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Skateboarding => Travel Guide => Topic started by: sexualhelon on February 01, 2015, 07:03:13 PM
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So I'll be heading to SE Asia in April and making a 4 day stopover in Tokyo on the way. Any Slap pals around or have tips to give? I've been to Bangkok plenty of times so I know about all the parks and a few spots but if anyone lives there and is down to hang out/skate lemme know! I haven't ever been to Tokyo before so any info or locals willing to hang out would be appreciated. I'll be around SE Asia for about a month and haven't decided where else I'll be going yet.
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So I'll be heading to SE Asia in April and making a 4 day stopover in Tokyo on the way. Any Slap pals around or have tips to give? I've been to Bangkok plenty of times so I know about all the parks and a few spots but if anyone lives there and is down to hang out/skate lemme know! I haven't ever been to Tokyo before so any info or locals willing to hang out would be appreciated. I'll be around SE Asia for about a month and haven't decided where else I'll be going yet.
I'll actually be in Tokyo for work from April to June so if you wanna link up I'm down.
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For sure, I'll be there from the 1st - 6th.
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For sure, I'll be there from the 1st - 6th.
OK. I work week days 10-6. Weekends and national holidays off.
Let me know if there is anything in particular you want to hit up. I'll PM you my contact info.
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dropping by Singapore? we got some parks, one at Somerset (right in the middle of the shopping district) and a huge one at East Coast Park, huge bowels, some stairs, ledges, proper park...
we got a bunch of street spots, PM me if you need more details.
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Will be in Hanoi in April if you want to cruise. Let me know!
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Nah, I don't think I'm going to make it to Singapore or Hanoi. The only thing set is Tokyo April 2nd through the 5th then Bangkok. I'll be in Thailand from the 5th through the 22nd roaming around - might pop over into Cambodia or take a short trip to Burma though.
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Odaiba is worth it (probably not Sat/Sun).
The area around the Emperor's palace/Yurakucho has lots of stuff (but it will need to be a national holiday).
Parks in Shibuya, Shin Yokohama and Hachioji are all fun (probably in the reverse of that order). Hachioji is a hike without a car though...
Sakura Gicho is worth going for the ambience but I think all of the big spots have been fucked up.
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Nah, I don't think I'm going to make it to Singapore or Hanoi. The only thing set is Tokyo April 2nd through the 5th then Bangkok. I'll be in Thailand from the 5th through the 22nd roaming around - might pop over into Cambodia or take a short trip to Burma though.
There's a few decent spots in Phnom Penh if you do get to Cambodia. I lived there a few years back and skated a bit with some locals. Mainly flatground in plazas but there's some banks and ledges around. There's a pretty weird roller-skating rink on the roof of the Sorya Mall that has a pretty sketchy quarter-pipe/ bank type thing in it that could be fun. It was always pretty packed though, and the signs say no skateboards but if you slip the dude a few bucks he might let you in. I think a skate shop opened up there last year maybe so if you head there I'm sure they'll look after you. If you go up to Siem Reap there's a mini ramp on the roof of a pub which could be a bit of fun, I never got to skate it.
On a side note, while I was living there I happened to come across some of Jonathan Mehring's photos of the place. I sent him an email just to say how I liked his work, and that I was living there. He replied that Kenny Reed and a few other pros were heading to PP in the next few weeks and would I mind if he put us in touch. Of course I didn't mind if he put me in touch with one of my favourite skaters! So Kenny emailed me and asked if I could show him and a bunch of other dudes around some spots, but I had to head back to Australia for a stupid wedding so I missed them. Bummed.
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I have been living in Bangkok for the past 8 years, and I have been to Burma (Myanmar) about 20 times. I am familiar with the skate scene in Myanmar so if you plan on going over there, send me a PM and I will put you in touch with the right people. I went to Cambodia with Kenny (he is one of my best friends) and Fred Gall came with us as well. We met up with Jonathan Mehring while we were there and had a great time. If you want any info on Skateistan in Cambodia, I can also hook you up with the right people. I am just trying to being helpful, so if you would like any info, feel free to send me a PM……..cheers, michael
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Will be in Bangkok from the 21st to 25th of April if anyone wants to kick it and skate around old man style.
