. It's wild how light they are, but still durable. I'm more of an AF1 guy, but still.
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The axles bend really easily, hangers and baseplates deform and crack. Grind down stupidly fast. Also on certain metal coping they seem to catch.

Grind insane on concrete, turn great and love how light they are though. Definitely have a market, but a bit high for me and I don't want to get new trucks every month.
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That makes sense. She's like 85lbs, so it's not a big deal. We've really only done any grinds on the nice metal coping at House of Vans. On the other hand, I'm almost 200lbs. I've really just pushed around and done some slappies/flatground.
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I've had 3 pair and never bent the axel, but I understand experience may vary. The baseplates wear fast because they are magnesium (atleast in the original model) magnesium is softer as aluminium. Same thing happened with my destructo. While not optimal, I think it's a sacrifice you make when you chose to skate a lighter, less durable material. This catch on coping thing IDK, I'm more likely to blame myself over the truck for something like that.

They do turn pretty great, I went street skating last weekend and was really hyped on how I was swerving

Yeah, I'm just shy of 200 pounds and my axles were pretty bent and had a small crack near the pivot cup on the baseplate after about a week. Really really loved how they grinded though. Except for on certain coping. I'd also like to blame myself, but had a friends board and did a side to side and it truly was night and day. It wasn't even sticky or dry too. Probably not all metal, but there is definitely material that the magnesium just doesn't grind properly
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 09, 2022, 09:37:29 AM
Any guesses on the factory these USA MADE swirl wheels from TGM what other brands use them?

https://tgmskateboards.com/blank-skateboard-wheels-swirl-99a-usa-made-black-orange-52mm-x-31mm/

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/500x659/products/75618/155950/BWHL901-1__41550.1658937933.jpg?c=2)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 09, 2022, 10:54:13 AM
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Ya because they're fooled by bullshit and marketing and there's little objective data. Then every so often someone actually produces a meta analysis that demonstrates that the difference is far smaller. The best runners in the world often use stock shoes without much in the way of custom orthotics because midsole technology is so good now yet every dickhead out there that claims they need $200+ insoles to run 5k could benefit more from doing strength and mobility work to become a less shitty human and require less correction.

I dealt with the same thing in cycling for years. I had custom orthotics and custom shoes because my arches and ankles would collapse and introduce pelvic instability up the chain. My PT worked with 4 of the biggest teams at the time and none of them had any issues. The solution was fairly simple- more work off the bike to build basic ankle stability pelvic stability. Took 20min 3 times a week. Within 5 months I was able to use bone stock insoles and shoes.

The whole point of this is to demonstrate that people often fall for marketing and band aid solutions which mask the true problem.
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Mind sharing your ankle physical therapy exercises somewhere? I could definitely use some greater dorsiflexion.

Much of what I was prescribed at the time is now popularized by Ben Patrick AKA KneesOverToesGuy:

-Weighted calf and tibia raises. Also some lateral ankle movements with weight.
-Single Leg Romanian Deadlifts with DBs
-Split squats where the knee went over the toe.
-Cossack squats.
-The kookiest sounding one that is actually quite hard is to stand 1 footed on something like a mattress with your eyes closed and try to balance.
-I was also prescribed a lot of hamstring and calve stretches.

His basic progressions are pretty similar and started assisted, then unassisted, then weighted. I've seen you ride or are knowledgeable about bikes so before the PT I was using custom Specialized S-Works shoes they normally give the pros and I had both D2 and Riivo orthotics. The custom shoes were similar to consumer models but generally used a different upper and a stiffer carbon layup near the rear of the shoe with a higher arch. I was using Speedplays with a bunch of wedges and shims and bullshit. After I was able to buy off the shelf S-Works shoes and basically run the BG Fit orthotics that I built up a tad in the rear foot using some firm rubber. I ran stock Dura Ace pedals with zero shims and bullshit.

I've done something similar to recover from rupturing all the ligaments in my ankle last year as well. I am still on a quest to find a stable skate shoe with the board feel I prefer, but I can actually skate Vans with no issue.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on August 09, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
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just popping in to say 97a f4 slides great and in my experience they do not feel bouncy.
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Same.

IMO a simple ‘90s (decade) urethane feeling wheel, bonus -no flatspots.
Yeah i have the 97A f4 classic shape in 56mm and have used it in multiple scenarios on multiple boards. i find that they slide great and feel very responsive. there’s a slight bounce when compared to 99a f4s but i expected that. i also think they are a pretty fast wheel but again, like most soft wheels they slow down on smoother skatepark concrete. on chunkier stuff they handle it really well. I have no reason to try “dragons,” as it seems there’s way more downsides than upsides. also not to keen on buying a product named “dragons.”  kinda corny lmao
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 09, 2022, 02:00:50 PM
I mean the body of evidence so far is a Dan Corrigan video where he skates a park and a brick spot, The hokey Nein Club ad on super iced curbs, and a single poster on Slap that admits to not doing many grind on them. They are not bad wheels, but they're not necessarily life changing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 09, 2022, 02:17:45 PM
Where in the United States do you live that has not even a curb to grind? You literally claim these wheels grind and slide fine so it's weird you claim that then say you haven't grinded.

Frankly at this point I think you're full of shit. I am not even that great and can revert on 97s just fine on just about any surface. Again- I didn't realize I even had them for a fairly long time. You'd have to be going really slow for that. And you can still control the revert.

Most of your posts in the last few months seem to be about these wheels, which there are now obvious glaring holes in your story about what you tested them doing. Powell should send you a box for your hard work.

Also since I did see your post history why did you pay for Fallens?

The poster in me wants to laugh that you're digging 15 pages deep into post history seething over plastic wheel opinions.

But the empath in me wants to ask you how your week has been and ask if everything is going okay in your personal life these days.

Hope you're doing well. Not meaning to upset anybody here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 09, 2022, 02:44:15 PM
Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 09, 2022, 02:49:33 PM
Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.

I think you and your forbidden 4" need to cool off and take a break from the internet for the day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on August 09, 2022, 03:16:04 PM
Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.


Dude you come off as a know it all, smug asshole. Most of the Pals here are whiny self righteous Redditors but God damn dude you really take the cake. Many people on here have given their opinions on these wheels, and I'm not saying they're perfect, but you wanna flex that "I'm a real skater shit" and call out people for their gear choices and abilities like that shit matters. People have different experiences with the same gear all the time. Go ahead and look through my post history and try to shit fling IDGAF, that kind of stuff is just straight up bitch made behavior and shows how much of a terminally online dork you are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 09, 2022, 05:52:52 PM
Any guesses on the factory these USA MADE swirl wheels from TGM what other brands use them?

https://tgmskateboards.com/blank-skateboard-wheels-swirl-99a-usa-made-black-orange-52mm-x-31mm/



I don't know enough about certain wheel factories, but Creative Urethane seems to be the main one, USA based that makes a ton of wheels for every market, from blanks right through to pro brand wheels and all shapes, sizes, duros, even colours so that would be my guess.

Totally a guess though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 09, 2022, 10:26:50 PM
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Does the skater in you actually want to be able to do the grinds and slides required to actually test these wheels? I mean, it literally took me less than 6 clicks on my phone and you accidentally exposing the fact that you haven't (and maybe can't) do the stuff required to draw the strong conclusions that you're drawing.

That's just the "I hate bullshit propagated without evidence" in me.
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Dude you come off as a know it all, smug asshole. Most of the Pals here are whiny self righteous Redditors but God damn dude you really take the cake. Many people on here have given their opinions on these wheels, and I'm not saying they're perfect, but you wanna flex that "I'm a real skater shit" and call out people for their gear choices and abilities like that shit matters. People have different experiences with the same gear all the time. Go ahead and look through my post history and try to shit fling IDGAF, that kind of stuff is just straight up bitch made behavior and shows how much of a terminally online dork you are.

The person I was calling out was making claims about a product that they couldn't and didn't adequately test. This thread comes up when you Google the product in question. People reading those glowing reviews won't realize it's from one person over and over.

Then those of us that had a negative thing to say get drowned out and told they grind fine, by someone that admits to not doing grinds with them.

I clicked their profile cuz I was curious about how long they've been posting and if there was posts I missed that might back up their claims. I found it curious that in 5 months this poster has tried more wheels than most people who skate ever will. This same poster seems to be realllllly nitpicking wheels. So often that it's kinda hard for me to trust a firm opinion. I would get this if there was something to go along with it.

It's not about being the best, but you likely have to have a certain awareness, proficiency, and basic ability before it matters. It's like the YouTubers who do review of products, such as shoes, comment about the flick, but can't consistently land a kickflip. That person isn't even at a level where a shoe's flick matters yet. A person commenting about a wheel being "great for everything" but doesn't grind or really give details isn't someone I trust. I didn't question anyone else because they didn't make such detailed, bold claims. Id respect the person more for just saying "ya I really like the way they ride and I enjoy them more than _____"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 10, 2022, 06:50:00 AM
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dwyck on August 10, 2022, 07:00:34 AM
Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 10, 2022, 07:08:25 AM
Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn

Was hoping at least the bones (95a & 97a) will have a normal name like soft slide formula, but no, they're the "Formula X".
Skate one is weird. Looking through their website, it seems like they really don't want to reach people under 40 anyway
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Coping Grinder on August 10, 2022, 07:59:26 AM
Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn

I thought the lesbians thing was a serious joke, but after some thinking and googling I can't come up with a lesbian skater that's not riding Spitfires
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 10, 2022, 08:46:36 AM
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Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn
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Was hoping at least the bones (95a & 97a) will have a normal name like soft slide formula, but no, they're the "Formula X".
Skate one is weird. Looking through their website, it seems like they really don't want to reach people under 40 anyway

Formula x isn’t any worse than formula 4  it’s better than dragon. Dragon sounds like what would be cool to a 40 something weekend warrior type. I say that as a 37 year old who gets the bulk of their sessions in on the weekend.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on August 10, 2022, 08:53:23 AM
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Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn
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Was hoping at least the bones (95a & 97a) will have a normal name like soft slide formula, but no, they're the "Formula X".
Skate one is weird. Looking through their website, it seems like they really don't want to reach people under 40 anyway
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Formula x isn’t any worse than formula 4  it’s better than dragon. Dragon sounds like what would be cool to a 40 something weekend warrior type. I say that as a 37 year old who gets the bulk of their sessions in on the weekend.

I'm a 49 year old who gets the bulk of sessions on the weekend, and my first Powell board was a Mike V Elephant in 1988.   

Dragons is a dumb name.  Full stop.   But I have a set because I don't really care that much about the name.

Powell art / marketing baffles me.   As Neil Blender said in Footage - "It's 1990 boys. Let's get rid of the skeletons."    Sure, keep one graphic in each of the sizes that is the ripper or skull/sword to be your heritage line - but why are their current pros all getting a skeleton on their board and having one graphic per year?  I like flight decks.  I think their mold that they are using on the 8.0-8.5 popsicles works well.  I think their graphic department suuuuuuuuuckkkks.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 10, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
I have the wheels, they're good, and along with Swiss bearings are the only bit of Powell-Peralta which I own or would ever consider buying. That said, I appreciate the marketing, the skulls and the same graphics for a decade at a time - it's obviously working for them. If they went and hired some young buck designer from RISD or Parsons to freshen up their image, would anyone care? It would only alienate their current clientele of weirdos, and I can say for certain that no one who collects complete sets of Baker decks or rides a Sci-Fi board is suddenly going to start caring about Powell after three decades. They'd probably do better if they started selling blank Flight Decks.

They could certainly do something to freshen up the image of Bones, which literally was spun off from Powell to attract riders outside of the Powell universe and did a halfway decent job of it for about a decade before Spitfire just lapped them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on August 10, 2022, 10:22:31 AM
I have the wheels, they're good, and along with Swiss bearings are the only bit of Powell-Peralta which I own or would ever consider buying. That said, I appreciate the marketing, the skulls and the same graphics for a decade at a time - it's obviously working for them. If they went and hired some young buck designer from RISD or Parsons to freshen up their image, would anyone care? It would only alienate their current clientele of weirdos, and I can say for certain that no one who collects complete sets of Baker decks or rides a Sci-Fi board is suddenly going to start caring about Powell after three decades. They'd probably do better if they started selling blank Flight Decks.

They could certainly do something to freshen up the image of Bones, which literally was spun off from Powell to attract riders outside of the Powell universe and did a halfway decent job of it for about a decade before Spitfire just lapped them.
They tried to innovate their graphics once and fucked up and created half of the World art department. Feels like there's been a never again policy since.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 10, 2022, 11:42:05 AM
I had Powell Dragons on a Sci Fi and a Killing Floor.

Also, I know Powell has had the Dragon for a long time, but did anyone realize that by calling the wheels "Dragons" they gave it the name of a create that spits fire? Subtle jab?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2022, 12:13:16 PM
Yes, pages ago.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3824610;topicseen#msg3824610

Semantics: Dragon's would breathe fire, not spit it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 10, 2022, 12:24:16 PM
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I have the wheels, they're good, and along with Swiss bearings are the only bit of Powell-Peralta which I own or would ever consider buying. That said, I appreciate the marketing, the skulls and the same graphics for a decade at a time - it's obviously working for them. If they went and hired some young buck designer from RISD or Parsons to freshen up their image, would anyone care? It would only alienate their current clientele of weirdos, and I can say for certain that no one who collects complete sets of Baker decks or rides a Sci-Fi board is suddenly going to start caring about Powell after three decades. They'd probably do better if they started selling blank Flight Decks.

They could certainly do something to freshen up the image of Bones, which literally was spun off from Powell to attract riders outside of the Powell universe and did a halfway decent job of it for about a decade before Spitfire just lapped them.
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They tried to innovate their graphics once and fucked up and created half of the World art department. Feels like there's been a never again policy since.

If you're talking about Angel Boy... I actually have a soft spot for those decks. A lot of them were awful, but some of them had a bit of charm to them. I would rather skate an Angel Boy deck than a dragon deck personally.

I never bought one but I would look at them and go "ah okay that's kinda neat I guess".

Their logo isn't even that bad... They could have some decks in the style of their logo and put something decent out. I just can't stand the dragons and skeletons and swords. It's seriously some of the worst art in skateboarding imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 10, 2022, 12:29:02 PM
It was bold of Powell to put a dead child on their boards. Very metal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 10, 2022, 01:04:24 PM
I (still) like skulls and skeletons but I won't buy anything from Powell or Bones. Too many bad experiences with Mini Logo decks and Reds. But I am not saying they are bad products or anything, they just didn't hold up that well for me. Buy whatever you like, it's your money.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2022, 01:53:42 PM
I still dig skulls and bones, Powell, zero, TECHNÊ….way better than 90% of the hipster clip art dogshit everyone uses these days.

Bones fell from grace, after years and years at the top, with the the release of the F4s and haven’t been able to bounce back.

Their marketing is no better or worse than the flame boy wannabe spit logo…the team however, doesn’t hold a candle to the spitfire crew, especially when it comes to ‘current’ skaters in the spotlight….soty winners…you think gravette or decenzo are selling wheels?

Maybe the bones x formula in 95/97a might get some traction, but &&, rog and that hick with the YouTube channel aren’t going to drive sales from the core market.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on August 10, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
I still dig skulls and bones, Powell, zero, tenche….way better than 90% of the hipster clip art dogshit everyone uses these days.

What are you talking about man, doodles that look like they were done by a fucking 3 year old are so rad




Seriously can't stand that shit for real. Give me some real, quality psychedelic art

https://www.totemical.com/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 10, 2022, 02:12:18 PM
I still dig skulls and bones, Powell, zero, tenche….way better than 90% of the hipster clip art dogshit everyone uses these days.

Bones fell from grace, after years and years at the top, with the the release of the F4s and haven’t been able to bounce back.

Their marketing is no better or worse than the flame boy wannabe spit logo…the team however, doesn’t hold a candle to the spitfire crew, especially when it comes to ‘current’ skaters in the spotlight….soty winners…you think gravette or decenzo are selling wheels?

Maybe the bones x formula in 95/97a might get some traction, but &&, rog and that hick with the YouTube channel aren’t going to drive sales from the core market.

I like skeletons, monsters, and stuff (Zero, Toy Machine, Blind, World Industries, late 90s Birdhouse). But how Powell does them is so unappealing to me.

I also really like Spitfires aesthetic too. The eternals look sooooo good while rolling especially. Great design.

Just something about those illustrations are so boring. And they have no sense of color to them. The classic Ripper drawing is pretty cool, but I wouldn't want it on a board or a wheel. Maybe a shirt.

Like I think my complaint is... More detail does not mean better art. I don't care how detailed and technically talented your illustration is if the overall piece is uninspired.

On the flip side look at how great the Anti Hero space junk art is. Has some detail, but not overboard. It says something and looks pretty in the process. Very inspired. https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/antihero-taylor-space-junk-deck-8-50/

It's got white space that lets the details pop. An amazing sense of color. And some contrast to make that color pop. It's not just a whole entire deck of lines and details like Powell does.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on August 10, 2022, 02:21:09 PM
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I have the wheels, they're good, and along with Swiss bearings are the only bit of Powell-Peralta which I own or would ever consider buying. That said, I appreciate the marketing, the skulls and the same graphics for a decade at a time - it's obviously working for them. If they went and hired some young buck designer from RISD or Parsons to freshen up their image, would anyone care? It would only alienate their current clientele of weirdos, and I can say for certain that no one who collects complete sets of Baker decks or rides a Sci-Fi board is suddenly going to start caring about Powell after three decades. They'd probably do better if they started selling blank Flight Decks.

They could certainly do something to freshen up the image of Bones, which literally was spun off from Powell to attract riders outside of the Powell universe and did a halfway decent job of it for about a decade before Spitfire just lapped them.
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They tried to innovate their graphics once and fucked up and created half of the World art department. Feels like there's been a never again policy since.
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If you're talking about Angel Boy... I actually have a soft spot for those decks. A lot of them were awful, but some of them had a bit of charm to them. I would rather skate an Angel Boy deck than a dragon deck personally.

I never bought one but I would look at them and go "ah okay that's kinda neat I guess".

Their logo isn't even that bad... They could have some decks in the style of their logo and put something decent out. I just can't stand the dragons and skeletons and swords. It's seriously some of the worst art in skateboarding imo.
Nah I was talking about how Powell hired Cliver outta art school. Rocco specifically scooped him because he liked the Ray Barbee Ragdoll graphic. Like 18 months later, you've got Dear George.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2022, 05:38:39 PM
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What are you talking about man, doodles that look like they were done by a fucking 3 year old are so rad

Seriously can't stand that shit for real. Give me some real, quality psychedelic art

https://www.totemical.com/

Still one of my favorite runs. I don't dig AH 'pigeon' graphics, or that 'comic' style they use, but this was top tier and exactly what I'm talking about. The fucking asshole graphics, amazing. The BIG SQUARE, the clip art...they successfully bashed 90% of the industry graphics at the time in one run. "Boutique" Bloody Brilliant.

(http://www.antiheroskateboards.com/summer16/img/ah-summer-16-desktop-04.jpg)

I do, however, like their 'flyer' style.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 10, 2022, 05:48:01 PM
Quick green dragon review

Age: old
Size: bigger than most
Style: carvy/pushy
Type: 56mm
Deck: 8.6
Trucks: new ace 55

These are not F4 replacements. There is a lack of connection with the ground. They also don’t power slide as good but are icy on metal ramps.

They are faster, for me, than F4 but I may just be used to softer wheels.

They remind me of my rough riders just a little harder.

You can dig your nail in. They are a true 93a.

I think I’m gonna love um’ but I’m 44. If I were 22 no way I would use these as my primary. I may even move them over to my Dane 1 which I running rough riders on.

Verdict: great cruiser old skool wheel. Can’t see skating ledges with them. I even think I would prefer slappies with Spitfire’s but I skated a park with metal ramps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on August 10, 2022, 07:40:10 PM
Dragon is an awful name and AndAnd is not enough to motivate me to try Powell/Bones again. Havent skated Bones since a set of STFs in 2012. They gotta do better to pull me. More lesbians on the team, more little characters, fuller shapes, change the annoying angle they take product photos at that doesn't reveal the shape whatsoever and obscures the graphic

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Im serious about the lesbians. Im skating a set of Breezy conical fulls rn

YES
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on August 11, 2022, 01:17:10 PM
Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FirstBlood82 on August 11, 2022, 01:30:59 PM
Quick green dragon review

Age: old
Size: bigger than most
Style: carvy/pushy
Type: 56mm
Deck: 8.6
Trucks: new ace 55

These are not F4 replacements. There is a lack of connection with the ground. They also don’t power slide as good but are icy on metal ramps.

They are faster, for me, than F4 but I may just be used to softer wheels.

They remind me of my rough riders just a little harder.

You can dig your nail in. They are a true 93a.

I think I’m gonna love um’ but I’m 44. If I were 22 no way I would use these as my primary. I may even move them over to my Dane 1 which I running rough riders on.

Verdict: great cruiser old skool wheel. Can’t see skating ledges with them. I even think I would prefer slappies with Spitfire’s but I skated a park with metal ramps.

i tried my set today and i skate ledges alot. they work great, cant see me going back to f4 99 again :S
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 11, 2022, 01:35:45 PM
Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne

Man, that's far....but V5, fuck yea!

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 11, 2022, 04:04:02 PM
Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne

Will more than likely try the 95 or 97a. Especially cause v5 is the best wheel shape.i debate on putting a counter sink on my f4 classics to try and mimic it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 11, 2022, 04:06:42 PM
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Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
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Will more than likely try the 95 or 97a. Especially cause v5 is the best wheel shape.i debate on putting a counter sink on my f4 classics to try and mimic it.

Yes.

Ricta 'mids' are close in shape to the V5.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 11, 2022, 06:03:41 PM
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Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
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Will more than likely try the 95 or 97a. Especially cause v5 is the best wheel shape.i debate on putting a counter sink on my f4 classics to try and mimic it.

The 95a are really good, zero complaints with my prototype set, not sure if I could go back to F4 or NFG after these. I'd try a set of the 97a out of curiosity, but right now the 95a is the truth for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 11, 2022, 06:15:37 PM
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Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
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Will more than likely try the 95 or 97a. Especially cause v5 is the best wheel shape.i debate on putting a counter sink on my f4 classics to try and mimic it.
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The 95a are really good, zero complaints with my prototype set, not sure if I could go back to F4 or NFG after these. I'd try a set of the 97a out of curiosity, but right now the 95a is the truth for me.

From the reviews I’ve seen on here. I feel like 95a or 97a will be the Goldilocks wheel for me.  I’m excited to try them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 11, 2022, 06:48:42 PM
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Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
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Will more than likely try the 95 or 97a. Especially cause v5 is the best wheel shape.i debate on putting a counter sink on my f4 classics to try and mimic it.
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The 95a are really good, zero complaints with my prototype set, not sure if I could go back to F4 or NFG after these. I'd try a set of the 97a out of curiosity, but right now the 95a is the truth for me.

I'm curious, were your prototypes with or without a core/hub?

With the hub the 95a were usable, but struggled with pebbles/cracks more than a typical wheel should. The 97a (with hub) struggled even worse. I would say my 97a were basically unusable outside of smooth spots due to how hard they were. Essentially a gimmick wheel (but really fun in the spots they did work). The 97a were probably the fastest wheel I've skated? Just not many spots I can skate them with around here. Weirdly enough they had an AMAZING revert/spin... but they really struggled with powerslides for some reason? Very strange.

If anyone wants to trade for my lightly used hubbed 54mm 95a and 97a prototypes, pop me a DM. I also have 52mm V2 (lock-ins) in 93a and 90a (both with cores) still in plastic that I would trade as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 11, 2022, 07:15:00 PM
Let me get this straight, you are saying that the 95a and 97a are worse than a 'typical wheel' on cracks/pebbles?  What duro are these 'typical wheels'? 101/103?

That seems to be the exact opposite wanted result for a wheel whos whole existence is to make it easier to skate on rough terrain (let alone the feedback we're seeing from everyone but you).

Would you say the 101/03 would be just as 'unusable' at these spots your skating?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 11, 2022, 07:34:58 PM
Let me get this straight, you are saying that the 95a and 97a are worse than a 'typical wheel' on cracks/pebbles?  What duro are these 'typical wheels'? 101/103?

That seems to be the exact opposite wanted result for a wheel whos whole existence is to make it easier to skate on rough terrain (let alone the feedback we're seeing from everyone but you).

Would you say the 101/03 would be just as 'unusable' at these spots your skating?

It's been a while since I've skated 103a at this point (it used to be my go-to), but the hubbed 95a feel like 101a or so? The hubbed 97a feel like 103a?

They don't reduce vibrations at all, they just let you maintain speed while those violent vibrations are happening.

The 95a are manageable... But the 97a (again with the hub) are a joke with how vulnerable they make you to pebbles and sidewalk cracks.

Most wheels "bounce" up cracks fairly easily (like F4 99a) but these "clack" on the cracks and you lose speed (or get ejected).

They maintain speed on streets with a rough TEXTURE... But not rough GEOMETRY... if that makes sense.

If you like 103a the 97a might work for you, but they vibrate like hell.

Maybe without the hub they won't be as extreme. I have high hopes for 95a without a hub... But doubt I could personally find a use for the 97a except as a "park only" wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 11, 2022, 07:40:08 PM
I have the hubless v1 95as, and some really wide hubbed 95as, both 54mm and prototype. The hubbed 95as feel hard as fuck, like between an f4 99a and 101a. The hubless v1 95as feel similar to the production dragons, a bit quieter but pretty similar. All the same issues.

Put on my production coreless 95as today (didn't wanna push hard, tired) and had a weirdly good session. Had to put a strong layer of wax on the metal coping of the ledge, and waxed the top a bunch when I wanted to some blunt tricks. Still catches more than a hard wheel and have to push them differently especially for like reg/sw crook.

And also just gotta accept that long slappies are a bit more unpredictable and don't feel as good, but I have like ten slappy tricks that I do over and over again so its not like I'm being held back from trying a new learn and sticking.

For times like today when I didn't wanna deal with more pushing and rough ground... it was worth it.

Kam from powell said the preproduction 95a should be the same as the production 95a, but they feel basically super similar to the production 93as.... so not sure what the deal is there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 11, 2022, 07:56:18 PM
I have the hubless v1 95as, and some really wide hubbed 95as, both 54mm and prototype. The hubbed 95as feel hard as fuck, like between an f4 99a and 101a. The hubless v1 95as feel similar to the production dragons, a bit quieter but pretty similar. All the same issues.

Put on my production coreless 95as today (didn't wanna push hard, tired) and had a weirdly good session. Had to put a strong layer of wax on the metal coping of the ledge, and waxed the top a bunch when I wanted to some blunt tricks. Still catches more than a hard wheel and have to push them differently especially for like reg/sw crook.

And also just gotta accept that long slappies are a bit more unpredictable and don't feel as good, but I have like ten slappy tricks that I do over and over again so its not like I'm being held back from trying a new learn and sticking.

For times like today when I didn't wanna deal with more pushing and rough ground... it was worth it.

Kam from powell said the preproduction 95a should be the same as the production 95a, but they feel basically super similar to the production 93as.... so not sure what the deal is there.

Yeah maybe he's just not "in the know" on the specific small changes, because I have two 93a V6 56mm, one preproduction and one commercial release... And they have slightly different color, and the commercial release ones are definitely a bit faster.

The 95a sound promising from your description. Will have to eventually try those as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 11, 2022, 09:15:27 PM
Wait I thought you said a few pages ago you tried the 95 and the 97 too?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 11, 2022, 09:27:23 PM
Wait I thought you said a few pages ago you tried the 95 and the 97 too?

I've said it multiple times on THIS page, the 95a and 97a I have both have hubs (cores) in them, and skate pretty terribly. I have not skated 95a without cores: which people have said feel more like the 93a.

97a and 95a with hubs both majorly struggled with pebbles and sidewalk cracks. But it sounds like 95a without hub will be worth giving a chance to based on what I'm reading in here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 11, 2022, 10:04:48 PM
Got it, I couldn't keep it straight. Thought the 95 were all coreless like the ones I got.

I'm going to try my 93 again at a couple spots and make sure the wax is even.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 12, 2022, 08:59:36 AM
In case anybody in europe wants to get rid of their prototype wheels, I'm very interested.

Ideally 95a no cores, but I'd be down to try anything.

Sad about the october release, but very happy about the V5
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on August 12, 2022, 09:07:18 AM
I just bought the new ricta 95a shanahan wheels, I'll report back in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 12, 2022, 09:49:39 AM
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I have the hubless v1 95as, and some really wide hubbed 95as, both 54mm and prototype. The hubbed 95as feel hard as fuck, like between an f4 99a and 101a. The hubless v1 95as feel similar to the production dragons, a bit quieter but pretty similar. All the same issues.

Put on my production coreless 95as today (didn't wanna push hard, tired) and had a weirdly good session. Had to put a strong layer of wax on the metal coping of the ledge, and waxed the top a bunch when I wanted to some blunt tricks. Still catches more than a hard wheel and have to push them differently especially for like reg/sw crook.

And also just gotta accept that long slappies are a bit more unpredictable and don't feel as good, but I have like ten slappy tricks that I do over and over again so its not like I'm being held back from trying a new learn and sticking.

For times like today when I didn't wanna deal with more pushing and rough ground... it was worth it.

Kam from powell said the preproduction 95a should be the same as the production 95a, but they feel basically super similar to the production 93as.... so not sure what the deal is there.
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Yeah maybe he's just not "in the know" on the specific small changes, because I have two 93a V6 56mm, one preproduction and one commercial release... And they have slightly different color, and the commercial release ones are definitely a bit faster.

The 95a sound promising from your description. Will have to eventually try those as well.

I marginally prefer my production 93as to my prototype 95as, purely for the slightly louder, some bark, if not for anything else. But I gave those away. Still the same opinion, but just was willing to deal with it given the circumstances. Think these are going to be a good "crust" and/or "tired" wheel. But not when I'm trying to learn new tricks or work on grinds/slides I don't have down very good.

I'm hoping the production 95s feel more like a proper hard wheel. If the 97s perform like a f4 99a, but are a tad more forgiving on soft ground, I'll be really hyped. Could totally see that being the case but won't find out for a while I guess
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on August 12, 2022, 12:41:36 PM
Hat off to the three posters that have made the last several pages an enjoyable read. I like opinions, too much group think with skateboard products.
(I’m part of the problem, I’ll stick with the f4s).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 12, 2022, 12:43:24 PM
Here's another annoying paid for promotional dragons vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wwmmaXElW0
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 12, 2022, 12:50:13 PM
I'm hoping the production 95s feel more like a proper hard wheel. If the 97s perform like a f4 99a, but are a tad more forgiving on soft ground, I'll be really hyped. Could totally see that being the case but won't find out for a while I guess

This is what I've been hoping for/saying all along only to have that concept get shit on in favor of the second coming of christ in 93a form because someone skates in a fucking rock quarry.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on August 12, 2022, 01:51:27 PM
Here's another annoying paid for promotional dragons vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wwmmaXElW0

Can't trust them.  Graphics are out.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on August 12, 2022, 02:22:59 PM
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Here's another annoying paid for promotional dragons vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wwmmaXElW0
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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 12, 2022, 02:23:05 PM
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I'm hoping the production 95s feel more like a proper hard wheel. If the 97s perform like a f4 99a, but are a tad more forgiving on soft ground, I'll be really hyped. Could totally see that being the case but won't find out for a while I guess
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This is what I've been hoping for/saying all along only to have that concept get shit on in favor of the second coming of christ in 93a form because someone skates in a fucking rock quarry.

Lmao yeah. I imagine for most ledge/rail/curb centric skaters that currently skate, and are happy with f4s and don't want something feeling very different, the 95 or 97 production ones will probably be much better.

93as serve a good purpose, but its not an f4 replacement unless you want something that feels very very different.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 12, 2022, 02:44:16 PM
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I'm hoping the production 95s feel more like a proper hard wheel. If the 97s perform like a f4 99a, but are a tad more forgiving on soft ground, I'll be really hyped. Could totally see that being the case but won't find out for a while I guess
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This is what I've been hoping for/saying all along only to have that concept get shit on in favor of the second coming of christ in 93a form because someone skates in a fucking rock quarry.

Lol, genuinely made me laugh. It feels like that sometimes.

I've tried to make it very clear from the start that the issues I had with the 95a were probably due to the hub/core. They were so close to being great, that I have high hopes for the official release.

Sorry if my excitement has been a bit much. After cycling through F4 97 and STF 99, I was getting pretty bummed that I wouldn't be able to find a good wheel for where I currently live... These came around at the perfect time for me, so I've been pretty ecstatic about spreading the word to anyone else that has to deal with Midwest crust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 12, 2022, 03:32:53 PM
It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 12, 2022, 03:36:34 PM
It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.

I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lamfordie on August 12, 2022, 06:33:24 PM
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
Say what you say about this dude but I felt like this was a good comparison of the Powell wheel. Tested it with 3 other wheels and made a fair assessment.

Didn't know Bones is coming out with their version. Wonder when they will come out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 12, 2022, 06:35:01 PM
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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.
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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing

If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.


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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 12, 2022, 07:23:03 PM
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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.
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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing
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If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.


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Here's another annoying paid for promotional dragons vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wwmmaXElW0
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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'

Yes, but you like hard wheels. I have never gone above 99a so I would say why do we need a wheel harder than 101a and who cares about a B scale but you would probably scoff at my ignorance.

I can tell the difference between 99a, 98a, 97a, 95a and now 93a. I have ridden them all and know what I would pick for different set-ups or phases.

I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on August 12, 2022, 07:57:34 PM
https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
Say what you say about this dude but I felt like this was a good comparison of the Powell wheel. Tested it with 3 other wheels and made a fair assessment.

Didn't know Bones is coming out with their version. Wonder when they will come out.

He is sponsored by Powell and doesn't disclose this (I didn't bother watching the whole video so I don't know if he did disclose this later on, but generally this should be done at the beginning).

In general, you guys need to stop treating videos from Youtubers that Powell sponsors as unbiased reviews :v

- Zach Dolleing
- Dan Corrigan
- Christopher Hiett
- Whoever else has a Youtube channel in here: https://powell-peralta.com/team/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 12, 2022, 08:22:31 PM
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https://youtu.be/KmnH0uqXasU
Say what you say about this dude but I felt like this was a good comparison of the Powell wheel. Tested it with 3 other wheels and made a fair assessment.

Didn't know Bones is coming out with their version. Wonder when they will come out.
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He is sponsored by Powell and doesn't disclose this (I didn't bother watching the whole video so I don't know if he did disclose this later on, but generally this should be done at the beginning).

In general, you guys need to stop treating videos from Youtubers that Powell sponsors as unbiased reviews :v

- Zach Dolleing
- Dan Corrigan
- Christopher Hiett
- Whoever else has a Youtube channel in here: https://powell-peralta.com/team/

Damn, good call. I had no idea who this guy was. That's scummy as fuck. I watched the video when it first got posted here, and I don't recall him disclosing that in the video.

EDIT: Looking at the thumbnail, I guess I should have known because who the fuck rides Powell Peralta griptape unless they are getting it for free lol...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 12, 2022, 09:32:31 PM
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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.
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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing
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If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.


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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'
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Yes, but you like hard wheels. I have never gone above 99a so I would say why do we need a wheel harder than 101a and who cares about a B scale but you would probably scoff at my ignorance.

I can tell the difference between 99a, 98a, 97a, 95a and now 93a. I have ridden them all and know what I would pick for different set-ups or phases.

I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.


I still have some of the older Spitfire 92 and 95 Soft Ds (which are reasonable but not great), as well as the original formula 92s, 95s and 97s (which seem to hold up better), so although I have preferences for each with different terrain, I would also prefer something like the F4 95 duro wheels over the 97s, if it came down to it.

Sure the Formula Four 97s in both Conical Full and Classic shapes that I bought and have on boards are a bit more of an easier ride than the 99s or 101s on some things, but the 95s are just in the right duro bracket for all rounders, if the 99s are a bit too slippery.

If I had to choose, I would use the 99s as my normal wheel, then the 95s as my softer go to, but that is just me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 12, 2022, 10:21:10 PM


If I had to choose, I would use the 99s as my normal wheel, then the 95s as my softer go to, but that is just me.

100%.

Options are good. There is enough difference between the 99s and 97s that I am sure the 95s will be different enough to suit some people better than the 97s. I believe Spitfire have been talking about these for awhile... I'm curious if they are working on a new softer cruiser type wheel also, as the 80HDs really aren't that great and don't seem to be that available anymore.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jennydeath on August 13, 2022, 09:46:13 AM
any word on the bones experimental wheel release?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on August 13, 2022, 10:02:34 AM
any word on the bones experimental wheel release?

latest news was this i believe?

Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on August 13, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.

I'm old enough to remember all this.

Before STFs, you'd hear the flatspotted wheel motorcycle sound every other day at the skatepark.

When STFs came out nobody wanted to skate anything else.

Then Formula 4s came out and within 2 years no one (on the east coast at least) was riding anything else.

If history repeats itself and we get even better wheels from both Bones and Spitfire that sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jennydeath on August 13, 2022, 10:36:07 AM
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any word on the bones experimental wheel release?
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latest news was this i believe?

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Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
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thanks!

anyone skate those Jim greco 55 conical wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 13, 2022, 10:58:37 AM
I ran into a Bones sponsored rider at a skateshop yesterday and he had 95s on his board. They had a graphic on them. I asked how he liked them and the dragons and he said "they're a bit slow and sticky but great at (insert some spot name I don't remember" and he was putting on a fresh set of SPF since he's a park/X Games dude. Apparently he thought when he landed certain airs he felt they pushed him off balance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8n hugon on August 13, 2022, 12:50:59 PM
A word on the durability of the Dragon wheels: I have heard multiple people say that they are durable despite being soft. That has not been my experience. 2 of 4 wheels are already worn down to 48 from 52, and my back heel wheel has edge flat spots from poor form sliding while pivoting out of board slides on curbs. Never had those on any other wheel. The wheel looks really weird if you look at it from the side. It’s not flatspotted across the wheel though, so no helicopter sound. Regardless, I still love these wheels and will ride them for everything except bowls.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 13, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
Damn just measured my prototype 95s which were 54, they’re all 52 now and Iv skate them no more than ten times total. Maybe they do shrink a lil faster. Small chunk too but no flat spots for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 13, 2022, 02:31:31 PM
Softer will wear faster especially since everyone is probably trying to slide these as much as they can to verify Powell's claims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 13, 2022, 05:32:20 PM
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It’s all good my dude!

Hubs/cores change the feel of wheels more than most realize; we don’t even know what duro those cores are…same as the wheel? Softer? Harder? Each one would have a different feel for sure.

I’m doubtful these would replace the 99a spit but a more forgiving wheel that feels like 100+ would be pretty special.
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I'm doubtful that it'll feel like a 100+. At least in terms of riding. Personally I don't see the need for anything that feels harder than an f4 99a unless you only skate perfect parks, in which case an stf should work just fine?

These 93as feel pretty true to 93 to me, like a 93-95ish vibe. So a 97 will probably perform like a harder wheel? But probably feel like a true 97 when riding. Just guessing
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If the 95/97 come close the feel of the 97a spit but aren't gummy dead feeling/perform like a hard wheel, I'd a happy camper...but if they feel super close to a 99a spit, slide just as well or better, but are more forgiving...

I'd never choose these over a 101 spit or 103stf or SPF (or OJ elite 101a) in a park setting...makes zero sense unless that park is torn up/has a ton of primo pit marks.


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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
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Having skated the 97a F4, I honestly can't figure out the need for a 95a F4....same goes for the Bones x...we're talking to duro here 95/97a logic would say 'just pick one'
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Yes, but you like hard wheels. I have never gone above 99a so I would say why do we need a wheel harder than 101a and who cares about a B scale but you would probably scoff at my ignorance.

I can tell the difference between 99a, 98a, 97a, 95a and now 93a. I have ridden them all and know what I would pick for different set-ups or phases.

I suppose there is enough demand for 95a to where Spitfire can’t sit on the sidelines and let Powell eat up that market share. They probably already got caught with their pants down when STF or SPF hit the market.
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I still have some of the older Spitfire 92 and 95 Soft Ds (which are reasonable but not great), as well as the original formula 92s, 95s and 97s (which seem to hold up better), so although I have preferences for each with different terrain, I would also prefer something like the F4 95 duro wheels over the 97s, if it came down to it.

Sure the Formula Four 97s in both Conical Full and Classic shapes that I bought and have on boards are a bit more of an easier ride than the 99s or 101s on some things, but the 95s are just in the right duro bracket for all rounders, if the 99s are a bit too slippery.

If I had to choose, I would use the 99s as my normal wheel, then the 95s as my softer go to, but that is just me.

Oh. I had a set of the 92 soft D’Souza. Worst of all worlds with that one! The 80hds were a huge improvement(after the whole wheels ripping thing was addressed) the sucked for nose/tails but worked fine for everything else. I could even get reverts on transition if I was drunk enough to forget I was riding my cruiser.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 13, 2022, 05:53:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWTXkn4G-k

i swear he said he wasn't gonna review them but i'm all for more Ben content
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on August 13, 2022, 11:07:52 PM
What I got out of the video was

Dragon 93a is smoother and slower than Spit F4 97a, but while they stick a bit more than a hard wheel, SF 97a are stickier.

Dragons are suboptimal for smooth conditions, but maybe the best all-round wheel for rough ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 14, 2022, 03:07:44 AM
Daddy Ben coming to the rescue and making me accept that I don't need these wheels. Thank you.

The consensus from experience (and also physics) is that a wider riding surface should powerslide better on rough ground, right? So the 97a even had an advantage in terms of shape and still slides worse. Powell really made something weird and great here. Still no idea if I'm gonna get 95a or 97a, but 93a isn't the one for me.

Btw do you guys think it would be smart for bones to completely drop (the current) 99a? Because they clearly are inferior to f4 99a. Maybe bones 97a will be the new 99a. I trust Ben when he says the 93a dragons slide as good or better than the 99a bones, because those kinda suck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 14, 2022, 07:06:28 AM
Softer will wear faster especially since everyone is probably trying to slide these as much as they can to verify Powell's claims.

Yeah, softer wheels are less dense and will wear more quickly. My 54mm 97a Spitfires would always be at ~50mm within a couple of months of regular skating. Comes with the terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 14, 2022, 07:43:53 AM
What I got out of the video was

Dragon 93a is smoother and slower than Spit F4 97a, but while they stick a bit more than a hard wheel, SF 97a are stickier.

Dragons are suboptimal for smooth conditions, but maybe the best all-round wheel for rough ones.

Basically what every beta-tester on Slap has been saying for two months now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 14, 2022, 09:24:14 AM
Except our pall Fuzz and a few other minions, but fuck it, it's wheels, try them and if you hate them sell them. It's not a house.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 14, 2022, 12:01:08 PM
Except our pall Fuzz and a few other minions, but fuck it, it's wheels, try them and if you hate them sell them. It's not a house.

Dude, you have an unhealthily obsession with me. You gotta chill with that. I've been ignoring you, but it's getting out of hand.

Have you ever been checked for a learning disorder, specifically in regards to reading comprehension? I never once said I personally grinded with these wheels as you keep continually lying about.

People entered the thread asking about the wheels and I summarized what other users already said in the thread. I also summarized those kooked out vlogs so no one else has to watch that shit. I am able to watch them on a second monitor while working, not everyone has the luxury to waste 25 mins of their life watching some barely editted vlogs like you and I do.

I said "grinds seem to depend on the type of grind and the surface, but nothing seems to really be a deal breaker" and you started crying about how bad you are at crooks and how you're afraid to skate faster when doing slappy grinds, and started flaming and saying everyone who disagrees with you is bad at skating.

Guess what. Ben did crooks, bluntslides, and lipslides and said that these wheels were 8/10 slides for all of them when compared to hard ass wheels. He literally is agreeing with everyone in the thread besides you, while you are tweaking out and insulting people for disagreeing with you.

Someone posted a video of them doing a crooked grind slappy saying they grind great and you went "no, actually they didn't grind great for you" and started an argument with them.

I'm not sure what's going on in your personal life, but you're giving me major divorced-guy energy right now with how you keep acting. Quit being a freak.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 14, 2022, 12:11:03 PM
So far the most impressive thing about these wheels is their ability to cause virtual interpersonal conflict.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 14, 2022, 12:35:20 PM
So far the most impressive thing about these wheels is their ability to cause virtual interpersonal conflict.

It's all just that one kook picking fights with several different people.

Sorry for derailing the thread. That was about the tenth time he's said something about me, including going through every single page of my post history to comment about me skating Fallens 10 years ago. Going back to ignoring him.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 14, 2022, 01:00:06 PM
Hey Kook here, there's several of us disagreeing with you. Now Ben Degros too. I clicked on the last 2 pages of your history which took about 3 minutes. It's a useful thing to do sometimes, like when a poster was going on about not getting Ventures loose enough yet posted a trick tip asking about how to do 50-50's on a curb. Sometimes it provides valuable context.

In your case you were making a debunked claim that some wheels slid and grinded as good as 99 F4, then later that you didn't do much of that. You were one of the first posters who come up in a Google search and that context might be useful to someone trying to find an accurate review.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 14, 2022, 01:19:06 PM
Hey Kook here, there's several of us disagreeing with you. Now Ben Degros too. I clicked on the last 2 pages of your history which took about 3 minutes. It's a useful thing to do sometimes, like when a poster was going on about not getting Ventures loose enough yet posted a trick tip asking about how to do 50-50's on a curb. Sometimes it provides valuable context.

In your case you were making a debunked claim that some wheels slid and grinded as good as 99 F4, then later that you didn't do much of that. You were one of the first posters who come up in a Google search and that context might be useful to someone trying to find an accurate review.

You are delusional or illiterate. There's others disagreeing, you are the only one starting arguments over and over again with several users across multiple threads.

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And you said the slide is comparable, both on ledges and powerslides in the street?
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They are slightly harder to initiate slides but in a way that you can get used to. Once you start sliding they are similar in slideability but more controllable. The initiating is slightly worse, but the actual slide and revert are better in my opinion.

From what everyone has said: depending on the combination of surface and the grind you might run into some friction issues, but it's kind of hard to predict. It doesn't seem like any grinds are bad enough to be a deal breaker.

They have so many upsides over F4 99a that it's worth those small trade offs. Just be patient the first week getting used to the slide difference and you will fall in love with everything else about them. These wheels are really something else.

I made it very clear from the start I was talking about them sliding on ground. Everything else was me summarizing videos and posts from others. And its EXACTLY what Ben Degros said in the video: It depends on the grind and the surface, but nothing is a deal breaker.

EDIT: Here, I bolded everything for you to help with your reading comprehension issues.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on August 14, 2022, 01:42:36 PM
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 14, 2022, 01:43:55 PM
Alright dude I give up you win, but July 22nd wasn't your first post and argument about em.

Anyways, giving these a shot at the slappy spot tomorrow that is slightly uphill and see if I can get used to em better. 95s could be my ticket if they do angle iron better so I can also use them at home on my ramps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 14, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
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lol



You are delusional or illiterate. There's others disagreeing, you are the only one starting arguments over and over again with several users across multiple threads.

That's what he does, dude. He likes to argue/stir shit up. Just look at his post history; He'll dig up a post from 10yrs ago to hopefully score a win.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 14, 2022, 05:25:44 PM
Who knew a longboard wheel would be such a disruptor……..reverse kingpin tensor would be something else…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 14, 2022, 05:30:44 PM
I've done that twice, once to Fuzzy-boi, once to the example I gave above. Usually when you want to frame an argument and gain context you try to gather some sort of background evidence and if you are an adult with average reading speed the extra 5 minutes can potentially save you some headache in trying gear recommend by a neurotic person that probably isn't even skilled enough or stringent enough in a analyzing something for it to matter.

Y'all just wanna pick on me and not the other posters saying the same shit albeit more diplomatically because it's easier for you and then you can deflect the actual argument I might be making. Like you and when you told me to step up and try Royals since I bashed them and I did, noted where I was wrong, and you still were a turd. But not before sending a message and blocking me like a child so I couldn't respond.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 14, 2022, 06:30:01 PM
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 14, 2022, 06:34:26 PM
Huh, I actually didn't know that's how the ignore function worked (good to know) as you are the first and only ignore.

Truth be told, I was hoping it would wipe your entire presence from my feed/view of the forum, e.g, hiding each and every one of your posts due to not valuing your opinion; I didn't know it only blocked messages. When I could still 'see' you I figured the feature was broken.

Shame it doesn't work that way, cuz here we are.

--

Anyway, wheels. Based on all cumulative data prior to, and post release, it was plain as day as what we were going to get (and they delivered).

Personally, as a 'powell' branded wheel, they nailed the 93a drop.

The forthcoming 'Bones-X' formula, that's the market 'we' should really be looking at when making critical comparisons to the current champ (spit) and second place STFs @ 99a/101a/103a+

Why TF do you think they put the first release, a 93a, under Powell in the first place...they know exactly which market [re-issues] they are targeting and surely knew it wouldn't compete with F4s/STFs or it would have had Bones branding...you know, like if they made a 90a and put it under ML.





Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 14, 2022, 07:53:13 PM
The best discourse is when you choose to blatantly ignore someone that contributes even when they eventually do it in a manner that is desired.

I agree with your conclusion. I tested the prototypes thinking that maybe Bones would release all of them and wasn't a fan aside from on bad asphalt. Kinda still thought the production would be better (it is), but figured $40 isn't much to try out if they end up being better.

Once we are getting up to 97a I'm wondering how much of this "soft but slides" will still be left. That smoothness is going to diminish if it's anything like the 93 to 95 to 97 difference in the protos.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on August 14, 2022, 11:10:31 PM
Nobody looks good losing his cool over skateboard wheels, brehs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on August 15, 2022, 03:21:06 AM
Anyone tried those 93a dragons on slippery metalramps?
Sometimes I ride a very slippery metal ramp nearby which I cannot ride on bones stf and spitfire 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 15, 2022, 04:02:25 AM
Anyone tried those 93a dragons on slippery metalramps?
Sometimes I ride a very slippery metal ramp nearby which I cannot ride on bones stf and spitfire 99a.

I got cut off by earbudded skater and tried to swerve off the side of a metal quarter pipe and went down hard. It was a hard angle but I was surprised. Not as slick as a new pair of F4s but slick nonetheless.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2022, 09:37:56 AM
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Except our pall Fuzz and a few other minions, but fuck it, it's wheels, try them and if you hate them sell them. It's not a house.
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Dude, you have an unhealthily obsession with me. You gotta chill with that. I've been ignoring you, but it's getting out of hand.

Have you ever been checked for a learning disorder, specifically in regards to reading comprehension? I never once said I personally grinded with these wheels as you keep continually lying about.

People entered the thread asking about the wheels and I summarized what other users already said in the thread. I also summarized those kooked out vlogs so no one else has to watch that shit. I am able to watch them on a second monitor while working, not everyone has the luxury to waste 25 mins of their life watching some barely editted vlogs like you and I do.

I said "grinds seem to depend on the type of grind and the surface, but nothing seems to really be a deal breaker" and you started crying about how bad you are at crooks and how you're afraid to skate faster when doing slappy grinds, and started flaming and saying everyone who disagrees with you is bad at skating.

Guess what. Ben did crooks, bluntslides, and lipslides and said that these wheels were 8/10 slides for all of them when compared to hard ass wheels. He literally is agreeing with everyone in the thread besides you, while you are tweaking out and insulting people for disagreeing with you.

Someone posted a video of them doing a crooked grind slappy saying they grind great and you went "no, actually they didn't grind great for you" and started an argument with them.

I'm not sure what's going on in your personal life, but you're giving me major divorced-guy energy right now with how you keep acting. Quit being a freak.

It's not just you dude, I feel like he follows me around the forum/can't let someone else have the last post in a thread he argued in; He's got issues.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2022, 12:14:20 PM
Answering both of you at once: I don't follow either of you around, you just post in a lot of gear threads as do I and we don't disagree so you remember what I post more.

Yah, I am autistic and also have ADHD and OCD thanks for asking! I really don't read text walls too well on my phone when I am often posting and speed read a lot of stuff. Ergo, my memory for what was said and precisely when it was said is not as great as it is for things that actually matter in life. In the rest of said life I'm actually a technical writer and Machine Learning Eng so yes, I think reading comprehension is OK when I care, but this is fucking Slap of all places.

I think ya'll are taking what I am saying too seriously. I view conversation on Slap as banter that I would have with people I know. People don't often have to agree on shit and can argue and still not hate one another. I dunno what the internet does to people to take it too personally.

I never said I was afraid to do crooks or slappies what on earth are you talking about? I bought these wheels to do those faster at an asphalt slappy spot haha. I mostly dislike them at skateparks and on my DIY ramps in front of my house, which is on an asphalt street (with angle iron and galvanized coping) and again a place where I hoped they would do well. It took Ben making a video for you to believe what myself and @tzhangdox were saying all along.

Why don't you film yourself doing either a normal or slappy crook and I will do the same and we can compare? Maybe include something with coping, a normal cement ledge, and a curb? I've skated with a few people on here and I think all of them would note that is probably my go-to trick so it's something I focus on providing feedback on. I don't like waxing shit and rely on speed, so a wheel catching and slowing down is a deal-breaker.

I agree with Ben, who I am quoting "they slide almost as well, if not better than STF, but are way slower than an F4", which is what I/others ride and are comparing them too. You said they were as good as F4 for grinds and slides hence our original tiff

So now that I have clarified yet again maybe you should do some introspection on your own memory recall, but I won't stoop as low to bring up learning disorders since yes, I have several, and have spent most of my life trying to learn how to communicate better with myself and colleagues and know how frustrating it can be to not be able to converse normally without significant effort.

You're also the one that insulted me by calling me a kook. I do not recall insulting you, just said that you admit you can't or don't do basic grinds and that your last 2 pages of your post history indicate that you nerd out on small details of wheels and never seem fully happy with anything. I hope you are finally at peace with your Powell Dragons!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2022, 12:23:56 PM
I was waiting for that card to be played (again).

Anyway, we’re all kooks here.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on August 15, 2022, 12:54:55 PM
everyone arguing here needs to meet at the playground for a powerslide contest

that will settle it once and for all
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
I was waiting for that card to be played (again).

Anyway, we’re all kooks here.

What card?

See your last statement I totally agree with. We'd probably actually get along in real life.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2022, 05:29:30 PM
I would really like some Spitfire Radials although I 100% do not need them. I really wish they made more of Radials and Radial Slims because I really don't get the point of the conical angled sidewalls, which somehow catch on cracks and I get train-tracked.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 15, 2022, 05:33:09 PM
Saw some acid side cuts. Looked nice but it’s hard to stray from spitfire and worry about flat spots and slide etc
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on August 15, 2022, 06:19:45 PM
So is the problem with the way the marketing of these has been handled? Sort of like they took a page out of the Cariuma book and just flooded the zone?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: animalflesh on August 15, 2022, 06:25:00 PM
Anyone skating pig prime formula?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 15, 2022, 08:15:23 PM
All this dragon talk got me on some V3 STF’s…..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2022, 08:59:29 PM
All this dragon talk got me on some V3 STF’s…..

Been on some V2s since they are nearly identical (just a tad slimmer) to radial slims - which until today were hard as fuck to find and I am pretty sure will continue to be - and a set of V5s. Fucking love that shape.

I find I blunt slide better on 103 STFs than 101 F4s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 15, 2022, 09:13:22 PM
I would really like some Spitfire Radials although I 100% do not need them. I really wish they made more of Radials and Radial Slims because I really don't get the point of the conical angled sidewalls, which somehow catch on cracks and I get train-tracked.

Tactics has radial slims randomly in stock though only 52/54mm in 101A. I had a couple sets of 51mm 101A a few years back and loved them FWIW

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slim-skateboard-wheels/venomous-101d

*Edit: While I'm here, SkateWarehouse has lock ins in stock now too - 52mm 99A

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Lock-In_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4L9WH.html
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2022, 09:58:59 PM
I've weaned myself off radial slims and won't go back to them until they become a regular drop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2022, 10:19:42 PM
I've actually never ridden Bones because I haven't taken the time to decode all their formulas and shapes. What's the equivalent of a 99 F4?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 15, 2022, 10:22:02 PM
I love a Conical Full, but I've literally only skated the F4s in 101 and 97. I've got my 101s worn down from 54 to probably ~50mm now, so I'll probably want some freshies soon - should I fuck with 99a? I almost have a hard time believing there would be a noticeable difference between 101 and 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on August 15, 2022, 11:03:40 PM
I've actually never ridden Bones because I haven't taken the time to decode all their formulas and shapes. What's the equivalent of a 99 F4?

Don't bother they suck

I love a Conical Full, but I've literally only skated the F4s in 101 and 97. I've got my 101s worn down from 54 to probably ~50mm now, so I'll probably want some freshies soon - should I fuck with 99a? I almost have a hard time believing there would be a noticeable difference between 101 and 99.

I've ridden the 99A and 101A in radial slim shape (52mm and 51mm, respectively). I wouldn't say there's a huge difference outside of what you can just assume. Obligatory Ben video share since he can probably articulate the differences a lot better than I

https://youtu.be/xUNpxgyfiQ0
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 16, 2022, 12:14:50 AM
Because people keep asking a bunch of random wheel questions, I'll just rattle off what I know.

Spitfire -> Bones
Classic = V1
Tablets/Lock-Ins = V2
Classic Slim/Radial Slim = V3
Radial = V4
Conical = V5
Conical Full = V6

There are differences, but those are the ones to compare.

STF 99a WOULD be pretty great overall BUT the slide is so abysmal, unreliable, and honestly dangerous, that I say avoid them at all costs. Apparently the old bright white ones used to slide great? But the natural color ones they make now are unskateable for me. I would probably wait for the Bones 95a/97a wheels to come out if you're really curious about something like STF 99a. It really shocks me whenever I see or hear a pro riding STF 99a. My experience was truly awful in terms of the slide randomly going from extremely sticky to zero friction at all.

I love a Conical Full, but I've literally only skated the F4s in 101 and 97. I've got my 101s worn down from 54 to probably ~50mm now, so I'll probably want some freshies soon - should I fuck with 99a? I almost have a hard time believing there would be a noticeable difference between 101 and 99.

F4 99a are a lot more fun than F4 97a in my opinion, but definitely will struggle with the really crusty spots unlike 97a. They slide A LOT better than 97a from my experience. If you're doing typical street skating at some relatively clean spots, they are some of the best ~99a range wheel you can get alongside Dragon 93a (which feel somewhere in between those two wheels to me).

I haven't skated F4 101a, but F4 99a are definitely a more appropriate wheel for any slight crust than say STF 103a or OJ Elite 101a are. I definitely recommend them to take the edge off, but don't expect to be able to skate to and from every spot with them like you can with F4 97a... but once you're at the spot, you will be glad you're not on F4 97a anymore IMO.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mj23 on August 16, 2022, 04:48:54 AM
Clayton Graul did a little review of the Powell dragon formula on his ig

http://www.instagram.com/reel/ChT0udeAeiK/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

This guy has made a ton of fun DIYs around LA and he isn’t some YouTuber kook. His basic takeaway is that the dragons work great as a cruiser wheel that can actually slide, but they aren’t going to magically replace most serious street or transition skaters’ current favorites
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 16, 2022, 06:30:25 AM
I find that the wheel shape really effects F4 performance on certain ground types. I loved 54 conical fulls and OG classics when I commuted and hit a few pretty gnarly spots. While not the same diameter 52-53 Classics were definitely more harsh and would slow over really bad crumble.

Right now I have 54 Classic Fulls worn down to 52. They're 34 wide, 22.5 contact patch and kinda like a slightly worn Radial. Basically a perfect wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 16, 2022, 07:36:08 AM
Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 16, 2022, 07:47:28 AM
Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?

Temperature can be a factor with soft wheels also. I did notice that I could push my bearings in with my thumb and that is not a great start for new wheels. Now I am running my wheels with less play in the axel than I like, but hopefully the bearings won’t shift.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 16, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
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Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?
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Temperature can be a factor with soft wheels also. I did notice that I could push my bearings in with my thumb and that is not a great start for new wheels. Now I am running my wheels with less play in the axel than I like, but hopefully the bearings won’t shift.

Good point about the temperature.  It was in the low 90's out when this happened.  I'll continue skating them to see if this keeps happening
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 16, 2022, 08:35:26 AM
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All this dragon talk got me on some V3 STF’s…..
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Been on some V2s since they are nearly identical (just a tad slimmer) to radial slims - which until today were hard as fuck to find and I am pretty sure will continue to be - and a set of V5s. Fucking love that shape.

I find I blunt slide better on 103 STFs than 101 F4s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I always thought the tablets were the same no?  That’s why I always liked v2’s because they look like tablets.  I got v3’s because I figure they will wear down nicely into just really small wheels…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 16, 2022, 10:03:43 AM
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Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?
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Temperature can be a factor with soft wheels also. I did notice that I could push my bearings in with my thumb and that is not a great start for new wheels. Now I am running my wheels with less play in the axel than I like, but hopefully the bearings won’t shift.

This is very true. My 97a Spitfires would become super mushy feeling (more so than they already did) at any temperature over ~80°f, and god help you if they get wet. On the other hand, skating on a 40°F day and they could actually bark on skatepark concrete.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2022, 10:21:38 AM
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All this dragon talk got me on some V3 STF’s…..
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Been on some V2s since they are nearly identical (just a tad slimmer) to radial slims - which until today were hard as fuck to find and I am pretty sure will continue to be - and a set of V5s. Fucking love that shape.

I find I blunt slide better on 103 STFs than 101 F4s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I always thought the tablets were the same no?  That’s why I always liked v2’s because they look like tablets.  I got v3’s because I figure they will wear down nicely into just really small wheels…

Yeah, they are super close, V2s have a more rounded lip like the Radial slim and height being equal (52mm), a smaller riding surface than either tablet or RSlim. 52 V2/V3 are identical width and contact, just different lip.

The Ricta Nyjal Super Slim is still [was] the best. Slimmer than all of the above in all aspects. Shame they're gone for good since he's not on the team anymore/the ricta super slim natural isn't the same as the nyjal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 16, 2022, 12:12:18 PM
Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?

Do you use spacers in these wheels?

Sometimes the spacers can be too long which then cause the bearings to shift and your wheels getting stuck over time. Just my experience with other softer wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 16, 2022, 03:15:40 PM
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Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?
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Do you use spacers in these wheels?

Sometimes the spacers can be too long which then cause the bearings to shift and your wheels getting stuck over time. Just my experience with other softer wheels.

No spacers because having previously used them in other wheels, I experienced the same issue.  Wheel tolerances are terrible so spacers rarely work as intended
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 16, 2022, 03:37:02 PM
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Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?
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Do you use spacers in these wheels?

Sometimes the spacers can be too long which then cause the bearings to shift and your wheels getting stuck over time. Just my experience with other softer wheels.


The bearings can definitely move, even with spacers. but tightened down will not move as much.  I normally have a lot of play in my wheels, but some like that set, I had to have almost no play and make sure the spacers were a good length too.

I had some softer Spitfire wheels that I rode on a slippery ramp I used to skate all the time.  Whenever I did certain tricks like pushed hard into smith grinds, that pressure on the wheel would push it off center on the bearings, which took me a bit to work out, but after every run, I would push and pull the wheels to get the bearings back in to where they were supposed to be to get them freely spinning again.

That overall was such a pain, but I got used to doing it after a while, so it was not too bad.  Have a run, stop, push and pull (click click) and have another run.

When I had the chance to change wheels, I never looked back though.



* Re spacers, I almost forgot, but I found with some brands, I could tighten the nuts down equally on both sides, then tighten it another half turn or so which crushed the spacers in a bit, which made them fit in the wheels better.  Not recommended for any and every situation (as I could see bearings being crushed too) but it did work when there was too much length in the spacers and they fit better as a result.

I used to do that to even up axle slip on older trucks, which was a common problem once, so just happened on it by mistake really, but it worked.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 16, 2022, 09:23:47 PM
i likely got in the habit of spacers sometime in the 92-97a era. late 80s. i never had a wheel kick the bearings out till the late 90s. i seen it happen extreamly bad to the homie. all four Omar OJ sigs would push out. if you tried to tighten the axles the wheels wouldn't roll. he road them for like 2 years anyway. loose and funny looking
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 17, 2022, 12:30:07 AM
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All this dragon talk got me on some V3 STF’s…..
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Been on some V2s since they are nearly identical (just a tad slimmer) to radial slims - which until today were hard as fuck to find and I am pretty sure will continue to be - and a set of V5s. Fucking love that shape.

I find I blunt slide better on 103 STFs than 101 F4s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I always thought the tablets were the same no?  That’s why I always liked v2’s because they look like tablets.  I got v3’s because I figure they will wear down nicely into just really small wheels…
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Yeah, they are super close, V2s have a more rounded lip like the Radial slim and height being equal (52mm), a smaller riding surface than either tablet or RSlim. 52 V2/V3 are identical width and contact, just different lip.

The Ricta Nyjal Super Slim is still [was] the best. Slimmer than all of the above in all aspects. Shame they're gone for good since he's not on the team anymore/the ricta super slim natural isn't the same as the nyjal.

Have you tried Satori? They have some very skinny wheels, with a narrow contact patch.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_ba51763aad1343ca96355ca301534f91~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_451,h_584,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/IMG_0081_JPG.jpg)
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_606c11bd73bc415c913a9d2b574eff94~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_455,h_580,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/IMG_0084_JPG.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CaptainCheeks on August 17, 2022, 05:56:44 AM
Looks like Nick Boserio is testing the OG combo shape in 56 mm with same width and contact patch as the 60mm hopefully OJ makes enough because these would be a fun set of wheels to skate

(https://i.ibb.co/RhJ6D94/Screenshot-20220817-040211.png) (https://ibb.co/RhJ6D94)

(https://i.ibb.co/tqkVJ5H/Screenshot-20220817-040205.png) (https://ibb.co/tqkVJ5H)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 17, 2022, 06:54:05 AM
Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?

Maybe that’s why they ran the test ones with cores?  Not sure why they would switch back if this is an issue.  Bones historically have the most accurate cores but maybe with the new formula there is some give….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on August 17, 2022, 08:01:19 AM
Looks like Nick Boserio is testing the OG combo shape in 56 mm with same width and contact patch as the 60mm hopefully OJ makes enough because these would be a fun set of wheels to skate

(https://i.ibb.co/RhJ6D94/Screenshot-20220817-040211.png) (https://ibb.co/RhJ6D94)

(https://i.ibb.co/tqkVJ5H/Screenshot-20220817-040205.png) (https://ibb.co/tqkVJ5H)

the graphic clearly says 60mm.
Maybe they're 56mm wide?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 17, 2022, 08:18:14 AM
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All this dragon talk got me on some V3 STF’s…..
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Been on some V2s since they are nearly identical (just a tad slimmer) to radial slims - which until today were hard as fuck to find and I am pretty sure will continue to be - and a set of V5s. Fucking love that shape.

I find I blunt slide better on 103 STFs than 101 F4s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I always thought the tablets were the same no?  That’s why I always liked v2’s because they look like tablets.  I got v3’s because I figure they will wear down nicely into just really small wheels…
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Yeah, they are super close, V2s have a more rounded lip like the Radial slim and height being equal (52mm), a smaller riding surface than either tablet or RSlim. 52 V2/V3 are identical width and contact, just different lip.

The Ricta Nyjal Super Slim is still [was] the best. Slimmer than all of the above in all aspects. Shame they're gone for good since he's not on the team anymore/the ricta super slim natural isn't the same as the nyjal.
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Have you tried Satori? They have some very skinny wheels, with a narrow contact patch.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_ba51763aad1343ca96355ca301534f91~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_451,h_584,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/IMG_0081_JPG.jpg)
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_606c11bd73bc415c913a9d2b574eff94~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_455,h_580,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/IMG_0084_JPG.jpg)

The satori’s felt soft for 101s. They’re fine, but personally didn’t find the slide as smooth as a 99f4 or bones 99, but they rolled on the DIY ground well enough.

Crupie also has some very slim wheels but they are prone to flat spot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CaptainCheeks on August 17, 2022, 08:47:32 AM
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Looks like Nick Boserio is testing the OG combo shape in 56 mm with same width and contact patch as the 60mm hopefully OJ makes enough because these would be a fun set of wheels to skate

(https://i.ibb.co/RhJ6D94/Screenshot-20220817-040211.png) (https://ibb.co/RhJ6D94)

(https://i.ibb.co/tqkVJ5H/Screenshot-20220817-040205.png) (https://ibb.co/tqkVJ5H)
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the graphic clearly says 60mm.
Maybe they're 56mm wide?

Nall messaged him they are gonna be 56 mm also if you zoom in they drew a 56 on the wheel they just reused the graphic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: saltusnaut on August 17, 2022, 08:51:26 AM
Ok then
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on August 17, 2022, 10:36:30 AM
Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?

I used to have this problem really bad with bones wheels (V1, V3) and this is why I switched to F4s. With the bones, it would get to the point that after 1-2 months of skating the bering seats where so slack that when I took the wheel off the truck, the bearings would fall out of the wheel without any force- just by tipping the wheel sideways. I have been getting this issue with F4 radial slims and classics, though not to the same extent as with bones, but it will still happen at least twice every session. My theory is that they (the manufacturers) make the bearing seats too loose to start with (to make things easier for when the user sets their wheels up) and that makes it more prone for the bearing to begin slipping. Once it begins to slip, it only gets worse with time. I used to really like the classic formula wheels from back in the day (minus the flatspotting) when the bearings used to be a nightmare to insert or take out of the wheel. I believe that this is how all wheels should be made. If someone is a child or generally too weak to insert their bearings in their wheels they can always ask their parents or a stronger friend to do it for them.
I found that if I use a cloth to wipe the oil off the outer surfaces of new bearings, the lateral shift takes longer to start happening.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 17, 2022, 10:48:38 AM
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Cross post from the other Dragons thread to see if I'm the only one experiencing this -

After a 3 hour session, it seemed like I was having to push more or the wheels just weren’t as fast.

The bearings were shifting around slightly and causing my wheels to get tight.  I would have to use my thumbs to push the outside of the wheel against the hanger or axle nut in order to get them seated and spinning correctly.

I’ve only had this issue with Radial Slims previously.  I’m not sure if it’s a bearing seat issue or how soft the wheels are.

Anyone else had this happen?
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I used to have this problem really bad with bones wheels (V1, V3) and this is why I switched to F4s. With the bones, it would get to the point that after 1-2 months of skating the bering seats where so slack that when I took the wheel off the truck, the bearings would fall out of the wheel without any force- just by tipping the wheel sideways. I have been getting this issue with F4 radial slims and classics, though not to the same extent as with bones, but it will still happen at least twice every session. My theory is that they (the manufacturers) make the bearing seats too loose to start with (to make things easier for when the user sets their wheels up) and that makes it more prone for the bearing to begin slipping. Once it begins to slip, it only gets worse with time. I used to really like the classic formula wheels from back in the day (minus the flatspotting) when the bearings used to be a nightmare to insert or take out of the wheel. I believe that this is how all wheels should be made. If someone is a child or generally too weak to insert their bearings in their wheels they can always ask their parents or a stronger friend to do it for them.
I found that if I use a cloth to wipe the oil off the outer surfaces of new bearings, the lateral shift takes longer to start happening.


It shouldn't matter in the slightest, but I found some bearing brands have a tendency to slip out a whole lot more easily than some others.

Just curious what you are running in your wheels?

All the same brand of bearings, or have you had multiple sets of bearings do the same thing?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Esquivel on August 17, 2022, 10:59:27 AM
^It has happened with bones swiss (normal ones & super 6), bones reds, spitfire cheapshots, and my friend had the same issue with bronsons. He could spin the wheel with the bearing staying stationary and the wheel spinning around the bearing. It has happened in hot and cold weather, and I have been having this issue since around 2010. So it has been happening on different ground, different conditions as I travel a lot, and on multiple sets of wheels.
I also forgot to say that I don't go mad on the powerslides and that when the bearings slip it is usually after bailing a trick and the board goes tumbling around. Very strange thing..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 17, 2022, 01:12:26 PM
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Been on some V2s since they are nearly identical (just a tad slimmer) to radial slims - which until today were hard as fuck to find and I am pretty sure will continue to be - and a set of V5s. Fucking love that shape.

I find I blunt slide better on 103 STFs than 101 F4s ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I always thought the tablets were the same no?  That’s why I always liked v2’s because they look like tablets.  I got v3’s because I figure they will wear down nicely into just really small wheels…
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Yeah, they are super close, V2s have a more rounded lip like the Radial slim and height being equal (52mm), a smaller riding surface than either tablet or RSlim. 52 V2/V3 are identical width and contact, just different lip.

The Ricta Nyjal Super Slim is still [was] the best. Slimmer than all of the above in all aspects. Shame they're gone for good since he's not on the team anymore/the ricta super slim natural isn't the same as the nyjal.
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Have you tried Satori? They have some very skinny wheels, with a narrow contact patch.

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_ba51763aad1343ca96355ca301534f91~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_451,h_584,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/IMG_0081_JPG.jpg)
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/777e05_606c11bd73bc415c913a9d2b574eff94~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_455,h_580,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/IMG_0084_JPG.jpg)
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The satori’s felt soft for 101s. They’re fine, but personally didn’t find the slide as smooth as a 99f4 or bones 99, but they rolled on the DIY ground well enough.

Crupie also has some very slim wheels but they are prone to flat spot.

Yeah, creative/mearthane gets a full pass from me...everything is grippy, soft and just sort of meh.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dmtr on August 17, 2022, 02:01:34 PM
 If I can blame my setup for my lack of skill, I always will.
So I just switched out my Spitfire classic shape 54 mm wheels for the dragons 54 mm and skated for 2 hours in a concrete skatepark.

They ride very smooth and silent, and they have like a spongy/bouncy feel to them.
Other than that, I have nothing to say about them. Didn’t even think of doing powerslides, cause I’m not doing them with my spitfires if I don’t have to…landed nothing but some ollies and a shove-it.

Point is, while my reply is totally useless… they are just fine wheels. Just like the spits but different. I really should stop buying new shit and focus more on skating. They are just wheels… and I didn’t skate better. Leaves me wondering how good some people must be to actually promote/bash new products.

But hey, I’m also an adult and spending money on toys is fun. Now I have 2 sets of totally fine wheels. I just ordered new trucks btw,so I can set up 2 boards. Cause…it was probably the indys that didnt match the dragons very well. Once I get my new Thunders and pair ‘em with the Dragons… oooh boi.





Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 17, 2022, 04:00:07 PM
Dude, don't do Thunders and Dragons. I ride Thunders and have adapted to the lack of baseplate, but got fucking bucked on my Dragons when I got a bit lazy and didn't lift my tail as high on a nose slide at the skatepark. It was my first hit of the tall box for the day and rightfully put me in my place.

Also, if you want to believe the internet you can't ride crust, wheels over 50mm, and carve transition on Thunders and their kingpin is going to impale you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: CaptainCheeks on August 17, 2022, 04:24:09 PM
Looks like im wrong nick said oj wont make em he made em custom
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on August 17, 2022, 05:36:43 PM
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Looks like Nick Boserio is testing the OG combo shape in 56 mm with same width and contact patch as the 60mm hopefully OJ makes enough because these would be a fun set of wheels to skate

(https://i.ibb.co/RhJ6D94/Screenshot-20220817-040211.png) (https://ibb.co/RhJ6D94)

(https://i.ibb.co/tqkVJ5H/Screenshot-20220817-040205.png) (https://ibb.co/tqkVJ5H)
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the graphic clearly says 60mm.
Maybe they're 56mm wide?
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Nall messaged him they are gonna be 56 mm also if you zoom in they drew a 56 on the wheel they just reused the graphic

Have some Orange 56 95a mini combos from a few years ago. Same shape as a 56mm slime ball. Good wheel, for sure. Curious about about the round instead of cross shaped innermost hole. That’s usually on the US made NHS wheels, whereas the squarish cross ones are China.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 17, 2022, 07:04:06 PM
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Looks like Nick Boserio is testing the OG combo shape in 56 mm with same width and contact patch as the 60mm hopefully OJ makes enough because these would be a fun set of wheels to skate

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the graphic clearly says 60mm.
Maybe they're 56mm wide?
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Nall messaged him they are gonna be 56 mm also if you zoom in they drew a 56 on the wheel they just reused the graphic
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Have some Orange 56 95a mini combos from a few years ago. Same shape as a 56mm slime ball. Good wheel, for sure. Curious about about the round instead of cross shaped innermost hole. That’s usually on the US made NHS wheels, whereas the squarish cross ones are China.


I thought I saw somewhere that they still make limited runs of the OG 95a and 97a wheels with the same compound in the same molds and even the same dudes making them as they did way back in the day, but only for those special edition wheels now, with everything else including all the new normal 60mm Slimeballs and Elites being made in China.

They might be some of those ones.


Like this:


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/ojii-elite-combo-95a-white-skateboard-wheels-60mm-p16656


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/ojs-wheels-ojii-elite-combo-95a-white-skateboard-wheels-60mm-p16656-38815_image.jpg)



Was this what you had:


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/ojii-elite-mini-combo-95a-orange-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p38333


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/ojs-wheels-ojii-elite-mini-combo-95a-orange-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p38333-94886_image.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dmtr on August 18, 2022, 12:06:59 AM
Dude, don't do Thunders and Dragons. I ride Thunders and have adapted to the lack of baseplate, but got fucking bucked on my Dragons when I got a bit lazy and didn't lift my tail as high on a nose slide at the skatepark. It was my first hit of the tall box for the day and rightfully put me in my place.

Also, if you want to believe the internet you can't ride crust, wheels over 50mm, and carve transition on Thunders and their kingpin is going to impale you.

Ha, thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: stephop on August 18, 2022, 08:39:13 AM
Dude, don't do Thunders and Dragons. I ride Thunders and have adapted to the lack of baseplate, but got fucking bucked on my Dragons when I got a bit lazy and didn't lift my tail as high on a nose slide at the skatepark. It was my first hit of the tall box for the day and rightfully put me in my place.

Also, if you want to believe the internet you can't ride crust, wheels over 50mm, and carve transition on Thunders and their kingpin is going to impale you.

I just rode Thunders and Dragons yesterday the wheels were fine but I couldn't  adapt to my lack of skating this year..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on August 18, 2022, 08:45:11 AM
I can't do bluntslides on Dragons but it might be because I can't do bluntslides.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 18, 2022, 10:41:09 AM
I can't do bluntslides on Dragons but it might be because I can't do bluntslides.

On a nice worn in, waxed concrete ledge they go basically just as good as f4s. But at one of my locals someone built a box thats just raw, kinda unpolished wood on the top. f4s go with a teeny bit of a wax but these dragons wont fucking go at all unless you coat it and make it dangerously slick for everybody else
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: brownjenkin on August 18, 2022, 11:54:40 AM
I just came across a set of 56mm Parkburners while reorganizing my storage space. I don't recall when exactly I got these, but I think they must be over eight years old now. I think I cruised around on them maybe a couple of times.

They don't have the durometer printed on them, but an image search says they're "true 98DU".

I have a set of F4 99D 54mm classics that I'm really enjoying right now and I don't want to mess with my setup. Madness is at an all-time low (relative to my usual suffering). 

Does anyone recall their experience with these?

They definitely don't feel soft, but there is a slightly noticeable give when pressing my nail into them compared to the 99 F4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on August 18, 2022, 02:54:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPtw6irEQI&t=121s

Got a pile of old wheels ready for this. Hope my shop participates.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 18, 2022, 03:01:55 PM
I just came across a set of 56mm Parkburners while reorganizing my storage space. I don't recall when exactly I got these, but I think they must be over eight years old now. I think I cruised around on them maybe a couple of times.

They don't have the durometer printed on them, but an image search says they're "true 98DU".

I have a set of F4 99D 54mm classics that I'm really enjoying right now and I don't want to mess with my setup. Madness is at an all-time low (relative to my usual suffering). 

Does anyone recall their experience with these?

They definitely don't feel soft, but there is a slightly noticeable give when pressing my nail into them compared to the 99 F4s.

Wheels have a shelf life. I believe wheels over 2 years old or so are past their point of usefulness. 10 year old wheels are not going to give you any joy. I say chuck um’.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 18, 2022, 03:22:22 PM
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I just came across a set of 56mm Parkburners while reorganizing my storage space. I don't recall when exactly I got these, but I think they must be over eight years old now. I think I cruised around on them maybe a couple of times.

They don't have the durometer printed on them, but an image search says they're "true 98DU".

I have a set of F4 99D 54mm classics that I'm really enjoying right now and I don't want to mess with my setup. Madness is at an all-time low (relative to my usual suffering). 

Does anyone recall their experience with these?

They definitely don't feel soft, but there is a slightly noticeable give when pressing my nail into them compared to the 99 F4s.
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Wheels have a shelf life. I believe wheels over 2 years old or so are past their point of usefulness. 10 year old wheels are not going to give you any joy. I say chuck um’.
Strong disagree. I have over 5 year old STFs that feel just like new ones. Also some more than 10 year old bones 100s, they roll fine, just slide really bad.

What kind of wheels went bad for you?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on August 18, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
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I just came across a set of 56mm Parkburners while reorganizing my storage space. I don't recall when exactly I got these, but I think they must be over eight years old now. I think I cruised around on them maybe a couple of times.

They don't have the durometer printed on them, but an image search says they're "true 98DU".

I have a set of F4 99D 54mm classics that I'm really enjoying right now and I don't want to mess with my setup. Madness is at an all-time low (relative to my usual suffering). 

Does anyone recall their experience with these?

They definitely don't feel soft, but there is a slightly noticeable give when pressing my nail into them compared to the 99 F4s.
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Wheels have a shelf life. I believe wheels over 2 years old or so are past their point of usefulness. 10 year old wheels are not going to give you any joy. I say chuck um’.
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Strong disagree. I have over 5 year old STFs that feel just like new ones. Also some more than 10 year old bones 100s, they roll fine, just slide really bad.

What kind of wheels went bad for you?

Mostly Spitfire but also OJs and Rictas. Not Bones. I was referring to used wheels. Whenever I put old used wheels back on they always seem to ride slower and less smooth. I feel like wheels degrade overtime. I never used unused wheels that were older than one year so I can’t comment on using unused old wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 18, 2022, 05:23:54 PM
I just came across a set of 56mm Parkburners while reorganizing my storage space. I don't recall when exactly I got these, but I think they must be over eight years old now. I think I cruised around on them maybe a couple of times.

They don't have the durometer printed on them, but an image search says they're "true 98DU".

I have a set of F4 99D 54mm classics that I'm really enjoying right now and I don't want to mess with my setup. Madness is at an all-time low (relative to my usual suffering). 

Does anyone recall their experience with these?

They definitely don't feel soft, but there is a slightly noticeable give when pressing my nail into them compared to the 99 F4s.


Overall F1 were a reasonable quality wheel, but I would definitely take Formula Four over anything and everything else.

I still have some "Park burners" and harder "Street burners" on boards and they roll fine, feeling a bit more like the original formula wheels, but still more prone to flatspots or other issues, when compared to F4s.

That alone is a reason they discontinued them.


Are they just the generic blue bighead graphic or something else?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: brownjenkin on August 18, 2022, 06:16:41 PM
They're these guys in 56mm.

(https://www.saltypeaks.com/pi/p/p14646-Wheels_SpitfireF1ParkBurnersRoyalBlue.jpg)

They've discoloured from bright blue to a strange teal greenish colour.

Might just put em on a cruiser and ride around. I don't think I'll be skating them seriously. I like the F4 too much.

*oops image didn't work
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on August 18, 2022, 06:53:07 PM
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Looks like Nick Boserio is testing the OG combo shape in 56 mm with same width and contact patch as the 60mm hopefully OJ makes enough because these would be a fun set of wheels to skate

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the graphic clearly says 60mm.
Maybe they're 56mm wide?
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Nall messaged him they are gonna be 56 mm also if you zoom in they drew a 56 on the wheel they just reused the graphic
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Have some Orange 56 95a mini combos from a few years ago. Same shape as a 56mm slime ball. Good wheel, for sure. Curious about about the round instead of cross shaped innermost hole. That’s usually on the US made NHS wheels, whereas the squarish cross ones are China.
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I thought I saw somewhere that they still make limited runs of the OG 95a and 97a wheels with the same compound in the same molds and even the same dudes making them as they did way back in the day, but only for those special edition wheels now, with everything else including all the new normal 60mm Slimeballs and Elites being made in China.

They might be some of those ones.


Like this:


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/ojii-elite-combo-95a-white-skateboard-wheels-60mm-p16656


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/ojs-wheels-ojii-elite-combo-95a-white-skateboard-wheels-60mm-p16656-38815_image.jpg)



Was this what you had:


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/ojii-elite-mini-combo-95a-orange-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p38333


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/ojs-wheels-ojii-elite-mini-combo-95a-orange-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p38333-94886_image.jpg)

Yeh, exactly. I’ve got the orange ones. Really decent wheel that made winters in a slippery skatelite park way safer and more fun.

I noticed the different innermost part at a well stocked shop that had just gotten an NHS shipment in late 2019, I think. I’ve got a bad case of rosy retrospection when it comes to late 80’s Speed Wheels, and really like the idea of the “original formula”.  However, I’ve heard for years that the old formulas are just too toxic to make nowadays - which makes me think they’d be using them in the China factory, where safety and environmental concerns are a bit more, well, 35 years behind.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 18, 2022, 07:00:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SPtw6irEQI&t=121s

Got a pile of old wheels ready for this. Hope my shop participates.

I like the idea, but do they re-purpose the wheels as a set of 4? Or are they mixing and matching the wheels, since it looks like they are just pulling wheels out of the cart at randrom?

You could end up with 4 wheels of different formulas, some with cored / non-cored, and mixed colors.

Seeing Karl Watson on Ventures makes me happy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on August 18, 2022, 07:09:22 PM
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Got a pile of old wheels ready for this. Hope my shop participates.
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I like the idea, but do they re-purpose the wheels as a set of 4? Or are they mixing and matching the wheels, since it looks like they are just pulling wheels out of the cart at randrom?

You could end up with 4 wheels of different formulas, some with cored / non-cored, and mixed colors.

Seeing Karl Watson on Ventures makes me happy.

from the video it seems like they are all cored with the original wheel and then have 101 urethane poured around them, that's what i'm taking away at least. i do agree that there's still a lot of wiggle room here, especially after hearing about the recent bones cored v non cored. curious about this though regardless
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on August 18, 2022, 07:14:24 PM
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Got a pile of old wheels ready for this. Hope my shop participates.
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I like the idea, but do they re-purpose the wheels as a set of 4? Or are they mixing and matching the wheels, since it looks like they are just pulling wheels out of the cart at randrom?

You could end up with 4 wheels of different formulas, some with cored / non-cored, and mixed colors.

Seeing Karl Watson on Ventures makes me happy.
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from the video it seems like they are all cored with the original wheel and then have 101 urethane poured around them, that's what i'm taking away at least. i do agree that there's still a lot of wiggle room here, especially after hearing about the recent bones cored v non cored. curious about this though regardless
I mean I have no intention of actually using the satori wheels they make haha. I guess it just feels better putting them to use here than tossing them although I guess giving them to a kid might be a better option.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 18, 2022, 07:27:36 PM
Any of you mad men ever attempt to shave and reshape old wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 18, 2022, 08:07:57 PM
Any of you mad men ever attempt to shave and reshape old wheels.


The two options, depending on how rough and raw you want to do them with an angle grinder, or how much access you have to a lathe.

I don't have access to a lathe like the first post from a friend who does, but I can still get things done, even at a skatepark, as per the second post, which was from a while back now.

Conical Full wheels usually grind down nicely to what could be closer to Radial or Classic edge shape, especially in the bigger sizes, but I also took some Conical shaped wheels down to Radial Slims for a special order as well, as per third post.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CFjeLGPFwzS/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CfVwoFjEp/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcFV17LJ0Sx/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 18, 2022, 11:21:44 PM
Knew ole @Mbrimson88 was going to chime in, love the custom Radial Slim he cut for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mean salto on August 19, 2022, 01:49:49 AM
They're these guys in 56mm.

(https://www.saltypeaks.com/pi/p/p14646-Wheels_SpitfireF1ParkBurnersRoyalBlue.jpg)

They've discoloured from bright blue to a strange teal greenish colour.

Might just put em on a cruiser and ride around. I don't think I'll be skating them seriously. I like the F4 too much.

*oops image didn't work
Lol took these off my board at start of the year because they were down to 45mmish the texture also changed they looked like those little green soaps
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 19, 2022, 07:43:12 AM
I have a few sets of wheels that are still in shrink wrap.
If I store them somewhere dark and dry, they will still be new for the next 2 years, right?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 19, 2022, 08:28:20 AM
I have a few sets of wheels that are still in shrink wrap.
If I store them somewhere dark and dry, they will still be new for the next 2 years, right?

Put ‘‘em the freezer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 19, 2022, 09:01:54 AM
I've had wheels in a shoe box for over two years+ and they seemed fine when I finally rode them. But I am curious about shelf life and other people's experiences of 'aged' urethane. If anything they should get a little harder right?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mean salto on August 19, 2022, 09:22:56 AM
Probably I'm too dumb to tell the difference but I've mostly ridden old wheels since about 2010 and never really noticed age making a difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on August 19, 2022, 03:06:52 PM
I have Spitfires from 1997 on my wife‘s bloard and they are still good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 20, 2022, 10:29:41 PM
Might get some new 97a bones x opinions around the web

(https://i.ibb.co/qgPDDTq/92155916-31-BB-490-B-895-F-83-C4-C312735-B.png) (https://ibb.co/qgPDDTq)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 21, 2022, 06:15:52 AM
Might get some new 97a bones x opinions around the web

(https://i.ibb.co/qgPDDTq/92155916-31-BB-490-B-895-F-83-C4-C312735-B.png) (https://ibb.co/qgPDDTq)

Saw on the bones Insta they are coming in V5 and V6
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 21, 2022, 07:41:23 AM
They’re not stopping for anything….

I think there’s a market for a harder version of a wheel that’s soft but skates like a harder wheel…..

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 21, 2022, 08:44:35 AM
Might get some new 97a bones x opinions around the web

(https://i.ibb.co/qgPDDTq/92155916-31-BB-490-B-895-F-83-C4-C312735-B.png) (https://ibb.co/qgPDDTq)

Saw that. I was thinking of going to the event but I think I'll go skateboarding instead.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 21, 2022, 09:27:41 AM
If someone in Portland throws some old wheels they don’t want on to exchange for the 97a I’ll buy the 97a off of you if the price is right
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 21, 2022, 12:08:44 PM
Also happy to buy someones 97s if they get them. Or trade for some brand new f4s, or whole bunch of the 93/95 prototype wheels or somethin.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 21, 2022, 02:25:18 PM
Also happy to buy someones 97s if they get them. Or trade for some brand new f4s, or whole bunch of the 93/95 prototype wheels or somethin.

I've got some cored 97a protypes. If anyone wants to trade, DM me. 54mm atf hub shape I believe.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 21, 2022, 03:00:15 PM
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Also happy to buy someones 97s if they get them. Or trade for some brand new f4s, or whole bunch of the 93/95 prototype wheels or somethin.
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I've got some cored 97a protypes. If anyone wants to trade, DM me. 54mm atf hub shape I believe.

Oh I got those exact ones too, also willing to let those go if anyone interested. I imagine those will be completely different to what the production ones are like, since these core 97a prototypes feel ridiculously hard, noticeably harder than a 99a f4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 21, 2022, 05:16:19 PM
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Looks like Nick Boserio is testing the OG combo shape in 56 mm with same width and contact patch as the 60mm hopefully OJ makes enough because these would be a fun set of wheels to skate

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the graphic clearly says 60mm.
Maybe they're 56mm wide?
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Nall messaged him they are gonna be 56 mm also if you zoom in they drew a 56 on the wheel they just reused the graphic
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Have some Orange 56 95a mini combos from a few years ago. Same shape as a 56mm slime ball. Good wheel, for sure. Curious about about the round instead of cross shaped innermost hole. That’s usually on the US made NHS wheels, whereas the squarish cross ones are China.
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I thought I saw somewhere that they still make limited runs of the OG 95a and 97a wheels with the same compound in the same molds and even the same dudes making them as they did way back in the day, but only for those special edition wheels now, with everything else including all the new normal 60mm Slimeballs and Elites being made in China.

They might be some of those ones.


Like this:


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/ojii-elite-combo-95a-white-skateboard-wheels-60mm-p16656


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/ojs-wheels-ojii-elite-combo-95a-white-skateboard-wheels-60mm-p16656-38815_image.jpg)



Was this what you had:


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/ojii-elite-mini-combo-95a-orange-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p38333


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/ojs-wheels-ojii-elite-mini-combo-95a-orange-skateboard-wheels-56mm-p38333-94886_image.jpg)

yeah i heard that oj's was made in Virginia until like 2015
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 22, 2022, 09:58:17 AM
I give up on the dragons. Loosened my axle nuts to have as much play as possible while still having all of the nyloc on the threads.  One powerslide and the wheels were binding up again.

I'm now tempted to try the Ricta 95a with a core.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 22, 2022, 10:04:57 AM
I give up on the dragons. Loosened my axle nuts to have as much play as possible while still having all of the nyloc on the threads.  One powerslide and the wheels were binding up again.

I'm now tempted to try the Ricta 95a with a core.

All speculation: wait for the 95a/97a bones variant.

Not being condescending, but soft wheels have cores for a reason: too much deformation in the bearing seat without them.

What gets me, is surely && or others had something similar happen (tho probably not allowed to talk about it)? Unless your set is defective somehow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on August 22, 2022, 10:17:15 AM

I'm now tempted to try the Ricta 95a with a core.
I've only rolled around a bit but they feel pretty promising. a bit more comfortable without feeling cruiser-y, they revert nice and they did powerslide but I didn't really push them.
I'll try to get on them more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 22, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
I took the bearings out of my Dragons last night and noticed how easy it was. Just to experiment I put them in with a bearing press, then on a truck and torqued them laterally with my hand. It wasn't super easy but I was able to get them to shift in the wheel and bind up with just hand pressure. Maybe all soft wheels do this or something and I just don't know it cuz I don't ride them, but I found it really surprising how easily the bearings shifted.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on August 22, 2022, 10:44:58 AM
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I give up on the dragons. Loosened my axle nuts to have as much play as possible while still having all of the nyloc on the threads.  One powerslide and the wheels were binding up again.

I'm now tempted to try the Ricta 95a with a core.
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All speculation: wait for the 95a/97a bones variant.

Not being condescending, but soft wheels have cores for a reason: too much deformation in the bearing seat without them.

What gets me, is surely && or others had something similar happen (tho probably not allowed to talk about it)? Unless your set is defective somehow.

Talking with a friend who has Dragons, I think I'm just neurotic and I find issues that others might not even care about
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 22, 2022, 12:40:42 PM
Generally bones cores are reasonably fit bearings where I’ve found that spits can actually be too small.  I can see though on a softer wheel though where there is a bit of flexion and it can be annoying. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on August 22, 2022, 02:15:13 PM
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I give up on the dragons. Loosened my axle nuts to have as much play as possible while still having all of the nyloc on the threads.  One powerslide and the wheels were binding up again.

I'm now tempted to try the Ricta 95a with a core.
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All speculation: wait for the 95a/97a bones variant.

Not being condescending, but soft wheels have cores for a reason: too much deformation in the bearing seat without them.

What gets me, is surely && or others had something similar happen (tho probably not allowed to talk about it)? Unless your set is defective somehow.
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Talking with a friend who has Dragons, I think I'm just neurotic and I find issues that others might not even care about

Yeah I've had my issues with dragons and all these other bones prototype wheels, but the bearing seat deformation is not one of them, all have felt fine core or no core
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 22, 2022, 02:46:59 PM
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I give up on the dragons. Loosened my axle nuts to have as much play as possible while still having all of the nyloc on the threads.  One powerslide and the wheels were binding up again.

I'm now tempted to try the Ricta 95a with a core.
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All speculation: wait for the 95a/97a bones variant.

Not being condescending, but soft wheels have cores for a reason: too much deformation in the bearing seat without them.

What gets me, is surely && or others had something similar happen (tho probably not allowed to talk about it)? Unless your set is defective somehow.
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 I think I'm just neurotic and I find issues that others might not even care about

We know you are, because we are too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on August 22, 2022, 03:03:01 PM
Starting to fiend for Dragons. The ground is hella rough out here in the Canadian prairies, and I live downtown and close to a variety of cutty street spots that I want to skate, so they seem ideal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on August 22, 2022, 03:42:34 PM
I took the bearings out of my Dragons last night and noticed how easy it was. Just to experiment I put them in with a bearing press, then on a truck and torqued them laterally with my hand. It wasn't super easy but I was able to get them to shift in the wheel and bind up with just hand pressure. Maybe all soft wheels do this or something and I just don't know it cuz I don't ride them, but I found it really surprising how easily the bearings shifted.

Soft wheels usually do this, which is why most of the good ones have solid plastic or aluminum cores. I expect if you removed you bearings often you might mess up the hole, but I’ve never messed around enough to find out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JRainey on August 24, 2022, 06:51:32 AM
Throwing in my 2c.

I'm a "skate-around" street skater in a small town in the alps. No skatepark, no waxed curbs, hardly any "spots", but the ones that exist are carefully guarded by shitty ground. Pretty much riding all asphalt, but there's a little brick, stone, and cobblestone.

Normally riding F4 CF 99a 56mm (down to 54-53). I tried a pair of the same wheel in 97a and liked the roll on rough ground, but thought they were slow on smooth asphalt and too grippy. The way the 99a's roll on smooth asphalt is delicious.

My normal session consists of skating around on streets and sidewalks (up, down, over, flat gaps) on the way to a smooth flatground spot, then cruise home in the same style. I'll blast through some grinds here and there, but no nose/tail/blunt slides. I'm not scared of super crusty ground on 99a, but i'm usually limited to reserved, mellow ollie/nollie as the rough ground fucks you balance on pop.

Dragon 56mm V6:

Shape:
Shape is nice, wide as CF but narrower contact patch. No adjustments on weight or anything. 

Roll:
These are not a cruiser wheel. They ride well over the really rough stuff, but you know you're still on rough stuff. But smoother and easier to pop without thinking about the ground snatching your board as you go weightless. A 78a wide cruiser wheel would feel much nicer than these (but fuck that). These are still slow on this stuff. They aren't gonna open up a cobblestone spot for you. Maybe landing, but no way on roll up.

On kinda smooth ashpalt they are probably the most noticeable. You can still feel some vibes, but faster and can pop without a thought.

Really smooth asphalt, this is the most important to me because I love that 25% of my sesh on this stuff, they are just as fast as the 99a F4. This is where I bailed on the 97a F4. These probably benefit from the narrower contact patch on really smooth. On the glassiest asphalt (worked by car wheels for years) these were maybe 5% slower. Not a deal breaker.

Tricks:
No change. I can skirk out bs 180s if I choose to, with maybe a titch more grab on touch down. That's all I really need. Was able to do kickflips in rougher spots I'd never done before because those are more fore/aft sensitive for me and balance would get thrown off on 99a. I'm not a huge power slider, but these were a whole new thing, will be fun to play around. Felt like a slick skatepark on asphalt.

Where they really made a difference was making rougher features more skateable. Banks, bumps, curb cut, volcanoed manhole covers all exist in rough or cracked form. So my day was much more playful, and could hit these things without worry. Even got a personal NBD allie-oop bs 180 off a curb cut.

We have a new mini ramp which is like weather-treated masonite, it wasn't slippery.

Noise:
They are a little less loud rolling, which I like because when it's really rough it's normally deafening. They barked just fine on asphalt and I never heard that weird whishing sound I've been hearing in people's videos. And if I come down hard on all four wheels, it's still loud as fuck. Glad I can still annoy the neighbors.

Bad:
They are bouncy when you drop the board down, so you gotta chase it. Or if you don't put your feet on a flip trick, the rebound caused a few snake bites.  I didn't notice any issue with pop timing or quality.

So for someone who doesn't like to ride a bike or walk to any spots and enjoys staying on the board 100% of the time these wheels are great. In the same vein as the F4 97a, but just a little better rolling and more forgiveness on breaking traction.

Until we get a skatepark, I'm just rocking these and probably won't even try the bones x because these are fast enough on my preferred smooth spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MxsDx on August 27, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
Does anyone know where Acid Chemical Co wheels are poured? Are they made at Creative or elsewhere? Also, anyone know the difference between their Type A and REM formulas?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on August 27, 2022, 04:09:09 PM
Does anyone know where Acid Chemical Co wheels are poured? Are they made at Creative or elsewhere? Also, anyone know the difference between their Type A and REM formulas?

Acid pours their own wheels in San Diego(?), IIRC. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2022, 06:27:28 PM
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Acid pours their own wheels in San Diego(?), IIRC. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Correct.

Been skating 101a Ricta of late; hard, slidey and barky. Switch it up to 101a classics....and felt slow and dead board/soggy feeling.

Slid just fine but was kinda surprised how soft the board felt (with TI indys, dry af swiss 6 w/lots of play, and a crispy new R7 deck).

Glad I didn't pick up the 93a Dragoogoobers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2022, 07:54:16 PM
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any word on the bones experimental wheel release?
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latest news was this i believe?

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Bones X Formula 95 and 97 now pushed until October.  V5 shape in the drop.

Source: Kam at SkateOne
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from insta: 97a Launching Nov 1st
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Buster_Poosey on August 28, 2022, 08:19:58 PM
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Acid pours their own wheels in San Diego(?), IIRC. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

These wheels are poured in Oceanside Ca. The wheels are really good. I couldn’t tell you the difference between the REM formula and the type A, but I’ve skated both over the years and they are legit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 28, 2022, 08:33:46 PM
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latest news was this i believe?

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Source: Kam at SkateOne
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from insta: 97a Launching Nov 1st

95a coming out before that or at the same time?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
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latest news was this i believe?

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Source: Kam at SkateOne
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from insta: 97a Launching Nov 1st
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95a coming out before that or at the same time?

Everything I’ve seen has been all about the 97s, haven’t seen anything about the 95s…could have missed something tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 28, 2022, 11:07:22 PM
In a strange twist of events…they are also releasing a 101 that skates like a 78a cruiser wheel….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 29, 2022, 12:13:37 AM
Took the 56mm Dragons out again, this time to the park in Hood River where the transition stuff is smooth concrete and the flat parts are toothy blacktop with that stupid sealant on top that makes decent asphalt feel hard and rough. I took NFG 95s here last time and those were still shitty and unbearably slow on the blacktop. The Dragons ate it up, though. Felt grippy on the concrete but easily scooted into a barky slide, and they handled the rough stuff with speed and a satisfying ride. Still hit or miss on angle iron and metal coping, but it’s nothing you can’t adjust to.

I stand by my initial review; these do what Keyframes do but much better, and they slide pretty well, too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lazyskater on August 29, 2022, 06:15:58 AM
Does anyone know where Acid Chemical Co wheels are poured? Are they made at Creative or elsewhere? Also, anyone know the difference between their Type A and REM formulas?

I believe the rem is just a mix of their 99 and 101
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 29, 2022, 07:32:39 AM
In a strange twist of events…they are also releasing a 101 that skates like a 78a cruiser wheel….

My brain read this in the voice of David Letterman and Jay Leno at the same time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on August 29, 2022, 10:29:29 AM
Took the 56mm Dragons out again, this time to the park in Hood River where the transition stuff is smooth concrete and the flat parts are toothy blacktop with that stupid sealant on top that makes decent asphalt feel hard and rough. I took NFG 95s here last time and those were still shitty and unbearably slow on the blacktop. The Dragons ate it up, though. Felt grippy on the concrete but easily scooted into a barky slide, and they handled the rough stuff with speed and a satisfying ride. Still hit or miss on angle iron and metal coping, but it’s nothing you can’t adjust to.

I stand by my initial review; these do what Keyframes do but much better, and they slide pretty well, too.
Damn was just going to ask how did they compare to Keyframes. Keyframes have been my go to filming/cruiser wheels for the past like 6 years.  Love how they ride but would love for them to slide, especially when skating around hills and shit and not being able to powerslide. Seems like this post has just made me want to get these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MxsDx on August 29, 2022, 11:54:21 AM
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I believe the rem is just a mix of their 99 and 101

Thanks for all the responses.  I picked up 53 mm REM (101 duro) and have only had one park session on them, but first impressions were solid. Coming off f4 99 (my gold standard) these felt fast and had a nice bark. Not sure if it will be enough to pull me away from spits long term, but so far so good. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Radim on August 30, 2022, 03:32:28 AM
any hints which wheels work adequate in plywood indoor skatepark?
currently skating there on my cruiser board with 86a Rictas, but I miss a bit of slide to be honest.
FF 99a or STF 99a from my street setup are crazy slippery.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on August 30, 2022, 04:21:28 AM
any hints which wheels work adequate in plywood indoor skatepark?
currently skating there on my cruiser board with 86a Rictas, but I miss a bit of slide to be honest.
FF 99a or STF 99a from my street setup are crazy slippery.

97a formula fours
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on August 30, 2022, 04:38:02 AM
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any hints which wheels work adequate in plywood indoor skatepark?
currently skating there on my cruiser board with 86a Rictas, but I miss a bit of slide to be honest.
FF 99a or STF 99a from my street setup are crazy slippery.
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97a formula fours

I concur
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on August 30, 2022, 07:27:04 AM
tried my friend 90a Rat Bones wheels and i can do noseslide, powerslide on them fine on really fucking shit ground
Curious to see what the difference would be between these and the Dragons, i actually really like the way these skated but did feel a bit heavy for flip tricks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 30, 2022, 12:47:54 PM
I had no clue Acid was from SD. I asked 2 SD shops about them and no one in the shop had ever ridden them.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 30, 2022, 05:03:16 PM
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any hints which wheels work adequate in plywood indoor skatepark?
currently skating there on my cruiser board with 86a Rictas, but I miss a bit of slide to be honest.
FF 99a or STF 99a from my street setup are crazy slippery.
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97a formula fours
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I concur


It really depends on the exact surface material of the indoor parks, but more than that, how well it is cleaned, cause some indoor parks will have a fairly normal surface, but when covered in dust and whatever else, those things become like an ice rink.

The 97s I have were still pretty damn slippery on the indoor parks / ramps here, with me having to go down to 95 to get a little more grip (such as Mini logo wheels) but even the 90 duro Powell / Mini logo wheels were way better than I thought on those surfaces - I could still grip but they were super fast, unlike other softer wheels I had tried on the same ramps - and they could slide well enough to make the slippery wood surface feel more like normal raw concrete on 99 duro wheels, if that makes sense.

The 97s definitely were better than the 99s on other panted skateparks and wooden ramps and I know others swear by them as being the best option for those surfaces.



tried my friend 90a Rat Bones wheels and i can do noseslide, powerslide on them fine on really fucking shit ground
Curious to see what the difference would be between these and the Dragons, i actually really like the way these skated but did feel a bit heavy for flip tricks

What size did you try?

I have some 90 duro wheels in a few sizes, more for ramp and transition skating, so bigger than average, but I know they make them in smaller sizes too.

Powell and Mini logo felt like the exact same wheel in the same duro, which makes sense - same overall company, just where they were made was the only difference, as well as the price.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Buster_Poosey on August 30, 2022, 09:42:41 PM
I had no clue Acid was from SD. I asked 2 SD shops about them and no one in the shop had ever ridden them.

I think you’d be pleasantly surprised how good these wheels are. They are also way cheaper than the other big name wheel companies. Spitfires are damn near $50!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 31, 2022, 01:12:16 AM
Had my first issue with the Dragon 93as. I was at the end of my skate session walking home and I just happened to look down and I see a nut and washer on the ground and I go... "I wonder what that fell off of". I look at my deck and of course it fell off of the board I was holding lol.

I take a closer look, and the bearing on the inside edge of my front wheel had popped out of the wheel, and somehow that made the nut come off my truck? I hope my bearings aren't fucked because of this.

Its weird because that didn't happen a single time with the pre-production ones (nor these before this time) and I've been skating these for a solid 3+ months straight at this point I think? I guess I just have to remember to check and make sure the bearings are secure every once in a while.

Besides that, I've still been loving these things. Still my favorite wheel I've ever skated hands down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: eviltgirl on August 31, 2022, 08:21:04 AM
I take a closer look, and the bearing on the inside edge of my front wheel had popped out of the wheel, and somehow that made the nut come off my truck? I hope my bearings aren't fucked because of this.

Do you have a pic? I'm having a hard time imagining what this looked like
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on August 31, 2022, 08:56:49 AM
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any hints which wheels work adequate in plywood indoor skatepark?
currently skating there on my cruiser board with 86a Rictas, but I miss a bit of slide to be honest.
FF 99a or STF 99a from my street setup are crazy slippery.
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97a formula fours
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I concur
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It really depends on the exact surface material of the indoor parks, but more than that, how well it is cleaned, cause some indoor parks will have a fairly normal surface, but when covered in dust and whatever else, those things become like an ice rink.

The 97s I have were still pretty damn slippery on the indoor parks / ramps here, with me having to go down to 95 to get a little more grip (such as Mini logo wheels) but even the 90 duro Powell / Mini logo wheels were way better than I thought on those surfaces - I could still grip but they were super fast, unlike other softer wheels I had tried on the same ramps - and they could slide well enough to make the slippery wood surface feel more like normal raw concrete on 99 duro wheels, if that makes sense.

The 97s definitely were better than the 99s on other panted skateparks and wooden ramps and I know others swear by them as being the best option for those surfaces.



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tried my friend 90a Rat Bones wheels and i can do noseslide, powerslide on them fine on really fucking shit ground
Curious to see what the difference would be between these and the Dragons, i actually really like the way these skated but did feel a bit heavy for flip tricks
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What size did you try?

I have some 90 duro wheels in a few sizes, more for ramp and transition skating, so bigger than average, but I know they make them in smaller sizes too.

Powell and Mini logo felt like the exact same wheel in the same duro, which makes sense - same overall company, just where they were made was the only difference, as well as the price.

they were probably like a 58 or 60mm


i personally like 95a on smooth transitions i find its perfect balance of slide + grip
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Radim on September 01, 2022, 01:32:28 AM

It really depends on the exact surface material of the indoor parks, but more than that, how well it is cleaned, cause some indoor parks will have a fairly normal surface, but when covered in dust and whatever else, those things become like an ice rink.

The 97s I have were still pretty damn slippery on the indoor parks / ramps here, with me having to go down to 95 to get a little more grip (such as Mini logo wheels) but even the 90 duro Powell / Mini logo wheels were way better than I thought on those surfaces - I could still grip but they were super fast, unlike other softer wheels I had tried on the same ramps - and they could slide well enough to make the slippery wood surface feel more like normal raw concrete on 99 duro wheels, if that makes sense.

The 97s definitely were better than the 99s on other panted skateparks and wooden ramps and I know others swear by them as being the best option for those surfaces.
well our park is a bit dusty and at the same time some of the wooden parts "shine" being so much polished and worn out from the skating.
I am wondering that something in range of 90-92a should be a best match.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on September 01, 2022, 01:45:33 AM
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I take a closer look, and the bearing on the inside edge of my front wheel had popped out of the wheel, and somehow that made the nut come off my truck? I hope my bearings aren't fucked because of this.
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Do you have a pic? I'm having a hard time imagining what this looked like

Basically the one bearing just came out of the wheel, but was still on the axel of the truck. Rather than it being within the wheel's bearing seat, it was next to the wheel. Then after that, somehow the pressure of the wheel/bearing rotating against the nut had enough friction/force to loosen the nut.

The bearing on the opposite side of the nut was the one that slipped out of the wheel. I could see this scenario potentially fucking up either of the bearings involved though. I'm not sure what could have caused the bearing to slip out even, I was doing some really low impact skating. It was great weather too, not hot enough to affect the wheel's urethane in any way.

Either way, its only happened once, I'll just have to pay more attention to making everything is secure I guess. If that's the only issue these things have, its more than worth dealing with.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on September 01, 2022, 08:17:37 AM
Took Dragons, SPF, STF 103 and F4 101 and did an uncientific speed test at a very smooth skatepark, and a rolling distance test on nice asphalt.

Speed test: Roll in from one spot with no push.  No pumps and see how long it takes to get to a particular spot on the other end.  Multiple runs per wheel. Times were between 17 and 18.5 seconds.  SPF were the fastest by about a second, averaging around 17.25.   The other three all rolled very close with the averages all being around 18.1-18.2, which given the methodology I would say are all close enough.

Distance Test:  Roll in from a spot in the concrete skatepark that feeds to the entrance, which has a long and very slightly uphill asphalt path. Asphalt is in good shape and only about 4 years old.  Distance rolled on the asphalt was between around 80 and 110 feet.  Dragons were the absolute clear winner here at around 110, with the F4 being second at 88ish.  SPF suprisingly rolled about 84 and the STF were last at 80ish. 

This is very unscientific.  I didn't have the same bearings in each and I could have run a lot more samples.  I did it because I was curious how much slower the Dragons were at my usual skatepark than the SPFs, and then I also ran the F4/STF just because I had them with me as well. I expected the STF and F4 to be about midway in speed between the SPF and Dragons.  I was super surprised that the Dragons were giving me times almost identical to the 103 and 101 wheels at this park because the silence of them and lack of chatter makes me feel like I'm going slower. The feedback I have had for years just isn't there.

I bought the Dragons over a month ago and have only skated them a few times because they are very different feeling and I thought I was going slower than I actually am at the park I skate most often.  I will probably skate them more now and try to get used to them because they absolutely are faster outside the park and it would be nice to stop driving around with 3-4 boards in my car.

The wheel/bearing combos used:
56mm SPF P5 with Bones Swiss 6 that are a few years old, but cleaned recently. Wheels are at 55mm now.
55mm STF 103 V5 with Daddies ceramics that are 2 years old.  Still sound clean, but performance today was lacking
54mm F4 101 Conicals with Quantum Atom ceramics that were recently cleaned
54mm Dragons V1 with Big Balls Reds.  Newest, but cheapest bearings of the bunch.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 01, 2022, 10:36:57 AM
I did the same test on cement and asphalt, same bearings in each wheel, with spinning by hand timed as well to make sure the bearing press didn't introduce a confounder.

Dragons faster on asphalt by about 10 feet, F499 faster on a skatepark by almost 20. F4 were worn to 52.2 and Dragons were brand new at 54.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: aiden on September 02, 2022, 11:52:04 AM
always wanted conical wheels, so a while back i picked up some 55mm acid pods. i only got them because they were the only conicals in the shop, but they actually turned out really solid. don't know if they're actively making them anymore which sucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 04, 2022, 07:09:53 PM
Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

Also anybody have any experience with 78a Slime Balls, or Acid Jelly Shots compared to OJ Super juices?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on September 04, 2022, 10:43:56 PM
Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

I have. They’re narrower, lighter, and more practical if you want to do more than just cruise. If you pair them up with decent bearings they should be fast enough
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 05, 2022, 02:35:48 AM
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Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

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I have. They’re narrower, lighter, and more practical if you want to do more than just cruise. If you pair them up with decent bearings they should be fast enough

Thanks thats good to hear. Do you notice the 60mm being significantly better in terms of rolling for longer, being faster etc?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on September 05, 2022, 10:00:30 AM
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Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

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I have. They’re narrower, lighter, and more practical if you want to do more than just cruise. If you pair them up with decent bearings they should be fast enough
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Thanks thats good to hear. Do you notice the 60mm being significantly better in terms of rolling for longer, being faster etc?
i had the 60’s set up on my filming board with bones Swiss ceramics. That combo is always going to feel pretty fast and roll far. It was real easy to not have to push. The 55’s I had with bones reds. It was a fast enough combo, but not nearly the same. If speed is your only concern then go with the 60’s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 08, 2022, 11:46:39 AM
OJs dual duro has entered the chat. (https://i.ibb.co/4NzVzGW/0-EA171-ED-640-F-41-CD-B74-C-00-DE443-A77-B6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4NzVzGW)(https://i.ibb.co/PGmvmPK/B847487-A-4119-4231-8-CC8-D1-F96-E7-B5-CAB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PGmvmPK)

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 08, 2022, 11:55:23 AM
OJs dual duro has entered the chat. (https://i.ibb.co/4NzVzGW/0-EA171-ED-640-F-41-CD-B74-C-00-DE443-A77-B6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4NzVzGW)(https://i.ibb.co/PGmvmPK/B847487-A-4119-4231-8-CC8-D1-F96-E7-B5-CAB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PGmvmPK)

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro

These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on September 08, 2022, 12:10:50 PM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 08, 2022, 12:46:29 PM
I remember Jaws testing some shock absorbing wheel for bones….I suspect it was similar….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on September 08, 2022, 01:42:14 PM
I can't slide the OJ 101 elites to save my life and I stick on everything.  They feel great rolling but I wish they could fix the slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on September 08, 2022, 02:41:33 PM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro

Honestly seems like yet another gimmick from a third-rate wheel maker.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 08, 2022, 02:56:56 PM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
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I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push

oh, I see. Nevermind then, I'm not interested in these anymore lol.

Yeah I've only ridden the standard OJ wheels, not the Elite or Insaneathane ones. I suppose I'll give those a try at some point
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 08, 2022, 06:41:56 PM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
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I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push


They have been rather disappointing overall, but I know some people really love their OJs - the good ones that is, not the cheap / pricepoint wheels.  Especially the older 60 / 61mm 95 / 97 duro versions, which are amazing wheels.

Funny thing is with the dual duro, it seemed like it worked way better the other way round, eg the core was harder so it kept the bearings aligned correctly, then the outer part you actually ride was softer, as per some old Spitfires I have and other wheels over the years, which work really well - inner being 101 or so and outer being 92, 95, 96 or 97 on various wheels.

Having a softer core means the bearings move in the wheels, which caused more issues than anything else with the softer wheel market.

That is just me with my own experiences though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2022, 06:48:10 PM
I can't slide the OJ 101 elites to save my life and I stick on everything.  They feel great rolling but I wish they could fix the slide

Yup. You have to be going Mach 10 to get them sliding in the streets (Milton slides OJs like a boss). In a park setting, I'd choose them over SPFs any day for that grip...SPFs can be glassy,
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 08, 2022, 09:21:56 PM
OJs dual duro has entered the chat. (https://i.ibb.co/4NzVzGW/0-EA171-ED-640-F-41-CD-B74-C-00-DE443-A77-B6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4NzVzGW)(https://i.ibb.co/PGmvmPK/B847487-A-4119-4231-8-CC8-D1-F96-E7-B5-CAB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PGmvmPK)

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro

I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on September 08, 2022, 10:30:42 PM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
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I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push
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They have been rather disappointing overall, but I know some people really love their OJs - the good ones that is, not the cheap / pricepoint wheels.  Especially the older 60 / 61mm 95 / 97 duro versions, which are amazing wheels.

Funny thing is with the dual duro, it seemed like it worked way better the other way round, eg the core was harder so it kept the bearings aligned correctly, then the outer part you actually ride was softer, as per some old Spitfires I have and other wheels over the years, which work really well - inner being 101 or so and outer being 92, 95, 96 or 97 on various wheels.

Having a softer core means the bearings move in the wheels, which caused more issues than anything else with the softer wheel market.

That is just me with my own experiences though.

They need a triple duro
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 09, 2022, 12:04:03 AM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.

Better shot of the core/shape.

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on September 09, 2022, 12:06:57 AM
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I can't slide the OJ 101 elites to save my life and I stick on everything.  They feel great rolling but I wish they could fix the slide
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Yup. You have to be going Mach 10 to get them sliding in the streets (Milton slides OJs like a boss). In a park setting, I'd choose them over SPFs any day for that grip...SPFs can be glassy,
i always found OJs to be pretty shit to slide outside of anywhere but a smooth park. in that setting they’re a pretty decent wheel, at least for transition. I can’t speak for flatbar/tech stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 09, 2022, 05:34:46 AM
I always want to try OJs but it definitely seems like the people that like them skate parks most the time or smooth streets. Seems like a very socal perfect streets type wheel so it don’t apply to me in the Midwest.

Also I’m curious how wearing these down will be. They turn into 95s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dwyck on September 09, 2022, 06:29:04 AM
I've been skating 56mm 99 and 60mm 95 Vee shape NFGs on a Polar P9 on ace 44s and a Dane 1 on Indy 149s and risers the last week or so. Have yet to take them to a park but they're very interesting on asphalt and sidewalks. Especially after only skating 99 F4 conical fulls basically since they came out.

These are big ol' wheels, and the contact patch is the entire width of the wheel.

They bark on a slide, and the 99s break into a slide way easier, but there's less control. I've yet to take a slam on a powerslide but I know it's coming. The one session I had at an actual spot I felt confident about back noseslides, which I was worried about. I mostly ended up filming that day though

I took the 95s to a meeting yesterday and skated probably 20 blocks combined on the way home. They're not super absorbent of rough ground but I'm rolling over everything. They bark nice on sidewalks and slide pretty normal on the street. I could roll pretty fast and feel some grip while knowing a speed check could be doable. My first thought was definitely that they skate like those 53mm 99 F4s I love so much but with more momentum. Stopped at a wet curb and did back nose and then nollie back tail with no push in between, which was interesting. They slide really nice on that curb. I'm thinking they'd do well on a day where I want to film fisheye but maybe get a clip or two

Now I'm thinking about the teardrop shapes. Wheel madness beginning. I don't care too much about an "optimal" setup as long as I can keep rolling and kickflip
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on September 09, 2022, 07:15:56 AM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.

wait so... rictas?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 09, 2022, 04:36:32 PM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?

Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backside_frontside on September 09, 2022, 04:52:01 PM
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Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?
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Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.

What’s the advantage of a dual durometer wheel? More rebound? Not sure that would be helpful tho. You’d have to skate thru the top layer of you wanna get to the softer nougaty center
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Post by: Richard Skidder on September 09, 2022, 05:21:41 PM
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat. (https://i.ibb.co/4NzVzGW/0-EA171-ED-640-F-41-CD-B74-C-00-DE443-A77-B6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4NzVzGW)(https://i.ibb.co/PGmvmPK/B847487-A-4119-4231-8-CC8-D1-F96-E7-B5-CAB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PGmvmPK)

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?
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Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.
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What’s the advantage of a dual durometer wheel? More rebound? Not sure that would be helpful tho. You’d have to skate thru the top layer of you wanna get to the softer nougaty center

The concept is a sort of a “shock absorber” that keeps its speed and slide. The outer shell keeps it’s shape to preform like a standard wheel but the innards soak up all the chatter. Terrible for bearings I would assume.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthulhu! on September 09, 2022, 05:24:31 PM
Mr. Slap, how many licks does it take to get to the softer durometer roll center of a wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on September 09, 2022, 05:39:41 PM
Interesting that OJs newest product is essential what ricta has been doing. Ricta speed rings are an underrated wheel. I wonder how much research they did to make it different.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on September 09, 2022, 06:55:05 PM
Aren't Speedrings the complete opposite though? My understanding is they have a hard core and a softer riding surface. I am pretty Ricta ignorant but Cairo got me thinking about them for a day or two.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 09, 2022, 08:36:22 PM
Speedrings and Ricta cored wheels aren't dual duro like these OJs, or the old ABs, or even the powerflex wheels (tho those are closest to the ricta chrome cores).

The ricta cores just have a hard bearing seat. whereas the speed rings are different in that they have an inner urethane ring that surrounds the bearing core, and then the ring, then the outer urethane (part you skate) so: bearing seat, urethane, ring, urethane.

From ricta, complete with typo:

"Ricta Speedrings’ unique core design puts urethane around the bearing bore like a non-cored wheel. You get the feel of a traditional wheel with the speed and reduced rolling resistance of a cored wheel. Less Rattle, More Roll"

I've skated speed rings a number of times and never felt an advantage in skating. Plus they only come in 95/99 now and the 99s were very grippy but felt harder.

The older chrome cores, before they switch to the NRG' branding  were hard af and would rattle your teeth out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 10, 2022, 06:49:52 AM
Everything Xen said for sure. I feel like the OJs are like the lazy version of this “technology “.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on September 10, 2022, 08:52:14 AM
Powerflex has been doing the soft core/ hard surface for a while
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sk8n hugon on September 10, 2022, 07:30:18 PM
Anybody have experience with the dragon wheels on indoor mini ramps? Specifically moderately slippery birch. I have bad form and push stuff way to hard and end up slipping out a lot on 99a wheels. I’m wondering how the dragons compare to spitfire 97s which are pretty good for the indoor stuff.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: YungJugg on September 11, 2022, 11:54:08 AM
are the dragons fully symmetrical? not big on how keyframes have a sharper and rounder side, like a Spit’s lock-in shape.
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Post by: FuzzGNU on September 11, 2022, 12:09:51 PM
are the dragons fully symmetrical? not big on how keyframes have a sharper and rounder side, like a Spit’s lock-in shape.

Yeah all three shapes. V1 is Classic. V4 is Radial. V6 is Conical Full.

Careful you pay attention to which shape you're buying, because they don't make it very clear.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on September 12, 2022, 05:27:48 AM
Anybody have experience with the dragon wheels on indoor mini ramps? Specifically moderately slippery birch. I have bad form and push stuff way to hard and end up slipping out a lot on 99a wheels. I’m wondering how the dragons compare to spitfire 97s which are pretty good for the indoor stuff.

First post, what's up slappers.

Skated my first session on the 54mm V4 dragons on a dusty wooden indoor mini last Friday. They feel significantly gripper than 99a wheels, but still slide just fine. I was noticeably slower on the dragons, though, so I'll use ceramic bearings to hopefully make up for that little bit of drag in future sessions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 13, 2022, 12:59:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ojk6TO6e8U
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on September 15, 2022, 08:35:51 AM
what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 15, 2022, 02:42:43 PM
Pig don’t get any love because no one skates them to give any feedback…they’re probably amazing we just don’t know it.
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Post by: backinaction on September 15, 2022, 02:50:25 PM
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Anyone fuck with those Pig Prime Naturals? And where are they made?
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Pigs are just Bones Wheels rejects. Not all wheels turn out perfectly so Pig buys Bones rejects then they trim a bit of the urethane off to make them consistent. Then a pig swallows them in even sets of 4. 53mm one day, 58mm another day not to stretch out the pigs rectum. After that they are rinsed and sold at a loss. Pig Wheels operates at a deficit of 30k a year to supply the buyer with the best possible wheels. The spirit of the Pig lies within the wheel forever and gives you that pop and slide that is so desired by the skate industry right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 15, 2022, 05:02:56 PM
what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.


I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on September 15, 2022, 05:04:12 PM
My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sacking rails on September 16, 2022, 04:48:41 AM
My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(
oj wasnt innocent
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on September 16, 2022, 07:56:56 AM
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My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(
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oj wasnt innocent

the juice is loose
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 19, 2022, 10:36:05 PM
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 20, 2022, 07:12:12 AM
50 shades of dragons
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: kneebone on September 20, 2022, 07:21:38 AM
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.
I've been on a set of Pig ProLine 51mm for a couple months now. The ride and slide is pretty identical to spitfire classic formula. They are definitely not Bones rejects as someone mentioned above.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 20, 2022, 07:37:05 AM
@tzhangdox  stoked to hear your thoughts after you’ve ridden them some. The 93a dragons was never for me but the 97a bones definitely seem to be more in my wheel house. Just looking for an all around wheel and I love the v5 shape. Bones never slide as good as spits for me. So I’m hoping this somehow works
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on September 20, 2022, 09:56:22 AM
Were those the same samples from Kam? The only 97a I was able to get are comically fat and I can't skate them.

The 95a are sticking pretty hard on bluntslides, I think the switch up was fun but I'm headed back to F4.`
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 20, 2022, 10:27:32 AM
Were those the same samples from Kam? The only 97a I was able to get are comically fat and I can't skate them.

The 95a are sticking pretty hard on bluntslides, I think the switch up was fun but I'm headed back to F4.`

Nah I believe these should be the ones that are coming out in production, got them from my local shop yesterday. My samples from Kam had cores and were toothpaste white and hard af, also comically fat felt like dumbbells on my trucks.

Even the dragons didn't stick on bluntslides on certain waxed concrete ledges, but definitely stuck on blunt on skatelite, wood and other stuff. These are tbd but I imagine they'll probably be okay.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on September 20, 2022, 11:08:19 AM
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so they’re presumably going to be available shortly.
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Post by: FuzzGNU on September 20, 2022, 01:53:25 PM
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so they’re presumably going to be available shortly.

Hmm... Wonder when the 95a are coming.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 20, 2022, 02:24:41 PM
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so they’re presumably going to be available shortly.

Last official word from them was November for the bones x 97s; hopefully sooner.

Been on the 93s for a minute now. They work just fine in every scenario I've put them in so far...after the first few minutes I didn't even notice a difference other than them being quiet, super fucking smooth and bouncy on the drop; I matched them with race reds (so they're locked down) a slick deck and tensor maglights, no lie that setup opened up a few spots and makes a world of difference 'just cruising' or skating from spot to spot.

I'll also vouch for the increase in session time at rough spots, much less fatigue.

Slightly gummy on crooks (squeaky on slappy crooks), smiths and feebles...but I just go faster...scary for blunts (unless super waxed), can't trust them. Miss the speed check chirp.

If they can get close to a spit/stf 99a feel with most of the 93 functionality I'm betting (as predicted) the 97s are going to be my sweet spot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 20, 2022, 08:28:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UcTUe6R.jpg)

Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.

Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dwyck on September 22, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
Ive broken in both my 56mm 99a Vee shape NFG and my 60mm 95a. After years of F4 99a and Keyframes I love how hard the softer wheels are, but the 99a are slippery sometimes. Not as versatile as F4s. Great on hard asphalt and smooth pavement/cobblestone, scary at the indoor. My powerslides keep going just a little bit on these - something about the way F4s break into slides make me feel way safer but I gotta have perfect form. Not with the NFGs.

Neither wheel is bouncy - the 95s don't really eat up crust so much as roll right through it. So I don't know how much chiller they'd be at a smaller size. But I've got two other boards in the quiver and a new indoor I dig so I might try a 95a in a rounder shape
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Landmine on September 22, 2022, 01:14:28 PM
What happened with those 95a Spitfire F4s that were rumored or speculated or leaked a while back?
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Post by: tzhangdox on September 22, 2022, 01:54:28 PM
What happened with those 95a Spitfire F4s that were rumored or speculated or leaked a while back?

They're in the works
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 22, 2022, 04:28:49 PM
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.
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I've been on a set of Pig ProLine 51mm for a couple months now. The ride and slide is pretty identical to spitfire classic formula. They are definitely not Bones rejects as someone mentioned above.


I had meant to say thanks for the info, but only remembered when I was going back over the thread.

Always good to know.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 22, 2022, 05:04:43 PM
I’m entertaining the idea of getting those 101a/95a OJs. I never skate ojs. There’s no way they will be better than the regular conical spits I have. But shit it’s tempting me
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Post by: PisstickleTypeExperience on September 22, 2022, 06:18:17 PM
I’m entertaining the idea of getting those 101a/95a OJs. I never skate ojs. There’s no way they will be better than the regular conical spits I have. But shit it’s tempting me

The 95a Nomads are pretty tight. But if I could trade em in I'd probably drink the Dragon kool-aid.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on September 25, 2022, 02:43:34 AM
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.

Damn need these asap!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 25, 2022, 11:17:51 AM
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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Damn need these asap!!

The drag got maybe a teeny bit better but not by much, I sanded down sheen on the sidewalls with some grip so they're fully matte I think thats what helped a tad. All in all they definitely still feel like a soft-ish wheel to me.

All my friends on formula fours thought I was still on the "quiet ass dragon wheels" and thought they were bouncy and gummy. Definitely still more similar to a dragon than a 99 f4. The grind will still feel "gummy" even if they go just as good on the right obstacle. Whether thats worth the smoother ride or not its up to you, sometimes it is to me, sometimes it isnt.

The one thing thats bothering me is that they're still really pitching me super hard on wheelbite. To be fair, I did just set up some indys with new bushings and they're 144s which bite easier than 8.5 trucks which I'm used to skating. I've gotten my shit rocked a few times landing hard in wheelbite and getting sent, the wheels definitely made it worse. Have some 149s on the way and hopefully that plus broken in bushings make it a bit better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on September 25, 2022, 05:56:46 PM
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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Damn need these asap!!
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The drag got maybe a teeny bit better but not by much, I sanded down sheen on the sidewalls with some grip so they're fully matte I think thats what helped a tad. All in all they definitely still feel like a soft-ish wheel to me.

All my friends on formula fours thought I was still on the "quiet ass dragon wheels" and thought they were bouncy and gummy. Definitely still more similar to a dragon than a 99 f4. The grind will still feel "gummy" even if they go just as good on the right obstacle. Whether thats worth the smoother ride or not its up to you, sometimes it is to me, sometimes it isnt.

The one thing thats bothering me is that they're still really pitching me super hard on wheelbite. To be fair, I did just set up some indys with new bushings and they're 144s which bite easier than 8.5 trucks which I'm used to skating. I've gotten my shit rocked a few times landing hard in wheelbite and getting sent, the wheels definitely made it worse. Have some 149s on the way and hopefully that plus broken in bushings make it a bit better.

Thanks for the update

I’m still down for these cause as of recent months I prefer the feeling of bones formula over the spits only cause when I got a distance to cruise not trying to be serious the bones just absorbed more vibration and felt grippier but still felt I could break out a slide no issues

I love formula fours don’t get me wrong, the 99a are okay standard premium street wheel but to me the 101a are better cause they feel more aggressive for street and faster

I’m on the dragons right now and I love them! So fast, so soft, but still feels like a street wheel mostly(not as sticky as a cruiser wheel in my opinion) and if these bones experimental are a bit harder im down bad for them, I’ll pay the ridiculous price I paid for the dragons maybe more

When are these bones expected to release?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 25, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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Damn need these asap!!
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The drag got maybe a teeny bit better but not by much, I sanded down sheen on the sidewalls with some grip so they're fully matte I think thats what helped a tad. All in all they definitely still feel like a soft-ish wheel to me.

All my friends on formula fours thought I was still on the "quiet ass dragon wheels" and thought they were bouncy and gummy. Definitely still more similar to a dragon than a 99 f4. The grind will still feel "gummy" even if they go just as good on the right obstacle. Whether thats worth the smoother ride or not its up to you, sometimes it is to me, sometimes it isnt.

The one thing thats bothering me is that they're still really pitching me super hard on wheelbite. To be fair, I did just set up some indys with new bushings and they're 144s which bite easier than 8.5 trucks which I'm used to skating. I've gotten my shit rocked a few times landing hard in wheelbite and getting sent, the wheels definitely made it worse. Have some 149s on the way and hopefully that plus broken in bushings make it a bit better.
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Thanks for the update

I’m still down for these cause as of recent months I prefer the feeling of bones formula over the spits only cause when I got a distance to cruise not trying to be serious the bones just absorbed more vibration and felt grippier but still felt I could break out a slide no issues

I love formula fours don’t get me wrong, the 99a are okay standard premium street wheel but to me the 101a are better cause they feel more aggressive for street and faster

I’m on the dragons right now and I love them! So fast, so soft, but still feels like a street wheel mostly(not as sticky as a cruiser wheel in my opinion) and if these bones experimental are a bit harder im down bad for them, I’ll pay the ridiculous price I paid for the dragons maybe more

When are these bones expected to release?

I think November? Not sure. If you like the dragons and would want to try a slightly harder version of those, then you’ll probably love these. Both these and the dragons make me miss f4s for things. But when I’m on f4s I also miss having these on lol. Pretty conflicted overall.

Powerslides, like dragons are really really really good for the most part. I’m 100% happy with these or dragons or f4s for reverts n powerslides. It’s more sidewall drag on grinds and some slide tricks on some ledges (most of my skating is ledge tech shit)… and the wheelbite thing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 26, 2022, 04:43:04 AM
Been rolling on Bones SPF 84b (alleged 104a equivalent) 60mm V5 Side Cut wheels since January. I have ridden the wheels down from 60 to 55mm.
Was on F4 99a 56mm Conicals prior.

I have enjoyed riding the Bones wheel very much. At first I used as prescribed keeping to relatively smooth skate parks. As the contact patch widened I tried a hill bomb and some switchbacks. Enjoying the wheel on rougher ground while going fast I started to use the wheel almost exclusively when normally I run 78-80a on roads.

Pros
    Super hard, allows one to feel the ground below.
    More grip than F4 99a.
    Shape is very lite for a large wheel.
    Contact patch changes from classic like to conical full which is a pleasant transition.
    Wheel size overpowers crust.
    Holds up to desert southwest triple digit temps and the sun baked concrete.
Cons
    Wheel picked up metal coping slivers on the side which stayed in until contact patch reached it.
    I had one flat spot from hitting rock at full speed at skate park. Was able to work most of it out sliding on rough concrete the day it happened.
    The wheel goes from grippy to ice cube really fast. I actually like the feeling of how the grip hooks back up once in line with inertia.
    Once ground down to 56mm the wheel chips slightly.

I highly recommend this size/shape/formula combo if you like rolling fast on a hard wheel. Want a wheel that lasts longer than most. Desire a large yet lite wheel. Want a wheel that can jump over cracks/rocks firstly due to 60mm height, secondly due to wide contact patch manifesting once worn down.
I think the wheels could be ridden down to around 52mm. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PisstickleTypeExperience on September 29, 2022, 12:22:40 PM
How bad is the Bones original formula? Looking at some V5 sidecuts in 100a mostly because I just love black wheels and the shape looks real nice. I skate park almost exclusively.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2022, 02:18:16 PM
Been rolling on Bones SPF 84b (alleged 104a equivalent) 60mm V5 Side Cut wheels since January. I have ridden the wheels down from 60 to 55mm.


I hated those things on anything but smooth skateparks (where they were insanely good).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 29, 2022, 07:58:08 PM
I'm sure most people are sick of me going on about all the different soft wheels but just an update on the Bones experimental 97s, since nobody else on the internet seems to have any opinion on them.

