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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Mullet Man on January 10, 2007, 10:12:35 AM
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I have been trying them since '92... and I still can't do 'em.
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ive been able to ollie and thus learn tricks since 93 i just learned how to do 360 flips for good about a year and a half ago. ive had the trick for short spells in the past though.
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it's the backfoot. Fling that bitch. If you want to do it proper, don't do that gay ass split leg thing people are trying to do. Your front foot should be first to catch the board. Keep this thread live and I, along with others will try to work you thru it. For now, just put in your work on it. It'll at least teach you to be comfortable
trying it and setting up for it.
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when I first learned 3 flips, I first did them off of a waxed curb. The wax coupled with the small drop gave it the time to whip around the extra 90 degrees. Once I had it wired off of the curb, it was a lot easier to do on flat. Try it, it might help.
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sanch is right, it's all about the back foot. back when I learned them, around 90-91, I had to learn it off of a curb. but that was when boards were boats, so I'm not too sure if that would help you or not. keep your shoulders square and use that back foot and you should be all right.
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This one has a spot in my heart. It took me about 7 years hahaha no joke i could only get it 270. I tried it some much when i did learn how to do em it felt really natural. Yeah back foot and shoulders square. good call henrey and bruce.
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yup its all in the backfoot. the point is when you are able to do 'm its one of the easiest tricks (i find m easier then kickflips) and you can do m without thinking about it. watch janoskis trick tip that may help.
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I'm not sure what the split leg thing is, however, I try to "airwalk" them like Mr. Lee used to do. I learned them the day that World ad came out with him 360 flipping over the gap and Vallely halfcab method(ing). I also have realized that the "airwalk" method has absolutely nothing to do with how the board flips. It's purely aesthetics. And I do it anyway, or try.
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ive done abour 10 in my life.
They are not fun for me, and they are kinda scary for some reason.
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I'm not sure what the split leg thing is, however, I try to "airwalk" them like Mr. Lee used to do. I learned them the day that World ad came out with him 360 flipping over the gap and Vallely halfcab method(ing). I also have realized that the "airwalk" method has absolutely nothing to do with how the board flips. It's purely aesthetics. And I do it anyway, or try.
that doesn't make sense. It does have to do with flip otherwise he'd/you'd be forcing it. Anyone want to throw up a J Lee tre flip on here so we can see? The split leg thing I'm referring to is when they split their
legs and it is forced, which is NOT how J Lee did them.
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more in the back leg, 360 shove its, and trying them fakie helped.
what's a good example of a split legged one? name?
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holy shit mullet man, the pressure's on now, you have two pros AND batman weighing in here, you better land one....
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my entire skateboarding career
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Out of 7 years of skating I've landed maybe a dozen or so, and most of them were in my first 2 years of skating. I didn't skate much for about 2 years and when I starterd skating more I never really learned them. One of the dozen is captured on film. I'm wearing some nasty looking Circa Muska's and a North Carolina basketball jersey. 2001 was a bad year for my style.
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i somehow learned them before i could kickflip just messing around then i lost them when i could kickflip. it took me another year to relearn them
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If you want to do it proper, don't do that gay ass split leg thing people are trying to do.
You mean how Wade and those dudes do them? Yeah, that sucks.
I first landed tre flips in '92, but they were a complete mess. I dialed them properly in '95. Sanch is right: it's all about the back foot.
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holy shit mullet man, the pressure's on now, you have two pros AND batman weighing in here, you better land one....
dont forget Danzig!
(http://www.katarsis-net.com.ar/wp-images/corbijn/danzig_k.jpg)
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What about Josh Kalis? He splits his legs. But I like the way he does them.
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what's a good example of a split legged one? name?
Dompierres ender in that real video.
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i dont know what you guys have been smoking but nick palmquist has a mean 3 flip and it sounds like you are hating on the way he does them. if thats the case then there is a very good reason you are no longer pro (being that you are a person who shouldnt have wasted all his earnings on cocaine).
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more in the back leg, 360 shove its, and trying them fakie helped.
what's a good example of a split legged one? name?
nick palmquist down that big set in san jose...someone had it as an avatar awhile back.
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I learned them in '91(fakie ones also...woo hoo)....not very good ones though.....I got them *dialed* in '93......I eventually learned switch ones right after that(at the time a great S.K.A.T.E. out).....my knees are thrashed and my regular tre is long gone but the switch ones are still there.....wierd.
getting old sucks.