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Heading to Bangkok in September.
Going to be with my girl so skating is pretty much out of the question but would like to visit a local shop while I'm out there.
Can anyone here recommend the best place to go?
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Heading to Bangkok in September.
Going to be with my girl so skating is pretty much out of the question but would like to visit a local shop while I'm out there.
Can anyone here recommend the best place to go?
There is a place with an indoor park in a shopping mall. It isn't the best thing but it has air conditioning and is cheap. There is a shop next to it too. Not the best selection of stuff (Emerica/Etnies/Volcom/Crail tap etc). Might be an ok place to go because your girl could look about in the mall too. There are restaurants and a cinema too...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/)
That's their Flickr, there was no bowl when I went though. Also, it is very close to metro stop.
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Heading to Bangkok in September.
Going to be with my girl so skating is pretty much out of the question but would like to visit a local shop while I'm out there.
Can anyone here recommend the best place to go?
There is a place with an indoor park in a shopping mall. It isn't the best thing but it has air conditioning and is cheap. There is a shop next to it too. Not the best selection of stuff (Emerica/Etnies/Volcom/Crail tap etc). Might be an ok place to go because your girl could look about in the mall too. There are restaurants and a cinema too...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/)
That's their Flickr, there was no bowl when I went though. Also, it is very close to metro stop.
Cheers!
You lived in Japan right? Is skate stuff out there cheaper or about the same?
Would be nice to stock up on some shit.
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Heading to Bangkok in September.
Going to be with my girl so skating is pretty much out of the question but would like to visit a local shop while I'm out there.
Can anyone here recommend the best place to go?
There is a place with an indoor park in a shopping mall. It isn't the best thing but it has air conditioning and is cheap. There is a shop next to it too. Not the best selection of stuff (Emerica/Etnies/Volcom/Crail tap etc). Might be an ok place to go because your girl could look about in the mall too. There are restaurants and a cinema too...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/)
That's their Flickr, there was no bowl when I went though. Also, it is very close to metro stop.
You lived in Japan right? Is skate stuff out there cheaper or about the same?
Would be nice to stock up on some shit.
I used to live there but I'm in Hong Kong now. Skate stuff in Japan should be more expensive than the U.S. around 8000-9000 a board, unless you get a sale board. Bangkok should be cheaper, I think. That shop had a table full of reduced boards. If I remember rightly, there were loads of Girl boards...
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Heading to Bangkok in September.
Going to be with my girl so skating is pretty much out of the question but would like to visit a local shop while I'm out there.
Can anyone here recommend the best place to go?
There is a place with an indoor park in a shopping mall. It isn't the best thing but it has air conditioning and is cheap. There is a shop next to it too. Not the best selection of stuff (Emerica/Etnies/Volcom/Crail tap etc). Might be an ok place to go because your girl could look about in the mall too. There are restaurants and a cinema too...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/wza/sets/72157607978160792/with/2936781363/)
That's their Flickr, there was no bowl when I went though. Also, it is very close to metro stop.
You lived in Japan right? Is skate stuff out there cheaper or about the same?
Would be nice to stock up on some shit.
I used to live there but I'm in Hong Kong now. Skate stuff in Japan should be more expensive than the U.S. around 8000-9000 a board, unless you get a sale board. Bangkok should be cheaper, I think. That shop had a table full of reduced boards. If I remember rightly, there were loads of Girl boards...
Sorry, I live in Japan. I meant Japan versus Thailand. Decks are even more expensive here now.
You'll be lucky to find one in a shop under 10,000. Decently priced shoes in my size is really what I need though.
Since I can't come back with an STD from a ladyboy or some ya ba smuggled in my butthole this time, was hoping to grab some proddy on the cheap.
Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.
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Yaba. Crazy Thais!
When I first got to Japan in 98, boards were 10,000 to 12,000 new. Such a burn!
There is this place which is quite cheap on Rakuten. They are pretty friendly.
http://www.rakuten.co.jp/cutback/ (http://www.rakuten.co.jp/cutback/)
I always used to buy stuff from here. Loads of boards! If you get the chance to go to the shop, it is quite a trip...1/2 old school Japanese stationary store, 1/2 skateboards. The owner is a good guy too.
http://r-fskate.com/ (http://r-fskate.com/)
They have a load of boards and postage was only 500 yen I think.