I've had them for 10 days, skating lots and they're all about 51.2, 51.3ish mms from 52mms. Haven't bombed any hills. Like the dragons and all the prototypes, they definitely wear down noticeably faster than a formula four. Not a dealbreaker for me personally but worth noting.

Grind drag hasn't gotten any better since the initial break in. Grinds on street ledges still feel gummier, pinching and holding long grinds is less predictable (again, a little better than dragons but not as good as f4)

For example, on a long slappy crooked grind on a curb, it goes if you lean back and push it a bit further, but if you try to adjust mid grind and stand up straight on it it definitely catches and sticks a bit easier than a hard wheel.

A lot of this can be fixed with wax, but everything else constant these absolutely grind worse than a hard wheel and I'm not about to wax a curb or some ledge that everyone else is skating. And there's still less tactile feedback because the wheels are soft and that kinda matters when you're trying to make small adjustments mid slide/grind

How much this will affect you depends on how and what you skate, but if you had no problems with dragons then these will be alright too. Probably a little closer to dragons than f4s in the grind/slide department.

All that being said I still find myself skating these because pushing less on rough spots is nice, and I do think they make me a little less sore after a long session. If a harder dragon with many of the same problems (to a lesser degree) is what you're after, this is it.

It feels like even if they made a 99a version of this formula, it would still feel softer than a 99a f4, I'd be interested in that.

(https://i.imgur.com/7H1A6l7.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 29, 2022, 10:00:17 PM
As far as skating rough terrain how much 'worse' are the 97s over the 93s? Noticeably different?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 29, 2022, 10:11:15 PM
As far as skating rough terrain how much 'worse' are the 97s over the 93s? Noticeably different?

Yeah they're definitely harder and I guess 'worse' than the 93s. If you had me draw a spectrum between dragons on the left and 99a f4s on the right, I'd say these are definitely a little left leaning on that scale in all aspects.

For me thats a good thing overall because the 97s still handle the rougher spots I skate just fine (to me they still feel softer and a little gummier than a 97a f4), but on smoother asphalt and concrete I like to have a tad more ground feel and feedback.

But if you go to either 93 or 97 coming from a 99 f4, they'll both feel like a significant improvement in handling rough terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrankRizzo on September 30, 2022, 05:18:30 AM
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Been rolling on Bones SPF 84b (alleged 104a equivalent) 60mm V5 Side Cut wheels since January. I have ridden the wheels down from 60 to 55mm.

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I hated those things on anything but smooth skateparks (where they were insanely good).
I think I know what you mean. At slower speeds just a little bit of sand getting pulverized by that 84b slows the wheel way down.
Growing up near Niagara Falls in Upstate NY crust was all I knew.
Navigating crust on a hard wheel must remind me of my childhood.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on September 30, 2022, 06:03:06 AM
All this soft wheel hype made me realize that I simply like hard wheels and need to sacrifice not riding smoothly up to the spot. Completely backfired and made me buy 103a stfs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on September 30, 2022, 06:22:07 AM
what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.

i got a set of them, my friend bought a set earlier and he liked them so i thought why not. so far i've only skated to the store on them, but on the way there i skated on asphalt and bricks and they slid very well, a little stickier than f4s (those are truly unfuckwithable in that aspect) but i really didn't have to adjust where i put my body weight when powersliding like i had to with other wheels. i don't know the hardness, it's nowhere to be found on the packaging or the wheels themselves, they feel harder than 99a spitfires, so i'm guessing they're like 100s or 101s. i'm heading to the skatepark after work so i'll write more tomorrow (or maybe tonight because i'm going to a party after that so we will see where that goes) but i'm pleasantly surprised as for now. they're so much cheaper than f4s too, like price point wheels without really feeling like price point wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on September 30, 2022, 07:10:27 AM
Annoyed Bones only come in 99 for V2’s…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2022, 10:48:17 AM
Annoyed Bones only come in 99 for V2’s…

I feel you, would much rather have nabbed some 103s the last time I picked up some V2s...been bouncing back and forth on 51mm V1 103s, and 52mm dragon v1s (bluntslides be damned) they just work...and my sessions are longer on the dragons, so bizzare.

I'm usually a 101/103a rider by choice, surface be damned...I'm hoping the 97a feel better on blunt slides as that is the only tricks I have that seems to really suffer on the 93s, they're just to unpredictable and not a trick you want to gamble with.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 30, 2022, 11:05:48 AM
Depends on the surface tbh. On waxed, slightly more porous concrete ledges, the 93 dragons were great for bluntslides and the 97s better. But on stuff like skatelite, wood, less porous less waxed concrete the 93 dragons struggled, and so do the 97s albeit a tad less.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2022, 11:56:46 AM
Depends on the surface tbh. On waxed, slightly more porous concrete ledges, the 93 dragons were great for bluntslides and the 97s better. But on stuff like skatelite, wood, less porous less waxed concrete the 93 dragons struggled, and so do the 97s albeit a tad less.

Blunts on curbs the 93s were unpredictable (but more than 97a spits were, loss cause here), they'd go but not consistently compared to the 103 stfs (I do my best blunts on 103 stfs, nothing comes close)...where the dragons would grab occasionally (much like when you get your angle wrong and blunt not slide) the 103s were glassy all the time...spit 101a will work too; blunts to me just require a hard wheel as I need all the slide help I can get.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 30, 2022, 12:19:33 PM
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Depends on the surface tbh. On waxed, slightly more porous concrete ledges, the 93 dragons were great for bluntslides and the 97s better. But on stuff like skatelite, wood, less porous less waxed concrete the 93 dragons struggled, and so do the 97s albeit a tad less.
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Blunts on curbs the 93s were unpredictable (but more than 97a spits were, loss cause here), they'd go but not consistently compared to the 103 stfs (I do my best blunts on 103 stfs, nothing comes close)...where the dragons would grab occasionally (much like when you get your angle wrong and blunt not slide) the 103s were glassy all the time...spit 101a will work too; blunts to me just require a hard wheel as I need all the slide help I can get.

Yeah thats basically my experience with these soft bones wheels. If its situation where you get in the perfect position and have your weight distributed perfectly, don't jam your wheels against the curb/rail/ledge at the wrong angle or anything, then it goes just as good as a hard wheel.

But if your execution isn't perfect on the obstacle, there's less margin for error and you're more likely to catch.

These wheels grind and slide due to the special formula not the hardness. But in some cases the hardness of the wheel is what gives you the control and response needed and a fancy formula cannot make up for that.

This is all splitting hairs of course, and obviously I'm happy to be skating these right now, but grinds n slides is basically 95% of what I do so I definitely notice these subtle differences when compared to f4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2022, 01:13:19 PM
I'm sure I'll get used it (more wax would help too) but the 97s seem like they'll be ever so slightly less fussy than the 93s so I'll take it.

FWIW, I don't particularly like blunt sliding on 99s no matter the brand, unless on slippy curbs, and then any wheel can be as dangerous.

It's like rails or slicks. Sure, I CAN slide that double sided curb quite well and decently far with a waxed board, but it's effortless with rails...and my tail/nose slides are much nicer feeling on slicks or grinding ATGs...half speed/effort needed to meet or beat what you can do on other brands...That's how I feel 103s are for blunts.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: sacking rails on September 30, 2022, 01:28:57 PM
just go faster
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 30, 2022, 01:31:48 PM
I'm sure I'll get used it (more wax would help too) but the 97s seem like they'll be ever so slightly less fussy than the 93s so I'll take it.

FWIW, I don't particularly like blunt sliding on 99s no matter the brand, unless on slippy curbs, and then any wheel can be as dangerous.

It's like rails or slicks. Sure, I CAN slide that double sided curb quite well and decently far with a waxed board, but it's effortless with rails...and my tail/nose slides are much nicer feeling on slicks or grinding ATGs...half speed/effort needed to meet or beat what you can do on other brands...That's how I feel 103s are for blunts.

Thats funny I actually prefer like the way 99 f4s slide on adequately waxed stuff, a teeny bit of resistance for you to push through makes it feel like you're actually in control as opposed to just icily gliding across.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 30, 2022, 01:39:24 PM
just go faster

Generally the correct advice. But a little trickier on these soft wheels.

On a hard wheel lets say you're rolling up at a speed of 7, and once you lock into say a crooked grind you naturally slow down a bit and you're grinding at a speed of 6, slowly decelerating to maybe a 4 upon exit over the course of a long grind

On these wheels its you can make up for it by rolling up at a speed of 10 (which to be fair is easier because these are generally faster and smoother), but once you lock in due to the softness and grip you decelerate and drag a lot more so you may still end up grinding at a speed of 6 and you'll probably decelerate to a 3 much quicker

But decelerating from 10 to 6 upon impact is a lot more jarring than from 7 to 6 so its a little harder to adjust to, control and sit in the grind properly for as long.

Pulled these numbers out of my ass but I think you get what I mean, definitely something I noticed. Again you can compensate for this with wax, but I try not to wax shit if possible so...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 30, 2022, 01:51:34 PM
Eloquently put and my exact experience this morning on a well-waxed curb. These are painted red curbs that are highly waxed, but San Diego gets dusty. You can easily hit dust wax and slow down from 7 to 2 or 3 on Dragons and need to pop off or just stop. On F4 those issues just don't happen. But you do push more. Since I am on Thunders I am attentive to waxing the side of the ledge/curb, but even missing a spot or a spot wearing through the wax would require attention.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on September 30, 2022, 01:57:39 PM
Some clips of Townley testing the dual duro OJs (and the new Indys)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cif15KUstDz/?igshid=NDc0ODY0MjQ=
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2022, 02:03:46 PM
blunts on dragons do indeed force me to pop off sooner rather than later...I have to pop out before they grip, cutting the slide short, even at full speed...103 stfs I can sit on for days once that slide kicks in and choose my distance much more easily (or end up eating shit because I tend to Puds and slide/grind for as long as I can instead of Gustavo'ing the trick for 2.5").

It almost feels like powerslideing, that point where you know the slide is going to grip/end so you have to prep. This happens much sooner on dragons than on regular wheels, even at fast speeds; they just don't hold their speed when you lock in.

As for just 'go faster', @tzhangdox is on point with his explanation.

Some clips of Townley testing the dual duro OJs (and the new Indys)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cif15KUstDz/?igshid=NDc0ODY0MjQ=

sick clips!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on September 30, 2022, 06:04:54 PM
pros and cons of wheel shapes you’ve tried. what’re their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 30, 2022, 06:25:43 PM
pros and cons of wheel shapes you’ve tried. what’re their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?

Bones V2/Spit tablets =  ledges/rails
Bones V5 = slappies/rails/bowls - favorite wheel shape
Spit Radial Slims for literally everything else

I've never like classics because of the golfball-like shape (I don't like wide wheels); big fan of the V1/regular snot wheels shape...it's not really a classic shape but it's a 'standard' wheel on the thin side.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on September 30, 2022, 08:16:05 PM
pros and cons of wheel shapes you’ve tried. what’re their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?

General principles for the three main shapes (I'm biased towards CF/V6).

Conical Full/V6: Sharp edge. Very controlled, very stable, and very predictable. Grip well. Has a clearer differentiation between the wheel tipping or not... hard to tip over. Many say harder to flip. A more "snappy" flip, rather than a smoother easier flip. Locks into stuff more definitively, but can be harder to get out of locks. Good for rough ground. I love how secure they feel while powersliding. Conical cut takes away a bit of the extra weight from the wheel, but are still wider/heavier wheels than classics. What I would trust when bombing a hill. Great for all types of real street skating (but not the most tech wheel) and general park skating (might hang-up a bit more in transition). Great for always feeling in stable and in control.

Radial/V4: Radial edge. More effective at skating weird geometry/transitions, and ride over random obstacles. Grip well. Climbs sideways/diagonally better, and gets into coping grinds easier (but also slip out of grinds easier). More gradual to tip which can be better for flip tricks for some people. More smooth/easy flips. Tend to be a heavier shape as they bulge out to the sides. Pretty stable. Great for park/transition/bowls, are versatile but wide/heavier and less tech. Great at riding over coping and tackling transition.

Classic/V1: Thin, lightweight, with rounded edge. More nimble but less stable. Quicker easy flips. More space between trucks. Struggles with rougher ground. Share a lot in common with radials, but for street skating rather than transition skating. Great for tech and flip tricks and smooth street skateparks. Great for learning flip tricks.

Something people don't talk about enough is how much more nimble thin wheels are. I've got to tighten my trucks for thin wheels and loosen them for wide wheels. Its a bit of a trip going between the two. Feels like my wheels are balancing on their tiptoes when I try switching back to thinner shapes these days.

A lot of wheel shapes are like a combination of the above three, if you want to be reductive. Tablets/V2 are like a Classic/CF hybrid in a weird way if you think about it. I agree with Xen they are like a tech/ledge wheel. I also think Tablets look really cool, and the people who skate them always put them to good use. Makes me jealous. I've always liked them when I've tried them on others' boards.

Bones/Powell V6 56mm is my favorite wheel shape. Its like a slimmed down and deeply cut version of the Conical Full, without losing the stability/control of a Conical Full. It seems like Spitfire's OG Classic is similar in that respect. I really want to try a 56+mm OG Classic soon. 56mm CF are just too chunky IMO. Once you size up past 54mm, they take a leap in width that's a bit too much for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 01, 2022, 12:42:15 AM
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Bones V2/Spit tablets =  ledges/rails
Bones V5 = slappies/rails/bowls - favorite wheel shape
Spit Radial Slims for literally everything else

Blessed wheel shape and unique to Spitfire,  I'd say impossible to find a similar wheel profile amongst other brands.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 01, 2022, 07:27:43 AM
Classic Fulls are god tier.

I don't like wide wheels if I don't have to. My last wheels were classic fulls that were 54 to start and measured 34.5 wide with 23 contact patch at 50.5. I don't like locking into any sort of crook with that profile, but Foy does fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 01, 2022, 09:11:30 AM
pros and cons of wheel shapes you’ve tried. what’re their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?

Just switched from Conical Fulls to Classics and was surprised by how much easier flip tricks were. My first few flicks, my board rotated further than I expected - I had to dial down my flick to get it back to normal. Also seems like they get into a slappy a little easier, but that might be my imagination.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on October 01, 2022, 09:36:40 AM
Annoyed Bones only come in 99 for V2’s…

I have 103 V2s in 51 and 53. 

Tactics has 52s for sale now.   https://www.tactics.com/bones/stf-v2-locks-skateboard-wheels/retros-103a

Long Beach has 53s
https://lbskate.com/products/bones-stf-retros-v5-sidecut-103a-53mm-skateboard-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on October 01, 2022, 10:18:12 AM
Currently riding a set of 101a Rictas. Was riding 99 F4s before.

Curious how Bones 103a STF, Spitfire 101a and OJ Elite 101 compare now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 01, 2022, 11:03:19 AM
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Just switched from Conical Fulls to Classics and was surprised by how much easier flip tricks were. My first few flicks, my board rotated further than I expected - I had to dial down my flick to get it back to normal. Also seems like they get into a slappy a little easier, but that might be my imagination.

Your imagination is my reality.

Same thing happened, but I also went up to 149 so it sorta cancelled out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2022, 11:32:31 AM
Currently riding a set of 101a Rictas. Was riding 99 F4s before.

Curious how Bones 103a STF, Spitfire 101a and OJ Elite 101 compare now.

101 Ricta are hard to beat once you adjust to the slide. Everything else will feel soft but Elites but Elites will be too grippy, bones will be too glassy, and spit will feel a bit slower, in my experience (after riding ricta).

They wear down pretty fast but no flats spots or complaints.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 01, 2022, 02:34:14 PM
WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?
Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I haven’t really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, what’s the verdict?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2022, 12:04:39 AM
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pros and cons of wheel shapes you’ve tried. what’re their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?
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Bones V2/Spit tablets =  ledges/rails
Bones V5 = slappies/rails/bowls - favorite wheel shape
Spit Radial Slims for literally everything else
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Blessed wheel shape and unique to Spitfire,  I'd say impossible to find a similar wheel profile amongst other brands.

Dug my last set out and rode them today (been on 93 dragons and 103 v1s), they feel so good, way better than the classics I had with me, both 101.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on October 02, 2022, 06:15:19 AM
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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i got a set of them, my friend bought a set earlier and he liked them so i thought why not. so far i've only skated to the store on them, but on the way there i skated on asphalt and bricks and they slid very well, a little stickier than f4s (those are truly unfuckwithable in that aspect) but i really didn't have to adjust where i put my body weight when powersliding like i had to with other wheels. i don't know the hardness, it's nowhere to be found on the packaging or the wheels themselves, they feel harder than 99a spitfires, so i'm guessing they're like 100s or 101s. i'm heading to the skatepark after work so i'll write more tomorrow (or maybe tonight because i'm going to a party after that so we will see where that goes) but i'm pleasantly surprised as for now. they're so much cheaper than f4s too, like price point wheels without really feeling like price point wheels.

still haven’t been to the skatepark, but i skated street all day yesterday on them, bombed some hills and skated a wooden ramp. they worked well on all, a little slippery on the wooden ramp but that’s not surprising for hard wheels, f4s were slippery there too. slide great on asphalt, ok on bricks, i haven’t got any flatspots on them yet. my last two sets of wheels different than f4s were dialtones and bones 100s and pig wheels i would rank higher than those two. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on October 02, 2022, 11:09:55 AM
Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2022, 12:18:04 PM
Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.

I keep meaning to nab a set during xx amount off clearance items...they were $14 last SW sale... not much of a risk.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 02, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
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Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.
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I keep meaning to nab a set during xx amount off clearance items...they were $14 last SW sale... not much of a risk.

Bought a set of the Primes a while back and shared on here that they were really good. I think a little better than the OJ Elites.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rob on October 03, 2022, 02:31:33 AM
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pros and cons of wheel shapes you’ve tried. what’re their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?
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Bones V2/Spit tablets =  ledges/rails
Bones V5 = slappies/rails/bowls - favorite wheel shape
Spit Radial Slims for literally everything else
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Blessed wheel shape and unique to Spitfire,  I'd say impossible to find a similar wheel profile amongst other brands.
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Dug my last set out and rode them today (been on 93 dragons and 103 v1s), they feel so good, way better than the classics I had with me, both 101.

Are we twinning? I’m also currently on the dragons with my mini logo trucks krooked combo and 103v1 on my Indy zoo York setup
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on October 03, 2022, 03:46:56 AM
Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.

Fairly sure you can get Pig primes in any popular duro. I've definitely seen 99a and 101a at various shops. The pig line is actually pretty diverse, but like most Tumyeto stuff individual duros/shapes/colors come and go from their site and are usually easier to find at the warehouses or local shops that are particularly chummy with the Tumy.

Pig wheels are decent. I have some of the 97a conicals and they're actually far better than I expected them to be when I got them. They're kinda sticky on dry ground but they slide fine once you break them loose. It's a very predictable response. I fear the dragons have made them obsolete, but they were actually my favourite soft/hybrid wheel for a while until NFG dropped their 95a formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dwyck on October 03, 2022, 06:31:29 AM
I said the NFG 56 Vees I was skating were 99s...

NFG doesn't make a 99...

They're 52D, 103A equivalent

I've been skating them and wondering why the fuck are these so slippery...

I fucked up. But I dig them after skating F4 99s so long
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: huggernaut on October 03, 2022, 02:25:20 PM
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Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.
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Fairly sure you can get Pig primes in any popular duro. I've definitely seen 99a and 101a at various shops. The pig line is actually pretty diverse, but like most Tumyeto stuff individual duros/shapes/colors come and go from their site and are usually easier to find at the warehouses or local shops that are particularly chummy with the Tumy.

Pig wheels are decent. I have some of the 97a conicals and they're actually far better than I expected them to be when I got them. They're kinda sticky on dry ground but they slide fine once you break them loose. It's a very predictable response. I fear the dragons have made them obsolete, but they were actually my favourite soft/hybrid wheel for a while until NFG dropped their 95a formula.

You like the nfg 95a more than the dragons?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shufflessss on October 03, 2022, 03:23:09 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjPWcr1st6P/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Here's an Austin wheel company that just started. My wife bought the 55's and after checking hers out I might do the same
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on October 04, 2022, 07:58:33 AM
What do you guys think about this new OJ Double Duro? 101 on the outside and 95a on the inside. I am curious to try them. i really dont like the idea of the soft ass dragons this seems like a better option. not out yet but maybe someone here has got a sneak peak?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 04, 2022, 09:29:35 AM
No one has tried them so hard to speak accurately. My guess is Powell Dragons/Bones X damage control.

The pitch:

101a Outer = Hard wheel characteristics/performance = slide...so theoretically a better slide than say, a 95 or 97 (but OJs don't really do that well; jury is out on a new thane for these)

95a Inner = Dampening/absorption of a smaller wheel

In spit terms, you get the slide of the 101a, and [supposedly] crust conquering of the 97s...imagine an F4 like that...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQVkMhB9wA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on October 04, 2022, 11:13:40 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjPWcr1st6P/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Here's an Austin wheel company that just started. My wife bought the 55's and after checking hers out I might do the same

Couple people I know have been riding these, they seem alright, the only thing I have against them is the whole DIY aesthetic they are trying to push when in fact these are prolly just another batch of creative urethane, there is nothing special about them, glad there is a company ran by a woman of color that’s doing things and putting on for austin though, they recently put on a curb contest here in Austin and it looked rad
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on October 04, 2022, 11:34:36 AM
No one has tried them so hard to speak accurately. My guess is Powell Dragons/Bones X damage control.

The pitch:

101a Outer = Hard wheel characteristics/performance = slide...so theoretically a better slide than say, a 95 or 97 (but OJs don't really do that well; jury is out on a new thane for these)

95a Inner = Dampening/absorption of a smaller wheel

In spit terms, you get the slide of the 101a, and [supposedly] crust conquering of the 97s...imagine an F4 like that...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQVkMhB9wA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.

i reallly need to try dragon for myself to see how it slides compared to 95a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: huggernaut on October 04, 2022, 11:43:48 AM
What brands are made by creative/mearthane?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on October 04, 2022, 11:50:16 AM
WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?

Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I haven’t really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, what’s the verdict?

They're designed to be mounted with the square side in for better lock ins. IIRC they were pretty much a response to spits lock in shape
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 04, 2022, 12:05:08 PM
What brands are made by creative/mearthane?

Just about any wheel brand that says 'Made in the USA' that isn't Acid/NFG/Bones/Spit..etc., and assume all 'team' wheels unless specified are China-made.

[dated info] found on page 3 of this thread...

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg2273002#msg2273002
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 04, 2022, 12:53:42 PM
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WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?

Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I haven’t really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, what’s the verdict?
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They're designed to be mounted with the square side in for better lock ins. IIRC they were pretty much a response to spits lock in shape

Thanks man  :)
I thought so too, but i thought the manufacturer had an idea with placing the graphics on the square side, as many wheels are designed for graphics to face out, I thought that was the main way to use them.
I thought the Slime balls and OJ combo shape were OG wheel shapes from way back when?

I think a lot of thoughts, just a thought.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: realbasedgod112 on October 04, 2022, 04:26:45 PM
Currently riding a set of 101a Rictas. Was riding 99 F4s before.

Curious how Bones 103a STF, Spitfire 101a and OJ Elite 101 compare now.
i've got the OJ 101s set up on my glass park setup right now, so obviously they see less use but they're still nice. i was soured a bit at first as i flatspotted them with relative ease on a park that had been concreted a fair while ago (granted i was intentionally trying to, in order to see if they would hold up).
despite this, they feel really nice on those smoother parks. never tried spitfire so i can't speak on that matter, but on those parks that range from smooth-glassy they perform well compared to stf's. i don't slide out ever, and they feel easy to control in powerslides. if i was being more sceptical i would say how they take that tiny bit more effort (that FEELS like a mountain compared to the relative molehill it is) to break into a slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jimgrude on October 04, 2022, 04:50:17 PM


Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.

The Autobahn dual duro ones were 101A core with 97A outer, so the opposite of what OJ's trying.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 04, 2022, 05:07:07 PM
Dual durometers have been a thing for a long time, but it's always been softer outer with harder core. No idea what effects happen when reversing the durometer positions, so this looks interesting. The only thing I can think of is that it'll reduce vibration when pushing through crappy ground. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 04, 2022, 05:26:47 PM
WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?
Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I haven’t really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, what’s the verdict?


I had meant to reply to this a while back but got distracted.


At least you pretty much have the info re asymmetric shaped wheels, but some people do like to ride them in and some out, most the normal way, as said, but they do give you the option, mini combo = a combination of two wheel shapes so you can choose either way depending on what you want or how wide your wheel to truck to deck is and other factors.


As for the surfaces of different ramps, as well as how people skate, there can be so many variables between what might be considered the best wheels for any given place.  Some people like to have that slip and slide feel, whereas others prefer NO slide unless they want it to slide, so you can easily go from 101 / 99 down to 90 duro and everything in between for the same ramp, depending on who is skating it and what they prefer.

Try the normal wheels you have (with caution) and if they are extremely slippery, then I would say go down to a lower duro than 97, but if you just wanted a touch more grip, then the 97s should be good.

The different wheel brands with different formulas will skate differently as well, but for the most part the 97s from Spitfire and Slimeballs will work well on moderately slippery ramps, but will still feel too hard on very slippery ramp surfaces.

Lower duros than that I found that the Mini Logo 95 duro or even the 90 duro were really good, kept speed and didn't slip out on the skatelite / slippery wood / other surfaces around here, whereas some other 95 duro wheels didn't keep grip on the slippery stuff and some other 90 duro wheels just ended up being very slow to roll over those surfaces, when compared to the normal harder wheels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 04, 2022, 06:23:57 PM
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Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.
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The Autobahn dual duro ones were 101A core with 97A outer, so the opposite of what OJ's trying.


Autobahn Dual Duro Ultra 97a/100a (inner/outer) (they also came in 97a/97a) - clear urethane core

Autobahn ABX Dual Duro 83B/97A (inner/outer) - black core/plastic

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on October 05, 2022, 02:52:02 PM
are any pals getting their hands on the ojs early (a la dragons)
more interested in these than any of the powell wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 06, 2022, 04:44:13 AM
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WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?
Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I haven’t really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, what’s the verdict?
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I had meant to reply to this a while back but got distracted.


At least you pretty much have the info re asymmetric shaped wheels, but some people do like to ride them in and some out, most the normal way, as said, but they do give you the option, mini combo = a combination of two wheel shapes so you can choose either way depending on what you want or how wide your wheel to truck to deck is and other factors.


As for the surfaces of different ramps, as well as how people skate, there can be so many variables between what might be considered the best wheels for any given place.  Some people like to have that slip and slide feel, whereas others prefer NO slide unless they want it to slide, so you can easily go from 101 / 99 down to 90 duro and everything in between for the same ramp, depending on who is skating it and what they prefer.

Try the normal wheels you have (with caution) and if they are extremely slippery, then I would say go down to a lower duro than 97, but if you just wanted a touch more grip, then the 97s should be good.

The different wheel brands with different formulas will skate differently as well, but for the most part the 97s from Spitfire and Slimeballs will work well on moderately slippery ramps, but will still feel too hard on very slippery ramp surfaces.

Lower duros than that I found that the Mini Logo 95 duro or even the 90 duro were really good, kept speed and didn't slip out on the skatelite / slippery wood / other surfaces around here, whereas some other 95 duro wheels didn't keep grip on the slippery stuff and some other 90 duro wheels just ended up being very slow to roll over those surfaces, when compared to the normal harder wheels.

This was really helpful!
I think my next set of wheels are gonna be either the stupid dragon wheels, or the OJ/Slime balls 97a.
I think the shape, with the radial side outwards and the conical on the inside might be really good for sliding and locking into ledges and rails.
My only skatepark is strictly wooden stuff. In the street area it has concrete floor between obstacles, but I want to learn mini-ramp and smaller transition. I’m 35, and just started again, was never good as a teen though. I’m working up the courage to do my first drop in, and really don’t want to introduce my teeth to metal coping.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 06, 2022, 07:57:04 AM
I don't know why you'd want Dragons or a soft wheel for that kind of park unless the wood is more slick than Skatelite. Dragons drag a bit on metal coping too. Wouldn't a big standard formula work just fine? Personally when I came back to skating I started on F4 99 since they were a middle ground hard wheel and for the most part have been fine. I was skating a park like you described and found the 103a wheels too slick for me (they were super fast tho) and 95 too soft.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 06, 2022, 08:00:38 AM
Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: huggernaut on October 06, 2022, 08:34:24 AM
I don't know why you'd want Dragons or a soft wheel for that kind of park unless the wood is more slick than Skatelite. Dragons drag a bit on metal coping too. Wouldn't a big standard formula work just fine? Personally when I came back to skating I started on F4 99 since they were a middle ground hard wheel and for the most part have been fine. I was skating a park like you described and found the 103a wheels too slick for me (they were super fast tho) and 95 too soft.

Recently put on a set of f4 99a classics and all I could think was “are we all just fucking overthinking it?”
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 06, 2022, 08:52:47 AM
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I don't know why you'd want Dragons or a soft wheel for that kind of park unless the wood is more slick than Skatelite. Dragons drag a bit on metal coping too. Wouldn't a big standard formula work just fine? Personally when I came back to skating I started on F4 99 since they were a middle ground hard wheel and for the most part have been fine. I was skating a park like you described and found the 103a wheels too slick for me (they were super fast tho) and 95 too soft.
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Recently put on a set of f4 99a classics and all I could think was “are we all just fucking overthinking it?”

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/596/dsmGaKWMeHXe9QuJtq_ys30PNfTGnMsRuHuo_MUzGCg.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 06, 2022, 09:05:02 AM
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I don't know why you'd want Dragons or a soft wheel for that kind of park unless the wood is more slick than Skatelite. Dragons drag a bit on metal coping too. Wouldn't a big standard formula work just fine? Personally when I came back to skating I started on F4 99 since they were a middle ground hard wheel and for the most part have been fine. I was skating a park like you described and found the 103a wheels too slick for me (they were super fast tho) and 95 too soft.
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Recently put on a set of f4 99a classics and all I could think was “are we all just fucking overthinking it?”
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(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/596/dsmGaKWMeHXe9QuJtq_ys30PNfTGnMsRuHuo_MUzGCg.jpg)

Been on the 93 dragons since I got them. Last night's session I went with spit 99a conicals...the results....no real difference except for lots more vibration on some of the rougher spots...they also felt really hard and glassy in comparison.

I did miss the smooth ride of the dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: huggernaut on October 06, 2022, 09:18:07 AM
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I don't know why you'd want Dragons or a soft wheel for that kind of park unless the wood is more slick than Skatelite. Dragons drag a bit on metal coping too. Wouldn't a big standard formula work just fine? Personally when I came back to skating I started on F4 99 since they were a middle ground hard wheel and for the most part have been fine. I was skating a park like you described and found the 103a wheels too slick for me (they were super fast tho) and 95 too soft.
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Recently put on a set of f4 99a classics and all I could think was “are we all just fucking overthinking it?”
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(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/596/dsmGaKWMeHXe9QuJtq_ys30PNfTGnMsRuHuo_MUzGCg.jpg)
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Been on the 93 dragons since I got them. Last night's session I went with spit 99a conicals...the results....no real difference except for lots more vibration on some of the rougher spots...they also felt really hard and glassy in comparison.

I did miss the smooth ride of the dragons.

To be clear the next session I threw dragons on and was like “oh…my old bones feel so good”
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: overwaxed on October 06, 2022, 09:25:51 AM
I had a bearing slip mid slappy on a 54mm dragon and slammed harder than I have in years and bruised a few ribs - so I’m officially off that kool aid

Anyone tried OJ nomads or 97a oj/slimeballs? Also I can only ever skate odd numbered sizes - sounds crazy but every bad fall/injury has been on even numbered wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 06, 2022, 09:41:02 AM
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I don't know why you'd want Dragons or a soft wheel for that kind of park unless the wood is more slick than Skatelite. Dragons drag a bit on metal coping too. Wouldn't a big standard formula work just fine? Personally when I came back to skating I started on F4 99 since they were a middle ground hard wheel and for the most part have been fine. I was skating a park like you described and found the 103a wheels too slick for me (they were super fast tho) and 95 too soft.
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Recently put on a set of f4 99a classics and all I could think was “are we all just fucking overthinking it?”
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(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/596/dsmGaKWMeHXe9QuJtq_ys30PNfTGnMsRuHuo_MUzGCg.jpg)

Don't get me wrong it totally makes sense to have different wheels if your spots differ that much. I think if I hadn't skated in years and got back into it that I wouldn't start with a specialized wheel necessarily or at least one designed to handle rough spots when I'm skating a nice wooden park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 06, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
I don't know why you'd want Dragons or a soft wheel for that kind of park unless the wood is more slick than Skatelite. Dragons drag a bit on metal coping too. Wouldn't a big standard formula work just fine? Personally when I came back to skating I started on F4 99 since they were a middle ground hard wheel and for the most part have been fine. I was skating a park like you described and found the 103a wheels too slick for me (they were super fast tho) and 95 too soft.

I don’t know either, I am the noob. 99a F4 is what I have, and now I’ve been rolling around in there for a while, and can tell that the slide isn’t as bad as I feared. I’m coming up to 99a from a softer wheel, so for me it’s scary. I’m probably way overthinking skateboarding.
Can’t find current pictures of the mini I skate the most, but here’s one of the street area and one of the dual bowls.
(https://i.ibb.co/T2wk1Zm/384-F4016-9631-43-FD-BDDE-19-BFB011-D944.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T2wk1Zm)(https://i.ibb.co/KjqHXLs/49-F46930-FE67-40-E6-9-D48-77-A14-CC21-D2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KjqHXLs)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on October 06, 2022, 11:32:23 AM
Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.


I have an ancient set of SPFs and it never occurred to me to use them in indoor parks since they're 81B duro. I always thought the "park" referred to concrete parks (where they work like a charm), but I just checked and they explicitly say the formula offers firmer grip on slick surfaces.

https://bones.com/why/skatepark-formula/

I'm gonna give them a go on my next trip to an indoor park with wooden ramps and report back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 06, 2022, 12:51:48 PM
Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.

I honestly thought the SPF were specifically for concrete parks, and they’re like super hard at 81b and 84b, so it seems counter intuitive.

The board I’ve setup is setup towards that indoor “park”, as it is just a 3 minute walk from my house. I’m just a noob, and I got advised to get the 99a F4s by a local dude, and so far I’m not ready to give up on them, as they seem to be everyone’s favourite formula. It’s probably just me being a chickenshit kook.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on October 06, 2022, 01:02:34 PM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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I honestly thought the SPF were specifically for concrete parks, and they’re like super hard at 81b and 84b, so it seems counter intuitive.

The board I’ve setup is setup towards that indoor “park”, as it is just a 3 minute walk from my house. I’m just a noob, and I got advised to get the 99a F4s by a local dude, and so far I’m not ready to give up on them, as they seem to be everyone’s favourite formula. It’s probably just me being a chickenshit kook.

Yeah 99a formula fours should be just fine on that kinda surface you'll get used to it. Literally every single skater I know in the real world rides f4 99as, some slightly prefer 101 (or accidentally get them because they don't know better but then skate them just fine). Don't think about it too much.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dstrytruitt on October 06, 2022, 04:55:16 PM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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I have an ancient set of SPFs and it never occurred to me to use them in indoor parks since they're 81B duro. I always thought the "park" referred to concrete parks (where they work like a charm), but I just checked and they explicitly say the formula offers firmer grip on slick surfaces.

https://bones.com/why/skatepark-formula/

I'm gonna give them a go on my next trip to an indoor park with wooden ramps and report back.

I have some SPFs in my bag for skating slick parks, be they newer concrete or Masonite/skatelite. I recently forgot to switch out from f4 I like to skate at an older concrete park and ate shit a handful of times just slipping out trying to haul ass through some corners in the big flow bowl but once I switched to the spf I didn’t fall the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 06, 2022, 05:19:30 PM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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I honestly thought the SPF were specifically for concrete parks, and they’re like super hard at 81b and 84b, so it seems counter intuitive.

The board I’ve setup is setup towards that indoor “park”, as it is just a 3 minute walk from my house. I’m just a noob, and I got advised to get the 99a F4s by a local dude, and so far I’m not ready to give up on them, as they seem to be everyone’s favourite formula. It’s probably just me being a chickenshit kook.


The most simple way to break it down is this:


Yes most people skate normal 99 duro wheels (Spitfire Formula Four in particular but Bones in any formula as well - STF, SPF or other) on everything, including myself and I find they work great on the indoor street area too, as I would not want soft wheels when trying slide tricks on the ledges as they grip and stop.

Yes many of the older dudes or those with less balance slam hard on the mini ramp and bowl at my indoor park because they are not used to how slick the surface really is compared to a more grippy concrete surface or when they are skating in the street area on concrete floor.

This is why quite a number of those type of people will set up a board with softer wheels to ride on those ramps, or skate that for everything, as it is just way less likely to slip out and end in breaking something for them, as per a board I have specifically set up to skate on the slippery ramps with Spitfire 92 duro softer wheels, which feels just like normal 99 duro wheels on raw concrete in the outdoor section of my park.

It is not far off a cruiser in the overall feel of it, but it gives me way more confidence to skate the ramp and bowl that I know I would slip out on with normal 99 duro wheels.

As for anyone else who is not used to soft grippy wheels, they find the thing a beast, but no one has ever slipped out on it and I use it for beginners who are learning a lot on the ramps too as it still rolls fast, but will not have that icy feel to it that normal wheels do.


I do still skate the ramp / bowl quite often on my normal boards just as a warm up or to see how well I mopped the ramps, for which the surface is quite fast and not overly slippery when just having a few easy runs, but I only push it a bit to feel how much they slide, which is more than they grip, that's for sure.

As for your own local indoor park, if someone is cleaning the surfaces regularly and doing a good job, then it should be way less slippery, but if there is a dust build up, especially in certain areas, those can be like black ice on normal wheels and I saw that a lot at another indoor park I used to work at, people slipping out all the time on those slick ramps.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on October 07, 2022, 12:24:56 AM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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I have an ancient set of SPFs and it never occurred to me to use them in indoor parks since they're 81B duro. I always thought the "park" referred to concrete parks (where they work like a charm), but I just checked and they explicitly say the formula offers firmer grip on slick surfaces.

https://bones.com/why/skatepark-formula/

I'm gonna give them a go on my next trip to an indoor park with wooden ramps and report back.
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I have some SPFs in my bag for skating slick parks, be they newer concrete or Masonite/skatelite. I recently forgot to switch out from f4 I like to skate at an older concrete park and ate shit a handful of times just slipping out trying to haul ass through some corners in the big flow bowl but once I switched to the spf I didn’t fall the rest of the day.

Thanks for the input, I'll definitely give them a shot. My indoor park has decades-old wooden ramps and looks like no one ever dusts it, so I resorted to Dragons for riding it. I'm noticeably slower on them, but that's still better than potentially eating shit if I don't land exactly bolts (which is pretty much every try). If the SPFs offer enough grip and keep their speed, I'm set for the winter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 07, 2022, 02:38:45 AM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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I honestly thought the SPF were specifically for concrete parks, and they’re like super hard at 81b and 84b, so it seems counter intuitive.

The board I’ve setup is setup towards that indoor “park”, as it is just a 3 minute walk from my house. I’m just a noob, and I got advised to get the 99a F4s by a local dude, and so far I’m not ready to give up on them, as they seem to be everyone’s favourite formula. It’s probably just me being a chickenshit kook.
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The most simple way to break it down is this:


Yes most people skate normal 99 duro wheels (Spitfire Formula Four in particular but Bones in any formula as well - STF, SPF or other) on everything, including myself and I find they work great on the indoor street area too, as I would not want soft wheels when trying slide tricks on the ledges as they grip and stop.

Yes many of the older dudes or those with less balance slam hard on the mini ramp and bowl at my indoor park because they are not used to how slick the surface really is compared to a more grippy concrete surface or when they are skating in the street area on concrete floor.

This is why quite a number of those type of people will set up a board with softer wheels to ride on those ramps, or skate that for everything, as it is just way less likely to slip out and end in breaking something for them, as per a board I have specifically set up to skate on the slippery ramps with Spitfire 92 duro softer wheels, which feels just like normal 99 duro wheels on raw concrete in the outdoor section of my park.

It is not far off a cruiser in the overall feel of it, but it gives me way more confidence to skate the ramp and bowl that I know I would slip out on with normal 99 duro wheels.

As for anyone else who is not used to soft grippy wheels, they find the thing a beast, but no one has ever slipped out on it and I use it for beginners who are learning a lot on the ramps too as it still rolls fast, but will not have that icy feel to it that normal wheels do.


I do still skate the ramp / bowl quite often on my normal boards just as a warm up or to see how well I mopped the ramps, for which the surface is quite fast and not overly slippery when just having a few easy runs, but I only push it a bit to feel how much they slide, which is more than they grip, that's for sure.

As for your own local indoor park, if someone is cleaning the surfaces regularly and doing a good job, then it should be way less slippery, but if there is a dust build up, especially in certain areas, those can be like black ice on normal wheels and I saw that a lot at another indoor park I used to work at, people slipping out all the time on those slick ramps.

Looks like I have some experiments to conduct, before further gear acquisitions. I also have some thoughts about wheelbase/boards and bushings, but I’ll ask in another thread. I don’t think anyone is mopping the ramps. The concrete floor gets swept once in while, but you can still find some debris from one of the Masonite clad banks, that is shedding/peeling, tiny pebbles and a wood screw here and there.
I fell a couple of times in my last session there, but I don’t know if any of them were because of sliding around too much, as I’m simply not that experienced yet. One was wheelbite doing a kick turn below the coping on the mini. Sent my ass face first into the ramp.
If it turns out my falls have to do with riding hard-ish wheels, I’ll definitely look into 92a-95a-97a wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on October 07, 2022, 08:14:36 AM
are any pals getting their hands on the ojs early (a la dragons)
more interested in these than any of the powell wheels

Same. I never skated OJs but I think some have said they are sticky but if they fix that this wheel sounds good and more in my wheel house than dragons or the other bones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 07, 2022, 09:53:40 AM
Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.

Don’t use SPFs indoors, it will be like skating on ice. SPFs are made for smooth concrete parks. I know people who use them to skate vert (skatelite ramp), but we always mop the ramp before skating it. So unless you’re mopping the indoor park daily, stay away.

I personally use whatever 95a wheels I can find if I’m riding an indoor park or other slippery parks. OJs 95a wheels are good (haven’t tried the nomads yet but I’ve been meaning to). Speedlab and Rainskates have some decent 95a offerings too, but they’re on the bigger side.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: shpongle on October 07, 2022, 10:52:30 AM
Everybody knows the only wheels worth using are formula 4 spitfires. Dont even bother with anything else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on October 07, 2022, 03:21:27 PM
Everybody knows the only wheels worth using are formula 4 spitfires. Dont even bother with anything else.

Welp, it's decided, let's wrap it up folks, I guess there's no reason to post in this 8 year old, 193 page thread anymore
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 07, 2022, 04:19:44 PM
Everybody knows the only wheels worth using are formula 4 spitfires. Dont even bother with anything else.

But I like Dragons 93a more because Spitfire F4 99a can't even handle a little bit of crust and pebbles. I want to go fast, not clunk around on some slow wheel. But if you enjoy going slow and only skating perfectly manicured skateparks, then I understand and respect your decision. Just doesn't sound very core if you ask me, that's all. 8)

;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 07, 2022, 05:20:28 PM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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Don’t use SPFs indoors, it will be like skating on ice. SPFs are made for smooth concrete parks. I know people who use them to skate vert (skatelite ramp), but we always mop the ramp before skating it. So unless you’re mopping the indoor park daily, stay away.

I personally use whatever 95a wheels I can find if I’m riding an indoor park or other slippery parks. OJs 95a wheels are good (haven’t tried the nomads yet but I’ve been meaning to). Speedlab and Rainskates have some decent 95a offerings too, but they’re on the bigger side.


Sounds exactly like a number of people I know and skate with.

Some love their SPF on the vert ramp for how fast and slick they are, but I have seen them totally eat it on some occasions because of those wheels.

Many of the other guys swear by the bigger (and often wider) 95 duro wheels for their boards.


Also, I am not sure if it is the different urethane mix, but the older 97 and 95 formulas in OJ and Slimeballs (usually in the bigger wheel sizes) were so much better than wheels like the Nomads on slippery stuff.

Nomads worked well on bitumen / asphalt roads, rough or raw old concrete but slipped out a lot on wood and skatelite.

I do have one set of newer smaller Slimeballs which don't slip out as much and they are 97 duro, compared to the Nomads which are 95 duro.


The formula of a wheel is almost more important than the given durometer in some cases.

 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 07, 2022, 07:46:53 PM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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Don’t use SPFs indoors, it will be like skating on ice. SPFs are made for smooth concrete parks. I know people who use them to skate vert (skatelite ramp), but we always mop the ramp before skating it. So unless you’re mopping the indoor park daily, stay away.

I personally use whatever 95a wheels I can find if I’m riding an indoor park or other slippery parks. OJs 95a wheels are good (haven’t tried the nomads yet but I’ve been meaning to). Speedlab and Rainskates have some decent 95a offerings too, but they’re on the bigger side.
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Sounds exactly like a number of people I know and skate with.

Some love their SPF on the vert ramp for how fast and slick they are, but I have seen them totally eat it on some occasions because of those wheels.

Many of the other guys swear by the bigger (and often wider) 95 duro wheels for their boards.


Also, I am not sure if it is the different urethane mix, but the older 97 and 95 formulas in OJ and Slimeballs (usually in the bigger wheel sizes) were so much better than wheels like the Nomads on slippery stuff.

Nomads worked well on bitumen / asphalt roads, rough or raw old concrete but slipped out a lot on wood and skatelite.

I do have one set of newer smaller Slimeballs which don't slip out as much and they are 97 duro, compared to the Nomads which are 95 duro.


The formula of a wheel is almost more important than the given durometer in some cases.

Good to know about the nomads, I might pass on them now. I love the OJ II combo 95a 60mm. They’re fast and grippy, but they’re also super wide which I’m not always in the mood for. I saw there’s some new 57mm 95a OJ team riders, I’ll definitely grab a set of those if my local shop gets any.

There’s one park I frequently skate that’s covered in several layers of graffiti, so it’s very slippery. I always have a set of 95a wheels that I’ll put on just to skate there. 95a is the perfect balance of grip and speed when it comes to slippery parks, but you are also very correct that formula/brand matters just as much if not more than advertised durometer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 07, 2022, 08:11:19 PM
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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Don’t use SPFs indoors, it will be like skating on ice. SPFs are made for smooth concrete parks. I know people who use them to skate vert (skatelite ramp), but we always mop the ramp before skating it. So unless you’re mopping the indoor park daily, stay away.

I personally use whatever 95a wheels I can find if I’m riding an indoor park or other slippery parks. OJs 95a wheels are good (haven’t tried the nomads yet but I’ve been meaning to). Speedlab and Rainskates have some decent 95a offerings too, but they’re on the bigger side.
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Sounds exactly like a number of people I know and skate with.

Some love their SPF on the vert ramp for how fast and slick they are, but I have seen them totally eat it on some occasions because of those wheels.

Many of the other guys swear by the bigger (and often wider) 95 duro wheels for their boards.


Also, I am not sure if it is the different urethane mix, but the older 97 and 95 formulas in OJ and Slimeballs (usually in the bigger wheel sizes) were so much better than wheels like the Nomads on slippery stuff.

Nomads worked well on bitumen / asphalt roads, rough or raw old concrete but slipped out a lot on wood and skatelite.

I do have one set of newer smaller Slimeballs which don't slip out as much and they are 97 duro, compared to the Nomads which are 95 duro.


The formula of a wheel is almost more important than the given durometer in some cases.

What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fur lined sea on October 07, 2022, 08:15:44 PM
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Everybody knows the only wheels worth using are formula 4 spitfires. Dont even bother with anything else.
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Welp, it's decided, let's wrap it up folks, I guess there's no reason to post in this 8 year old, 193 page thread anymore

This thread was made to discuss any wheel other than Spitfire or Bones, but here we are...



Been on Loopholes for a while now but I've got the itch to try these:

https://www.theoriesofatlantis.com/products/dial-tone-wheel-co-del-negro-yada-yada-flat-cut-99a 

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1798/2671/products/DIALTONE_DEL_NEGRO_YADA_YADA_WHEEL_STACK_720x.jpg?v=1663617196)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 08, 2022, 08:09:45 AM


Good to know about the nomads, I might pass on them now. I love the OJ II combo 95a 60mm. They’re fast and grippy, but they’re also super wide which I’m not always in the mood for. I saw there’s some new 57mm 95a OJ team riders, I’ll definitely grab a set of those if my local shop gets any.

There’s one park I frequently skate that’s covered in several layers of graffiti, so it’s very slippery. I always have a set of 95a wheels that I’ll put on just to skate there. 95a is the perfect balance of grip and speed when it comes to slippery parks, but you are also very correct that formula/brand matters just as much if not more than advertised durometer.



I was keen to get a few sets of the 56 or 58mm 95 duro Natas wheels.  Ended up being very popular and I can't keep a set on any board that people like to try, as they are so keen to buy them right there and then, so yes they are a good wheel for the more normal rider in that category.

Still hadn't actually skated them more than a quick roll around on everything (and they worked well) but the guys who bought them still like them, so that is what I am basing the positive answer on for those ones.








What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?


Some people love them on everything.  Others find them too slippery on many surfaces.  It is just down to what you prefer and how you like your wheels to slide or stick.


The B range is said to be 20 points lower than the A range, so if a wheel is 81B, just add 20 so it would be 101A, but as there is no true A rating over 100, that whole thing kind of goes out the window for durometer.

81B = 101A
84B = 104A

Any wheel over 95 to 97A and certainly over 99A is going to be quite slick on slippery type surfaces, but those with good balance and don't push too hard into things love them for how fast they roll and how much they can easily revert tricks that anyone else might be slipping out on constantly.

Most pro vert guys are very accomplished skaters, so they have no problem skating those sorts of wheels on anything, but the more average skater who rides them could very easily be on the end of a slip and slide more often than not, if they are not so well balanced, be it a stick thin kid or a solid man beast. 

Seen pretty much all of the categories of skaters with concussions, whiplash or broken bones from riding "normal wheels" including Spitfire Formula Four, Bones SPF, OJs, Pig and many others on slick vert and other ramps at the old indoor park when they slipped out on that ramp surface.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 08, 2022, 09:55:02 AM
anyone know anything about the 'reformulated' spitfire 80HDs?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 08, 2022, 08:29:25 PM
What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?

They’re made to haul ass in smooth concrete parks. The “softer” SPF are still 81b which is roughly a 101a, so they’re not soft at all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 08, 2022, 08:46:19 PM
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What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?
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They’re made to haul ass in smooth concrete parks. The “softer” SPF are still 81b which is roughly a 101a, so they’re not soft at all.

They are absolutely excellent wheels for the new, smooth fresh skatepark concrete. I always say that if I lived in SoCal and had a sea of glass smooth skateparks everywhere, I’d probably skate these exclusively. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Whicker on October 08, 2022, 09:45:43 PM
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 08, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?

Both will be almost equally great for transit... but Dragons are a bit faster, and are easier to powerslide.

Once you get to the park, people on here will debate which one is better. I personally say Dragons hands down, but people on here say they grind better with F4 97a. People also say F4 97a feels harder, but honestly to me Dragons feel harder in how they perform so I dunno.

One thing I will say is I think they have two seperate shapes for the 54mm Dragons, so make sure you're getting the one you want. Ones a wider radial wheel, and ones a thinner classic shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on October 09, 2022, 02:04:01 AM
Dragons way better for transit imo. If you sit on a lot of grinds on park stuff then maybe 97as, but if not and you need to ride over shit pavement a lot then do dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 09, 2022, 07:02:45 PM
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?

Same situation as you, rough ride from the bus stop to the park, park is pretty smooth.

Dragons get my vote, I rode the 95a prototypes and they made the push from bus stop to park very pleasant.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Whicker on October 09, 2022, 07:19:50 PM
Thank you all for the feedback, I'll try to find some dragons in stock in Canada, might get the spitfire 97a if I can't find them right away.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 09, 2022, 07:20:48 PM
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Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
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Same situation as you, rough ride from the bus stop to the park, park is pretty smooth.

Dragons get my vote, I rode the 95a prototypes and they made the push from bus stop to park very pleasant.

I say get the 56mm dragons because they have a wider contact patch than the 54mm. More comparable to the conical full wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gmld on October 09, 2022, 07:57:39 PM
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
Im skating the f4 97duro, Classic shape 56mm (now 55-54) and i really like them. You can feel them Just a little softer than a F4 99 and you can still slide and powerslide really good. Very fast on the street too. You'll be able to powerslide everywhere, from marble to concrete to street.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrankRizzo on October 09, 2022, 08:31:12 PM
I like how the SPF 84b chirps while cornering at high speed. I can hear the wheel scrubbing and know I am at the edge of the wheels grip.
I personally feel SPF 84b is harder to break into a slide than F4 99a. Once SPF breaks into a slide the grip goes to ice very fast. I think F4 breaks out easier on smooth concrete but the formula has more grip while sliding offering more control.

As an afterthought when SPF regains grip from a slide it is just as nasty of a transition.
I got chucked off my board last week because of the above. Hip bone smashed my glute into concrete and sent me into shock w/cold sweats and all that funness. Turned out to be a walk it off injury.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 09, 2022, 09:14:22 PM
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Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
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Same situation as you, rough ride from the bus stop to the park, park is pretty smooth.

Dragons get my vote, I rode the 95a prototypes and they made the push from bus stop to park very pleasant.
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I say get the 56mm dragons because they have a wider contact patch than the 54mm. More comparable to the conical full wheels.

I was riding the 54mm V1 (their take on the Classic shape) and they delivered even with the skinnier profile. PP really delivered a great product, riding every other wheel brand (besides F4) over rough ground is akin to torture.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 09, 2022, 11:33:19 PM
I like how the SPF 84b chirps while cornering at high speed. I can hear the wheel scrubbing and know I am at the edge of the wheels grip.
I personally feel SPF 84b is harder to break into a slide than F4 99a. Once SPF breaks into a slide the grip goes to ice very fast. I think F4 breaks out easier on smooth concrete but the formula has more grip while sliding offering more control.

As an afterthought when SPF regains grip from a slide it is just as nasty of a transition.
I got chucked off my board last week because of the above. Hip bone smashed my glute into concrete and sent me into shock w/cold sweats and all that funness. Turned out to be a walk it off injury.

I’ve taken some gnarly slams on SPFs for the same reason. The control factor on the F4s has let me ride away from some sketchy situations that I could not have pulled off on SPFs.

Despite my criticisms, I still think SPFs are really great wheels. They’re just intended for a single specific purpose. That’s another reason why I prefer F4, they’re good enough in pretty much any situation.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 09, 2022, 11:48:09 PM
All this SPF talk is wild to me, since I just assumed that was the whole point of those things.

That being said, I wonder how the 93a Dragons work on slippery ramps, because I've had great luck with them on slick blacktop. Stuff that even F4 97a would slip out on.

However, that might not mean shit on slick ramps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Diklap on October 10, 2022, 04:26:05 AM
Anyone know what's up with those 95a Bones? Think those would be brilliant
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on October 10, 2022, 05:50:02 AM
final post (for now) about pig wheels, if anyone's interested

i've worn through the tread on them, and they powerslide worse now, but i got used to that. it's challenging to do a long powerslide on them on gritty asphalt, they worked better in that aspect before the tread wore down. they also drag on unwaxed ledges more than f4s but not that much. i haven't got any flatspots on them so far, and i've done a ton of different slides. they feel slower in the streets than f4s, i put a new set of skf bearings in them to compensate but in the skatepark they work great. i wouldn't recommend them if you skate street a lot (unless your street spots are smooth concrete/marble/granite), but they're not bad wheels, they're just worse than f4s but to be fair everything is.

i might post something more about them when i switch back to f4s, so november/december
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on October 10, 2022, 06:35:46 AM
All this SPF talk is wild to me, since I just assumed that was the whole point of those things.

That being said, I wonder how the 93a Dragons work on slippery ramps, because I've had great luck with them on slick blacktop. Stuff that even F4 97a would slip out on.

However, that might not mean shit on slick ramps.

I bought mine specifically for a dusty wooden indoor park. They feel slower than harder wheels, but definitely offer much more grip (while still sliding when I need them to). I much rather push a little more than wipe out all the time, so it's a no brainer for me. Things might be different if you're more of a bowl/transition guy, though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on October 10, 2022, 07:39:42 AM
I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 10, 2022, 10:38:45 AM
I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.

Interesting, thanks!

What's the difference between the two SPF duros? Is it a noticeable the difference between them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 10, 2022, 10:49:51 AM
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I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.
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Interesting, thanks!

What's the difference between the two SPF duros? Is it a noticeable the difference between them?

There’s not much of a difference between the 84b and 81b. It’s rock hard vs very hard
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on October 10, 2022, 11:03:30 AM
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I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.
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Interesting, thanks!

What's the difference between the two SPF duros? Is it a noticeable the difference between them?

I have never used the softer SPFs and only use the 84b / 104 ones.   I should try the 81b/101s. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 10, 2022, 11:10:44 AM
I've only ever skated the 84b, they can be very, very glassy at speed, be careful.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: huggernaut on October 10, 2022, 11:16:20 AM
Are zero’s wheels total trash?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 10, 2022, 05:38:56 PM
Are zero’s wheels total trash?


I don't know about the current versions, but a while back, a couple of sets came through my hands, used but not abused, so still a good shape, not worn down too much or flatspotted and they worked great.

Quite a few generic wheels from completes or cheaply produced with whatever brand name on them are, as you say, total trash - best left on the beginner completes they came on.

I guess that depends on whether they are on the cheaper completes, or from somewhere that actually makes good wheels.  It can be hard to tell sometimes as I have seen some places take apart completes and sell parts separately, when someone buying a board wants an instant upgrade, but if they are from Zero or a reputable shop, they should still be good if they are asking a higher price for them too.

If Jamie Thomas doesn't have a wheel sponsor, he would definitely be making sure he has his own brand Zero wheels to keep him rolling nicely, but I haven't really looked into any of that either.


https://zeroskateboards.com/collections/wheels


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Plan9Customs on October 15, 2022, 05:16:33 PM
@Mbrimson88 just wanted to say thanks for posting your wheel rehab with the grinder. Got me wondering if I could use my bushing shaping fixture with wheels.

(https://i.postimg.cc/23NZPFVW/ABB080-C6-CD69-4-A4-F-8261-A94-D1-E59-C8-FE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fwcvvdk)

Works well. I just need to make a sanding block with the radius I want so they’ll be consistent. I’ll toss finished pics up when I get it dialed in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on October 15, 2022, 05:27:33 PM
@Mbrimson88 just wanted to say thanks for posting your wheel rehab with the grinder. Got me wondering if I could use my bushing shaping fixture with wheels.

(https://i.postimg.cc/23NZPFVW/ABB080-C6-CD69-4-A4-F-8261-A94-D1-E59-C8-FE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fwcvvdk)

Works well. I just need to make a sanding block with the radius I want so they’ll be consistent. I’ll toss finished pics up when I get it dialed in.

Yo post the radius block too! I’m afraid I don’t have steady enough hand to try with out some sort of fixture or something to keep them consistent. So basically I’m trying to steal your idea haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Plan9Customs on October 15, 2022, 08:12:00 PM
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@Mbrimson88 just wanted to say thanks for posting your wheel rehab with the grinder. Got me wondering if I could use my bushing shaping fixture with wheels.

(https://i.postimg.cc/23NZPFVW/ABB080-C6-CD69-4-A4-F-8261-A94-D1-E59-C8-FE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fwcvvdk)

Works well. I just need to make a sanding block with the radius I want so they’ll be consistent. I’ll toss finished pics up when I get it dialed in.
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Yo post the radius block too! I’m afraid I don’t have steady enough hand to try with out some sort of fixture or something to keep them consistent. So basically I’m trying to steal your idea haha

Will do when I get around to it. Plan is toss a radius gauge on a good wheel, trace that into a block of wood & cut it out about 1/16” maybe 1/8” lower to accommodate for Velcro and sand paper, chuck the wheel into the drill press, spin and stop once I hit my stop tape line, flip it and repeat. Just go from 40-80-180-320 and don’t rush it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 16, 2022, 03:59:55 PM
@Mbrimson88 just wanted to say thanks for posting your wheel rehab with the grinder. Got me wondering if I could use my bushing shaping fixture with wheels.

Works well. I just need to make a sanding block with the radius I want so they’ll be consistent. I’ll toss finished pics up when I get it dialed in.


So good!!!


Making those from what would be considered "dead" old wheels is fun.

Having the tools to do a high quality finish is even better.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Steely Daniel on October 16, 2022, 04:47:19 PM
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Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
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Im skating the f4 97duro, Classic shape 56mm (now 55-54) and i really like them. You can feel them Just a little softer than a F4 99 and you can still slide and powerslide really good. Very fast on the street too. You'll be able to powerslide everywhere, from marble to concrete to street.

Do they still make these or do you just have to find old stock? I don't see the 97 duro listed in their new catalogue.

I'm going between 56mm dragons and 56mm conical full f4 99a spitfires. I enjoy the general ride of the dragons since the ground is bad everywhere here including the skatepark, but they often stick and pitch me when I'm trying tailsides on concrete transition. The Powell wheels feel nice on my old bones, if a little bouncy, but the spits slid so well it scared the shit outta me. 97a f4 in the same shape and size seems perfect but I couldn't find them anywhere in Canada. Had a hard enough time finding the 99s in the specs I was looking for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 16, 2022, 06:50:49 PM
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Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
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Im skating the f4 97duro, Classic shape 56mm (now 55-54) and i really like them. You can feel them Just a little softer than a F4 99 and you can still slide and powerslide really good. Very fast on the street too. You'll be able to powerslide everywhere, from marble to concrete to street.
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Do they still make these or do you just have to find old stock? I don't see the 97 duro listed in their new catalogue.

I'm going between 56mm dragons and 56mm conical full f4 99a spitfires. I enjoy the general ride of the dragons since the ground is bad everywhere here including the skatepark, but they often stick and pitch me when I'm trying tailsides on concrete transition. The Powell wheels feel nice on my old bones, if a little bouncy, but the spits slid so well it scared the shit outta me. 97a f4 in the same shape and size seems perfect but I couldn't find them anywhere in Canada. Had a hard enough time finding the 99s in the specs I was looking for.


The 97 duro Spitfire Formula Four wheels are definitely still around, but stock might be limited in your local area.

Size and shape might come and go a bit as well, eg the 56 seemed to be dropped in favour of the 54 and 58mm sizes in Conial Full for 97s, but Classic came out in 53, 54 and 56mm.

There are some more on the way too, from what others have said.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 17, 2022, 12:45:26 PM
If anyone stateside wants a gently used pair of the 97a spits let me know (will provide pics) and we'll work something out...willing to trade.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 18, 2022, 12:06:47 AM
Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 18, 2022, 05:31:25 AM
Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.

They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 18, 2022, 07:02:29 AM
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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
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They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.

What if the Dragon / X Formula wheels are Powell's way of fucking with us and they are just rebranded 90a / 95a Mini Logo stuff?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 18, 2022, 07:44:08 AM
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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
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They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.


Yes to that.

The Mini Logo 90 and 95 duro wheels are excellent on slippery surfaces, from the couple of sets I had and tested, with the 90s having a lot more stick and the 95 having a bit more even mix of slip and slide without feeling like I was going to slip right out.

They skate like they are just the cheaper "price point" versions of the same compounds that are used for the more expensive Bones and Powell wheels, only these are mass produced in China, so are without a team, marketing, branding, etc which all add up to higher prices at the retail end.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 19, 2022, 01:29:53 AM
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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
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They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.

Thanks man! They sound like the exact thing I’m looking for  :)

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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
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They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.
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Yes to that.

The Mini Logo 90 and 95 duro wheels are excellent on slippery surfaces, from the couple of sets I had and tested, with the 90s having a lot more stick and the 95 having a bit more even mix of slip and slide without feeling like I was going to slip right out.

They skate like they are just the cheaper "price point" versions of the same compounds that are used for the more expensive Bones and Powell wheels, only these are mass produced in China, so are without a team, marketing, branding, etc which all add up to higher prices at the retail end.

I’ll probably try a set, just going from your recommendations here. I just found out there’s an online shop selling off older stock Bones STF 99a at almost mini logo prices, so might as well get both.

I’ll just have to find out for myself how bad/good they stick to the wood/rails. It’s almost science finding the right balance.
My F4s are breaking in nicely, and getting a bit more grip now, but they can still slip and slide on the plywood. They’re also 57mm and I think they’re making my setup too tall, for the short (6.3”) tail, as I’m getting ghost pop a lot.

It’s really good to have you knowledgable people around for noobs like me. Thanks for taking the time to school me.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: huggernaut on October 19, 2022, 07:31:58 AM
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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
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They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.
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Thanks man! They sound like the exact thing I’m looking for  :)

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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
[close]

They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.
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Yes to that.

The Mini Logo 90 and 95 duro wheels are excellent on slippery surfaces, from the couple of sets I had and tested, with the 90s having a lot more stick and the 95 having a bit more even mix of slip and slide without feeling like I was going to slip right out.

They skate like they are just the cheaper "price point" versions of the same compounds that are used for the more expensive Bones and Powell wheels, only these are mass produced in China, so are without a team, marketing, branding, etc which all add up to higher prices at the retail end.
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I’ll probably try a set, just going from your recommendations here. I just found out there’s an online shop selling off older stock Bones STF 99a at almost mini logo prices, so might as well get both.

I’ll just have to find out for myself how bad/good they stick to the wood/rails. It’s almost science finding the right balance.
My F4s are breaking in nicely, and getting a bit more grip now, but they can still slip and slide on the plywood. They’re also 57mm and I think they’re making my setup too tall, for the short (6.3”) tail, as I’m getting ghost pop a lot.

It’s really good to have you knowledgable people around for noobs like me. Thanks for taking the time to school me.

What shop?   8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 20, 2022, 01:43:06 AM
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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
[close]

They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.
[close]

Thanks man! They sound like the exact thing I’m looking for  :)

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Hey, what is you guys take on the Mini Logo 95a wheels?

For that indoor dusty wood.
I could almost get two sets and change for the price of one set of other brand wheels.

I figure I’d want to try 54mm wheel w/o risers, for a setup that’s 4,5mm lower, and 56mm.
[close]

They're really nice if you want some grip on slippery surfaces. Also great for cruising around, smooth on bad ground.
You can still powerslide a little, but they're generally sticky on pinched grinds.
[close]


Yes to that.

The Mini Logo 90 and 95 duro wheels are excellent on slippery surfaces, from the couple of sets I had and tested, with the 90s having a lot more stick and the 95 having a bit more even mix of slip and slide without feeling like I was going to slip right out.

They skate like they are just the cheaper "price point" versions of the same compounds that are used for the more expensive Bones and Powell wheels, only these are mass produced in China, so are without a team, marketing, branding, etc which all add up to higher prices at the retail end.
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I’ll probably try a set, just going from your recommendations here. I just found out there’s an online shop selling off older stock Bones STF 99a at almost mini logo prices, so might as well get both.

I’ll just have to find out for myself how bad/good they stick to the wood/rails. It’s almost science finding the right balance.
My F4s are breaking in nicely, and getting a bit more grip now, but they can still slip and slide on the plywood. They’re also 57mm and I think they’re making my setup too tall, for the short (6.3”) tail, as I’m getting ghost pop a lot.

It’s really good to have you knowledgable people around for noobs like me. Thanks for taking the time to school me.
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What shop?   8)
I’m almost afraid to tell you, cause 1) I’ll get accused of being affiliated with them or working there. Even though I can assure you I don’t. Not even same country. 2) you’ll buy all the wheels I want.

It’s Titus. In Germany. They have 40% on a lot of wheels and boards. Probably also clothes and shoes, but I’m not terribly interested in that stuff.

(https://i.ibb.co/9g5FZhH/A9-DF4-F5-A-17-AE-412-B-82-E2-2-E1-CBB4-FEE0-A.png) (https://ibb.co/9g5FZhH)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DillsDarts on October 20, 2022, 07:09:07 AM
Just curious what the difference is between the spitfire classics & the big heads? From the little I can find online, they look like a classic with only a wider riding surface?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on October 20, 2022, 10:32:47 AM
^ yes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 20, 2022, 11:14:54 AM
Classics come in F4 Bigheads don't
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2022, 06:51:44 PM
^^ Yes and yes.


Just curious what the difference is between the spitfire classics & the big heads? From the little I can find online, they look like a classic with only a wider riding surface?


As the others said, initially the Big Head shape was a wider profile round wheel and almost every graphic came in that shape for a minute back in the mid 00s it seemed as I had a lot of them, from 54mm through 56, 57 and 58mm more commonly and some 59 and 61mm sizes too.  Even the Classic blue swirl 56mm wheels seemed about that wide, but now all of those have slimmed down a bit, when comparing new stock to the old OG formula Spitfire wheels from that period.

In the newer Formula Four wheels, the Classic Full shape is the same as the Big Head shape, which were readily available a while back, but seem like they are pretty scarce again right now.

I really like the wider wheel, wider contact patch but still with rounder sides, so these have appealed to me for a long time.

Wearing down normal Classic wheels a couple of mm gives about the same shape as Classic Full / Big Head shape too, eg Classic 55mm worn down to 54mm are about the same as the 54mm Classic Full / Big Head wheels.


Spitfire Wheel size and shapes in this post in the Spitfire thread pretty much have it all covered for you to look at:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3759408#msg3759408


Basic pic here:


(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthulhu! on October 20, 2022, 06:58:02 PM
I decided to spoil myself. I grabbed a set of 99a OJ Elites. Their "Hardline" shape, which is just a slightly wide, conical cut. I drove out to a beautiful concrete park and they were great. Grippier than 99a F4s in my opinion, which is what I was looking for. That kind of chalky, bleached white feeling got to me.

I think this is love. At least, love in a smooth park setting. I am breaking up with Bones SPFs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 20, 2022, 11:00:15 PM
I decided to spoil myself. I grabbed a set of 99a OJ Elites. Their "Hardline" shape, which is just a slightly wide, conical cut. I drove out to a beautiful concrete park and they were great. Grippier than 99a F4s in my opinion, which is what I was looking for. That kind of chalky, bleached white feeling got to me.

I think this is love. At least, love in a smooth park setting. I am breaking up with Bones SPFs.
I’ve been wondering about them. They sound wonderful. What size did you get for what truck/riser combo?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 23, 2022, 01:42:45 AM
Thinking of getting a harder wheel for my cruiser setup. Is there noticable differences between Spits CF and Slimeballs 97a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 23, 2022, 06:03:40 AM
Thinking of getting a harder wheel for my cruiser setup. Is there noticable differences between Spits CF and Slimeballs 97a?

Spits feel softer/smoother and slide better at the same time.
Slimeballs 97a are kinda bad in my opinion, they feel hard like a 99a but don't slide well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: eviltgirl on October 23, 2022, 07:14:01 AM
Thinking of getting a harder wheel for my cruiser setup. Is there noticable differences between Spits CF and Slimeballs 97a?

The slimeball 97s are pretty shitty imo, they somehow feel harder, AND roll slower than a f4 99a.  I'd recommend the 97 spitfires theyre pretty legit I have them in the 58mm CF for crustier spots and pushing around.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 23, 2022, 10:02:11 AM
Thinking of getting a harder wheel for my cruiser setup. Is there noticable differences between Spits CF and Slimeballs 97a?

Are you just cruising on it or are you planning on doing tricks too? What wheels are you currently riding on it?

Slimeballs feel unresponsive and take a lot of effort to get speed at the skatepark. They’re pretty grippy, but you can still slide them with some extra effort. Like others have said, they feel like a 99a wheel so they might not be the best choice if you’re cruising on crusty stuff.

I’ve only ridden the 97a Spitfires on friends boards at the park. They also feel slow in the park, but also feel noticeably softer and more comfortable than slimeballs. I imagine that would translate to a more comfortable ride in the streets. I can’t personally account for how they slide, but the consensus here is that they still slide pretty well.

If you’re just cruising around and not doing tricks, my recommendation would be OJ super juices.

I also met one dude who was a pretty decent street skater that was using the OJ mini super juice (55mm 78a) on his daily driver. He was more into flip tricks than grinds, but he didn’t seem to have any problem flipping his board with the mini juices.
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on October 23, 2022, 03:04:41 PM
This is so last month but…..Dragons…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 23, 2022, 03:42:16 PM
I also met one dude who was a pretty decent street skater that was using the OJ mini super juice (55mm 78a) on his daily driver. He was more into flip tricks than grinds, but he didn’t seem to have any problem flipping his board with the mini juices.

There are some local dudes who skate SOFT wheels. None of them are insane gnar dogs but they’re all good skaters with style and they seem perfectly used to their setups.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Plan9Customs on October 23, 2022, 07:06:08 PM
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@Mbrimson88 just wanted to say thanks for posting your wheel rehab with the grinder. Got me wondering if I could use my bushing shaping fixture with wheels.

(https://i.postimg.cc/23NZPFVW/ABB080-C6-CD69-4-A4-F-8261-A94-D1-E59-C8-FE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8fwcvvdk)

Works well. I just need to make a sanding block with the radius I want so they’ll be consistent. I’ll toss finished pics up when I get it dialed in.
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Yo post the radius block too! I’m afraid I don’t have steady enough hand to try with out some sort of fixture or something to keep them consistent. So basically I’m trying to steal your idea haha
Did a quick mock up before I made it out of steel.
(https://i.postimg.cc/dtV0N0QQ/DAFEAD07-4-E2-B-47-D2-8954-9-D790-B368941.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LhGRn2ZG)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVSTPwn3/FA53-FE1-A-7-D21-4-DDD-A9-B7-6-AF8-F5506-D96.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Cd2D5B7Y)
Just drilled the block out to 7/8”, cut a piece of 7/8” .065(1/16” wall) tubing to the radius of the Spitfire classic shape, epoxied it to the block, stuck some Velcro onto that(I use Velcro sandpaper at work, that’s what I have), carriage bolt with a truck top washer on the top of the wheel, 2 nuts(one to tighten and the other for a lock nut) chuck it into a drill press and spin them down. It actually works really good so I’m going to steel for a permanent one.
Just make sure you measure how wide you want your riding surface to be and mark it out with some masking tape so you know when to stop on each side.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 24, 2022, 01:25:28 AM
Thanks for all the responses on my question. I have a set of mini juices  from last summer so maybe I'll just stick to them fro now. I actually like them alot but was looking for a harder wheel for change  I'll probably check out the 97 spits or dragons when they're on discount.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 24, 2022, 08:57:17 AM
Mini juice come in an 87a now also.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IrritableBowel2 on October 24, 2022, 09:51:30 AM
Has anyone experienced a wobbly Dragon wheel? I have one that no matter how many times I unseat the bearings, or even swap out seems to have a wobbly roll and it feels sorta weird like my truck is loose, but it's not.  :o
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: eviltgirl on October 24, 2022, 11:10:21 AM
Has anyone experienced a wobbly Dragon wheel? I have one that no matter how many times I unseat the bearings, or even swap out seems to have a wobbly roll and it feels sorta weird like my truck is loose, but it's not.  :o

Yeah my friend got a set like that, just sent a video to skateone's warranty dept and they sent him a new set.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IrritableBowel2 on October 24, 2022, 01:13:43 PM
Just like your friend, I emailed Skateone and they're sending a new set  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on October 24, 2022, 01:33:00 PM
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Currently riding a set of 101a Rictas. Was riding 99 F4s before.

Curious how Bones 103a STF, Spitfire 101a and OJ Elite 101 compare now.
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101 Ricta are hard to beat once you adjust to the slide. Everything else will feel soft but Elites but Elites will be too grippy, bones will be too glassy, and spit will feel a bit slower, in my experience (after riding ricta).

They wear down pretty fast but no flats spots or complaints.

You're right about the Rictas wearing down quickly. They are definitely hard as hell- makes your board sound good IMO.

After riding 99 F4s again for awhile though, the slide is nowhere near as good. I haven't ridden 101 F4s yet. I hope to next summer, but I've got 54 Classic Fulls and 53 Radials in 99 for the winter to ride through first.

Good (cheap) experiment, but I don't think F4s can be beat.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Steely Daniel on October 24, 2022, 03:05:36 PM
Has anyone experienced a wobbly Dragon wheel? I have one that no matter how many times I unseat the bearings, or even swap out seems to have a wobbly roll and it feels sorta weird like my truck is loose, but it's not.  :o

I'm not sure if mine are wobbly since I been on the spits for a while again but I noticed they barely hold the bearings in. You can plop them in with your fingers with no force and they don't feel secure. Partly why I haven't put my Swiss in the dragons yet as I'm worried it might damage them somehow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on October 25, 2022, 09:14:41 AM
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Has anyone experienced a wobbly Dragon wheel? I have one that no matter how many times I unseat the bearings, or even swap out seems to have a wobbly roll and it feels sorta weird like my truck is loose, but it's not.  :o
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I'm not sure if mine are wobbly since I been on the spits for a while again but I noticed they barely hold the bearings in. You can plop them in with your fingers with no force and they don't feel secure. Partly why I haven't put my Swiss in the dragons yet as I'm worried it might damage them somehow.

were these 52mm?  I noticed the bearing slipping issue that was binding my wheels.  a friend with 54mm is not having the same issue
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 25, 2022, 11:11:37 AM
Mini juice come in an 87a now also.

I didn't believe it when I read this first, but they actually do! Sadly my country does only have 78a which I have too. 87's would be dreamy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IrritableBowel2 on October 25, 2022, 11:42:41 AM
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Has anyone experienced a wobbly Dragon wheel? I have one that no matter how many times I unseat the bearings, or even swap out seems to have a wobbly roll and it feels sorta weird like my truck is loose, but it's not.  :o
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I'm not sure if mine are wobbly since I been on the spits for a while again but I noticed they barely hold the bearings in. You can plop them in with your fingers with no force and they don't feel secure. Partly why I haven't put my Swiss in the dragons yet as I'm worried it might damage them somehow.
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were these 52mm?  I noticed the bearing slipping issue that was binding my wheels.  a friend with 54mm is not having the same issue

Mine were 54 V1 shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mall Grab Mike on October 25, 2022, 03:46:56 PM
Anyone try those new OJs double durometer prototypes? They said 101 outer and 95a core. It's been done before but interested in how these ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on October 25, 2022, 04:11:31 PM
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Mini juice come in an 87a now also.
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I didn't believe it when I read this first, but they actually do! Sadly my country does only have 78a which I have too. 87's would be dreamy.

where did you see them ? i would like to see them in real life because until not i will consider miswriting, i havent read oj talk about that on their social. same urethane than keyframes ?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Steely Daniel on October 25, 2022, 05:08:58 PM
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Has anyone experienced a wobbly Dragon wheel? I have one that no matter how many times I unseat the bearings, or even swap out seems to have a wobbly roll and it feels sorta weird like my truck is loose, but it's not.  :o
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I'm not sure if mine are wobbly since I been on the spits for a while again but I noticed they barely hold the bearings in. You can plop them in with your fingers with no force and they don't feel secure. Partly why I haven't put my Swiss in the dragons yet as I'm worried it might damage them somehow.
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were these 52mm?  I noticed the bearing slipping issue that was binding my wheels.  a friend with 54mm is not having the same issue

No they're 56 mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 25, 2022, 11:12:58 PM
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Mini juice come in an 87a now also.
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I didn't believe it when I read this first, but they actually do! Sadly my country does only have 78a which I have too. 87's would be dreamy.
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where did you see them ? i would like to see them in real life because until not i will consider miswriting, i havent read oj talk about that on their social. same urethane than keyframes ?

OJ Wheels site says that the Super Juice minis now come in 87a too. I don't know how recent they're but they must be since I've never seen them before. Would definitely get them rn if they were available.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on October 26, 2022, 12:22:12 AM

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl22-d2-radial-full-05.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: huggernaut on October 26, 2022, 08:38:36 AM

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl22-d2-radial-full-05.jpg)

And yet “2 duros, 7 shapes” still listed on the f4 info page. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: eviltgirl on October 26, 2022, 09:19:40 AM

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl22-d2-radial-full-05.jpg)

Ultimate off road wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on October 26, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
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Mini juice come in an 87a now also.
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I didn't believe it when I read this first, but they actually do! Sadly my country does only have 78a which I have too. 87's would be dreamy.
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where did you see them ? i would like to see them in real life because until not i will consider miswriting, i havent read oj talk about that on their social. same urethane than keyframes ?

mini (55mm) and super (60mm) all over the place.

 https://socalskateshop.com/OJ-Super-Juice-Mini-Skateboard-Wheels-Orange-Yellow-55mm-87a.html (https://socalskateshop.com/OJ-Super-Juice-Mini-Skateboard-Wheels-Orange-Yellow-55mm-87a.html)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 26, 2022, 10:04:22 AM
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(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl22-d2-radial-full-05.jpg)
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Ultimate off road wheel

Cries in lack of 99a Radial Slims
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: richard00800 on October 26, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
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(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl22-d2-radial-full-05.jpg)
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Ultimate off road wheel
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Cries in lack of 99a Radial Slims


Cries in lack of 101a Radial Slims 51mm

I just go a set of 51mm  101a  Radial slims from local shop, the last set since 2021. They are so great, I don't know why they keeps bringing out chunky  wheels. Radials Conical fulls etc..
(https://i.ibb.co/J77Zf2b/PXL-20221012-095526122.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J77Zf2b)
(https://i.ibb.co/nL3VTxX/PXL-20221012-095653856-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nL3VTxX)

The best shape 51mm to 51g ha!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on October 31, 2022, 03:00:58 PM
Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4? 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 31, 2022, 03:04:07 PM
Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?

NFG MFG

https://www.nfgmfg.com/designs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 31, 2022, 03:11:51 PM
Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?

You could check out OJ Elite EZ Edge and let us know how they fare.
I think a every brand has a “classic” shaped wheel. Bones has the V1 shape, that comes the closest.
What have you had in the past?

I’m OJ-curious myself. Everyone rides Spit or Bones where I live. Only seen one set of OJs in the wild.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on October 31, 2022, 03:27:52 PM
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Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?
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You could check out OJ Elite EZ Edge and let us know how they fare.
I think a every brand has a “classic” shaped wheel. Bones has the V1 shape, that comes the closest.
What have you had in the past?

I’m OJ-curious myself. Everyone rides Spit or Bones where I live. Only seen one set of OJs in the wild.

I’ve skated pretty much all of the main Spitfire shapes over the past couple years.  I was skating wider wheels for a while so I’ve also skated a couple sets of Loopholes as well (the v-shape).  Haven’t skated classics in years and I’ve found that I like them better for most things.  Haven’t explored other classics shape options.  I know Loophole has them as well but haven’t tried them.  My main concern is avoiding wheels that don’t slide well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on October 31, 2022, 03:29:46 PM
Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?


I'm currently on some SML and have liked them in the past too. Hard, slide good and no flatspots. Never tried the their "classic" style shape and heard it's a different formula but I'm not 100 percent sure. Either way, a good non-spitfire brand to check out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on October 31, 2022, 03:35:15 PM
Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?

I've been where you are and... no.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on October 31, 2022, 03:44:47 PM
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Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?
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I've been where you are and... no.

Haha that’s the answer I know in my heart and am afraid of finding out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 31, 2022, 03:47:46 PM
Unless your terrain really would suck with a 99a chances are you will like them a lot. Using grades they might be an A- or an A, but finding your A+ might take a lot of time and headache.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on November 01, 2022, 04:37:41 AM
I'm currently on some SML and have liked them in the past too. Hard, slide good and no flatspots. Never tried the their "classic" style shape and heard it's a different formula but I'm not 100 percent sure. Either way, a good non-spitfire brand to check out.
I’m on SML AG atm, tried the OG formula but didn’t like them because I couldn’t get them to slide. The AG formula feels something like a little better spitfire classic for me. I’ve only ridden the OG wide shape, I’m not a fan of conical wheels. I had f4s before SML and was surprised that I actually started liking the SML’s a lot, usually after f4s other wheels just feel bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 01, 2022, 07:37:34 AM
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Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?
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NFG MFG

https://www.nfgmfg.com/designs
yes, loopholes!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on November 05, 2022, 05:18:24 PM
What's the word on Wayward? Are they generic Creative Urethane?

Looking at the 101a round shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 05, 2022, 07:42:04 PM
What's the word on Wayward? Are they generic Creative Urethane?

Looking at the 101a round shape.


Not sure how old they are but a couple of sets I have appear to be two different urethanes, one way more like SML and other similar wheels that go a bit yellow from initially being more milky coloured but hold up well and a touch more sticky than other brands, with the other sort way more white and having flatspot proof on the branding but definitely have a small flatspot on top of feeling super hard and slick on the same surfaces.

I don't really look much into them, but it seems like a lot of their wheels have been on significant sales for a while now, like shops overstocked on them and can't sell them, some places even giving them away for free with board purchases.


The sets I have are more of a medium width conical shape in 53 and 54mm which said 101 on the packaging for the same graphics and apart from the very small flatspot in the more white looking set, they both still skate fine on rough bitumen and raw concrete.  They felt too slick on the wooden ramps, as well as the flatspot really sounding annoying, which is why I skated them more on surfaces I don't feel or hear the flatspot.


Edit:

I had a look back over those boards and I think compared to most other wheels I have tried (not including Spitfire or Bones) they could be up there with the "best of the rest" in wheels.

If they are on sale where you are, just like they are here, they should be pretty good for the cheaper price for a decent value wheel.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 06, 2022, 07:22:28 AM
I searched the Quasi Wheels thread and couldn’t find the info I’m looking for. Anyone who has ridden these: Did they feel much different than the other more standard offerings from Creative? I tried some Satori 101A but they still seemed almost too grippy. I’m wondering how close to a higher grade urethane do they preform?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: KinkyRailsRailed4u on November 06, 2022, 08:05:24 AM
These just got dropped officially. Does anyone know if they differ from the preproduction version?

https://bones.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on November 06, 2022, 08:59:17 AM
Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?

I've never tried the F4's but from what I know our Sml. OG formula is made by Aend (made the old Darkstar duel duro's before they became a board brand) they're really high quality. As other's have said it's has a little harder feel and high rebound so you gotta push them slides a bit but they don't flatspot. It's my favorite wheel as I've always been a blunt slider for many years and I love the sound and feel of them..it gives a nice screech.

 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on November 10, 2022, 07:05:53 AM
finally got to try dragon wheels and they noseslide very good. much better than OJs, maybe just a tiny bit slower than F4s. the way they slide though feels so much smoother and more consistent even than f4. i feel like if you hit a dry patch then f4 get very jerky, where dragons just slow down nicely. i still think i prefer the way that f4 feels for doing long slides / slaps or just ledge skating in general if the surface is nicely waxed. it seems like they are more slick and faster. but dragon is really nice all around wheel.  i did not think to test how sharp i could turn on a manual / cut in to something but i think it would be better than the f4. so i will replace my OJ's with dragons next chance i get.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on November 13, 2022, 10:44:14 AM
Anyone have these yet? They had them on skate one but sold out.  Waiting to see a review

(https://i.ibb.co/DL10kWW/3-E6469-CA-E460-4-AB3-B394-66-D63-BC3-BFC2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DL10kWW)

Have they put them up for sale yet?  I have checked every few days and have only seen "Coming Soon"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 13, 2022, 11:01:12 AM
Anyone have these yet? They had them on skate one but sold out.  Waiting to see a review

(https://i.ibb.co/DL10kWW/3-E6469-CA-E460-4-AB3-B394-66-D63-BC3-BFC2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DL10kWW)

I got set from my shop few months ago posted a bunch of thoughts many pages back.

They're basically a harder feeling dragon which is cool, but still drag and stick on grinds on metal and other stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 13, 2022, 12:34:25 PM
I've been too lazy to sell mine- I've got the 52's if anyone wants them. They were actually worse for me than Dragons it seems.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 13, 2022, 02:28:26 PM
for anyone that has the experience, how do spitfire 101s feel compared to loophole/nfg? i've always stuck to the 99s when i buy spitfire, but those lil smokies have been tempting lately
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: schralp pal on November 13, 2022, 02:49:05 PM
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Is there a better, or at least comparable, version of a F4 99a Spitfire classic out there made by other manufacturers?  I’ve been skating the same set of 55 mm Spitfire classics for a while now and I’m hitting the natural urge to switch it up to try something new, but similar.  Any other brands out there that are making that shape come close to the performance of a 99a F4?
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I've never tried the F4's but from what I know our Sml. OG formula is made by Aend (made the old Darkstar duel duro's before they became a board brand) they're really high quality. As other's have said it's has a little harder feel and high rebound so you gotta push them slides a bit but they don't flatspot. It's my favorite wheel as I've always been a blunt slider for many years and I love the sound and feel of them..it gives a nice screech.

I get you have all the wheels you want but surprised you’ve never tried f4s.

Anyway hope sml is doing good and tell us where Knox is going   ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bo Turners Masonic Fish on November 14, 2022, 03:10:17 PM
for anyone that has the experience, how do spitfire 101s feel compared to loophole/nfg? i've always stuck to the 99s when i buy spitfire, but those lil smokies have been tempting lately

The NFGs feel way smoother and more forgiving. Less rattly. I mostly skate rougher spots and some DIY, so that might play a role in how I feel but with F4 I gotta go 99 or 97.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 14, 2022, 03:43:17 PM
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for anyone that has the experience, how do spitfire 101s feel compared to loophole/nfg? i've always stuck to the 99s when i buy spitfire, but those lil smokies have been tempting lately
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The NFGs feel way smoother and more forgiving. Less rattly. I mostly skate rougher spots and some DIY, so that might play a role in how I feel but with F4 I gotta go 99 or 97.

perfect answer, thanks!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 15, 2022, 09:56:26 AM
I've been too lazy to sell mine- I've got the 52's if anyone wants them. They were actually worse for me than Dragons it seems.

I'll take'em if no one bit yet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on November 18, 2022, 07:44:01 AM
Powell just released Dragons in big ass sizes and shapes outta nowhere. 60mm Ratbones, 64mm G-Bones, and 58mm (V5 I think?).

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-rat-bones-skateboard-wheels-60mm-x-44mm-93a-4pk

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-g-bones-skateboard-wheels-64mm-x-42mm-93a-4pk

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-rat-bones-ii-skateboard-wheels-58mm-x-33mm-93a-4pk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on November 18, 2022, 08:20:41 AM
Powell just released Dragons in big ass sizes and shapes outta nowhere. 60mm Ratbones, 64mm G-Bones, and 58mm (V5 I think?).

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-rat-bones-skateboard-wheels-60mm-x-44mm-93a-4pk

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-g-bones-skateboard-wheels-64mm-x-42mm-93a-4pk

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-rat-bones-ii-skateboard-wheels-58mm-x-33mm-93a-4pk

Interesting.

The art on the second one actually looks cool. That should be the default on all of them.

Yeah I think you're right about the third one being a 58mm V5 (don't think they've made that size/shape before?).

Still going to be sticking to 56mm V6 from now until eternity. Hopefully they give it some new graphics next batch though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on November 18, 2022, 08:59:02 AM
Yeah I think you're right about the third one being a 58mm V5 (don't think they've made that size/shape before?).

It is V5.   They have made them in limited batches since at least '19.   

https://bones.com/bones-wheels-pro-stf-skateboard-wheels-bones-big-rigs-58mm-v5-sidecut-99a-4pk
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on November 18, 2022, 10:30:19 AM
This what I was hoping for out of Powell. I've been riding the 56mm V6 dragons and they're great. Definitely gonna throw those 60mm rat bones on my cruiser board.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 18, 2022, 01:50:36 PM
Powell just released Dragons in big ass sizes and shapes outta nowhere. 60mm Ratbones, 64mm G-Bones, and 58mm (V5 I think?).


https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-rat-bones-skateboard-wheels-60mm-x-44mm-93a-4pk


(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/700x700/method/padding/v/e597/WSBADGNF604493A4.jpg)



https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-g-bones-skateboard-wheels-64mm-x-42mm-93a-4pk


(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/700x700/method/padding/v/b682/WSBADGNF644293A4.jpg)



Hot damn!!!

Those first ones certainly appeal to my old board senses, Rat Bones and Mini Cubic styles of wheels, and the G Bones would definitely be good for those guys who want even more grip than the current 97 duro on the normal G Bones.

I had to add the images in there, as they are too nice to not have something to look at as well.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 18, 2022, 04:48:43 PM
wow. dragons didnt pique my interest too much but im all over these big ones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Badandoldskater on November 18, 2022, 06:49:30 PM
Yeah I’m gonna get the 64mm for the 9.5 heroin.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2022, 12:21:27 AM
wow. dragons didnt pique my interest too much but im all over these big ones


For sure!

I think a slightly more versatile Rat Bones wheel would be really good, so yeah I would still have them on my big cruiser, as per a couple of sets on boards I have right now, but they can also be skated a bit more normally in a park or on a slippery half pipe or something too.

Anything in that size goes well for that sort of thing, on the boards I have them on.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on November 19, 2022, 01:15:11 AM
Putting on some 25 year old 52mm  Spitfires for a crusty session today, my lil Smokies are too small. What do you think, did the formula change since 1997 or will there have been some process going on altering them over time?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on November 19, 2022, 08:05:21 AM
Putting on some 25 year old 52mm  Spitfires for a crusty session today, my lil Smokies are too small. What do you think, did the formula change since 1997 or will there have been some process going on altering them over time?

quoting myself but I thought you gear heads might enjoy a few pics of 25 year old wheels. I copped them in 1997 in San Diego, but stopped skating soon after so they are still in good shape. I took them for a ride today and they are fine, just feel like monster truck wheels compared to the lil'Smokies, and are twice as heavy. But the black/yellow swirl goes perfect with the Ishod graphic.

(https://i.imgur.com/MQxUnUO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mprzM8W.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xe92Sct.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on November 19, 2022, 12:40:34 PM
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quoting myself but I thought you gear heads might enjoy a few pics of 25 year old wheels. I copped them in 1997 in San Diego, but stopped skating soon after so they are still in good shape. I took them for a ride today and they are fine, just feel like monster truck wheels compared to the lil'Smokies, and are twice as heavy. But the black/yellow swirl goes perfect with the Ishod graphic.

(https://i.imgur.com/MQxUnUO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mprzM8W.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xe92Sct.jpg)


I'm a sucker for NOS gear and it's cool to see they're still skate able but most importantly.....how do they actually skate?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on November 19, 2022, 02:14:47 PM



I'm a sucker for NOS gear and it's cool to see they're still skate able but most importantly.....how do they actually skate?

I only had one session, on decent surface. They skated well, great for manuals due to the large surface of the wheel. They seem quite hard. Took getting used to but I managed to do my tricks, flips take more effort than the lil Smokies but that‘s because of the weight.

I set them up for a crusty spot but that spot was still wet today so I can‘t tell yet how well they handle crust. I‘ll take them to the slappy curb tomorrow, curious to see how they do.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2022, 03:07:22 PM
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I only had one session, on decent surface. They skated well, great for manuals due to the large surface of the wheel. They seem quite hard. Took getting used to but I managed to do my tricks, flips take more effort than the lil Smokies but that‘s because of the weight.

I set them up for a crusty spot but that spot was still wet today so I can‘t tell yet how well they handle crust. I‘ll take them to the slappy curb tomorrow, curious to see how they do.


The older "very well cured" wheels of many brands, but definitely Spitfire OG formula are great like that.

New ones are so prone to flat spots or other issues, but very old well worn wheels I have are so good.

They would be quite fun on everything, if you can deal with the bigger size, shape, weight, etc.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 21, 2022, 12:44:08 PM
Has anyone tried any of the wheels out of Generator? Curious to hear how they preform.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on November 21, 2022, 12:55:39 PM
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I only had one session, on decent surface. They skated well, great for manuals due to the large surface of the wheel. They seem quite hard. Took getting used to but I managed to do my tricks, flips take more effort than the lil Smokies but that‘s because of the weight.

I set them up for a crusty spot but that spot was still wet today so I can‘t tell yet how well they handle crust. I‘ll take them to the slappy curb tomorrow, curious to see how they do.
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The older "very well cured" wheels of many brands, but definitely Spitfire OG formula are great like that.

New ones are so prone to flat spots or other issues, but very old well worn wheels I have are so good.

They would be quite fun on everything, if you can deal with the bigger size, shape, weight, etc.

I am ashamed to admit that I am struggling quite a bit with them but not because they are old, but they are so big and heavy compared to the 46 - 48 mm wheels I was running for the last year. I hope I will adjust but I feel flip tricks take so much more effort, I actually had sore legs after my daily routine which was not the case on the small wheels. And when I say big I am talking about 52s.  >:(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lepanto on November 21, 2022, 01:17:37 PM
for anyone that has the experience, how do spitfire 101s feel compared to loophole/nfg? i've always stuck to the 99s when i buy spitfire, but those lil smokies have been tempting lately

I got a set of 51 classic 101 on my 8’ deck, get that lil smokies, you wont regret. Exceptional wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 21, 2022, 04:27:37 PM

I am ashamed to admit that I am struggling quite a bit with them but not because they are old, but they are so big and heavy compared to the 46 - 48 mm wheels I was running for the last year. I hope I will adjust but I feel flip tricks take so much more effort, I actually had sore legs after my daily routine which was not the case on the small wheels. And when I say big I am talking about 52s.  >:(


I do feel your pain there.

We all used to skate such big wheels back then, more so in the not so tech realm, which is why I have a few boards that are much the same in everything else, only different wheels, some at about 50mm, others in between but always one up 56+ just more so as my "Go fast board" and it is a beast.

That is where swaps and trades come into it, but if you don't have those options where you are, it is a bit limiting.  Someone I know always wants bigger wheels, so I can swap with them and get the wheels back when they are down a few mm, which to me is perfect - slightly smaller wider profile being what I prefer.

Good luck with them, but maybe swap back for your old ones or source some more.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on November 21, 2022, 10:47:59 PM
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I am ashamed to admit that I am struggling quite a bit with them but not because they are old, but they are so big and heavy compared to the 46 - 48 mm wheels I was running for the last year. I hope I will adjust but I feel flip tricks take so much more effort, I actually had sore legs after my daily routine which was not the case on the small wheels. And when I say big I am talking about 52s.  >:(
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I do feel your pain there.

We all used to skate such big wheels back then, more so in the not so tech realm, which is why I have a few boards that are much the same in everything else, only different wheels, some at about 50mm, others in between but always one up 56+ just more so as my "Go fast board" and it is a beast.

That is where swaps and trades come into it, but if you don't have those options where you are, it is a bit limiting.  Someone I know always wants bigger wheels, so I can swap with them and get the wheels back when they are down a few mm, which to me is perfect - slightly smaller wider profile being what I prefer.

Good luck with them, but maybe swap back for your old ones or source some more.

Cheers, I will give them a few more sessions to see what happens… btw I got a perfect fakie heel on them yesterday. Anyway I have ordered some new 52 Spitfires on sale so when they arrive I will see how they compare to their old siblings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on November 21, 2022, 10:53:55 PM
I was hoping I could try some F4 OG classics on sale but it seems they are out of season right now.

Anyone have any new 56+mm OG they would want to trade for some new 56mm Conical Fulls 99a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on November 22, 2022, 12:51:01 AM
I was hoping I could try some F4 OG classics on sale but it seems they are out of season right now.

Anyone have any new 56+mm OG they would want to trade for some new 56mm Conical Fulls 99a?
the difference is honestly not big enough to be worth swapping

but then again it’s slap
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on November 22, 2022, 06:10:54 AM
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Anyone have any new 56+mm OG they would want to trade for some new 56mm Conical Fulls 99a?
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the difference is honestly not big enough to be worth swapping

but then again it’s slap

You're right but CFs start getting really wide at 56mm. Too much for me. I think OG also have a deeper cut which takes off weight (and looks really sick).

I've got Dragons for crust... So if I'm skating somewhere that can take hard wheels, I might as well have a bit narrower wheel for at least some chance at learning something more tech.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on November 22, 2022, 06:13:29 AM
For those switching wheels often, how do you avoid having to rethread the axles everytime?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 22, 2022, 06:15:57 AM
For those switching wheels often, how do you avoid having to rethread the axles everytime?

Always having the nut flush with the axle ends by using speedrings
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on November 22, 2022, 07:21:45 AM
I was hoping I could try some F4 OG classics on sale but it seems they are out of season right now.

Anyone have any new 56+mm OG they would want to trade for some new 56mm Conical Fulls 99a?

I was recently on the hunt for some F4 OG Classics as well. When I asked a shop if they would be getting more of those wheels I was told “They won’t be making any more of those until spring 2023”.

I have nothing to trade but good luck to ya.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on November 22, 2022, 08:00:41 AM
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Always having the nut flush with the axle ends by using speedrings

This.   I never have threads showing.  I usually do two speedrings on the inside and one on the out on Indy and Thunder.  Ace may need 4 total rings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on November 22, 2022, 08:09:12 AM
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I was hoping I could try some F4 OG classics on sale but it seems they are out of season right now.

Anyone have any new 56+mm OG they would want to trade for some new 56mm Conical Fulls 99a?
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I was recently on the hunt for some F4 OG Classics as well. When I asked a shop if they would be getting more of those wheels I was told “They won’t be making any more of those until spring 2023”.

I have nothing to trade but good luck to ya.

Ah, thanks a ton! And great username.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zn5o-gxtFA
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 22, 2022, 08:16:07 AM
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For those switching wheels often, how do you avoid having to rethread the axles everytime?
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Always having the nut flush with the axle ends by using speedrings
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This.   I never have threads showing.  I usually do two speedrings on the inside and one on the out on Indy and Thunder.  Ace may need 4 total rings.

Same, speed rings save axles. Usually have 3 on the inside, 1 on the outside on each side, never needed to rethread
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backside_frontside on November 22, 2022, 08:36:44 AM
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For those switching wheels often, how do you avoid having to rethread the axles everytime?
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Always having the nut flush with the axle ends by using speedrings
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This.   I never have threads showing.  I usually do two speedrings on the inside and one on the out on Indy and Thunder.  Ace may need 4 total rings.
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Same, speed rings save axles. Usually have 3 on the inside, 1 on the outside on each side, never needed to rethread

When you say “speedring” do you mean a washer? Or something different? A thicc washer?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 22, 2022, 08:44:14 AM
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For those switching wheels often, how do you avoid having to rethread the axles everytime?
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Always having the nut flush with the axle ends by using speedrings
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This.   I never have threads showing.  I usually do two speedrings on the inside and one on the out on Indy and Thunder.  Ace may need 4 total rings.
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Same, speed rings save axles. Usually have 3 on the inside, 1 on the outside on each side, never needed to rethread
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When you say “speedring” do you mean a washer? Or something different? A thicc washer?

(https://cdn1.playskateshop.com/221-large_default/axle-washers-x8-speed-rings-replacement-for-skateboard-axles.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backside_frontside on November 22, 2022, 09:00:03 AM
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Always having the nut flush with the axle ends by using speedrings
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This.   I never have threads showing.  I usually do two speedrings on the inside and one on the out on Indy and Thunder.  Ace may need 4 total rings.
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Same, speed rings save axles. Usually have 3 on the inside, 1 on the outside on each side, never needed to rethread
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When you say “speedring” do you mean a washer? Or something different? A thicc washer?
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(https://cdn1.playskateshop.com/221-large_default/axle-washers-x8-speed-rings-replacement-for-skateboard-axles.jpg)

Thanks, I just always called them washers. I really need to try this because my threads get fucked way before I can grind to the axle.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 22, 2022, 03:53:37 PM
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For those switching wheels often, how do you avoid having to rethread the axles everytime?
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Always having the nut flush with the axle ends by using speedrings
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This.   I never have threads showing.  I usually do two speedrings on the inside and one on the out on Indy and Thunder.  Ace may need 4 total rings.
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Same, speed rings save axles. Usually have 3 on the inside, 1 on the outside on each side, never needed to rethread
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When you say “speedring” do you mean a washer? Or something different? A thicc washer?
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Thanks, I just always called them washers. I really need to try this because my threads get fucked way before I can grind to the axle.


Some shops have spares you can buy, but most don't seem to have any.

If you have old trucks, take them off those to use in your current set, otherwise there are sets of 50 or 100 on ebay you can buy, which should last a lifetime, or you can spread the love and share them among your friends.


Key words are: skateboard  axle  washers  speed  rings


I just put "ebay skateboard rings" in google and lots came up.

There are three listings, which I think ship globally from China, so anywhere in the world you should be set, if your local didn't have any.  Might take a while to get to you, but they are fairly cheap and will only need one purchase.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/165592218546

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304657558982

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185411650586

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on November 22, 2022, 05:36:03 PM
Adding to what @Mbrimson88 said - you can order 100 of them on Aliexpress or Ebay and be set for life. Same goes with axle nuts and kingpin nuts.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on November 28, 2022, 04:13:06 PM
I just put on a new set of dragons and i swear they feel different than my old ones when they were new. The new ones feel gummier, quieter and a stickier when powersliding. They’re still good but I miss the old ones, those were from their first batch. Has anyone noticed anything similar?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Radim on December 02, 2022, 11:40:33 PM
Any experience with the Powell Dragons in the wooden slippery skateparks?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on December 03, 2022, 12:04:50 AM
^Yes. My local indoor is pretty much unskateable for me on 99a wheels, but I can do it on Dragons. Noticeable difference in grip and well worth it imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 03, 2022, 02:22:35 AM
Any experience with the Powell Dragons in the wooden slippery skateparks?


Re Dragons on slippery wood / skatelite surfaces:

I had a go of someone's board at the indoor park, which has very slippery wood, painted surface and concrete and they were manageable on everything, even the slipperiest of surfaces that usually everything else gives out on.  It was only a few runs on those ramps and up and down the street section, but I am used to how slippery the surface is and pushed them a lot more than I would on normal duro wheels and they held on everything, which was nice.


I might have said it once or twice before (sorry) but the Mini Logo softer wheels were pretty much the best price / quality / duro for a 95 or 90 duro wheel, kept speed and was quite surprising.  Not sure how readily available they are for people, but there are lots around and half the price of the others too.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Radim on December 03, 2022, 07:07:13 AM
 Thank you for the Dragons feedback guys.  ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 03, 2022, 07:11:49 AM
I just put on a new set of dragons and i swear they feel different than my old ones when they were new. The new ones feel gummier, quieter and a stickier when powersliding. They’re still good but I miss the old ones, those were from their first batch. Has anyone noticed anything similar?

Hmm... For what it's worth my preproduction ones are definitely a bit softer and slower than my set from the first commercial batch.

I've heard in these threads that wheels can take time to cure and harden? I wonder if it's related to that (doubt it).

I'm regards to skating them on slick wooden ramps, I don't have any experience but they handled this slick slippery blacktop lot that spitfire 97a couldn't handle.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 03, 2022, 08:21:30 AM
I was at the shop yesterday and a Bones sponsored rider was there. We got to talking about the X formula and he agreed that he felt the ones he had, which were from the same box as what the shop had/I got, we're oddly sticky and gummy. I felt they were worse for powerslides than my Dragons and he agreed. He also noted that his chunked a bunch and he thinks there might have been some sort of production issue because he got another new set and had no issues. Uses them for reallllly slippery dusty parks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chinotto on December 04, 2022, 07:56:29 AM
Good to know I was not going insane. Actually, my new dragons feel a lot like the pre-production set I have. Switched to 97a spitfire until I can get bones x formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 04, 2022, 08:10:07 AM
I might have said it once or twice before (sorry) but the Mini Logo softer wheels were pretty much the best price / quality / duro for a 95 or 90 duro wheel, kept speed and was quite surprising.  Not sure how readily available they are for people, but there are lots around and half the price of the others too.

I bought the 53mm 90a Mini Logo C-cut for my kids boards. When my 180lb ass got on them they felt like they deformed under the weight.  I think a lot of softer wheels are wider and have a bit more urethane under foot.    Maybe go A-cut.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 04, 2022, 12:18:00 PM
I was at the shop yesterday and a Bones sponsored rider was there. We got to talking about the X formula and he agreed that he felt the ones he had, which were from the same box as what the shop had/I got, we're oddly sticky and gummy. I felt they were worse for powerslides than my Dragons and he agreed. He also noted that his chunked a bunch and he thinks there might have been some sort of production issue because he got another new set and had no issues. Uses them for reallllly slippery dusty parks

I'm wondering if this played into the [1st] delay to market.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 04, 2022, 05:00:54 PM
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I might have said it once or twice before (sorry) but the Mini Logo softer wheels were pretty much the best price / quality / duro for a 95 or 90 duro wheel, kept speed and was quite surprising.  Not sure how readily available they are for people, but there are lots around and half the price of the others too.
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I bought the 53mm 90a Mini Logo C-cut for my kids boards. When my 180lb ass got on them they felt like they deformed under the weight.  I think a lot of softer wheels are wider and have a bit more urethane under foot.    Maybe go A-cut.


That is interesting to know!

Never had any experience with things from that perspective, but I do recall having a guy from a movie set coming in on occasion and wanting wheels to use on the dolly rigs.  Most softer wheels would do that - end up in oval shapes - with the weight of the camera and gear as they rolled them along, so he went more for the harder wheels in the biggest sizes, often half a dozen sets at a time.

Also curious what surfaces you tried them on as well.  Kids board and all, so I wouldn't imagine you getting it out everywhere, but between slippery wooden mini ramp, slippery concrete floor, rough road and normal concrete, they felt the most consistent of almost any wheel of the softer variety, but I still ride the Spitfire Soft Ds, which do feel like they are too soft sometimes, but at least I know what they are like.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Andrefosho on December 04, 2022, 10:24:50 PM
Gentlemen,
Looking for a cruiser-like wheel.
- <60 mm
- wide, so that it reaches over axle nut
- optional: still possible to noseslide; my current wheel is so soft and spongy it's impossible even to powerslide

I'd appreciate your advice!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 05, 2022, 12:01:04 AM
Gentlemen,
Looking for a cruiser-like wheel.
- <60 mm
- wide, so that it reaches over axle nut
- optional: still possible to noseslide; my current wheel is so soft and spongy it's impossible even to powerslide

I'd appreciate your advice!

These two shapes just came out.

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-rat-bones-skateboard-wheels-60mm-x-40mm-93a-4pk

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-g-bones-skateboard-wheels-64mm-x-36mm-93a-4pk

People on here will say, they don't noseslide the best... but certainly better than any other "cruiser-like" wheel you will find.

I think people also like NFG 95, but I'm not sure what sizes they come in, don't think they go up to 60mm? I'm pretty sure they don't slide as well as Dragons is the consensus? But also maybe its situational? Not sure, never rode them myself.

Spitfire just released some huge 97a wheels: https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/spitfire-formula-four-carlyle-conical-full-60mm-97a-white/

Pretty solid formula and I think people say they noseslide better than Dragons?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 05, 2022, 07:59:29 AM
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Gentlemen,
Looking for a cruiser-like wheel.
- <60 mm
- wide, so that it reaches over axle nut
- optional: still possible to noseslide; my current wheel is so soft and spongy it's impossible even to powerslide

I'd appreciate your advice!
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These two shapes just came out.

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-rat-bones-skateboard-wheels-60mm-x-40mm-93a-4pk

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-dragon-formula-g-bones-skateboard-wheels-64mm-x-36mm-93a-4pk

People on here will say, they don't noseslide the best... but certainly better than any other "cruiser-like" wheel you will find.

I think people also like NFG 95, but I'm not sure what sizes they come in, don't think they go up to 60mm? I'm pretty sure they don't slide as well as Dragons is the consensus? But also maybe its situational? Not sure, never rode them myself.

Spitfire just released some huge 97a wheels: https://www.longboarderlabs.com/product/spitfire-formula-four-carlyle-conical-full-60mm-97a-white/

Pretty solid formula and I think people say they noseslide better than Dragons?

had to double check myself, but they max out at 60  https://www.nfgmfg.com/product-page/grim-95a-ptf-crust-60mm-vee
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on December 05, 2022, 08:15:26 AM
if you just use a lot of wax, slimeballs / rat bones can work great for noseslides
doesnt work on dry curbs though gotta fresh wax every session
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chronicbackpain on December 06, 2022, 04:25:22 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/HD0s7Kc/297-BBE1-F-0-E14-4-B6-A-93-FA-C7-A2-FBCD31-EA.jpg)
Does anyone know of any shops that carry these or when shops will get them?

Edit: SoCal has them but I found out that you get four different wheels instead of being available in four different colors.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: typeischeap on December 06, 2022, 05:49:53 AM
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I was hoping I could try some F4 OG classics on sale but it seems they are out of season right now.

Anyone have any new 56+mm OG they would want to trade for some new 56mm Conical Fulls 99a?
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I was recently on the hunt for some F4 OG Classics as well. When I asked a shop if they would be getting more of those wheels I was told “They won’t be making any more of those until spring 2023”.

I have nothing to trade but good luck to ya.

It was so weird, I was in a shop in Paris in October and they had so many sets of OG Classics that I had to ask about them. Shop owner said the locals liked the bigger OGs for the crusty Paris streets. Almost picked up a set but I had/have too many wheels already.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on December 06, 2022, 07:57:24 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/HD0s7Kc/297-BBE1-F-0-E14-4-B6-A-93-FA-C7-A2-FBCD31-EA.jpg)
Does anyone know of any shops that carry these or when shops will get them?

Edit: SoCal has them but I found out that you get four different wheels instead of being available in four different colors.

just ogtta buy 4 sets and then sell the ones you dont want  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2022, 10:17:16 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/HD0s7Kc/297-BBE1-F-0-E14-4-B6-A-93-FA-C7-A2-FBCD31-EA.jpg)
Does anyone know of any shops that carry these or when shops will get them?

Edit: SoCal has them but I found out that you get four different wheels instead of being available in four different colors.

Those are sick, but I'm afraid of 55mm wheels these days...let alone Conical fricken'fulls. Also, my OCD dislikes that one swirl being in the mix.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on December 06, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
i’d do unspeakable things for those brown ones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 06, 2022, 11:30:46 AM
i’d do unspeakable things for those brown ones

Like spending $160 on wheels?   At least you'd get free shipping.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on December 06, 2022, 11:39:03 AM
i’d do unspeakable things for those brown ones

I saw a set of these in person yesterday the "clay" ones are more reddish in person than the picture FYI
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2022, 11:54:31 AM
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i’d do unspeakable things for those brown ones
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Like spending $160 on wheels?   At least you'd get free shipping.

And be set for a hot minute.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 06, 2022, 03:50:00 PM
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Does anyone know of any shops that carry these or when shops will get them?

Edit: SoCal has them but I found out that you get four different wheels instead of being available in four different colors.
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just ogtta buy 4 sets and then sell the ones you dont want  ;D


Yep, that is exactly what I had done before with other mix and match Spitfire sets.

Find somewhere that has four (or more) sets in stock, get them and then sort them into their colour groups, which is what I did with the Grosso and Lance wheels a while back.

If you don't want a certain colour, there are bound to be people out there who do want them, so pass them on, otherwise keep them and be set for wheels for a while.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on December 06, 2022, 06:01:14 PM
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Does anyone know of any shops that carry these or when shops will get them?

Edit: SoCal has them but I found out that you get four different wheels instead of being available in four different colors.
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just ogtta buy 4 sets and then sell the ones you dont want  ;D
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Yep, that is exactly what I had done before with other mix and match Spitfire sets.

Find somewhere that has four (or more) sets in stock, get them and then sort them into their colour groups, which is what I did with the Grosso and Lance wheels a while back.

If you don't want a certain colour, there are bound to be people out there who do want them, so pass them on, otherwise keep them and be set for wheels for a while.

3&1 is god tier wheel aesthetics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on December 06, 2022, 07:32:40 PM
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Does anyone know of any shops that carry these or when shops will get them?

Edit: SoCal has them but I found out that you get four different wheels instead of being available in four different colors.
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just ogtta buy 4 sets and then sell the ones you dont want  ;D
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Yep, that is exactly what I had done before with other mix and match Spitfire sets.

Find somewhere that has four (or more) sets in stock, get them and then sort them into their colour groups, which is what I did with the Grosso and Lance wheels a while back.

If you don't want a certain colour, there are bound to be people out there who do want them, so pass them on, otherwise keep them and be set for wheels for a while.
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3&1 is god tier wheel aesthetics.

I wish they did this more often. I’ve debated on dying one wheel but I’m afraid it will mess up the feel or will it turn white after slides
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 06, 2022, 08:45:55 PM
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/speed-kills-radial-slims-orange-grey-mash-up-101d-ff-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p34950-86803_zoom.jpg)

Bring back the 3+1 aesthetic!!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 06, 2022, 09:00:29 PM
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Does anyone know of any shops that carry these or when shops will get them?

Edit: SoCal has them but I found out that you get four different wheels instead of being available in four different colors.
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just ogtta buy 4 sets and then sell the ones you dont want  ;D
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Yep, that is exactly what I had done before with other mix and match Spitfire sets.

Find somewhere that has four (or more) sets in stock, get them and then sort them into their colour groups, which is what I did with the Grosso and Lance wheels a while back.

If you don't want a certain colour, there are bound to be people out there who do want them, so pass them on, otherwise keep them and be set for wheels for a while.
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3&1 is god tier wheel aesthetics.
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I wish they did this more often. I’ve debated on dying one wheel but I’m afraid it will mess up the feel or will it turn white after slides

when you do the rit dye technique, you are dying the urethane itself. gets all up in there and won't just scrape off. give it a shot sometime, doesn't mess up the feel either
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2022, 09:11:06 PM
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/speed-kills-radial-slims-orange-grey-mash-up-101d-ff-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p34950-86803_zoom.jpg)

Bring back the 3+1 aesthetic!!

Those grey wheels are tits. Only Louie got grey for a run of that colorway.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on December 06, 2022, 11:20:34 PM
I wish they would do another run of the Lance Mountain 3&1 wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on December 07, 2022, 12:12:06 AM
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Bring back the 3+1 aesthetic!!
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Those grey wheels are tits. Only Louie got grey for a run of that colorway.

This series was really cool, in blue, red, green, yellow + black + purple

(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-death-adder-radial-slims-99d-cobalt-blue-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-54mm-p28752-70754_image.jpg)

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/mgfmp.dmumc/v/vspfiles/photos/S1-2111008652-4.jpg?v-cache=1501772576)

(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/preview/1WSFW0F499S54LD.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 07, 2022, 06:09:12 AM
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Bring back the 3+1 aesthetic!!
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Those grey wheels are tits. Only Louie got grey for a run of that colorway.
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This series was really cool, in blue, red, green, yellow + black + purple



I just picked up a very well used complete with those red ones on it.

They still skate well at 50mm or so.


There have been quite a few people who have bought a set of coloured wheels to mix and match with others of the same size and shape over the years.

I know Lou Strux did it, Jake Hayes was doing it for a while, others too, creating their own versions.

Given there are a number of different neon coloured Classics and quite a few other one off coloured options in standard shapes and sizes, it wouldn't be too hard.  Just needs a little planning and cash to bring something like that to life.


Edit:

I knew it was still there somewhere.

Custom wheel change up from a while back.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CMLY58ppJPN/

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 07, 2022, 07:51:37 PM
the conical full 54mm “visions” comes with a wheel in each color
buy it with a set of regular 54s and run the 3/1 look 4 times

edit: 3 times, forgot one in the pack was natural color
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chronicbackpain on December 07, 2022, 08:36:42 PM
the conical full 54mm “visions” comes with a wheel in each color
buy it with a set of regular 54s and run the 3/1 look 4 times

edit: 3 times, forgot one in the pack was natural color
They’re 55 mm but the closest options for the regulars are 54 and 56.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 07, 2022, 08:50:54 PM
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the conical full 54mm “visions” comes with a wheel in each color
buy it with a set of regular 54s and run the 3/1 look 4 times

edit: 3 times, forgot one in the pack was natural color
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They’re 55 mm but the closest options for the regulars are 54 and 56.
typo on their end
3/1 combo is still possible for the 58mm size though
seems to be a huge pain in the ass unless you get them for free
(https://i.ibb.co/23QqQZ9/512-A939-E-7-FC0-4840-A84-B-C53-D2-E44-E7-B2.png) (https://ibb.co/ZzPdP2j)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on December 08, 2022, 12:09:13 AM
i believe the 58 size is all black ^

anyone in canada interested in getting two pairs each? i want the brown and black.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 11, 2022, 12:11:51 PM
Looks like bones x 97s drop tomorrow

(https://i.ibb.co/6Yn5T6Y/D4837918-8172-4-B31-AE5-D-C8-D261255-D37.png) (https://ibb.co/6Yn5T6Y)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 11, 2022, 12:29:22 PM
Looks like bones x 97s drop tomorrow

(https://i.ibb.co/6Yn5T6Y/D4837918-8172-4-B31-AE5-D-C8-D261255-D37.png) (https://ibb.co/6Yn5T6Y)

Oh fuck, nice.

I'm very cautious about these to be honest... but man the 97a test batch were fast as fuck, if nothing else. I just have doubts about their ability to ride crusty streets and cracks... but hopefully they have honed these in the past 6 months or so.

Dragons are still my favorite wheel even after the honeymoon phase is over. Its awesome to basically not have to worry about pebbles anymore. I doubt the 97a in this formula will be soft enough to do the same, but who knows, since F4 97a Spitfire handle pebbles very well themselves.

https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula

Looks like they are going with V5 (Conical) and V6 (Conical Full) essentially for the smaller and larger wheels respectively. Probably a good call. I love the V6, and V5 is probably better than their really slim wheels for the things these wheels are intended for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 11, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
The 97 X Formula felt much closer to a Dragon than the 97 prototypes I had. So, you should be in luck if you want a slightly harder/faster version. To be honest they didn't feel insanely different, much less so than I had expected.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 12, 2022, 01:45:35 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Z658YDk/IMG-20221212-164220633.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y7mkysq)

This was in storage. Old wheel co. I rode them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 12, 2022, 03:36:59 PM
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Looks like bones x 97s drop tomorrow

(https://i.ibb.co/6Yn5T6Y/D4837918-8172-4-B31-AE5-D-C8-D261255-D37.png) (https://ibb.co/6Yn5T6Y)
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Oh fuck, nice.

I'm very cautious about these to be honest... but man the 97a test batch were fast as fuck, if nothing else. I just have doubts about their ability to ride crusty streets and cracks... but hopefully they have honed these in the past 6 months or so.

Dragons are still my favorite wheel even after the honeymoon phase is over. Its awesome to basically not have to worry about pebbles anymore. I doubt the 97a in this formula will be soft enough to do the same, but who knows, since F4 97a Spitfire handle pebbles very well themselves.

https://www.skateone.com/skateboard-wheels/x-formula

Looks like they are going with V5 (Conical) and V6 (Conical Full) essentially for the smaller and larger wheels respectively. Probably a good call. I love the V6, and V5 is probably better than their really slim wheels for the things these wheels are intended for.

They’re up on SkateOne
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on December 15, 2022, 08:58:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuSdZbl3a2I&ab_channel=DadBoard
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 16, 2022, 10:31:51 AM
^^ falls in line with what others have said, bit harder/less bouncy /slightly less grippy than the 93s (which one could expect of any wheel).

Seem like a pretty good option for masonite/skatelite but they're clearly crust crunchers. Looking forward to getting some; I went form 93 dragons to 99a spits, the spits felt sooo hard, but for sure slid better on blunts, but didn't throw me off on anything else and like the vid, I totally missed the smooth/less vibration feel the dragons provided.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2022, 02:43:29 PM
^^ falls in line with what others have said, bit harder/less bouncy /slightly less grippy than the 93s (which one could expect of any wheel).

Seem like a pretty good option for masonite/skatelite but they're clearly crust crunchers. Looking forward to getting some; I went form 93 dragons to 99a spits, the spits felt sooo hard, but for sure slid better on blunts, but didn't throw me off on anything else and like the vid, I totally missed the smooth/less vibration feel the dragons provided.

Got to ride some at length today, very low impact skating; I also had the 93 dragons, 99a and 103 STFs setup as well...

Less bouncy than 93 dragons, harder for sure, less vibration absorption so not as smooth...they actually feel harder in slides than the 99stfs (I don't care for that formula duro). I'd put them safely between the 99a and 103b STFs to be honest...and I wouldn't see any reason to ride 99a STFs ever again.

There was a considerable rough patch, and I fucking SLIPPED out on it, any other wheel and you'd get pitched, was really weird; I unbalanced my weight and just slide across it.

They're very close to spit 97a but slide way better for me and actually feel harder in their vibration absorption capabilities.

Can't see going back to dragons unless the terrain calls for it (if I were the type that needed a clip or whatever and the spot was gnar)...and for where I skate, no reason to go for 99a spits either...probably only move to 101/103 for smooth park, unless these prove ok, won't be until after xmas when I'll able to check them out in a park/smooth plaza scenario.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on December 17, 2022, 03:59:22 PM
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^^ falls in line with what others have said, bit harder/less bouncy /slightly less grippy than the 93s (which one could expect of any wheel).

Seem like a pretty good option for masonite/skatelite but they're clearly crust crunchers. Looking forward to getting some; I went form 93 dragons to 99a spits, the spits felt sooo hard, but for sure slid better on blunts, but didn't throw me off on anything else and like the vid, I totally missed the smooth/less vibration feel the dragons provided.
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Got to ride some at length today, very low impact skating; I also had the 93 dragons, 99a and 103 STFs setup as well...

Less bouncy than 93 dragons, harder for sure, less vibration absorption so not as smooth...they actually feel harder in slides than the 99stfs (I don't care for that formula duro). I'd put them safely between the 99a and 103b STFs to be honest...and I wouldn't see any reason to ride 99a STFs ever again.

There was a considerable rough patch, and I fucking SLIPPED out on it, any other wheel and you'd get pitched, was really weird; I unbalanced my weight and just slide across it.

They're very close to spit 97a but slide way better for me and actually feel harder in their vibration absorption capabilities.

Can't see going back to dragons unless the terrain calls for it (if I were the type that needed a clip or whatever and the spot was gnar)...and for where I skate, no reason to go for 99a spits either...probably only move to 101/103 for smooth park, unless these prove ok, won't be until after xmas will I be able to check them out in a park/smooth plaza scenario).

Anything you can say about speed compared to dragons yet? I wonder if bones just stop selling the 99a, there's really no point and I regret buying them.

Also crazy to see the non-hype on these wheels after everyone losing their mind over the dragons
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2022, 04:20:43 PM
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^^ falls in line with what others have said, bit harder/less bouncy /slightly less grippy than the 93s (which one could expect of any wheel).

Seem like a pretty good option for masonite/skatelite but they're clearly crust crunchers. Looking forward to getting some; I went form 93 dragons to 99a spits, the spits felt sooo hard, but for sure slid better on blunts, but didn't throw me off on anything else and like the vid, I totally missed the smooth/less vibration feel the dragons provided.
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Got to ride some at length today, very low impact skating; I also had the 93 dragons, 99a and 103 STFs setup as well...

Less bouncy than 93 dragons, harder for sure, less vibration absorption so not as smooth...they actually feel harder in slides than the 99stfs (I don't care for that formula duro). I'd put them safely between the 99a and 103b STFs to be honest...and I wouldn't see any reason to ride 99a STFs ever again.

There was a considerable rough patch, and I fucking SLIPPED out on it, any other wheel and you'd get pitched, was really weird; I unbalanced my weight and just slide across it.

They're very close to spit 97a but slide way better for me and actually feel harder in their vibration absorption capabilities.

Can't see going back to dragons unless the terrain calls for it (if I were the type that needed a clip or whatever and the spot was gnar)...and for where I skate, no reason to go for 99a spits either...probably only move to 101/103 for smooth park, unless these prove ok, won't be until after xmas will I be able to check them out in a park/smooth plaza scenario).
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Anything you can say about speed compared to dragons yet? I wonder if bones just stop selling the 99a, there's really no point and I regret buying them.

Also crazy to see the non-hype on these wheels after everyone losing their mind over the dragons

@goodatmeth

Forgot to add that!

Yes, they feel faster than dragons, tho I will say that's a tough read because the dragons are softer/smoother since the x97s are harder feeling, so that 'rough terrain' vibration IS there compared to the smooth dragons (but still muted compared to a spit 99a); Also, this set is 54mm V5 vs my dragons @52mm V1, FWIW.

Grinds and slides, they were less gummy feeling as well but that didn't make them feel 'hard' like a spit 99a, but I didn't feel like I was hindered in anyway...and much better in those situations than the 97a spit.

Yeah the 99a bones are superflous now, but they were before as there would be no reason to skate them over a spit 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 17, 2022, 04:37:53 PM
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^^ falls in line with what others have said, bit harder/less bouncy /slightly less grippy than the 93s (which one could expect of any wheel).

Seem like a pretty good option for masonite/skatelite but they're clearly crust crunchers. Looking forward to getting some; I went form 93 dragons to 99a spits, the spits felt sooo hard, but for sure slid better on blunts, but didn't throw me off on anything else and like the vid, I totally missed the smooth/less vibration feel the dragons provided.
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Got to ride some at length today, very low impact skating; I also had the 93 dragons, 99a and 103 STFs setup as well...

Less bouncy than 93 dragons, harder for sure, less vibration absorption so not as smooth...they actually feel harder in slides than the 99stfs (I don't care for that formula duro). I'd put them safely between the 99a and 103b STFs to be honest...and I wouldn't see any reason to ride 99a STFs ever again.

There was a considerable rough patch, and I fucking SLIPPED out on it, any other wheel and you'd get pitched, was really weird; I unbalanced my weight and just slide across it.

They're very close to spit 97a but slide way better for me and actually feel harder in their vibration absorption capabilities.

Can't see going back to dragons unless the terrain calls for it (if I were the type that needed a clip or whatever and the spot was gnar)...and for where I skate, no reason to go for 99a spits either...probably only move to 101/103 for smooth park, unless these prove ok, won't be until after xmas will I be able to check them out in a park/smooth plaza scenario).
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Anything you can say about speed compared to dragons yet? I wonder if bones just stop selling the 99a, there's really no point and I regret buying them.

Also crazy to see the non-hype on these wheels after everyone losing their mind over the dragons
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@goodatmeth

Forgot to add that!

Yes, they feel faster than dragons, tho I will say that's a tough read because the dragons are softer/smoother since the x97s are harder feeling, so that 'rough terrain' vibration IS there compared to the smooth dragons (but still muted compared to a spit 99a); Also, this set is 54mm V5 vs my dragons @52mm V1, FWIW.

Grinds and slides, they were less gummy feeling as well but that didn't make them feel 'hard' like a spit 99a, but I didn't feel like I was hindered in anyway...and much better in those situations than the 97a spit.

Yeah the 99a bones are superflous now, but they were before as there would be no reason to skate them over a spit 99a.

Yeah the 99a Bones were so close to being good. They were fast as fuck, and handled bad terrain surprisingly well for a 99. But the slide was so fucking atrocious that they were unskateable.

I'll have to check out Bones X in the Spring. The reasons why I'm not as hyped are because 1) they are being released while there is snow on the ground and 2) Dragons had already "solved" skating in my particular neighborhood, and Bones X would ride worse than those with how shitty things are around here.

If Dragons weren't already out, I'm sure I would be more hyped on Bones X, but for now Dragons are that sweet spot for me. Dragons were a "need" for me, where as Bones X are a "want". Something fun to try/experiment with, but will be objectively less useful for me by comparison for my current skate situation.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2022, 04:56:20 PM
Thing is, those 99a EZ streets were fucking amazing...then they botched it with the dirty birds/natruals/brown ass wheels and fucked everything up (including the regular 103b STFs). Dumb move.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 17, 2022, 05:15:45 PM
Thing is, those 99a EZ streets were fucking amazing...then they botched it with the dirty birds/natruals/brown ass wheels and fucked everything up (including the regular 103b STFs). Dumb move.

Yeah I had only tried the white 103a (loved them) and natural 99a (again, unskateable). The white 99a sound amazing from whats been described... would you say the Bones X 97a are comparable to the white 99a, or even better?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 17, 2022, 08:15:19 PM
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Thing is, those 99a EZ streets were fucking amazing...then they botched it with the dirty birds/natruals/brown ass wheels and fucked everything up (including the regular 103b STFs). Dumb move.
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Yeah I had only tried the white 103a (loved them) and natural 99a (again, unskateable). The white 99a sound amazing from whats been described... would you say the Bones X 97a are comparable to the white 99a, or even better?

The 99a ez streets?

These are very different the ez were a regular/proper feeling 99a stf, comparable to the 99a spit depending on your wheel feel preferences (i.e., you never had an issue with how bones feel).

I’d pick the 97a bones x over any 99a offering really they do what 99s do but smoother on rough shit.

Nothing blunt slides like 101/103b tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 20, 2022, 02:16:31 PM
anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on December 20, 2022, 02:33:39 PM
anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?

From what I've heard from friends that worked for/were sponsored by them it sounds like they're going out of business. Hit up @cute_emoqueen on Instagram if you want to get any of their last stock.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 20, 2022, 02:47:08 PM
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anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?
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From what I've heard from friends that worked for/were sponsored by them it sounds like they're going out of business. Hit up @cute_emoqueen on Instagram if you want to get any of their last stock.

bummer, but thanks for the info! wonder where that's gonna leave loophole
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 20, 2022, 02:47:18 PM
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anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?
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From what I've heard from friends that worked for/were sponsored by them it sounds like they're going out of business. Hit up @cute_emoqueen on Instagram if you want to get any of their last stock.

Damn, that's sad. I know a lot of people on here swear by their wheels. How do they go under but wheel brands that don't really have any fans still live on?

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anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?
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From what I've heard from friends that worked for/were sponsored by them it sounds like they're going out of business. Hit up @cute_emoqueen on Instagram if you want to get any of their last stock.
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bummer, but thanks for the info! wonder where that's gonna leave loophole

They're going to switch to BBS wood like everyone else  ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 20, 2022, 03:56:08 PM
They went under because at least of people I've met the only actual fans of Loophole/NFG seem to be on here. A number of people I know wanted to try them and also found that they had a lot of bubbles (prob doesn't matter but looks shitty), weren't really advantageous over Bones or F4, often were not the size they claimed on the package, and didn't offer anything any other brand didn't unless you really want to only buy from a small company. I can respect that, but like said friends I'm not going to spend the limited time I have on a board to ride an inferior product. People on here acted like they were an improved F4, but for me they slid worse than my 97a F4 and were not as fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on December 20, 2022, 04:11:54 PM
They went under because at least of people I've met the only actual fans of Loophole/NFG seem to be on here. A number of people I know wanted to try them and also found that they had a lot of bubbles (prob doesn't matter but looks shitty), weren't really advantageous over Bones or F4, often were not the size they claimed on the package, and didn't offer anything any other brand didn't unless you really want to only buy from a small company. I can respect that, but like said friends I'm not going to spend the limited time I have on a board to ride an inferior product. People on here acted like they were an improved F4, but for me they slid worse than my 97a F4 and were not as fast.


I tried them and had a similar take. Bubbles looked ass but didn’t really matter. Actually really liked the 95’s but they got bearing seat stretch right way too quick. Felt better than 97 f4 but didn’t last. Then again, 97 f4 is the deadest soft wheel I’ve ridden- which is probably why some folks like them - not bouncing around like a $.25 super ball. Now that I think on it, I went from 56 99 f4s severely worn to <52 with clapped out bearings to NFG 56mm with fresh bearings. Maybe they were always meh but the size and bearings masked it?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 21, 2022, 01:11:55 AM
wait what? does that mean I need to stockpile loopholes?

also:
I'm not going to spend the limited time I have on a board to ride an inferior product.
??? They are the best wheels I've ever ridden period!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on December 21, 2022, 06:55:40 AM
Kinda bogus how NFG just disappeared like that and no thanks for the support to all the people including me that paid a lot of money on their wheels many times, along with people who donated to their gofundme to help them better their production output.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 21, 2022, 11:23:11 AM
Kinda bogus how NFG just disappeared like that and no thanks for the support to all the people including me that paid a lot of money on their wheels many times, along with people who donated to their gofundme to help them better their production output.

Always wondered if it was a cheesy move to start a GoFundMe for a skateboarding company. What’s the consensus?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 21, 2022, 11:53:16 AM
I knew the wheel Wizard couldn't be trusted but still those wheels were a good second best to F4s IMO. LoopHole is super sick also. I hope they can find some new 'thane and keep it going.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: El Freegano on December 21, 2022, 12:22:30 PM
The NFG urethane is inferior to F4 and may be bones, but i have been skating loops for more than an year and i am quite content - no flat sopts despite all the powerslides, the ride is smooth and i am a fan of the brand and the team. I have stocked with 3 sets earlier this year and will be fine for some time, but i hope Loophole can find good manufacturing for the future.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on December 21, 2022, 02:55:13 PM
I got a set of 54mm V6 Bones X-97 formula and they are way better than the prototype 97's I was riding earlier. And in that conical full shape which I'm stoked on. For me, I don't notice the sticking on ledges that have a metal edge with crooks like I experienced with Dragons. Seems like a good all around wheel that works in skateparks without feeling sluggish like dragons and pretty good at handling crust too (though obviously not as good as dragons). These seem like a throw it on your board and not worry about changing your wheels kinda wheel. Blunts still work for me but I do have to sit in that back heel pocket.

I'm also hyped Bones knows what's good and made these untreaded unlike the dragons.

Overall, I'm pretty stoked on these and will probably buy another set. I hope Bones does a X-99 at some point, that would be the my go-to skatepark wheel for sure. I'm hoping it'd fix the slideability issue with the STF 99's (excluding the EZ streets which I gotta find my old set of).