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only off benches and loading docks when i was 12, now i cant tre flip, i wish i could but i know i cant, some shit just dosent work. id say it took me a month or more of trying (off a bench) it before i could do it. hardflips, frontside flips and tre flips dont like me.
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but sw bigflips......
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360 flips took me about a year or so, with a few tips from friends. Once I learned them they have become my go to trick over gaps and stuff, just because they are a bit odd. Its all about putting your front foot slightly off to the side of the board at a slight angle (your feet should almost form an "L") make it so your back foot is on the tail so that if you were barefoot you could rap your toes around the tail. Another thing that helps is to put your feet a little closer together than normal for that extra leverage. Then just flick the shit out of it, like Sanch said, with BOTH feet, making sure to whip that back one around, focusing mostly on the shove it aspect of the flip. If your feet are proper the flip will just happen. When you jump for it, really suck your feet up, its gotta spin for a second in the air before you land back on it. Also, at first for me I would kind of fly in front of the board, so don't leap ahead of the board, flick it in front of you. Trying them fakie or on a bank back to fakie is a bit easier at first. The key to this one is in the weird foot position and the fact that you use the back foot a lot more than in most flip tricks. Just keep practicing, try to get the board to flip faster and tighter, just flick 'em and whip 'em around a bunch and you'll get the motion. at first doing it off a bump helped because it gives you extra time in the air and the way your weight transfers works well with them. Hopefully this helps, we all got our achilles heel, mine are frontside flips. But if it makes you feel any better I tried backside smiths for about ten years before I just recently learned them. And because I worked so hard at it it felt that much better.
only off benches and loading docks when i was 12, now i cant tre flip, i wish i could but i know i cant, some shit just dosent work. id say it took me a month or more of trying (off a bench) it before i could do it. hardflips, frontside flips and tre flips dont like me.
A shocking revelation! didn't you nollie 360 flip into a back tail or something? and fakie tre back nosegrind? Thats weird. Guy just said in his transworld interview that he can only do 'em switch.
And yeah, frontside flips and hardflips don't like me either, I think their just haters though, so I wouldn't worry so much.
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I haven't done a frontside flip or a hardflip either since '93....I never could stand how hardflips felt.....so once I learned them it was like whatever.....I burnt myself out on frontside flips....I used to always laugh at those dudes who did frontside flips on flat with the "ultra-fast pivot" ala Ulliud"Shorty" Gonzalez circa New Deal days....
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more in the back leg, 360 shove its, and trying them fakie helped.
what's a good example of a split legged one? name?
nick's are the best ever down gaps, he did this one over a 10 stair hubba, i wish he would of used that trick in the pharmacy video. there is no real way to describe it except the sound of his bearings whistling and the foot stomp grab, i guess you would just have to see it.
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Forgot who mentioned it here, and yeah you can tre flip with pretty much any board, but set-up plays a small role. I'd imagine a deck with a more in-set wheelbase would be easier to rotate.
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360 flips took me about a year or so, with a few tips from friends. Once I learned them they have become my go to trick over gaps and stuff, just because they are a bit odd. Its all about putting your front foot slightly off to the side of the board at a slight angle (your feet should almost form an "L") make it so your back foot is on the tail so that if you were barefoot you could rap your toes around the tail. Another thing that helps is to put your feet a little closer together than normal for that extra leverage. Then just flick the shit out of it, like Sanch said, with BOTH feet, making sure to whip that back one around, focusing mostly on the shove it aspect of the flip. If your feet are proper the flip will just happen. When you jump for it, really suck your feet up, its gotta spin for a second in the air before you land back on it. Also, at first for me I would kind of fly in front of the board, so don't leap ahead of the board, flick it in front of you. Trying them fakie or on a bank back to fakie is a bit easier at first. The key to this one is in the weird foot position and the fact that you use the back foot a lot more than in most flip tricks. Just keep practicing, try to get the board to flip faster and tighter, just flick 'em and whip 'em around a bunch and you'll get the motion. at first doing it off a bump helped because it gives you extra time in the air and the way your weight transfers works well with them. Hopefully this helps, we all got our achilles heel, mine are frontside flips. But if it makes you feel any better I tried backside smiths for about ten years before I just recently learned them. And because I worked so hard at it it felt that much better.
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only off benches and loading docks when i was 12, now i cant tre flip, i wish i could but i know i cant, some shit just dosent work. id say it took me a month or more of trying (off a bench) it before i could do it. hardflips, frontside flips and tre flips dont like me.