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Anyone in Vietnam?! I am in serious need of some older dude skate time :-\
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http://r-fskate.com/ (http://r-fskate.com/)
They have a load of boards and postage was only 500 yen I think.
Shit yeah, thanks! Totally forgot about RF skate.
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Alright, I talked my woman into going to a ping pong show.
Any good places or places I should definitely avoid?
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I'm planning a trip to Tokyo and looks like the time frame that would work best would be January sometime, or the latest in February. Are these horrible times weather wise for skating, chilling, etc.. Tokyo pals, help me out.
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Coldest time of the year doe
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I'm planning a trip to Tokyo and looks like the time frame that would work best would be January sometime, or the latest in February. Are these horrible times weather wise for skating, chilling, etc.. Tokyo pals, help me out.
That's a matter of perspective I suppose. It's cold but not too cold to skate and kick it in the streets at night.
If you're coming from someplace warm then yeah you'll probably be bummed.
You can skate year round here but I'd say the worst month for skating is June as it just rains non-stop.
Edit: If you do come out feel free to hit me up. I'll take you out boozing and cruising.
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I'm planning a trip to Tokyo and looks like the time frame that would work best would be January sometime, or the latest in February. Are these horrible times weather wise for skating, chilling, etc.. Tokyo pals, help me out.
If you're coming from someplace warm then yeah you'll probably be bummed.
You can skate year round here but I'd say the worst month for skating is June as it just rains non-stop.
Edit: If you do come out feel free to hit me up. I'll take you out boozing and cruising.
Ha..sounds good. Definitely will.
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Hey, figured id start here rather than starting a new thread!
Im moving to bangkok with my girl. Wondering about what people have to say about it skating wise.
Any suggestions as far as do's and dont's and just any recommendations you guys might have!
we will be living around the thonburi district most likely. Looked up a bunch of videos and im pretty excited
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Hey, figured id start here rather than starting a new thread!
Im moving to bangkok with my girl. Wondering about what people have to say about it skating wise.
Any suggestions as far as do's and dont's and just any recommendations you guys might have!
we will be living around the thonburi district most likely. Looked up a bunch of videos and im pretty excited
Bangkok is rad. Good food, people are cool, and tons of shit to do.
There are a lot of really good spots around the city. Defo hit up Preduce skate shop in Siam square.
Aod is usually behind the counter I think, he's a cool guy once you get him talking.
There is also a backyard bowl built by the Felem guys in the Bang Rak area I believe.
A Japanese dude lives in the house where it's located at. Chat him up for permission to skate it and you should be good.
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Didn't see this mentioned, any slap pals living in Bangkok? Heading there in June for 6 months at least, looking to chill, cruise.
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Just as a heads up, the Felem bowl I mentioned above got tore down.
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Just as a heads up, the Felem bowl I mentioned above got tore down.
I had noticed there was some whatever skatepark in some mall but had this killer looking mini bowl. I guess the park is still there but they took out the bowl which blows because it's most likely the only thing I'd want to skate.
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I never went to the indoor so I can't really comment on that.
There are a lot of great street spots but the roads are pretty gnarly. Rough ground, lots of people and heavy traffic.
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I never went to the indoor so I can't really comment on that.
There are a lot of great street spots but the roads are pretty gnarly. Rough ground, lots of people and heavy traffic.
Way more into real spots with marble/cement type ground these days but looks like that type of ground only exist at the skateparks in Bkk. Guess that's where I'll be chillin most of the time :-\
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There are spots with smooth ground all over I just meant the streets/ sidewalks in general, meaning that pushing around the city kinda sucks.
I mostly explored along Sukhumvit road and the area around Watpo and the palace etc. They don't really have any parks out there from what i gathered.
If you go to Preduce in Siam Square the dudes there with sort you out with spots to go.
Bangkok is rad, you'll have a good time.
And heads up if you're coming from the States, product is pretty pricey so bring all you can.
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There are spots with smooth ground all over I just meant the streets/ sidewalks in general, meaning that pushing around the city kinda sucks.