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on December 21, 2022, 04:50:23 PM
anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmZlu2xPPHl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

The wheel finish was rough and the graphics quality was bad, but performance wise these were great wheels.  :'(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on December 21, 2022, 04:55:43 PM
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anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CmZlu2xPPHl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

The wheel finish was rough and the graphics quality was bad, but performance wise these were great wheels.  :'(

welp, guess i'm gonna be trying the conicals everyone's going on about

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anyone know what's up with NFG? site is down, insta gone and google listing as perma closed. seems sudden though?
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From what I've heard from friends that worked for/were sponsored by them it sounds like they're going out of business. Hit up @cute_emoqueen on Instagram if you want to get any of their last stock.
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bummer, but thanks for the info! wonder where that's gonna leave loophole
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They're going to switch to BBS wood like everyone else  ;)

zing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 21, 2022, 05:28:53 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CmZlu2xPPHl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

The wheel finish was rough and the graphics quality was bad, but performance wise these were great wheels.  :'(

Not as bad as that poster's grammar...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 21, 2022, 05:44:59 PM
I knew the wheel Wizard couldn't be trusted but still those wheels were a good second best to F4s IMO. LoopHole is super sick also. I hope they can find some new 'thane and keep it going.
loophole won’t be the same without that ‘thane though …
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 21, 2022, 10:07:10 PM
52mm teardrops and 56 v-cuts are my go to wheels, have some 54mm square cuts on ice but currently DM-ing NFG so I can hopefully get a nice stockpile.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 22, 2022, 09:36:17 PM
52mm teardrops and 56 v-cuts are my go to wheels, have some 54mm square cuts on ice but currently DM-ing NFG so I can hopefully get a nice stockpile.
just copped a mix of 8 different sets, doesn’t look like the have much stock left…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on December 23, 2022, 05:14:08 PM
Saw on this on the Instagram post about NFG going down:
(https://i.ibb.co/Ryhvyk8/Screenshot-20221223-201013.png) (https://ibb.co/Ryhvyk8)

Not sure if this means NFG isn't getting rid of anything or if just she wouldn't be the one selling.

Would be sick to see Loophole continue to use the molds and formulas somehow.

I prefer Formula 4s slightly but NFG stuff was on almost that same level to me. Plus it was nice to support a little manufacturer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on December 24, 2022, 09:36:15 AM
This whole NFG going under thing and what happens with Loophole got me thinking.

It would be very handy to have a wheel manufacturer thread like the woodshop thread.

There are so many little wheel companies now and knowing I could avoid Creative Urethane would be handy.

Plus if I remember correctly even brands under NHS can be poured in the USA or in China.

What knowledge does everyone have out there?

My contribution outside of major brands would be Acid Chemical Co pours their own wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on December 24, 2022, 03:14:50 PM
This whole NFG going under thing and what happens with Loophole got me thinking.

It would be very handy to have a wheel manufacturer thread like the woodshop thread.

There are so many little wheel companies now and knowing I could avoid Creative Urethane would be handy.

Plus if I remember correctly even brands under NHS can be poured in the USA or in China.

What knowledge does everyone have out there?

My contribution outside of major brands would be Acid Chemical Co pours their own wheels

you are right so many things about the wheel industry are shady and secretive
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on December 25, 2022, 02:00:20 PM
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This whole NFG going under thing and what happens with Loophole got me thinking.

It would be very handy to have a wheel manufacturer thread like the woodshop thread.

There are so many little wheel companies now and knowing I could avoid Creative Urethane would be handy.

Plus if I remember correctly even brands under NHS can be poured in the USA or in China.

What knowledge does everyone have out there?

My contribution outside of major brands would be Acid Chemical Co pours their own wheels
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you are right so many things about the wheel industry are shady and secretive

There's a few brands out there I want to try but it's hard to stray away from Formula 4's especially without knowing I could just end up with a set 99a creative thane that I leave at the park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lazyskater on December 27, 2022, 09:48:19 AM
Anybody try bones 97a formula yet? Is it better then spits?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 27, 2022, 09:55:15 PM
Anybody try bones 97a formula yet? Is it better then spits?

Name checks out…Dude, scroll up…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on December 28, 2022, 05:03:14 AM
Saw on this on the Instagram post about NFG going down:
(https://i.ibb.co/Ryhvyk8/Screenshot-20221223-201013.png) (https://ibb.co/Ryhvyk8)

Not sure if this means NFG isn't getting rid of anything or if just she wouldn't be the one selling.

Would be sick to see Loophole continue to use the molds and formulas somehow.

I prefer Formula 4s slightly but NFG stuff was on almost that same level to me. Plus it was nice to support a little manufacturer.

Maybe NFG is going away to try their hand at being another Creative Urethane alternative - an OEM maker for other brands. Or maybe they think this is just temporary.

More likely than that is that, in fifteen years, the molds end up for sale on Craigslist and then scrapped.

As for NFG wheels, I thought they were good. Better than any of the generic wheels out there, but not as good as Bones or Spitfire. I still have two pairs, I’ll probably post them up for trade in the classified section because I’ll likely never skate them and you all seem like you’re going to miss them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 28, 2022, 12:17:35 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/BtLjK6d/IMG-20221228-145823043.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Qf9njHz)
image sharing (https://imgbb.com/)

Hey young world look out. I'm going to do a 4 wheel slide that breaks the sound barrier

Be ready for an honest review. I'm out.

Much love to all the shoes and gear pals in the entire universe. If my plan works out I'll see you in .0006 seconds so get your shoes on now ok.

We got curbs to chomp
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 28, 2022, 04:42:18 PM
Not that fast so far.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 28, 2022, 05:13:57 PM
Not that fast so far.

It's going to depend on the terrain...they are 93s after all; also, no one, anywhere, has ever said they were fast; if anyone buying is thinking they're getting a fast wheel, they've not been following the plethora of feedback on this forum/in this thread (or elsewhere around the net), just sayin'...

58 dragons on shit pavement will, however, be faster than any 99a+ wheel tho...

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on December 28, 2022, 07:17:09 PM
Really bummed to hear about NFG been skating Loops since they came out, really liked their teardrop shape
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ride it to dust on December 29, 2022, 06:02:56 AM
Has anyone tried the powell g-slides? Think they’ve been around a couple years but just stumbled across them now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 29, 2022, 07:48:00 AM
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Not that fast so far.
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It's going to depend on the terrain...they are 93s after all; also, no one, anywhere, has ever said they were fast; if anyone buying is thinking they're getting a fast wheel, they've not been following the plethora of feedback on this forum/in this thread (or elsewhere around the net), just sayin'...

58 dragons on shit pavement will, however, be faster than any 99a+ wheel tho...

I definitely should have copped the g bones. I think an extra 6mm would have gotten me to the speed I need.  I am stoked tho. This wheels shape is so good. They bark too. I was worried about that. It's a nice sound. I'm getting ready to go to the diy on the way to the graffiti shop that has the worst ground around.

In like 2 weeks I'll know everything probably.

So far it's fun af
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 29, 2022, 08:24:16 AM
Has anyone tried the powell g-slides? Think they’ve been around a couple years but just stumbled across them now.

Yeah, I’ve had a couple sets. They slide ok for the first session or two and then they get grippy like any other cruiser wheel. The bombers work way better as a soft cruiser wheel that slides (for power slides, not good for ledge trucks)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on December 29, 2022, 10:44:21 AM
1 session in and so far I'm pretty underwhelmed by the Bones X formula. I have the 56 V6 shape in both the dragons and x formula and to me they feel pretty similar. The only difference I found was the x formula were definitely faster and roll through crusty about 90% as good as the dragons. Also, idk if it's just the first sesh but the dragons actually broke into slides easier which was a little surprising. My disappointment comes from there not really that much of a difference between the two wheels. Overall they're not bad but I was hoping they'd be a little harder feeling and have a little better slide. They're fun for a secondary setup but I think I'm just gonna stick to spitfire f4 97's on my main board.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on December 29, 2022, 12:15:39 PM
1 session in and so far I'm pretty underwhelmed by the Bones X formula. I have the 56 V6 shape in both the dragons and x formula and to me they feel pretty similar. The only difference I found was the x formula were definitely faster and roll through crusty about 90% as good as the dragons. Also, idk if it's just the first sesh but the dragons actually broke into slides easier which was a little surprising. My disappointment comes from there not really that much of a difference between the two wheels. Overall they're not bad but I was hoping they'd be a little harder feeling and have a little better slide. They're fun for a secondary setup but I think I'm just gonna stick to spitfire f4 97's on my main board.

Have you ridden them in a smooth park yet? The general consensus is that dragons aren’t good in parks/bowls. I’m wondering if maybe the Bones X formula might do better since it’s harder and faster?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on December 29, 2022, 03:59:15 PM
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1 session in and so far I'm pretty underwhelmed by the Bones X formula. I have the 56 V6 shape in both the dragons and x formula and to me they feel pretty similar. The only difference I found was the x formula were definitely faster and roll through crusty about 90% as good as the dragons. Also, idk if it's just the first sesh but the dragons actually broke into slides easier which was a little surprising. My disappointment comes from there not really that much of a difference between the two wheels. Overall they're not bad but I was hoping they'd be a little harder feeling and have a little better slide. They're fun for a secondary setup but I think I'm just gonna stick to spitfire f4 97's on my main board.
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Have you ridden them in a smooth park yet? The general consensus is that dragons aren’t good in parks/bowls. I’m wondering if maybe the Bones X formula might do better since it’s harder and faster?

That's exactly where I skated them. I took a mid skate session mission to 7/11 and the chunky streets around the park as well. My local is really smooth and the x formula are definitely faster than the dragons but they still grip just a little too much. These were brand new out of the package so I thought they'd be a little slick but they did the opposite and gripped too much. I'm thinking I need to wear off that first layer of urethane so I'll definitely give them another shot there after they break in more. The one thing that did impress me was they rode over crusty ground pretty much as well as the dragons do, maybe a small amount more vibration.
I think these wheels definitely have a purpose in the streets much like the dragons but I do 95% of my skating at the local park and the spitfire 97 just work better for me there. Overall they're great but my expectations were a little let down seeing as the 2 wheels are so similar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 29, 2022, 04:15:05 PM
Beware Wet black top on new dragons.

I just did a 20-30' backside slider dragging my fingertips because some kook ass yuppies went to go gadget jersey barrier in front the exit of the parking garage. Trying to flex they security guard muscle on a mofo. Street was empty

A young on looker shouted AWESOME SPEED or something. Distraction needed to let it go with just some words.

Stupid fucking tourists tried to kill my ass. I was definitely heated but I chilled it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 29, 2022, 04:41:49 PM
fixed sorry about the quadruple post. my phone is pissed at me or something
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ride it to dust on December 29, 2022, 11:54:06 PM
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Yeah, I’ve had a couple sets. They slide ok for the first session or two and then they get grippy like any other cruiser wheel. The bombers work way better as a soft cruiser wheel that slides (for power slides, not good for ledge trucks)

Thanks for the heads up on them, was hoping they were going to slide on curbs etc but will keep an eye out for something else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on December 30, 2022, 05:25:58 AM
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1 session in and so far I'm pretty underwhelmed by the Bones X formula. I have the 56 V6 shape in both the dragons and x formula and to me they feel pretty similar. The only difference I found was the x formula were definitely faster and roll through crusty about 90% as good as the dragons. Also, idk if it's just the first sesh but the dragons actually broke into slides easier which was a little surprising. My disappointment comes from there not really that much of a difference between the two wheels. Overall they're not bad but I was hoping they'd be a little harder feeling and have a little better slide. They're fun for a secondary setup but I think I'm just gonna stick to spitfire f4 97's on my main board.
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Have you ridden them in a smooth park yet? The general consensus is that dragons aren’t good in parks/bowls. I’m wondering if maybe the Bones X formula might do better since it’s harder and faster?
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That's exactly where I skated them. I took a mid skate session mission to 7/11 and the chunky streets around the park as well. My local is really smooth and the x formula are definitely faster than the dragons but they still grip just a little too much. These were brand new out of the package so I thought they'd be a little slick but they did the opposite and gripped too much. I'm thinking I need to wear off that first layer of urethane so I'll definitely give them another shot there after they break in more. The one thing that did impress me was they rode over crusty ground pretty much as well as the dragons do, maybe a small amount more vibration.
I think these wheels definitely have a purpose in the streets much like the dragons but I do 95% of my skating at the local park and the spitfire 97 just work better for me there. Overall they're great but my expectations were a little let down seeing as the 2 wheels are so similar.

That's confusing because it seemed (from ben degros video and slap posts) like even the dragons slide much better than spit 97a? What's your experience, are your spits sliding better?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 30, 2022, 09:21:31 AM
Beware Wet black top on new dragons.

I just did a 20-30' backside slider dragging my fingertips because some kook ass yuppies went to go gadget jersey barrier in front the exit of the parking garage. Trying to flex they security guard muscle on a mofo. Street was empty

A young on looker shouted AWESOME SPEED or something. Distraction needed to let it go with just some words.

Stupid fucking tourists tried to kill my ass. I was definitely heated but I chilled it

Sounds like that would have been a glorious death.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on December 30, 2022, 02:57:27 PM
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1 session in and so far I'm pretty underwhelmed by the Bones X formula. I have the 56 V6 shape in both the dragons and x formula and to me they feel pretty similar. The only difference I found was the x formula were definitely faster and roll through crusty about 90% as good as the dragons. Also, idk if it's just the first sesh but the dragons actually broke into slides easier which was a little surprising. My disappointment comes from there not really that much of a difference between the two wheels. Overall they're not bad but I was hoping they'd be a little harder feeling and have a little better slide. They're fun for a secondary setup but I think I'm just gonna stick to spitfire f4 97's on my main board.
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Have you ridden them in a smooth park yet? The general consensus is that dragons aren’t good in parks/bowls. I’m wondering if maybe the Bones X formula might do better since it’s harder and faster?
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That's exactly where I skated them. I took a mid skate session mission to 7/11 and the chunky streets around the park as well. My local is really smooth and the x formula are definitely faster than the dragons but they still grip just a little too much. These were brand new out of the package so I thought they'd be a little slick but they did the opposite and gripped too much. I'm thinking I need to wear off that first layer of urethane so I'll definitely give them another shot there after they break in more. The one thing that did impress me was they rode over crusty ground pretty much as well as the dragons do, maybe a small amount more vibration.
I think these wheels definitely have a purpose in the streets much like the dragons but I do 95% of my skating at the local park and the spitfire 97 just work better for me there. Overall they're great but my expectations were a little let down seeing as the 2 wheels are so similar.
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That's confusing because it seemed (from ben degros video and slap posts) like even the dragons slide much better than spit 97a? What's your experience, are your spits sliding better?

For me the spitfire 97 feel more like a normal f4 wheel that have a little extra grip and the dragons/x formula feel like a cruiser wheel you can do tricks on. Another thing I didn't mention was the spits are faster than the dragons/x formula on smooth ground imo. The slide on the dragons is very nice on the smooth ground at my local but it's harder to get into the slide than on crusty/imperfect ground. The spits on the other hand go into slides easier but feel less controlled when you're sliding. I see the difference between them as kinda similar to the round rail vs square rail debate ex: The dragons are a square rail, easier to lock in but less room for adjusting where as spit 97's are the round rail where it's scarier to get in but you have more maneuverability. I just prefer the ease of getting into the slide on the spits rather than the locked in feeling of the dragons/formula at my local. However if it's an actual street spot or something crusty the dragons/x formula are way better than the spits on that terrain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on December 30, 2022, 08:35:55 PM
^^^
Interesting. Almost everyone else I’ve heard talk about them (and my own experience on the prototypes) is that they slide better on rougher ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beepbeep on December 31, 2022, 08:49:02 AM
^^^
Interesting. Almost everyone else I’ve heard talk about them (and my own experience on the prototypes) is that they slide better on rougher ground.

That was my experience, caught me off guard, almost slid out on rougher asphalt just carving hard the first few times.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on December 31, 2022, 01:02:03 PM
^^^
Interesting. Almost everyone else I’ve heard talk about them (and my own experience on the prototypes) is that they slide better on rougher ground.


I also rode some of the prototypes and that's definitely the case with the dragon/x formula and what makes those wheels special. On rougher ground the dragons/x just roll over everything and slide amazing. If I skated actual street spots more often and had to cruise around more the dragons would be all I skate. It really doesn't make sense how they perform so well on rough ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on December 31, 2022, 01:08:33 PM
Apparently Spitfire is coming out with a new formula soon, planned for spring/summer 2023

from what I heard from my friend and DLX its called something like the "nutter" or "dutter" formula and its meant to be something similar to an OJ super juice 78A

not my kind of wheel but i see the growing market, and spitfire has really bad cruiser wheels as of current (cored 80HD chargers)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 31, 2022, 02:06:00 PM
If the street spot wasn't chunky I don't see why you'd want a Dragon or X-formula. Is that what you all mean- a crusty street spot? I mostly skate ledges and normal spots and can't see them having an advantage esp if it's a cement plaza or something.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on December 31, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
If the street spot wasn't chunky I don't see why you'd want a Dragon or X-formula. Is that what you all mean- a crusty street spot? I mostly skate ledges and normal spots and can't see them having an advantage esp if it's a cement plaza or something.

If you're at plaza or somewhere with decent ground then of course they're not ideal. The majority of the street spots where I'm at are pretty chewed up so I guess I should have prefaced that when I said "actual street spots". Personally, they only place the where the dragons/x formula weren't good was on super smooth ground. I didn't get enough drag on grinds or slides to slow down or pitch me like some people have but to each their own.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 31, 2022, 07:42:45 PM
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Beware Wet black top on new dragons.

I just did a 20-30' backside slider dragging my fingertips because some kook ass yuppies went to go gadget jersey barrier in front the exit of the parking garage. Trying to flex they security guard muscle on a mofo. Street was empty

A young on looker shouted AWESOME SPEED or something. Distraction needed to let it go with just some words.

Stupid fucking tourists tried to kill my ass. I was definitely heated but I chilled it
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Sounds like that would have been a glorious death.

It's supposed to be a meter maid in San Francisco or else the the prophecy won't be fulfilled. Has to be lots of other skaters watching and I gotta be like 90 years old. Must be cooking switch too.

The world is at stake here
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 31, 2022, 07:55:11 PM
Apparently Spitfire is coming out with a new formula soon, planned for spring/summer 2023

from what I heard from my friend and DLX its called something like the "nutter" or "dutter" formula and its meant to be something similar to an OJ super juice 78A

not my kind of wheel but i see the growing market, and spitfire has really bad cruiser wheels as of current (cored 80HD chargers)

I must have got a lucky set. My 80hd experience was positive AF. I had a set of Super Balls I copped at Brick house right before they closed. Local wheels I think. Lasted all the way to 2014 when I ripped the core out bombing down to a Rugg Road show. Probably Neighborhood Shit and Opposition Rising.

The next day I went and copped the natural 80hd at 53 and got them into the mid 40s by 2016. Then I met Dizzy and he hooked me up with an 8.5 one gig board and I copped all new shit including hard wheels to match.

I still got the 80hd wheels they're in good shape considering how small they got. I can slide them too but when you snap back to forward your still going the same speed as before more or less.

I feel they are more for cruising around against Chinatown traffic and shit. You know when slowing down or second guessing yourself means potential death. Light tricks like step hop... Step hop front big spin high speed back 80 pivot 360 and hill bomb Manny stuff.

Once the got small they did slappies better 

The Dragons feel pretty close to that in ride except they slide obviously. A little ruffer ride too.

Dragons remind me of the old Powell 95a formula from the late 80s on dusty Masonite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 31, 2022, 08:35:54 PM
Apparently Spitfire is coming out with a new formula soon, planned for spring/summer 2023

from what I heard from my friend and DLX its called something like the "nutter" or "dutter" formula and its meant to be something similar to an OJ super juice 78A

not my kind of wheel but i see the growing market, and spitfire has really bad cruiser wheels as of current (cored 80HD chargers)

Nice. I figured they'd up their soft wheel game at some point.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on January 01, 2023, 04:02:14 AM
If the street spot wasn't chunky I don't see why you'd want a Dragon or X-formula. Is that what you all mean- a crusty street spot? I mostly skate ledges and normal spots and can't see them having an advantage esp if it's a cement plaza or something.

Exactly what I would expect to hear from a Southern Californian.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on January 01, 2023, 04:13:45 AM
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Apparently Spitfire is coming out with a new formula soon, planned for spring/summer 2023

from what I heard from my friend and DLX its called something like the "nutter" or "dutter" formula and its meant to be something similar to an OJ super juice 78A

not my kind of wheel but i see the growing market, and spitfire has really bad cruiser wheels as of current (cored 80HD chargers)
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Nice. I figured they'd up their soft wheel game at some point.

I have some Mini Juice wheels are they are seriously great - just a ton of fun. If Spitfire wants my money, they could make something comparable in the ~52-55mm range, maybe something a little less cruiser and more dialed for "street" skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on January 01, 2023, 04:30:26 AM
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Apparently Spitfire is coming out with a new formula soon, planned for spring/summer 2023

from what I heard from my friend and DLX its called something like the "nutter" or "dutter" formula and its meant to be something similar to an OJ super juice 78A

not my kind of wheel but i see the growing market, and spitfire has really bad cruiser wheels as of current (cored 80HD chargers)
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Nice. I figured they'd up their soft wheel game at some point.
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I have some Mini Juice wheels are they are seriously great - just a ton of fun. If Spitfire wants my money, they could make something comparable in the ~52-55mm range, maybe something a little less cruiser and more dialed for "street" skating.

This. I still want to try the 87 Super Juice. Have the 78s on my cruiser.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 01, 2023, 08:31:24 AM
F4 Og classic 66s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 01, 2023, 12:58:13 PM
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If the street spot wasn't chunky I don't see why you'd want a Dragon or X-formula. Is that what you all mean- a crusty street spot? I mostly skate ledges and normal spots and can't see them having an advantage esp if it's a cement plaza or something.
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Exactly what I would expect to hear from a Southern Californian.

There is no asphalt here, we're all just doing loops in Poods indefinitely.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 01, 2023, 01:46:53 PM
I tried a bunch of wheels today at the diy.

X formula in 56mm is so nice. It's competitive with F4 99 a which is my favorite wheel. Colour was sick too. No tread on them as well.
Definitely recommend.
Then I tried the DF 60 mm rat bones. Insane how good those are. I think with dragons wider is better. Both wheels was wider than my 58mm rat bones 2
 
I'm happy af still tho. No body pain full day session on pretty gnarly ground with wood ramps and a bunch of slappie curbs. So fun. Glad it was 60⁰ almost in the first day of the year.

The apocalypse has never been so good. 

My impossibles on the bank are really good rn too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on January 01, 2023, 10:13:39 PM
I have no access to the new Bones wheels atm but got some OJ keyframes that I'm saving for my summer cruiser. Would the work in dusty wooden indoor skateparks, mostly for miniramp? Too grippy for that?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 01, 2023, 11:12:58 PM
I have no access to the new Bones wheels atm but got some OJ keyframes that I'm saving for my summer cruiser. Would the work in dusty wooden indoor skateparks, mostly for miniramp? Too grippy for that?


I would say as long as you don't go into it thinking they are going to skate like normal (harder) wheels, they should be fine.

Given that sort of wheel will feel slower and really grip a lot, just make sure anything that turns is landed correctly, more so than sliding the board around, but in general I have skated cruiser board wheels like those at slippery wooden parks and they still go well enough, but I did have to catch myself more than once when a harder wheel would have helped me land whatever it was I was trying.

Err on the side of caution for everything like that and feel the park out and you will get it easily enough - I would rather grip too much than slip out too much though, but that is just me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on January 01, 2023, 11:41:35 PM
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I have no access to the new Bones wheels atm but got some OJ keyframes that I'm saving for my summer cruiser. Would the work in dusty wooden indoor skateparks, mostly for miniramp? Too grippy for that?
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I would say as long as you don't go into it thinking they are going to skate like normal (harder) wheels, they should be fine.

Given that sort of wheel will feel slower and really grip a lot, just make sure anything that turns is landed correctly, more so than sliding the board around, but in general I have skated cruiser board wheels like those at slippery wooden parks and they still go well enough, but I did have to catch myself more than once when a harder wheel would have helped me land whatever it was I was trying.

Err on the side of caution for everything like that and feel the park out and you will get it easily enough - I would rather grip too much than slip out too much though, but that is just me.

Thanks! I've ridden the 78a before so I'm kind of used to softer wheels but they were way too grippy and sluggish for parks. I was wondering how different  the 87a would be so I decided to give them a try. I'm on 99d Spits right now so they will definitely feel different.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 02, 2023, 06:19:42 PM
Picked up the X 97 in 54mm V5.

I only skated them for half an hour, and it was 28 degrees. 

In the asphalt parking lot they were almost as smooth as the Dragons.  If I had never skated Dragons I would have been very impressed with them.

On the smooth park they were more normal feeling than the Dragons and a little faster.

Grip was good. Harder wheels get super slick sub freezing. I did some board slides, and they did stick a bit.  Didn’t do enough to get a good feel for them. 

Overall I’m quite happy with them.  They are perfect for me this time of year, where the Dragons still feel unnatural in the park, 101s and up are too slick, and they feel better than the F4 99s.

Time will tell when it warms up more, and I spend time in the bowls to gauge speed better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 03, 2023, 06:22:24 AM
What's the consensus on a wheel that doesn't slip around at an indoor? Dragons? I'm on Spit 97's and they're still slippery as shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on January 03, 2023, 07:03:24 AM
is there anything more slick than bones STF 104a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 03, 2023, 07:18:09 AM
I neeeed someone to tell me how the x formula slide compares to the stf 99a.
I can manage the sucky 99a, so if the x formula slides the same while being smoother, I'd be happy with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 03, 2023, 08:28:22 AM
is there anything more slick than bones STF 104a?

It depends on the surface. SPF are hard, but are designed to grip on smooth surfaces instead of slide. On super smooth concrete I slide better on STF 103. F4 101 will be more consistent than the SPF. Any boardslide / blunt slide / nose / tail is going to slide better on an STF or F4 101.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 03, 2023, 10:50:17 PM
I neeeed someone to tell me how the x formula slide compares to the stf 99a.
I can manage the sucky 99a, so if the x formula slides the same while being smoother, I'd be happy with them.

I find the slide to be better than the 99a stf IMO - I hate the stf 99a formula since they changed it...so sluggish. If you can manage the 99a you will be much happier with these with the added smoothness. I mentioned it in this thread prior, but I see no reason to ever touch the 99a STFs again when I can ride the x97s...

The caveat here being terrain...the dragon/bones x formula is the same, just different duros/branding and it's designed for shit terrain, where it excels...if you plan on taking these to smooth parks/smooth streets, you'd be better off with 99a spits...not that the x97s don't work in those situations, but if you are chasing a 'hard 99a' these are not the wheels you are looking for.

Once you get used to them, it's really hard to go back to other 99s (let alone 101s...hell, 99a spits feel like rocks after skating the 97s) if you are out in the streets, they're really jarring in comparison; I also don't mind giving up a little bit of speed/slide distance for the amount of spots they open up.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on January 04, 2023, 02:56:46 AM
What's the consensus on a wheel that doesn't slip around at an indoor? Dragons? I'm on Spit 97's and they're still slippery as shit.

I got Dragons especially for my dusty ass indoor and they work great. If slipping is your main concern, I'd go Dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Deadringer on January 04, 2023, 07:11:03 AM
Has anyone ever mixed up wheel durometer (this might need to go in the gear madness thread ;D )

Been thinking about 97a on the back and 99a on the front. Not too much difference but it would offer a bit more grip on the back and a little more slide on the front end. This looks dumb now i've typed it but interesting to see what the obvious (to other people) cons would be.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on January 04, 2023, 09:10:46 AM
ABD

(https://i.postimg.cc/QNvgnMRc/IMG-20200728-053134-01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MpS7qFZT/20200728-052913-HDR-01.jpg)

Rockstar Energy Mayhem Fest 7.75
Navigator 8" (front) + Indy 215 (back)
Ricta Crystals 45mm 101a(front) + OJ Little Doodies (back)
Bones Reds
Paradox grip
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 04, 2023, 09:57:11 AM
Has anyone ever mixed up wheel durometer (this might need to go in the gear madness thread ;D )

Been thinking about 97a on the back and 99a on the front. Not too much difference but it would offer a bit more grip on the back and a little more slide on the front end. This looks dumb now i've typed it but interesting to see what the obvious (to other people) cons would be.

Not a bad idea if you mostly slide/grind with the front. The softer duro will probably wear down faster, so that might turn into a problem someday. But maybe it doesn't even matter if the front wheels are 1-2mm smaller. Might be fun
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 04, 2023, 02:44:47 PM
ABD
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(https://i.postimg.cc/QNvgnMRc/IMG-20200728-053134-01.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MpS7qFZT/20200728-052913-HDR-01.jpg)

Rockstar Energy Mayhem Fest 7.75
Navigator 8" (front) + Indy 215 (back)
Ricta Crystals 45mm 101a(front) + OJ Little Doodies (back)
Bones Reds
Paradox grip
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Some Kev's Creation shit right here. I miss that show.

AtB with Joel Jr too. I wish that show had more episodes too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on January 05, 2023, 05:42:14 AM
I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on January 05, 2023, 06:10:00 AM
I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.

Ask over in the f4 thread- serious about shape discussion over there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on January 05, 2023, 06:25:43 AM
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I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.
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Ask over in the f4 thread- serious about shape discussion over there.

Will do! thanks man.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on January 07, 2023, 04:48:11 AM
Got the Keyframes and tested them indoors for a bit. They sure grip well but that will probably wear out a little after skating them more. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the shape, I thought they're symmetrical but not something I wouldn't get used to.
At first glance they seemed kinda cheaply made, toy skateboard wheels like almost, lol.  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on January 07, 2023, 06:22:40 AM
Got the Keyframes and tested them indoors for a bit. They sure grip well but that will probably wear out a little after skating them more. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the shape, I thought they're symmetrical but not something I wouldn't get used to.
At first glance they seemed kinda cheaply made, toy skateboard wheels like almost, lol.  ;D

Before dragons came out I had a couple sets of the keyframes. I thought they were great for the price and what I intended to use them for. A good in-between regular and super soft cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 07, 2023, 06:48:37 AM
I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.

It definitely does help rolling on crust to have more riding surface. Slides im not sure it matters away from concrete. When I'm in the park I like to be as tall and slim as possible.



I have a question.

Can someone help me find a 60mm og classic in F4? I seen the ones at orchard but I'm 99 sure they are Classic formula and I want F4. Preferably in 101 a but 99 is fine.

I feel like I'm chasing a wheel that no longer exists. I just got a few bucks and I want to put big wheels on ice ASAP.
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 07, 2023, 07:11:25 AM
Yeah I can't find.

Can someone plz help me find from a safe shop. I'm frightened that I'll order some knock offs.

F4 is mandatory
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on January 07, 2023, 08:42:49 AM
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I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.
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It definitely does help rolling on crust to have more riding surface. Slides im not sure it matters away from concrete. When I'm in the park I like to be as tall and slim as possible.



I have a question.

Can someone help me find a 60mm og classic in F4? I seen the ones at orchard but I'm 99 sure they are Classic formula and I want F4. Preferably in 101 a but 99 is fine.

I feel like I'm chasing a wheel that no longer exists. I just got a few bucks and I want to put big wheels on ice ASAP.

found some on relief, 99duro
https://reliefskatesupply.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-og-classic-wheels-99du-60mm-1

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on January 07, 2023, 08:57:34 AM
Yeah I can't find.

Can someone plz help me find from a safe shop. I'm frightened that I'll order some knock offs.

F4 is mandatory

Best bet might be searching 60mm Conical Full. Old 60mm classics were essentially conical/conical full. Don’t know about the OG CClassic 60mm availability. Best advice I have is ask over in the F4 thread. They know shit over there.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 07, 2023, 10:08:35 AM
Yeah I can't find.

Can someone plz help me find from a safe shop. I'm frightened that I'll order some knock offs.

F4 is mandatory

https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Classic-RedBronze-60mm-99a-x43594001.htm (https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Classic-RedBronze-60mm-99a-x43594001.htm)

99s again but a shop worth supporting, managed by a Slap Pal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chronicbackpain on January 07, 2023, 11:11:50 AM
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Yeah I can't find.

Can someone plz help me find from a safe shop. I'm frightened that I'll order some knock offs.

F4 is mandatory
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https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Classic-RedBronze-60mm-99a-x43594001.htm (https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Classic-RedBronze-60mm-99a-x43594001.htm)

99s again but a shop worth supporting, managed by a Slap Pal.
Those are F4 but just Classics and not OG Classics.

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I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.
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It definitely does help rolling on crust to have more riding surface. Slides im not sure it matters away from concrete. When I'm in the park I like to be as tall and slim as possible.



I have a question.

Can someone help me find a 60mm og classic in F4? I seen the ones at orchard but I'm 99 sure they are Classic formula and I want F4. Preferably in 101 a but 99 is fine.

I feel like I'm chasing a wheel that no longer exists. I just got a few bucks and I want to put big wheels on ice ASAP.
[close]

found some on relief, 99duro
https://reliefskatesupply.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-og-classic-wheels-99du-60mm-1


These are the right shape but are not F4.

The ones he’s looking for came out last in the summer ‘22 drop and are only in 99a.
(https://i.ibb.co/k8h9NMs/EBC54428-9-DB2-4288-A026-8532-C639062-D.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 07, 2023, 11:15:19 AM
Oh the OG classics. I have some  60mms set up right now. Not that that helps...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on January 07, 2023, 11:23:22 AM
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Yeah I can't find.

Can someone plz help me find from a safe shop. I'm frightened that I'll order some knock offs.

F4 is mandatory
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https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Classic-RedBronze-60mm-99a-x43594001.htm (https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Classic-RedBronze-60mm-99a-x43594001.htm)

99s again but a shop worth supporting, managed by a Slap Pal.
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Those are F4 but just Classics and not OG Classics.

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I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.
[close]

It definitely does help rolling on crust to have more riding surface. Slides im not sure it matters away from concrete. When I'm in the park I like to be as tall and slim as possible.



I have a question.

Can someone help me find a 60mm og classic in F4? I seen the ones at orchard but I'm 99 sure they are Classic formula and I want F4. Preferably in 101 a but 99 is fine.

I feel like I'm chasing a wheel that no longer exists. I just got a few bucks and I want to put big wheels on ice ASAP.
[close]

found some on relief, 99duro
https://reliefskatesupply.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-og-classic-wheels-99du-60mm-1


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These are the right shape but are not F4.

The ones he’s looking for came out last in the summer ‘22 drop and are only in 99a.
(https://i.ibb.co/k8h9NMs/EBC54428-9-DB2-4288-A026-8532-C639062-D.jpg)

maybe the image is wrong, but the wheels are listed as Formula Four in the URL and on the page. could double check with an email/insta message i'm sure

also geometric seems to have them as well, which again maybe email to make sure it's f4
https://www.geometricskateshop.com/products/spitfire-f4-99d-og-classic-wheels-60mm?_pos=4&_sid=44aa13591&_ss=r
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on January 07, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
Hey @Uncle Flea DM with your new addy if you want. I got something for you from my hoard.

Here's 60mm F4 OG Classics on Parade:
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-og-classics-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-99d-60mm-1-7605551137024/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on January 07, 2023, 12:23:02 PM
I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Will post over in the "questions that dont deserve a whole thread" if needed, but i figured all the dudes in the wheel thread would best be able to hash this SERIOUS matter out for me. lol thanks in advance.

Also worth a thought is the regular formula in 99a if the F4 feels a bit too hard in 99a. I’m not ultra in-tune with my setup and I swear I noticed it. Regular 99a from Spitfire feels a little better to me on rough ground vs. the f4.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on January 07, 2023, 01:51:19 PM
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Got the Keyframes and tested them indoors for a bit. They sure grip well but that will probably wear out a little after skating them more. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the shape, I thought they're symmetrical but not something I wouldn't get used to.
At first glance they seemed kinda cheaply made, toy skateboard wheels like almost, lol.  ;D
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Before dragons came out I had a couple sets of the keyframes. I thought they were great for the price and what I intended to use them for. A good in-between regular and super soft cruiser wheel.

Yup they seem pretty good for what I'm going to use them for. I was super happy with my super juice minis before. I still have to wait for some spring/summer cruising and see how they actually feel on different surfaces. What I meant before is that these wheels' finishing looks very machine made but that will probably wear out after some use.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: landedprimo on January 07, 2023, 01:55:33 PM
Yeah I can't find.

Can someone plz help me find from a safe shop. I'm frightened that I'll order some knock offs.

F4 is mandatory

Like these?
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=124977.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ol Nick on January 09, 2023, 01:11:59 PM
Yeah I can't find.

Can someone plz help me find from a safe shop. I'm frightened that I'll order some knock offs.

F4 is mandatory
https://www.geometricskateshop.com/products/spitfire-f4-99d-og-classic-wheels-60mm

Definitely not the type of spot you’d find fakes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 09, 2023, 09:03:00 PM
I’m having this really annoying problem with my rear truck on one side, the bearing keeps slipping out of the wheel ever so slightly after every slappy and locking the wheel up. I’ve had this happen on 95a 60mm OJ’s, 95a 57mm Dogtowns, and now tonight on some 60mm 93a Dragons (holy fuck the best wheels for indoor if you haven’t tried them buy them just for that reason they actually allow you to skate like you’re outside).

I’ve tried running spacers and those proved to be useless. The axle (AF1 44’s) is not bent. I tried tapping the axle itself real hard on the ground without the wheel on while keeping the other one on to see if maybe it was axle slip, but I don’t think that’s the problem as I couldn’t get it to “slip” and make the one with the wheel on seize up. I don’t recall this happening with 97a+ in hardness with spitfires or any other wheel.

Anyone ever experience this? Is it just the softer wheels not having a plastic core to hold the bearings in? Bearings I’m using are Bronson Raw’s which I never thought these things would be legit but they really are hauling ass and not seizing up on their own.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on January 10, 2023, 06:47:25 AM
I’m having this really annoying problem with my rear truck on one side, the bearing keeps slipping out of the wheel ever so slightly after every slappy and locking the wheel up. I’ve had this happen on 95a 60mm OJ’s, 95a 57mm Dogtowns, and now tonight on some 60mm 93a Dragons (holy fuck the best wheels for indoor if you haven’t tried them buy them just for that reason they actually allow you to skate like you’re outside).

I’ve tried running spacers and those proved to be useless. The axle (AF1 44’s) is not bent. I tried tapping the axle itself real hard on the ground without the wheel on while keeping the other one on to see if maybe it was axle slip, but I don’t think that’s the problem as I couldn’t get it to “slip” and make the one with the wheel on seize up. I don’t recall this happening with 97a+ in hardness with spitfires or any other wheel.

Anyone ever experience this? Is it just the softer wheels not having a plastic core to hold the bearings in? Bearings I’m using are Bronson Raw’s which I never thought these things would be legit but they really are hauling ass and not seizing up on their own.

Maybe try some Ricta cores if you can find a wheel that suits you

Edit, first link on google https://shop.ccs.com/products/ricta-crystal-cores-95a-skateboard-wheels-54mm?variant=39798543483063&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIosvdh5-9_AIVKyitBh1WKA7BEAQYAiABEgJRI_D_BwE
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BMCsteve on January 10, 2023, 07:22:02 AM
I’m having this really annoying problem with my rear truck on one side, the bearing keeps slipping out of the wheel ever so slightly after every slappy and locking the wheel up. I’ve had this happen on 95a 60mm OJ’s, 95a 57mm Dogtowns, and now tonight on some 60mm 93a Dragons (holy fuck the best wheels for indoor if you haven’t tried them buy them just for that reason they actually allow you to skate like you’re outside).

I’ve tried running spacers and those proved to be useless. The axle (AF1 44’s) is not bent. I tried tapping the axle itself real hard on the ground without the wheel on while keeping the other one on to see if maybe it was axle slip, but I don’t think that’s the problem as I couldn’t get it to “slip” and make the one with the wheel on seize up. I don’t recall this happening with 97a+ in hardness with spitfires or any other wheel.

Anyone ever experience this? Is it just the softer wheels not having a plastic core to hold the bearings in? Bearings I’m using are Bronson Raw’s which I never thought these things would be legit but they really are hauling ass and not seizing up on their own.

If it's only happening to that one side of a truck with different wheels, it's likely how you slappy.  I have the exact same thing with my rear heel side wheel no matter what wheel I use (even 99 spits).  A cored wheel will solve it and the ricta's noted above look great
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 10, 2023, 11:49:34 AM
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I’m having this really annoying problem with my rear truck on one side, the bearing keeps slipping out of the wheel ever so slightly after every slappy and locking the wheel up. I’ve had this happen on 95a 60mm OJ’s, 95a 57mm Dogtowns, and now tonight on some 60mm 93a Dragons (holy fuck the best wheels for indoor if you haven’t tried them buy them just for that reason they actually allow you to skate like you’re outside).

I’ve tried running spacers and those proved to be useless. The axle (AF1 44’s) is not bent. I tried tapping the axle itself real hard on the ground without the wheel on while keeping the other one on to see if maybe it was axle slip, but I don’t think that’s the problem as I couldn’t get it to “slip” and make the one with the wheel on seize up. I don’t recall this happening with 97a+ in hardness with spitfires or any other wheel.

Anyone ever experience this? Is it just the softer wheels not having a plastic core to hold the bearings in? Bearings I’m using are Bronson Raw’s which I never thought these things would be legit but they really are hauling ass and not seizing up on their own.
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If it's only happening to that one side of a truck with different wheels, it's likely how you slappy.  I have the exact same thing with my rear heel side wheel no matter what wheel I use (even 99 spits).  A cored wheel will solve it and the ricta's noted above look great

Well, with 97a-100a Spitfires I have never had this issue so I guess I'm gonna try out some cored wheels. I can't do those Rictas they look like some kind of Walmart wheel lol. I did some research and it looks like some OJ keyframes are what I need for grip at the indoor+no bearing slip since they're cored. Thanks for the replies guys.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Easy Slider on January 10, 2023, 01:47:41 PM
I didn‘t have it on Bones 100s nor Lil Smokies but have it on Spitfire Classics now. Sucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 10, 2023, 04:43:27 PM
I’m having this really annoying problem with my rear truck on one side, the bearing keeps slipping out of the wheel ever so slightly after every slappy and locking the wheel up. I’ve had this happen on 95a 60mm OJ’s, 95a 57mm Dogtowns, and now tonight on some 60mm 93a Dragons (holy fuck the best wheels for indoor if you haven’t tried them buy them just for that reason they actually allow you to skate like you’re outside).

I’ve tried running spacers and those proved to be useless. The axle (AF1 44’s) is not bent. I tried tapping the axle itself real hard on the ground without the wheel on while keeping the other one on to see if maybe it was axle slip, but I don’t think that’s the problem as I couldn’t get it to “slip” and make the one with the wheel on seize up. I don’t recall this happening with 97a+ in hardness with spitfires or any other wheel.

Anyone ever experience this? Is it just the softer wheels not having a plastic core to hold the bearings in? Bearings I’m using are Bronson Raw’s which I never thought these things would be legit but they really are hauling ass and not seizing up on their own.


You might have figured it out, as per other comments, but I would ask / check these things just to make sure:


1. Skate the board backwards (if possible) and do the same trick you do - slappies shouldn't need kicks or direction like some other tricks, but I don't know what you are riding.

2. Rotate the wheels and see if it is that position more so than one particular wheel

3. By using spacers and checking things are almost locked down (add a washer in the middle area with spacer if needed) so there is no play, does this solve the issue? 


Note:  I prefer to run normal bearings in wheels, no spacers with some play so am not a fan of this, but this is what I had to do with one set of wheels that the middle area was coming loose.  Ended up putting the Bones Race Reds in there - the ones with the built in spacers and it solved the problem with the wheels too.  Not saying you have to get those, but there are other brands that do them too, but they definitely solve any and all wheel bearing seat slip issues, even if it makes the board sound different, at least you will not have to deal with pushing the wheel back on correctly after every run.


Added this link just to show you, in case anyone doesn't know, they have the extra built in middle area, which acts like a spacer, only it is preventing any movement in the bearing, axle position, etc.  The "go fast down hills" type of people use them a lot, and I wasn't really that keen on them, but they worked for those wheels, so I came away with a different perspective after that.

https://bonesbearings.com/bones-reg-race-reds-reg-skateboard-bearings-8-pack



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on January 11, 2023, 07:47:54 AM
Are dragon formulas quieter like a normal soft wheel? Think indoor mini ramp in a garage with a shared wall
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FirstBlood82 on January 11, 2023, 08:39:20 AM
Are dragon formulas quieter like a normal soft wheel? Think indoor mini ramp in a garage with a shared wall

Very quiet
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 11, 2023, 08:48:23 AM
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I’m having this really annoying problem with my rear truck on one side, the bearing keeps slipping out of the wheel ever so slightly after every slappy and locking the wheel up. I’ve had this happen on 95a 60mm OJ’s, 95a 57mm Dogtowns, and now tonight on some 60mm 93a Dragons (holy fuck the best wheels for indoor if you haven’t tried them buy them just for that reason they actually allow you to skate like you’re outside).

I’ve tried running spacers and those proved to be useless. The axle (AF1 44’s) is not bent. I tried tapping the axle itself real hard on the ground without the wheel on while keeping the other one on to see if maybe it was axle slip, but I don’t think that’s the problem as I couldn’t get it to “slip” and make the one with the wheel on seize up. I don’t recall this happening with 97a+ in hardness with spitfires or any other wheel.

Anyone ever experience this? Is it just the softer wheels not having a plastic core to hold the bearings in? Bearings I’m using are Bronson Raw’s which I never thought these things would be legit but they really are hauling ass and not seizing up on their own.
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Added this link just to show you, in case anyone doesn't know, they have the extra built in middle area, which acts like a spacer, only it is preventing any movement in the bearing, axle position, etc.  The "go fast down hills" type of people use them a lot, and I wasn't really that keen on them, but they worked for those wheels, so I came away with a different perspective after that.

https://bonesbearings.com/bones-reg-race-reds-reg-skateboard-bearings-8-pack

I'm wondering how race reds work, since spacers are rarely the right size. Which wheels do race reds actually fit right? It must suck to get them and then you can't even fully get both bearings inside the wheel because the middle part of the wheel is too short. And if the middle part of the wheel is too long, you just paid more money to get regular reds...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 11, 2023, 08:52:45 AM
I've fit race reds into the 54mm Dragons, the 55mm Spitfire Conical Fulls, Spitfire 52mm classics, and Bones 60mm V5s. They all fit no problem with the nut flush on the axle end(all on Indy trucks). You just have to run without speed rings, which is how they're designed to be used.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 11, 2023, 10:43:03 AM
My locals don't have any race reds, as most skate shops have no reason to carry them probably. In one of those moods where I don't wanna wait for shit to come in the mail so I am trying some 87a keyframes that my local has, as BMCsteve suggested I hope the plastic core will stop the bearing slippage.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 11, 2023, 12:55:23 PM
I've fit race reds into the 54mm Dragons, the 55mm Spitfire Conical Fulls, Spitfire 52mm classics, and Bones 60mm V5s. They all fit no problem with the nut flush on the axle end(all on Indy trucks). You just have to run without speed rings, which is how they're designed to be used.

My race reds fit great in dragons. I only used them given how soft the wheel is so I could lock them down; as for no speed ring usage, that depends on the truck and wheel width...I use one extra speed ring on the inside with my dragons so the nut is flush with end of axle.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 11, 2023, 04:02:47 PM
I've fit race reds into the 54mm Dragons, the 55mm Spitfire Conical Fulls, Spitfire 52mm classics, and Bones 60mm V5s. They all fit no problem with the nut flush on the axle end(all on Indy trucks). You just have to run without speed rings, which is how they're designed to be used.

Of course they fit, but do the insides actually touch? Because if they don't, they're just like regular reds. That's what I'm wondering
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 11, 2023, 04:36:57 PM
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I've fit race reds into the 54mm Dragons, the 55mm Spitfire Conical Fulls, Spitfire 52mm classics, and Bones 60mm V5s. They all fit no problem with the nut flush on the axle end(all on Indy trucks). You just have to run without speed rings, which is how they're designed to be used.
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Of course they fit, but do the insides actually touch? Because if they don't, they're just like regular reds. That's what I'm wondering

Each bearing has a 1/2 extended inner race that essentially replaces the spacers you would get with a swiss package. If you have a wheel that has such a large gap between the bearing seats that they don't touch when running a spacer, I would retire them and get some that fit to standard spec.

From Bones:

"Each Bones Race REDS Bearings is made with upgraded top quality bearing steel, ground to perfection and polished, best for racers who use precision trucks and properly tighten their axle nuts

Precision ground 0.200 built in spacer to provide perfect 0.400 spacing between bearings.

Precision ground extended race eliminates the need for speed washers, and provides better alignment of the bearings when the axle nut is tightened."



I think the reason you might not see many folks running these is they're more of a longboarding/speedboarding approach to bearing fitment where you need a precise alignment of the bearing for 35mph+ speeds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 11, 2023, 09:29:58 PM
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I've fit race reds into the 54mm Dragons, the 55mm Spitfire Conical Fulls, Spitfire 52mm classics, and Bones 60mm V5s. They all fit no problem with the nut flush on the axle end(all on Indy trucks). You just have to run without speed rings, which is how they're designed to be used.
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Of course they fit, but do the insides actually touch? Because if they don't, they're just like regular reds. That's what I'm wondering


I guess with some other spacers, the spacer can vary in size, but those Race Reds bearings seemed to hit the spot, so to speak, as they appeared to fit perfectly in any set of wheels I tried them in while I still had them.

When the board with those wheels was passed on to someone else, I left the bearings in the wheels, to stop the next owner from having similar issues.



My locals don't have any race reds, as most skate shops have no reason to carry them probably. In one of those moods where I don't wanna wait for shit to come in the mail so I am trying some 87a keyframes that my local has, as BMCsteve suggested I hope the plastic core will stop the bearing slippage.



At least there is an option if or when you might want to try them in the future.  I am not a guy to endorse any particular products - I like what I like and everyone has their own opinions, but that sort of bearing with the extented inner, no matter what the brand, could be a good fix for you.

I am curious if it happens in other wheels now too.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 12, 2023, 03:53:52 AM
Makes sense, I didn't know if the problem of spacers rarely fitting wheels right is because of poor spacer or wheel tolerances. If most cheap spacers are at fault, I can see the race reds working perfectly.

While it's still hard to believe that companies get the spacer size wrong. It must be a lot harder to make precise bearing seats in wheels than making a precise spacer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on January 12, 2023, 07:30:57 AM
Can someone explain to me what is up with my OJ Wheels + Bronson Beaerings combo, maybe it is because the wheels are very wide?
they are 58mm Natas OJ wheel with Bronson G3 bearings. I used all the spacers and rings in between and outside. I can tighten the nut fully and there is the tiniest bit of play but its absolutely perfect. where normally, this has been my experience in 25 years of skating, when i set up wheels / bearings, i have to back off from tightening the nut fully on because otherwise there is NO play at all and the wheel just cannot spin. whats different about this combo? is it because i have the spacers? or because the wheels are wider? it was both on Indy 159 + Ace 60s i believe the same thing happens (currently its on the Aces i can confirm this happens) not complaining, just interesting
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on January 12, 2023, 07:58:27 AM
Makes sense, I didn't know if the problem of spacers rarely fitting wheels right is because of poor spacer or wheel tolerances. If most cheap spacers are at fault, I can see the race reds working perfectly.

While it's still hard to believe that companies get the spacer size wrong. It must be a lot harder to make precise bearing seats in wheels than making a precise spacer.

It’s incredibly hard to make precise bearing seats in wheels because of the amount shrink as the urethane cures is difficult to account for. Slight variations in temperature and humidity causes the urethane to shrink at different rates even within the same batch. Not to mention the expansion and contraction the finished product can go through during shipping and storage whether it be at the distributor or in the shop case itself.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on January 12, 2023, 10:29:01 AM
Can someone explain to me what is up with my OJ Wheels + Bronson Beaerings combo, maybe it is because the wheels are very wide?
they are 58mm Natas OJ wheel with Bronson G3 bearings. I used all the spacers and rings in between and outside. I can tighten the nut fully and there is the tiniest bit of play but its absolutely perfect. where normally, this has been my experience in 25 years of skating, when i set up wheels / bearings, i have to back off from tightening the nut fully on because otherwise there is NO play at all and the wheel just cannot spin. whats different about this combo? is it because i have the spacers? or because the wheels are wider? it was both on Indy 159 + Ace 60s i believe the same thing happens (currently its on the Aces i can confirm this happens) not complaining, just interesting

It is because you have spacers in wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 14, 2023, 09:34:06 AM
Thank pals. I'm ordering the wheels tonight.

I'm rebuilding my peace chest. Everything I had on ice is gone or in play.

I do appreciate y'all very much and I hope y'all are having a good day
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on January 15, 2023, 03:39:16 AM
Anyone else chime in on Spitfire F4 97 vs Bones X97’s ?

Which is faster on smooth parks?

Hard to say what I’m looking for.

(I expect both will handle crust as a given.. I went from Keyframes to F4s which is quite a big gap in feel but “close enough” for what I was looking for).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 15, 2023, 06:02:49 AM
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I've fit race reds into the 54mm Dragons, the 55mm Spitfire Conical Fulls, Spitfire 52mm classics, and Bones 60mm V5s. They all fit no problem with the nut flush on the axle end(all on Indy trucks). You just have to run without speed rings, which is how they're designed to be used.
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Of course they fit, but do the insides actually touch? Because if they don't, they're just like regular reds. That's what I'm wondering

I don’t believe the the races touch in the middle, at least not on all wheels, but the extra surface area of the larger inner race is what keeps the bearings seated. They don’t have to butt into each other to work. Basically, the longer race makes it harder for the bearings to twist around in the seat. Better execution of the spacer concept. Plus you don’t really need washers. They’re great bearings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 15, 2023, 10:04:00 AM
First day on the 52mm dragons:

I measured them before putting them on and all of them were between 51.65 and 51.75 mm. Bones wheels usually come a bit bigger than advertised, so that's kind of weird. My 54mm 103 stf were all around 54.2 mm.

I'm super happy with these, they made my local park fun again. Extremely smooth and fast on terrible ground and I can still do crooked grinds on the worst angle iron ledges without any problems. Of course there's a bit more drag, but it's way better than expected.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on January 15, 2023, 12:24:11 PM
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I've fit race reds into the 54mm Dragons, the 55mm Spitfire Conical Fulls, Spitfire 52mm classics, and Bones 60mm V5s. They all fit no problem with the nut flush on the axle end(all on Indy trucks). You just have to run without speed rings, which is how they're designed to be used.
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Of course they fit, but do the insides actually touch? Because if they don't, they're just like regular reds. That's what I'm wondering
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I don’t believe the the races touch in the middle, at least not on all wheels, but the extra surface area of the larger inner race is what keeps the bearings seated. They don’t have to butt into each other to work. Basically, the longer race makes it harder for the bearings to twist around in the seat. Better execution of the spacer concept. Plus you don’t really need washers. They’re great bearings.

I had issues fitting them in properly to spitfires, the cores were inconsistent.  I enjoy this set up also because yeah, it's easier to swap stuff out when all you have is two bearings and an axel nut. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 15, 2023, 05:02:01 PM
Just ordered some 60mm Rat Bones in the Dragon formula. Trying these out as an ATV counter part to the 60mm Bones SPF on my 9.05 setup.

Hopefully they won’t be too chonky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 15, 2023, 05:43:21 PM
Just ordered some 60mm Rat Bones in the Dragon formula. Trying these out as an ATV counter part to the 60mm Bones SPF on my 9.05 setup.

Hopefully they won’t be too chonky.

I’ve been skating those for a couple weeks and they are less chunky than I expected they would be. Not saying they are nimble, but not too bad
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 15, 2023, 08:16:12 PM
One of my buddies was riding some ~54mm dragons at the park the other day. He had no problem getting enough speed to catch some good airs in the big bowl. I’m pretty sold on them after that and will probably get a set when my current crust wheels are done
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 15, 2023, 08:21:05 PM
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Just ordered some 60mm Rat Bones in the Dragon formula. Trying these out as an ATV counter part to the 60mm Bones SPF on my 9.05 setup.

Hopefully they won’t be too chonky.
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I’ve been skating those for a couple weeks and they are less chunky than I expected they would be. Not saying they are nimble, but not too bad

That's great to hear, I think after trying 5+ sets of Spitfire wheels over the past year, I can say they don't really work for me. Bones SPF is faster in the bowls and while F4 is nice on glassy pristine street spots, it's just too hard for 90% of my street riding.

It's a shame, since I just picked up some of the multi-color Evan Smith 55mm conical fulls in the little wood box. 2 sessions later I was back on Dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on January 16, 2023, 02:55:28 AM
Anyone else chime in on Spitfire F4 97 vs Bones X97’s ?

Which is faster on smooth parks?

Hard to say what I’m looking for.

(I expect both will handle crust as a given.. I went from Keyframes to F4s which is quite a big gap in feel but “close enough” for what I was looking for).

or even F4 97 vs. Dragons (I think Ben Degros did this comparison maybe)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 16, 2023, 06:04:21 AM
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Just ordered some 60mm Rat Bones in the Dragon formula. Trying these out as an ATV counter part to the 60mm Bones SPF on my 9.05 setup.

Hopefully they won’t be too chonky.
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I’ve been skating those for a couple weeks and they are less chunky than I expected they would be. Not saying they are nimble, but not too bad
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That's great to hear, I think after trying 5+ sets of Spitfire wheels over the past year, I can say they don't really work for me. Bones SPF is faster in the bowls and while F4 is nice on glassy pristine street spots, it's just too hard for 90% of my street riding.

It's a shame, since I just picked up some of the multi-color Evan Smith 55mm conical fulls in the little wood box. 2 sessions later I was back on Dragons.

Yeah, I spend the majority of my time skating through the city and stopping from spot to spot so I would carry cruiser wheels and f4 and switch off depending on where is was. Dragons have been a nice middle ground so I don’t have to lug extra stuff around
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bruiser603 on January 16, 2023, 09:24:59 AM
Anyone else chime in on Spitfire F4 97 vs Bones X97’s ?

Which is faster on smooth parks?

Hard to say what I’m looking for.

(I expect both will handle crust as a given.. I went from Keyframes to F4s which is quite a big gap in feel but “close enough” for what I was looking for).

For smooth parks, the Formula Fours are faster in my experience.  I'm probably way over thinking this, but the X formula's have a higher rebound and a bit more 'give' than the spitfires.  I think the 'give' is great for absorption of impact and rougher surfaces, but the double edge is a minor loss of speed after an impact or pumping.  Is it crazy noticeable to me?  Naw.  I think they are both awesome wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 16, 2023, 09:28:17 AM
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Anyone else chime in on Spitfire F4 97 vs Bones X97’s ?

Which is faster on smooth parks?

Hard to say what I’m looking for.

(I expect both will handle crust as a given.. I went from Keyframes to F4s which is quite a big gap in feel but “close enough” for what I was looking for).
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or even F4 97 vs. Dragons (I think Ben Degros did this comparison maybe)

F4 97 vs Dragons:

They both serve different purposes and one doesn't outperform the other; it depends on your needs.

F4 97s feel like a more forgiving F4 99. There's less vibration and it feels smoother on rougher grounds. However the differences can feel marginal to some people. I think you'll find a bigger difference with the wider shapes (conical full, radial full, etc) since they can push through rough ground way better than the classic shape. I wouldn't use this wheel as a cruiser wheel though, it's not designed for that but it's for those that like F4s but want something slightly softer for rough terrain.

Dragons are what wheels companies have been trying to perfect for years: a soft/hard wheel hybrid. Biggest difference between them and something like a Ricta Cloud is that Dragons have a traditional hard wheel slide while the others have a very grippy soft wheel slide that can be difficult to overcome. For Dragons, they still feel like a hard wheel but there's a lot less vibration and you'll roll for longer compared to a traditional hard wheel. You can definitely use these for a cruiser board, but personally I would still use a softer wheel for that (~78a).

Dragons do have downsides though. Some people have said they have had drag when doing ledge tricks which made them go back to F4s; personally I haven't have this problem. Dragons are very limited in sizes, shapes, and graphics. A few of my friends have also complained that the wheels are way to quiet and they prefer the loud noises hard wheels produce.

For smooth parks, they're both great and fast. I honestly didn't find too much of a difference between them. I want to say the Dragons gripped a bit better than the F4 97s especially when going fast or coming back down from an air, but I can't say for sure.

Personally here's how I would choose:

If you find yourself spending most of your skating in the few same places, don't want to dwell too far from Spitfire and familiarity, and skate crust here and there, go with F4 97s.

If you find yourself pushing everywhere and constantly having to walk though rough areas because your current wheels can't roll though them, don't have a cruiser board, or wanted to look into a hybrid wheel, go with Dragons.

Or flip a coin :v
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roll_dog on January 16, 2023, 12:39:11 PM
Do Dragons make other wheels in the in-between 86a-92a range like keyframes obsolete/pointless?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 16, 2023, 12:55:39 PM
Just ordered some 60mm Rat Bones in the Dragon formula. Trying these out as an ATV counter part to the 60mm Bones SPF on my 9.05 setup.

Hopefully they won’t be too chonky.

I tried them on a polarizer. So sick. Probably my second favorite wheel I've never owned. Not as big as I remember them to be. I feel like the shrunk them down a little for a past reissue perhaps for this drop? I remember them being bigger and that probably why the street Bones/rat bone 2 shapes happened.


If you don't like those 60s I'd definitely recommend 58. They're thinner than my Mullen v2 in 54mm by what looks like 4mm or so. Slide almost too good at times. I'm very stoked to have them though next time I'm going bigger and wider. Probably going to roll forever though.
 I put 20-25 miles on them and still seeing a faint trace of the tread on one wheel. I burn like an average of 10mm of f4 a year. Treads should be long gone.

Testament to this killer 100% street product? Idk yet but Who would have thought Powell would do that? Make an everlasting street product. Especially since their riders are nearly always in the parks filming YouTube on harder formulas.

Thank you Powell
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Hypnotoad on January 16, 2023, 02:07:10 PM
Does anyone else have a hard time with F4 because they look gross?  I’ve historically been bothered by nasty old yellow wheels, and f4 kinda look that way from the get go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 16, 2023, 02:51:04 PM
No. I love the potato brown/ yellowish color of F4s.
 It is actually closer to natural urethane. The more off white, the better the wheel (in my mind). I can't stand bright white wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on January 16, 2023, 03:16:58 PM
Anyone else chime in on Spitfire F4 97 vs Bones X97’s ?

Which is faster on smooth parks?

Hard to say what I’m looking for.

(I expect both will handle crust as a given.. I went from Keyframes to F4s which is quite a big gap in feel but “close enough” for what I was looking for).

I haven't ridden them yet, but I've ridden Dragons which are the same formula but softer (they feel like ~97a to me when riding).

Compared to F4 97a...

Personally I found Dragons grip better on slick black top (but still slide), and slide better on every type of ground. It's crazy how well they slide on chunky ground. For what it's worth, I've slid out on F4 97a numerous times.

Dragons were also notably faster on pretty much every terrain, especially smooth ground. In terms of speed, Dragons feel like a 99a F4 on smooth ground, while F4 97a felt very sluggish to me. The lack of speed and ground slide killed F4 97a for me.

I think the F4 97a might have been slightly smoother of a ride, but its a toss up. F4 97a roll up/over cracks a little smoother and maintain speed in that way better. But overall on every surface dragons were faster for me.

They both bulldoze through pebbles. It's pretty awesome skating through a rocky alley and hearing pebbles spray against the walls on both sides of you. Was really impressed by both wheels in that regard. If you're going fast enough you probably won't eat shit due to a pebble.

I've heard people have weirdly different experiences than me with both of them... But for me it's night and day, Dragons take the cake.

I haven't ridden the Bones 97a... But I'm sure they're fine. Probably faster, but not as good for crusty cruising. If you live somewhere really crusty I would start with Dragons, get used to the slide for a week or two, and try something else if you really don't like it. Took me a solid week or two to adjust but it was worth it.

I've grown to appreciate the extra grip that keeps you from sliding out. I can really lean into reverts and such without worrying about going too far. You have to exert a bit more power, but you can be a bit more lazy overall and not really worry about slipping out as much.

Like others have said, its a bit sticky for grinds, but that is the only glaring downside. I don't have many grind spots around me, so I can't comment on that except for it definitely makes a squeaky friction sound if you crosslock a 50-50 and pinch it together. Definitely slows you down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manysnakes on January 16, 2023, 04:05:09 PM
Do Dragons make other wheels in the in-between 86a-92a range like keyframes obsolete/pointless?

I have the Dragons and OJ Mini Juice, and the OJs are definitely much more “fun”, in the “let’s get weird with it” sense of things. Dragons do let me skate some crusty spots, but the soft wheels let me glide over all kinds of fun shit. I haven’t had the Dragons on a deck in six months but I take the Minis out with my almost every time I skate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 69woodpusher69 on January 16, 2023, 04:11:00 PM
i hit the ol ebay when i was high as fuck last week and i completely forgot for some reason in my marijuana stupor that i ordered 63mm 99a spitfire big heads. i dont have a setup for these but thought they looked bad ass, what should i build up to throw these babies on?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on January 16, 2023, 06:20:36 PM
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Do Dragons make other wheels in the in-between 86a-92a range like keyframes obsolete/pointless?
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I have the Dragons and OJ Mini Juice, and the OJs are definitely much more “fun”, in the “let’s get weird with it” sense of things. Dragons do let me skate some crusty spots, but the soft wheels let me glide over all kinds of fun shit. I haven’t had the Dragons on a deck in six months but I take the Minis out with my almost every time I skate.

I have a Grimple Mini Beach Bum on Ace 00's with 54 Mini Juice and it is the fastest, scariest board I've owned in a ridiculously fun way. I always think I'm about to die and I refuse to adjust the trucks. There is a street near me that always has pebbles in the bike lane and when I'm skating to the store I can hear the wheels flick the pebbles into the street.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 17, 2023, 01:28:10 AM
Does anyone else have a hard time with F4 because they look gross?  I’ve historically been bothered by nasty old yellow wheels, and f4 kinda look that way from the get go.
wheels that are too white look really weird/ unnatural to me, then again I love loopholes which basically turn the color of dirty rootbeer after a few sessions
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on January 17, 2023, 02:22:09 AM
What’s the Powell equivalent to a 54mm conical full in this formula?

How are they on transition?

Fucks sake... gear madness, probably don’t need another wheel man
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 17, 2023, 03:57:26 AM
Does anyone else have a hard time with F4 because they look gross?  I’ve historically been bothered by nasty old yellow wheels, and f4 kinda look that way from the get go.


From a shop perspective, any decent brand wheel that has been sitting under UV lights for a while (even Bones wheels) ended up with some discolouration which was more pronounced in packets where some of the wheel was showing and some was not.

Most of those wheels couldn't be sold, or people didn't want them, but quite a few guys (myself included) often found they skated better than the bright new ones, both feeling more consistent and having fewer issues, so I tend to go more for those wheels anyway, the belief being that as the urethane cures, it gets better with age.

I do understand what you are saying, as well as what others are saying too, some knowing they will skate better, or other people not wanting "potatoes" or "onions" as they have called them.

Given a lot of the cheaper wheels are now way more common in the bright white colour and have issues with flatspots, bad performance on some surfaces and whatever else, I can also see why people don't want the bright white any more, but Bones going from what seemed like really good urethane compounds in white, to something in a weird mix and dirty colour seemed like more a mistake than anything else.

Spitfire though, specifically Formula Four, does have the ups and downs with the colour, some sets being way lighter and some way darker of what ever natural is these days.  That might also have something to do with how long they have been sitting under shop lights or whatever too, but the newer ones coming out more recently don't seem half as dark as some others from a while back.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 17, 2023, 05:34:57 AM
Do Dragons make other wheels in the in-between 86a-92a range like keyframes obsolete/pointless?

I stand by my original review that they’re like Keyframes you can slide a little. We’ve had weeks of rain, so I haven’t been able to take the X97s out to compare, but yeah, the Dragons are a much more versatile and fun Keyframe to me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on January 17, 2023, 06:55:37 AM
What’s the Powell equivalent to a 54mm conical full in this formula?

How are they on transition?

Fucks sake... gear madness, probably don’t need another wheel man

V6 54mm. Haven't seriously skated transition with them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on January 17, 2023, 09:52:17 AM
Thanks :0) can’t find v6 in 54 anywhere though... not sure it’s an option.

I hate slim wheels so think I might need to wait, or look at some v4 in person :/

Or just stick with what I got rarr
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on January 17, 2023, 10:12:06 AM
Thanks :0) can’t find v6 in 54 anywhere though... not sure it’s an option.

I hate slim wheels so think I might need to wait, or look at some v4 in person :/

Or just stick with what I got rarr


The Dragons only come in 56mm V6, the X Formula have a 54mm V6.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on January 17, 2023, 10:22:08 AM
I posted a little while back that I was unimpressed with X Formula but chalked it up to trying to break them in at smooth park. After cruising around on them and wearing off that first layer they're way better now. For some reason they were stickier than the dragons at first but now that they're broken in they slide great. The other observations I had about them (faster than dragons/about the same ability to ride and slide over crusty ground) are still holding true but with the slide unlocked now these things are what I was hoping they'd be: a harder and faster feeling dragon formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2023, 10:39:13 AM
I’m still on x97s (since launch), after dragons since their launch, with a week stint back on 99a spits…

As a marketing bullet point the whole “skate longer” came across as bullshit, but for me, I really can skate longer per session with the dragons/x97s before my legs become fatigued…they’re like cupsoles for your board.

Agree on the slide; I didn’t like the dragons slide all that much but the x97s felt better out of the gate but broke in whereas the dragons just feel the same new or with mileage.

The only drawback to the x97s is they feel a tad slow in smooth park (bowls), still 100% serviceable tho, they grip well. I still prefer SPF or OJ elite for those situations (spf being slicker, OJs grippier).

The real magic is spot to spot skating, and the spots they open up. If you can get over yourself about what you think you should ride they might be perfect for you.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 17, 2023, 12:51:10 PM
So I got these 92a Dial Tone Mfg wheels for indoor season and it was a nice surprise seeing they had plastic cores to alleviate bearings slipping out, but wtf is up with the way these are cut? the one side has a lip that's higher than the rest of the wheel and a straighter cut on the side with no graphic, plus treading on the non-graphic side which is bizarre. Google images shows these are cut like this intentionally so it doesn't appear to be a defect. Thoughts?

(https://i.imgur.com/zEz79mcl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xC3Sbqml.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2023, 12:52:50 PM
Is every wheel like that/does the lip with the raise bit stay that size all the way down the side?

Looks like a sloppy run to me?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 17, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
It's every wheel, yeah. When you google it all the wheels are cut like this.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 17, 2023, 01:44:34 PM
Seems like most people concur that the 97 x formula still drag on grinds on metal etc vs f4s. More like a dragon than a hard wheel in that regard. Was my experience with preproduction ones too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2023, 02:23:55 PM
For me they can’t be beat cruising my area and hitting spots at random (with maglites and a slick).

If I’m skating ledges or bars I.e. metal it’s usually park (or when I’d hit the courthouse with 99s) and I’m on 101s.

Right tool for the job.

I’d not recommend them for tech ledge plaza skaters or anyone that uses reverts often on smooth Crete.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on January 17, 2023, 03:32:32 PM
So I got these 92a Dial Tone Mfg wheels for indoor season and it was a nice surprise seeing they had plastic cores to alleviate bearings slipping out, but wtf is up with the way these are cut? the one side has a lip that's higher than the rest of the wheel and a straighter cut on the side with no graphic, plus treading on the non-graphic side which is bizarre. Google images shows these are cut like this intentionally so it doesn't appear to be a defect. Thoughts?

(https://i.imgur.com/zEz79mcl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xC3Sbqml.png)

That is a result of how they are manufactured. They mold one side of the wheel along with the riding surface and the bearing seat, and then they take it out of the mold and machine the other side
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 17, 2023, 04:49:06 PM
So I got these 92a Dial Tone Mfg wheels for indoor season and it was a nice surprise seeing they had plastic cores to alleviate bearings slipping out, but wtf is up with the way these are cut? the one side has a lip that's higher than the rest of the wheel and a straighter cut on the side with no graphic, plus treading on the non-graphic side which is bizarre. Google images shows these are cut like this intentionally so it doesn't appear to be a defect. Thoughts?



Depending on how they skate, you might not even notice it, or if you do, maybe one good session doing quite a few carvy turns on moderately rough ground might take that edge off.

Either that or my trusty angle grinder just to take the inside edge down a bit, but ever so gently because soft wheels usually wear way faster than harder wheels when working on them like that.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on January 17, 2023, 05:03:08 PM
My NFG 95a squares had the ridge like those dialtones but not as pronounced. Kinda sloppy not to clean that up after pulling from the mold but wears off flat quick enough.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 18, 2023, 06:05:36 AM
Thanks fellas. Yeah it finally stopped raining so i'll take some breaks from work today and wear em down outside. That was the plan but just wanted some input from some pals. Cheers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 18, 2023, 11:08:38 AM
Here's how the 60mm Rat Bones with the Dragon formula fit on indy 169s with the 9.05 flight deck. They stick out more than the P5 shapes, those are tucked under the board rail. The Rat Bones seem to be out by 1/16th or so. It's a monster wheel for sure and it's wildly faster than the 88a Alva conicals I'm usually cruising on. It feels like how 84b SPF rides on smooth concrete, but on asphalt.

I'm recovering from a rib injury, but I'm really curious to see how these stack up against the 84bs in the park. I'm sure it'll be slower, but to what degree is what I'll find out. For now, this is a great ATV.

(https://i.imgur.com/QnEdTue.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QHGakgF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gNOrc9D.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 18, 2023, 06:00:31 PM
Here's how the 60mm Rat Bones with the Dragon formula fit on indy 169s with the 9.05 flight deck. They stick out more than the P5 shapes for sure, those are tucked under the board rail. The Rat Bones seem to be out by 1/16th or so. It's a monster wheel for sure and it's wildly faster than the 88a Alva conicals I'm usually cruising on. It feels like how 84b SPF rides on smooth concrete, but on asphalt.

I'm recovering from a rib injury, but I'm really curious to see how these stack up against the 84bs in the park. I'm sure it'll be slower, but to what degree is what I'll find out. For now, this is a great ATV.




Nice pics!

They sure do sit out a bit.

I find they fit really well on some old school type 10" boards on 169s, where other wheels would sit in too much.

In the same way Mini Cubic wheels can be put on 139 trucks and still fit on the same 10" boards.


Depending on your needs, some 149 or 159s would make them work nicely on a not so wide board like the one you have there, but they would still skate fine on that set up.  Just make sure when you push, you keep your feet away from the wider wheel path.

Been collected there before.


Anyway, those wheels in that size will be super smooth and good for (almost) everything - going fast, not slipping out, even sliding when you push it enough.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 18, 2023, 07:32:30 PM
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Here's how the 60mm Rat Bones with the Dragon formula fit on indy 169s with the 9.05 flight deck. They stick out more than the P5 shapes for sure, those are tucked under the board rail. The Rat Bones seem to be out by 1/16th or so. It's a monster wheel for sure and it's wildly faster than the 88a Alva conicals I'm usually cruising on. It feels like how 84b SPF rides on smooth concrete, but on asphalt.

I'm recovering from a rib injury, but I'm really curious to see how these stack up against the 84bs in the park. I'm sure it'll be slower, but to what degree is what I'll find out. For now, this is a great ATV.


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Nice pics!

They sure do sit out a bit.

I find they fit really well on some old school type 10" boards on 169s, where other wheels would sit in too much.

In the same way Mini Cubic wheels can be put on 139 trucks and still fit on the same 10" boards.


Depending on your needs, some 149 or 159s would make them work nicely on a not so wide board like the one you have there, but they would still skate fine on that set up.  Just make sure when you push, you keep your feet away from the wider wheel path.

Been collected there before.


Anyway, those wheels in that size will be super smooth and good for (almost) everything - going fast, not slipping out, even sliding when you push it enough.

Ah, that makes sense now, I can definitely see them fitting shaped decks with wheel wells better. I had read they slimmed down the profile with the Dragon formula version, but it's still a wide outset.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Bruiser603 on January 20, 2023, 05:37:28 AM
I’m still on x97s (since launch), after dragons since their launch, with a week stint back on 99a spits…

As a marketing bullet point the whole “skate longer” came across as bullshit, but for me, I really can skate longer per session with the dragons/x97s before my legs become fatigued…they’re like cupsoles for your board.

I've had the exact same experience and totally agree.  I love my 58 mm 99a Og classics, but I can't skate as long and I end up agitating recurring injuries when I skate them (Certain joints can't handle impacts for long anymore).  I hate having to mostly retire the 99's in order to skate, but if I want to skate for as long as possible, I have to use these newer high rebound formula's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on January 20, 2023, 05:40:35 AM
Does anyone else have a hard time with F4 because they look gross?  I’ve historically been bothered by nasty old yellow wheels, and f4 kinda look that way from the get go.

As with most things, I prefer them natural.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on January 20, 2023, 08:17:57 AM
What’s the Powell equivalent to a 54mm conical full in this formula?

How are they on transition?

Fucks sake... gear madness, probably don’t need another wheel man

I got Bones STF 99a V6 Ben Koppl 54mm on a sale. They’re really good for my use.
The V6 is the widest conical wheel they offer, and it basically has a wider patch than my 57 mm spit radials.
As for how they skate, at tricks I wouldn’t know as I’ve hardly learned any yet. They’re stickier than F4 99a, and I see that as a positive. I skate a dusty indoor concrete/plywood.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on January 20, 2023, 08:51:01 PM
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What’s the Powell equivalent to a 54mm conical full in this formula?

How are they on transition?

Fucks sake... gear madness, probably don’t need another wheel man
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I got Bones STF 99a V6 Ben Koppl 54mm on a sale. They’re really good for my use.
The V6 is the widest conical wheel they offer, and it basically has a wider patch than my 57 mm spit radials.
As for how they skate, at tricks I wouldn’t know as I’ve hardly learned any yet. They’re stickier than F4 99a, and I see that as a positive. I skate a dusty indoor concrete/plywood.

The issue I have with them is that they stick... until they don't. They have such a small margin of error between sticking and completely ice-cube sliding out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on January 20, 2023, 10:29:30 PM
Here's how the 60mm Rat Bones with the Dragon formula fit on indy 169s with the 9.05 flight deck. They stick out more than the P5 shapes, those are tucked under the board rail. The Rat Bones seem to be out by 1/16th or so. It's a monster wheel for sure and it's wildly faster than the 88a Alva conicals I'm usually cruising on. It feels like how 84b SPF rides on smooth concrete, but on asphalt.

I'm recovering from a rib injury, but I'm really curious to see how these stack up against the 84bs in the park. I'm sure it'll be slower, but to what degree is what I'll find out. For now, this is a great ATV.

(https://i.imgur.com/QnEdTue.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QHGakgF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gNOrc9D.jpg)

That’s a sick setup if I ever saw one  :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on January 20, 2023, 10:36:38 PM
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What’s the Powell equivalent to a 54mm conical full in this formula?

How are they on transition?

Fucks sake... gear madness, probably don’t need another wheel man
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I got Bones STF 99a V6 Ben Koppl 54mm on a sale. They’re really good for my use.
The V6 is the widest conical wheel they offer, and it basically has a wider patch than my 57 mm spit radials.
As for how they skate, at tricks I wouldn’t know as I’ve hardly learned any yet. They’re stickier than F4 99a, and I see that as a positive. I skate a dusty indoor concrete/plywood.
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The issue I have with them is that they stick... until they don't. They have such a small margin of error between sticking and completely ice-cube sliding out.

Ive only heard that about the hard SPFs. I haven’t experienced them suddenly losing grip, but I don’t go that hard. Mostly mini ramps and small quarters. Lil bowl now and then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 21, 2023, 11:48:30 AM
SPFs are super glassy at smooth parks, if they break free watch out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on January 21, 2023, 09:47:31 PM
SPFs are super glassy at smooth parks, if they break free watch out.

I thought SPFs are supposed to stick pretty well for such a hard wheel - especially on smooth concrete?

I've just bought my first set of 58mm 84b after hearing they were the gold standard for a transition wheel.
I haven't tried them at the park yet but rolling around they feel super hard and fast. My usual is 99a OJ Elite Hardline and even they feel a bit slippery at times for me...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 21, 2023, 11:40:29 PM
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SPFs are super glassy at smooth parks, if they break free watch out.
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I thought SPFs are supposed to stick pretty well for such a hard wheel - especially on smooth concrete?

I've just bought my first set of 58mm 84b after hearing they were the gold standard for a transition wheel.
I haven't tried them at the park yet but rolling around they feel super hard and fast. My usual is 99a OJ Elite Hardline and even they feel a bit slippery at times for me...


There definitely seem to be better overall properties with Bones SPF and Spitfire Formula Four over pretty much every other brand wheel on the market, but that shouldn't stop anyone from experiencing it for themselves, or making their own mind up on what works best for them.

At least having a wheels thread for everything is better than just a Bones vs Spitfire thread, where I think the arguments for or against are very personal, depending on past experiences.


The older USA made ever so slightly milky looking OJ Elite wheels in any size or shape were a totally different feel to the newer very plasticy white looking OJ Elite wheels, which feel harder and are more slippery, but I get why they changed the formula as the older ones were a bit grippy and did tend to flatspot a bit more quickly too.

I know some people that love the old ones and others that swear by the newer ones, so again, it is down to what the person prefers.


I do think you will find the Bones wheels a step up from the OJs though.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 22, 2023, 09:20:12 AM
SPFs felt so insanely weird to me, they felt very slidey and very grippy at the same time.

Unfortunately on street, it feels like a average wheel (no surprise) so its applications are limited if you don't want multiple setups.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: modern life is war on January 22, 2023, 09:50:56 AM
I'd only ever go back to bones SPF for skating transition if they stopped making Spitfire f4 99. I'm sure the bones SPF are better than anything other than the f4s, but the difference between them and f4s in a big bowl is huge. I had so many slams riding SPFs, like coming out of a carve hauling ass and lose traction. Never happens with spitfire f4s. I was a very late adapter to f4s too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 22, 2023, 10:21:26 AM
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SPFs are super glassy at smooth parks, if they break free watch out.
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I thought SPFs are supposed to stick pretty well for such a hard wheel - especially on smooth concrete?

I've just bought my first set of 58mm 84b after hearing they were the gold standard for a transition wheel.
I haven't tried them at the park yet but rolling around they feel super hard and fast. My usual is 99a OJ Elite Hardline and even they feel a bit slippery at times for me...


They are very grippy, but they can break free real easy (I know, that sounds dumb as I said they're grippy but it's true). OJ elites, which I’d pick over SPF every time for slick bowls, are super hard, fast and grippy without having the fear of breaking free and eating shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthulhu! on January 22, 2023, 12:05:37 PM
Agreed on all accounts on the SPFs. They're too much for me. I don't skate bowls that often but slipping out in the deep end is a nightmare.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 22, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
What about the softer 81b SPFs?  I've never heard anybody talk about them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 22, 2023, 03:32:36 PM
What about the softer 81b SPFs?  I've never heard anybody talk about them


The 81b vs 84b are still almost exactly the same feel of wheel, think maybe a very slight difference between Formula Four 99 to 101, but definitely not any less than that, certainly not 97 or anything in that type of duro, when comparing, even though they are totally different scale / urethane.


The (almost) pro level vert dudes were all over the Bones SPF in both the 81b and 84b wheels, but to me both felt very slippery when compared to my usual softer duro Spitfire wheels or even to some degree my usual big wide Formula Four 99 duro wheels on the places they skated them - vert ramps and big new / painted bowls.

Either way, I am Spitfire and mostly Formula Four over everything else, but I know a lot of others say the Bones wheels last longer and prefer them over anything else, for the sort of skating that they do and those guys are miles ahead in ability so it is not like myself or a couple of older guys barely even making coping on these bigger ramps or bowls.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 22, 2023, 08:33:04 PM
What about the softer 81b SPFs?  I've never heard anybody talk about them

They’re still super hard and fast with just the slightest bit more grip. They feel pretty much the same as the 84b SPFs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 22, 2023, 08:49:54 PM
About 8 months of the year, SPF 84 are my favorite wheel at my local evergreen park. They are faster than everything else and usually grippy enough. Once the temperature drops below 45 I won’t use them. The grip is gone. In previous years I would do F4 99, but I did just get X97s. Tried dragons for a bit, but they felt too unnatural.

I look forward to April when I can use the SPF again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on January 22, 2023, 10:29:28 PM
I'd only ever go back to bones SPF for skating transition if they stopped making Spitfire f4 99. I'm sure the bones SPF are better than anything other than the f4s, but the difference between them and f4s in a big bowl is huge. I had so many slams riding SPFs, like coming out of a carve hauling ass and lose traction. Never happens with spitfire f4s. I was a very late adapter to f4s too

Reaally? I always thought that f4 was more of a street wheel and not great (too slippy) for transition. I am using f4 97a conical full for my crust (and crusty transition) wheel atm. What wheel would you recommend for a f4 transition wheel?
I hate unintended slipping coming out from a carve, not fun!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on January 22, 2023, 10:46:18 PM
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SPFs are super glassy at smooth parks, if they break free watch out.
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I thought SPFs are supposed to stick pretty well for such a hard wheel - especially on smooth concrete?

I've just bought my first set of 58mm 84b after hearing they were the gold standard for a transition wheel.
I haven't tried them at the park yet but rolling around they feel super hard and fast. My usual is 99a OJ Elite Hardline and even they feel a bit slippery at times for me...
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There definitely seem to be better overall properties with Bones SPF and Spitfire Formula Four over pretty much every other brand wheel on the market, but that shouldn't stop anyone from experiencing it for themselves, or making their own mind up on what works best for them.

At least having a wheels thread for everything is better than just a Bones vs Spitfire thread, where I think the arguments for or against are very personal, depending on past experiences.


The older USA made ever so slightly milky looking OJ Elite wheels in any size or shape were a totally different feel to the newer very plasticy white looking OJ Elite wheels, which feel harder and are more slippery, but I get why they changed the formula as the older ones were a bit grippy and did tend to flatspot a bit more quickly too.

I know some people that love the old ones and others that swear by the newer ones, so again, it is down to what the person prefers.


I do think you will find the Bones wheels a step up from the OJs though.

My OJ Elites are sounding like the offshore ones... They are a stark white with a strange orange tint. They also had this really distinctive chemical smell to them when I opened them up - I've never had wheels smell so rank.

Will let you guys know how I get on...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 23, 2023, 07:05:26 AM
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I'd only ever go back to bones SPF for skating transition if they stopped making Spitfire f4 99. I'm sure the bones SPF are better than anything other than the f4s, but the difference between them and f4s in a big bowl is huge. I had so many slams riding SPFs, like coming out of a carve hauling ass and lose traction. Never happens with spitfire f4s. I was a very late adapter to f4s too
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Reaally? I always thought that f4 was more of a street wheel and not great (too slippy) for transition. I am using f4 97a conical full for my crust (and crusty transition) wheel atm. What wheel would you recommend for a f4 transition wheel?
I hate unintended slipping coming out from a carve, not fun!

I started out last year on a set of 58mm 99a F4 OG Spitfire classics and swapped them out for 60mm 84b Bones SPF because the F4s felt saggy on concrete transition. I’ve actually had the 84b slide characteristics save me a few times where it breaks away and slides naturally to me whereas F4s bark and dig in and pitch you once they grip again.

It’s weird, but I’d almost say the Bones SPF has both more slip and more grip than Spitfire F4 on concrete transition. Maybe the better way to put it would be more predictable breakaway traction.

I think it all comes down to riding style and surface.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roll_dog on January 23, 2023, 10:14:59 AM
Surprised to see some of the opinions on SPFs in here. They have been my favorite wheel for the past several years so I figured I'd toss my 2 cents in.

The 84b ones could be a tiny bit slippery on really slick surfaces, but without a doubt the fastest wheel unless there's some underdog from ricta or something. I would recommend them on skateparks with that slightly weathered, textured concrete.

The 81b ones on the other hand grip really well, to the point they stick a little on some slides. Almost as fast as well.

The reason I bring all this up is because I moved to a new town and the local is insanely slick, slickest bowl I've ever skated. I tried both spitfire f4 101a and oj elite 101a, and with both of them I would find myself doing unexpected slides mid bowl run that would terrify me and kill my confidence. Really I would have preferred to keep either of those wheels because they could be used in the streets, unlike SPF.

We also get real winters here, have been skating in freezing temps and I do not find the 81b SPF wheels to lose traction in the winter.

Don't mean to contradict anyone's opinions here but I do feel that SPFs are a pretty amazing skatepark wheel. I say that as someone who wants to quit them, so I don't have to use a separate set of wheels in the street. I simply haven't been able to stop using them because they work for me.

I wonder if some of the negative sentiments I've read here are more preference based, since Bones wheels really do have unique slide characteristics. It's quite different than a spitfire 99a, and I think if you are used to that, SPFs might feel alien enough to just turn you off completely.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 23, 2023, 11:11:25 AM
Anybody tried those OJ concentrate hardline 101?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on January 23, 2023, 09:22:35 PM
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I'd only ever go back to bones SPF for skating transition if they stopped making Spitfire f4 99. I'm sure the bones SPF are better than anything other than the f4s, but the difference between them and f4s in a big bowl is huge. I had so many slams riding SPFs, like coming out of a carve hauling ass and lose traction. Never happens with spitfire f4s. I was a very late adapter to f4s too
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Reaally? I always thought that f4 was more of a street wheel and not great (too slippy) for transition. I am using f4 97a conical full for my crust (and crusty transition) wheel atm. What wheel would you recommend for a f4 transition wheel?
I hate unintended slipping coming out from a carve, not fun!

99 duro F4s are my favorite wheels for transition, I ride the 58mm OG classics. They do well on crusty parks and slippery parks. The grip to slide ratio is perfect and the slide is predictable and controlled. There’s times where I’ve been hauling ass and lost traction but was still able to control it. Anytime that happened with SPFs I got pitched and ate shit hard. SPFs are way faster than F4s though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 24, 2023, 08:01:15 AM
I got to try the 97a 52mm bones today and immediately traded them for my 52 dragons.

Did skate one majorly fuck up by releasing the dragons first? Dragon hype was huge and it seems like nobody cares about the 97s now. I'm amazed.

I'm sure they hit the old guy demographic really hard with the dragons, but they could have revolutionized street skating with more 97 hype. I guess time will tell.

Dragons are still amazing but goddamn those 97 are the truth
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 24, 2023, 08:13:28 AM

Dragons are still amazing but goddamn those 97 are the truth

+1.

I'm on a set of 54mm V5.  Only skated them twice, but they are much less foreign feeling than the Dragons.  I am super surprised there isn't much hype around these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 24, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
I got to try the 97a 52mm bones today and immediately traded them for my 52 dragons.

Did skate one majorly fuck up by releasing the dragons first? Dragon hype was huge and it seems like nobody cares about the 97s now. I'm amazed.

I'm sure they hit the old guy demographic really hard with the dragons, but they could have revolutionized street skating with more 97 hype. I guess time will tell.

Dragons are still amazing but goddamn those 97 are the truth

I think Dragon hype has more to do with extending more options to street skating whereas if you wanted a 97a wheel, 97 f4s have existed for a while. A new competitor in the same wheel class is less exciting than opening up more options for rough spot skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 24, 2023, 08:33:04 AM
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I got to try the 97a 52mm bones today and immediately traded them for my 52 dragons.

Did skate one majorly fuck up by releasing the dragons first? Dragon hype was huge and it seems like nobody cares about the 97s now. I'm amazed.

I'm sure they hit the old guy demographic really hard with the dragons, but they could have revolutionized street skating with more 97 hype. I guess time will tell.

Dragons are still amazing but goddamn those 97 are the truth
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I think Dragon hype has more to do with extending more options to street skating whereas if you wanted a 97a wheel, 97 f4s have existed for a while. A new competitor in the same wheel class is less exciting than opening up more options for rough spot skating.

97 f4 aren't comparable though. Even the dragons slide better than those. They're nowhere near x formula.

I get what you're saying though. People heard the claims of a good 97a wheel before
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 24, 2023, 08:37:10 AM
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I got to try the 97a 52mm bones today and immediately traded them for my 52 dragons.

Did skate one majorly fuck up by releasing the dragons first? Dragon hype was huge and it seems like nobody cares about the 97s now. I'm amazed.

I'm sure they hit the old guy demographic really hard with the dragons, but they could have revolutionized street skating with more 97 hype. I guess time will tell.

Dragons are still amazing but goddamn those 97 are the truth
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I think Dragon hype has more to do with extending more options to street skating whereas if you wanted a 97a wheel, 97 f4s have existed for a while. A new competitor in the same wheel class is less exciting than opening up more options for rough spot skating.
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97 f4 aren't comparable though. Even the dragons slide better than those. They're nowhere near x formula.

I get what you're saying though. People heard the claims of a good 97a wheel before

That’s a good point about the slides, I’m hoping to try the X Bones as soon as they’re in the shop. The local scene is so Spitfire focused, most of the bones wheels you need to order. They did have Dragons on the shelf though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 24, 2023, 09:11:21 AM
I think Dragon hype has more to do with extending more options to street skating whereas if you wanted a 97a wheel, 97 f4s have existed for a while. A new competitor in the same wheel class is less exciting than opening up more options for rough spot skating.

This is exactly why there should have been more hype around the X-97s, because they aren't just a "new 97 like Spitfires" in the same way that Dragons aren't just Powell's version of a Ricta Cloud 92a.    X-97s aren't a Bones version of the F4 97.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on January 24, 2023, 09:26:48 AM
Anybody tried those OJ concentrate hardline 101?
OJ From Concentrate wheels were the absolute worst wheels I ever skated. They’re low rebound so they feel tacky/sticky while rolling, but slide out of control at the same time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FirstBlood82 on January 24, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Any difference between spitfire 97 and bones 97 ?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
Any difference between spitfire 97 and bones 97 ?

The x97s are smoother and faster on rough terrain and slide much better.

You could also just scroll  up to the top of this page....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lazyskater on January 24, 2023, 11:16:08 AM
Bones 56 mm 97a review: (disclaimer it's winter in Philly so wheels and riding surfaces are much harder) comparing to bones 55 mm 103a street and 58 mm 84b park wheels. At fdr (not smooth concrete but not pitted) I can hardly notice a speed difference between 84b and 97a but I definitely feel them drag more on grinds on coping. They feel much better landing trucks over hips. When doing flip tricks at fdr they slide just as good as 103a. However any pinched ledge tricks get stuck and I end up doing more 5-0s then crooks. Also as soon as I go to a smooth concrete park they are noticable much slower then either 103a or 84b and slide less, but when I go to our diy with bad ground they are much faster and slide much better. I like the 97a alot and will probably always throw them on when I go to the diy and even fdr as my feet are so much better the next day. Ill update if I remember when its summer and humid.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 24, 2023, 11:37:06 AM
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Anybody tried those OJ concentrate hardline 101?
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OJ From Concentrate wheels were the absolute worst wheels I ever skated. They’re low rebound so they feel tacky/sticky while rolling, but slide out of control at the same time
This is exactly the kind of reply I expect from this lovely place.
Thx.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on January 24, 2023, 12:10:48 PM
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Anybody tried those OJ concentrate hardline 101?
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OJ From Concentrate wheels were the absolute worst wheels I ever skated. They’re low rebound so they feel tacky/sticky while rolling, but slide out of control at the same time
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This is exactly the kind of reply I expect from this lovely place.
Thx.
@moonordie
If you’re looking at OJ’s go for the Elite urethane. They have some hardlines in that formula line. I had some EZ Edges and Mini Combos that I really liked. They do get flatspots and chips, but I attribute them chipping on me to these two ledges I was crooked grinding. They have a “grip but still slide when you want them to” kind of thing going for them. I would choose them over a hard Bones wheel if I had to make the choice
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2023, 12:29:46 PM
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Anybody tried those OJ concentrate hardline 101?
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OJ From Concentrate wheels were the absolute worst wheels I ever skated. They’re low rebound so they feel tacky/sticky while rolling, but slide out of control at the same time

The OJ from concentrates are their Price Point wheel, utter garbage.  Elite>regular OJs>Slime Balls>From concentrate
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 24, 2023, 02:41:49 PM
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Anybody tried those OJ concentrate hardline 101?
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OJ From Concentrate wheels were the absolute worst wheels I ever skated. They’re low rebound so they feel tacky/sticky while rolling, but slide out of control at the same time
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This is exactly the kind of reply I expect from this lovely place.
Thx.
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@moonordie
If you’re looking at OJ’s go for the Elite urethane. They have some hardlines in that formula line. I had some EZ Edges and Mini Combos that I really liked. They do get flatspots and chips, but I attribute them chipping on me to these two ledges I was crooked grinding. They have a “grip but still slide when you want them to” kind of thing going for them. I would choose them over a hard Bones wheel if I had to make the choice
I appreciate the Intel but I was asking just out of curiosity since my local has some in sale but I'm way too info g4s, can't go back to anything else I think
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 24, 2023, 09:13:09 PM
speaking of OJ's can anyone give a comprehensive description of the differnece between 99a elite urethane vs. 101a? like what the fuck does it even feel like

I skated the 53mm mini combos in 101a (im pretty sure they dont make mini combos, other than maybe pro models, in anything other than 101a) and i remember them being good and skating them for a long time. Also kinda just wanna accept OJ as a wheel id skate to switch things up and keep it cheap.

The mini combo shape itself is amazing, i loved the wheels because they kinda felt like a bouncy bones stf (throwback) that you could still skate street with, BUT AGAIN 101a is truly not as versatile, plus i wonder if elite would even feel better slightly softer (seems worse the more that i think about it) . I wanna try the 56mm version.

Hardline shape seems kinda bland to me and ez edge doesnt come in big sizes. again the durometers seem to be weirdly exclusive to some shapes with no exceptions ive seen over the years (in terms of the offerings from oJ ive been exposed to)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on January 25, 2023, 10:21:36 AM
speaking of OJ's can anyone give a comprehensive description of the differnece between 99a elite urethane vs. 101a? like what the fuck does it even feel like

I skated the 53mm mini combos in 101a (im pretty sure they dont make mini combos, other than maybe pro models, in anything other than 101a) and i remember them being good and skating them for a long time. Also kinda just wanna accept OJ as a wheel id skate to switch things up and keep it cheap.

The mini combo shape itself is amazing, i loved the wheels because they kinda felt like a bouncy bones stf (throwback) that you could still skate street with, BUT AGAIN 101a is truly not as versatile, plus i wonder if elite would even feel better slightly softer (seems worse the more that i think about it) . I wanna try the 56mm version.

Hardline shape seems kinda bland to me and ez edge doesnt come in big sizes. again the durometers seem to be weirdly exclusive to some shapes with no exceptions ive seen over the years (in terms of the offerings from oJ ive been exposed to)

Chris Gregson has a pro OJ elite wheel out, that is a 97a mini combo in 56mm.
On paper they should be great, but alas they’re 50/50 red/black.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 25, 2023, 11:10:59 AM
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speaking of OJ's can anyone give a comprehensive description of the differnece between 99a elite urethane vs. 101a? like what the fuck does it even feel like

I skated the 53mm mini combos in 101a (im pretty sure they dont make mini combos, other than maybe pro models, in anything other than 101a) and i remember them being good and skating them for a long time. Also kinda just wanna accept OJ as a wheel id skate to switch things up and keep it cheap.

The mini combo shape itself is amazing, i loved the wheels because they kinda felt like a bouncy bones stf (throwback) that you could still skate street with, BUT AGAIN 101a is truly not as versatile, plus i wonder if elite would even feel better slightly softer (seems worse the more that i think about it) . I wanna try the 56mm version.

Hardline shape seems kinda bland to me and ez edge doesnt come in big sizes. again the durometers seem to be weirdly exclusive to some shapes with no exceptions ive seen over the years (in terms of the offerings from oJ ive been exposed to)
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Chris Gregson has a pro OJ elite wheel out, that is a 97a mini combo in 56mm.
On paper they should be great, but alas they’re 50/50 red/black.

Yeah I wanted the 56mm shin sanbongi 99a mini combos with the blue/orange graphic but i saw they were original formula. The original formula looks more translucent, much like SMLs and other semi-shitty generic wheels so i was hesitant to buy, since i know the quality of elite urethane. Sanbongi probably skates the original formula and likes it better, but idk.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GBLange on January 25, 2023, 09:57:37 PM
those single bearing wheels rattles like hell..the times when wheel brands went super crazy with their innovations.

(https://i.ibb.co/VM5BRr9/IMG-20230126-135450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VM5BRr9)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on January 27, 2023, 05:20:52 PM
Stopped by my local shop to pick up some X Bones in 56mm V6 and they hadn’t even heard of the x formula from bones yet. Thankfully they were able to order a set for me, but it definitely confirms the opinions that this wheel is flying under the radar so far.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on January 27, 2023, 06:07:55 PM
Stopped by my local shop to pick up some X Bones in 56mm V6 and they hadn’t even heard of the x formula from bones yet. Thankfully they were able to order a set for me, but it definitely confirms the opinions that this wheel is flying under the radar so far.

I asked my local to order me some back in December.   I checked a few days later to see if he was able to get them and he had just ordered Dragons because he thought the X-97 were just the Bones branded Dragons.  I explained the difference and he didn't seem impressed.   I bought them at Tactics (also in town), and 5 weeks later he got some in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 27, 2023, 11:23:58 PM
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I'd only ever go back to bones SPF for skating transition if they stopped making Spitfire f4 99. I'm sure the bones SPF are better than anything other than the f4s, but the difference between them and f4s in a big bowl is huge. I had so many slams riding SPFs, like coming out of a carve hauling ass and lose traction. Never happens with spitfire f4s. I was a very late adapter to f4s too
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Reaally? I always thought that f4 was more of a street wheel and not great (too slippy) for transition. I am using f4 97a conical full for my crust (and crusty transition) wheel atm. What wheel would you recommend for a f4 transition wheel?
I hate unintended slipping coming out from a carve, not fun!
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99 duro F4s are my favorite wheels for transition, I ride the 58mm OG classics. They do well on crusty parks and slippery parks. The grip to slide ratio is perfect and the slide is predictable and controlled. There’s times where I’ve been hauling ass and lost traction but was still able to control it. Anytime that happened with SPFs I got pitched and ate shit hard. SPFs are way faster than F4s though

My favorite wheel is that purple og classic. Definitely the perfect bowl shape too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Schinken on January 28, 2023, 01:42:06 AM
Anyone else tried both, dragon and bones x formula?
Recently I've bought bones x after riding dragons for 4 months.
To me the bones x feel like a harder and more sticky dragon wheel. They almost feel like a 99a oj elite or 99a stf. At least on the ground I ride them on. So far I'm not that impressed, but I've ridden them for 3 sessions only. They might change their feel once fully broken in / once I'm used to them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on January 28, 2023, 06:34:42 AM
Anyone else tried both, dragon and bones x formula?
Recently I've bought bones x after riding dragons for 4 months.
To me the bones x feel like a harder and more sticky dragon wheel. They almost feel like a 99a oj elite or 99a stf. At least on the ground I ride them on. So far I'm not that impressed, but I've ridden them for 3 sessions only. They might change their feel once fully broken in / once I'm used to them.

I’ve been skating the dragon wheels for months and am one session in on the X formula. I like the feel of the X formula, but oddly enough they don’t seem to slide as well as the dragon formula for me.

The x seem less predictable when they do slide as well. Sometimes they grip and don’t budge, sometimes they slide out like ice, and there doesn’t seem to be a clear reason. The dragon predictably slide better on rougher black top (and some concrete) and grip on smoother street surfaces.

As far as feel, both are great. They feel softer than their duro indicates and keep speed well.

I’ll report back when I put more time into the x. The dragons haven’t changed at all in how they perform over time for me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blahblah999 on January 28, 2023, 07:12:56 AM
Makes sense, I didn't know if the problem of spacers rarely fitting wheels right is because of poor spacer or wheel tolerances. If most cheap spacers are at fault, I can see the race reds working perfectly.

While it's still hard to believe that companies get the spacer size wrong. It must be a lot harder to make precise bearing seats in wheels than making a precise spacer.

Maybe you know this already but many brands of wheels are shocking quality with runout and very poor tolerances. The people selling these are often completely clueless about it too.

There are way too many brands of bearings these days also. Most of these are coming from China and probably the same small number of OEMs. The spacers included with these bearings are usually cheap metal that deforms easily, like aluminum alloy.

Better bearings come with steel spacers made to tighter tolerances.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on January 30, 2023, 02:22:50 AM
I have some 54mm OJ Hardline Elites on a spare setup. And some Spitfire F4s of the same size and shape on my main setup. The OJs seem to be faster and slide easier for me. But I heard they flatspot easy so I stopped using them. Both wheels are 99a. Maybe I should try some 101a Spitfires cause I like the look of them but wish they were a little less grippy.

Idk what this rant is about 😅
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: oldxdad on January 30, 2023, 05:36:44 AM
I mainly skate curbs and I’ve been on Dragons since August. I switched to the X97 in December and on semi rough asphalt there are strengths I’ve noticed for both. The roll on the dragons is much smoother but when locking into feebles I’d get an unpleasant bark/squeal sound that made me think something was wrong or off. The X97 rolls kinda like a better Spitfire Formula Four 99a and there have been no issues with sound on the curb. The next wheel that I want to try is a Spitfire 97a to compare.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FirstBlood82 on January 30, 2023, 06:11:36 AM
I mainly skate curbs and I’ve been on Dragons since August. I switched to the X97 in December and on semi rough asphalt there are strengths I’ve noticed for both. The roll on the dragons is much smoother but when locking into feebles I’d get an unpleasant bark/squeal sound that made me think something was wrong or off. The X97 rolls kinda like a better Spitfire Formula Four 99a and there have been no issues with sound on the curb. The next wheel that I want to try is a Spitfire 97a to compare.

That is the only thing thats a minus with dragons, otherwise they are A+
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on January 30, 2023, 08:56:03 AM
Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on January 30, 2023, 12:04:55 PM
Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.

Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Yossi on January 30, 2023, 12:24:36 PM
Looking for some advice on wheels. I've been riding multiple sets of OJ mini-juices on my cruiser/crust setups for years and am finally over not being able to slide. I have tried the Spitfire 97s and they're just not soft enough for the shit ground around me. Do the OJ 87a keyframes slide (powerslide, nose/tail slides) or would I be better going with the Dragons? I'd prob go with the 54mm option on either of those.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on January 30, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
Looking for some advice on wheels. I've been riding multiple sets of OJ mini-juices on my cruiser/crust setups for years and am finally over not being able to slide. I have tried the Spitfire 97s and they're just not soft enough for the shit ground around me. Do the OJ 87a keyframes slide (powerslide, nose/tail slides) or would I be better going with the Dragons? I'd prob go with the 54mm option on either of those.

Dragons are great, I have em in 54mm and dig em. They sound like what you want as well. They are a bit pricey and harder to get than keyframes but you get what you pay for, it's great urethane.

edit: I guess they're easier to get than when they first came out, I found em on a few different online stores.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on January 30, 2023, 02:26:16 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
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Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.

Sweet. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 30, 2023, 08:15:48 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
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Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
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Sweet. Thanks for the info!
I stockpiled either way! Will be interesting to see where loophole ends up...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: my bad cuh on January 30, 2023, 08:31:47 PM
Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
really hope not, i was thinking about picking up a set or two of the blemished square shapes just to try them out for cheaper
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 30, 2023, 10:35:23 PM
Do x formula bark tho?
I love doing invisible back tail sliders on the old smooth sewer caps around Salem. I do it at tourists who cut me off crossing the street in with my loud ass spits.

Dragons I can get to squeak a tiny bit if I try really hard. Definitely bummer that's like that. I figured now they are full broken in that they would get louder like stf. I love the sound of bones stfs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 31, 2023, 05:37:35 AM
Looking for some advice on wheels. I've been riding multiple sets of OJ mini-juices on my cruiser/crust setups for years and am finally over not being able to slide. I have tried the Spitfire 97s and they're just not soft enough for the shit ground around me. Do the OJ 87a keyframes slide (powerslide, nose/tail slides) or would I be better going with the Dragons? I'd prob go with the 54mm option on either of those.

100% Dragons. Keyframes may as well not exist anymore because Dragons do everything they do, but better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shrinedescender on January 31, 2023, 07:12:22 AM
Urethane enthusiasts,

I'm currently on a pair of 99duro F4 conicals but I'm looking for something more suited to going spot to spot on occasionally crusty streets and sidewalks. My shop carries the Bones X97s, Dragons, and some Loophole 56mm V-shapes; Spitfire options are limited, no 97du or conical fulls at the moment. My primary concern is that I skate mostly ledges so the bite factor on crooks and whatnot is something I have to consider. As of now I'm partial to those Loopholes but the wider contact patch and wheel size generally would be an adjustment I have to make; and they're not as soft as those other options. I need y'all to guide me with your wisdom.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: modern life is war on January 31, 2023, 07:27:18 AM
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I'd only ever go back to bones SPF for skating transition if they stopped making Spitfire f4 99. I'm sure the bones SPF are better than anything other than the f4s, but the difference between them and f4s in a big bowl is huge. I had so many slams riding SPFs, like coming out of a carve hauling ass and lose traction. Never happens with spitfire f4s. I was a very late adapter to f4s too
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Reaally? I always thought that f4 was more of a street wheel and not great (too slippy) for transition. I am using f4 97a conical full for my crust (and crusty transition) wheel atm. What wheel would you recommend for a f4 transition wheel?
I hate unintended slipping coming out from a carve, not fun!
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99 duro F4s are my favorite wheels for transition, I ride the 58mm OG classics. They do well on crusty parks and slippery parks. The grip to slide ratio is perfect and the slide is predictable and controlled. There’s times where I’ve been hauling ass and lost traction but was still able to control it. Anytime that happened with SPFs I got pitched and ate shit hard. SPFs are way faster than F4s though

I ride 99d conical fulls, I buy them at 58 and ride them down to 55s. The park I usually skate is smooth but not slick. Next time I need a new pair though I will probably try the classics, just to change it up a little bit. I've heard good things about skating the classics in transition.

I haven't tried the f4 101s yet, I actually had so many bad slams from losing traction on hard bones SPFs that it scared me into riding a softer wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 31, 2023, 10:17:43 AM
Urethane enthusiasts,

I'm currently on a pair of 99duro F4 conicals but I'm looking for something more suited to going spot to spot on occasionally crusty streets and sidewalks. My shop carries the Bones X97s, Dragons, and some Loophole 56mm V-shapes; Spitfire options are limited, no 97du or conical fulls at the moment. My primary concern is that I skate mostly ledges so the bite factor on crooks and whatnot is something I have to consider. As of now I'm partial to those Loopholes but the wider contact patch and wheel size generally would be an adjustment I have to make; and they're not as soft as those other options. I need y'all to guide me with your wisdom.

I've been looking for the exact same thing, tried spit 97, dragons and X formula. What you need is the X-formula. Crooks are perfect, everything is just lovely. dragons are a bit sticky on crooks but workable, spit 97 are terrible on ledges.

For real, I haven't been this happy with wheels since trying f4 99a for the first time. X97a is insanely good.
I learnt nollie fs crooks and fakie (switch-) fs crooks today on those wheels. And that's on a kinda sticky angle iron ledge with terrible ground, with no problems. I'll love these wheels forever

Never tried loopholes though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 31, 2023, 12:30:30 PM
Urethane enthusiasts,

I'm currently on a pair of 99duro F4 conicals but I'm looking for something more suited to going spot to spot on occasionally crusty streets and sidewalks. My shop carries the Bones X97s, Dragons, and some Loophole 56mm V-shapes; Spitfire options are limited, no 97du or conical fulls at the moment. My primary concern is that I skate mostly ledges so the bite factor on crooks and whatnot is something I have to consider. As of now I'm partial to those Loopholes but the wider contact patch and wheel size generally would be an adjustment I have to make; and they're not as soft as those other options. I need y'all to guide me with your wisdom.


I was worried about crooks when I got my new Dragons. I'm used to it now. They slide better on non waxed granite than my 58mm spits.
The sound and bounce are the main issues with that wheel. And skatepark ground.

If you park a lot don't bother with the dragons. It's basically an 80hd spit wheel on smooth concrete.

Ram just told me that he got the x97s. He's impressed but they too are not for the park. These are 100% street wheels too it seams.

I wanna cop some mag lights too someday and a slick board. See what I can do with that for fun with the dragons. Once the 9" truck drops I'm getting on that

That would be so sick I'm sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 31, 2023, 12:33:47 PM
Loops are dope wheels too. The team is killer. I like the dial tone team too.

I have a set of tears that I usually ride in the winter but I'm on a bigger than 56mm wheels kick.

There's also Cones wheels. I haven't tried them yet but those guys are super cool.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 31, 2023, 12:41:52 PM
If Powell could figure out how to make the dragons bark then I'd be 110 a convert
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: modern life is war on January 31, 2023, 02:16:18 PM
I know all the formulas are secret but what do you guys think they're putting in wheels that make them so much better than wheels used to be? What could they be adding other than urethane?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 31, 2023, 02:46:27 PM
(Poly-)Urethane is the name for a huge group of chemicals that are produced a certain way. So todays wheels are completely different materials than in the past, not just some tiny additions to old urethane.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 31, 2023, 02:51:15 PM
I know all the formulas are secret but what do you guys think they're putting in wheels that make them so much better than wheels used to be? What could they be adding other than urethane?

Duane Peters Tears. Fastest shit on planet earth. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 31, 2023, 03:30:39 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
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really hope not, i was thinking about picking up a set or two of the blemished square shapes just to try them out for cheaper


If anywhere still has them, get them while you can.

They are done and out.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 02, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
Not sure how I feel about these, but putting here anyway.  Green available soon in all shapes and sizes.

(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/700x700/method/padding/v/2c33/WSBADGNF543493G4.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 02, 2023, 05:12:50 PM
Not sure how I feel about these, but putting here anyway.  Green available soon in all shapes and sizes.

(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/700x700/method/padding/v/2c33/WSBADGNF543493G4.jpg)

Yeah fuck doing more shapes, what we need is green wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 02, 2023, 05:34:05 PM
Not sure if it’s been posted yet but OJ is close to dropping the “coconut formula” dual duro wheels. Price feels insane.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/blogs/nhs-skate-direct/two-durometers-in-one-wheel-introducing-oj-double-durometer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 02, 2023, 05:46:44 PM
Not sure if it’s been posted yet but OJ is close to dropping the “coconut formula” dual duro wheels. Price feels insane.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/blogs/nhs-skate-direct/two-durometers-in-one-wheel-introducing-oj-double-durometer

$17 more than F4s?

(http://e.lvme.me/2b02ewx.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 02, 2023, 06:34:20 PM
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Yeah wow.

I still feel like it is:


1. Spitfire

2. Bones




(big gap)




3. Everything else


That's ok, people can make up their own mind and choose whatever they want though. 

No problem there.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 02, 2023, 07:19:39 PM
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Not sure how I feel about these, but putting here anyway.  Green available soon in all shapes and sizes.

(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/700x700/method/padding/v/2c33/WSBADGNF543493G4.jpg)
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Yeah fuck doing more shapes, what we need is green wheels

Those should be orange. G bones can be green but it's more of a yellow green. That green is the worst colour I could imagine. Looking all child world valtera ism.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 02, 2023, 07:27:03 PM
Dual duro wheels already happened and got discontinued.. Multiple times both ways.

If the outside is still the elite formula why bother? They will just bounce more and unseat in hot weather
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2023, 04:24:28 PM
Dual duro wheels already happened and got discontinued.. Multiple times both ways.

If the outside is still the elite formula why bother? They will just bounce more and unseat in hot weather

Yeah, not sure what the revelation over at NHS is all about...Autobahn ran these for years...GRANTED that thane was sticky/grippy AF, so maybe these are different?

No mention of Elite, but only "OJ IIs) so yeah, wouldn't touch them...now the elite thane in a double duro, or elite wrapped around regs ojs...maybe...but not as a Mini Combo....clearly they have an idea who this wheel marketed towards (re-issue crowd?/their answer to dragons).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on February 03, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
Not sure how I feel about these, but putting here anyway.  Green available soon in all shapes and sizes.

(https://www.skateone.com/assets/skateone/productimage/size/700x700/method/padding/v/2c33/WSBADGNF543493G4.jpg)

So gross... I think all art is subjective, but this feels like one of those things that is close to objectively bad. 100% saturation green and red clash so hard in a big bad way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2023, 07:07:19 PM
Green wheels? Sure.

That intern graphic? No. The Marketing? no.

Red and green at 100% clash?

Seriously, have you seen any traditional Chinese art?

Do you hate Christmas?



but...but my 2 yr. graphic design degree says....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: theloniousmonk on February 03, 2023, 07:15:56 PM
Powell’s marketing is depressing. I’ve got both the dragons and the 97 formula wheels and genuinely like them both. I even like regular stf spf and the 99a dirty birds. I even have mini logo trucks and a couple decks. All of which are good products.
But everything they do marketing wise is just the worst. It’s sad, really.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 03, 2023, 07:40:20 PM
Green wheels? Sure.

That intern graphic? No. The Marketing? no.

Red and green at 100% clash?

Seriously, have you seen any traditional Chinese art?

Do you hate Christmas?



but...but my 2 yr. graphic design degree says....

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/938266106701942824/1071273821895663676/Screenshot_20230203-193917.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2023, 08:57:43 PM
Powell’s marketing is depressing. I’ve got both the dragons and the 97 formula wheels and genuinely like them both. I even like regular stf spf and the 99a dirty birds. I even have mini logo trucks and a couple decks. All of which are good products.
But everything they do marketing wise is just the worst. It’s sad, really.


I don't think they even try anymore they have their marketshare and they seem comfortable with it.

1st place bearings
2nd place wheels

Tie for tech decks flight vs VX (same shit different press); tho VX feels more 'profressional grade' as it has a better fit and finish imo.

Graphics that would still work on the 80s because that's their schtick..

For the record, I currently own/have in rotation plenty of Skate One gear, ML trucks, flights, stfs, swiss, dragons, x97s. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on February 04, 2023, 07:15:32 AM
And with the team…..it’s like they do it on purpose…..’anyone just lose a board sponsor?  You…..who are you? Great, you’re on…..’
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blahblah999 on February 04, 2023, 10:34:14 AM

Yeah, not sure what the revelation over at NHS is all about...Autobahn ran these for years...GRANTED that thane was sticky/grippy AF, so maybe these are different?



If anyone cares Full Circle Distro still has some Autobahn Wheels for sale, including different types of the dual duro wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on February 04, 2023, 12:54:51 PM
I have a wheel madness theory after scrolling through too many instagram posts looking at setups.

It seems like:

It's dumb, but I can't stop seeing it now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 04, 2023, 03:41:41 PM
The dragons in below zero weather is the best feeling I've ever felt maybe. So fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 04, 2023, 07:11:08 PM
I have a wheel madness theory after scrolling through too many instagram posts looking at setups.

It seems like:
  • Bones riders = graphic out
  • Spitfire riders = graphic in

It's dumb, but I can't stop seeing it now.

Weird...maybe  bones riders have to ride them that way?

Personally, I stopped giving a fuck and just grab them and put them on the way the last bearing went in + I rotate them anyway.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on February 04, 2023, 07:28:25 PM
My take…..bones pays their riders, spitfire only pays a select few…..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Tear Up a Trick on February 04, 2023, 08:04:01 PM
Here's how the 60mm Rat Bones with the Dragon formula fit on indy 169s with the 9.05 flight deck. They stick out more than the P5 shapes, those are tucked under the board rail. The Rat Bones seem to be out by 1/16th or so. It's a monster wheel for sure and it's wildly faster than the 88a Alva conicals I'm usually cruising on. It feels like how 84b SPF rides on smooth concrete, but on asphalt.

I'm recovering from a rib injury, but I'm really curious to see how these stack up against the 84bs in the park. I'm sure it'll be slower, but to what degree is what I'll find out. For now, this is a great ATV.

(https://i.imgur.com/QnEdTue.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QHGakgF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gNOrc9D.jpg)

Wow, that's like Dodge Dart or Mustang muscle car or something, in a good way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on February 04, 2023, 11:16:31 PM
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Not sure if it’s been posted yet but OJ is close to dropping the “coconut formula” dual duro wheels. Price feels insane.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/blogs/nhs-skate-direct/two-durometers-in-one-wheel-introducing-oj-double-durometer
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$17 more than F4s?

(http://e.lvme.me/2b02ewx.jpg)
Ain’t no way I’m paying $60 for OJ’s lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 04, 2023, 11:35:38 PM
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Not sure if it’s been posted yet but OJ is close to dropping the “coconut formula” dual duro wheels. Price feels insane.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/blogs/nhs-skate-direct/two-durometers-in-one-wheel-introducing-oj-double-durometer
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$17 more than F4s?

(http://e.lvme.me/2b02ewx.jpg)
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Ain’t no way I’m paying $60 for OJ’s lol

Neither am I. Gonna wait for them to go on sale unless… any NHS employee has some spare 54 or 52mm wheels they’d like to DM me about. And if they throw some of those Indy stage 4s my opinions can be bought.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: in love w/ fs shuvs on February 05, 2023, 01:15:42 AM
How important is wheel size for skating rails? Does it actually help lock in or do i just need to get better
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on February 05, 2023, 02:29:05 AM
Got the Dragons - Rat Bone 1 shape 60mm/40mm.

Rough ground/outdoor tarmac/black top - Wow - these go like shit off a stick!!!!

Not quite Red Kryps or even Keyframe cruiser comfort IMO but as fast as you need. Nice clattery harder wheel feel. (I am ok with “soft” feel anywhere, have slappied 78 / 87s before, love it all but these are yeah, nice).

Concrete park smooth - “feel” is much softer here, for sure. But hold speed and momentum. Barely a difference from F4 97a. It’s not gonna hold you back. If you need that ultimate zip, like others said use 101s here.

Mini ramp - feel fine here. Only had a few runs but didn’t seem to get that bogged down feeling you get below 97a.

Grinds/slides - Forgot all about it, cant say I noticed any stick or screech at all, maybe above my skill level but not worth caring about IMO.

Powerslides - reckon these are as advertised, but still wearing off the treads so not fair to review.

YMMV but decided I’m sticking to F4 101 or 97 for daily driver small popsicle times, 2 identical setups (looked at x97s but hate skinny contact patch’s).

But if you happen to have a real big/old school board you like to ride for a change, or comfort or ramps... These must blow everything else away for versatility in that area.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 05, 2023, 06:27:39 AM
How important is wheel size for skating rails? Does it actually help lock in or do i just need to get better

I'd say not at all as long as you're above 51mm maybe. Jumping on a round rail with rounded down 47mm wheels doesn't feel that safe...but still works
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on February 06, 2023, 04:17:37 PM
Seems like as good a place as any for this:
Tom K found Puleo’s missing wheel from his Nine Club story.

https://skateboarding.transworld.net/trending-news/are-we-to-believe-tom-karangelov-found-bobby-puleos-missing-wheel?fbclid=IwAR2_MAyIsD-RsUnYQTht_y3XlH9BMPIlrqADsqgvKyfkp2AxSUlIhy96b0I&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoLZjGyDhkx/?igshid=Zjc2ZTc4Nzk=
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on February 06, 2023, 05:26:36 PM
Has anyone tried the Santa Cruz slime balls? I’ve never given them much thought, but I picked up a Jeff Kendall reissue and thought about matching the wheel set to it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: eviltgirl on February 06, 2023, 06:13:35 PM
Has anyone tried the Santa Cruz slime balls? I’ve never given them much thought, but I picked up a Jeff Kendall reissue and thought about matching the wheel set to it.

I had a set of the 97a 53mm blue ones and I swear that they were slower and felt like they rolled harder than my  99a54mm formula fours
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on February 06, 2023, 08:58:03 PM
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Has anyone tried the Santa Cruz slime balls? I’ve never given them much thought, but I picked up a Jeff Kendall reissue and thought about matching the wheel set to it.
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I had a set of the 97a 53mm blue ones and I swear that they were slower and felt like they rolled harder than my  99a54mm formula fours

This was my experience with them. Feels like a 99a, but slower and slightly more grip
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on February 07, 2023, 11:06:03 AM
I might go in the sewer for an OG but not a regular classic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on February 07, 2023, 12:28:52 PM
How important is wheel size for skating rails? Does it actually help lock in or do i just need to get better

Size definitely makes a difference but shape also makes a sizeable difference. You can get away with a smaller wheel in a tablet or V shape than with a classic shape because it's easier to fit a rail into the sharp angle that the wheel makes with your truck. With that said there will be more friction in the grind as opposed to a classic shape because more of the wheel is making contact with the rail, which is why I personally opt for classic shapes. It may be a little more tricky to lock into the grind but it'll glide along the rail better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 07, 2023, 07:04:14 PM
https://youtu.be/hONy4CicAow?t=170

Incoming Bones X 95/99s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FuzzGNU on February 08, 2023, 01:18:12 AM
https://youtu.be/hONy4CicAow?t=170

Incoming Bones X 95/99s?

Might actually cop the 95 just so I don't have to have green dragons on my wheels anymore lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 08, 2023, 01:29:49 AM
Maybe the 99 will actually not drag on grinds but still feel a bit softer/smoother than f4 99s, fingers crossed
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on February 08, 2023, 06:58:59 AM
If it’s a 99 that skates a bit better on crust I’m in. But spits just break into slides easier and feel more controllable than the bones I skated. But V5 is the superior shape.  So I neee spitfire to make a v5 or bones 99 to slide a bit better
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 08, 2023, 08:21:10 AM
https://youtu.be/hONy4CicAow?t=170

Incoming Bones X 95/99s?

It would be incredibly stupid to keep selling the current stf 99a. I really hope that's true.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 08, 2023, 10:14:15 AM
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https://youtu.be/hONy4CicAow?t=170

Incoming Bones X 95/99s?
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It would be incredibly stupid to keep selling the current stf 99a. I really hope that's true.

People are afraid try something new and BONES can't lose the STF branding (hence X formula)...I'm sure there are some 99a STF diehards out there (why is anyone's guess)...

As a [big] fan of the x97s a 99 would be very interesting, hopefully in V1/V2, tho I wonder if the v5+ sizes are due to how the formula feels/holds up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 08, 2023, 03:21:28 PM
Back on my spits. I can't have the wheel biting curbs. I'm going to save the dragons for this 9" board I'm going to do this summer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on February 08, 2023, 03:43:09 PM
I've been skating the 56mm Bones X97 for 2ish weeks now and they're probably my new street wheel. I tried 99a F4s for 30m during those two weeks and they felt awful on eroded streets. With the X97s, it really makes it an all (street) terrain kinda setup where I don't have to worry about catching rocks or cracks. There's almost not wheelbite on the stage 10 Indy 139s I have on it, the marks are from running mushed out bones medium bushings that I've since swapped out. I think you'd only bite when landing hard and off bolts, not rail to rail when turning.

(https://i.imgur.com/OB87tNF.jpg)

I'd say they have less squidge factor than the 93a Dragons, but it's a similar experience. That also means the X97s have slightly less impact reduction, so you feel that shock "click" when you land. Still less shock than 99a F4s though. They're also fairly quiet, which is a plus for me, I'd rather stealth on the street. They'll still bark during slides, but not as audible as F4s.

(https://i.imgur.com/E1b7cGA.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2023, 05:22:13 PM
I've been skating the 56mm Bones X97 for 2ish weeks now and they're probably my new street wheel. I tried 99a F4s for 30m during those two weeks and they felt awful on eroded streets. With the X97s, it really makes it an all (street) terrain kinda setup where I don't have to worry about catching rocks or cracks. There's almost not wheelbite on the stage 8 Indy 139s I have on it, the marks are from running mushed out bones medium bushings that I've since swapped out. I think you'd only bite when landing hard and off bolts, not rail to rail when turning.


I'd say they have less squidge factor than the 93a Dragons, but it's a similar experience. That also means the X97s have slightly less impact reduction, so you feel that shock "click" when you land. Still less shock than 99a F4s though. They're also fairly quiet, which is a plus for me, I'd rather stealth on the street. They'll still bark during slides, but not as audible as F4s.



They look like a good width wheel too.

Not as skinny as the usual V5 shape, unless it is just the angle or camera?


I think those trucks are Stage 9 or 10, as Stage 8 still had six hole baseplates and were way bulkier in the look.  Not a big deal, more just curious now.

Two holes in the middle of the baseplate are Stage 9, then single cross on the pivot point in solid baseplate are Stage 10 and cross with circle round it on the pivot point are Stage 11.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on February 08, 2023, 05:23:56 PM
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I've been skating the 56mm Bones X97 for 2ish weeks now and they're probably my new street wheel. I tried 99a F4s for 30m during those two weeks and they felt awful on eroded streets. With the X97s, it really makes it an all (street) terrain kinda setup where I don't have to worry about catching rocks or cracks. There's almost not wheelbite on the stage 8 Indy 139s I have on it, the marks are from running mushed out bones medium bushings that I've since swapped out. I think you'd only bite when landing hard and off bolts, not rail to rail when turning.


I'd say they have less squidge factor than the 93a Dragons, but it's a similar experience. That also means the X97s have slightly less impact reduction, so you feel that shock "click" when you land. Still less shock than 99a F4s though. They're also fairly quiet, which is a plus for me, I'd rather stealth on the street. They'll still bark during slides, but not as audible as F4s.

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They look like a good width wheel too.

Not as skinny as the usual V5 shape, unless it is just the angle or camera?


I think those trucks are Stage 9 or 10, as Stage 8 still had six hole baseplates and were way bulkier in the look.  Not a big deal, more just curious now.

Two holes in the middle of the baseplate are Stage 9, then single cross on the pivot point in solid baseplate are Stage 10 and cross with circle round it on the pivot point are Stage 11.


I could be totally wrong on that, I think I was going on what someone at the local shop told me. They’re from circa 2010-2012 if that helps narrow it down.

They do have the cross on the baseplate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2023, 05:26:54 PM


I could be totally wrong on that, I think I was going on what someone at the local shop told me. They’re from circa 2010-2012 if that helps narrow it down.

They do have the cross on the baseplate.


All good.

Stage 9 came out in 2003
Stage 10 in 2009
Stage 11 in 2012


The board looks good with that whole setup - everything just works right, so you know it is a good one?

:)


* Sometimes I can come across a bit intense than I mean to be with skate product (sorry) but just more curious than anything else.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on February 08, 2023, 05:34:44 PM
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I could be totally wrong on that, I think I was going on what someone at the local shop told me. They’re from circa 2010-2012 if that helps narrow it down.

They do have the cross on the baseplate.
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All good.

Stage 9 came out in 2003
Stage 10 in 2009
Stage 11 in 2012


The board looks good with that whole setup - everything just works right, so you know it is a good one?

:)


* Sometimes I can come across a bit intense than I mean to be with skate product (sorry) but just more curious than anything else.

Ah that’s super helpful, thanks for sharing that year breakdown.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 09, 2023, 03:04:32 PM
Anybody tried Bonjour wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on February 10, 2023, 12:47:15 PM
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https://youtu.be/hONy4CicAow?t=170

Incoming Bones X 95/99s?
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It would be incredibly stupid to keep selling the current stf 99a. I really hope that's true.
I unironically like my STF 99a. For the indoor plywood im skating 99a F4s are just too slippery. We will see if it gets better once weather heats up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on February 12, 2023, 04:09:44 AM
Question about urethane manufacturers. I got some Dogtown K9 99s as they were half price with a Dogtown deck at xmas. One of those at that price, cant say no purchases. Not that fussed about the deck to be honest, but really like the wheels to the point where i have retired the STFs. I just wondered if any urethane gurus on the thread might know who makes them. Apologies in advance if there is a 2023 Urethane Directory thread and i missed it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 13, 2023, 08:16:02 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Creative pours the DT wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on February 13, 2023, 09:22:46 AM
Dogtown K9 wheels are really good wheels. I've had 92a-97a range durometers and they were all quality. The 95ax57mm ones with the offset bearing seat are my fav. Allows for maximum hanger use with bigger wheels, no need to stack 2-3 washers on the inside of the wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on February 13, 2023, 10:30:27 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Creative pours the DT wheels.

Yes, Creative-poured.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JK42 on February 13, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, Creative pours the DT wheels.
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Yes, Creative-poured.
👍🏻 thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 13, 2023, 03:35:32 PM
Question about urethane manufacturers. I got some Dogtown K9 99s as they were half price with a Dogtown deck at xmas. One of those at that price, cant say no purchases. Not that fussed about the deck to be honest, but really like the wheels to the point where i have retired the STFs. I just wondered if any urethane gurus on the thread might know who makes them. Apologies in advance if there is a 2023 Urethane Directory thread and i missed it.

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If I'm not mistaken, Creative pours the DT wheels.
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Yes, Creative-poured.
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👍🏻 thanks


If only there was a Urethane manufacturing thread...

But for real though, I think the list would be a bit short or very hard to work out many of the suppliers now.

Brands like Bones and Spitfire do their own in house formulas and don't let anything in or out, with NFG also doing something for a while on a smaller scale, but then Creative and a couple of other main manufacturers who do wheels for most of the middle brands in the industry and the rest are more or less unknown aren't they?

Lots more productions from China and other places, but still some small wheel makers here and there that I have found.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on February 13, 2023, 05:10:46 PM
feel free to start one.....or just carry on.  I'm sure there is a list deep in this thread....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 13, 2023, 05:53:11 PM
feel free to start one.....or just carry on.  I'm sure there is a list deep in this thread....


Ha yeah, deck manufacturers / woodshop list is enough for me.


Just trying to think of others - 


Aend Industries Inc is the only other really big one that comes to mind, based in USA.

Hicrest does wheels for NHS, based in China.



Some links just for fun / deep dive madness:


https://matchory.com/top-skateboard-wheel-manufacturing-companies



This one has a lot of good shapes:


https://www.skateboard-factory.com/skateboard-wheels-factory.html


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on February 14, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
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Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on February 14, 2023, 02:34:12 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
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Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
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On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)

Yeah NFG isn't manufacturing right now/maybe anymore
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on February 14, 2023, 02:52:44 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
[close]

Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
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On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)


I asked who’s pouring them, although I’m pretty sure it’s creative, we will see if they respond
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on February 14, 2023, 04:41:57 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
[close]

Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
[close]
On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
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I asked who’s pouring them, although I’m pretty sure it’s creative, we will see if they respond

Lol I liked your comment. I really want to know who’s pouring too I’ve been buying up as many v cut 56s as I can find right now so I’m interested to see how the new formulas feel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 14, 2023, 04:52:00 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
[close]

Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
[close]
On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
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I asked who’s pouring them, although I’m pretty sure it’s creative, we will see if they respond
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Lol I liked your comment. I really want to know who’s pouring too I’ve been buying up as many v cut 56s as I can find right now so I’m interested to see how the new formulas feel

idk why, but the art in that insta post makes me immediately think of creative wheel brands
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on February 14, 2023, 05:23:41 PM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
[close]

Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
[close]
On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
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I asked who’s pouring them, although I’m pretty sure it’s creative, we will see if they respond
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Lol I liked your comment. I really want to know who’s pouring too I’ve been buying up as many v cut 56s as I can find right now so I’m interested to see how the new formulas feel
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idk why, but the art in that insta post makes me immediately think of creative wheel brands

Especially because it’s all black and white. Through Creative you pay per color as well as a setup fee per color. Usually look books are a full color representation of the final art but maybe they’re adding color later?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on February 14, 2023, 05:36:07 PM
Spotted these while trawling the NHS site. Anyone brave enough to rock these on a 90s-inspired rig?

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/45mm-swamp-wheels-pink-green-swirl-99a-skateboard-wheels-oj?variant=43290395476125 (https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/45mm-swamp-wheels-pink-green-swirl-99a-skateboard-wheels-oj?variant=43290395476125)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: streetmeat on February 14, 2023, 05:39:40 PM
ordered some 56 v loopholes today. a friend who owns a skate shop in town speaks very highly of em
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GBLange on February 14, 2023, 10:35:53 PM
Spotted these while trawling the NHS site. Anyone brave enough to rock these on a 90s-inspired rig?

https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/45mm-swamp-wheels-pink-green-swirl-99a-skateboard-wheels-oj?variant=43290395476125 (https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/45mm-swamp-wheels-pink-green-swirl-99a-skateboard-wheels-oj?variant=43290395476125)

tempting. but it would be a fun setup though..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on February 15, 2023, 02:26:59 AM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
[close]

Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
[close]
On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
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I asked who’s pouring them, although I’m pretty sure it’s creative, we will see if they respond
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Lol I liked your comment. I really want to know who’s pouring too I’ve been buying up as many v cut 56s as I can find right now so I’m interested to see how the new formulas feel
lol I liked that comment too, even though I now have around 10 sets of nfg urethane on ice!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 17, 2023, 08:41:14 AM
i keep checking to see if this thread has had an update to the loophole question, killing me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggotspawn on February 17, 2023, 01:17:29 PM
Got some Dragons for my cruiser. 56mm.
Really digging them. Fast for a soft wheel.
Smooths out the crust nicely.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on February 17, 2023, 01:19:35 PM
Got some Dragons for my cruiser. 56mm.
Really digging them. Fast for a soft wheel.
Smooths out the crust nicely.
I’ve been debating getting them for months now. I mostly skate smooth places so it’s hard to justify, but I want to try them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on February 17, 2023, 01:38:23 PM
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Got some Dragons for my cruiser. 56mm.
Really digging them. Fast for a soft wheel.
Smooths out the crust nicely.
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I’ve been debating getting them for months now. I mostly skate smooth places so it’s hard to justify, but I want to try them.

I skate mostly smooth places.  SPF are the best at the flow park I go to because they are the fastest.  I like F4 101 or STF 103s at the smooth "street" park because they slide better than SPF.

Dragons are great on crust and even nice pavement.  They fall flat for me where it's super smooth.  They are slower than a 99 wheel, which is a big negative for how I skate. 