A shocking revelation! didn't you nollie 360 flip into a back tail or something? and fakie tre back nosegrind? Thats weird. Guy just said in his transworld interview that he can only do 'em switch.
And yeah, frontside flips and hardflips don't like me either, I think their just haters though, so I wouldn't worry so much.
fakie, nollie and switch work, but regular ones, maybe every once and awhile on flat. i know, its regular. my trick ability is always random.
im bummed, i kind of lost front foot impossibles and i was planing to take that one down at the double stack contest, ill be traveling by boat to get to melbourne. and if anyone is down to go that would be great! i need someone paddling on the left side during this extreme journey.
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Forgot who mentioned it here, and yeah you can tre flip with pretty much any board, but set-up plays a small role. I'd imagine a deck with a more in-set wheelbase would be easier to rotate.
Guy's board before they took it off the market the first time had a really pointy tail, perfect for 360 flips.
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Whenever I get it to flip right, I'm always too far in the back seat. Also, I have problems getting my back foot around to land it. Some dudes get it to flip so fast and perfect, it looks so easy. Just... flowing!
When y'all do it, do you ride straight or do you carve backside a tiny bit going into the flip? I find that it makes it rotate easier. I also noticed some people, like Herman, carve frontside a little. And his flip fast and good. So maybe it doesn't matter. But watch Baker 3 when he does a bunch in a row down those steps. He like tic-tacs frontside right before the flip.
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ha those steps are fucking sweet dude. I was so psyched to see they made it in that video. When I was skating them, probably about 35 construction workers came out of no where to watch and cheer me on. the funny thing is that right around the corner of those sets, there's a big 10 stair with a perfect rail that I've never seen in any videos. quite odd
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Watch every single Stefan Janoski video part and take notes.
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im bummed, i kind of lost front foot impossibles and i was planing to take that one down at the double stack contest, ill be traveling by boat to get to melbourne. and if anyone is down to go that would be great! i need someone paddling on the left side during this extreme journey.
Well i am already in melbourne so we can skate when you get here but the world cup is in sydney this year and i think the double set is in queensland. i dont have a car so factor in the time it will take us to skate there.
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i think i like to start straight over the board maybe leaning back a little and then jump forward a little bit onto the board. the most important part for me is to lift my legs because it seems to lift the board and get a nicer flip.
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Forgot who mentioned it here, and yeah you can tre flip with pretty much any board, but set-up plays a small role. I'd imagine a deck with a more in-set wheelbase would be easier to rotate.
sheffeys boards had that too. i used to love those boards in the good ol' pre china days
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I've been skating 5 years and still can't do em, I never tried that hard to learn em though.
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kevin taylors aethetics 'wanted dread or alive' board
had the best tre tail ever
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i used to try three sixty flips all the time and i could flip them most of the time nicely and land ith the back foot on it.....this went on for about four years and then a month or two i just decided to jump on it a different way and ive been able to do them every since. they feel nice. paul shier's are my favorite
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I can get them pretty consistently, but they're sort of mobbed.
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the forced split leg tre flip is real lame, even lamer with pop shuvits
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i wanna say 1990 i was riding this zorlac aaron deeter, i remember landing 270 ones standing still, not sure exactly when i started trying them. around 92 i had em fairly good. id say now its one of the only tricks i know im going to land 90% of the time. everything sanch and jayme have said are right on point.
back foot,focus on flinging and popping it, front foot doesnt do much.keep your shoulders straight.
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when i land them, i land on the board so hard that i cant roll away, i just stop, or i pivit and roll away
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Nobody said this, but it's the way I do them when I just want to putz around:
Turn your back leg sort of inwards, so your feet are close to parallel. I don't put my front foot completely facing forward, but a decent angle. When you scoop, try to kinda step off your back foot and just naturally jump towards where the board is supposed to land. It should be about a foot or so in front of where you pop them from.
If you slow-mo someone like Stefan doing them, you'll see when he scoops, his foot turns the direction it would be if you put your foot in the position I'm describing.
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i seriously have landed about 4 my whole life....i did a couple on that sal barbier raiders board....and a few more in the last couple years after i relearned kickflips....the whole trick is alot of work...i don't have the energy....to me it still feels like a trick that's only possible if I do it off of something.....and at this point..i don't do anything off of something....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LtgzYnI6o
Such good catches for just on flat, really lofty.