I mostly explored along Sukhumvit road and the area around Watpo and the palace etc. They don't really have any parks out there from what i gathered.
If you go to Preduce in Siam Square the dudes there with sort you out with spots to go.
Bangkok is rad, you'll have a good time.
And heads up if you're coming from the States, product is pretty pricey so bring all you can.
Yo Jive T, who makes Preduce decks? I know other smaller shops here make decks also, but I assume they are made in thailand but wasn't sure about Preduce since they try to be the most legit. Any clue?
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Bumping with Jenkem's new article. A guide to skateboarding in Tokyo. Did anyone see this?
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/08/08/travelers-guide-tokyo/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/08/08/travelers-guide-tokyo/)
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Bumping with Jenkem's new article. A guide to skateboarding in Tokyo. Did anyone see this?
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/08/08/travelers-guide-tokyo/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/08/08/travelers-guide-tokyo/)
Yup good shit Naz!
This stuff is important.
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twas pretty well written/ fairly accurate
what I wouldn't give to be 21 again and living in Tokyo
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I figured I'd revive this thread because it's sort of the same ole', same ole'.
I'll be in Bangkok all of May then cruising through Cambodia and Vietnam the month after. Any of you guys ever been to Cambodia or Vietnam? What cities would you visit and how long would you stay in them?
Definitely visiting South Korea and Japan after but thinking about doing a stopover in between. Maybe Taiwan? Seems interesting and I haven't been. Hong Kong (already been) and Philippines are also in the back of my head but...eh. Thought about China but not sure I feel like dealing with the visa or the great firewall of China atm.
On the Japan note - Jive, Gay Imp, or anyone else - do you have any friends who teach English there? How do they like it? The lady and I are thinking about doing it since we could apparently get away with only teaching 22 hours or so a week. Leaves us enough time to still work on side projects while allowing us to stay in Japan for a year. I'd originally messaged someone about doing it in China but they said Japan would be our best bet since my lady meets all the qualifications sans being a native English speaker.
Also, if anyone's around these places when I'm there let's link up for some skating and brews.
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Vietnam - defs hit up Hanoi, I think I liked it better than Ho Chi Minh. I was in Hanoi last month and hit up https://pasteurstreet.com there were dudes skating downstairs too! Also Vietnam has tonnes of yummy/ cheap vegan eats!!!
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English teaching in Japan is ... (like porn) something you do while you're young to pay the bills/ fund your travelling, I defs wouldn't do it long term as it can get stale pretty quickly. Bear in mind I'm talking about working for English conversation schools here and not cushy jobs at big name universities. Japan, in most cases, doesn't really give a fuck if you have qualifications, as long as you "look" foreign (i.e. white) you'll pretty much be able to get a job. Will you be coming on a working holiday visa? You'll need some sort of working visa and if you don't have one then a company won't sponsor you unless you sign on for a year or so with them. Most of the bigger English teaching schools are kinda like sweat shops and while their conditions might seem okay on paper, the reality is often quite different.
JET Programme is the cushiest way to do it but while you might only "teach" 22 hours a week, you'll still be required to sit in the schools (and rot) from 9-5. The only hurdle with JET is that it's quite competitive (?) and you have to apply from within your own country/ outside of Japan. Jive probs has lots to say on this too so I'll leave stop here and then chime in a bit later.
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Vietnam - defs hit up Hanoi, I think I liked it better than Ho Chi Minh. I was in Hanoi last month and hit up https://pasteurstreet.com there were dudes skating downstairs too! Also Vietnam has tonnes of yummy/ cheap vegan eats!!!
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English teaching in Japan is ... (like porn) something you do while you're young to pay the bills/ fund your travelling, I defs wouldn't do it long term as it can get stale pretty quickly. Bear in mind I'm talking about working for English conversation schools here and not cushy jobs at big name universities. Japan, in most cases, doesn't really give a fuck if you have qualifications, as long as you "look" foreign (i.e. white) you'll pretty much be able to get a job. Will you be coming on a working holiday visa? You'll need some sort of working visa and if you don't have one then a company won't sponsor you unless you sign on for a year or so with them. Most of the bigger English teaching schools are kinda like sweat shops and while their conditions might seem okay on paper, the reality is often quite different.