X 97s are almost as nice in crust, but feel more like a 99 on smooth surfaces.  They too are oddly silent.    If you are mostly smooth and wanting to try a new formula, go X 97. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Acid Drop on February 19, 2023, 05:41:15 PM
Ordered some 52mm 93A Sir Skate Skateboard Wheels. I look forward to seeing how they compare to leading brand product.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on February 20, 2023, 02:02:39 PM
i keep checking to see if this thread has had an update to the loophole question, killing me

I keep checking the comments to see if they answer, it’s gotta be creative which I’m a little uneasy about
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on February 20, 2023, 02:22:20 PM
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i keep checking to see if this thread has had an update to the loophole question, killing me
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I keep checking the comments to see if they answer, it’s gotta be creative which I’m a little uneasy about

Yea it’s gotta be creative, they make decent wheels, just sucks the market is down another manufacturer if you could call the wizard that, not sure what happened with them but I’m sure gonna miss those wheels, RIP NFG 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2023, 02:41:15 PM
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i keep checking to see if this thread has had an update to the loophole question, killing me
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I keep checking the comments to see if they answer, it’s gotta be creative which I’m a little uneasy about
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Yea it’s gotta be creative, they make decent wheels, just sucks the market is down another manufacturer if you could call the wizard that, not sure what happened with them but I’m sure gonna miss those wheels, RIP NFG 

Decent wheels that don't slide :\ Not hating, just stating my experience.

You want to slide? F4/STFs (x97s too) everything else is grippy or sticky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on February 20, 2023, 03:22:04 PM
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i keep checking to see if this thread has had an update to the loophole question, killing me
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I keep checking the comments to see if they answer, it’s gotta be creative which I’m a little uneasy about
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Yea it’s gotta be creative, they make decent wheels, just sucks the market is down another manufacturer if you could call the wizard that, not sure what happened with them but I’m sure gonna miss those wheels, RIP NFG 
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Decent wheels that don't slide :\ Not hating, just stating my experience.

You want to slide? F4/STFs (x97s too) everything else is grippy or sticky.

Yea I’m not a fan of creatives slide either, hence why I was skating NFG/Loops, prolly end up back on F4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: streetmeat on February 21, 2023, 05:30:15 PM
just had my first session on 56 Loopholes today for about 4 hours at the park. lots of slide, no bark. feel fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Shrinedescender on February 21, 2023, 07:52:19 PM
Been riding the a pair of 56mm wide cut Bones X97s around campus and I gotta say, these things are borderline magical. So many times I've pulled into crust I thought was gonna pitch me and I rolled right over and still maintained some speed. Also not sure if the ground on the parks around me are rougher than what's typical, but I have been whipping on these things at the park; faster than I expected despite it being a softer wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 21, 2023, 08:48:46 PM
The x97’s break in nicely too. Mine were kind of grippy at first but slide very nicely now and handle long distance skating well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on February 21, 2023, 10:48:10 PM
Are there any advantages riding 87a wheels over 78a wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roll_dog on February 22, 2023, 06:02:32 AM
Are there any advantages riding 87a wheels over 78a wheels?

I guess the best way I can word it is that you should only go as soft as you need. 78a wheels are great if you are rolling over some fucked up pavement, but 87a will be faster on a smoother surface.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 22, 2023, 08:06:37 AM
Are there any advantages riding 87a wheels over 78a wheels?

You can get into powerslides easier compared to 78a wheels (but not as easy as a hard wheel)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 22, 2023, 08:18:20 AM
Are there any advantages riding 87a wheels over 78a wheels?

Will feel faster on some terrain. Probably won't chunk out as easy if you try to slide them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on February 22, 2023, 12:21:08 PM
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You can get into powerslides easier compared to 78a wheels (but not as easy as a hard wheel)
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Will feel faster on some terrain. Probably won't chunk out as easy if you try to slide them.
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Are there any advantages riding 87a wheels over 78a wheels?
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I guess the best way I can word it is that you should only go as soft as you need. 78a wheels are great if you are rolling over some fucked up pavement, but 87a will be faster on a smoother surface.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blahblah999 on February 26, 2023, 09:13:59 AM
Got a set of the "new" Autobahn dual duros in the mail from Full Circle Distro. They appear to be the same construction as the ones from several years ago. Still made in the U.S. also. Very accurate bearing seats too and less wobbly runout crap than with a lot of other wheels.

I also noticed "Snot Wheels" are doing some wheels in dual duro now. Apparently they are made at a factory in Texas, if you care about such things. Never tried them but might at some point.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on February 26, 2023, 03:45:08 PM
Ordered a set of these since I've never really skated a set of OJs before: https://nhsskatedirect.com/products/56mm-sanbongi-2-original-mini-combo-99a-oj-skateboard-wheels?variant=41976901206173

They should fit my 8.5 setup w/ Ace 55s pretty well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on February 27, 2023, 06:36:39 AM
Got a set of the "new" Autobahn dual duros in the mail from Full Circle Distro. They appear to be the same construction as the ones from several years ago. Still made in the U.S. also. Very accurate bearing seats too and less wobbly runout crap than with a lot of other wheels.

I also noticed "Snot Wheels" are doing some wheels in dual duro now. Apparently they are made at a factory in Texas, if you care about such things. Never tried them but might at some point.

If anyone grabs these please lemme know how these run, I asked about another brand that uses the same factory, and they snuffed me on the answer, while I won’t be buying anything from them in the future I would like to know about the other brands that use this factory out of Texas
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on February 27, 2023, 12:06:22 PM
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Got a set of the "new" Autobahn dual duros in the mail from Full Circle Distro. They appear to be the same construction as the ones from several years ago. Still made in the U.S. also. Very accurate bearing seats too and less wobbly runout crap than with a lot of other wheels.

I also noticed "Snot Wheels" are doing some wheels in dual duro now. Apparently they are made at a factory in Texas, if you care about such things. Never tried them but might at some point.
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If anyone grabs these please lemme know how these run, I asked about another brand that uses the same factory, and they snuffed me on the answer, while I won’t be buying anything from them in the future I would like to know about the other brands that use this factory out of Texas

They have the same core, so it's likely


(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTDUADURULT53100_1024x1024.jpg?v=1622222924)
(https://www.tactics.com/a/dzk3/1b/snot-clear-cores-skateboard-wheels-purple-core.webp)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on February 28, 2023, 03:27:42 PM
If I buy 52mm Loophole wheels in the teardrop shape, which size can I actually expect? Seems like the sizes are never right and up to 2mm off, which would be kinda ok if they are 54mm, but I'd hate to spend the money if they're gonna be 50mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 28, 2023, 03:31:59 PM
If I buy 52mm Loophole wheels in the teardrop shape, which size can I actually expect? Seems like the sizes are never right and up to 2mm off, which would be kinda ok if they are 54mm, but I'd hate to spend the money if they're gonna be 50mm.


People have said the NFG MFG wheels are usually smaller than what is listed, very rarely saying they were the same size or larger.

Guessing 52mm might be 52 or 51 going by what others have said.


Also given they are done and out of business, there would only be limited stock in these, unless they are the new Loophole wheels from Creative - speculation, but it makes sense that is where they are from.

In that case they would most likely be 52mm in size, as they have had their manufacturing dialled down for years, but they wouldn't be the same wheel that people had talked about and loved on here for so long.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2023, 04:56:42 PM
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Got a set of the "new" Autobahn dual duros in the mail from Full Circle Distro. They appear to be the same construction as the ones from several years ago. Still made in the U.S. also. Very accurate bearing seats too and less wobbly runout crap than with a lot of other wheels.

I also noticed "Snot Wheels" are doing some wheels in dual duro now. Apparently they are made at a factory in Texas, if you care about such things. Never tried them but might at some point.
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If anyone grabs these please lemme know how these run, I asked about another brand that uses the same factory, and they snuffed me on the answer, while I won’t be buying anything from them in the future I would like to know about the other brands that use this factory out of Texas
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They have the same core, so it's likely


(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1643/1067/products/WHEAUTDUADURULT53100_1024x1024.jpg?v=1622222924)
(https://www.tactics.com/a/dzk3/1b/snot-clear-cores-skateboard-wheels-purple-core.webp)

All the more reason to NOT buy them...you won't be sliding shit with those.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rosemaryBB on March 01, 2023, 10:15:34 AM
Did anyone else not know Autobahn still existed?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blahblah999 on March 01, 2023, 11:11:27 AM
This guy didn't have problems sliding on the Snot 99A dual duro wheels.

https://youtu.be/JjqtgB_QrU0
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on March 01, 2023, 11:51:40 AM
If I buy 52mm Loophole wheels in the teardrop shape, which size can I actually expect? Seems like the sizes are never right and up to 2mm off, which would be kinda ok if they are 54mm, but I'd hate to spend the money if they're gonna be 50mm.

yea any of the new ones you’ll be alright with, creative will have all the QC issues dialed
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on March 01, 2023, 04:12:49 PM
The Shin Sanbongi 56mm OJ mini-combos look really dope:

(https://i.imgur.com/u2LGGeh.jpg)

They feel like a soft 99a, maybe closer to a Spitfire 97a. I've written off OJ in the past, but these feel pretty great. Maybe not as instantly great out of the box as F4, but still pretty good. The look and graphic are top notch though. Going to try this as a jack of all setup on my 8.5 for a bit.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on March 01, 2023, 05:16:59 PM
This guy didn't have problems sliding on the Snot 99A dual duro wheels.

https://youtu.be/JjqtgB_QrU0

I didn’t have any trouble sliding them either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on March 02, 2023, 07:59:25 AM
What are 84b wheels like ?

(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/643711/files/52867378/1652x1652x2/bones-bones-spf-p5-84b-sky-brown-warrior-56mm-whit.jpg)

lol i think these actually look pretty dope ... its too bad the art was not better on the graphic but the idea is cool
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on March 02, 2023, 08:21:04 AM
What are 84b wheels like ?

(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/643711/files/52867378/1652x1652x2/bones-bones-spf-p5-84b-sky-brown-warrior-56mm-whit.jpg)

lol i think these actually look pretty dope ... its too bad the art was not better on the graphic but the idea is cool

84b is my personal preference for a transition wheel in concrete skateparks. They’re fantastic at keeping speed and momentum whereas I’ve found 99a F4 to be slightly saggy on the same surface. If you’re primarily an F4 rider, these will feel faster and more slippery which some folks don’t jive with. They’re not ice-balls per se, they do grip well, but they have different traction breakaway characteristics compared to a grippy-chattery F4 99a.

I’m hoping to try the 101 F4s at my park soon and they’ll probably be a better comparison to the 84bs.
The downside of SPF is they’re single purpose wheels, they’re unusable outside of a skatepark or maybe an LA sidewalk.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on March 02, 2023, 08:23:36 AM
they sound awesome besides the fact i cant ride them on street :(  i guess i would be better to just stick with STF if i want bones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on March 02, 2023, 08:31:45 AM
What are 84b wheels like ?

They are not an all around wheel, but they are the best in certain situations.

If it is a smooth concrete bowl they are my favorite wheel hands down.  They are the fastest wheel I have used in this environment.  Grip is good for being so hard. They can revert/slide some, but not as well as an STF or F4 101 so if it's not a street type park wheel.  If you are doing boardslides on a ledge they do stick more than the ones above.

On pavement they are horrible.  Chattery and no benefits over any of the other hard wheels. 

I always have a board with SPFs and ceramic bearings set up for my local flow/bowl park.   I always have another board set up for when I'm not there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 02, 2023, 10:47:17 PM
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Just in case anyone is confused by the different ratings scales, the easiest way to work things out is like this:

A scale - only goes up to 100, so technically you can't have a 101 A wheel, but a lot of companies do it anyway.

70 - 80 A way softer than everything
80 - 89 A is a very soft skateboard wheel, more for cruisers and the like
90 - 95 A is still a soft wheel, but can usually make noise and slide more like a normal wheel
96-97 A is a slightly softer / more girppy wheel, but way more like a normal wheel
98-101 A is a "normal" skateboard wheel, hard and fast, will make noise when sliding more often than not


B scale - 20 points lower in comparison to the A scale, but can go a lot higher than the usual A scale too.

80 - 84 B equals 100 to 104 A, if there was a comparison, so they are "off the chart" so to speak when being compared to the A scale.


Working in skate shops and being very aware of this, I have seen many times where people get the scales confused, or don't even realise there are two different scales, so people who want soft wheels buy Bones 84B, or others who have had hard wheels buy the 80 duro wheels, or something like the Spitfire 80HD (80 on the A scale) or something similar thinking they were hard wheels when in fact they are not and are very soft.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on March 08, 2023, 01:49:14 PM
Did anybody ever actually measure the durometer of wheels? Preferably on the more accurate B-scale.

I just don't buy that F4 99a and STF 99a are actually the same hardness.
If F4 is a true 99a, then stf gotta be 98 or something.

It would generally be interesting to measure all kinds of wheels, since the A scale is inaccurate at high hardnesses, so a lot of wheels probably aren't what they claim. Especially "101a" wheels are probably all over the place.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on March 08, 2023, 02:00:13 PM
Did anybody ever actually measure the durometer of wheels? Preferably on the more accurate B-scale.

I just don't buy that F4 99a and STF 99a are actually the same hardness.
If F4 is a true 99a, then stf gotta be 98 or something.

It would generally be interesting to measure all kinds of wheels, since the A scale is inaccurate at high hardnesses, so a lot of wheels probably aren't what they claim. Especially "101a" wheels are probably all over the place.

Yeah, I’d definitely like to see a real comparison. I have both STF99A and F499A, and they’re so different.
In the cold my F4s slide all over the ramps, and the STF is much stickier.

NFG measured in the D scale or some other. Which they said is even better, since the B scale uses a pointier needle or something, which will make it inaccurate, as it will start to puncture the wheel before you can have an accurate reading.

Someone in the right spot with the right tools and knowhow, should definitely make a chart.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Made In China on March 09, 2023, 09:46:18 AM
I'm looking for wheels for a cruiser set up that'll be smoother than the 99a wheels on my normal set up, but will still let me do slappys, slides, and some occasional flip tricks. Anyone have any recommendations?

Some wheels I was looking at:

Spitfire 80HD - I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on here but something about these are really appealing
OJ Mini Super Juice 78A - I've heard good things about these but I'm afraid they might be too soft for what I'm looking for
Spitfire F4 97D - Not sure if these will be that much different than 99a but I'm curious. Also seem hard to find
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 09, 2023, 10:01:22 AM
I'm looking for wheels for a cruiser set up that'll be smoother than the 99a wheels on my normal set up, but will still let me do slappys, slides, and some occasional flip tricks. Anyone have any recommendations?

Some wheels I was looking at:

Spitfire 80HD - I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on here but something about these are really appealing
OJ Mini Super Juice 78A - I've heard good things about these but I'm afraid they might be too soft for what I'm looking for
Spitfire F4 97D - Not sure if these will be that much different than 99a but I'm curious. Also seem hard to find

Bones x97
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on March 09, 2023, 10:01:32 AM
I'm looking for wheels for a cruiser set up that'll be smoother than the 99a wheels on my normal set up, but will still let me do slappys, slides, and some occasional flip tricks. Anyone have any recommendations?

Some wheels I was looking at:

Spitfire 80HD - I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on here but something about these are really appealing
OJ Mini Super Juice 78A - I've heard good things about these but I'm afraid they might be too soft for what I'm looking for
Spitfire F4 97D - Not sure if these will be that much different than 99a but I'm curious. Also seem hard to find

If you still want to slide and stuff, the 97s are the only above that will do that. But they're really not a cruiser wheel in the truest sense, and will feel closer to the 99s than the rest. Still, they do rule.

OJ keyframes are decent. They'll roll over anything and while they're a little sticky on slides you can still pull them off. Once I broke my set in, I could even do little reverts on them.

I've heard good things about the Powell Dragons, but I have a bias against them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 09, 2023, 11:14:13 AM
I'm looking for wheels for a cruiser set up that'll be smoother than the 99a wheels on my normal set up, but will still let me do slappys, slides, and some occasional flip tricks. Anyone have any recommendations?

Some wheels I was looking at:

Spitfire 80HD - I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on here but something about these are really appealing
OJ Mini Super Juice 78A - I've heard good things about these but I'm afraid they might be too soft for what I'm looking for
Spitfire F4 97D - Not sure if these will be that much different than 99a but I'm curious. Also seem hard to find

I wouldn't consider F4 97a, they serve a different purpose that isn't for dedicated cruiser boards.

Powell Peralta Dragons are great for what you seem to want, and they come in a small variety of sizes. The one with the widest riding surface and diameter is the 60mm Rat Bones version. The G Bones version is 64mm but I think it has a smaller riding surface compared to the Rat Bones version.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on March 09, 2023, 11:24:54 AM
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I'm looking for wheels for a cruiser set up that'll be smoother than the 99a wheels on my normal set up, but will still let me do slappys, slides, and some occasional flip tricks. Anyone have any recommendations?

Some wheels I was looking at:

Spitfire 80HD - I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on here but something about these are really appealing
OJ Mini Super Juice 78A - I've heard good things about these but I'm afraid they might be too soft for what I'm looking for
Spitfire F4 97D - Not sure if these will be that much different than 99a but I'm curious. Also seem hard to find
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I wouldn't consider F4 97a, they serve a different purpose that isn't for dedicated cruiser boards.

Powell Peralta Dragons are great for what you seem to want, and they come in a small variety of sizes. The one with the widest riding surface and diameter is the 60mm Rat Bones version. The G Bones version is 64mm but I think it has a smaller riding surface compared to the Rat Bones version.

Seconding this. Dragons is the answer, they fit your needs profile to a T. Are they lame? Yeah, probably. But they also work great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on March 09, 2023, 12:19:42 PM
I'm looking for wheels for a cruiser set up that'll be smoother than the 99a wheels on my normal set up, but will still let me do slappys, slides, and some occasional flip tricks. Anyone have any recommendations?

Some wheels I was looking at:

Spitfire 80HD - I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on here but something about these are really appealing
OJ Mini Super Juice 78A - I've heard good things about these but I'm afraid they might be too soft for what I'm looking for
Spitfire F4 97D - Not sure if these will be that much different than 99a but I'm curious. Also seem hard to find

Yeah powell dragons, feel pretty similar to an OJ keyframe, but a bit harder, when rolling. They slide and skate good. Not quite as good as a hard wheel but far better than anything else in that durometer range. You can just get the ones that are the same size and shape as your 99a street wheels too.

edit: (conflict of interest lol but I'm trying to sell some used, 56mm v6 dragons probably about 55mm now, I have too many sets of wheels, will let them go for very cheap if you're interested in trying)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 09, 2023, 02:44:50 PM
I haven't spent much time on them so take my review with a grain of salt but the new 80HDs feel pretty good. Unlike some soft wheels they feel like a harder wheel that can mash over shitty surfaces with ease. I really like the Classic Full shape version. Mine are 56mm.

If you want to retain more a regular wheel 'feel' while riding the shittiest of surfaces, these could be it. If you prefer the feel of a soft wheel, I'd go with Mini Superjucies. Both seem to hold their speed as well as each other IMO. 80Hds will slide better, if you are one of those monsters that likes to slide cruiser wheels.

I hear Spitfire is working on some kind of hybrid wheel right now...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on March 09, 2023, 04:06:36 PM
I haven't spent much time on them so take my review with a grain of salt but the new 80HDs feel pretty good. Unlike some soft wheels they feel like a harder wheel that can mash over shitty surfaces with ease. I really like the Classic Full shape version. Mine are 56mm.

If you want to retain more a regular wheel 'feel' while riding the shittiest of surfaces, these could be it. If you prefer the feel of a soft wheel, I'd go with Mini Superjucies. Both seem to hold their speed as well as each other IMO. 80Hds will slide better, if you are one of those monsters that likes to slide crustier wheels.

I hear Spitfire is working on some kind of hybrid wheel right now...

Mini super juices are a blast on rough ground. They’re almost a long board wheel. They will bite and pitch you if you aren’t clean with the landing though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 09, 2023, 05:51:52 PM
OJ dual duro wheels release on 4/20 (of course that's the release date :v)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cpkyv5ZpAf0/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY%3D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 09, 2023, 09:21:25 PM
OJ dual duro wheels release on 4/20 (of course that's the release date :v)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cpkyv5ZpAf0/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY%3D

The gimmick lover in me wants a set but at $56 that’s too much.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on March 10, 2023, 02:03:53 PM
What wheels are best for bombing hills?  I have some 56mm 99a conical fulls, 54mm 99a tablets, 54mm 103a stf (forgot the version), but I’m open to getting a new set.  Going to hills I used to hit as a kid when I didn’t care or know anything about gear.

Edit: added duro
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on March 10, 2023, 02:30:26 PM
What wheels are best for bombing hills?  I have some 56mm conical fulls, 54mm tablets, 54mm stf (forgot the version), but I’m open to getting a new set.  Going to hills I used to hit as a kid when I didn’t care or know anything about gear.

radial fulls dawg
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: elegant_fox on March 10, 2023, 02:37:37 PM
What wheels are best for bombing hills?  I have some 56mm conical fulls, 54mm tablets, 54mm stf (forgot the version), but I’m open to getting a new set.  Going to hills I used to hit as a kid when I didn’t care or know anything about gear.

Thunder juices
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: streetmeat on March 11, 2023, 04:08:24 AM
been on the Loophole 56Vs for a few weeks now. mostly sessions at new/smooth outdoor park that is very dusty due to ongoing construction around it. at first they were stupid slick but now they have good grip and a very loud bark (which i love). sometimes i feel like i'm crazy cause i honestly cant tell the subtle differences between wheels like some of you. considering i came from a set of 50mm tablets to these, it only took a couple hours to get used to them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: nectar on March 11, 2023, 04:40:04 PM
64 Powell Dragons
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Post by: nectar on March 11, 2023, 04:42:13 PM
64 Powell Dragons (https://i.ibb.co/sKQSPsC/IMG-20230310-005400877.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sKQSPsC)free image uploader (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on March 11, 2023, 08:35:03 PM
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OJ dual duro wheels release on 4/20 (of course that's the release date :v)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cpkyv5ZpAf0/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY%3D
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The gimmick lover in me wants a set but at $56 that’s too much.

Where did you see they were going to be $56? Thunder Juice are 75mm and they’re not even that much.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 11, 2023, 08:41:42 PM
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OJ dual duro wheels release on 4/20 (of course that's the release date :v)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cpkyv5ZpAf0/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY%3D
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The gimmick lover in me wants a set but at $56 that’s too much.
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Where did you see they were going to be $56? Thunder Juice are 75mm and they’re not even that much.

https://nhsskatedirect.com/blogs/nhs-skate-direct/two-durometers-in-one-wheel-introducing-oj-double-durometer
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on March 11, 2023, 11:47:55 PM
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OJ dual duro wheels release on 4/20 (of course that's the release date :v)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cpkyv5ZpAf0/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY%3D
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The gimmick lover in me wants a set but at $56 that’s too much.
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Where did you see they were going to be $56? Thunder Juice are 75mm and they’re not even that much.
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https://nhsskatedirect.com/blogs/nhs-skate-direct/two-durometers-in-one-wheel-introducing-oj-double-durometer

Holy fuck! That price better drop or no one is buying them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on March 13, 2023, 12:27:15 PM
Can anyone compare Ricta 101 vs OJ 101? Both Elite versions.

Skated a set of 53mm round shape Ricta 101s and grew fond of them. Curious how different the OJ Elite formula compares. Would be same shape and size.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 13, 2023, 12:48:07 PM
Can anyone compare Ricta 101 vs OJ 101? Both Elite versions.

Skated a set of 53mm round shape Ricta 101s and grew fond of them. Curious how different the OJ Elite formula compares. Would be same shape and size.

Both in 101a are very hard but Ricta slide much easier than the Elites, both are grippy, but Elites are grippy grippy (moreso, obviously, with the 99a); Ricta wear faster (just regular wear, not necessarily slide wear) and the 99a ricta slide better than an Elite 99 but not as good as a Spit 99 (but close enough to get by)..

The round Ricta and the OJ easy edge are essentially the same shape 32 mm wheel width, but the Ricta has a slightly smaller riding surface by 2 mm or so.  Ricta wide are essentially ok hardlines.

Big fan of the Ricta Mid shape (STF V5). What did you like about the round wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on March 13, 2023, 11:22:49 PM
Thanks for the info. I ordered another set of the Rictas. For me they didn't slide that well when brand new but once worn in a bit they feel great.

Round shapes just look right to me. I think they slide/grind and flip better than square shapes as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on March 14, 2023, 09:05:40 AM
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Since NFG was seemingly done I snagged a couple sets of the 58mm NFG Vee Shape (52D) wheels from the shop before they were potentially gone forever.

They looked weird to me so I measured. They’re all just slightly over 56mm in diameter. They’re also like a quarter inch narrower than the much older worn 54mm’s (52D) and not-so-worn 56mm’s (95A) that I have.

Weird.
I hope NFG isn’t done. Their original IG was gone but looks like there’s two (newer?) IG accounts: NFG NFG Distribution and NFG Manufacturing.

Anyone have more info?
Maybe they’re not done and instead they’re just… pivoting.
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Not sure if they're completely done or not, the Wizard has been kind of vague about that. It doesn't sound like they sold the equipment and he seems to be on the fence about calling it a hiatus and coming back when they have some money to pay the technicians with. Either way around it we're going to be NFG-less for the forseeable future as I'm pretty sure they moved out of the building that they were using to make wheels out of.

That sizing inaccuracy is an old issue, they didn't account for the change in size that would happen in the manufacturing process when they ordered the molds, and those molds are pretty expensive so they used them regardless. They were planning on getting new and more accurate molds at some point but I guess couldn't get around to it.

Those instagram accounts are old, actually, they registered them so that no one else would take those usernames.
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On the NFG front..  Looks like Loophole just posted about their Spring 23 prebook with "a new formula offered in 99a and 101a"  Seeing as NFG doesn't offer those duros points to Loophole possibly having jumped ship. https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CoqJDOMSnSW/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)

What the fuck no shomo taketa wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on March 14, 2023, 10:55:14 AM
…but who’s pouring the wheels?
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Post by: CaptainCheeks on March 14, 2023, 11:18:50 AM
…but who’s pouring the wheels?

Apparently a new company from SF according to their Instagram. I'm cool as long as it isn't creative
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on March 14, 2023, 11:53:37 AM
I get its a small company but putting up graphics for your wheels that you haven't made yet is some budget shit. Also my 56mm v cuts measured at 55mm and it seems to be most people's experience with em. Good wheels tho. At least the NFG poured ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on March 14, 2023, 12:38:06 PM
I've been skating 52 mm 99a speedring slims for almost two years and I have no issues sliding at all. Yes, two years, i don't skate as transportation ever, don't bomb hills nearly as often as I should and I don't skate rough ground. They're actually great, but I'll switch them out for something when my isotopes and metallics show up this week. I think I'll start with the Tjs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on March 14, 2023, 12:57:25 PM
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…but who’s pouring the wheels?
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Apparently a new company from SF according to their Instagram. I'm cool as long as it isn't creative

Local SF is good, agreed and thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on March 14, 2023, 01:58:37 PM
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…but who’s pouring the wheels?
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Apparently a new company from SF according to their Instagram. I'm cool as long as it isn't creative

damn did they finally answer? or did someone finally man up & dm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: zozu on March 14, 2023, 07:26:26 PM
sold my cruiser setup last year but looking to get another one, previously had 55mm Super Juices which I liked.

Only thing really similar that I can get at the moment is some Mini Logo 55mm 80a wheels, has anyone tried both and can say if they are comparable?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 14, 2023, 08:14:35 PM
sold my cruiser setup last year but looking to get another one, previously had 55mm Super Juices which I liked.

Only thing really similar that I can get at the moment is some Mini Logo 55mm 80a wheels, has anyone tried both and can say if they are comparable?

In my experience they felt similar, but the Mini Logos didn't feel like they sunk into the ground much compared to Super Juices, which may be a pro or con. They are also a symmetrical shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on March 14, 2023, 08:18:46 PM
I get its a small company but putting up graphics for your wheels that you haven't made yet is some budget shit. Also my 56mm v cuts measured at 55mm and it seems to be most people's experience with em. Good wheels tho. At least the NFG poured ones.

100% of the industry is budget by those standards
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on March 15, 2023, 05:24:43 AM
Making catalogs for upcoming seasons is some budget shit!
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Post by: streetmeat on March 15, 2023, 05:30:24 AM
making product at all is budget
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 15, 2023, 05:37:52 AM
Making catalogs for upcoming seasons is some budget shit!
I mean they lost their wheel supplier probably in the middle of making a drop so you can’t really blame them can you?
(Says the guy sitting on 10 sets of NFG wheels)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on March 15, 2023, 07:11:14 AM
Wait… I thought that’s what all companies do? Like put out a pre book so you can see what they gonna have in the next season or whatever? Meh I’ll support them no matter where they go, cool they found another wheel maker in SF
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on March 15, 2023, 08:46:59 AM
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I get its a small company but putting up graphics for your wheels that you haven't made yet is some budget shit. Also my 56mm v cuts measured at 55mm and it seems to be most people's experience with em. Good wheels tho. At least the NFG poured ones.
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100% of the industry is budget by those standards
The rest of the industry make samples of the products and take photos of those for the catalogue, not png's of the wheel graphics exported straight out of illustrator and advertise wheels that "could be reality" if you order. They don't even overlay the graphics onto imaginary wheels to approximate the shape and look of the wheel. Fuck it, I'll still support. Just looking like struggle season over there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Quique on March 16, 2023, 03:58:31 PM
Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info
(https://i.ibb.co/LxgvHB7/Screenshot-20230316-190320.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on March 16, 2023, 05:32:50 PM
Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info
(https://i.ibb.co/LxgvHB7/Screenshot-20230316-190320.png)

Those look real, they are also ancient relics, I don't think Spitfire has made wheels that size in nearly 30 years
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 16, 2023, 08:48:38 PM
Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info



*  They look closest to some wheels in the 1994 catalog


You are looking at some 1992 - 1993 (and even 1994 through 1995 from the catalog pics below) specials right there.

Funny how Spitfire have often done XX.5 mm wheels over the years, like they just wanted to do a specific size or had to add the .5 in there just for fun.

For collectors, they might be worth a bit, but for anyone else, they are probably going to feel terrible to actually skate, unless you really want to build up your pushing leg / pumping muscles.

If they were on period correct trucks or even a complete, that would be one worth seeing too.

Things were weird around that time, in the middle of the BPSW era - Big Pants Small Wheels - if you didn't get the reference.


Edit:


http://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-ever-shrinking-wheel.html


For anyone who is keen to have a good look at some history in the wheel department, this is amazing.

Well worth having a look at the catalog pics.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hayduke lives on March 16, 2023, 09:09:16 PM
Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info
(https://i.ibb.co/LxgvHB7/Screenshot-20230316-190320.png)

also curious about what trucks those are. guessing composite baseplate gullwings, maybe street shadows?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Quique on March 16, 2023, 10:46:16 PM
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Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info
(https://i.ibb.co/LxgvHB7/Screenshot-20230316-190320.png)
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also curious about what trucks those are. guessing composite baseplate gullwings, maybe street shadows?

Street pro 3 with the plastic baseplate, good eye.

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Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info

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*  They look closest to some wheels in the 1994 catalog


You are looking at some 1992 - 1993 (and even 1994 through 1995 from the catalog pics below) specials right there.

Funny how Spitfire have often done XX.5 mm wheels over the years, like they just wanted to do a specific size or had to add the .5 in there just for fun.

For collectors, they might be worth a bit, but for anyone else, they are probably going to feel terrible to actually skate, unless you really want to build up your pushing leg / pumping muscles.

If they were on period correct trucks or even a complete, that would be one worth seeing too.

Things were weird around that time, in the middle of the BPSW era - Big Pants Small Wheels - if you didn't get the reference.


Edit:


http://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-ever-shrinking-wheel.html


For anyone who is keen to have a good look at some history in the wheel department, this is amazing.

Well worth having a look at the catalog pics.


Thanks that was a good read, yeah the set seems to be from the mid 90s but unfortunately the seller has only one truck, so I'm probably not gonna buy it.

Didn't spitfire launch the f4s with 55.5mm wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2023, 03:59:35 AM
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Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info
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also curious about what trucks those are. guessing composite baseplate gullwings, maybe street shadows?
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Street pro 3 with the plastic baseplate, good eye.

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Found these on marketplace, anybody knows if they're real? Couldn't find any info

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*  They look closest to some wheels in the 1994 catalog


You are looking at some 1992 - 1993 (and even 1994 through 1995 from the catalog pics below) specials right there.

Funny how Spitfire have often done XX.5 mm wheels over the years, like they just wanted to do a specific size or had to add the .5 in there just for fun.

For collectors, they might be worth a bit, but for anyone else, they are probably going to feel terrible to actually skate, unless you really want to build up your pushing leg / pumping muscles.

If they were on period correct trucks or even a complete, that would be one worth seeing too.

Things were weird around that time, in the middle of the BPSW era - Big Pants Small Wheels - if you didn't get the reference.


Edit:


http://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-ever-shrinking-wheel.html


For anyone who is keen to have a good look at some history in the wheel department, this is amazing.

Well worth having a look at the catalog pics.


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Thanks that was a good read, yeah the set seems to be from the mid 90s but unfortunately the seller has only one truck, so I'm probably not gonna buy it.

Didn't spitfire launch the f4s with 55.5mm wheels?


i thought they came out first with the 52 mm Classic shape, then made 54 and 56 mm Classics, along with a shape they called "Full" which was more a Conical Full type of thing, but I don't recall any .5 sizes in their first range.

They did do 54.5 mm Formula Four Classic Full wheels for Cardiel, which I have a set of still - such a good shape, but I have lots of others so these will most likely stay in shrink.  The first set of them I had did get skated though.


The 1996 and 1997 catalogs had all the bigger sizes with 60.5 being a common one that I saw earlier too.

Link here:


https://radpursuits.com/90s-skateboard-wheels/



This one is even more interesting from a much broader view of wheels in that era, from 45 mm to 65 mm wheels on the last page from that spread.


Worth a look there too.






Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on March 17, 2023, 10:15:43 AM


http://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-ever-shrinking-wheel.html


For anyone who is keen to have a good look at some history in the wheel department, this is amazing.

Well worth having a look at the catalog pics.

Anyone have any history on the Formula One Faze 4 One-Bearing Wheel in the 1993 catalog?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on March 18, 2023, 12:25:36 AM
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http://vertisdead.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-ever-shrinking-wheel.html


For anyone who is keen to have a good look at some history in the wheel department, this is amazing.

Well worth having a look at the catalog pics.
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Anyone have any history on the Formula One Faze 4 One-Bearing Wheel in the 1993 catalog?


reminds me of tracker e-clips trucks and other gimmicks that were prevalent at the time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blahblah999 on March 18, 2023, 08:43:25 AM
Very funny looking at those old catalog pages. Some people I knew continued to ride sub-50mm wheels up through '96 or so.

The really small wheels also tended to be narrower than a regular wheel which meant truck axles got jacked up more. So besides rolling like crap and being more prone to flat spots that's another reason I was glad to see them go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2023, 05:41:41 PM
Very funny looking at those old catalog pages. Some people I knew continued to ride sub-50mm wheels up through '96 or so.

The really small wheels also tended to be narrower than a regular wheel which meant truck axles got jacked up more. So besides rolling like crap and being more prone to flat spots that's another reason I was glad to see them go.


For sure.

The other funny thing was when wheels did get a bit bigger overall, people would still ride them down to almost nothing, so they ended up looking like old Mini Cubic wheels, wider than they were tall, when they were near the end of their life.  I still see some kids riding hand me down wheels (and everything else for that matter) that are beyond what most people would call a reasonable size, but at least they are skating and usually happy to get whatever they can from anyone else.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: blahblah999 on March 19, 2023, 06:36:35 AM


For sure.

The other funny thing was when wheels did get a bit bigger overall, people would still ride them down to almost nothing, so they ended up looking like old Mini Cubic wheels, wider than they were tall, when they were near the end of their life.  I still see some kids riding hand me down wheels (and everything else for that matter) that are beyond what most people would call a reasonable size, but at least they are skating and usually happy to get whatever they can from anyone else.

Most people I knew back then would ride anything on a complete until they couldn't anymore. If I had used gear I was changing out I'd offer it to friends or random kids hanging around.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on March 24, 2023, 09:12:03 AM
Any opinions on the Bones Original Formula 100's? Been loving my OJ Elite Hardline 99s for an all-around wheel, and all the Spitfire F4's I've been on have been pretty great. But right now I'm looking to try something else just for fun. Are they worth it? I skate mostly transitions, also quite a lot of ashphalt, although not looking for softer wheels at the mo', I like them hard.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on March 24, 2023, 11:25:08 AM
Any opinions on the Bones Original Formula 100's? Been loving my OJ Elite Hardline 99s for an all-around wheel, and all the Spitfire F4's I've been on have been pretty great. But right now I'm looking to try something else just for fun. Are they worth it? I skate mostly transitions, also quite a lot of ashphalt, although not looking for softer wheels at the mo', I like them hard.

You'll be downgrading by a whole lot.

They're supposed to be budget wheels for new skaters or those that need to save. It's a decent wheel on smooth surfaces, but very lack luster on rough surfaces (it can still roll, just not greatly). Flat spot durability isn't great either.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on March 24, 2023, 02:30:52 PM
I think it's just a classic urethane....better than a set of wheels made by a board company......
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on March 26, 2023, 05:30:20 AM
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Any opinions on the Bones Original Formula 100's? Been loving my OJ Elite Hardline 99s for an all-around wheel, and all the Spitfire F4's I've been on have been pretty great. But right now I'm looking to try something else just for fun. Are they worth it? I skate mostly transitions, also quite a lot of ashphalt, although not looking for softer wheels at the mo', I like them hard.
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You'll be downgrading by a whole lot.

They're supposed to be budget wheels for new skaters or those that need to save. It's a decent wheel on smooth surfaces, but very lack luster on rough surfaces (it can still roll, just not greatly). Flat spot durability isn't great either.

Thanks! Sounds like they're not worth the try.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on March 26, 2023, 05:45:54 PM
If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2023, 06:28:51 PM
If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!


I would say this is better answered in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, but what size would you like to have?  Both diameter and width?

The Conical 52 mm wheels are only 31 mm wide, which is pretty narrow, the 54mm barely over 32mm wide as well, so I am just wondering really what dimensions you would want?

You can use this as a reference for sizes, etc:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


You would most likely be one of the many people who would ride Radial Slims just going by the stock dimensions of those wheels, which really are almost the same shape and just a bit thinner than Conical wheels, certainly no more in weight or how they perform.

I have used an angle grinder on Conical wheels to thin out the profile before for other Slap pals, as well as doing that on older Conical Full wheels to give a more rounded lip as I prefer Classics that have worn down a bit, so it wouldn't be too hard to make something work from their existing range in a shape you prefer.

Just a thought anyway.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on March 26, 2023, 08:15:42 PM
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If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!
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I would say this is better answered in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, but what size would you like to have?  Both diameter and width?

The Conical 52 mm wheels are only 31 mm wide, which is pretty narrow, the 54mm barely over 32mm wide as well, so I am just wondering really what dimensions you would want?

You can use this as a reference for sizes, etc:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


You would most likely be one of the many people who would ride Radial Slims just going by the stock dimensions of those wheels, which really are almost the same shape and just a bit thinner than Conical wheels, certainly no more in weight or how they perform.

I have used an angle grinder on Conical wheels to thin out the profile before for other Slap pals, as well as doing that on older Conical Full wheels to give a more rounded lip as I prefer Classics that have worn down a bit, so it wouldn't be too hard to make something work from their existing range in a shape you prefer.

Just a thought anyway.

Thanks. I threw out the idea in the F4 Thread. I’m familiar with all the shapes.

What I really want is a Classic shape, that’s Conical. Basically, a Bones V5 shape. I like the lock in of a conical, but slimness of a classic shape. The riding surface of a Classic is perfect also.

I’ve skated Bones V5, and they were great, just didn’t slide the same as a F4.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 26, 2023, 08:30:43 PM
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If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!
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I would say this is better answered in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, but what size would you like to have?  Both diameter and width?

The Conical 52 mm wheels are only 31 mm wide, which is pretty narrow, the 54mm barely over 32mm wide as well, so I am just wondering really what dimensions you would want?

You can use this as a reference for sizes, etc:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


You would most likely be one of the many people who would ride Radial Slims just going by the stock dimensions of those wheels, which really are almost the same shape and just a bit thinner than Conical wheels, certainly no more in weight or how they perform.

I have used an angle grinder on Conical wheels to thin out the profile before for other Slap pals, as well as doing that on older Conical Full wheels to give a more rounded lip as I prefer Classics that have worn down a bit, so it wouldn't be too hard to make something work from their existing range in a shape you prefer.

Just a thought anyway.
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Thanks. I threw out the idea in the F4 Thread. I’m familiar with all the shapes.

What I really want is a Classic shape, that’s Conical. Basically, a Bones V5 shape. I like the lock in of a conical, but slimness of a classic shape. The riding surface of a Classic is perfect also.

I’ve skated Bones V5, and they were great, just didn’t slide the same as a F4.

Radial Slims are the truth, just a shame they stopped having them in the main product line, the ones still being sold are 101a only.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 26, 2023, 09:08:58 PM
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If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!
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I would say this is better answered in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, but what size would you like to have?  Both diameter and width?

The Conical 52 mm wheels are only 31 mm wide, which is pretty narrow, the 54mm barely over 32mm wide as well, so I am just wondering really what dimensions you would want?

You can use this as a reference for sizes, etc:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


You would most likely be one of the many people who would ride Radial Slims just going by the stock dimensions of those wheels, which really are almost the same shape and just a bit thinner than Conical wheels, certainly no more in weight or how they perform.

I have used an angle grinder on Conical wheels to thin out the profile before for other Slap pals, as well as doing that on older Conical Full wheels to give a more rounded lip as I prefer Classics that have worn down a bit, so it wouldn't be too hard to make something work from their existing range in a shape you prefer.

Just a thought anyway.
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Thanks. I threw out the idea in the F4 Thread. I’m familiar with all the shapes.

What I really want is a Classic shape, that’s Conical. Basically, a Bones V5 shape. I like the lock in of a conical, but slimness of a classic shape. The riding surface of a Classic is perfect also.

I’ve skated Bones V5, and they were great, just didn’t slide the same as a F4.
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Radial Slims are the truth, just a shame they stopped having them in the main product line, the ones still being sold are 101a only.

I'm still butthurt about this. FFS make some 99s...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on March 26, 2023, 09:35:21 PM
Next set of wheels I get are going to be Conicals. Seems to be the best I can get in F4’s for now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 27, 2023, 03:48:16 PM
Next set of wheels I get are going to be Conicals. Seems to be the best I can get in F4’s for now.


Sometimes settling on the "next best thing" is all you can do.

I get what you are saying about the shapes though, as I use a grinder to reshape wider / older wheels to my liking, more rounded edges on wide profile wheels, but that is just me.

What size do you usually ride, or what size are you looking at in the Conicals?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on March 29, 2023, 06:06:27 PM
I recently moved from a city to a smaller town about 30 min out side of the city. There’s a metal prefab park here. I hate metal parks it’s like ice. But I live close to a few stores so I was gonna set up an old 9” slave deck some of my poor QC aces with the ovaled pivot cup or maybe some Indy’s for a gas station beer run board.
 

My question is what wheels will go relatively decent on normal to rough side walks and maybe as a bonus be decent on a metal mini ramp. I don really wanna spend a lot for dragons or bones x cause I don’t plan on this being my main set up just something to cruise to grab a beer or something. Or to tool around on with my son. I have some 99a conical regs. My old  local has:
Orbs 85a pugs.
Acid 86a skaterade funner formula filmer wheels
Oj 87a key frames.
Triclops 95a
Triclops 92a
Bones x v5

The Triclops and orbs are the cheapest bones x most expensive.

I was looking for some cheap oj nomads but no luck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2023, 08:04:58 PM
I recently moved from a city to a smaller town about 30 min out side of the city. There’s a metal prefab park here. I hate metal parks it’s like ice. But I live close to a few stores so I was gonna set up an old 9” slave deck some of my poor QC aces with the ovaled pivot cup or maybe some Indy’s for a gas station beer run board.
 

My question is what wheels will go relatively decent on normal to rough side walks and maybe as a bonus be decent on a metal mini ramp. I don really wanna spend a lot for dragons or bones x cause I don’t plan on this being my main set up just something to cruise to grab a beer or something. Or to tool around on with my son. I have some 99a conical regs. My old  local has:
Orbs 85a pugs.
Acid 86a skaterade funner formula filmer wheels
Oj 87a key frames.
Triclops 95a
Triclops 92a
Bones x v5

The Triclops and orbs are the cheapest bones x most expensive.

I was looking for some cheap oj nomads but no luck


The Nomads seemed quite slick and slippery on skatelite and metal, so probably best not to go with those anyway.

If it comes down to size, I would take a bigger wheel in any softer option, but any of the high 80 to low 90 duro wheels would work for metal ramp as well as getting from A to B as a cruiser.

I haven't tried most of those, Triclops or Orbs in particular, so don't know what the formula is like, but those 92 duro Triclops might work well for that if you did want cheaper wheels to see what they were like.

From that selection alone, if there were Bones in 90 duro, they definitely work well, as do the OJ keyframes, but that is just me from what I know and trust to work for those conditions.

Mini logo 90 duro wheels are half the price of Bones and a really good formula for softer wheels that ride well over everything, but as they are not on the list, they don't count.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on March 29, 2023, 09:26:30 PM
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I recently moved from a city to a smaller town about 30 min out side of the city. There’s a metal prefab park here. I hate metal parks it’s like ice. But I live close to a few stores so I was gonna set up an old 9” slave deck some of my poor QC aces with the ovaled pivot cup or maybe some Indy’s for a gas station beer run board.
 

My question is what wheels will go relatively decent on normal to rough side walks and maybe as a bonus be decent on a metal mini ramp. I don really wanna spend a lot for dragons or bones x cause I don’t plan on this being my main set up just something to cruise to grab a beer or something. Or to tool around on with my son. I have some 99a conical regs. My old  local has:
Orbs 85a pugs.
Acid 86a skaterade funner formula filmer wheels
Oj 87a key frames.
Triclops 95a
Triclops 92a
Bones x v5

The Triclops and orbs are the cheapest bones x most expensive.

I was looking for some cheap oj nomads but no luck
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The Nomads seemed quite slick and slippery on skatelite and metal, so probably best not to go with those anyway.

If it comes down to size, I would take a bigger wheel in any softer option, but any of the high 80 to low 90 duro wheels would work for metal ramp as well as getting from A to B as a cruiser.

I haven't tried most of those, Triclops or Orbs in particular, so don't know what the formula is like, but those 92 duro Triclops might work well for that if you did want cheaper wheels to see what they were like.

From that selection alone, if there were Bones in 90 duro, they definitely work well, as do the OJ keyframes, but that is just me from what I know and trust to work for those conditions.

Mini logo 90 duro wheels are half the price of Bones and a really good formula for softer wheels that ride well over everything, but as they are not on the list, they don't count.

I just looked on their online shop and they usually have more in stock than the online shop shows.but they have mini logo 95a hybrid wheels. Idk what that is or how they are.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2023, 09:37:33 PM

I just looked on their online shop and they usually have more in stock than the online shop shows.but they have mini logo 95a hybrid wheels. Idk what that is or how they are.


The 95 duro wheels still skate well over everything, just a little more like the usual 99 duro wheels only a bit softer, compared to the cruiser wheels which are very soft and grippy at 80 to 90 duro.

After trying both 90 and 95 duro Mini Logo wheels a while back and keeping them on boards for others to use at the indoor park, they both held up well on slippery stuff and the 95 duro wheels were good as all rounders too.


I have 52, 54 and 56 mm in the 95s and 58 in the 90s, with the bigger ones being a lot more popular, but the smaller ones still work just as well.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on March 30, 2023, 12:17:36 AM
Recommendations for wheels for indoor wood parks?
I run 99d spit f4 classics atm, and seriously cant even push without risking to slide... Yeah, the park should be cleaned, but they dont
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on March 30, 2023, 12:57:10 AM
Recommendations for wheels for indoor wood parks?
I run 99d spit f4 classics atm, and seriously cant even push without risking to slide... Yeah, the park should be cleaned, but they dont

Friend of mine swears by OJ Keyframe 87s, but I tried them and they felt like flat tires on a car. Grippy yeah, but hella slow.

Spitfire 99s can be a bit slippery on wood, but I personally enjoy the slideability.

However, in my experience, OJ Elite Hardline 99s are great for indoor parks. They are not as slippery on wood as Spitfire 99s, and are still fast. The wide riding surface provides control in my experience.

I also tried the 93(?) Dragons but found them too sticky for me as well. It's a matter of preference I guess. I need to have that ability to do micro slides on transitions etc. and have the board react on instant, instead of just feeling like it's on a train track.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 30, 2023, 02:49:59 AM
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Recommendations for wheels for indoor wood parks?
I run 99d spit f4 classics atm, and seriously cant even push without risking to slide... Yeah, the park should be cleaned, but they dont
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Friend of mine swears by OJ Keyframe 87s, but I tried them and they felt like flat tires on a car. Grippy yeah, but hella slow.

Spitfire 99s can be a bit slippery on wood, but I personally enjoy the slideability.

However, in my experience, OJ Elite Hardline 99s are great for indoor parks. They are not as slippery on wood as Spitfire 99s, and are still fast. The wide riding surface provides control in my experience.

I also tried the 93(?) Dragons but found them too sticky for me as well. It's a matter of preference I guess. I need to have that ability to do micro slides on transitions etc. and have the board react on instant, instead of just feeling like it's on a train track.


People often have different experiences, but in general I think I had posted before that if you want more stability and don't want to slide out on any slick surface, be it a metal ramp, wood or other surface, indoor park, etc, something closer to 90 duro works better than something closer to 99 duro of any / every brand.

There are people who will ride the hardest wheels on the slickest surfaces and take it all in their stride, but then others who even just look a little one way or other, let alone lean one way or other will slip out and benefit from softer / more grippy wheels.


The 97 and even 95 duro options are ok too, but those formulas are still often going to slide maybe a bit too much, or still slide nicely for those who want more slide and less stick.

For more stick and less slip out, 90 to 93 duro wheels will often work well, as per the indoor park I help out with things, having quite a range of softer wheels in various brands and sizes.

Dragons have worked well - I don't own any but I have tried people's boards who skate them without issue and can still slide a bit on them without slipping out like they would on harder wheels.

Mini Logo come in 90, 95 and a good range of sizes too, without feeling like they were slowing things down compared to some other formula wheels.

Others I have around 90, 92, 93, 94 duro all work well, some skate faster than others, slightly bigger work better too, different shapes in some brands.


Lastly if you are more keen on grinds and slides (nose or tail slides) going for a higher duro will work better than a softer duro, but if all you want is not to slip out when skating around, then softer duro will probably work better overall.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 30, 2023, 07:31:12 AM
Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 30, 2023, 08:33:26 AM
Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.
The 54mm Classics look interested listed as 98a, how'd you rate the performance vs F4 99a, Bones 99a and X-Formula 97a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 30, 2023, 08:38:50 AM
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Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.
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The 54mm Classics look interested listed as 98a, how'd you rate the performance vs F4 99a, Bones 99a and X-Formula 97a?

If you remember the Black Label Econoline wheels from the early 2000’s that would be my best comparison. I rode those on regular basis back then and these feel just a touch firmer than those which work great for me on the mostly brick surfaces I end up riding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on March 30, 2023, 09:26:49 AM
Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.


Any plans on making something smaller? And who’s pouring them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 30, 2023, 10:25:05 AM
the oranges ones do look sick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 30, 2023, 10:26:46 AM
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Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.
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Any plans on making something smaller? And who’s pouring them?

Plans for 52mm in the summer. My top sellers have been the larger sizes so they’ve been priority. Next drop will be a 54mm Conical in the Demolition Formula.
Demolition Formula is coming out of Generator.
KOTR series from Point.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 30, 2023, 10:28:04 AM
the oranges ones do look sick.

Thanks so much @TwisT
MSX Graphics volunteered that for us.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2023, 04:57:02 PM
Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.




Suggest listing all the goodies:

Wheel width
Contact patch width
Include additional images to show the above
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 30, 2023, 06:17:14 PM
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Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.



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Suggest listing all the goodies:

Wheel width
Contact patch width
Include additional images to show the above

I thought about this as well but opted to keep it simple as I’m still in the early stages and to not overwhelm any beginner skaters that might be considering. Might find a way to get the profile of the wheels into the product shot to show the difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2023, 06:43:53 PM
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Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.



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Suggest listing all the goodies:

Wheel width
Contact patch width
Include additional images to show the above
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I thought about this as well but opted to keep it simple as I’m still in the early stages and to not overwhelm any beginner skaters that might be considering. Might find a way to get the profile of the wheels into the product shot to show the difference.

Profile at minimum so people at least can see what they're getting (I know you call out the shape) but we're all kooks and need to see the wheel shape =D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 30, 2023, 06:55:01 PM
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Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.



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Suggest listing all the goodies:

Wheel width
Contact patch width
Include additional images to show the above
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I thought about this as well but opted to keep it simple as I’m still in the early stages and to not overwhelm any beginner skaters that might be considering. Might find a way to get the profile of the wheels into the product shot to show the difference.
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Profile at minimum so people at least can see what they're getting (I know you call out the shape) but we're all kooks and need to see the wheel shape =D

You’re right about that. I’ll have to get those profile shots and get them up soon. If I add contact patch widths should I add weight too? No one else is doing that yet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2023, 07:00:13 PM
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Incoming shameless self promotion ( sorry in advance):
I just got my new wheels in and they turned out better than I pictured. I have a discount code for any fellow Slappers that want to try them out. Code: SLAPPALS will get you guys 15% off. I also have free shipping enabled.

https://www.coneswheels.com/

Also I’m open to any critiques you may have on the website.
Thanks in advance for checking it out and I may throw in a random freebie for you guys.



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Suggest listing all the goodies:

Wheel width
Contact patch width
Include additional images to show the above
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I thought about this as well but opted to keep it simple as I’m still in the early stages and to not overwhelm any beginner skaters that might be considering. Might find a way to get the profile of the wheels into the product shot to show the difference.
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Profile at minimum so people at least can see what they're getting (I know you call out the shape) but we're all kooks and need to see the wheel shape =D
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You’re right about that. I’ll have to get those profile shots and get them up soon. If I add contact patch widths should I add weight too? No one else is doing that yet.

Honestly I feel you'd be fine with just the profile pic and some text...the other stuff can come later if you get lots of inquiries? Less is more as they say.

Then you look at say, Street Plant: https://www.streetplant.com/products/52mm-street-scoundrels

All the deets no profile pic :P
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 30, 2023, 08:40:40 PM
Anybody have opinions on the spitfire og classics?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thanksgiving on March 30, 2023, 08:57:37 PM
Anybody have opinions on the spitfire og classics?
ever look at a conical full and think "i wish this was more like a tablet."?

me neither

in all seriousness i think the shape looks really good on a board, but unless u skate a lot of transition i cant see why u would want them over the conical full
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on March 31, 2023, 12:15:57 AM
Anybody have opinions on the spitfire og classics?

Love them. Probably my favorite shape among the F4 shapes. Skated a set of 55mm down to 52-53 last summer. I skate a lot of transitions, but haven't had a problem with them elsewhere. Currently rocking the thinner Classics for a change, but once I go back to more conical shapes again, will probably go with the OG Classics. 55mm is the magic size.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on April 01, 2023, 10:06:32 PM
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Next set of wheels I get are going to be Conicals. Seems to be the best I can get in F4’s for now.
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Sometimes settling on the "next best thing" is all you can do.

I get what you are saying about the shapes though, as I use a grinder to reshape wider / older wheels to my liking, more rounded edges on wide profile wheels, but that is just me.

What size do you usually ride, or what size are you looking at in the Conicals?

I’m having gear madness about my wheels. I like 54mm, but the last set I got were 53mm, and I’m having no problems. I’m almost thinking of getting 52mm next time I get wheels.

Last couple sets of wheels I’ve gotten have been Conical Full.

Thinking maybe 54mm Conicals for my next set? I’m honestly thinking of looking at Tablets now. The madness has got me…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BL0B on April 02, 2023, 12:18:20 AM
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Next set of wheels I get are going to be Conicals. Seems to be the best I can get in F4’s for now.
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Sometimes settling on the "next best thing" is all you can do.

I get what you are saying about the shapes though, as I use a grinder to reshape wider / older wheels to my liking, more rounded edges on wide profile wheels, but that is just me.

What size do you usually ride, or what size are you looking at in the Conicals?
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I’m having gear madness about my wheels. I like 54mm, but the last set I got were 53mm, and I’m having no problems. I’m almost thinking of getting 52mm next time I get wheels.

Last couple sets of wheels I’ve gotten have been Conical Full.

Thinking maybe 54mm Conicals for my next set? I’m honestly thinking of looking at Tablets now. The madness has got me…


buy two sets of tablets and call me in the in the morning. i'm a Dr. from the Internets.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on April 05, 2023, 08:42:26 AM
Speaking of Radials, pretty stoked on these babies that just arrived today. The Oski 55mm 99s.

(https://i.ibb.co/xFh5jDg/IMG-7996.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xFh5jDg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on April 11, 2023, 11:32:45 AM
Loophole posted an Instagram story of wheels being printed. It's definitely the same printing machine as Acid Chemical Co.

Seems like that answers the who is pouring question.

Edit* Screenshots for permanence
(https://i.ibb.co/rbXDyXF/Screenshot-20230411-182102.png) (https://ibb.co/rbXDyXF)(https://i.ibb.co/0ngDZMS/Screenshot-20230411-182120.png) (https://ibb.co/0ngDZMS)

https://instagram.com/stories/loopholewheels/3078744877671330472?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 13, 2023, 06:15:54 AM
Finally got a response from Loophole as well, they said they are being made by some guy John that’s friends with Tony Alva lol, made and printed in Southern Cali. So the acid chemical wheel co assumption is prolly correct
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on April 13, 2023, 07:08:27 AM
Finally got a response from Loophole as well, they said they are being made by some guy John that’s friends with Tony Alva lol, made and printed in Southern Cali. So the acid chemical wheel co assumption is prolly correct

Acid does pour a good wheel too but its a very different feeling wheel than NFG
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 13, 2023, 07:24:39 AM
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Finally got a response from Loophole as well, they said they are being made by some guy John that’s friends with Tony Alva lol, made and printed in Southern Cali. So the acid chemical wheel co assumption is prolly correct
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Acid does pour a good wheel too but its a very different feeling wheel than NFG

Never skated them, prolly not gonna like them but I’m gonna get a set to check out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on April 13, 2023, 10:31:16 AM
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Finally got a response from Loophole as well, they said they are being made by some guy John that’s friends with Tony Alva lol, made and printed in Southern Cali. So the acid chemical wheel co assumption is prolly correct
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Acid does pour a good wheel too but its a very different feeling wheel than NFG
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Never skated them, prolly not gonna like them but I’m gonna get a set to check out

They are a little harsher feeling, slightly plasticy.  Performance wise they work really well, right in that same range as NFG I would say. Plus they sound excellent if thats your thing.  Graphic quality is far superior to NFG if you care too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 13, 2023, 10:36:32 AM
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Finally got a response from Loophole as well, they said they are being made by some guy John that’s friends with Tony Alva lol, made and printed in Southern Cali. So the acid chemical wheel co assumption is prolly correct
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Acid does pour a good wheel too but its a very different feeling wheel than NFG
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Never skated them, prolly not gonna like them but I’m gonna get a set to check out
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They are a little harsher feeling, slightly plasticy.  Performance wise they work really well, right in that same range as NFG I would say. Plus they sound excellent if thats your thing.  Graphic quality is far superior to NFG if you care too.

Siiick, skating a pair of the last set the wizard made right now, it’ll be interesting seeing how much different they are
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TastyBurrito on April 13, 2023, 11:41:46 AM
Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 13, 2023, 05:32:02 PM
Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.

I plan to get them as soon as I can when they release on the 20th
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 14, 2023, 07:04:03 AM
Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.


Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on April 14, 2023, 07:20:13 AM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too

I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 14, 2023, 09:31:23 AM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns

If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on April 15, 2023, 11:54:20 AM
what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: luvs2spooge on April 15, 2023, 11:56:48 AM
what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck

spitfire radial fulls (kader and new 97A's) in 56 and up cover 99% of the axle nut.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on April 15, 2023, 01:02:21 PM
what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck

OJ mini combos have a bit of offset. I don't know any other skate wheels with an offset. Maybe some powell wheels.

But if you look into freestyle/cruiser brands, you'll find what you need for sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 15, 2023, 01:52:43 PM
what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck

Dogtown K9 80s wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 15, 2023, 04:05:35 PM
what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck

Spitfire Radial Fulls are the chunkiest street wheel I’ve seen, but they’re not offset. They’re just really wide and cover most of the axle width.

The 60mm Dragons in the new Rat Bones shape are heavily offset, so you don’t lose any grind space on the hanger, and the wheels extend beyond the axle end about 3/16 in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 15, 2023, 11:19:07 PM
what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck


The absolute most offset wheel is the Powell Mini Cubic - got them on 139s / 8" trucks with those wheels fitting a 10" board easily enough, or 129s fit an 8.75 or so - 64mm x 64mm in 95 duro so they go over everything, first made famous in the 70s era style of skateboarding, I think.

Others like the Santa Cruz Slimeballs would be up there, along with OJ Elite versions, 60 or 61mm sizes, 95 and 97 duros as they are very wide too and offset about a cm to the outside edge.

Then Powell Rat Bones 60mm 90 duro, with Dogtown and similar wheels coming in after that, unless they are different to the ones I saw.

There was another brand, Road Crew that did a Scram Skates wheel that was very big, very offset and people were talking about it for a while, but I didn't see any still in stock anywhere, but they are another one up in the second or almost first category.






Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on April 16, 2023, 09:56:23 AM
what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck

Mike Arnold's Sml. wheels are extra wide but not offset. He loves them and swears by them. 56mm 99A.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqnzknQpHkK/ (3rd slide shows the width)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: schralp pal on April 16, 2023, 10:21:38 AM
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looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
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Mike Arnold's Sml. wheels are extra wide but not offset. He loves them and swears by them. 56mm 99A.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqnzknQpHkK/ (3rd slide shows the width)

@cliff what does AG formula mean vs. the old formula?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on April 16, 2023, 10:23:46 AM
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looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
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Mike Arnold's Sml. wheels are extra wide but not offset. He loves them and swears by them. 56mm 99A.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqnzknQpHkK/ (3rd slide shows the width)
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@cliff what does AG formula mean vs. the old formula?

This. And does one of them work well on slippery wood ramps?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2023, 11:53:31 AM
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what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
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Mike Arnold's Sml. wheels are extra wide but not offset. He loves them and swears by them. 56mm 99A.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqnzknQpHkK/ (3rd slide shows the width)
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@cliff what does AG formula mean vs. the old formula?
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This. And does one of them work well on slippery wood ramps?

56s on the 44s with no risers, sick
Wheels look nice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on April 16, 2023, 06:32:32 PM
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looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
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Mike Arnold's Sml. wheels are extra wide but not offset. He loves them and swears by them. 56mm 99A.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqnzknQpHkK/ (3rd slide shows the width)
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@cliff what does AG formula mean vs. the old formula?
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The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers
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Ha, yeah definitely got to try some out and see what works.

I have had / seen two different types of SML wheels and both were good / no issues, but I didn't skate them much and passed them on to others who needed wheels, more so because I usually ride and feel most comfortable on Spitfires.

One set was very white, which seemed harder at first, the other set more milky, and was a bit softer / had more grip.  I guess being one of the many brands who use other wheels, it is just one of those things.

See this post for the slight differences, not counting the coloured wheels at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIvCnLJ34T/
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So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability.

The other ones on the right are our OG formula from Aend They are closer to a Bones STF. They have a high rebound so they won't flat spot it doesn't have to do with the hardness as much as the high quality of urethane . So they do take a little more effort on the slide but I personally love them.

The duro is the same 99a on both but they both have their own feel.

I hope this info is helpful and thanks for the support!!

From what I've read:

AG - Similar to Spitfire OG formula, like a 99a
OG - Similar to Darkstar Master Urethane formula, like a 101a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: schralp pal on April 17, 2023, 09:31:36 AM
gracias rocklobster.

I have been really tempted to skate something other than f4s lately.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on April 17, 2023, 09:31:49 AM
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what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
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Mike Arnold's Sml. wheels are extra wide but not offset. He loves them and swears by them. 56mm 99A.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqnzknQpHkK/ (3rd slide shows the width)
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@cliff what does AG formula mean vs. the old formula?
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This. And does one of them work well on slippery wood ramps?
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The new OJs feel way less icy, so now I can blame like 3% of those f4 slams on a personal gear mismatch and keep the madness alive.

Do you know how sml wheels compare to f4 in terms of grip? Cheers
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Ha, yeah definitely got to try some out and see what works.

I have had / seen two different types of SML wheels and both were good / no issues, but I didn't skate them much and passed them on to others who needed wheels, more so because I usually ride and feel most comfortable on Spitfires.

One set was very white, which seemed harder at first, the other set more milky, and was a bit softer / had more grip.  I guess being one of the many brands who use other wheels, it is just one of those things.

See this post for the slight differences, not counting the coloured wheels at the end.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHIvCnLJ34T/
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So the ones with the flowers on the left are our AG formula (made specific Austyn) from Creative Urethane which is closer to a Spitfire Classic. They have a more traditional feel with a little bit easier slide-ability.

The other ones on the right are our OG formula from Aend They are closer to a Bones STF. They have a high rebound so they won't flat spot it doesn't have to do with the hardness as much as the high quality of urethane . So they do take a little more effort on the slide but I personally love them.

The duro is the same 99a on both but they both have their own feel.

I hope this info is helpful and thanks for the support!!
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From what I've read:

AG - Similar to Spitfire OG formula, like a 99a
OG - Similar to Darkstar Master Urethane formula, like a 101a

This is spot on. Appreciate the love everyone!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GBLange on April 17, 2023, 08:56:10 PM
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The absolute most offset wheel is the Powell Mini Cubic - got them on 139s / 8" trucks with those wheels fitting a 10" board easily enough, or 129s fit an 8.75 or so - 64mm x 64mm in 95 duro so they go over everything, first made famous in the 70s era style of skateboarding, I think.

Others like the Santa Cruz Slimeballs would be up there, along with OJ Elite versions, 60 or 61mm sizes, 95 and 97 duros as they are very wide too and offset about a cm to the outside edge.

Then Powell Rat Bones 60mm 90 duro, with Dogtown and similar wheels coming in after that, unless they are different to the ones I saw.

There was another brand, Road Crew that did a Scram Skates wheel that was very big, very offset and people were talking about it for a while, but I didn't see any still in stock anywhere, but they are another one up in the second or almost first category.

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fakienoseslide on April 18, 2023, 06:41:07 AM
Bought a new set of wheels from my local shop the other day and today when I was about to set them up I noticed this little defect on one of the wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZF2QFng.jpg)

Is that air trapped in the urethane or something else? I have a chance to stop by the shop next weekend, but asking for slaps opinion because I would not want to return these if I dont have to. The Wheels are Spitfire Formula 4 Conical 101D.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 18, 2023, 06:45:32 AM
Bought a new set of wheels from my local shop the other day and today when I was about to set them up I noticed this little defect on one of the wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZF2QFng.jpg)

Is that air trapped in the urethane or something else? I have a chance to stop by the shop next weekend, but asking for slaps opinion because I would not want to return these if I dont have to. The Wheels are Spitfire Formula 4 Conical 101D.

Cheers!

Doesn’t look like it would affect the rideability, I’d go ahead and set them up and give ‘em a whirl, if it’s an issue then deal with it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on April 18, 2023, 11:22:12 AM
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looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
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Dogtown K9 80s wheels
Speedlab makes a few, too. Copies of 80’s freestyle/street wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on April 18, 2023, 11:33:23 AM
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Spitfire Radial Fulls are the chunkiest street wheel I’ve seen, but they’re not offset. They’re just really wide and cover most of the axle width.

The 60mm Dragons in the new Rat Bones shape are heavily offset, so you don’t lose any grind space on the hanger, and the wheels extend beyond the axle end about 3/16 in.

I was going to say this same suggestion, I really dig my Rat Bones Dragons

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what are some decent wheels with a ton of offset?
looking to make a setup with trucks smaller than the deck
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The absolute most offset wheel is the Powell Mini Cubic - got them on 139s / 8" trucks with those wheels fitting a 10" board easily enough, or 129s fit an 8.75 or so - 64mm x 64mm in 95 duro so they go over everything, first made famous in the 70s era style of skateboarding, I think.

Others like the Santa Cruz Slimeballs would be up there, along with OJ Elite versions, 60 or 61mm sizes, 95 and 97 duros as they are very wide too and offset about a cm to the outside edge.

Then Powell Rat Bones 60mm 90 duro, with Dogtown and similar wheels coming in after that, unless they are different to the ones I saw.

There was another brand, Road Crew that did a Scram Skates wheel that was very big, very offset and people were talking about it for a while, but I didn't see any still in stock anywhere, but they are another one up in the second or almost first category.


Love my mini cubics. I have personally experienced that they add a little under an inch and a half to your truck width. For example with the mini cubics on 5.0 trucks (7.625" width), they would fit nicely under a 9" deck (That's the setup that I personally ran with them)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on April 18, 2023, 11:37:44 AM
Bought a new set of wheels from my local shop the other day and today when I was about to set them up I noticed this little defect on one of the wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZF2QFng.jpg)

Is that air trapped in the urethane or something else? I have a chance to stop by the shop next weekend, but asking for slaps opinion because I would not want to return these if I dont have to. The Wheels are Spitfire Formula 4 Conical 101D.

Cheers!

That's probably nothing to worry about. It looks to be that it's only a cosmetic defect. Skate them first before you email deluxe, and I would only email them if the wear from use appears uneven around that spot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 18, 2023, 12:47:30 PM
Bought a new set of wheels from my local shop the other day and today when I was about to set them up I noticed this little defect on one of the wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZF2QFng.jpg)

Is that air trapped in the urethane or something else? I have a chance to stop by the shop next weekend, but asking for slaps opinion because I would not want to return these if I dont have to. The Wheels are Spitfire Formula 4 Conical 101D.

Cheers!

There’s a swirl like this somewhere on almost every set of F4s I have. My guess is it’s just a little separation in the urethane mix, like maybe the natural color of the urethane is translucent, and whatever they add to make it opaque doesn’t always get perfectly mixed in every nook and cranny of the bucket or tank. If they’re putting many wheels into the market like that, I’ve got to assume there’s no functional issue. I haven’t noticed it affecting anything.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: kneebone on April 18, 2023, 01:17:23 PM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on April 18, 2023, 02:34:17 PM
$57 kinda steep for wheels when the current industry leader is $38-40
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TastyBurrito on April 18, 2023, 04:06:08 PM
$57 kinda steep for wheels when the current industry leader is $38-40

$57?! Fuh!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 18, 2023, 04:47:43 PM
Bought a new set of wheels from my local shop the other day and today when I was about to set them up I noticed this little defect on one of the wheels.


Is that air trapped in the urethane or something else? I have a chance to stop by the shop next weekend, but asking for slaps opinion because I would not want to return these if I dont have to. The Wheels are Spitfire Formula 4 Conical 101D.

Cheers!


Can you feel it when you run a fingernail over it if it?

Is it purely visual or does it have a different texture, or actual surface ripples?


At least taking a pic to show the shop is good.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 19, 2023, 06:37:20 AM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
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Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels


Hahahaa nah I’m good, they do look lux though, better be with that price tag
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fakienoseslide on April 19, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
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Bought a new set of wheels from my local shop the other day and today when I was about to set them up I noticed this little defect on one of the wheels.


Is that air trapped in the urethane or something else? I have a chance to stop by the shop next weekend, but asking for slaps opinion because I would not want to return these if I dont have to. The Wheels are Spitfire Formula 4 Conical 101D.

Cheers!
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Can you feel it when you run a fingernail over it if it?

Is it purely visual or does it have a different texture, or actual surface ripples?


At least taking a pic to show the shop is good.

It's  completely smooth on the surface. What it looked like first was that there would be air trapped under the surface and my worry was that after little riding the crumbly part would be exposed and ruin the ride.

Now when I think about it I dont know if it would make sense? I'm thinking maybe its like what intendedreceivers said that its just a issue with the color mixing with urethane and its just cosmetical defect. I've had few set of F4's previously and havent noticed this yet myself.

Anyways I set them up and I'll ride them. I can report back here if I run into some issues.

Thanks for the help slap pals!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on April 21, 2023, 01:46:33 AM
Anyone else here who mostly rides softer wheels?
I've been on some 78/87a wheels for some time and I'm a big fan. Since I have ankle and knee issues I find that softer wheels help me skate much longer times and makes street skating much more tolerable. I'm more into cruising, curbs, slappies and transition (where I use 99a) because of my said issues. I've been thinking of getting some dragons/formula x in the future but not sure how they handle crustier spots.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on April 21, 2023, 05:01:05 AM
Anyone else here who mostly rides softer wheels?
I've been on some 78/87a wheels for some time and I'm a big fan. Since I have ankle and knee issues I find that softer wheels help me skate much longer times and makes street skating much more tolerable. I'm more into cruising, curbs, slappies and transition (where I use 99a) because of my said issues. I've been thinking of getting some dragons/formula x in the future but not sure how they handle crustier spots.

I think the dragons in a wide shape are not super far from the feel of 87a wheels. The x formula feels more like a hard wheel with a bit more smoothness, far from cruiser vibes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 21, 2023, 07:49:52 AM
Anyone else here who mostly rides softer wheels?
I've been on some 78/87a wheels for some time and I'm a big fan. Since I have ankle and knee issues I find that softer wheels help me skate much longer times and makes street skating much more tolerable. I'm more into cruising, curbs, slappies and transition (where I use 99a) because of my said issues. I've been thinking of getting some dragons/formula x in the future but not sure how they handle crustier spots.

@tkp
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on April 21, 2023, 11:41:06 AM
madness guy on the dual duro OJ's
https://www.instagram.com/p/CrRDbeatZLN/

no noseslides in sight
seem like a better in between than what they have currently like if you ride hot juice they will not last for slappys worth shit... these probably last longer but honestly i dont really see whats better with this than their like 95a or whatever they already offer. maybe its a bit more cruisery?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 21, 2023, 11:46:36 AM
madness guy on the dual duro OJ's
https://www.instagram.com/p/CrRDbeatZLN/

no noseslides in sight
seem like a better in between than what they have currently like if you ride hot juice they will not last for slappys worth shit... these probably last longer but honestly i dont really see whats better with this than their like 95a or whatever they already offer. maybe its a bit more cruisery?

He’s no longer madness guy right? He’s an arbor bro
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: freidnly guy on April 22, 2023, 03:36:25 PM
madness guy on the dual duro OJ's

no noseslides in sight
seem like a better in between than what they have currently like if you ride hot juice they will not last for slappys worth shit... these probably last longer but honestly i dont really see whats better with this than their like 95a or whatever they already offer. maybe its a bit more cruisery?
The outer duro is 101, 95 inner, so they will slide the same as the other oj 101s. I was curious for a second but not for $57.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 22, 2023, 09:59:24 PM
Remember back in the day when gimmicks were for children?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sombrero on April 22, 2023, 11:36:56 PM
Anyone else here who mostly rides softer wheels?
I've been on some 78/87a wheels for some time and I'm a big fan. Since I have ankle and knee issues I find that softer wheels help me skate much longer times and makes street skating much more tolerable. I'm more into cruising, curbs, slappies and transition (where I use 99a) because of my said issues. I've been thinking of getting some dragons/formula x in the future but not sure how they handle crustier spots.

52yo with torn meniscus here. Dragons are a godsend. Ricta Cloud 78a was great for my therapy phase and I still alternate to them to baby my knees. I had 97a G-Bones (64mm) and sessions lasted 30 mins max before I tapped out. 64mm Dragons were an immediate relief and it's hard to imagine that 97a VS 93a would be so dramatic.
I thought a middle ground between the Rictas and dragons would be a sweet spot so I tried OJ Keyframes 87a (58mm). They DID NOT feel soft at all compared to Dragons. Whatever that DF formula is- works. I'd love to try X-Formula if they make a 64mm cuz i'm kinda loving that size right now. *Also using OJ Juice Cubes for shock and compression sleeves for my knees. Only regret is not doing it sooner.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: WideFeet on April 23, 2023, 02:35:13 PM
I’m planning on trying out the new Double Duro OJ’s just for the hell of it. I don’t expect much, honestly. They’re gonna slide the same as Elite’s. I just wanna see if they actually work.

Also, got a set of Acid wheels for free. Anyone skate them? They look real basic, like nothing special about them. Curious though, because they were free, I will set them up on something so I can use them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 23, 2023, 03:01:02 PM
I’m planning on trying out the new Double Duro OJ’s just for the hell of it. I don’t expect much, honestly. They’re gonna slide the same as Elite’s. I just wanna see if they actually work.

Also, got a set of Acid wheels for free. Anyone skate them? They look real basic, like nothing special about them. Curious though, because they were free, I will set them up on something so I can use them

Never skated them, thats who is making the new loopholes though, heard from an ex rider that they are pretty hard, prolly gonna give them a shot after I’m done with the F4s I’m skating 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on April 23, 2023, 03:05:37 PM
 I got wheel madness. Been  happy skating 55mm spit classics. Now about  54. Slipped out on a grind hurt my hip a few weeks ago. Since i slipped out I put conical regs on. Flip tricks take more effort and my kickflips/ barrel rolls are suffering. And things just don’t flip as easily. But feel secure in locking in. Little more work to get off coping and grinds but feels good when I’m in. Is there an in between shape that locks in like a conical and feels good for flip tricks like a classic? I got a set of 53 and 54 radials but they are 101. I’m debating on doing a side cut at work in the classics to make them like a bones v5
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on April 23, 2023, 03:06:05 PM
Normally I wouldn’t hate on a product that just hit the market without testing it but hasn’t NHS been pushing Rictas with a “dual duro” for years at a more normal price? That price tag is insane and I cannot find any justification in my mind. I doubt they will perform any better than how well dragons have been treating folks who want that softer duro. Fuck, formula fours have been going up in price and moved manufacturing out of the USA but at least they’re worth it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 23, 2023, 05:27:42 PM
I got wheel madness. Been  happy skating 55mm spit classics. Now about  54. Slipped out on a grind hurt my hip a few weeks ago. Since i slipped out I put conical regs on. Flip tricks take more effort and my kickflips/ barrel rolls are suffering. And things just don’t flip as easily. But feel secure in locking in. Little more work to get off coping and grinds but feels good when I’m in. Is there an in between shape that locks in like a conical and feels good for flip tricks like a classic? I got a set of 53 and 54 radials but they are 101. I’m debating on doing a side cut at work in the classics to make them like a bones v5

Lock-ins have that rounded edge on the outer and flat on the inside. Also tablets if you can find them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 23, 2023, 10:47:20 PM
Normally I wouldn’t hate on a product that just hit the market without testing it but hasn’t NHS been pushing Rictas with a “dual duro” for years at a more normal price? That price tag is insane and I cannot find any justification in my mind. I doubt they will perform any better than how well dragons have been treating folks who want that softer duro. Fuck, formula fours have been going up in price and moved manufacturing out of the USA but at least they’re worth it.

Ricta speed rings and chrome cores are one duro, just the core gimmick.

57$ for a Niché wheel shape? Pass.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on April 23, 2023, 10:59:04 PM
I got wheel madness. Been  happy skating 55mm spit classics. Now about  54. Slipped out on a grind hurt my hip a few weeks ago. Since i slipped out I put conical regs on. Flip tricks take more effort and my kickflips/ barrel rolls are suffering. And things just don’t flip as easily. But feel secure in locking in. Little more work to get off coping and grinds but feels good when I’m in. Is there an in between shape that locks in like a conical and feels good for flip tricks like a classic? I got a set of 53 and 54 radials but they are 101. I’m debating on doing a side cut at work in the classics to make them like a bones v5

Radial 55mm 99s work for great for me as an all-around wheel. So far been happy with the lock in factor. Plus the wheel feels light.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheLowerBack on April 23, 2023, 11:17:29 PM
Do radial fulls only come in 97?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on April 24, 2023, 12:08:56 AM
Do radial fulls only come in 97?
They occasionally come in 99a, but there probably aren't that many left out there right now
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on April 24, 2023, 03:51:00 AM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
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Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels

Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 24, 2023, 06:23:38 PM
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They occasionally come in 99a, but there probably aren't that many left out there right now


Yeah I think they are between drops of normal 99s right now.

They first came out with the Kader smoke graphic in the big sizes (all long gone), then Eternals in 56 and 58 mm, of which there are still a few around, but not many.

Currently the 97 duro in 56 and 58 mm in the generic graphic.


Some more in various sizes in 99 coming out later in the year, from someone in the know.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Buster_Poosey on April 25, 2023, 03:35:43 PM
I’m planning on trying out the new Double Duro OJ’s just for the hell of it. I don’t expect much, honestly. They’re gonna slide the same as Elite’s. I just wanna see if they actually work.

Also, got a set of Acid wheels for free. Anyone skate them? They look real basic, like nothing special about them. Curious though, because they were free, I will set them up on something so I can use them

I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised with them. They’re hard, got a good bark, they slide, and don’t flatspot easy. This doesn’t really apply to you since you got them for free, but they are the best wheels out at that price, IMO.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ggrimmedd on April 27, 2023, 04:15:25 AM
Do yall "bowl/park only riders" use anything besides Bones? I've been using for a week and can't possibly think of anything better than 84b SPFs, perfect lock-in, grip is insane and slides great. Almost pulled Spitfires but that would definitely not be it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roll_dog on April 27, 2023, 06:28:43 AM
Do yall "bowl/park only riders" use anything besides Bones? I've been using for a week and can't possibly think of anything better than 84b SPFs, perfect lock-in, grip is insane and slides great. Almost pulled Spitfires but that would definitely not be it

Bones SPFs are without a doubt their greatest wheel. I slapped spitfires on my setup because I wanted to be flexible with the terrain I skate but I think I'm exclusively a park skater now so I may have to go back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on April 27, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
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Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
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Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.

OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_544,h_544,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on April 27, 2023, 10:00:24 AM
Do yall "bowl/park only riders" use anything besides Bones? I've been using for a week and can't possibly think of anything better than 84b SPFs, perfect lock-in, grip is insane and slides great. Almost pulled Spitfires but that would definitely not be it

I really like OJ Hardline 99s in bowls/parks. Fast as fuck and the width is great.

(Edit: SPF 84Bs rule of course, but I've grown to love the Hardlines as well.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on April 27, 2023, 11:00:58 AM
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madness guy on the dual duro OJ's

no noseslides in sight
seem like a better in between than what they have currently like if you ride hot juice they will not last for slappys worth shit... these probably last longer but honestly i dont really see whats better with this than their like 95a or whatever they already offer. maybe its a bit more cruisery?
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The outer duro is 101, 95 inner, so they will slide the same as the other oj 101s. I was curious for a second but not for $57.

Then how soft is OJs 95? Would these feel anything like a cruiser wheel? I haven't ridden their Nomads which are a 95, right?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on April 27, 2023, 12:01:05 PM
How are dragon wheels handling wet ground? Slip or grip?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2023, 01:10:57 PM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
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Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
[close]

Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
[close]

OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_544,h_544,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg)



Except Ricta aren't dual duro, just cored.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on April 27, 2023, 01:15:27 PM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
[close]


Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
[close]
Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
[close]

Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
[close]

OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_544,h_544,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg)


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Except Ricta aren't dual duro, just cored.

how is that not the same thing?
-Not sarcasm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on April 27, 2023, 01:20:01 PM
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madness guy on the dual duro OJ's

no noseslides in sight
seem like a better in between than what they have currently like if you ride hot juice they will not last for slappys worth shit... these probably last longer but honestly i dont really see whats better with this than their like 95a or whatever they already offer. maybe its a bit more cruisery?
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The outer duro is 101, 95 inner, so they will slide the same as the other oj 101s. I was curious for a second but not for $57.
[close]

Then how soft is OJs 95? Would these feel anything like a cruiser wheel? I haven't ridden their Nomads which are a 95, right?

They don’t feel like cruiser wheels. They feel similar to 99a but with more grip and smoother on crust
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on April 27, 2023, 01:47:12 PM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
[close]

I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
[close]

If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
[close]
Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
[close]

Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
[close]

OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_544,h_544,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg)


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Except Ricta aren't dual duro, just cored.
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how is that not the same thing?
-Not sarcasm.
It's quite the opposite. Ricta cored: hard inner that keeps the bearings aligned.
Oj dual duro: soft inner that supposedly absorbs impact.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2023, 02:09:33 PM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
[close]


Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
[close]

I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
[close]

If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
[close]
Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
[close]

Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
[close]

OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_544,h_544,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg)


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Except Ricta aren't dual duro, just cored.
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how is that not the same thing?
-Not sarcasm.
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It's quite the opposite. Ricta cored: hard inner that keeps the bearings aligned.
Oj dual duro: soft inner that supposedly absorbs impact.

Old Ricta Chrome cores or Powerflex gumballs had the hard inner, which is really just a stiff ass bearing seat. Ricta Speed Rings are even more odd as they have the same durro inner-speed-ring-same duro outer, so essentially just a stiffer bearing seat that is supposedly better at less impact deformation.

Then there's Autobahn AB-X, which would be the closest to the OJs, the Torus had an 83b (outer) /97a (inner Core) - I can't recall what the Autobahn Ultras were, but I think they were the opposite, i.e., hard inner -83b- for stiff bearing seat, with either a 100 or 97a outer (either way they didn't slide for shit).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 27, 2023, 06:50:03 PM
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madness guy on the dual duro OJ's

no noseslides in sight
seem like a better in between than what they have currently like if you ride hot juice they will not last for slappys worth shit... these probably last longer but honestly i dont really see whats better with this than their like 95a or whatever they already offer. maybe its a bit more cruisery?
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The outer duro is 101, 95 inner, so they will slide the same as the other oj 101s. I was curious for a second but not for $57.
[close]

Then how soft is OJs 95? Would these feel anything like a cruiser wheel? I haven't ridden their Nomads which are a 95, right?
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They don’t feel like cruiser wheels. They feel similar to 99a but with more grip and smoother on crust



I think I posted this before, but it is easy enough to do again.

As far as overall hardness goes, I usually follow these general rules from wheels I commonly have / had:


78-87A - very soft cruiser wheels
90-92A - soft wheels, but can still bark a bit to slide
95-97A - not quite so hard wheels, but will slide and feel more like hard wheels
99-101A - hard wheels / normal feeling wheels

81-84B - very hard wheels, a bit more so than 101A


A Scale goes to 100, B scale is 20 points lower for the same hardness, eg 100A = 80B


You can also put in there Powell Dragons at 93A being a different feel but still between the 90-92 and the 95-97, but still softer wheels, or some other variations on what might usually fit in between this and that, but have different urethane properties to most other wheels on the market.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on April 27, 2023, 08:58:24 PM
Ok, thanks for the great responses. I'm curious to try the double duros or the dragons. I would love a wheel that feels smooth riding and doesn't make my feet numb when riding rugged ground but still has a decent slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2023, 10:17:03 PM
Ok, thanks for the great responses. I'm curious to try the double duros or the dragons. I would love a wheel that feels smooth riding and doesn't make my feet numb when riding rugged ground but still has a decent slide.

If you still want to throw out tricks, powerslide, or do tricks that slide (blunts, etc.) go with the Bones X97s over the dragons imo. If you are more a cruiser type skating from point A to B as transpo, go with dragons hands down

I'd give the OJs a shot if they were in the hardline shape, but it feels like they're targetting the re-issue crowd here by going with the mini combo shape (same for dragons at 93a and bigger wheels, tho now in V1).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on April 27, 2023, 10:29:19 PM
I don't really get the OJ mini combo shape. I prefer a symmetrical wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on April 28, 2023, 05:52:55 AM
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Ok, thanks for the great responses. I'm curious to try the double duros or the dragons. I would love a wheel that feels smooth riding and doesn't make my feet numb when riding rugged ground but still has a decent slide.
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If you still want to throw out tricks, powerslide, or do tricks that slide (blunts, etc.) go with the Bones X97s over the dragons imo. If you are more a cruiser type skating from point A to B as transpo, go with dragons hands down

I'd give the OJs a shot if they were in the hardline shape, but it feels like they're targetting the re-issue crowd here by going with the mini combo shape (same for dragons at 93a and bigger wheels, tho now in V1).

Ok. Then would you recommend Bones 97 over Spitfire 97? I see some Spits on sale atm. I'm more of a cruiser type skater nowadays, just occasionally throw some tricks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on April 28, 2023, 06:57:16 AM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
[close]


Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
[close]

I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
[close]

If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
[close]
Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
[close]

Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
[close]

OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_544,h_544,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg)


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Except Ricta aren't dual duro, just cored.
[close]

how is that not the same thing?
-Not sarcasm.
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It's quite the opposite. Ricta cored: hard inner that keeps the bearings aligned.
Oj dual duro: soft inner that supposedly absorbs impact.
[close]

Old Ricta Chrome cores or Powerflex gumballs had the hard inner, which is really just a stiff ass bearing seat. Ricta Speed Rings are even more odd as they have the same durro inner-speed-ring-same duro outer, so essentially just a stiffer bearing seat that is supposedly better at less impact deformation.

Then there's Autobahn AB-X, which would be the closest to the OJs, the Torus had an 83b (outer) /97a (inner Core) - I can't recall what the Autobahn Ultras were, but I think they were the opposite, i.e., hard inner -83b- for stiff bearing seat, with either a 100 or 97a outer (either way they didn't slide for shit).

So basically just get some fucking normal wheels, all that other shit is  for the birds
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on April 28, 2023, 02:33:12 PM
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Ok, thanks for the great responses. I'm curious to try the double duros or the dragons. I would love a wheel that feels smooth riding and doesn't make my feet numb when riding rugged ground but still has a decent slide.
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If you still want to throw out tricks, powerslide, or do tricks that slide (blunts, etc.) go with the Bones X97s over the dragons imo. If you are more a cruiser type skating from point A to B as transpo, go with dragons hands down

I'd give the OJs a shot if they were in the hardline shape, but it feels like they're targetting the re-issue crowd here by going with the mini combo shape (same for dragons at 93a and bigger wheels, tho now in V1).
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Ok. Then would you recommend Bones 97 over Spitfire 97? I see some Spits on sale atm. I'm more of a cruiser type skater nowadays, just occasionally throw some tricks.

As someone who has spent a lot of time on both, get the x97's over the F497 if you're mostly cruising. They absorb crust+impact better and slide better on rough ground. The F497 feel more like a traditional hard street wheel with a little extra grip.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 28, 2023, 06:22:22 PM
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Ok, thanks for the great responses. I'm curious to try the double duros or the dragons. I would love a wheel that feels smooth riding and doesn't make my feet numb when riding rugged ground but still has a decent slide.
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If you still want to throw out tricks, powerslide, or do tricks that slide (blunts, etc.) go with the Bones X97s over the dragons imo. If you are more a cruiser type skating from point A to B as transpo, go with dragons hands down

I'd give the OJs a shot if they were in the hardline shape, but it feels like they're targeting the re-issue crowd here by going with the mini combo shape (same for dragons at 93a and bigger wheels, tho now in V1).
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Ok. Then would you recommend Bones 97 over Spitfire 97? I see some Spits on sale atm. I'm more of a cruiser type skater nowadays, just occasionally throw some tricks.

@pops
Personally I'd pick x97s over the Spit 97s as they handle crust, and slide, better...97a spit are great but they feel just a bit sluggish to me on slides (especially blunt). If you are just cruising and occasionally tossing out tricks as you say AND money is a concern AND the spits are on sale, get spits.

Knowing how they both feel, just for cruising I'd still get the x97s. Speed checks, powerslides to regulate or for fun, x97s do it better...besides if they ain't F4s, this forum shits on it.

I skated the spit 97a for less than a day due to how they felt (hated them tbh). Still skating the x97s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roll_dog on April 28, 2023, 07:17:20 PM
I don't really get the OJ mini combo shape. I prefer a symmetrical wheel.

I think the theory is that you can get the lock in of a conical and a rounded edge for easier scoop tricks or slappys
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on April 28, 2023, 10:49:36 PM
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I think the theory is that you can get the lock in of a conical and a rounded edge for easier scoop tricks or slappys

Yeah, fair enough. The problem is that there's no option of putting the graphics on the inside if you want to use them as intended. :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 28, 2023, 11:14:49 PM
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I don't really get the OJ mini combo shape. I prefer a symmetrical wheel.
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I think the theory is that you can get the lock in of a conical and a rounded edge for easier scoop tricks or slappys
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Yeah, fair enough. The problem is that there's no option of putting the graphics on the inside if you want to use them as intended. :)


Yeah they are like a multi tool, but the shape was first done in the 80s on bigger combo 60 mm wheels and scaled down a bit more for the mini combo wheels for the 90s and on.

I seem to recall one old blown out pro trying to explain them, doing a pretty average job as he was so high at the time, but essentially it was as per the marketing blurb below, the minimally rounded inside for getting on coping or lips of curbs and locking on, with the outside cutaway to shave weight and also for getting on and off things more easily, eg rolling up to big coping like on pools, vert ramps or curbs needed a bit more open rounded part near the edge of the wheel, or something like that.

Some people do ride them facing inwards and there is nothing to say you can't but I always think because they are offset a bit towards the outside, they ride better that way, unless you have trucks that are too wide for the board or something like that.

As much as they might not look too different, the inside is a lot more squared off than the outside of the wheel when you see them in person, especially the larger sizes, more so than the smaller sizes.


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/oj-wheels-jason-adams-slappy-hour-skateboard-wheels-58mm-p20365


They used to come with graphics on both sides for some variants, as some of the riders did ride them one way for some things and the other way for other things.


(https://heshdawgz.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/OJWheelsJasonAdamsSlappyHour2MiniComboWheels.jpg)


Now it seems like they a a bit more minimal on graphics though.



(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0577/8505/products/Cattura.JPGop_5f5340a3-4011-45b1-855a-be15a6475a4d_820x.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on April 28, 2023, 11:33:27 PM
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Ok, thanks for the great responses. I'm curious to try the double duros or the dragons. I would love a wheel that feels smooth riding and doesn't make my feet numb when riding rugged ground but still has a decent slide.
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If you still want to throw out tricks, powerslide, or do tricks that slide (blunts, etc.) go with the Bones X97s over the dragons imo. If you are more a cruiser type skating from point A to B as transpo, go with dragons hands down

I'd give the OJs a shot if they were in the hardline shape, but it feels like they're targeting the re-issue crowd here by going with the mini combo shape (same for dragons at 93a and bigger wheels, tho now in V1).
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Ok. Then would you recommend Bones 97 over Spitfire 97? I see some Spits on sale atm. I'm more of a cruiser type skater nowadays, just occasionally throw some tricks.
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@pops
Personally I'd pick x97s over the Spit 97s as they handle crust, and slide, better...97a spit are great but they feel just a bit sluggish to me on slides (especially blunt). If you are just cruising and occasionally tossing out tricks as you say AND money is a concern AND the spits are on sale, get spits.

Knowing how they both feel, just for cruising I'd still get the x97s. Speed checks, powerslides to regulate or for fun, x97s do it better...besides if they ain't F4s, this forum shits on it.

I skated the spit 97a for less than a day due to how they felt (hated them tbh). Still skating the x97s.
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Ok, thanks for the great responses. I'm curious to try the double duros or the dragons. I would love a wheel that feels smooth riding and doesn't make my feet numb when riding rugged ground but still has a decent slide.
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If you still want to throw out tricks, powerslide, or do tricks that slide (blunts, etc.) go with the Bones X97s over the dragons imo. If you are more a cruiser type skating from point A to B as transpo, go with dragons hands down

I'd give the OJs a shot if they were in the hardline shape, but it feels like they're targetting the re-issue crowd here by going with the mini combo shape (same for dragons at 93a and bigger wheels, tho now in V1).
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Ok. Then would you recommend Bones 97 over Spitfire 97? I see some Spits on sale atm. I'm more of a cruiser type skater nowadays, just occasionally throw some tricks.
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As someone who has spent a lot of time on both, get the x97's over the F497 if you're mostly cruising. They absorb crust+impact better and slide better on rough ground. The F497 feel more like a traditional hard street wheel with a little extra grip.

Thanks to both of you. Great answers. I might check out the Bones X then.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on April 29, 2023, 06:25:32 AM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
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Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
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Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
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OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

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Except Ricta aren't dual duro, just cored.
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how is that not the same thing?
-Not sarcasm.
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It's quite the opposite. Ricta cored: hard inner that keeps the bearings aligned.
Oj dual duro: soft inner that supposedly absorbs impact.
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Old Ricta Chrome cores or Powerflex gumballs had the hard inner, which is really just a stiff ass bearing seat. Ricta Speed Rings are even more odd as they have the same durro inner-speed-ring-same duro outer, so essentially just a stiffer bearing seat that is supposedly better at less impact deformation.

Then there's Autobahn AB-X, which would be the closest to the OJs, the Torus had an 83b (outer) /97a (inner Core) - I can't recall what the Autobahn Ultras were, but I think they were the opposite, i.e., hard inner -83b- for stiff bearing seat, with either a 100 or 97a outer (either way they didn't slide for shit).
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So basically just get some fucking normal wheels, all that other shit is  for the birds

Naw, the snot clear core look super cool, and the cooler your skateboard is, the better you skate
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on April 29, 2023, 12:41:48 PM
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Has anyone tried those new OJ Dual Durometer wheels?

I'm curious, but then again, this makes me think of the old school Darkstar dual durometers (that everyone rode backwards to show the cores) but then they sucked.
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Or autobahn that has been doing dual duros since their inception, they suck too
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I’ve skated a lot of ricta, and they’ve been mostly good. I use to skate the 103b 53mm David speed rings. Loved that wheel.

I have the 92a ricta clouds on my cruiser. They’re good. I imagine the OJs are just making OJ clouds now.

I’m currently skating SNOT wheels and really enjoying them. I’m pretty sure they’re just purple and teal autobahns
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If I was gonna skate dual duro, it would prolly be the from the NHS camp, I don’t know though, I just remember really fucking hating the autobahns I’ve skated, I’d prolly just stick with a normal wheel and get the Kenny Anderson wheel condom he is currently developing, if I wanted to be able to cruise over shit and still be able to slide the way I want
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Humidity has these up in their webstore now. $57 retail  :o
https://www.humiditynola.com/product-page/oj-prototype-double-durometer-wheels
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Humidity has some of the best product descriptions.
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OJ "Let me copy your homework"
Ricta "Okay, just change it so it doesn't look like you just copied it"
OJ

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_544,h_544,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/780b19_f26a0287202c4d449035bfb4267bcdae~mv2.jpg)


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Except Ricta aren't dual duro, just cored.
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how is that not the same thing?
-Not sarcasm.
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It's quite the opposite. Ricta cored: hard inner that keeps the bearings aligned.
Oj dual duro: soft inner that supposedly absorbs impact.
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Old Ricta Chrome cores or Powerflex gumballs had the hard inner, which is really just a stiff ass bearing seat. Ricta Speed Rings are even more odd as they have the same durro inner-speed-ring-same duro outer, so essentially just a stiffer bearing seat that is supposedly better at less impact deformation.

Then there's Autobahn AB-X, which would be the closest to the OJs, the Torus had an 83b (outer) /97a (inner Core) - I can't recall what the Autobahn Ultras were, but I think they were the opposite, i.e., hard inner -83b- for stiff bearing seat, with either a 100 or 97a outer (either way they didn't slide for shit).
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So basically just get some fucking normal wheels, all that other shit is  for the birds
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Naw, the snot clear core look super cool, and the cooler your skateboard is, the better you skate

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ccb2c1fd7819e592e112bf1/1558559223819-LU557Z4HDIBTI5XAMC0X/Cool.jpg?format=1500w)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jackismydogsname on April 29, 2023, 10:04:09 PM
Dragons get slippery when wet!

I couldn't find a post all in one place so here's an personal overview of a few current Skate One wheels, I went wild after moving to rougher ground Northern Az vs growing up skating in Phoenix for 25 years on 101a/103a's and setting up 2 completes for my girlfriend to try out.

90a Mini logo 58mm-  Soft, almost bouncey ball like. The pop is gooey and can slide but really grabs. Kick turns feel unnatural as I like to kinda break free and that doesn't feel right. This wheel is more of a nimble cruiser and is comfortable rolling snow plowed roads with some vibrations. As mentioned by a few other pals, do Not get the small c cut version, they are too mushy. More of an 85a though Not longboard or Super Juice style carefree cruiser.

93a Dragon 56mm- These pop and slide much better than a "soft wheel" but smith and crooked grinds bite and catch yet oddly I've slipped out turning on rough roads like a 101s would. The sound is the hardest part to get use to and be aware that they will power slide before making sound! Just as advertised and talked about, I did have bearing seating issue but seems to have passed. They are much faster but not as comfortable as the 90a for a mile down the rocky street.

Mini logo 95a 54mm 2- These where a wonderful surprise, they feel similar to the good 95-97a wheels of the 90's. Things like brick feel good yet can pivot out of tricks. My muscle memory isn't use to pushing slide tricks hard but I'm sure others could who are use to it. Not for pumping high speed transition as they feel gummy compared to a SPF but makes abandoned parking lots fun.

Bones x97 56mm- Both bark and bite, could be perfect for some east coast people but for mountain town grounds, they are much less forgiving than Dragons still not as fast and sharp as STF or F4 99 on concrete. These are not for me currently, too hybrid?

Mini Logo 101a 56mm- a step out of the comfort range for rough roads but the size and shape help. These feel a bit softer then 101a F4s, "older" slower feeling like the OG Spitfire but still a good wheel.

A lot of this is repeated from other pal reports but wanted to give a single side by side point of view as I had them all set-up at once for anyone considering.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on April 30, 2023, 01:41:28 AM
Anyone skated the Mini Logo 80a AWOLs and are they worth it? I'm looking for an alternative for my current mini juices. Do they chunk out over time like the OJs?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on April 30, 2023, 09:03:41 AM
Re: double duro….I remember jaws trying some proto impact wheels for bones….I think soft inside hard outside….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on May 01, 2023, 08:16:17 AM
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madness guy on the dual duro OJ's

no noseslides in sight
seem like a better in between than what they have currently like if you ride hot juice they will not last for slappys worth shit... these probably last longer but honestly i dont really see whats better with this than their like 95a or whatever they already offer. maybe its a bit more cruisery?
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The outer duro is 101, 95 inner, so they will slide the same as the other oj 101s. I was curious for a second but not for $57.
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Then how soft is OJs 95? Would these feel anything like a cruiser wheel? I haven't ridden their Nomads which are a 95, right?

95 is pretty good for absorbing / smoothness. it feels a bit slow and you cant noseslide unless you put a ton of wax. so this in theory should be pretty slidey now... but i bet you will lose all the smoothness...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SlapMcKracken on May 07, 2023, 03:20:27 PM
I skate a super smooth skate park mostly, but sometimes I skate rough street spots.

Are the dragons good for extreme smooth parks too?
How do they slide compared to f4‘s?

Should I stick to f4s and really only use dragons for when I skate street?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 07, 2023, 03:34:58 PM
I skate a super smooth skate park mostly, but sometimes I skate rough street spots.

Are the dragons good for extreme smooth parks too?
How do they slide compared to f4‘s?

Should I stick to f4s and really only use dragons for when I skate street?

Yes to the last sentence
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on May 09, 2023, 08:32:25 AM
seems like a lot of people are over the hype of dragons now and just going back to F4s...

i think a lot of people's definintion of "bad ground" varies quite a bit. I feel like I don't actually gain any significant advantage of skating spots i couldnt normally skate with Dragons vs. F4s. I feel like you need a true cruiser wheel like a Ricta Cloud 87a etc. to feel like you are really unlocking a new spot. I do a lot of manuals down hills on sidewalks with huge cracks and those are the wheels I need to use for those stunts. i skate some ground that is so beat up the rocks are sticking out of the asphalt... where it feels like you are pushing through a cheese grater. i gotta do more experimenting but seems like Dragons dont really cut it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 09, 2023, 02:53:23 PM
Anyone have a new info on the Spitfires? An answer to Bones Dragons/ OJ dual duro?

Something is being cooked up right (beyond 80HDs)?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on May 09, 2023, 07:21:05 PM
https://dogtownskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/k-9-80s-wheels-60mm-x-92a-white?variant=43346481316077

I’ve skated these dogtowns for a week and these are seriously the best wheels ever, highly recommend them. 92a seems too soft, I know what you’re thinking, but these actually screech plenty loud and are not mushy whatsoever. They do seem harder than 92a, honestly. No slipouts whatsoever yet they break into a slide easily when you want them to. I’ve also been having an issue with bearing slippage in all kinds of wheels lately and FINALLY it stopped with these so that’s another reason why I like them. If you don’t want big 60mm, they offer the same duro in a classic round shape in smaller sizes. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 09, 2023, 07:53:10 PM
https://dogtownskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/k-9-80s-wheels-60mm-x-92a-white?variant=43346481316077

I’ve skated these dogtowns for a week and these are seriously the best wheels ever, highly recommend them. 92a seems too soft, I know what you’re thinking, but these actually screech plenty loud and are not mushy whatsoever. They do seem harder than 92a, honestly. No slipouts whatsoever yet they break into a slide easily when you want them to. I’ve also been having an issue with bearing slippage in all kinds of wheels lately and FINALLY it stopped with these so that’s another reason why I like them. If you don’t want big 60mm, they offer the same duro in a classic round shape in smaller sizes.

interesting, anyone know who's pouring them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on May 09, 2023, 08:08:19 PM
Question for you Bones SPF people

When you say they’re the fastest wheels at super smooth skateparks, what kind of “smooth” is the skatepark. I skated a newish park in Anaheim(manzanita) earlier that seemed to be made with super smooth, but also soft feeling concrete. It felt like I had to pump extra hard there. Wondering if that’s the kind of park that those Bones excel in. Either way it’s not gonna make me swap from f4’s-just curious
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SlapMcKracken on May 10, 2023, 01:13:49 AM
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I skate a super smooth skate park mostly, but sometimes I skate rough street spots.

Are the dragons good for extreme smooth parks too?
How do they slide compared to f4‘s?

Should I stick to f4s and really only use dragons for when I skate street?
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Yes to the last sentence

Why? Cause f4s slide better?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: commander jameson on May 10, 2023, 01:27:32 AM
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I skate a super smooth skate park mostly, but sometimes I skate rough street spots.

Are the dragons good for extreme smooth parks too?
How do they slide compared to f4‘s?

Should I stick to f4s and really only use dragons for when I skate street?
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Yes to the last sentence
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Why? Cause f4s slide better?

Dragon feel slowish on smooth surfaces. I would use Dragons for rough streets only.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on May 10, 2023, 02:27:33 AM
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https://dogtownskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/k-9-80s-wheels-60mm-x-92a-white?variant=43346481316077

I’ve skated these dogtowns for a week and these are seriously the best wheels ever, highly recommend them. 92a seems too soft, I know what you’re thinking, but these actually screech plenty loud and are not mushy whatsoever. They do seem harder than 92a, honestly. No slipouts whatsoever yet they break into a slide easily when you want them to. I’ve also been having an issue with bearing slippage in all kinds of wheels lately and FINALLY it stopped with these so that’s another reason why I like them. If you don’t want big 60mm, they offer the same duro in a classic round shape in smaller sizes.
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interesting, anyone know who's pouring them?

Creative urethane
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 10, 2023, 06:22:12 AM
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I skate a super smooth skate park mostly, but sometimes I skate rough street spots.

Are the dragons good for extreme smooth parks too?
How do they slide compared to f4‘s?

Should I stick to f4s and really only use dragons for when I skate street?
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Yes to the last sentence
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Why? Cause f4s slide better?

The Bones are soft, they are not made for smooth parks. They slide great on rough surfaces, but they grip pretty good on skatepark-smooth stuff. Not recommended for that.

But if you are in an old, weathered park or on some rough ground, they fucking excel. I like like them much more than my 97a Spits.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: schralp pal on May 10, 2023, 03:25:18 PM
Felt like changing something so I got some cherries 99 56mm classic shape.

F4s are pretty much the feeling of skateboarding to me, but these feel great enough to skate them down and get my moneys worth. Nice creamy color, feel softer than 99 f4s but they slide without too much effort.  not sure who pours them says made in USA
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 10, 2023, 05:03:33 PM
Felt like changing something so I got some cherries 99 56mm classic shape.

F4s are pretty much the feeling of skateboarding to me, but these feel great enough to skate them down and get my moneys worth. Nice creamy color, feel softer than 99 f4s but they slide without too much effort.  not sure who pours them says made in USA

Man I really want to try some cherries. I’m curious but most seem to be 101 but I was curious about the slide on the 99 they have. I thought I read they was poured in TX. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 10, 2023, 05:13:04 PM
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https://dogtownskateboards.com/collections/wheels/products/k-9-80s-wheels-60mm-x-92a-white?variant=43346481316077

I’ve skated these dogtowns for a week and these are seriously the best wheels ever, highly recommend them. 92a seems too soft, I know what you’re thinking, but these actually screech plenty loud and are not mushy whatsoever. They do seem harder than 92a, honestly. No slipouts whatsoever yet they break into a slide easily when you want them to. I’ve also been having an issue with bearing slippage in all kinds of wheels lately and FINALLY it stopped with these so that’s another reason why I like them. If you don’t want big 60mm, they offer the same duro in a classic round shape in smaller sizes.
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interesting, anyone know who's pouring them?
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Creative urethane

kind of expected that, ty
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on May 10, 2023, 08:34:24 PM
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Felt like changing something so I got some cherries 99 56mm classic shape.

F4s are pretty much the feeling of skateboarding to me, but these feel great enough to skate them down and get my moneys worth. Nice creamy color, feel softer than 99 f4s but they slide without too much effort.  not sure who pours them says made in USA
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Man I really want to try some cherries. I’m curious but most seem to be 101 but I was curious about the slide on the 99 they have. I thought I read they was poured in TX. I could be wrong.

Poured out of aend industries in hutto Texas, I have nothing nice to say about Aend so I’ll keep quiet, cherries is cool cause of what they do for the scene here in ATX, they are always putting on contests and pouring diy spots around town, hook a couple local bros, so I give them props for that, I don’t back the product though, apparently they make wheels for autobahn, snot, hazard, and the sml formula a lot of people like, all personal preference
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 10, 2023, 09:09:03 PM
Hoping these work out well, especially for the price

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 11, 2023, 07:58:22 AM
Hoping these work out well, especially for the price

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their marketing department should pay you for that pic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 14, 2023, 03:46:39 PM
Has anyone tried Ouro Wheels yet?

I’ve been curious about them for a while. They also just started making bushings and they do custom colors for both wheels and bushings.

I liked NFG but they’re not around anymore so I want to find another small operation to support.

Might just pull the trigger on some bushings and wheels.

It’s @skatewheel_maker on IG.

https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/products

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 14, 2023, 06:02:40 PM
Has anyone tried Ouro Wheels yet?

I’ve been curious about them for a while. They also just started making bushings and they do custom colors for both wheels and bushings.

I liked NFG but they’re not around anymore so I want to find another small operation to support.

Might just pull the trigger on some bushings and wheels.

It’s @skatewheel_maker on IG.

https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/products



I saw a few posts from them the other day - look really good, especially the option for softer wheels that skate more like normal wheels.

As I am down under in AU, it is more just something to look at and think about, but anyone in USA should be able to get a set or three and give them a good go for sure.


It was the matching wheels to bushings post I saw that made me think about them again and send to some others I know who are a bit colour obsessed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 14, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
That last pic of that Ouro wheel looks very NFG-ish 🤔
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 15, 2023, 10:40:02 AM
just noticed those 99a one's posted are technically from a diff manufacturer. mentioned in the insta post, but looks like the money is going to go toward getting the process moved in house for the harder wheels
https://www.instagram.com/p/CsPJG0zptJj/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on May 15, 2023, 11:40:50 AM
Has anyone tried Ouro Wheels yet?

I’ve been curious about them for a while. They also just started making bushings and they do custom colors for both wheels and bushings.

I liked NFG but they’re not around anymore so I want to find another small operation to support.

Might just pull the trigger on some bushings and wheels.

It’s @skatewheel_maker on IG.

https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/products


Never heard of em but they look nice, I'll give em a shot.

That last pic of that Ouro wheel looks very NFG-ish 🤔

Natural urethane has that potato color to it, it just means they aren't using any dye for that formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on May 15, 2023, 11:50:48 AM
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I’ve been curious about them for a while. They also just started making bushings and they do custom colors for both wheels and bushings.

I liked NFG but they’re not around anymore so I want to find another small operation to support.

Might just pull the trigger on some bushings and wheels.

It’s @skatewheel_maker on IG.

https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/products

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Never heard of em but they look nice, I'll give em a shot.

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That last pic of that Ouro wheel looks very NFG-ish 🤔
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Natural urethane has that potato color to it, it just means they aren't using any dye for that formula

He did this one wheel that was half translucent, has solid. It was pretty damn sick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 15, 2023, 01:02:29 PM
Y'all glossing over these:
https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/product/white-caramel-wheels-8mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatrickSkateman on May 15, 2023, 01:03:47 PM
I rode quite a few sets of Prizefighter Cutlery Wheels in 2011. Those were so good.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 15, 2023, 02:18:06 PM
Y'all glossing over these:
https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/product/white-caramel-wheels-8mm

Gonna need some much much bigger pants if I’m rocking 8mm wheels.  8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 15, 2023, 06:18:45 PM
Those dueling dragons look nice. Also looks like a classic with a wider contact patch. I just wish they was 54mm. I wonder if he could make them larger in that shape.

Also for all the people that want green venture bushings this may be the ticket for the green bushings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 17, 2023, 09:13:18 PM
Jaws been riding them dragons/x97s for 10yrs....dayum

https://www.skateboarding.com/trending-news/aaron-jaws-homoki-has-been-doing-those-huge-ollies?fbclid=IwAR3-jNuJThgGAq56WidXCJC4thb7MnMUtMKrDRrCDUPJTQ7HJnnTgZyWRIY

Also, another official ’coming soon’ from bones about the x99a in the insta thread
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Steely Daniel on May 18, 2023, 02:23:11 AM
Y'all glossing over these:
https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/product/white-caramel-wheels-8mm

Lol some BMXer came up to me at the park a few months ago and had that whole Caramel setup... I've posted about that a few times though.

So as to not spam this thread I did set up some new wheels today. 54 mm SML Mike Arnold Big Wave Vcut conical. I like them a lot better than my 56 f4 conical fulls actually. They feel very similar but just different and smaller enough to make a difference and clean up a lot of my flat ground tricks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on May 18, 2023, 02:27:46 AM
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Y'all glossing over these:
https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/product/white-caramel-wheels-8mm
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Lol some BMXer came up to me at the park a few months ago and had that whole Caramel setup... I've posted about that a few times though.

So as to not spam this thread I did set up some new wheels today. 54 mm SML Mike Arnold Big Wave Vcut conical. I like them a lot better than my 56 f4 conical fulls actually. They feel very similar but just different and smaller enough to make a difference and clean up a lot of my flat ground tricks.

Good to see you post my dude @Steely Daniel .

Been riding the 53mm AG Formula Classics for a few months and I've got zero complaints, no coning but they've started to widen out with wear. Got a load of them on clearance so I'm stocked for the next few years, and they make great presents for homies birthdays.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cliff on May 18, 2023, 09:29:36 AM
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Y'all glossing over these:
https://www.ouroskateboardwheels.com/product/white-caramel-wheels-8mm
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Lol some BMXer came up to me at the park a few months ago and had that whole Caramel setup... I've posted about that a few times though.

So as to not spam this thread I did set up some new wheels today. 54 mm SML Mike Arnold Big Wave Vcut conical. I like them a lot better than my 56 f4 conical fulls actually. They feel very similar but just different and smaller enough to make a difference and clean up a lot of my flat ground tricks.
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Good to see you post my dude @Steely Daniel .

Been riding the 53mm AG Formula Classics for a few months and I've got zero complaints, no coning but they've started to widen out with wear. Got a load of them on clearance so I'm stocked for the next few years, and they make great presents for homies birthdays.

Really appreciate you guys supporting Sml.!! Glad to hear the feedback from the uber product people of SLAP. Been a rough year and a half but we're still small enough (pun intended) to navigate the slow down.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roll_dog on May 18, 2023, 11:12:00 AM
Jaws been riding them dragons/x97s for 10yrs....dayum

https://www.skateboarding.com/trending-news/aaron-jaws-homoki-has-been-doing-those-huge-ollies?fbclid=IwAR3-jNuJThgGAq56WidXCJC4thb7MnMUtMKrDRrCDUPJTQ7HJnnTgZyWRIY

Also, another official ’coming soon’ from bones about the x99a in the insta thread

Makes me wonder if they are axing 99a STFs. I'm still salty about how much worse the "dirty birds" were than the bleached white ones. No idea why they made that move
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 18, 2023, 11:24:28 AM
Just saw bones post about the x99s in a v6 shape. That v6 looks line a wider v5. Less like a conical and more like a classic. So it sounds awesome. I just hope the x99s slide as good as spits but don’t feel icy and I’ll be sold.

Unpopular opinion. Bones has better shapes than spits. But spits urethane is better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2023, 12:18:35 PM
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Jaws been riding them dragons/x97s for 10yrs....dayum

https://www.skateboarding.com/trending-news/aaron-jaws-homoki-has-been-doing-those-huge-ollies?fbclid=IwAR3-jNuJThgGAq56WidXCJC4thb7MnMUtMKrDRrCDUPJTQ7HJnnTgZyWRIY

Also, another official ’coming soon’ from bones about the x99a in the insta thread
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Makes me wonder if they are axing 99a STFs. I'm still salty about how much worse the "dirty birds" were than the bleached white ones. No idea why they made that move

Fear of continued dwindling marketshare to spit is the only reason I could see...color aside, those bleached white Easy Street wheels were soooooo good, so much better than the current 99a stfs formula.

The advent of Dirty birds changes the entirely of the bones line (except spfs for some reason).

If those easy streets were still made it's all I'd ride (currently running x97)

https://www.skatedeluxe.com/blog/en/bones-wheels-easy-streets-skate-test-review/

(https://www.skatedeluxe.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bones-wheels-easy-streets-stf-99a-test-review-1.jpg)

PP marketing is garbage these days, catering only to old heads....the new blood team...well we all know that roster to some extent but they're just not heavy hitters like bigger teams with bigger pros (I think Alves is underrated)....They've got Dan and Andy right....RIGHT?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 18, 2023, 12:51:23 PM
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Jaws been riding them dragons/x97s for 10yrs....dayum

https://www.skateboarding.com/trending-news/aaron-jaws-homoki-has-been-doing-those-huge-ollies?fbclid=IwAR3-jNuJThgGAq56WidXCJC4thb7MnMUtMKrDRrCDUPJTQ7HJnnTgZyWRIY

Also, another official ’coming soon’ from bones about the x99a in the insta thread
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PP marketing is garbage these days, catering only to old heads....the new blood team...well we all know that roster to some extent but they're just not heavy hitters like bigger teams with bigger pros (I think Alves is underrated)....They've got Dan and Andy right....RIGHT?
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agreeing with this & from my perspective spitfire's marketing feels like they are selling you a tool/part vs PP's feels like they are selling you a lifestyle, which is fine but not my thing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2023, 02:19:26 PM
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Jaws been riding them dragons/x97s for 10yrs....dayum

https://www.skateboarding.com/trending-news/aaron-jaws-homoki-has-been-doing-those-huge-ollies?fbclid=IwAR3-jNuJThgGAq56WidXCJC4thb7MnMUtMKrDRrCDUPJTQ7HJnnTgZyWRIY

Also, another official ’coming soon’ from bones about the x99a in the insta thread
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PP marketing is garbage these days, catering only to old heads....the new blood team...well we all know that roster to some extent but they're just not heavy hitters like bigger teams with bigger pros (I think Alves is underrated)....They've got Dan and Andy right....RIGHT?
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agreeing with this & from my perspective spitfire's marketing feels like they are selling you a tool/part vs PP's feels like they are selling you a lifestyle, which is fine but not my thing
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Imagine having Dan Corg as a 'face' of your company via social media....compare that to say Asta and SC....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 18, 2023, 03:11:07 PM
Is Paul blart and bones saying Reynolds buys bones?(https://i.ibb.co/RP0sRbj/IMG-3377.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RP0sRbj)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on May 18, 2023, 03:23:16 PM
Is Paul blart and bones saying Reynolds buys bones?(https://i.ibb.co/RP0sRbj/IMG-3377.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RP0sRbj)

Drew is a known tinkerer and experimenter with product so I would not be surprised if he does buy Bones wheels but that is super duper uncool for Bones to put him on blast on their IG like that unless he's already left Spitfire or they aren't referring to Drew
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2023, 03:49:50 PM
There’s one Boss…but yeah that blast…far as we know he’s still on spit…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 18, 2023, 03:55:01 PM
There’s one Boss…but yeah that blast…far as we know he’s still on spit…


And Koston was still on Indy...


Nah jokes aside, going back over Boss clips and the funny thing is they do look a lot like Bones wheels in a lot of those clips so who knows?!?

Either way, I know the Spitfire > Bones or Bones > Spitfire conversation could go on a whole lot longer than it needs, but they are both top wheels.

I just prefer Spitfire and that's fine with me.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 18, 2023, 04:49:41 PM
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Jaws been riding them dragons/x97s for 10yrs....dayum

https://www.skateboarding.com/trending-news/aaron-jaws-homoki-has-been-doing-those-huge-ollies?fbclid=IwAR3-jNuJThgGAq56WidXCJC4thb7MnMUtMKrDRrCDUPJTQ7HJnnTgZyWRIY

Also, another official ’coming soon’ from bones about the x99a in the insta thread
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PP marketing is garbage these days, catering only to old heads....the new blood team...well we all know that roster to some extent but they're just not heavy hitters like bigger teams with bigger pros (I think Alves is underrated)....They've got Dan and Andy right....RIGHT?
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Imagine having Dan Corg as a 'face' of your company via social media....compare that to say Asta and SC....
savage mental exercise


in wheel news, it looks like loophole has their wheels up on their site for ordering, profile pic of shapes as well
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on May 18, 2023, 05:03:33 PM
who the fuck even likes paul hart?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 18, 2023, 05:21:56 PM
who the fuck even likes paul hart?

No one. Or no one that’s respectable.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on May 19, 2023, 09:13:54 AM
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Jaws been riding them dragons/x97s for 10yrs....dayum

https://www.skateboarding.com/trending-news/aaron-jaws-homoki-has-been-doing-those-huge-ollies?fbclid=IwAR3-jNuJThgGAq56WidXCJC4thb7MnMUtMKrDRrCDUPJTQ7HJnnTgZyWRIY

Also, another official ’coming soon’ from bones about the x99a in the insta thread
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PP marketing is garbage these days, catering only to old heads....the new blood team...well we all know that roster to some extent but they're just not heavy hitters like bigger teams with bigger pros (I think Alves is underrated)....They've got Dan and Andy right....RIGHT?
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agreeing with this & from my perspective spitfire's marketing feels like they are selling you a tool/part vs PP's feels like they are selling you a lifestyle, which is fine but not my thing
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Well put.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on May 19, 2023, 09:16:48 AM
Hey, how are them Spitfire 80HD wheels? Compared to e.g. Super Juices or similar? Been meaning to set up my old 9" pool shape as a cruiser and frankly I have no idea where to begin with wheels. The streets here are mainly crusty asphalt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 19, 2023, 09:26:08 AM
80Hds are a soft wheel that are shaped and feel a bit more like regular street wheel. They had some issues but apparently the new versions are good. I personally really like the way they look and feel. You can skate them a bit more like a regular wheel. OJs are rad cruiser wheels and will probably roll over really terrible ground better but are less conducive to doing other stuff. Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on May 19, 2023, 11:07:34 AM
Hey, how are them Spitfire 80HD wheels? Compared to e.g. Super Juices or similar? Been meaning to set up my old 9" pool shape as a cruiser and frankly I have no idea where to begin with wheels. The streets here are mainly crusty asphalt.

I don't think the 80HDs will slide at all but I have not ever ridden them so I cant confirm. I ride the Super Juice minis atm and they are fast af and roll over anything but have zero slide. They also feel hefty because they're so wide but I got used to it fast and can pop some flips too. I believe the Spits will be much easier for flips.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on May 19, 2023, 04:16:38 PM
Short story regarding SkateOne’s amazing customer service:

I emailed them about my 60mm dragons that have insane bearing slippage and they got back to me immediately, requested a video and after some quick back and forth they sent me a new set all the way from cali that got here in two days. They were definitely different than the original set. No tread this time, more natural colored and felt bouncier and softer. Fucking amazing wheels man, in that size and OG Rat Bones shape they blast through even the roughest pavement. Unfortunately the slippage is still happening but not as bad as the first set. If they had plastic cores they would be unbeatable. The amount of speed they keep for being so soft is crazy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 19, 2023, 04:57:04 PM
Short story regarding SkateOne’s amazing customer service:

I emailed them about my 60mm dragons that have insane bearing slippage and they got back to me immediately, requested a video and after some quick back and forth they sent me a new set all the way from cali that got here in two days. They were definitely different than the original set. No tread this time, more natural colored and felt bouncier and softer. Fucking amazing wheels man, in that size and OG Rat Bones shape they blast through even the roughest pavement. Unfortunately the slippage is still happening but not as bad as the first set. If they had plastic cores they would be unbeatable. The amount of speed they keep for being so soft is crazy.
Have you tried degreasing the outside of your bearings and the bearing seat? That might be the real problem
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Phao Lo on May 19, 2023, 05:57:13 PM
Short story regarding SkateOne’s amazing customer service:

I emailed them about my 60mm dragons that have insane bearing slippage and they got back to me immediately, requested a video and after some quick back and forth they sent me a new set all the way from cali that got here in two days. They were definitely different than the original set. No tread this time, more natural colored and felt bouncier and softer. Fucking amazing wheels man, in that size and OG Rat Bones shape they blast through even the roughest pavement. Unfortunately the slippage is still happening but not as bad as the first set. If they had plastic cores they would be unbeatable. The amount of speed they keep for being so soft is crazy.

I had the same issue with both 52mm Dragons and 55mm V5 X-Formula 97a -- the inner bearings on my toe-side wheels would slip causing the wheel to seize up.  I gave up and went back to Spitfire 97a. Never had this issue with any other wheels I've skated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on May 19, 2023, 07:06:40 PM
To be fair this issue has happened with a few different wheels in softer durometers of different companies but by far the bones dragons were insanely bad. Almost completely coming out of the wheel just from powersliding real quick or fs slashing coping. Slappies were a nightmare. And yeah, I tried every solution imaginable. Seems like plastic cores or harder wheels are the only solution. But both aren’t as desirable for me these days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on May 19, 2023, 07:23:34 PM
I need to find someone with a lathe.
I have 2 prototype sets of the dragons in 90a and 93a with cores, but the wheels are a bit too wide. If I could shave them off a bit they’d be perfect for some of the streets and older parks here in Japan
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 19, 2023, 07:39:01 PM
I need to find someone with a lathe.
I have 2 prototype sets of the dragons in 90a and 93a with cores, but the wheels are a bit too wide. If I could shave them off a bit they’d be perfect for some of the streets and older parks here in Japan

An angle grinder has less quality control but is way easier to use and more readily available.

Not for everyone, I would be the first to admit, but a little practice on other wheels or even just taking it slow and not going too hard and it usually works well, especially more for sidewall shaping, rather than anything else.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 19, 2023, 08:25:53 PM
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Short story regarding SkateOne’s amazing customer service:

I emailed them about my 60mm dragons that have insane bearing slippage and they got back to me immediately, requested a video and after some quick back and forth they sent me a new set all the way from cali that got here in two days. They were definitely different than the original set. No tread this time, more natural colored and felt bouncier and softer. Fucking amazing wheels man, in that size and OG Rat Bones shape they blast through even the roughest pavement. Unfortunately the slippage is still happening but not as bad as the first set. If they had plastic cores they would be unbeatable. The amount of speed they keep for being so soft is crazy.
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Have you tried degreasing the outside of your bearings and the bearing seat? That might be the real problem

I don’t have an issue with my dragons. I have an idea for you :

What if you you installed race reds bearings? There would be no play on the axel so bearing pop would not occur.

https://bonesbearings.com/bones-reg-race-reds-reg-skateboard-bearings-8-pack
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Plan9Customs on May 19, 2023, 09:19:09 PM
80Hds are a soft wheel that are shaped and feel a bit more like regular street wheel. They had some issues but apparently the new versions are good. I personally really like the way they look and feel. You can skate them a bit more like a regular wheel. OJs are rad cruiser wheels and will probably roll over really terrible ground better but are less conducive to doing other stuff. Just my humble opinion.

I’m going to agree on this.
I will add they do slide(you’re going to need to have some speed and push harder into them), they will wear down fairly quick though (probably 2/3 months) so go for at least a 56. The suck on nose and tail slides though unless you’re skating something that’s waxed to hell. They’re definitely more trick friendly than the mini or reg super juices since they’re shaped more like a regular wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on May 20, 2023, 02:55:36 AM
Thanks for the input on the 80HD's, sounds like they might be the soft ones for me. Looking for something that is not too bulky and not completely surf skate style, but rather a soft wheel for cruising around and popping some ollies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 20, 2023, 10:30:18 AM
There are also rumors of Spitfire coming up with a new formula that may or may not be along the Bones Dragon line... Details are sparse... Someone on this message boards knows but they ain't sharing...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 20, 2023, 10:42:46 AM
There are also rumors of Spitfire coming up with a new formula that may or may not be along the Bones Dragon line... Details are sparse... Someone on this message boards knows but they ain't sharing...

They teased a 95a wheel in an instagram story some time ago if I remember correctly
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 20, 2023, 10:43:33 AM
I think its more than just a 95a F4. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 20, 2023, 10:49:10 AM
I think its more than just a 95a F4. I could be wrong.
Hopefully, a 95a F4 would barely slide. It is/was a cool trend but I'm over soft/hybrid wheels already. Bones 97a won the game, but I'm still back on F4 99a.

*I would totally ride bones 97a forever if 70% of what I'm doing wasn't pinchy grinds on terribly sticky ledges
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 20, 2023, 11:31:58 AM
Does anyone know what the difference between a bones xformula 99a and 99a stf will be?  I took it to the comments on the gram like a man but bones never replied. And I don’t skate bones enough to know the nuances of the x formula and like how that may be as a 99 and how the regular 99 stf are
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 20, 2023, 02:05:02 PM
Does anyone know what the difference between a bones xformula 99a and 99a stf will be?  I took it to the comments on the gram like a man but bones never replied. And I don’t skate bones enough to know the nuances of the x formula and like how that may be as a 99 and how the regular 99 stf are

The Dragon/X formula is a hybrid that floats over rough ground without losing speed like typical 99+ duro wheels do, and it also powerslides more like a hard wheel. I’m sure the hope is that these will have a better slide on ledges and coping, which seems to be the biggest weakness in the Dragons and X97s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 20, 2023, 03:16:37 PM
Does anyone know what the difference between a bones xformula 99a and 99a stf will be?  I took it to the comments on the gram like a man but bones never replied. And I don’t skate bones enough to know the nuances of the x formula and like how that may be as a 99 and how the regular 99 stf are
X formula in 99a would probably be super slidey. Stf 99a are kinda grippy
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 20, 2023, 09:15:46 PM
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Does anyone know what the difference between a bones xformula 99a and 99a stf will be?  I took it to the comments on the gram like a man but bones never replied. And I don’t skate bones enough to know the nuances of the x formula and like how that may be as a 99 and how the regular 99 stf are
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The Dragon/X formula is a hybrid that floats over rough ground without losing speed like typical 99+ duro wheels do, and it also powerslides more like a hard wheel. I’m sure the hope is that these will have a better slide on ledges and coping, which seems to be the biggest weakness in the Dragons and X97s.

I can't see it fixing it 100% but having skating them both, logic would dictate that: 93a<97a<99a in terms of how the slide improves as the duro gets harder...still the nature of the thane is just different and I don't think you could have have both the vibration reduction they provide and the slide of a say, a 99a spit...the xthane is just gummy by nature.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on May 20, 2023, 09:58:46 PM
Isn’t the noise and the feel of the compound considerably different? 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 21, 2023, 04:35:42 AM
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They teased a 95a wheel in an instagram story some time ago if I remember correctly


Someone took a screen shot of an Andrew Reynolds story that had the 95 duro wheels to test, maybe posted here or on the Formula Four thread, but I don't think anyone had anything else to add after that was posted, re more info, details, specs or whatever.


Found it here:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3844610#msg3844610


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"They literally sound like walmart wheels!" in an enthusiastic tone. I'll just skate harder wheels and let my bones rattle to dust.

Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52282017570_38f61d70a3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nDZ1m3)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2nDZ1m3) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on May 21, 2023, 12:04:19 PM
Isn’t the noise and the feel of the compound considerably different? 

Drastically different than 99/101 spits / 103a stfs....the x97a feel, sound and skate better than 99a stfs tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 23, 2023, 02:04:01 AM
suppose youre cruising around nyc all day
do you get the mini super juice?
or is sliding more important than lower duro?

dragons, x97 formula, or 97a f4
cant decide but i hope the answer isnt dragons

edit: keyframes?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on May 23, 2023, 05:54:52 AM
suppose youre cruising around nyc all day
do you get the mini super juice?
or is sliding more important than lower duro?

dragons, x97 formula, or 97a f4
cant decide but i hope the answer isnt dragons

edit: keyframes?

don't have a definitive answer but i do know that the 97a f4s are not the move in this case
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on May 23, 2023, 06:29:24 AM
suppose youre cruising around nyc all day
do you get the mini super juice?
or is sliding more important than lower duro?

dragons, x97 formula, or 97a f4
cant decide but i hope the answer isnt dragons

edit: keyframes?

Depends on your use case.

If you just wanna ride and you're not worried about tricks get the 60mm super juice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on May 23, 2023, 07:06:14 AM
I think Ricta Clouds are slightly more practical while also being an amazing cruiser wheel. All my big sidewalk hill bomb mannys are done on those. Juice are probably smoother though but i heard they chip on noseslides and stuff. they dont seem at all practical for tricks over a long period of time. you might get access to a bit more terrain on juices though but the clouds are damn good. cracks arent shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: IpathCats on May 23, 2023, 07:09:50 AM
I think Ricta Clouds are slightly more practical while also being an amazing cruiser wheel. All my big sidewalk hill bomb mannys are done on those. Juice are probably smoother though but i heard they chip on noseslides and stuff. they dont seem at all practical for tricks over a long period of time. you might get access to a bit more terrain on juices though but the clouds are damn good. cracks arent shit.

I havent had and issue with my super juice's cracking, but i dont really do tricks on them.

My oj III's cracked like a MF
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 23, 2023, 07:58:35 AM
suppose youre cruising around nyc all day
do you get the mini super juice?
or is sliding more important than lower duro?

dragons, x97 formula, or 97a f4
cant decide but i hope the answer isnt dragons

edit: keyframes?

If you’re just cruising A-to-B, Super Juice are great, but you can definitely shred and chunk them if you’re trying to slide on rough ground.

Dragons and Keyframes actually fit a similar niche, but Dragons are much better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 23, 2023, 08:31:28 AM
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4

I like this kid's channel. I like his skateboard style too.

This video is mids for the skate style factor but the video proves that I was right.

Bringing back old formulas is tired.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on May 23, 2023, 08:33:58 AM
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4

I like this kid's channel. I like his skateboard style too.

This video is mids for the skate style factor but the video proves that I was right.

Bringing back old formulas is tired.

thats the homey yourbreakfsat  8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on May 23, 2023, 09:51:14 AM
That was a good review. Def will start watching his reviews.

Also so with all the oj marketing they basically made 99a wheel. And charge $20 more. Classic nhs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on May 23, 2023, 03:17:38 PM
gonna bite on the bones x97s
do these wheels wear down quickly cause ill go with 56mm if so
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 24, 2023, 04:08:23 PM
I picked up some of the new 53mm Loophole conical wheels.

Here’s some photos of the new Loops shown next to the old NFG/Loophole teardrop shape for comparison.

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(https://i.ibb.co/Yh97Lx1/IMG-2542.jpg)

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Compared to the conical cut Vee shape that NFG/Loophole used to offer these new ones are much less extreme in width and much less sharp on edge.

There’s a nice radius on the edge, and they’re not the color of cave aged sharp white cheddar/ oxidized golden potatoes like the old ones were.

They have treads so that’s a bit of a bummer but I’m still excited to try them out.

Someone here mentioned that the new Loops might be poured by Acid Chemical Co. I’m not sure where they’re made but they sure do look like Acid wheels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on May 24, 2023, 04:32:05 PM
I picked up some of the new 53mm Loophole conical wheels.

Here’s some photos of the new Loops shown next to the old NFG/Loophole teardrop shape for comparison.

(https://i.ibb.co/xjJyWnL/IMG-2543.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MBKVW0/IMG-2544.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yh97Lx1/IMG-2542.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7g5gSFn/IMG-2545.jpg)

Compared to the conical cut Vee shape that NFG/Loophole used to offer these new ones are much less extreme in width and much less sharp on edge.

There’s a nice radius on the edge, and they’re not the color of sharp white cheddar/ oxidized potatoes like the old ones were.

They have treads so that’s a bit of a bummer but I’m still excited to try them out.

Someone here mentioned that the new Loops might be poured by Acid Chemical Co. I’m not sure where they’re made but they sure do look like Acid wheels.