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im bummed, i kind of lost front foot impossibles and i was planing to take that one down at the double stack contest, ill be traveling by boat to get to melbourne. and if anyone is down to go that would be great! i need someone paddling on the left side during this extreme journey.
Well i am already in melbourne so we can skate when you get here but the world cup is in sydney this year and i think the double set is in queensland. i dont have a car so factor in the time it will take us to skate there.
is it in febuary this year? i better get going if we are going to skate there. the plane ride from melbourne to sydney is only an hour and some change, i think, but isnt it somwere around an 18 hour drive? imagine, we leave sydney, skate all the way to the double set just in time for a first try front foot down that shiz, people will be thinking wow! with no warm up? nothing like a 5 day skate decathalon to get yourself pumped!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LtgzYnI6o
Such good catches for just on flat, really lofty.
My Mike-Mo avatar shits all over the ones he did...
Hell, I can do them better than the ones he filmed for that video. Don't get me wrong, Stefan is the man and I know he has that trick better than me. I just don't get how those are that impressive is all.
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2 years, maybe a bit more.....
i remember an old skater friend of mine doing them like varial flips, weird
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one of my favourites, i learnt it in 89 after seeing the jason lee sequence/how to in transworld. still have that sequence, its by my desk now.
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too long.8 years.fakie ones seem easier to stay over.definitely a back foot thing.If you can do 360 shuvits first it helps.having said all that i suck at tres.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LtgzYnI6o
Such good catches for just on flat, really lofty.
Hell, I can do them better than the ones he filmed for that video. Don't get me wrong, Stefan is the man and I know he has that trick better than me. I just don't get how those are that impressive is all.
You're clearly out of your mind.
Because I don't think the 6 inch high ones he filmed for Show Me The Way are impressive means I'm out of my mind? Right.
He can do them far better than the ones he filmed. I don't see where this "lofty catch" is on there.
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i can 360°flip like 1 of 3 tries, but it's far away from beeing my favourite trick ... too much effort for me
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still havent learned them after like 5-6 years of skating :-[
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ive got my fakie tres locked, my normal ones 1 of 6 tries... on a good day
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When I was younger I was real close with them, I could flip them and land on them but I would either land with only one foot or my board would shoot out from under me. I spent some time recently trying them again and it was more of the same. I think I will work on them again, it's always bugged me that I never learned them.
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One day I'll be able to do them 3 out of 4 times and other days I won't even be able to land one. I don't know if I'll ever get them premanent.
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jeremy klein's checkout in TWS said it best..there's really no way to explain how to do em. just get off your ass and keep trying. i learned them in about three or four years on a gabriel 101 jesus deck. i pulled one then my friend pulled his first seconds after mine. dude got hyped. i can do em every now and then if i have something that'll chuck em like a hip or something. i'm too old to whip em on flat now.
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it took me about 1 year to learn. i forgot how to do it after that and they're pretty crappy now. wormburners all the way and not really consistent. I never do em anyway.
Not having the fs flip/hardflip problems though. i love those.
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is it weird that I can't do hardflips but frontside flips come easily? I remember someone saying that when they went to learn varial heels, they did them like frontside heels and gradually weened their body off of turning. you think this would work in the same case?
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it sounds a bit weird with varial heels could they'd possibly look like shit but i did it when learning to hardflip. it's al about confidence, don't hesitate. (also learning real fs shovits helps)
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I WAS BORN DOING THEM SO THAT IS THE ONLY TRICK I DO
THAT IS WHY I AM ON LAKAI
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does any one else that can do them feel like standing straight up but over your back foot helps?
i find that if im over my front foot to much i have a hard time getting it.
also i cant do them fakie.
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Worst alias ever.
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I have been skating since 86, and it took me until probably like 91 or 92 until I started landing tre flips, but I have never had them really consistently until the past couple years. So, it took me nearly 20 years to get them on lock! I think that I messed myself up by learning Impossibles first, then nearly every time I tried a tre flip I’d do an impossible. I had to finally stop doing impossibles to get the tres on lock. I think that it is a lot easier to learn tre flips by doing them off stuff, like a little 3 set or a curb or something, so that your board has more time to flip and spin. I could do them off things before I learned them well on flat ground.