JET Programme is the cushiest way to do it but while you might only "teach" 22 hours a week, you'll still be required to sit in the schools (and rot) from 9-5. The only hurdle with JET is that it's quite competitive (?) and you have to apply from within your own country/ outside of Japan. Jive probs has lots to say on this too so I'll leave stop here and then chime in a bit later.
Jah, I've heard so many mixed reviews on Vietnam but no one's said it's not worth visiting. A good few many of my friends said they loved it and one's actually living in Hanoi now. Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely hit them up.
Cambodia is another story. Siem Reap looks to be a sprung up tourist town to base yourself in for seeing temples. I might not even do the temples since I'm pretty templed out at this point and it's $40 for Angkor Wat. Pub Street in Siem Reap seems like a bastard son of Khao Sahn road - which I avoid when in BK. Tourists being arrested fairly recently for "pornographic dancing" is pretty nuts: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/28/five-britons-arrested-pornographic-dancing-cambodia.
For some reason no one seems to be too fond of Phnom Penh. One of my close friends said it's just a sketch, dirty city full of child prostitution awareness billboards. Still, I'm more attracted to cities so Phnom Penh is initially more alluring to me when it comes to my interests: craft beer, vegan stuff, coffee, and skateboarding. There's actually a Skateistan in Phnom Penh. Not that I'm only looking for "western" stuff though - I don't think I've had any western food in 5 months unless you count craft beer/cold brew coffee haha.
What you're saying sounds about like what I've read while researching teaching English in Japan. Some people get stuck in schools with some combination of stringent bureaucracy / no holidays / odd hours etc... A general recommendation is to research the school before signing on and reach out to someone who's already teaching there for some inside info. This is all more if you're going through a recruiter/TEFL program which is what we were thinking about doing. It would be at a language school and they would want a one year contract so you're right on that.
If you're "feet on the ground" searching your odds are better. Dude straight up told us if we like Vietnam to just look around when we're there and we'd for sure find something. To my understanding, especially in Japan, they'd prefer to meet and interview in person (aka in Japan). My lady isn't so into the idea of dropping down and doing the search. She'd prefer the TEFL program since they do everything for you and it comes with the perks of things like end of year bonus, airfare reimbursement, apt. assistance, etc... A lot of the TEFL programs won't work with her though since she's not a native English speaker but she meets the requirements for some (high IELTS score, English degree) and is arguably whiter than me haha.
I'd have more options if doing it on my own. I initially emailed this guy about a shorter program in China (5 months) but he said they wouldn't take my lady and Japan would be our best bet. She's actually planning to apply for the New Zealand working holiday visa and if she gets it I might do the China one instead. I could do a working holiday in NZ too but for some reason it just doesn't really appeal to me.
For us it's definitely more of an experience thing and by no means do we have to do it. If I could work on my own stuff while "rotting" it wouldn't be so bad...I think. I'd prefer not to end up in a place like that though.
Anyway dudes, here's another giant post from me and thanks for the responses.
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shit man Im a Bangkok local. Sorry I didnt see this earlier I could have helped you out.
Who makes Preduce decks? Originally it was owned by a Thai guy Arthit but Simon (Pellaux) currently owns and operates it. I’ve watched him take it from a small skateshop sponsoring local skaters and now the most legit skateboard brand in Thailand.
The guy who presses boards is Jody of M.I.T. (made in Thailand) skateboards.
Theres some concrete spots.
DIY at On Nut/Phattanakarn intersection
https://instagram.com/p/BiPkDC6nGrW/
DIY at Ladprao 69
https://instagram.com/p/BhoZtOBHf8u/
I dont post here much anymore though.
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Vietnam - defs hit up Hanoi, I think I liked it better than Ho Chi Minh. I was in Hanoi last month and hit up https://pasteurstreet.com there were dudes skating downstairs too! Also Vietnam has tonnes of yummy/ cheap vegan eats!!!