I confirmed this with the owner of my local a little while ago. Apparently the Loophole dudes got fucked over by whoever was running NFG if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 24, 2023, 04:45:38 PM
Damn that sucks if they got fucked over. They’ve got a sick team and I’m glad they were able to keep it going after NFG closed up shop.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GauchoAmigo on May 24, 2023, 04:51:31 PM
suppose youre cruising around nyc all day
do you get the mini super juice?
or is sliding more important than lower duro?

dragons, x97 formula, or 97a f4
cant decide but i hope the answer isnt dragons

edit: keyframes?
Why are you hoping not dragons? I got a pair this year and if you skate on the east coast I cannot recommend them enough.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on May 24, 2023, 05:27:50 PM
Damn that sucks if they got fucked over. They’ve got a sick team and I’m glad they were able to keep it going after NFG closed up shop.

Agreed, Jesse and those dudes are super sick
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on May 25, 2023, 01:07:10 AM
Ok friends. Aiming for rougher spots. Don't want a cruiser wheel, want to have control via micro slides etc. – hate the train track feel of super soft wheels. Also, want to go fast.

Thus, my question is: Bones Dragons or OJ Nomads? And if either, why?

(For some reason these two have come out as the top 2 options for me. Correct me if I'm wrong.)


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 25, 2023, 03:33:53 AM
Ok friends. Aiming for rougher spots. Don't want a cruiser wheel, want to have control via micro slides etc. – hate the traintrack feel of the super soft wheels. Also, want to go fast.

Thus, my question is: Bones Dragons or OJ Nomads? And if either, why?

(For some reason these two have come out as the top 2 options for me. Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Dragons all day. They're smoother and also slide better. As long as you're not trying to pinch any grinds, they're the best option
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on May 25, 2023, 07:58:45 AM
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Ok friends. Aiming for rougher spots. Don't want a cruiser wheel, want to have control via micro slides etc. – hate the traintrack feel of the super soft wheels. Also, want to go fast.

Thus, my question is: Bones Dragons or OJ Nomads? And if either, why?

(For some reason these two have come out as the top 2 options for me. Correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Dragons all day. They're smoother and also slide better. As long as you're not trying to pinch any grinds, they're the best option

Dragons, I still associate Bones with a higher quality product and OJ / Ricta as inferior. X-formula if it's not too crusty, Dragons if you're going hard in the paint.

But Ricta Clouds are still the best pure cruising wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 25, 2023, 09:33:45 AM
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Ok friends. Aiming for rougher spots. Don't want a cruiser wheel, want to have control via micro slides etc. – hate the traintrack feel of the super soft wheels. Also, want to go fast.

Thus, my question is: Bones Dragons or OJ Nomads? And if either, why?

(For some reason these two have come out as the top 2 options for me. Correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Dragons all day. They're smoother and also slide better. As long as you're not trying to pinch any grinds, they're the best option
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Dragons, I still associate Bones with a higher quality product and OJ / Ricta as inferior. X-formula if it's not too crusty, Dragons if you're going hard in the paint.

But Ricta Clouds are still the best pure cruising wheel.

Came here to ask something similar and got my answer. I have 60mm OJ IIIs on my travel deck but I’d never dream of tricking seriously on them. But I need something for that East Coast crust. I tried some 97a Vomit minis and they’re too hard and chalky. Super slow too. Dragons it is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Phao Lo on May 25, 2023, 08:39:52 PM
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I picked up some of the new 53mm Loophole conical wheels.

Here’s some photos of the new Loops shown next to the old NFG/Loophole teardrop shape for comparison.

(https://i.ibb.co/xjJyWnL/IMG-2543.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MBKVW0/IMG-2544.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yh97Lx1/IMG-2542.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7g5gSFn/IMG-2545.jpg)

Compared to the conical cut Vee shape that NFG/Loophole used to offer these new ones are much less extreme in width and much less sharp on edge.

There’s a nice radius on the edge, and they’re not the color of sharp white cheddar/ oxidized potatoes like the old ones were.

They have treads so that’s a bit of a bummer but I’m still excited to try them out.

Someone here mentioned that the new Loops might be poured by Acid Chemical Co. I’m not sure where they’re made but they sure do look like Acid wheels.
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I confirmed this with the owner of my local a little while ago. Apparently the Loophole dudes got fucked over by whoever was running NFG if I remember correctly.

I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on May 25, 2023, 09:31:18 PM
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4

I like this kid's channel. I like his skateboard style too.

This video is mids for the skate style factor but the video proves that I was right.

Bringing back old formulas is tired.

I'm glad there's guys like this who gives honest reviews of skate product. Gonna stay away from those wheels, haha.  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on May 26, 2023, 01:47:34 AM
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I picked up some of the new 53mm Loophole conical wheels.

Here’s some photos of the new Loops shown next to the old NFG/Loophole teardrop shape for comparison.

(https://i.ibb.co/xjJyWnL/IMG-2543.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MBKVW0/IMG-2544.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yh97Lx1/IMG-2542.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7g5gSFn/IMG-2545.jpg)

Compared to the conical cut Vee shape that NFG/Loophole used to offer these new ones are much less extreme in width and much less sharp on edge.

There’s a nice radius on the edge, and they’re not the color of sharp white cheddar/ oxidized potatoes like the old ones were.

They have treads so that’s a bit of a bummer but I’m still excited to try them out.

Someone here mentioned that the new Loops might be poured by Acid Chemical Co. I’m not sure where they’re made but they sure do look like Acid wheels.
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I confirmed this with the owner of my local a little while ago. Apparently the Loophole dudes got fucked over by whoever was running NFG if I remember correctly.
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I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.
Idk why anybody would skate something besides F4
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on May 26, 2023, 02:30:17 AM
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I picked up some of the new 53mm Loophole conical wheels.

Here’s some photos of the new Loops shown next to the old NFG/Loophole teardrop shape for comparison.

(https://i.ibb.co/xjJyWnL/IMG-2543.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MBKVW0/IMG-2544.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yh97Lx1/IMG-2542.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7g5gSFn/IMG-2545.jpg)

Compared to the conical cut Vee shape that NFG/Loophole used to offer these new ones are much less extreme in width and much less sharp on edge.

There’s a nice radius on the edge, and they’re not the color of sharp white cheddar/ oxidized potatoes like the old ones were.

They have treads so that’s a bit of a bummer but I’m still excited to try them out.

Someone here mentioned that the new Loops might be poured by Acid Chemical Co. I’m not sure where they’re made but they sure do look like Acid wheels.
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I confirmed this with the owner of my local a little while ago. Apparently the Loophole dudes got fucked over by whoever was running NFG if I remember correctly.
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I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.
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Idk why anybody would skate something besides F4

That's like saying "I don't know why anybody would ever drive something besides Mercedes/BMW/insert your preferred high-end car make here". There's lots of reasons:

- F4s are expensive, especially outside the US. In Europe they cost twice as much as local brands, and about 20-50% more than the other big names, depending on the exact product. Plus they're basically never on sale, whereas virtually all other brands you can get for a significant discount at one shop or another at any time.

- Not all skaters need the speed or "slideability" F4s offer. Just like any car will do for a new driver, most any wheel will do for a beginner skater. There's no need to pay a premium for learning the absolute basics, and it's not like F4s would make you learn to ollie faster.

- Not everybody finds F4s to be actually superior for their needs. I know quite a lot of people who never warmed up to them, especially among those who learned to skate way before their advent.


No doubt F4s are the premium wheel on the market today, but I see a lot of similarities between many F4 evangelists and those "fuck the rest" Indy stans. Cool, you found a product that works for you. No need to yuck other people's yum though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 26, 2023, 06:20:11 AM


- F4s are expensive, especially outside the US. In Europe they cost twice as much as local brands, and about 20-50% more than the other big names, depending on the exact product. Plus they're basically never on sale, whereas virtually all other brands you can get for a significant discount at one shop or another at any time.

- Not all skaters need the speed or "slideability" F4s offer. Just like any car will do for a new driver, most any wheel will do for a beginner skater. There's no need to pay a premium for learning the absolute basics, and it's not like F4s would make you learn to ollie faster.

- Not everybody finds F4s to be actually superior for their needs. I know quite a lot of people who never warmed up to them, especially among those who learned to skate way before their advent.


No doubt F4s are the premium wheel on the market today, but I see a lot of similarities between many F4 evangelists and those "fuck the rest" Indy stans. Cool, you found a product that works for you. No need to yuck other people's yum though.

Part of why I love skating is the experimentation. I mean, I almost exclusively skate Indy and BBS decks, but I’d never thumb my nose at people who feel differently. What I will poo-poo is people who don’t try new things and/or harsh on people for doing so. I just got a PS Stix deck and guess what? It’s great. And I love the Ventures I have on my travel board.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on May 26, 2023, 01:28:28 PM

I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.

Hard disagree here.

The Loopholes don’t feel slow, cheap or “plastic” to me. Actually they feel quite fast. They just feel and look different compared to my F4’s and SML’s. The Loopholes may look more “plastic” because they’re bright white and F4’s have that potato look.

They’re a bit harder to power slide than F4’s, yes. To me though it seems like “plastic” implies that they would be super slippery whereas these are pretty grippy but also slide/grind well.

I don’t need everything to feel like F4 to enjoy it and I also don’t need to be slipping and sliding ALL the time. Each to their own though.

I enjoyed my session on them, as I do with plenty of other non-F4 wheels, and I expect I’ll enjoy them more and more as the tread wears off.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on May 26, 2023, 01:39:22 PM
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I picked up some of the new 53mm Loophole conical wheels.

Here’s some photos of the new Loops shown next to the old NFG/Loophole teardrop shape for comparison.

(https://i.ibb.co/xjJyWnL/IMG-2543.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MBKVW0/IMG-2544.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yh97Lx1/IMG-2542.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7g5gSFn/IMG-2545.jpg)

Compared to the conical cut Vee shape that NFG/Loophole used to offer these new ones are much less extreme in width and much less sharp on edge.

There’s a nice radius on the edge, and they’re not the color of sharp white cheddar/ oxidized potatoes like the old ones were.

They have treads so that’s a bit of a bummer but I’m still excited to try them out.

Someone here mentioned that the new Loops might be poured by Acid Chemical Co. I’m not sure where they’re made but they sure do look like Acid wheels.
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I confirmed this with the owner of my local a little while ago. Apparently the Loophole dudes got fucked over by whoever was running NFG if I remember correctly.
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I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.
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Idk why anybody would skate something besides F4

the point of this thread is to discuss different wheels if you are not supportive of experimenting with different wheels then why are you in this thread it is clearly not the place for you go to the Spitfire F4 thread
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 27, 2023, 05:44:01 AM
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I picked up some of the new 53mm Loophole conical wheels.

Here’s some photos of the new Loops shown next to the old NFG/Loophole teardrop shape for comparison.

(https://i.ibb.co/xjJyWnL/IMG-2543.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/0MBKVW0/IMG-2544.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yh97Lx1/IMG-2542.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/7g5gSFn/IMG-2545.jpg)

Compared to the conical cut Vee shape that NFG/Loophole used to offer these new ones are much less extreme in width and much less sharp on edge.

There’s a nice radius on the edge, and they’re not the color of sharp white cheddar/ oxidized potatoes like the old ones were.

They have treads so that’s a bit of a bummer but I’m still excited to try them out.

Someone here mentioned that the new Loops might be poured by Acid Chemical Co. I’m not sure where they’re made but they sure do look like Acid wheels.
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I confirmed this with the owner of my local a little while ago. Apparently the Loophole dudes got fucked over by whoever was running NFG if I remember correctly.
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I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.
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Idk why anybody would skate something besides F4
imagine being a skater and not knowing the magic that is/ was NFG wheels …
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on May 27, 2023, 08:16:26 AM
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I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.
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Hard disagree here.

The Loopholes don’t feel slow, cheap or “plastic” to me. Actually they feel quite fast. They just feel and look different compared to my F4’s and SML’s. The Loopholes may look more “plastic” because they’re bright white and F4’s have that potato look.

They’re a bit harder to power slide than F4’s, yes. To me though it seems like “plastic” implies that they would be super slippery whereas these are pretty grippy but also slide/grind well.

I don’t need everything to feel like F4 to enjoy it and I also don’t need to be slipping and sliding ALL the time. Each to their own though.

I enjoyed my session on them, as I do with plenty of other non-F4 wheels, and I expect I’ll enjoy them more and more as the tread wears off.

I’m curious I wanna try a set of the new ones I really enjoyed the old formula as well, thanks for keeping us updated on the new ones
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on May 27, 2023, 08:33:57 AM
suppose youre cruising around nyc all day
do you get the mini super juice?
or is sliding more important than lower duro?

dragons, x97 formula, or 97a f4
cant decide but i hope the answer isnt dragons

edit: keyframes?

X97 still blunts and rolls well over chunky asphalt   Get those. They handle everything and still slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on May 27, 2023, 03:37:38 PM
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I got the 56mm 99a Roger Kreb wheels and tried them today. They felt extremely slow, cheap, and plastic.
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Hard disagree here.

The Loopholes don’t feel slow, cheap or “plastic” to me. Actually they feel quite fast. They just feel and look different compared to my F4’s and SML’s. The Loopholes may look more “plastic” because they’re bright white and F4’s have that potato look.

They’re a bit harder to power slide than F4’s, yes. To me though it seems like “plastic” implies that they would be super slippery whereas these are pretty grippy but also slide/grind well.

I don’t need everything to feel like F4 to enjoy it and I also don’t need to be slipping and sliding ALL the time. Each to their own though.

I enjoyed my session on them, as I do with plenty of other non-F4 wheels, and I expect I’ll enjoy them more and more as the tread wears off.
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I’m curious I wanna try a set of the new ones I really enjoyed the old formula as well, thanks for keeping us updated on the new ones

Anybody know the riding surface width of any of their classic wheels? Preferably 54mm.  Couldn’t find a guide

https://www.loopholewheels.com/product-page/wheel-ty-beall-54mm-99a-or-101a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on May 28, 2023, 09:30:37 AM
Okay, I think I’m actually pretty over 99a F4s.
They’re just not a true 99a wheel. They make more of a clack clack sound and the reason they slide so good is because they hard af.
I’ll try and see if I can sell them or trade them for something I’ll like. No way I’m just going to give them away for a total loss of 80$.

Tried out some different wheels when some guys and I were comparing them.
I like regular Bones STF 99a, OJ Elite 99a and spit Classic formula. They’re all the slightest bit gummy and grippier.

I want to try Bones SPF 81B and x97. They’re for indoor plywood and Crete floors.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 28, 2023, 10:29:28 AM
I was bored waiting on my spits to come and threw some skate warehouse 100a on a board. I got these on a complete for my son a few years ago because they were free and I already had mini logo 90a for him. I’m actually pleasantly surprised by them. Trying to figure out who poured them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: modern life is war on May 28, 2023, 02:53:37 PM
My friend who works for Powell gave me some bones x97s. They're 56mm, in a kinda classic shape. What are these wheels meant to be good for? He said they were grippy but slide good so I don't know, I'm going to try them on my slappy set up I think.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on May 28, 2023, 03:07:49 PM
My friend who works for Powell gave me some bones x97s. They're 56mm, in a kinda classic shape. What are these wheels meant to be good for? He said they were grippy but slide good so I don't know, I'm going to try them on my slappy set up I think.

Yous gotten spongsed! Cumgratulatioms!
I’ll never get free skate stuff, unless I find it in the trash bin at the park.
Are they the wide variety with a conical cut or more like a spitfire classic shape?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 28, 2023, 03:10:31 PM
My friend who works for Powell gave me some bones x97s. They're 56mm, in a kinda classic shape. What are these wheels meant to be good for? He said they were grippy but slide good so I don't know, I'm going to try them on my slappy set up I think.

They're great on rough surfaces, absorbs a lot of vibration and grips well while still easy to slide when you need them to.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on May 28, 2023, 07:17:53 PM
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My friend who works for Powell gave me some bones x97s. They're 56mm, in a kinda classic shape. What are these wheels meant to be good for? He said they were grippy but slide good so I don't know, I'm going to try them on my slappy set up I think.
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They're great on rough surfaces, absorbs a lot of vibration and grips well while still easy to slide when you need them to.

I'd like to see the 93a & 97a formula in their full range of shapes, right now we have:

93a - V1, V4, V6
97a - V1, V5, V6
99a - V1 - V6
101a - V1 - V6

I'd like to see a V3 in 97a, a very skinny wheel in 97a would be wild.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: modern life is war on May 28, 2023, 09:04:13 PM
Yous gotten spongsed! Cumgratulatioms!
I’ll never get free skate stuff, unless I find it in the trash bin at the park.
Are they the wide variety with a conical cut or more like a spitfire classic shape?

They're like a spitfire classic shape with rounded edges and not too wide.

They're great on rough surfaces, absorbs a lot of vibration and grips well while still easy to slide when you need them to.

I just tried them out skating an asphalt parking lot, these are way better than the spitifire 99 f4s i was riding for this kind of surface. Way grippier on the asphalt while still being hard enough to smash up into a curb and not bounce off. I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on May 29, 2023, 06:48:31 AM
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Yous gotten spongsed! Cumgratulatioms!
I’ll never get free skate stuff, unless I find it in the trash bin at the park.
Are they the wide variety with a conical cut or more like a spitfire classic shape?
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They're like a spitfire classic shape with rounded edges and not too wide.

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They're great on rough surfaces, absorbs a lot of vibration and grips well while still easy to slide when you need them to.
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I just tried them out skating an asphalt parking lot, these are way better than the spitifire 99 f4s i was riding for this kind of surface. Way grippier on the asphalt while still being hard enough to smash up into a curb and not bounce off. I'm a fan.

Thats Hella rad. You have a size/shape that didn’t make it to the shops. And if they skate good then what’s not to like.
I’m jonesing for them even more now. They’re supposed to slide and grip better than the current STF 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on May 29, 2023, 12:29:15 PM
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My friend who works for Powell gave me some bones x97s. They're 56mm, in a kinda classic shape. What are these wheels meant to be good for? He said they were grippy but slide good so I don't know, I'm going to try them on my slappy set up I think.
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They're great on rough surfaces, absorbs a lot of vibration and grips well while still easy to slide when you need them to.
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I'd like to see the 93a & 97a formula in their full range of shapes, right now we have:

93a - V1, V4, V6
97a - V1, V5, V6
99a - V1 - V6
101a - V1 - V6

I'd like to see a V3 in 97a, a very skinny wheel in 97a would be wild.


I just want a 60mm V6 :'^(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on May 30, 2023, 12:29:01 AM
Peeps who have gone down from 55-56mm wheels to something like 52-53mm – is there a noticeable difference? I know they're going to be a bit slower when going big, but otherwise? How's the ollie? Or are the effects just very marginal and I'm overthinking this?

As a background, I've been skating mostly transition for the past couple of years with 55-56 wheels mostly, but now I've began to dabble more on flatground/curbs/ledges and it's gotten me thinking about smaller wheels. I ride 53.5mm height Indys and a "normal" wheelbase, if that's something to consider.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 30, 2023, 02:31:51 AM
Peeps who have gone down from 55-56mm wheels to something like 52-53mm – is there a noticeable difference? I know they're going to be a bit slower when going big, but otherwise? How's the ollie? Or are the effects just very marginal and I'm overthinking this?

As a background, I've been skating mostly transition for the past couple of years with 55-56 wheels mostly, but now I've began to dabble more on flatground/curbs/ledges and it's gotten me thinking about smaller wheels. I ride 53.5mm height Indys and a "normal" wheelbase, if that's something to consider.


I guess my own experience definitely shows that smaller wheels work better on more street type stuff, coming from more transition based go fast 56 mm wheels, then finding that those wheels were just a bit big for the sort of smaller stuff I wanted to skate, so I would let a set wear down a lot more on a board and use that for the more tech stuff, rather than buying a smaller wheel, which was usually a lot more narrow and not quite what I wanted.

That said, a lot of people are riding wheels of about 52 mm or so - the most common wheel size in skateboarding for the reason that it is for street and tech, but can be used for everything as well.  Sure they are a bit slower and sometimes I feel like I just can't get going like I would on 56 mm wheels, but it's not like I need to go super fast for the more mellow street stuff I do anyway.

Regardless of the size or shape, it is more what you are used to and what will work best, but smaller wheels are generally easier to pop with and flip and do whatever else on if you do find that your usual wheels are making things harder for you.


For a lot of wheel shapes nowdays, you can easily get the same wheel in 52 or 53 mm as you would in 55 or 56 mm from most brands, not just Spitfire, Bones / Powell, OJs, but almost all the others which have a lot of those sizes, including Satori, SML wheel co, Loophole as per wheels I have seen or have had pass through my hands.


Edit:

The wheel size poll is interesting to see as well, 52 mm being the most common, then 53, then 54, then 56 mm sizes:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=126605.0

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on May 30, 2023, 05:16:53 AM
Peeps who have gone down from 55-56mm wheels to something like 52-53mm – is there a noticeable difference? I know they're going to be a bit slower when going big, but otherwise? How's the ollie? Or are the effects just very marginal and I'm overthinking this?

As a background, I've been skating mostly transition for the past couple of years with 55-56 wheels mostly, but now I've began to dabble more on flatground/curbs/ledges and it's gotten me thinking about smaller wheels. I ride 53.5mm height Indys and a "normal" wheelbase, if that's something to consider.
I have two set ups, my “tech” one has 52s and my “barge shit” one has 56s. I always start the session with my tech setup and then towards the end will swap over to the deck with 56mm wheels, doesn’t really bother me too much but if I did it in the other order it probably would? You can get used to almost any setup though …
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on May 30, 2023, 08:23:07 AM
What do you guys like better, Bones X Formula, or Dragons?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zyth on May 30, 2023, 11:33:15 AM
What do you guys like better, Bones X Formula, or Dragons?
dragons, the x formula slide too much on wood
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on May 30, 2023, 11:37:21 AM
What do you guys like better, Bones X Formula, or Dragons?
X  formula, but only because dragons suck for any pinched grinds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on May 30, 2023, 11:27:29 PM
I prefer the X Formulas because the feel more like the hard wheels I grew up on while still providing good impact absorption. Dragons are superior on very crusty terrain though, so I keep a set at the ready.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chronicbackpain on June 10, 2023, 10:40:00 AM
What set of wheels that are still available are the most similar to OJ Little Doodies?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: boneless900 on June 10, 2023, 07:01:36 PM
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What do you guys like better, Bones X Formula, or Dragons?
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X  formula, but only because dragons suck for any pinched grinds.

I've been skating the 54mm v1 dragons for this slappy spot I made bc the shape feels a lot easier to get up the curb vs the v6 x formulas I have.

But after learning slappy crooks, I agree that the dragons don't really hold their speed on when pinched. Gonna go back to the wide cut bones x formulas :/ saving up for the v1 version
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 10, 2023, 09:56:51 PM
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What do you guys like better, Bones X Formula, or Dragons?
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X  formula, but only because dragons suck for any pinched grinds.

^^
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on June 11, 2023, 09:12:39 AM
Sir && showing off new 97a wheels that are about to drop. New x formula shape I guess.
He calls it the nano combo. Super round outside wall, covering the axle nut. Sharp lock in inside wall.
Apparently he's been wanting/testing them for 12 years
https://youtu.be/fgGGMgOVSWY?t=477 (https://youtu.be/fgGGMgOVSWY?t=477)

Edit: More information from instagram:
"they are 97a dragons"
"their gunna be called NanoCubics cause they comin out in 52mm"
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtKMUpQMAUV/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CtKMUpQMAUV/)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: fernando the skater on June 11, 2023, 10:24:37 AM
Sir && showing off new 97a wheels that are about to drop. New x formula shape I guess.
He calls it the nano combo. Super round outside wall, covering the axle nut. Sharp lock in inside wall.
Apparently he's been wanting/testing them for 12 years
https://youtu.be/fgGGMgOVSWY?t=477 (https://youtu.be/fgGGMgOVSWY?t=477)

Edit: More information from instagram:
"they are 97a dragons"
"their gunna be called NanoCubics cause they comin out in 52mm"


Look like a standard offset freestyle shape.

I know he's not the brightest, but if you're in Spain at least try a little bit of the language, even if it's just "hola", "gracias".
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: freidnly guy on June 11, 2023, 10:48:22 AM
&& showing off new 97a wheels that are about to drop. New x formula shape I guess.
He calls it the nano combo
Looks cool if only because it's nice having your nuts protected. I have yet to try x97s, hopefully they come in 54.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 11, 2023, 11:48:08 AM
So...a lock-in?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on June 11, 2023, 12:07:21 PM
So...a lock-in?
Might be really similar to a lock in full
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on June 11, 2023, 01:59:04 PM
It’s not just about axel nuts….it’s about coconuts…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfakie on June 11, 2023, 06:17:10 PM
So...a lock-in?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 11, 2023, 06:32:37 PM
The lock in shape is kinda comical to me considering Spitfire has offered them for years and almost 0 of their pros actually ride them and they apparently don't sell well. It's a total grasping for straws concept. A radial will lock into some grinds slightly better than say a small classic, but I'd doubt an angled profile like a conical would be any different.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on June 12, 2023, 02:29:26 AM
Eh I actually like Lock-ins, a lighter Conical with no loss of contact patch

Lock-in FULL however really can’t see the point. And they’ve rounded off the square edge too?? Damn I’d have sprung for a F497 in regular Lock-in shape if it existed and well I wasn’t getting plenty life still out of my conicals in that duro.

Gonna be hard to resist that AA wheel when it comes out, depending how x97 feels to me might finally have the elusive “one” wheel for all there.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 12, 2023, 10:38:46 AM
Or the x99
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 12, 2023, 12:09:25 PM
Got a set of 54 lock in fulls for free recently and I'm shocked to say that I kinda like them.

Usually I skate classics or conicals, classic fulls/radial slims if I can find them, and occasionally OG classics. Conical fulls and lock ins I always thought were too chunky for me.

Surprisingly I haven't noticed significantly more drag on slides (and I'm riding thunders right now), and they definitely hold speed well on rough terrain and smooth out the ride compared to conicals. Pinch and lock in feel quite good too.

Thought they would mess with my flatground, but so far it hasn't seemed to and some tricks weirdly feel better. I can definitely tell that a lot of flip tricks feel different though so it definitely affects flatground to some degree. Pop feel is definitely heavier now which is a bit exhausting on a tired day though.

The wide look has kinda grown on me too. Dunno if I'd reach for these as my first option in the future, but its cool to find out that wide wheels work well for me too which is a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Slugboi22 on June 12, 2023, 12:27:08 PM
recently bought spitfire tablets to shake things up and have quickly realized that I just don’t like them all that much… I was riding radials before that and seriously miss them. Damn shame they got flat spotted to shit but i guess i’ll just make do with the tablets. Interesting reading about the lock in fulls though…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 12, 2023, 01:48:20 PM
Tablets are the worst shape. They're sold so that DLX can sell defect wheels from wider cuts. There is no real point in having zero sidewall and they catch cracks much easier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on June 12, 2023, 04:39:36 PM
i dig the tablets lol more for me i guess
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on June 12, 2023, 04:52:53 PM
i dig the tablets lol more for me i guess
Same I love the tablets. All that hanger space while still having a wide riding surface. + I learned fs crooks while riding them so I'll love them forever
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 12, 2023, 05:02:52 PM
Tablets are the worst shape. They're sold so that DLX can sell defect wheels from wider cuts. There is no real point in having zero sidewall and they catch cracks much easier.

Maybe if you are a ledge only skater...maybe, but then a conical or OG would be fine (but wider).

I've tried with 3 sets of tablets now and hate them every time; gave a set to a homie and he was struggling with some slappy variants (he was coming from conicals), switched back to classics and he had no more issues.

I willy grind on tablets :\

Radial sliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiims!!!! (they get hate of late but V2 STFs are damn near identical to radial slims (more so than they are close to tablets).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BL0B on June 12, 2023, 10:54:37 PM
i don't think they cut down wheels into tablets, outside of lil smokies. pretty sure the regular line of f4 tablets are poured that way.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on June 12, 2023, 11:02:57 PM
I learned bs hurricane stall on Tablets b/c of the lock-in factor, so there's a tiny soft spot for them in me. Otherwise, I feel that my feet start to hurt after riding them. They feel hella clunky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 12, 2023, 11:04:35 PM
I had a set of tablets once. They had a dead kinda waterlogged feeling that made them feel slower than they actually were. My guess is the wide contact patch and lack of side cut dampens the ground vibration. I rode them for a day, then gave them away. The kid I gave them to was stoked on them though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BL0B on June 12, 2023, 11:17:24 PM
when tablets 1st came out in the big pants small wheel days, they made the murderous spiked axle even worse, people would've like 3-5 threads showing and no wheel radius to protect them, not that the tiny classic like shaped wheels were much better, tablets just looked brutal back then.


grandpa's of to bed, nighty, nighty!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 14, 2023, 01:16:57 PM
So my oldest wanted my OJ Hot Juices. I love those fuckers, so I went on Amazon and got some Chinese knock offs with some alphabet soup name (RaceBon). Now, they definitely aren’t the specs they’re listed as (sold as 60mm 78a, but they’re 58mm and feel more like filmers, so ~84a) but for $17 you get about 85% of the OJ feel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on June 14, 2023, 01:23:19 PM
spitfire should prioritize classic fulls, og classics and radial slims.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 14, 2023, 01:48:51 PM
spitfire should prioritize classic fulls, og classics and radial slims.

Lots of us agree with this....and shake our fists at the Radial Full/Lock in Full skies =D

But...sales dictate what they put to market (for the most part...); I'd love to see data on why Lock-In FULLs are an actual thing people want vs. the demand for Classic Fulls. Hell, I'd like to see why Radial Full...fuck it, ALL FULLs vs their normal counterpart seem to take priority...tho I'd wager th e8 of use that want Radial slims is a small demographic ;)

Is it cheaper/more cost productive somehow that I'm not seeing when using MORE 'thane to make a 'bigger' wheel should cost more due to increased materials? And hell, with fulls, actually/possibly require a new mold (?)?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on June 14, 2023, 02:02:30 PM
keep in mind that team/staff input probably also matters, and dlx is based in the bay area where a lot of their riders in skate rough street spots and bomb hills so that probably has some influence
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 14, 2023, 02:25:13 PM
Honestly I'm sure if Spitfire only had Classics, Radials or Radial Slims just pick one, and Conical Fulls they'd do just fine. Toss in a 4th shape of choice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 14, 2023, 03:10:33 PM
keep in mind that team/staff input probably also matters, and dlx is based in the bay area where a lot of their riders in skate rough street spots and bomb hills so that probably has some influence

I live next to a bay and bought lock in fulls for this exact reason. Brackish water eats the roads and sidewalk faster, lots of grit and salt. The wide riding surface makes for a smoother ride and the f4 thane gives me slide on nicer surfaces
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 14, 2023, 04:45:01 PM
He meant the SF Bay Area, which is home to DLX as well as the GX1000 crew and a billion other skaters that bomb hills and like to skate shittier concrete and pavement.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 14, 2023, 05:40:45 PM
He meant the SF Bay Area, which is home to DLX as well as the GX1000 crew and a billion other skaters that bomb hills and like to skate shittier concrete and pavement.

Yeah, I know. My point is if they get input from dudes working and living locally—and those dudes skate similar styles in similar living conditions—then seems like those wheels would appeal to me. Which they do.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on June 14, 2023, 06:44:46 PM
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spitfire should prioritize classic fulls, og classics and radial slims.
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Lots of us agree with this....and shake our fists at the Radial Full/Lock in Full skies =D

But...sales dictate what they put to market (for the most part...); I'd love to see data on why Lock-In FULLs are an actual thing people want vs. the demand for Classic Fulls. Hell, I'd like to see why Radial Full...fuck it, ALL FULLs vs their normal counterpart seem to take priority...tho I'd wager th e8 of use that want Radial slims is a small demographic ;)

Is it cheaper/more cost productive somehow that I'm not seeing when using MORE 'thane to make a 'bigger' wheel should cost more due to increased materials? And hell, with fulls, actually/possibly require a new mold (?)?

Radial Slims are the only wheel I'd gladly ride in colored variants - the 3 orange + 1 grey or blue + green swirl were sick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 14, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/wc3xd5y/api51ddw7-16019.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wc3xd5y)
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spitfire should prioritize classic fulls, og classics and radial slims.
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Lots of us agree with this....and shake our fists at the Radial Full/Lock in Full skies =D

But...sales dictate what they put to market (for the most part...); I'd love to see data on why Lock-In FULLs are an actual thing people want vs. the demand for Classic Fulls. Hell, I'd like to see why Radial Full...fuck it, ALL FULLs vs their normal counterpart seem to take priority...tho I'd wager th e8 of use that want Radial slims is a small demographic ;)

Is it cheaper/more cost productive somehow that I'm not seeing when using MORE 'thane to make a 'bigger' wheel should cost more due to increased materials? And hell, with fulls, actually/possibly require a new mold (?)?
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Radial Slims are the only wheel I'd gladly ride in colored variants - the 3 orange + 1 grey or blue + green swirl were sick.

Radial Slims had the BEST colorways, all the time. Still pissed I never snagged the green/blk or the black/teal ones.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on June 23, 2023, 12:32:22 AM
Looks like Skate One has dropped the X99's in the same sizes as X97. These things are gonna go. X99 vs F499? Still wishing for a 57-58mm...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 23, 2023, 11:17:01 AM
Looks like Skate One has dropped the X99's in the same sizes as X97. These things are gonna go. X99 vs F499? Still wishing for a 57-58mm...

I’m interested to see how they stack up against F4 99s. I like Bones shapes and speed, but hate the plastic feel of their harder wheels. F4s just feel right
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: europa1991 on June 24, 2023, 09:36:11 AM
What’s the verdict on the new Loophole formula? Worth trying out? My local has a set of the 99a side cuts I was thinking about picking up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2023, 08:48:37 PM
.

I can't recall who asked or when, but I saw this and thought of this thread:




WHAT'S THE GO WITH STONEGROUND?

Stoneground finish is applied to the wheel after it has been poured to remove any lines or residue and give the wheel a worn-in feel so you can take them straight out of the packet and rip. Wheels are poured slightly bigger than their finished profile then ground back to achieve a perfect riding surface. For example, a 58mm wheel is poured at 58.5mm then ground down to 58mm. In our opinion it is the best running surface you can have. 


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 25, 2023, 03:32:41 AM
What’s the verdict on the new Loophole formula? Worth trying out? My local has a set of the 99a side cuts I was thinking about picking up.

I’ve had mine for two weeks or so and there’s still tread on em if that’s any indication :/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on June 25, 2023, 03:51:43 AM
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Looks like Skate One has dropped the X99's in the same sizes as X97. These things are gonna go. X99 vs F499? Still wishing for a 57-58mm...
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I’m interested to see how they stack up against F4 99s. I like Bones shapes and speed, but hate the plastic feel of their harder wheels. F4s just feel right

I feel like these are the SkateOne answer to f4. My X97's feel much more "alive" - similar to F4. They just feel better than any of the other Bones/Powell wheels I've tried in the past.

Keen to hear a review of the X99's!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on June 25, 2023, 06:10:38 PM
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Looks like Skate One has dropped the X99's in the same sizes as X97. These things are gonna go. X99 vs F499? Still wishing for a 57-58mm...
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I’m interested to see how they stack up against F4 99s. I like Bones shapes and speed, but hate the plastic feel of their harder wheels. F4s just feel right
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I feel like these are the SkateOne answer to f4. My X97's feel much more "alive" - similar to F4. They just feel better than any of the other Bones/Powell wheels I've tried in the past.

Keen to hear a review of the X99's!

I like that analogy, they do feel more "alive". Other Bones wheels I've tried just felt like dull, slow plastic. I mean, 84b SPF actually felt good on smooth skatepark, but unskatetable in the asphalt parking lot, you push and just grind to a stop. It was actually funny how bad they were on asphalt.

X97 feels a bit rubbery, but it is lively and really does smooth crust out remarkably well and slides easy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on June 26, 2023, 07:58:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y7B3Qxm.jpeg)

Ghetto Child Muska wheels circa ~2000 unearthed from my parent's house.

Almost tempted to toss a set of bearings in and see how terrible 20+ year old wheels are hah
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on June 26, 2023, 08:08:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y7B3Qxm.jpeg)

Old ass set of wheels unearthed from my parent's house. Ghetto Child Muska???

Almost tempted to toss a set of bearings in and see how terrible 20+ year old wheels are hah
100% those are GC Muska. I remember his pro wheel being 55mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 26, 2023, 11:07:53 AM
I like that analogy, they do feel more "alive". Other Bones wheels I've tried just felt like dull, slow plastic. I mean, 84b SPF actually felt good on smooth skatepark,

Dull, slow, and plasticky are definitely good ways to describes the bones I’ve skated. 100s are probably the best I’ve used and I’d describe them as “tolerable”
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on June 27, 2023, 10:49:44 PM
Bought the new Loopholes today in a classic round shape 54mm. Giving my rolled ankle a few more days to heal, though. Did anyone ever confirm where these are being made now? They don't look like creative urethane. Much more of a bright white dye color, and definitely not natural urethane like NFG.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on June 27, 2023, 10:53:12 PM
Bought the new Loopholes today in a classic round shape 54mm. Giving my rolled ankle a few more days to heal, though. Did anyone ever confirm where these are being made now? They don't look like creative urethane. Much more of a bright white dye color, and definitely not natural urethane like NFG.
i believe they are poured at the acid chemical mfg.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on June 27, 2023, 11:48:28 PM
Spitfire 97s vs. Bones X-Formula 97: opinions, differences, tips?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 28, 2023, 04:06:22 PM
Cross post from the Bones X series thread since I figure it would.be appreciated here too.

Bones X99 first session thoughts:

The air quality here in Pittsburgh is fucked today so didn't exactly skate too hard but these wheels are great. They don't feel like Bones wheels to me which is a huge compliment.

I took a board with F4 Radials 53mm and X99 53mm V5 to the same spot. Smooth concrete the roll is very close to F4 maybe slightly better. Unscientific test 1 push same starting spot, both on Quantum Atoms. X99 rolled maybe about a foot more on average.

Small hill starting at the same spot on rough asphalt no pushing the X99 went way further like 8 feet further.

Lastly rolling wise on the same street I pushed first on F4s about 100 yards down and back. Immediately hopped on the X99s and went "oh shit" . They didn't make the F4s feel awful or super slow but it was VERY noticable how much more speed I carried and had to push less.

Power slides and reverts on smooth ground ever so slightly stickier than F4s but these are brand new so that could change.

Power slides/reverts on rough ground X99 slid better.

Ollies/flip tricks felt the same besides being lighter because thinner wheels. They bounce every so slightly less on throw downs and landings than F4s

Didn't do much grind/slide wise but I didn't stick on 50/50 on a not very waxed bench.  And a few slappy nose slides on a sticky not waxed at all curb slid a few inches. Both felt the same to me there but that's clearly not a lot of grind/slide testing.

Definitely excited to try these at the DIY and a smooth park here soon. First impressions are stellar F4s have some very serious competition I think.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on June 28, 2023, 09:11:02 PM
i would think they arent comparable but fuck it
how do the X99s stand up to X97s?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on June 28, 2023, 11:40:24 PM
Cross post from the Bones X series thread since I figure it would.be appreciated here too.

Bones X99 first session thoughts:

The air quality here in Pittsburgh is fucked today so didn't exactly skate too hard but these wheels are great. They don't feel like Bones wheels to me which is a huge compliment.

I took a board with F4 Radials 53mm and X99 53mm V5 to the same spot. Smooth concrete the roll is very close to F4 maybe slightly better. Unscientific test 1 push same starting spot, both on Quantum Atoms. X99 rolled maybe about a foot more on average.

Small hill starting at the same spot on rough asphalt no pushing the X99 went way further like 8 feet further.

Lastly rolling wise on the same street I pushed first on F4s about 100 yards down and back. Immediately hopped on the X99s and went "oh shit" . They didn't make the F4s feel awful or super slow but it was VERY noticable how much more speed I carried and had to push less.

Power slides and reverts on smooth ground ever so slightly stickier than F4s but these are brand new so that could change.

Power slides/reverts on rough ground X99 slid better.

Ollies/flip tricks felt the same besides being lighter because thinner wheels. They bounce every so slightly less on throw downs and landings than F4s

Didn't do much grind/slide wise but I didn't stick on 50/50 on a not very waxed bench.  And a few slappy nose slides on a sticky not waxed at all curb slid a few inches. Both felt the same to me there but that's clearly not a lot of grind/slide testing.

Definitely excited to try these at the DIY and a smooth park here soon. First impressions are stellar F4s have some very serious competition I think.

Good insight, thanks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on June 28, 2023, 11:41:22 PM
i would think they arent comparable but fuck it
how do the X99s stand up to X97s?

I'm interested in this comparison as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on June 28, 2023, 11:57:39 PM
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i would think they arent comparable but fuck it
how do the X99s stand up to X97s?
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I'm interested in this comparison as well.

My x99 arrive tomorrow, I’ll check back in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on June 29, 2023, 05:52:01 PM
Has anyone tried those Spitfire Sapphires yet? I’m curious if they slide or not. I’m guessing they don’t but it would be pretty rad if they do.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daydream on June 29, 2023, 05:55:55 PM
Wondering the same. And just overall feel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on July 01, 2023, 05:14:30 AM
Finally got around to skating the new 99a loopholes. After the tread wore off and they were nice and broken in, they performed beyond my expectations, for sure. Grippy and controllable where I need them and a nice easy loud chirping powerslide. And I was flying fast as fuck for them only being 54mm.

Honestly, I like these better than the NFG formula. NFG's really turned sluggish and slow on me after awhile, and I noticed the ones I have sitting in my junk box are just horribly aged fraying potatoes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on July 01, 2023, 08:38:18 AM
Spitfire 97s vs. Bones X-Formula 97: opinions, differences, tips?
I have both. I have two setups. I prefer the Bones X97s.

The X97s are faster on rough ground and powerslide better, but they don't feel as fun at a smooth park and I've slipped out a few times on them when I didn't want to slide. They feel like a harder Dragon if you've tried those.

The Spitfire 97s feel like a slightly softer Spitfire 99. I would recommend the Spitfire 97s if you're skating smooth parks and want more grip.

Both wheels will do crooked grinds if you bring wax. Both wheels will have you bringing wax.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on July 01, 2023, 11:45:00 PM
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Spitfire 97s vs. Bones X-Formula 97: opinions, differences, tips?
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I have both. I have two setups. I prefer the Bones X97s.

The X97s are faster on rough ground and powerslide better, but they don't feel as fun at a smooth park and I've slipped out a few times on them when I didn't want to slide. They feel like a harder Dragon if you've tried those.

The Spitfire 97s feel like a slightly softer Spitfire 99. I would recommend the Spitfire 97s if you're skating smooth parks and want more grip.

Both wheels will do crooked grinds if you bring wax. Both wheels will have you bringing wax.

Thank you! Yes, I've skated the Dragons for a while now on rough ground and really like them. But I don't enjoy the stickiness to metal coping on transition. I would imagine the X97s would perform better with metal coping/ledges.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on July 02, 2023, 11:57:50 AM
Got some more time on the Spit 97s. I have to agree, they feel kinda slow, but they smoothen things a little bit. Not sure if that sluggish feel will wear out as the urethane hardens over time. I was skating on quite smooth and a bit crustier asphalt. I often felt like I wanna go faster but the wheels are holding me back. I tried my Super Juices on same flat and they rolled so damn well.  What I liked was the feeling of slightly smoother ride on crusty spots (compared to 99s) and feeling of control when doing powerslides. Not sure if I like the weels or not but first impression is kinda shallow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 02, 2023, 01:43:07 PM
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Spitfire 97s vs. Bones X-Formula 97: opinions, differences, tips?
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I have both. I have two setups. I prefer the Bones X97s.

The X97s are faster on rough ground and powerslide better, but they don't feel as fun at a smooth park and I've slipped out a few times on them when I didn't want to slide. They feel like a harder Dragon if you've tried those.

The Spitfire 97s feel like a slightly softer Spitfire 99. I would recommend the Spitfire 97s if you're skating smooth parks and want more grip.

Both wheels will do crooked grinds if you bring wax. Both wheels will have you bringing wax.
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Thank you! Yes, I've skated the Dragons for a while now on rough ground and really like them. But I don't enjoy the stickiness to metal coping on transition. I would imagine the X97s would perform better with metal coping/ledges.

Dragons>X97>x99

They only work better as they get harder and you lose very little on rough terrain compared to what you gain.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jkadams on July 02, 2023, 04:59:28 PM
spitfire sapphires, my 2 cents: probably not dlx's answer to dragons, or anything like a 90a f4 might be; closer to the old slow/dead soft d's (maybe a little faster/smoother), but pretty much zero slide, so gummy.  i would rate them below ricta cored clouds 92a, oj/slimeballs non-nomad 95a, and sml 92a (and dragons, though they sometimes slide when i don't want them to, and now i can't seem to get a set that doesn't have at least two wobbly wheels).  (caveats: all 56mm; it's about 80f here, and i'm old, tall/heavy, and only skate crusty midwestern streets/spots, no skateparks.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jkadams on July 02, 2023, 05:12:51 PM
@logjammin (or anyone) have you skated the new 99a loopholes on rough streets/spots?  if so, how do they compare to other wheels (fairly typical 99a feeling, or softer/harder feeling)?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on July 02, 2023, 07:07:33 PM
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Spitfire 97s vs. Bones X-Formula 97: opinions, differences, tips?
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I have both. I have two setups. I prefer the Bones X97s.

The X97s are faster on rough ground and powerslide better, but they don't feel as fun at a smooth park and I've slipped out a few times on them when I didn't want to slide. They feel like a harder Dragon if you've tried those.

The Spitfire 97s feel like a slightly softer Spitfire 99. I would recommend the Spitfire 97s if you're skating smooth parks and want more grip.

Both wheels will do crooked grinds if you bring wax. Both wheels will have you bringing wax.
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Thank you! Yes, I've skated the Dragons for a while now on rough ground and really like them. But I don't enjoy the stickiness to metal coping on transition. I would imagine the X97s would perform better with metal coping/ledges.
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Dragons>X97>x99

They only work better as they get harder and you lose very little on rough terrain compared to what you gain.

Do tell! What do you think of the 99's?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 02, 2023, 07:17:53 PM
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I have both. I have two setups. I prefer the Bones X97s.

The X97s are faster on rough ground and powerslide better, but they don't feel as fun at a smooth park and I've slipped out a few times on them when I didn't want to slide. They feel like a harder Dragon if you've tried those.

The Spitfire 97s feel like a slightly softer Spitfire 99. I would recommend the Spitfire 97s if you're skating smooth parks and want more grip.

Both wheels will do crooked grinds if you bring wax. Both wheels will have you bringing wax.
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Thank you! Yes, I've skated the Dragons for a while now on rough ground and really like them. But I don't enjoy the stickiness to metal coping on transition. I would imagine the X97s would perform better with metal coping/ledges.
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Dragons>X97>x99

They only work better as they get harder and you lose very little on rough terrain compared to what you gain.
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Do tell!

The logic of the above statement would indicate dragons <x97<x99 if they work better at a harder durometer. Am I confused?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on July 02, 2023, 07:19:59 PM
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I have both. I have two setups. I prefer the Bones X97s.

The X97s are faster on rough ground and powerslide better, but they don't feel as fun at a smooth park and I've slipped out a few times on them when I didn't want to slide. They feel like a harder Dragon if you've tried those.

The Spitfire 97s feel like a slightly softer Spitfire 99. I would recommend the Spitfire 97s if you're skating smooth parks and want more grip.

Both wheels will do crooked grinds if you bring wax. Both wheels will have you bringing wax.
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Thank you! Yes, I've skated the Dragons for a while now on rough ground and really like them. But I don't enjoy the stickiness to metal coping on transition. I would imagine the X97s would perform better with metal coping/ledges.
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Dragons>X97>x99

They only work better as they get harder and you lose very little on rough terrain compared to what you gain.
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Do tell!
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The logic of the above statement would indicate dragons <x97<x99 if they work better at a harder durometer. Am I confused?

Yes. Would like to hear more about the X99's that he just received and why they he feels they are better. Edited for clarity.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Whicker on July 03, 2023, 08:48:50 AM
My current wheel journey.

F4 classic 99a 53mm
Good at the perfect smooth skatepark and nice asphalt, but I basically have to walk between spots. Anything crusty and they grind to a halt. Considering most of my streets are crust I wanted to try something else.

Ricta cored clouds 54mm 86a.
Ride over all crust and cracks easily, kinda slow on perfect ground though, very bouncy. Wasn't really feeling it and the GF needed new wheels so she rides these now and enjoys them since she barely has to push.

F4 conical full 97a 54mm
Very nice, still slide, handles crust better than the 99a, not as slow as the Ricta, but some spots are still too rough. I could be happy skating these but wish they were a bit better on crust.

Dragon 93a V4 54mm
These were on sale at local shop so I had to jump on them. Wow, destroys crust, spots that I had to constant push through on the 97a Spitfires feel like normal asphalt. Less vibrations. Rough patches that would lurch me forward before are barely noticeable. I'm very impressed. Only one session so far so I am waiting to break them in before sliding. The 97a handle big cracks slightly better but that is probably due to surface area. They are a bit slower on perfect ground but significantly faster on everything else. Even pushing is easier, like there is less resistance. They are quieter, but not silent like Ricta. Nothing more to say other than they are really really good so far. Graphics are lame tho.

I'm not sure if I even need x97 or x99, If these slide as good as 97a spitfire or better then I am probably good. Wish they made them a bit chunkier, I really like the conical full shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on July 03, 2023, 09:05:25 AM
My current wheel journey.

F4 classic 99a 53mm
Good at the perfect smooth skatepark and nice asphalt, but I basically have to walk between spots. Anything crusty and they grind to a halt. Considering most of my streets are crust I wanted to try something else.

Ricta cored clouds 54mm 86a.
Ride over all crust and cracks easily, kinda slow on perfect ground though, very bouncy. Wasn't really feeling it and the GF needed new wheels so she rides these now and enjoys them since she barely has to push.

F4 conical full 97a 54mm
Very nice, still slide, handles crust better than the 99a, not as slow as the Ricta, but some spots are still too rough. I could be happy skating these but wish they were a bit better on crust.

Dragon 93a V4 54mm
These were on sale at local shop so I had to jump on them. Wow, destroys crust, spots that I had to constant push through on the 97a Spitfires feel like normal asphalt. Less vibrations. Rough patches that would lurch me forward before are barely noticeable. I'm very impressed. Only one session so far so I am waiting to break them in before sliding. The 97a handle big cracks slightly better but that is probably due to surface area. They are a bit slower on perfect ground but significantly faster on everything else. Even pushing is easier, like there is less resistance. They are quieter, but not silent like Ricta. Nothing more to say other than they are really really good so far. Graphics are lame tho.

I'm not sure if I even need x97 or x99, If these slide as good as 97a spitfire or better then I am probably good. Wish they made them a bit chunkier, I really like the conical full shape.

Dragons slide really easy. Weirdly I find they slide a bit easier than X97's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 03, 2023, 12:18:01 PM
Can't imagine why anyone would want to skate dragons/x formula on anything but crust, there are much better softer than 101/99a options (spit 97s) for softer wheels on smooth surfaces.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 03, 2023, 02:16:47 PM
spitfire sapphires, my 2 cents: probably not dlx's answer to dragons, or anything like a 90a f4 might be; closer to the old slow/dead soft d's (maybe a little faster/smoother), but pretty much zero slide, so gummy.  i would rate them below ricta cored clouds 92a, oj/slimeballs non-nomad 95a, and sml 92a (and dragons, though they sometimes slide when i don't want them to, and now i can't seem to get a set that doesn't have at least two wobbly wheels).  (caveats: all 56mm; it's about 80f here, and i'm old, tall/heavy, and only skate crusty midwestern streets/spots, no skateparks.)

appreciate the review. how long have you been riding them for? i've been on some 80Hds recently and wasn't digging them until they were really broken in properly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jkadams on July 03, 2023, 05:58:26 PM
@Frank and Fred a few sessions, approx 4 hrs total.  (considering my age and the long winters here, 2-3 sessions spent testing product that doesn't seem promising already feels like a waste.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on July 04, 2023, 12:04:51 AM
Finally got around to skating the new 99a loopholes. After the tread wore off and they were nice and broken in, they performed beyond my expectations, for sure. Grippy and controllable where I need them and a nice easy loud chirping powerslide. And I was flying fast as fuck for them only being 54mm.

Honestly, I like these better than the NFG formula. NFG's really turned sluggish and slow on me after awhile, and I noticed the ones I have sitting in my junk box are just horribly aged fraying potatoes.
interesting 🤔 I love my NFGs the more crusty they get, I should have replaced some teardrops like a board or so ago, but can’t get enough of them! (Guess that’s a good thing in my case since I have 10 sets on ice)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on July 05, 2023, 11:12:01 AM
These 97a 52mm Nano-Cubics from Powell look pretty cool.
They’ve got a fat radius on the edge for rolling up stuff (or for doing weird Andy Anderson Activities) and are offset outwards so the axles don’t poke out.
They’re wide, small, and according to AA they allow for more grind space on the truck due to the offset.
They’re “a harder Dragon Formula”


Also those are some wild lookin trucks…but that’s for another thread.

(https://i.ibb.co/2vX6QZ6/IMG-2901.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/LRv25m9/IMG-2900.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/n8YkWvt/IMG-2902.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/bH3ngfT/IMG-2899.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lamfordie on July 05, 2023, 11:18:51 AM
These 97a 52mm Nano-Cubics from Powell look pretty cool.
They’ve got a fat radius on the edge for rolling up stuff (or for doing weird Andy Anderson Activities) and are offset outwards so the axles don’t poke out.
They’re wide, small, and according to AA they allow for more grind space on the truck due to the offset.
They’re “a harder Dragon Formula”


Also those are some wild lookin trucks…but that’s for another thread.

(https://i.ibb.co/2vX6QZ6/IMG-2901.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/LRv25m9/IMG-2900.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/n8YkWvt/IMG-2902.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/bH3ngfT/IMG-2899.jpg)


https://youtu.be/a4ms0L_J_Bg

Here's the video of && taking about it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tom on July 05, 2023, 02:54:23 PM
I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on July 05, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen

Looks like they are machined, probably samples testing certain geo?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ejazzle on July 05, 2023, 03:13:13 PM
I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen

They looks like something my nephew would make in Minecraft. What are they?

One word comes to mind when I look at those wheels, heavy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Zyth on July 05, 2023, 03:23:30 PM
I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen
definitely prototypes it would be cool if they was american made powell trucks tho instead of the china mini logo stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on July 05, 2023, 03:28:10 PM
I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen

Tesla cyber-truck
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on July 05, 2023, 03:28:35 PM
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definitely prototypes it would be cool if they was american made powell trucks tho instead of the china mini logo stuff
Powell was literally the first company to move production to China and they did it in the 80s. There's footage of that move in Ban This along with the only footy of George skating that I know of. There is no chance of this happening.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2023, 04:41:43 PM
These 97a 52mm Nano-Cubics from Powell look pretty cool.
They’ve got a fat radius on the edge for rolling up stuff (or for doing weird Andy Anderson Activities) and are offset outwards so the axles don’t poke out.
They’re wide, small, and according to AA they allow for more grind space on the truck due to the offset.
They’re “a harder Dragon Formula”


Also those are some wild lookin trucks…but that’s for another thread.

(https://i.ibb.co/2vX6QZ6/IMG-2901.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/LRv25m9/IMG-2900.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/n8YkWvt/IMG-2902.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/bH3ngfT/IMG-2899.jpg)

Damn I just realized I have two protoype sets of these from maybe March from the powell rep. Haven't set them up yet and they've been sitting in my room but looking at them now I'm pretty sure they're these wheels. You can see the offset in the last two pics, looks kinda crazy.

Been trying to not tinker with my shit so want to kill my current set of lock in full f4s before putting anything else on so might be a while before I try these.

Actually upon second glance it looks slightlyyyy different, mine dont seem to have that sidecut on the outside side of the wheels. So maybe it was a slightly earlier iteration, looks close enough though

(https://i.imgur.com/1auf6DE.jpg)
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 05, 2023, 06:34:25 PM
Those are def the same wheel shape (even if slightly different)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on July 05, 2023, 07:01:51 PM
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These 97a 52mm Nano-Cubics from Powell look pretty cool.
They’ve got a fat radius on the edge for rolling up stuff (or for doing weird Andy Anderson Activities) and are offset outwards so the axles don’t poke out.
They’re wide, small, and according to AA they allow for more grind space on the truck due to the offset.
They’re “a harder Dragon Formula”


Also those are some wild lookin trucks…but that’s for another thread.

(https://i.ibb.co/2vX6QZ6/IMG-2901.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/LRv25m9/IMG-2900.jpg)

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Damn I just realized I have two protoype sets of these from maybe March from the powell rep. Haven't set them up yet and they've been sitting in my room but looking at them now I'm pretty sure they're these wheels. You can see the offset in the last two pics, looks kinda crazy.

Been trying to not tinker with my shit so want to kill my current set of lock in full f4s before putting anything else on so might be a while before I try these.

Actually upon second glance it looks slightlyyyy different, mine dont seem to have that sidecut on the outside side of the wheels. So maybe it was a slightly earlier iteration, looks close enough though

(https://i.imgur.com/1auf6DE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4XrVzAH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/H5W1Xwu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WdeAJBh.jpg)

powell experimental graphic is hot.


the aa setup made me recoil a bit. even if that imbued magical abilities, i just don’t see that setup being worth it. i mean fuck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on July 05, 2023, 08:07:43 PM
I’ve always thought the Powell experimental graphic looked cool.

Those new mini logos look horrible anyway.


Any idea where TGM gets their made in USA swirl blank wheels from? I really like them, and while I can keep buying them for cheap, I’d like to know what brands may have the same ones

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboards-longboard/skateboards/wheels/?_bc_fsnf=1&brand=252&page=2


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-RoAAOSwEzRjs1Ae/s-l1600.gif)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on July 06, 2023, 02:18:54 AM
Trucks looks anime robot beefy, but I assume that’s not the final form.

What I am interested in is the amount of kingpin clearance, and what kind of kingpin they’re using
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on July 06, 2023, 04:22:48 AM
I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen
+ 1 but check that grind clearance
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on July 06, 2023, 08:40:33 AM
Trucks looks anime robot beefy, but I assume that’s not the final form.

What I am interested in is the amount of kingpin clearance, and what kind of kingpin they’re using



(https://i.ibb.co/7jGcQCW/IMG-2908.jpg) (https://ibb.co/340XvdN)

Here’s a shot of the kingpin.
Hollow inverted. The top looks kind of flat in the other photos.

Also with that offset wheel the edge of the inner bearing is pretty close  the inner edge of the wheel.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on July 08, 2023, 09:13:15 AM
will i ruin my OJ Mini Super Juice wheels if I do slappys with them ?
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Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on July 08, 2023, 09:25:35 AM
will i ruin my OJ Mini Super Juice wheels if I do slappys with them ?

You could definitely take some chunks out of them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on July 08, 2023, 09:40:52 AM
Anyone use Dragons as cruiser wheels? I feel they could do the trick as they slide pretty great on rough asphalt. Got a spare set of 56mm Dragons, was thinking of getting Mini Super Juices but they won't powerslide one bit methinks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on July 08, 2023, 09:47:01 AM
Anyone use Dragons as cruiser wheels? I feel they could do the trick as they slide pretty great on rough asphalt. Got a spare set of 56mm Dragons, was thinking of getting Mini Super Juices but they won't powerslide one bit methinks.
I keep using my girlfriends setup with 52mm dragons when I quickly gotta go shopping. It's amazing how such small and not supersoft wheels are so great for rolling around. Don't know about longer distances though, I'm sure I'd prefer bigger softer wheels. But since you already have them, use them for sure.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 08, 2023, 12:17:03 PM
I have some dragonesque wheels on my zip zinger….they are amazing.  I actually don’t like massive wheels where you need risers. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on July 09, 2023, 09:32:19 AM
Yeah I can’t stop riding my dragons. With school out for summer, I’ve been skating to a school nearby a lot and I just cruise over this horrific road. Then they perform great on the new, smooth asphalt at the school.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on July 09, 2023, 11:02:28 AM
Yah, if there’s some point a to b action, they are great wheels…..but if you walk from the trunk to the skatepark… maybe not the wheel for ya…..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on July 10, 2023, 06:53:03 AM
I should have got the spitfire 80 HD chargers instead. i bet those can handle a few slaps. I am just going to baby these OJs and maybe see if i can get my hands on the chargers heh...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daydream on July 10, 2023, 07:06:21 AM
I should have got the spitfire 80 HD chargers instead. i bet those can handle a few slaps. I am just going to baby these OJs and maybe see if i can get my hands on the chargers heh...
instead of what? chargers would chunk I feel.. maybe those sapphires but even still, not ideal.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on July 10, 2023, 07:17:36 AM
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instead of what? chargers would chunk I feel.. maybe those sapphires but even still, not ideal.

will i ruin my OJ Mini Super Juice wheels if I do slappys with them ?

few posts up dude, c'mon
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daydream on July 10, 2023, 09:12:51 AM
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I should have got the spitfire 80 HD chargers instead. i bet those can handle a few slaps. I am just going to baby these OJs and maybe see if i can get my hands on the chargers heh...
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few posts up dude, c'mon
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on July 11, 2023, 03:44:24 AM
I’ve always thought the Powell experimental graphic looked cool.

Those new mini logos look horrible anyway.


Any idea where TGM gets their made in USA swirl blank wheels from? I really like them, and while I can keep buying them for cheap, I’d like to know what brands may have the same ones

https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboards-longboard/skateboards/wheels/?_bc_fsnf=1&brand=252&page=2

Yep - I'm sure I've read here that they are poured by Creative...

Good value for sure and I've always had a thing for swirled wheels


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-RoAAOSwEzRjs1Ae/s-l1600.gif)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ridethegutter on July 11, 2023, 03:55:32 AM
Everything about andy anderson is fucking hideous.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ambiguousclarity on July 11, 2023, 05:42:25 AM
Anyone use Dragons as cruiser wheels? I feel they could do the trick as they slide pretty great on rough asphalt. Got a spare set of 56mm Dragons, was thinking of getting Mini Super Juices but they won't powerslide one bit methinks.

I've used 54mm 93 dragons on my commuter for a 6km journey to and form work. I'd also skated the park near my office at lunch most days. Lasted a couple of months at most. I switched to them from mini super juices. Have replaced them with 95 x formula which are comparable and hopefully last longer.I wanted a wheel that didn't feel like a soft wheel when skating the park at lunch but that was soft enough for the commute. Both are fine for the distance I'm skating. Mind you, half of the paths are reasonably smooth.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on July 11, 2023, 10:49:33 AM
Just stopping in to say any Loophole fans should definitely try out their new formula. Yeah they're not natural colored urethane anymore, but these are seriously amazing wheels. 99a chirps louder than any wheel I've ever skated, powerslides are controllable and consistent and no slipouts or close calls like spits, and they're fast as fuck. I like them better than formula fours.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on July 11, 2023, 12:41:06 PM
Just stopping in to say any Loophole fans should definitely try out their new formula. Yeah they're not natural colored urethane anymore, but these are seriously amazing wheels. 99a chirps louder than any wheel I've ever skated, powerslides are controllable and consistent and no slipouts or close calls like spits, and they're fast as fuck. I like them better than formula fours.

I got some Frankie heck formula 4s I’m about done with that I was using until they figured out what they were gonna do, glad to hear someone likes the new wheels, definitely gonna give them a shot next set I get
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on July 11, 2023, 02:40:39 PM
Just stopping in to say any Loophole fans should definitely try out their new formula. Yeah they're not natural colored urethane anymore, but these are seriously amazing wheels. 99a chirps louder than any wheel I've ever skated, powerslides are controllable and consistent and no slipouts or close calls like spits, and they're fast as fuck. I like them better than formula fours.

Sounds like confirmation that they are poured by Acid. The loudness being the tell. Excited to try them- I've been wanting to try Acid wheels for awhile but their distribution isn't great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on July 11, 2023, 03:20:08 PM
I wanna try acid but I never know how they are or what the REM etc formulas do or shapes. So I just stick to F4. But those new loopholes sound pretty damn good
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lulz on July 11, 2023, 06:05:22 PM
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I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen
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definitely prototypes it would be cool if they was american made powell trucks tho instead of the china mini logo stuff
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Powell was literally the first company to move production to China and they did it in the 80s. There's footage of that move in Ban This along with the only footy of George skating that I know of. There is no chance of this happening.

Can we get a minute marker for these events, please?
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on July 12, 2023, 12:51:44 AM
I wanna try acid but I never know how they are or what the REM etc formulas do or shapes. So I just stick to F4. But those new loopholes sound pretty damn good
I imagined the whole thing like an acid tablet next to you on a table and an F4 in your mouth.
I'm chuckling by myself in here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on July 12, 2023, 08:36:20 AM
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Just stopping in to say any Loophole fans should definitely try out their new formula. Yeah they're not natural colored urethane anymore, but these are seriously amazing wheels. 99a chirps louder than any wheel I've ever skated, powerslides are controllable and consistent and no slipouts or close calls like spits, and they're fast as fuck. I like them better than formula fours.
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Sounds like confirmation that they are poured by Acid. The loudness being the tell. Excited to try them- I've been wanting to try Acid wheels for awhile but their distribution isn't great.

Has anyone messed with their 101A?  wonder if they flatspot super bad
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Buster_Poosey on July 12, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
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Just stopping in to say any Loophole fans should definitely try out their new formula. Yeah they're not natural colored urethane anymore, but these are seriously amazing wheels. 99a chirps louder than any wheel I've ever skated, powerslides are controllable and consistent and no slipouts or close calls like spits, and they're fast as fuck. I like them better than formula fours.
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Sounds like confirmation that they are poured by Acid. The loudness being the tell. Excited to try them- I've been wanting to try Acid wheels for awhile but their distribution isn't great.
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Has anyone messed with their 101A?  wonder if they flatspot super bad

The 101A is legit, they don’t flatspot and are loud as hell. I’m stoked people are becoming aware how good the wheels are. They are seriously the best wheels out, especially at the price. I think people let the cool guy image of the logo and team of spitfire, and even OJ, get in the way of showing any willingness to try or even acknowledge that something else is available and might even be better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jakeumms on July 12, 2023, 10:19:51 AM
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I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen
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definitely prototypes it would be cool if they was american made powell trucks tho instead of the china mini logo stuff
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Powell was literally the first company to move production to China and they did it in the 80s. There's footage of that move in Ban This along with the only footy of George skating that I know of. There is no chance of this happening.

Can we get a minute marker for these events, please?
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Sorry got the video wrong. It's in Public Domain right before the Doug Smith TJ section.

Set-up at 5:10 (caution longboard territory)
Skating at 12:55
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lulz on July 12, 2023, 09:28:34 PM
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I know this is the wheels thread, but those are the worst trucks I've ever seen
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definitely prototypes it would be cool if they was american made powell trucks tho instead of the china mini logo stuff
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Powell was literally the first company to move production to China and they did it in the 80s. There's footage of that move in Ban This along with the only footy of George skating that I know of. There is no chance of this happening.

Can we get a minute marker for these events, please?
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Sorry got the video wrong. It's in Public Domain right before the Doug Smith TJ section.

Set-up at 5:10 (caution longboard territory)
Skating at 12:55

Excellent! Thank you for the clarification. :)
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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on July 12, 2023, 10:32:09 PM
Tried my set of sample andy anderson nano cubics today. They're cool, probably not gamechanging if you're not doing weird freestyle stuff though.

The bearing set offset is crazy it makes your trucks like a full size bigger. My thunder 149s looked like 151s. Great for cross pinching on round bars and chunky ledges, but honestly felt like too much truck room for a lot of tricks. You could probably down size your truck an entire size and then it would line up perfectly. I also wonder if the bearing seat offset would maybe put more stress on your bearings somehow.... hopefully not idk

Shape is nice, classic outside makes climbing onto hard slappies maybe a lil easier and inside locks well but I don't think its gamechanging at all.

97a formula is good its a harder dragon. But they seem to be a bit grippier when new, I think it will slowly wear in over the first few sessions or so but thats kind of annoying out the gate. Definitely still drag on grinds and slides compared to f4s, especially on metal and some other surfaces. Was doing some blunt/noseblunt tricks on this one box, and I had to keep waxing it every couple tries but it was going perfectly on my friends setup with f4s without nearly as much wax.

Still doesn't feel anything like a formula four which is the most satisfying sounding and feeling wheel to me, as long as the ground is decent.

I already have another setup with dragons on it for when I'm tired/sore and want to push less/have a smoother ride. In those cases I might as well just run 93s instead of this 97 middle ground. And f4s on my main setup which to me feels and sounds like a 'real skateboard'.

I can see some people being really hyped on these. But the part of me that cares about aesthetics just cant deal with them so I've listed them in the classifieds section if any of you are interested lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 14, 2023, 11:12:22 AM
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Just stopping in to say any Loophole fans should definitely try out their new formula. Yeah they're not natural colored urethane anymore, but these are seriously amazing wheels. 99a chirps louder than any wheel I've ever skated, powerslides are controllable and consistent and no slipouts or close calls like spits, and they're fast as fuck. I like them better than formula fours.
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Sounds like confirmation that they are poured by Acid. The loudness being the tell. Excited to try them- I've been wanting to try Acid wheels for awhile but their distribution isn't great.
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Has anyone messed with their 101A?  wonder if they flatspot super bad
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The 101A is legit, they don’t flatspot and are loud as hell. I’m stoked people are becoming aware how good the wheels are. They are seriously the best wheels out, especially at the price. I think people let the cool guy image of the logo and team of spitfire, and even OJ, get in the way of showing any willingness to try or even acknowledge that something else is available and might even be better.

It's slap, if it's not an 'in' brand, it's shit, no matter how good the product is.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 14, 2023, 11:25:16 AM
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Just stopping in to say any Loophole fans should definitely try out their new formula. Yeah they're not natural colored urethane anymore, but these are seriously amazing wheels. 99a chirps louder than any wheel I've ever skated, powerslides are controllable and consistent and no slipouts or close calls like spits, and they're fast as fuck. I like them better than formula fours.
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Sounds like confirmation that they are poured by Acid. The loudness being the tell. Excited to try them- I've been wanting to try Acid wheels for awhile but their distribution isn't great.
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Has anyone messed with their 101A?  wonder if they flatspot super bad

I know a bunch of people that have tried Acid and they were fine with them, but preferred their normal Spitfire/Bones. The loudness is really annoying in real life.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: MC3 on July 16, 2023, 10:06:06 PM
IF anyone from spitfire is reading this, If you sold an all orange F4 Conical Full in any size between 54-58, I'll buy about 10 sets of them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: downtodevin on July 21, 2023, 10:39:18 AM
Size and Shape of wheel or Durometer of wheel, what do you think is more important for skating crust?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on July 21, 2023, 11:02:59 AM
Size and Shape of wheel or Durometer of wheel, what do you think is more important for skating crust?

It's all a sliding scale, but comparing reasonably similar sizes, I'd say durometer hands down. My youngest daughter has an Enjoi complete with super soft 52mm classic shapes, it's way smoother on my front street than my 56mm conical fulls or 58mm OG Classics. My older daughter has 54mm V1 Dragons, also waaay smoother than the big 99a's. My Bones X97's are smaller and narrower than both spits, but much smoother, again, thanks to durometer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on July 21, 2023, 11:11:56 AM
Size and Shape of wheel or Durometer of wheel, what do you think is more important for skating crust?

Duro for sure...followed by rebound (overall urethane quality).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on July 21, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
I've found I enjoy my F4 53 Radials more than my X99 Bones V5 53mm because they feel about the same speed on the rough asphalt I skate and I prefer the F4 on other surfaces I skate so it really depends on what your crust is and how much of your skating it is. If I lived in a rural area or only skated crust then duro and shape could be tied.

I think the reason I notice a difference in the 2 wheels above and preferring the harder/wider one is that the V5 is similar to a Classic shape and the Radial has an almost 5mm/133% bigger contact patch. The duros are not as different as if I were comparing a Dragon to the Radials and then I would imagine the Dragon would be noticeably faster.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Whicker on July 21, 2023, 12:29:04 PM
Size and Shape of wheel or Durometer of wheel, what do you think is more important for skating crust?

The majority of what I skate is crust. Having skated f4 99a, f4 97a, clouds 86a, and dragons 93a, all 54mm ish but slightly different shapes. Durometer is the most noticeable, size helps with cracks and rocks though.

There is a small crusty hill I bomb near my house with a digital speed display for cars going too fast. It actually picks up my speed and the dragon wheels were 3km/h faster then the f4 97a lol. Haven't tried the clouds or 99a on it. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Twig88 on July 21, 2023, 02:00:56 PM
Probably a super overdone question but Dragons VS 92A Clouds? I'm looking for something that I can mostly skate fairly rough streets on, but occasionally skate in the park... I've had a couple of sets of 92A Clouds before, I like them but if Dragons are as miraculous as the reviews I feel like I should make the switch...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on July 21, 2023, 02:10:13 PM
Probably a super overdone question but Dragons VS 92A Clouds? I'm looking for something that I can mostly skate fairly rough streets on, but occasionally skate in the park... I've had a couple of sets of 92A Clouds before, I like them but if Dragons are as miraculous as the reviews I feel like I should make the switch...

I've never skated clouds, but Dragons would be perfect for your use case. Dragons work great in the park. Compared to 99a they grab metal a bit, are weirdly quiet, and a touch slower in transition, but they still work really well and won't hold you back. That they slide really easy is their big party trick, power slides and reverts etc, that's where they're way better than other's softer wheels.

Two of the most impressive transition skaters I've seen at my local this year were on Dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on July 21, 2023, 02:36:20 PM
Probably a super overdone question but Dragons VS 92A Clouds? I'm looking for something that I can mostly skate fairly rough streets on, but occasionally skate in the park... I've had a couple of sets of 92A Clouds before, I like them but if Dragons are as miraculous as the reviews I feel like I should make the switch...

Skated em both. Cloud are definitely more well cloudlike for cruising.  Dragons are definitely cruisable and will work WAY better in the park vs Clouds
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on July 22, 2023, 01:08:04 AM
It's funny how for once something really lives up to its hype. Dragons are amazingly versatile wheels for pretty much anything that is not smooth concrete, as e.g. explained above. My local park has a lot of rough-ish asphalt, and I was powersliding my Dragons there the other day. A random gentleman came up to me and asked what wheels as I was using and was blown away by the fact I had 93s. He said he thought I was on 101s or something as my powerslides seemed impressive to him.

That said, a noticeable downside (yes, nothing is perfect) to Dragons is the stickiness to metal coping.

But as for e.g. Bones X97s vs. Dragons, for me the latter take the win hands down, there's really no contest.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 01, 2023, 01:25:50 PM
Is anybody here still riding 103a bones stf? I don't know where that's coming from but I'm somehow really in the mood to skate super hard wheels again. They obviously suck on skatelite and similar surfaces, but how bad is it really?
I don't want to have more than one setup, so if they're absolutely unrideable on skatelite I'd have to pass.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on August 01, 2023, 06:03:24 PM
I’m REALLY leaning towards a set of Dragons for my neighborhood cruiser/curb spot board. Thanks for all the input on them! Prob not the green joints tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 02, 2023, 01:24:54 AM
I’m REALLY leaning towards a set of Dragons for my neighborhood cruiser/curb spot board. Thanks for all the input on them! Prob not the green joints tho.

Pretty sure you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 144p on August 03, 2023, 03:05:28 PM
I set up the nano cubics as the hype online and at my shop was next level so i wanted some perspective,
I have skated dragons extensively on all terrains and love them on the streets but at the parks they are just too slow/soft sounding. These sound closer to 99a wheels and still give me the same slide along with not feeling as slow as normal 52mm wheels. For reference i prefer the speed of 54-56 but they often feel heavy for flip tricks for my old legs.
I really like the edge of the wheels being out farther and protecting the nuts/axles.
I've been on them a few days and they feel great and I plan to keep skating them.
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on August 04, 2023, 07:59:40 AM
my friend gave me some dragons where 1 wheel is significantly larger than the others... i can probably just set it up on the front right wheel and it should even out eventually... but wondering if anyone has any other suggestions on how i would equal it out? i dont really have any power tools besides a drill.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on August 04, 2023, 09:10:00 AM
Put the larger wheel on your back heel for better lock-in on smith grinds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on August 04, 2023, 09:34:25 AM
my friend gave me some dragons where 1 wheel is significantly larger than the others... i can probably just set it up on the front right wheel and it should even out eventually... but wondering if anyone has any other suggestions on how i would equal it out? i dont really have any power tools besides a drill.

I'd say put it on your back toe side and find a hill, then just fs powerslide until it wears down
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on August 04, 2023, 10:44:56 AM
Let's say a person was skating their new (but broken in) F4 99a Radials, slipped out in the bowl and slammed HARD, is now spooked, and is looking for something really grippy that still carries speed, in 55 to 57mm range, what would Pals recommend?

This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on August 04, 2023, 12:10:31 PM
Let's say a person was skating their new (but broken in) F4 99a Radials, slipped out in the bowl and slammed HARD, is now spooked, and is looking for something really grippy that still carries speed, in 55 to 57mm range, what would Pals recommend?

This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!

I was a long time Speedlab rider for the same reason. The 57mm Bombshells were my favorite. They’re fast and grip well.

I’ve only briefly ridden the x97s on somebody else’s board, but they gripped well. They still have that soft feeling like dragons, but I think they’re fine for bowl riding
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: schralp pal on August 04, 2023, 12:26:26 PM
Let's say a person was skating their new (but broken in) F4 99a Radials, slipped out in the bowl and slammed HARD, is now spooked, and is looking for something really grippy that still carries speed, in 55 to 57mm range, what would Pals recommend?

This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!

Cherrys
Smokebombs 56mm 99s
Felt softer than 99 and performed well on smooth concrete
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on August 04, 2023, 01:13:41 PM
Let's say a person was skating their new (but broken in) F4 99a Radials, slipped out in the bowl and slammed HARD, is now spooked, and is looking for something really grippy that still carries speed, in 55 to 57mm range, what would Pals recommend?

This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!

X97s could be what you're looking for. They make a 56mm conical full shape, I think it's called V6.

A couple vert dudes I know have been swearing by the X99s for slippery vert ramps and bowls too. Think they make a 56mm V6 in that too.

It's weird, I've got a set of both formulas and it seems like the X97s slide easier than the X99s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on August 04, 2023, 02:35:38 PM
Let's say a person was skating their new (but broken in) F4 99a Radials, slipped out in the bowl and slammed HARD, is now spooked, and is looking for something really grippy that still carries speed, in 55 to 57mm range, what would Pals recommend?

This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!

Sam, Sam, Sam. I know we aren’t the same person, but seriously. Did you just take my story?
I used to slam from slipping out in plywood ramps and bowls on Spit Radial F499A. Check my damn post history.
It’s uncanny.

I got on 56mm X97 V6, and so far, I really, really like them. They’re grippy enough on the plywood as I wanted. They don’t seem to collect dust like my SPFs. They take me to the indoor on shittier and nicer asphalt, and the worst kind of cobbled cement stones.
On the relatively nice concrete between the ramps and banks of the indoor they roll too silent, but I’ll take cause I can still slide whenever.

If you wanna save a buck I know OJ Elite Hardlines come in 56mm 99a, and they are a somewhat grippier 99 than F4s. It’s a good wide Conical full shape.

F4s can’t be a 99a if the spitfire Classic formula is 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on August 04, 2023, 03:01:33 PM
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This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!
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Cherrys
Smokebombs 56mm 99s
Felt softer than 99 and performed well on smooth concrete

someone refresh my memory - cherrys are poured by acid or am i getting that wrong?

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Felt like changing something so I got some cherries 99 56mm classic shape.

F4s are pretty much the feeling of skateboarding to me, but these feel great enough to skate them down and get my moneys worth. Nice creamy color, feel softer than 99 f4s but they slide without too much effort.  not sure who pours them says made in USA
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Man I really want to try some cherries. I’m curious but most seem to be 101 but I was curious about the slide on the 99 they have. I thought I read they was poured in TX. I could be wrong.
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Poured out of aend industries in hutto Texas
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on August 04, 2023, 05:15:03 PM
Thanks all!

And @Creachteach,  yeah, I'd say we definitely share the same taste in setups!

I wouldn't have thought 4mm of contact per wheel would make much difference but dang, those Radials seemed much slicker than my conical fulls. I'm most definitely also being a big pansy bit holy moly I slammed hard, completely knocked the wind out of myself, pulled my neck, lower back hurts, right hip still hurts, took a bunch of skin off my elbow, laying in the bottom of the bowl groaning... really don't want to do that again.

Unfortunately my locals are all sold out of 97a F4's but they do have X97's. No speedlab dealers locally but really intrigued by the Bombshells. Was also looking at 99a F4 Radial fulls or Lock in fulls or just another set of conical fulls,  but kind of want to try something new.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on August 04, 2023, 05:32:39 PM
Hard and grippy is SML OG formula all day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 04, 2023, 06:07:42 PM
I set up the nano cubics as the hype online and at my shop was next level so i wanted some perspective,
I have skated dragons extensively on all terrains and love them on the streets but at the parks they are just too slow/soft sounding. These sound closer to 99a wheels and still give me the same slide along with not feeling as slow as normal 52mm wheels. For reference i prefer the speed of 54-56 but they often feel heavy for flip tricks for my old legs.
I really like the edge of the wheels being out farther and protecting the nuts/axles.
I've been on them a few days and they feel great and I plan to keep skating them.
 



I just set up some Spitfire Radial Full 97 duro 54 mm wheels - also have the 97 duro Classic 56 mm and Conical Full 54 mm size / shape wheels - mainly for a slippery new park in my area, so although they are almost silent on new bearings as well, they don't feel particularly slow and still do everything I would usually do on the normal 99 duro F4 wheels.

Curious if you had tried any F4 97 duro wheels in any shape / size and how they compare to those ones you have, especially these Radial Full 54 mm wheels which are symmetrical, but still cover the nuts just nicely.  Might be a little too much inside as I can see they reduce the hanger width considerably though.


When I tried them on a very slippery wood / skatelite type surface, they held up well too, but I can understand not everyone would find them to their tastes.

Thinking that would be good info for @Samsquantch and @Creachteach too.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 04, 2023, 07:06:11 PM
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To add to that, this is worth a look, even if most of you have already posted there or seen it:


Bones X formula thread

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123816.150



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I have both, and for me, the spits just feel  soft and a bit gummy. Like a basic 97a without any kind of other benefit.

X97 feel ‘lively’. To me they feel way faster (I think others have tested this), slide better, and just all round feel better.

The only downside to them (I’ve been told) is when they rub on unwaxed metal- the consensus is they are stickier.

But I don’t, and I really enjoy them.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 05, 2023, 12:04:00 AM


I was a long time Speedlab rider for the same reason. The 57mm Bombshells were my favorite. They’re fast and grip well.

I’ve only briefly ridden the x97s on somebody else’s board, but they gripped well. They still have that soft feeling like dragons, but I think they’re fine for bowl riding

The X97s don't feel moderately as soft as Dragons. They def have more of a hard wheel feel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 05, 2023, 12:08:13 AM
Oh, and someone mentioned OJ Elite Hardline 99 – I second them being pretty awesome on plywood / slippery indoors as they do grip more than F4 99s but are still fast as. One of my favorite wheels for bowl riding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BALARGUE on August 05, 2023, 02:33:45 AM
Have the Powell Nanocubics been discussed here ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4ms0L_J_Bg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4ms0L_J_Bg)

It was painful to watch the whole thing. It looks like Powell acknowledged the wide wheels trend and pushed it a little further and has a solution for these wide wheels making your hanger so tiny (radial full are too big for me).
With a new 97A Dragon formula.

Any feedback ?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Steely Daniel on August 05, 2023, 03:40:44 AM
I'm not fully sold on them. I'm certainly not trying to do coconut wheelies and don't want to skate anything below 54 mm. Plus you gotta ride em graphics out to utilize them properly from my understanding quickly skimming through that video. That being said at least it's just blue text and not some corny green dragon. And I did skate them for like 30 seconds on my friends board the other day and they felt okay but didn't do enough with them to form a proper opinion. Yet here am I still posting it... What  a bunch of wasted text
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 05, 2023, 07:16:29 AM
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Let's say a person was skating their new (but broken in) F4 99a Radials, slipped out in the bowl and slammed HARD, is now spooked, and is looking for something really grippy that still carries speed, in 55 to 57mm range, what would Pals recommend?

This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!
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Cherrys
Smokebombs 56mm 99s
Felt softer than 99 and performed well on smooth concrete
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someone refresh my memory - cherrys are poured by acid or am i getting that wrong?

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Felt like changing something so I got some cherries 99 56mm classic shape.

F4s are pretty much the feeling of skateboarding to me, but these feel great enough to skate them down and get my moneys worth. Nice creamy color, feel softer than 99 f4s but they slide without too much effort.  not sure who pours them says made in USA
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Man I really want to try some cherries. I’m curious but most seem to be 101 but I was curious about the slide on the 99 they have. I thought I read they was poured in TX. I could be wrong.
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Poured out of aend industries in hutto Texas
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I assume! I asked the cherries insta and they kinda danced around telling me. They said it was the same people that make autobahn, hazard, snot and some other bs, and then when I asked if it aend they just didn’t reply, so I assume it’s the same scooter wheel factory in hutto
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Post by: iw0 on August 05, 2023, 10:46:46 AM
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Let's say a person was skating their new (but broken in) F4 99a Radials, slipped out in the bowl and slammed HARD, is now spooked, and is looking for something really grippy that still carries speed, in 55 to 57mm range, what would Pals recommend?

This person isn't super keen on SPF's, too hard outside of the park, or Dragons,  too soft and boring in the park.

Speedlabs? X97's? Bones shapes all have super narrow contact patches. Need GRIP!
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Cherrys
Smokebombs 56mm 99s
Felt softer than 99 and performed well on smooth concrete
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someone refresh my memory - cherrys are poured by acid or am i getting that wrong?

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Felt like changing something so I got some cherries 99 56mm classic shape.

F4s are pretty much the feeling of skateboarding to me, but these feel great enough to skate them down and get my moneys worth. Nice creamy color, feel softer than 99 f4s but they slide without too much effort.  not sure who pours them says made in USA
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Man I really want to try some cherries. I’m curious but most seem to be 101 but I was curious about the slide on the 99 they have. I thought I read they was poured in TX. I could be wrong.
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Poured out of aend industries in hutto Texas
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I assume! I asked the cherries insta and they kinda danced around telling me. They said it was the same people that make autobahn, hazard, snot and some other bs, and then when I asked if it aend they just didn’t reply, so I assume it’s the same scooter wheel factory in hutto

ah bless, thank you for doing the legwork on that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on August 05, 2023, 04:56:01 PM
After much deliberation, went in a bit of a different direction...

I really like my F4 56mm Conical fulls,  and I've never had them slip out, so I went down to the local and grabbed spitfires widest wheels: 57mm lock in full. These things are beastly hunks of urethane, should be decent.

(https://i.ibb.co/5TbnX2N/20230805-174802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5TbnX2N)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 05, 2023, 08:39:05 PM
After much deliberation, went in a bit of a different direction...

I really like my F4 56mm Conical fulls,  and I've never had them slip out, so I went down to the local and grabbed spitfires widest wheels: 57mm lock in full. These things are beastly hunks of urethane, should be decent.

(https://i.ibb.co/5TbnX2N/20230805-174802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5TbnX2N)


Going the full 40+ mm width wheels just works so well on wider trucks too.

I got the Radial Full 58 mm (which went to someone else) but then have the 54 mm on 149s and they just look a little big for the width of the truck and board, so I am thinking they will go on at least 159s or more likely 169s on something like your current setup.

Those Lock In Fulls really do look good and well sized on that setup!!!


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on August 05, 2023, 08:50:39 PM
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After much deliberation, went in a bit of a different direction...

I really like my F4 56mm Conical fulls,  and I've never had them slip out, so I went down to the local and grabbed spitfires widest wheels: 57mm lock in full. These things are beastly hunks of urethane, should be decent.

(https://i.ibb.co/5TbnX2N/20230805-174802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5TbnX2N)
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Going the full 40+ mm width wheels just works so well on wider trucks too.

I got the Radial Full 58 mm (which went to someone else) but then have the 54 mm on 149s and they just look a little big for the width of the truck and board, so I am thinking they will go on at least 159s or more likely 169s on something like your current setup.

Those Lock In Fulls really do look good and well sized on that setup!!!

Thanks! I agree, love the look of this setup, the Radials weren't doing it for me.

Messing around on the front street and these things feel fantastic, I've never had more predictable powerslides. Board didn't feel like a total hog either, still ollied nice.

Headed to the park tomorrow morning. Be taking it easy though, back is still a bit buggered from slamming. 

Picked up some rails too

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on August 06, 2023, 09:02:36 AM
I joined the old man club and impulsively bought some 58mm dragons. Skated them for the first time at Marginal Way and I was pretty impressed with them. They grip really well and I had no problem going as fast as I do on my F4s.

I also skated my driveway which is a crusty asphalt hill.  This was a blast because I could bomb the hill then power slide at the bottom with ease. It’s such a weird and fun feeling being able to power slide a soft wheel so well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 06, 2023, 10:00:58 AM
i was disgusted to see prod skating x formulas.......
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GS77 on August 06, 2023, 08:45:18 PM
Thought some of you may not have seen this and would be interested…

How stuff is made skateboard wheels.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2OeJdvl3fig&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daydream on August 06, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
I joined the old man club and impulsively bought some 58mm dragons. Skated them for the first time at Marginal Way and I was pretty impressed with them. They grip really well and I had no problem going as fast as I do on my F4s.

I also skated my driveway which is a crusty asphalt hill.  This was a blast because I could bomb the hill then power slide at the bottom with ease. It’s such a weird and fun feeling being able to power slide a soft wheel so well.
yup. They’re that good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: PatrickSkateman on August 07, 2023, 06:46:23 PM
I’m thinking of trying a set of Snots. How are they?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frtzgn95 on August 08, 2023, 02:13:49 AM
i am really curious about the longetivity of dragons. how durable are they?

in turkey, there are no spitfire and dragons, so i bought some bones stf. i want to know to longetivity. when i find a dragon, if it will last me for 3 months, i have to buy 4 pairs of them for a year coz it is hard to find. i texted a shop, they were selling skateone products, they said "we will try to ship some of these dragons."

i will buy 56 mm for the durability. i wish it could be easier to find skate products in turkey.

edit: i was riding cruiser for months and now i hate the hard wheels on asphalt. i feel like i am almost stopping on downhill with this hard wheels and they are too loud. i want dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on August 08, 2023, 04:17:20 AM
I’m thinking of trying a set of Snots. How are they?

I like mine a lot. If you're one of those F4 evangelists I don't think they'll be for you, but if you don't mind a more "traditional" feeling wheel Snots are great imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 08, 2023, 05:44:49 AM
I’m thinking of trying a set of Snots. How are they?

Autobahn, hazard and several other companies use the same facility as they do, if your just cruising around or doing slappies or some shit they make a decent soft wheel, but I can’t get behind a wheel I can’t back tail in the streets, until they figure out a hard formula that doesn’t flatspot, feel chalky or slow as shit I can’t get behind aend’s harder wheel l outputs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on August 08, 2023, 07:16:38 AM
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I’m thinking of trying a set of Snots. How are they?
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Autobahn, hazard and several other companies use the same facility as they do, if your just cruising around or doing slappies or some shit they make a decent soft wheel, but I can’t get behind a wheel I can’t back tail in the streets, until they figure out a hard formula that doesn’t flatspot, feel chalky or slow as shit I can’t get behind aend’s harder wheel l outputs


(https://i.imgur.com/BftNeFHh.jpg)

In enjoyed them when I first got them. I gave these 3-4 months. They kind of just got chewed up with weird divots and cracks. They look and feel more worn than older wheels I have. These were the 99a but they felt closer to a bones 100s. I still would like to give the standard swirls a try.

But honestly, my main complaint is that with these wheels yellowed, So on board, they just look like regular ass wheels. Thats probably the main reason I took them off.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 08, 2023, 08:56:29 AM
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I’m thinking of trying a set of Snots. How are they?
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Autobahn, hazard and several other companies use the same facility as they do, if your just cruising around or doing slappies or some shit they make a decent soft wheel, but I can’t get behind a wheel I can’t back tail in the streets, until they figure out a hard formula that doesn’t flatspot, feel chalky or slow as shit I can’t get behind aend’s harder wheel l outputs
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(https://i.imgur.com/BftNeFHh.jpg)

In enjoyed them when I first got them. I gave these 3-4 months. They kind of just got chewed up with weird divots and cracks. They look and feel more worn than older wheels I have. These were the 99a but they felt closer to a bones 100s. I still would like to give the standard swirls a try.

But honestly, my main complaint is that with these wheels yellowed, So on board, they just look like regular ass wheels. Thats probably the main reason I took them off.

These are the cored ones right? For some reason they have dialed in the cored wheel over there, i haven’t messed with the cored ones but I have a pair of the 99a on a cruiser I use to go the the corner store, they are like 58s though so I don’t get fucked by a pebble with a 6 pack in my hand, like I said they make a decent softer wheel, but it’s not somethin I’m gonna recommend for street skating, I’m sure people make them work, look at David Langston, but I’d rather ride something from creative, or see what’s up with the new loops, if I didn’t wanna ride spitfire
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on August 08, 2023, 09:20:43 AM
It might just be me but I find the shape of the wheel has more to do with the slide than the size of the contact patch. A super round wheel like a spitfire classic or radial will slide easier while a square wheel like a tablet will be grippier.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 09, 2023, 09:01:22 PM
Has anyone skated the Spitfire Sapphires? I know they're a cruiser but wondering if they have any slideability.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 09, 2023, 09:49:49 PM
Has anyone skated the Spitfire Sapphires? I know they're a cruiser but wondering if they have any slideability.


The cruiser thread has some info:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=38836.msg4063742#msg4063742



I’ve been toying around on the 54mm Sapphires, but I’m not really sure what they’re good at yet. Felt fine on rough pavement, but not crusty stuff, super grippy on smooth concrete. Maybe they’d be good at a slippery indoor park or an old park with a bit of tooth in the surface? Bricks, hockey rink, or other odd slippery terrain? I would probably get the 58s if I did it again.

They’re pretty, but much less so once that gap at the edge of the core starts opening up. Kind of a weird novelty wheel to me, but I’ll keep ‘em around for warm up laps and parking lots. Little kids think they’re really cool.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on August 10, 2023, 03:33:10 PM
After much deliberation, went in a bit of a different direction...

I really like my F4 56mm Conical fulls,  and I've never had them slip out, so I went down to the local and grabbed spitfires widest wheels: 57mm lock in full. These things are beastly hunks of urethane, should be decent.

(https://i.ibb.co/5TbnX2N/20230805-174802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5TbnX2N)

Two sessions on the Lock in fulls and I'm calling it, I'm just not macho enough for these wheels. Regret getting the 57's and not the 55's. They're fast and smooth, but they make my setup too much of a pig to be fun outside of transition. Respect to the Kaders and T-Funks who kill it on giant wheels, I'm too much of a wuss.

Threw on some 54mm X97's and instantly skated better. First time having a solid session on the X97's at the outdoor skatepark and I'm sold (had this set from skating indoor last winter). They're a bit quiet on smooth concrete,  but they hold speed really well. They sound slow but roll fast. This set has pretty broken in sidewalls from coping and ledges and I had no issues with sticking. These are staying on.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 10, 2023, 05:24:02 PM
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Has anyone skated the Spitfire Sapphires? I know they're a cruiser but wondering if they have any slideability.
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The cruiser thread has some info:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=38836.msg4063742#msg4063742


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I’ve been toying around on the 54mm Sapphires, but I’m not really sure what they’re good at yet. Felt fine on rough pavement, but not crusty stuff, super grippy on smooth concrete. Maybe they’d be good at a slippery indoor park or an old park with a bit of tooth in the surface? Bricks, hockey rink, or other odd slippery terrain? I would probably get the 58s if I did it again.

They’re pretty, but much less so once that gap at the edge of the core starts opening up. Kind of a weird novelty wheel to me, but I’ll keep ‘em around for warm up laps and parking lots. Little kids think they’re really cool.

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Thanks. Some good reviews and info in that thread for wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 10, 2023, 10:43:30 PM

Threw on some 54mm X97's and instantly skated better. First time having a solid session on the X97's at the outdoor skatepark and I'm sold (had this set from skating indoor last winter). They're a bit quiet on smooth concrete,  but they hold speed really well. They sound slow but roll fast. This set has pretty broken in sidewalls from coping and ledges and I had no issues with sticking. These are staying on.

Good to hear, Imma give my X97s another chance at my crusty local after a not-so-impressive first sesh with them a while ago.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 14, 2023, 04:10:37 PM
Brave. Bold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-B7sUH5k4&t=515s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 14, 2023, 06:54:56 PM
Brave. Bold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-B7sUH5k4&t=515s

Extremely ballsy…. Damn he’s piqued my interest, I’ve only skated the 103 and they were so plasticy feeling, I’m in between wheels maybe I’ll play around a lil bit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 14, 2023, 07:32:33 PM
Having ridden the 99a V3, not sure I'd ever go back after the x99 (riding 53mm V1 x99s right now); 103a V3s are a different story - favorite wheel for smooth surfaces (even transition).

While he's correct on grind room and weight reduction...all he did was manual tricks? You can manual on any wheel...at least back up your review with some other shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Troubadour26 on August 14, 2023, 08:23:21 PM
riding OJ mini super juices again. My friend Cody who works at Eastern Skateboard Supply in Wilmington knows that I love them and got me a set for Christmas. The color way is called Jamaican Sunrise which he mistakenly called Tequila Moonrises haha (which I think that I like better)


I really love the Mini Supers

55mm & 78a durometer, I forget the width but they are a very wide wheel, which I think is what I like most about them

They’re sticky on rails and coping sometimes but it makes getting a grind with them even more rewarding

I’m scared to bash into walls with them because they’re so soft, I get wheelbite if I don’t land centered most of the time, they’re tricky

but they fun to ride around town and through crust

all tricks must be rotated completely in the air on them too

Last year, at the indoor skatepark in Greensboro, I got a backside flip over a plastic triton barrier in a riding a set. I think that’s a trick I will forever be stoked on and riding away on smooth factory cement floors on soft wheels felt really cool

I had a pair of 56mm Dragon’s through last Fall, Winter, & Spring

Another great wheel I’d return to.

before these I rode Formula Four Spits since they came out. I like conical fulls when they’re in stock
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on August 14, 2023, 09:06:27 PM
After riding the x99s for a few weeks I don't even wanna go back to my loophole v. I was getting knee pain after a while on the loopholes but the x99 is as smooth as a Corvette with magnaride in comparison. Slides fucking good too. Ultimate carving setup with some royals.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on August 14, 2023, 10:37:34 PM
I wasn’t impressed by the 99 STF’s….and I rode a couple sets…they just felt kinda dead…I think the consensus on here was they were underwhelming…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 14, 2023, 11:27:20 PM
After riding the x99s for a few weeks I don't even wanna go back to my loophole v. I was getting knee pain after a while on the loopholes but the x99 is as smooth as a Corvette with magnaride in comparison. Slides fucking good too. Ultimate carving setup with some royals.

X99 / Royal Gang represent!

For sure less knee pain, underrated bonus.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on August 14, 2023, 11:30:06 PM
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After riding the x99s for a few weeks I don't even wanna go back to my loophole v. I was getting knee pain after a while on the loopholes but the x99 is as smooth as a Corvette with magnaride in comparison. Slides fucking good too. Ultimate carving setup with some royals.
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X99 / Royal Gang represent!

Ever ride the Royal in 149 / 159 @Xen ?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2023, 04:46:35 AM
Yes, just got off 159s, back on 149s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 15, 2023, 05:01:07 AM
Having ridden the 99a V3, not sure I'd ever go back after the x99 (riding 53mm V1 x99s right now); 103a V3s are a different story - favorite wheel for smooth surfaces (even transition).

While he's correct on grind room and weight reduction...all he did was manual tricks? You can manual on any wheel...at least back up your review with some other shit.

Hmm would you say the v3 is similar to a teardrop or classic spitfire shape? I may give the 103 a chance I’m going through the madness again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on August 15, 2023, 07:38:57 AM
Had another session on the x99s. Still getting used to the V5 shape after coming from f4 conicals. Skated a nice cement park and they slide great or as good as f4s. They did make some funny noises on 5050s on a box but not on crooks. I have no reason to switch back to f4s at this time
Bones stilll made in USA? Just curious I didn’t look on the package.

Trying get on that Royal x99 tip but I just can’t get the Royal to feel as stable as they did when I first got  them. So I’m on ventures. But man I’m chasing how the royals first felt
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk8 Prick on August 15, 2023, 08:36:49 AM
I've been riding the same set of Bones easy streets since they came out and I'm interested in the x99. Anyone have experience with both? While the easy streets are definitely the most forgiving wheels I've ridden (which I like), I find they can be kind of dangerous when coming around a corner with too much speed. I have slid out many times with no intention of doing so. I'm looking for a soft and fast wheel that has more predictable traction, but slides good on ledges and rails.

Also, are easy streets just STF 99s or a different formula?

thx
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2023, 10:08:39 AM
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Having ridden the 99a V3, not sure I'd ever go back after the x99 (riding 53mm V1 x99s right now); 103a V3s are a different story - favorite wheel for smooth surfaces (even transition).

While he's correct on grind room and weight reduction...all he did was manual tricks? You can manual on any wheel...at least back up your review with some other shit.
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Hmm would you say the v3 is similar to a teardrop or classic spitfire shape? I may give the 103 a chance I’m going through the madness again

The V3 is nothing like either. It's pretty much it's own thing...teardrop seem closer to a V1 below. V3s make classics look massively round.

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20200421/bones-shape-crosscuts-APR2020_opt.png)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 15, 2023, 10:21:03 AM
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Having ridden the 99a V3, not sure I'd ever go back after the x99 (riding 53mm V1 x99s right now); 103a V3s are a different story - favorite wheel for smooth surfaces (even transition).

While he's correct on grind room and weight reduction...all he did was manual tricks? You can manual on any wheel...at least back up your review with some other shit.
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Hmm would you say the v3 is similar to a teardrop or classic spitfire shape? I may give the 103 a chance I’m going through the madness again
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The V3 is nothing like either. It's pretty much it's own thing...teardrop seem closer to a V1 below. V3s make classics look massively round.

(https://d2or613lp2h38m.cloudfront.net/media/wysiwyg/boneswheels/why/20200421/bones-shape-crosscuts-APR2020_opt.png)

I did skate a pair of those satori vinyl cuts and they were alright, flatspotted bad, I may pull the trigger on a set of bones, and flip the graphics in so no one notices, see if I like em thanks for the info xen…you da man
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2023, 10:53:50 AM
These are the V3s I have (52mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Bones_STF_Lockwood_Metal_103a_V3_Wheels/descpage-BSLMEWH.html

I didn't find them offensive (FWIW it seems the 99s have a much different graphic style - usually a less robust graphic and fewer colors); plus lockwood rips (despite the hat) in tranny riding slim wheels and thunders ;)

Also interesting, go to the bones wheels page and under STF they have only a handful, one wheel in a few shapes. Odd.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on August 15, 2023, 12:14:22 PM
if youre gonna go STF, you gotta just go as dumb as possible. 103a or else what are you even riding them for? dont expect grip from these wheels... if you want some grip, def ride a X Formula or a F4.


riding OJ mini super juices again.


I just got em they are pretty fun wheels, I actually am not a huge fan of the shape BUT that shape is incredible for manuals and I feel super safe on these wheels. IMO the ultimate cruiser wheel but kinda trash for tricks. i have done slappy crook on them and shit but i try to avoid it, i am really babying them as i have heard they are easy to chunk.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2023, 01:28:13 PM
I've been riding the same set of Bones easy streets since they came out and I'm interested in the x99. Anyone have experience with both? While the easy streets are definitely the most forgiving wheels I've ridden (which I like), I find they can be kind of dangerous when coming around a corner with too much speed. I have slid out many times with no intention of doing so. I'm looking for a soft and fast wheel that has more predictable traction, but slides good on ledges and rails.

Also, are easy streets just STF 99s or a different formula?

thx

Different formula / Night and Day difference.

The 99a easy streets is one of my favorite wheels of all time, I really liked the way they felt and am bummed they're gone. They were a different formula from the old STFs and for sure different than the crappy, off white 99a STF that's out there now (which as noted above feel dead); When Bones decided to go brown (dirty birds...man let's hope that intern got let go for that naming convention) to compete with spitatos, they fucked their whole line, including the regular (now softer feeling) 103a STF, which now feel like OLD 99a STFs to me. The old 103a STFs (white or colors) were so damn hard.

x99s are totally different in terms of rebound/absorption in comparison; the easy streets were still a 'hard wheel' by today's standards, the x99s, while they perform like a hard wheel, they just don't feel like one, and take some getting used to as the 'feedback' we're all used to from our wheels is different with them.

x99s are as close as you are going to get to a spit 99a/old easy street 99a, with very little sacrifice, especially if you desire a soft feeling wheel for crust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FUBAR on August 15, 2023, 03:46:25 PM
I have two sessions on my 93a Dragons and damn…I like them. The curb spot is great and I even rolled around the park with them…they seemed okay to me. I actually like the slide they have. I’ve never been this stoked on new wheels…till now. The last pair of Powell wheels I had crumbled early, so I hope that is not the case here. These shits were like $50 after tax!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 15, 2023, 11:01:00 PM
Re: wheel shapes and Bones -- y'all gotta keep in mind that "wide" is a highly relative term when it comes to Bones. E.g. the V4 Wide shape is in reality pretty slim in today's standards, especially when compared to the F4 shapes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on August 16, 2023, 05:57:52 AM
Gonna be hard to resist that AA wheel when it comes out, depending how x97 feels to me might finally have the elusive “one” wheel for all there.

Got them.

These wheels are just about perfect for a real wide bord (9.5) I’d tried a few offset type wheels before this… performance varied in a lot of ways. Briefly tried Dragon Rat Bones too but 60mm was a bit tanky, 52mm is far nimbler.

I wouldn’t actually have complained if the AA wheels had been in the 93a formula…. now I’ve ridden both, feel like the softer ones are more pleasingly “old school” but it’s not a deal breaker.

I’ve not tested them on wood ramps fully yet but they seemed to grip enough, just wasn’t warmed up enough to push it (I’d prefer grip here… some 97s I’ve tried were still surprisingly icy).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on August 16, 2023, 06:04:06 AM
Funny though for all the deserved Powell hype….

I’m still extremely happy with Conical Full F4 97s everywhere else (if park, go to 101s)

Hope they don’t go out of production… these are getting ridden to the bearings.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on August 16, 2023, 07:40:44 AM
Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 16, 2023, 08:11:19 AM
Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).

Very similar feelings about the X97, and for me too it took a couple of sessions to realize how great they are. Funnily enough first impression wasn't amazing, but now that I've skated them more they are definitely keepers. Frankly prefer them over Dragons at the moment.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on August 16, 2023, 08:35:53 AM
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Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).
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Very similar feelings about the X97, and for me too it took a couple of sessions to realize how great they are. Funnily enough first impression wasn't amazing, but now that I've skated them more they are definitely keepers. Frankly prefer them over Dragons at the moment.

Agreed, they don't give up much to the Dragons for smoothness, and are faster and livelier (if that's a thing).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 16, 2023, 09:31:13 AM
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Does anyone know if they're planning nano cubics in other sizes? Would love some 56's for my 10" Lucero cross.

I'm really enjoying the X97's, glad I gave them another chance. Going to keep them on my main setup. Fast, smooth, predictable, and definitely more grip than F4's. Starting to dig how they're a bit quieter (must be getting old).
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Very similar feelings about the X97, and for me too it took a couple of sessions to realize how great they are. Funnily enough first impression wasn't amazing, but now that I've skated them more they are definitely keepers. Frankly prefer them over Dragons at the moment.
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Agreed, they don't give up much to the Dragons for smoothness, and are faster and livelier (if that's a thing).

Definitely a thing. I keep saying to people that they feel more like a "real" wheel whereas Dragons are (although amazing) more of an anomaly, really. A good one at that, but still one that ultimately feels a bit weird.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sk8 Prick on August 16, 2023, 06:20:58 PM
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The 99a easy streets is one of my favorite wheels of all time, I really liked the way they felt and am bummed they're gone. They were a different formula from the old STFs and for sure different than the crappy, off white 99a STF that's out there now (which as noted above feel dead); When Bones decided to go brown (dirty birds...man let's hope that intern got let go for that naming convention) to compete with spitatos, they fucked their whole line, including the regular (now softer feeling) 103a STF, which now feel like OLD 99a STFs to me. The old 103a STFs (white or colors) were so damn hard.

x99s are totally different in terms of rebound/absorption in comparison; the easy streets were still a 'hard wheel' by today's standards, the x99s, while they perform like a hard wheel, they just don't feel like one, and take some getting used to as the 'feedback' we're all used to from our wheels is different with them.

x99s are as close as you are going to get to a spit 99a/old easy street 99a, with very little sacrifice, especially if you desire a soft feeling wheel for crust.

Thanks for the reply. I remember looking into getting some more easy streets before the x formula was revealed and being confused that I couldn't find them anywhere, despite them being what I thought was bones' most recent flagship formula. I also agree that the dirty birds looked disgusting and had a stupid name. I like my wheels to have a super synthetic white color, closer to a blue or translucent tint rather than yellow.

Sounds like I'll be checking out the x99s in the future. I measured my easy streets when swapping my trucks recently and they were 45mm. Still have some life though 8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2023, 07:54:54 PM
The x99s, while not bleach white, do have that blue white translucency about that. They're even whiter than new, regular STF 103s.

Whitest wheels out are snot or Ricta. They're white white.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on August 17, 2023, 06:37:48 AM
What is the most optimal way to rotate your wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 17, 2023, 07:13:07 AM
What is the most optimal way to rotate your wheels?

FAST AS FUCK
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BALARGUE on August 17, 2023, 07:40:59 AM
What is the most optimal way to rotate your wheels?

@Mbrimson88 posted about it a few days ago

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120185.msg4066367#msg4066367 (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120185.msg4066367#msg4066367)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 17, 2023, 05:04:27 PM
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What is the most optimal way to rotate your wheels?
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@Mbrimson88 posted about it a few days ago

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120185.msg4066367#msg4066367 (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=120185.msg4066367#msg4066367)


Yeah thanks!

Putting it here in this thread at least for anyone else:


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Ok so, I feel really stupid even asking this, but with Spitifire's lock in shape, it means you can't rotate your wheels to get more life out of them right? Or just a different riding experience?
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you're not gonna cone F4's. you can move them front to back, right side, left side, ect, ect... and that will even out any wheel size differences, there's no need to flip F4's inside out.


It comes down to how someone skates.

I just got a set of F4 back from someone who had never rotated them, so the starting 56 mm, now 55 (front heel) 54 and solidly coned (front toe) 52 (back heel) and 51 slightly coned (back toe) I was just wondering what the person was doing for however long they had them to wear like that, but most people who do rotate wheels never have those sort of end results.

Front toe and back toe to some degree wear more on the outside edge, front heel not much at all, back heel wears more on the inside edge, so as said, rotating them in various ways usually keeps any issues from coming up too much, more so front toe to back heel, back toe to front heel, then to back heel if needed.

Any asymmetrical shaped wheel can have issues though, especially if you don't want to ever flip them over and skate them inwards, but I haven't seen the new ones to see if they are center set or offset in the bearing seat.  If they are center set, then it is not such a big deal to flip them over, but if offset, then you are going to have some very different experiences skating them graphics out or graphics in.


I'm lost when it comes to wheel shapes, but my question is with something like a conical, can you skate them flipped? I've always skated classics mainly, to the best of my memory, and have always put the graphics inward, just as a habit probably from watching pros do it. Can I still do that with a shaped wheel or does that defeat the purpose? Thanks pals


Almost every other shape on the market is symmetrical, so it doesn't matter if you ride them graphics in or out and a lot of people flip them with odd wear patterns too, so some will be in and some out on the same board.  A "cool way" to do it for a lot of people was three in and one out, not that I have ever been into the cool way to do things, but I think they always had the back heel out so they wouldn't have to look at the graphic but still showed what wheel they were on, or something like that.

For those that remove graphics, it makes it easier to ride them any which way you like, but more often than not, graphics in was the more simple and clean look from the 90s right through to the present.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on August 17, 2023, 09:21:02 PM
Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 17, 2023, 11:24:04 PM
Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.

I would try the Radials. They're wider than the Classics but not too conical-shaped. In my opinion they're a very good all-around wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on August 18, 2023, 08:59:15 AM
I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on August 18, 2023, 02:16:01 PM
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Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.
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I would try the Radials. They're wider than the Classics but not too conical-shaped. In my opinion they're a very good all-around wheel.

Vouching for radial fulls

I'm a big fan of the Elite 101s, love the shape and they feel super fun and wild on the super smooth crete at the newest park in town. The shape did have some quirks that made certain moves harder, as was mentioned.

 I picked up 56mm Radial Fulls 97a and they're my favorite wheel all around (probably will get 54mm next time). I'm terrified of pivot fakie, but they lock-in and out of similar tricks beautifully (hurricanes, nosepicks), whereas I couldn't get these moves consistent on the hardline shape.

They definitely feel pretty bulky though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 18, 2023, 04:14:35 PM
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Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.
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I would try the Radials. They're wider than the Classics but not too conical-shaped. In my opinion they're a very good all-around wheel.
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Vouching for radial fulls

I'm a big fan of the Elite 101s, love the shape and they feel super fun and wild on the super smooth crete at the newest park in town. The shape did have some quirks that made certain moves harder, as was mentioned.

 I picked up 56mm Radial Fulls 97a and they're my favorite wheel all around (probably will get 54mm next time). I'm terrified of pivot fakie, but they lock-in and out of similar tricks beautifully (hurricanes, nosepicks), whereas I couldn't get these moves consistent on the hardline shape.

They definitely feel pretty bulky though


What size / width trucks are you both using?

* Mamba 149s (same as me) I see from previous posts.


I put Radial Full 58 and then 54 mm sizes on my 149s and both just felt too wide for the trucks, but they work a lot better on wider trucks, maybe more so just the overall proportions look more normal to me.  That is funny too considering I prefer bigger and wider wheels in general, but it messed with my timing and placement when I would go to lock into any grinds, even the smaller 54 mm width still being 38 mm wide, compared to most others which are around 34 mm wide in the same 54 mm diameter.


The Radials (normal ones that is) are pretty much the middle ground between Classic shapes and any of the wider more bulky wheels, so I can easily ride the 54, 55 or even 56 mm sizes on smaller boards without feeling like they are too wide for the overall setup, be it on 149s or smaller like 144 or 139 widths too.

I would usually have the nicely worn in 56 mm or worn down 58 mm Classics on my usual boards, as well as the Classic Full shaped wheels, but as they are not available take those out of the equation for now, but the 54 mm Classic Full is a really comfortable wheel right from go for me.

For any of the wider profile wheels, I have to round off the edges a bit more with an angle grinder just to make them feel more "normal" for me, also more transition based, so finding something with a locking in effect is actually not at all what I want, even though a wider surface area works well for me.  Unless you have wheels you don't want or don't mind messing up a few, I wouldn't recommend taking a grinder to them, but I know other people who have and they have worked out well, once they got the hang of it.


It comes down to personal preference really, so if you lke the sharper edge, over the rounder edge or vice versa, I would be sticking with certain shapes that go along with that wheel profile, more so than trying to slog through sets of wheels that just don't work for you.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Twig88 on August 19, 2023, 03:45:08 AM
I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...

It depends on what you want. I jumped on the Dragon train (I have the 55mm V4 shape) and agree there is nothing even close in terms of all-around performance. There is definitely some clever shit in those wheels. As many have said, they slide almost as well as hard wheels and grip almost like soft wheels. They still roll well on rough terrain too. But they don't really feel or sound that soft if that makes sense, and that's both positive and negative. I was previously riding Ricta Clouds (92A) and those are much softer feeling/quieter, there's less feedback through the board and while they might not be any faster on shitty ground than the Dragons, they make it feel smoother and more relaxed. The same is true of the OJs (85a, I think) I had before that. For reference, I'm mostly skating in the mountains in Switzerland, there are lots of cobblestones, bad concrete, death cracks, etc.

I do wish there was a softer version of Dragon Formula that kept some of the slide but maybe 85a or something like that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on August 19, 2023, 04:21:14 AM
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I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...
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It depends on what you want. I jumped on the Dragon train (I have the 55mm V4 shape) and agree there is nothing even close in terms of all-around performance. There is definitely some clever shit in those wheels. As many have said, they slide almost as well as hard wheels and grip almost like soft wheels. They still roll well on rough terrain too. But they don't really feel or sound that soft if that makes sense, and that's both positive and negative. I was previously riding Ricta Clouds (92A) and those are much softer feeling/quieter, there's less feedback through the board and while they might not be any faster on shitty ground than the Dragons, they make it feel smoother and more relaxed. The same is true of the OJs (85a, I think) I had before that. For reference, I'm mostly skating in the mountains in Switzerland, there are lots of cobblestones, bad concrete, death cracks, etc.

I do wish there was a softer version of Dragon Formula that kept some of the slide but maybe 85a or something like that.

Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: cucktard on August 19, 2023, 05:10:29 AM
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I think it's time to try some Dragons finally. My super juice minis just got a huge chunk out of them riding downhill. Luckily nothing happened. I've barely ridden these 20hrs total and only cruising, no tricks at all. I'm kinda over the OJs now since I've had two sets to go unskateable in short time.  Dragons seem like good choice for my next wheel since I'm looking for an all-round wheel. I'm considering getting the rat bones shape...
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It depends on what you want. I jumped on the Dragon train (I have the 55mm V4 shape) and agree there is nothing even close in terms of all-around performance. There is definitely some clever shit in those wheels. As many have said, they slide almost as well as hard wheels and grip almost like soft wheels. They still roll well on rough terrain too. But they don't really feel or sound that soft if that makes sense, and that's both positive and negative. I was previously riding Ricta Clouds (92A) and those are much softer feeling/quieter, there's less feedback through the board and while they might not be any faster on shitty ground than the Dragons, they make it feel smoother and more relaxed. The same is true of the OJs (85a, I think) I had before that. For reference, I'm mostly skating in the mountains in Switzerland, there are lots of cobblestones, bad concrete, death cracks, etc.

I do wish there was a softer version of Dragon Formula that kept some of the slide but maybe 85a or something like that.

The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Twig88 on August 19, 2023, 09:06:23 AM
Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.

Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.


The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes

The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on August 19, 2023, 10:56:57 AM
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Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.
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Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.

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The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
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The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.

Understandable if you're more oriented to doing tricks. I might get a slimmer shape for my other setup if I like these wider Dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 20, 2023, 09:38:24 AM
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Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.
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Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.

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The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
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The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.

Here’s some relevant info:

The Rat Bone Dragons are heavily asymmetrical. They stick out like a quarter inch past the axle nut, and they don’t cover any hanger on the inside. The V6 58mm Dragon is your best bet for a normal shaped wheel.

On rough terrain, Dragons actually break free into a slide a lot more easily than I thought they would. Just be careful if you’re going to try and use them the same as a 78-80A traditional cruiser wheel right out the gate because you’ll probably have to adjust a bit to the way they work.

G-Slides ride pretty nice and they come in the Rough Rider shape (similar to Super Juices), but I think they’re more of a downhill product so you have to be flying to really get a slide out of them. They feel pretty grippy otherwise, especially once they’re broken in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on August 20, 2023, 11:07:31 AM
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Dragons kinda sound like what I've wanted for some time. Something between a cruiser and your regular harder skate wheels. I was on 97 spits but they're too hard and not really that special except for their grip. I like to go fast, cruise around and pull some tricks in between. I love to ride hills, too. I barely ever just stop to a spot to skate it for hours but commute from spot to spot and skate whatever is on the way. I was into the Rat Bones shape because it reminded of the Oj Super Juice / Spit Radial Full shapes I like. I tried some Keyframes before (87a) but they're not that fast even. I've heard Dragons do everything better than those. I would skate nothing but Super Juices maybe but they just dont last that long for me.
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Sounds like the Dragons would be perfect then. They're a genuine gamechanger for what you've described. I haven't tried the Rat Bones shape, I wouldn't want something that wide for doing tricks personally but I like regular street width wheels generally.

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The dragon formula was originally derived from their downhill program, where they were trying to create the perfect soft whee that grips when needed but also has a stable slide.

They wheels are fatter, but if you are ok with that the hardest ones are 82a, and get softer from there

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-snakes-skateboard-wheels-66mm-82a-4pk-yellow

And not the same formula as the dragons, but I be heard great things about the g-slides, which come in more traditional wheels sizes
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The G-Slides are interesting, I wish they did a regular street wheel width, but I might give them a shot regardless because the Clouds really don't want to slide (during tricks at least) in the softer duros.
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Here’s some relevant info:

The Rat Bone Dragons are heavily asymmetrical. They stick out like a quarter inch past the axle nut, and they don’t cover any hanger on the inside. The V6 58mm Dragon is your best bet for a normal shaped wheel.

On rough terrain, Dragons actually break free into a slide a lot more easily than I thought they would. Just be careful if you’re going to try and use them the same as a 78-80A traditional cruiser wheel right out the gate because you’ll probably have to adjust a bit to the way they work.

G-Slides ride pretty nice and they come in the Rough Rider shape (similar to Super Juices), but I think they’re more of a downhill product so you have to be flying to really get a slide out of them. They feel pretty grippy otherwise, especially once they’re broken in.

The reason I went for the Rat Bones shape is because I used to run a cruiser setup with trucks being 8.5 - 8.75in range and boards being at least 9 inches wide so the wider wheels with a bit of offset work great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on August 20, 2023, 02:09:00 PM
Anybody got a spare ricta cloud 92a? I lost one a while back while cruising on Tensors atgs. Rethreaded the axle thinking it was fixed and boom just lost 1 Dragon again.

I think its about time I give those ass trucks away
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 20, 2023, 04:51:24 PM
Anybody got a spare ricta cloud 92a? I lost one a while back while cruising on Tensors atgs. Rethreaded the axle thinking it was fixed and boom just lost 1 Dragon again.

I think its about time I give those ass trucks away


Is it not just replacing the axle nuts, more than anything?  If any nut has lost the nyloc connection that keeps it nice and tight without needing anything else, it will definitely come loose very easily.  New nuts stay on (usually) even on very messed up axles, after rethreading or whatever, I would usually put new nuts on if the axles or the old nuts were very messed up.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on August 20, 2023, 05:16:41 PM
I did swap it out because I lost it. It's only ever happened on these trucks so I'd rather cut my losses. It's shit.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gandito405 on August 22, 2023, 05:03:34 PM
how do I rotate asymmetrical lock in Fulls?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frtzgn95 on August 23, 2023, 03:18:16 AM
how do I rotate asymmetrical lock in Fulls?

that's my strategy:

frontside toeside wheel <- new wheel
frontside heelside wheel <- new wheel
backside toeside wheel <- new wheel
backside heelside wheel <- new wheel
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: radcunt on August 23, 2023, 03:58:26 AM
Used to be a badge of honor to cone out your huge pink reflex wheels doin' fat slash carves down hills.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 23, 2023, 04:16:26 AM
Coning the front wheels out by tic tacing was the SHIT.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on August 23, 2023, 04:28:13 AM
how do I rotate asymmetrical lock in Fulls?
The same way you rotate all other wheels. No need to flip it inside out. Just choose either clockwise or anticlockwise and stick to it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on August 23, 2023, 07:08:32 AM

It comes down to how someone skates.

I just got a set of F4 back from someone who had never rotated them, so the starting 56 mm, now 55 (front heel) 54 and solidly coned (front toe) 52 (back heel) and 51 slightly coned (back toe)

Wow so actually if you just flip the trucks around, and then turn the wheels inside out, you dont need to change the position of the wheels at all and oyu should end up with the most even wear... lol for some reason i flipped the front and back wheels around after flipping my trucks, i dont think that will make a huge difference in the end. but it does seem like back wheels get worn more than front (moar mannys!)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on August 23, 2023, 11:15:58 AM
Love the dragons after riding them a few times now, they roll over everything much better than F4s. Havent tried nose/tailslides yet but everything else about them rules.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on August 23, 2023, 11:22:11 AM
Saw oj releasing the new ”chubbies” wheels. Thinking about getting them, but i’ve never ridden oj’s. How does the original 99a oj formula compare to 99a f4 urethane? I’ve ridden sml ag formula and dialtone, and they didn’t feel bad, actually liked them, but then got some f4 again and wondered why i’ve even ridden anything else.

So; how’s the slide and speed on oj’s original formula compared to f4 99a, and are they even on par with sml ag formula/dialtone 99a, which are made by creative urethanes, i assume?

Probably will get them anyways :D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on August 23, 2023, 02:32:33 PM
Saw oj releasing the new ”chubbies” wheels. Thinking about getting them, but i’ve never ridden oj’s. How does the original 99a oj formula compare to 99a f4 urethane? I’ve ridden sml ag formula and dialtone, and they didn’t feel bad, actually liked them, but then got some f4 again and wondered why i’ve even ridden anything else.

So; how’s the slide and speed on oj’s original formula compared to f4 99a, and are they even on par with sml ag formula/dialtone 99a, which are made by creative urethanes, i assume?

Probably will get them anyways :D
I have some OJ Elite in the Hardline shape. I think they slide easier than F4 wheels. Idk, Spitfires seem a little grippier to me and a tad bit slower. But they feel better on rougher ground. I think they have a softer wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on August 23, 2023, 04:10:04 PM
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Can someone advise me on wheels? Currently in my first bout of wheel madness.

Usually i’ve just been someone who rides classics. I think the last 4 wheels have all been classics/classic shapes. I finally decided to switch it up as my skating has changed, and I wanted to experiment what would be more optimal. before my current wheels I was using 101 Ez edge oj wheels. Really liked those

I tried OJ 101 Elite Hardline (conical shape) for better lock in on grinds. Little did i know, I do not like the way they lock in at all. It’s almost too locked in if that makes sense. I don’t like the square edge for these reasons. I also noticed it’s a lot easier to hang up on 5-0 fakie and other tricks where you’re using heel/toe pressure to back in a ramp. Haven’t tried slappies yet but the square edge has me worried. Doesn’t slide as well.

So i’m thinking I still want to try a wheel that’s wider than a classic shape, but not as wide as a conical full type shape. Any suggestions? I was looking at radials and the regular conicals, but i don’t know much about other brands. Maybe I’m naive that the regular conicals would be that much different but it looks pretty skinny.

I’m a transition skater, smaller stuff, no huge bowls or vert. But lots of tight transition and the occasional flip tricks.
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I would try the Radials. They're wider than the Classics but not too conical-shaped. In my opinion they're a very good all-around wheel.
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Vouching for radial fulls

I'm a big fan of the Elite 101s, love the shape and they feel super fun and wild on the super smooth crete at the newest park in town. The shape did have some quirks that made certain moves harder, as was mentioned.

 I picked up 56mm Radial Fulls 97a and they're my favorite wheel all around (probably will get 54mm next time). I'm terrified of pivot fakie, but they lock-in and out of similar tricks beautifully (hurricanes, nosepicks), whereas I couldn't get these moves consistent on the hardline shape.

They definitely feel pretty bulky though
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What size / width trucks are you both using?

* Mamba 149s (same as me) I see from previous posts.


I put Radial Full 58 and then 54 mm sizes on my 149s and both just felt too wide for the trucks, but they work a lot better on wider trucks, maybe more so just the overall proportions look more normal to me.  That is funny too considering I prefer bigger and wider wheels in general, but it messed with my timing and placement when I would go to lock into any grinds, even the smaller 54 mm width still being 38 mm wide, compared to most others which are around 34 mm wide in the same 54 mm diameter.


The Radials (normal ones that is) are pretty much the middle ground between Classic shapes and any of the wider more bulky wheels, so I can easily ride the 54, 55 or even 56 mm sizes on smaller boards without feeling like they are too wide for the overall setup, be it on 149s or smaller like 144 or 139 widths too.

I would usually have the nicely worn in 56 mm or worn down 58 mm Classics on my usual boards, as well as the Classic Full shaped wheels, but as they are not available take those out of the equation for now, but the 54 mm Classic Full is a really comfortable wheel right from go for me.

For any of the wider profile wheels, I have to round off the edges a bit more with an angle grinder just to make them feel more "normal" for me, also more transition based, so finding something with a locking in effect is actually not at all what I want, even though a wider surface area works well for me.  Unless you have wheels you don't want or don't mind messing up a few, I wouldn't recommend taking a grinder to them, but I know other people who have and they have worked out well, once they got the hang of it.


It comes down to personal preference really, so if you lke the sharper edge, over the rounder edge or vice versa, I would be sticking with certain shapes that go along with that wheel profile, more so than trying to slog through sets of wheels that just don't work for you.

My radial fulls are on AF1 66's, bolted to ~9" Blk Lbl egg

So saying the wheels are bulky is maybe a bit misleading considering the board is most of a tank haha!

Love the shape, probably just need 54s - I think the "footprint" is my favorite part of the radial fulls

(The mindy's are set-up with worn down 54mm Elites)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 23, 2023, 04:33:44 PM
Saw oj releasing the new ”chubbies” wheels. Thinking about getting them, but i’ve never ridden oj’s. How does the original 99a oj formula compare to 99a f4 urethane? I’ve ridden sml ag formula and dialtone, and they didn’t feel bad, actually liked them, but then got some f4 again and wondered why i’ve even ridden anything else.

So; how’s the slide and speed on oj’s original formula compared to f4 99a, and are they even on par with sml ag formula/dialtone 99a, which are made by creative urethanes, i assume?

Probably will get them anyways :D


Had a lot of clearance OJ wheels in the original and elite formula come through my hands back when they were still USA made and they skate just fine, no issues at all for the most part, but they do feel a little more on the softer / more grippy side and they do tend to get flatspots, although that seemed to happen more to some people than others.  People have said they are still the same formula and feel as these older ones for the current "original formula" wheels that are out now, but I haven't tried any to see what they are like.

Sure I will always skate Formula Four wheels over anything else, but the OJs are a nice wheel, feeling decent especially in the bigger wider shapes, which I still have on some boards, so I would not say to anyone not to ride them.


That new shape looks on trend for the wider wheel market, the two main ones being 52 x 36.5 and 54 x 37.5 mm as well as the Milton 56 mm size.  Much like my Radial Full shaped wheels just looking at the profile.



https://ojwheels.com/


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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on August 24, 2023, 02:24:08 AM
I like the OJ Elite formula especially in dusty indoor parks / on plywood. A bit less slippery IMO than F4 while being pretty much just as fast. They're not F4 (nothing is), but they're not bad wheels at all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthulhu! on August 24, 2023, 08:10:49 AM
OJ's Elite 99a turned into my favorite wheel for smooth transition parks. Not so much for street stuff. But two setups are allowed when you're old.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 24, 2023, 10:24:58 AM
The OG OJ urethane is grippy soft and slow; wouldn't touch them again if they were free. Sort of like any generic wheel that comes out of Creative/board brand wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on August 25, 2023, 12:51:43 PM
Just wanted to drop by and tell that man i love Dragons
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on August 25, 2023, 07:13:40 PM
Just wanted to drop by and tell that man i love Dragons
Did you mean to post this in a Game of Thrones fan page forum?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JugeL on August 25, 2023, 09:43:49 PM
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Just wanted to drop by and tell that man i love Dragons
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Did you mean to post this in a Game of Thrones fan page forum?
Oh my bad, no idea how i ended up in skateboard wheel forum
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on August 26, 2023, 01:21:27 PM
Chiming in to say I also enjoy the OJ elite formulas, but in 101a. they’re not icy like bones or spits, but they still slide better than the 99a f4 without being too wild. perfect grip to slip ratio.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on August 28, 2023, 08:17:47 AM
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Just wanted to drop by and tell that man i love Dragons
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Did you mean to post this in a Game of Thrones fan page forum?
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Oh my bad, no idea how i ended up in skateboard wheel forum
Dragons are too good I feel like I'm wasting them on a small cruiser with risers lol, gonna switch them over
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on August 28, 2023, 09:10:23 AM
Chiming in to say I also enjoy the OJ elite formulas, but in 101a. they’re not icy like bones or spits, but they still slide better than the 99a f4 without being too wild. perfect grip to slip ratio.

Love 101 elites!

I've been switching set-ups around but there's always a deck with 54mm Elites
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on August 28, 2023, 09:11:00 AM
So NFG MFG is done right? Anyone know if the guy behind that is planning to do anything else? I really liked the formula they used. Had a set of Loopholes that felt really good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on August 28, 2023, 09:20:33 AM
So NFG MFG is done right? Anyone know if the guy behind that is planning to do anything else? I really liked the formula they used. Had a set of Loopholes that felt really good.

Unfortunately the wizard is done, I haven’t seen anything else from him or heard anything about him making anything new, it looks like loophole has found a new home over at acid wheel co. I haven’t tried the new formula yet but people seem to like them, I’m pretty bummed as well I like the wizards products when they were good, I guess the bad QC and sets that made it out with bubbles and bad bearing seats prolly led to the demise of NFG
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: kimchi on August 28, 2023, 11:04:49 AM
Went a bit gear crazy on wheels over the past ~6 months or so, various thoughts below. I'm still in the try a bunch of shit and figure out what I like stage.

I'm still pretty new to skating at ~2 years in-- couple years more than that longboarding, and I've been snowboarding near 20 years now. I mostly carve simple transition lines in local bowls and cruise sidewalks around the neighborhood. No curbs or rails, wheels stay on the ground. Working on sorting out rocket ollies and sad quasi-slides.

I've only had these wheels on Indy Stage XIs on a couple boards, a 8.25" and a roughly 8.75". Mostly using Bronson G3s, but I have a set of Bones Swiss on dedicated transition wheels.

If matters I'm 6', 210 lbs, size 10.5-11 shoe.


Knowing what i know now from trying a bunch of stuff, I'd settle on two sets of wheels:
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on August 30, 2023, 12:24:07 PM
Went a bit gear crazy on wheels over the past ~6 months or so, various thoughts below. I'm still in the try a bunch of shit and figure out what I like stage.

I'm still pretty new to skating at ~2 years in-- couple years more than that longboarding, and I've been snowboarding near 20 years now. I mostly carve simple transition lines in local bowls and cruise sidewalks around the neighborhood. No curbs or rails, wheels stay on the ground. Working on sorting out rocket ollies and sad quasi-slides.

I've only had these wheels on Indy Stage XIs on a couple boards, a 8.25" and a roughly 8.75". Mostly using Bronson G3s, but I have a set of Bones Swiss on dedicated transition wheels.

If matters I'm 6', 210 lbs, size 10.5-11 shoe.

  • OJ Elite Mini Combos 58mm 101a - First set of wheels I bought on this list, local shop guy set me up with these when I said I was mostly interested in carving bowls. I like them, fast, predictable. They feel little sticky sliding but again I don't really now how to slide. They feel a little slick on graffiti'd over concrete transition, but I maybe that'd just what that surface feels like. I think I'd prefer a bigger F4 wheel, but I still like these after having tried a bunch of other wheels. They are awful outside of the skate park, though.
  • PP Dragons 54mm 93A - Bought into the hype but not really digging these for my style. Still have some interest in the formula, but I don't like the shape. I feel oddly wobbly pushing and landing on these wheels, I think the contact patch is narrow for my tastes. The formula is fun for sidewalk cruising, but I HATE the way they feel on smooth concrete transition. I may grab a 60-ish mm set for longboards or cruiser setups, but not feeling them on popsicle decks. Maybe if I was more focused on street.
  • Bones X-Formula V6 56mm 97A - These are the wheels I skate the most, especially when I feel too lazy to swap out wheels. They work pretty decent on sidewalks and pretty decent at the park, but don't excel in either setting. I prefer the feel of Formula Four on cleaner hard surfaces, but X-formula is a lot more pleasant rolling sidewalks and crust.
  • Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm 99A - Got these barely used. The whole "PP / Bones wheels feel plastic-y" made sense to me after I rode these. Can't fully articulate why, but so far F4 just feel the best to me-- I skate better because I have more feedback on what's happening underfoot. They're ok on decent pavement, but still feel bit sketch on crust to me. As someone still getting the hang of sliding, I'm making the most progress on these... they seem to slide most easily and predictably. I got the sense I didn't like the shape but was getting good vibes on the formula, so I grabbed...
  • Spitfire F4 Conical Fulls 54mm 99A - Also nabbed these barely used. These are probably my favorite wheel I own right now. Really digging this shape. I thought I liked bigger wheels (56+ mm), but I think I just like wider wheels. I've made a lot of progress ollieing on these-- feels like it's because I'm lower to the ground than my 56-58 mm wheels, but the wheel and the contact pact on these is wider than the Dragons or the Spitfire Classic shape. I still don't like them cruising the neighborhood, but they're more manageable than the classics and a lot of fun at the skate park.
  • Spitfire Sapphires 56A 90A - I picked these up on a lark after liking the F4s, they're a bust. I was hoping for a non-cruiser shaped wheel could skate more quietly around my house after dark without pissing off my neighbors, but they feel / sound pretty hard because of the 101A core-- noticeably harder than the Bones X97s IMO. Roll speed doesn't seem the best and are stickier than Dragons or X-formula in slides. I don't really get the target audience except maybe those who think colored clear wheels are cool?