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learned them about a year and half ago, but it was something like half a year ago when i learned to do them properly,so it took about 6 years to learn a proper treflip.
i think i learned nollie and fakie ones first, then switch. now nollie and regular treflips are the most fun for me. it's the best feeling when you land a perfect treflip, always gets me stoked
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first off i will agree with sanch and others about using the back foot to "sweep" the board. it's not a violent sweep but a controlled one. if you dont sweep it proper, forget it.
the one thing people havn't discussed is the fact that the front foot should control the spin. look at that one mike-mo avatar that dude has. look at how mike-mo's front foot doesn't do much in terms of movement. the front leg in a tre flip is all foot/toe action. the board should spin off the inside of your front foot by the big toe. don't force it around with the front foot though. the proper back foot sweep should make the board go 360 and the front foot should control the rest.
that's why dudes like york and janoski can kick out the backfoot the way they do. however, i'm not someone who thinks you need that much flare on a 360 flip. but that's just me.
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I just wanna fuckin' land one. I don't care how skanky it looks.
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how's it comin along
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i learnt them pretty recently and i can still barely ever get them i dont really care cause i dont do many kickflip tricks
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it took many days in my garage to finally get these, and now i lost them. dear 360 flips please come back
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how's it comin along
It's not. It's been raining constantly here, except for yesterday and today, in which it snowed.
When I'm super stoked, I can get it to flip right... but I'm always in the back seat. And I have trouble getting my back foot back around to land after the sweep. The sweep I got. It's the rest of the motion that has always fucked with me. And when I'm right on top of it, I often can't get it to make the full rotation, my feet catch the bottom side of the board. And to top it all off, they make me mad tired, so I only get so many tries before I have to take a break.
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never have, never will.
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i cant kickflip and probably never will be able to, but for some reason i recently began to think i can learn 360 flips if i try them off of a hip or something, but it hasnt been nice in a week.
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its all in the back foot, as others have said. after you got that theyre not very hard. its an overused trick anyway, everyone does them in every line in every video
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i would say a couple of months. however ikid og lost em. i dont hame as good as i used to. so im just trying to get them back.
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Nollie 360 and switch 360 flips are easier than regs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LtgzYnI6o
Such good catches for just on flat, really lofty.
Hell, I can do them better than the ones he filmed for that video. Don't get me wrong, Stefan is the man and I know he has that trick better than me. I just don't get how those are that impressive is all.
You're clearly out of your mind.
He can do them far better than the ones he filmed. I don't see where this "lofty catch" is on there.
He makes them look really really easy. It shows just how much board control he has. If you don't realize how good those threeflips are you must not understand whats good.
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He makes them look really really easy. It shows just how much board control he has. If you don't realize how good those threeflips are you must not understand whats good.
<----- That. That is good. By the way, they ARE easy.
Board control isn't even a matter with 360 flips, you just fucking scoop your back foot and jump and that's all. There's nothing to control except sticking your foot out and waiting for it to come back around. You can do all the stupid acrobatic shit you want with your back foot for show but that's all it really boils down to.
I guess you and I have a different opinion of what denotes "good" 360 flips. I like them popped high and caught high. You still didn't explain to me where you see the lofty catch.
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I like how it goes perfectly to his front foot and just stops, and then slowly floats down.
No awkward stressed pop, no awkward stomp. It is just really smooth
This is a stupid arguement, I really don't care.
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I tried them for probably an hour yesterday and got nothing. Didn't even land with one foot on. I got one that fliped kind of right but I think I am flicking it too hard because the flip and spin all crazy.
Who ever posted the tip about putting your weight on your back foot and jumping off it, thanks. I know that shit seems so obvious but it really helped out all my flip tricks which definitely need some work.
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I was more of a templeton guy than a jason lee guy.....
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Oh, bs heelflips, I presume...
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRS
ITS BACK FOOT NOT FRONT
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I was more of a templeton guy than a jason lee guy.....
You got a sweet impossible then?
How do you keep them wrapped around the foot right? Mine always turn out looking almost like a 360 shoveit
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a key thng fo rme, besides the guidence of your back foot. i sorta turn my weight to the right (goofy) away from the spin of the trick, it lets you snap it hard and not over rotate it, so you can catch it jsu tpast 270, sorta keeping it infront of you....i hope that sounds right.
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It's doesn't - it's totally confusing.
You say you jump away from the direction of the scoop (right), but when you're goofy-footed, you scoop the board to the right. So how is that opposite?
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if u skate u skate thats all there is to it. u can be the tite black pant zelda cut kid or the big pants and small wheel kid, it doesnt matter. ther is no certain look for a skater anymore.
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easy
took a week of trying