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English teaching in Japan is ... (like porn) something you do while you're young to pay the bills/ fund your travelling, I defs wouldn't do it long term as it can get stale pretty quickly. Bear in mind I'm talking about working for English conversation schools here and not cushy jobs at big name universities. Japan, in most cases, doesn't really give a fuck if you have qualifications, as long as you "look" foreign (i.e. white) you'll pretty much be able to get a job. Will you be coming on a working holiday visa? You'll need some sort of working visa and if you don't have one then a company won't sponsor you unless you sign on for a year or so with them. Most of the bigger English teaching schools are kinda like sweat shops and while their conditions might seem okay on paper, the reality is often quite different.
JET Programme is the cushiest way to do it but while you might only "teach" 22 hours a week, you'll still be required to sit in the schools (and rot) from 9-5. The only hurdle with JET is that it's quite competitive (?) and you have to apply from within your own country/ outside of Japan. Jive probs has lots to say on this too so I'll leave stop here and then chime in a bit later.
Bailed on the idea of teaching English for now, still just an idea in the back of my head should it fall in my lap. Signed up for a TEFL course because dude told us it was an 80% chance of us getting cushy jobs in Japan (I'd originally e-mailed about China). He basically said he had a place that would hire us both in Japan and to email him at 50% completion of the course. So we did and he came back with, "Oh, they're not interested in your wife anymore. I don't know what happened". She's Austrian so, umm, guess it's because she's not a native English speaker? Good news is we got refunded and earned a TEFL certificate for free. I guess that's good news?
Bolted through Cambodia in just 8 days. I'm glad we did though because, while it was interesting, it wasn't a place I needed to spend much time in right now. Vietnam is dope! In Hanoi now but HCMC is my favorite, hands down. I'd easily go back and spend a full month there.
Headed to Chengdu for a month after here. Doesn't seem like there are any pals around these parts though :(
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Japan question:
I'm doing a grand tour of all of my company's Japanese clients' stores the first 2 weeks of August... starting from Tokyo and traveling south by train through Nagoya, Kyoto, Osaka, Kobe, Okayama, Kochi, and Fukuoka.
Is it worth it to bring a skateboard if I'll only have like an hour or so of free time most days. Do I need to travel far to find spots to skate, or is it acceptable to skate in downtown areas? I've been to Japan once before (without a skateboard) and I know that they are very strict with pollution and general respect of public areas but I also know that people skate in Japan, like it's not totally crazy to hope that I can squeeze some skating in. But if I need to travel to the outskirts of towns to do it, it maybe won't be worth it and I'll just hit the arcade instead.
Also, maybe it's just WAY too hot in August to expect to skate at all?
Anyone have any insights?
Thanks!
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will be okay if you're skating round at night but in the days (and especially on weekdays) it's going to be a bitch.
if you have some spots/ parks mapped out before you go, then it might be worth your while. Another option would be to hit up some regular (non skate) parks as they are usually a bit more spacious and not so packed during the day.
I skate in August but you better have a shit load of water with you. I'm sure other posters will chime in but let me know if you need some Fukuoka info...
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Thanks! Fukuoka is where my colleagues are from originally so I'm sure there I will have lots to do and will have even less time to skate; catching up with family/friends and whatnot.
I guess a more specific question would be: Can I skate through the streets of Shibuya (for example) at night without being tackled by cops and security or is that an impossibility?
Can a skateboard be used as a mode of transportation within the cities?... since I'm not really one to find a bench and skate it for hours.
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Thanks! Fukuoka is where my colleagues are from originally so I'm sure there I will have lots to do and will have even less time to skate; catching up with family/friends and whatnot.
I guess a more specific question would be: Can I skate through the streets of Shibuya (for example) at night without being tackled by cops and security or is that an impossibility?
Can a skateboard be used as a mode of transportation within the cities?... since I'm not really one to find a bench and skate it for hours.
You can definitely push around without hassle for the most post. Cops and security are pretty chill here.
They'll usually just make an X with their arms and ask you to leave.
I can understand the appeal of pushing around Shibuya and trying to skate but there are so many people in Shibuya all the time and there really aren't that many good spots in my opinion. So for me personally it's more hassle than it's worth.
If you want to just push around at night and have a chill sesh by yourself I'd recommend pushing around the Ginza/Kyobashi/Nihonbashi area. It's mostly fancy office buildings so there are less people and there are lots a office little spots you can find.
If you really want to be out in a lively area Shinjuku has better spots.
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