Knowing what i know now from trying a bunch of stuff, I'd settle on two sets of wheels:
  • A comfy all-around X-formula Wheel in a 54 mm for cruising around the neighborhood, probably still in the V6. Probably the X97, maybe the X99.
  • A more performance F4 wheel in a 56 mm for the skate park, maybe a Radial shape? I'm intrigued by 101, but 99 feels pretty darn good to me. Conical Full in a 56 feels too aggressively wide but who knows.

I enjoyed reading through your wheel assessments, you have a solid process of elimination that seems to be working! May I ask what shape of 54mm Dragon wheels you had? Do you know if they were the narrower V1 or wider V4 shape? PS I do have bad wheel madness at the moment and look forward trying out Dragons (one day) so I'm curious as to how a narrower V1 shape in 54mm would cope with crusty terrain. I'm currently on Spitfire 97a 53mm and like them a lot for general riding around the local streets here in the UK.
Also, I hear you about feeling more comfortable and progressing on smaller wheels, I love how 56mm roll in a straight line but when trying to do anything with the board then my 53mm's certainly feel better/more secure.
Cheers :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on August 30, 2023, 01:53:43 PM
Dragons are pretty cozy, but for real rattly ground I'd want shock pads. So they didn't work in my cruiser, but they're going on my bigger street setup, which might also work for tranny in a pinch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on August 30, 2023, 04:45:28 PM
Dragons are pretty cozy, but for real rattly ground I'd want shock pads. So they didn't work in my cruiser, but they're going on my bigger street setup, which might also work for tranny in a pinch.

I ran dragons and indy shock pads for a bit, talk about cush.

More recently, ran AF1 lows with the 1/16th pads (they're not hard hard, but not super soft like shocks, middle ground) and the x99s, that was super smooth too.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: kimchi on August 30, 2023, 05:00:49 PM
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Went a bit gear crazy on wheels over the past ~6 months or so, various thoughts below. I'm still in the try a bunch of shit and figure out what I like stage.

I'm still pretty new to skating at ~2 years in-- couple years more than that longboarding, and I've been snowboarding near 20 years now. I mostly carve simple transition lines in local bowls and cruise sidewalks around the neighborhood. No curbs or rails, wheels stay on the ground. Working on sorting out rocket ollies and sad quasi-slides.

I've only had these wheels on Indy Stage XIs on a couple boards, a 8.25" and a roughly 8.75". Mostly using Bronson G3s, but I have a set of Bones Swiss on dedicated transition wheels.

If matters I'm 6', 210 lbs, size 10.5-11 shoe.

  • OJ Elite Mini Combos 58mm 101a - First set of wheels I bought on this list, local shop guy set me up with these when I said I was mostly interested in carving bowls. I like them, fast, predictable. They feel little sticky sliding but again I don't really now how to slide. They feel a little slick on graffiti'd over concrete transition, but I maybe that'd just what that surface feels like. I think I'd prefer a bigger F4 wheel, but I still like these after having tried a bunch of other wheels. They are awful outside of the skate park, though.
  • PP Dragons 54mm 93A - Bought into the hype but not really digging these for my style. Still have some interest in the formula, but I don't like the shape. I feel oddly wobbly pushing and landing on these wheels, I think the contact patch is narrow for my tastes. The formula is fun for sidewalk cruising, but I HATE the way they feel on smooth concrete transition. I may grab a 60-ish mm set for longboards or cruiser setups, but not feeling them on popsicle decks. Maybe if I was more focused on street.
  • Bones X-Formula V6 56mm 97A - These are the wheels I skate the most, especially when I feel too lazy to swap out wheels. They work pretty decent on sidewalks and pretty decent at the park, but don't excel in either setting. I prefer the feel of Formula Four on cleaner hard surfaces, but X-formula is a lot more pleasant rolling sidewalks and crust.
  • Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm 99A - Got these barely used. The whole "PP / Bones wheels feel plastic-y" made sense to me after I rode these. Can't fully articulate why, but so far F4 just feel the best to me-- I skate better because I have more feedback on what's happening underfoot. They're ok on decent pavement, but still feel bit sketch on crust to me. As someone still getting the hang of sliding, I'm making the most progress on these... they seem to slide most easily and predictably. I got the sense I didn't like the shape but was getting good vibes on the formula, so I grabbed...
  • Spitfire F4 Conical Fulls 54mm 99A - Also nabbed these barely used. These are probably my favorite wheel I own right now. Really digging this shape. I thought I liked bigger wheels (56+ mm), but I think I just like wider wheels. I've made a lot of progress ollieing on these-- feels like it's because I'm lower to the ground than my 56-58 mm wheels, but the wheel and the contact pact on these is wider than the Dragons or the Spitfire Classic shape. I still don't like them cruising the neighborhood, but they're more manageable than the classics and a lot of fun at the skate park.
  • Spitfire Sapphires 56A 90A - I picked these up on a lark after liking the F4s, they're a bust. I was hoping for a non-cruiser shaped wheel could skate more quietly around my house after dark without pissing off my neighbors, but they feel / sound pretty hard because of the 101A core-- noticeably harder than the Bones X97s IMO. Roll speed doesn't seem the best and are stickier than Dragons or X-formula in slides. I don't really get the target audience except maybe those who think colored clear wheels are cool?

Knowing what i know now from trying a bunch of stuff, I'd settle on two sets of wheels:
  • A comfy all-around X-formula Wheel in a 54 mm for cruising around the neighborhood, probably still in the V6. Probably the X97, maybe the X99.
  • A more performance F4 wheel in a 56 mm for the skate park, maybe a Radial shape? I'm intrigued by 101, but 99 feels pretty darn good to me. Conical Full in a 56 feels too aggressively wide but who knows.
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I enjoyed reading through your wheel assessments, you have a solid process of elimination that seems to be working! May I ask what shape of 54mm Dragon wheels you had? Do you know if they were the narrower V1 or wider V4 shape? PS I do have bad wheel madness at the moment and look forward trying out Dragons (one day) so I'm curious as to how a narrower V1 shape in 54mm would cope with crusty terrain. I'm currently on Spitfire 97a 53mm and like them a lot for general riding around the local streets here in the UK.
Also, I hear you about feeling more comfortable and progressing on smaller wheels, I love how 56mm roll in a straight line but when trying to do anything with the board then my 53mm's certainly feel better/more secure.
Cheers :)
I just measured in the basement, the Dragons I have are 54 x 34, so I guess I got the V4s. I actually didn't realize they were available in multiple shapes lol. I just went into a shop and asked if they had Dragons.

Knowing what I know now, I think I just like Spitfire shapes better. I didn't realize until looking at specs how much wider their riding contact patches are across the board basically.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on August 30, 2023, 06:50:50 PM
So people who run OJ mini combos, do you run the round edge on the inside of the trucks or the outside? I’m intrigued by them, but would want to run the round edge inside. What would having a conical cut on the outside do in terms of performance?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 30, 2023, 07:29:46 PM
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Went a bit gear crazy on wheels over the past ~6 months or so, various thoughts below. I'm still in the try a bunch of shit and figure out what I like stage.

I'm still pretty new to skating at ~2 years in-- couple years more than that longboarding, and I've been snowboarding near 20 years now. I mostly carve simple transition lines in local bowls and cruise sidewalks around the neighborhood. No curbs or rails, wheels stay on the ground. Working on sorting out rocket ollies and sad quasi-slides.

I've only had these wheels on Indy Stage XIs on a couple boards, a 8.25" and a roughly 8.75". Mostly using Bronson G3s, but I have a set of Bones Swiss on dedicated transition wheels.

If matters I'm 6', 210 lbs, size 10.5-11 shoe.

  • OJ Elite Mini Combos 58mm 101a - First set of wheels I bought on this list, local shop guy set me up with these when I said I was mostly interested in carving bowls. I like them, fast, predictable. They feel little sticky sliding but again I don't really now how to slide. They feel a little slick on graffiti'd over concrete transition, but I maybe that'd just what that surface feels like. I think I'd prefer a bigger F4 wheel, but I still like these after having tried a bunch of other wheels. They are awful outside of the skate park, though.
  • PP Dragons 54mm 93A - Bought into the hype but not really digging these for my style. Still have some interest in the formula, but I don't like the shape. I feel oddly wobbly pushing and landing on these wheels, I think the contact patch is narrow for my tastes. The formula is fun for sidewalk cruising, but I HATE the way they feel on smooth concrete transition. I may grab a 60-ish mm set for longboards or cruiser setups, but not feeling them on popsicle decks. Maybe if I was more focused on street.
  • Bones X-Formula V6 56mm 97A - These are the wheels I skate the most, especially when I feel too lazy to swap out wheels. They work pretty decent on sidewalks and pretty decent at the park, but don't excel in either setting. I prefer the feel of Formula Four on cleaner hard surfaces, but X-formula is a lot more pleasant rolling sidewalks and crust.
  • Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm 99A - Got these barely used. The whole "PP / Bones wheels feel plastic-y" made sense to me after I rode these. Can't fully articulate why, but so far F4 just feel the best to me-- I skate better because I have more feedback on what's happening underfoot. They're ok on decent pavement, but still feel bit sketch on crust to me. As someone still getting the hang of sliding, I'm making the most progress on these... they seem to slide most easily and predictably. I got the sense I didn't like the shape but was getting good vibes on the formula, so I grabbed...
  • Spitfire F4 Conical Fulls 54mm 99A - Also nabbed these barely used. These are probably my favorite wheel I own right now. Really digging this shape. I thought I liked bigger wheels (56+ mm), but I think I just like wider wheels. I've made a lot of progress ollieing on these-- feels like it's because I'm lower to the ground than my 56-58 mm wheels, but the wheel and the contact pact on these is wider than the Dragons or the Spitfire Classic shape. I still don't like them cruising the neighborhood, but they're more manageable than the classics and a lot of fun at the skate park.
  • Spitfire Sapphires 56A 90A - I picked these up on a lark after liking the F4s, they're a bust. I was hoping for a non-cruiser shaped wheel could skate more quietly around my house after dark without pissing off my neighbors, but they feel / sound pretty hard because of the 101A core-- noticeably harder than the Bones X97s IMO. Roll speed doesn't seem the best and are stickier than Dragons or X-formula in slides. I don't really get the target audience except maybe those who think colored clear wheels are cool?

Knowing what i know now from trying a bunch of stuff, I'd settle on two sets of wheels:
  • A comfy all-around X-formula Wheel in a 54 mm for cruising around the neighborhood, probably still in the V6. Probably the X97, maybe the X99.
  • A more performance F4 wheel in a 56 mm for the skate park, maybe a Radial shape? I'm intrigued by 101, but 99 feels pretty darn good to me. Conical Full in a 56 feels too aggressively wide but who knows.
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I enjoyed reading through your wheel assessments, you have a solid process of elimination that seems to be working! May I ask what shape of 54mm Dragon wheels you had? Do you know if they were the narrower V1 or wider V4 shape? PS I do have bad wheel madness at the moment and look forward trying out Dragons (one day) so I'm curious as to how a narrower V1 shape in 54mm would cope with crusty terrain. I'm currently on Spitfire 97a 53mm and like them a lot for general riding around the local streets here in the UK.
Also, I hear you about feeling more comfortable and progressing on smaller wheels, I love how 56mm roll in a straight line but when trying to do anything with the board then my 53mm's certainly feel better/more secure.
Cheers :)

Lucky you. They just added what looks like a 53mm V6 shape (their widest and, in my opinion, best)

(https://i.ibb.co/C2nd9Fz/BE768-F81-26-AE-46-C7-84-C5-57-F3-BAAC636-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C2nd9Fz)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on August 31, 2023, 01:32:20 PM
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Dragons are pretty cozy, but for real rattly ground I'd want shock pads. So they didn't work in my cruiser, but they're going on my bigger street setup, which might also work for tranny in a pinch.
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I ran dragons and indy shock pads for a bit, talk about cush.

More recently, ran AF1 lows with the 1/16th pads (they're not hard hard, but not super soft like shocks, middle ground) and the x99s, that was super smooth too.

Nice one both of you for the heads-up, I went through a phase of trying out riser pads a while back and could also recommend Pig Wheels clear soft 1/8" pads. I found them good for rough ground regardless of which wheel I ran including a couple of sets of 101a Pigs and OJs. Ultimately I ditched them as I was finding my whole set-up getting a bit too high for me when trying to do tricks (running Venture Highs).

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Went a bit gear crazy on wheels over the past ~6 months or so, various thoughts below. I'm still in the try a bunch of shit and figure out what I like stage.

I'm still pretty new to skating at ~2 years in-- couple years more than that longboarding, and I've been snowboarding near 20 years now. I mostly carve simple transition lines in local bowls and cruise sidewalks around the neighborhood. No curbs or rails, wheels stay on the ground. Working on sorting out rocket ollies and sad quasi-slides.

I've only had these wheels on Indy Stage XIs on a couple boards, a 8.25" and a roughly 8.75". Mostly using Bronson G3s, but I have a set of Bones Swiss on dedicated transition wheels.

If matters I'm 6', 210 lbs, size 10.5-11 shoe.

  • OJ Elite Mini Combos 58mm 101a - First set of wheels I bought on this list, local shop guy set me up with these when I said I was mostly interested in carving bowls. I like them, fast, predictable. They feel little sticky sliding but again I don't really now how to slide. They feel a little slick on graffiti'd over concrete transition, but I maybe that'd just what that surface feels like. I think I'd prefer a bigger F4 wheel, but I still like these after having tried a bunch of other wheels. They are awful outside of the skate park, though.
  • PP Dragons 54mm 93A - Bought into the hype but not really digging these for my style. Still have some interest in the formula, but I don't like the shape. I feel oddly wobbly pushing and landing on these wheels, I think the contact patch is narrow for my tastes. The formula is fun for sidewalk cruising, but I HATE the way they feel on smooth concrete transition. I may grab a 60-ish mm set for longboards or cruiser setups, but not feeling them on popsicle decks. Maybe if I was more focused on street.
  • Bones X-Formula V6 56mm 97A - These are the wheels I skate the most, especially when I feel too lazy to swap out wheels. They work pretty decent on sidewalks and pretty decent at the park, but don't excel in either setting. I prefer the feel of Formula Four on cleaner hard surfaces, but X-formula is a lot more pleasant rolling sidewalks and crust.
  • Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm 99A - Got these barely used. The whole "PP / Bones wheels feel plastic-y" made sense to me after I rode these. Can't fully articulate why, but so far F4 just feel the best to me-- I skate better because I have more feedback on what's happening underfoot. They're ok on decent pavement, but still feel bit sketch on crust to me. As someone still getting the hang of sliding, I'm making the most progress on these... they seem to slide most easily and predictably. I got the sense I didn't like the shape but was getting good vibes on the formula, so I grabbed...
  • Spitfire F4 Conical Fulls 54mm 99A - Also nabbed these barely used. These are probably my favorite wheel I own right now. Really digging this shape. I thought I liked bigger wheels (56+ mm), but I think I just like wider wheels. I've made a lot of progress ollieing on these-- feels like it's because I'm lower to the ground than my 56-58 mm wheels, but the wheel and the contact pact on these is wider than the Dragons or the Spitfire Classic shape. I still don't like them cruising the neighborhood, but they're more manageable than the classics and a lot of fun at the skate park.
  • Spitfire Sapphires 56A 90A - I picked these up on a lark after liking the F4s, they're a bust. I was hoping for a non-cruiser shaped wheel could skate more quietly around my house after dark without pissing off my neighbors, but they feel / sound pretty hard because of the 101A core-- noticeably harder than the Bones X97s IMO. Roll speed doesn't seem the best and are stickier than Dragons or X-formula in slides. I don't really get the target audience except maybe those who think colored clear wheels are cool?

Knowing what i know now from trying a bunch of stuff, I'd settle on two sets of wheels:
  • A comfy all-around X-formula Wheel in a 54 mm for cruising around the neighborhood, probably still in the V6. Probably the X97, maybe the X99.
  • A more performance F4 wheel in a 56 mm for the skate park, maybe a Radial shape? I'm intrigued by 101, but 99 feels pretty darn good to me. Conical Full in a 56 feels too aggressively wide but who knows.
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I enjoyed reading through your wheel assessments, you have a solid process of elimination that seems to be working! May I ask what shape of 54mm Dragon wheels you had? Do you know if they were the narrower V1 or wider V4 shape? PS I do have bad wheel madness at the moment and look forward trying out Dragons (one day) so I'm curious as to how a narrower V1 shape in 54mm would cope with crusty terrain. I'm currently on Spitfire 97a 53mm and like them a lot for general riding around the local streets here in the UK.
Also, I hear you about feeling more comfortable and progressing on smaller wheels, I love how 56mm roll in a straight line but when trying to do anything with the board then my 53mm's certainly feel better/more secure.
Cheers :)
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I just measured in the basement, the Dragons I have are 54 x 34, so I guess I got the V4s. I actually didn't realize they were available in multiple shapes lol. I just went into a shop and asked if they had Dragons.

Knowing what I know now, I think I just like Spitfire shapes better. I didn't realize until looking at specs how much wider their riding contact patches are across the board basically.

Thanks for the reply, I do also like Spitfires shapes and my current favourite is the classic 53mm - they feel nimble but have a bit of chunk to them. With that being said I'm really up for trying out Dragons (probably the next wheels I'd go for) as my knees aren't feeling great and hope they might just take the edge of some of the ground I like to cover in my local area.
I've noticed you've moved around in sizes (54-56-58 etc.), have you considered sticking to just one size like 56mm in future (and working within their limitations) or do you still enjoy experiencing the change in height? I find personally its quite a big jump from 54 to 56 and I'm considering just sticking to 53mm when I change wheels next in the hope of maintaining any kind of consistency in my skating!

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Went a bit gear crazy on wheels over the past ~6 months or so, various thoughts below. I'm still in the try a bunch of shit and figure out what I like stage.

I'm still pretty new to skating at ~2 years in-- couple years more than that longboarding, and I've been snowboarding near 20 years now. I mostly carve simple transition lines in local bowls and cruise sidewalks around the neighborhood. No curbs or rails, wheels stay on the ground. Working on sorting out rocket ollies and sad quasi-slides.

I've only had these wheels on Indy Stage XIs on a couple boards, a 8.25" and a roughly 8.75". Mostly using Bronson G3s, but I have a set of Bones Swiss on dedicated transition wheels.

If matters I'm 6', 210 lbs, size 10.5-11 shoe.

  • OJ Elite Mini Combos 58mm 101a - First set of wheels I bought on this list, local shop guy set me up with these when I said I was mostly interested in carving bowls. I like them, fast, predictable. They feel little sticky sliding but again I don't really now how to slide. They feel a little slick on graffiti'd over concrete transition, but I maybe that'd just what that surface feels like. I think I'd prefer a bigger F4 wheel, but I still like these after having tried a bunch of other wheels. They are awful outside of the skate park, though.
  • PP Dragons 54mm 93A - Bought into the hype but not really digging these for my style. Still have some interest in the formula, but I don't like the shape. I feel oddly wobbly pushing and landing on these wheels, I think the contact patch is narrow for my tastes. The formula is fun for sidewalk cruising, but I HATE the way they feel on smooth concrete transition. I may grab a 60-ish mm set for longboards or cruiser setups, but not feeling them on popsicle decks. Maybe if I was more focused on street.
  • Bones X-Formula V6 56mm 97A - These are the wheels I skate the most, especially when I feel too lazy to swap out wheels. They work pretty decent on sidewalks and pretty decent at the park, but don't excel in either setting. I prefer the feel of Formula Four on cleaner hard surfaces, but X-formula is a lot more pleasant rolling sidewalks and crust.
  • Spitfire F4 Classics 54mm 99A - Got these barely used. The whole "PP / Bones wheels feel plastic-y" made sense to me after I rode these. Can't fully articulate why, but so far F4 just feel the best to me-- I skate better because I have more feedback on what's happening underfoot. They're ok on decent pavement, but still feel bit sketch on crust to me. As someone still getting the hang of sliding, I'm making the most progress on these... they seem to slide most easily and predictably. I got the sense I didn't like the shape but was getting good vibes on the formula, so I grabbed...
  • Spitfire F4 Conical Fulls 54mm 99A - Also nabbed these barely used. These are probably my favorite wheel I own right now. Really digging this shape. I thought I liked bigger wheels (56+ mm), but I think I just like wider wheels. I've made a lot of progress ollieing on these-- feels like it's because I'm lower to the ground than my 56-58 mm wheels, but the wheel and the contact pact on these is wider than the Dragons or the Spitfire Classic shape. I still don't like them cruising the neighborhood, but they're more manageable than the classics and a lot of fun at the skate park.
  • Spitfire Sapphires 56A 90A - I picked these up on a lark after liking the F4s, they're a bust. I was hoping for a non-cruiser shaped wheel could skate more quietly around my house after dark without pissing off my neighbors, but they feel / sound pretty hard because of the 101A core-- noticeably harder than the Bones X97s IMO. Roll speed doesn't seem the best and are stickier than Dragons or X-formula in slides. I don't really get the target audience except maybe those who think colored clear wheels are cool?

Knowing what i know now from trying a bunch of stuff, I'd settle on two sets of wheels:
  • A comfy all-around X-formula Wheel in a 54 mm for cruising around the neighborhood, probably still in the V6. Probably the X97, maybe the X99.
  • A more performance F4 wheel in a 56 mm for the skate park, maybe a Radial shape? I'm intrigued by 101, but 99 feels pretty darn good to me. Conical Full in a 56 feels too aggressively wide but who knows.
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I enjoyed reading through your wheel assessments, you have a solid process of elimination that seems to be working! May I ask what shape of 54mm Dragon wheels you had? Do you know if they were the narrower V1 or wider V4 shape? PS I do have bad wheel madness at the moment and look forward trying out Dragons (one day) so I'm curious as to how a narrower V1 shape in 54mm would cope with crusty terrain. I'm currently on Spitfire 97a 53mm and like them a lot for general riding around the local streets here in the UK.
Also, I hear you about feeling more comfortable and progressing on smaller wheels, I love how 56mm roll in a straight line but when trying to do anything with the board then my 53mm's certainly feel better/more secure.
Cheers :)
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Lucky you. They just added what looks like a 53mm V6 shape (their widest and, in my opinion, best)

(https://i.ibb.co/C2nd9Fz/BE768-F81-26-AE-46-C7-84-C5-57-F3-BAAC636-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C2nd9Fz)

Cheers for that, that's an interesting new shape/addition at 33mm wide. I have also spotted that a few 53mm V4 shape 34mm wide Dragons are available online from some shops in the UK which could be great too. If I do go for it and get some as my next wheels I'll upload an update for sure!
All the best :)
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Post by: rocklobster on August 31, 2023, 09:54:23 PM
Gave the x99 a quick push around on a friends board today, so quiet and they handled the roughest part of the park with minimal slow down. Couldn't tell if they felt gummy and I was ghost popping or his Thunder were too loose for my liking, no slides too, but I must say I'm impressed.

How do the x97 compare to the x99? Aside from feeling softer, in theory.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on September 02, 2023, 07:54:10 AM
X97 for me was too sticky for ledge skating compared to X99 and too hard for cruising and downhill compared to 93a Dragons.

X99 is my favorite urethane right now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on September 02, 2023, 08:14:17 AM
I talked to whoever runs the Loophole insta a few weeks ago and they said they are going to be switching to a formula that is similar to the nfg formula they were using.
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Post by: Murge on September 02, 2023, 08:42:17 AM

X99 is my favorite urethane right now.

Same here.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on September 02, 2023, 08:46:10 AM
I talked to whoever runs the Loophole insta a few weeks ago and they said they are going to be switching to a formula that is similar to the nfg formula they were using.

Interesting... Who else makes an NFG esque formula?
The Acid REM formula they are on is a very good wheel just very different than NFG
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on September 02, 2023, 09:56:34 AM
Gave the x99 a quick push around on a friends board today, so quiet and they handled the roughest part of the park with minimal slow down. Couldn't tell if they felt gummy and I was ghost popping or his Thunder were too loose for my liking, no slides too, but I must say I'm impressed.

How do the x97 compare to the x99? Aside from feeling softer, in theory.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=123816.msg4043911#msg4043911
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Post by: Buster_Poosey on September 02, 2023, 10:24:44 AM
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Interesting... Who else makes an NFG esque formula?
The Acid REM formula they are on is a very good wheel just very different than NFG

Very possible Acid is working on a new formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on September 02, 2023, 10:45:18 AM
I talked to whoever runs the Loophole insta a few weeks ago and they said they are going to be switching to a formula that is similar to the nfg formula they were using.

wonderful news
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on September 05, 2023, 07:55:02 AM
Now that the dust has cleared somewhat...
How many of you guys prefer Dragons / X Formula over F4?
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Post by: Samsquantch on September 05, 2023, 08:28:01 AM
Now that the dust has cleared somewhat...
How many of you guys prefer Dragons / X Formula over F4?

Count me as one. Keep in mind that I'm older and won't be blowing any minds with my skillz, I just skate transition, curbs and smaller ledges.

Got both Dragons and X97's to try and didn't actually dig them that much at first. Found them weirdly quiet and they felt slower in the park, so went back to skating F4's. X Formula/Dragons were waaay nicer outside of the park, but I barely street skate so it was a non issue.

About a month ago I was bored and decided to try them both again. Not sure if it was breaking/wearing them in a bit more, or just getting use to them, but after a month of alternating between them, I don't see myself going back to F4's. X97's in particular are just the perfect wheel for me, no real speed penalty, more grip, more predictable slide, and now that I've really worn in the sidewalls I don't really get any sticking issues on coping. Someone on here called them "lively" and I think that tracks.

Dragons... a bit rubbery and a bit slower *feeling*, but I still seem to be able to carry speed fine and hit coping without pumping that much harder... they work really well too and I still have fun skating them.

I brought out the F4's again yesterday, and yeah, they're great, but almost felt glassy and skittish in comparison, and didn't really do anything better for me.

So yeah, at this point, X97's are my jam.
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Post by: rikki on September 05, 2023, 08:51:11 AM
It's apples and oranges.

X97s and Dragons are a great, great addition to what's available on the market. Been loving both at my crusty street spots.

However, I don't see the point of switching to them from F4s in smooth concrete parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on September 05, 2023, 08:59:45 AM
However, I don't see the point of switching to them from F4s in smooth concrete parks.

Speaking for myself: Grip
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Murge on September 05, 2023, 09:12:45 AM
I’m on X99s. At this point I have no reason to go back to F4. Monday when I was going in on my bushing madness I had a back up set up that had f4 conical on it. And they felt icy and I didn’t slide any easier on them. So until spitfire does something different or better I have no reason to switch. X99 feels like an F4 that skates crust better. I assume x97 handles crust better than x99 but for what I skate x99 works for me
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Post by: tzhangdox on September 05, 2023, 09:24:36 AM
Still on f4s. Dragons and x97s ride nice, handle crust better and are easier on the legs. But something about the feedback of a hard wheel just still sounds and feels more "right" to me.

I skate mostly ledges, flatbars and curbs and all my tricks are just a tad more on point and consistent with f4s vs dragons/x97s... even if I wax up the obstacle plenty.

Even flatground, unless the ground is awful.

Do happily skate dragons some days when I'm feeling really dusted and just want to roll around easier/push less, and have low expectations though
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on September 05, 2023, 09:40:40 AM
Do happily skate dragons some days when I'm feeling really dusted and just want to roll around easier/push less, and have low expectations though

Yep.

I'm kind of over going super hard and chasing every last bit of edge, my skate sessions are pretty chill and 98% in my comfort zone. Mostly just for fun and fitness. Switching back to the F4's the other day after a month on X Formula, I was surprised how (relatively) icy they felt, and that I needed to be just a bit more "on".

One other thing I've appreciated with the "softer" wheels, is that little bit of extra forgiveness they have getting on and off coping. It's subtle, and probably also helped by how round the V6's are, but you don't get that little moment of hangup I sometimes got with Conicals.

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Post by: bombsaway86 on September 05, 2023, 10:40:31 AM
I’ve had a “daily driver” setup and a crust/slippery park setup for a few years now. I switched from OJ nomads to dragons on the crust board almost two months ago. I rarely rode the crust board when it had OJs, but now I ride it a lot since switching to the dragons. I still prefer F4s on a smooth park, but I now use the dragons on parks where I might have still chosen to ride F4s over the OJs. I live in Washington where we have a lot of crusty old parks, so the dragons have been a game changer for me.

F4s and dragons each excel at something different, so you can’t really say one is better than the other. The winning move is to have a set of each so you can skate your best wherever you go.

I’ve been really impressed with the dragons. I didn’t want to like them because the association with old dudes riding Powell Peralta reissues, but they really are great. I’m definitely turning into the guy who encourages people to ride my board so they can experience them.
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Post by: LebowskisRug on September 05, 2023, 11:48:45 AM
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Yep.

I'm kind of over going super hard and chasing every last bit of edge, my skate sessions are pretty chill and 98% in my comfort zone. Mostly just for fun and fitness. Switching back to the F4's the other day after a month on X Formula, I was surprised how (relatively) icy they felt, and that I needed to be just a bit more "on".

One other thing I've appreciated with the "softer" wheels, is that little bit of extra forgiveness they have getting on and off coping. It's subtle, and probably also helped by how round the V6's are, but you don't get that little moment of hangup I sometimes got with Conicals.

That is likely due to the side profile, but Conicals also might lock in a bit better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on September 05, 2023, 11:57:57 AM

I’ve been really impressed with the dragons. I didn’t want to like them because the association with old dudes riding Powell Peralta reissues, but they really are great. I’m definitely turning into the guy who encourages people to ride my board so they can experience them.

Haha, I can relate a bit too much...

I may not be the Powell reissue guy, but I've gravitated to pretty much exclusively skating a couple Black Label shaped decks, and I'm totally the guy tossing my board to anyone that shows interest. It's fun, I've a had a few of the young 8" deck, 52mm classics guys be like WTF!? This is amazing!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on September 05, 2023, 12:10:33 PM
Most of my friends and people I've let try my setup when I've ridden dragons have been pretty impressed. But also basically all of them were like "this is cool but I couldn't skate this on my normal board it would fuck with me too much, feels wrong, tricks and grinds feel a little off"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on September 05, 2023, 12:18:44 PM
Most of my friends and people I've let try my setup when I've ridden dragons have been pretty impressed. But also basically all of them were like "this is cool but I couldn't skate this on my normal board it would fuck with me too much, feels wrong, tricks and grinds feel a little off"

For sure, they're not the wheel I'd recommend for a "tech" skater, but it is fun when they see how good a big wide deck with softer wheels can feel for just carving around and hitting some slash grinds.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 05, 2023, 03:20:58 PM
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Most of my friends and people I've let try my setup when I've ridden dragons have been pretty impressed. But also basically all of them were like "this is cool but I couldn't skate this on my normal board it would fuck with me too much, feels wrong, tricks and grinds feel a little off"
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For sure, they're not the wheel I'd recommend for a "tech" skater, but it is fun when they see how good a big wide deck with softer wheels can feel for just carving around and hitting some slash grinds.


Probably said this before, but quite a few of the older guys (and some younger guys / kids too) have jumped on the Dragons and said they are perfect for them, usually as all rounders or for vert / big bowls as the vert ramps are usually metal and the new big bowls are quite slippery, so something like that is good for them, not slipping out and just enjoying the ride.

Not a lot of others have been that keen when people have tried each others boards - I have had a go on a couple of boards with them on - but they are a bit of an acquired taste too.

I have other similar feeling older sets of wheels on a couple of boards I skate on those metal / slippery ramps, but the Dragons do perform really well on the sort of places that more grip is needed, usually not really needing to slide a whole lot for most of the people who ride them, so I can easily see why they like them so much.


Some others are on the X97s and think they are the best for everything, so it is down to how much you want to slip and slide or grip and not slip out too.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on September 05, 2023, 08:00:25 PM
On a whim, I ordered the classic formula 51mm bighead shape wheels from the latest Spitfire drop.  I’ve been skating F4’s for basically the past three years.  Has anyone out there gone from F4 to classic formula wheels recently?  Was the difference that noticeable?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 05, 2023, 09:11:34 PM
Not recently but 2 years ago I bought a set of 56mm from someone on here. They were grippier and a bit slower.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 05, 2023, 11:44:14 PM
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Speaking for myself: Grip

I hear you – this is the only thing park-wise for me that might steer me towards the X97s once winter sets in and I have to hit the dusty indoors which can be super slippery. But as for good ol' outdoor concrete, I feel I don't need more grip compared to what F4 provides. Anything else feels kinda weird.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on September 06, 2023, 04:29:31 AM
On a whim, I ordered the classic formula 51mm bighead shape wheels from the latest Spitfire drop.  I’ve been skating F4’s for basically the past three years.  Has anyone out there gone from F4 to classic formula wheels recently?  Was the difference that noticeable?

yes there is a huge difference imo. the classic formula is kinda trash if you ask me... there is nothing special about it at all, feels like basically every other wheel on the market. F4 (from my perspective) was invented to compete with Bones STF to offer a slightly grippier, but still super slidey wheel for long powerslides / noseslides without needing so much wax.

that being said. some top pros actually PREFER the classic formula like Brian Anderson. if you want a way grippier wheel at a significantly cheaper price point, it is a solid option because the classic shape is amazing. he obviously donest have any issue with needing to get the wheels to slide...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 06, 2023, 05:27:04 AM
On a whim, I ordered the classic formula 51mm bighead shape wheels from the latest Spitfire drop.  I’ve been skating F4’s for basically the past three years.  Has anyone out there gone from F4 to classic formula wheels recently?  Was the difference that noticeable?

Yeah and won’t do it again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on September 06, 2023, 09:06:37 AM
On a whim, I ordered the classic formula 51mm bighead shape wheels from the latest Spitfire drop.  I’ve been skating F4’s for basically the past three years.  Has anyone out there gone from F4 to classic formula wheels recently?  Was the difference that noticeable?

They're slower and I flatspotted my set bad in the first hour, then again after a couple days. Deluxe does not cover flatspots on Spitfire classic formula wheels. Never getting them again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 06, 2023, 10:18:59 AM
They're the reason people used to call the brand "Shitfire"
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: big_kev_215 on September 06, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Alright, sounds like a made a disastrous drunk online purchase.  Can’t wait!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: macho taildrop on September 06, 2023, 11:33:12 AM
Counterpoint: I like the classic formula. I think they perform better on crust, particularly in the smaller sizes. I prefer F4 but if they were to disappear I'd run classics. I only ever flatspotted 1 set of the several I've had in my life.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on September 06, 2023, 11:46:22 AM
Alright, sounds like a made a disastrous drunk online purchase.  Can’t wait!
Honestly I enjoyed mine when I had it, right after FF Conical fulls. They are a fun wheel when the pavement is hot. They feel like slick tires lol

Powell sent me another dragon spare, god bless their souls. It is 1mm wider than the other 3 but who cares.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaezan on September 06, 2023, 01:23:25 PM
Anyone ridden the X99 and X97 from Bones? How do they compare to each other?

I really like the X97. I need some new wheels and trying to figure out if I should try the X99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: layzieyez on September 06, 2023, 01:32:15 PM
Was skating the 97 dragons and was surprised I slid out when I did a sharp turn at speed heading for a curb. 

After years of riding bones stf and struggling to powerslide them at times, I was shocked at the slide ability of these.

Lucky for me I stick with spf skating transition. These could be icy in the wrong situation.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Daydream on September 06, 2023, 01:52:42 PM
Why do they call the 97a also dragons. That’s confusing af. Only the && ones are technically dragons nano cubic 97a?
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Post by: intendedreceivers on September 06, 2023, 02:04:25 PM
Why do they call the 97a also dragons. That’s confusing af. Only the && ones are technically dragons nano cubic 97a?

Powell Peralta-branded wheels are Dragon Formula. Bones-branded wheels are X Formula. Chemically, they’re probably the same based on how they market the products.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on September 06, 2023, 05:51:19 PM
Counterpoint: I like the classic formula. I think they perform better on crust, particularly in the smaller sizes. I prefer F4 but if they were to disappear I'd run classics. I only ever flatspotted 1 set of the several I've had in my life.


i have contemplated this, for the smaller size wheels i prefer, so good to hear it worked well for you.

i used to flatspot spitfires a lot. everything flatspotted. i think i remember darkstar wheels being more flatspot resistant (in the year 2000 ish), but they sucked too, cuz darkstar, and also felt like plastic.
i think it may have come from the sheckler via some random video clip, of him having wheels in the freezer and i would put my new wheels in there before i set them up.
also not going out and doing a bunch of speed checks the first day helped. break em in gently maybe. i was such a scrambled person (still am), that i would forget and powerslide immediately.

now i want some bigheads.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 06, 2023, 07:07:36 PM
Alright, sounds like a made a disastrous drunk online purchase.  Can’t wait!


As long as you go easy on them for a bit first, they wear in well enough and hold up reasonably well overall, but that first few sessions is often the make or break, as others have said, flatspotted so quickly if you hit something or slip / slide a little too much without the wheel spinning.

I did the same on a set from someone just speed check and sure enough flatspot in a minute on the wheels, but they were new and after skating them on some rougher carparks the flatspot wore out and they didn't feel half as bad.

Brand new with the lines on them is almost a curse I find, but skating them on something rough enough to wear the lines off and wear them in, they go a whole lot better after that.


I think I have maybe half a dozen sets now from the last year alone that people bought, instantly had small flatspots, wanted to get rid of them, so I bought or swap / traded them in and now have them on some of my boards and they skate well.

More than anything I do prefer them once they have cured a bit too, so that very fresh milky white look always makes me think I am going to have an issue with them, compared to once they have yellowed a little and then I think they are going to feel and perform way better, but that is just me.

Some people hate yellowed wheels and I understand that too.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chris. on September 07, 2023, 04:14:15 AM
I’ve got some 57mm Bigheads that I do like riding.  Slower and grippier for sure but I didn’t expect anything different. I flatspot mine all the time but I kinda like the feeling of riding them out.  And the shape is killer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 07, 2023, 04:20:46 AM
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the non F4 classics when I had them. They were a pleasant surprise. They did not flatspot and 'felt' great. As some pointed out, a bit grippier and somewhat better on crust. However, they wore down really quick, were much slower on most terrains and when I jumped back on F4s I realized I had no need for them. I use 97a F4s if I wanted a similar feel and crust wheel these days.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 07, 2023, 07:10:57 AM
I predict a dip in F4 97 sales because of Bones X97.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on September 07, 2023, 08:17:20 AM
Counterpoint: I like the classic formula. I think they perform better on crust, particularly in the smaller sizes. I prefer F4 but if they were to disappear I'd run classics. I only ever flatspotted 1 set of the several I've had in my life.
yeah exactly some people are just good and they can make any wheel work  ;D
hey man, BA rides it - it cant be that bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 07, 2023, 08:38:23 AM
I got some Nano Cubics recently, I've been rolling around on em for about a week. So far I'm liking them a lot, they're fast, they maintain their speed pretty well and they're relatively quieter than your typical F4 or whatever. &&'s description of the urethane being a "harder Dragon" is pretty accurate, it's pretty similar to Dragon but performs a lot better on smooth ground like skateparks. I'm also really liking the fact that I can't fuck the end of my axles up, it's making me a lot more confident on certain slappies that I would have previously felt like they wouldn't work. Recently there have been multiple frontside slappy attempts I have made where I either didn't lean into it enough or came at the wrong angle or something and ended up not getting all the way up onto the curb, resulting in me primo sliding on the floor of the curb and spinning an axle nut off an axle causing a wheel to fall off and making me walk home to get my T tool with my broken board in my hands. It's good to know I won't do that anymore because that shit is super annoying. Also, for most other wheels I normally put several washers between the hanger and the wheel to push my wheels out more so that I can tighten the nut enough to allow the wheel to have just a hair of play while making the nut perfectly flush with the end of the axle, which is a method of mitigating damage to the end of the axle. I don't have to do that with these, which is rad, I can save my spare washers for some other setup. I can't really think of any objective downsides, although I personally like the idea of a symmetrical wheel more than an asymmetrical one because I'm sure these will cone eventually (despite what && claimed on youtube, George Powell's urethane is great but not infallible), and they will be really awkward to ride flipped. In summation, these wheels perform well while also preventing a lot of the annoying bullshit that typically comes along with contemporary, conventional wheels. 9/10 would buy again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on September 07, 2023, 09:52:26 AM
Is it noticeable difference between 99D and 97D spitfires? I find 99D a little too slippery for indoor parks.
97D might be perfecto? :D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 07, 2023, 10:04:14 AM
I use 97s in the winter bc I'm either at slippery indoor park or skating some shitty ground. They grip a bit better but I do find them  a bit slower. not everyone does. I
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on September 07, 2023, 10:34:15 AM
I got some Nano Cubics recently...

The Dragon and X Formula wheels are all the same urethane, just different durometer, and yeah, they are the real deal. X97's have become my favorite wheel, even in the skatepark.

I really hope they plan to release the Nano's in more sizes, I'd love a set of 54mm or 56mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 07, 2023, 02:58:25 PM
Is it noticeable difference between 99D and 97D spitfires? I find 99D a little too slippery for indoor parks.
97D might be perfecto? :D

I use 97s in the winter bc I'm either at slippery indoor park or skating some shitty ground. They grip a bit better but I do find them  a bit slower. not everyone does. I


Yes, definitely a step down in the slip and slide from 99 to 97 duro in Formula Four, but a good wheel for what I wanted it for, which was newer slippery concrete parks or what I would call slippery ramp surfaces.  The 97s might still be a little slick for some people, for the more slippery indoor park type situation or ramp surfaces, but they still go well for most people, without being like softer duro unslideable wheels, if that makes sense?

I have the 97 duro Classics in 56 mm, Conical Full in 54 mm and now the Radial Full wheels in both 58 (which I sold) and then 54 mm and all of them are good in different ways, the wider surface wheels way more grippy than the Classics but they all have a good feel to them for different things I skate.

Also yes some people do say they are a bit slower, but I don't have any problems with them in the speed department, but I am not hauling ass as fast as I possibly can either.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: boneless900 on September 07, 2023, 04:35:59 PM
I got some Nano Cubics recently, I've been rolling around on em for about a week. So far I'm liking them a lot, they're fast, they maintain their speed pretty well and they're relatively quieter than your typical F4 or whatever. &&'s description of the urethane being a "harder Dragon" is pretty accurate, it's pretty similar to Dragon but performs a lot better on smooth ground like skateparks. I'm also really liking the fact that I can't fuck the end of my axles up, it's making me a lot more confident on certain slappies that I would have previously felt like they wouldn't work. Recently there have been multiple frontside slappy attempts I have made where I either didn't lean into it enough or came at the wrong angle or something and ended up not getting all the way up onto the curb, resulting in me primo sliding on the floor of the curb and spinning an axle nut off an axle causing a wheel to fall off and making me walk home to get my T tool with my broken board in my hands. It's good to know I won't do that anymore because that shit is super annoying. Also, for most other wheels I normally put several washers between the hanger and the wheel to push my wheels out more so that I can tighten the nut enough to allow the wheel to have just a hair of play while making the nut perfectly flush with the end of the axle, which is a method of mitigating damage to the end of the axle. I don't have to do that with these, which is rad, I can save my spare washers for some other setup. I can't really think of any objective downsides, although I personally like the idea of a symmetrical wheel more than an asymmetrical one because I'm sure these will cone eventually (despite what && claimed on youtube, George Powell's urethane is great but not infallible), and they will be really awkward to ride flipped. In summation, these wheels perform well while also preventing a lot of the annoying bullshit that typically comes along with contemporary, conventional wheels. 9/10 would buy again

I've been loving the nano cubes and I would be interested in a 54 mm and maybe a 99x formula if that's not too insane. The shape is real nice, especially for slappies and the 97x formula has slid nicely/consistently for me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on September 07, 2023, 06:38:42 PM
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I got some Nano Cubics recently, I've been rolling around on em for about a week. So far I'm liking them a lot, they're fast, they maintain their speed pretty well and they're relatively quieter than your typical F4 or whatever. &&'s description of the urethane being a "harder Dragon" is pretty accurate, it's pretty similar to Dragon but performs a lot better on smooth ground like skateparks. I'm also really liking the fact that I can't fuck the end of my axles up, it's making me a lot more confident on certain slappies that I would have previously felt like they wouldn't work. Recently there have been multiple frontside slappy attempts I have made where I either didn't lean into it enough or came at the wrong angle or something and ended up not getting all the way up onto the curb, resulting in me primo sliding on the floor of the curb and spinning an axle nut off an axle causing a wheel to fall off and making me walk home to get my T tool with my broken board in my hands. It's good to know I won't do that anymore because that shit is super annoying. Also, for most other wheels I normally put several washers between the hanger and the wheel to push my wheels out more so that I can tighten the nut enough to allow the wheel to have just a hair of play while making the nut perfectly flush with the end of the axle, which is a method of mitigating damage to the end of the axle. I don't have to do that with these, which is rad, I can save my spare washers for some other setup. I can't really think of any objective downsides, although I personally like the idea of a symmetrical wheel more than an asymmetrical one because I'm sure these will cone eventually (despite what && claimed on youtube, George Powell's urethane is great but not infallible), and they will be really awkward to ride flipped. In summation, these wheels perform well while also preventing a lot of the annoying bullshit that typically comes along with contemporary, conventional wheels. 9/10 would buy again
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I've been loving the nano cubes and I would be interested in a 54 mm and maybe a 99x formula if that's not too insane. The shape is real nice, especially for slappies and the 97x formula has slid nicely/consistently for me

i was interested in these, because i don’t really like wheels over 52. these seemed like they’d give me some leeway to skate for transport.
they looked fucked tho. i just don’t think i can do it. and yet i’m intrigued.
but goodness.
to rock up on these, on my little 5.0 lo’s….i just can’t see it.
and yet….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: linty on September 09, 2023, 11:22:09 PM
Anyone thinking of getting a pair of Satori cruiser wheels for filming, don't. So creaky they defeat the purpose of having a more quiet setup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Meathook on September 10, 2023, 07:20:58 AM
I just had my second session on x99 52mm V1’s and I don’t think I’m going back to spitfire anytime soon.  I’ve skated nothing but formula fours since 2014.  These wheels are 2x as fast for 1/2 as many pushes yet still slide fine.  Even the smoothest skatepark I skate, they are still faster.  They handle crustier ground SO much better.

They are undoubtedly less cool than spitfire but this wheel changes my skating for the better.  It unlocks spots 52mm FF can’t handle. 

If you’re on the fence and you don’t always skate the smoothest ground do yourself a favor and try them.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on September 11, 2023, 11:40:18 AM
Ordered some x99 v5 Bones today. The shape seems fairly interesting, like a conical classic. Hopefully don’t end up hating them after f4 99a’s, which has happened many times before for me. Only bones wheels i haven’t hated after f4’s are the 100’s. Stf 103a felt too plasticky and sticky. Didn’t hate sml ag formula and dialtones tho, so hopefully it’ll be fine…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on September 11, 2023, 02:40:19 PM
I also wanna try those && wheels. I need at least 54mm, though, so that's why I'm waiting. Pretty dumb how they didn't at least offer that size outta the gate along with the 52mm. Not worried about them being asymetrical, I'm on the 60mm dragons in the rat bones shape and it's very similar, just less rounded on the outside and it still covers the axle from damage. I rotate the wheels in a diagonal fashion every few sessions and they all stay even.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on September 12, 2023, 12:03:27 PM
I just had my second session on x99 52mm V1’s and I don’t think I’m going back to spitfire anytime soon.  I’ve skated nothing but formula fours since 2014.  These wheels are 2x as fast for 1/2 as many pushes yet still slide fine.  Even the smoothest skatepark I skate, they are still faster.  They handle crustier ground SO much better.

They are undoubtedly less cool than spitfire but this wheel changes my skating for the better.  It unlocks spots 52mm FF can’t handle. 

If you’re on the fence and you don’t always skate the smoothest ground do yourself a favor and try them.

This is useful info, thanks! I tried some f4 classics today and Ive been on wider F4s forever. Switched soon back to wider wheels but boy do these still feel cluncky on even some fairly new asphalt (after skating Dragons). I really dont see why I need Spitfires nowadays because there seem to be superior options available.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Samsquantch on September 12, 2023, 01:03:15 PM
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I just had my second session on x99 52mm V1’s and I don’t think I’m going back to spitfire anytime soon.  I’ve skated nothing but formula fours since 2014.  These wheels are 2x as fast for 1/2 as many pushes yet still slide fine.  Even the smoothest skatepark I skate, they are still faster.  They handle crustier ground SO much better.

They are undoubtedly less cool than spitfire but this wheel changes my skating for the better.  It unlocks spots 52mm FF can’t handle. 

If you’re on the fence and you don’t always skate the smoothest ground do yourself a favor and try them.
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This is useful info, thanks! I tried some f4 classics today and Ive been on wider F4s forever. Switched soon back to wider wheels but boy do these still feel cluncky on even some fairly new asphalt (after skating Dragons). I really dont see why I need Spitfires nowadays because there seem to be superior options available.

Same same, got used to X97's, and now I don't really find F4's as good to skate, feel like I have to be more "on" with them. Prior to that I loved F4's but I'm spoiled now. I don't even think about my wheels anymore, they roll fast, slide when I make them, grip when I don't, they're not bouncy, they're not clunky, they just do their thing and work really well.

I kind of didn't want to like them at first, because hard wheels are cool and have "that sound"... but dammit if the Bones aren't just better to skate for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on September 12, 2023, 06:10:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h48klEk.jpg)

dyed some 60mm classics. after skating conical fulls the classics just feel right
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on September 14, 2023, 06:37:15 PM
I wonder how far the dye penetrated??

I've been thinking of doing this myself, nice work.

Btw I can't go back to F4 after riding X99. I'm now riding on Bones - SPF in ultra smooth park and X99 anywhere else.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: flocke on September 15, 2023, 12:52:06 AM
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I just had my second session on x99 52mm V1’s and I don’t think I’m going back to spitfire anytime soon.  I’ve skated nothing but formula fours since 2014.  These wheels are 2x as fast for 1/2 as many pushes yet still slide fine.  Even the smoothest skatepark I skate, they are still faster.  They handle crustier ground SO much better.

They are undoubtedly less cool than spitfire but this wheel changes my skating for the better.  It unlocks spots 52mm FF can’t handle. 

If you’re on the fence and you don’t always skate the smoothest ground do yourself a favor and try them.
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This is useful info, thanks! I tried some f4 classics today and Ive been on wider F4s forever. Switched soon back to wider wheels but boy do these still feel cluncky on even some fairly new asphalt (after skating Dragons). I really dont see why I need Spitfires nowadays because there seem to be superior options available.
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Same same, got used to X97's, and now I don't really find F4's as good to skate, feel like I have to be more "on" with them. Prior to that I loved F4's but I'm spoiled now. I don't even think about my wheels anymore, they roll fast, slide when I make them, grip when I don't, they're not bouncy, they're not clunky, they just do their thing and work really well.

I kind of didn't want to like them at first, because hard wheels are cool and have "that sound"... but dammit if the Bones aren't just better to skate for me.

same, first i didnt like the x97 coming from f4 99 but after 2-3 session i think im not going back.

I also got used to the sound really quick + my back and knees feel so much better after sessions. I really can recommend them for people with back, knee problems!

Can anybody give a review how diffrent the x99 feel to the x97?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on September 15, 2023, 02:17:08 AM
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I just had my second session on x99 52mm V1’s and I don’t think I’m going back to spitfire anytime soon.  I’ve skated nothing but formula fours since 2014.  These wheels are 2x as fast for 1/2 as many pushes yet still slide fine.  Even the smoothest skatepark I skate, they are still faster.  They handle crustier ground SO much better.

They are undoubtedly less cool than spitfire but this wheel changes my skating for the better.  It unlocks spots 52mm FF can’t handle. 

If you’re on the fence and you don’t always skate the smoothest ground do yourself a favor and try them.
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This is useful info, thanks! I tried some f4 classics today and Ive been on wider F4s forever. Switched soon back to wider wheels but boy do these still feel cluncky on even some fairly new asphalt (after skating Dragons). I really dont see why I need Spitfires nowadays because there seem to be superior options available.
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Same same, got used to X97's, and now I don't really find F4's as good to skate, feel like I have to be more "on" with them. Prior to that I loved F4's but I'm spoiled now. I don't even think about my wheels anymore, they roll fast, slide when I make them, grip when I don't, they're not bouncy, they're not clunky, they just do their thing and work really well.

I kind of didn't want to like them at first, because hard wheels are cool and have "that sound"... but dammit if the Bones aren't just better to skate for me.
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same, first i didnt like the x97 coming from f4 99 but after 2-3 session i think im not going back.

I also got used to the sound really quick + my back and knees feel so much better after sessions. I really can recommend them for people with back, knee problems!

Can anybody give a review how diffrent the x99 feel to the x97?
Because of that I'm really curious about X99, 97 sounds scary.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 15, 2023, 05:09:37 AM
The X97 is a great all-around wheel regardless of whether one has middle age induced challenges or not. Felt very nice at my indoor local (concrete floor w/ plywood transitions/obstacles), not once did I slip out. The jury's still out on whether they are much slower than F4's – anyway, the difference seems marginal.

Interested in giving the X99 a whirl.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on September 15, 2023, 07:40:12 AM
i think if you are willing to put the extra wax, the softer wheel you can get away with the more control you will have. i think this is why abe bethel rocks Dragons evne though he is all about doing 90 foot noseslides... having super icy wheels is fun, but not terribly practical. i am starting to think about going to x97 next as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on September 15, 2023, 08:46:51 AM
Rode the x99’s first time today. Felt super smooth on asphalt in the local park. No problems doing powerslides and reverts. Ledges and rails felt fine, maybe tiny amount stickier than f4 99a but nothing to be concerned about. Overall i would say that they work better (than f4’s and anything else) for that semi-crusty park i usually go to, almost made it feel like some smooth concrete park. I’m stoked.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on September 15, 2023, 12:40:21 PM
Sign me up for the x97s too. i should've bought that sale from the skate shop that was having a sell out.

I like how the X99s change in feel depending on the type of cement. On really smooth cement they're a bit edgy but super controllable. On rougher cement, they grip a little more but slides and reverts are controllable. I don't mind the extra grip on gritty cement that's gonna scrape my limbs off if I tuck n roll lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 17, 2023, 01:36:28 AM
How would you guys compare F4s and X99s speed-wise on smooth surfaces (concrete parks, plywood)? Is there a difference? I wanna go fast in my indoor local, and my current F4 Radials are fast as fuck but can slide out a bit sometimes. X97s felt slightly slower, wonder what's the case with X99s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on September 17, 2023, 10:10:39 AM
F4 97s actually felt really good in indoor park that has slippery floor. ESpecially loved them on wooden mini ramp. Also was not lacking any speed. These my go-to wheels for dusty indoor park now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on September 17, 2023, 11:48:11 AM
How would you guys compare F4s and X99s speed-wise on smooth surfaces (concrete parks, plywood)? Is there a difference? I wanna go fast in my indoor local, and my current F4 Radials are fast as fuck but can slide out a bit sometimes. X97s felt slightly slower, wonder what's the case with X99s.

I find they are the same speed wise. The X99 do feel slower just because they absorb vibration more but you are moving just as fast. They will in theory be slightly faster than the X97s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on September 18, 2023, 12:42:07 PM
Which shape X97 should I try? If its not much smoother than a X99 I'd rather keep it narrow.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GetItStraitRideKrooked on September 18, 2023, 01:57:12 PM
Which shape X97 should I try? If its not much smoother than a X99 I'd rather keep it narrow.

If you'd rather keep it narrow, they make a V5 Sidecut shape that's like a spit conical. I was looking at their shape specs and it looks like the V5 is more narrow than their V1 shape. I think it's the most narrow shape they make for X-Formula.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AlumarX on September 18, 2023, 02:27:36 PM
I'm an idiot, saw the 52 x97 v1 and nabbed it. We'll see how she do. All I do is slappies anyway
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 19, 2023, 12:32:11 AM
I really like the V5 shape, I wish Spitfire had a narrow shape like that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 19, 2023, 04:12:43 PM
I really like the V5 shape, I wish Spitfire had a narrow shape like that.


Is the normal Conical shape not quite what you want?  Not Conical Full, but just Conical?


I have had both come through my hands and they come up fairly close when looking at them, only a single mm in total width difference in the most common sizes, but then it changes a bit more over 54 mm.

They are not as common to get hold of in some areas though.


Conical

52 x 31.3
53 x 32
54 x 32.1


Bones V5

52 x 30
53 x 31
54 x 31


Different compounds though, so that is more the thing for most people I know - they are either a Spitfire guy or a Bones guy, nothing wrong with either - just preference of wheel, which for me is formula first, then shape, etc.

What size wheels do you usually ride?



* Also this is when someone usually says they want the Radial Slim back, which would work well in that profile.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 19, 2023, 11:41:41 PM
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I really like the V5 shape, I wish Spitfire had a narrow shape like that.
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Is the normal Conical shape not quite what you want?  Not Conical Full, but just Conical?


I have had both come through my hands and they come up fairly close when looking at them, only a single mm in total width difference in the most common sizes, but then it changes a bit more over 54 mm.

They are not as common to get hold of in some areas though.


Conical

52 x 31.3
53 x 32
54 x 32.1


Bones V5

52 x 30
53 x 31
54 x 31


Different compounds though, so that is more the thing for most people I know - they are either a Spitfire guy or a Bones guy, nothing wrong with either - just preference of wheel, which for me is formula first, then shape, etc.

What size wheels do you usually ride?



* Also this is when someone usually says they want the Radial Slim back, which would work well in that profile.

Yeah, thanks, the normal Conical is quite close width-wise, but what really matters to me is the riding surface which is considerably wider on the Conicals as compared to the V5. This was a non-issue for me before when I riding mostly F4 and OJs, but after being on the X97 V5s I've grown to like the narrower riding surface.

And yeah, there's of course always the F4 Classic, but still... it's not the same. Y'know. OCD. :)

I normally ride 54 or 55mm wheels. Prolly gonna try the X99 V5s next.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on September 20, 2023, 12:21:56 AM
Isent riding surface kinda... irrelevant? As the wheel wear, it increases in riding surface. And it doesnt take long. My wheels go down 2mm in a month, easly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 20, 2023, 01:44:51 AM
Isent riding surface kinda... irrelevant? As the wheel wear, it increases in riding surface. And it doesnt take long. My wheels go down 2mm in a month, easly.

The wear down factor is exactly one reason why riding surface actually matters.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on September 20, 2023, 06:35:39 AM
How? Spit classics are 33.6mm wide in a size 54, however, riding surface is only 16.4.
A spit conical in size 54, is only 32.1mm wide, but has a wider riding surface of 20.1. It will wear a little bit slower, but it wont take long before they are almost equal, and then the classics will actually have a wider surface.

Wheels wear very fast, imo. I've started buying 54mm wheels (which I hate with passion), instead of 52, bcuz they wear so fast. I cant imagine how my wheels would have been if I skated every single day...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frtzgn95 on September 20, 2023, 08:07:28 AM
How? Spit classics are 33.6mm wide in a size 54, however, riding surface is only 16.4.
A spit conical in size 54, is only 32.1mm wide, but has a wider riding surface of 20.1. It will wear a little bit slower, but it wont take long before they are almost equal, and then the classics will actually have a wider surface.

Wheels wear very fast, imo. I've started buying 54mm wheels (which I hate with passion), instead of 52, bcuz they wear so fast. I cant imagine how my wheels would have been if I skated every single day...

i am very curious the math of the wearing. i wanna know the wearing info of different wheels. i would like to see a poll or discussion topic just for that.

edit: i remember, ben degros said something like "after 6 months, my 52 mm spits wear down to 47 and my trucks dies. i replace them together."

i want to know this type info.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 20, 2023, 08:28:31 AM


Yeah, thanks, the normal Conical is quite close width-wise, but what really matters to me is the riding surface which is considerably wider on the Conicals as compared to the V5. This was a non-issue for me before when I riding mostly F4 and OJs, but after being on the X97 V5s I've grown to like the narrower riding surface.

And yeah, there's of course always the F4 Classic, but still... it's not the same. Y'know. OCD. :)

I normally ride 54 or 55mm wheels. Prolly gonna try the X99 V5s next.


I can see the Bones V5 would be good there, but Bones tend to last longer / don't wear down as fast either, at least the places I have skated them, so that is another plus for you on those ones, which ever formula you go with.

The V5 shape never goes over 32 mm wide either, even up into the 55 or 56 mm sizes, which is another plus for you.


https://bones.com/why/shapes/




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How? Spit classics are 33.6mm wide in a size 54, however, riding surface is only 16.4.
A spit conical in size 54, is only 32.1mm wide, but has a wider riding surface of 20.1. It will wear a little bit slower, but it wont take long before they are almost equal, and then the classics will actually have a wider surface.

Wheels wear very fast, imo. I've started buying 54mm wheels (which I hate with passion), instead of 52, bcuz they wear so fast. I cant imagine how my wheels would have been if I skated every single day...
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i am very curious the math of the wearing. i wanna know the wearing info of different wheels. i would like to see a poll or discussion topic just for that.

edit: i remember, ben degros said something like "after 6 months, my 52 mm spits wear down to 47 and my trucks dies. i replace them together."

i want to know this type info.


As much as I used to ride bigger wheels, up to 59 mm Bigheads, but more commonly the 56 or 57 mm big wide but rounded profile before Formula Four came out, now I prefer Classics, usually in 55 to 56 mm width if I am skating them from new, but then I like them more when they are at around 53 to 54 mm with a wider riding surface, which is what the Classic Full wheels sort of look like, once normal Classic wheels wear down some, or the Radial shape if you are taking them down further than that.

Even the normal 54 mm Classics shape is nice in 52 mm on a board I have, but with some other wheels, if they are thinner right through, then the riding surface will also stay thin, so they will not widen out as much as some other shapes and maybe perform more like new, or mush out / catch the edges a little less, if that makes sense.


Just to throw in some crazy wheel madness, I have a friend who rides Conical Full 54 mm wheels, from new down to 52 - 53 mm and then I buy / swap him back some new ones for his old ones and use an angle grinder on the edges to round them off a little more, so I have what feels like nice wide, rounded off wheels in about the right size for most of my skating now, where I wouldn't get that size and shape of wheel from anywhere without some skating them in a lot first.

If you are keen, I can measure a few sets and give you some numbers as to what they actually end up as, from every mm from new down to worn out and done, as I have a whole lot of well used, finished with or otherwise random wheels missing full sets or whatever.

Any which way, it is interesting to see how they shape down, from Classic through Radial shape to fat Tablets and whatever else in between.



Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Barack Hussein on September 20, 2023, 09:41:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/h48klEk.jpg)

dyed some 60mm classics. after skating conical fulls the classics just feel right

These look sick! Whats the technique on dyeing wheels like that? I've heard Rit Synthetic is good, but I've always wondered if heating up the wheels messes with the feel at all. I wanna try.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on September 20, 2023, 09:44:17 AM
@Mbrimson88 angle grinded wheels are the bomb! Closest I could get to Radial Slims since DLX stopped producing them. I'd continue to ride the few sets he passed me but I rode them down to 50mm which is torture for the ride from bus stop to park.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vintagebody on September 20, 2023, 10:05:53 AM
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How? Spit classics are 33.6mm wide in a size 54, however, riding surface is only 16.4.
A spit conical in size 54, is only 32.1mm wide, but has a wider riding surface of 20.1. It will wear a little bit slower, but it wont take long before they are almost equal, and then the classics will actually have a wider surface.

Wheels wear very fast, imo. I've started buying 54mm wheels (which I hate with passion), instead of 52, bcuz they wear so fast. I cant imagine how my wheels would have been if I skated every single day...
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i am very curious the math of the wearing. i wanna know the wearing info of different wheels. i would like to see a poll or discussion topic just for that.

edit: i remember, ben degros said something like "after 6 months, my 52 mm spits wear down to 47 and my trucks dies. i replace them together."

i want to know this type info.

Thats gonne be some tough math! Wheel wear is dependent on things like rider weight, ground, temperature etc.
But yes, I used to skate 52mm classic spits, and they did get to like 50mm within 2 months, so its in route with Ben Degros. I'd imagine im heavier and skate shittier ground then him too...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frtzgn95 on September 20, 2023, 12:24:41 PM

If you are keen, I can measure a few sets and give you some numbers as to what they actually end up as, from every mm from new down to worn out and done, as I have a whole lot of well used, finished with or otherwise random wheels missing full sets or whatever.

Any which way, it is interesting to see how they shape down, from Classic through Radial shape to fat Tablets and whatever else in between.

goblin in my head whispering me to ask you for more info. it is not madness, right?


Thats gonne be some tough math! Wheel wear is dependent on things like rider weight, ground, temperature etc.
But yes, I used to skate 52mm classic spits, and they did get to like 50mm within 2 months, so its in route with Ben Degros. I'd imagine im heavier and skate shittier ground then him too...

it makes sense that it didn't go down to 46 coz it is getting wider and slower for wearing after 6 months.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on September 20, 2023, 05:31:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h48klEk.jpg)

dyed some 60mm classics. after skating conical fulls the classics just feel right

These looks awesome!  Any updated pics on the board or after skating them?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 20, 2023, 07:52:08 PM
@Mbrimson88 angle grinded wheels are the bomb! Closest I could get to Radial Slims since DLX stopped producing them. I'd continue to ride the few sets he passed me but I rode them down to 50mm which is torture for the ride from bus stop to park.


Time for you to get one of those small battery angle grinders???

They really do come in handy for me, out and about to do things, but I am not thinking you would take it everywhere, just out when you want to fix some wheels and don't want the noise around home.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on September 21, 2023, 06:47:54 AM
I gotta save my money for this next mechanic bill coming up... I reaaaallllly want to get one... $139 Canadian (i have some dewalt batteries already for my trimmer so can save some money buying tool only) would love to make some Road Bike Tires  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on September 22, 2023, 05:45:10 AM
HLC just posted a video saying something like after 4 years of R and D that they gonna start pouring wheels, have skated a couple shop HLC decks and they’ve been pretty good, not to mention my homie at the park got one of those skate mafia minis and we’ve been having fun on that as well, wonder if the wheels are gonna be worth a shit 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AdditionalSlip on September 22, 2023, 05:57:50 AM
HLC just posted a video saying something like after 4 years of R and D that they gonna start pouring wheels, have skated a couple shop HLC decks and they’ve been pretty good, not to mention my homie at the park got one of those skate mafia minis and we’ve been having fun on that as well, wonder if the wheels are gonna be worth a shit

A local skateshop handed some prototypes out round here, people like them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on September 22, 2023, 06:43:07 AM
HLC just posted a video saying something like after 4 years of R and D that they gonna start pouring wheels, have skated a couple shop HLC decks and they’ve been pretty good, not to mention my homie at the park got one of those skate mafia minis and we’ve been having fun on that as well, wonder if the wheels are gonna be worth a shit

Wrong thread, sorry.
I can’t look past HLC’s “one wheelbase fits all”-philosophy.
Any info if they will offer multiple sizes?
I wonder if all sizes be same width.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on September 22, 2023, 06:44:04 AM
Here’s a link to HLC’s catalog for those interested:

https://mfg.hlcdist.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/hlc-oem-catalogue-skateboard.pdf
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BALARGUE on September 22, 2023, 07:15:06 AM
i was handed a prototype in march (Butter formula / S.R shape you can find in the catalog given by @Richard Skidder). They said it's supposed to be as good as F4s. I was kinda sceptical at first and asked for a sample to try them. I gotta admit i've been pleased by how they perform. For all these months I didn't feel the need to swap them for my usual F4s (and i wanted to test their durability too).
They feel a bit different from F4 but not in a bad way (hard to describe though), they are great and they will be way less expensive (70€-75€ for F4 is a bit too much).
I'm really considering making a run of these wheels for my shop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on September 22, 2023, 08:45:10 AM
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HLC just posted a video saying something like after 4 years of R and D that they gonna start pouring wheels, have skated a couple shop HLC decks and they’ve been pretty good, not to mention my homie at the park got one of those skate mafia minis and we’ve been having fun on that as well, wonder if the wheels are gonna be worth a shit
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Wrong thread, sorry.
I can’t look past HLC’s “one wheelbase fits all”-philosophy.
Any info if they will offer multiple sizes?
I wonder if all sizes be same width.
Sure they love that 14.2, crazy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on September 22, 2023, 09:09:51 AM
i was handed a prototype in march (Butter formula / S.R shape you can find in the catalog given by @Richard Skidder). They said it's supposed to be as good as F4s. I was kinda sceptical at first and asked for a sample to try them. I gotta admit i've been pleased by how they perform. For all these months I didn't feel the need to swap them for my usual F4s (and i wanted to test their durability too).
They feel a bit different from F4 but not in a bad way (hard to describe though), they are great and they will be way less expensive (70€-75€ for F4 is a bit too much).
I'm really considering making a run of these wheels for my shop.

I'm wondering if maybe these are the new formula that is "more like NFG" someone mentioned for Loophole a little bit ago
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FandomCereal on September 22, 2023, 10:31:43 AM
anyone ever had any of these? found them on amazon, once the cal7 razortails i'm gonna try making my own board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on September 22, 2023, 10:53:11 AM
anyone ever had any of these? found them on amazon, once the cal7 razortails i'm gonna try making my own board

I'm skating the Nano Cubics right now they're pretty good. Haven't skated Super Juices but I know people that have and I've heard good things. Never skated that other one.

I would recommend Nano Cubics if you intend on skating skateparks or street spots. They're good for cruising too but not ideal. I would recommend the Super Juices if you specifically intend on cruising, they'll handle all the rough terrain you can imagine but won't do so well at skateparks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on September 22, 2023, 11:25:57 AM
I cant explain it and don't have any good reason, but something about the shape of the nano cubics deeply offends me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 22, 2023, 12:30:25 PM
anyone ever had any of these? found them on amazon, once the cal7 razortails i'm gonna try making my own board

Super Juices rule if you’re just skating hills or using your board as a mode of transportation.

The 95a OJ/Slimeballs are kinda obsolete now that dragons and x97 exist. They’re grippy but feel slow and unresponsive.

I haven’t skated the nano cubics, I’m not into the shape. The urethane is good though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on September 22, 2023, 01:17:54 PM
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i was handed a prototype in march (Butter formula / S.R shape you can find in the catalog given by @Richard Skidder). They said it's supposed to be as good as F4s. I was kinda sceptical at first and asked for a sample to try them. I gotta admit i've been pleased by how they perform. For all these months I didn't feel the need to swap them for my usual F4s (and i wanted to test their durability too).
They feel a bit different from F4 but not in a bad way (hard to describe though), they are great and they will be way less expensive (70€-75€ for F4 is a bit too much).
I'm really considering making a run of these wheels for my shop.
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I'm wondering if maybe these are the new formula that is "more like NFG" someone mentioned for Loophole a little bit ago

I thought they were going through acid wheel co or whatever? Wonder if they gonna switch up again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Maccat on September 22, 2023, 01:25:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/h48klEk.jpg)

dyed some 60mm classics. after skating conical fulls the classics just feel right

Can’t do colored wheels, but this combo you did a hell of a job on. Can’t go wrong with red and black.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on September 22, 2023, 01:30:33 PM
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i was handed a prototype in march (Butter formula / S.R shape you can find in the catalog given by @Richard Skidder). They said it's supposed to be as good as F4s. I was kinda sceptical at first and asked for a sample to try them. I gotta admit i've been pleased by how they perform. For all these months I didn't feel the need to swap them for my usual F4s (and i wanted to test their durability too).
They feel a bit different from F4 but not in a bad way (hard to describe though), they are great and they will be way less expensive (70€-75€ for F4 is a bit too much).
I'm really considering making a run of these wheels for my shop.
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I'm wondering if maybe these are the new formula that is "more like NFG" someone mentioned for Loophole a little bit ago
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I thought they were going through acid wheel co or whatever? Wonder if they gonna switch up again

Definitely through Acid right now but unless Acid has a new formula that is wildly different than what they have currently they are very not NFG like.  Really solid wheel just not like NFG
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on September 22, 2023, 04:58:47 PM
interesting that they are going 99a and 98a, if anyone has experience and can speak to the difference in the two that'd be cool
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jimgrude on September 22, 2023, 07:22:47 PM
I cant explain it and don't have any good reason, but something about the shape of the nano cubics deeply offends me

Then you're effectively hating on 40 years of skateboarding history. The cubic shape is classic, and was a really important wheel for the progression of street, slappies, and more technical transition skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: BALARGUE on September 23, 2023, 01:06:54 AM
interesting that they are going 99a and 98a, if anyone has experience and can speak to the difference in the two that'd be cool

The butter formula I’m using is 98a.
It’s not like it feels way different than 99a (F4 being my gotos).
It’s been months soooo I’ll swap them with my F4 99a during the weekend and report back

My engineer opinion is humans aren’t able to feel the difference between a 98a and a 99a like a machine would measure it… especially across brands.
I could even say it’s nothing but a number (and some product segmentation / marketing) and what matters is the material / the formula / the feeling you get.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on September 23, 2023, 01:34:11 AM
i was handed a prototype in march (Butter formula / S.R shape you can find in the catalog given by @Richard Skidder). They said it's supposed to be as good as F4s. I was kinda sceptical at first and asked for a sample to try them. I gotta admit i've been pleased by how they perform. For all these months I didn't feel the need to swap them for my usual F4s (and i wanted to test their durability too).
They feel a bit different from F4 but not in a bad way (hard to describe though), they are great and they will be way less expensive (70€-75€ for F4 is a bit too much).
I'm really considering making a run of these wheels for my shop.

Hope you do!
Sign me the fuck up for 52mm SR shape butters. They look sick.
You have any gist of what the pricing will be like?
I guess it’ll be somewhat depend on the volume one orders?

Here’s a link to HLC’s catalog for those interested:

https://mfg.hlcdist.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/hlc-oem-catalogue-skateboard.pdf
Thanks 🙏
They actually look really promising. Hoping brands available to me chooses to pick up sizes/shapes I’m into.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on September 23, 2023, 01:37:40 AM
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interesting that they are going 99a and 98a, if anyone has experience and can speak to the difference in the two that'd be cool
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My engineer opinion is humans aren’t able to feel the difference between a 98a and a 99a like a machine would measure it… especially across brands.
I could even say it’s nothing but a number (and some product segmentation / marketing) and what matters is the material / the formula / the feeling you get.

You are absolutely correct. I’ve seen a few tests where the wheels will be several points off from what they are marketed as. I’ve also seen 4 wheels from the same package measure all different duros
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Dong Hanglo on September 23, 2023, 04:15:34 AM
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I cant explain it and don't have any good reason, but something about the shape of the nano cubics deeply offends me
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Then you're effectively hating on 40 years of skateboarding history. The cubic shape is classic, and was a really important wheel for the progression of street, slappies, and more technical transition skating.

I also think that cubic wheels look gross. Symmetrical shapes are balanced and timeless. I feel like lock-ins and Nano cubics are gimmicky designs that are lying to children.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 23, 2023, 08:40:32 AM
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I cant explain it and don't have any good reason, but something about the shape of the nano cubics deeply offends me
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Then you're effectively hating on 40 years of skateboarding history. The cubic shape is classic, and was a really important wheel for the progression of street, slappies, and more technical transition skating.
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I also think that cubic wheels look gross. Symmetrical shapes are balanced and timeless. I feel like lock-ins and Nano cubics are gimmicky designs that are lying to children.

I read a Natas interview where he said he was really glad to ditch the big bulky powell wheels and get on some santa cruz freestyle wheels... that's where the progress really exploded.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on September 23, 2023, 08:48:01 AM
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interesting that they are going 99a and 98a, if anyone has experience and can speak to the difference in the two that'd be cool
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The butter formula I’m using is 98a.
It’s not like it feels way different than 99a (F4 being my gotos).
It’s been months soooo I’ll swap them with my F4 99a during the weekend and report back

My engineer opinion is humans aren’t able to feel the difference between a 98a and a 99a like a machine would measure it… especially across brands.
I could even say it’s nothing but a number (and some product segmentation / marketing) and what matters is the material / the formula / the feeling you get.
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interesting that they are going 99a and 98a, if anyone has experience and can speak to the difference in the two that'd be cool
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My engineer opinion is humans aren’t able to feel the difference between a 98a and a 99a like a machine would measure it… especially across brands.
I could even say it’s nothing but a number (and some product segmentation / marketing) and what matters is the material / the formula / the feeling you get.
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You are absolutely correct. I’ve seen a few tests where the wheels will be several points off from what they are marketed as. I’ve also seen 4 wheels from the same package measure all different duros

thanks you two, that's exactly the info i was after. looking forward to the f4 comparison
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on September 23, 2023, 09:56:18 AM
HLC just posted a video saying something like after 4 years of R and D that they gonna start pouring wheels, have skated a couple shop HLC decks and they’ve been pretty good, not to mention my homie at the park got one of those skate mafia minis and we’ve been having fun on that as well, wonder if the wheels are gonna be worth a shit

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i was handed a prototype in march (Butter formula / S.R shape you can find in the catalog given by @Richard Skidder). They said it's supposed to be as good as F4s. I was kinda sceptical at first and asked for a sample to try them. I gotta admit i've been pleased by how they perform. For all these months I didn't feel the need to swap them for my usual F4s (and i wanted to test their durability too).
They feel a bit different from F4 but not in a bad way (hard to describe though), they are great and they will be way less expensive (70€-75€ for F4 is a bit too much).
I'm really considering making a run of these wheels for my shop.
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Hope you do!
Sign me the fuck up for 52mm SR shape butters. They look sick.
You have any gist of what the pricing will be like?
I guess it’ll be somewhat depend on the volume one orders?

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Here’s a link to HLC’s catalog for those interested:

https://mfg.hlcdist.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/hlc-oem-catalogue-skateboard.pdf
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Thanks 🙏
They actually look really promising. Hoping brands available to me chooses to pick up sizes/shapes I’m into.

I'm intrigued by these new HLC wheels for sure (I already like HLC/Jart/Sour deck shapes with their 14.2 wheelbases:) I also think its nice that there will be some made in Europe wheel options too. I certainly don't think it will hurt for Spitfire and Powell/Bones to have some extra competition and agree that their current prices feel somewhat too high (at least here in England where you're talking around £60.00/$73.00 for dragons, F4's etc).   
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on September 23, 2023, 02:27:09 PM
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I cant explain it and don't have any good reason, but something about the shape of the nano cubics deeply offends me
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Then you're effectively hating on 40 years of skateboarding history. The cubic shape is classic, and was a really important wheel for the progression of street, slappies, and more technical transition skating.
[close]

I also think that cubic wheels look gross. Symmetrical shapes are balanced and timeless. I feel like lock-ins and Nano cubics are gimmicky designs that are lying to children.
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I read a Natas interview where he said he was really glad to ditch the big bulky powell wheels and get on some santa cruz freestyle wheels... that's where the progress really exploded.


the oj 2s? i’m probably misremembering, but a kid in the neighborhood had a set, off of a freestyle board. they were pink. and much smaller, fascinating to look at, as the regular wheel seemed like 60 ish slimeballs
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 24, 2023, 12:44:28 AM
Been enjoying Dragons on crusty asphalt -- no revelation there. However, tried them at my local indoor park (concrete floor with plywood transitions and ramps, all smooth) for the first time yesterday and wasn't feeling them at all. Ok, the upside is that they hardly ever slip out, but otherwise they felt like woollen socks. First and foremost I missed the controlled slide I can achieve with F4 99s. The latter can slip out easier but I'll take that risk for a better feel. Plus on smooth surfaces Dragons literally make no sound, which feels weird and too cruiser-y.

And yeah, the difference is not huge, but they are slower than normal hard wheels. No surprise there of course. On the plus side, they didn't really hinder my grinds on metal coping, didn't feel too sticky at all.

Anyway, I might just stick with F4s at parks from now on. Maybe gonna give the X99s a shot at some point.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on September 24, 2023, 10:05:42 AM
thanks y’all. for the dye. i used rit synthetic. initial boil.  afterwards sat in the bucket for like 3 days. haven’t skated as much so can’t tell about the wear but no problems so far. only notice is that they break into slides much easily but that’s probably cus i came from conical fulls. i’ll post an update pic soon
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Twig88 on September 25, 2023, 05:18:05 AM
I don't know if this is particularly useful, but I've been back-to-backing the Ricta Cloud 92 (56mm) and the Dragons (55mm) for the past few weeks both in the streets of London and bombing hills and cobbles in Switzerland and hopefully can provide some insight.

Clouds provide a better, more consistent grip. I can hold on to harder turns a bit longer without sliding, especially on rougher ground and they do still powerslide pretty consistently, but I have had times when the wheels grabbed randomly. On some slappies etc. i didn't have too many issues with sliding but they are definitely a soft wheel. They feel softer than the dragon both when popping and landing but they also still work fine for street tricks, I don't find them super bouncy but they do absord some of the pop. If sound bothers you, they sound much softer than the Dragon too, they are also MUCH slower on smooth surfaces.

By contrast, Dragons don't feel like a soft wheel to me. I have always preferred a wheel more in the 97-99 range even for street/park back when I was actually a semi decent skater. In terms of bounce/pop etc, the Dragons feel more like those wheels than a cruiser, but they do absorb a ton of vibrations from rough ground. They slide faster and more consistently than the Clouds, and roll MUCH faster on solid ground.

I wouldn't go so far as to back the claim that they slide like a 101 and handle rough ground like a cruiser wheel, that is marketing nonsense. However, they do probably 'feel' like a ~97 wheel in the park and on tricks, and at the same time, they handle rough terrain more or less as well as the 92a Clouds. There is more vibration/feedback from the board but they actually roll just as well.

Essentially, while I think the difference is overstated (Clouds actually slide ok and you can do street tricks, they aren't terrible) there is no reason to ever buy any other wheel in the ~90-95a range because the Dragon is so much better for proper skating while being just as good for cruising around. It's annoying they only offer the V1 shape in 58mm but I will swap my Clouds out for a V6 56mm Dragon as soon as I can find a set at a decent price. Once you drop down into the mid-80s duro range you are getting a wheel that rolls better, but if you ride street spots anywhere in Europe (outside of plaza countries) and actually push around the city, I would argue the Dragon is probably the only wheel worth buying. Maybe if you have young legs the Bones X Formula would be better, but for most, the Dragon is worth the hype.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on September 25, 2023, 10:36:18 AM
Been enjoying Dragons on crusty asphalt -- no revelation there. However, tried them at my local indoor park (concrete floor with plywood transitions and ramps, all smooth) for the first time yesterday and wasn't feeling them at all. Ok, the upside is that they hardly ever slip out, but otherwise they felt like woollen socks. First and foremost I missed the controlled slide I can achieve with F4 99s. The latter can slip out easier but I'll take that risk for a better feel. Plus on smooth surfaces Dragons literally make no sound, which feels weird and too cruiser-y.

And yeah, the difference is not huge, but they are slower than normal hard wheels. No surprise there of course. On the plus side, they didn't really hinder my grinds on metal coping, didn't feel too sticky at all.

Anyway, I might just stick with F4s at parks from now on. Maybe gonna give the X99s a shot at some point.

I don't know if this is particularly useful, but I've been back-to-backing the Ricta Cloud 92 (56mm) and the Dragons (55mm) for the past few weeks both in the streets of London and bombing hills and cobbles in Switzerland and hopefully can provide some insight.

Clouds provide a better, more consistent grip. I can hold on to harder turns a bit longer without sliding, especially on rougher ground and they do still powerslide pretty consistently, but I have had times when the wheels grabbed randomly. On some slappies etc. i didn't have too many issues with sliding but they are definitely a soft wheel. They feel softer than the dragon both when popping and landing but they also still work fine for street tricks, I don't find them super bouncy but they do absord some of the pop. If sound bothers you, they sound much softer than the Dragon too, they are also MUCH slower on smooth surfaces.

By contrast, Dragons don't feel like a soft wheel to me. I have always preferred a wheel more in the 97-99 range even for street/park back when I was actually a semi decent skater. In terms of bounce/pop etc, the Dragons feel more like those wheels than a cruiser, but they do absorb a ton of vibrations from rough ground. They slide faster and more consistently than the Clouds, and roll MUCH faster on solid ground.

I wouldn't go so far as to back the claim that they slide like a 101 and handle rough ground like a cruiser wheel, that is marketing nonsense. However, they do probably 'feel' like a ~97 wheel in the park and on tricks, and at the same time, they handle rough terrain more or less as well as the 92a Clouds. There is more vibration/feedback from the board but they actually roll just as well.

Essentially, while I think the difference is overstated (Clouds actually slide ok and you can do street tricks, they aren't terrible) there is no reason to ever buy any other wheel in the ~90-95a range because the Dragon is so much better for proper skating while being just as good for cruising around. It's annoying they only offer the V1 shape in 58mm but I will swap my Clouds out for a V6 56mm Dragon as soon as I can find a set at a decent price. Once you drop down into the mid-80s duro range you are getting a wheel that rolls better, but if you ride street spots anywhere in Europe (outside of plaza countries) and actually push around the city, I would argue the Dragon is probably the only wheel worth buying. Maybe if you have young legs the Bones X Formula would be better, but for most, the Dragon is worth the hype.

I know they've been out for a while but I enjoyed reading both of your assessment of Dragons, I've just grabbed my first set of 53mm V4 shape Dragons from one of my local shops and hope to have them set up by the end of the week. I'll be changing from Spitfire 97d 53mm classics so I'm looking forward to comparing those myself!
PS Twig88 The comparison with Ricta Clouds was really useful to me as I'd been considering trying them for a while, I'm curious did you have the Cored or Standard 56mm 92a's? As a side note, have you had any experience with Rictas 95a Crystal Cores? I've only caught the odd review of them here and there online but the feedback on them looks good. The largest size they make of those is 54mm which might be limiting for some.
Cheers!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on September 25, 2023, 12:21:35 PM
probably already been asked buuuuuuuut: what’s better for adverse riding surfaces, wide and short, or tall and narrow?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on September 25, 2023, 09:58:12 PM
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Been enjoying Dragons on crusty asphalt -- no revelation there. However, tried them at my local indoor park (concrete floor with plywood transitions and ramps, all smooth) for the first time yesterday and wasn't feeling them at all. Ok, the upside is that they hardly ever slip out, but otherwise they felt like woollen socks. First and foremost I missed the controlled slide I can achieve with F4 99s. The latter can slip out easier but I'll take that risk for a better feel. Plus on smooth surfaces Dragons literally make no sound, which feels weird and too cruiser-y.

And yeah, the difference is not huge, but they are slower than normal hard wheels. No surprise there of course. On the plus side, they didn't really hinder my grinds on metal coping, didn't feel too sticky at all.

Anyway, I might just stick with F4s at parks from now on. Maybe gonna give the X99s a shot at some point.
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I don't know if this is particularly useful, but I've been back-to-backing the Ricta Cloud 92 (56mm) and the Dragons (55mm) for the past few weeks both in the streets of London and bombing hills and cobbles in Switzerland and hopefully can provide some insight.

Clouds provide a better, more consistent grip. I can hold on to harder turns a bit longer without sliding, especially on rougher ground and they do still powerslide pretty consistently, but I have had times when the wheels grabbed randomly. On some slappies etc. i didn't have too many issues with sliding but they are definitely a soft wheel. They feel softer than the dragon both when popping and landing but they also still work fine for street tricks, I don't find them super bouncy but they do absord some of the pop. If sound bothers you, they sound much softer than the Dragon too, they are also MUCH slower on smooth surfaces.

By contrast, Dragons don't feel like a soft wheel to me. I have always preferred a wheel more in the 97-99 range even for street/park back when I was actually a semi decent skater. In terms of bounce/pop etc, the Dragons feel more like those wheels than a cruiser, but they do absorb a ton of vibrations from rough ground. They slide faster and more consistently than the Clouds, and roll MUCH faster on solid ground.

I wouldn't go so far as to back the claim that they slide like a 101 and handle rough ground like a cruiser wheel, that is marketing nonsense. However, they do probably 'feel' like a ~97 wheel in the park and on tricks, and at the same time, they handle rough terrain more or less as well as the 92a Clouds. There is more vibration/feedback from the board but they actually roll just as well.

Essentially, while I think the difference is overstated (Clouds actually slide ok and you can do street tricks, they aren't terrible) there is no reason to ever buy any other wheel in the ~90-95a range because the Dragon is so much better for proper skating while being just as good for cruising around. It's annoying they only offer the V1 shape in 58mm but I will swap my Clouds out for a V6 56mm Dragon as soon as I can find a set at a decent price. Once you drop down into the mid-80s duro range you are getting a wheel that rolls better, but if you ride street spots anywhere in Europe (outside of plaza countries) and actually push around the city, I would argue the Dragon is probably the only wheel worth buying. Maybe if you have young legs the Bones X Formula would be better, but for most, the Dragon is worth the hype.
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I know they've been out for a while but I enjoyed reading both of your assessment of Dragons, I've just grabbed my first set of 53mm V4 shape Dragons from one of my local shops and hope to have them set up by the end of the week. I'll be changing from Spitfire 97d 53mm classics so I'm looking forward to comparing those myself!
PS Twig88 The comparison with Ricta Clouds was really useful to me as I'd been considering trying them for a while, I'm curious did you have the Cored or Standard 56mm 92a's? As a side note, have you had any experience with Rictas 95a Crystal Cores? I've only caught the odd review of them here and there online but the feedback on them looks good. The largest size they make of those is 54mm which might be limiting for some.
Cheers!

Good to hear, glad if my post was useful. Mind you, although I sounded critical of the Dragons regarding using them on smooth surfaces, I still think it's an awesome wheel on crusty asphalt / rough ground.

Having said that, I'm kinda leaning towards the X97s these days on crust because it feels a bit more lively and "real" than Dragons, but that's just me. Dragons are not the wheel to end all wheels, but on rough ground they are definitely worth the hype. I love the powerslide on them on asphalt and the speed they carry over shitty ground.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on September 25, 2023, 10:53:09 PM
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Been enjoying Dragons on crusty asphalt -- no revelation there. However, tried them at my local indoor park (concrete floor with plywood transitions and ramps, all smooth) for the first time yesterday and wasn't feeling them at all. Ok, the upside is that they hardly ever slip out, but otherwise they felt like woollen socks. First and foremost I missed the controlled slide I can achieve with F4 99s. The latter can slip out easier but I'll take that risk for a better feel. Plus on smooth surfaces Dragons literally make no sound, which feels weird and too cruiser-y.

And yeah, the difference is not huge, but they are slower than normal hard wheels. No surprise there of course. On the plus side, they didn't really hinder my grinds on metal coping, didn't feel too sticky at all.

Anyway, I might just stick with F4s at parks from now on. Maybe gonna give the X99s a shot at some point.
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I don't know if this is particularly useful, but I've been back-to-backing the Ricta Cloud 92 (56mm) and the Dragons (55mm) for the past few weeks both in the streets of London and bombing hills and cobbles in Switzerland and hopefully can provide some insight.

Clouds provide a better, more consistent grip. I can hold on to harder turns a bit longer without sliding, especially on rougher ground and they do still powerslide pretty consistently, but I have had times when the wheels grabbed randomly. On some slappies etc. i didn't have too many issues with sliding but they are definitely a soft wheel. They feel softer than the dragon both when popping and landing but they also still work fine for street tricks, I don't find them super bouncy but they do absord some of the pop. If sound bothers you, they sound much softer than the Dragon too, they are also MUCH slower on smooth surfaces.

By contrast, Dragons don't feel like a soft wheel to me. I have always preferred a wheel more in the 97-99 range even for street/park back when I was actually a semi decent skater. In terms of bounce/pop etc, the Dragons feel more like those wheels than a cruiser, but they do absorb a ton of vibrations from rough ground. They slide faster and more consistently than the Clouds, and roll MUCH faster on solid ground.

I wouldn't go so far as to back the claim that they slide like a 101 and handle rough ground like a cruiser wheel, that is marketing nonsense. However, they do probably 'feel' like a ~97 wheel in the park and on tricks, and at the same time, they handle rough terrain more or less as well as the 92a Clouds. There is more vibration/feedback from the board but they actually roll just as well.

Essentially, while I think the difference is overstated (Clouds actually slide ok and you can do street tricks, they aren't terrible) there is no reason to ever buy any other wheel in the ~90-95a range because the Dragon is so much better for proper skating while being just as good for cruising around. It's annoying they only offer the V1 shape in 58mm but I will swap my Clouds out for a V6 56mm Dragon as soon as I can find a set at a decent price. Once you drop down into the mid-80s duro range you are getting a wheel that rolls better, but if you ride street spots anywhere in Europe (outside of plaza countries) and actually push around the city, I would argue the Dragon is probably the only wheel worth buying. Maybe if you have young legs the Bones X Formula would be better, but for most, the Dragon is worth the hype.
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I know they've been out for a while but I enjoyed reading both of your assessment of Dragons, I've just grabbed my first set of 53mm V4 shape Dragons from one of my local shops and hope to have them set up by the end of the week. I'll be changing from Spitfire 97d 53mm classics so I'm looking forward to comparing those myself!
PS Twig88 The comparison with Ricta Clouds was really useful to me as I'd been considering trying them for a while, I'm curious did you have the Cored or Standard 56mm 92a's? As a side note, have you had any experience with Rictas 95a Crystal Cores? I've only caught the odd review of them here and there online but the feedback on them looks good. The largest size they make of those is 54mm which might be limiting for some.
Cheers!
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Good to hear, glad if my post was useful. Mind you, although I sounded critical of the Dragons regarding using them on smooth surfaces, I still think it's an awesome wheel on crusty asphalt / rough ground.

Having said that, I'm kinda leaning towards the X97s these days on crust because it feels a bit more lively and "real" than Dragons, but that's just me. Dragons are not the wheel to end all wheels, but on rough ground they are definitely worth the hype. I love the powerslide on them on asphalt and the speed they carry over shitty ground.

Nice one, your description/criticisms definitely helped as I'm moving towards softer wheels in general and don't often skate at skate parks or on very smooth surfaces. Also, many years of outdoors physical jobs are just starting to give me some knee issues so anything that is a bit less jarring helps in that regard. I've got some Bones ATF 52mm on my spare board that I like quite a lot so Dragons with their ability to slide could be nearly perfect for me - hopefully! :)
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on September 25, 2023, 11:33:05 PM
probably already been asked buuuuuuuut: what’s better for adverse riding surfaces, wide and short, or tall and narrow?

There are much more qualified people on here to answer this but I'll give it a go from my viewpoint. As the ideal answer is probably wide AND tall, I would say it comes down to preference in terms of diameter. Personally I would do wide and short as I'm much more comfortable really going for it across all surfaces whilst lower down (53mm is my wheel size of choice). It is slow going of course but the increased confidence of being lower helps me push the boundaries of my skating a bit more. I've picked that size and I'm just trying to narrow down the right durometer/shape now.
If you're comfortable higher up however, then a larger wheel size will probably help in regards to actually rolling over adverse surfaces.

So to answer actually your question, of your two options I would say tall and narrow might actually go over bad surfaces better (it just might not feel as comfortable being higher up!).
If there is anyway you could try out both for yourself and see what feels right, that is probably the best course of action. I wouldn't however change the durometer between the two extremes though as that opens up a whole new discussion/madness! Apologies if that all sounds like waffle by the way!
 
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 01, 2023, 12:36:20 AM
I have a sort of simulator question.

I’m putting together a new small setup.
For that I’m looking at 52 mm Bones wheels.
As I see it I have 3 options.

1. STF99A V4 - on clearance. Saves the money. And is wide enough to have grip.

2. X97 V5. Saves weight. Provides grip from lower duro. Cost more than twice of STF. Jaws put out eyeball graphic.

3. PP && nano cubics. Sure is wide and grippy. Costs even more than x97.

WWYD?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on October 01, 2023, 03:20:23 AM
probably already been asked buuuuuuuut: what’s better for adverse riding surfaces, wide and short, or tall and narrow?

Definitely go wide over narrow wheel contact patch when it comes to chunky/rough concrete. I find a wider wheel rolls much smoother over the rough stuff than a narrow wheel of the same duro/same mm diameter.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 01, 2023, 08:14:41 AM
I have a sort of simulator question.

I’m putting together a new small setup.
For that I’m looking at 52 mm Bones wheels.
As I see it I have 3 options.

1. STF99A V4 - on clearance. Saves the money. And is wide enough to have grip.

2. X97 V5. Saves weight. Provides grip from lower duro. Cost more than twice of STF. Jaws put out eyeball graphic.

3. PP && nano cubics. Sure is wide and grippy. Costs even more than x97.

WWYD?

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probably already been asked buuuuuuuut: what’s better for adverse riding surfaces, wide and short, or tall and narrow?
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Definitely go wide over narrow wheel contact patch when it comes to chunky/rough concrete. I find a wider wheel rolls much smoother over the rough stuff than a narrow wheel of the same duro/same mm diameter.

This response should help with your decision making.

I'd avoid the 99a (formerly known as Easy Streets) because of how slow and sticky they feel. If you're skating spots that are smooth they will hold up fine, and I'm a sucker for a good deal, but if you're dealing with any crust and money is available then I'd go for the X97. Bones finally gave Spitfire some legitimate competition with their new 93 / 97 / 99a, plus the V5 is a versatile wheel being a slimmer conical shape.

Can't speak for Nano Cubics but I don't like the shape and how they'd look on my deck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on October 01, 2023, 09:00:38 AM
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I have a sort of simulator question.

I’m putting together a new small setup.
For that I’m looking at 52 mm Bones wheels.
As I see it I have 3 options.

1. STF99A V4 - on clearance. Saves the money. And is wide enough to have grip.

2. X97 V5. Saves weight. Provides grip from lower duro. Cost more than twice of STF. Jaws put out eyeball graphic.

3. PP && nano cubics. Sure is wide and grippy. Costs even more than x97.

WWYD?
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probably already been asked buuuuuuuut: what’s better for adverse riding surfaces, wide and short, or tall and narrow?
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Definitely go wide over narrow wheel contact patch when it comes to chunky/rough concrete. I find a wider wheel rolls much smoother over the rough stuff than a narrow wheel of the same duro/same mm diameter.
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This response should help with your decision making.

I'd avoid the 99a (formerly known as Easy Streets) because of how slow and sticky they feel. If you're skating spots that are smooth they will hold up fine, and I'm a sucker for a good deal, but if you're dealing with any crust and money is available then I'd go for the X97. Bones finally gave Spitfire some legitimate competition with their new 93 / 97 / 99a, plus the V5 is a versatile wheel being a slimmer conical shape.

Can't speak for Nano Cubics but I don't like the shape and how they'd look on my deck.

yeah i’ll be checking some of the x99s in a smaller size.
that or original formula spitfires.

i skate some 52 lock-ins now, and they are ok. i have some 101 f4 52 conical fulls and those do alright on bad surfaces. neither flip nearly as well as classics tho
i don’t like the way big wide wheels look, the vast majority of the time, and they could never be my main (fun to cosplay sometimes tho).

i want something that doesn’t exist, a 50 mm wheel, that can still roll over ancient sidewalks and crumbly ground.


thanks for the responses
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on October 02, 2023, 08:21:32 AM
If anyone happens to be curious as to what 53mm Dragons in V4 shape look like up close, here are some (not the best quality) pictures of a set next to some slightly worn Spitfire Classic 97d 53mm. The yellow Enuff truck is used as my tool to get bearings and spacers on/off btw!
My digital callipers aren't working at the moment so just going off the printed/manual scale on the side of them they measure slightly over advertised at what looks like 53.5mm diameter, compared to the Spitfires that are now measuring 52.5mm (they're now slightly worn down of course). If I remember correctly the Spitfires were more or less bang on 53mm diameter when new.
Width-wise the Dragons look like they're around about 34.5mm (they're advertised at 34mm wide).
I weighed them at 36G each minus bearings and spacers.
P.S. The millimetre measurements are approximate of course so please bear that in mind! They certainly feel/seem a fair bit chunkier than the Spitfires and I look forward to wearing them in a bit to get that glassy finish off them.
Cheers all :)

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 02, 2023, 10:51:09 AM
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probably already been asked buuuuuuuut: what’s better for adverse riding surfaces, wide and short, or tall and narrow?
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Definitely go wide over narrow wheel contact patch when it comes to chunky/rough concrete. I find a wider wheel rolls much smoother over the rough stuff than a narrow wheel of the same duro/same mm diameter.

I didn't think width had so much effect until I tried different shapes of Dragons and their widest shape (Rat Bones) seemed to take rough ground much smoother than their V6 which is possiblty the next widest. Both roll super well on uneven ground but the extra width definitely helps. Later tried F4 radial full and classics in 97d and radial fulls rolled much smoother on rougher grounds. Dragons did noticeably better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on October 02, 2023, 11:52:20 AM
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I cant explain it and don't have any good reason, but something about the shape of the nano cubics deeply offends me
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Then you're effectively hating on 40 years of skateboarding history. The cubic shape is classic, and was a really important wheel for the progression of street, slappies, and more technical transition skating.


they can perform all the better but I'm not putting them on my set-up.
im glad they were used to get to this point, but they don't look good imo. superficial i know, but there's at least two other posters that have said similar about the shape

plus, i'm not really "progress(ing) street, slappies, and more technical transition skating" - I'm riding the wheels I like
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on October 02, 2023, 12:05:28 PM
the dragons look like they’ve gotta nice shape but i refuse to ride them after hearing “george powell reinvented the wheel 🤪” one too many times. like that shit wasn’t even clever
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on October 02, 2023, 12:25:24 PM
Maybe unpopular, but i think "hybrid" wheels are a needless compromise.

if they fit your bag, awesome, I won't talk shit on things that work. But for me, I want them shits hard as fuck for park, and I've been liking Radial Fulls - 97a 56mm F4s for street, but any other set-up is gonna be soft wheels exclusively. Guess I'm in a min-max kind of mindset on wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on October 02, 2023, 12:40:42 PM
the dragons look like they’ve gotta nice shape but i refuse to ride them after hearing “george powell reinvented the wheel 🤪” one too many times. like that shit wasn’t even clever

ok well i can understand annoying marketing turning you off to things but you're missing out on some actually great urethane
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: And_so_it_goes22 on October 02, 2023, 01:02:58 PM
the dragons look like they’ve gotta nice shape but i refuse to ride them after hearing “george powell reinvented the wheel 🤪” one too many times. like that shit wasn’t even clever

Yeah, and he also brought us treasured gifts such as Boneite and rat nuts.  No one takes that shit seriously so who cares?

 If you’re going to throw brands out of the boat based on one terrible ad / marketing puffery, I’m kind of curious what companies are left. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 02, 2023, 04:19:06 PM
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the dragons look like they’ve gotta nice shape but i refuse to ride them after hearing “george powell reinvented the wheel 🤪” one too many times. like that shit wasn’t even clever
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ok well i can understand annoying marketing turning you off to things but you're missing out on some actually great urethane
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on October 02, 2023, 05:05:21 PM
Powell has arguably done more with urethane than any other company/person, so if you invented the wheel....when you re-invent it....make there is something to it...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on October 02, 2023, 10:28:28 PM
Formula fours even at a 97a need to be 56mm+ to actually handle some supercrust and it's still pretty rough. Dragons at any size can go anywhere and stop your teeth from rattling and powerslide like you're on some F4's or whatever. Had enough wheel madness to try a lot of different sizes and companies in softer durometers and they can't touch the formula. Powell/Skate One lacks in cool guy points severely, but they put out quality stuff, period. If Powell made the sapphires and Spitfire made the dragons, they'd be the shit even more.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 02, 2023, 11:47:17 PM
The dragons are ok. Sometimes I hate um.

The rat Bones 2 shape feels like rollerblading wheels.
You ever do that? It's fun af
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on October 02, 2023, 11:58:37 PM
On a side note, the X97s just get better and better the more one skates 'em. I prefer them over Dragons for a more lively and "real wheel" feel.

Can't wait to test the X99s soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lessfillingtastegreat on October 03, 2023, 12:04:47 AM
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the dragons look like they’ve gotta nice shape but i refuse to ride them after hearing “george powell reinvented the wheel 🤪” one too many times. like that shit wasn’t even clever
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Yeah, and he also brought us treasured gifts such as Boneite and rat nuts.  No one takes that shit seriously so who cares?

 If you’re going to throw brands out of the boat based on one terrible ad / marketing puffery, I’m kind of curious what companies are left.

ACID PLY
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 03, 2023, 11:32:41 AM
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I have a sort of simulator question.

I’m putting together a new small setup.
For that I’m looking at 52 mm Bones wheels.
As I see it I have 3 options.

1. STF99A V4 - on clearance. Saves the money. And is wide enough to have grip.

2. X97 V5. Saves weight. Provides grip from lower duro. Cost more than twice of STF. Jaws put out eyeball graphic.

3. PP && nano cubics. Sure is wide and grippy. Costs even more than x97.

WWYD?
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probably already been asked buuuuuuuut: what’s better for adverse riding surfaces, wide and short, or tall and narrow?
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Definitely go wide over narrow wheel contact patch when it comes to chunky/rough concrete. I find a wider wheel rolls much smoother over the rough stuff than a narrow wheel of the same duro/same mm diameter.
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This response should help with your decision making.

I'd avoid the 99a (formerly known as Easy Streets) because of how slow and sticky they feel. If you're skating spots that are smooth they will hold up fine, and I'm a sucker for a good deal, but if you're dealing with any crust and money is available then I'd go for the X97. Bones finally gave Spitfire some legitimate competition with their new 93 / 97 / 99a, plus the V5 is a versatile wheel being a slimmer conical shape.

Can't speak for Nano Cubics but I don't like the shape and how they'd look on my deck.

I’m not going to skate super crust on 52s. I know some guys like to, but I already fall too much as is. 

I already own STF 99a 54mm V6 and X97 56mm V6, but both sets are too big for the Thunder 149 lights I copped for the tech setup.
I adore the V6 shape, but they don’t come in smaller diameters.

The nano cubics are somewhat enticing, but I’m not so sure about me liking that they’re asymmetric.
I mostly skate relatively smooth Crete but also wooden ramps, and I already know STF99 being wide enough will grip, and X97 too. But I’m not too sure about the skinnier tyres I’m looking at.
X97 V5 52mm has 14,5mm patch
And STF V4 52 has 17.


If anyone happens to be curious as to what 53mm Dragons in V4 shape look like up close, here are some (not the best quality) pictures of a set next to some slightly worn Spitfire Classic 97d 53mm. The yellow Enuff truck is used as my tool to get bearings and spacers on/off btw!
My digital callipers aren't working at the moment so just going off the printed/manual scale on the side of them they measure slightly over advertised at what looks like 53.5mm diameter, compared to the Spitfires that are now measuring 52.5mm (they're now slightly worn down of course). If I remember correctly the Spitfires were more or less bang on 53mm diameter when new.
Width-wise the Dragons look like they're around about 34.5mm (they're advertised at 34mm wide).
I weighed them at 36G each minus bearings and spacers.
P.S. The millimetre measurements are approximate of course so please bear that in mind! They certainly feel/seem a fair bit chunkier than the Spitfires and I look forward to wearing them in a bit to get that glassy finish off them.
Cheers all :)

That V4 shape ain’t half bad tho. Looks pretty close to spit classic shape. Little thicker.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on October 04, 2023, 12:53:40 AM

That V4 shape ain’t half bad tho. Looks pretty close to spit classic shape. Little thicker.

Definitely chunkier for sure. I rode some V4 54mm STF 99a's over a year ago and thought that for a firm wheel they were decent for just rolling about and fairly forgiving on moderately rough surfaces (I didn't try any sliding on them at the time so couldn't vouch for them in that regard).
Gutted I've not been able to try out these new Dragons just yet, its been raining for the past few days so I'm just waiting for things to dry out (a few bits I've read on them suggest that they're not very good in wet/damp conditions).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on October 04, 2023, 02:39:38 AM
Bones V5 is pretty much the perfect shape. Not too slim, not too wide. Having them in now both X97s and X99s should cater for my appetite for Spitfire Radial Slims which seem to be nonexistent these days, at least if you want them in 54/55mms.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 04, 2023, 09:16:39 AM
That's the beauty of x97/99s, you can skate crust with a small wheel with no issues.

Once I tried the x99s I've not gone back to dragons/x97 or stf/spit 99s for out in the wild, real world street skating (especially skating spot to spot) it's a no compromise wheel.

If I was a park rat it'd be 101s all day - probably SPFs or OJ elite hardlines; plaza skating? 101 spits or 103 stfs..

These days I find zero need for 99a stf or spits (looks over at that box of 99a spits).

Nano cubics? Meh....I'll pass for now, but I DO like the increase hanger room concept...but have no issue with axles as I run washer to net flushness and they're not gonna help landing primo...only primo tricks...which only a few are doing these days...wonder if mullen is checking them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on October 04, 2023, 09:43:34 AM
Yeah that seems like a great application of the wheel.  If I skated DIY’s or crusty parks I’d roll with something bigger but for curbs or small street stuff the 99’s in a smaller size seems like something I’d run.  That said, I skate mostly newer parks so I see no need…..

When I hear skaters tell me how slippery wheels are in newer parks, for the most part I dismiss it because eventually you get used to it and a hard wheel work….

I am somewhat sympathetic to those who say super hard smaller wheels are harder to skate in the streets……
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 04, 2023, 09:55:57 AM
Personally I don't see a need for 101 Spits and will likely go back to my 99 in a wider shape. I never found a huge difference between 99 and 101 and even at some smoother spots just preferred the slight bit of extra grip of the 99. Although it seems counterintuitive my 101s seemed to wear faster.

I'm messing with the X99 again for a specific rough park to re-learn more transition skills and seeing how I like them at curb spots. Its petty, but I still don't like the way they feel reverting or just the sound. Maybe the hollow axle/kingpin combo accentuates the sound? I swear that for some reason they seem harder to break into a slide than my Dragons and 97s were, but maybe they need to wear in? They're definitely faster in the V5/53 shape than my 52 Classics, but I think my Radial 53s are on par. The v5 shape is absolutely great and the closest shape I have found to the much vaunted grail Spitfire Classic Full that they rarely make and I keep on ice perpetually as I know they will be the last pair of that shape I will get to skate and I'm weird.

I've skated them at a much smoother park and they're pretty close to my 99 F4 52mm Classics. The difference is likely negligible and comes down to preference. It could be in my head, but it feels like they slide fine on waxed coping, but if there is a dry spot or at the end of say a crook when the grind slows down they slow a bit faster and I have to mildly adjust timing popping out. At one park on transition you can hear them squeal on the coping at the end of a grind. I have found on hurricanes that I tend to scoop with my back foot and slide the rear truck into the stall/grind, which takes a bit more work on these. At a red curb spot that is quite chunky they've been a bit challenging with Ventures (thanks to the rough grind and sticky paint), but ultimately being able to learn how to adjust my skating has been beneficial skills-wise.

TL;DR- I think I prefer the sound and feel of what I am used to, which is 99 F4 as I am not as picky about wheels in general, but I do think the X99 are the closest of this new Powell/Bones formula to what I would likely want to ride. With Dragons or X97 I found myself wanting to switch wheels between spots/types of skating but with these I could definitely leave them on
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: j....soy..... on October 04, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
I couldn’t agree with you more….it’s all very nuanced…..I think even the sounds or lack there of affects your pop. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 04, 2023, 10:39:20 AM
Personally I don't see a need for 101 Spits and will likely go back to my 99 in a wider shape. I never found a huge difference between 99 and 101 and even at some smoother spots just preferred the slight bit of extra grip of the 99. Although it seems counterintuitive my 101s seemed to wear faster.

I'm messing with the X99 again for a specific rough park to re-learn more transition skills and seeing how I like them at curb spots. Its petty, but I still don't like the way they feel reverting or just the sound. Maybe the hollow axle/kingpin combo accentuates the sound? I swear that for some reason they seem harder to break into a slide than my Dragons and 97s were, but maybe they need to wear in? They're definitely faster in the V5/53 shape than my 52 Classics, but I think my Radial 53s are on par. The v5 shape is absolutely great and the closest shape I have found to the much vaunted grail Spitfire Classic Full that they rarely make and I keep on ice perpetually as I know they will be the last pair of that shape I will get to skate and I'm weird.

I've skated them at a much smoother park and they're pretty close to my 99 F4 52mm Classics. The difference is likely negligible and comes down to preference. It could be in my head, but it feels like they slide fine on waxed coping, but if there is a dry spot or at the end of say a crook when the grind slows down they slow a bit faster and I have to mildly adjust timing popping out. At one park on transition you can hear them squeal on the coping at the end of a grind. I have found on hurricanes that I tend to scoop with my back foot and slide the rear truck into the stall/grind, which takes a bit more work on these. At a red curb spot that is quite chunky they've been a bit challenging with Ventures (thanks to the rough grind and sticky paint), but ultimately being able to learn how to adjust my skating has been beneficial skills-wise.

TL;DR- I think I prefer the sound and feel of what I am used to, which is 99 F4 as I am not as picky about wheels in general, but I do think the X99 are the closest of this new Powell/Bones formula to what I would likely want to ride. With Dragons or X97 I found myself wanting to switch wheels between spots/types of skating but with these I could definitely leave them on

I love the 101 but yeah I agree 99 definitely sounds better.

My 101s are faster that's about it.

I'd sell a soul (not mine) for a 58-60mm 101a F4 in the og shape.

In fuckin ORANGE!

In my opinion orange is the best wheel colour. Unfortunately I'm sure if want big ass orange wheels I gotta do Speed wheels and I'm addicted to F4/ bones park formula too.

I been riding the dragons because I have no wheels bigger than 54. I like them but it's moist out here almost everyday now. Massachusetts is turning into Florida. Not even slowly either.

I was about to post a long hopper post complaint till I saw your post and my delivery arrived from orchard.

I fuckin love my shop. I was thinking horrendous stuff and they and you pals pulled me back in.

That wheels thing and all my friends are dying. My family's triple funeral is eating me up.

I gotta get to the curb. Hopefully I'm not too old for these dragons. I feel like these was designed for people who are new to eating shit.

Anyway I was thinking of getting rid of some old nos 7.5-7.75 stage 7s and maybe I'd get rid of the old 30 whatever mm buttered tablets I got.

If anyone has some old 58-60mm og classic F4 I'd trade in a heartbeat. Any 57+mm f4 I'd trade the trucks or wheels for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 04, 2023, 10:40:48 AM
But yeah

Dragons and the smallest amount of ground sweat (dew) your slipping out like you trying to 101a tre on the Rye Airfield vert ramp's flat bottom.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Creachteach on October 04, 2023, 12:26:42 PM
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That V4 shape ain’t half bad tho. Looks pretty close to spit classic shape. Little thicker.
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Definitely chunkier for sure. I rode some V4 54mm STF 99a's over a year ago and thought that for a firm wheel they were decent for just rolling about and fairly forgiving on moderately rough surfaces (I didn't try any sliding on them at the time so couldn't vouch for them in that regard).
Gutted I've not been able to try out these new Dragons just yet, its been raining for the past few days so I'm just waiting for things to dry out (a few bits I've read on them suggest that they're not very good in wet/damp conditions).

I might have to bite the bullet and get dragons at some point. Just to try them and I guess they’re good to have in any arsenal.

Bones V5 is pretty much the perfect shape. Not too slim, not too wide. Having them in now both X97s and X99s should cater for my appetite for Spitfire Radial Slims which seem to be nonexistent these days, at least if you want them in 54/55mms.

I might really have to check them out. Been intrigued for a while.

Still hoping they put out a V4 or V6 X97, in a 52.

That's the beauty of x97/99s, you can skate crust with a small wheel with no issues.

Once I tried the x99s I've not gone back to dragons/x97 or stf/spit 99s for out in the wild, real world street skating (especially skating spot to spot) it's a no compromise wheel.

If I was a park rat it'd be 101s all day - probably SPFs or OJ elite hardlines; plaza skating? 101 spits or 103 stfs..

These days I find zero need for 99a stf or spits (looks over at that box of 99a spits).

Nano cubics? Meh....I'll pass for now, but I DO like the increase hanger room concept...but have no issue with axles as I run washer to net flushness and they're not gonna help landing primo...only primo tricks...which only a few are doing these days...wonder if mullen is checking them out.

I like your comparisons/uses of different duros. I might try X99 for my bigger setup. To have that width. But I think for a V5 52, I’d better stick with the stickier X97.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: And_so_it_goes22 on October 04, 2023, 01:30:11 PM
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Personally I don't see a need for 101 Spits and will likely go back to my 99 in a wider shape. I never found a huge difference between 99 and 101 and even at some smoother spots just preferred the slight bit of extra grip of the 99. Although it seems counterintuitive my 101s seemed to wear faster.

I'm messing with the X99 again for a specific rough park to re-learn more transition skills and seeing how I like them at curb spots. Its petty, but I still don't like the way they feel reverting or just the sound. Maybe the hollow axle/kingpin combo accentuates the sound? I swear that for some reason they seem harder to break into a slide than my Dragons and 97s were, but maybe they need to wear in? They're definitely faster in the V5/53 shape than my 52 Classics, but I think my Radial 53s are on par. The v5 shape is absolutely great and the closest shape I have found to the much vaunted grail Spitfire Classic Full that they rarely make and I keep on ice perpetually as I know they will be the last pair of that shape I will get to skate and I'm weird.

I've skated them at a much smoother park and they're pretty close to my 99 F4 52mm Classics. The difference is likely negligible and comes down to preference. It could be in my head, but it feels like they slide fine on waxed coping, but if there is a dry spot or at the end of say a crook when the grind slows down they slow a bit faster and I have to mildly adjust timing popping out. At one park on transition you can hear them squeal on the coping at the end of a grind. I have found on hurricanes that I tend to scoop with my back foot and slide the rear truck into the stall/grind, which takes a bit more work on these. At a red curb spot that is quite chunky they've been a bit challenging with Ventures (thanks to the rough grind and sticky paint), but ultimately being able to learn how to adjust my skating has been beneficial skills-wise.

TL;DR- I think I prefer the sound and feel of what I am used to, which is 99 F4 as I am not as picky about wheels in general, but I do think the X99 are the closest of this new Powell/Bones formula to what I would likely want to ride. With Dragons or X97 I found myself wanting to switch wheels between spots/types of skating but with these I could definitely leave them on
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I love the 101 but yeah I agree 99 definitely sounds better.

My 101s are faster that's about it.

I'd sell a soul (not mine) for a 58-60mm 101a F4 in the og shape.

In fuckin ORANGE!

In my opinion orange is the best wheel colour. Unfortunately I'm sure if want big ass orange wheels I gotta do Speed wheels and I'm addicted to F4/ bones park formula too.

I been riding the dragons because I have no wheels bigger than 54. I like them but it's moist out here almost everyday now. Massachusetts is turning into Florida. Not even slowly either.

I was about to post a long hopper post complaint till I saw your post and my delivery arrived from orchard.

I fuckin love my shop. I was thinking horrendous stuff and they and you pals pulled me back in.

That wheels thing and all my friends are dying. My family's triple funeral is eating me up.

I gotta get to the curb. Hopefully I'm not too old for these dragons. I feel like these was designed for people who are new to eating shit.

Anyway I was thinking of getting rid of some old nos 7.5-7.75 stage 7s and maybe I'd get rid of the old 30 whatever mm buttered tablets I got.

If anyone has some old 58-60mm og classic F4 I'd trade in a heartbeat. Any 57+mm f4 I'd trade the trucks or wheels for.


The Speedlab Juggernautz are 60/99 and come in orange.  But they’re more of a classic shape, not OG classic.  I’ve never skated these specific wheels but I love the Fastplants and Jason Adam’s wheels.

I don’t know if it’s because their team is so much more vert oriented than most other companies, but speed lab seems to offer more taller wheels than the other companies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Twig88 on October 04, 2023, 02:30:48 PM
I know they've been out for a while but I enjoyed reading both of your assessment of Dragons, I've just grabbed my first set of 53mm V4 shape Dragons from one of my local shops and hope to have them set up by the end of the week. I'll be changing from Spitfire 97d 53mm classics so I'm looking forward to comparing those myself!
PS Twig88 The comparison with Ricta Clouds was really useful to me as I'd been considering trying them for a while, I'm curious did you have the Cored or Standard 56mm 92a's? As a side note, have you had any experience with Rictas 95a Crystal Cores? I've only caught the odd review of them here and there online but the feedback on them looks good. The largest size they make of those is 54mm which might be limiting for some.
Cheers!

Super slow reply, sorry. I have had uncored 86A, uncored 92A and cored 92A clouds. The 86A is soft enough to roll better on rough stuff than the Dragons but has terrible slide. I've never tried the 95A Rictas but my guess, based on the other formulas, is the Dragons both slide better and roll better than 95A Ricta. I'm toying with the idea of trying X97 but that seems super hard for what I usually ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on October 05, 2023, 12:52:32 AM
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I know they've been out for a while but I enjoyed reading both of your assessment of Dragons, I've just grabbed my first set of 53mm V4 shape Dragons from one of my local shops and hope to have them set up by the end of the week. I'll be changing from Spitfire 97d 53mm classics so I'm looking forward to comparing those myself!
PS Twig88 The comparison with Ricta Clouds was really useful to me as I'd been considering trying them for a while, I'm curious did you have the Cored or Standard 56mm 92a's? As a side note, have you had any experience with Rictas 95a Crystal Cores? I've only caught the odd review of them here and there online but the feedback on them looks good. The largest size they make of those is 54mm which might be limiting for some.
Cheers!
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Super slow reply, sorry. I have had uncored 86A, uncored 92A and cored 92A clouds. The 86A is soft enough to roll better on rough stuff than the Dragons but has terrible slide. I've never tried the 95A Rictas but my guess, based on the other formulas, is the Dragons both slide better and roll better than 95A Ricta. I'm toying with the idea of trying X97 but that seems super hard for what I usually ride.

No worries at all and thanks for the reply! I'm going to give my new Dragons a good run before trying anything else but cheers for the Ricta cloud insight as I've always been interested in them. I'm the same regarding the X97's, I wanted to go a touch softer from Spitfire 97d's so will see how the Dragons fair before going back up in durometer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 09, 2023, 09:30:46 PM
I'm going to maybe switch it soon. I noticed bones has a 60x34 in 99a with a monster truck on the graphics.

Spit needs a 60mm wheel besides the classic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on October 10, 2023, 12:58:16 AM
Spit needs a 60mm wheel besides the classic

I'm guessing you want a 99A, but there's a 97A 60mm radial full out there: https://www.spitfirewheels.com/tfunk-savie/

Those bad boys have a 29mm contact patch.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FrenchSkater on October 13, 2023, 03:16:52 AM
Back on wheels (Haze, very good brand) in 51 mm.

For me this is part of the perfect size, it's really the size that I accept directly on my setup. 52 is very good, versatile, but new, a little too big for me haha

I plan to use the 51 mm on independent forged hollows! Even if on high trucks, you often need big wheels, I like this kind of setup, like in the years 2005/2010 when the pros skated indy with 50 mm haha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 13, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
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Spit needs a 60mm wheel besides the classic
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I'm guessing you want a 99A, but there's a 97A 60mm radial full out there: https://www.spitfirewheels.com/tfunk-savie/

Those bad boys have a 29mm contact patch.


There is also the Kader 59 mm in 99 duro, which is pretty close and still big and fast feeling, which I just tried.

Also there was the Kanfoush 60 mm 99 duro Conical Full, hard hat graphic, which I still see around, but might be sold out everywhere else.

A few more big wheels might be coming out in future drops too, so keep an eye out and stock up while you can if they are a shape you like.


Classics do skate very well in the 60 mm size though, quite wide 39 mm and full feeling, 25 mm or so riding surface on this set I have, which feel a bit more normal to me than Conical Full, Radial Full or OG Classics.  I guess everyone is different, and sometimes a 58 mm or even 59 mm wheel is just not quite enough, although there are a lot more in those sizes in different shapes.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Orangepulp1000 on October 14, 2023, 02:48:55 AM
Can anyone give some feedback on the oj prototypes?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 14, 2023, 03:51:46 AM
Can anyone give some feedback on the oj prototypes?

The dual duros? I think they were confirmed to be shitty.
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4?feature=shared
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Orangepulp1000 on October 14, 2023, 05:19:47 AM
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Can anyone give some feedback on the oj prototypes?
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The dual duros? I think they were confirmed to be shitty.
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4?feature=shared

Yeah they’re the ones. Ah right ok cheers for that just saved me $100 or so
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 14, 2023, 04:03:58 PM
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Can anyone give some feedback on the oj prototypes?
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The dual duros? I think they were confirmed to be shitty.
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4?feature=shared
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Yeah they’re the ones. Ah right ok cheers for that just saved me $100 or so


While I thought Spitfire wheels were getting expensive at almost AU$100, I saw those dual duro OJs were AU$110 to $120 a set and from what people were saying about them, there is no way I would justify that expense for a wheel that still flatspots and doesn't actually skate as well as the hype.

I haven't seen or ridden them, so really I don't have anything to add, but even just the options of any normal wheel being more down around the AU$80 or less with discount code or percentage off sales, I really wonder how many people would actually buy them, being that high in price - I think the highest I have ever seen a set of wheels for, I might add.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Orangepulp1000 on October 14, 2023, 07:21:11 PM
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Can anyone give some feedback on the oj prototypes?
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The dual duros? I think they were confirmed to be shitty.
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4?feature=shared
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Yeah they’re the ones. Ah right ok cheers for that just saved me $100 or so
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While I thought Spitfire wheels were getting expensive at almost AU$100, I saw those dual duro OJs were AU$110 to $120 a set and from what people were saying about them, there is no way I would justify that expense for a wheel that still flatspots and doesn't actually skate as well as the hype.

I haven't seen or ridden them, so really I don't have anything to add, but even just the options of any normal wheel being more down around the AU$80 or less with discount code or percentage off sales, I really wonder how many people would actually buy them, being that high in price - I think the highest I have ever seen a set of wheels for, I might add.

Yeah I know hey, I did have the thought it might be worth a try as I skate a lot of car parks and that here in Aus and thought the double duro would help reduce vibration asphalt but I guess that I nearly got sucked into the marketing. Glad I didn’t fork out the money for them and asked on here first. I’m usually on ff 99 classics but might try the ff 97’s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on October 15, 2023, 08:48:38 AM
Dont waste your money on those OJs. F4 97, Bones X and Dragons will be best choice for your needs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 15, 2023, 12:43:52 PM
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Can anyone give some feedback on the oj prototypes?
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The dual duros? I think they were confirmed to be shitty.
https://youtu.be/yDRtTtCQne4?feature=shared
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Yeah they’re the ones. Ah right ok cheers for that just saved me $100 or so
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While I thought Spitfire wheels were getting expensive at almost AU$100, I saw those dual duro OJs were AU$110 to $120 a set and from what people were saying about them, there is no way I would justify that expense for a wheel that still flatspots and doesn't actually skate as well as the hype.

I haven't seen or ridden them, so really I don't have anything to add, but even just the options of any normal wheel being more down around the AU$80 or less with discount code or percentage off sales, I really wonder how many people would actually buy them, being that high in price - I think the highest I have ever seen a set of wheels for, I might add.

I still want my money back from these but at least it made for good video content (and a warning to others).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on October 16, 2023, 10:58:05 AM
Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on October 16, 2023, 11:19:14 AM
Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.

Oh this definitely looks like that new HLC urethane someone posted about recently
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on October 16, 2023, 11:49:05 AM
Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.

It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GS77 on October 16, 2023, 12:27:16 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production

If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on October 16, 2023, 04:13:00 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
I didn't say anyone from nfg was involved. I said it's supposed to be better than the old nfg formula. And it is confirmed to be the new formula. You can ask them yourself if you want.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on October 16, 2023, 04:22:37 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.

From what I know about NFG I think that's pretty unlikely. I'm pretty sure that after NFG, Loophole started using a different manufacturing company that is unrelated to NFG and the guy who ran it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GS77 on October 16, 2023, 04:32:27 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
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I didn't say anyone from nfg was involved. I said it's supposed to be better than the old nfg formula. And it is confirmed to be the new formula. You can ask them yourself if you want.

I was responding to Dr. Prestige not you. Lighten up in the wheel section.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pointandclick on October 16, 2023, 05:07:08 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
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From what I know about NFG I think that's pretty unlikely. I'm pretty sure that after NFG, Loophole started using a different manufacturing company that is unrelated to NFG and the guy who ran it.
pretty sure loophole is going through hlc based on the shape names carrying over from this catalog to the loophole site
https://mfg.hlcdist.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/hlc-oem-catalogue-skateboard.pdf (https://mfg.hlcdist.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/hlc-oem-catalogue-skateboard.pdf)
sr & mt
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Boog on October 16, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
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I didn't say anyone from nfg was involved. I said it's supposed to be better than the old nfg formula. And it is confirmed to be the new formula. You can ask them yourself if you want.
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I was responding to Dr. Prestige not you. Lighten up in the wheel section.
My bad I wasn't responding to you I meant to quote dr. Prestige as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GS77 on October 16, 2023, 06:01:34 PM
No problem. I work in the chemical industry and I know that once you have a formula that works it is most effective to use that formula to build new formulas.

Many people here say NFG>F4 so I thought maybe NFG would allow Loophole to build off that formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 17, 2023, 03:37:55 AM
No problem. I work in the chemical industry and I know that once you have a formula that works it is most effective to use that formula to build new formulas.

Many people here say NFG>F4 so I thought maybe NFG would allow Loophole to build off that formula.
Loophole does not manufacture wheels. They just put their branding on and sell them. No building off of any formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GS77 on October 17, 2023, 04:44:46 AM
Just from reading SLAP comments:

-NFG employees left Spitfire to start their own company.
-NFG ran into money troubles asked for investors.
-Continued to produce wheels for another year.

Loophole brand is based on an alternative to F4. NFG used the F4 formula and tweaked the formula to Loophole’s liking. I don’t believe Loophole just puts their name on a wheel based on what I read here. It sounded like they were closely involved with product testing with NFG.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on October 17, 2023, 09:08:35 AM
powell should take a shot at the double duro wheel
the oj version seems like an overpriced dud
a dragon 93a inner w/ bones x99a outer would slap

outside of the marketing, i couldnt imagine that sucking
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 17, 2023, 09:10:34 AM
I’ve been skating for less than two years so please forgive my ignorance. Do wheels feel different when it gets cold out?

The pair of OJ Hardlines I have don’t feel the same. I’m not sure if it’s the 40 degree weather or the fact that I let them sit on a shelf for two months after swapping them out. They just feel harder, and not in a good way. Was like skating on ice lol

Spitfire is sending me some 97a RFs to make up for the defective ones I had. Can’t wait cause these ain’t it 😖
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: intendedreceivers on October 17, 2023, 09:18:55 AM
I’ve been skating for less than two years so please forgive my ignorance. Do wheels feel different when it gets cold out?

The pair of OJ Hardlines I have don’t feel the same. I’m not sure if it’s the 40 degree weather or the fact that I let them sit on a shelf for two months after swapping them out. They just feel harder, and not in a good way. Was like skating on ice lol

Spitfire is sending me some 97a RFs to make up for the defective ones I had. Can’t wait cause these ain’t it 😖

Two months on a shelf is nothing. Stuff sits in shops longer than that. But yeah, the cold weather generally does freeze up the urethane a bit. I think 97 Radial Fulls will be much better for the winter than OJs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GS77 on October 17, 2023, 09:29:57 AM
OJs come off the shelf sucking. If you want a wheel that is most similar to clay wheels go with OJ standard thane 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 17, 2023, 10:12:33 AM
Thanks guys. I used to like ‘em, but I guess skating the Spitfires changed my mind. Hopefully my new wheels come soon. Don’t have any tracking on them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on October 17, 2023, 01:16:18 PM
I've written before that I like the hardlines, mostly for the fairly new local park that is slick as hell, but they 100% feel like ice, and being cold and hard only amplifies that.

Seconding that an F4 97a would help get more feel, and curb some of the icy-ness
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: backinaction on October 17, 2023, 03:49:44 PM
I’m not sure if it’s the 40 degree weather

I swap up wheels from late fall to early spring when it's cold.   I skate a lot of concrete transition and use SPF 84B in the summer, but they become super slippery at my local park under 45 or so.  I end up using F4 101 if it's 40 degrees and up, and this year i'll be using X97 when it's below 40.  As soon as it gets 50+ degrees regularly at the time of day i skate, I'll be back on SPF.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gandito405 on October 18, 2023, 12:06:30 PM
97a radial fulls feel twice as fast than my lock in fulls with a wider contact patch out the gate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 18, 2023, 01:20:48 PM
97a radial fulls feel twice as fast than my lock in fulls with a wider contact patch out the gate.
Can you still tre flip though?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on October 19, 2023, 02:56:43 AM
I mentioned in the setup thread I had Keyframes (thought they were mini juices) - anyways, I may look to replace them eventually or just try something different. Anyone have good cruiser wheel recommendations??

I've seen X97 Dragons enjoyed by a few, but I'm open to any suggestions. Preferably looking to keep the wheel size 58 or smaller
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on October 19, 2023, 08:05:21 AM
I mentioned in the setup thread I had Keyframes (thought they were mini juices) - anyways, I may look to replace them eventually or just try something different. Anyone have good cruiser wheel recommendations??

I've seen X97 Dragons enjoyed by a few, but I'm open to any suggestions. Preferably looking to keep the wheel size 58 or smaller

If you're strictly cruising get bones rough riders. I've had 2 different sets last me 3+ years without any issues while I've had oj super juices chunk out in less than 3 months. If you want something softer but still able to slide/slappy/ollie etc.. get 56 v6 Dragons the 93a ones. Wider street style wheel shape without being too big and bulky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on October 19, 2023, 09:07:13 AM
I mentioned in the setup thread I had Keyframes (thought they were mini juices) - anyways, I may look to replace them eventually or just try something different. Anyone have good cruiser wheel recommendations??

I've seen X97 Dragons enjoyed by a few, but I'm open to any suggestions. Preferably looking to keep the wheel size 58 or smaller

I know you want 58mm or smaller but the 60mm rat bones shape in the dragon formula is fucking amazing. You will softly roll over everything rough and slide with ease whenever you need to. The wider riding surface vs 58mm or lower and the shape just makes them outperform the other ones. Because I also have the 58mm V6 shape and although they're still great, they still don't have the extra forgiveness the 60mm ones have.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on October 19, 2023, 10:23:15 AM
Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on October 19, 2023, 10:46:23 AM
Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on October 19, 2023, 11:54:19 AM
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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.
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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on
To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on October 19, 2023, 12:19:51 PM
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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.
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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on
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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

I've become a strict 97A F4 guy over the past 6 months or so. In my experience the 97A F4s absorbe vibrations worse than Dragons, but that also makes them feel and perform more like "normal" wheels. If you're into trying them, I'd suggest you get the largest wheels with the biggest riding surface you can get. There's a 60mm radial full version out, that would probably be the best in terms of having a nice and stable ride. If those are too preposterous, the radial fulls also come in 58 or 56mm. I think conical fulls go uo to 58mm if you want a slightly slimmer wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on October 19, 2023, 01:21:34 PM
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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.
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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on
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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain

I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jimgrude on October 19, 2023, 04:39:17 PM
Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

If you want a less sticky dragon, the obvious choice is Bones x97 or x99. Same urethane, same manufacturer, just harder.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 19, 2023, 08:11:52 PM
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Spit needs a 60mm wheel besides the classic
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I'm guessing you want a 99A, but there's a 97A 60mm radial full out there: https://www.spitfirewheels.com/tfunk-savie/

Those bad boys have a 29mm contact patch.

i wanna. i just am a little scared after my Dragon slam today. I wish more than anything for a 60 or 58 og classic. Everyone i know whos tried that cant go back too. But were being forced

That ButterFly shape has always been the best shape. That and conical. You dont need 99a at that size too. 101 is better
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 19, 2023, 09:01:34 PM
are those funks orange or red? i might gotta now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on October 20, 2023, 12:43:26 AM
are those funks orange or red? i might gotta now.

They're red.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 07:38:39 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/X7mGxDx/IMG-3774.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X7mGxDx)
Got my replacement wheels. Let’s hope these also don’t lock up. I love this shape. Hopefully it being slightly softer helps too in this cold weather. I only skate smooth tennis courts, but there’s lots of leafs and those spinner things on them lately since it’s fall.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gsosa on October 20, 2023, 08:50:31 AM
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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.
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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on
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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain
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I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.

Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on October 20, 2023, 09:06:12 AM

Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???

I think the general consensus around Slap is that the Bones X97 are worth their hype and outperform the F4 97.

Haven't tried the latter myself, but I really, really like the X97. Gives me all I want from a wheel for rougher terrain and/or dusty and slippery indoor parks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 20, 2023, 09:09:50 AM
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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.
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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on
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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain
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I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.
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Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???
X97 are smoother while still sliding much better. Way way better wheels. And before people get mad, yeah spitfire is better in 99a. Just not in 97a. That said, I haven't tried the X99 yet...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 10:01:47 AM
I’m so confused. My new RFs started doing the same thing, then they got lose again. It’s like I had to ride them in different directions, like I ride switch using my nose as the tail.

I want to try for another pair, but I don’t have time to keep sending them back. May just swear off this shape for good 😫
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on October 20, 2023, 10:06:34 AM
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Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.
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I really love the feel of the F4 97a on street/crusty spots. They are on the harder side still, and I imagine they would be pretty loud to film on
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To be honest, sound is not really my main concern. I sometimes film with my normal board when I dont have ny cruiser and its usually not a problem. Im more concerned with the overall facility to go over shit and navigate rough terrain
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I agree with scab. 56mm+ Radial Fulls are pretty solid all-rounder on rough stuff for being a general purpose wheel. Nice riding surface, I personally love fat wheels, and they still break into slides pretty well (for being a bit softer). I run em on a hybrid cruiser/functional set-up, and they do everything in the street I need em to, minus being pretty bulky.
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Thanks a lot guys, yeah I'm sure that bit harder wheel will absorb vibrations less which is something I'm willing to sacrifice for a bit better of a slide.

Now the question here is which one do the gods prefer Bones x97 or Formula 4 97s???

While I haven't tried the X97 I can say of all of those mid duro wheels that slide the F4s were my least favorite by far.  I think Dragons, Nomads and the NFG 95A (R.I.P.) were all far superior wheels to the F4s.  For the record up until recently when I switched to X99s, F4 99a were my wheel of choice so its not an anti Spitfire thing, I just think the 97s stink.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gandito405 on October 20, 2023, 10:29:31 AM
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97a radial fulls feel twice as fast than my lock in fulls with a wider contact patch out the gate.
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Can you still tre flip though?
I ride transition so i cant say about that. if you get full conical 97as I'm sure you can tre flip because they are not as wide. and once you wear them down a few mm it'll ride like a radial. but I don't really think it matters because I've seen my friend with 58 og classics tre no problem. if you are still skeptical the conical fulls are a great choice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gandito405 on October 20, 2023, 10:38:00 AM
I’m so confused. My new RFs started doing the same thing, then they got lose again. It’s like I had to ride them in different directions, like I ride switch using my nose as the tail.

I want to try for another pair, but I don’t have time to keep sending them back. May just swear off this shape for good 😫
the only problem with mine is they will chuck off some.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 11:07:52 AM
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I’m so confused. My new RFs started doing the same thing, then they got lose again. It’s like I had to ride them in different directions, like I ride switch using my nose as the tail.

I want to try for another pair, but I don’t have time to keep sending them back. May just swear off this shape for good 😫
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the only problem with mine is they will chuck off some.
I must be having bad luck. Makes me want to get multiple pair and just combine the good wheels, but that’s madness.

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Any other brand make a wide wheel like the RFs? You know, besides OJ Chubbies.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sativa Lung on October 20, 2023, 12:41:41 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.

Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks and get massively different results based on workflow, tooling, and production environment.

Loophole went to creative urethane (like most smaller brands) for a while but as someone said the new ones look like HLC's new formula and match the shapes from the OEM catalog.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 12:56:11 PM
One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 20, 2023, 01:04:08 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
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Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks and get massively different results based on workflow, tooling, and production environment.

Loophole went to creative urethane (like most smaller brands) for a while but as someone said the new ones look like HLC's new formula and match the shapes from the OEM catalog.

Their wheel shapes were good, but their QC was terrible. My first set was 2mm smaller than advertised, second set the wheels ranged in size by .75mm across the set, and all sets had bubbles. My 3rd set was the best, but they weren't necessarily better than F4. They were kinda plugging the fact that one of them worked at Spitfire before and that the formula was basically Formula 5 and maybe it was, but it wasn't any better. Then they got into the bushing business for some reason instead of improving their QC and availability and the bushings were a huge dud.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2023, 01:09:36 PM
Aight gods, seeing how the topic is being somewhat discussed I figured I might as well ask.

I film a bunch and went from Keyframes to Dragons (i have the 56mm wide ones)because sometimes Im skating around hills and shit on my filmer/cruiser board and I need to be able to slide but still mantain that cruiser wheel feeling. Although the Dragons where a game.changer for me they are still a bit sticky sometimes. Is there a wheel that is slightly harder but still has that cruiser wheel feel??? I was thinking of trying out the F4 97s but dont know if they would be too hard? Im not really familiar with the Bones roster and Im seeing a lot of their options being mentioned.

So if anyone has any recommendations itd be greatly appreciated.

Bones X97s without a doubt. It's a superior 97a wheel to other offerings, especially the spit 97a (sorry diehards) as x97s slide better and crush rough terrain by comparison. Spit 97a might have an edge on smooth terrain speed-wise, but it would be marginal at best.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: GS77 on October 20, 2023, 01:16:51 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
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Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks

So, they are hoping to continue their business but need crowd funding and nobody seems to care. Sounds like they don’t have much future.

Also, urethane chemistry does not vary based on equipment. We have processing plants all over the world. It’s all about the formula. You pour a liquid into a mold and allow it to harden. That’s it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2023, 05:26:57 PM
One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 05:34:23 PM
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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.
Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2023, 05:58:49 PM
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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.
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Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.


Bottom line is you should not have to go to special efforts or lengths just to have a product work for you.

Get wheels out of packet, put bearings in wheels, put wheels on axles, tighten nuts to where you want and skate.

Having to do this and that or whatever else just to have something work as it normally should is not a big deal if there is not a fault with the product, but having bearing seats too wide, or having incorrectly seated bearings in a wheel are definitely not things I would want to have to deal with.

As you said, NOT the bearings at all, just the wheels.

Good luck with them.  I could see others getting pissed way more quickly than you and swearing off wheel brands entirely in the past from other things like that.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 06:21:21 PM
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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.
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Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.
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Bottom line is you should not have to go to special efforts or lengths just to have a product work for you.

Get wheels out of packet, put bearings in wheels, put wheels on axles, tighten nuts to where you want and skate.

Having to do this and that or whatever else just to have something work as it normally should is not a big deal if there is not a fault with the product, but having bearing seats too wide, or having incorrectly seated bearings in a wheel are definitely not things I would want to have to deal with.

As you said, NOT the bearings at all, just the wheels.

Good luck with them.  I could see others getting pissed way more quickly than you and swearing off wheel brands entirely in the past from other things like that.
If this were my first experience with them I would swear 'em off. But the tablets are some of my favorite wheels. I've had a pair for almost two years on another setup. They work flawlessly.

The 97a RFs are probably worse than the 99a ones. They don't seem popular, so I imagine if there's an issue many folks won't notice 🥴

If my "experiments" fail (something I shouldn't have to do, as you said, they should just work), I'll be sending both pairs back and asking for another shape to keep as a backup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on October 20, 2023, 11:28:06 PM
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Loophole new drop today. They look like formula 4. I think it's the new formula that is supposed to be a better version of the old nfg formula. Waiting on a reply.
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It’s probably completely unrelated to NFG, I doubt that the people currently making Loopholes are intricately aware of how NFG handled their urethane production
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If NFG owners are out of business with no plans to reopen then they may have gifted the formula to Loophole. I guess only a rider of both would feel the difference.
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Well that's a pretty wild bit of speculation based on absolutely nothing lmao.

The NFG guys shut down but from the way they were talking the hope is to get back up and running some day if it makes economic sense. They tried to do the crowd funding thing but no one seemed to care about it. I barely even saw it get posted on here. I think most people at that time thought f4 is perfect and couldn't possibly be improved on, especially by some random SF guys no one had ever heard of.

I don't think sharing their formula would change much - you can give the same recipe to two cooks
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So, they are hoping to continue their business but need crowd funding and nobody seems to care. Sounds like they don’t have much future.

Also, urethane chemistry does not vary based on equipment. We have processing plants all over the world. It’s all about the formula. You pour a liquid into a mold and allow it to harden. That’s it.

Really sucks about loophole, I really liked that formula it worked well with the dusty ditches and skateparks/diys that I skate here in Texas, my friends would be squirreling around with F4s and I’d be alright and still able to slide well, I will echo that dude with the hsu switch tre in his sig and say that the QC definitely needed some work, I got a set that I couldn’t keep a bearing in, and the bubbles too, but I just rode them out, that being said the shop that hooks me up is getting their new stuff so I’ll be able to at least support them while they are still around, yea with all the problems they’ve been having seems like they were kinda destined to fail
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 21, 2023, 07:45:40 AM
I was thinking about my wheel issue more this morning, and thought for a second, what if it IS the bearings?

Would loosening the axel nut fix a seized bearing? Cause when I do that my wheel spins freely again.

So I don’t think it’s the bearings.

Idk, these damn wheels got me second guessing myself. These Swiss 6 work fine in my other wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on October 21, 2023, 07:52:41 AM
I was thinking about my wheel issue more this morning, and thought for a second, what if it IS the bearings?

Would loosening the axel nut fix a seized bearing? Cause when I do that my wheel spins freely again.

So I don’t think it’s the bearings.

Idk, these damn wheels got me second guessing myself. These Swiss 6 work fine in my other wheels.

How old are your trucks? Could it be axle slip?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 21, 2023, 08:07:19 AM
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I was thinking about my wheel issue more this morning, and thought for a second, what if it IS the bearings?

Would loosening the axel nut fix a seized bearing? Cause when I do that my wheel spins freely again.

So I don’t think it’s the bearings.

Idk, these damn wheels got me second guessing myself. These Swiss 6 work fine in my other wheels.
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How old are your trucks? Could it be axle slip?
Almost two years old. But the issue doesn’t happen with other wheels. Plus I mostly cruise and do no complys, so they look newish still. Do don’t think it’s axle slip, I thought that at first, though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 21, 2023, 08:30:02 AM
I don't think that is normal. Honestly tho, skateboard components are designed for people that weigh 70-100lbs less so naturally you're going to have a few more issues.

Wheels do have residue from the mold releaser on them. Bones washes their wheels after they're molded which gets the super white appearance. I don't know if Spitfire does. This is not uncommon- PU indoor rock climbing holds also have this coating and it's enough to where all holds should be washed with soap and water or scrubbed with isopropyl when they're new because they can be decently slippery.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 21, 2023, 09:06:45 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/NyXXXQ4/IMG-3780.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NyXXXQ4)

Confirmed. It’s the RFs. Went out with new bearings, new truck, hell, new setup and they still slowed down on me. Sending a video off to Deluxe.

This happens after I do a few shuv-its. And it can’t even be my weight cause I just did it a bunch without jumping on to test is out. I’d only catch them with one foot.

Super bummed that this shape and size appears to be a bust. Oh well, at least I know my Indy’s and Swiss aren’t the issue 😁
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 21, 2023, 09:09:34 AM
Sounds like it's not weight and the issue I had with a set of Classic Fulls. I could grab the wheel with my hand and lightly twist it and bind the wheel completely. I could skate in a straight line, lightly chirp the wheel, and it would bind. Shit happens and hopefully your next set, like all mine have been since, are great.

I'm not bringing up weight to shame or be an asshole. When I was into bikes people would often post about breaking things or components not being stiff enough and would leave weight out then when it's disclosed you realize they were near or over the recommended design limits and it wasn't a faulty component.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on October 21, 2023, 09:27:36 AM
I have a suspicion the Radial or Radial Full mold at the factor need to be replaced or re-calibrated, I recall when the Spitfire Oski Scorched Radial wheel first came out (late 2021 / early 2022) some guys on here reported their bearing seats were uneven. A friend of mine even showed me a video of his and his wheel was spinning unevenly, looked like it was wobbling and way slower than usual.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 21, 2023, 09:51:04 AM
I have a suspicion the Radial or Radial Full mold at the factor need to be replaced or re-calibrated, I recall when the Spitfire Oski Scorched Radial wheel first came out (late 2021 / early 2022) some guys on here reported their bearing seats were uneven. A friend of mine even showed me a video of his and his wheel was spinning unevenly, looked like it was wobbling and way slower than usual.
Think mine did too. I stared at them, but was unsure if it was the paint job or the wheels being off, but to the naked eye they looked wobbly as hell. Thought it was my OCD so I didn’t bring it up here lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on October 21, 2023, 10:08:25 AM
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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.
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Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.

Sorry if you already answered: do you use bearing spacers?

What happens with my bones Swiss on always one wheel, is that the bearing will come out a bit and push against the but… “locking” it. I have to turn board on side and push the wheel so it goes back the half mm, and it loosens up again.

I tried without spacers and it helped, but what helped the most was tightening the bolt so that there is only a hairline (I mean HAIRline) space of play in the wheel so it barely moves at all… and now when I power slide or Skitch out, most of the time it doesn’t pop out and lock the wheel. 

I think the bearing spacers on both F4 and bones wheels causing the issue because it doesn’t sit perfectly as it should in the wheels.

Just a thought
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 21, 2023, 10:27:08 AM
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One thing I noticed about these RFs is the bearings came out really easily. Contacted support again and gonna troubleshoot them this weekend. Will put in a different set of bearings and toss ‘em on my Thunders.

I don’t have high hopes though. So I’ll look for another wide wheel as a replacement. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Just checking (as per that other thread) if you cleaned off the outside of the bearings and bearing seats with alcohol based something, just so there was no residue of lube, oil or anything else?

I feel like this worked for a few other 97 duro and softer wheels I had, after reading that thread and trying it.

Seemed to work better than what I had initially done, which was use Race Reds or similar fitted bearings with built in spacers that could be run with no play and keep the wheels spinning, no matter what they did.


Guessing it would vary from set to set too, but on the few sets of those I have had and set up / skated / passed on to others, I didn't find that I had too many issues like that with them, but I know how easily it happes, especially with softer duro wheels.
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Didn’t clean inside the wheels cause they’re new, but the bearings have no grease on them. I bathed them in alcohol yesterday before installing them. I’ve ordered some lock-in fulls since they were $35 with free shipping on TGM. I’m hoping that they use a different mold for them. No other pair of Spitfires has ever given me issues. Just the RF shape. It’s odd.

My bearings are two month old Bones Swiss 6, so I know they’re not the issue. They worked flawlessly with the OJ Hardlines last week. But the RFs locked up again ten minutes into my session. It’s wild. They must have a defect issue.
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Sorry if you already answered: do you use bearing spacers?

What happens with my bones Swiss on always one wheel, is that the bearing will come out a bit and push against the but… “locking” it. I have to turn board on side and push the wheel so it goes back the half mm, and it loosens up again.

I tried without spacers and it helped, but what helped the most was tightening the bolt so that there is only a hairline (I mean HAIRline) space of play in the wheel so it barely moves at all… and now when I power slide or Skitch out, most of the time it doesn’t pop out and lock the wheel. 

I think the bearing spacers on both F4 and bones wheels causing the issue because it doesn’t sit perfectly as it should in the wheels.

Just a thought
Yeah I use spacers and ride the wheels with a little play. These are the only wheels to ever give me trouble.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 21, 2023, 10:50:14 AM
Delete the spacers as a first order. I have found they can be too long for Spitfires and the bearings never seat. They are completely unnecessary for skateboard wheels and often cause more issues than they prevent.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 21, 2023, 11:47:57 AM
Took the spacers out of the other ones and they still locked up. I just ordered a bearing press from Amazon. On the off chance that I install my bearings wrong. Doubt that’s the case, but it’s annoying using the trucks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Trail on October 21, 2023, 12:43:27 PM
Has anyone here tried Sabbath wheels?

https://sabbathwheels.co.uk/
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on October 21, 2023, 02:05:03 PM
Took the spacers out of the other ones and they still locked up. I just ordered a bearing press from Amazon. On the off chance that I install my bearings wrong. Doubt that’s the case, but it’s annoying using the trucks.

Right on. Try the tightening nut all the way until the wheel stops spinning easily, and then give it a quarter turn looser, so there’s juuuuuust enough play in wheel for it to spin freely.

I’ve found that when the wheel has more play between truck and nut, it allows the bearings to pop out under stress.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2023, 04:55:25 PM
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Took the spacers out of the other ones and they still locked up. I just ordered a bearing press from Amazon. On the off chance that I install my bearings wrong. Doubt that’s the case, but it’s annoying using the trucks.
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Right on. Try the tightening nut all the way until the wheel stops spinning easily, and then give it a quarter turn looser, so there’s juuuuuust enough play in wheel for it to spin freely.

I’ve found that when the wheel has more play between truck and nut, it allows the bearings to pop out under stress.


Yes, that and Race Reds were the go to I had done before for wheels that have loose bearing seats, as in any wheel that the bearing either falls out of or moves.

At least the wheel has centered bearing seats, unlike some other faulty wheels where the bearing seat on one side is a little off center, which means you can't get the wheel on fully - instant return for exchange, etc.

The biggest issues with the loose bearing seat usually mean that the person with the issue is often none the wiser, just like OhioGuy here, first thinking is it axle slip (which hasn't really been an issue for a while now in most trucks) or that the bearings are bad, or something else is going on.

Ideally, having no movement will lessen the slip and still allow the wheel to spin, if not freely, at least somewhat, compared to almost zero wheel movement in some other wheels I have had and seen, which is why I had used the bearings like Race Reds with extended middle spacer bits before.

From the thread about bearings moving in bearing seats, it was established that any truck, any bearing, just different wheels, could have this problem, or no problem at all, so one solution another guy did was clean out the inside of the wheel bearing seat and clean off the outside of the bearings and this resolved some wheel problems for some sets, but not others.

I would just say that these wheels have that issue, and best to send them back, more so than try and try again with any other fix, only to have them maybe do the same thing or worse further down the line, maybe at a time when you can't send them back.


That other thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2023, 04:58:40 PM
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Got my replacement wheels. Let’s hope these also don’t lock up. I love this shape. Hopefully it being slightly softer helps too in this cold weather. I only skate smooth tennis courts, but there’s lots of leafs and those spinner things on them lately since it’s fall.


So just checking, which wheels did you have before - Kader puffs in what size?

I see you now have Radial Full 97 duro 54 mm, which are having the same issue?


The set of the Radial Full 97 duro 54 mm wheels I have are doing fine, as are some Kader puffs I got too (thankfully) but it is definitely something to check and make sure, as per other sets I have that I am yet to skate / setup, which I am going to just make sure the bearings are seated correctly, rather than sit on them indefinitely and then realise that there is a problem with them later on.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Cthulhu! on October 22, 2023, 10:15:26 AM
Speaking of Loophole...
Since they are very probably using hlc, thank you for posting the catalog a few pages ago,
https://mfg.hlcdist.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/hlc-oem-catalogue-skateboard.pdf

I couldn't help but notice that on Loophole's site they're saying all of their new wheels are 100a. Cross checking with the catalog, the MT shape for example, only comes in at 98a. But what does a Butter formula feel like? I sent them a message but they didn't answer of course. Shops around here don't carry them, so ordering and getting an unwanted surprise isn't much fun. How conflicting. I may just end up buying F4s again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Gandito405 on October 22, 2023, 07:47:57 PM
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I’m so confused. My new RFs started doing the same thing, then they got lose again. It’s like I had to ride them in different directions, like I ride switch using my nose as the tail.

I want to try for another pair, but I don’t have time to keep sending them back. May just swear off this shape for good 😫
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the only problem with mine is they will chuck off some.
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I must be having bad luck. Makes me want to get multiple pair and just combine the good wheels, but that’s madness.

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Any other brand make a wide wheel like the RFs? You know, besides OJ Chubbies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5aOf0TukU&t=581s this guy has like 4 setups with them he does a pretty good breakdown of the issues hes faced.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: roba on October 23, 2023, 03:26:05 AM
Speaking of Loophole...
Since they are very probably using hlc, thank you for posting the catalog a few pages ago,
https://mfg.hlcdist.com/wp-content/uploads/catalogos/hlc-oem-catalogue-skateboard.pdf

I couldn't help but notice that on Loophole's site they're saying all of their new wheels are 100a. Cross checking with the catalog, the MT shape for example, only comes in at 98a. But what does a Butter formula feel like? I sent them a message but they didn't answer of course. Shops around here don't carry them, so ordering and getting an unwanted surprise isn't much fun. How conflicting. I may just end up buying F4s again.

jart sent a blank set of 98a butter formula wheels to the shop for us to try out, they were 54mm and conical shape. i gave em to a homie but skated em on his set up and they felt like a slightly worse f4 (99). good grip, decent slide (comparable to a f4 on smooth ground, worse on not so smooth ground - if i remember them right, even the 97a f4 broke into slides easier on harsher ground, but these butters slide ok too, it just takes more effort), they hold speed well, the slides have a loud and satisfying sound and they work alright on shitty ground, maybe even a little better than the 99 f4, but worse than the 97 f4. never had dragons or x formulas or anything bones in the last 10 years so nothing to say there. basically they're pretty good wheels. i think that's the closest a wheel felt to a f4 i've ridden, but they still don't feel like f4s.

oh yeah and they flatspotted on him later, but it evened out pretty quick.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 23, 2023, 05:34:41 AM
Any insider information about more bones X formula shapes coming soon? I'm waiting for the two shapes they left out so far, V2 or V3.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 23, 2023, 01:06:54 PM
I just noticed that dragons have trouble sticking to barriers.

I'm over it. GD this sucks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 23, 2023, 01:47:16 PM
Let’s hope third times a charm:

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXp0B7/IMG-3790.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXp0B7)

Gonna do a bunch of shuvs and hope they don’t lock up again. I have a feeling they’ll be fine. No way I’ll get three defective sets of Spitfires back-to-back-to-back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 23, 2023, 06:34:27 PM
Let’s hope third times a charm:

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXp0B7/IMG-3790.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXp0B7)

Gonna do a bunch of shuvs and hope they don’t lock up again. I have a feeling they’ll be fine. No way I’ll get three defective sets of Spitfires back-to-back-to-back.


(https://i.ibb.co/X7mGxDx/IMG-3774.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X7mGxDx)
Got my replacement wheels. Let’s hope these also don’t lock up. I love this shape. Hopefully it being slightly softer helps too in this cold weather. I only skate smooth tennis courts, but there’s lots of leafs and those spinner things on them lately since it’s fall.


So just checking, which wheels did you have before - Kader puffs in what size?

I see you now have Radial Full 97 duro 54 mm, which are having the same issue?


The set of the Radial Full 97 duro 54 mm wheels I have are doing fine, as are some Kader puffs I got too (thankfully) but it is definitely something to check and make sure, as per other sets I have that I am yet to skate / setup, which I am going to just make sure the bearings are seated correctly, rather than sit on them indefinitely and then realise that there is a problem with them later on.


I think that post got lost - last post on the last page, so I am guessing you didn't see it.


Hopefully they work nicely for you!




Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 24, 2023, 03:20:46 AM
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Let’s hope third times a charm:

(https://i.ibb.co/GkXp0B7/IMG-3790.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GkXp0B7)

Gonna do a bunch of shuvs and hope they don’t lock up again. I have a feeling they’ll be fine. No way I’ll get three defective sets of Spitfires back-to-back-to-back.
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Got my replacement wheels. Let’s hope these also don’t lock up. I love this shape. Hopefully it being slightly softer helps too in this cold weather. I only skate smooth tennis courts, but there’s lots of leafs and those spinner things on them lately since it’s fall.
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So just checking, which wheels did you have before - Kader puffs in what size?

I see you now have Radial Full 97 duro 54 mm, which are having the same issue?


The set of the Radial Full 97 duro 54 mm wheels I have are doing fine, as are some Kader puffs I got too (thankfully) but it is definitely something to check and make sure, as per other sets I have that I am yet to skate / setup, which I am going to just make sure the bearings are seated correctly, rather than sit on them indefinitely and then realise that there is a problem with them later on.


I think that post got lost - last post on the last page, so I am guessing you didn't see it.


Hopefully they work nicely for you!
I had the Kaders in 54, the 97a in 54 too, both RFs. Both locked up. My new ones are the Lock-In Fulls in 55. Gonna test them in a few hours 😃

Glad yours work!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 24, 2023, 06:25:44 AM
Happy to report that the Lock-In Fulls work flawlessly! Did 50 shuvs to test them and rode my board both ways. They’re great for going over leafs and debris 🍁

(https://i.ibb.co/qR2bQmv/IMG-3799.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qR2bQmv)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 24, 2023, 03:58:40 PM
Happy to report that the Lock-In Fulls work flawlessly! Did 50 shuvs to test them and rode my board both ways. They’re great for going over leafs and debris 🍁

(https://i.ibb.co/qR2bQmv/IMG-3799.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qR2bQmv)



Yeah, glad for that.

I also like the fact that the newer ones, both regular and full shapes are not completely flat backed, like the regular ones used to be, so they do feel a lot more like the OJ Mini Combo shape, slightly more rounded almost like a Radial on the inside edge and more like a Conical Full on the outside edge.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Vexed on October 25, 2023, 10:49:49 AM
Any insider information about more bones X formula shapes coming soon? I'm waiting for the two shapes they left out so far, V2 or V3.

Response I received from skateone:

“ As of now, we are still discussing the shapes and sizes to manufacture. I will go ahead and report your feedback to the manager to see if that shape is something that will be produced in the future.”
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: evan.tuazon on October 25, 2023, 10:55:54 AM
loophole wheels are hella grippy

coming from skating spitfire f4s literally all the time,

I tried to powerslide in front of my homie and i ate it hahaha
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on October 25, 2023, 12:04:02 PM
loophole wheels are hella grippy

coming from skating spitfire f4s literally all the time,

I tried to powerslide in front of my homie and i ate it hahaha


from the newest batch im assuming?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: evan.tuazon on October 25, 2023, 02:44:01 PM
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loophole wheels are hella grippy x

coming from skating spitfire f4s literally all the time,

I tried to powerslide in front of my homie and i ate it hahaha
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from the newest batch im assuming?

yeah they were these ones

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0705/3851/files/LWBG52_1600x.jpg?v=1685992683)

i just got too obsessive with branding i guess... i just wanted to support local brands (sf) but i didn't really think about the function of it. they're all hand made which is really impressive, they have a lot of imperfections but are still a functioning wheel. i just wouldnt take them down our steep ass sf hills.

maybe if i was skating a super slippery LA park, i'd def rock them...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on October 25, 2023, 02:46:50 PM
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loophole wheels are hella grippy x

coming from skating spitfire f4s literally all the time,

I tried to powerslide in front of my homie and i ate it hahaha
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from the newest batch im assuming?
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yeah they were these ones

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0705/3851/files/LWBG52_1600x.jpg?v=1685992683)

i just got too obsessive with branding i guess... i just wanted to support local brands (sf) but i didn't really think about the function of it. they're all hand made which is really impressive, they have a lot of imperfections but are still a functioning wheel. i just wouldnt take them down our steep ass sf hills.

maybe if i was skating a super slippery LA park, i'd def rock them...

ah yeah technically the second newest batch, they switched up wheel manufacturers again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on October 25, 2023, 03:17:22 PM
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loophole wheels are hella grippy x

coming from skating spitfire f4s literally all the time,

I tried to powerslide in front of my homie and i ate it hahaha
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from the newest batch im assuming?
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yeah they were these ones

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0705/3851/files/LWBG52_1600x.jpg?v=1685992683)

i just got too obsessive with branding i guess... i just wanted to support local brands (sf) but i didn't really think about the function of it. they're all hand made which is really impressive, they have a lot of imperfections but are still a functioning wheel. i just wouldnt take them down our steep ass sf hills.

maybe if i was skating a super slippery LA park, i'd def rock them...

Yea these are from acid wheel co I think, that coke white is a giveaway
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SpuytenDuvyilEphemera on October 25, 2023, 04:04:21 PM
Usual 58 mm FF 97a or 99a rider with first dragon 58 mm 93a coming in mail. Going to attempt to use for neighborhood street skating.  Last time I had bones were the skatepark tech formula which I absolutely hated-- sounded like plastic, though ill admit were absurdly fast in smooth bowls, so I really have no reference Powell wheel frame of reference for cruisers.  Ran some Powell bombers on a cruiser way back in the day that I largely enjoyed.  In the past, I've had trouble 180ing on softer than 97a wheels, so curious how this will go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 25, 2023, 07:06:54 PM
The good homie sending some rescue spits in 58.

Gonna celebrate with trying to film a line. I have trouble asking people to film me.

To get like a good trick in a line that's exciting at 45 is almost afools errand.

Unless you got like a whole day with the perfect like two ledges in a row and a down ass filmer.

Get some 270 action going. That's allit really takes. Try to mirror that shit or something.

Now you're being a true skate board artist in my opinion.

I hope some fresh wheels will ignite that within my future.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on October 26, 2023, 06:48:33 AM
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Any insider information about more bones X formula shapes coming soon? I'm waiting for the two shapes they left out so far, V2 or V3.
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Response I received from skateone:

“ As of now, we are still discussing the shapes and sizes to manufacture. I will go ahead and report your feedback to the manager to see if that shape is something that will be produced in the future.”

Thanks for that. Super weird to me, just sell your usual shapes bones...please?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 26, 2023, 06:53:54 AM
Weirdest shit:

Been on these X99 for about 20hrs now. I do a ton of noseslides and crooks and I calipered all my wheels last night and all but my front heelside wheel are 53.25 (thanks Bones for extra mm!) and that wheel is 52.2. It's also more coned.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on October 26, 2023, 07:49:40 AM
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loophole wheels are hella grippy x

coming from skating spitfire f4s literally all the time,

I tried to powerslide in front of my homie and i ate it hahaha
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from the newest batch im assuming?
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yeah they were these ones

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0705/3851/files/LWBG52_1600x.jpg?v=1685992683)

i just got too obsessive with branding i guess... i just wanted to support local brands (sf) but i didn't really think about the function of it. they're all hand made which is really impressive, they have a lot of imperfections but are still a functioning wheel. i just wouldnt take them down our steep ass sf hills.

maybe if i was skating a super slippery LA park, i'd def rock them...
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Yea these are from acid wheel co I think, that coke white is a giveaway
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4b32f0_3db9a045d2fa4e53882f288e38c02963~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_500,h_333,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/4b32f0_3db9a045d2fa4e53882f288e38c02963~mv2.jpg)
Anyone try their newest newest batch? The color is promising but it really is a shame that MFG got out of the business. That formula was my favorite and was considering switching from f4 before they called it quits.

EDIT: I just saw the talk of the HLC wheels above that I missed earlier. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: OhioGuy on October 26, 2023, 08:04:16 AM
I haven’t heard back from Deluxe after I showed them my second set of RFs were defective. But I sent both sets back anyway. Hopefully they send me some other wheels since I’d be out $40. Will never buy that shape again.

I had my second session on the Lock-In Fulls and they skate like a dream. Gonna hold on to these for a minute.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 27, 2023, 05:13:14 PM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/20-sf-fl23-d2-burners.jpg)


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 27, 2023, 07:27:05 PM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/20-sf-fl23-d2-burners.jpg)
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I bet
These and the sapphires are factory seconds that got cut and pushed out there.

I think it's the same with the dragons at 93a.

Bones put out what they thought was going to be the weakest product in killer old shapes and with a new gospel for Old timers knees. Then followed up with a slightly stronger one until they arrived at Andy's wheel. Which probably has all the kinks worked out. Or they need his name power to get out from underneath the back stock of soft shit.

Bet spit does it too. Skate the industry probably about to die. It's just going to be us again.

It's a good thing that the worst products of the day are better than the best flat spotted potatoes of my childhood.

I wish spit would do tall and skinny wheel. Clear f4 if possible. Like bones used to do. Hard ass clear wheels.

Or see them do a 66.6mm 99.9a limited run with sane riding surface. Like the Bullet 66s were. Then you can do 7ply risers.

I know of 5 heads around town who would make incredible use of such a tool. They ride speed wheels and reissue bones.

It's gotta be f4 tho or just forget it. Not a soul other than I is going to buy a big vintage shape more than once.

That why I think all else is gotta be factory seconds.
Why fuck around when you got the golden goose and bones dragons ain't even close to #2? Whether people know it or not yet.

I took 4 or so mm off my 58mm dragons. Thats a commitment considering the down sides and I'm 100 street.
I don't wanna die in the morning dew on the way to the bus. I can see it coming.

It is tough going back tho. I miss the coasting.
If dragons weren't so slippery on wet I'd stick it out.
If they had the rat bone two in the x99 I'd try again. I'd try Andy's wheel if it was closer to 60mm

Also
It's probably why they targeted us old folk. We are suckas who bought endless bridge and traction bolts and allowed the industry to sell a standardized version of everything for 30 years.

Besides we need to get these lazy ass 50mm pros flipping in and out at 30 mph ok.
Get um on team big ass wheels. Let go of the ride on grinds too. I wanna see ride on inverts like Gonz in braids but faster
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on October 28, 2023, 11:03:13 AM
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loophole wheels are hella grippy x

coming from skating spitfire f4s literally all the time,

I tried to powerslide in front of my homie and i ate it hahaha
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from the newest batch im assuming?
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yeah they were these ones

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0705/3851/files/LWBG52_1600x.jpg?v=1685992683)

i just got too obsessive with branding i guess... i just wanted to support local brands (sf) but i didn't really think about the function of it. they're all hand made which is really impressive, they have a lot of imperfections but are still a functioning wheel. i just wouldnt take them down our steep ass sf hills.

maybe if i was skating a super slippery LA park, i'd def rock them...
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Yea these are from acid wheel co I think, that coke white is a giveaway
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(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/4b32f0_3db9a045d2fa4e53882f288e38c02963~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_500,h_333,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/4b32f0_3db9a045d2fa4e53882f288e38c02963~mv2.jpg)
Anyone try their newest newest batch? The color is promising but it really is a shame that MFG got out of the business. That formula was my favorite and was considering switching from f4 before they called it quits.

EDIT: I just saw the talk of the HLC wheels above that I missed earlier. Thanks for the info.

Thirsty has them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on October 28, 2023, 11:53:18 AM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/20-sf-fl23-d2-burners.jpg)
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I bet
These and the sapphires are factory seconds that got cut and pushed out there.

I think it's the same with the dragons at 93a.

Bones put out what they thought was going to be the weakest product in killer old shapes and with a new gospel for Old timers knees. Then followed up with a slightly stronger one until they arrived at Andy's wheel. Which probably has all the kinks worked out. Or they need his name power to get out from underneath the back stock of soft shit.

Bet spit does it too. Skate the industry probably about to die. It's just going to be us again.

It's a good thing that the worst products of the day are better than the best flat spotted potatoes of my childhood.

I wish spit would do tall and skinny wheel. Clear f4 if possible. Like bones used to do. Hard ass clear wheels.

Or see them do a 66.6mm 99.9a limited run with sane riding surface. Like the Bullet 66s were. Then you can do 7ply risers.

I know of 5 heads around town who would make incredible use of such a tool. They ride speed wheels and reissue bones.

It's gotta be f4 tho or just forget it. Not a soul other than I is going to buy a big vintage shape more than once.

That why I think all else is gotta be factory seconds.
Why fuck around when you got the golden goose and bones dragons ain't even close to #2? Whether people know it or not yet.

I took 4 or so mm off my 58mm dragons. Thats a commitment considering the down sides and I'm 100 street.
I don't wanna die in the morning dew on the way to the bus. I can see it coming.

It is tough going back tho. I miss the coasting.
If dragons weren't so slippery on wet I'd stick it out.
If they had the rat bone two in the x99 I'd try again. I'd try Andy's wheel if it was closer to 60mm

Also
It's probably why they targeted us old folk. We are suckas who bought endless bridge and traction bolts and allowed the industry to sell a standardized version of everything for 30 years.

Besides we need to get these lazy ass 50mm pros flipping in and out at 30 mph ok team big ass wheels. Let's go fuck the ride on grinds too. I wanna see ride on inverts like Gonz in braids but faster

Here’s my guess, these “Burners” are most likely the old F-1 urethane in 99 instead of the 98 and 100 they used to come in before F-4. Probably an attempt to get some of the market share from Bones entry level 100s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on October 29, 2023, 06:33:08 PM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/20-sf-fl23-d2-burners.jpg)
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I bet
These and the sapphires are factory seconds that got cut and pushed out there.

I think it's the same with the dragons at 93a.

Bones put out what they thought was going to be the weakest product in killer old shapes and with a new gospel for Old timers knees. Then followed up with a slightly stronger one until they arrived at Andy's wheel. Which probably has all the kinks worked out. Or they need his name power to get out from underneath the back stock of soft shit.

Bet spit does it too. Skate the industry probably about to die. It's just going to be us again.

It's a good thing that the worst products of the day are better than the best flat spotted potatoes of my childhood.

I wish spit would do tall and skinny wheel. Clear f4 if possible. Like bones used to do. Hard ass clear wheels.

Or see them do a 66.6mm 99.9a limited run with sane riding surface. Like the Bullet 66s were. Then you can do 7ply risers.

I know of 5 heads around town who would make incredible use of such a tool. They ride speed wheels and reissue bones.

It's gotta be f4 tho or just forget it. Not a soul other than I is going to buy a big vintage shape more than once.

That why I think all else is gotta be factory seconds.
Why fuck around when you got the golden goose and bones dragons ain't even close to #2? Whether people know it or not yet.

I took 4 or so mm off my 58mm dragons. Thats a commitment considering the down sides and I'm 100 street.
I don't wanna die in the morning dew on the way to the bus. I can see it coming.

It is tough going back tho. I miss the coasting.
If dragons weren't so slippery on wet I'd stick it out.
If they had the rat bone two in the x99 I'd try again. I'd try Andy's wheel if it was closer to 60mm

Also
It's probably why they targeted us old folk. We are suckas who bought endless bridge and traction bolts and allowed the industry to sell a standardized version of everything for 30 years.

Besides we need to get these lazy ass 50mm pros flipping in and out at 30 mph ok team big ass wheels. Let's go fuck the ride on grinds too. I wanna see ride on inverts like Gonz in braids but faster
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Here’s my guess, these “Burners” are most likely the old F-1 urethane in 99 instead of the 98 and 100 they used to come in before F-4. Probably an attempt to get some of the market share from Bones entry level 100s.

Hmm. I never got to try that stuff I don't think.

I had Bones DTF I got them at Brick house I think. It's the only early no flat spot formula wheel I tried.

These wheels scream Jagger Eaton Pro Middle.

Our kids would never. They want War Paint mix with f4 just like me
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2023, 09:04:28 AM
Here’s my guess, these “Burners” are most likely the old F-1 urethane in 99 instead of the 98 and 100 they used to come in before F-4. Probably an attempt to get some of the market share from Bones entry level 100s.

Flat spot city.

As for Dragons/X Fomula...I feel more pros are using them on the downlow...Bones called out the boss riding them (could jsut be testing them out); Prods riding them 'out in the streets'...they've a bigger reach than you think, regardless how you feel about them and && nano cubic wheel isn't going to change anything market-wise.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: notinternetfamous on November 01, 2023, 09:15:48 AM
spitfire brought back the OG classics in F4 formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2023, 09:21:02 AM
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Here’s my guess, these “Burners” are most likely the old F-1 urethane in 99 instead of the 98 and 100 they used to come in before F-4. Probably an attempt to get some of the market share from Bones entry level 100s.
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Flat spot city.

Good old Shitfires
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 01, 2023, 09:23:26 AM
spitfire brought back the OG classics in F4 formula
Is there a big difference between the OG classics and regular conicals? Seems like they're the same shape with a slightly wider riding surface
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on November 01, 2023, 02:07:52 PM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/20-sf-fl23-d2-burners.jpg)

I'd wager the deal is simply Spitfire trying to offer a product that absolute beginners might consider. Sure, there are those types of people who always get the high end stuff even if they just dip their toes into something, but the majority of people will get an entry level product first. Here in Europe F4s go for 70 Euros now (about 116 AUSD for my friends Down Under), not many beginners are willing to invest that much into wheels if there are options that cost them less than half. If these are going for, say, 40 Euros, I can see people pay a little more to get some Spitfires because consumers in general are drawn to the products of high(er)-end brands even if they can't or won't splurge for the real top of the line stuff. See any and all outlet malls for that general mechanism... So long story short, probably no real value added to the market with those things.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 01, 2023, 05:55:56 PM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



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I'd wager the deal is simply Spitfire trying to offer a product that absolute beginners might consider. Sure, there are those types of people who always get the high end stuff even if they just dip their toes into something, but the majority of people will get an entry level product first. Here in Europe F4s go for 70 Euros now (about 116 AUSD for my friends Down Under), not many beginners are willing to invest that much into wheels if there are options that cost them less than half. If these are going for, say, 40 Euros, I can see people pay a little more to get some Spitfires because consumers in general are drawn to the products of high(er)-end brands even if they can't or won't splurge for the real top of the line stuff. See any and all outlet malls for that general mechanism... So long story short, probably no real value added to the market with those things.


Yeah they sure are going up in price, as per everything DLX actually - wheels, trucks, wood, etc.

Agreed with all you said there too.  I am not keen to get any, but then I still want to get at least one set in to put on a board for people to try, also so I can see what they are like, more than anything.

I still see some people I know getting the original formula from other shops / places, then flatspotting them first session and asking me why, to which I reply "Just get Formula Four wheels.  You know they are going to hold up way better." or something similar.  Had that conversation quite a few times recently including yesterday at the indoor park, often with people who should know better, but I can't make them get better wheels when they don't want to pay the price for Formula Four wheels and go with the cheaper option.





Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on November 01, 2023, 09:13:52 PM
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Is there a big difference between the OG classics and regular conicals? Seems like they're the same shape with a slightly wider riding surface
They’re pretty similar. I started riding the regular conicals once the OG classics became unavailable. OGs have a slightly wider contact patch while also being just slightly more narrow. OGs have more of a square profile while conicals have a more angled edge.

In terms of the way they skate, they’re also pretty similar. I think the conicals lock into grinds better and grind further (less drag). The OGs feel more like a wide wheel. They offer a little more control and stability, and are slightly better at cruising over stuff
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on November 02, 2023, 06:01:53 AM
Good drop, regular lock ins back in 53/101 and 54/97a Conical Full - fav wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 03, 2023, 06:57:22 AM
Guys hear me out.... Bones X formula, but 103a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 03, 2023, 07:43:59 AM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/20-sf-fl23-d2-burners.jpg)
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I'd wager the deal is simply Spitfire trying to offer a product that absolute beginners might consider. Sure, there are those types of people who always get the high end stuff even if they just dip their toes into something, but the majority of people will get an entry level product first. Here in Europe F4s go for 70 Euros now (about 116 AUSD for my friends Down Under), not many beginners are willing to invest that much into wheels if there are options that cost them less than half. If these are going for, say, 40 Euros, I can see people pay a little more to get some Spitfires because consumers in general are drawn to the products of high(er)-end brands even if they can't or won't splurge for the real top of the line stuff. See any and all outlet malls for that general mechanism... So long story short, probably no real value added to the market with those things.

I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on November 03, 2023, 07:49:56 AM
Guys hear me out.... Bones X formula, but 103a

what was wrong with the STF formula... if you wanted wheels that hard, why are we even bothering trying to be cruisery at this point? i think going above 97 didnt really make sense other thna to try and compete with f4s.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 03, 2023, 07:55:29 AM
X97 and X99 are my go to dusty indoor skatepark wheels nowadays. Fast enough but with a lot less of slipping out than with e.g. F4's.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 03, 2023, 08:05:23 AM
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Guys hear me out.... Bones X formula, but 103a
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what was wrong with the STF formula... if you wanted wheels that hard, why are we even bothering trying to be cruisery at this point? i think going above 97 didnt really make sense other thna to try and compete with f4s.

x97 and x99 serve different needs and I wouldn't say the x99 is trying to compete with anything spitfire; the urethanes are completely different regardless of durometer. You could make an x101 and it still wouldn't skate the same as a 101 F4 due to rebound.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on November 03, 2023, 03:16:55 PM
I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 03, 2023, 04:14:50 PM
I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do

good question that i don’t have the answer for. i haven’t skated radials, or conicals, had several sets of conical fulls just to make sure i didn’t like them (i actually sorta like these 52 101 cf, but do t love). i’ve got radial fulls set up on a board for little kids to ride, they are fun for that.

i think i’d enjoy radials out of the ones you mentioned
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 03, 2023, 11:35:05 PM
spitfire brought back the OG classics in F4 formula

Where tho. I'm like seconds away from buying bones big rigs 90mm stf 99s or 58mm x99s

Does anyone know where I can get a Bones promo code?

Also hearing the boss is riding some type of dragons too makes me wanna use the x99 formula.

Has anyone tried that on smooth skate park ground? Did they slide?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on November 03, 2023, 11:35:46 PM
I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do

Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 03, 2023, 11:36:33 PM
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spitfire brought back the OG classics in F4 formula
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Is there a big difference between the OG classics and regular conicals? Seems like they're the same shape with a slightly wider riding surface

Og classic I think is thinner than the conical fulls. My 56mm Connie seemed wider than my 58og
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 03, 2023, 11:41:24 PM
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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do
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good question that i don’t have the answer for. i haven’t skated radials, or conicals, had several sets of conical fulls just to make sure i didn’t like them (i actually sorta like these 52 101 cf, but do t love). i’ve got radial fulls set up on a board for little kids to ride, they are fun for that.

i think i’d enjoy radials out of the ones you mentioned

I say radials are basically the same. Maybe a tad bit heavier because they are less cut. They won't loose riding surface after you pass the max width like a Connie
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on November 04, 2023, 04:10:07 AM
I think Im done with Radial Fulls shape. I cant seem to find a good balance with them in any of my setups. First I was kinda stoked on them but now I think they're feeling way too heavy and clumsy for everything but bombing hills, lol. Back on more square cut and slimmer rounder wheels for the rest of my life.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: chronicbackpain on November 04, 2023, 05:55:47 AM
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spitfire brought back the OG classics in F4 formula
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Where tho. I'm like seconds away from buying bones big rigs 90mm stf 99s or 58mm x99s

Does anyone know where I can get a Bones promo code?

Also hearing the boss is riding some type of dragons too makes me wanna use the x99 formula.

Has anyone tried that on smooth skate park ground? Did they slide?
Marriage Skateshop has the F4 OGs.

What Spitfire wheel is the closest to 58mm OJ Original 99a OJ? I haven’t skated non-Spitfires in ten years and am wheel-curious.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on November 04, 2023, 11:23:33 AM
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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do
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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics

Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it :)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 04, 2023, 12:06:38 PM
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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do
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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics
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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it :)

no. just no man. fuck no.

classics are the best.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on November 04, 2023, 03:32:29 PM
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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do
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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics
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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it :)
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no. just no man. fuck no.

classics are the best.

Someone, please, gnar this man.

Classics forever!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 04, 2023, 04:26:59 PM
I like classics. I just prefer the og. It's definitely the best shape. Its light for it's size
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 04, 2023, 04:39:52 PM
I like classics. I just prefer the og. It's definitely the best shape. Its light for it's size

never skated the og’s.
had to have classics, in the 60 size, when we saw ee3.

here’s part of my beef with big wide wheels: imma still skate slow as shit cuz i’m scared. so then it looks like i’m the type of person that needs to open carry, just in case. got the 4x4 truck to drive to the grocery store. just in case. wearing rain boots, you never know.
like i want to be about it. i, very sadly, am not, bout it bout it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2023, 05:23:28 PM
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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do
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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics
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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it :)



The funny thing with wheel shape is very much down to personal opinion.  How people skate really makes a huge difference to product choice / wheel shape too, which I realised when I skated quite a few different shapes just to see what they were like / to compare what worked and what didn't on different things.

I have some of pretty much everything, shape wise, even using a grinder to reshape wheels to make them a little more comfortable for me, but it is interesting that I have had to change wheels (or get out a different board with other wheels on it) for some sessions.

Quite simply Classics and the rounder edge wheels will definitely get on and off coping or edges more easily than more square or sharp edge profile wheels, including OG Classics, Conical shapes, but this changes through the life of the wheel too, so a well worn wheel will perform differently to a brand new wheel, some shapes more than others.

I think I prefer wheels around 54-56 mm, but I have wheels down to 50 on some boards, and as big as 60 on other boards.  In general a slightly more round edge with a wider riding surface works best, so maybe something like Radials are an excellent wheel choice as an all rounder for me, but even Classics worn down a few mm are about right, especially the bigger ones that wear down to a more comfortable size and I have had a lot of Classic Full shaped wheels in the past, mainly 56 mm which are 37 mm wide.

Skating Conical Full 53 and 54 mm from new just feels weird for some reason, but once they have worn down a bit and hit with the grinder, they are pretty much perfect for what I want too.  As it is the most common shape people I know ride now, I get a lot of them swapped back in after wearing them down a mm or two, so that is what I have mostly on my usual boards for the last couple of years.

For a couple of parks that were a little more slippery on the coping (yeah people waxed coping on the bowl) I found I needed the 54 mm Conical Full wheels from new to not slip out as much, as the 56 mm Classics I was riding there just didn't hold on enough, so a little more grip from the squared profile wheels can help in some situations.

Classics under 54 mm always felt too thin for me, but I know other people who are all about the 52 mm Classics, some even going down to 50 or 51 for the thinner profile wheel on very tech type setups.

All the other shapes do have their uses, so I understand why people will prefer certain wheels over others, especially if they can explain what they prefer, or why some wheels work better and some wheels are just not for them too.


That is not even getting into the different duro options now too, but the normal 99 duro is just the best all rounder, the 101s often feeling just a bit funny, but the 97s pretty much perfect for some situations too, where grip or not slipping out is a must, but again that is just my take on duro optoins in the Formula Four wheels. 

I also have other wheels in 90 and 92 duro which are great on so many things as a cruiser / softer option, then other wheels that just make no sense to me at all with some of the compounds, being too slippery on wood or metal but being too grippy on raw concrete or bitumen roads - not naming brands or wheel manufacturers, but I can easily see why Spitfire and Bones are thought to be the two main (and only) options for a lot of people.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 04, 2023, 06:14:14 PM
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I'm a Conical and Conical Full F4 lover since 2020 (tried f4 for the first time after a decade of virtually only Bones STF)

How would a radial compare to a Conical or conical full performance wise?  They LOOK similar enough at a glance. I'm interested in actual feedback and not specs since I can look those up myself.

I've only been running those two shapes in 52-54mm at 99 or 101 since I switched from Bones. I Prefer 99 For everything though. 99 radials could be a good alternative to C/CF 99D dryspells if they skate like how I think they do
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Depends on what you’re going for. The lock in on a conical is superior to that of a radial. The radial however will roll over coping and curbs easier because of the rounder edge. I think the contact patch is smaller on the radial too, and might suffer on tougher ground. You could also look at the rereleased OG classics
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Good point. I'm all over the place: tech, manuals, grinds, flatground, quarter/transition skating, some hill bombing here and there, etc. Lately, park and some low impact street. Conical and Conical Full in 52-54mm is pretty ideal for me: not too cumbersome, nor too tiny. I like a versatile wheel but I also like a wide enough contact patch to stay gripped on smoother surfaces. I don't like my wheels to feel narrow like I'm on tic tacs

OG Classics look like too hefty of a wheel (maybe it's in my head) so I'm apprehensive to try those. If radial is adjacent to C/CF in my ideal or slightly larger sizes, then I'm interested. If not, maybe I'll pass. If they roll over curbs and coping easier that sounds like a win. Sometimes my C/CFs take more effort to roll over to initiate the lock in the longer I skate them.

Wanted a decent/close substitute since CF/C 99d 53/54mm sells out often from most shops I've seen in the last couple years.

I will say that I cannot stand Spitfire's Classic shape or any other brand that makes a wheel shape like that.  Absolutely terrible riding surface width, doesn't stay locked in/rolls out of locked grinds prematurely, doesn't slide that well (for me it seems), and they just look weird to me. Anyone else feel that way?


Thanks everyone that's shared some feedback! Appreciate it :)
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The funny thing with wheel shape is very much down to personal opinion.  How people skate really makes a huge difference to product choice / wheel shape too, which I realised when I skated quite a few different shapes just to see what they were like / to compare what worked and what didn't on different things.

I have some of pretty much everything, shape wise, even using a grinder to reshape wheels to make them a little more comfortable for me, but it is interesting that I have had to change wheels (or get out a different board with other wheels on it) for some sessions.

Quite simply Classics and the rounder edge wheels will definitely get on and off coping or edges more easily than more square or sharp edge profile wheels, including OG Classics, Conical shapes, but this changes through the life of the wheel too, so a well worn wheel will perform differently to a brand new wheel, some shapes more than others.

I think I prefer wheels around 54-56 mm, but I have wheels down to 50 on some boards, and as big as 60 on other boards.  In general a slightly more round edge with a wider riding surface works best, so maybe something like Radials are an excellent wheel choice as an all rounder for me, but even Classics worn down a few mm are about right, especially the bigger ones that wear down to a more comfortable size and I have had a lot of Classic Full shaped wheels in the past, mainly 56 mm which are 37 mm wide.

Skating Conical Full 53 and 54 mm from new just feels weird for some reason, but once they have worn down a bit and hit with the grinder, they are pretty much perfect for what I want too.  As it is the most common shape people I know ride now, I get a lot of them swapped back in after wearing them down a mm or two, so that is what I have mostly on my usual boards for the last couple of years.

For a couple of parks that were a little more slippery on the coping (yeah people waxed coping on the bowl) I found I needed the 54 mm Conical Full wheels from new to not slip out as much, as the 56 mm Classics I was riding there just didn't hold on enough, so a little more grip from the squared profile wheels can help in some situations.

Classics under 54 mm always felt too thin for me, but I know other people who are all about the 52 mm Classics, some even going down to 50 or 51 for the thinner profile wheel on very tech type setups.

All the other shapes do have their uses, so I understand why people will prefer certain wheels over others, especially if they can explain what they prefer, or why some wheels work better and some wheels are just not for them too.


That is not even getting into the different duro options now too, but the normal 99 duro is just the best all rounder, the 101s often feeling just a bit funny, but the 97s pretty much perfect for some situations too, where grip or not slipping out is a must, but again that is just my take on duro optoins in the Formula Four wheels. 

I also have other wheels in 90 and 92 duro which are great on so many things as a cruiser / softer option, then other wheels that just make no sense to me at all with some of the compounds, being too slippery on wood or metal but being too grippy on raw concrete or bitumen roads - not naming brands or wheel manufacturers, but I can easily see why Spitfire and Bones are thought to be the two main (and only) options for a lot of people.

I agree. I get stuck to some stuff front nose mostly. I just hit it from a different angle like a thunder. Try to leave a little room between the wheels and the sticky block.

I frickin slammed tonight. Earlier too. That one was funny.

This one I got a legit swellbow.

Cab accidental switch Manny infinity pivot to back.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on November 04, 2023, 07:43:25 PM
Did I read a couple of posts back that 58mm X99's were out??

If they did a 57/58mm V6 X99 that would be me set.

I can't get enough of the X99 formula. So versatile for everything. Fast and and lively just the right amount of grip/slip for me. I do wonder how that formula would feel in 101A - maybe the fastest wheel on earth. But I suppose that's what SPF's are for...

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bbk on November 05, 2023, 04:08:34 AM


I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.
Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 05, 2023, 06:14:42 AM
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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.
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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.

Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on November 05, 2023, 09:39:49 PM
What's been your most durable and overall best functioning cruiser wheel? I skated the Oj super juices twice, both times they chunked fast so I wont get them again. Keyframes felt a bit too hard for my taste. Is there any soft wheel that actually has lasted you at least a year or two? Paying full price for wheels that last you one summer just cruising feels like a scam.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Krooked antihero on November 05, 2023, 10:05:53 PM
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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.
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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.
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Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).
Based on your handle you’re here in Finland, and yeah most brick and mortar shops have them at 49-55€ but in blue tomato they’re 70€…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: AdditionalSlip on November 06, 2023, 03:18:25 AM
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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.
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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.
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Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).
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Based on your handle you’re here in Finland, and yeah most brick and mortar shops have them at 49-55€ but in blue tomato they’re 70€…

In france they just went up, they were originally 55€, they were 68€ for a bit, and now its 73€ on the last 2 drops…

I see a lot more oj, dialtone, haze and satori wheels now than a year ago
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 06, 2023, 07:33:18 AM
What's been your most durable and overall best functioning cruiser wheel? I skated the Oj super juices twice, both times they chunked fast so I wont get them again. Keyframes felt a bit too hard for my taste. Is there any soft wheel that actually has lasted you at least a year or two? Paying full price for wheels that last you one summer just cruising feels like a scam.

i've stuck with rough riders after similar issues/preferences you listed and have been happy enough
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2023, 09:07:28 AM
Did I read a couple of posts back that 58mm X99's were out??

If they did a 57/58mm V6 X99 that would be me set.

I can't get enough of the X99 formula. So versatile for everything. Fast and and lively just the right amount of grip/slip for me. I do wonder how that formula would feel in 101A - maybe the fastest wheel on earth. But I suppose that's what SPF's are for...



56mm V6

https://bones.com/bones-wheels-x-formula-skateboard-wheels-leaving-56mm-v6-wide-cut-99a-blk-4pk

58mm V5
https://bones.com/bones-wheels-x-formula-skateboard-wheels-timeless-machine-58mm-v5-sidecut-99a-4pk

Surely you can get away with either; the V5 at that size is plenty wide =D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 06, 2023, 11:33:12 AM
Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2023, 12:30:01 PM
Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks

MM being equal the v1 is lighter because it’s thinner.

V5 might lock in a bit better at small sizes due to the straight cut away…bigger you go the more wheel ya got to lock in.

Currently on 53mm v1 x99

I like both but prefer V3s ;)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 06, 2023, 12:43:48 PM
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Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks
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MM being equal the v1 is lighter because it’s thinner.

V5 might lock in a bit better at small sizes due to the straight cut away…bigger you go the more wheel ya got to lock in.

Currently on 53mm v1 x99

I like both but prefer V3s ;)

v1s were sick because flippy.

i dunno why i’m such a conical full hater, but i really loved the sfw mike anderson wheel. they were pretty soft, but rad to just ride wherever. maybe because they were only like 53s. dunno
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2023, 12:57:13 PM
I hate really wide or ‘full’ wheels, totally unnecessary imo; duro > wheel width (aaaw cute the wide wheel puss..er posse has bunched panties now, lol grow up).

And I’m a both a bitch about weight and not fake hesh enough to ride them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 06, 2023, 01:30:01 PM
I hate really wide or ‘full’ wheels, totally unnecessary imo; duro > wheel width.

And I’m a both a bitch about weight and not fake hesh enough to ride them.


oh right there with ya
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 06, 2023, 03:53:20 PM
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I don't know where you are in Europe but up here in Scandinavia we're not paying 70 euros for F4 wheels. More like 55 € on the average. Still pricey, but no way I'm gonna pay 70 € for a set of any wheel.
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Up here in scandinavia, sweden, f4's are 76 €, or 84 for 57 mm and up.
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Must be the bad rate of the krone. They're considerably cheaper where I live (not Sweden).
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Based on your handle you’re here in Finland, and yeah most brick and mortar shops have them at 49-55€ but in blue tomato they’re 70€…
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In france they just went up, they were originally 55€, they were 68€ for a bit, and now its 73€ on the last 2 drops…

I see a lot more oj, dialtone, haze and satori wheels now than a year ago


I think you will find too, older stock has not been marked up or is still at the price when they got the wheels in (which was a lower wholesale price, so lower RRP as well), but newer stock is a higher wholesale price now even for the same wheels that were $5 or so less last drop, or even some shops that keep up with the current price of wheels might mark everything up sooner, regardless of the age of their wheel stock.

There are still some shops here in AU that are a lot more expensive right away, while others have not marked everything up since their last stock drop, so I am guessing that also happens all over the world.

Make no mistake, prices are still going up, so what you see right now is not going to be the most you would pay for wheels in a drop or two from now, which sounds bad, but it is just what is going on with things going up and up and up...

Only one single dollar at the manufacturing / wholesale end often means up to ten dollars or more at the retail end.

Get them with discount codes or as cheap as you can with certain sales or other deals and you shouldn't have to pay full RRP if you are smart about it.


Sorry, that ended up sounding like a rant, but I didn't mean it to.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 07, 2023, 04:16:45 AM
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Anyone with a gram scale know which Bones wheel is lighter? V1 or V5?

Also, any noticeable difference in the way they skate?

Thanks
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MM being equal the v1 is lighter because it’s thinner.

V5 might lock in a bit better at small sizes due to the straight cut away…bigger you go the more wheel ya got to lock in.

Currently on 53mm v1 x99

I like both but prefer V3s ;)
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V3’s abso-freaking-lutely!

My favorite local has 53mm x99 v1’s, and I had my heart set on 52mm… but maybe I should stop fiending over a mm and go for it.

I think you probably gave a rundown on the x99’s a while back, but how is the impact absorption on them compared to the x97’s? I love the x97’s but it would be nice to have a less soft-sounding wheel again. And really want to try the v1 shape (been on v5’s for a few years now)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 07, 2023, 07:44:22 AM
anyone know of any shops that have the new loopholes? did they even distro to shops this round is another question i guess. was hoping to maybe find the 54mm that are sold out on the site but having no luck so far
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on November 07, 2023, 09:44:54 AM
anyone know of any shops that have the new loopholes? did they even distro to shops this round is another question i guess. was hoping to maybe find the 54mm that are sold out on the site but having no luck so far
https://thepremierstore.com/products/brush-classic-mt-shape-wheel-100a-54mm?_pos=4&_fid=47e721c42&_ss=c
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: gaunting on November 07, 2023, 10:13:19 AM
I hate really wide or ‘full’ wheels, totally unnecessary imo; duro > wheel width (aaaw cute the wide wheel puss..er posse has bunched panties now, lol grow up).

And I’m a both a bitch about weight and not fake hesh enough to ride them.

yo, same here. i tried to jump on the wide wheel train, and got some radial fulls. lasted 2 weeks max. lost full ability to flip a board. I’m sure there is some kind of benefit to riding them on transition, but I can’t even back 50-50 on a 4ft quarter. lmao
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on November 07, 2023, 10:33:35 AM
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anyone know of any shops that have the new loopholes? did they even distro to shops this round is another question i guess. was hoping to maybe find the 54mm that are sold out on the site but having no luck so far
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https://thepremierstore.com/products/brush-classic-mt-shape-wheel-100a-54mm?_pos=4&_fid=47e721c42&_ss=c

neat ty
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 07, 2023, 11:37:19 AM
I can't find the posts on here but I remember at some point some really smart people concluded that all else equal wider wheels would distribute vibrations better and break into slides easier than the equivalent durometer in a narrower wheel. It would then be logical that perhaps going down 1 step in duro on the narrower wheel still would not smooth things out as much as the larger wheel and come at the cost of also creating drag on slides.

I think this is why I still prefer 53 F4 99 Radials to the 53 X99 Bones V5. The Radials skate just as fast and feel pretty smooth on the asphalt I skate (which isn't super crusty), but faster in other scenarios and on ledges/coping. I don't think duro or width are independently the casual factor in a wheel performing a certain way and can see why people might want a narrower, softer wheel or a standard hardness wide wheel.

FWIW a shit ton of really tech pros skate wider wheels. A wider wheel might not absorb the same amount of shock from rolling over a crack, but it will distribute that roll over over a larger area. They can then have a wheel that still slides/grinds how they are used to but unlocks different types of terrain. Lots of kids local to me skate large/wide wheels are are definitely not hesh. A 54 conical full for them is likely going to be faster than a 52 V1 X series.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2023, 12:23:15 PM
i have the conical fulls in 52, 101s, and they are good.
there isn’t much doubt for me, that a wider wheel monster trucks over stuff better.

i talk big shit on big wheels, because me and my little wheels are usually out here whittlin in some parking lot. if i was gx’n then yes, big wheels.
speaking of which, i’ve been looking forward to setting up a board for outside of the parking lot/park, and more for transportation. time to put my 56 radial fulls to actual good use. these things look insane
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on November 07, 2023, 12:30:05 PM
I can't find the posts on here but I remember at some point some really smart people concluded that all else equal wider wheels would distribute vibrations better and break into slides easier than the equivalent durometer in a narrower wheel. It would then be logical that perhaps going down 1 step in duro on the narrower wheel still would not smooth things out as much as the larger wheel and come at the cost of also creating drag on slides.

I think this is why I still prefer 53 F4 99 Radials to the 53 X99 Bones V5. The Radials skate just as fast and feel pretty smooth on the asphalt I skate (which isn't super crusty), but faster in other scenarios and on ledges/coping. I don't think duro or width are independently the casual factor in a wheel performing a certain way and can see why people might want a narrower, softer wheel or a standard hardness wide wheel.

FWIW a shit ton of really tech pros skate wider wheels. A wider wheel might not absorb the same amount of shock from rolling over a crack, but it will distribute that roll over over a larger area. They can then have a wheel that still slides/grinds how they are used to but unlocks different types of terrain. Lots of kids local to me skate large/wide wheels are are definitely not hesh. A 54 conical full for them is likely going to be faster than a 52 V1 X series.

I think in this case its more just how actually shitty the asphalt is you're skating.

Radials are my Spitfire wheel of choice and the X99 v5s in the same diameter are very noticabley faster and smoother on the east coast crust at my local DIY.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
People need to let the x formula do it's crusty thing and stop trying to replace their spit 99s if they can't handle their perceived/experienced drawbacks. Let if fucking go already if SPits 'work better everywhere' for you and your locals.

Once you adjust to x99s 'in the streets' it's crazy how hard 99a F4s feel, they might as well be 103 SPFs on cobblestone, covered in loose pebbles.

I'd take a narrower, x [or 99a] over a wider wheel, "less vibration of a wider wheel", to save on weight. Especially since the x-formula is tailored to uh...reduce vibration...it's the whole point of the fucking wheel, thereby making it so you don't need a wide wheel to lessen vibration...but even PP isn't exempt from hesh marketing with their V6s.

One thing is for sure, my knees fucking LOVE the x-formula and prior to them, I wouldn't ride a 99a, 101 spit or 103 stf all day. It wasn't until I got older / had less smooth shit to skate that I even looked at 99a anything.

As an aside, FFS, counter/pick an argument with someone else for a change, it's fucking tired/old...but here we are in multiple threads again (..if the shoe fits...know what I mean). Get off my dick (unless, it is BECAUSE you a so enamored for some reason you WANT this D?).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 07, 2023, 06:32:46 PM
the point about the softer wheels helping the knees is a real one.
when were the p2 boards a thing? (i’m not talking polar, way back when ps stix made some performance/hybrid/composite deck). those things were stiff as heck. the timing frequently felt off, but when it worked, the pop was nuts.
but the extra stiffness went straight to the joints and it hurt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 07, 2023, 08:14:03 PM
People need to let the x formula do it's crusty thing and stop trying to replace their spit 99s if they can't handle their perceived/experienced drawbacks. Let if fucking go already if SPits 'work better everywhere' for you and your locals.


I mean this would be valid except bones claims they slide and grind just like a harder wheel in all their advertising so it’s fair enough to be disappointed that they squeal and drag on metal when coming from f4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 07, 2023, 09:01:16 PM
People need to let the x formula do it's crusty thing and stop trying to replace their spit 99s if they can't handle their perceived/experienced drawbacks. Let if fucking go already if SPits 'work better everywhere' for you and your locals.

Once you adjust to x99s 'in the streets' it's crazy how hard 99a F4s feel, they might as well be 103 SPFs on cobblestone, covered in loose pebbles.

I'd take a narrower, x [or 99a] over a wider wheel, "less vibration of a wider wheel", to save on weight. Especially since the x-formula is tailored to uh...reduce vibration...it's the whole point of the fucking wheel, thereby making it so you don't need a wide wheel to lessen vibration...but even PP isn't exempt from hesh marketing with their V6s.

One thing is for sure, my knees fucking LOVE the x-formula and prior to them, I wouldn't ride a 99a, 101 spit or 103 stf all day. It wasn't until I got older / had less smooth shit to skate that I even looked at 99a anything.

As an aside, FFS, counter/pick an argument with someone else for a change, it's fucking tired/old...but here we are in multiple threads again (..if the shoe fits...know what I mean). Get off my dick (unless, it is BECAUSE you a so enamored for some reason you WANT this D?).

You're a weird brand of sociopath. Like not cool enough to be in a frat, but the ultimate frat boy. The vibes are so strange. We don't agree about skateboard gear, I could care less if it was you or the Pope being a weirdo about wheels.

X formula is fine I like other stuff better as do others who really cares to the point of getting as mad as you seem to be. Sometimes I think you buy gear just to give it shitty reviews and start debates.

Your reading comprehension needs some work. I'm not saying a wide wheel is better than the x formula but you can get to a good spot with both approaches it just depends what sacrifices you want to make. I like riding them more as do others I know, I'm sure there's just as many who like the X and it's all good either way.

Your take is that whatever gear you ride is "the best" and nothing else can possibly be as highly optimized, whereas I view all this useless shit on a continuum and it's more interesting to hear why people like shit than winning a battle of best wheels.

Seriously tho the dick infatuation is like Superbad but you're a grown adult and have borderline date rape vibes about it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 07, 2023, 09:09:52 PM
Ya fr all dude said was sometimes harder wide wheels are preferable over soft skinny wheels for some reasons and u went batshit lol, never said that they were better objectively, or for you

if you can’t skate anything wider than a classic and have to run soft boys then you do you king but you’re definitely in a minority here

Also even if the wheel is softer, if it’s too skinny you still are more likely to get traintracked or caught up and stuck on some terrain over a wider harder wheel… been there
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 08, 2023, 12:25:54 PM
i went for a little night cruise on some radial full, 56, 99s. the wide helped, they still feel like skateboard wheels, which is nice.
many years ago, when i should have been forced to take a breathalyzer before stepping on my board, i setup a wide hill bomber with some soft wheels. went to speed check, instead just carved and accelerated. slam.

the roads in my parts are pretty jacked. should i just stick it out with the 99s, or try something softer?
the majority of the talk around the softer wheels, unless i’ve missed it, seems to come from the perspective of skating parks, curbs, etc.

what would someone recommend for very old roads/hills?

i tried rough riders, long ago, for just flatground long distance, and they were nice enough for that. one of the kids has some powell g wheels, the other has keyframes, all seem a bit too soft for speed checks, but maybe i’m wrong on that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2023, 01:02:52 PM
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People need to let the x formula do it's crusty thing and stop trying to replace their spit 99s if they can't handle their perceived/experienced drawbacks. Let if fucking go already if SPits 'work better everywhere' for you and your locals.

Once you adjust to x99s 'in the streets' it's crazy how hard 99a F4s feel, they might as well be 103 SPFs on cobblestone, covered in loose pebbles.

I'd take a narrower, x [or 99a] over a wider wheel, "less vibration of a wider wheel", to save on weight. Especially since the x-formula is tailored to uh...reduce vibration...it's the whole point of the fucking wheel, thereby making it so you don't need a wide wheel to lessen vibration...but even PP isn't exempt from hesh marketing with their V6s.

One thing is for sure, my knees fucking LOVE the x-formula and prior to them, I wouldn't ride a 99a, 101 spit or 103 stf all day. It wasn't until I got older / had less smooth shit to skate that I even looked at 99a anything.

As an aside, FFS, counter/pick an argument with someone else for a change, it's fucking tired/old...but here we are in multiple threads again (..if the shoe fits...know what I mean). Get off my dick (unless, it is BECAUSE you a so enamored for some reason you WANT this D?).
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You're a weird brand of sociopath. Like not cool enough to be in a frat, but the ultimate frat boy. The vibes are so strange. We don't agree about skateboard gear, I could care less if it was you or the Pope being a weirdo about wheels.

X formula is fine I like other stuff better as do others who really cares to the point of getting as mad as you seem to be. Sometimes I think you buy gear just to give it shitty reviews and start debates.

Your reading comprehension needs some work. I'm not saying a wide wheel is better than the x formula but you can get to a good spot with both approaches it just depends what sacrifices you want to make. I like riding them more as do others I know, I'm sure there's just as many who like the X and it's all good either way.

Your take is that whatever gear you ride is "the best" and nothing else can possibly be as highly optimized, whereas I view all this useless shit on a continuum and it's more interesting to hear why people like shit than winning a battle of best wheels.

Seriously tho the dick infatuation is like Superbad but you're a grown adult and have borderline date rape vibes about it.

Yup, I'm the socio - when all you do is follow me around the forum, posting almost right after me, every time, to counter (seriously go look at my posts, there you are.... Your infatuation since the royal thread is weird...x99s...Nb...you just have to get a word in to counter. every time. It's really creepy man. Seek help.

I actually thought you mellowed which is why I bothered to sell you shit, but you're right at it again.

Your MO is so transparent, it's no wonder more people than me call you out on it. Fucking hilarious dude. As for takes? Anything I don't like you feel like you have to white night...if I like it? You have to shit on it. Kettle black you cockholster. Don't bother replying, even tho you have to, cuz you can't resist, you won't get a peep out of me from now on.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 08, 2023, 01:46:53 PM
What's been your most durable and overall best functioning cruiser wheel? I skated the Oj super juices twice, both times they chunked fast so I wont get them again. Keyframes felt a bit too hard for my taste. Is there any soft wheel that actually has lasted you at least a year or two? Paying full price for wheels that last you one summer just cruising feels like a scam.
Not sure if they still sell them but Ricta clouds done me right since six/seven years ago.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2023, 03:30:10 PM
STF 99s are pretty trash, they feel like price points these days; better off with spit 99s if you’re not into the 99 x-formula offerings, of course that all being terrain dependent.

Now if you’re daring, the 103stfs actually feel on par with spit 99s (if not softer feeling believe it or not), it’s like the whole Bones line went soft.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 08, 2023, 03:41:11 PM
Does X99 bounce like a dragon wheel?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2023, 03:43:55 PM
Does X99 bounce like a dragon wheel?

Less so, but still way more than a spit F4, or ricta (which are super grippy @99); it’s just the nature of that formula.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 08, 2023, 05:37:30 PM
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Does X99 bounce like a dragon wheel?
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Less so, but still way more than a spit F4, or ricta (which are super grippy @99); it’s just the nature of that formula.
Sold. Thanks. That’s the feedback I was looking for.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 08, 2023, 11:52:48 PM
I've said it before, but I'm fully on the X-Formula train these days on anything other than perfect terrain. Both the X97 and X99 are just fucking great on anything from rough asphalt to slippy plywood and whatever variations of imperfect/challenging terrain one might have.

I was on the Dragon bandwagon for a bit, but I hate them on smoother terrain – they feel sticky, plus they make no sound and bounce like super balls. None of which are issues with the X97 or X99, be it that they are admittedly a bit "bouncier" than so-called normal hard wheels. But not to an extent of it being a nuisance.

Caveat: in a perfect park and on smooth concrete I still prefer F4s. But my overall menu of terrains is far from perfect.

Big up to Bones, honestly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Meathook on November 09, 2023, 05:35:01 AM
i went for a little night cruise on some radial full, 56, 99s. the wide helped, they still feel like skateboard wheels, which is nice.
many years ago, when i should have been forced to take a breathalyzer before stepping on my board, i setup a wide hill bomber with some soft wheels. went to speed check, instead just carved and accelerated. slam.

the roads in my parts are pretty jacked. should i just stick it out with the 99s, or try something softer?
the majority of the talk around the softer wheels, unless i’ve missed it, seems to come from the perspective of skating parks, curbs, etc.

what would someone recommend for very old roads/hills?

i tried rough riders, long ago, for just flatground long distance, and they were nice enough for that. one of the kids has some powell g wheels, the other has keyframes, all seem a bit too soft for speed checks, but maybe i’m wrong on that

Not sure if you’ve tried any variants of Dragons but I just setup some 60mm Dragon G-Bones on my cruiser because I wanted to cruise around but also be able to grind a ledge when I want to.  I have to say they are really really good for old fucked up roads and spots.  They’re fast on smooth asphalt probably because of the shape and size.  I skated an angle iron ledge into a hill bomb and the ground on that spot I wouldn’t consider rideable on F4’s.  They are really versatile for a cruiser wheel and I honestly think I’ll just keep using these as cruiser and wheels and not mess around with anything softer.

On smooth ground they don’t slide well but on anything rough they slide fine.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 09, 2023, 06:08:19 AM
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i went for a little night cruise on some radial full, 56, 99s. the wide helped, they still feel like skateboard wheels, which is nice.
many years ago, when i should have been forced to take a breathalyzer before stepping on my board, i setup a wide hill bomber with some soft wheels. went to speed check, instead just carved and accelerated. slam.

the roads in my parts are pretty jacked. should i just stick it out with the 99s, or try something softer?
the majority of the talk around the softer wheels, unless i’ve missed it, seems to come from the perspective of skating parks, curbs, etc.

what would someone recommend for very old roads/hills?

i tried rough riders, long ago, for just flatground long distance, and they were nice enough for that. one of the kids has some powell g wheels, the other has keyframes, all seem a bit too soft for speed checks, but maybe i’m wrong on that
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Not sure if you’ve tried any variants of Dragons but I just setup some 60mm Dragon G-Bones on my cruiser because I wanted to cruise around but also be able to grind a ledge when I want to.  I have to say they are really really good for old fucked up roads and spots.  They’re fast on smooth asphalt probably because of the shape and size.  I skated an angle iron ledge into a hill bomb and the ground on that spot I wouldn’t consider rideable on F4’s.  They are really versatile for a cruiser wheel and I honestly think I’ll just keep using these as cruiser and wheels and not mess around with anything softer.

On smooth ground they don’t slide well but on anything rough they slide fine.

thanks! the majority of the feedback on the wheels that i’ve seen has been more about doing skate tricks, and less about bombing hills.
i’ll gladly give these a shot
i’m going to try some 56 f4 classic 97s tonight
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 09, 2023, 06:20:15 AM
Yes sir, for the sole purpose of hillbombing especially not-so-perfect asphalt large Dragons are the shit. They will be fast as fuck and slide great. 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 09, 2023, 06:23:16 AM
Bought a set of X-Formula 97a recently based on the positive feedback in this thread. I'll be skating indoors for the winter, and the ground is indeed dusty and slippery so hopefully they serve their purpose.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 09, 2023, 09:29:01 AM
Yes sir, for the sole purpose of hillbombing especially not-so-perfect asphalt large Dragons are the shit. They will be fast as fuck and slide great.


this is the information i’ve been needing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 09, 2023, 09:35:32 AM
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Less so, but still way more than a spit F4, or ricta (which are super grippy @99); it’s just the nature of that formula.
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Sold. Thanks. That’s the feedback I was looking for.

Dub thanx
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 09, 2023, 10:26:13 AM
Been skating some f4 97 53 classics I got for free, they're pretty good on crusty ground like rockridge curbs and some other places. Don't even really mind or notice the slight decrease in speed on smooth ground.

But again at spots with sharp metal coping that isn't super waxed, waller, and that new UN plaza which has the same marble slab/ledges as waller, they be grippin on crooked grinds, lips, blunts/noseblunts. Also if you're grinding a round rail. Not as bad as the bones x formulas (haven't tried x99) but enough that it was reducing my consistency. If you wax shit its fine, but you really don't wanna be the guy waxing shit when everybody skating.

Tempted to put on my last set of 52 99 radial slims, kind of a prized possession at this point.

Would be really sick to have something thats ever so slightly softer than an f4 99 that doesn't compromise on drag at all, but sadly looks like its kinda not possible. But if its a slightly smoother ride in exchange for taking a few more tries to land my tricks or bailing when I otherwise wouldn't have I'm not taking that deal 95% of the time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2023, 10:27:56 AM
I've said it before, but I'm fully on the X-Formula train these days on anything other than perfect terrain. Both the X97 and X99 are just fucking great on anything from rough asphalt to slippy plywood and whatever variations of imperfect/challenging terrain one might have.

I was on the Dragon bandwagon for a bit, but I hate them on smoother terrain – they feel sticky, plus they make no sound and bounce like super balls. None of which are issues with the X97 or X99, be it that they are admittedly a bit "bouncier" than so-called normal hard wheels. But not to an extent of it being a nuisance.

Caveat: in a perfect park and on smooth concrete I still prefer F4s. But my overall menu of terrains is far from perfect.

Big up to Bones, honestly.

The x99s have become sort of a crutch wheel for me in a way...very much like once you get used to skating rails [or a slick] for curb skating as it's a similar terrain dependency/preference; once you get used to them it's really hard to go back. But like you said, smooth park or plaza, F4 [or STF] all the way. And of course, F4s work in those spots too, it's just different strokes.

The smooth ride vs rattle-skating is an underrated feature, especially if you go spot to spot a lot (which I tend to do).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on November 09, 2023, 10:39:17 AM
The way I setup wheels is basically to serve each purpose on my 3 setups :s

on my 8.38 setup: as small and slick as possible 51mm f4 classic 99a (i decided to concede to 99a because 101a on an F4 is actually at the point its too slippery and makes me skate worse). best shape for pinched grinds and tilting.

on my egg setup: 54mm conical full. this handles all the spots my other board doesnt. it feels pretty comparable to dragons as most spots when i try them both on crusty asphalt. the speed is very comparable its just the dragons eat a bit more vibration. the f4s eat enough that my feet odnt seem to move much. i would much rather have the forgiveness on the slide, and i love the way they sound and feel. i should probably drop down to 97a and i could go up a tiny bit in size too, maybe 56mm radial full 97a on this setup would be a bit more ideal. but the way it is it seriously works amazing and that shaves a ton of bulk by keeping it that way.

on my cruiser: I just go for the softest most stable thing possible. if i want to powerslide then i would just use the egg setup. so i got 78a OJ Mini Juice 55mm.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 09, 2023, 10:57:59 AM
^makes sense

problem is ive marie kondo'd my way into having just one setup and trying to not quiver up again
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on November 09, 2023, 11:04:33 AM
i was thinking about if i went down to 1 setup i would probably just use my 8.38 and then put my 54mm 99a conical full on and i would probably be happy at any spot. 97a 54mm radial full f4 sounds like it could be good + also x formula but from my experience so far on this wheel it will work for 99% of the skating i seem to do so i am scared to mess with it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2023, 11:09:06 AM
^makes sense

problem is ive marie kondo'd my way into having just one setup and trying to not quiver up again

I'm legitimately jealous. I've been slowly selling shit off/giving stuff away to do just that.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 09, 2023, 11:10:07 AM
The way I setup wheels is basically to serve each purpose on my 3 setups :s

on my 8.38 setup: as small and slick as possible 51mm f4 classic 99a (i decided to concede to 99a because 101a on an F4 is actually at the point its too slippery and makes me skate worse). best shape for pinched grinds and tilting.

on my egg setup: 54mm conical full. this handles all the spots my other board doesnt. it feels pretty comparable to dragons as most spots when i try them both on crusty asphalt. the speed is very comparable its just the dragons eat a bit more vibration. the f4s eat enough that my feet odnt seem to move much. i would much rather have the forgiveness on the slide, and i love the way they sound and feel. i should probably drop down to 97a and i could go up a tiny bit in size too, maybe 56mm radial full 97a on this setup would be a bit more ideal. but the way it is it seriously works amazing and that shaves a ton of bulk by keeping it that way.

on my cruiser: I just go for the softest most stable thing possible. if i want to powerslide then i would just use the egg setup. so i got 78a OJ Mini Juice 55mm.

I organize my setups kind of similarly, I've got 46mm classics on my 9" egg, 50mm conicals on my 7.75" popsicle and 58mm Vs on my ~10" Strangelove Natas board
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on November 09, 2023, 11:14:36 AM
Yes sir, for the sole purpose of hillbombing especially not-so-perfect asphalt large Dragons are the shit. They will be fast as fuck and slide great.

This right here. Loved my 56 and 60mm Dragons so much last summer. Bombed tons of hills and did lots of powerslides and they just go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on November 09, 2023, 11:40:40 AM
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^makes sense

problem is ive marie kondo'd my way into having just one setup and trying to not quiver up again
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I'm legitimately jealous. I've been slowly selling shit off/giving stuff away to do just that.

Don't get me wrong I got stuff on ice

But ya I'm pretty at peace can skate whatever and adjust fairly quick within a certain range, though theres pros n cons that go both ways. Any 8.38-8.5 14.25-14.5 as long as the kicks aren't pointy like a sword or FA type square+steep. 5.8 venture cast hollows stock no adjustments.

Preferably 52-54mm 99 f4s which I have been fortunate enough to get hooked up with here n there, whatever shape is fine but preferably not super wide and not tablets ideally, and if its 52 then classics are a little jarring on rough ground. Even the 97s are good for the most part but get a little annoying skating dry ish ledges n rails. If I didn't have a huge stash of wheels on ice I'd just ignore it and get more used to it.

Basically nowadays I feel anything ya can't do on any given setup that fits within a reasonable range comes down to skill issue
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2023, 12:26:40 PM
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^makes sense

problem is ive marie kondo'd my way into having just one setup and trying to not quiver up again
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I'm legitimately jealous. I've been slowly selling shit off/giving stuff away to do just that.
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Don't get me wrong I got stuff on ice

But ya I'm pretty at peace can skate whatever and adjust fairly quick within a certain range, though theres pros n cons that go both ways. Any 8.38-8.5 14.25-14.5 as long as the kicks aren't pointy like a sword or FA type square+steep. 5.8 venture cast hollows stock no adjustments.

Preferably 52-54mm 99 f4s which I have been fortunate enough to get hooked up with here n there, whatever shape is fine but preferably not super wide and not tablets ideally, and if its 52 then classics are a little jarring on rough ground. Even the 97s are good for the most part but get a little annoying skating dry ish ledges n rails. If I didn't have a huge stash of wheels on ice I'd just ignore it and get more used to it.

Basically nowadays I feel anything ya can't do on any given setup that fits within a reasonable range comes down to skill issue

Oh ice is fiiiiine, so is having a small quiver, as long at it's not i87162348671235 variants of the same thing.

I'm trying to settle on 1 Pop, 1 shaped and call it a day.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on November 09, 2023, 01:19:33 PM
Basically nowadays I feel anything ya can't do on any given setup that fits within a reasonable range comes down to skill issue

True words and a good reminder.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on November 10, 2023, 10:32:33 AM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


Also the Ryan Lee Spitfire "filmer" wheel is in there too - looks like a Super Juice / Penny type wheel profile, but at least that one I had seen and knew was coming out.




https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/



(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/20-sf-fl23-d2-burners.jpg)
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I bet
These and the sapphires are factory seconds that got cut and pushed out there.

I think it's the same with the dragons at 93a.

Bones put out what they thought was going to be the weakest product in killer old shapes and with a new gospel for Old timers knees. Then followed up with a slightly stronger one until they arrived at Andy's wheel. Which probably has all the kinks worked out. Or they need his name power to get out from underneath the back stock of soft shit.

Bet spit does it too. Skate the industry probably about to die. It's just going to be us again.

It's a good thing that the worst products of the day are better than the best flat spotted potatoes of my childhood.

I wish spit would do tall and skinny wheel. Clear f4 if possible. Like bones used to do. Hard ass clear wheels.

Or see them do a 66.6mm 99.9a limited run with sane riding surface. Like the Bullet 66s were. Then you can do 7ply risers.

I know of 5 heads around town who would make incredible use of such a tool. They ride speed wheels and reissue bones.

It's gotta be f4 tho or just forget it. Not a soul other than I is going to buy a big vintage shape more than once.

That why I think all else is gotta be factory seconds.
Why fuck around when you got the golden goose and bones dragons ain't even close to #2? Whether people know it or not yet.

I took 4 or so mm off my 58mm dragons. Thats a commitment considering the down sides and I'm 100 street.
I don't wanna die in the morning dew on the way to the bus. I can see it coming.

It is tough going back tho. I miss the coasting.
If dragons weren't so slippery on wet I'd stick it out.
If they had the rat bone two in the x99 I'd try again. I'd try Andy's wheel if it was closer to 60mm

Also
It's probably why they targeted us old folk. We are suckas who bought endless bridge and traction bolts and allowed the industry to sell a standardized version of everything for 30 years.

Besides we need to get these lazy ass 50mm pros flipping in and out at 30 mph ok team big ass wheels. Let's go fuck the ride on grinds too. I wanna see ride on inverts like Gonz in braids but faster
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Here’s my guess, these “Burners” are most likely the old F-1 urethane in 99 instead of the 98 and 100 they used to come in before F-4. Probably an attempt to get some of the market share from Bones entry level 100s.

Just wanted to share an update that I noticed about these for those who might be interested:
Tactics has the images of these up and these new Burners are treaded unlike the old F1 urethane.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/burner-skateboard-wheels/white-blue-99d
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 10, 2023, 05:35:14 PM
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I see the new DLXSF.COM / Spitfire wheels catalog is up, with a new one down the far bottom corner...  Sure they are probably a different wheel, pricepoint / beginner wheel as shown, but I wonder what the deal is with them.

Never seen anything out about them before seeing it here, so I am kind of curious if anyone else has seen or heard about them too?


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2023-drop-2/


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Here’s my guess, these “Burners” are most likely the old F-1 urethane in 99 instead of the 98 and 100 they used to come in before F-4. Probably an attempt to get some of the market share from Bones entry level 100s.
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Just wanted to share an update that I noticed about these for those who might be interested:
Tactics has the images of these up and these new Burners are treaded unlike the old F1 urethane.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/burner-skateboard-wheels/white-blue-99d


I would be more interested in seeing where they come from, but my guess is they are much more like a generic blank wheel from an unknown manufacturing facility with a Spitfire name on them, than any other past formula or existing wheel they have had before.

I know having tread or having a smooth surface is really just wheel manufacturing choice, but I also feel like the better wheels all had the smooth riding surface, almost like someone realised they skate just right from the first run without the tread, when compared to all the older wheels you had to ease in and wear off the tread first before going too hard, otherwise flat spots or slip outs would be the most common thing to happen in the first session or two.


Also interesting to see the price difference, compared to the original formula and of course Formula Four wheels.


$29.95 for these new ones, which as stated is a starting price wheel

$35.95 to $39.95 for the original formula, most being around $38 price

$41.95 to $48.95 for Formula Four wheels, most being around the $45 price


No Lil Smokies to compare those, but on average they were about the same or lower than the original formula in some shops, but then at the lower end of the other Formula Four wheels in other shops.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mamba on November 13, 2023, 09:04:02 AM
Would like an opinion on this.

I usually ride radial shapes, so medium width with round edges. I swapped to some Bones V5, a skinny conical, and found my thunders to become way more tippier. Now I swapped to a conical full and my trucks are way more stable. Anyone else find the same thing?

On aces my classics were perfect on that set up. But with the same conical fulls they were too much and felt too much like a tank. Do trucks change how a wheel performs to you?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 13, 2023, 09:57:30 AM
I agree and Ihave  tried saying this before but I do believe the contact width impacts how a truck turns/ feels, yes.

Lebowskisrug was adamant that this is impossible because he has friends who work on race cars.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on November 13, 2023, 10:14:54 AM
for sure it has an impact look you never tighten the same trucks the same way with hard wheels 52mm or cruiser fat and wide over 56mm.
to me thats not the trucks who change how the wheel feel, thats the wheels who change how the trucks feel.
i always tend to tighten less with my big wheels, even if i risk wheelbite just because it's less agile
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 13, 2023, 10:47:23 AM
I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 13, 2023, 11:37:31 AM
I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.

The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 13, 2023, 12:30:36 PM
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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.
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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D

 :o hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on November 13, 2023, 01:53:43 PM
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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.
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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D
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 :o hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)
post a setup
white and black should be fine really
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 13, 2023, 02:08:33 PM
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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.
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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D
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 :o hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)
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post a setup
white and black should be fine really

Will do. I got a picture from a few days ago with the old board on the setup thread, and the new deck waiting. I’ll post pics of it put together.

(And your sig is amazing: it’s good to have more understanding of those with awkward social interactions. It’s good to be reminded of that especially at skateparks. I’m really awkward myself.  You mean, skateboarding attracts the awkward loners? No way! SHOCKED. lol, I still have social issues, and I’m having to learn to work in a heavy team/customer service environment. It’s rough going, but getting better. A lot of days I wonder what the hell is wrong with me and why can’t I get just be normal around most people.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 13, 2023, 02:47:03 PM
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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.
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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D
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 :o hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)

Of course it's allowed ;) I like to match, if I can (the problem with have too much gear is you can)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 13, 2023, 04:25:38 PM
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I just order Bones v1’s x99 52mm.  Set up a new deck and the x97’s v5 were yellow and looked horrible up against a white dipped deck…

It will be a week or two before I can give them a proper skate (lower back is screaming… too much falling last week… feels like a twisted ankle sore)

But looking forward to sharing my experience with them x99 vs x97, and V1 vs. V5.

Repping Gustavo cause he seems like a good guy, and no way in hell I’m skating with skulls on my wheels. I don’t need the reminder that my body is fragile.
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The x99s are significantly whiter (and seem to stay that way). Good match for a white dip and white bushings =D
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 :o hell yeah, can’t wait! (Though I have black Indy bushings… and black baseplate… is that allowed, or should I just toss the whole board and start over?)
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Of course it's allowed ;) I like to match, if I can (the problem with have too much gear is you can)

Posted up on set-up thread.  you're making me want to go buy the white-dipped indy's.

Drool...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 13, 2023, 05:15:49 PM
The dragons and x97s potato out so bad, they're one session away from it... possibly worse than F4tatos. They ALL work, yellow or not (if I buy spits I go for colors/swirls..); FYI the 'glow' spits seem to stay 'less brown' for longer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 13, 2023, 05:49:26 PM
The dragons and x97s potato out so bad, they're one session away from it... possibly worse than F4tatos. They ALL work, yellow or not (if I buy spits I go for colors/swirls..); FYI the 'glow' spits seem to stay 'less brown' for longer.
rad.  someone with an itching to start a wheel company should call it Skatatos    "Skuh-Tay-Toes"

Make a little cartoon potato busting nice crooked grind.... and call it the Fry-on-Grind.     Could have another ad with a backside Ketchup Slide.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2023, 11:37:37 AM
It's been a minute but anyone commit to riding the OJ double duros? They seem to be out of the 'protoype' faze and on the market as pro and team wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 14, 2023, 03:11:34 PM
It's been a minute but anyone commit to riding the OJ double duros? They seem to be out of the 'protoype' faze and on the market as pro and team wheels.


@yourbreakfsat is the man for that.  Posted a good review and had said he would have preferred getting his money back or something similar, which was all I needed to know about those wheels.

They are the most expensive wheels on the market here in AU, not sure about elsewhere, but even more expensive than / beating out the fast rise in Spitfire Formula Four wheel prices, only without the good things that Formula Four wheels bring to session.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg4100200#msg4100200



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDRtTtCQne4


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 25, 2023, 09:09:54 PM
X99’s vs x97 report:

X99’s are higher pitched squeak, sound like normal wheel but not as crazy barky as SPF.

Noticeably more hard than x97 and rolls over crunchy asphalt pretty well, but not as good as x97… but still magically good.

Easier to slide around than x97.

I think for my rickety old joints, I may go back to x97 if only for the softer landings.

If I was young and buck, I would enjoy the x99’s more as they are closer to “normal” skate wheels, and don’t have the weird soft rolling sound.

Definitely getting V1 next time as well, as they are more fun than V5 to do any tricks on. 

(V1 and V5 have the same ride patch for 52mm so it shouldn’t have anything to do with ability to smooth out crust)

Final thought: if x99 became the only option, I wouldn’t be mad because it surely could be more widely accepted by skaters since it doesn’t have the soft wheel dead sound like the x97’s kind of have. And if I get too old to skate hard wheels completely, then I should move my ass to Dragons anyway. I do like the middle ground of soft vs. hard with the x97’s though.  I can see why Bones did x99’s on rider feedback because the x97’s don’t sound or feel EXACTLY like a “normal wheel” even though they slide and grip just fine, if not for just maybe a little too grippy for bluntslides.)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on November 25, 2023, 10:12:23 PM
Wheel recommendations for a jack of all trades master of none street and park wheel? Looking for something with grip at the smooth concrete park, but still retain some speed on the asphalt. Riding some 99a STF wheels currently and they feel mushy and slow on the road so I'm skeptical about going even softer like the F4 97a or the dragon 93a. I typically like the way a harder wheels roll and feel but haven't found the right one for grip at the park. Looking for something around 54mm in a classic shape.

Edit: more or less looking for a hard wheel that is still grippy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 25, 2023, 10:42:33 PM
99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on November 25, 2023, 11:55:39 PM
99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.

Do the x formula 99a feel much different from the STF 99a?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 26, 2023, 12:28:30 AM
X99 is the shit if you're looking for an all-around wheel. Reality is that there's no wheel that's a be-all-end-all wheel to tackle everything, but the X99 comes pretty close. Handles everything from rough asphalt to slippery indoor parks (where e.g. F4 can feel too slippery for many people) while feeling like a real wheel and not deadly silent like e.g. Dragons. The slide and bark are there, too.

X97 is good as well and feels more like a real wheel compared to Dragons, but is a bit slower than the X99. Slides great, less bark, wears out fast.

Dragons are awesome for some really f*cking crusty shit but I don't really like them anywhere else as they are too silent and soft-feeling for my taste. But if the lack of "feel" is not a problem, they work pretty much everywhere as well. Friend of mine rides them everywhere from smooth concrete parks to indoors. They are surprisingly fast.

Haven't flatspotted any of these yet. The X97 seems to wear out fast, though.

All in all Powell and Bones have done some fantastic work on wheels lately.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 26, 2023, 03:44:18 AM
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99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.
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Do the x formula 99a feel much different from the STF 99a?
Absolutely! Even the X formula 97a slide better than the STF 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 26, 2023, 05:30:30 AM
for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 26, 2023, 05:41:29 AM
for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.

Definitely slideable, especially the X99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 26, 2023, 06:31:03 AM
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for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.
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Definitely slideable, especially the X99.

but lemme ask you this lemme ask you this! were you able to slide dragons?
maybe it’s just a me issue
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 26, 2023, 07:02:11 AM
x99 great all-rounder yup 👍

X97 is greater all rounder too, especially if you have bumpy asphalt you need to get over to make it to the smooth skatepark. But damn, they will gouge if you do hard power slides in the rough. Little rocks taking scoops. Personally, I really love being able to roll around on the crust every now and then. Less worrying.

The x99 does okay too, just a bit louder on rough ground. If I was doing bluntalides I’d probably prefer them for sure.

Both do nose slides just fine. And crooked. (I don’t remember ever getting caught or stuck)

I wish I had STF experience to compare. I only have F4 99, bones 99, SPF 84B, x97, x99.

F499 felt slow compared to SPF and x97 (x99) on smooth skatepark concrete. Bones 99 did somewhere in the middle, but damn were they soft and silent. They should discontinue the bones 99 and just run the x formula hard. Magic wheels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 26, 2023, 09:23:38 AM
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for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.
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Definitely slideable, especially the X99.
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but lemme ask you this lemme ask you this! were you able to slide dragons?
maybe it’s just a me issue
Dragons slide amazing on asphalt. Not so much on smooth concrete. The worse the ground, the better the slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 26, 2023, 11:00:28 AM
Dragons slide well on asphalt and I felt the 97 slid better than my 99s.

No way in hell the X99 are as fast as F499 on smooth skatepark concrete, but the difference isn't super huge.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 26, 2023, 11:08:54 AM
Dragons slide well on asphalt and I felt the 97 slid better than my 99s.

No way in hell the X99 are as fast as F499 on smooth skatepark concrete, but the difference isn't super huge.
Same wheel shape on then 97/99 slide comparison? That would be a bummer if they slide worse
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 26, 2023, 11:21:59 AM
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99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.
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Do the x formula 99a feel much different from the STF 99a?
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Absolutely! Even the X formula 97a slide better than the STF 99a.

Yeah, the 99a STF are really a terrible wheel since whatever reformulation they did.

for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.

Yes, both the x97 and x99 slide just fine, they shine on, as one can assume, rough terrain...try sliding a 99a or 101a anybrand on rough terrain and see what happens.

x99s slide better on smooth surfaces say, for blunt or lip slides than an x97, better for pinch grinds too.

Mixed terrain where you don't want to swap wheels, x99s will server you everywhere.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on November 26, 2023, 12:20:12 PM
How much are you guys sliding? Really? Like are you referring to power slides or those that include blunts, nose slides etc.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 26, 2023, 12:41:03 PM
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Dragons slide well on asphalt and I felt the 97 slid better than my 99s.

No way in hell the X99 are as fast as F499 on smooth skatepark concrete, but the difference isn't super huge.
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Same wheel shape on then 97/99 slide comparison? That would be a bummer if they slide worse

Shit now that I think of it I'm not sure what shape my Dragons were. X97 and 99 both V5. I do feel that the slide of the 99 is more controllable and predictable. They're all pretty good for what they're designed for and the V5 shape is great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 26, 2023, 12:43:27 PM
How much are you guys sliding? Really? Like are you referring to power slides or those that include blunts, nose slides etc.

Slight reverts on rotational tricks, out of certain stalls, also just speed checking sometimes or power sliding into a few slappies (sw power slide into slappy nose is an easy and fun one).

I notice it mostly when my 180 is a 170 or 190 if that makes sense. On park coping I found pinched grinds to stick or be slower and randomly one curb spot, but I don't really consider that the same thing since wax and material factor in.

I tend to just prefer the feel of F4 on the terrain I skate, there's nothing inherently wrong with the X formula and at a few places I find them to be super advantageous. I just don't skate those kinds of spots enough to be worth the downsides I experience other places.

I'd recommend them any day depending on what the person wants. F4 and the X formula are the 2 best formulas out and I don't think anything Creative or NHS do comes close.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 26, 2023, 06:02:32 PM
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99a Spits since you are split smooth park and decent (?) asphalt. Otherwise x99s in 99a V5 shape (closest to classics from camp bones but a bit more cutaway).

Skip the 93a dragons unless you are hitting crusty crust.
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Do the x formula 99a feel much different from the STF 99a?
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Absolutely! Even the X formula 97a slide better than the STF 99a.
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Yeah, the 99a STF are really a terrible wheel since whatever reformulation they did.

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for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.
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Yes, both the x97 and x99 slide just fine, they shine on, as one can assume, rough terrain...try sliding a 99a or 101a anybrand on rough terrain and see what happens.

x99s slide better on smooth surfaces say, for blunt or lip slides than an x97, better for pinch grinds too.

Mixed terrain where you don't want to swap wheels, x99s will server you everywhere.


this is not my experience: f4 99s slide great on these trash roads, or good enough to check the speed.
i’m skating on very rough asphalt, intermixed with weather beaten asphalt, and the dragons are rad, until i need to slide. then it’s just power carve and acceleration, or a lil tiny grabby slide that bucks me off. maybe they’ll break in, ‘maybe’ it’s because i’m trash (true), but my experience isn’t matching ya’lls, at all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 26, 2023, 06:05:10 PM
How much are you guys sliding? Really? Like are you referring to power slides or those that include blunts, nose slides etc.

for me, i’m really only talking about speed checks on hills. i couldn’t bluntslide to save my life.
powerslides are what i’m bitching about.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on November 26, 2023, 06:53:44 PM
Just setup some 59mm Radial Fulls. Not as ridiculous looking as I expected. Really excited to ride em a bit and see how they go.

Won't be on main setup, mostly for spot exploration & commuting to work.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 26, 2023, 07:08:54 PM
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How much are you guys sliding? Really? Like are you referring to power slides or those that include blunts, nose slides etc.
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for me, i’m really only talking about speed checks on hills. i couldn’t bluntslide to save my life.
powerslides are what i’m bitching about.
Blunt powerslides.  It's all the fun of a bluntslide, but without the need for all that popping nonsense ;)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 26, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
How much are you guys sliding? Really? Like are you referring to power slides or those that include blunts, nose slides etc.

I still powerslide when the mood strikes...bluntslides, nose/tail/lip/etc..

Bluntslide are my litmus test.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 26, 2023, 11:20:08 PM
Simply cruising along and doing a quick frontside power slide is one of the simplest and most fun things any skateboarder can do.

At the same time there's just roads and surfaces where you have to realize it's not the time and place OR you're just going to always deal with some stickiness, gouging, etc.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 26, 2023, 11:37:16 PM
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for those of you that likes bones: do you consider the x99s and x97s as slide-able? i ask, i was told in person that dragons were great for hills/crust. i would say that dragons are great for crust, and that hills are pretty tough if you want to do any speed checks. f4s speed check and get right back into going down the hill, the dragons feel like….very slightly harder keyframes. on the rough asphalt they don’t slide. and they bounce.
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Definitely slideable, especially the X99.
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but lemme ask you this lemme ask you this! were you able to slide dragons?
maybe it’s just a me issue

For sure. On crusty asphalt they slide real good. Not so much on smooth concrete, though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ambiguousclarity on November 27, 2023, 01:04:53 AM
I have two setups for commuting to work and skating at lunch in the park near my office. One has 93 dragons and the other 95 xformula. I use 99 f4s on my usual setup. I find both dragons and xformula slide more unexpectedly than the f4s, i.e., I feel like I have more control when on the f4s.

I've been riding the 95 xformula setup at parks the past two weeks to change things up for a bit of fun and have been losing (sliding) the back wheels unexpectedly at times. Just my experience. I'm glad there's soft options for commuting that function like hard wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 27, 2023, 01:33:43 AM
I have two setups for commuting to work and skating at lunch in the park near my office. One has 93 dragons and the other 95 xformula. I use 99 f4s on my usual setup. I find both dragons and xformula slide more unexpectedly than the f4s, i.e., I feel like I have more control when on the f4s.

I've been riding the 95 xformula setup at parks the past two weeks to change things up for a bit of fun and have been losing (sliding) the back wheels unexpectedly at times. Just my experience. I'm glad there's soft options for commuting that function like hard wheels.

I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as X-Formula 95?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 27, 2023, 05:26:23 AM
Simply cruising along and doing a quick frontside power slide is one of the simplest and most fun things any skateboarder can do.

At the same time there's just roads and surfaces where you have to realize it's not the time and place OR you're just going to always deal with some stickiness, gouging, etc.


couldn’t agree more

the switch variant is near a bucket list wish for me, but i just haven’t been able to get my mind to do it: switch front speed check back to switch. feels like my brain is going to throw a rod trying to make it work
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 27, 2023, 09:34:52 AM
I have two setups for commuting to work and skating at lunch in the park near my office. One has 93 dragons and the other 95 xformula. I use 99 f4s on my usual setup. I find both dragons and xformula slide more unexpectedly than the f4s, i.e., I feel like I have more control when on the f4s.

I've been riding the 95 xformula setup at parks the past two weeks to change things up for a bit of fun and have been losing (sliding) the back wheels unexpectedly at times. Just my experience. I'm glad there's soft options for commuting that function like hard wheels.

I've had the x97s break free on rough patches of street unexpectedly, as if the wheels just 'rebound/vibrate' right over the patch.

Started skating a new spot where an x99/97 isn't required and bounced back to spit 99a...they feel glassy and hard, so crazy...but I'm switching back just because I miss that smooth ride feel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on November 27, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
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I have two setups for commuting to work and skating at lunch in the park near my office. One has 93 dragons and the other 95 xformula. I use 99 f4s on my usual setup. I find both dragons and xformula slide more unexpectedly than the f4s, i.e., I feel like I have more control when on the f4s.

I've been riding the 95 xformula setup at parks the past two weeks to change things up for a bit of fun and have been losing (sliding) the back wheels unexpectedly at times. Just my experience. I'm glad there's soft options for commuting that function like hard wheels.
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I've had the x97s break free on rough patches of street unexpectedly, as if the wheels just 'rebound/vibrate' right over the patch.

Started skating a new spot where an x99/97 isn't required and bounced back to spit 99a...they feel glassy and hard, so crazy...but I'm switching back just because I miss that smooth ride feel.

i also appreciate the options.
bombing hills i feel so so so much safer on f4s.
but cruising around on relatively flat roads, dragons are a dream. i also really appreciate the quietness of the dragons, compared to f4s, for transportation purposes. it’s kinda nice to go prius in a parking stealth mode
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on November 27, 2023, 04:42:29 PM
Just setup some 59mm Radial Fulls. Not as ridiculous looking as I expected. Really excited to ride em a bit and see how they go.

Won't be on main setup, mostly for spot exploration & commuting to work.

Hyped!!! This is exactly the ride I was hoping for. Push thru as much gravel as ya need.

Very tempted to get the 60mm T-Funks, but much prefer white wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 27, 2023, 05:45:29 PM
Just setup some 59mm Radial Fulls. Not as ridiculous looking as I expected. Really excited to ride em a bit and see how they go.

Won't be on main setup, mostly for spot exploration & commuting to work.

Hell yeah.

Big wheels are the best. I love how crooks feel above 54mm. It seems like I never miss the lock in. I can smack really rounded over shit as hard as I wanna.

Lil wheels I like for jumping down shit with short runways.
I feel like I hit max velocity quicker with lil wheels.

I really hope the Funk wheel's fast.
I'm really addicted to dragons. It's because of how long your speed is held post push.

It makes it really easy to play guitar and skate. I try to do that every day that's warm enough.

No trick in the world can match writing a good song while carving.

Carving is my favorite shit on earth rn.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lou Strux on November 27, 2023, 06:51:03 PM
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Just setup some 59mm Radial Fulls. Not as ridiculous looking as I expected. Really excited to ride em a bit and see how they go.

Won't be on main setup, mostly for spot exploration & commuting to work.
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Hell yeah.

Big wheels are the best. I love how crooks feel above 54mm. It seems like I never miss the lock in. I can smack really rounded over shit as hard as I wanna.

Lil wheels I like for jumping down shit with short runways.
I feel like I hit max velocity quicker with lil wheels.

I really hope the Funk wheel's fast.
I'm really addicted to dragons. It's because of how long your speed is held post push.

It makes it really easy to play guitar and skate. I try to do that every day that's warm enough.

No trick in the world can match writing a good song while carving.

Carving is my favorite shit on earth rn.
Catching whiffs of Gesmer emanating from you at the moment, Fleasus.
Take it easy on us, bud.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ambiguousclarity on November 27, 2023, 11:16:00 PM
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I have two setups for commuting to work and skating at lunch in the park near my office. One has 93 dragons and the other 95 xformula. I use 99 f4s on my usual setup. I find both dragons and xformula slide more unexpectedly than the f4s, i.e., I feel like I have more control when on the f4s.

I've been riding the 95 xformula setup at parks the past two weeks to change things up for a bit of fun and have been losing (sliding) the back wheels unexpectedly at times. Just my experience. I'm glad there's soft options for commuting that function like hard wheels.
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I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as X-Formula 95?

My mistake. They're 97 xformula. For some reason I got it in my head they were 95. Perhaps reading the 56mm upside down had something to do with it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on November 28, 2023, 12:10:38 PM
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Just setup some 59mm Radial Fulls. Not as ridiculous looking as I expected. Really excited to ride em a bit and see how they go.

Won't be on main setup, mostly for spot exploration & commuting to work.
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Hyped!!! This is exactly the ride I was hoping for. Push thru as much gravel as ya need.

Very tempted to get the 60mm T-Funks, but much prefer white wheels.

Was too stoked on these from last night and had to get out for another push this morning. Did 11.1 miles with a couple hundred feet of gravity assist along the way. Maintained bike path.

These wheels are so goddamn fun. I can push as hard as I want and never really worried about gravel, just plow thru that shit. Yeah, you'll slow down like any hard wheel, but the board sounds and feels normal.

I'm sure a soft wheel would hold speed better, but this feels way better than a bouncy cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 28, 2023, 03:25:41 PM
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Just setup some 59mm Radial Fulls. Not as ridiculous looking as I expected. Really excited to ride em a bit and see how they go.

Won't be on main setup, mostly for spot exploration & commuting to work.
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Hyped!!! This is exactly the ride I was hoping for. Push thru as much gravel as ya need.

Very tempted to get the 60mm T-Funks, but much prefer white wheels.
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Was too stoked on these from last night and had to get out for another push this morning. Did 11.1 miles with a couple hundred feet of gravity assist along the way. Maintained bike path.

These wheels are so goddamn fun. I can push as hard as I want and never really worried about gravel, just plow thru that shit. Yeah, you'll slow down like any hard wheel, but the board sounds and feels normal.

I'm sure a soft wheel would hold speed better, but this feels way better than a bouncy cruiser wheel.


Just to confirm you are on the 59mm 99 duro wheels there?

A lot of people have been getting the 58mm 97 duro Radial Full and loving the feel of them on more slippery or rough surfaces, so I could see how they would work.

Those T Funk red ones are also 60mm 97 duro too, which I know you had mentioned.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on November 28, 2023, 04:00:30 PM
Just to confirm you are on the 59mm 99 duro wheels there?

A lot of people have been getting the 58mm 97 duro Radial Full and loving the feel of them on more slippery or rough surfaces, so I could see how they would work.

Those T Funk red ones are also 60mm 97 duro too, which I know you had mentioned.

Yessir, the normal 99a 59s. Wanted to see if these work first before trying the 97a.

Hopefully they make some more 97a 60s but white next time. Would smang.

Or maybe they'll hear Fleas cry for some 60+... Could you imagine some 63s???
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 28, 2023, 04:40:42 PM
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Just to confirm you are on the 59mm 99 duro wheels there?

A lot of people have been getting the 58mm 97 duro Radial Full and loving the feel of them on more slippery or rough surfaces, so I could see how they would work.

Those T Funk red ones are also 60mm 97 duro too, which I know you had mentioned.
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Yessir, the normal 99a 59s. Wanted to see if these work first before trying the 97a.

Hopefully they make some more 97a 60s but white next time. Would smang.

Or maybe they'll hear Fleas cry for some 60+... Could you imagine some 63s???


I have some Soft Ds in 92 duro 63mm size, still almost new, silent but deadly, we used to call them...

They don't even show up online in any searches so they must be old.

The new Formula Four 97 duro wheels are miles ahead of these old formulas though, which is why they stopped making them, but they are still fun to do laps on if the 97s are not right for the job.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 28, 2023, 06:25:25 PM
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Just to confirm you are on the 59mm 99 duro wheels there?

A lot of people have been getting the 58mm 97 duro Radial Full and loving the feel of them on more slippery or rough surfaces, so I could see how they would work.

Those T Funk red ones are also 60mm 97 duro too, which I know you had mentioned.
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Yessir, the normal 99a 59s. Wanted to see if these work first before trying the 97a.

Hopefully they make some more 97a 60s but white next time. Would smang.

Or maybe they'll hear Fleas cry for some 60+... Could you imagine some 63s???

62mm and 66.6mm Classic F4 99a coming Spring 2024 drop 1.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 29, 2023, 09:08:51 AM
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Just to confirm you are on the 59mm 99 duro wheels there?

A lot of people have been getting the 58mm 97 duro Radial Full and loving the feel of them on more slippery or rough surfaces, so I could see how they would work.

Those T Funk red ones are also 60mm 97 duro too, which I know you had mentioned.
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Yessir, the normal 99a 59s. Wanted to see if these work first before trying the 97a.

Hopefully they make some more 97a 60s but white next time. Would smang.

Or maybe they'll hear Fleas cry for some 60+... Could you imagine some 63s???
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62mm and 66.6mm Classic F4 99a coming Spring 2024 drop 1.
How wide are these gonna be? Classics are stupid wide even in smaller sizes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 29, 2023, 09:37:30 AM
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Post by: white guy in a durag on November 29, 2023, 10:18:25 AM
I will buy as many sets of these as I can. It is fruitless to try and stop me.
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Post by: rikki on November 29, 2023, 10:19:21 AM
Holy fuck those are huge.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on November 29, 2023, 10:42:09 AM
At the other end of the spectrum...

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lou Strux on November 29, 2023, 03:26:41 PM
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Here at last is the @Uncle Flea pro model wheel that the prophets have long told our people of.
Flea, this must be a very proud moment for you.
Matt Reason fans rejoice!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 29, 2023, 03:35:14 PM
I want to skate two of the 43s and two of the 66s. Should I put the 43s on the back truck and 66s on the front for a quicker snap? Maybe the 66s toeside and 43s on the heels to help with my kickflips?
On the other hand, I might wait for the 72s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on November 29, 2023, 03:46:43 PM
I want to skate two of the 43s and two of the 66s. Should I put the 43s on the back truck and 66s on the front for a quicker snap? Maybe the 66s toeside and 43s on the heels to help with my kickflips?
On the other hand, I might wait for the 72s
Small wheels on back for quick snap. Large wheels in back if you want to Ollie over traffic lights.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 29, 2023, 04:44:59 PM
wow I'm so hyped for these. I'll probably hate the 43s but I'll skate em anyways fuck it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on November 29, 2023, 04:59:38 PM
wow I'm so hyped for these. I'll probably hate the 43s but I'll skate em anyways fuck it.

I just remembered I just bought two sets of lil smokies earlier today. what terrible timing
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on November 29, 2023, 11:00:38 PM
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I wish I was man enough to ride 60mm wheels. I always get the urge to size up but have to remind myself that it'll only hurt me in terms of consistency.

Also random question, I have a set of lightly used 54mm OG Classics that I've been holding onto and when I went to set them up, I can't get the bearings to fit at all (way too tight). Is this a common issue and if so, any ideas for how to fix? Would getting WD40 help?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on November 29, 2023, 11:31:11 PM
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I want to skate two of the 43s and two of the 66s. Should I put the 43s on the back truck and 66s on the front for a quicker snap? Maybe the 66s toeside and 43s on the heels to help with my kickflips?
On the other hand, I might wait for the 72s
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Small wheels on back for quick snap. Large wheels in back if you want to Ollie over traffic lights.

this could get fuckin wild

multipurpose like a leatherman tool

run a consistent twin tip on thunders? or min-max a fa/hockey shape with ventures, one hi and and one lo?

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on November 30, 2023, 01:04:02 AM
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I wish I was man enough to ride 60mm wheels. I always get the urge to size up but have to remind myself that it'll only hurt me in terms of consistency.

Also random question, I have a set of lightly used 54mm OG Classics that I've been holding onto and when I went to set them up, I can't get the bearings to fit at all (way too tight). Is this a common issue and if so, any ideas for how to fix? Would getting WD40 help?

I have a set of OG Classics that are hella tight as well. Plus many hard-as-f*ck park wheels (e.g. Bones SPF 84b) can be a pain in the ass with regards to inserting bearings.

Solution: drop a tiny tiny bit of bearing oil, sewing machine oil or even olive oil if you don't have anyhing else (no WD40, it attracts dirt like a mf) on your finger and just ever-so-slightly lube the outside rims of the bearings (not the sides). They'll slip in better but not slip out (unless you go crazy with the oil). Worked for me and the bearings stay on.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on November 30, 2023, 05:28:45 AM
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I wish I was man enough to ride 60mm wheels. I always get the urge to size up but have to remind myself that it'll only hurt me in terms of consistency.

Also random question, I have a set of lightly used 54mm OG Classics that I've been holding onto and when I went to set them up, I can't get the bearings to fit at all (way too tight). Is this a common issue and if so, any ideas for how to fix? Would getting WD40 help?

Ah I have a hack for this! After striking trouble getting bearings seated in hard - as - fuck 84B Bones SPFs.
Use the smallest dab of silicone grease and very lightly grease up the inside of the core of the wheel. Less is more because you want your bearings seated - you don't want your bearings slipping!
Silicone grease is the best lube for rubber/urethane.

Btw those new F4 sizes are ridiculous. But I'll might cop the 66mm just to see.. I'd love to see some classic fulls in F4 but in sizes that aren't so crazy! (56/58mm) and 101's!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on November 30, 2023, 06:11:17 AM
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I wish I was man enough to ride 60mm wheels. I always get the urge to size up but have to remind myself that it'll only hurt me in terms of consistency.



the 60mm classics arent too bad. they dont feel chunky or heavy. they do feel skinny and tall off jump but after a day of powerslides they pan out well. they were a lot easier to skate than 54mm+ conical fulls
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2023, 10:39:01 AM
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I wish I was man enough to ride 60mm wheels. I always get the urge to size up but have to remind myself that it'll only hurt me in terms of consistency.

Also random question, I have a set of lightly used 54mm OG Classics that I've been holding onto and when I went to set them up, I can't get the bearings to fit at all (way too tight). Is this a common issue and if so, any ideas for how to fix? Would getting WD40 help?
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Ah I have a hack for this! After striking trouble getting bearings seated in hard - as - fuck 84B Bones SPFs.
Use the smallest dab of silicone grease and very lightly grease up the inside of the core of the wheel. Less is more because you want your bearings seated - you don't want your bearings slipping!
Silicone grease is the best lube for rubber/urethane.

Btw those new F4 sizes are ridiculous. But I'll might cop the 66mm just to see.. I'd love to see some classic fulls in F4 but in sizes that aren't so crazy! (56/58mm) and 101's!


I just did this trying to get some Bronson raw into some spit 99 A’s they just would not go in (I don't have a real press, just a tool with a bearing push). Maybe it’s temperature who knows so I put a little dab of oil on my finger and ran it on the inside of the wheels in the bearing seat, and they slid in just fine; it was just one dab for all four wheels I did not go back and re-apply oil to my finger each time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2023, 11:04:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoerFEijOqA

Ricta feeling left out with the current trend...52mm 92a ATV formula - I don't follow the clouds released but had no idea they made 92a or clouds at 52mm - good watch just to watch Asta...dude is just so good.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: minilogoflow on November 30, 2023, 11:18:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoerFEijOqA

Ricta feeling left out with the current trend...52mm 92a ATV formula - I don't follow the clouds released but had no idea they made 92a or clouds at 52mm - good watch just to watch Asta...dude is just so good.


The 92a clouds have been out for awhile, I had a set ~4 years ago. They're not bad wheels, definitely has more of a cruiser feel but can slide if you really push into it. Imo the dragons do everything these do except 10x better.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on November 30, 2023, 12:16:15 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoerFEijOqA

Ricta feeling left out with the current trend...52mm 92a ATV formula - I don't follow the clouds released but had no idea they made 92a or clouds at 52mm - good watch just to watch Asta...dude is just so good.
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The 92a clouds have been out for awhile, I had a set ~4 years ago. They're not bad wheels, definitely has more of a cruiser feel but can slide if you really push into it. Imo the dragons do everything these do except 10x better.

Yeah the 92a Clouds are far more of a cruiser wheel that you can do some tricks on.  They do slide a bit but you really gotta push em. Dragons are definitely better in every way if you're focused on a crusty spot trick wheel.  The Clouds are a great wheel though no doubt.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on November 30, 2023, 01:17:24 PM
I know these wheels. He really made it look like they slide, but I'll bet on that ledge being to waxed up that some 78a cruisers would slide as well. I've tried them and they 100% feel like soft wheels that don't slide
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 30, 2023, 11:02:06 PM
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wow I'm so hyped for these. I'll probably hate the 43s but I'll skate em anyways fuck it.
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I just remembered I just bought two sets of lil smokies earlier today. what terrible timing


These Beatdowns might be a while before they come out, but at least Lil Smokies are always there and usually a way better price than the pro / regular Formula Four wheels too.


I wonder how many they will make and if they will all sell out quickly or stock left by the cart load for the more odd sizes, or even if a lot of people will buy them just to have a fun looking wheel and not skate them.

Either way, it will be interesting to see them, especially the biggest and smallest of them.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: flocke on December 01, 2023, 12:14:11 AM
bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorption but a little better slide would be nice.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on December 01, 2023, 12:37:05 AM
bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorbation but a little better slide would be nice.

Both are great, but X99 outperforms the former. Yes, they slide better, and yes, they are also faster.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 01, 2023, 06:36:37 AM
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bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorbation but a little better slide would be nice.
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Both are great, but X99 outperforms the former. Yes, they slide better, and yes, they are also faster.
better shock absorption with the x99s?
shouldnt make sense but if its true ill try a set
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on December 01, 2023, 06:38:25 AM
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bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorbation but a little better slide would be nice.
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Both are great, but X99 outperforms the former. Yes, they slide better, and yes, they are also faster.
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better shock absorption with the x99s?
shouldnt make sense but if its true ill try a set

No discernible difference in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on December 01, 2023, 09:28:28 AM
bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorption but a little better slide would be nice.
Yerp. I bought some x99 after riding x97 for a few. Months. And after one week I’m back on x97’s

The x99s were noticeably harder and more chattery. Def hurt my feet a little more.

As for sliding, they are not that much more slidey. They feel pretty much the same as x97. Just, harder and more chirpy.

I don’t think I’ll ever go back to x99. If I want harder wheel I’d do STF or SPF.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 01, 2023, 12:54:50 PM
bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorption but a little better slide would be nice.



I find the x99s less sticky, and better feeling as they are harder and louder. Absorption is damn near the same but obviously the x97s would be better because they're softer....

I mean you start at x/93a....x97....x99 (x101.....x103...etc..) of course the benefits will be less the harder you go, with any wheel, regardless of brand.

Slides and rebound not withstanding, after a week back on spit 99a, my knees and feet won out and I'm back on x99s.

The x97 is going to be the sweetspot for most people, and I could go x97 without any real worry (I just wouldn't bluntside as much); the x99s feel and sound 'more normal' and that has a pretty big phycological effect (like running your board with wheels not jiggly vs tighter).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on December 01, 2023, 01:16:14 PM
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bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorption but a little better slide would be nice.


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I find the x99s less sticky, and better feeling as they are harder and louder. Absorption is damn near the same but obviously the x97s would be better because they're softer....

I mean you start at x/93a....x97....x99 (x101.....x103...etc..) of course the benefits will be less the harder you go, with any wheel, regardless of brand.

Slides and rebound not withstanding, after a week back on spit 99a, my knees and feet won out and I'm back on x99s.

The x97 is going to be the sweetspot for most people, and I could go x97 without any real worry (I just wouldn't bluntside as much); the x99s feel and sound 'more normal' and that has a pretty big phycological effect (like running your board with wheels not jiggly vs tighter).
X97 is a sweet spot. Fo sho.

I did find x99 to not be that much easier to powerslide. To be fair I’m not doing blunt slides anymore… but I’ll give a good try on a flat ground blunt slide to see what the x99 is like vs. the x97.

I’m not sure which wheel I’d prefer if I was younger. Back then I didn’t give a shit, and would just roll whatever was on sale. (Except spitfire… that OG formula flat spots horribly easy)

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 01, 2023, 04:05:49 PM
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bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorption but a little better slide would be nice.


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I find the x99s less sticky, and better feeling as they are harder and louder. Absorption is damn near the same but obviously the x97s would be better because they're softer....

I mean you start at x/93a....x97....x99 (x101.....x103...etc..) of course the benefits will be less the harder you go, with any wheel, regardless of brand.

Slides and rebound not withstanding, after a week back on spit 99a, my knees and feet won out and I'm back on x99s.

The x97 is going to be the sweetspot for most people, and I could go x97 without any real worry (I just wouldn't bluntside as much); the x99s feel and sound 'more normal' and that has a pretty big phycological effect (like running your board with wheels not jiggly vs tighter).
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X97 is a sweet spot. Fo sho.

I did find x99 to not be that much easier to powerslide. To be fair I’m not doing blunt slides anymore… but I’ll give a good try on a flat ground blunt slide to see what the x99 is like vs. the x97.

I’m not sure which wheel I’d prefer if I was younger. Back then I didn’t give a shit, and would just roll whatever was on sale. (Except spitfire… that OG formula flat spots horribly easy)



Went out with both x97 and x99 - weirdly enough, this one spot had the x97s speed checking much louder (these are launch x97s that have been sitting) - everywhere else the x99s sounded better.

Picked up some V6 54mm (!) x99s in black (bigger boy wheels) - I wanted blk and the sidecut so V5s were out...the 53 v1 x99s kept slipping out of front crooks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: flocke on December 03, 2023, 05:31:01 AM
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bones x97 vs x99

currently on bones x97 and loving them so far. especially because i can have longer sessions without having back or knee pain.

but thinking about switching to x99 for the better slideability. Is it worth it or is the slideability almost the same? 

Asking because main focus is still on impact absorption but a little better slide would be nice.
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Yerp. I bought some x99 after riding x97 for a few. Months. And after one week I’m back on x97’s

The x99s were noticeably harder and more chattery. Def hurt my feet a little more.

As for sliding, they are not that much more slidey. They feel pretty much the same as x97. Just, harder and more chirpy.

I don’t think I’ll ever go back to x99. If I want harder wheel I’d do STF or SPF.

i think i will stay on x97 then if the impact absorption is better (more of the softer feeling) and there is not much difference in slideability compared to the x99.

As you mentioned maybe its a good idea to just get the stf 103 as an back up wheel when you need it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 03, 2023, 12:28:07 PM
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Just to confirm you are on the 59mm 99 duro wheels there?

A lot of people have been getting the 58mm 97 duro Radial Full and loving the feel of them on more slippery or rough surfaces, so I could see how they would work.

Those T Funk red ones are also 60mm 97 duro too, which I know you had mentioned.
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Yessir, the normal 99a 59s. Wanted to see if these work first before trying the 97a.

Hopefully they make some more 97a 60s but white next time. Would smang.

Or maybe they'll hear Fleas cry for some 60+... Could you imagine some 63s???
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62mm and 66.6mm Classic F4 99a coming Spring 2024 drop 1.

Bet.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 03, 2023, 12:28:57 PM
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Here at last is the @Uncle Flea pro model wheel that the prophets have long told our people of.
Flea, this must be a very proud moment for you.
Matt Reason fans rejoice!

Yes!!! Lol

I'm sooooo glad I waited to get wheels. I knew my patience would pay off.

Best shit ever
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 03, 2023, 12:46:43 PM
I want to skate two of the 43s and two of the 66s. Should I put the 43s on the back truck and 66s on the front for a quicker snap? Maybe the 66s toeside and 43s on the heels to help with my kickflips?
On the other hand, I might wait for the 72s


I feel like smaller wheels in the front would have the best long-term effects on your style.

Think about like Jeff Stevens style. He does all those sick like disaster hang ups. I feel like having Small wheels in the front might help develop those muscles?

The opposite might help with nollie flips out of nose manny. So you don't tap as easily
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 05, 2023, 05:38:06 PM
In typical PP fashion, the x99s in black (like all colored STFs used to be) feel harder than their white counterparts. They felt as hard as 99 spits on regular to crappy terrain...NGL I'm a bit disappointed (but kinda felt that is what I was getting into from skating colored STFs back in the day). I would totally skate these in a smooth park and be ok with it.

(https://i.ibb.co/6gBQ0fm/IMG-5512.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6gBQ0fm)

Speed check chirps
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0d2KBqwFTewBBEqvpHowpVFbg

The V6s feel / look like Radials and were awesome for feeble grind slappies (especially getting out of them).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lurkluke on December 06, 2023, 01:05:33 PM
There's a sale on OJ at the moment near me, and they are all half price, which is obviously appealing. Anyone got opinions on why/why not I should buy a set of Super Juice?

Spots near me are mostly crusty, I do some tricks down stuff, but nothing heavy, some transition in the park, but mostly cruising crust.

Reading about wheel sizes/urethane specs does my head in, so any thoughts would be great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on December 06, 2023, 02:07:33 PM
if you dont need to slide then grab em
but mind you, they bounce a lot
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on December 06, 2023, 03:07:13 PM
if you like to cruise they are superb, but doing tricks on is not what you really want to do with them.
if you want a bit of both cruise + tricks and in OJ, i would say get the keyframes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: lurkluke on December 06, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
if you dont need to slide then grab em
but mind you, they bounce a lot

if you like to cruise they are superb, but doing tricks on is not what you really want to do with them.
if you want a bit of both cruise + tricks and in OJ, i would say get the keyframes

cheers team. Will cop some keyframes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 07, 2023, 11:33:13 AM
I've got Super Juice on a cruiser and would never put them on a board I'd want to seriously skate.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on December 08, 2023, 01:02:38 AM
Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on December 08, 2023, 02:06:59 AM
Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.

Keyframes are objectively, far from a shitty wheel. They are great cruiser wheels and do not chunk apart easily from riding on some crust/rough ground. Are they the best? No, not at all.

I got Keyframes rn and been running them since 2017. Your mileage may vary is the takeaway with a wheel like a Keyframe, ATF, Dragon, etc. They work well: standard workhorse cruiser/rough terrain wheel.

They keep speed well, especially if you take care of the bearings. Could feel somewhat slow sometimes when you're bearings aren't spinning as well, though. Ride is smooth, grind on coping fine, can even grind ledges, and the slide is minimal. You'd have to really push to get them to slide. There's some give, but not enough. If you wanna slide at all, these may not be the ones to pick up (if you haven't bought yet)

For overall cruising and some flat tricks, they will work just fine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on December 08, 2023, 06:55:49 AM
i personally love the OJ Super Juice wheels...  its definitely not a board you set up to do tricks on, but if we are talking about unlocking new spots there is no better wheel imo. my village is absolute shit roads but I can actually have quite a bit of fun on my skateboard because of these wheels now. I 100% need a normal board if I want to have a full session at my curb spots, but I still slap a few here and there and fire off some flip tricks if i am wiating around for take out. I baby the wheels a little bit because I know how soft they are and I know they are prone to shredding if you are beating the shit out of them.

I have never rode Keyframe formula but yeah if you are expecting it to be something you use at the skatepark or beat up curbs with on the regular that is not what they are meant for... tbh they would probably make more sense for the type of skating I do with my cruiser. i just love how insanely cruisery and stable the super juices are, i feel a lot safer hitting a sidewalk crack going 20km / h on a hill bomb manny on that shape  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 08, 2023, 10:28:30 AM
Anyone sampled the new Spitfire 80HD super wides yet? (Spitfire's answer to a proper cruiser/ filmer wheel.)

(https://shop.ccs.com/cdn/shop/files/888560316515-1_1280x.jpg?v=1698967190)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mrselfdestruct on December 08, 2023, 10:34:06 AM
i keep seeing people ride radials. whats the big deal? i ride conical fulls but like the way radials look better. what is the point of radials? will they look into a handrail nicely?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 08, 2023, 10:57:42 AM
Radials are tied for my favorite shape. The inner portion of the wheel (near the bearings) is slightly narrower and a rounded lip both traintracks less and for me locks into anything nicer. It's got a pretty wide riding patch without being a truly wide wheel and they feel noticeably smoother on the rougher surfaces that I skate compared to a Classic, but my board still feels nimble.

I've tried Conical Fulls many time and just never been super convinced that they were for me. When I used to skate the Oakland Courthouse a lot I would constantly catch the sidewall in the cracks between the tiles and ate shit a few times. I don't need something that beefy and with 148/5.6 trucks the marginal added width of the Radials plus 2-3 washers gives me more room than a Conical full and the outside of the wheel is in the same spot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on December 08, 2023, 10:58:05 AM
Anyone sampled the new Spitfire 80HD super wides yet? (Spitfire's answer to a proper cruiser/ filmer wheel.)

(https://shop.ccs.com/cdn/shop/files/888560316515-1_1280x.jpg?v=1698967190)

Do these chunk out like other soft wheels?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 08, 2023, 11:06:03 PM
Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.

I agree. I can slide key frames but it whips back to forward and you seem to have the same amount of speed.
So sliding only helps with when you need to avoid getting run over or hitting someone walking or whatever.

I don't think I'd ever get a wheel softer than 95a again. I might cop the Nano Cubic. I saw them but I'm going to check orchard for Funks first.

I need a 60mm wheel to tide me over till spring.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 08, 2023, 11:09:27 PM
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Anyone sampled the new Spitfire 80HD super wides yet? (Spitfire's answer to a proper cruiser/ filmer wheel.)

(https://shop.ccs.com/cdn/shop/files/888560316515-1_1280x.jpg?v=1698967190)
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Do these chunk out like other soft wheels?

The old naturals in classic shape lasted me like from 2013 to 2016. I wore a good 10mm off them no issues. I assume a little chunk will happen on the edges but only if youre mashing through the tiles and edging out all the time.

Or hitting insane crust every day
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on December 09, 2023, 12:52:03 AM
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Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.
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I agree. I can slide key frames but it whips back to forward and you seem to have the same amount of speed.
So sliding only helps with when you need to avoid getting run over or hitting someone walking or whatever.

I don't think I'd ever get a wheel softer than 95a again. I might cop the Nano Cubic. I saw them but I'm going to check orchard for Funks first.

I need a 60mm wheel to tide me over till spring.

I got keyframes two years ago because I heard good things about them. I hated them instantly after the first day. Dragons 93a are the shit. I saw nanocubics shape in 60mm and 93a, should be a fun wheel for cruising too. They also have 64mm Dragons but too scared of that size.  :D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 09, 2023, 07:42:03 AM
I would be so hyped on a massive Radial Full-type shape but in the 93a Dragon formula. 64mm or so.

I want to try the Dragons formula for long pushes but I'm not into any of their shapes for the bigger sizes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on December 09, 2023, 09:09:17 AM
I would be so hyped on a massive Radial Full-type shape but in the 93a Dragon formula. 64mm or so.

I want to try the Dragons formula for long pushes but I'm not into any of their shapes for the bigger sizes.

I'm pretty sure the Dragons 60mm Rat Bones would not disappoint you a whole lot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 09, 2023, 11:29:40 AM
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I would be so hyped on a massive Radial Full-type shape but in the 93a Dragon formula. 64mm or so.

I want to try the Dragons formula for long pushes but I'm not into any of their shapes for the bigger sizes.
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I'm pretty sure the Dragons 60mm Rat Bones would not disappoint you a whole lot.

For sure, I am just fickle.

I am morally opposed to asymmetric and square edge wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 09, 2023, 11:31:45 AM
Same but  i had to purchase some SF lockins just to be sure I am correct in my opposition.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on December 09, 2023, 06:37:16 PM
Could someone with some 55m OJ super juice minis tell me if they protrude much past the axel nut? I'm wanting to build a cruiser and trying to math out some deck and truck combos.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 09, 2023, 09:07:21 PM
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Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.
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I agree. I can slide key frames but it whips back to forward and you seem to have the same amount of speed.
So sliding only helps with when you need to avoid getting run over or hitting someone walking or whatever.

I don't think I'd ever get a wheel softer than 95a again. I might cop the Nano Cubic. I saw them but I'm going to check orchard for Funks first.

I need a 60mm wheel to tide me over till spring.
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I got keyframes two years ago because I heard good things about them. I hated them instantly after the first day. Dragons 93a are the shit. I saw nanocubics shape in 60mm and 93a, should be a fun wheel for cruising too. They also have 64mm Dragons but too scared of that size.  :D

Yeah I'm on 58 mm dragons rn. I need like a spit. Im just trying to decide between the og and the regular classic.

I might just get the tallest 97a spit I can find.

The off set nano would probably exaggerate my double sided curb issues. I gotta subtract truck real estate to find the balance.

Og probably.

I'm going to just set up my dragons when I got to skate to Lynn or whatever
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: eviltgirl on December 09, 2023, 09:59:44 PM
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Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.
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I agree. I can slide key frames but it whips back to forward and you seem to have the same amount of speed.
So sliding only helps with when you need to avoid getting run over or hitting someone walking or whatever.

I don't think I'd ever get a wheel softer than 95a again. I might cop the Nano Cubic. I saw them but I'm going to check orchard for Funks first.

I need a 60mm wheel to tide me over till spring.
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I got keyframes two years ago because I heard good things about them. I hated them instantly after the first day. Dragons 93a are the shit. I saw nanocubics shape in 60mm and 93a, should be a fun wheel for cruising too. They also have 64mm Dragons but too scared of that size.  :D
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Yeah I'm on 58 mm dragons rn. I need like a spit. Im just trying to decide between the og and the regular classic.

I might just get the tallest 97a spit I can find.

The off set nano would probably exaggerate my double sided curb issues. I gotta subtract truck real estate to find the balance.

Og probably.

I'm going to just set up my dragons when I got to skate to Lynn or whatever

https://www.havocskateboards.com/product/spitfire-jeff-carlyle-formula-four-97a-conical-full-58mm/1387

i think this would be what youre looking for, only place i found them in stock
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on December 10, 2023, 02:07:30 AM
Could someone with some 55m OJ super juice minis tell me if they protrude much past the axel nut? I'm wanting to build a cruiser and trying to math out some deck and truck combos.

I think they do a few mm, not sure and cant measure it because I threw mine away. They're fun while they last which isnt very long.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 10, 2023, 10:13:04 AM
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Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.
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I agree. I can slide key frames but it whips back to forward and you seem to have the same amount of speed.
So sliding only helps with when you need to avoid getting run over or hitting someone walking or whatever.

I don't think I'd ever get a wheel softer than 95a again. I might cop the Nano Cubic. I saw them but I'm going to check orchard for Funks first.

I need a 60mm wheel to tide me over till spring.
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I got keyframes two years ago because I heard good things about them. I hated them instantly after the first day. Dragons 93a are the shit. I saw nanocubics shape in 60mm and 93a, should be a fun wheel for cruising too. They also have 64mm Dragons but too scared of that size.  :D
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Yeah I'm on 58 mm dragons rn. I need like a spit. Im just trying to decide between the og and the regular classic.

I might just get the tallest 97a spit I can find.

The off set nano would probably exaggerate my double sided curb issues. I gotta subtract truck real estate to find the balance.

Og probably.

I'm going to just set up my dragons when I got to skate to Lynn or whatever

https://youtu.be/E7VoxQgiQ1k?t=204

Haven't found much out in the wild about the nanos...grain of salt here for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 10, 2023, 12:20:24 PM
Could someone with some 55m OJ super juice minis tell me if they protrude much past the axel nut? I'm wanting to build a cruiser and trying to math out some deck and truck combos.

The edge of the wheel will be 1/8" beyond the end of the axle.

1/4" total.

So if you're riding 8.5" axles, 55mm Superjuices will line nicely with an 8.75" deck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on December 10, 2023, 02:43:21 PM
yeah easily that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 10, 2023, 08:26:42 PM
Same but  i had to purchase some SF lockins just to be sure I am correct in my opposition.

Against my better judgement, I just bought some 53s…madness
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on December 11, 2023, 12:52:50 PM
Have we discussed the quasi protothane wheels? Has anyone skated them? Where are they poured? Differnt shapes? You know typical wheel madness questions
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 11, 2023, 12:56:15 PM
Have we discussed the quasi protothane wheels? Has anyone skated them? Where are they poured? Differnt shapes? You know typical wheel madness questions

They’ve popped up in this thread (try a 🔍 ); they’re nothing special, generic creatives.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 11, 2023, 01:16:50 PM
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Have we discussed the quasi protothane wheels? Has anyone skated them? Where are they poured? Differnt shapes? You know typical wheel madness questions
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They’ve popped up in this thread (try a 🔍 ); they’re nothing special, generic creatives.


I got a set just to see what they were like.

They skate way better than the other wheels from Creative so I don't know if it is a different formula they used or from a different wheel manufacturer.

Still not quite the same as Spitfire Formula Four or Bones wheel variants, but I would maybe choose them over almost any other current generic wheel that I have had in recent years - by no means tried everything on the market, but definitely got a lot of different brands of wheel from trade ins and swaps, as well as some new.


The ones I have are 54 mm in a semi classic shape and then a conical shape, almost like Spitfire Conical Full only not quite as wide, but similar other dimensions.  They feel nice and hold up well on every surface I tried, including bitumen / road, rough concrete, smooth concrete, wood and skate lite ramp surfaces, not too grippy on the rough stuff, not too slick on the wood and smooth concrete.

That is my take on them anyway, from putting them on a board and giving them a go, as well as letting anyone else have a roll on them who wanted to.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lou Strux on December 11, 2023, 02:07:41 PM
I don’t know ‘bout all these haters but I loves me some asymmetrical wheel profile.
Haven’t fucked w/ the mini cubics or any of the OJ offerings because I’m loyal to my soil (so to speak) and those F4 Lock-Ins are scratching my funny wheel itch just fine.
Are they running a larger (58mm?) Lock-In Fulls in the F4 97du yet? ‘Cause that feels like it could eat up a whole lot of a cruiser/curb market segment if they did.
Powell’s got some real nice formulations these days, but I’d take a performance version of a larger cruiser profile wheel (when blown up to larger wheel proportions, the Lock-In Fulls fit this discriptor) in that sweet-azz F4 97 over just about anything else on the softer wheel market. I still feel the balance between slip & grip is hella good & they don’t bind on grinds, but that 97 du has got the squishier feel/rebound of a 93-95 wheel, packaged in some branding that lets me keep it real in the yay area.
TLDR: I like the funny shaped wheels. Yes please!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Puddy Smally on December 11, 2023, 05:56:10 PM
Anyone here try out Oj Chubbies yet? Kinda been eyeing those for a minute.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on December 11, 2023, 10:34:04 PM
I don’t know ‘bout all these haters but I loves me some asymmetrical wheel profile.
Haven’t fucked w/ the mini cubics or any of the OJ offerings because I’m loyal to my soil (so to speak) and those F4 Lock-Ins are scratching my funny wheel itch just fine.
Are they running a larger (58mm?) Lock-In Fulls in the F4 97du yet? ‘Cause that feels like it could eat up a whole lot of a cruiser/curb market segment if they did.
Powell’s got some real nice formulations these days, but I’d take a performance version of a larger cruiser profile wheel (when blown up to larger wheel proportions, the Lock-In Fulls fit this discriptor) in that sweet-azz F4 97 over just about anything else on the softer wheel market. I still feel the balance between slip & grip is hella good & they don’t bind on grinds, but that 97 du has got the squishier feel/rebound of a 93-95 wheel, packaged in some branding that lets me keep it real in the yay area.
TLDR: I like the funny shaped wheels. Yes please!

Idk just my personal experience but the 97s felt very dull to me (rode both RF and CF in their larger sizes) compared to what Powell/Bones has to offer these days. But if youre a devoted Spits fan give them a go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on December 12, 2023, 02:35:16 AM
I don’t know ‘bout all these haters but I loves me some asymmetrical wheel profile.
Haven’t fucked w/ the mini cubics or any of the OJ offerings because I’m loyal to my soil (so to speak) and those F4 Lock-Ins are scratching my funny wheel itch just fine.
Are they running a larger (58mm?) Lock-In Fulls in the F4 97du yet? ‘Cause that feels like it could eat up a whole lot of a cruiser/curb market segment if they did.
Powell’s got some real nice formulations these days, but I’d take a performance version of a larger cruiser profile wheel (when blown up to larger wheel proportions, the Lock-In Fulls fit this discriptor) in that sweet-azz F4 97 over just about anything else on the softer wheel market. I still feel the balance between slip & grip is hella good & they don’t bind on grinds, but that 97 du has got the squishier feel/rebound of a 93-95 wheel, packaged in some branding that lets me keep it real in the yay area.
TLDR: I like the funny shaped wheels. Yes please!

Sadly no 97A Lock-In Fulls [yet?], and the biggest 99A ones are 57mm. The 58mm Radial Fulls in 97A probably come closest to what you're describing. I love that wheel, I barely need to push on those bad boys. They're too chunky for my everyday setup though, I've settled for the 54mm version on my main ride.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Kaydubbb on December 12, 2023, 04:12:16 AM
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Could someone with some 55m OJ super juice minis tell me if they protrude much past the axel nut? I'm wanting to build a cruiser and trying to math out some deck and truck combos.
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The edge of the wheel will be 1/8" beyond the end of the axle.

1/4" total.

So if you're riding 8.5" axles, 55mm Superjuices will line nicely with an 8.75" deck.

Perfect! Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on December 12, 2023, 11:11:05 AM
So, I'm an insane person who likes wheels graphics. So I thought I'd hit my wheels with some clear coat to make the graphic last longer. The Gloss coat, on the wheel made the graphic way more dull. But I do feel like it makes a difference, I think a minimalist wheel graphic would yield a better result... or at least that's what I'm telling myself so I can buy the scifi spitfires.

(https://i.imgur.com/76l5O8ph.jpg)

Session one
(https://i.imgur.com/b6p1wLYh.jpg)

Session 5
(https://i.imgur.com/jdp8RJEh.jpg)


riding the primitive wheels because I won them, they're the right size/shape and they're not bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on December 12, 2023, 12:21:47 PM
^ Impressed and frightened by your insanity. Only ever heard bad things about these wheels
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on December 12, 2023, 01:14:45 PM
^ Impressed and frightened by your insanity. Only ever heard bad things about these wheels
Everything he ^ said.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: drinny on December 12, 2023, 01:42:54 PM
So, I'm an insane person who likes wheels graphics. So I thought I'd hit my wheels with some clear coat to make the graphic last longer. The Gloss coat, on the wheel made the graphic way more dull. But I do feel like it makes a difference, I think a minimalist wheel graphic would yield a better result... or at least that's what I'm telling myself so I can buy the scifi spitfires.

(https://i.imgur.com/76l5O8ph.jpg)

Session one
(https://i.imgur.com/b6p1wLYh.jpg)

Session 5
(https://i.imgur.com/jdp8RJEh.jpg)


riding the primitive wheels because I won them, they're the right size/shape and they're not bad.

this is cool

inveterate graphics scraper-offer here mind
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rawbertson. on December 12, 2023, 02:35:06 PM
They aren’t unskateable. They used to offer a radial slim type that was decent. Nothing special about em though. I don’t think they have done wheels for a few drops now though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: animalflesh on December 12, 2023, 02:38:51 PM
Could someone with some 55m OJ super juice minis tell me if they protrude much past the axel nut? I'm wanting to build a cruiser and trying to math out some deck and truck combos.

Protrude past the nut come on now…
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: scab on December 13, 2023, 12:46:53 AM
So, I'm an insane person who likes wheels graphics. So I thought I'd hit my wheels with some clear coat to make the graphic last longer. The Gloss coat, on the wheel made the graphic way more dull. But I do feel like it makes a difference, I think a minimalist wheel graphic would yield a better result... or at least that's what I'm telling myself so I can buy the scifi spitfires.

(https://i.imgur.com/76l5O8ph.jpg)

Session one
(https://i.imgur.com/b6p1wLYh.jpg)

Session 5
(https://i.imgur.com/jdp8RJEh.jpg)


riding the primitive wheels because I won them, they're the right size/shape and they're not bad.

Very interesting. I tried to do that with clear nail polish once, worked well for a couple of sessions but I would've had to re-apply it regularly to make the graphics actually last. Let us know if your solution holds up permanently, will ya?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on December 13, 2023, 08:32:33 AM
I doubt it’ll be permanent. The nature of skating. I do think if i rode a conical shape the wheel graphic would last longer.

I’m definitely not reapplying.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on December 13, 2023, 08:55:20 AM
I doubt it’ll be permanent. The nature of skating. I do think if i rode a conical shape the wheel graphic would last longer.

I’m definitely not reapplying.
Graphics on OG classics last forever
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 13, 2023, 09:21:38 AM
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I doubt it’ll be permanent. The nature of skating. I do think if i rode a conical shape the wheel graphic would last longer.

I’m definitely not reapplying.
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Graphics on OG classics last forever

My first set of lock-ins did as well (recessed a bit).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 13, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
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I doubt it’ll be permanent. The nature of skating. I do think if i rode a conical shape the wheel graphic would last longer.

I’m definitely not reapplying.
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Graphics on OG classics last forever
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My first set of lock-ins did as well (recessed a bit).


Classics and shapes with a lot of contact lose graphics very easily, but any other wheels with cutaway or inside areas, that graphic seems like it never comes off.

I wonder as well sometimes with the different application methods, as some of those full or picture type graphics almost come off like a cheap sticker off a board - maybe a heat transfer of sorts, but other graphics almost seem like they are printed into the urethane so I have had to take off the top layer of the wheel to remove the graphic text or whatever.

Most are the bubble transfer print now, as seen with Bones and a few other brands, but I think one of those super hi tech companies laser prints directly on the wheel, from another video I saw, but can't remember, maybe 2Hex or someone like that.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 13, 2023, 05:46:20 PM
Ricta wheel graphics can be wiped off with acetone and a rag.

I just bought a few sets of discounted Spitfire pro classics. You need a blade to remove the graphics, but I learned a good method. Not as quick as acetone, but a fully blanked wheel is worth the couple minutes it takes.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 13, 2023, 07:49:43 PM
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Keyframes are shitty wheels imo, slow as f*ck and won't slide at all. If you're actually looking for a wheel for crusty park + cruising with which you can do some tricks on, get 56mm Dragons.
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I agree. I can slide key frames but it whips back to forward and you seem to have the same amount of speed.
So sliding only helps with when you need to avoid getting run over or hitting someone walking or whatever.

I don't think I'd ever get a wheel softer than 95a again. I might cop the Nano Cubic. I saw them but I'm going to check orchard for Funks first.

I need a 60mm wheel to tide me over till spring.
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I got keyframes two years ago because I heard good things about them. I hated them instantly after the first day. Dragons 93a are the shit. I saw nanocubics shape in 60mm and 93a, should be a fun wheel for cruising too. They also have 64mm Dragons but too scared of that size.  :D
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Yeah I'm on 58 mm dragons rn. I need like a spit. Im just trying to decide between the og and the regular classic.

I might just get the tallest 97a spit I can find.

The off set nano would probably exaggerate my double sided curb issues. I gotta subtract truck real estate to find the balance.

Og probably.

I'm going to just set up my dragons when I got to skate to Lynn or whatever
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https://www.havocskateboards.com/product/spitfire-jeff-carlyle-formula-four-97a-conical-full-58mm/1387

i think this would be what youre looking for, only place i found them in stock

I almost copped the Funk 60s. But I had to decrease the weight of my current and I couldn't find the Funk 54s so I wound up copping the 54mm radial full in 97.

It's a bummer. That graphic is heat. Lucky kid got a good one. Sometimes the Graff thing don't work but those were good.


I watched all the funk footage that was dropped since last year I thought yeah. He goes. No way tho on the 60. If I was on 5.6s sure but I'm on 6.1s.

 
Then I watched Thorne review. Best wheel ever? He's on 58s.
I trust that kid.
He rides all the shapes and reissues of stuff I started out on. Good reviews.

He agreed that it's one of the best wheels to decrease the real estate of my trucks.
 I cant skate the curb I been skating for like almost 2 years on because it Lego locks  any grind that's not crook pinch.

If I don't like um I'll just try again in a month or so.

I didn't buy V6 x99s because I don't wanna buy something and have it be not quite wide enough to fix my issue.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on December 14, 2023, 12:07:11 AM
The graphics on a set of Dragons I have basically came off with a canned air duster. No joke.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on December 14, 2023, 07:00:06 AM
Ricta wheel graphics can be wiped off with acetone and a rag.

I just bought a few sets of discounted Spitfire pro classics. You need a blade to remove the graphics, but I learned a good method. Not as quick as acetone, but a fully blanked wheel is worth the couple minutes it takes.

Our park has a metal ledge, I just turn my new wheels to the inside and do some 5050s…graphics gone
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fast_Freddie on December 14, 2023, 10:42:50 AM
Got a couple sets of the Vu Skateshop x Bones x99 to try out.  Currently skating a Spitfire F4 Classic 53, so hopefully it won't be too drastic...

What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

Link for those interested
https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271 (https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on December 15, 2023, 12:14:17 AM

What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?


I've voiced my opinion about them here many times, and it hasn't changed after riding them for a while now. A great wheel. The main advantage for me with them is that they are less slippery for e.g. dusty indoor parks/plywood than F4 99, yet still fast and feeling like a real wheel, as opposed to e.g. Dragons. Slides great, too. Honestly I think it's the second-best wheel on the market right now after F4, and even trumps the F4 in certain conditions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on December 15, 2023, 03:10:54 AM
Got a couple sets of the Vu Skateshop x Bones x99 to try out.  Currently skating a Spitfire F4 Classic 53, so hopefully it won't be too drastic...

What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

Link for those interested
https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271 (https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271)

Honestly X99 is a revalation. The speed of F4101 and the chirpyness of a hard wheel but with the impact absorbtion, soft landings and crust slaying ability of the Dragon 93A. Maybe the best wheel on the market right now. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on December 15, 2023, 03:15:45 AM
Concur with the previous poster - they also grip well in indoor environs, definitely more grip than F499 but still have similar slide characteristics to the Dragon. Really nice and reliable grip/slip when you get the hang of them
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jsettle on December 15, 2023, 04:29:45 AM
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Got a couple sets of the Vu Skateshop x Bones x99 to try out.  Currently skating a Spitfire F4 Classic 53, so hopefully it won't be too drastic...

What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

Link for those interested
https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271 (https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271)
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Honestly X99 is a revalation. The speed of F4101 and the chirpyness of a hard wheel but with the impact absorbtion, soft landings and crust slaying ability of the Dragon 93A. Maybe the best wheel on the market right now. Enjoy!

You just sold me...Im grabbing a pair from SW since they are 30 percent off right now. Thanks for the info on them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 15, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
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What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

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I've voiced my opinion about them here many times, and it hasn't changed after riding them for a while now. A great wheel. The main advantage for me with them is that they are less slippery for e.g. dusty indoor parks/plywood than F4 99, yet still fast and feeling like a real wheel, as opposed to e.g. Dragons. Slides great, too. Honestly I think it's the second-best wheel on the market right now after F4, and even trumps the F4 in certain conditions.

I agree with this, but slightly prefer the 97 if I was to go with the X series. Mostly because I found the 99 not really much, if any, less grippy on coping or faster on smooth surfaces so why not get the extra grip and damping? The V5 shape is especially good and basically the perfect shape for me in the Bones lineup.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: mrselfdestruct on December 15, 2023, 07:44:08 AM
are ghetto child wheels any good?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on December 15, 2023, 08:02:17 AM
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What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

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I've voiced my opinion about them here many times, and it hasn't changed after riding them for a while now. A great wheel. The main advantage for me with them is that they are less slippery for e.g. dusty indoor parks/plywood than F4 99, yet still fast and feeling like a real wheel, as opposed to e.g. Dragons. Slides great, too. Honestly I think it's the second-best wheel on the market right now after F4, and even trumps the F4 in certain conditions.
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I agree with this, but slightly prefer the 97 if I was to go with the X series. Mostly because I found the 99 not really much, if any, less grippy on coping or faster on smooth surfaces so why not get the extra grip and damping? The V5 shape is especially good and basically the perfect shape for me in the Bones lineup.

The X97 is a great wheel, too. It's just my personal experience that the X99 FEELS faster. Cannot say objectively. For certain surfaces the X97 feels a bit too damp for my taste. But then again on e.g. certain type of asphalt it's amazing.

And yes, the V5 really is the perfect shape.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 15, 2023, 09:43:09 AM
are ghetto child wheels any good?

IMO and I think this reflects most of Slap:
Spitfire F4, Bones X series, mayyyyybe Bones STF are the most preferred/highest quality wheels.

Below that NFG had a dedicated following but they're out of business and there are only 2 major wheel manufacturers that make most brands. I dunno who makes Ghetto Child, but unless its Creative you're looking at a third tier wheel at best. No real reason to ride them over the top 3 choices.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 15, 2023, 12:10:57 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/8sG1t6k/IMG-20231215-145933-040.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jt8Dg5Z)
(https://i.ibb.co/vkBXs9g/IMG-20231215-145943-533.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QMcD80z)
(https://i.ibb.co/YtcCYrV/IMG-20231215-150003-172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zSXMjkt)

Hell yeah. This is a killer shape. I definitely should have trusted instinct and gone bigger.

No biggie. I realized that my 58mm dragons are now exactly 54mm. I was kinda shocked by that.
In 2023 I burned around 25- 30mm total of urethane.

That's fuckin cool to think about.

These remind me of the DTF formula wheel when I look at um.

Ditch tech formula was the formula that got away. Fuckin whole set up poof vanished.

Anyway here I go to the spot. Gonna check 97s out. I hope my imagination it's spoiled by dragons momentum.

That's hard to give up. Not many hills around here. Spit needs to match that one aspect of the new bones formula if possible.

Maintaining you're speed better was the true power of the new bones shit

Now we're heading into the 60mm plus in the spring it actually doesn't matter that much.

Wheels over 60 mm don't lose to much momentum.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 15, 2023, 12:39:25 PM
Just skated to the curb. A++ spit is #1
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on December 15, 2023, 01:53:23 PM
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What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

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I've voiced my opinion about them here many times, and it hasn't changed after riding them for a while now. A great wheel. The main advantage for me with them is that they are less slippery for e.g. dusty indoor parks/plywood than F4 99, yet still fast and feeling like a real wheel, as opposed to e.g. Dragons. Slides great, too. Honestly I think it's the second-best wheel on the market right now after F4, and even trumps the F4 in certain conditions.
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I agree with this, but slightly prefer the 97 if I was to go with the X series. Mostly because I found the 99 not really much, if any, less grippy on coping or faster on smooth surfaces so why not get the extra grip and damping? The V5 shape is especially good and basically the perfect shape for me in the Bones lineup.
^ yes. Except I like the look of v1 better…. But they have this ugly gold chain graphic. I wish they had the black bar like the v5/v6
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on December 15, 2023, 01:58:57 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/8sG1t6k/IMG-20231215-145933-040.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jt8Dg5Z)
(https://i.ibb.co/vkBXs9g/IMG-20231215-145943-533.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QMcD80z)
(https://i.ibb.co/YtcCYrV/IMG-20231215-150003-172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zSXMjkt)

Hell yeah. This is a killer shape. I definitely should have trusted instinct and gone bigger.

No biggie. I realized that my 58mm dragons are now exactly 54mm. I was kinda shocked by that.
In 2023 I burned around 25- 30mm total of urethane.

That's fuckin cool to think about.

These remind me of the DTF formula wheel when I look at um.

Ditch tech formula was the formula that got away. Fuckin whole set up poof vanished.

Anyway here I go to the spot. Gonna check 97s out. I hope my imagination it's spoiled by dragons momentum.

That's hard to give up. Not many hills around here. Spit needs to match that one aspect of the new bones formula if possible.

Maintaining you're speed better was the true power of the new bones shit

Now we're heading into the 60mm plus in the spring it actually doesn't matter that much.

Wheels over 60 mm don't lose to much momentum.
That really does look like a fun board to skate.

Those big fat wheels touch something way down deep to when I first got first skateboard in like ‘89 with big wheels like that.

Ever see the end of 2001: space odyssey when he’s turning back into a baby? I kind of feel like that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fast_Freddie on December 15, 2023, 03:19:16 PM
Got a couple sets of the Vu Skateshop x Bones x99 to try out.  Currently skating a Spitfire F4 Classic 53, so hopefully it won't be too drastic...

What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

Link for those interested
https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271 (https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271)

Tried out the x99 wheels today, mind you my local park is over 20 years old and the concrete has seen better days. 

Speed:  At my local the x99 felt faster than F499 classic
Slide: Wheel was definitely grippier sliding, but i think will be easy to control, no as “icy” feeling as F499 classic
Grip: Having skated both F499 classic & conical full, the x99 feel like a classic and conical full had a love child… it has the grip & confidence of a conical full with the agility of a classic
Placebo???: As an older skater (46), I felt the wheels definitely took the “shock” out of landing tricks, and my feet definitely thanked me after todays session… not sure if it was the new insoles or wheels, but was a great session today!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 15, 2023, 03:32:49 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/8sG1t6k/IMG-20231215-145933-040.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jt8Dg5Z)
(https://i.ibb.co/vkBXs9g/IMG-20231215-145943-533.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QMcD80z)
(https://i.ibb.co/YtcCYrV/IMG-20231215-150003-172.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zSXMjkt)

Hell yeah. This is a killer shape. I definitely should have trusted instinct and gone bigger.

No biggie. I realized that my 58mm dragons are now exactly 54mm. I was kinda shocked by that.
In 2023 I burned around 25- 30mm total of urethane.

That's fuckin cool to think about.

These remind me of the DTF formula wheel when I look at um.

Ditch tech formula was the formula that got away. Fuckin whole set up poof vanished.

Anyway here I go to the spot. Gonna check 97s out. I hope my imagination it's spoiled by dragons momentum.

That's hard to give up. Not many hills around here. Spit needs to match that one aspect of the new bones formula if possible.

Maintaining you're speed better was the true power of the new bones shit

Now we're heading into the 60mm plus in the spring it actually doesn't matter that much.

Wheels over 60 mm don't lose to much momentum.
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That really does look like a fun board to skate.

Those big fat wheels touch something way down deep to when I first got first skateboard in like ‘89 with big wheels like that.

Ever see the end of 2001: space odyssey when he’s turning back into a baby? I kind of feel like that

I'm really stoked. This wheels got no prob going over the horrendous crust I hit day in day out.

I definitely should have gone 56s but these are so sick

Definitely feeling older wider shapes with this formula
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 15, 2023, 09:12:10 PM
Ya, Flea. The 97s work real nice in the wider shapes. My winter wheel for outdoor motivation and indoor slip prevention.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 16, 2023, 10:25:57 AM
Ya, Flea. The 97s work real nice in the wider shapes. My winter wheel for outdoor motivation and indoor slip prevention.

Shit is so good. Fast af. Good momentum retainment. 97 is the way.

Low bounce too. I'm in heaven almost. Next time we going 60mm. Tho I'd say these are smooth and fast enough that you don't 100 need the extra mils
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lou Strux on December 16, 2023, 11:50:36 AM
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are ghetto child wheels any good?
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IMO and I think this reflects most of Slap:
Spitfire F4, Bones X series, mayyyyybe Bones STF are the most preferred/highest quality wheels.

Below that NFG had a dedicated following but they're out of business and there are only 2 major wheel manufacturers that make most brands. I dunno who makes Ghetto Child, but unless its Creative you're looking at a third tier wheel at best. No real reason to ride them over the top 3 choices.
In the case of lower tier wheels, this time tested idiom applies more than ever: You Pay For What You Get.

EDIT  Also applicable: You Forget What You Pay For.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on December 16, 2023, 12:06:49 PM
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Shit is so good. Fast af. Good momentum retainment. 97 is the way.

Low bounce too. I'm in heaven almost. Next time we going 60mm. Tho I'd say these are smooth and fast enough that you don't 100 need the extra mils
Are they x97 killers? Because these x97’s are pretty darn great (don’t slide that easily though on smooth skatepark concrete, though).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 16, 2023, 12:11:24 PM
Can confirm Lock-ins might be a slappy secret weapon. The asymmetry will drive me bonkers at some point but for now I'm really enjoying them. It might be perceived but my grinds on curbs and coping are feeling locked and loaded.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 16, 2023, 02:16:21 PM
Can confirm Lock-ins might be a slappy secret weapon. The asymmetry will drive me bonkers at some point but for now I'm really enjoying them. It might be perceived but my grinds on curbs and coping are feeling locked and loaded.

Skated some ages ago, dismissed them (I got 55s, which could have been the problem and my slappy games was poor compared to now); skating 53mm now...big deal 2mm but I'm feeling this set. Roll on is fine and lock is much more stable than classics, which always had me slipping out on shit with 52mms, even basics.

Coming off bones v1 -> spit conical -> Bones V6s - essentially a radial - I was slipping out of front krooks on the V1s, slappy back feebles on the v6s were amazing just roll in, roll out but couldn't keep it locked for long (long, long grinds), same for regular krooks. Skating spit conicals before the V6s and it's sort of a toss up - I'm not sure how much more stable I am on the lockins over the conicals - but there is slightly more hanger room - and I'd wager the conical side cut is tall enough on bigger wheels 54mm+

...if they work for BevUp, surely they can work for the rest of us?

After the V1/v6s I think I'd rather the lockins have the radial outer instead of the conical.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 16, 2023, 02:56:12 PM
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Shit is so good. Fast af. Good momentum retainment. 97 is the way.

Low bounce too. I'm in heaven almost. Next time we going 60mm. Tho I'd say these are smooth and fast enough that you don't 100 need the extra mils
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Are they x97 killers? Because these x97’s are pretty darn great (don’t slide that easily though on smooth skatepark concrete, though).

I haven't tried the x97.

I'd say if they bounce then yes. I had to kill that before it killed me. Also the moisture issue was extremely problematic. Just the slightest darker discoloration on the bricks means you might slam doing a tick tack for speed.

I can't have that fulltime. I ride 55+ with the fastest bearings I've ever had. And the signs of danger was present day one.

I was bombing out the parking garage and cutting a long fast left into scared and confused traffic. Slipping out the entire time. Like snowboarding on ice.

That's a recipe for disaster.

The small benefits of the dragon can't pull me away from spit.

The Andy Nano almost got bought but I feel like it would have exaggerated my current double sided curb issues while riding the 6.1.

I'm slapping together a Heated Wheel polarizer on the first of the month.

Hopefully the orchard sale will still be going on those decks.

I wish I saw that when I ordered my wheels. Now I just ain't got the bread b

I'm going to throw my 93s 58s on it.

I love polerizers. I would call it my first skate discipline really. I banana boarded from age 5-9. I think because of this Im really competent with the mini bloard.

So long as I don't try edging out in pool coping. That's me begging for a bad day.

Eventually I'd need some really small soft wheels tho. No slide. Like 50mm 80hds or even like the gems or whatever those new spits are called.

Those would be perfect tho not really accurate to my vision

I'd really need like a super mini version of the tablets that are natural clear.

I'm definitely getting the Peter Hewitt board because it's the shortest one.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2023, 07:37:25 PM
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Can confirm Lock-ins might be a slappy secret weapon. The asymmetry will drive me bonkers at some point but for now I'm really enjoying them. It might be perceived but my grinds on curbs and coping are feeling locked and loaded.
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Skated some ages ago, dismissed them (I got 55s, which could have been the problem and my slappy games was poor compared to now); skating 53mm now...big deal 2mm but I'm feeling this set. Roll on is fine and lock is much more stable than classics, which always had me slipping out on shit with 52mms, even basics.

Coming off bones v1 -> spit conical -> Bones V6s - essentially a radial - I was slipping out of front krooks on the V1s, slappy back feebles on the v6s were amazing just roll in, roll out but couldn't keep it locked for long (long, long grinds), same for regular krooks. Skating spit conicals before the V6s and it's sort of a toss up - I'm not sure how much more stable I am on the lockins over the conicals - but there is slightly more hanger room - and I'd wager the conical side cut is tall enough on bigger wheels 54mm+

...if they work for BevUp, surely they can work for the rest of us?

After the V1/v6s I think I'd rather the lockins have the radial outer instead of the conical.

Took them (and some 103a V3 STFs) to a rough ass spot I frequent today and fucking hell I missed the x-formula...vibration was just crazy (annoying) and I couldn't skate the 2 hours or so I usually put in as I was so put off by either set; I had the spit lockins setup as I was skating different/smoother spots over the weekend and no problems.

Actually tempted to dip back to x97s for that one spot (not naming names but most notables are running dragons or x97s at this spot).

Madness.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on December 18, 2023, 08:47:24 PM
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Can confirm Lock-ins might be a slappy secret weapon. The asymmetry will drive me bonkers at some point but for now I'm really enjoying them. It might be perceived but my grinds on curbs and coping are feeling locked and loaded.
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Skated some ages ago, dismissed them (I got 55s, which could have been the problem and my slappy games was poor compared to now); skating 53mm now...big deal 2mm but I'm feeling this set. Roll on is fine and lock is much more stable than classics, which always had me slipping out on shit with 52mms, even basics.

Coming off bones v1 -> spit conical -> Bones V6s - essentially a radial - I was slipping out of front krooks on the V1s, slappy back feebles on the v6s were amazing just roll in, roll out but couldn't keep it locked for long (long, long grinds), same for regular krooks. Skating spit conicals before the V6s and it's sort of a toss up - I'm not sure how much more stable I am on the lockins over the conicals - but there is slightly more hanger room - and I'd wager the conical side cut is tall enough on bigger wheels 54mm+

...if they work for BevUp, surely they can work for the rest of us?

After the V1/v6s I think I'd rather the lockins have the radial outer instead of the conical.
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Took them (and some 103a V3 STFs) to a rough ass spot I frequent today and fucking hell I missed the x-formula...vibration was just crazy (annoying) and I couldn't skate the 2 hours or so I usually put in as I was so put off by either set; I had the spit lockins setup as I was skating different/smoother spots over the weekend and no problems.

Actually tempted to dip back to x97s for that one spot (not naming names but most notables are running dragons or x97s at this spot).

Madness.
Damn Bones giving us such a perfect wheel. What on earth on we going to tinker with after finding the perfect setup!

I wonder if they’ll release the rest of the V shapes in X.

Have fun
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on December 18, 2023, 11:23:14 PM
tried dyeing a set of radial fulls. was hoping for a lighter shade of purple but mightve put too much dye for too long. fuckkit ended up being the same colour as my car lol

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on December 19, 2023, 04:07:41 AM
^Looks amazing though. I'd buy wheels like that
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on December 19, 2023, 07:57:31 AM
tried dyeing a set of radial fulls. was hoping for a lighter shade of purple but mightve put too much dye for too long. fuckkit ended up being the same colour as my car lol

(https://i.imgur.com/eX3kjEk.jpg)

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car looks too sick
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 19, 2023, 09:22:59 AM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on December 20, 2023, 03:02:36 PM
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tried dyeing a set of radial fulls. was hoping for a lighter shade of purple but mightve put too much dye for too long. fuckkit ended up being the same colour as my car lol

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car looks too sick

Hahaha bonkers, that is exactly the same colour as your car. I don't think they necessarily look bad?! Did you dye with IDye Poly? I've died a bunch of wheels with different dyes, that stuff is the best I've found. The colour will fade a touch IME. A dash of grey will darken tone as well.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on December 21, 2023, 12:00:47 PM
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tried dyeing a set of radial fulls. was hoping for a lighter shade of purple but mightve put too much dye for too long. fuckkit ended up being the same colour as my car lol

(https://i.imgur.com/eX3kjEk.jpg)

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car looks too sick

thanks dawg!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DERBY on December 21, 2023, 12:02:34 PM
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tried dyeing a set of radial fulls. was hoping for a lighter shade of purple but mightve put too much dye for too long. fuckkit ended up being the same colour as my car lol

(https://i.imgur.com/eX3kjEk.jpg)

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car looks too sick
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Hahaha bonkers, that is exactly the same colour as your car. I don't think they necessarily look bad?! Did you dye with IDye Poly? I've died a bunch of wheels with different dyes, that stuff is the best I've found. The colour will fade a touch IME. A dash of grey will darken tone as well.

thanks for the looks! i havent heard of idye before and i’ll have a look into the grey sometime when it fades. it was royal purple rit dyemore
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 21, 2023, 05:35:48 PM
tried dyeing a set of radial fulls. was hoping for a lighter shade of purple but mightve put too much dye for too long. fuckkit ended up being the same colour as my car lol

(https://i.imgur.com/eX3kjEk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tU1fmOH.jpg)

Wow!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on December 21, 2023, 09:39:51 PM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes

Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 22, 2023, 12:52:43 AM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
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Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...


Some others who ride the other big old skool wheels upwards of 61+ usually only use 1/8" to 1/4" and they have quite loose trucks, so it wouldn't be too bad.

On other complete old school setups, they have 1/2" risers as standard on similar size wheels and they work really well, so it depends on how your trucks are and how much you need to turn.

Making wheel wells is often a better trade off than adding too much height for risers, if you are so inclined.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on December 22, 2023, 12:58:05 AM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
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Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...
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Some others who ride the other big old skool wheels upwards of 61+ usually only use 1/8" to 1/4" and they have quite loose trucks, so it wouldn't be too bad.

On other complete old school setups, they have 1/2" risers as standard on similar size wheels and they work really well, so it depends on how your trucks are and how much you need to turn.

Making wheel wells is often a better trade off than adding too much height for risers, if you are so inclined.

Ok. I have a set of 1/8 risers and try to stick with them for now. Too much height would make it feel like riding a monster truck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: the_dangery_bois on December 22, 2023, 04:28:54 AM
I had a set of oj thunder juice which are 70ish mm, and used 1/2” riser and didn’t get too much wheel bite.  I don’t worry too much with hard wheels at a park, but I’d rather be safe than sorry with soft wheels going fast.

 I heard that the Paris (basically the main longboard brand) street truck has big clearance on their own. Apparently, they are made in the same factory where af1s are made. A lot of the longboard guys can use them with lower risers.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: HHH on December 22, 2023, 09:30:53 AM
Skating some x99 wide at the moment. They seem to be rolling really well on rougher ground, but not sure if that's because they are 54mm (I'm used to a bit smaller). They slide verry good but feel like softer wheels, they don't make any noise on smooth concrete.

What wheel would you suggest on cobblestone? I'm my city it's mainly cobble stone pavement. So far I think hard and wide such as 101 f4 wide has worked the best. Maybe because its less bouncy due to hardness and wider? Still haven't cracked it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on December 22, 2023, 09:40:10 AM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
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Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...

Personally I'm not planning on it.

Riding those 59 Radial Fulls on forged 144s no risers with blue 92a bushings and wheelbite isn't an issue for me so far. Will try cast plates before risers with the 66s.

This isn't my main setup, mostly for pushing around town looking for spots and long distance pushing. I do tricks on this board, but it's not my main at all.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on December 22, 2023, 10:10:18 AM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
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Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...
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Personally I'm not planning on it.

Riding those 59 Radial Fulls on forged 144s no risers with blue 92a bushings and wheelbite isn't an issue for me so far. Will try cast plates before risers with the 66s.

This isn't my main setup, mostly for pushing around town looking for spots and long distance pushing. I do tricks on this board, but it's not my main at all.

Sounds good. I got the big wheels and put them on my Ace Classics with hard bushings + 1/8 risers. So far, feels nice but this will be my cruiser mostly.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on December 22, 2023, 05:04:38 PM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
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Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...
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Personally I'm not planning on it.

Riding those 59 Radial Fulls on forged 144s no risers with blue 92a bushings and wheelbite isn't an issue for me so far. Will try cast plates before risers with the 66s.

This isn't my main setup, mostly for pushing around town looking for spots and long distance pushing. I do tricks on this board, but it's not my main at all.

the 60s, classic shape, look fun as hell.

also, skating a board for distance is such a good time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 22, 2023, 07:49:53 PM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
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Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...

Definitely.

I already bought long ass purple tagged Shorty's for when I get um.

Wholeeeeshit!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 22, 2023, 08:33:14 PM
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Definitely grabbing those 66s after comparing specs to my 59 Radial Fulls.

Those huge Classics are going to wear in so good. Hearteyes
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Would you need to stack risers with wheels over 60mm? I've been eyeing some 64mm Dragons for my cruiser but I keep thinking is it too much...
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Personally I'm not planning on it.

Riding those 59 Radial Fulls on forged 144s no risers with blue 92a bushings and wheelbite isn't an issue for me so far. Will try cast plates before risers with the 66s.

This isn't my main setup, mostly for pushing around town looking for spots and long distance pushing. I do tricks on this board, but it's not my main at all.
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the 60s, classic shape, look fun as hell.

also, skating a board for distance is such a good time.

That's basically all I did for like 12 years. it was so fun.

One day my new roommate said "blah blah blah can you even get onto a barrier?!?!?

That's the moment I was like BACK on tricks.

I was fuckin livid and probably zooted af.
I was like wtf. I best fuckin skater you've ever spoken too DOG!
And I fuckin killed that spot to the best of my ability after my ACL "heeled" first time I went.
Sam invited me to a cool little barrier party that Tim threw. Super fun time. I miss living in the city desperate.

I'm in Boston for band practice tomorrow!!! I'm going to stay after and bomb around a while. Really test this new Duro.

Crosstown Mash from Dorchester to China Town.

Then I wanna go up the commons and look at the bomb the diagonal hell pathway.
Has these two curbs being unearthed in the middle you gotta mash through when you're crossing other paths. I found it by accident two years ago at Freedom Rally or whatever it's called now.

It's pretty fuckin intense.
I was showing off for my friends. Thought is was a normal pathway. Just diagonal.

Yo baby girl and the nerd they brought with us for some reason.
Yo watch my old ass break the sound barrier and show you I'm a fuckin SHAMAN not some lame ass hunter and definitely not a narc ass gather.

Wheeeee! Instant regret because I was going far far too fast to put a foot down on brand new 58mm ogs and these insanely crusted cracked out holes around the perimeter unsuspected granite train tracks I got to hit at an angle are coming in hot.

And this fuckin GI Joe looking mother fucker with a flat top and a gorilla build in Air Jesus' is mean mugging my ass like immediately after the curbs.

He's all red in the face holding his back regreting parking up hill in this beautiful weather.
He's refused to step 6 inches to the right into to the grass until I was shitting my pants going over the things at and right on him.

I thought he was just going tuck shoulder and brace for impact but... he blinked.

Probably cuz I was screaming like the Black PewDiePie on ig about to get cross checked by a Prius. And there was like 10000 fuckin people watching.

Probably a cop looking for a kill. But thought way too many eyes. Or they too shit their pants.

Took 5 years off my life. But it was definitely the best thing to happen that year besides getting my apartment.

I'm probably just going to bomb Bowdoin Street head back home.

I think Copley is gone  :-\

Those blocks better end up some place beautiful.


These wheels fuckin built for that shit. I'm going to do it again this year maybe. Probably take a 67 to get over two more years of rain running down that thing.

I'm super fuckin lucky I had those 58mm wheels.

Oh yeah with 66.6mm wheels
I feel like two or three Green 3 Ply risers would do it.


Maybe two Venture style and one Universal in the middle. I think universal is yellow. That'd be sick af.
That with a Green Loose trucks kit and My 6.1s. maybe throw a Green Bait and Tackle bottom bushing on just for safety sake.

Boom might just be the formula for folding space and pulling my ass into the future so can live 200 years.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 22, 2023, 09:09:46 PM
Skatebloarding is the only thing that gives me a measure of good self-esteem I think.

Graffiti Ill hate myself till the end. Music I need 10 more instruments under my belt yesterday. I'm a fuckin slob.
Skatebloarding tho.
Just rolling around makes me feel like I invented the entire universe and I got it by the kiwi. I don't care what anyone has to say against it.
It's the truth. It's power
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Sombrero on December 23, 2023, 01:31:04 AM
For anything over 64mm I like the OJ Juice Cubes risers. It's 3/8" and nary a wheelbite encountered.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on December 23, 2023, 11:37:23 AM
Uncle Flea I love your enthusiasm ! i dont speak english as a main langage so i never know really wether you're drunk or playing with us but you're fun to read.
over 1/4 pads you have totally given up even the idea of doing ollies and pop, the thing is one meter above the ground and will stay levitating. for 66 i would still ride 1/4 and not go over.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DarkPools on December 23, 2023, 12:19:29 PM
tried dyeing a set of radial fulls. was hoping for a lighter shade of purple but mightve put too much dye for too long. fuckkit ended up being the same colour as my car lol

(https://i.imgur.com/eX3kjEk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tU1fmOH.jpg)
Gnarring for this effort 👌🏻
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on December 25, 2023, 08:28:32 AM
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Just setup some 59mm Radial Fulls. Not as ridiculous looking as I expected. Really excited to ride em a bit and see how they go.

Won't be on main setup, mostly for spot exploration & commuting to work.
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Hell yeah.

Big wheels are the best. I love how crooks feel above 54mm. It seems like I never miss the lock in. I can smack really rounded over shit as hard as I wanna.

Lil wheels I like for jumping down shit with short runways.
I feel like I hit max velocity quicker with lil wheels.

I really hope the Funk wheel's fast.
I'm really addicted to dragons. It's because of how long your speed is held post push.

It makes it really easy to play guitar and skate. I try to do that every day that's warm enough.

No trick in the world can match writing a good song while carving.

Carving is my favorite shit on earth rn.

Flea on surf skate.
 
I’d probably love a surf skate. For realz, tho - carving is it. All. Everything. Sliding is for chumps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mulldrifter on December 25, 2023, 08:53:22 AM
i totally love my radial full 60mm 97a, they are huge but there is no way you skid out of nowhere even in the full rain they do not lose traction. feel like you go flying even on bad terrains this is way better than expected. first time i ride a f4 outside of 99a, i dont regret.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on December 31, 2023, 02:48:43 AM
I hate lock in fulls
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 02, 2024, 12:21:10 AM
Anybody tried Dial Tone? How are they comparing to the F4 standard?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 02, 2024, 12:56:52 PM
Anybody tried Dial Tone? How are they comparing to the F4 standard?


They are...  different.


Not to say anything bad about any other wheel, but really, if you have had the joy of Spitfire Formula Four or Bones whatever formula wheels, then nothing else really compares or is on the same level.

I have some, they roll, they are quite ok to skate, etc.

That's about it.


There are so many brands, smaller or otherwise, who all seem to get their urethane from Creative or similar manufacturers so you get a fairly even consistency of wheel, but they are still not up there like Spitfire / Bones.

Choice is yours to try them / see for yourself.




Are dialtones threaded? Anyone who has ridden them, how do they feel like compared to something like spitfire classics (non f4), and are the ones called ”round cut” something like spitfire radial shape?



They are treaded. can’t really give an opinion in regards to non f4 spits as I haven’t ridden those in a long time.  Between the 3 cuts of dial tone, round, standard, and conical, the round does seem to have more of an edge than the standard which is closer the spit classic shape (for whatever reason), but still more round than the radial shape.



Dialtones are poured at Creative so they are the same as Satori, Speedlab, Sml (99a only), and a bunch of other brands. The good news is that the 99a formula that creative does feel very similar to the classic Spitfire formula, probably as close as anything else is going to get. So if that is your thing you should be good to go.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 02, 2024, 04:59:27 PM
Anybody tried Dial Tone? How are they comparing to the F4 standard?

Pretty standard Creative urethane, if you're already riding F4 or Bones then there is no reason to switch over. Not as fast, not as grippy, just OK.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on January 02, 2024, 06:49:41 PM
so i never got around to ordering any of the newest loophole wheel drop yet, anyone give them a shot yet and have good/bad words?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on January 03, 2024, 05:47:53 AM
so i never got around to ordering any of the newest loophole wheel drop yet, anyone give them a shot yet and have good/bad words?

Think they are using HLC, haven’t gotten a chance to get them, may grab a pair for a cruiser but right now I’m on a F4 kick so I’ll stick to those
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 03, 2024, 06:17:19 AM
I hate lock in fulls

(https://i.imgflip.com/8b5zm2.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on January 03, 2024, 07:27:26 AM
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I hate lock in fulls
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(https://i.imgflip.com/8b5zm2.jpg)

LOL
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 03, 2024, 08:54:15 AM
I was a lock in sceptic but they perform as advertised. Been locking into some long 50 50s on curbs and coping.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 03, 2024, 09:18:23 AM
I was a lock in sceptic but they perform as advertised. Been locking into some long 50 50s on curbs and coping.

Lock-ins - yes
Lock-ins Full - no

@TwisT image clearly explains this
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 03, 2024, 09:21:27 AM
Yes, it did.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Lou Strux on January 03, 2024, 08:27:22 PM
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I hate lock in fulls
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(https://i.imgflip.com/8b5zm2.jpg)
Well, I’m sold.
Just picked up a set of Lock-In Fulls in a convenient 55mm/99du format so I can ascertain for myself what has got your panties all in a twist.
I should probably disclose that I am a big fan of having my panties thoroughly twisted, BTW, so naturally I was curious.
Thanks for the “recommendation.”
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 03, 2024, 08:30:53 PM
Maybe the idea of an asymmetrical wheel in general throws a lot of people off, especially when its not thaaat different on either side, might as well just get a conical or something.

I think lock in fulls are just too clunky. When you have a wheel thaaat wide, a more rounded edge probably helps a lot with making it feel more nimble. I have a friend who gets spits, likes wide wheels, loved the radial fulls but said the lock in fulls were "more effort for no reason".

That being said I skated my set of lock in fulls for a good few months and it didn't majorly hinder me in any way, rolling felt nice and they definitely lock in.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 03, 2024, 11:08:46 PM
They sure feel like a softer wheel. Can't wait to get rid of them.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: doyle on January 04, 2024, 04:30:28 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 04, 2024, 08:11:31 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.

If you don't want to lug around two setups/extra wheels, dragons are the right [only] choice.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on January 04, 2024, 11:47:20 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.

They are generally quiet, depending on the terrain of course. On smooth surfaces they are pretty much dead silent. Some noise on rougher ground, but nothing like normal hard wheels. I'd say go with Dragons.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: doyle on January 05, 2024, 08:54:10 AM
Thank you both! Sounds like I'll be tracking down a set soon.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on January 05, 2024, 04:04:07 PM
Set up some 58mm X99 V5s on my big egg to handle bowl/parking lot/rough skatepark duties. Fun first sesh on them - they still chirp and slide but just sound a little more muted and absorb some of the microbumps.

Nothing drastic or game changing but that’s not what I was looking for with these. No noticeable speed loss, actually felt faster in the old bowl but that may have been the fresh bearings.

Overall very happy with my first non-F4 wheel in 5+ years.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on January 06, 2024, 09:54:52 AM
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Think they are using HLC, haven’t gotten a chance to get them, may grab a pair for a cruiser but right now I’m on a F4 kick so I’ll stick to those

yeah i'm in the same boat, but another drop hit their shop so maybe it's a sign i should give it a try. will report back if i pull the trigger this time
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on January 06, 2024, 06:24:28 PM
Did some immediate testing between x99 and x97’s on power sliding the wheels on smooth skatepark ground, and popping some Ollies on flat:

- x97 is grippier and more difficult to get a chirp, than x99 (duh), but the x99’s were still kind of grippy… just a bit less so.
- x97’s have noticeable less vibration in the feet after landing ollies, than the x99.

So… if you are not the elderly, and don’t have constant back pain and arch pain… get the x99 over the x97 for more harder wheel sliding good fun… and when you wanna go skate the crunchy, it will still do a great job at it keeping speed up and be less rattly than those “other” wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: DefunktdSkateboards on January 06, 2024, 06:46:54 PM
Interested to hear what other people are riding other than Spits or Bones. Did a search and was surprised there wasn't a thread for other wheel manus. There is a great selection of smaller brands... Autobahn, OJ, Broadcast, Paradise, Pusher, SML, PFC, Type S, etc. Definitely interested to hear what people are skating.

Currently on these on these SML Herrington 53 Wides and I love them. They were a little slick for my tastes at first but after a few sessions they're perfect. For anyone that prefers wider wheels they are great:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/SML_herrington_zps8e9c79be.jpg)

Just finished up on OJ Dela 53. Wasn't a big fan of them on first ride, but gave them a revisit and I was pretty psyched:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/DELAwheels1_zps51bc2ab2.jpg)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/DELAwheels2_zps8dcd1c42.jpg)

I have these up next, Satori Guru 54:

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/satori_guru_zps523a8dcd.jpg)


Speedlabs are amazing 😍


(https://i.ibb.co/XSCDLnh/IMG-20231228-151813.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XSCDLnh)(https://i.ibb.co/ZHbXJ9L/IMG-20231228-151805.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZHbXJ9L)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 06, 2024, 09:14:38 PM
Uncle Flea I love your enthusiasm ! i dont speak english as a main langage so i never know really wether you're drunk or playing with us but you're fun to read.
over 1/4 pads you have totally given up even the idea of doing ollies and pop, the thing is one meter above the ground and will stay levitating. for 66 i would still ride 1/4 and not go over.

I drink bongs most. A lot of bats. Sometimes I'll pill. But only if I can see the bottle. It's been a while. I don't fux with street nothing. Unless I can see the bottle. Then hit me off.

I trip but not rn. I need to be living better to trip. My mind wants to revisit stuff. I want to meditate. Not happening rn.

Soon when mushrooms are sold in stores here I'm gonna guru trip tour guide tourist.

I got the power.

I Mai Taied last gig. I only drink when I play shows really. I'm kinda proud of that too. Mai Tais made me sick af.

My blood sugar is up. No drinks anymore. Not even at shows.

Mostly I'm just being me lol. I get Ill if you got. I don't chase nothing but grass tho in 2024.


When those 66.6 wheels hit my kit it's a wrap yo. I'm gonna stack a couple 3plys I'll be fine. If I do 3 is for the colour combo. Two is good.

I'm gonna get some hollows if possible a 5.6 and im getting all three wheel sizes if I can. No way it's going to stay this good for long.

The 62 is an everyday wheel
the 60 is for the shelf because I can get that when ever.

and the 66.6 is for mashing through Salem across the bricks and speed checking mean ass tourist in October. Mashing the diy which is so nice rn. Mad obstacles. I gotta go after this stupid snow is gone.

There's a real bowl close by too. Metal coping and insanity transitions though. Going FS through the corner hurts my legs. It's a bummer. If it was pool coping I'd just grind through the corner for safety sake

Day one nice comfy pop isn't as important as like invisible back t on two wheels over the sewer cap and like wallies. Fakie to fakie sliders in traffic.

Maybe I'll figure out the gleaming the cube boomerang 90 degree 4 wheeler with the power I receive from this product....

I'm soooostoked on my 54mm radial full rn. Feeling the 97a formula. It's fuckin fast. Slides enough for me. Great control. I fuckin got worked in a damp garage a few days ago tho. Swellbowed af. Totally forgot where I was I was having so much fun.

I'm ok with missing out on the og 58 and 60 . .. that ain't happening with the Beat Downs lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manuduncan on January 10, 2024, 09:17:58 AM
just want to chime in with a testimonial if there's anyone else on the fence and in their mid 30s it might help you out

skated formula 4 99 duros for forever, when the hype around the bones x 97 came around i got some and really liked them and have been on those since.

while cleaning i found some unskated spitfires and on a whim decided to go back to those, skated street, and the next day my feet/ankles/lower back were absolutely killing me. put the bones x 97 back on and the difference is night and day

i never really thought the difference between 99 and 97 duro would be noticeable at all but it is. also you can skate longer because the wheels are noticeably faster, so you push less

everyone puts graphics in anyway so just get em your lower body will thank you
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Meathook on January 10, 2024, 10:27:18 AM
just want to chime in with a testimonial if there's anyone else on the fence and in their mid 30s it might help you out

skated formula 4 99 duros for forever, when the hype around the bones x 97 came around i got some and really liked them and have been on those since.

while cleaning i found some unskated spitfires and on a whim decided to go back to those, skated street, and the next day my feet/ankles/lower back were absolutely killing me. put the bones x 97 back on and the difference is night and day

i never really thought the difference between 99 and 97 duro would be noticeable at all but it is. also you can skate longer because the wheels are noticeably faster, so you push less

everyone puts graphics in anyway so just get em your lower body will thank you

Couldn’t agree more.  I hated bones for so long since the STF were the worst feeling wheels to me back when.  Skated regular spitfires for years before FF came out and was on that 2013-2023.  It’s been said but the x formula is real winner and I wouldn’t be surprised if many spitf riders are low key riding these.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: goodatmeth on January 10, 2024, 10:36:52 AM
I skated F4 99a in a wooden miniramp today, instead of X99 or X97 which I usually use there and I cannot believe/understand how/why people (me included) have ever done that. It feels like absolute shit. It's just making skating much harder for no reason. Same thing in the indoor park. Was so glad I had some X97 in my backpack.

i never really thought the difference between 99 and 97 duro would be noticeable at all but it is.

I don't think F4 99a are actually 99a. 99a is meaningless anyway because the A scale is only accurate up to 90 or something like that? I wish somebody would actually measure all these wheels with a durometer. Preferably in the B scale so the numbers actually mean something.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 10, 2024, 07:17:12 PM
just want to chime in with a testimonial if there's anyone else on the fence and in their mid 30s it might help you out

skated formula 4 99 duros for forever, when the hype around the bones x 97 came around i got some and really liked them and have been on those since.

while cleaning i found some unskated spitfires and on a whim decided to go back to those, skated street, and the next day my feet/ankles/lower back were absolutely killing me. put the bones x 97 back on and the difference is night and day

i never really thought the difference between 99 and 97 duro would be noticeable at all but it is. also you can skate longer because the wheels are noticeably faster, so you push less

everyone puts graphics in anyway so just get em your lower body will thank you


F4 99/97 vs X-form 99/97 is apples and oranges - it's more about the formula than it is durometer...each camps 97/99s skate totally differently than each other.  I was riding a few setups over the weekend for some testing/madness one had conical 99a (black thane), another with ricta 101a, another with x97 and ANOTHER with x99s (which I swapped between white v1s and black v6s, that mad).

First, I was surprised how not chattery the 101 rictas were, I liked how they felt with forged plates. Weird. I skated those first / for a while to sort of set my body and expectations up for the softer wheels. I really like how hard they were, but they don't slide as well as stfs or f4s.

I've been on x97/99a for so long I am super used to them / they were fine. I'm finding that the well seasoned x97s slide much better than the x99s on flat ground (powerslides and reverts and especially on super chuck terrain they just glide), but the x99s perform better on slidey/grindy tricks or smoother terrain - today I went to a rough ass spot with 54mm x97s and those fuckers broke free while pushing to get speed (like pushing too fast and you get front foot speed wobble), I had so much weight front foot that the back was too light and just vibrated free).

The 99a spits...I don't know if the wheels are just 'beat' (or because I came straight off the rictas) but they felt like total shit...soft and slow, which was weird as I had put these on weeks ago after being on x99s for a while and they felt really hard...took them off and put on some semi-fresh white spit 99a lockins and it was night and day, they felt like 101s (and also heavy).

As for saving the knees, yeah man, 97s, even x99s...even the black x99s, which feel harder to me than the whites, will have you skating longer/with less fatigue/soreness the next day.

Just choose the right wheel for the job...but it's safe to say you can get away with x97/99s anywhere you are skating any 99a, and definitely places you wouldn't want to touch with other brands 99a.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 10, 2024, 09:29:44 PM
All those posts make me want to setup my X99 now and is 6:29 am
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 13, 2024, 09:51:19 AM
All those posts make me want to setup my X99 now and is 6:29 am
(https://i.imgur.com/opYWeDX.jpg)
🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 13, 2024, 10:00:55 AM
lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 13, 2024, 10:02:02 AM
lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
Tomorrow I'll report boss 🫡
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on January 13, 2024, 10:35:36 AM
lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls

The slide feels stickier than f4 99a, but still slide well. Grinds and pinch feel (at least to me) somewhat similar to classic shape spitfires. On crusty ground they’re smoother than f4 99a and in terms of speed maybe a bit slower on smooth surfaces. Very good wheels imo.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: manuduncan on January 13, 2024, 10:35:49 AM
oh sick! i've only skated the xformula 97s, im curious how the 99s are now though

in my head i might be able to pinch better on 99s but i'm sure that's just an excuse and i should be able to do them fine

but i find the x97 to just be so much faster than spitfires and 99s in general which i love
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 13, 2024, 12:05:50 PM
lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls

While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on January 13, 2024, 03:23:07 PM
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
Please remove that photo. My fragile little mind cannot process its glory, and I fear I may go mad with infatuation.

Chop, chop. Let’s not have such beautiful things in the thread now here. Come on now. Off with it.

 ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 13, 2024, 10:45:36 PM
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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Please remove that photo. My fragile little mind cannot process its glory, and I fear I may go mad with infatuation.

Chop, chop. Let’s not have such beautiful things in the thread now here. Come on now. Off with it.

 ;D


From a distance those Bones wheels remind me of something from the past, maybe Blockhead wheels or something else.

I had seen the image up close as per other people with show and tell, but I had to look twice and get a zoom in then realised they were the same wheels.


Funny thing I was at a family thing today with some boards in the car, just a normal bitumen road and had a push up and down.

The Spitifre 97s that I usually skate only on smooth parks sure did feel slow on the road, whereas they felt super good on the new skateparks I go to.

Other boards with cruiser wheels 90 duro or less were the usual fun push up and down with the kids, even the usual Formula Four 99s which I know are fast and noisy, felt better than the 97s.

Just an observation though.  Hopefully helped to get your mind off those other ones, or make you more at ease getting some.

Not a worry either way.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on January 14, 2024, 01:21:34 AM
A homie of mine stepped on my board at our local indoor a couple of days ago. He was hella stoked on how my X99's felt for him instantly. He's riding OJ 101s at the moment and while he rips 10 times better than me, he admits that the 101's tend to be too slide-y especially for the plywood surfaces at the park.

I don't know, feels like it's bordering on too much how the X99 gets praise on this thread and how I keep repeating myself about them here, but honestly, they pretty much single-handedly cured my winter indoor park wheel madness.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 14, 2024, 05:31:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gcAtAJq.jpg)
Was freezing cold today but I manage to try the wheels. Sure in a perfect ground park they don't shine but still they feel really good. They keep speed for longer and once broken in they slide nicely.
Then I went to some less nice ground IE street and sire they outperform F4 99 imo. They absorb vibration and ground imperfections really nicely while still being be to power slide/revet out of tricks.
Pretty happy with them finally there's a F4 alternative. For me the best is to have 2 setups since heven tho I think I like X99 better I'm still super used to the F4 slideability and I love it.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 14, 2024, 09:22:24 PM
am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 14, 2024, 09:24:43 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
[close]

While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)

will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jaewon on January 15, 2024, 07:29:35 AM
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[close]

While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)

Weird take on a forum about gear talk with tons of threads having 100+pages of people asking/sharing their experiences. Someone just doesn't want to blow 40 bucks on something they won't like, aren't as they expected, or just not hyped on. They want different perspectives from people who skate differently. Shocker.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2024, 10:09:04 AM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
[close]

While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
[close]

will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)

Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho

No

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 15, 2024, 11:30:03 AM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
[close]

While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
[close]

will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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No

Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JM on January 15, 2024, 02:02:07 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
[close]

While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
[close]

will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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No
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Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?
I’m jealous of both of you. Wish I had those numbers.  I can’t skate much more than once or twice a week due to body pain and family life. Shit even hurts just pushing around for a while :(

Get it while it’s good though 8)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2024, 03:56:16 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?

Today, actually, it's skinny and rusty as fuck (like tetanus rusty), also pretty low (it's the wheelchair safety rail I guess for the ramp, get's cut off on the left).

(https://i.ibb.co/7tF526B/IMG-5737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tF526B)

If you are regular skating rails with smooth terrain and have no need for something to eat up rough terrain, these are not what you are looking for...it's been said countless times, these are not the second coming of christ in wheel form; unless you are skating shitty surfaces just stick to our beloved spit 99s/101s. To that end, FWIW, I regularly switch between x97s (one specific spot), x99s most everything, spit 99s (two spots that I don't need what x-formula does).

For someone that says they're fucking around, you sure can't recognize it when it's directed at you huh? But for real, 6 months and you haven't dipped on them? What's the hold up? Cash flow? If so, I will welfare you a fucking used set if of either 93 drags (I'll never skate them again), x97s (prefer the x99s) or x99s (v1s slip out of front krooks on me) if you are stateside. DM me you kook.

Good for you getting out there other than slappies (noice try/bad assumption), everyone should be.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on January 15, 2024, 04:09:45 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?
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Today, actually, it's skinny and rusty as fuck (like tetanus rusty), also pretty low (it's the wheelchair safety rail I guess for the ramp, get's cut off on the left).

(https://i.ibb.co/7tF526B/IMG-5737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tF526B)

For someone that says they're fucking around, you sure can't recognize it when it's directed at you huh? But for real, 6 months and you haven't dipped on them? What's the hold up? Cash flow? If so, I will send you a fucking used set if of either 93 drags (I'll never skate them again), x97s (prefer the x99s) or x99s (v1s slip out of front krooks on me) if you are stateside. DM me you kook.

Good for you getting out there other than slappies, everyone should be.

Zen do you live in Austin?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2024, 04:26:01 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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No
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Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?
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Today, actually, it's skinny and rusty as fuck (like tetanus rusty), also pretty low (it's the wheelchair safety rail I guess for the ramp, get's cut off on the left).

(https://i.ibb.co/7tF526B/IMG-5737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tF526B)

For someone that says they're fucking around, you sure can't recognize it when it's directed at you huh? But for real, 6 months and you haven't dipped on them? What's the hold up? Cash flow? If so, I will send you a fucking used set if of either 93 drags (I'll never skate them again), x97s (prefer the x99s) or x99s (v1s slip out of front krooks on me) if you are stateside. DM me you kook.

Good for you getting out there other than slappies, everyone should be.
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Zen do you live in Austin?

I wish I was still living there ,in LA now.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 15, 2024, 07:13:12 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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No
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Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?
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Today, actually, it's skinny and rusty as fuck (like tetanus rusty), also pretty low (it's the wheelchair safety rail I guess for the ramp, get's cut off on the left).

(https://i.ibb.co/7tF526B/IMG-5737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tF526B)

If you are regular skating rails with smooth terrain and have no need for something to eat up rough terrain, these are not what you are looking for...it's been said countless times, these are not the second coming of christ in wheel form; unless you are skating shitty surfaces just stick to our beloved spit 99s/101s. To that end, FWIW, I regularly switch between x97s (one specific spot), x99s most everything, spit 99s (two spots that I don't need what x-formula does).

For someone that says they're fucking around, you sure can't recognize it when it's directed at you huh? But for real, 6 months and you haven't dipped on them? What's the hold up? Cash flow? If so, I will welfare you a fucking used set if of either 93 drags (I'll never skate them again), x97s (prefer the x99s) or x99s (v1s slip out of front krooks on me) if you are stateside. DM me you kook.

Good for you getting out there other than slappies (noice try/bad assumption), everyone should be.

Damnnnnn whats up with the roid rage, why are you this mad lol. Also no need to accuse/shame somebody probably a decade or two younger than you for being poor in this economy lol sheesh

Though we can compare w2s if you really want, might as well do education, skateboarding skill, dick length/girth/possible curvature etc etc while we're at it, just lmk bro

I just dont wanna buy something and not skate it to the bone like I do with all my gear, tryna have less stuff and not ditch lightly used gear into a massive closet of shit

Im not like you in that I dont like to get new gear, proclaim it to be the best, then turn around and ride something different in the next week. Just curious about multitude of long-term reviews from a range of people, half the fun of reading reviews is just curiosity about how others feel about things. I'll watch/read reviews on stuff I've skated all the time. Asking about wheels in the wheel thread is not a crime lmao
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2024, 08:52:16 PM
Man and I thought Lebowski was easy to troll...nice blog post. TL;DR

Wheel offer rescinded (I was dead serious, all on my dime).

I've been almost religiously touting x99s since I stepped on them my dude, even over x97s; They're amazing and you're missing out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on January 15, 2024, 09:07:54 PM
When ur definition of trolling is calling somebody poor, a kook, posting a pic of a spot u "skated" as proof you can grind a round rail, then offering to flow them product  ;D

maybe i am missing out, perhaps ill find out one of these days myself when the madness takes over
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on January 16, 2024, 01:59:34 AM
To keep it short ime if you skate plazas F4 99 are the best, if you skate normal streets X99 is the way too go. If you want only to choose one I'd go probably with X99 since they seem to be gentle with your body in the case you're in "that age"range.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: skatebruh on January 16, 2024, 06:41:37 PM
V6 is a pretty cool shape. Reminds me of a Spitfire Radial.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: m477 on January 16, 2024, 08:59:28 PM
Longtime STF rider here. I like em because they feel the fastest, have a very consistent breaking point to powerslide/blunt slide/bark and they last a long time.

When the 101 F4 came out I went through about 5 sets but switched back to Bones. The F4 is a good wheel but felt slower, wore down quickly and broke loose too quickly for my taste. I never tried the F4 99 for fear of them feeling even slower.

Should I try the x99? Will they feel like slow mush compared to the STF? I’m not too concerned with how they slide on ledges as I can just push harder or be sure to use wax.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on January 16, 2024, 10:55:07 PM
V6 is a pretty cool shape. Reminds me of a Spitfire Radial.

I love my V6 Dragons. Not too chunky even for techier stuff. I think they're more coned shaped than radials but quite similar.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on January 17, 2024, 08:47:06 AM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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No
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Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?
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Today, actually, it's skinny and rusty as fuck (like tetanus rusty), also pretty low (it's the wheelchair safety rail I guess for the ramp, get's cut off on the left).

(https://i.ibb.co/7tF526B/IMG-5737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tF526B)

For someone that says they're fucking around, you sure can't recognize it when it's directed at you huh? But for real, 6 months and you haven't dipped on them? What's the hold up? Cash flow? If so, I will send you a fucking used set if of either 93 drags (I'll never skate them again), x97s (prefer the x99s) or x99s (v1s slip out of front krooks on me) if you are stateside. DM me you kook.

Good for you getting out there other than slappies, everyone should be.
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Zen do you live in Austin?
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I wish I was still living there ,in LA now.

Damn, I was gonna try and get the pin for that spot lol
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2024, 06:37:20 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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will cop when you stay on a set of a trucks for more than 30 days  8)
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Couldn't care less what parameters you set for yourself, but you do you. My madness has me out skating 5+ days a week, how about you?

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am i gonna have to wax a ledge or rail more than i do when skating f4s tho
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No
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Damn dude, I was just a fuckin around. Bro got so worked up because I asked about some wheels in the wheels thread.

To answer your questions. 3-4 times a week probably, doin more than just slappies too. You tryna turn this into a who skates harder competition?

And I know how you feel about these already from your 1000 posts, so I wasn't asking you about waxing obstacles, whens the last time you did a pinched grind on a metal round bar?
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Today, actually, it's skinny and rusty as fuck (like tetanus rusty), also pretty low (it's the wheelchair safety rail I guess for the ramp, get's cut off on the left).

(https://i.ibb.co/7tF526B/IMG-5737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7tF526B)

For someone that says they're fucking around, you sure can't recognize it when it's directed at you huh? But for real, 6 months and you haven't dipped on them? What's the hold up? Cash flow? If so, I will send you a fucking used set if of either 93 drags (I'll never skate them again), x97s (prefer the x99s) or x99s (v1s slip out of front krooks on me) if you are stateside. DM me you kook.

Good for you getting out there other than slappies, everyone should be.
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Zen do you live in Austin?
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I wish I was still living there ,in LA now.
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Damn, I was gonna try and get the pin for that spot lol

It's not the 'best' spot out here, BUT, it's super low key/out of site as it's tucked away and I've not seen anyone here, ever; it's also super lit at night (the above shot was 10pm), big ass flat area with decent ground, can go either x99 or 99a spits. There's also a bank to wall right out front that's hard to hit with a dumb outcropped ledge around head height.

Started working the ledge with a brick and working the rust off that rail (that yes I skate), it's just super low from the 'ramp' side; working on front smiths from the flat side - it's super thin not some classy round rail at your local so it's tricky to skate.

More shit from that same lot:

(https://i.ibb.co/mbBqBzS/IMG-5744.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mbBqBzS)(https://i.ibb.co/MSZHztR/IMG-5745.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MSZHztR)(https://i.ibb.co/0nmCrfJ/IMG-5746.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0nmCrfJ)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: schralp pal on January 18, 2024, 10:25:26 AM
AG formula sml wheels need more love - just a tad softer than 99f4s with a slightly more controlled slide - perfect wheel to go between the older parks in my zone and black top parking lots and school yards i find myself in.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 18, 2024, 10:43:23 AM
Anyone ever give these a try?

https://www.tactics.com/portland-wheel-company/the-shelter-seekers-skateboard-wheels/white-985a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on January 18, 2024, 11:22:14 AM
Anyone ever give these a try?

https://www.tactics.com/portland-wheel-company/the-shelter-seekers-skateboard-wheels/white-985a

aren't they creative or one of the other wheel makers? maybe i'm remembering wrong though. that being said i've not tried any creative wheel below 99
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 18, 2024, 11:27:25 AM
Anyone ever give these a try?

https://www.tactics.com/portland-wheel-company/the-shelter-seekers-skateboard-wheels/white-985a

Yeah, I know the dudes who do those wheels. And while I'd love to support them.... well... you know the rest....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 18, 2024, 12:27:59 PM
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Anyone ever give these a try?

https://www.tactics.com/portland-wheel-company/the-shelter-seekers-skateboard-wheels/white-985a
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Yeah, I know the dudes who do those wheels. And while I'd love to support them.... well... you know the rest....

Too bad, shape is nice and that 98.5 might work really well for some folks.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on January 23, 2024, 02:37:33 AM
Just to add to the already abundant X97/99 discussion and reviews: I've been on my X99's for a while now at my local wintertime indoor park (no outdoor skating over here at the moment), and as I've mentioned here repeatedly, I've grown to like them a whole lot.

Yesterday I switched back to my old indoor wheels of choice from last winter, the OJ Elite Hardline 99s. They're a "normal" hard wheel but imo not as slippery as e.g. F4 on dusty plywood. And they're fast. Really liked them as an all-around wheel in the past.

Anyway, yesterday, after a good while, I liked the initial fast feel of the OJs. They might be a tad faster than the X99 and have that good old hard gnar feel to them plus they bark and are louder. But pretty soon I realized that the hardness of the wheel made my feet sore quicker than the X99. In a nutshell, the rebound of the X-Formula (which some people dislike) really seems to work wonders for old feet (I'm 40+). The difference was notable.

Kinda torn here -- the OJ Elite 99s felt gnarly, but my feet definitely like the X99 more. I actually kinda feel that I just might be willing to give up a tiny bit of speed for the comfort factor of the X99s.

The interesting/challenging aspect of all this is that the more I skate the X99s, the harder it's gonna be to switch back to "normal" hard wheels.

Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fast_Freddie on January 23, 2024, 07:09:05 AM
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Got a couple sets of the Vu Skateshop x Bones x99 to try out.  Currently skating a Spitfire F4 Classic 53, so hopefully it won't be too drastic...

What is everone's opinion on the Bones x99?

Link for those interested
https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271 (https://vuskateboardshop.com/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/bones-x-vu-x99-collab-wheels-53mm?variant=43640565039271)
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Tried out the x99 wheels today, mind you my local park is over 20 years old and the concrete has seen better days. 

Speed:  At my local the x99 felt faster than F499 classic
Slide: Wheel was definitely grippier sliding, but i think will be easy to control, no as “icy” feeling as F499 classic
Grip: Having skated both F499 classic & conical full, the x99 feel like a classic and conical full had a love child… it has the grip & confidence of a conical full with the agility of a classic
Placebo???: As an older skater (46), I felt the wheels definitely took the “shock” out of landing tricks, and my feet definitely thanked me after todays session… not sure if it was the new insoles or wheels, but was a great session today!

Been skating my small indoor basement "park" a lot with the X99s since it has been so cold out, and I feel the breakaway point during slides & reverts has been very inconsistent and now feeling very icy & slick compared to F499...  Concrete is very smooth and ramps are covered in Gator Skin... I had to swap back to F499 this past weekend and reverts felt much more controlled...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: 50mm on January 23, 2024, 03:27:42 PM
I have a set of pretty much new conical fulls that I’m fixin’ to sand down into a set of lock-ins.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2024, 08:34:11 PM
The interesting/challenging aspect of all this is that the more I skate the X99s, the harder it's gonna be to switch back to "normal" hard wheels.

Ramble ahead...

Been on x99s for a while now (jumped back on 99a spits a couple of sessions then back to x99), no park, just street; this past week I've been on STF 103a V3s aaaaaand, the speed and slide is sooo good, so predictable, pinch grinds are so much less effort, less sticky and bluntslides are on point...yes it's a bit chattery and my legs/knees do feel it but I think I'd rather perform better for a short time than skate longer with less-optimal performance AT spots that don't need the x99s, or 99a spits (which for me are a distant 3rd now (stf/f4 tie > x99 > 99a spits > x97s).

Went back to 99a spits and couldn't do it they just felt sluggish (these were old tablets...same feel with my old conicals), switched right back to 103s on the spot. Now obviously any 99a is going to feel slower/less slick, but I'm def spoiled by the liveliness of the x99s compared to any 99a...x97s just feel like cruiser wheels now. I have a recent drop/'set of 99a lock-ins that i skated a few times that are VERY white and felt way, way harder than the other two sets of [old] 99a spits...do 99a spits just drop off at some point that I don't remember?

Going to go back to 101s - maybe spit classics or conicals since finding real stfs not x-form, is proving very difficult, and my stfs are all below 50mm now...but I honestly don't remember how 101a f4s feel (compared to STFs) the last time I rode 101 spits was my last set of radial slims...so well over a year.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: hiljentaa on January 24, 2024, 08:13:43 PM
Curious about the OJ Elite 101s. I really like the Ricta Natural 101a. Feel like the OJs should be similar?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2024, 08:39:55 PM
Curious about the OJ Elite 101s. I really like the Ricta Natural 101a. Feel like the OJs should be similar?

OJ Elites 99 or 101 are griiiiiiiiiipy, much more than Ricta but have a similar feel to the urethane (not surprisingly). Much prefer OJ 101 Elites to SPF, they just about as fast but are not glassy/don't break free at random.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on January 24, 2024, 08:44:15 PM
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Curious about the OJ Elite 101s. I really like the Ricta Natural 101a. Feel like the OJs should be similar?
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OJ Elites 99 or 101 are griiiiiiiiiipy, much more than Ricta but have a similar feel to the urethane (not surprisingly). Much prefer OJ 101 Elites to SPF, they just about as fast but are not glassy/don't break free at random.

break free at random….that scares me just reading it. i am so shit at skating, and the thought of just sliding out, accidentally, as i gingerly try and cruise around the bottom third of a bowl i have no gd business being in….instant rip
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 25, 2024, 12:37:40 AM
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Curious about the OJ Elite 101s. I really like the Ricta Natural 101a. Feel like the OJs should be similar?
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OJ Elites 99 or 101 are griiiiiiiiiipy, much more than Ricta but have a similar feel to the urethane (not surprisingly). Much prefer OJ 101 Elites to SPF, they just about as fast but are not glassy/don't break free at random.
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break free at random….that scares me just reading it. i am so shit at skating, and the thought of just sliding out, accidentally, as i gingerly try and cruise around the bottom third of a bowl i have no gd business being in….instant rip

They’re dangerously fast wheels. I’m shit at bowls above the lip but I can grind/carve lines for days at full speed and after many spills with 55+ spfs the 101 oj elites saved my life more than a few times I’m sure of it…I’m not good enough to control the slip on stfs.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 25, 2024, 04:41:38 AM
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Curious about the OJ Elite 101s. I really like the Ricta Natural 101a. Feel like the OJs should be similar?
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OJ Elites 99 or 101 are griiiiiiiiiipy, much more than Ricta but have a similar feel to the urethane (not surprisingly). Much prefer OJ 101 Elites to SPF, they just about as fast but are not glassy/don't break free at random.
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break free at random….that scares me just reading it. i am so shit at skating, and the thought of just sliding out, accidentally, as i gingerly try and cruise around the bottom third of a bowl i have no gd business being in….instant rip

This reminds me of the old ricta 83b speed rings I use to skate a this small wooden park. I was a fucking menace. Random power slides across anything like I was fuck Bam. Pump and carve too hard and you’d slip out.


I miss that wheel… I need to check eBay
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: beandemon on January 25, 2024, 09:15:20 AM
Having a weird experience that’s making me re-think grip in dirty indoor parks.  I noticed my old 95a OJs were picking up way more schmutz than other folks wheels.  I was wondering if it was because they’re softer, but fools’ 93a dragons were staying clean. Took a spin on the homie’s whip and his 99f4’s gripped better and stayed cleaner. I always took for granted that soft = more grip, but if what if, under waxy, dusty, indoor conditions, grip is greatly dependent on how clean your wheels stay? And what if that is formula dependent?  I feel like Lacerda trying to shoot the Mint 400.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on January 25, 2024, 09:31:30 AM
Having a weird experience that’s making me re-think grip in dirty indoor parks.  I noticed my old 95a OJs were picking up way more schmutz than other folks wheels.  I was wondering if it was because they’re softer, but fools’ 93a dragons were staying clean. Took a spin on the homie’s whip and his 99f4’s gripped better and stayed cleaner. I always took for granted that soft = more grip, but if what if, under waxy, dusty, indoor conditions, grip is greatly dependent on how clean your wheels stay? And what if that is formula dependent?  I feel like Lacerda trying to shoot the Mint 400.

Yeah, I guess it depends on the formula, and somewhat on softness/hardness (not sure how much the latter, though). My X99's (same formula as Dragons I think?) don't seem to dirty up too quick at our dusty indoor. However, as I took my trusty old OJ Elite 99s for a spin a while ago, they gathered lotsa gunk in a jiffy. Madness.

Would be interested in hearing peeps' experiences with Spitfire F4 97's in similar conditions.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: ggrimmedd on January 25, 2024, 09:38:52 AM
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Curious about the OJ Elite 101s. I really like the Ricta Natural 101a. Feel like the OJs should be similar?
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OJ Elites 99 or 101 are griiiiiiiiiipy, much more than Ricta but have a similar feel to the urethane (not surprisingly). Much prefer OJ 101 Elites to SPF, they just about as fast but are not glassy/don't break free at random.
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break free at random….that scares me just reading it. i am so shit at skating, and the thought of just sliding out, accidentally, as i gingerly try and cruise around the bottom third of a bowl i have no gd business being in….instant rip
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They’re dangerously fast wheels. I’m shit at bowls above the lip but I can grind/carve lines for days at full speed and after many spills with 55+ spfs the 101 oj elites saved my life more than a few times I’m sure of it…I’m not good enough to control the slip on stfs.

Above the lip the wheels are even more sketchy-er, landing airs dead eye straight is OK but when you start to land even a little sideways start to become a game of luck, new coping or shiny lacquered ones are pure death, already took bad falls leaving really fast 50-50s/5-0s thinking the wheel gonna grip a little in the end but they just slide off randomly.

Great wheels? Yeah, but id rather have something grippy and reliable than fast and fast
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 25, 2024, 04:28:50 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)

I love the matching bushings.

I was about to quote a different pic talking about how the blue makes that graphic. Then I noticed You got the match up bushings too.

I frickin love it.

I can't wait to get my hands on some hollows Kader' 5.8s with the killer new (old) graphic and the green bushings.

Match up with my 3 ply risers and the bottom of my next metal board.

I'm going to try and find a bag of gold flat washers too.

I'll share with pals when I cop. If I cop.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 25, 2024, 07:42:03 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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I love the matching bushings.

I was about to quote a different pic talking about how the blue makes that graphic. Then I noticed You got the match up bushings too.

I frickin love it.

I can't wait to get my hands on some hollows Kader' 5.8s with the killer new (old) graphic and the green bushings.

Match up with my 3 ply risers and the bottom of my next metal board.

I'm going to try and find a bag of gold flat washers too.

I'll share with pals when I cop. If I cop.


Sometimes it all works out! Other times it's whatever fits the bill/I don't give a shit. I knew I was gonna setup the black/raw vents with this indy blues, so when ordering the V5s it was an easy choice....

That same gear setup is going on something that's almost to matchy matchy.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 25, 2024, 10:47:28 PM
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lets get a report back on how they skate asap, especially how they pinch, grind, slide etc pls
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While more feedback is always good, this thread is filled with feedback on the x99s my dude (and in direct response to you from waaaay back in September), unless moon is your own personal jesus and you need his blessing on gear first? Just fucking buy a set already.

@moonordie go team V5 x99 headrush!

(https://i.ibb.co/GnTyTDc/IMG-5731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnTyTDc)
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I love the matching bushings.

I was about to quote a different pic talking about how the blue makes that graphic. Then I noticed You got the match up bushings too.

I frickin love it.

I can't wait to get my hands on some hollows Kader' 5.8s with the killer new (old) graphic and the green bushings.

Match up with my 3 ply risers and the bottom of my next metal board.

I'm going to try and find a bag of gold flat washers too.

I'll share with pals when I cop. If I cop.

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Sometimes it all works out! Other times it's whatever fits the bill/I don't give a shit. I knew I was gonna setup the black/raw vents with this indy blues, so when ordering the V5s it was an easy choice....

That same gear setup is going on something that's almost to matchy matchy.

It's great when the stars align.

Matching your Per profile photo too
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on January 27, 2024, 03:12:47 PM
anyone skate the snot wide boys?
42mm wide with a 25mm riding surface
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: boneless900 on January 28, 2024, 09:33:48 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/CBMSt4G/PXL-20240118-043517366.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CBMSt4G)(https://i.ibb.co/KbCYRFL/PXL-20240118-210117680-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KbCYRFL)
anyone skate the snot wide boys?
42mm wide with a 25mm riding surface

Just set up some lil wide boys a couple days ago so I'm hoping to get a good sesh in today. I snagged em for my 9.1 twin egg (skatesamples gfb shape) but swapped the AF1 60s for Indy hollow 159s.

Also got myself some black v6 53mm x99s for my 8.5 girl twin tip setup to have something to reference. Gonna break the wheels in and get some good time on both sets before I give feedback
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 29, 2024, 06:38:38 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/CBMSt4G/PXL-20240118-043517366.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CBMSt4G)(https://i.ibb.co/KbCYRFL/PXL-20240118-210117680-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KbCYRFL)
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anyone skate the snot wide boys?
42mm wide with a 25mm riding surface
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Just set up some lil wide boys a couple days ago so I'm hoping to get a good sesh in today. I snagged em for my 9.1 twin egg (skatesamples gfb shape) but swapped the AF1 60s for Indy hollow 159s.

Also got myself some black v6 53mm x99s for my 8.5 girl twin tip setup to have something to reference. Gonna break the wheels in and get some good time on both sets before I give feedback


They do look like fun!

Reminds me of when some of the big bowl dudes pass on their used wheels, started at 58 mm or so, down to 54 mm then they get passed on again or just skated til they are 50 mm or so and wide as anything still.

Can't wait to see what some of those Radial Full wheels look like when they get down in size.


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on January 29, 2024, 08:35:26 PM
Snot came out the gate with every gimmick, now they’re innovating gimmicks.

Hope it pans out
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: thehogsniper on January 29, 2024, 09:01:24 PM
Shower thought: why hasn't spitfire (or any other skate company) gotten into the market of making wheelchair wheels? WCMX has massive potential.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on January 30, 2024, 02:17:29 AM
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Curious about the OJ Elite 101s. I really like the Ricta Natural 101a. Feel like the OJs should be similar?
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OJ Elites 99 or 101 are griiiiiiiiiipy, much more than Ricta but have a similar feel to the urethane (not surprisingly). Much prefer OJ 101 Elites to SPF, they just about as fast but are not glassy/don't break free at random.
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break free at random….that scares me just reading it. i am so shit at skating, and the thought of just sliding out, accidentally, as i gingerly try and cruise around the bottom third of a bowl i have no gd business being in….instant rip
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They’re dangerously fast wheels. I’m shit at bowls above the lip but I can grind/carve lines for days at full speed and after many spills with 55+ spfs the 101 oj elites saved my life more than a few times I’m sure of it…I’m not good enough to control the slip on stfs.

Ha honestly loving the love for the OJ Elite 101's. I too have had some unexpected and nasty slams with SPF 84B. I can trust Elites when carving hard on the super new smooth bowls. And yes they are very near to being just as fast as SPF! I really dig the Mini Combo shape as well...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on January 30, 2024, 10:28:55 AM
Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Nth syd bear on January 30, 2024, 10:49:02 AM
Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on January 30, 2024, 10:55:19 AM
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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine
Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2024, 12:18:45 PM
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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine
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Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.

It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on January 30, 2024, 12:34:56 PM
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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine
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Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.
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It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.
I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frontsideNECKTIE on January 30, 2024, 12:45:11 PM
Just wanting to comment OJ elites are the best. Running worn down 54mm 101a hardlines.

Was skating at the slickest park in town, with spotty, residual wetness from the rain, and still didn't slip out. Obviously I stayed out of the actual wet spots, but I was still snail-trailin here and there.

Lovely consistency, easy to break into slides without being slippery (beautiful bark also), almost no friction on grinds, great shape. Hard to be better than F4 or Bones Xwhatever, but I'll recommend Elites to anyone who'll listen.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: toe_knee on January 30, 2024, 12:55:32 PM
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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine
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Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.
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It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.
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I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.

Better than making a separate thread about it……
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on January 30, 2024, 01:48:57 PM
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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine
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Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.
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It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.
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I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.

i was one of the ones that skated my dragons like 3x’s and then started talking shit. i loved the quiet, smooth, less foot pain. hated the lack of speed checks: everybody, but me, seems to like how they slide. they didn’t slide, for me. i was trying to use them in some really really really old, extremely rough roads. f4 99s are slower on the roads, but the harder wheel speed checks fine, where as only for me, the softer dragons didn’t slide and slip over the top of the crappy roads.
but maybe they’ll break in. i was just over it, and weather has been blocking me from doing much skating.
just got x97s, to give it another shot.

i’m one of those annoying hive-minders that just wants to ride the fire.
i mean i love the idea of a softer wheel that hurts my joints less, and can roll over crud, without being a 56 radial full.
but im so into the way f4s feel….
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: camel filters on January 30, 2024, 02:50:20 PM
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Pulled the trigger on some dragons (56mm v6). I know its a dead topic but for those who truly put these to work, did the slideability get better or worse with age? I'm happy with the purchase either way since I'm using it as a supplemental set for when I'm filming others but want to session also.
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  Probably better,   definitely doesn't get worse
Its been said before, but asphalt, shitty streets, old blacktop courts is where they really shine
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Word. I've been having no real problems sliding on anything other than metal coping at parks. Especially the inside of the wheel when I try to grind coping. Hoping this gets better but not a deal breaker if it remains bad.
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It doesn't/ad nauseam - they don't do well on metal coping of any kind by comparison. Especially dragons, you get that gummy squeal (even on curbs).

The gummy nature dissipates as you move up in duro tho.
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I'm sorry if you were tired of seeing that question again. I knew that about them but was trying to approach more at the angle of seeing if those who have truly abused them noticed any change over time. i know most people who had these rode them for like a week then bounced. Thanks for the feedback tho. I will not talk about these again.
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i was one of the ones that skated my dragons like 3x’s and then started talking shit. i loved the quiet, smooth, less foot pain. hated the lack of speed checks: everybody, but me, seems to like how they slide. they didn’t slide, for me. i was trying to use them in some really really really old, extremely rough roads. f4 99s are slower on the roads, but the harder wheel speed checks fine, where as only for me, the softer dragons didn’t slide and slip over the top of the crappy roads.
but maybe they’ll break in. i was just over it, and weather has been blocking me from doing much skating.
just got x97s, to give it another shot.

i’m one of those annoying hive-minders that just wants to ride the fire.
i mean i love the idea of a softer wheel that hurts my joints less, and can roll over crud, without being a 56 radial full.
but im so into the way f4s feel….
Not gonna lie, I held off because of the same thought process. Then i heard from the local shop when they came for the premiere (in Austin) that all the LateNiteStars guys ride dragons now. And it now has some underground cool points. I'm enjoying them so far. Just hope that they start working for my local park's quarterpipes since I would like to not have to change them out so often.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2024, 04:42:21 PM
Using dragons in a park setting is counterintuitive, you essentially lose all the benefits the formula offers, and speed...it's not what they're made for...Really, it isn't.

If you have to have something softer go x99s, they're gonna work great in park, and everywhere else so no need to swap wheels...or just go spit 99s.

I don't even touch my dragons anymore, there’s one spot that’s just rough as shit and the X 97 serve that purpose; everywhere else I could probably ride spit 99 A’s and not think twice but I like the rebound feel /  the softer vibration deadening, the X 99 offer.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 30, 2024, 04:55:49 PM
It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 30, 2024, 06:30:17 PM
It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on January 31, 2024, 01:11:33 AM
Just wanting to comment OJ elites are the best. Running worn down 54mm 101a hardlines.

Was skating at the slickest park in town, with spotty, residual wetness from the rain, and still didn't slip out. Obviously I stayed out of the actual wet spots, but I was still snail-trailin here and there.

Lovely consistency, easy to break into slides without being slippery (beautiful bark also), almost no friction on grinds, great shape. Hard to be better than F4 or Bones Xwhatever, but I'll recommend Elites to anyone who'll listen.

Definitely agree. Underrated wheels. They have a great combination of mojo and performance. Plus the Hardline shape is great.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 31, 2024, 03:43:24 PM
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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).

Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on January 31, 2024, 05:45:30 PM
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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).
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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?

Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on January 31, 2024, 06:32:00 PM
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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).
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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?
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Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.

classics are the best shape tho

i think these x97s, that i just purchased, are v1s. shape looks nice.
has a chain graphic that would not have looked out of place on a rogue status stars n straps model.
i mean its gotta come back around. seen some von dutch. just a matter of time and that bones graphic on the lower 3rd of the t shirt is gonna hit
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 31, 2024, 07:03:47 PM
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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).
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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?
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Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.

Honestly, I don't think they even try anymore...old heads buy every colorway of every re-issue without any marketing at all...and those SPF users (see reissues) are locked in...STF could have used some love, honestly surprised they didn't put these under the Bones flag as STFx or some shit.

They used social and youtube to push the xformula and word of mouth killed it for these things, because they're legit. It'd be hard to print out catalog for a drop with 'new formula x' and get shops to bite you know? Second place is hard to shake after what, a decade? They never bounced back after F4s hit, and they let the last team go...for this new one...how the mighty company behind the Bone Brigade just let that shit go is beyond me.

We get Dan and Andy as poster boys....far cry from Hawk and Cab....hell Siaz and Martinez.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: logjammin on January 31, 2024, 08:36:58 PM
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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).
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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?
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Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.
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classics are the best shape tho

i think these x97s, that i just purchased, are v1s. shape looks nice.
has a chain graphic that would not have looked out of place on a rogue status stars n straps model.
i mean its gotta come back around. seen some von dutch. just a matter of time and that bones graphic on the lower 3rd of the t shirt is gonna hit

Lol, those are the exact ones I'm gonna get, in 54mm. I'll definitely be acetoning that shitty graphic off for sure. I love fatty wheels like radial fulls but at the end of the day I think I've learned the classic round shape just...works. If they released the x97 in that "fatties" shape which is even a bit beefier than a classic full, that would be amazing.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on January 31, 2024, 11:14:17 PM
V6 x99 (or x97 if that's your pleasure), especially at 54mm+, should not be discounted. Barge wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on January 31, 2024, 11:42:30 PM
X99 V5 in 54 or 55mm has quickly become my go to wheel. There's no perfect all around wheel, but these check a lot of boxes.

That said, if they released an X101, I'd definitely be very, very interested.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on February 01, 2024, 03:13:51 AM
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It's been funny to see how many kids will show up to my local indoor with their worn down bearing condom spits that are 99-101a and slipping around so bad, only to go into the shop and come back out with some fresh dragons and able to actually skate. Heck, it's what I'm ridin'. I was gonna try the x97/x99 but there's still moments where I almost slip out even on these dragons, so they wont be coming off til winter is over. Definitely get that gummy stick on metal coping when I try to maintain a long stand up grind in the bowl and don't stay perfectly center or crosslock it, but I'll take that trade off since I can actually enjoy indoor sessions now. I do think those x97s are gonna be the perfect sweet spot for the outdoors and possibly my new fav wheel.
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They're my "set it and forget it" wheel - works for 90% of the stuff I skate which are parks with shitty concrete and street (asphalt, cobblestone).
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Hell yeah. As much as I love Spitfire, I honestly think Bones might have actually beaten F4's in each respective durometer on the scale for market offerings with these new dragon and x-formulas. At least in terms of performance, I think spitfire has better shapes for sure though. Did you try the x99?
[close]

Not fully, pushed around on a friend's board with X99 during a park session, harder but not chattery.

Bones' marketing has a lot to catch up on, Spitfire's quarterly catalog is more vibrant and eye catching despite always releasing Classics.
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classics are the best shape tho

i think these x97s, that i just purchased, are v1s. shape looks nice.
has a chain graphic that would not have looked out of place on a rogue status stars n straps model.
i mean its gotta come back around. seen some von dutch. just a matter of time and that bones graphic on the lower 3rd of the t shirt is gonna hit
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Lol, those are the exact ones I'm gonna get, in 54mm. I'll definitely be acetoning that shitty graphic off for sure. I love fatty wheels like radial fulls but at the end of the day I think I've learned the classic round shape just...works. If they released the x97 in that "fatties" shape which is even a bit beefier than a classic full, that would be amazing.

Yes that "fatties" shape is great. Think it's V4? They seem to be forgoing it for V6 these days, esp with the latest X formula wheels. It is basically a classic full. I have some old Schroeder 62mm V4 SPF's that will never die.

Yesterday to experiment I went back to the CF F4 99a that I used to ride at my local. They really felt "dead" and cumbersome. After 30 min switched back to X99. They work better for me for any situation besides the slick bowls when my poor form warrants OJ Elite.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: JimmyFive on February 01, 2024, 03:16:45 AM
X99 V5 in 54 or 55mm has quickly become my go to wheel. There's no perfect all around wheel, but these check a lot of boxes.

That said, if they released a X101, I'd definitely be very, very interested.

I enquired with Bones around a X101 out of interest. No plans as yet..
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on February 01, 2024, 03:37:22 AM
Yesterday to experiment I went back to the CF F4 99a that I used to ride at my local. They really felt "dead" and cumbersome. After 30 min switched back to X99. They work better for me for any situation besides the slick bowls when my poor form warrants OJ Elite.

Yeah, it's funny how "dead" really is a good word to (at least partly) describe the feeling of going back to normal hard wheels after X99. I've grown to really like their nice rebound, combined with the fact that my feet feel less sore after a long sesh on them.

Plus, funnily enough, when I recently switched back to OJ Elite 99s for one session after being on X99s for some time now, my ollie/pop somehow went to shit for a while. I mean, what gives? Does wheel rebound affect one's ollie? I was surprised to say the least.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on February 01, 2024, 07:06:16 AM
I wish the V6 shape came in a 58 or 60 purely from an aesthetic standpoint. The 58 V5s I have right now work perfectly well but I’ve always liked a big fat wheel and they’re missing out on the fat aspect.

Maybe I just need to slide them down a little more to round them out.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 01, 2024, 07:08:52 AM
I wish the V6 shape came in a 58 or 60 purely from an aesthetic standpoint. The 58 V5s I have right now work perfectly well but I’ve always liked a big fat wheel and they’re missing out on the fat aspect.

Maybe I just need to slide them down a little more to round them out.

Good luck wearing these down, they last forever!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Oog on February 01, 2024, 08:00:41 AM
Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: bombsaway86 on February 01, 2024, 08:43:37 AM
Anybody who’s been on the x99s for a while, how do they compare to F4 99 for park/bowl skating. I’m specifically interested if the x99s are as fast and if they slide/revert as well as F4s
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 01, 2024, 09:36:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/HoEPWE1.jpg)
Just for anybody who might need it: V5 and CF, both 53mm
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on February 01, 2024, 09:57:24 AM
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I wish the V6 shape came in a 58 or 60 purely from an aesthetic standpoint. The 58 V5s I have right now work perfectly well but I’ve always liked a big fat wheel and they’re missing out on the fat aspect.

Maybe I just need to slide them down a little more to round them out.
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Good luck wearing these down, they last forever!

Exactly what I was scared of hearing, foiled again by Bones Incorporated
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on February 01, 2024, 01:15:29 PM
Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?

I skate mostly parking lots that are asphalt. The ground smoothness varies a lot. And yes, the softer duro wheels have helped me to skate longer because they dampen vibrations. My feet are less achy and less tired. I noticed I could go forvever with 78s, with 93s I can skate longer than say F4 97/99 but I like harder wheels on smooth park surface and mini ramps.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jackismydogsname on February 01, 2024, 02:10:40 PM
Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?

Currently in rural Arizona, raked concrete and roads from the gold rush. I have upmost respect for the east coast weathered rough, the only thing "smooth" near me is the highway. It's not my feet but overall body just gets more joy rolling around on dragons, even my teeth feel better! I would be on 101a and separate designated cruiser when move back to Phoenix.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: iw0 on February 01, 2024, 09:13:27 PM
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Just for anybody who might need it: V5 and CF, both 53mm

this was the exact post i was looking for after catching up on the last few pages, ty
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: doyle on February 02, 2024, 09:18:39 AM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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They are generally quiet, depending on the terrain of course. On smooth surfaces they are pretty much dead silent. Some noise on rougher ground, but nothing like normal hard wheels. I'd say go with Dragons.

A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2024, 12:12:45 PM
Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?

Honestly you really have to have been paying attention to your skating/body both before during and after with your normal duro and the x-formula.

As an Eastcoaster (NY/NYC) I've skated my fair share and I would have KILLED for these wheels back in the day...the sheer amount of spots that would have been opened up is crazy.

Some places are just chattery, you know? or have rough spots here and there...landings, even flat or ledges, overtime (during the session / weekly or whatever amount you skate) you'll find that your feet/calves/knees, wherever YOU feel normally feel the fatigue, has lessened. Even pushing is easier on the body, no more extra focus on the front foot when pushing through shit; obviously things like muscles used to push (quads) or crouching (quads) to ollie or flick are not getting any benefit and will still feel sore.

Running on asphalt vs the beach or soft (even grade) trails, cushy insoles vs flat hard ones, it's all going to have an effect.

For me it's the knees, on 103s/99s vs x97/x99s I can almost double my skating time these days; 2hrs is usually the max on mixed terrain with other wheels x99s and I'm still the one skating when the crew have quit for the day, where I would usually be the one done sooner; and I've got years on them age-wise.

All that shit aside, once you get used to the easy of skating/vibration reduction is fucking hard going back, you have to really want to or need to (bluntslides for me) to ride other wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FirstBlood82 on February 02, 2024, 12:47:39 PM
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Not trying to hate, jut trying to understand but I get confused by everyone saying they can skate longer with the various dragon/xwhaterver wheels. Do your feet actually hurt from the vibrations of a skateboard? I have lived on the east coast my whole life and skate some fairly rough ground but I have never really experienced this. What kind of ground are you guys skating?
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Honestly you really have to have been paying attention to your skating/body both before during and after with your normal duro and the x-formula.

As an Eastcoaster (NY/NYC) I've skated my fair share and I would have KILLED for these wheels back in the day...the sheer amount of spots that would have been opened up is crazy.

Some places are just chattery, you know? or have rough spots here and there...landings, even flat or ledges, overtime (during the session / weekly or whatever amount you skate) you'll find that your feet/calves/knees, wherever YOU feel normally feel the fatigue, has lessened. Even pushing is easier on the body, no more extra focus on the front foot when pushing through shit; obviously things like muscles used to push (quads) or crouching (quads) to ollie or flick are not getting any benefit and will still feel sore.

Running on asphalt vs the beach or soft (even grade) trails, cushy insoles vs flat hard ones, it's all going to have an effect.

For me it's the knees, on 103s/99s vs x97/x99s I can almost double my skating time these days; 2hrs is usually the max on mixed terrain with other wheels x99s and I'm still the one skating when the crew have quit for the day, where I would usually be the one done sooner; and I've got years on them age-wise.

All that shit aside, once you get used to the easy of skating/vibration reduction is fucking hard going back, you have to really want to or need to (bluntslides for me) to ride other wheels.


Biggest downside for me, thats why i changed to x97
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jackismydogsname on February 02, 2024, 01:07:45 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.

I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2024, 01:18:03 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
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I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D

I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 02, 2024, 02:36:28 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
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I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
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I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).

haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on February 02, 2024, 05:12:28 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
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I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
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I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
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haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it

After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 02, 2024, 05:55:53 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
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I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
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I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
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haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
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After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....

as everyone here has read me whine about, so many times: venture lo’s = 51s = walking to the spot. and when i’m at ‘the spot’ it is just me, an old man, bailing flatground trick attempts….well, that starts to feel a little bleak. the ride to the spot is more the thing.
i do not have high hopes for these 52 x97s. i’ll know this weekend.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 02, 2024, 06:09:18 PM
Tried sone Spitfire sapphires at the park today and was pleasantly surprised. Dude had them and was pretty into them. I only rolled around a bit and did a couple of 180s slides but they felt unique in a good way. Soft but not gummy and held their speed. He said he dug them on shit surfaces also. Pretty sure, nose/ tail/ blunt sidles would be pretty hard do to slide on them...
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 11, 2024, 06:06:11 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
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I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
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I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
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haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
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After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....
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as everyone here has read me whine about, so many times: venture lo’s = 51s = walking to the spot. and when i’m at ‘the spot’ it is just me, an old man, bailing flatground trick attempts….well, that starts to feel a little bleak. the ride to the spot is more the thing.
i do not have high hopes for these 52 x97s. i’ll know this weekend.

turns outs the 52 x97s are pretty alright!
the white is decent, not cheap wheel white, not potato brown.
i like the v1 shape.
wheelbite with the lo’s is pretty savage
the formula is really decent: little backside 180 guerrero slides can be the eject button with soft wheels, these do fine. i only skated them flatground, and they did take some of the sting out of the session, which is very welcomed.
i did let myself get talked into setting them up
graphics out, by the punk-ass 5 year old i was hanging with, but that’s on me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
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I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
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I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
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haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
[close]

After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....
[close]

as everyone here has read me whine about, so many times: venture lo’s = 51s = walking to the spot. and when i’m at ‘the spot’ it is just me, an old man, bailing flatground trick attempts….well, that starts to feel a little bleak. the ride to the spot is more the thing.
i do not have high hopes for these 52 x97s. i’ll know this weekend.
[close]

turns outs the 52 x97s are pretty alright!
the white is decent, not cheap wheel white, not potato brown.
i like the v1 shape.
wheelbite with the lo’s is pretty savage
the formula is really decent: little backside 180 guerrero slides can be the eject button with soft wheels, these do fine. i only skated them flatground, and they did take some of the sting out of the session, which is very welcomed.
i did let myself get talked into setting them up
graphics out, by the punk-ass 5 year old i was hanging with, but that’s on me.

Nice, enjoy them!

I setup my black 54mm V6 x99s again, coming off white x99s and damn, the black x99s are so much harder feeling than the white x99s, either that or I'm crazy...they def feel harder than spit 99s as well...super weird.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jums on February 12, 2024, 04:55:10 PM
I’m rocking some old beige conical 99F4s. I got 3 X formula wheels on ice I’d like to try as soon as I’m done with this deck. V6 97 and 99. It’s rough as hell anywhere outside the park here. I’m impatiently waiting to try the softer duro to see if it really makes skating rough terrain feel smooth(er).
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
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I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
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I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
[close]

haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
[close]

After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....
[close]

as everyone here has read me whine about, so many times: venture lo’s = 51s = walking to the spot. and when i’m at ‘the spot’ it is just me, an old man, bailing flatground trick attempts….well, that starts to feel a little bleak. the ride to the spot is more the thing.
i do not have high hopes for these 52 x97s. i’ll know this weekend.
[close]

turns outs the 52 x97s are pretty alright!
the white is decent, not cheap wheel white, not potato brown.
i like the v1 shape.
wheelbite with the lo’s is pretty savage
the formula is really decent: little backside 180 guerrero slides can be the eject button with soft wheels, these do fine. i only skated them flatground, and they did take some of the sting out of the session, which is very welcomed.
i did let myself get talked into setting them up
graphics out, by the punk-ass 5 year old i was hanging with, but that’s on me.
[close]

Nice, enjoy them!

I setup my black 54mm V6 x99s again, coming off white x99s and damn, the black x99s are so much harder feeling than the white x99s, either that or I'm crazy...they def feel harder than spit 99s as well...super weird.

black wheels look sick tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 12, 2024, 06:41:20 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
[close]

I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
[close]

I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
[close]

haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
[close]

After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....
[close]

as everyone here has read me whine about, so many times: venture lo’s = 51s = walking to the spot. and when i’m at ‘the spot’ it is just me, an old man, bailing flatground trick attempts….well, that starts to feel a little bleak. the ride to the spot is more the thing.
i do not have high hopes for these 52 x97s. i’ll know this weekend.
[close]

turns outs the 52 x97s are pretty alright!
the white is decent, not cheap wheel white, not potato brown.
i like the v1 shape.
wheelbite with the lo’s is pretty savage
the formula is really decent: little backside 180 guerrero slides can be the eject button with soft wheels, these do fine. i only skated them flatground, and they did take some of the sting out of the session, which is very welcomed.
i did let myself get talked into setting them up
graphics out, by the punk-ass 5 year old i was hanging with, but that’s on me.
[close]

Nice, enjoy them!

I setup my black 54mm V6 x99s again, coming off white x99s and damn, the black x99s are so much harder feeling than the white x99s, either that or I'm crazy...they def feel harder than spit 99s as well...super weird.
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black wheels look sick tho.

Gleaming the cube told us that the black wheels are a rougher but faster ride. Yahboe or whatever his name was said it when he hooked up the board that me and my friends hated.
So must be idk tho.

I do know I'm on the right wheel again. I guess conical 58s 97a are also my shit. I had 56s in 2016. Different duro tjo. Way faster grinds than the radial but they're both dope af.

Very very happy rn. Except the fuckin snow storm that's about to hit. Sigh
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 12, 2024, 09:22:58 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
[close]

I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
[close]

I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
[close]

haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
[close]

After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....
[close]

as everyone here has read me whine about, so many times: venture lo’s = 51s = walking to the spot. and when i’m at ‘the spot’ it is just me, an old man, bailing flatground trick attempts….well, that starts to feel a little bleak. the ride to the spot is more the thing.
i do not have high hopes for these 52 x97s. i’ll know this weekend.
[close]

turns outs the 52 x97s are pretty alright!
the white is decent, not cheap wheel white, not potato brown.
i like the v1 shape.
wheelbite with the lo’s is pretty savage
the formula is really decent: little backside 180 guerrero slides can be the eject button with soft wheels, these do fine. i only skated them flatground, and they did take some of the sting out of the session, which is very welcomed.
i did let myself get talked into setting them up
graphics out, by the punk-ass 5 year old i was hanging with, but that’s on me.
[close]

Nice, enjoy them!

I setup my black 54mm V6 x99s again, coming off white x99s and damn, the black x99s are so much harder feeling than the white x99s, either that or I'm crazy...they def feel harder than spit 99s as well...super weird.
[close]

black wheels look sick tho.
[close]

Gleaming the cube told us that the black wheels are a rougher but faster ride. Yahboe or whatever his name was said it when he hooked up the board that me and my friends hated.
So must be idk tho.

I do know I'm on the right wheel again. I guess conical 58s 97a are also my shit. I had 56s in 2016. Different duro tjo. Way faster grinds than the radial but they're both dope af.

Very very happy rn. Except the fuckin snow storm that's about to hit. Sigh

i was super stoked on the idea of setting up some extra rad board.
but then what they setup was a little….movie was great tho.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: maggotspawn on February 15, 2024, 11:27:10 AM
How are the Spitfire Sapphires? How are they compared to Dragons?
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Apologies if this has been discussed, but I'm curious if anyone has experience using Powell Dragons (or the Bones equivalent) as filmer wheels?

I'm going on a trip and don't want to have to bring two setups/sets of wheels and it sounds like these would be a pretty decent option for both skating and filming. I'm just not sure if they're smooth and quiet enough to be comparable to something like a Spitfire cruiser wheel that I usually would film with, but assume they're quieter than a normal F4 or something.
[close]
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A little off topic now, but I ended up riding a set of 54mm Dragons on this trip and as much as I was hoping I'd love them, I did not. They were great as a replacement for having both a normal setup and a filmer board, but it just felt kind of like a shitty version of both. A bit too loud and small for filming (probably just because I'm used to a monster truck filmer board) and too soft and..."springy sounding" for a regular board (I'm used to small heavily used F4s).

Was kinda hoping I'd love them and just ride these wheels forever, but unfortunately it's not for me.
[close]

I think the end conclusion for us is start having 3 completes.  ;D
[close]

I'm hovering at two right now...a long WB board with rails, wide trucks, 54mm x97s, it's 'the curb' board, without being an unruly ugly floppingflips shaped curb board and a more tech/plaza board (shorter wb, small 101 classics, ventures; tho I could get away with x99s here).
[close]

haven’t tried x99s, but small 101 classics, in the perfect circumstances, seems like such a pleasant, luxurious experience.
wrong circumstances and i’d want to go home. immediately.
but some decent brick!? i love it
[close]

After being back on 103s stfs /101a spits for close to two weeks (about a week each), I'm struggling to enjoy the x97s / x99s except on the most crustyliscious of spots...everything feels dead and slow after...however skating to the spots is a different story....
[close]

as everyone here has read me whine about, so many times: venture lo’s = 51s = walking to the spot. and when i’m at ‘the spot’ it is just me, an old man, bailing flatground trick attempts….well, that starts to feel a little bleak. the ride to the spot is more the thing.
i do not have high hopes for these 52 x97s. i’ll know this weekend.
[close]

turns outs the 52 x97s are pretty alright!
the white is decent, not cheap wheel white, not potato brown.
i like the v1 shape.
wheelbite with the lo’s is pretty savage
the formula is really decent: little backside 180 guerrero slides can be the eject button with soft wheels, these do fine. i only skated them flatground, and they did take some of the sting out of the session, which is very welcomed.
i did let myself get talked into setting them up
graphics out, by the punk-ass 5 year old i was hanging with, but that’s on me.
[close]

Nice, enjoy them!

I setup my black 54mm V6 x99s again, coming off white x99s and damn, the black x99s are so much harder feeling than the white x99s, either that or I'm crazy...they def feel harder than spit 99s as well...super weird.
[close]

black wheels look sick tho.
[close]

Gleaming the cube told us that the black wheels are a rougher but faster ride. Yahboe or whatever his name was said it when he hooked up the board that me and my friends hated.
So must be idk tho.

I do know I'm on the right wheel again. I guess conical 58s 97a are also my shit. I had 56s in 2016. Different duro tjo. Way faster grinds than the radial but they're both dope af.

Very very happy rn. Except the fuckin snow storm that's about to hit. Sigh
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i was super stoked on the idea of setting up some extra rad board.
but then what they setup was a little….movie was great tho.

I love that flick. It made me feel like there's a way to reach a common respect between us and the jerks who was against us.
A well loved actor skating in the theater! And he's a hero too! We gonna break through and then the world will let us slide and I'll be able to roll forever and be treated like an actual artist.

Nope! Didn't even effect my dad. Lol.

My dad was like Rodney's x1000000. Gonna beat that ass with a yardstick and cut the bloards up with a saw nice and slow and loud underneath your bedroom window just to let you know it's the reason you suck.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 15, 2024, 12:29:43 PM
My step ma's heart was melted by the Simpsons. She bought me mad Bart shit. I was like her Bart I guess. I was thankful for the Simpsons when it dropped. My family was basically that.
I still got some of the stuff she skate stuff she bought me.

Her sister wanted to try and send me out west to sf. She said she asked the older homies. I was like no. Lol. Wtf?!? Ha stupid ass kid.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 15, 2024, 04:37:05 PM
How are the Spitfire Sapphires? How are they compared to Dragons?


I haven't seen or tried them, but a few people have.  This might be the best comment on them so far for you:


Tried sone Spitfire sapphires at the park today and was pleasantly surprised. Dude had them and was pretty into them. I only rolled around a bit and did a couple of 180s slides but they felt unique in a good way. Soft but not gummy and held their speed. He said he dug them on shit surfaces also. Pretty sure, nose/ tail/ blunt sidles would be pretty hard do to slide on them...


Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frtzgn95 on February 17, 2024, 03:13:24 PM
can anyone who uses dragons answer me? i would like to buy one. here is my question: how durable are they, did anyone measure it? i would think to buy a 54mm v1 shape. it is the skinnier one and i want it coz i think it slides easier. how much will it take to wear down to under 50 on daily riding? do i need do buy a new pair every month?

i just hate to skate to spots with hard wheels. walking is almost easier. i want softer wheel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 18, 2024, 07:02:53 AM
Today I skated my X99 for the last time, great wheels but I'm way too used to F4 99.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: tzhangdox on February 18, 2024, 10:40:41 AM
can anyone who uses dragons answer me? i would like to buy one. here is my question: how durable are they, did anyone measure it? i would think to buy a 54mm v1 shape. it is the skinnier one and i want it coz i think it slides easier. how much will it take to wear down to under 50 on daily riding? do i need do buy a new pair every month?

i just hate to skate to spots with hard wheels. walking is almost easier. i want softer wheel.

they wear down faster than f4s for sure
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: frtzgn95 on February 18, 2024, 12:02:05 PM
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can anyone who uses dragons answer me? i would like to buy one. here is my question: how durable are they, did anyone measure it? i would think to buy a 54mm v1 shape. it is the skinnier one and i want it coz i think it slides easier. how much will it take to wear down to under 50 on daily riding? do i need do buy a new pair every month?

i just hate to skate to spots with hard wheels. walking is almost easier. i want softer wheel.
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they wear down faster than f4s for sure

thanks. it sounds really fast.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on February 18, 2024, 02:42:59 PM
Today I skated my X99 for the last time, great wheels but I'm way too used to F4 99.
aight thats the last sign to just go with x97s
i think its a fools errand to try and replace f4 99a
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on February 18, 2024, 03:20:52 PM
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Today I skated my X99 for the last time, great wheels but I'm way too used to F4 99.
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aight thats the last sign to just go with x97s
i think its a fools errand to try and replace f4 99a

haven’t tried x99s.
haven’t spent that much time on the dragons.

first few rides on x97s and i’m impressed. haven’t tried them at a skatepark, but they are nice in the road
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Jack Locke on February 18, 2024, 04:32:41 PM
Just set up some Powell Nano Cubic 58mm 97a. Coming from well worn 60mm Spit 97a conical fulls. Absolutely loved my Spits, these felt really good too. Not sure about smooth parks, but I'm guessing decent. These are on Venture 6.1 with Real risers. Like how they open up the axle. Even better power slide feel


(https://i.ibb.co/z7tRGVK/IMG-20240218-133643511-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MGJVMkq)

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jums on February 18, 2024, 04:59:21 PM
I’m rocking some old beige conical 99F4s. I got 3 X formula wheels on ice I’d like to try as soon as I’m done with this deck. V6 97 and 99. It’s rough as hell anywhere outside the park here. I’m impatiently waiting to try the softer duro to see if it really makes skating rough terrain feel smooth(er).

Finally skated my x97s… and I’m impressed… these dampen, for the lack of a better word, the rough ground if that makes sense… I don’t slow down or feel every vibration from the rough ground. As opposed to F4s where I just get tired of pushing and say fuck it. Very grippy and u have to put some muscle in to slide these wheels unless you’re going Mach 10. Kinda slow on smooth surfaces. I’m sold on these and of the x99s feel good too, and I don’t really think I need 99s, I’m done with buying spitfire’s trash ass wheels.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: jums on February 18, 2024, 05:00:53 PM
I’m rocking some old beige conical 99F4s. I got 3 X formula wheels on ice I’d like to try as soon as I’m done with this deck. V6 97 and 99. It’s rough as hell anywhere outside the park here. I’m impatiently waiting to try the softer duro to see if it really makes skating rough terrain feel smooth(er).

Finally skated my x97s… and I’m impressed… these dampen, for the lack of a better word, the rough ground if that makes sense… I don’t slow down or feel every vibration from the rough ground, and actually entices me to push harder and skate faster as opposed to F4s where I just get tired of pushing and say fuck it. Very grippy and u have to put some muscle in to slide these wheels unless you’re going Mach 10. Kinda slow on smooth surfaces. I’m sold on these and of the x99s feel good too, and I don’t really think I need 99s, I’m done with buying spitfire’s trash ass wheels.

Basically for me, x97s make it less tiring to skate rough ground and F4 99s make it more tiring due to the feel.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 18, 2024, 10:40:28 PM
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Today I skated my X99 for the last time, great wheels but I'm way too used to F4 99.
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aight thats the last sign to just go with x97s
i think its a fools errand to try and replace f4 99a
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haven’t tried x99s.
haven’t spent that much time on the dragons.

first few rides on x97s and i’m impressed. haven’t tried them at a skatepark, but they are nice in the road
X99 are great if you hit street and no perfect ground plazas. In my case I skate places with pretty much perfect ground with the exception of Stalin.
Put back my trusty CF 99 53mm and couldn't be happier with the sole exception that while doing it I realized that 4 bearingd are fucked :(
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on February 22, 2024, 08:25:28 AM
Anyone been on Dial Tone wheels lately? Especially interested in the 101a's. How are they?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on February 22, 2024, 06:43:09 PM
Anyone been on Dial Tone wheels lately? Especially interested in the 101a's. How are they?

(https://www.theoriesofatlantis.com/cdn/shop/products/desaturatedyellow2DialToneWheelCo.ThompsonSkrellandBonesWheels52_54mm2.jpg?v=1633535781&width=1920)
Rode these for a bit while I was on a Classics phase, standard Creative wheels, serviceable but not outstanding, solid wheel for the the $25 range but at full price I'd top up the few dollars for Bones X97 / X99 or Spitfire.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on February 22, 2024, 11:05:14 PM
Anyone been on Dial Tone wheels lately? Especially interested in the 101a's. How are they?
Tried some 99 and they were ok, nothing to go crazy about but if you know what F4 or XWhatever are you'll never be fully satisfied.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on February 23, 2024, 12:02:45 AM
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Anyone been on Dial Tone wheels lately? Especially interested in the 101a's. How are they?
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Rode these for a bit while I was on a Classics phase, standard Creative wheels, serviceable but not outstanding, solid wheel for the the $25 range but at full price I'd top up the few dollars for Bones X97 / X99 or Spitfire.

Ha! I just got those EXACT wheels (54mm, 101A, "classic" shape). Coincidence? I think not.

Anyway, yeah, I'm of course aware of the superiority of F4 and the best Bones formulas (X-Formula, SPF) over others, but still, it's interesting to try something different. Looking forward to riding these on smooth concrete.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Mn_Mike on February 23, 2024, 12:24:07 PM
I've become a big fan of OJs. I loved Spitfire wheels for years. Especially the regular Classics. OJs are just so fucking fast. Little slippery though.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on February 24, 2024, 12:01:40 AM
I've become a big fan of OJs. I loved Spitfire wheels for years. Especially the regular Classics. OJs are just so fucking fast. Little slippery though.

Big fan of OJ Elite Hardline 99s on smooth surfaces. Fast as f*ck, awesome for bowls/transition. No issues with grip for me.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Obijuan91 on February 29, 2024, 09:24:38 PM
Are bones side cut wheels harder to flip?
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: onkalo on February 29, 2024, 10:50:19 PM
Are bones side cut wheels harder to flip?
Sidecuts (v5) feel to me like a slightly conical spitfire classic. Bought them becuse I tought that they’re similar to radial slims. I like them a lot.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on February 29, 2024, 11:24:43 PM
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Are bones side cut wheels harder to flip?
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Sidecuts (v5) feel to me like a slightly conical spitfire classic. Bought them becuse I tought that they’re similar to radial slims. I like them a lot.

My favorite wheel shape from Bones. Nice and slim, not too conical or clunky.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 01, 2024, 12:43:42 AM
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Are bones side cut wheels harder to flip?
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Sidecuts (v5) feel to me like a slightly conical spitfire classic. Bought them becuse I tought that they’re similar to radial slims. I like them a lot.
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My favorite wheel shape from Bones. Nice and slim, not too conical or clunky.

I like that they are reasonably slim for a 54mm, slightly rounder edge would be nice, but this is the closest we get to Radial Slims in 2024.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 05, 2024, 08:09:19 PM
Went through the last couple pages of this thread and am I correct in assuming that X Formula 99a wheels are the best choice for skate parks + occasional rougher street spots?

I finally tried dragon wheels (v6 93a) from a friend and while they felt great riding around in a crusty parking lot, I wasn’t so happy with the slide and as others have noted, aren’t optimal for park skating. Any recommendations would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on March 05, 2024, 11:49:42 PM
Went through the last couple pages of this thread and am I correct in assuming that X Formula 99a wheels are the best choice for skate parks + occasional rougher street spots?

I finally tried dragon wheels (v6 93a) from a friend and while they felt great riding around in a crusty parking lot, I wasn’t so happy with the slide and as others have noted, aren’t optimal for park skating. Any recommendations would be much appreciated.

Opinions vary, but as a potentially happy medium, yes, the Bones X99s might just be the best wheel for a mixture of smooth and rough spots. Mind you, they're a compromise, not a synergical solution -- there's no such thing as a perfect all-around wheel. F4/SPF rule over X-Formula on smooth terrain, but on rough ground the X's take the cake.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 06, 2024, 05:19:02 AM
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Went through the last couple pages of this thread and am I correct in assuming that X Formula 99a wheels are the best choice for skate parks + occasional rougher street spots?

I finally tried dragon wheels (v6 93a) from a friend and while they felt great riding around in a crusty parking lot, I wasn’t so happy with the slide and as others have noted, aren’t optimal for park skating. Any recommendations would be much appreciated.
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Opinions vary, but as a potentially happy medium, yes, the Bones X99s might just be the best wheel for a mixture of smooth and rough spots. Mind you, they're a compromise, not a synergical solution -- there's no such thing as a perfect all-around wheel. F4/SPF rule over X-Formula on smooth terrain, but on rough ground the X's take the cake.

haven’t yet tried the x99s.
bitched wildly about the dragons. now enjoying the dragons more (still haven’t gotten the powerslide slowdowns i want, but also i’m barely skating in a way that is recognizable to my time on a board previous to now: i’m not just trying tricks, im riding around and occasionally doing what erroneously call back 180 Guerrero slides, and just in general up in my head trying to figure out where i got off course….and then i try and fire up the time machine and attempt a nollie flip or what have you. dragons are the best for the aimless cruising).
hopped on a different setups, f4 52 lock-ins vs x97 52 v1’s. much better bearings in the lock-ins. x97s were really easy and didn’t impede any lazy 180 tricks.

none of this was in a park on smooth cement, all asphalt. the bones formulas are noticeably quieter, faster, and gentler, than the f4s, at that particular spot.

maybe this a dumb analogy, but for me, indy’s can ‘do-it-all’ and i know i am due to give them a turn on one of my cobbled together attempts at unearned gains, buuuuuut i also remember that that i usually take the indy’s off and go back to venture or thunder a week later. because although venture and thunder are possibly more limited in what they offer, what they do offer, i like more, for the way i skate.
certain attributes go better with some situations.

in summation (and i apologize), all the wheels are good. everything is good. we just now have more options to dial in on what we spend the most time with, terrain wise.
 
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LeDave on March 06, 2024, 06:40:00 AM
I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk. I am thinking of bumping down the hardness, what do you guys recommend for someone that is kind of new and still learning? I often ride on the street and sometimes at the skate park.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567155442_569d5392ef_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: munchbox on March 06, 2024, 07:02:38 AM
r/skateboarding
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LeDave on March 06, 2024, 07:11:22 AM
r/skateboarding

B-b-b-but I like it here, everyone is so friendly!  :D
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Richard Skidder on March 06, 2024, 07:24:45 AM
I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk. I am thinking of bumping down the hardness, what do you guys recommend for someone that is kind of new and still learning? I often ride on the street and sometimes at the skate park.

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I wouldn’t worry too much about changing wheels/durometers. Hitting pebbles is just part of the game when it comes to skateboarding and will unexpectedly take down even the most seasoned skaters. Just keep at it with what you’ve already setup and spend more time on the board. Comfort will come with time.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 06, 2024, 07:51:23 AM
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that was probably for me, and i agree
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SLACKERPARTY on March 06, 2024, 10:32:38 AM
I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk. I am thinking of bumping down the hardness, what do you guys recommend for someone that is kind of new and still learning? I often ride on the street and sometimes at the skate park.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567155442_569d5392ef_z.jpg)

honestly since ur starting out just enjoy what u have at the moment. pebbles are inevitable at any duro and size. im only saying this cus your tastes are still in development and sure you can nail something thats maybe comfortable for you but gear madness isnt something that should consume u this early on
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 06, 2024, 12:18:05 PM
I had some 95s for a minute and they didn't handle pebbles that better, just a marginally smoother ride. IMO you'd have to go full cruiser wheel. Like a ricta cloud, to deal with pebbles
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: moonordie on March 06, 2024, 11:23:48 PM
I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk. I am thinking of bumping down the hardness, what do you guys recommend for someone that is kind of new and still learning? I often ride on the street and sometimes at the skate park.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567155442_569d5392ef_z.jpg)
I'd recommend less screen time and more skating.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 07, 2024, 08:46:01 PM
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Went through the last couple pages of this thread and am I correct in assuming that X Formula 99a wheels are the best choice for skate parks + occasional rougher street spots?

I finally tried dragon wheels (v6 93a) from a friend and while they felt great riding around in a crusty parking lot, I wasn’t so happy with the slide and as others have noted, aren’t optimal for park skating. Any recommendations would be much appreciated.
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Opinions vary, but as a potentially happy medium, yes, the Bones X99s might just be the best wheel for a mixture of smooth and rough spots. Mind you, they're a compromise, not a synergical solution -- there's no such thing as a perfect all-around wheel. F4/SPF rule over X-Formula on smooth terrain, but on rough ground the X's take the cake.
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haven’t yet tried the x99s.
bitched wildly about the dragons. now enjoying the dragons more (still haven’t gotten the powerslide slowdowns i want, but also i’m barely skating in a way that is recognizable to my time on a board previous to now: i’m not just trying tricks, im riding around and occasionally doing what erroneously call back 180 Guerrero slides, and just in general up in my head trying to figure out where i got off course….and then i try and fire up the time machine and attempt a nollie flip or what have you. dragons are the best for the aimless cruising).
hopped on a different setups, f4 52 lock-ins vs x97 52 v1’s. much better bearings in the lock-ins. x97s were really easy and didn’t impede any lazy 180 tricks.

none of this was in a park on smooth cement, all asphalt. the bones formulas are noticeably quieter, faster, and gentler, than the f4s, at that particular spot.

maybe this a dumb analogy, but for me, indy’s can ‘do-it-all’ and i know i am due to give them a turn on one of my cobbled together attempts at unearned gains, buuuuuut i also remember that that i usually take the indy’s off and go back to venture or thunder a week later. because although venture and thunder are possibly more limited in what they offer, what they do offer, i like more, for the way i skate.
certain attributes go better with some situations.

in summation (and i apologize), all the wheels are good. everything is good. we just now have more options to dial in on what we spend the most time with, terrain wise.

Thank you both for the insights!
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: switchfrontshuv on March 08, 2024, 05:46:56 AM
anyone try the new loopholes
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 08, 2024, 11:12:20 AM
can anyone who uses dragons answer me? i would like to buy one. here is my question: how durable are they, did anyone measure it? i would think to buy a 54mm v1 shape. it is the skinnier one and i want it coz i think it slides easier. how much will it take to wear down to under 50 on daily riding? do i need do buy a new pair every month?

i just hate to skate to spots with hard wheels. walking is almost easier. i want softer wheel.

From my experiences it's a solid wheel. I fuckin beat on um pretty hard.

It's also in my experience that all bones formulas get better with age. Vs spit which is glory supreme from day 1 and the dragons I was cursing day 1- like 20 for being too slick.

Just beware of the bounce and any moisture seen or unseen. The dragons are not to be trusted in any conditions other than bone dry. Especially on barriers and walls.

I'm on the spit 97 for life now. It's EXACTLY what I needed in my life. Totally balanced experience in speed and slide. I am riding 54s and 58s. The 4mm difference is massive.

I ate total shit yesterday too. Was because the rear coni jumps to the side when going diagonal over large lifted cracks.
The radial has a higher chance of remaining straight when pushing over a diagonal crack.

I was holding groceries too.

I wish the og came in 60mm at 97a. Fuckin kill for something like this. Cuz they are lighter than the conical and they have slightly rounded edges. This helps prevents the bloard from jumping to the side when pushing over raised up shit at a glance.

I can't wait to see the 93a spit. Had I known this would happeen I would not had bought the dragons. I got um in my medium good drawer. All spit products make into the top shelf till they are too small.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 08, 2024, 12:29:01 PM
I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du any wheel right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk.

This is skateboarding.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 08, 2024, 12:53:05 PM
I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk. I am thinking of bumping down the hardness, what do you guys recommend for someone that is kind of new and still learning? I often ride on the street and sometimes at the skate park.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567155442_569d5392ef_z.jpg)

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I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du any wheel right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk.
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This is skateboarding.

Agreed, not everywhere is going to be smooth concrete like the park, you gotta learn to push on the rough streets while keeping an eye out for pebbles, cracks, twigs, handicap bumps, pedestrians, dog shit and everything in between.

Even the softest 78a wheels aren't going to roll over pebbles, and it takes time to develop an eye for seeing the path through the crusty streets.

If you're going to learn to skate you're going to have to pay to play.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: LeDave on March 08, 2024, 01:21:45 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. Like what another said, i need to stop staring at the screen so much and skate more. Hopefully the weather continues to comply so that i dont have to pay to skate at the local indoor one much, despite it being my favorite store.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rocklobster on March 08, 2024, 02:30:52 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. Like what another said, i need to stop staring at the screen so much and skate more. Hopefully the weather continues to comply so that i dont have to pay to skate at the local indoor one much, despite it being my favorite store.

Also - wheel graphics face the inside of the board, as god intended
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: dr.prestige on March 08, 2024, 04:44:42 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. Like what another said, i need to stop staring at the screen so much and skate more. Hopefully the weather continues to comply so that i dont have to pay to skate at the local indoor one much, despite it being my favorite store.

Find a parking garage with good coverage from the elements and a nice curb, I’m sure there’s plenty in the Minneapolis area
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fartknocker415 on March 08, 2024, 11:10:29 PM
Imagine in 1 year when le Dave is full slap clone
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: rikki on March 09, 2024, 12:08:48 AM
Imagine in 1 year when le Dave is full slap clone

Bet he can do a blunt to fakie on a quarter better than me in a year.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Fartknocker415 on March 09, 2024, 08:12:03 AM
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Bet he can do a blunt to fakie on a quarter better than me in a year.

He’s gonna be skating cellar doors and purposely mobbing his kickflips in silver tabs and obscure grindcore shirt in no time… limosine deck soon come…


LeDave- limo deck, ace trucks, spitfire formula4 56mm wheels and you’re good to go.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 09, 2024, 11:11:00 AM
If you wanna nearly cancel pebbles and crack you gotta get above 54mm. I rarely get stopped at speed. I always slam on crap going slow
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Post by: SLACKERPARTY on March 09, 2024, 07:29:41 PM
LeDave- limo deck, ace trucks, spitfire formula4 56mm wheels and you’re good to go.
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oh god thats my exact setup at the moment lol

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: TwisT on March 09, 2024, 07:40:15 PM
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Imagine in 1 year when le Dave is full slap clone
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Bet he can do a blunt to fakie on a quarter better than me in a year.
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He’s gonna be skating cellar doors and purposely mobbing his kickflips in silver tabs and obscure grindcore shirt in no time… limosine deck soon come…


LeDave- limo deck, ace trucks, spitfire formula4 56mm wheels and you’re good to go.

No LeDave, lean into DGK. Get some ricta’s go full Shanahan.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: FatGuy92 on March 09, 2024, 07:59:28 PM
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I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk. I am thinking of bumping down the hardness, what do you guys recommend for someone that is kind of new and still learning? I often ride on the street and sometimes at the skate park.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53567155442_569d5392ef_z.jpg)
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I'm using Spitfire 53mm full conical 99du any wheel right now. I almost died running through a pebble on the sidewalk.
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This is skateboarding.
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Agreed, not everywhere is going to be smooth concrete like the park, you gotta learn to push on the rough streets while keeping an eye out for pebbles, cracks, twigs, handicap bumps, pedestrians, dog shit and everything in between.

Even the softest 78a wheels aren't going to roll over pebbles, and it takes time to develop an eye for seeing the path through the crusty streets.

If you're going to learn to skate you're going to have to pay to play.

Fully agree with you but to be completely fair, I didn’t start skating seriously until I was like 25 and it took me a long ass time to feel comfortable on my board. I used OJ keyframes for like a solid year until I felt confident pushing around in the streets and could Ollie/5050 consistently. The softer wheels didn’t prevent me from eating shit but definitely helped me get comfortable.

@LeDave My opinion, if you think softer wheels can help and you can afford them, it wouldn’t hurt to try, but (a BIG but) don’t expect changing your setup to suddenly make you good at skating. Be consistent, push yourself, and don’t let a slam or two stop you from trying.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Ok on March 10, 2024, 12:05:21 PM
i complained, A LOt, about dragons and downhill powerslides. i skate some rough hills and the f4 seem to be able to slip and slide over the top, without digging in as much as the softer dragons.
but. either these dragon wheels are breaking in some, or i’m adjusting them, but they are getting much more manageable. noticeably faster on rough stuff. i had been aiming for rougher patches as a slowdown technique, but the dragons roll (too) well over the rough.
starting to really like em.
dragons. dragons. dislike the name, and powell in general, but the product is nice.
sorry for complaining so much.
i think im really guilty, positive and negative, of over emphasizing 1st session observations. i’ll go out with some new stuff, have a better time than expected, and be all in on it. tell i get to skate again and the novelty wears off.
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2024, 04:02:07 PM
Dafuq?

(https://i.ibb.co/gRMWhRF/Screenshot-2024-03-10-160232.png) (https://ibb.co/gRMWhRF)
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: SLACKERPARTY on March 10, 2024, 06:09:00 PM
Dafuq?

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phallic
Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 15, 2024, 07:59:48 AM
Anyone try the 80HD superwides yet?

The clear Ryan Lee ones have been out for some time and now they have other sizes and colors. Super tempted by the 58mm Orange ones.

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Title: Re: Wheels Thread
Post by: pops on March 15, 2024, 08:58:56 AM
Anyone try the 80HD superwides yet?

The clear Ryan Lee ones have been out for some time and now they have other sizes and colors. Super tempted by the 58mm Orange ones.

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ae3w3/images/stencil/500x659/products/107756/213037/SOO932-1__32249.1710448823.jpg?c=2)

Never tried the regs 80HDs, would love to and even more these wides. Plus, I like orange wheels.

I actually need a soft wheel since my OJ blew up last summer. Spitfire 80hd or rough riders? Dragons are ok but not for much longer distances.